YT YouTube2Text

YouTube2Text → Transcripts → Secret Rendezvous Murder | Guadalupe Contreras Interrogation

Secret Rendezvous Murder | Guadalupe Contreras Interrogation — Transcript

by The Interrogator Files · 23,996 words · 3,696 segments · language en · Watch on YouTube

Open in transcriber Summarize with AI Download SRT/VTT

Full transcript

0:00Disclaimer. This video is for commentary
0:02and educational purposes only. All
0:04individuals are presumed innocent until
0:06proven guilty in a court of law.
0:08[snorts] Any footage used in this video
0:10is obtained through public records and
0:12falls under fair use for the purpose of
0:13reporting, analysis, and public
0:15interest.
0:16>> Look them in the eye. Look those cameras
0:19in the eye. Don't look like a guilty
0:21person hiding your face and trying to
0:23cover yourself.
0:24>> I'm not guilty, sir.
0:25>> That's what I mean. If you're not
0:26guilty, look him in the eye and tell
0:27them you're not guilty. On the night of
0:29August 2nd, 2017, 39-year-old Elizabeth
0:33Contrarus left her home in Basar County,
0:35[music] Texas, telling her family she
0:37was heading out briefly. She never came
0:39back. Days later, her vehicle was found
0:42abandoned [music] along Interstate 37,
0:44blood visible inside. Her belongings
0:46were scattered [music] across different
0:48locations and pieces of her phone had
0:50been destroyed. On August 8th, [music]
0:52her body was discovered in a wooded
0:54field on San Antonio's south side. An
0:56[music] autopsy determined that
0:58Elizabeth had been strangled to death.
1:00As investigators worked to reconstruct
1:02Elizabeth's final [music] hours, they
1:03began examining her communications, her
1:05movements, and the people she had been
1:07in contact with that night. One
1:09relationship quickly drew scrutiny,
1:11raising questions about what happened
1:12during a late night meeting that was
1:14never meant to be known. This is the
1:16interrogation of Guadalupe Contreras.
1:19I don't have all
1:22whatever you got there. That's fine.
1:25All right.
1:27All right. I'm Detective Espinosa. Um,
1:29again, this is just in regards to
1:31Elizabeth Contas. Um,
1:35what I'm going to do, I mean, you're not
1:36under arrest only, but I'm going to read
1:38your rights only because you were
1:39transported down here by police
1:40officers. You weren't handcuffed or
1:42anything like that, but once we're done,
1:43you're going to go home, but just we put
1:45you in those cars only because it's
1:47policy. Okay. But we
1:48>> Yeah, just like I was call
1:50[clears throat] the the officers.
1:51>> Yeah. Just to make sure we're good. I
1:53think I still have to read you your
1:53rights only because you came down but
1:55with a police officer. Okay.
1:56>> Okay.
1:57>> Um before you ask any questions, my duty
1:59as police officer to advise you of your
2:01rights and to warn you of the
2:03consequences of waving these rights. You
2:04have the right to remain silent. You
2:06don't have to make anything make a
2:08statement or written to anyone. Any
2:09statement that you make will be used in
2:11evidence against you in court along or
2:12at your trial. You have a right to have
2:15a lawyer present to advise you before
2:16and during any questioning by police
2:18officers or attorneys representing the
2:19state. You may have your own lawyer
2:21present. If you are unable to employ a
2:23lawyer, the court will appoint a lawyer
2:25for you free of charge now or at any
2:27other time. If you decide to talk with
2:30anyone, you can you can stop talking to
2:31him at any time you want. The above
2:33rights continue your rights which can't
2:34be urged by you at any stage
2:35proceedings. You understand the rights?
2:38>> Sure.
2:38>> Okay. [clears throat] I said we're just
2:40going to run down anytime and then and
2:43once we're done, you know, we'll take
2:45you back all.
2:46>> All right. Um
2:49I'm going to come back. Do you know
2:50where Elizabeth's at? No, sir.
2:52>> No.
2:52>> No.
2:53>> Okay. Um, when's the last time you heard
2:57from her or saw her?
2:58>> The last time I talked to uh Officer
3:01Durant,
3:02I think it was Durant. It was a missing
3:04person name. They told me to call uh I
3:06called I think it was Thursday night. I
3:09called.
3:10>> You called who?
3:11>> Uh, Officer Durant.
3:12>> No, I'm asking when's the last time you
3:13saw or or you
3:16was tell last time I saw her was Tuesday
3:19and this is like around 9:00. You saw
3:21her at Tuesday?
3:22>> Yeah. At 9:00.
3:23>> 9:00. What?
3:24>> That was at my work.
3:26>> Morning or night?
3:27>> No, it was nice, sir.
3:28>> Okay. Tuesday at night?
3:30>> Yes, sir.
3:32[clears throat]
3:32>> And you said you saw her at at your
3:34work?
3:35>> Yeah. Uh, she parked on the other side
3:36of the trees where right there on
3:38Broadway.
3:39>> Okay. So, you worked there at Broadway?
3:42>> Yes, sir.
3:42>> Is that the actual location where you
3:43>> Yes, sir.
3:45>> Okay. And that's at electric. Yeah.
3:49Electric.
3:51>> Is that near 410 or Okay.
3:53>> Yeah. I think it's like two block two or
3:56three blocks [clears throat and cough]
3:56away. It's like where um
3:59>> you can't miss it. It's right there
4:00where DBAT training is at.
4:03>> Is it outside Fortune or inside?
4:06>> No, it's uh it's not towards U.
4:10No, it's not going towards Hiller Brown.
4:12It's going outside.
4:13>> Okay.
4:13>> It's by the airport. By the airport.
4:15>> Okay.
4:16>> All right. So, she went by by 9:00. Yes,
4:18sir.
4:19>> Okay. Um, 9:00 9:05. I don't know.
4:22>> Did you talk to her before she Did you
4:24know she was going going up to your job?
4:27>> What job?
4:28>> You said you met her at your workplace,
4:30right?
4:30>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I talked to her
4:32before because we had to we have
4:33insurance together. Uh, the insurance I
4:36had before, I had it with me and my kids
4:38and and her through Park,
4:40>> right?
4:41>> Um, once I left for Park, the entrance
4:45kind of died out. So, I had no entrance.
4:47when I live return park and he get me
4:49into where my pay
4:50>> right the
4:51>> co and then um after I done with park
4:54you had no uh
4:57no um benefits or anything like that so
5:00I had to wait these 90 days of of uh
5:03electric so we were talking about the
5:05whole thing and then I got a
5:06>> what I got was electric sent me a
5:10>> a letter yeah like if I wanted to
5:12>> extend it yeah
5:13>> right
5:14>> so um
5:16>> so she was coming over discuss the
5:17insurance
5:18>> because something and this is the thing
5:21I just found out that my thing when I
5:23was married was her back uh when we got
5:26married.
5:26>> Well, you're still married, right? From
5:28what I understand.
5:28>> Yes, sir.
5:29>> Okay.
5:29>> Um she she had tumors in her head. She
5:32kept telling me that thing. But my thing
5:33is I never say the reports. I never
5:35>> Yeah, that's what I'm getting also. But
5:37Okay. I know.
5:38>> I I never got the the reports. And then
5:39when we talked to the sister, I wanted
5:42to confirm did she ever had any of that.
5:44So supposedly it's not none of that.
5:46Okay.
5:47>> Yeah. But I saw her Tuesday.
5:51>> What? How did she drive up there or
5:53>> Yeah, she drove in the SUV. It was I
5:55think uh Joe's SUV.
5:57>> Okay. Was she by herself or was she
5:59somewhere?
5:59>> She was by herself.
6:00>> Okay. So, she shows up at your workplace
6:03here on Broadway.
6:04>> Yes, sir.
6:05>> Sometime about 9:00.
6:06>> Yeah.
6:07>> Okay. And how long was she there?
6:10>> Uh it was only 30 minutes cuz I only had
6:1230 minutes.
6:13>> Okay.
6:14Um, did she say where she was going
6:16after that?
6:17>> Said she was going to home.
6:20>> Okay. Do you know where she was coming
6:21from?
6:22>> She was coming from home.
6:23>> She was coming from home.
6:24>> Yeah. And then uh she was going to go
6:26home, but then she ended up going
6:28detouring.
6:51and um something about the teacher or
6:54something like that. So
6:57>> I know
6:57>> was that that's where she was going
6:59after she left you or before she got
7:00there?
7:01>> No. No, just after she was going to go.
7:03>> She said she wasn't.
7:04>> Yeah. And then um
7:10And then she started uh saying that her
7:14dad I had the conversation that her dad
7:16was questioning how can she have to work
7:18every night or something like that. And
7:20then Elizabeth got mad and I know she
7:23she told Joe that why you saying that
7:26and all this and go
7:29to work every night and all that. I was
7:30like okay
7:31>> okay. So that was the that that was the
7:35whole conversation on that thing. I was
7:37like, "All right."
7:38Uh the last time I spoke to her was
7:42was it Wednesday? Wednesday 11:00 when I
7:45was on my route.
7:46>> Okay.
7:46>> And that was the last time.
7:48>> So she called you again?
7:50>> No, it was Thursday. No, the thing is me
7:52me and her always talked.
7:53>> Okay.
7:54>> We always kept in communication with
7:56each other,
7:57>> right? And uh
8:00just the only thing
8:02we didn't
8:04tell anybody because they were it will
8:07go back.
8:07>> Well, I understand that part. So
8:10Tuesday, I guess you spoke to her before
8:13she came over to see you.
8:15>> Yeah, we always spoke as each other. But
8:17on Tuesday, you actually spoke to her on
8:18the phone before she went to go see
8:22>> how many times did you talk to her that
8:24day before she actually went over to
8:26>> to your job at
8:28>> No, no, it's not uh since I'm in sight,
8:32I could have my headsets so I would talk
8:34to work at the same time.
8:36>> All right, got you. So you're able to
8:38carry on a conversation as you're
8:39working.
8:40>> Yeah, I just have to have one earpiece
8:42[clears throat] off and all that. So
8:43yeah,
8:43>> we would talk and then when I have
8:46>> time it was slow down and everything. I
8:48had to go pull 129. Uh I would talk to
8:51her and how her day and all that. And
8:54>> then um I would hear Emma in the
8:56background and it just I was there and I
8:59was listening to everything.
9:00>> Okay.
9:01>> But when we were on the route, I
9:03couldn't be on the phone. She would stay
9:05on my headsets, but I couldn't have it
9:07because we have cameras and we get
9:10fired.
9:10>> Okay.
9:11So, it was one of those, uh, okay, I'll
9:14see you later and I'll talk to you when
9:15I get to my destination.
9:17>> Okay.
9:17>> And once I got to my destination, I put
9:18my headsets on
9:19>> and talk to her
9:20>> and talk to her. And then once I I
9:21unload it there, I go, "Okay, I'll talk
9:23to you when I get to another
9:24destination." So, it was one of those.
9:26>> Okay. So,
9:28she I guess let's go back to 9:00. I
9:30guess she says, "Hey, I'm going to go."
9:32Why would she go in person to go see
9:34him? Uh,
9:35>> she want to talk, get out of the house.
9:38>> Okay.
9:38>> She was frustrated. I know. Um,
9:41she's been talking about moving out
9:42because she had a problem with the
9:44incident with the family that she lives
9:46with. Um,
9:47>> she has a problem with Joe.
9:48>> No, not not with Joe. It's Joe's family,
9:50like the mom and all that.
9:51>> Oh, Joe's not so much Joe himself.
9:53>> Yeah, it was not so much Joe. I mean
9:55they they had arguments and beats and
9:56all that but it was a regular
9:59>> Yeah. It was like uh they'll tell you
10:01you know they'll get into it or
10:03something. The thing is like after she
10:07Yeah. I just found out about the tumor
10:09was lies and all that. She had told me
10:12that Joe had raised her hands on her
10:15>> and like but did he hit you? He goes no
10:17he he looked like he wanted to hit me
10:18and I was like okay why you living in
10:20that condition? And then Joe's brother
10:22is associated with some
10:29associate with things. And I told I go
10:32eight.
10:38>> Who's Joe's brother?
10:39>> His name is Robert Mos. Okay. Why would
10:43you know he's
10:48Okay.
10:53cuz she knows that she's been with that
10:54whole family for 15 years. Oh, well then
10:57I guess maybe 15 years and then
11:01>> so she Yeah, we would talk have a
11:04conversation. She would tell me about
11:05her families and this problems and then
11:07I would tell her about my problem, you
11:08know,
11:09>> so Tuesday is the last time you saw her.
11:13>> Yes, her
11:13>> and then when was the last time you
11:15spoke to her by phone?
11:17>> It was uh No, it was Wednesday. At 11:00
11:2011:00 11:05
11:22>> Wednesday.
11:23>> Yes, sir.
11:26>> At night or
11:27>> Yeah, it was at night. I only work at
11:29night, sir.
11:30>> Okay. What number did she call you from?
11:32>> Uh 612
11:35uh
11:35>> the 612 number.
11:36>> Yes, sir.
11:38>> Okay. She called your phone.
11:40>> Yeah. Just time on county. I think we'll
11:42keep on going off and on.
11:44>> Okay. And enter your phone over there.
11:46840. Yes, sir.
11:47>> 365.
11:50Do you have it on your phone where she
11:51actually called you?
11:52>> No, we would delete our things.
11:54>> So, you keep it away from
11:55>> Yeah, because she would go through my
11:57phone and and
12:00it just it was a major mayhem when we me
12:02and her got married. Her family did not
12:04approve and
12:06>> she got um her dad doesn't even talk to
12:09her. So, it it was one of those big old
12:11things. I got not so much my family got
12:14in, but I got like airful from her
12:16family and then she earful.
12:19>> Um, you said you have a route. So, I
12:22mean, you deliver late at night.
12:24>> Yes, sir.
12:25>> Where's your route at?
12:26>> Um, my route is Pleasanton, Texas.
12:29>> What do you deliver that? It's so late
12:30at night. You're
12:31>> Oh, uh, we pull like items for little
12:34stores. Ours is like a warehouse.
12:36>> Okay.
12:36>> So, we get like, um, Pleasanton, we call
12:40it 88. We pull whatever items. We have
12:42like these sheets
12:44>> and uh it gives us the the part numbers
12:46and all that. No, the all the parts that
12:48they need that store. So I will going
12:50pull all theirs and then wrap it up
12:52>> and then uh I will take 119 too.
12:56>> 119 will be uh uh county Texas.
12:59>> County Texas.
13:00>> No, Kenny.
13:01>> Kenny. Okay.
13:01>> Yeah. So I will go 37 all the way till
13:04you exit Pleasant. then Pleasanton all
13:07the way to 97
13:09uh to carry to 181 to carry and then 181
13:12back out home back home.
13:14>> What time do you usually go in
13:16>> me?
13:16>> What time your shift start?
13:18>> Uh it's like Sundays 3:00 and then
13:20during like uh like this this month like
13:23at the end of the month the inventory we
13:25would have to go in at 3:00.
13:26>> What about when? Tuesday. What time did
13:28you go in?
13:29>> 4:30.
13:29>> You went at 4:30 in the afternoon? Oh,
13:31>> it was 4:00. Wait. Was that the the
13:35first?
13:36>> I believe so. Or the second
13:44>> Tuesday was the first.
13:45>> Okay. I was supposed to go in at 3:00.
13:47>> What time did you go in?
13:48>> Uh, I clocked in like around 3:53.
13:50>> Okay. So, you went in about almost an
13:52hour late.
13:53>> Yeah. My boss was all like, "Dude, I
13:55like you brand new or something." I
13:56like, boss.
13:58>> How many hours do you work? What time do
14:00you get out? Uh, I can get out on my
14:03time sheet. I have printed out the time
14:05sheet. It says at 12:20.
14:07>> 12:20.
14:07>> Yes, sir.
14:11>> That's something I should have got from
14:12the car. I have it printed out.
14:14>> Okay.
14:16>> Um, do when you go on your routes, do
14:18you go with another driver or helper or
14:19you go by yourself?
14:20>> No, it's all by yourself, sir.
14:22>> We have like uh Everybody has different
14:24routes. Everybody goes to like Ualdi,
14:27Cur uh Kurville, they go to San Marcus,
14:30New Bronzeville.
14:31>> Okay.
14:32>> You know, Pier
14:34>> some some companies allow to have
14:36helpers and they just that way the
14:37rout's a lot quicker. So Oh, no.
14:39>> So you're by yourself?
14:40>> Yes, sir.
14:40>> Okay. What kind of vehicle do you What
14:42kind
14:43>> uh my uh It depends. We have a 550 and a
14:48750 ton.
14:49>> Okay. So these kind of box trucks type
14:52not not like a big old 18 semi. No, no,
14:54no.
14:55>> Something like a delivery truck.
14:57>> Okay. So, your rout's in Pleasanton. So,
15:00it's pretty much down in South Texas or
15:02south of
15:03>> Yeah, Pleasanton County. Cuz the mom
15:05asked me, "Well, you might want to call
15:07her my mother-in-law." She asked, "What
15:09[laughter] do you like?"
15:10>> And I go, "I deliver in Pleasant." Go,
15:12"Oh, right there by military." Nobody
15:14like Pleasant, Texas.
15:16>> Yeah.
15:20And what we're doing, you know, we're
15:21talking to everybody and and we're
15:23trying to eliminate everybody that's
15:26maybe had something to do with her
15:28disappearance.
15:29>> And what we do is also provide we can do
15:32we do a polygraph exam.
15:34>> Um, and it's real quick and then once
15:37you take it, you know, you pass and
15:39eliminates you right off the bat. We can
15:41just move on to the next thing. Cuz my
15:43understanding, you know, Elizabeth had a
15:45lot of things going on. So, you know, we
15:48don't know exactly what happened or
15:50where she's at or stuff like that. So,
15:52we're treating as a missing person. So,
15:54it right now you're admitting you saw
15:56her at 9:00 p.m. that Tuesday.
15:58>> Yes, sir.
15:58>> So, uh technically now you're the last
16:01person to see her.
16:02>> I was the last person to see her
16:04>> cuz no one to have seen her has seen her
16:06since then.
16:07>> No, Joel saw her.
16:09>> Well, Joel told us something different.
16:11I can't tell you what he told us. I can
16:12just tell you what I just what I know.
16:14>> No, I was on the phone.
16:15>> Okay. because her mom when the mom said
16:18that they were when she came and knocked
16:20on my door,
16:21>> she said Elizabeth hasn't been seen
16:22since 8:00.
16:23>> Mhm.
16:24>> Elizabeth didn't leave the house until
16:2610:00.
16:28>> How do you know she left the
16:31midnight 11:00 when we hanged up the
16:33phone? That was the thing that I got to
16:34let you go because it is raining. It was
16:36a day it was raining all that
16:38>> and I go, "AJ, just be careful. Just
16:39give me a call back later."
16:41>> Okay. And then that night, and that's
16:43why I screenshotted
16:45that night, she sent a a private
16:48messenger through my messenger.
16:51>> Uhhuh.
16:51>> And I I didn't read it until the
16:53following day.
16:54>> You have it?
16:55>> Yep.
17:02Uh screen the screenshot or the
17:05original.
17:06>> What? Whatever you have that's that says
17:08you got a message from her.
17:16Let me see.
17:20>> What am I looking at?
17:21>> Elizabeth Sierra. Uh, normally the blue
17:24is regular conversation. I suppose the
17:27excuse me, the black is a secret
17:29conversation.
17:30>> Okay. So, how do you get what was the
17:32secret conversation saying?
17:34>> It didn't say nothing.
17:35>> Says one device removed from secret. Why
17:38would I say one device moved?
17:40>> I don't know, sir.
17:43>> And I don't have Facebook, so I don't
17:45know what that is.
17:45>> No, I know. And I And I told uh officer
17:48uh Duran uh the person that called me,
17:51>> I told her, I go and I even told the
17:52sister, I go, "When they send it, it was
17:54blank. They had nothing." And I still
17:57haven't deleted it. No.
18:09Are you able to go in there?
18:10>> Yeah. And is you see
18:13when I open it up was Thursday at 5:45,
18:17but she sent me a blank thing.
18:20>> Okay.
18:22All right.
18:22>> And then the the text I got, I had it at
18:2512:33
18:26>> and then I had uh and then uh on another
18:28one that screenshot, it say Thursday.
18:30>> Right. Okay. Well, back to the
18:32polygraph. We we offer that. We we like
18:34to give you the polygraph exam and it'll
18:38ask some questions and then once we're
18:40done um we're done and and that just
18:43helps to prove that you're not involved
18:45in this. Absolutely.
18:47>> So, um we can do that right now.
18:50>> Okay. I don't care. It don't matter to
18:51me.
18:52>> Okay. Another thing also your phone
18:54saying that you were communicating with
18:55there. Um, I would need consent to
18:57actually go through your phone so we can
18:59download all that to cooperate your
19:00story. Okay. Would you give us consent
19:03to go? I can get somebody here hopefully
19:05here soon. We can download it maybe
19:07today. If not, the earliest tomorrow.
19:10Okay.
19:10>> So, I would need your consent to do
19:11that.
19:12>> Okay.
19:13>> Okay. So, we'll do that. Um, let me talk
19:15to the detective that does the polygraph
19:18exams and we'll go from there.
19:20>> Okay. Um, can you go to the restroom
19:22like that? You good? No, it's just a
19:25polygon. It's not really accurate. So,
19:27>> yeah, that's true. But it's also
19:29benefits a lot of people.
19:30>> I know.
19:31>> Okay.
19:31>> Okay, sir.
19:32>> All right. Thanks.
19:40All right, I have uh someone that can
19:43download your form and then once we're
19:45done with it, I'll give it back to you.
19:46They're going to come do it. Right now,
19:48this is just a form gives us consent.
19:50Okay. What we're going to do is just
19:51just download all the information. So we
19:54can cooperate your stuff because you say
19:55you erase stuff and keep it away from
19:57Alice, right? So we just need that
19:58information to cooperate everything.
20:00>> Okay.
20:01>> Okay. Um what kind of cell phone is
20:02that?
20:03>> It's a Samsung
20:06wait. No, an LG uh is Sorry, it's an LG
20:11side.
20:12>> Okay. Uh
20:15and the telephone number is again I
20:16don't have your information.
20:17>> Uh 840.
20:19>> Mhm.
20:20>> 40. Wait. Oh, sorry. 3645.
20:24I don't call myself a love.
20:25>> Neither do I.
20:26>> I know. All right.
20:28>> All right. Um,
20:32so just read that and it's just asking
20:35we we put a lot of verbage in here just
20:37to cover. But what we're looking for is
20:38just extracting information so we can
20:40cooperate. Sure. Again, because you say
20:42you delete a lot of the stuff to keep it
20:43from Alice. So,
20:44>> um, it it's going to be there. So, we
20:47just need that information.
20:48>> All right.
20:48>> Okay.
20:50>> Let me ask you something to say. You
20:52left. I was kind of puzzled. You mean
20:54the You said Joe didn't see her.
20:58>> Well, I can't tell you what he told me.
21:00>> Oh, no. It just It's kind of
21:02>> Everybody's got different stories of
21:03when they last saw somebody in any case.
21:05So, we just got to piece it all
21:06together.
21:07>> Yeah. My thing is this. How can last
21:09year they live together?
21:11>> You got me. You know, you got me.
21:13>> So, it just You want to read that sign
21:16and date and then initial and date.
21:18>> Okay. [snorts] I could take it off too.
21:21Take it off.
21:22>> Perfect.
21:23>> Take it off.
21:25>> I guess. Yeah, you can have
21:26>> this one. You could double tap. You
21:28double tap and then you put 1952 like
21:30this
21:31and then just Okay. And it opens up the
21:33whole thing.
21:34>> Sounds good. All right. Thank you. Um,
21:38your route that you took, what time did
21:40you start your route? What time did you
21:41end it?
21:42>> Uh, that night on Tuesday.
21:47I think it was like 12:00 on my paper
21:50the t on the paper it says 12:20
21:52>> but what time do you leave
21:55>> I do I do the manifest and on my
21:57manifest like 8:35
21:59>> okay
22:00>> so by the time I got to the truck and do
22:01the check run I'm assuming like 8:45 or
22:04that
22:05>> okay
22:06>> so
22:07>> okay
22:08>> dad do her
22:09>> okay
22:10>> and the same thing with the time sheet I
22:12had printed out the time sheet just in
22:14case and that day I was going to uh the
22:16boss called a man out all this econom
22:18all this you know
22:19>> is any is is their office working on it
22:21is anybody there does anyone work on the
22:22weekends
22:23>> no sir
22:23>> okay just on Monday through Friday
22:25>> they uh they work yeah it's Monday
22:26through Fridays but like we'll go in
22:28from Sunday or Thursdays but we're the
22:31like the wave crew that go deliver that
22:33you know and I know but Monday through
22:34Fridays they're there
22:36>> okay so if you had to go in tomorrow
22:38what time do you go in tomorrow
22:39>> tomorrow Sunday it's 3:00
22:41>> in the afternoon yes sir
22:42>> okay all right be right back okay sir
22:48Oh, is this the guy? Yes, sir. Hey, I'm
22:50Detective Angel.
22:50>> Hey, sir. How you doing, sir?
22:51>> Come with me. I'm going to give you a
22:52polygraph test. Bring a drink.
22:54>> Am I getting a snack?
22:56>> Absolutely.
23:02>> All right.
23:04All right. With Detective Angel,
23:06>> you didn't pass.
23:07>> I know. He told me that.
23:08>> All right. So, we need to know where
23:11she's at. I know you know where she's
23:12at.
23:13>> Okay. But I'm telling you,
23:14>> well, listen. Listen to what I have to
23:15Okay, understand this. Think about her
23:17daughter. Okay,
23:18>> I do.
23:19>> Okay, and also think about the fact that
23:21if we do find her and you don't help us
23:23out, look how bad cuz if it finds out I
23:26know she didn't meet you at your work. I
23:29know that for a fact.
23:31>> We meet you at my work.
23:33>> I know she didn't meet you Tuesday at
23:35your job site. At your job on Broadway.
23:38>> Oh, no. I didn't.
23:39>> No.
23:40>> Yeah, because I have cameos on that. I
23:41did.
23:43>> Okay. She was not up there.
23:46>> That she was her.
23:47>> Okay,
23:47>> I'm telling you truly it was.
23:49>> Okay, listen to me. Where is she at?
23:51Just I'm not saying you did anything to
23:54her. Just take us to her.
23:55>> No, I don't know where she's at. That's
23:56the thing. And then right now you're
23:58telling me that she didn't show up on my
23:59job and she did show up on my job.
24:02>> Where's she at right now?
24:03>> I don't know, sir. I don't know.
24:08The thing that irritated me is like I I
24:10was asking these questions and I'm
24:12telling
24:12>> Well, it doesn't matter. You failed the
24:13test. You can't go back and argue about
24:15these questions.
24:15>> No, no, I understand. I understand that.
24:17But I did tell you that she was there
24:19Tuesday. She did show up on my job
24:21Tuesday cuz I didn't go no route.
24:25>> No, you did. You just told me you
24:26started your route.
24:27>> Sir, I didn't on Tuesday. I didn't leave
24:30the warehouse. I stayed.
24:31>> No, you told me your route started.
24:33>> Sir, I could go to Manifest.
24:35>> Mhm.
24:36>> You said your route started and you came
24:38back about just after midnight.
24:40>> No, sir.
24:40>> Yes, you did.
24:41>> That was Wednesday, sir. No sir, we
24:42didn't we weren't talking about
24:44Wednesday.
24:44>> No, that was Wednesday on my thing.
24:46Tuesday I did see her and my
24:49>> We weren't talking about Wednesday when
24:50we talked about the route.
24:52>> No, I but I swear I have everything.
24:53>> Okay,
24:54>> I'm telling you what you told me earlier
24:56and I know what you said and we were
24:57talking about Tuesday. We never
24:59mentioned Wednesday. We never
25:01>> Tuesday. Tuesday at this year and you
25:03said what time did you you see her? I go
25:05she met me at my work.
25:06>> Okay. But but I told you also what time
25:08did you start your route on Tuesday and
25:09you said about 8:53. You didn't get
25:12back. I had I even had the manifest
25:14>> of what time I left. And on all the
25:16manifest they have in the computers, it
25:18shows you when he loses out and when
25:19you're going on delivery.
25:20>> Okay.
25:21>> So, I I do that. I have that.
25:23>> Okay. So, that means you went on a
25:25route, right?
25:26>> I didn't go on a route until Wednesday
25:27or Thursday, sir.
25:30>> But you told me you went on a route.
25:32>> No, Tuesday. I didn't. I stayed in the
25:34shop. Monday and Tuesday, I stay in the
25:36shop. Sunday, I think it was Sunday. But
25:40I do have prints out when I went to the
25:42rap, sir.
25:43>> But you told me Tuesday you were out on
25:45a route.
25:45>> No, it wasn't. I told her Tuesday she
25:47wouldn't go meet me at my job cuz I just
25:49got yelled at for that.
25:51>> Mhm.
25:52>> Because she met me
25:55and it was Tuesday. Wednesday.
25:58That's when I went on my route and it
26:00was the day it was raining. That's what
26:02I was telling you.
26:05Okay. But it doesn't reflect that. You
26:07mean you you fail these questions. They
26:09were just real simple questions. Do you
26:11know where she's at and you felt that?
26:13>> No, I know. But it was the same thing.
26:16It was just asking me.
26:17>> Yes. So, where is she?
26:19>> I don't know, sir. I'm telling you.
26:22I'm looking clearly at there. I do not
26:24know.
26:26>> We're not asking if you heard it. We
26:27just want to know what she said.
26:28>> No, but I'm asking you. And I'm telling
26:30you, I don't know.
26:32>> You know, sir, you know. You felt You
26:34felt that.
26:35>> Okay. If I if I knew that I would have
26:38told you a long time ago.
26:39>> Well, I don't know that. That was the
26:40first time I ever mentioned.
26:41>> I I know, but why would I want that
26:43grief?
26:44>> H
26:44>> Why would I want to go through that
26:46thing that just Let's do that. Let's
26:50>> Okay, but I'm telling you, how would I
26:51how would I know?
26:55>> Where's she at?
26:56>> I'm telling you, I do not know, sir.
27:00>> So, everything you told me now is you
27:02stay home. You stayed at work on
27:04Tuesday. You Have you never left that
27:06facility?
27:06>> No. No sir.
27:08>> Never.
27:08>> No.
27:10>> I didn't go on the deliveries. I even
27:12have it on the computers. I didn't go on
27:14deliveries.
27:15>> Okay.
27:16>> Cuz every time you have to go on a
27:17delivery, you have to sign off to the
27:18truck. You have to sign off where you
27:20going. And it programs their thing when
27:22you took off.
27:24>> And what about did you ever take off for
27:26any time for lunch?
27:28>> It was just I just to meet up at the
27:30entrance. That's what I was telling you.
27:32>> So where'd you meet her
27:33>> by my way? She picked me up. Well, you
27:35stayed right there and she was in the
27:38SUV.
27:39So, why would I meet her in the SUV
27:41[clears throat]
27:41if I was on the route? If I had my own
27:43truck, I don't know. That's what we need
27:46to find out.
27:46>> Okay. But that's what I'm asking. That's
27:48what I'm telling you.
27:50>> But everything indicates that you know
27:51where she's at. And I don't believe the
27:53fact that you were not on your route. I
27:55mean, how how do I know that?
27:57>> Because it's all computer on my team at
28:00my work.
28:04Even the I even printed out the time
28:06thing.
28:07>> Do you always print it out?
28:08>> No, this is the first time I print it
28:10out.
28:10>> Why would you print it out for
28:11>> I told my boss I got to go and talk to
28:12the popos. He go, "Dude, the only thing
28:15just do your thing." Cuz I had to tell
28:16him.
28:18>> So when did you have to go talk to the
28:21police? When did you make that comment
28:22to your boss?
28:23>> Oh, that later on when Alex told me that
28:25I need to talk to Officer Durant.
28:28>> Later on what night?
28:29>> Uh, it was at night. It was Thursday
28:30night.
28:31>> Thursday night. Yes, sir.
28:32>> So, you decide to take a
28:35print it out or what?
28:37>> Yeah, I print it out, sir.
28:40>> Do you always do that anyway?
28:42>> No, I just want to need to for other
28:44reasons.
28:45But this this is the only thing I have
28:47to print it out.
28:48>> Okay. Well, right now you just said that
28:51she she came by and she picked you up.
28:52So, where'd y'all go?
28:54>> Just around the block. That's it.
28:56>> Where's around the block? Uh,
28:57>> around the block. Uh, it's the next
29:00street over. That's it.
29:01>> From your workplace?
29:02>> Yes, sir.
29:03>> So, I didn't stay on the property.
29:05>> No. And then we came back and we were in
29:07front of the the the trees and then she
29:09I saw her take off.
29:11But I didn't go nowhere.
29:14I honestly thought you were talking
29:15about a Wednesday. A Wednesday I did.
29:17>> No, sir. I I think I was clear about
29:19what days we're talking about.
29:20>> No, but I'm clear.
29:22>> No, I'm clear what day I was talking
29:23about.
29:23>> No, but I'm clear to I know where I was
29:26at.
29:27>> Well, I don't know if you're clear.
29:28That's what we're trying to get because
29:29now you're back and forth. Earlier when
29:31our conversation started, you told me,
29:33"Yeah, you know, you said, "Hey, she
29:35came by about 9:30 and then yeah, I went
29:36on my route and then I was heading
29:38back."
29:38>> I didn't go on my route. There's no way
29:40that you can make two routes.
29:41>> And then before you actually left this
29:43room to go do the polygon exam, I asked
29:45her, "Hey, what time did you do your
29:46route on Tuesday? What time did you
29:47start? What time you end?"
29:48>> It was like 8:35 that was programmed it.
29:50>> Mhm.
29:51>> And it didn't end. And on my on the time
29:53clock, it said 12 uh 12:20. I clocked
29:56out.
29:57>> Yeah. So that's the time you ended your
29:59route, right?
30:00>> Yeah, that was Wednesday. But there's no
30:01way.
30:01>> No, we're not talking about Wednesday.
30:03And I asked you about Tuesday. I never
30:05Okay, but I just explained to you on
30:06Tuesday I was in house.
30:08>> Okay. So where's how do I prove that you
30:11were there?
30:12>> The computers, the printouts. That's all
30:14I have.
30:15>> So why didn't you print those out when
30:16you said you going to call?
30:17>> I can't. No, I couldn't print out the
30:19other thing. But my time sheet, I did
30:22print it out.
30:23>> Okay.
30:24>> And then on my phone even has it. I took
30:27a a screenshot of it.
30:29>> Why would you take a screenshot of that?
30:30Do you always You always take a
30:31screenshot?
30:31>> No. When I found out about the the whole
30:33thing, I was coming to the department.
30:35>> When were you coming down here?
30:37>> Because I I thought we were supposed to
30:38come over here.
30:40>> Okay. I I had to go look for you. Did
30:43you know I was looking into it?
30:44>> No, it was obvious I didn't even know
30:46you existed. It was only the Officer
30:48Durant. Nobody else would tell me.
30:51>> Okay. So,
30:53I mean, obviously they were looking for
30:55Elizabeth. I mean, Alice was talking to
30:57the family, wasn't she? She could have
30:58known who they were talking to. Did you
31:00even ask Alice?
31:01>> Uh, she'll tell me off and on about the
31:03whole [ __ ] and about that. We even
31:05called about knowing about the the
31:07tumors and all that and then I was told
31:09a lie.
31:10>> Well, I'm not talking about the tumors.
31:11I'm asking you if I was also concerned
31:14about Elizabeth, would you have asked,
31:15"Hey, where do we need to go?" Did they
31:17say who we had to go talk to? Did you
31:19even ask her that?
31:20>> What do you mean? Where do we have to
31:21go?
31:21>> You said you wanted to come down and
31:22talk to us.
31:23>> Oh, yeah. She gave me the number and we
31:25called him as soon as we're leaving to I
31:27was driving home and he he goes, "Hey,
31:30uh, Luke wants to go meet me cuz he
31:32already you're printed out." He goes,
31:33"No, y'all can't come over here because
31:34we're on the third floor." He goes,
31:36"Okay, where?" He just got off of work.
31:38We're on the way home. He goes, "Okay,
31:40just call us when you get home."
31:43>> And I did.
31:44>> Now, who would you call? Cuz you didn't
31:45call me.
31:47>> Durant.
31:47>> Okay. Durant's not a detective here,
31:49sir.
31:49>> Okay. I am.
31:50>> I'm the missing person. I'm telling you.
31:51>> Okay. Well, I I I've been involved in
31:54this case since Thursday. Okay. So, they
31:57know my the point of contact is me.
31:59>> So, you never reached out to me.
32:00>> No, no, no.
32:01>> So, I don't know if you actually lying
32:03about that or not.
32:04>> No, it's on my call log. I called the
32:06270.
32:08>> Okay.
32:09>> I mean 207.
32:11>> Okay.
32:14But again, I'm I'm you're going back and
32:17forth on Tuesday and Wednesday, and you
32:18told me initially you went on a route on
32:20Tuesday, and now you're saying you
32:21didn't. I
32:22>> You know what, sir? I approve, man.
32:24>> Okay.
32:25>> I approved through my paper.
32:26>> So, why would you say you went on a ride
32:27on Tuesday, and now you're saying you
32:28didn't?
32:28>> I thought I was We were talking about
32:30Wednesday.
32:30>> I I've never talked about Wednesday.
32:32>> Okay. But I was telling you Wednesday
32:34>> and I told you Yeah. And we stayed on
32:36Wednesday because that's one of the the
32:38last times you saw her cuz you're one of
32:39the last people who saw her.
32:41>> You just said Wednesday. No, I said you
32:43were talking about Tuesday.
32:44>> No, you said you just said right now you
32:46stayed on Wednesday.
32:47>> See, you stayed on Wednesday. We're
32:48talking about Tuesday.
32:49>> No, right now you just said I stayed on
32:51Wednesday.
32:52>> No.
32:52>> Yes, you did.
32:53>> I said, "Hey, you're one of the last
32:55people to see her on Tuesday." Okay. And
32:59on that day, you told me you went on
33:00your route, too.
33:01>> Uh-huh.
33:02>> And now you're saying you didn't go on
33:03the route.
33:03>> I didn't go on the route.
33:04>> You told me that in the beginning of our
33:06conversation.
33:06>> I even have my boss and everybody to to
33:09on my alibi. I was stuck. I was being
33:11made fun of because I was grounded.
33:14>> Why would you be grounded?
33:16>> Because when normally when you don't go
33:17on the on the on the pill is because
33:19you're grounded. That's what they call
33:21it.
33:22>> And they start, you know, making jokes
33:23about you cuz you're grounded.
33:26>> Okay. So, if you say you didn't go and
33:28then you went off site and you're with
33:30Elizabeth, how long were you away from
33:32your job site?
33:33>> Uh, 30 minutes.
33:34>> Exactly 30 minutes.
33:35>> Yes, sir.
33:36>> And she showed up about what time? I'm
33:38telling you like on 9 9:05 between there
33:41it had to be over 9.
33:43>> And where did y'all go and where did
33:44y'all park?
33:45>> It was around the thing and it was like
33:47a bend. That's it. We parked and we were
33:50just talking about sit cuz I wanted her
33:52away cuz in case if anybody showed up. I
33:55didn't want to get yelled at or
33:56anything. She didn't want to get yelled
33:58at either because of Joe.
33:59[clears throat]
34:01But when you see the thing that's funny
34:03is that you told me I was the last
34:04person to see her but yet she lives with
34:06this little guy. Okay.
34:09So, how do we know it's only 30 minutes?
34:12>> Uh, check.
34:13>> I mean, how do I know it's only?
34:15>> Cuz they take it off the time card.
34:17>> It's 30 minutes. I So, you're only a
34:19liable.
34:20>> So, you actually clocked out for lunch
34:22or clock out. We only take 30 minutes or
34:25at the warehouse.
34:28>> So, you kind of left on your lunch
34:30break. You're saying?
34:31>> Yes, sir.
34:33That's what I don't get. I'm telling you
34:35that I I I was there at the warehouse
34:38Tuesday.
34:43>> So, how do I get those records now?
34:45>> I can bring them out.
34:47>> You can go to your job right now.
34:48>> No, not right now.
34:50>> But who's your supervisor?
34:51>> Uh Martin right now.
34:53>> And that's during the day or at night?
34:54>> At night. He's away from my boss.
34:56>> Okay. And what when is he there?
34:58>> He'll be there tomorrow.
34:59>> At what time?
35:01>> Uh at 3:00. I go in at 3:00. But what
35:03time is he there?
35:05>> Normally he'll get there like on 2:30,
35:072:45. Depends on him.
35:14>> So why would you fill the polygraph
35:15exam?
35:16>> I don't know, sir. I never done that. It
35:19>> Nobody does it every day.
35:21>> I know, but I don't I don't
35:22>> It doesn't matter. If you weren't
35:25If you were telling the truth, you would
35:27you would pass it. Okay.
35:29>> Wait. First, he is telling me that I
35:30need to lie because he has to do the
35:33whole thing.
35:33>> Well, it doesn't matter. That's a way to
35:35kind of gauge something. He knows when
35:36you're lying. But the way he he said he
35:38asked you certain questions, he need to
35:40lie to this question.
35:42>> Okay. But I know he did that, but the
35:43three question he asked at the very end,
35:46they were all lies.
35:48>> I I don't know what questions he asked
35:49then. He just told me to fail. But the
35:50way it works, sir, is if you actually
35:52tell him the truth, you would pass.
35:54>> No.
35:55>> And but you didn't. But the last three
35:57questions I
35:58>> You understand you didn't pass?
35:59>> No, I did understand, sir.
36:00>> Okay. So, it's irrelevant. If you
36:02believe that you're telling me the truth
36:03that you have nothing to do with her,
36:05then you would pass. You would have
36:07passed.
36:08>> But I'm telling you.
36:09>> Okay. Well, what you're telling me and
36:11what now we have on on paper and
36:13something to record is totally two
36:14different things. Okay? You can tell me
36:17to your bloom of face that you didn't
36:18have anything to do with it. But that
36:20machine is very accurate when it comes
36:23to knowing that someone lies is to
36:25certain questions. In this case, you lie
36:26to those questions. Okay. And he asks
36:29you specifically
36:31questions. Where is she at? You lied on
36:33that. Do you know where she's at? You
36:35lied to that.
36:36>> Okay. Yeah. You did you didn't pass on
36:39the thing. On the thing he said even
36:41too, have you ever told lie on the
36:43thing? I had to say I had to lie to
36:45that.
36:46>> And he explains you how that works.
36:48>> Yeah. But I did it at the same time. So
36:50if you're telling me the truth, then you
36:52would have passed.
36:53>> No, but the last three questions,
36:55>> Lup, what I'm telling you, if you are
36:57telling me the truth, then you would
36:59have passed.
37:00>> Okay. But I'm telling the truth.
37:01>> Okay. And what you're telling me now is
37:04nothing. You can tell me to your blue in
37:05the face that that you're telling me the
37:07truth, but the machine doesn't lie. You
37:09didn't pass. You did not pass.
37:14>> If I knew anything, if I knew this,
37:16>> and that's what we're getting at. But
37:18because you didn't pass that machine so
37:20we know that you know where she's at.
37:21>> Okay. But I'm telling you if I was if I
37:24was y'all think I was lying. Why would I
37:26do this?
37:26>> Because you know what? Some people would
37:28think I'll take it. That way they know
37:31people.
37:32>> It doesn't matter. We're experienced. We
37:33know what people are trying to do
37:35everything. They want to cooperate to
37:37the fullest thinking, "Hey, let them get
37:39off the radar. I'll pass this. If I pass
37:41it, good. I'm on my way." Okay. And I'm
37:44thinking that's probably what you did.
37:45All right. Like I said, you can tell me
37:47to your blue face that you didn't do
37:48anything. But when that machine scores
37:49it that way, you did not pass.
37:51Especially those questions that he asked
37:53you. But sir,
37:55>> but I'm telling you, you did not pass.
37:57We need to know where she's at. Okay.
37:59>> Okay. I don't know. I'm telling you.
38:00>> I'm telling you, you do know.
38:01>> I don't know.
38:02>> Yes, you do. Cuz you failed. You didn't
38:04pass. I'm telling you. I don't know. You
38:07didn't pass. Okay. I know I didn't pass.
38:09He just clearly told me that [ __ ] But I
38:12went through the thing and he told me
38:13the whole thing about lying on the when
38:15when he needed to lie. But
38:17>> don't go honest.
38:18>> No, you can actually just you can try to
38:21rationalize whatever you want and you
38:23can scrutinize the questions or how
38:25they're supposed to be in phrase. It
38:26doesn't matter in the end. You did not
38:28pass.
38:31It did not. You did not pass.
38:35>> That's all they yelling.
38:37I'm trying to get to
38:38>> Are you Are you confused about the
38:39polygon? This the last three questions
38:41you said that I had to lie on the Have
38:44you ever
38:45>> in your entire life?
38:46>> Yeah. Entire life. Okay. That that's
38:47what the last the last session we had
38:49that didn't we just do that. Let me
38:52explain how that works. Remember when I
38:54told you I take snapshots of your
38:55physiology when I know you're telling
38:57the truth. Are the lights on? Are you
38:59sitting down? Okay, those questions.
39:01>> Then I told you the most important
39:03questions on that polygraph test were
39:05the ones that begin with in your entire
39:06life because you were going to lie to
39:08me. Have you ever lied to your wife or
39:10girlfriend? Have you ever told a lie?
39:11Have you ever done anything you regret?
39:12>> And you did. You You answered no to
39:15those questions even though we knew that
39:16was a lie. I told you to. So you were
39:18lying by my permission.
39:19>> I was asking you to lie and you lied for
39:22me.
39:23>> What the how that test works is it
39:25compares to the one question. The only
39:27question we cared about on that whole
39:29test was, "Do you know where Elizabeth
39:31is right now?"
39:33And you answered no. Was that a lie or
39:36was that the truth? It was a lie, sir.
39:38Okay. I told her I answered the way
39:41you're supposed to answer.
39:42>> Do you know for sure where Elizabeth is
39:44right now?
39:44>> No.
39:46>> When you say that, I will give you
39:50a,000% of my pension. If that's true,
39:53but it's not. You're lying. And the
39:55reason I know this, I've been doing this
39:5718 years. There were other little things
39:58that you slipped up on which I don't
40:00even care about. Okay. The point Listen,
40:02listen to me. You're arguing about
40:04apples and oranges here that don't
40:06matter. You're really missing the whole
40:08point. Okay. You ever watch a criminal
40:11trial on television?
40:12>> No, sir.
40:13>> Okay. You never watch cop shows or
40:14anything like that? No.
40:15>> Well, let me tell you what's going to
40:16happen.
40:18>> Ultimately,
40:19do do you know there was blood all over
40:21inside her vehicle? Do you know that? We
40:23found her vehicle and of course there's
40:24blood inside of it.
40:26>> Um there's a towel where somebody wiped
40:28off. So, we're gonna get transferred DNA
40:30from that towel. We're gonna get her
40:32blood on there. We're going to get
40:33whoever used that towel. I I'm pretty
40:36sure it's going to be you, but I I don't
40:38care about that. I don't care if you
40:40hurt her. I I don't care. And I know
40:42that sounds cruel, but what you need to
40:45care about is the fact that you lied to
40:48where she is right now. Listen to me.
40:50People are going to judge you. Whether
40:52this goes to trial, whether it's your
40:53family, people you care about, people
40:55are going to look at this. And what
40:57everybody's going to focus on, not that
41:00maybe you two had an argument, she
41:01slapped you, slapped her back, whatever.
41:03I don't care. That's not important. What
41:05I cuz I wasn't there. I don't know what
41:07happened. But what I do know is that you
41:09were lying to the part about where she
41:11is right now. You know where she is. So
41:13what that's going to make you look like
41:15down the road is somebody who's a
41:18cold-blooded killer. Okay? People want
41:22to forgive. We're humans. We want to
41:23forgive everybody. But you have kids.
41:28Yes, sir. Okay. Do your kids ever lie to
41:30you?
41:32Yeah. Mine do. If mine steal something
41:36and I say, "Did you take that $20 bill?"
41:39>> And they say, "Yeah, I'm sorry I did
41:41it." Well, they're going to get
41:42punished. But if I know they did it and
41:44they say, "No, I didn't do it." They're
41:46going to get punished worse.
41:47>> Yeah.
41:48>> This is where you're at right now and
41:49you don't understand it.
41:50>> Okay, sir. But I didn't I nothing.
41:52>> Ly, you made a mistake. I don't know
41:54what happened. mistake isn't when
41:56because you you took the
41:57>> this guy just told this you took No, I
41:59know I know but this guy like I told him
42:01I took this and he said I won't be off
42:04the radar or anything like that and then
42:06right now he told me that I went on the
42:08run on Tuesday. Well I I think he's
42:11interpreting your cell phone data and
42:12that could be wrong. Maybe maybe you
42:14didn't. I don't know. That's not the
42:15important part. That doesn't really
42:17concern me. If I were you I wouldn't
42:19worry too much about that. What's going
42:21to happen is
42:23we're going to find her, okay? And it's
42:27going to look like something bad
42:28happened to her. She's been laying out
42:29there for days when somebody knew where
42:32she was and didn't say anything when we
42:34asked them. Just think, put yourself, if
42:37you were a juror, if you were on a jury,
42:40okay, and somebody got up there and they
42:42were accused of bank robbery, I don't
42:45know, they're accused of robbery. and
42:48they get up there and they say, "I
42:50didn't do it. I didn't do it." Their
42:52attorney says, "He didn't do it. He
42:53didn't do it." Then the jury finds him
42:55guilty. Okay, let's say they find him
42:56guilty. Now, he has to come back and
42:58say, "Okay, I did it, but my kids
43:01couldn't have food. I couldn't feed my
43:03kids. I didn't have any money. I
43:05couldn't find a job." He's going to give
43:06all these reasons why he did it. But the
43:09all the jury thinks is, you know what?
43:11Screw you. You sat here and lied to us
43:12for two days. Now, when we find you
43:14guilty, you want to give us an excuse.
43:17If he'd have said, "Okay, you know what?
43:19I did this. I'm sorry. It was a mistake.
43:21My kids didn't have food. I didn't have
43:23any money. I had to do this to feed my
43:25children." People are probably going to
43:27say, "You know what? I've been there. I
43:29understand that." People could be in
43:31your spot and understand it, but you got
43:34to own up to it. You've got to tell us
43:35where I don't care if you guys had an I
43:39don't know. I don't know if you had an
43:40argument. Listen to me. Shut up and
43:42listen. I don't know if she attacked
43:43you. I I don't know. It doesn't matter.
43:46The only thing I care about is for you
43:49to walk out here and not tell us where
43:50she is because I know you know.
43:53>> I don't know.
43:53>> And I'll stand up in front of a judge
43:55and a jury and I'll tell them this man
43:57knew. I'll testify. I'm a licensed
43:59polygraph examiner. I've been a homicide
44:01detective for 18 years. Not only do I
44:04know how to read people, but my
44:06polygraph is 99% accurate. Okay. The
44:11only reason it's not 100% accurate is
44:13because nothing is 100%. They won't let
44:15us call it that. That test that I
44:17performed on you is 99% accurate because
44:21I didn't lie to you. I explained
44:23everything to you. I told you these are
44:26the most important questions. These ones
44:28where I want you to lie to me, but I'm
44:29telling you I don't know.
44:31>> But Lupy, that's where we're hung up
44:32because you do know.
44:33>> No, I know.
44:34>> And you don't want to admit it to
44:35yourself, but you know.
44:36>> Why would I admit it to myself?
44:38>> Cuz you don't want to tell us. Well, I
44:39would have got anything to eye. Do you
44:41think people really?
44:43>> Really?
44:44>> Yeah. Really?
44:46>> Because you committed a crime? Probably.
44:48>> I didn't commit no crime here.
44:49>> Unless you tell me you did.
44:51>> Even Even in my whole history of my
44:53life, you've never seen me commit a
44:54crime. I I Yeah, that maybe this is your
44:57first one.
44:58>> Really?
44:58>> But even if it wasn't a crime, it's a
45:01sin. It's a sin against God and man. And
45:04it cannot tell us where she is.
45:06>> That I do know. There are vultures out
45:08there eating her. Okay. But I do know
45:10about that. Don't Don't start into the
45:12religion.
45:12>> You do know.
45:12>> No. About the whole religion thing.
45:14>> Okay. Then how can you live with
45:16yourself? Cuz I know you know.
45:17>> Really?
45:17>> Yeah. If I live myself, I wouldn't be
45:19even able to sleep or do anything like
45:21that.
45:22>> I don't know that. I don't know.
45:23>> Okay. Running normal life with my kids
45:25and family. What do you think's going to
45:27happen now? No. You told me. I'll tell
45:30you what I think is going to happen. I
45:32think you're going to walk out of here
45:34cuz we're not going to arrest you.
45:36We're not because the only question I
45:37asked you I I on purpose didn't ask you
45:40if you hurt her. I asked her if you knew
45:42where she was.
45:42>> Yeah.
45:43>> And that's the only thing I care about
45:44right now. And that's where we're that's
45:46all we care about. But the dogs, the
45:50helicopters, the search teams, they're
45:52they're going to find her. Even if we
45:53have to search the whole city, they'll
45:55find her. We always always find them.
45:58There's only a couple we've never found,
45:59and those are taken out of the area and
46:01dumped. So, I think we're going to find
46:02her body. And as soon as we do, we'll be
46:05back at your house with an arrest
46:06warrant. And then anything you try to
46:08say won't matter. It won't matter at
46:10that point. That's what I'm trying to
46:12tell you. There's a window here where
46:14you can take us to her body or take us
46:16to where she is. Maybe she's not dead. I
46:18don't know. Maybe she's tied up in a
46:19cave. I don't. But listen, you have a
46:21window. And if you don't do that, that
46:24makes you look like a beast. People are
46:27going to judge you.
46:29>> Really? People are going to judge me.
46:31That's all I've been in my whole life
46:33and especially with this family.
46:36>> But because I married her and because I
46:39was I was the other one. I wasn't good
46:41enough for nobody. I can imagine that.
46:43>> Okay. But I've been judged. But why
46:45would I do anything?
46:46>> I don't know. I don't know you. Maybe
46:48maybe you got angry. Maybe you were
46:49defending yourself. I don't know.
46:50>> Defending myself. Maybe she attacked
46:53you. I I don't know. And I that's it's
46:55not important to me. What's important is
46:57that I know you know where she is and
46:59you won't tell me that. I don't know.
47:01>> Okay,
47:01>> I'm telling you. And in the round where
47:04this guy came out pissed off saying that
47:06I about Tuesday even clearly told him
47:08they she met me at my work.
47:11>> Yeah. I don't know where that came from.
47:12I don't know anything about that.
47:13>> Oh, no. It was the thing way before.
47:15>> Okay.
47:16>> And then I told him the whole driving
47:18thing, all that the manifest and all
47:19that crap is all there.
47:23>> Do you understand this isn't going to
47:24just go away?
47:25>> No, I know that, sir. Okay.
47:28Do you understand you're going to
47:29probably get arrested and charged with
47:30murder?
47:34Yeah.
47:35Yeah. And and and if if that happens and
47:38when that happens,
47:40what everything's not going to
47:42Everybody's going to focus on the part
47:44that you left her lay out there. You
47:46didn't tell us where she was.
47:47>> Okay. But if I knew, I wouldn't tell
47:48you, sir. And if I didn't,
47:50>> but people sometimes don't. They lie to
47:52us.
47:53>> Why?
47:54>> Because they lie. They don't want to get
47:56caught. They don't want to take either
47:58they don't want to take responsibility
47:59for what they did or they don't want to
48:01get caught or they think they're going
48:02to go to jail for the rest of their
48:03lives and they don't want to do that.
48:04They think they'll get the death penalty
48:06so they don't want to do that. So people
48:07lie to us. That's what they do. Not
48:10everybody comes in here and tells the
48:11truth. It would be great if they did but
48:14they don't. So we're used to being lied
48:16to but this this is a little different
48:18here because
48:20you know we don't know for sure if if
48:22she's dead yet. We will. We'll find her.
48:24With the amount of blood in that
48:26vehicle, I'm pretty sure she's dead.
48:28>> Blood.
48:29>> Yeah. Blood.
48:33Yeah. There's a lot of it. There's
48:34There'll be DNA.
48:37You've never drove that vehicle, have
48:38you?
48:39>> No, sir.
48:39>> Okay. So, if we were to find your DNA,
48:42your skin cells, your epithelial cells
48:44inside that car?
48:45>> No. I've been in a vehicle, but never
48:47driven it.
48:48>> Really? When were you in it?
48:49>> Uh, Tuesday.
48:51>> Okay. Where'd you go?
48:53>> We went around the block. It was a block
48:55away from my work.
48:56>> Okay.
48:57>> But you never drove. You never touched
48:58the steering wheel?
48:59>> No, sir.
49:00>> Okay. So, if we found your DNA on the
49:02steering wheel,
49:05>> there's a white towel that's got blood
49:07on it in there. Okay. Like somebody
49:09wiped off. Um, you never touched a white
49:12towel that day. You were in that that
49:14van, did you?
49:15>> White towel?
49:15>> Yeah. A little white towel. A towel. I
49:18didn't see it that crime scene
49:20technicians told me about. You didn't
49:21you didn't touch a towel that day, did
49:23you?
49:23>> No, sir.
49:24>> Okay. So, your DNA should not be on that
49:26towel.
49:26>> No, sir.
49:27>> Okay. How would you feel about giving us
49:29a buckle swab?
49:30>> A what?
49:30>> A swab of your mouth before we can get
49:32your DNA.
49:33>> I'll give it to you.
49:34>> Really? You don't have to.
49:37>> What does that have to be the buckle
49:38swab? It's called a buckle membrane
49:40that's inside your mouth. It's like a
49:41big Q-tip. We go in there and swap the
49:43inside of your mouth. And then when we
49:45find if we find Well, when we find DNA
49:49inside that vehicle, No. Uh, there's
49:51going to be DNA in there from everybody
49:53who's ever driven it. So, when we find
49:55DNA inside her vehicle, we've already
49:58got yours. So, we can eliminate you or
49:59say that's you.
50:01[snorts]
50:02Eliminate.
50:03>> Yeah. If it's not your DNA, then it's
50:05not you.
50:07That makes sense, right? Yeah. But I
50:09just went to the polygard thing. I gave
50:11myself
50:11>> You don't You don't have to do this.
50:12That's
50:12>> No, I just gave my phone so my data.
50:15>> I know. And then you got this other
50:17officer came and gave me [ __ ] because he
50:19said that I was talking about Tuesday
50:20and I wasn't even talking about Tuesday.
50:22I was talking about Wednesday and
50:23everything's everything's recorded.
50:25>> So you're basically just a victim.
50:28>> No, I'm telling you everything's
50:29recorded.
50:31>> What do you mean?
50:32>> No, my routes and all that. That's what
50:34I was trying.
50:34>> How's it recorded?
50:35>> Because on the computer we have to log
50:38on all every shipment of the invoice.
50:40Okay.
50:41>> On the computer. The only time you do
50:42that is when you take them out. What do
50:45you drive to work in? What kind of
50:46vehicle?
50:47>> A Lancer.
50:48>> A what?
50:50>> To travel or?
50:51>> Yeah, like when you're going to work or
50:52you're going I mean,
50:55>> is that the one that was in the driveway
50:56or is that inside the drive?
50:58>> Okay. Um,
51:02you know, I I don't know. I wish there
51:03was something I could tell you. I I
51:05don't think you're a bad guy, but what I
51:07do know is that you were lying when I
51:09asked you if you knew where she was.
51:10>> I don't, sir.
51:11>> Okay.
51:13>> I'm telling you. I don't
51:14>> Do do you do you think I'm Am I treating
51:17you with respect?
51:18>> Yeah, you were.
51:20>> Okay. And I will I I don't mean to
51:21disrespect you.
51:22>> No, no. You know what? You're treating
51:24me with respect. Except for the other
51:25one. He was trying to switch over [ __ ]
51:28And I told him I clearly told him he was
51:29writing on it.
51:30>> Okay. Well, I I can't be responsible for
51:33him, but I can be responsible for
51:34myself. And I want to make sure that you
51:36feel like I've treated you with respect.
51:38Not disrespect.
51:38>> No. No. No. You never disrespect that.
51:40Well, remember that when I stand up in
51:42front of a jury and tell them that, you
51:44know, you failed the polygraph and
51:46explain why and how,
51:48>> that's going to make you look pretty
51:49bad. Okay.
51:50>> Okay.
51:51>> Um, do you have any questions of me? Is
51:54there anything you'd like to know?
51:55>> No.
51:56>> Okay. Let me get you out of here. Hold
51:57on.
52:05I guess Detective Angel asked you about
52:08providing a buckle swap.
52:10No, no, dude. I'm getting over like so
52:14many things. I cooperate and [ __ ] I'm
52:16not trying to fly under the radar.
52:18>> I understand.
52:18>> But for you to stand right there and say
52:20that I I told you I left.
52:21>> Well, I'm just asking. I mean, you know,
52:23>> it's literally a [ __ ]
52:25>> Well, understand that Joe also provided
52:27a buckle. So, I mean, he had no problems
52:29with that either.
52:29>> Well, that's his [ __ ] but I I didn't
52:31have the whole problem either.
52:32>> Okay. But here's a way just to alleviate
52:34that problem also. If you didn't do it,
52:37then we know he didn't do it because DNA
52:39will prov.
52:41>> Go ahead. I don't care.
52:44>> But here's the other thing also. Um, and
52:47you're just very adamant the time frame
52:48is 9 9:30 when she she came.
52:51>> Yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. Because I
52:52needed to go after 9:00 because
52:54everybody goes in at 7:00. But I told my
52:56boss, "Hey, can I take a later thing?"
52:58>> A later break.
52:59>> Yeah.
52:59>> Did you go eat anywhere or just No,
53:01>> you didn't go eat, boss.
53:02>> Nothing like that. No.
53:05Okay. But if you don't have time to eat,
53:08you don't either you have something
53:10delivered or you you bring your own
53:13thing.
53:14>> Okay. All right. So, I guess the buckle
53:17swab. You want to provide a buckle swap?
53:18>> I don't I don't care.
53:19>> No, it's either yes or no, sir.
53:21>> I don't care.
53:22>> It's yes or no.
53:23>> It's up to you.
53:24>> Well, I I want you to
53:25>> Go ahead. I don't I don't care.
53:27>> Okay. There's a consent form on there.
53:28You have to provide. Go ahead. Okay.
53:30We'll do that.
53:37Now, we'll take care of that in a
53:38second. This is very easy. They're just
53:40Q-tips. Just put them right here near
53:42your jawline, one on each side. Once
53:44you're done, put them back in here. And
53:47then just put them back in this
53:48envelope. And you can seal that out of
53:50one side. So,
53:54take those two out and then leave them
53:55kind of in that corner of your um
53:58jawline. Yep.
54:01I love it.
54:07All right. [snorts]
54:09>> All the way up.
54:10>> Yeah. Kind of right. Just kind of leave
54:12them there for a few seconds.
54:15Roll them around a little bit. Yeah.
54:25Good.
54:25>> Yeah.
54:28I
54:29>> That's fine.
54:31All right. Initial this. Your initials.
54:35Today's date. [clears throat]
54:46Just put them in there and seal the
54:47envelope. And then once you're done
54:48sealing the envelope, if you can also
54:50initial the envelope. See like that.
54:52>> Yeah.
54:57>> And put your initials kind of big across
55:01this way. Well, even over this lap that
55:03way.
55:04>> Overlap.
55:04>> Yeah. Over.
55:05>> Yeah.
55:06>> Yeah. Here and here.
55:08>> Yeah. There you go. Perfect. And today's
55:11date.
55:16[clears throat]
55:18When your phone's done. Um, they're
55:20doing it right now. Um, I'll call Alice
55:23and you'll and I'll release it back to
55:24you. Okay.
55:26Understand where we're at. All right.
55:29>> Right now.
55:29>> All right. Here's the other point also.
55:31You know, speaking with Joe and I
55:33actually just called him right now. She
55:35never left that house between 9:30. She
55:40never left
55:42when that day Tuesday.
55:44>> She did.
55:45>> Okay. Well, I understand where we're at.
55:46No, she I I met her at 9 between she
55:50didn't leave at 9 something.
55:51>> Okay, but I understand what we're
55:52talking about. Okay. Okay. You've got
55:55>> family on this side saying that, you
55:57know what, she was home all day until
55:58she left at the last time we saw her.
56:01Closer to 10:00.
56:03Never did she leave before 10:00.
56:06>> What day are you talking about?
56:08>> We're all talking about Tuesday, man.
56:09That's the only day I'm talking about is
56:10Tuesday.
56:11>> Okay. No.
56:12>> Yeah.
56:13>> Tuesday? I don't know when. Oh, I'm just
56:14letting you know what what's what we're
56:16talking about. Okay.
56:17>> Okay.
56:18>> All right. So,
56:21you mean you can tell us that she met
56:23you at 9 9:30 and I hope you're right
56:26because we are going to go look at
56:27everything.
56:28>> Oh, yeah.
56:28>> Okay. I hope you're right. And we'll
56:31move on from there.
56:32>> Yeah. Because even on the the the
56:34manifest, I'll tell you I ain't going to
56:36part. Okay.
56:38So, give me one second and then we'll
56:40Okay,
56:41>> go.
56:51Hey, how you doing? What's your name?
56:54>> Gualupe.
56:56>> Hi, I'm Mark Morales.
56:59>> You know some Spanish?
57:01>> Yeah, I was I This is not my case. I
57:04just was over here and everything and um
57:07I just got back to work. I've been gone
57:09for the last two and a half weeks.
57:14to Mexico. Do you know where San Louis
57:16Ptosi is? There's a huge church over
57:18there for a bunch of orphans and we went
57:21with the church. It was kind of cool
57:23little deal. You know, it gets me choked
57:24up every time I talk about it. But, uh,
57:26these kids, they lost their parents and
57:28more of more of like the border, you
57:31know, the the people that cross the
57:32border. Well, they lost their parents
57:34trying to be, you know, trying to make
57:36it better for their kids and all that.
57:38But we went down there to help them out.
57:39It was quite an experience. I mean, it
57:42was something else. It was uh and I
57:44hear, you know, I heard what was going
57:46on with this. And I I don't know if you
57:48wanted to pray with me right now.
57:52You know, it helped out. Uh the last two
57:55weeks we've been gone. These kids, they
57:57have nothing. They have nothing. They
57:59lost the parents. And I mean, kids two,
58:02three years old, man, it was just real
58:04sad. You know, I like to help people out
58:06uh in in hard times.
58:08cuz prayer goes a long ways.
58:11>> Oh, no. I do agree, sir.
58:13>> You what?
58:13>> Oh, no. I do agree.
58:15>> You you you do do you pray and all that?
58:17>> Yeah.
58:18>> I How often do you pray? Are you afraid?
58:19>> I pray at night.
58:20>> At night? Yeah. But it's like sometimes
58:23prayer goes a long ways.
58:24>> It just it gets on uh like other
58:26people's nerves because I do my my
58:30crossing and the thing my grandma told
58:32me. And then uh I wish uh nice everybody
58:37like uh even even my enemies I wish that
58:40nothing I was talking about that and
58:41then I do the thing again just because I
58:45move the bed a lot there you know like
58:46he stop I don't know I have to do it you
58:48don't get it
58:49>> what you what so you pray for your
58:50enemies too I pray for it's like in in
58:53in the time of need in the time of of uh
58:56hard times uh the prayer is the best
58:58thing that can happen in people and
59:01people tend to forget that these days
59:02you There's a lot of hurt in this world,
59:05but there's also a lot of good, you
59:07know, and sometimes uh prayer goes a
59:09long ways. So, I I I was I'm doing a
59:13working on other cases. I just got back,
59:15like I said, two two and a half weeks
59:16been gone, but I I was walking by and
59:19I'm hearing what was going on. Not my
59:21case, but I was just going to see if you
59:23needed any any prayer right now. You
59:25know, prayers aren't meant to be done at
59:27night or be to be done at any time of
59:29the day. Anytime you need the good Lord,
59:32you the good Lord helps you out. And if
59:35you want me to pray with you right now,
59:36I'll be more than happy. Gualupe.
59:38>> Yeah.
59:39>> You're a spiritual man, aren't you?
59:40>> Oh, yes, sir.
59:41>> Okay. Guadalupe, what's your last name?
59:44>> Okay. If you want to bow, however you
59:46pray, and I don't know what you're here
59:49for, Guadalupe, but Lord, please listen
59:52to my prayer right now. and you come
59:54down and you help Guadalupe. Talk to
59:57him. Encourage him. Be the man that I
1:00:01know you are, Lord.
1:00:03The way you heal, the way your power,
1:00:06everything about you. Bring it down.
1:00:08Bring the power of you, Lord. And give
1:00:10it to Guadalupe at this time right now.
1:00:13Help him through these hard times, dear
1:00:16Lord. Guadalupe is a good man.
1:00:21Guadalupe
1:00:22needs your help right now. He seeks your
1:00:24guidance.
1:00:26He wants to listen to you, Lord. Please
1:00:28guide him the way you need to be guided.
1:00:32Lord,
1:00:34Guadalupe is asking for your help right
1:00:36now.
1:00:37I can tell that he is hurt. He's deeply
1:00:40hurt by something right now.
1:00:43And Lord, please give him the courage
1:00:46and the strength to do the right things,
1:00:49Lord.
1:00:51We hear this in your name, Lord. Amen.
1:00:59>> So, prayer goes a long ways.
1:01:02>> I do agree, sir.
1:01:04>> And like I said, you told me you pray at
1:01:06night.
1:01:07>> Yeah.
1:01:08>> And sometimes, um,
1:01:11you know, I've done some I've done some
1:01:13bad things that I'm like, good Lord, he
1:01:15sees it and he knows it. at night if you
1:01:18tell everything and you hey you come
1:01:21clean about everything he's looking out
1:01:23for you.
1:01:24>> I agree. Uh my boss told me forgiveness
1:01:27you ask forgiveness to the daughter
1:01:29helps a long way. My boss is the same
1:01:31thing. He's a pretty sure guy. He goes
1:01:33to church uh every Sundays.
1:01:34>> Yeah.
1:01:34>> Wherefore we go to work and all that.
1:01:36>> But it just this is a mess.
1:01:40No matter what, there it
1:01:43was just
1:01:45what irritated me. I understand where
1:01:47the Mr. uh Angel was coming from and all
1:01:50that.
1:01:52And the other guy uh the B one.
1:01:58>> Yeah. I didn't even talk to him.
1:02:03The when they told me to call, they told
1:02:04me to call up Duran or something is
1:02:07missing for Damon.
1:02:08>> So, he was the only person I talked to.
1:02:11>> You got to tell me what's going I don't
1:02:12even know what's going on.
1:02:14>> My wife Well, I miss you.
1:02:15>> Your wife's missing? Oh, I'm sorry to
1:02:16hear that.
1:02:17>> No,
1:02:18>> I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
1:02:19Or else we would pray for your wife,
1:02:20too.
1:02:21>> Well, my wife is missing. And I told And
1:02:25I tell these people, "Look, look, I saw
1:02:26my wife the last time was Tuesday. I saw
1:02:29my wife. I was at the warehouse. I
1:02:31didn't go on any Ruben. I'm a delivery
1:02:33guy. Wednesday I went on my delivery and
1:02:35Thursday I went on delivery. I've been
1:02:37stuck in the warehouse. And then he
1:02:39goes, "Well, no. Tuesday you said you
1:02:41went out. I didn't do that. Why would I
1:02:44make a mistake like that? That made no
1:02:46sense.
1:02:48I never for somebody else to be hurt."
1:02:50No, it didn't make no sense. I I done
1:02:52some stupid ass [ __ ] in my life, but I'm
1:02:55looking like this.
1:02:57And I won't It's not me cuz I don't
1:02:59teach my kids like that. Mhm.
1:03:01>> But but for this guy to come off like a
1:03:03hard ass, it's not right. He needs to
1:03:06get his picture straightened or his back
1:03:08straight because on Tuesday she did
1:03:10leave the house. Now you got the other
1:03:12family said she never left the house.
1:03:13It's Paul.
1:03:17>> Well, the good Lord knows, right?
1:03:19>> Exactly.
1:03:20>> He's he's he knows the truth.
1:03:21>> At the end, everybody pays the price.
1:03:23>> At the end, everyone pays and the good
1:03:25Lord knows.
1:03:26>> And that's how you make peace with the
1:03:28Lord, right? You can make peace with the
1:03:30Lord if you did something. I I you know
1:03:33when I was a little kid I like I did
1:03:35some crazy [ __ ] when I was a little kid
1:03:36and it's like holy [ __ ] You know what
1:03:38am I what and I the good Lord if you
1:03:41confess everything to him you're
1:03:43forgiven.
1:03:44>> No I always
1:03:45>> you're forgiven. And the thing is it's
1:03:46like when I was growing up as a kid I I
1:03:48was just afraid to tell my parents
1:03:50stuff. But at night I'd pray. I would
1:03:53pray and say hey this is what I did
1:03:55wrong today. I did this rock a day. But
1:03:58the thing in the very end, God knows
1:04:02what took place.
1:04:04>> Yeah.
1:04:04>> And we all have to pay for our sins. And
1:04:06the quicker
1:04:07>> and I think life in general is like uh
1:04:11if you forgive if you you tell your God
1:04:13your sins and on this earth, you're on
1:04:16this earth to basically
1:04:18>> experience life.
1:04:20>> Yeah.
1:04:20>> Yeah.
1:04:21>> The the real life's up ahead.
1:04:23>> The real life is is coming as soon as we
1:04:25pass. As soon as we die, that's when
1:04:27life begins. And it's whether you get in
1:04:29that gate or not.
1:04:31>> Exactly.
1:04:32>> You got to become s come clean with your
1:04:34sins.
1:04:35>> I agree.
1:04:35>> And the thing is, it's like I try to be
1:04:37a good man. I try every day. And you
1:04:40know, there's stuff I'm ashamed of that
1:04:42that's happened to me in the past. But
1:04:44all in the end, the truth sets you free.
1:04:47And it sets it sets me free when I pray.
1:04:51Oh, does it ever. But the thing is when
1:04:53the when when when the truth comes out
1:04:56and it comes from you and you and you
1:04:59you tell the truth, it just opens up
1:05:02your heart and it opens up upstairs and
1:05:05your path is guided path now. It's it's
1:05:08your path is set in order to make those
1:05:10gates.
1:05:12So like I said, prayer is everything in
1:05:14this world. And I didn't know your wife
1:05:16was missing or else we would have said a
1:05:18prayer for her.
1:05:19>> It just it's it's all mixed up, sir.
1:05:21It's all messed up because I was uh the
1:05:24mother of my kids is the sister.
1:05:27>> Whoa, whoa, whoa. How was it?
1:05:29>> Yeah, I know. It's kind of confusing,
1:05:30right? The mother of my kids that that I
1:05:34had was kids with I married her sister.
1:05:37That's Yeah. And I was trying to like
1:05:41jerk or [ __ ] So,
1:05:43>> were you were you messing around with
1:05:44her at at the same time you were
1:05:46married?
1:05:47>> Oh,
1:05:49>> weren't you married to one sister?
1:05:50>> No. Oh, no. I was I already married the
1:05:52sister. The miss the sister is missing.
1:05:54>> Oh, okay.
1:05:55>> She uh I married her on August 29th
1:05:59[snorts] and then uh we split up like 3
1:06:01months later. I ended up going with the
1:06:03baby and mom's. So, I was in and it's
1:06:07been
1:06:09the whole family just it's been telling
1:06:11me [ __ ] So,
1:06:13>> uh did you did they give you a polygraph
1:06:15test? You said Angel.
1:06:17>> Yeah, they did. and
1:06:19>> I didn't pass it.
1:06:21And they keep on bashing me. You know
1:06:23where you're at. I don't
1:06:26I don't
1:06:26>> Those things are pretty accurate.
1:06:28>> Yeah, I know. But I don't
1:06:31even lawyers on [ __ ] like that. They
1:06:35believe me. I've been around lawyers
1:06:36with the polygraph [ __ ] and half of the
1:06:38[ __ ] doesn't even make sense.
1:06:40>> I believe in the polygraph. I mean,
1:06:41>> no, I do believe it too, but it's on the
1:06:44lawyers [ __ ] and all that crap. No,
1:06:47because I even tried doing it. I even
1:06:49tried doing it when I had the the
1:06:51custody battle. The custody battle was
1:06:54my daughter that me and the the the
1:06:56mother and my kids were trying to do
1:06:58that because they were trying to tell me
1:07:00that uh and this is when Elizabeth was
1:07:03with me because we were fighting to
1:07:04courts and all that. So, we were trying
1:07:06to get my daughter from the other one.
1:07:07And I told she we could do all the whole
1:07:10thing like we do is not accurate.
1:07:13So, how does it change from a year that
1:07:15I want to be a bodyguard until now?
1:07:18>> Uh, let me ask you something. Uh,
1:07:22the last few days you've been praying.
1:07:24You said you pray every night, right?
1:07:26>> I always pray, sir.
1:07:27>> What did you pray for?
1:07:28>> Everything. Uh, world peace that we
1:07:30don't go to war.
1:07:31>> Well, that would be my least concern
1:07:33right now. If my wife was missing, I'd
1:07:34be praying.
1:07:35>> No, no, no. Uh, no.
1:07:36>> So, you can forgive
1:07:37>> No, no, no. Praying like all like
1:07:39[snorts] that. But my wife to be found
1:07:43regardless because I got a lot of [ __ ]
1:07:45because I talked to her. I communicate
1:07:47with her. I got a lot of [ __ ] Our our
1:07:51our thing was a secret because she
1:07:53didn't want Joe to get mad and I didn't
1:07:55want us to get mad.
1:07:56>> What do you mean your thing was a
1:07:57secret?
1:07:58>> No. No. Me and her me and her
1:07:59conversation. Supposedly it wasn't a
1:08:01secret because the sister knew that we
1:08:02were talking. The sister Jennifer
1:08:05that knew that we were talking all that.
1:08:07But it was Joe and was the people who
1:08:09were with
1:08:10>> So at one point were you married at one
1:08:13point and you were messing around with
1:08:14another one?
1:08:15>> No. No. No. When I was married with her,
1:08:17>> I was married
1:08:19>> and then when me and her split up, I
1:08:20ended up going back to the mall.
1:08:23>> What's the What's the worst thing you've
1:08:25asked God to give you forgiveness for?
1:08:30>> For taking my parents.
1:08:33>> For what?
1:08:34>> Taking my parents.
1:08:35>> Taking your parents? Yeah. taking them
1:08:38when they were gone. I lost my dad at
1:08:40the age of nine and I lost my mom in
1:08:432014.
1:08:44>> Okay. But you prayed for That's the
1:08:46worst thing you've done.
1:08:47>> No, because I uh you know when your m
1:08:50start cussing at him upstairs and all
1:08:52that and you don't supposed to do that.
1:08:55>> You're not supposed to take the Lord's
1:08:57name in vain.
1:08:57>> Yeah. Start or start telling like he's
1:09:00another person and you start cussing at
1:09:01him and all that,
1:09:02>> you know. So you're you're a man of the
1:09:04Bible, right? You read the Bible?
1:09:06>> I don't I don't read the Bible, but but
1:09:08I do have beliefs. I'm not like other
1:09:10people that they see the the picture of
1:09:12God and they're all like, "Well, I don't
1:09:13believe in that cuz that's not him." I'm
1:09:15not like that.
1:09:16>> I'm a Catholic and that's what it is.
1:09:19>> Have you pray? Have you prayed to God
1:09:22like, "Hey, help me find my wife?"
1:09:24>> Yes.
1:09:24>> Has he told you anything?
1:09:26>> My name or nothing?
1:09:27>> He hadn't told you anything. You haven't
1:09:28seen a vision of where she might be?
1:09:30>> No. No, sir.
1:09:33That's the thing. My [ __ ] is they're
1:09:37they're bashing me.
1:09:39>> They're what?
1:09:40>> They're they're bashing me. It's like
1:09:42this guy thinks that I'm just making up
1:09:43the [ __ ] that I didn't see her Tuesday.
1:09:45Her family said that she didn't leave
1:09:46Tuesday.
1:09:48That's impossible because I was at work
1:09:50Tuesday and I saw her.
1:09:53I don't get any comments. Well, I was
1:09:55talking about I was talking about
1:09:56Tuesday. I go, "No, you were talking
1:09:58about Wednesday. I ain't going the
1:09:59route." I go, "I have my thing." What do
1:10:01you do?
1:10:02>> Uh delivery for uh
1:10:05Elliot Electric Supplies. We pull uh
1:10:08materials and then we go deliver them to
1:10:10like electrical little stores that they
1:10:12have out here. So we I deliver to
1:10:14Pleasanton. I deliver to county Texas.
1:10:18But that's the thing. I don't I don't
1:10:20get it.
1:10:22And it's on the thing. I told him I go
1:10:23look I got all the proof in the world. I
1:10:26go when I work when I left and all this.
1:10:29So I He goes, "Why? No, you told me
1:10:32Tuesday." I go, "You still stuck on that
1:10:34Tuesday." I go, "I told you I ain't
1:10:35going nowhere. How would how is I going
1:10:37to meet up with her if I have my
1:10:39[clears throat] truck?"
1:10:40>> Mhm.
1:10:40>> So please tell me that
1:10:42>> a work truck.
1:10:43>> Yeah. I I I didn't go nowhere,
1:10:45>> right?
1:10:46>> And I I drive a 550 and a 750, a 210. So
1:10:51why would I go meter or anything like
1:10:53that?
1:10:55So it is is I don't know. So yeah, I I
1:10:59didn't know what what it was about. I
1:11:00didn't know your wife was missing or
1:11:01anything like that.
1:11:03>> Yeah, but they [ __ ] still insisting
1:11:05that I know where my wife's at. And I
1:11:08told Alice, I go, I hope they find her
1:11:10so my [ __ ] could get clear so she could
1:11:13answer a lot of [ __ ] that's going on
1:11:15because I'm getting I'm getting thrown
1:11:17into [ __ ] I'm getting thrown
1:11:20about [ __ ] Why am I talking to her and
1:11:22all that? Elizabeth is the only one that
1:11:24could answer that.
1:11:25>> Who do you think she is? I don't know,
1:11:27sir. Supposedly her sister said that she
1:11:29was texting somebody else.
1:11:33So, I don't know. And then me getting
1:11:36insurance because supposedly she had a
1:11:37tumor that was fed to me by her that she
1:11:40had tumors in her head and all this. And
1:11:41then her mom uh like day two days ago
1:11:44just told me that she there was nothing
1:11:45wrong with her.
1:11:49So I I fed all this thing that before me
1:11:52and her split up, she was at the
1:11:54hospital cuz she was getting MRIs done
1:11:55because the tumors and all that. I don't
1:11:57I don't get it.
1:12:00>> What? How did they know? Did they find
1:12:02her car or something? Who were who
1:12:03reported her?
1:12:04>> Supposedly they found her car.
1:12:05>> Who reported her missing?
1:12:06>> Uh it was Joe. No, Joe. The mom. No, the
1:12:09sister. It was one of them. I don't get
1:12:12it. The only thing I know is that
1:12:16my mother-in-law showed up at my house
1:12:18and started knocking and found out if I
1:12:19knew anything the word about Elizabeth
1:12:22cuz she was been missing since 8:00 last
1:12:25night at 8:00 at night.
1:12:28But she uh she came and knocked on my
1:12:30door on Thursday morning.
1:12:32>> Mhm.
1:12:33>> So Wednesday she went missing. But I got
1:12:36a text at 12:33 a.m. and it was a blank
1:12:40secret conversation.
1:12:43Does she have any kids?
1:12:44>> Yeah.
1:12:53>> She was attached to Elizabeth.
1:12:55>> You remember when I told you what I was
1:12:57doing the last two and a half weeks?
1:12:58>> Yeah.
1:13:00>> Seeing kids without their parents in
1:13:01Mexico.
1:13:02>> Believe me, I've been where Emma's been.
1:13:05I know it's hard. And especially with
1:13:08one parent, I know it's hard.
1:13:12But these guys like whatever dude.
1:13:20>> Have Have you talked to her? I mean her
1:13:22child and is your child, right?
1:13:25>> No, that's my stepdaughter.
1:13:26>> Stepdaughter.
1:13:27>> So, do you see her?
1:13:29>> No.
1:13:30>> You don't see her at all? No.
1:13:33>> Who's she with right now? The
1:13:34stepdaughter. Oh,
1:13:38what's her dad?
1:13:40But her dad uh when me and her moved
1:13:43together, her her dad was stuck in the
1:13:46the apartments where me and Elizabeth
1:13:48were living at. We had to call the cops
1:13:51because we didn't leave was there and he
1:13:53has no business being there.
1:13:55>> Do you love uh do you [clears throat]
1:13:57love her?
1:13:58>> Yeah. You don't marry somebody, you
1:13:59don't love them.
1:14:01>> How about the little girl?
1:14:02>> Yeah. I never had a problem with her.
1:14:04She's hilarious that that I helped her
1:14:06with her homework and all that.
1:14:14I told Elizabeth that.
1:14:18>> Oh, I hate to see another child without
1:14:20a parent not knowing where the parent
1:14:21is.
1:14:22>> I need to find I need to find her. The
1:14:25Lord needs to help me find her.
1:14:32and you've prayed and nothing has come.
1:14:34Usually people get this. They get a they
1:14:37get a a picture in their head. They get
1:14:40their phone. A lot of people
1:14:43um
1:14:45a lot of people get these images once
1:14:48they pray and they're like, "Hey, well,
1:14:50I see this empty field uh somewhere off
1:14:53the highway. This is where I see you
1:14:55know, they have a premonition or they
1:14:57actually have a have a picture of what
1:15:00where she actually is right now. And
1:15:02usually they lead police in that route.
1:15:04>> So I was wondering maybe after you
1:15:06prayed for her safety.
1:15:08>> Uh that's
1:15:11>> So when was the last day you saw her?
1:15:14>> Tuesday.
1:15:14>> Tuesday.
1:15:15>> Yes, sir.
1:15:16>> And you didn't see her at all?
1:15:17Wednesday.
1:15:17>> No. The the the guy Duran told me, "Did
1:15:22you see her leave?" I saw her leave.
1:15:26And it couldn't Wednesday cuz it rained.
1:15:28It was all raining.
1:15:30>> You could have senior.
1:15:31>> No. No. Wednesday. It Wednesday was just
1:15:34all slam because it was rain.
1:15:36>> What does that have have to do with it?
1:15:38Your work.
1:15:38>> Yeah. At my work, it takes longer. We
1:15:41have to take precaution not to drive
1:15:43fast. So, we're allowed to go, but we
1:15:45have to kind of back down a little bit
1:15:46when it rains and all that cuz you do a
1:15:49test of driving test and then they're
1:15:51very strict with the driving thing. So
1:15:54they're very strict on that.
1:15:55>> And you didn't see her at all Wednesday.
1:15:57So she's been Last time you saw her was
1:15:59Tuesday.
1:15:59>> Tuesday.
1:16:00>> And then did you think anything of her?
1:16:02>> No, because I talked to her Wednesday.
1:16:04>> You talked to her Wednesday?
1:16:05>> Yeah. Wednesday like on 11 something.
1:16:07That's when me and her hanged up.
1:16:09>> 11 in the morning.
1:16:10>> Night?
1:16:11>> At night?
1:16:11>> Yeah. That's why it was impossible. When
1:16:13this guy told me that that she never
1:16:15left the house, I I heard her. She was
1:16:18leaving. She was going to Walmart.
1:16:22Not that I was like, "Okay, I got to let
1:16:23you go because I'm going back on my
1:16:25route." So that's when he sp me later or
1:16:29hit me up later.
1:16:30>> So 11:00 at night, she's going to
1:16:32Walmart, right? She calls you.
1:16:33>> No, she left the house like 10:00. And I
1:16:36told this guy, I go meet her, stay on
1:16:38the phone. When I get to work, it's like
1:16:404:00, 4:00, 3:50. I call her and she's
1:16:44at her work. So she can't talk until
1:16:476:00. In and out. In and out. We'll
1:16:50talk. And then when I'm at work, I could
1:16:53talk to her like nothing cuz I'm doing
1:16:54all my items
1:16:56and it went all the way to and that's
1:16:59why I know I know on Wednesday she left
1:17:01at 10.
1:17:02>> 10:00 at night.
1:17:03>> Yes. It had to be at 10, sir.
1:17:15>> That's That's crazy. That's crazy.
1:17:23Is she a spiritual person? Does she like
1:17:26to pray? She
1:17:28>> uh when I was with her, she didn't pray.
1:17:30>> She didn't pray.
1:17:31>> No, she just she she [snorts] because uh
1:17:35the way I pray in my grandma, my mom,
1:17:38the old school,
1:17:39>> she like pray Spanish.
1:17:41>> Yeah. Like put us in
1:17:44all that. And she's like, "Why do you
1:17:47pray like that?" and all that. I was
1:17:48like because it was taught to me when I
1:17:51was little and that's how I stay. And
1:17:52supposedly I'm the only one that knows
1:17:54this. So I don't know
1:17:56>> that there's two things that I picked up
1:17:59when I was little from my parents. You
1:18:01don't lie and you pray.
1:18:03>> Exactly.
1:18:04>> And I think you're probably the same.
1:18:05You look like you got your heads on your
1:18:07shoulders. You you squared away. You
1:18:09probably came from the same background I
1:18:11did. But you were probably taught the
1:18:12same thing. Never lie and always pray. I
1:18:16I have lied in my life.
1:18:17>> But you you didn't like it.
1:18:20>> No, I don't because
1:18:20>> because you were taught, right?
1:18:22>> No. Yeah, but it comes back to biking.
1:18:24Yes. And when this whole thing came up
1:18:26with uh when me and Elizabeth got uh
1:18:30involved
1:18:33like all all the lies, you keep up that
1:18:36until me and Liz get it all comes out at
1:18:38the end. And believe me, I know how
1:18:40karma is. And this is what this guy
1:18:42doesn't understand. I just went through
1:18:43this [ __ ] last year because I got
1:18:45married to a sister and this one didn't
1:18:47like it and and and you don't
1:18:49understand.
1:18:51But to come up like a hard ass is wrong.
1:18:55I know it's your job and all that thing,
1:18:56but
1:18:58>> No, I I I apologize.
1:19:00>> It came up like a hard ass. It's like
1:19:02>> it's cool. It just I don't I don't get
1:19:03it, sir. I'm out here and I'm telling
1:19:06you like I did see her Tuesday and
1:19:08you're trying to tell me well no uh now
1:19:11you told me that we're talking about a
1:19:13that you took off in the shop like dude
1:19:15how did I take off in the shop? I go you
1:19:18and my boss go boss for me that was at
1:19:20the shop.
1:19:21>> Do you know where they found found did
1:19:22they what did they they found a car?
1:19:24>> They didn't tell me nothing. They said
1:19:25they found the car and that was blood.
1:19:27That was a lot of
1:19:27>> They found a car.
1:19:29>> Joe's she took the SUV.
1:19:32>> Who SUV? Joe's
1:19:35SUV.
1:19:38I just really found out that right now
1:19:41>> I didn't even know.
1:19:42>> I don't even know anything.
1:19:43>> The only thing The only thing he told me
1:19:45is that he called and called his car
1:19:49reported stolen.
1:19:50>> Mhm.
1:19:51>> I didn't know that they on right now.
1:19:55The sister Alice been texting the
1:19:56sister. Did you find anything? No.
1:20:01Because that family doesn't they don't
1:20:03they don't like me because they think
1:20:06I'm from the west side. They're they're
1:20:08high value north side people. They have
1:20:11more uh how you say it.
1:20:13>> That has nothing to do with it.
1:20:15>> It is. That's the way it is, sir.
1:20:16>> No, that's not the way it is.
1:20:18>> No, that that's the way that family is.
1:20:20>> Well, that family that's they're they're
1:20:22wrong. They're wrong about it because
1:20:24the way I look at it is everyone's life
1:20:26is the same as any other life.
1:20:28>> No, not this family.
1:20:30>> I'm sorry. That's the way it is.
1:20:31>> Basically, when I got I got married uh
1:20:33to her, her dad said that I wasn't worth
1:20:36the [ __ ] and you know, I had nothing
1:20:40going for me and all. And I I was
1:20:42working hard. I'm a rough night that
1:20:45goes out there and I and I work I work
1:20:46for a park.
1:20:51So, I don't get it. I did everything in
1:20:53my power to to to raise my family
1:20:57>> even with my kids. And that I I was
1:21:00called, but I was I wasn't worth it.
1:21:04>> Okay. But you saw her on Tuesday?
1:21:06>> Yes, sir.
1:21:07>> Okay. Wednesday.
1:21:09>> Didn't see her.
1:21:10>> Didn't see her Wednesday. What did you
1:21:11do Wednesday?
1:21:13>> I did my route. I went to Pleasanton.
1:21:15No, no. I I went to county.
1:21:17>> Kennedy, Texas. Yeah.
1:21:19>> What What What time do you usually go to
1:21:21work every day?
1:21:23>> I go to work uh say 10 minutes till 4,
1:21:25sir.
1:21:26>> 10 minutes till 4. Yeah. In the
1:21:28afternoon or even in the afternoon,
1:21:29right?
1:21:30>> Okay. So,
1:21:33what did you do in the morning?
1:21:35>> I slept. You
1:21:36>> slept?
1:21:36>> I was with Alice at home.
1:21:38>> You're with Alice at home? Yes, sir.
1:21:40>> Until it was time to go to work?
1:21:41>> Yes, sir.
1:21:41>> Okay. Then you get go to work.
1:21:44>> How long does it take you to drive to
1:21:45work from the house?
1:21:47>> Uh, depends on traffic. It take 30
1:21:50minutes.
1:21:50>> 30 minutes
1:21:51>> or less.
1:21:52>> Okay. I'm going I'm going from like
1:21:54Kelly airport base all the way to
1:21:57Broadway. So by the airport.
1:22:00>> Okay. Where does she work?
1:22:02>> Oh, the passing.
1:22:05>> She works two jobs.
1:22:08She works the YW.CA on Castville.
1:22:12>> Okay.
1:22:12>> And then Mission Trails.
1:22:14>> Mission Trails Hospital.
1:22:15>> Yeah. The Baptist
1:22:16>> right there on 37.
1:22:19>> Yeah. The the one I guess the new one
1:22:21>> by Brooks. Yeah. Baptism. Yeah.
1:22:24>> Okay. So, at 4:00 you get to work a
1:22:26little bit before. How how early do you
1:22:28show up at work?
1:22:29>> Normally time. It's like always 10
1:22:31minutes. I have to get dropped off and
1:22:33then I have to go pick up my daughter
1:22:35from work or drop her off at work or
1:22:37normally I go drop off my daughter at
1:22:38work at 3 like 3:15 and then I'm heading
1:22:41to work already. So, because Alice has
1:22:44to work in the afternoon.
1:22:46>> So, you get to work then what happens?
1:22:48You you spend time there at work for a
1:22:49little bit before you run. Yeah, because
1:22:52I have to pull
1:22:53>> pull.
1:22:54>> They give me
1:22:55>> a list of stuff that needs to be taken.
1:22:57Then you pull it
1:22:58>> put on a pallet and then we have to wrap
1:23:01it and then we have to load it and then
1:23:02we have to do our manifest. Put every
1:23:05single ticket uh that you have.
1:23:07>> It's hard work.
1:23:08>> No, it's good.
1:23:10>> You got you got to have the brains for
1:23:11that.
1:23:12>> It's it's kind of laidback thing. So,
1:23:15you enter the D, you put your manifest
1:23:17or sometimes you try to do your manifest
1:23:19ahead of time because the computer shows
1:23:22on at 7:00
1:23:23>> and then it goes all the way to 6. I
1:23:25mean 7:00 all the way till 7:30. It
1:23:28takes 30 minutes before it reboots
1:23:29again.
1:23:30>> Inventory check, right?
1:23:31>> Yeah. It's it's a daily thing,
1:23:33>> right?
1:23:34>> Uh I said for the the the end of the
1:23:37month they'll shut down at 6:00 and
1:23:39until 10:30 at night.
1:23:41>> So,
1:23:42you load up your truck. What time do you
1:23:44leave? This is over Broadway in Fortune
1:23:46area, right? Right. Yes, sir.
1:23:47>> Okay. So, you load up your truck. What
1:23:48time do you leave?
1:23:49>> Uh on on I'm pretty sure on my damn
1:23:53manipus. It says 8:35.
1:23:55>> 8:35 at night you left.
1:23:56>> No, 8:35. I logged into my manifest.
1:24:00That's when I I have it cleared out. But
1:24:02then you have to go outside, make sure
1:24:04you your truck's loaded up, everything's
1:24:05locked up because you don't want nothing
1:24:07flying out because it's your job.
1:24:09>> Exactly.
1:24:09>> And uh never down. I don't know what
1:24:12time I left. I don't know. It was like
1:24:1415 minutes afterwards or 10 minutes
1:24:16afterwards.
1:24:16>> What time did you talk to talk to her?
1:24:19>> I just would stay on my thing.
1:24:22>> She would stay on my headsets.
1:24:23>> Oh, in your headsets. Yeah. So, you were
1:24:25talking to her at the time you were at
1:24:26work?
1:24:26>> Yeah. Yeah, I would talk to her. But
1:24:28when you're on the truck, I wouldn't
1:24:29talk to her cuz you can't.
1:24:31>> Did you tell her that you were leaving?
1:24:33>> Yeah, I would talk to you when I get to
1:24:35Kennedy. Okay.
1:24:36>> You don't remember what time that was?
1:24:38>> No, I'm not sure.
1:24:39>> Okay.
1:24:39>> Did you tell Kennedy and she was at
1:24:41work?
1:24:42No, she was at home already.
1:24:44>> She was at home.
1:24:45>> Yes.
1:24:46>> That's when they said the the whole home
1:24:47thing. I was like, "Okay, no, that's not
1:24:49right."
1:24:51>> And then the only thing she's talking
1:24:52about,
1:24:54have a party.
1:24:56She have a a party and then she has to
1:24:58go and get food and do this because
1:25:20>> took dance for the teacher and uh she's
1:25:24the owner of the in
1:25:25>> and this Wednesday.
1:25:27>> Yeah, this was Wednesday.
1:25:28>> So that's where she was.
1:25:29>> Yeah, she took off. She I had to go.
1:25:36>> He go, "No, it's either your sister.
1:25:38It's either the teacher or you
1:25:44went to the store."
1:25:45>> What time was this?
1:25:47>> Uh
1:25:50in my think it was like 10
1:25:52>> 10:00 at night.
1:25:53>> 10 or 10? Yes, sir. She was going to get
1:25:56stuff at uh at a store at 10:00 at night
1:25:58with her daughter.
1:25:59>> No, she didn't go with her daughter. She
1:26:01didn't go to her daughter
1:26:01>> cuz she left the jail and then at 11:00
1:26:04we hang up.
1:26:06>> Okay. Where's
1:26:10on couples and and Casp
1:26:16if you go down couples you'll see it
1:26:17right away.
1:26:17>> Right. Right.
1:26:18>> Like going towards our lady. I thought
1:26:21maybe she was at work at the mission
1:26:23trails because I think don't you have to
1:26:25go do that 37?
1:26:27>> But she that's another thing and this
1:26:29was confusing me.
1:26:32Joel said that and this was Alice was
1:26:34telling me that she need to go check her
1:26:36schedule.
1:26:38>> She need to go to the hospital to check
1:26:40her schedule.
1:26:40>> That really
1:26:42>> don't you call
1:26:43>> at Wednesday night?
1:26:44>> Yeah, but don't you call?
1:26:45>> Yeah, you learn.
1:26:46>> Okay. That's the thing. I mean I said
1:26:48same thing. Don't you call. So y'all
1:26:50y'all probably cross each other's path
1:26:52because you were on the way to Kennedy
1:26:54going down 37 because Kennedy you have
1:26:56to take 37 to 181.
1:26:58>> No. No. Yeah. Yeah. But how do we cross
1:27:00each other's path?
1:27:01>> Well, she works Mission Trails, right?
1:27:02>> Yeah. But this is like 10 10 by 10:00
1:27:0510:15 and I was even back in town.
1:27:08>> Yeah.
1:27:10>> So we didn't cross the thing. And then
1:27:12at 11:00 we hung up. That's why I knew
1:27:14what time she left the house. That's why
1:27:16when the mom came in and said, "Hey, she
1:27:18she's been missing 8:00." Cuz Joe said
1:27:21that she left at 8:00. It's impossible.
1:27:24>> Let me ask you, but you said you said
1:27:26you don't talk to her when you're
1:27:27driving, right?
1:27:28>> Yeah. I don't.
1:27:29>> Then why?
1:27:32Okay. I'm confused about the time cuz
1:27:33you said she was It was about 10:00. So,
1:27:36you'd still be on the road to Kennedy if
1:27:38you left 410 and Broadway at 8:40
1:27:40something.
1:27:41>> No, it takes an hour and a half, sir.
1:27:43>> An hour and a half. But you still had
1:27:44rainy weather.
1:27:45>> Yeah. It takes normally if you go on the
1:27:47thing it's an hour and 7 minutes.
1:27:49>> Okay.
1:27:50>> But you kind of delay things because of
1:27:52the rain.
1:27:52>> About what what time were you on the
1:27:54phone with her when you had already
1:27:56arrived in Kennedy?
1:27:58>> It was an hour and a half. So if I live
1:28:00like 10 minutes
1:28:03you
1:28:03>> It was probably around that time. It was
1:28:05a time because when you go enter county
1:28:07the signal falls off and on off and on.
1:28:09>> Mhm.
1:28:10>> And on the record if you look through
1:28:11the phone record you can see that I call
1:28:13her back. Hey, I'm sorry. I didn't, you
1:28:14know, this and all that.
1:28:17And then I just stopped and I I ate my
1:28:19crackers
1:28:21when I was at Pope and I go, "Hey, let
1:28:24me just let you go." So from there, I I
1:28:28eat my crackers cuz that's all I eat. I
1:28:31take my soda and my crackers and I said,
1:28:33"Okay, we cannot drive." They tell us
1:28:35that we could pull over and get our
1:28:37snacks or, you know, buy his McDonald's
1:28:39whatever, but you can't stick a big old
1:28:40thing. And then if you have pains in the
1:28:43back, you don't want to get stolen.
1:28:46So I ate a cracker at 11:00 or he hit me
1:28:48up later on and that's it. That's how it
1:28:50ended.
1:28:52And then I get that that text on my
1:28:54thing.
1:28:55>> When did you get back into town in the
1:28:56same time?
1:28:57>> Uh
1:28:59not like I'm 12,
1:29:02but I still have to put gas and all
1:29:03that. And then my time sheet has to act
1:29:05like that at 12:20.
1:29:08>> So you were asleep all day. You were at
1:29:10the house on Wednesday, then it's time
1:29:12for you to go to work, sir. So, you
1:29:14leave the house at about what time?
1:29:163:15, 3:30?
1:29:18>> Yes, sir.
1:29:19>> You get to work and you're at work at
1:29:204:00.
1:29:22>> No, before
1:29:23>> 4:00. But you're you're in at work about
1:29:25that time.
1:29:26>> So, were you talking at 4:25?
1:29:32>> Okay. [clears throat]
1:29:34So, then you call her up when you get to
1:29:37work.
1:29:37>> Yeah.
1:29:38>> Like you usually do. That's a normal
1:29:40routine, right?
1:29:40>> Yeah. Because if you if that's the
1:29:42thing, if anybody pull the records of
1:29:44the 6127199,
1:29:47>> it's always accurate when I call her.
1:29:50It's always accurate.
1:29:52>> They've pulled the records on what?
1:29:53>> On her phone.
1:29:55>> On her phone.
1:29:56>> Yeah.
1:29:56>> What's the number?
1:29:57>> 6127199.
1:29:59>> 71.99. Okay. All right. So, that puts
1:30:03you there. You're Broadway and 410.
1:30:08You say, "I gotta go."
1:30:10And then
1:30:11>> Oh, not Broadway at 410. Yes, sir. Not
1:30:13even back in town.
1:30:14>> No, no. I'm talking about when you get
1:30:15to work. That's where you work over
1:30:17there in the general area. Broadway
1:30:18410th, right? Yeah. Yeah.
1:30:20>> Okay. So, you get to work a little bit
1:30:22before, you pull your order, you do all
1:30:24that good stuff. You guess you left
1:30:26about 8:30.
1:30:32>> It's either 8:30 on the manip. And I
1:30:34think it's a little bit 10 or 15 minutes
1:30:36afterwards, but I'll smoke and all that.
1:30:39And I I'll delay because you can't smoke
1:30:41in the trucks.
1:30:42>> Mhm.
1:30:43>> So, and then you take off.
1:30:46>> Then you take off. It's about an hour, 5
1:30:49minutes.
1:30:51>> No, you have to delay.
1:30:52>> Yeah. So, that puts you about what time
1:30:55did that put you?
1:30:55>> 10 10:15.
1:30:57>> 10:15. You're you're already at Kennedy.
1:31:00>> Yeah. And then I'm driving back at the
1:31:02same No, I carry and then I have to
1:31:05unload my things,
1:31:06>> right?
1:31:06>> And then I have to bring back whatever
1:31:08item.
1:31:09>> Were you on the phone when you're when
1:31:10>> Yeah. Yeah. When I'm driving. Yeah.
1:31:12Unloading all that.
1:31:13>> And so even when you're driving, you're
1:31:15on the phone with her?
1:31:15>> No. No. No. I'm off. Yeah. When you're
1:31:18right.
1:31:18>> Okay. So I got the picture now. So then
1:31:20you're on the phone. You're unloading.
1:31:21You're on the phone with her. So I put
1:31:23it around what time?
1:31:25>> 10:15. 10:20,
1:31:28>> I think. So
1:31:29>> you're unloading, right? Yeah.
1:31:31>> You get done there, you sit and eat your
1:31:33crackers.
1:31:34>> No, no, I take off for a bit.
1:31:36>> Okay.
1:31:36>> I end up taking off. Then it started
1:31:38raining and I was like, I eat my
1:31:40crackers and ask the Because you have to
1:31:43go to the city. You have to go to Kanye
1:31:44City and then you have to go I know
1:31:46exactly right.
1:31:46>> Yeah. The whole thing and I was like,
1:31:48hey, let me just let you go. I'm just
1:31:50going to go and and and that's all I was
1:31:52doing. I didn't text nobody.
1:31:55>> But you but you said on the way back you
1:31:57were on the phone. No, no. I was on my
1:31:58phone and I had to pull over.
1:32:00>> Pull over.
1:32:01>> You weren't allowed to answer the phones
1:32:03or anything. As long as we just pulled
1:32:04over
1:32:06because now you my boss said they pin
1:32:08people on fire for that. So I pulled
1:32:11over and was
1:32:13>> And that was the last time you talked to
1:32:14him.
1:32:14>> Yeah, that was the last time.
1:32:15>> About what time was that?
1:32:17>> 11 something.
1:32:19It was 11 something. And then I told
1:32:22this guy, I got a text at 12:33
1:32:25from on Messenger.
1:32:28>> From a messenger?
1:32:29>> Yeah. On Messenger. Facebook.
1:32:31>> Oh, Facebook Messenger. Okay. And what
1:32:33was it from her?
1:32:34>> Yeah, but it was it was a black uh
1:32:37secret conversation and there was
1:32:39nothing. It was blank.
1:32:43And then I stayed with it and it was
1:32:45blank. M.
1:32:46>> And then when uh uh the following day
1:32:49that I saw it, it was still blank. I
1:32:53didn't when I opened it, it was blank.
1:32:56And it showed it show what time I opened
1:32:58and it was at 5:45.
1:33:00And then when I I didn't see nothing. Uh
1:33:04and I called her when the mom told me
1:33:06that she was missing. I go, "Okay, I'll
1:33:07call her when I get to work to see what
1:33:10the hell's going on." And I did call
1:33:12that number.
1:33:14And it went straight to voicemail.
1:33:16Does she have two phones or something?
1:33:18>> Uh, she had the that that phone number
1:33:20was mines when we we're together.
1:33:24Then she had her iPhone. So she the
1:33:28other phone I wouldn't call unless I
1:33:30have to be in emergency or something
1:33:32like that.
1:33:33That's it.
1:33:35>> Have you asked the Lord for any kind of
1:33:36forgiveness this week?
1:33:38>> Forgiveness for what, sir?
1:33:40>> For anything?
1:33:42>> No.
1:33:44uh begins. Uh
1:33:47just uh my kids,
1:33:52that's it. Uh I know sometimes I'm hard
1:33:54on them, but it's not so much. Uh
1:33:56>> that's not that you don't need to ask
1:33:57forgiveness for that.
1:33:58>> No, but just sometimes like uh it's
1:34:00because I don't want my kids to have my
1:34:02life because I grew up in the Casiano
1:34:04homes and I grew up poor. And
1:34:06>> what's wrong with that? Are you poor
1:34:08right now?
1:34:08>> No.
1:34:09>> Are you living in the Casiano homes?
1:34:10>> No.
1:34:11God has the Lord has looked out for you,
1:34:13son.
1:34:13>> No, I know. But that that's and I tell
1:34:16my kids it's a big accomplishment when
1:34:18you move out of there.
1:34:19>> Exactly.
1:34:19>> You're not the same person.
1:34:20>> Have you ever have you ever you know
1:34:22those Santos those the those candles
1:34:26those? Okay. But the one in particular
1:34:29there's a there's a picture. No, there's
1:34:31a picture of Jesus and he's got nails in
1:34:34his hand and he's being crucified. And
1:34:37you know why he was crucified?
1:34:39>> For us. for all the sins of
1:34:40[clears throat] our that we've that
1:34:42we've made. All our sins are forgiven
1:34:45because he died on the cross. And I can
1:34:47always picture that picture. And if you
1:34:50look closely, it almost looks like Jesus
1:34:52is crying.
1:34:53>> He's hanging on the cross. But the
1:34:55reason he died is for our sins.
1:34:58And when you see that picture, it like
1:35:01it really gets to me because I've done
1:35:04some shitty things in my past.
1:35:06I've done some real bad things in my
1:35:08past. I have I have to s
1:35:13that was my teenage thing like
1:35:14>> and and I'm glad I'm glad you you know I
1:35:17sat here and talked to you and all that
1:35:19you you look like a religious man and
1:35:21the thing is it's like
1:35:25in order to make the kingdom that is
1:35:28coming we have to be good in this one.
1:35:34We have to come clean in everything.
1:35:37We have to ask for forgiveness for
1:35:40everything, for all our sins.
1:35:43As bad as they are, it doesn't matter
1:35:45how bad they are. In the end, you're
1:35:49going to make that kingdom if you do the
1:35:51right thing in this world.
1:35:53>> I agree.
1:35:56>> I hope to God that they find they find
1:35:59her. I I just
1:36:03>> And I think uh
1:36:06>> I need my name cleared. That's what it
1:36:08is. That's my [ __ ]
1:36:14>> How much did you love her?
1:36:17>> I loved her.
1:36:19That's my wife. She's my first wife. I
1:36:21never been married.
1:36:23Uh I loved her. I cared. And to this day
1:36:26is like uh when me and her talk were
1:36:29like
1:36:31we understand we did some messed up
1:36:33[ __ ] We should not have done that route
1:36:35regardless was her sister before. We
1:36:38should not
1:36:40how many people we heard it and all
1:36:42that.
1:36:46Joe kept interrogating her like you
1:36:50better not do this. I and I never do
1:36:52that to kids.
1:36:54And then putting my kids through that
1:36:55and I was like, "Oh, God."
1:36:57>> And and I did the wrong thing just now.
1:36:59See, this is this is the world we live
1:37:01in right now. Did you not hear what I
1:37:03just said earlier?
1:37:04>> No.
1:37:04>> I I asked you how much did you love her?
1:37:08I I'm making it sound like it's past
1:37:10tense.
1:37:12>> I It's It's that we should be living in
1:37:14the future. I'm already assuming
1:37:16something's happened to her.
1:37:17>> You see? You see? I said, "Did you love
1:37:20I I guess you loved her." You know,
1:37:22loved would be past tense like, "Oh,
1:37:24well, she doesn't she does not living
1:37:26anymore."
1:37:26>> No.
1:37:26>> And that's the kind of office we deal
1:37:28with. That's the kind of people we deal
1:37:29with. And I apologize to you.
1:37:30>> No, no, no. The love thing we thought
1:37:33that's why we separated, sir.
1:37:36And you can't you can't be in love with
1:37:38the person. You can respect the person
1:37:39and care for them because of who they
1:37:42are. But you you can't be in love with
1:37:44two people.
1:37:46That's why we went like that. And that's
1:37:48why me and her stay in the same
1:37:49conversation. We had the same me and
1:37:52Elizabeth were same alike.
1:37:55>> We were laugh at stupid [ __ ]
1:37:58>> The thing is
1:37:59>> now is love a person. Yes.
1:38:02>> In love with in love with a person. No,
1:38:05we weren't. We were in love when we got
1:38:07married.
1:38:07>> Right.
1:38:08>> Cuz it it it was so correct. But to love
1:38:12a person Yeah.
1:38:17you know, um,
1:38:23the last thing that you talked to her
1:38:24about,
1:38:26did y'all in on a good I mean, the last
1:38:28time you talked to her, obviously when
1:38:30you said, "I got to go and and before
1:38:32you took off from Kennedy
1:38:34>> or when you pulled over on the side of
1:38:36the road,
1:38:37>> were was there was she mad at you or
1:38:39something?"
1:38:39>> No,
1:38:40>> there was no anger or anything?
1:38:42>> None of us were mad. We we weren't
1:38:44pissed. What what did what did y'all
1:38:46talk about in that last conversation?
1:38:52>> She felt bad
1:38:55told her be careful. I did. And then we
1:38:58were talking about the whole thing about
1:39:00the the people that were stuck in the
1:39:04before uh in the 18 meter cuz supposedly
1:39:08she had two she had people inside the
1:39:10hospital and she was working the during
1:39:11the day and they call people and she was
1:39:13there at the hospital.
1:39:15So I say I just I go just be careful be
1:39:18safe cuz it was raining and she drives a
1:39:21bad hell because she does have a ticket
1:39:23and she can't afford a ticket. all her
1:39:25history that I know she didn't getting
1:39:27tickets when she was doing Arizona.
1:39:28She'll pick up a ticket going uh passing
1:39:31curve bill so she'll get a ticket.
1:39:35But that's how it was.
1:39:39We're using past tense again. It's like
1:39:41that's how it was. We need to stop using
1:39:44the past tense cuz she's she's dead.
1:39:46She's alive. She's
1:39:48>> No, I'm hoping she is. No, but this is
1:39:50the way I talk. This is the way my mind.
1:39:52>> Well, we're using past tense and it
1:39:54almost it sounds creepy to me because
1:39:56I'm doing the same thing. It's like
1:39:58that's a past tense. It stops.
1:40:00>> But I'm going to tell you right now, I'm
1:40:01not very educated like Elizabeth.
1:40:03Elizabeth always corrected me like on
1:40:05words and how to say this and and like,
1:40:08okay, well,
1:40:09>> she would correct you on words.
1:40:10>> No, she wouldn't correct me in front of
1:40:12people. She would have told me like,
1:40:13hey, I don't do this in front of people.
1:40:15I don't want to disrespect you or make
1:40:17you look blow or anything like that.
1:40:19And I told her, I go, "Look, this is the
1:40:20way I've been brought up all my life and
1:40:22this is the way I come." She go, "It
1:40:24seems kind of raw." I go, "I know, but
1:40:26the way you speak is a different thing
1:40:28compared to what I I know you speak and
1:40:30all that."
1:40:30>> Did that piss you off?
1:40:31>> No. Why?
1:40:33>> Cuz she crying to you.
1:40:34>> No, sir. Because even at the court when
1:40:36we went into the court,
1:40:38>> Uhhuh.
1:40:38>> I I praised her. I even told her in
1:40:40front of the judge. I was like, "Oh,
1:40:42because the Lord kept bashing me." And
1:40:46uh I told her like, "Well, did you get
1:40:49involved with the the my my uh my
1:40:53client's sister?" I go, "Yeah, I did. I
1:40:55did get involved."
1:40:56>> But y'all were y'all were divorced when
1:40:58y'all were getting involved, right?
1:40:59>> What do you mean?
1:41:01>> You You were talking about earlier.
1:41:04>> Yeah. Were you divorced already when you
1:41:06got involved? You were You were
1:41:07divorced?
1:41:08>> No, sir. Me and I has never been
1:41:09married.
1:41:09>> Okay. You just got
1:41:11>> Yeah. We went together for so many years
1:41:13and then uh I'm telling you Elizabeth
1:41:17was my first wife,
1:41:18>> right?
1:41:18>> And I told her I would never marry never
1:41:21marry again.
1:41:22>> Wow.
1:41:22>> And I told everybody in the court
1:41:24because we're recording at this age very
1:41:27why why would you not marry her?
1:41:30>> Huh?
1:41:30>> Why wouldn't you marry another person
1:41:32again? Was it that that that's how much
1:41:34you loved her or something?
1:41:35>> Yeah. It's one of those things because I
1:41:37seen it like my mom. She married my dad
1:41:40and she never remarried.
1:41:42Even though her boyfriend wanted to get
1:41:43married, but she thought, "No, I don't
1:41:45want to go that route no more. I'm done.
1:41:48I'd rather just be this with somebody."
1:41:50And my uncle Gabriel is the same thing.
1:41:52My uncle Junior, my uncle, it's it's
1:41:55like a thing in the family. It's been
1:41:57like that.
1:42:00>> Well, I'm going to get going.
1:42:02>> Uh I hope everything turns out. Like I
1:42:04said, I had to drop by and everything
1:42:06and talk to you. I didn't know what kind
1:42:07of was going on. Now, please, if there's
1:42:11if there's something else we need to
1:42:12pray about, let's pray. I mean,
1:42:14>> just we miss Elizabeth.
1:42:18That's it.
1:42:20I need my name cleared.
1:42:23>> Well, it doesn't matter about your name.
1:42:24Who gives a [ __ ] about your name?
1:42:26>> Yes, sir. But this guy just comes down.
1:42:28>> But no, the your name has nothing to do
1:42:30with this anymore. The first important
1:42:32thing and foremost, the most important
1:42:34thing is finding her.
1:42:35>> No, I agree. That's what she should be
1:42:36worried about, not about your name.
1:42:37>> No, I am because with her the story
1:42:40ends. The story ends with everything of
1:42:43me being anything.
1:42:46And I told her it's like I told the
1:42:48other one I go and she needs to come
1:42:50because she's the only one.
1:42:54Alice,
1:42:55>> I told her, are you the only one?
1:42:58>> Where where do you think if if I had to
1:43:00go try to find her right now? Cuz I'm
1:43:02probably going to get sent out to try to
1:43:04find her. I just have a strange feeling
1:43:06they're going to say, "Hey, you need to
1:43:07go start looking. Where do you think I
1:43:10should start?"
1:43:11>> I don't know, sir.
1:43:12>> You were on the phone last with her. I
1:43:13mean, when you talked to her, she
1:43:15distressed.
1:43:16>> Which Walmart?
1:43:17>> Sound distressed? Oh, she was just
1:43:19>> No, I'm asking you. Was she in distress
1:43:21when she when you last talked to her?
1:43:22How did she sound?
1:43:23>> Nothing. She was distressed. She was at
1:43:25Walmart. But I don't even know what
1:43:27Walmart.
1:43:27>> You don't know which Walmart?
1:43:28>> No. Why would she go anywhere around
1:43:32Walmart if she lives right there on on
1:43:34pin road? The nearest Walmart from there
1:43:37is 151. You got the one in Valley High.
1:43:40>> Mhm.
1:43:41>> The other one is St. Cloud. But why
1:43:43would you go that way?
1:43:44>> Do But you said something about going to
1:43:46check her work schedule at work.
1:43:48>> No, that's what they said.
1:43:49>> That's what they said. So she was
1:43:51supposed to go check Who's they Who said
1:43:52that? Uh
1:43:53>> Joe and the mom.
1:43:54>> Okay. So she had to check her work
1:43:56schedule at work.
1:43:59That made no sense.
1:44:00>> No, it doesn't.
1:44:01>> Why would you go?
1:44:02>> So, that means maybe she hit the Walmart
1:44:03right there at 37.
1:44:05>> I don't know, sir. I don't know. I just
1:44:09told you right now. It doesn't make no
1:44:10sense. Why would you not call?
1:44:12>> Would you ever see her? Would you ever
1:44:14see her like in the past? Did you ever
1:44:16hook up with her and see her somewhere?
1:44:18Eat lunch with her? What?
1:44:19>> On routes? No. There's no way.
1:44:21>> On anything. Did you ever see her?
1:44:22>> No, we have cameos.
1:44:24>> No, I'm not talking about at work. Like
1:44:25did you ever meet up with her to see
1:44:27her? Eat lunch with her maybe somewhere.
1:44:30You never like met her somewhere?
1:44:32>> Oh no. Uh
1:44:35peace. But this is like way before like
1:44:39when the kids were going to school.
1:44:40We'll meet up and talk. But it was
1:44:42nothing major.
1:44:44>> Maybe maybe that's why she told them
1:44:46that she was going to go to the hospital
1:44:48cuz she maybe she was trying to see you.
1:44:50Maybe she was going to make a plan to
1:44:51come see you. She knew maybe you were
1:44:54coming down from Kennedy and she's like,
1:44:56"Well, [ __ ] I'll I'll tell him at
1:44:58work." She would have told me over the
1:44:59thing.
1:45:00>> Maybe it was a surprise until you got
1:45:02close. I don't know.
1:45:05>> Maybe she had made plans to see you that
1:45:07day and that would have been just right
1:45:09there. She said she was going to go
1:45:11check her work schedule. That would have
1:45:12put her at Mission Hospital, which is
1:45:14right there off 37 in the military.
1:45:17>> Do you think that's a possibility? Maybe
1:45:18I should start looking there.
1:45:20>> Yeah, but how
1:45:22If she was going to surprise me, she
1:45:24would have told me something to do. I
1:45:25would have missed her.
1:45:27You know what I mean? Because once you
1:45:29coming into the thing, you're going 70
1:45:31miles per hour until you get to a
1:45:33certain spot and then you go 65. And
1:45:36River City Base is not that easy to
1:45:38maneuver with a big ass truck like that.
1:45:40>> Where were Where was the last place you
1:45:42pulled over to talk to her on the phone?
1:45:45Uh
1:45:45>> you're looking between
1:45:51>> [snorts]
1:45:54>> between uh Carter City and before I got
1:45:57to
1:45:59what's the other town?
1:46:03No, before Florenceville
1:46:05before Pope because you got false city.
1:46:08>> Mhm.
1:46:08>> So I think it was just right after city.
1:46:10>> Okay. And that's the last time you
1:46:12pulled over in the side. That would have
1:46:14been at what time?
1:46:15>> I said it didn't be 11:00.
1:46:18>> Dang it.
1:46:20But I still have the trouble in words.
1:46:24>> Right.
1:46:26Okay. Well, if you ever need to pray or
1:46:29anything, I'm Mark.
1:46:31>> Yes, sir. Thank you. I appreciate it.
1:46:32>> All right. And I hope to God and I'm
1:46:35going to pray say a prayer uh that uh
1:46:39hopefully when they find her um
1:46:44everything turns out.
1:46:46>> I hope so, sir.
1:46:47>> Cuz like I said, I spent two weeks
1:46:50with kids that had no parents anymore.
1:46:54>> I know.
1:46:57I really mean right now.
1:46:59>> And I hope you know she wasn't. You know
1:47:02how people are these days. If she was
1:47:03out shopping, maybe someone tried to rob
1:47:06her. I don't know that the world we live
1:47:08in is is is crap.
1:47:09>> I just put it on. I I even tell my kids
1:47:11it's like
1:47:13it's like the world's going to end
1:47:15because a lot of things are happening.
1:47:16No war. They want to stop wars Korea.
1:47:18They want this climate war is coming up
1:47:22and is the whole world just changing a
1:47:25lot and it never used to be back on the
1:47:27days like that.
1:47:29>> It's bad. Hey, who's who's a I heard a
1:47:32name out there?
1:47:36>> Sylvia
1:47:38>> Kelia.
1:47:39>> Sylvia Gera.
1:47:42Do you know Sylvia Gara or Terry
1:47:45>> Pena?
1:47:46>> Yeah. Terry Pena. Oh, that's somebody I
1:47:49used to be with.
1:47:51>> They're like girlfriends.
1:47:54>> Yeah. Uh, no. It was a side thing
1:47:57before I got with Elizabeth. But that's
1:48:00why it's it was a mess. The mom, the the
1:48:03mother of my kids got with her and then
1:48:07they were going to try to destroy my
1:48:09marriage with Elizabeth.
1:48:12That's why I say I know when it comes to
1:48:13lies, I know I had lied. It was like
1:48:16[ __ ] that I was treating me. And
1:48:19>> and that was with Terry.
1:48:20>> Yeah, that was just Terry Bren.
1:48:22>> And who's Sylvia?
1:48:25>> I don't even know what you talking
1:48:26about.
1:48:26>> Sylvia Gera.
1:48:29>> I don't know. Sia,
1:48:32I know. Sia. I
1:48:34>> That may be it. I I just I was just
1:48:36>> Oh, that was her aunt.
1:48:37>> That was her. Who's aunt?
1:48:39>> Uh
1:48:41>> whose aunt? Sorry. Addison.
1:48:43>> Who's that?
1:48:44>> Uh, Addis, the mother of my kids.
1:48:46>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay.
1:48:48>> So, it it was one of those things. It
1:48:50was like, okay.
1:48:52>> So, they're trying to destroy you.
1:48:54>> Uh, they have pictures and all that that
1:48:57like I took pictures and
1:49:00like text and all that and that that
1:49:02guy, that girl Terry will hold on to.
1:49:06She wouldn't like delete them or
1:49:08anything like that. You know when you
1:49:09you're messing about somebody so you
1:49:11won't get caught or anything like that.
1:49:13But she had all that information. So
1:49:15Alice
1:49:17Alice was mad because I was married to
1:49:18her sister. So they ended up meeting at
1:49:21the
1:49:23the place where we were living at and
1:49:25then they showed her the they were
1:49:26showing like the text and all this.
1:49:31So it was like all right. I guess
1:49:34for somebody that didn't want to be part
1:49:36of your life and all that. really trying
1:49:38to destroy your life. And then uh we had
1:49:41we had to do a police report on Joe
1:49:43because he was parked right there. I
1:49:44didn't even know he was him. Went in the
1:49:46apartment. I told uh Elizabeth, I was
1:49:48like, "Hey, do you know anything? What
1:49:51does Joe drive?" She's like, "Well, he
1:49:53drives an SUV and all that. Does he have
1:49:55the plate check on in front? Has he got
1:49:57in his place?" He goes, "No." And then
1:50:00she came outside and goes, "Yep, that's
1:50:01him." Cuz he was driving away already.
1:50:04So we called the police on that. But
1:50:06there was a case on that, too.
1:50:13>> Tell your boss.
1:50:15>> You sorry?
1:50:16>> No, I tell you, boss.
1:50:19>> You did. You just say you're sorry?
1:50:21>> No, I said I tell you, boss. Oh,
1:50:24>> okay.
1:50:25>> I thought you said I'm sorry, boss. I'm
1:50:28like, sorry for what? Oh,
1:50:30>> I have nothing to be sorry about.
1:50:33>> Yeah.
1:50:38I was supposed to call my phone
1:50:42cigarette
1:50:44and I didn't bring my cigarette. They
1:50:45said I don't be able to smoke. So
1:50:49knew I'm not to drive. So
1:50:51>> you need something to drink?
1:50:52>> Yes, sir.
1:50:53>> What do you want?
1:50:54>> Well, water. I don't care.
1:50:55>> I'll give you water. Maybe that's good.
1:50:56All right. I'll be right back. Hey, sir.
1:51:10I'll leave this for you. That's the
1:51:12picture I'm talking about.
1:51:15I studied a whole lot of Bible and uh as
1:51:20you can see a lot of a lot of people
1:51:23like they say oh well no you felt no
1:51:25pain because you know he was this he
1:51:28felt pain he felt a lot of pain and to
1:51:30me those are the tears that wash away
1:51:33our sins right there that's very
1:51:36important picture to me very important I
1:51:38want you to have that and as you can see
1:51:41the face of that's what they call it
1:51:43because He loved us. He didn't know any
1:51:46of us, but he knew what was going to
1:51:48happen in this world. He knew everyone
1:51:51was full of sand. Everyone sins. I don't
1:51:54care who you are.
1:51:56Everyone sins in this world from our
1:52:00anyone you talk to. I don't care who you
1:52:02talk to. Everyone is going to sin in
1:52:05this world. But the way to get inside
1:52:07that kingdom
1:52:09is to repent your sins. You tell you
1:52:12tell everyone. You tell the man
1:52:14upstairs. You say, "Sir,
1:52:16Lord, I I'm I'm ready. I'm ready to tell
1:52:19you what happened.
1:52:21This is my sins of today. Please help me
1:52:26to get rid of them."
1:52:27>> You got a picture of my wife.
1:52:29>> Oh, that's I pulled this off the desk. I
1:52:33just wanted to see. So, this is
1:52:35>> That's my wife.
1:52:38>> Beautiful little girl.
1:52:40>> Wow. Those are some of the kids I saw
1:52:43out there
1:52:44>> cuz I got pictures of them.
1:52:46Well, I still have it on me, but
1:52:50I have to hide my D so I won't piss
1:52:52people off.
1:52:57>> Oh, I'm going to say I'm going to say a
1:52:58lot of prayers tonight. In fact,
1:53:00tomorrow when I go to church, I'm off
1:53:02tomorrow unless uh of course, you know,
1:53:05they tell me to come in and start
1:53:07searching.
1:53:10Wow. But the thing is, I'm going to
1:53:12church tomorrow and I'm going to go talk
1:53:15to the father and I'm going to pull him
1:53:17aside and we're going to have a little
1:53:19prayer, a little get together to make
1:53:22this to resolve this and to uh to ease
1:53:27your pain, the pain that you're going
1:53:29through right now.
1:53:30Um, this just
1:53:36life is uh life is a little weird
1:53:38sometimes, man.
1:53:40>> I always say our life is precious. You
1:53:43live every moment to us cuz you only got
1:53:46one life.
1:53:47>> That's right.
1:53:48>> And that's the way me and Elizabeth
1:53:49lived it. We We didn't live it safe. Me
1:53:53and Elizabeth lived it to the bullets.
1:53:57It it was it was uh I don't think you
1:54:02probably saved too much. No, I'm not
1:54:04talking about save like anything like
1:54:06that, but like not going skydiving or
1:54:09being doing this and all that. At the
1:54:11end when you die, can you actually say
1:54:13you live your life? No, you didn't. You
1:54:15just played to save.
1:54:17>> Let me ask you something right now. If
1:54:19God was to take you away right now from
1:54:21this world, right now as we're speaking
1:54:23right now, and you had a massive heart
1:54:25attack right now, would you go to
1:54:27heaven?
1:54:28>> Yes, sir.
1:54:32>> Yeah. What?
1:54:36>> You've washed all your sins and
1:54:37everything.
1:54:38>> Yes, sir.
1:54:38>> Everything that you possibly could
1:54:41could.
1:54:41>> I did.
1:54:42>> Good.
1:54:43>> Even even the the the thing the Terry B
1:54:46and all that. I I told I told her
1:54:49Elizabeth the only thing that that me
1:54:52and Elizabeth did it was we trying to
1:54:54hide it from the other thing because she
1:54:55didn't want her family to back like her
1:54:57thing her biggest destruction and what
1:54:59hurt me is that her dad didn't talk to
1:55:00her because of me
1:55:04and I told I go I I I caused that pain
1:55:06for you. It was all my fault. No, no,
1:55:10babe. It's not your fault. Now you got
1:55:11to understand it. Cuz if you never
1:55:13gotten with me, your dad would never
1:55:15hate you or he wouldn't be saying all
1:55:17this. She still would have been talking
1:55:19to her brother Robber or she still would
1:55:21have been talking to her dad. And the
1:55:24thing the relationship with the the
1:55:25sisters, it would have probably been
1:55:26different.
1:55:28But God was me and that was one of those
1:55:30things that
1:55:32I'm the bad person.
1:55:34And I told her, I go, you know, I
1:55:37understand where I come from and all
1:55:38that, but
1:55:40they shouldn't judge me.
1:55:43They done a lot of horrible things.
1:55:45>> No one should judge anyone, right?
1:55:46>> Yeah. And I told her and I I told her
1:55:48about they shouldn't judge me just the
1:55:52way I don't judge them. But they had
1:55:53done so many wrong things and support
1:55:56with some things that are wrong. But you
1:55:59know what? I don't get into their
1:56:00business. That's why I stay out of out
1:56:02of people's business.
1:56:04And from the on I haven't haven't lied.
1:56:07The only thing is not telling Alice at
1:56:10me and Elizabeth communicated because
1:56:12then she she got kind of mad
1:56:16and and I told I like to make nobody
1:56:18>> who got mad
1:56:21>> I was talking to Elizabeth
1:56:25and again I just didn't know that
1:56:27Elizabeth knew uh I did not know that
1:56:29Elizabeth was talking to Jennifer cuz I
1:56:32even knew about the the story with Jenny
1:56:34that she was having trouble and that she
1:56:37to go spend time with uh Elizabeth. I go
1:56:39maybe she needs need that that the heart
1:56:41the heart of the sister to have time
1:56:43with her because she was going through
1:56:44some things too in the land and I was
1:56:46like I I never expected uh to uh
1:56:49Jennifer to be breaking down the way
1:56:50she's breaking down. I thought she was
1:56:52more solid.
1:56:53>> When was the last time you saw
1:56:55Elizabeth?
1:56:56>> Tuesday.
1:56:58>> Tuesday.
1:56:59>> And you talked to her last Wednesday.
1:57:01Wednesday, no 12.
1:57:08>> I wish I knew where to start
1:57:11>> cuz I know I'm going to probably get
1:57:13called in as a volunteer.
1:57:26You see what I'm talking about? Everyone
1:57:28People don't I try telling people in the
1:57:31office I'm a real religious guy in the
1:57:33office. Everyone's like, you know,
1:57:35everyone cusses up a storm.
1:57:37>> Yeah.
1:57:37>> And then me it's like I you know I tell
1:57:39like hey settle down you know don't
1:57:41don't be cussing like that.
1:57:43>> I'm going to be a man do. Why do you
1:57:44have to be like that?
1:57:45>> Yeah. So it's like around the office I
1:57:46try to try to you know show people the
1:57:50religious way. And uh so I I tend to
1:57:54show this picture a lot to people I talk
1:57:56to.
1:57:58A lot of people you get to and a lot of
1:57:59people they exactly but and then I ask
1:58:03him the meaning the peace of love the
1:58:05the face of love on the bottom and I and
1:58:07I asked him I know what what do you
1:58:09think that means?
1:58:13Why do you think that's that's the face
1:58:14of love if he's there crying? He looks
1:58:17like he's in pain. And a lot of people
1:58:19don't get it but it's the face of love
1:58:21because he's crying. He's washing away
1:58:23man's sins. He's he's he's dying for
1:58:27each and every one of us. And that's how
1:58:29you get to his kingdom. And like you and
1:58:31I said, you understand, you grew up the
1:58:34way uh I did is uh this is just a pass
1:58:39through down here. You're going to live
1:58:41the rest of your life wherever he deems
1:58:43that you live it. Whether you live it
1:58:46and and down to the other place or
1:58:50upstairs, he you going to live there the
1:58:53rest of your life. This is just a pass
1:58:54through here.
1:59:05Does this little girl go to church?
1:59:08>> Uh, not that long. Don't wonder if I can
1:59:11get a hold of the family and
1:59:14start getting a little girl to church.
1:59:16>> Yeah, she was supposed to do uh I know
1:59:18she wasn't here. she stopped going
1:59:22>> and uh Isabelle was trying to get her
1:59:24into some support because she was
1:59:25gaining weight and all that. I was like,
1:59:26"She's a kid. She's going to gain
1:59:28weight." You know, you just got to let
1:59:29it go with it.
1:59:31You can't stop a kid not eating. You
1:59:34know,
1:59:35I go, "Nobody stopped us when we were
1:59:37little."
1:59:41>> Yeah.
1:59:43I don't know. Like I said, I'm just
1:59:45rambling on. And
1:59:48sometimes we do [ __ ] that we don't mean
1:59:50to do, but
1:59:53>> Yeah. But this the end it's like we have
1:59:55to we have to answer to it.
1:59:58>> Yeah. But [ __ ] what you're talking about
2:00:00is you get into a fist fight by somebody
2:00:02else.
2:00:04>> The [ __ ] that you don't mean to do. It's
2:00:06like getting you get into a fist fight
2:00:08by somebody else or do something. the
2:00:10things, you know, where this is coming
2:00:13on and they found blood on their thing.
2:00:15I don't even know this her thing. I
2:00:16don't even know where they found the
2:00:17car.
2:00:20So, I don't get it.
2:00:21>> I I don't even know anything. I just
2:00:23thought I'd stop by and talk to you. It
2:00:26sounded like you maybe needed a needed
2:00:28Lord on on your side today or you needed
2:00:31something to to talk religion about
2:00:34because sometimes we get wrapped around
2:00:36all this other crap that goes on in the
2:00:37office.
2:00:38And it's like I'm I didn't even know
2:00:40anything. I like I said I've been gone
2:00:41two and a half weeks in Mexico. But uh
2:00:45>> somebody went down there so bad.
2:00:48>> I am too. But guess what? When you have
2:00:49a calling,
2:00:51when the guy upstairs says you got a
2:00:52calling, you got to go. You got to
2:00:54answer.
2:00:55>> Just like I answered to everything that
2:00:57I do in this life. If I do something
2:00:59wrong tonight, I'll repent my sins,
2:01:01John.
2:01:05And like you like you do every night.
2:01:07You do the same thing.
2:01:13>> Okay, sir. Thank you, sir.
2:01:15>> Have a seat. Let me uh let me find out
2:01:17what's going on.
2:01:18>> I appreciate it, sir.
2:01:24>> Okay. You ready to go home?
2:01:25>> Yes, sir.
2:01:26>> Okay.
2:01:26>> You want to take that picture with you?
2:01:28>> Oh, yeah.
2:01:28>> Okay.
2:01:29>> Yeah, I'm going to take it.
2:01:30>> Okay.
2:01:33Wow.
2:01:39>> Lupe, you remember me? I'm Detective
2:01:40Angel. I gave you the polygraph test.
2:01:42>> Sure.
2:01:43>> Okay. Well, just I know you've been
2:01:44sitting here a little while. They're
2:01:46almost done. They're going to take you
2:01:48out. Okay. The media is going to be out
2:01:50there, just so you know.
2:01:52>> Are you serious?
2:01:52>> Oh, yeah. It's It's a The police
2:01:55interested in this case. Well, I was
2:01:57going to tell you manto man is if you
2:01:59ever watch them when they take somebody
2:02:01out of there
2:02:03trying to hide their face, look them in
2:02:04the eye. Look those cameras in the eye.
2:02:08Don't look like a guilty person hiding
2:02:10your face and trying to cover yourself
2:02:11up.
2:02:11>> I'm not guilty, sir.
2:02:12>> That's what I mean. If you're not
2:02:14guilty, look him in the eye and tell
2:02:15them you're not guilty.
2:02:16>> I know.
2:02:17>> Okay. Um, like I said, it'll be about 5
2:02:20minutes. Okay.
2:02:21>> You got anything to drink? Cle? If it
2:02:24was going to be any longer, I'd un
2:02:26handcuff you and get you something to
2:02:27drink. But there they they'll be here in
2:02:29just a minute. So, we'll be we'll be
2:02:30getting you out of here. Stay awake.
2:02:31You'll be out of here in a second.
2:02:37>> After hours of questioning and years of
2:02:39courtroom litigation, the case against
2:02:41Guadalupe Contras ultimately came down
2:02:43to whether the evidence told a coherent
2:02:45and credible story about Elizabeth
2:02:47Contraras's [music]
2:02:48final night. Prosecutors argued that
2:02:50phone records, GPS data, and forensic
2:02:53findings [music] all pointed in the same
2:02:54direction, placing Guadalupe with
2:02:56Elizabeth and linking him to the
2:02:58location where her body was later found.
2:03:01The defense maintained his [music]
2:03:02innocence, challenging the timeline and
2:03:04the integrity of the investigation,
2:03:06particularly in light of evidence that
2:03:07was [music] lost before the first trial.
2:03:09In February 2025, a Bazar County jury
2:03:12rejected those defenses. [music]
2:03:14Guadalupe Contraus was found guilty of
2:03:16murdering his aranged wife by
2:03:18strangulation. He was sentenced [music]
2:03:20to 75 years in Texas prison, a
2:03:23punishment that ensures he will spend
2:03:25decades behind bars for Elizabeth's
2:03:27death. His conviction [music] is now
2:03:29under direct appeal. But unless
2:03:31overturned, the sentence stands as the
2:03:34legal conclusion to a case marked by
2:03:35secrecy, [music] fractured
2:03:37relationships, and a crime that left
2:03:39forever damage to multiple families. If
2:03:42you found this video informative, please
2:03:43consider leaving [music] a like and
2:03:45subscribing to the channel as it really
2:03:47helps support our work and allows us to
2:03:49continue covering important stories like
2:03:50this one. Thank you.

About this transcript

This page contains the full transcript of Secret Rendezvous Murder | Guadalupe Contreras Interrogation by The Interrogator Files, generated from the public captions YouTube serves with the video. The transcript has 23,996 words across 3,696 segments, with the original timestamps preserved so you can click any line to jump to that moment in the embedded player.

What you can do with it

Use the transcript to take notes, quote the speaker, build a study guide, generate a summary with ChatGPT or Claude via the YouTube Summary tool, or export it as a timed subtitle file with YouTube to SRT. You can also re-open it in the transcriber to choose a caption track available on the video.

Free YouTube transcript tool

YouTube2Text is a free YouTube transcript generator — no signup, no daily limit. Paste any YouTube link and get the full transcript instantly, with timestamps, click-to-jump, caption language selection, AI prompts for ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini, and exports to TXT, SRT, VTT, or Markdown.