(SEALED) OCCB ONGOING INVESTIGATION — 10/16/1998 — AUDIO TAPE #1 — Transcript

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1. 0:00Um
2. 0:00>> Okay, and I want you to understand that
3. 0:02we we
4. 0:04police will ultimately you know, we're
5. 0:06we're we're we're here to help you,
6. 0:07okay, Maxwell? So, whatever you say
7. 0:09here, I want you to understand that what
8. 0:12whatever you say here, it can be
9. 0:14you know, it's going to be wrong to you.
10. 0:16I'm understanding it's going to be
11. 0:17serious. Um I just want you to
12. 0:19understand that that whatever you say
13. 0:22here is going to help you in the long
14. 0:24run, okay?
15. 0:26>> All right.
16. 0:26>> short term, you may you you might see
17. 0:28some things, you might hear some things,
18. 0:30but in the long time, what's really
19. 0:32important is keeping you, you know,
20. 0:34changing your life. And we we can do
21. 0:35that for you, okay, Maxwell?
22. 0:37>> All right, man.
23. 0:38>> call you Maxwell?
24. 0:39>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, Maxwell. Or Ikey,
25. 0:41whatever you want to call me, man.
26. 0:42>> All right. I'm going to call you
27. 0:43Maxwell, and what's your last name?
28. 0:46>> Bowman, b o w m a n.
29. 0:48>> I will be referring to you as Mr.
30. 0:50Bowman, okay? So,
31. 0:52>> All right, man.
32. 0:52>> So, Mr. Bowman, um
33. 0:54>> Yeah.
34. 0:55>> you know, just lay everything out for
35. 0:56me. I just want to hear everything you
36. 0:57have, and then I'll ask you some further
37. 0:59questions on anything else, right?
38. 1:01>> So, you want to hear like
39. 1:04me leading up to where I'm at right now,
40. 1:06or what I got arrested for last night?
41. 1:09>> Okay, let's start how you were arrested
42. 1:11last night. Let's start there.
43. 1:13>> So, I was at this little house party,
44. 1:16and there was this girl here.
45. 1:19I I don't even know her name. She was
46. 1:21some [ __ ] from Bullhead. I wasn't even
47. 1:23supposed to be there. Like, bro, I
48. 1:25didn't even want to go outside. Like,
49. 1:26you know that saying like, don't get
50. 1:28caught out your bed and [ __ ] like that?
51. 1:30Like, I was already in bed. I should
52. 1:32have just stayed in bed. Like, I don't
53. 1:33know why the [ __ ] I got out. But, I
54. 1:35ended up going to this house party,
55. 1:37and this [ __ ] was like, I I don't know
56. 1:39if she was drunk. I don't know what the
57. 1:41[ __ ] but she basically started
58. 1:43tripping, and [music] I was playing
59. 1:45around acting like I had a gun, a
60. 1:47shotgun on me. Like, I was I was
61. 1:48bullshitting. I ain't have no gun on me.
62. 1:50I was bullshitting it. And she ended up
63. 1:51calling the cops on me. And I ain't
64. 1:53going to lie, I had a little bit of dope
65. 1:54on me. I had some I had some drugs on
66. 1:56me, bro. And the police ended up you you
67. 1:59feel me pulling me over talking about oh
68. 2:01we we need to we need to search you
69. 2:03match the description of some somebody
70. 2:05and I said [ __ ] that and I ran. And
71. 2:07pretty much I I peeled off on them. I
72. 2:09took them on a high speed. Ended up
73. 2:12going back to where I live. I live over
74. 2:14in the Griz, the little housing complex
75. 2:16and I ran inside and I hid under bed and
76. 2:19[ __ ]
77. 2:20And pretty much like I just brought the
78. 2:22cops in and they jammed my man Keon up
79. 2:24and we had a bunch of dope in that house
80. 2:26and
81. 2:27like yeah, it's just like we we had a
82. 2:30whole bunch of [ __ ] in there, man. I'm
83. 2:31[ __ ] I'm worried. I'm worried. I'm
84. 2:33worried I'm going to get [ __ ] killed
85. 2:34over that [ __ ] Like I'm worried, man. I
86. 2:37And Keon Keon doesn't deserve that [ __ ]
87. 2:39Like Keon was just doing that cuz we was
88. 2:41being forced to sling. Like
89. 2:44That's just
90. 2:45>> Okay, and who was forcing you boys to
91. 2:48sling?
92. 2:49>> People in East Highland, North Highland.
93. 2:51Like these [ __ ] got no love,
94. 2:52bro. They just care about numbers and
95. 2:54when [ __ ] get popped, they
96. 2:55don't care for you, bro. That [ __ ] is
97. 2:57just a numbers game with them. I'm tired
98. 2:59of that [ __ ]
99. 3:00Like I'm tired of that [ __ ] And Keon
100. 3:02know Keon Keon's tired of that [ __ ]
101. 3:05too. Like we're both tired of that [ __ ]
102. 3:07And I'm just I'm at a point where like
103. 3:09I'll [ __ ] I'll I'll wear a wire and
104. 3:12go buy some [ __ ] off them just to prove
105. 3:13like these they're some grimy ass
106. 3:15[ __ ] bro. And I'm tired of
107. 3:17that [ __ ]
108. 3:19Like
109. 3:19>> Okay, Mr. Bowman. I'm just going to ask
110. 3:21you a few questions here, okay?
111. 3:23>> I I know names. I know faces. I I know I
112. 3:25know I know about a killing, too. I know
113. 3:27about a killing.
114. 3:28>> Okay.
115. 3:28>> I know about a murder.
116. 3:29>> here.
117. 3:30Um have you ever heard of the moniker or
118. 3:32nickname
119. 3:34Cocaine Jack?
120. 3:36>> What the [ __ ]
121. 3:38Cocaine Jack? Yeah. That's the [ __ ] Oh
122. 3:41my god,
123. 3:43That is a
124. 3:46Cocaine Jack, Freaky G. I I know about
125. 3:49all them, bro. They have they
126. 3:51they got a lot dope houses, everything.
127. 3:53I know everything.
128. 3:54>> Okay, let's start from the top down,
129. 3:56okay? Let's start with Cocaine Jack,
130. 3:58okay?
131. 3:59Cocaine Jack.
132. 4:01Do you do you know his name?
133. 4:06>> I mean
134. 4:07I'mma be honest.
135. 4:11When you deal with people like that,
136. 4:13like you feel me? Like I've only ever
137. 4:16Yeah, I mean I'm assuming Jack, but it's
138. 4:19probably not. But I've only ever heard
139. 4:21people call him it's Cocaine Jack. And I
140. 4:23I ain't going to lie, I've never even
141. 4:24really got a good look at his face, but
142. 4:27I do know his voice cuz he always had
143. 4:28like a hoodie and some glasses on, but I
144. 4:31ain't going to lie, if you show me a
145. 4:32picture, I could probably point him out.
146. 4:34I'mma be honest.
147. 4:34>> All right. I'm going to ask another
148. 4:36question here. Does he have any kind of
149. 4:37accent? Does he speak with
150. 4:40any kind of accent you maybe like you
151. 4:42don't recognize or an accent you might
152. 4:43recognize? Like you know, an actual
153. 4:46accent? Does he sound Does he sound like
154. 4:48Spanish? Does he sound black? Does he
155. 4:49sound white?
156. 4:55>> I mean, it's like
157. 4:58like I mean, yeah, he just he sound
158. 5:00he sound like like like mixed. I don't I
159. 5:03don't really know. Just he sounds black.
160. 5:05Yeah, I get I don't really know
161. 5:07cuz he
162. 5:08speaks English. He's not a Spanish
163. 5:09speaker dude. He he yeah, he speaks
164. 5:11English. It's not like that.
165. 5:14>> Okay, so
166. 5:15Cocaine Jack, we can assume means is is
167. 5:18American, right?
168. 5:19>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
169. 5:20>> Okay. Okay. Okay.
170. 5:22And could you elaborate further on these
171. 5:25these names that you mentioned after
172. 5:27that? You know
173. 5:28>> Yeah, so Freaky G, he's
174. 5:32he's one of the top dope slingers in
175. 5:34Holly.
176. 5:37>> That's Freaky G.
177. 5:39What does he look like?
178. 5:41>> He's like he's a O G. He's black.
179. 5:45He's like he has like I ain't going to
180. 5:48lie, I'm laughing cuz he got a kind of
181. 5:49[ __ ] up haircut. I used to [ __ ]
182. 5:51with him. He got a [ __ ] up haircut.
183. 5:54His [ __ ] is [ __ ] up. Like if you seen
184. 5:56him, you'd be like, "Damn, Freaky G."
185. 5:59His [ __ ] is [ __ ] up, but he's a [ __ ]
186. 6:01I don't like him cuz he he's just in it
187. 6:04for the money. He doesn't care about
188. 6:05nobody. He fronts like he cares about
189. 6:07people, is going to put money in our
190. 6:09pockets, but it's all just for him.
191. 6:11He's just I'm I'm tired of this [ __ ]
192. 6:13bro, but
193. 6:14>> Okay.
194. 6:15>> Freaky G, and then I know about him I
195. 6:16know about a couple murders, man. I know
196. 6:18about shootings. I know I know where
197. 6:20they keep their dope at, and like I know
198. 6:23everything, man.
199. 6:25>> All right, let's let's get to the
200. 6:26murders here, okay?
201. 6:28Could you detail these murders? Like
202. 6:30let's start let's start let's start
203. 6:31murder one. Let's go to the earliest
204. 6:33murder you can recall.
205. 6:35>> There was this little There was this
206. 6:36little dude named Breeze. His name was
207. 6:38Breeze. He was a little young, and he
208. 6:40[ __ ] up. He ran in this trap house
209. 6:42near the Cluckin' Bell, got this [ __ ]
210. 6:43shut down. And there was this dude named
211. 6:45Avon nephew, AV Avon.
212. 6:48He has a nephew, and he killed his
213. 6:49nephew inside inside Keon's crib. AV
214. 6:52killed his nephew. He killed his own
215. 6:54[ __ ] nephew. There's not no [ __ ]
216. 6:57There's no love in this [ __ ] even
217. 6:58blood. There's no [ __ ] love. He
218. 7:00killed his own nephew, and I [ __ ] with
219. 7:02Breeze. I [ __ ] with that little man.
220. 7:04And they killed him in cold blood just
221. 7:06cuz he [ __ ] up one time, bro. They
222. 7:08stabbed his ass and chopped his body up.
223. 7:11He was a little [ __ ] kid. AV did that
224. 7:13[ __ ]
225. 7:15And then And then there was a shooting.
226. 7:17The Dominican shot this one dude named
227. 7:19Fat Doug yester uh couple days ago. They
228. 7:22sat him in the Westminster projects.
229. 7:24They They They shot his ass up.
230. 7:26But I ain't going to lie, [ __ ] Fat Doug.
231. 7:29Tho- Those Dominicans, they stay over
232. 7:31there in the Northwood on the X. I know
233. 7:33this one dude named Munchie. He buy mad
234. 7:35dope. He buy so much dope, and he [ __ ]
235. 7:37with me, too, cuz he's bought dope from
236. 7:40me before.
237. 7:41I like I'm telling you, man, I could I I
238. 7:43could y'all could use me if y'all can
239. 7:45give me some protection, bro. I will set
240. 7:47up deals for y'all. I will wear wire.
241. 7:49Bro, I got
242. 7:50>> That's what we want, okay? Look,
243. 7:53we're going to protect you, okay? Okay,
244. 7:55Mr. Bowman, it's our job to protect you,
245. 7:57okay? And that's what we want here,
246. 7:59okay?
247. 7:59>> All right, man.
248. 8:00>> All we need is results, all right? So
249. 8:02>> All right, man. I
250. 8:02>> [clears throat]
251. 8:02>> promise I can deliver. Yo, I promise I
252. 8:04can deliver, bro. I promise.
253. 8:06>> So, as long as what you're saying is
254. 8:07true, you're going to be protected by
255. 8:09us, okay, Mr. Bowman?
256. 8:11All right, man. So, let's go back to
257. 8:13these Dominicans, right?
258. 8:15>> Yeah.
259. 8:15>> So, Dominicans shot
260. 8:18who?
261. 8:18>> All right, you see pretty much this man
262. 8:20Fat Doug pissed them off because Fat
263. 8:22Doug started fronting like he was one of
264. 8:24them. So, these Italians rolled through,
265. 8:26right? And these Italians do business
266. 8:28with the Dominicans. And the Italians
267. 8:30pulled up on Fat Doug and we was like
268. 8:32and they was like, "Do you know where uh
269. 8:33Munchie is?" And Fat Doug started Fat
270. 8:36Doug started fronting like he was a
271. 8:37Dominican, started speaking with an
272. 8:39accent, see? And he almost got Munchie
273. 8:41lined up. Munchie then came to me and he
274. 8:44was like, "Yo, your man Fat Doug is
275. 8:46tripping. I'm going to have a
276. 8:47conversation, but if that [ __ ] goes
277. 8:49left, I'm going to have to do him." And
278. 8:51so, I was like, "Bro, I don't want no I
279. 8:52don't want no dish with this [ __ ] bro.
280. 8:54Just don't involve me with this shit."
281. 8:56And pretty much me and Fat Doug was
282. 8:57kicking in in in the graves. We were
283. 8:59shooting dice.
284. 9:00Them boys pulled through and shot the
285. 9:02[ __ ] out of him. I don't I don't I
286. 9:03haven't seen Fat Doug since. I don't
287. 9:05know if he's alive. I don't know if he's
288. 9:06dead, but bro, Fat Doug and his people
289. 9:09went and shot up the Dominicans same
290. 9:12day. They're killers, bro. They're
291. 9:14killers. Them [ __ ] are
292. 9:15cold-blooded killers. Same with AV's
293. 9:17[ __ ] ass. He killed my man Breeze. I'm
294. 9:20tired of this [ __ ] man.
295. 9:22>> Okay. Okay. So, let's let's start
296. 9:25getting let's start getting, you know,
297. 9:26names to faces here. Or names to you
298. 9:28know, let's let's start marking people
299. 9:30here. So, can Is Fat Doug still alive?
300. 9:32Or is he passed away?
301. 9:34>> Fat Doug, I think yeah, yeah. I Yeah, I
302. 9:36ain't I would have been hurt if he would
303. 9:38have passed. He's He's still alive.
304. 9:40Freaky G still alive. Munchie still
305. 9:41alive. Freaky G's out on the corner
306. 9:43right [ __ ] now.
307. 9:44>> Okay, Freaky G. So, I'm going to ask you
308. 9:47a few questions about Freaky G, and I
309. 9:49just need you to answer them to the best
310. 9:51of your ability, okay?
311. 9:52>> All right, man.
312. 9:53>> Okay, so Freaky G. What does he look
313. 9:56like? Do you know what he looks like?
314. 9:58Does he have anything that makes him
315. 9:59stand out?
316. 10:01>> I'd say
317. 10:02he mostly wear the same outfit. Like
318. 10:04it's like a brown coat. He's black. He
319. 10:06has Like I said, the [ __ ] up hair and
320. 10:08[ __ ]
321. 10:09A bucket head he's usually wearing. He
322. 10:11He got a deep voice, and he got this one
323. 10:13little trap house right outside of
324. 10:15Westminster projects. I can show you the
325. 10:16exact spot. He He traps out of it. He
326. 10:18got mad bricks in there, B. I'm telling
327. 10:21you, baby. He got mad dope in there. And
328. 10:23I think he has guns and [ __ ] I know I
329. 10:26know most of them have guns. Like I can
330. 10:28lead y'all to [ __ ] bro. I know [ __ ] I
331. 10:30can lead y'all to these [ __ ]
332. 10:32traps, everything. Like
333. 10:34I like I need Like I'm tired of this
334. 10:36[ __ ] bro. There's no [ __ ] love, bro.
335. 10:39Like is What's that saying?
336. 10:42What's that saying? They're mad when the
337. 10:43rabbit finally has the gun. I'm the
338. 10:45[ __ ] rabbit now, man. I'm tired of
339. 10:47this [ __ ]
340. 10:49I'm tired of this [ __ ] bro.
341. 10:50>> Mr. Bowman. Give me one moment, all
342. 10:52right? Uh Haley, can you pause that
343. 10:54recording when you get the chance?
344. 10:56So we don't waste no space.