Scottsboro Boys — Transcript
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- 0:01okay welcome to one of these video
- 0:04lectures so
- 0:06here we are um i want to do a video
- 0:08lecture today on an event that happened
- 0:10in 1931 called the scottsboro boys by
- 0:12the way i don't even notice but from
- 0:13these lectures i moved my camera back a
- 0:16bit because i was so worried about this
- 0:17growing
- 0:19thing underneath my chin so i just
- 0:20didn't want to frighten anyone also
- 0:22today my shoulder is hurt really really
- 0:24bad and i know you don't care about this
- 0:26but this just means that like i'm a
- 0:28little bit of mobile here so like i so
- 0:31so so so bear bear with me all right
- 0:35the scottsboro boys this is actually a
- 0:36really important case it happened in
- 0:371931 and and and the ramifications are
- 0:40kind of slow but it's also a really
- 0:42interesting case to show basically the
- 0:44racism of the south in the 1930s in the
- 0:46middle of the great depression so here's
- 0:48what happened also forgive me as i
- 0:50fidget so much and look at my paper here
- 0:52to my left
- 0:53uh looking at my watch too because i
- 0:55don't want to go too long
- 0:56morning of march 25th 1931
- 1:00the southern rail left chattanooga going
- 1:02to the west it is a train going to the
- 1:05west
- 1:06about 24
- 1:07people riding this train now this
- 1:09happens in the great depression in 1931
- 1:11and maybe you've kind of gotten the idea
- 1:13or seen from from class how poor things
- 1:15were in the 1930s it was very very
- 1:17difficult for so many people and in fact
- 1:20many people actually rode trains looking
- 1:22for work or they just wanted to get out
- 1:24of one place looking to go to another
- 1:26place and a lot of people back there had
- 1:28cars maybe you remember talking about
- 1:29the 1920s in the prosperity 1920s but
- 1:32they couldn't keep the uptake of the
- 1:34cars they couldn't pay for the gasoline
- 1:36for the cars and so a lot of people rode
- 1:38trains it was actually very common
- 1:41this happens in alabama as the train
- 1:43from chattanooga chattanooga going into
- 1:45alabama and in on this train evidently
- 1:49one of the white riders accidentally
- 1:51steps on one of the hands of one of the
- 1:53black
- 1:54riders and a fight breaks out on the
- 1:57train with african-american riders
- 1:59fighting white riders
- 2:03and
- 2:04the white riders are pushed off the
- 2:06train no one is hurt in fact the
- 2:08african-american riders actually saved
- 2:10one
- 2:11of the white men in the fight because
- 2:14the train had sped up and they didn't
- 2:15want him to get hurt and so so this is
- 2:17just this is just just a normal kind of
- 2:20fight
- 2:21the train pulls into the station and
- 2:23word had somehow very quickly gotten out
- 2:25that there had been this big fight on
- 2:27this train
- 2:28and a vigilante group had already come
- 2:30together to arrest these
- 2:32african-american individuals
- 2:34and so they start to go looking for
- 2:36these for these individuals and as they
- 2:38go looking for these individuals two
- 2:40people come out of the train and it
- 2:42turns out that the two people that come
- 2:43out of the train are not the
- 2:44african-americans they're actually two
- 2:46girls
- 2:48uh victoria price and ruby bates
- 2:51and then one of the girls says something
- 2:53that will create an incredible firestorm
- 2:56and will basically ruin the lives of
- 2:58these nine young men
- 2:59one of the girls says that they had been
- 3:02raped that they had been gang-raped on
- 3:04this train
- 3:05and this is the deep south
- 3:07in the middle of jim crow
- 3:08in the middle of the great depression
- 3:10and immediately there is tremendous
- 3:16furor at these african-americans they
- 3:18are taken off this train
- 3:20they are tied up and taken to scottsboro
- 3:22so this is called the scottsboro boys
- 3:24they're named after the town they were
- 3:26taken to
- 3:27uh and vigilantes show up a sheriff
- 3:30there actually has to show up and
- 3:33basically make sure that they don't come
- 3:35into this in into the jail and take
- 3:38these boys and lynch them he actually
- 3:40has to protect the boys and
- 3:42a friend of mine named paul holder
- 3:45from my understanding it was one of his
- 3:47relatives
- 3:48paul holder was a governor
- 3:50a government professor here at mcc for a
- 3:52long time good friend of mine brilliant
- 3:54man a wonderful wonderful person
- 3:57and he told me that it had been his
- 3:59uncle that had been the sheriff
- 4:02great uncle that had been the sheriff
- 4:04that had actually protected these young
- 4:06men from being killed and by the way if
- 4:08you were accused of rape as an
- 4:09african-american in the 1930s you would
- 4:11be
- 4:12killed in a horrific way
- 4:14the national guard comes in and secures
- 4:17the jail
- 4:18of the nine so there's nine
- 4:20african-american boys
- 4:22uh
- 4:23the oldest was 19 the youngest was 13.
- 4:27one of the boys one of the young men
- 4:30was uh
- 4:31they're called this gospel boys and so
- 4:32that's so one of the young men
- 4:35willie roberson suffered from syphilis
- 4:37so bad that he could barely walk so he
- 4:40could not have committed rape at all
- 4:42physically and then owen montgomery was
- 4:44nearly blind and was desperately trying
- 4:47to get work to buy a pair of glasses
- 4:49again the youngest person was 13 years
- 4:51old
- 4:52and remember this is the great
- 4:53depression when the entire country
- 4:55including alabama is coming apart
- 4:57massive unemployment it's already a poor
- 4:59state not a massive industrial base
- 5:02increasing class and racial conflict
- 5:05calamitous conditions
- 5:07the two girls are also interesting ruby
- 5:09bass and victoria price were both from
- 5:10huntsville alabama which was about 40
- 5:12miles away from this
- 5:14they worked together in the poorest of
- 5:16the textile mills price had already been
- 5:18married two times had served time in the
- 5:20workhorse in the workhouse
- 5:23for vagrancy
- 5:24and for adultery
- 5:26she was tough and feisty she'd had a
- 5:29hard life
- 5:30uh the other girl 17 year old ruby bates
- 5:33is very quiet and soft spoken and priced
- 5:35the older girl
- 5:37victoria price dominates the younger
- 5:39girl
- 5:40bates
- 5:41they worked in terrible conditions for
- 5:4314 hours in deafening noise terrible air
- 5:46little light
- 5:47and wages were so low that both girls
- 5:49probably worked as prostitutes in 1931
- 5:52and they worked as prostitutes and lived
- 5:54in the african-american part of town and
- 5:57they were prostitutes both to black men
- 6:00and to white men
- 6:01and so their lives the lives they lived
- 6:04out on a daily basis
- 6:06were the opposite of the segregated
- 6:09lives of the middle class
- 6:12uh and of so many people in
- 6:15in alabama
- 6:16but once they accuse these nine men of
- 6:19gang rape
- 6:21all the cut all of a sudden they
- 6:24become symbolic
- 6:25uh of what the south has feared for so
- 6:28long
- 6:28and so basically crowds gather at this
- 6:31courthouse and they they're able to
- 6:33protect the boys for trial and at the
- 6:35first trial the crowd was huge the
- 6:36largest crowd in the history of
- 6:38scottsboro now scottsboro is a pretty
- 6:39small town
- 6:40uh the band playing dixie uh which is
- 6:44a a civil war era song of the
- 6:47confederacy
- 6:48many people are armed with short with
- 6:50shotguns the courthouse is
- 6:52ringed by 200 national guardsmen
- 6:55um and papers come out strongly against
- 6:57these nine young men they don't have any
- 7:00anyone to really represent them money is
- 7:03raised in desperation by their parents
- 7:05they had one 20-minute meeting with a
- 7:07lawyer uh who basically told these boys
- 7:10who were innocent these young men who
- 7:11were innocent that they should probably
- 7:13plead guilty according to one source one
- 7:15lawyer representing the boys had a 0.20
- 7:18alcohol level which is incredibly high
- 7:200.20 alcohol level uh and the other
- 7:23appointed was very old and was losing
- 7:25his memory so they did not have
- 7:27counsel
- 7:29that was equipped to defend them they
- 7:31had lawyers that weren't equipped to
- 7:33defend them
- 7:34one by one the boys were found guilty
- 7:37with these terrible lawyers and every
- 7:39time a guilty verdict was found and by
- 7:41the way they are charged with with this
- 7:44with this rape
- 7:45and it is a capital crime at the time so
- 7:47they are going to go and basically die
- 7:50uh by uh the death they will they will
- 7:53get the death penalty
- 7:55the only question in the first trial the
- 7:58only question in the first trial was
- 8:00whether or not the 13 year old should
- 8:02get the death penalty
- 8:04or life that was the only question and
- 8:06he ended up getting life in prison and
- 8:08not the death penalty that was that was
- 8:10the extent of it all these these nine
- 8:12young men
- 8:13suddenly find their lives turned upside
- 8:15down because of these these accusations
- 8:17by victoria price
- 8:19help comes for these nine these nine
- 8:21young men through the communist party
- 8:24which is really interesting no one
- 8:26really talks about the power of the
- 8:27communist party in america in the 1930s
- 8:29but if you think about it when you have
- 8:30incredibly dire economic situations all
- 8:33of a sudden
- 8:35you are much more willing to think about
- 8:38having the government provide equal
- 8:40access to capital for everyone and
- 8:43people are desperate and the communist
- 8:44party had already come into the south
- 8:46especially to try to bring attention to
- 8:49the plight of african-american
- 8:50sharecroppers
- 8:52sharecropping is a
- 8:54it's it's it's it's a it's a
- 8:57forced work
- 8:58style
- 8:59where
- 9:00as a farmer you basically have to go
- 9:02deeper and deeper in debt every year to
- 9:05be able to continue to form the land you
- 9:06don't own the land but you basically go
- 9:09in debt to farm the land and eventually
- 9:11because you can't make any money you go
- 9:13so deep in debt that you're forever tied
- 9:15to the land and it's actually incredibly
- 9:16economically crippling
- 9:18if you think about wealth and how wealth
- 9:20is generated a lot of wealth is
- 9:23generated by property that is passed
- 9:24down from generation to generation and
- 9:26sharecropping makes it absolutely
- 9:28impossible for any of these
- 9:29african-american farmers to ever
- 9:31generate family wealth to pass down to
- 9:34their to their children and so the
- 9:36communist party had come into the south
- 9:38and tried to basically create this
- 9:40this this movement
- 9:42among sharecroppers that would
- 9:43strengthen the communist party because
- 9:45it was such a brutal
- 9:47um
- 9:48unjust situation for so many of these
- 9:50african-american farmers
- 9:52and so there they will actually be the
- 9:54ones who represent
- 9:56the scottsboro boys
- 9:58um they they get a lawyer from new york
- 10:01and as they get a lawyer from new york
- 10:03from new york
- 10:05they basically are able to get the
- 10:06supreme court to look at this case
- 10:09and so they they get the case reviewed
- 10:11by the supreme court seeing my shoulders
- 10:12killing me
- 10:14the case goes up to the supreme court
- 10:16november uh i've already gone 10 minutes
- 10:19man i'm having so much fun
- 10:21november 1932 the supreme court was
- 10:23looking at the case they were
- 10:24considering whether the trial had been
- 10:26unfair and here's why this is really
- 10:28important in a court case called powell
- 10:30versus alabama this is super important
- 10:32powell versus alabama the supreme court
- 10:36is going to say it's going to decide
- 10:39and this is a massive deal this is a
- 10:41massive
- 10:42decision by the supreme court
- 10:44that the rights of these nine young men
- 10:48had been violated
- 10:49because they applied the due process
- 10:52clause now stay with me i'm about to
- 10:53throw something at you completely
- 10:54complicated super complicated
- 10:57hang on
- 10:58i'm just gonna go through this
- 11:00they they basically said that they
- 11:03they they apply the due process clause
- 11:05of the 14th amendment saying that
- 11:07everyone should basically have due
- 11:08process before the law
- 11:10and they said that the young men had not
- 11:12had access
- 11:14to
- 11:15um
- 11:16[Music]
- 11:17to good counsel
- 11:19in this capital case and it applied the
- 11:22sixth amendment okay this is really
- 11:23confusing and would be better so you
- 11:25would be better served with a better
- 11:26explanation in a constitutional law
- 11:29class but here's what i'm going to try
- 11:30to say here's the point i'm going to try
- 11:31to make
- 11:32for the first time really maybe really
- 11:34really for the first time strongly
- 11:36the supreme court is going to apply part
- 11:38of the sixth amendment
- 11:40to the states before this the bill of
- 11:43rights the firsts and amendments had not
- 11:46really been applied to the states it had
- 11:48only been applied to the federal
- 11:49government from the bill of rights had
- 11:51been written for the federal government
- 11:53james madison when he had written so
- 11:54many of these amendments had basically
- 11:56tried to shield the country from the
- 11:57power of the federal government in
- 12:00response to
- 12:01the american revolution
- 12:03and all of a sudden here you have the
- 12:05application of the sixth amendment
- 12:08to the states
- 12:10in this
- 12:11case only dealing with dealing with
- 12:13council
- 12:15to have the to have the uh assistance of
- 12:18capable council before a a a capital
- 12:22trial in other words you have to have
- 12:23good counsel in a trial that involves
- 12:26the death penalty and this is called
- 12:27this is very important it's going to be
- 12:28on the quiz this is called incorporation
- 12:31the application of the bill of rights to
- 12:34the state and it happens one clause
- 12:36literally at a time there's parts of the
- 12:38bill of rights that have still not been
- 12:39incorporated to the states it happens
- 12:41one at a time but this is a big deal
- 12:43because all of a sudden it is putting
- 12:44the states under
- 12:46under
- 12:47the constitution and under the first ten
- 12:50amendments of the bill of rights and
- 12:51here it is the sixth amendment and
- 12:53access to capable counsel in a capital
- 12:55trial
- 12:56so
- 12:57the supreme court says the trial is bad
- 13:00alabama incorporates the sixth amendment
- 13:02the trial was bad and they must have a
- 13:04new trial and so the communist party
- 13:07hires a lawyer named samuel leibowitz
- 13:10who had won 77 out of 78 cases defending
- 13:14all types of all types of people this
- 13:16guy is a brilliant lawyer he's very very
- 13:18good he's a showman he's a bit of an
- 13:21actor
- 13:23but he was an outsider coming into the
- 13:26deep south that is very skeptical of
- 13:28outsiders the second trial was in
- 13:30decatur alabama they will try a young
- 13:32man named haywood patterson first
- 13:34all 12 jurors were white
- 13:37no one has seen by the way ruby bates at
- 13:40all she's basically disappeared
- 13:43as the trial starts
- 13:45liebowitz begins to poke holes in the
- 13:48prosecution he has a
- 13:51uh
- 13:52basically um
- 13:53[Music]
- 13:55begins to question victoria price
- 13:57and it very quickly anyone watching this
- 14:01could see that victoria price was lying
- 14:03but the problem with with questioning
- 14:05victoria price is that she actually was
- 14:08as aggressive back to leibowitz as he
- 14:11was to her and the fact that this was
- 14:13happening in the south
- 14:15from a man from new york in 1931 who was
- 14:17being incredibly rude to a female on the
- 14:20witness stand
- 14:22turned the jury against him now no
- 14:23matter what the jury was going to
- 14:25find patterson guilty but
- 14:28he didn't understand the south leedwoods
- 14:29does not understand himself
- 14:32uh victoria uh
- 14:34price kept saying over and over about
- 14:36every question that she says every
- 14:38question she's answered that she can't
- 14:40remember uh and she lied openly in her
- 14:44testimony
- 14:46and then they began to bring other
- 14:47things out the girls were actually
- 14:48examined by a doctor after these
- 14:50allegations and there were no physical
- 14:52signs uh
- 14:54of rape
- 14:56and then uh after this
- 14:59there is
- 15:00a massive surprise
- 15:03in comes to the trial
- 15:05ruby bates the 17 year old girl who had
- 15:08been the friend of victoria price now
- 15:10remember victoria price was the push
- 15:11your girl and ruby bates comes in
- 15:14as a surprise
- 15:16and says that she had never been raped
- 15:18that she that her testimony had come
- 15:20out because of the pressure of of her
- 15:22friend
- 15:23she had actually spent months in hiding
- 15:25and had been tracked down
- 15:28everyone is shocked until the
- 15:29cross-examination began and then they
- 15:32began to attack the testimony of ruby
- 15:34base how did you come how do you have
- 15:36money oh i understand this now the
- 15:38communist party is paying you for your
- 15:41testimony to recant and she fell apart
- 15:45on the witness stand poor ruby ruby
- 15:48bates did the jury and here's the direct
- 15:50quote i have smelled the north on her
- 15:53and she is ridiculed
- 15:55for her clothes
- 15:56and it falls apart and once again the 12
- 15:59men on the jury find floyd patterson
- 16:02guilty to be electrocuted like by the
- 16:05electric chair and leibowitz
- 16:07can't believe it he had
- 16:10proved
- 16:11that victoria price was was lying he had
- 16:13proven it i mean he had proven in the
- 16:14trial
- 16:15he had a witness who had recanted and
- 16:17said that none of this had ever happened
- 16:20he basically had proven the innocence of
- 16:22these nine young men and still they're
- 16:24all found guilty he cannot believe it
- 16:26and so he appeals to the judge a man
- 16:28named james horton for a new trial and
- 16:31james horton is in a dilemma so james
- 16:33horton is one of these
- 16:34old southern traditional gentlemen
- 16:38and he's under incredible pressure
- 16:42to let this young man these young men
- 16:44basically go
- 16:46go to their death in prison no one had
- 16:49corroborated price
- 16:50price had shown no signs of rape to the
- 16:53doctor
- 16:54um
- 16:55horton saw how she had lied on the stand
- 16:58and in an incredibly courageous move
- 17:01that will cost him his career as a judge
- 17:03in many ways his standing in the
- 17:04community
- 17:05june 22 1933 horton sets aside the
- 17:08guilty verdict
- 17:09and orders a third trial
- 17:13um
- 17:14so now there will be a third trial of
- 17:17these young men
- 17:19and as this happens they of course the
- 17:21prosecution brings in a friendly judge
- 17:24and man seven-year-old william callahan
- 17:27and uh once again the
- 17:30jury deliberates after the trial
- 17:32and once again the boys are saying these
- 17:35young men are sent back to death row
- 17:38getting closer and closer every time to
- 17:40edu execution
- 17:42and once again
- 17:44lebowitz will push this court case up to
- 17:46the supreme court because he's
- 17:47frustrated that on the jury there are
- 17:49only white
- 17:51white men on this jury they all been all
- 17:53white jew i mean it would all be all
- 17:55white jury and liberal it's believed
- 17:57that this did not offer equal protection
- 17:59before the law in fact
- 18:01they are able to prove before the
- 18:02supreme court in a second second very
- 18:05important court case called norris
- 18:08versus alabama norris versus alabama
- 18:11that basically they had purpo that
- 18:13alabama and scottsboro that this trial
- 18:16they had purposely prohibited african
- 18:19americans from serving on the juries by
- 18:21producing jury roles that only had white
- 18:23members and even more
- 18:26ridiculous was the fact that
- 18:29african-american names had been scrawled
- 18:31and literally in incredibly
- 18:34primitive handwriting at the bottom
- 18:36crude crude in fact i watched the
- 18:38documentary and they mocked this
- 18:39handwriting where they literally tried
- 18:41to add these these these
- 18:44african-american names who might be
- 18:45called in a jury this is norris versus
- 18:47alabama
- 18:48so once again the supreme court says
- 18:50they excluded african-americans from the
- 18:52jury
- 18:53did not allow due process
- 18:55once again for a third time
- 18:57overturned the guilty verdicts by the
- 19:00way this has a this this norris versus
- 19:02alabama has has has a pretty major
- 19:04impact because after this this begins to
- 19:07slow very slow very slow but begins to
- 19:10desegregation
- 19:11of southern juries uh where african
- 19:14americans begin to begin to appear on
- 19:16southern juries it's a slow process but
- 19:18norris versus alabama is important
- 19:21the fourth trial
- 19:23leibowitz gives up stands aside for a
- 19:25southern attorney
- 19:27five of the defendants are convicted
- 19:30this time but four are abruptly released
- 19:32they're just released out of the blue
- 19:34they released a young man who had bad
- 19:36eyesight
- 19:37they released a young man who had
- 19:39syphilis
- 19:40they had released a young young man who
- 19:41was 13 year old when this was occurred
- 19:43and basically after six years in jail
- 19:46for a crime that it was pretty obvious
- 19:48that they had never committed
- 19:50they are out of jail taken to new york
- 19:53are heroes for 15 minutes of fame
- 19:56and then drift off into obscurity and
- 19:59are basically forgotten
- 20:00the five who are left only had their
- 20:02despair heightened
- 20:03by 1941 the parole board refused three
- 20:06times to free the prisoners
- 20:08um and finally 1943
- 20:11it begins to give in and slowly
- 20:13individuals are given parole for this
- 20:16case by this time by this time after
- 20:19three trials
- 20:20alabama just wants this to go away they
- 20:22don't want any more notoriety they just
- 20:23wanted to go away
- 20:25the last person who escaped was a young
- 20:27man named floyd patterson
- 20:29who slipped away after working with
- 20:31other prisoners he was working outside
- 20:33on and is able to slip away and makes
- 20:36his way to detroit
- 20:38he escapes
- 20:40and
- 20:41is never returned to alabama
- 20:44so this is the scottsboro boys it was a
- 20:48terribly
- 20:49unfair
- 20:51racially unjust trial
- 20:53in which many people in the state of
- 20:55alabama
- 20:56actually applauded themselves that the
- 20:59boys were not lynched and that they were
- 21:02given deeply unfair trials
- 21:05and would be executed by the state
- 21:07scottsboro really has never lived down
- 21:09the tragedy judge
- 21:11james horton was defeated for reelection
- 21:14would never serve again as a judge
- 21:16lebowitz never won a victory in the
- 21:18alabama courts but leave awaits if you
- 21:20think about it despite losing he did
- 21:22save their lives norris versus alabama
- 21:25again began the slow integration of
- 21:27southern juries helping future legal
- 21:29victories in the south
- 21:31victoria price disappears as does ruby
- 21:34bates
- 21:36but she reappears and then and
- 21:39i believe in the 1970s
- 21:41when nbc basically shows a movie
- 21:44portraying the scottsboro boys
- 21:46and the actor portraying victoria price
- 21:48is portrayed as a prostitute and a liar
- 21:51and she actually sued nbc
- 21:53and they settled out of court which in
- 21:56my understanding i don't know how much
- 21:57money she got but if they settle out of
- 21:59court that means she probably won some
- 22:00kind of financial
- 22:02decision behind the scenes because they
- 22:04settled
- 22:05most of the scottsboro boys led troubled
- 22:07lives after release
- 22:08only clarence norris would be able to
- 22:11emotionally survive and live
- 22:14a a life that would always be difficult
- 22:17he would fight to have his name cleared
- 22:19and in 1976 clarence norris would be
- 22:22pardoned by the alabama governor george
- 22:24wallace and he would finally die in 1989
- 22:27of old age
- 22:28it's it's in many ways the scots four
- 22:30boys is a heartbreaking
- 22:33trial
- 22:34but i have two comments on it and then
- 22:35i'm done
- 22:37oh my gosh 22 minutes
- 22:39poor people
- 22:41two comments about the scottish boy
- 22:42straw comment number one
- 22:44um
- 22:46it shows the deeply
- 22:48the deep racism of the south under jim
- 22:50crow that these young men who had
- 22:53obviously pretty obviously never
- 22:54committed the crime of rape and never
- 22:58committed it at all
- 23:00would basically languish in prison
- 23:02for three trials
- 23:04and one young man for 17 years but the
- 23:07second thing that comes out of this is
- 23:08you see the slow changing of the supreme
- 23:10court
- 23:11you have two really really important
- 23:12decisions out of the supreme court
- 23:14powell versus alabama which brings about
- 23:16incorporation where the sixth amendment
- 23:18is applied to the state where you have
- 23:20to have capable defense a good defense
- 23:22for a capital trial
- 23:24and norris versus alabama where all of a
- 23:26sudden you have the beginning of the
- 23:27desegregation of southern jury rules and
- 23:30so
- 23:31it's actually a really important case
- 23:33that will plant the seeds plant to plant
- 23:35the seeds of future changes in the
- 23:37future thanks for surviving this
- 23:40uh i hope you're doing well thank you
- 23:42very much
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