(SEALED) OCCB ONGOING INVESTIGATION - 10/16/1998 - AUDIO TAPE #2 — Transcript

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1. 0:01Ah, we're good.
2. 0:08>> You think it's [ __ ] here?
3. 0:12>> Okay, so we were last where
4. 0:16remind me we were talking about
5. 0:18um
6. 0:19what's his name?
7. 0:22The fat guy, right?
8. 0:24>> Freaky G.
9. 0:26>> Yeah, Freaky G.
10. 0:27>> Oh, Fat Doug, not Fat Doug. Freaky
11. 0:30>> yeah, we're talking about Freaky G, too.
12. 0:32>> Yeah.
13. 0:32>> The guy with the [ __ ] up hair. So,
14. 0:34what is Freaky G's role and who is he
15. 0:36affiliated with?
16. 0:38>> Freaky G is affiliated with East East
17. 0:40Harlem Hustlers. He's like a He's like
18. 0:42He's He Right now, he's in some conflict
19. 0:45with Fat Doug and AV because Freaky They
20. 0:48feel like Freaky G is working with the
21. 0:49North Harlem Hustlers and trying to like
22. 0:52line them, but Freaky G is really like
23. 0:54he's a big head. Like he's trying to
24. 0:56make his own crew right now. He's
25. 0:58serving mad dope to everybody, but AV
26. 1:01and Fat Doug are like they they're
27. 1:04serving dope, but they some smackers.
28. 1:06Like they will pop They
29. 1:08They kill somebody. They They lay [ __ ]
30. 1:10down. They kill [ __ ] Like Like
31. 1:12I said, AV killed his own nephew and Fat
32. 1:14Doug
33. 1:16stepped Fat Doug got people who will
34. 1:18ride who The [ __ ] will ride or
35. 1:20die for that man. Like I'm telling you.
36. 1:23Fat Doug hit the pavement same day he
37. 1:25had he had this [ __ ] named Tata
38. 1:27go out and kill for him.
39. 1:28Right, they some [ __ ] killers.
40. 1:31>> Okay.
41. 1:32So, I'm just going to ask some questions
42. 1:34about the general climate of North you
43. 1:36know, North Harlem and Harlem and East
44. 1:38Harlem. Let's just go all of our guys
45. 1:40with North, okay? So, from my
46. 1:42understanding
47. 1:43you've just detailed me the North Harlem
48. 1:46Hustlers.
49. 1:47>> Yeah, North Harlem Hustlers and East
50. 1:48Harlem.
51. 1:49>> and
52. 1:49>> No, no, no.
53. 1:51No, so AV, Fat Doug, Freaky G are all
54. 1:55East Harlem Hustlers, but
55. 1:58they think Freaky G's working with the
56. 2:00North Highland Hustlers.
57. 2:02And that's why there's a little bit of
58. 2:03conflict. There's like internal conflict
59. 2:05going on with them.
60. 2:06That's dividing people and it's I ain't
61. 2:09going to lie, it's about to be a real
62. 2:10bloody winter. I'mma be honest. Like
63. 2:12>> Okay.
64. 2:13>> Like it's going to be a real bloody
65. 2:14winter. Like yeah.
66. 2:16>> All right. I see.
67. 2:17So, the North Highland Hustlers and the
68. 2:20East Highland Hustlers are running some
69. 2:22kind of alliance, correct? What kind of
70. 2:24alliance?
71. 2:25>> right now. So, the beef North Highland
72. 2:27Hustlers and there's the East Highland
73. 2:28Hustlers. They're at They're They're
74. 2:29beefing. They've been beefing for a
75. 2:31while.
76. 2:32They're beefing over territory, [ __ ]
77. 2:34like that. It sort of slowed down, but
78. 2:37it's still like it's still Yeah, it's
79. 2:40still a little bit of tension.
80. 2:43>> Okay, so we've We've designated who's in
81. 2:45the East Highland Hustlers, right? We
82. 2:47know who's in the East Highland
83. 2:48Hustlers. So, who's in the North
84. 2:49Highland Hustlers?
85. 2:51>> I ain't going to lie, I don't know any
86. 2:52names of the North Highland cuz like I
87. 2:54said, I was running with East Highland.
88. 2:56I was slinging dope for them. So, I
89. 2:58don't really know too many North
90. 2:59Highland, but you feel me? I could I I
91. 3:02know from voices and faces. Like if
92. 3:04y'all need me, I could get names to
93. 3:06faces easy. But I'm just saying
94. 3:09the way it's looking right now is
95. 3:12Freaky G will In the next two, three
96. 3:16weeks, he's probably going to get killed
97. 3:17by AV and Fat Doug and all his people.
98. 3:21The East Highland [ __ ] They're
99. 3:22going to kill their own person. Freaky G
100. 3:25because Freaky G right now is trying to
101. 3:27like build his own [ __ ] up inside of
102. 3:29East Highland.
103. 3:30He's trying to get a name for himself.
104. 3:32And I ain't going to lie, he's doing it.
105. 3:33He got a lot of dope he's serving. He
106. 3:35He's making a name, but they don't like
107. 3:36that [ __ ] cuz they're control freaks and
108. 3:39they'll kill anybody for some power out
109. 3:41here. Like that's just how it go.
110. 3:43>> Okay.
111. 3:44Okay, so we we Now now we have it all
112. 3:47laid out.
113. 3:48>> Mhm.
114. 3:48>> These guys in North Highland, these guys
115. 3:50in East Highland
116. 3:51>> And then the Dominicans are on the East
117. 3:54They're on Zena time. Yeah.
118. 3:57>> Yeah, so they're on Zena time and
119. 3:58they're up in Northwood.
120. 4:00>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
121. 4:01>> Okay, I understand.
122. 4:02>> leader is Munchie. Munchie. He he he
123. 4:04buys all the dope from them. They kill
124. 4:06they they they kill [ __ ] too. They they
125. 4:09they got some real killers on that
126. 4:10block. They they do all that [ __ ]
127. 4:14>> Okay.
128. 4:15>> And me and Munchie are real close. Like
129. 4:17I ain't going to lie, it kind of hurt me
130. 4:18to do this, but Munchie Munchie ain't
131. 4:20call me when I when I hit the fan like
132. 4:23they don't show me no love, so I don't
133. 4:24even care at this point.
134. 4:27Yeah.
135. 4:27>> So, let's so
136. 4:31Okay, okay. So, Munchie is the big wig
137. 4:34with the uh
138. 4:36with the Dominicans, right? So, I got a
139. 4:38question, man. You know Keon Banks,
140. 4:40right? Where does Keon Banks fit in all
141. 4:42this?
142. 4:43>> Keon, he's in East he's in East Highland
143. 4:46Hustlers with me. Keon's like
144. 4:48He's like he he he serves dope. He's
145. 4:51like he's like he's a little above me.
146. 4:54Um but yeah, he's mainly just a dope
147. 4:56dealer like kind of like a chief in that
148. 4:58[ __ ] but he's
149. 4:59Bro, Keon like I know Keon personally
150. 5:02like like he he got he got respect from
151. 5:05[ __ ] like Keon got my back.
152. 5:07Like that's my dog. That's why it hurt
153. 5:09me what I did what I did cuz I brought
154. 5:10heat on him. Like I feel like I did
155. 5:12this. And that's why I just want to make
156. 5:14sure Keon good like
157. 5:16like Keon he bro, he don't deserve none
158. 5:19of this [ __ ] Like I don't know if he
159. 5:20got popped cuz I ain't seen him. But he
160. 5:23don't deserve this [ __ ] Like Keon is
161. 5:24being forced to do this [ __ ] Like they
162. 5:26brought they they killed someone's in in
163. 5:29Keon's house. They they brought that
164. 5:30[ __ ] on Keon. Like they
165. 5:33they they [ __ ] him over, bro.
166. 5:35That [ __ ] just [ __ ] up. I can't I
167. 5:37can't stand by this [ __ ]
168. 5:39>> Okay. All right. I understand. I
169. 5:41understand. Look.
170. 5:43We're going to try our hardest to make
171. 5:44sure Keon's okay, all right? So, we're
172. 5:46going to do good by you guys and make
173. 5:48sure that, you know, you and Keon, you
174. 5:50know, are going to be on okay in all
175. 5:52this, okay? As long as Just again, as
176. 5:54long as we get results here. So, back to
177. 5:57um
178. 5:58back to Munchie, right?
179. 5:59>> Yeah.
180. 6:00>> Munchie, he rolls around in Northwood.
181. 6:02He's a big guy in you know, Northwood.
182. 6:05He you know, he I'm assuming he's in
183. 6:08with all the all the dealers and um
184. 6:11>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
185. 6:11>> Holland and East Holland.
186. 6:13>> Yeah, he was buying a lot of dope from
187. 6:15me, Freaky G. He buy from everybody.
188. 6:18>> Okay. So, he's a buyer. Does he supply
189. 6:20anything?
190. 6:22>> I think he supplies, too, but I mean, I
191. 6:25don't know anything about that, but he
192. 6:28Yeah, he They got They got guns, drugs,
193. 6:30everything.
194. 6:31Yeah.
195. 6:32>> Okay.
196. 6:34Okay. So, again, we're going to go back
197. 6:36to your buddies in East Holland, the big
198. 6:37guy in East Holland.
199. 6:39Is he Is he selling to the Dominicans or
200. 6:42is he buying from the Dominicans or is
201. 6:43he
202. 6:44>> So, Freaky G
203. 6:46uh sells to the Dominicans. But, AV and
204. 6:49um
205. 6:50AV and Fat Doug, I don't know if they
206. 6:52ever sell to the Dominicans. They
207. 6:55usually sell to their like little like
208. 6:57the little the little fish on the block
209. 6:59in East Holland.
210. 7:00>> Okay.
211. 7:01>> But, yeah. What's it called? AV
212. 7:05He a real grimy [ __ ] Like, he
213. 7:07grimy.
214. 7:09Like, I still can't get over how he
215. 7:10killed his own nephew.
216. 7:13>> Well, let's go further into that. So,
217. 7:16so in that Northwood apartment I'm
218. 7:18sorry, that North Holland apartment at
219. 7:21the at the Governor Greg, right? Where
220. 7:23Keon and you stay at, right?
221. 7:25>> Yeah, where we got caught.
222. 7:27>> So, you So, let me Let's Let's Let's
223. 7:30Let's go a little deep into this. So,
224. 7:31you guys Were you guys involved with
225. 7:32these guys before the the murder?
226. 7:36>> Um
227. 7:38What like What do you mean? Like, knew
228. 7:40of them?
229. 7:41>> Like, were you were you associated, were
230. 7:44you dealing with these guys? What what
231. 7:46happened? How did they get to your
232. 7:47apartment?
233. 7:48>> So,
234. 7:49it was like the day of the murder,
235. 7:52we was all chilling by this one little
236. 7:54jump. It was like this one It's this one
237. 7:56little hood off of
238. 7:57off of uh Frankfort Avenue, you know
239. 7:59that that one little back hood, the one
240. 8:01you got to pull under that bridge? We
241. 8:03was all kicked up there. We was supposed
242. 8:05to smoke and we do whatever.
243. 8:07And pretty much
244. 8:08AV pulled up with Fat Doug.
245. 8:11And
246. 8:12they was wanting to handle Breeze right
247. 8:15there and then.
248. 8:16But, [ __ ] pulled through and
249. 8:18started shooting at us.
250. 8:20And
251. 8:21AV got got hit up. Like, AV was in a
252. 8:24cast and everything the next day.
253. 8:26Or matter of fact, the next like couple
254. 8:29hours, like he got out of ICU.
255. 8:31And he was all [ __ ] up, but he was
256. 8:33like he was determined to go through
257. 8:34with this killing.
258. 8:36And Keon's crib happened to be like
259. 8:38right across the street. So, they kind
260. 8:40of forced it on Keon to bring Breeze
261. 8:43there.
262. 8:44And pretty much we all went inside. And
263. 8:47then, last I remember, I stepped out. I
264. 8:50don't know where Keon went. But, when I
265. 8:53came back in, I saw Breeze dead. And and
266. 8:57he got he had got stabbed, and AV was
267. 9:00the only one with a knife.
268. 9:02AV had a knife on him and had it on him.
269. 9:05And he was being all like inconspicuous
270. 9:07with his words. He wasn't really He was
271. 9:09beating around the bush. But, it was
272. 9:10clear as day he just killed him.
273. 9:12[ __ ] like that. And then they chopped
274. 9:13his body up and [ __ ] And yeah, like And
275. 9:16then he was saying some [ __ ] how he
276. 9:18was all sad and [ __ ] but you could tell
277. 9:20he his ass wasn't sad. Like, he was just
278. 9:23I don't know why the [ __ ] Like, they did
279. 9:25not have to kill Breeze, bro. He was
280. 9:27maybe 19. Like, they did not have to
281. 9:28kill
282. 9:30>> Okay.
283. 9:31>> Like, that [ __ ] [ __ ] me up the most.
284. 9:33Like, I started I
285. 9:35That that was the day I really started
286. 9:36using. Like I started using hard [ __ ]
287. 9:38cuz I just Like every time I closed my
288. 9:40eyes like I would see his body and I
289. 9:42would and before he died I told his ass
290. 9:45I was like, "Bro, nothing's going to
291. 9:46happen to you, bro. It's You [ __ ] up,
292. 9:48but nothing's going to happen." And and
293. 9:50they just killed him. Like I feel like
294. 9:51that [ __ ] is damn near my fault. Like
295. 9:53They They killed him, bro.
296. 9:55They killed his ass.
297. 9:57>> Well, I'll be honest with you, man. It's
298. 9:59It's not your fault, okay? These people
299. 10:01You know, it's It's a different world
300. 10:02out there, Maxwell. You know, once you
301. 10:04have I'm sure you understand that. And
302. 10:06these people, you know, they'll do
303. 10:08anything to get ahead. So, again, it's
304. 10:09not your fault in what happened to
305. 10:12Breeze, okay?
306. 10:13I'm sure
307. 10:14Could you detail, you know, Breeze's um
308. 10:17involvement in job within the
309. 10:19organization?
310. 10:21>> You said what was his?
311. 10:23>> Like what was Yeah, what was Breeze's
312. 10:25role? Was he
313. 10:26>> He was just a He was just like a little
314. 10:28youngin just slinging dope. He was like
315. 10:30a hard little corner boy. Like he would
316. 10:32just sling dope and he ended up getting
317. 10:34in the hospital and he brought the cops
318. 10:36to the trap and he got the trap locked
319. 10:39up and I heard there was like a gun and
320. 10:40some drugs in that trap. And they
321. 10:43basically got mad cuz he [ __ ] up a lot
322. 10:45of money, but like [ __ ] like that like
323. 10:47you don't need to Like he was a little
324. 10:49kid, bro. Like they did not have to kill
325. 10:51him over that [ __ ] Like
326. 10:53They could have beat his ass. They could
327. 10:54have They could have took away his work
328. 10:57for the a month or something. Bro,
329. 10:58killing him like
330. 11:00Like But I know his mom like and that's
331. 11:03his [ __ ] nephew. Like that's his
332. 11:05That's his
333. 11:06That's his man.
334. 11:08>> I understand. I understand.
335. 11:11So, uh
336. 11:13So,
337. 11:15you know, now that we detailed, you
338. 11:16know, Breeze's killing,
339. 11:19um
340. 11:20I'd like to go further into uh Breeze's
341. 11:23killer, AV is his name?
342. 11:25>> Yeah, AV Avon.
343. 11:27>> Avon. Do you know his last name?
344. 11:30>> No, I don't know his last name, but he
345. 11:31the top honcho of East Highland. Like he
346. 11:34the top honcho, like
347. 11:36Yeah, that's the big That's the big dog.
348. 11:38Like he he Yeah.
349. 11:43>> Okay. So So AV, I mean
350. 11:46what does he look like? Could you tell
351. 11:48us?
352. 11:49>> Yeah, he black. He got a goatee. He
353. 11:51usually wear like a flat hat
354. 11:54or flat brim, [ __ ] like that. He's a
355. 11:56He's kind of bulky. Uh he's not fat, but
356. 11:59he's a little bulky. Um
357. 12:02Yeah, I mean it's not He don't really
358. 12:04got have anything like
359. 12:06defining in him, but it like Like I
360. 12:09said, I could I got his number,
361. 12:11everything like that. Like I got all
362. 12:12these motherfuckers' numbers, [ __ ] like
363. 12:14that. Like
364. 12:15Like I I know their voice. I know
365. 12:16everything, man. Like I know these
366. 12:18[ __ ] I spent I spent time on
367. 12:20these corners with them, but
368. 12:22that [ __ ] That's just not the same.
369. 12:25>> So okay.
370. 12:28All right. All right. So
371. 12:30So AV's the big guy, right?
372. 12:33>> Mhm.
373. 12:34>> All right. So from AV down, how does it
374. 12:37look? Who's Who's under AV?
375. 12:44You know anyone that works for AV
376. 12:45directly and you report to or
377. 12:48>> It goes like Like I say, top of the town
378. 12:50and poles like AV AV top honcho.
379. 12:53Below him is like Fat Doug, Freaky G.
380. 12:57Like those are like
381. 12:58Keon, Fat Doug. Yeah. And then like
382. 13:01below them is like Tata and other people
383. 13:04like that. And then yeah, like
384. 13:10>> All right. So Freaky So Freaky G, Fat
385. 13:13Doug
386. 13:14and Keon. They're more like um
387. 13:16>> Like they're chiefs, like
388. 13:17>> chiefs, right? So they collect money? Do
389. 13:20they do deals? How What are What are
390. 13:22What is their job?
391. 13:23>> So they each run their own corner, like,
392. 13:26so, Fat Doug
393. 13:29Uh
394. 13:30Fat Doug, like, he run this one corner
395. 13:32called Denver, like, Denver. They call
396. 13:35it the Den Denver. He run this corner.
397. 13:37He He pushes off work to little corner
398. 13:40boys and [ __ ] And then, Freaky G run
399. 13:42the corner by the Clucking Bell. And
400. 13:45then,
401. 13:46yeah.
402. 13:47And then,
403. 13:48and then, [ __ ] like me, I kick
404. 13:52it over by the park with Keon, and
405. 13:54that's that's our little corner.
406. 13:56And yeah, AV like oversees all that
407. 13:58[ __ ] pretty much. And then, there's a
408. 14:00bunch of little hustlers and [ __ ] Ty Ty
409. 14:02one of them.
410. 14:03Um there's a bunch of them. Yeah.
411. 14:07>> All right. So, yeah, yeah. So, these um
412. 14:11these bosses, so, I'm I'm assuming these
413. 14:13I'm going to call them like captains for
414. 14:15now.
415. 14:15>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
416. 14:16>> We'll call them captains. Like, that's
417. 14:18we're going to use that colloquially and
418. 14:20just assume, you know, they're all of
419. 14:22the same rank and they hold the same
420. 14:23position. So, these captains, right?
421. 14:25All these captains,
422. 14:27do they, you know, do they enforce any
423. 14:30kind of, you know, uh
424. 14:33you know, minimum amount of money you
425. 14:34have to pay? Is there some kind of
426. 14:36>> Not not not weekly kickbacks or anything
427. 14:39like that, but