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1. 0:00It's 6:39 PM and we're going to welcome
2. 0:02our first guest of the evening right
3. 0:05now. She just returned from the summer
4. 0:07university of Reconquête, Éric
5. 0:08Zemmour's party, where she serves as
6. 0:10number two. Good evening, Sarah Knafo.
7. 0:12Good evening.
8. 0:12Welcome to the set. Thank you for being
9. 0:15with us. Tonight, we'll watch a short
10. 0:16piece on the summer university, and
11. 0:18then we have plenty of questions for
12. 0:19you.
13. 0:20Perfect.
14. 0:23A political comeback when everything
15. 0:26looks like a departure; Reconquête is
16. 0:28at 0.7%. In the last legislative
17. 0:31elections, no deputies or senators in
18. 0:33Parliament, only one MEP after an
19. 0:35internal implosion with the departure
20. 0:37of Marion Maréchal-Le Pen. So, we
21. 0:39asked the activists present why they
22. 0:41still persist in adhering to this party
23. 0:44. When there is a big ditch like this
24. 0:47that you have to cross, you take
25. 0:49momentum, you jump, and then you move
26. 0:50forward. 1%, 1.7, 8, 10, that doesn't
27. 0:53mean anything.
28. 0:54Éric Zemmour's loyalists stayed, they
29. 0:56will stay because there is a
30. 0:58fundamental movement here, and we can
31. 1:00really feel it.
32. 1:00For me, it is essential that he allies
33. 1:02himself with others.
34. 1:04A brief crowd walk for party president
35. 1:06Éric Zemmour, who refused to grant us
36. 1:08an interview. So we tried a question on
37. 1:11the fly.
38. 1:12Mr. Zemmour, what future for the party
39. 1:14after you? There will, alas, be no "
40. 1:17after." Reconquête officially claims
41. 1:19100,000 members and supporters in
42. 1:21France, 7,000 in the Vaucluse, but its
43. 1:23political weight has never seemed so
44. 1:25light. So, reconquest yes, but above
45. 1:28all from the far-right electorate to
46. 1:30avoid disappearing.
47. 1:31find
48. 1:33So we have plenty of questions to ask
49. 1:35you. We're going to talk about
50. 1:36Reconquête, we're going to talk about
51. 1:38the day's current events; first, why do
52. 1:39you refuse to answer journalists '
53. 1:40questions?
54. 1:41We'll say a word about the report.
55. 1:43First thing, it's fortunate that we
56. 1:44have real French people to
57. 1:46counterbalance the public service
58. 1:47commentary a bit because, regarding the
59. 1:49twilight commentary, frankly, we've
60. 1:51seen more neutral. As for the people
61. 1:52who answered you, I think that is what
62. 1:54is truly interesting in this report.
63. 1:56Indeed, there is a fundamental movement
64. 1:58, meaning French people who are
65. 2:00increasingly a majority in agreeing
66. 2:02with us on our themes, on our themes on
67. 2:04the economy, on school, against wokeism
68. 2:06. That is growing more and more. You
69. 2:08speak of the legislative score; you are
70. 2:10perfectly right. You did indeed get 0.7
71. 2:12%.
72. 2:13You've already said it; if you want, we
73. 2:14can repeat it several times.
74. 2:15No, because—no, but you are calling
75. 2:16our subject into question. So what
76. 2:17exactly are you calling into question?
77. 2:19Here is the whole commentary if you
78. 2:20like. Fortunately, there were French
79. 2:21people who expressed themselves. As for
80. 2:22the legislative results, we can sum it
81. 2:24up in one word: a phenomenon called
82. 2:25tactical voting occurred. Meaning that
83. 2:27people all believed—and there were
84. 2:29many of us, surely you on this set as
85. 2:31well—that Jordan Bardella was going
86. 2:33to win. Consequently, our voters went
87. 2:35to vote for him, thinking they were
88. 2:36participating in a popular momentum. We
89. 2:38believed in it, we hoped for it. I
90. 2:39myself hoped for it. That phenomenon
91. 2:41happened. Now, if you look at political
92. 2:43life, we have seen many parties that
93. 2:45started out very weak. I remind you
94. 2:47that we have been in existence for 2
95. 2:48years. Reconquête is a 2-year-old
96. 2:50child, if you will, that is currently
97. 2:51growing. We have seen many parties that
98. 2:53started very low. I’ll give you an
99. 2:54example. Meloni in Italy four years ago
100. 2:56was at 2%. Today, she is the Prime
101. 2:58Minister of Italy.
102. 2:59Uh.
103. 2:59So, if you start low, well, we would
104. 3:01have liked to succeed on the first try
105. 3:03like everyone else. But it teaches us
106. 3:05humility; it teaches us to know the
107. 3:07French people better. I’m still going
108. 3:09to give you some figures that I don’t
109. 3:10think you’ll like, but which exist
110. 3:12and show that you aren't really growing
111. 3:14. You are actually shrinking since four
112. 3:16of your five elected officials in the
113. 3:19European Parliament have left you, and
114. 3:21last week, your only senator, Stéphane
115. 3:24Ravier, left you as well. So, we are
116. 3:26looking at a hemorrhage here, not
117. 3:27growth.
118. 3:28Well, you already said that in your
119. 3:29segment, so we can start over if you
120. 3:31want. What is growing, if you will, is
121. 3:34the weight we have on the ideas of this
122. 3:36country. I think no one, not even you,
123. 3:38not even public service,
124. 3:39Why is everyone leaving you then, if
125. 3:41you are so powerful?
126. 3:42Did you see what happened during the
127. 3:43legislative elections? People believed
128. 3:45Jordan Bardella was going to win. Some
129. 3:47thought to themselves,
130. 3:48you already said that yourself, too.
131. 3:49Very well. And so now, I will even add
132. 3:51to what I said earlier. Some thought
133. 3:53that if they left the ship now, they
134. 3:54might get a ministerial position.
135. 3:57Unfortunately for them, it didn't go as
136. 3:59planned, and those petty ambitions
137. 4:00So, Stan Ravier left because he hopes
138. 4:02to join the government, or did I dream
139. 4:05that question up?
140. 4:06I also spoke about Ste last week. The
141. 4:07latest one. Do you want me to answer
142. 4:09chronologically? Should I answer
143. 4:10everything at once, all the questions?
144. 4:12Answer the questions I'm asking. Well,
145. 4:13if you don't interrupt me, maybe I
146. 4:14could even finish.
147. 4:15Go ahead, go ahead.
148. 4:16So the question was about...
149. 4:18So some left precisely because they
150. 4:19imagined they would be able to become
151. 4:21ministers. Now, I would like us to look
152. 4:24at this with a little more perspective
153. 4:26and not just over the last three months
154. 4:28. I would like us to analyze the
155. 4:29situation of Reconquête from a broader
156. 4:31horizon. If you want, if I look at the
157. 4:33situation of France in 10 years, I
158. 4:35don't think people will remember that
159. 4:36Reconquête got a low score in an
160. 4:38election in June 2024. I think they
161. 4:40will remember instead that Reconquête
162. 4:42stood with those who warned the French
163. 4:43people.
164. 4:44All right. Well, that's speculation.
165. 4:45We'll talk about that again in 10 years
166. 4:47. Today, we are here to talk about
167. 4:48today. That is what is most important,
168. 4:50if you like; it is the history of
169. 4:51France. It is what awaits us. It is the
170. 4:52future of our children. Maybe that
171. 4:53doesn't excite you here. What interests
172. 4:55us is the present, because in 10 years,
173. 4:57I don't think anyone can really say
174. 4:59what will happen more than what
175. 5:00happened 3 days ago. I think what is
176. 5:02interesting is the country we will
177. 5:04leave to our children, and for me, if
178. 5:05you want, I won't be ashamed in 10
179. 5:06years of having belonged to this party
180. 5:08and even having created it alongside
181. 5:09Éric Zemmour. I won't be ashamed of
182. 5:11having stayed, even if we have known
183. 5:13defeats. I won't be ashamed of
184. 5:15continuing to fight because I think we
185. 5:16are on the side of those who became
186. 5:18aware of the dangers threatening our
187. 5:20people and that we are part of those
188. 5:21who are precisely trying to fight
189. 5:23against that. I think that in 10 years,
190. 5:25it won't be for us to be ashamed, but
191. 5:26for many other people, many other
192. 5:28people who let our country die, you see
193. 5:30, who let the country sink to where it
194. 5:31is today. Do you have questions to ask?
195. 5:34I wanted to know your take on the
196. 5:35appointment of Michel Barnier.
197. 5:37Apparently, there is talk of a ministry
198. 5:40of immigration, a program, and then
199. 5:43statements by Michel Barnier that were
200. 5:45quite, how should I say...not radical,
201. 5:50but in any case, it was going, a priori
202. 5:52, in the direction you defend. Do you
203. 5:55think that is good news? Do you have a
204. 5:58positive outlook? A follow-up question:
205. 6:01for the next election, if in a year
206. 6:03there is a sudden dissolution again,
207. 6:06will Reconquête present candidates
208. 6:09under its own banner everywhere?
209. 6:11Thank you for your questions, which are
210. 6:13a bit neutral. I will answer the last
211. 6:14one first, then move on to what you
212. 6:16asked me at the beginning. Yes,
213. 6:17Reconquête will be present for the
214. 6:19next elections. We hear a lot about
215. 6:21proportional representation being
216. 6:22implemented. So, I think, at least the
217. 6:24first estimates currently give us 26
218. 6:26elected officials. It is a work in
219. 6:27progress with proportional
220. 6:28representation.
221. 6:28With proportional representation.
222. 6:29Indeed,
223. 6:30not quite done yet.
224. 6:31I think it will be done, given it is
225. 6:32one of Marine Le Pen's conditions for
226. 6:34accepting Michel Barnier's nomination.
227. 6:35I think it will work, but I don't want
228. 6:37to make predictions. I think there will
229. 6:38be proportional representation. So yes,
230. 6:40we will be present everywhere in France
231. 6:41. That is what we are working on. It is
232. 6:43exactly what we announced at our summer
233. 6:44university: local establishment. Now, I
234. 6:46will answer your first question about
235. 6:48Michel Barnier. You cited promises he
236. 6:50indeed made in 2021. He said he would
237. 6:52revisit birthright citizenship. All of
238. 6:54that suits me perfectly. The abolition
239. 6:56of the AME suits me perfectly. I was
240. 6:58saying earlier that we have had a major
241. 6:59impact on the battle of ideas. I would
242. 7:01like to remind you that in 2021, when
243. 7:02Michel Barnier made his promises, we
244. 7:04were in the middle of the Republicans'
245. 7:05primary, and it is exactly when Éric
246. 7:07Zemmour was skyrocketing in the polls.
247. 7:09He went from 1%to 18%in the span of two
248. 7:11months. And it was at that moment that
249. 7:13all the Republicans started aligning
250. 7:14themselves. In fact, I remember a
251. 7:15France Info segment that talked about
252. 7:17the "Zemmour-ization" of the
253. 7:19Republicans. France,
254. 7:20no, not at all. On the contrary, at the
255. 7:21time, it was true. The "Zemmour-ization
256. 7:23" of the Republicans. And so, at that
257. 7:24moment, Michel Barnier made his
258. 7:26campaign promises. What I want to say
259. 7:28to the people listening is that we
260. 7:30aren't forced to naively believe every
261. 7:32campaign promise. We've been through
262. 7:34that too many times already. The
263. 7:35Republicans have done it to us many
264. 7:36times. I think some people here have
265. 7:38memories like I do. The Republicans
266. 7:40have pulled that trick on us a lot.
267. 7:41They promised us a Ministry of National
268. 7:43Identity. Has our identity been
269. 7:44strengthened? I don't think so. We were
270. 7:46promised a clean sweep. Did we get a
271. 7:48clean sweep? I don't think so either.
272. 7:49So the right has lied a lot and
273. 7:51betrayed a lot. I listened carefully to
274. 7:53Michel Barnier on the TF1 news, and
275. 7:54what I heard from Michel Barnier is
276. 7:56that he wouldn't rule out including
277. 7:58left-wing ministers in his government.
278. 8:00So firstly, it won't be a right-wing
279. 8:02government; it will be a centrist
280. 8:04government that will govern with the
281. 8:06left. Basically, Macronism as before. I
282. 8:08heard Michel Barnier tell us he wanted
283. 8:10to regulate migration flows with
284. 8:12humanity, while the majority of French
285. 8:15people want to stop migration flows
286. 8:17with firmness. That is not at all what
287. 8:20we are proposing. I also heard him tell
288. 8:22us he wanted to raise taxes for more
289. 8:25fiscal justice, and one sentence later,
290. 8:27tell us he was pro-business. So I don't
291. 8:29feel like this is the program that will
292. 8:31save France. I must admit I don't have
293. 8:33much hope for Michel Barnier's
294. 8:34government. I'm afraid the French
295. 8:36people have too much, because we've
296. 8:37already been disappointed far too often
297. 8:39. I think that's what makes the French
298. 8:41sick of politics. And when we see—I'm
299. 8:42really finishing here—when we see
300. 8:44that there was an Odoxa poll this
301. 8:45summer that I found major, which tells
302. 8:47us that 90%of French people are sick of
303. 8:49politics, across all parties (I include
304. 8:51us in that), it's a challenge for
305. 8:52everyone. Everyone should realize the
306. 8:54extent of it. 88%of French people tell
307. 8:56us that parties are dishonest and don't
308. 8:58have any answers to their problems. I
309. 9:00think one of the major answers that
310. 9:02needs to be given is a revolution of
311. 9:04depoliticization. We must depoliticize
312. 9:07the economy, depoliticize schools,
313. 9:09depoliticize our taxation and our
314. 9:11foreign policy, and we must
315. 9:12depoliticize culture. A major program
316. 9:15that awaits us to respond to this
317. 9:16disgust of the French people.
318. 9:17Rokhaya Diallo, a question for Sarah.
319. 9:19Yes, yes, yes. You are very, very
320. 9:20preoccupied with talking about the
321. 9:22future by anticipating things you don't
322. 9:24really have any control over. And I
323. 9:26have the impression that you are still
324. 9:27quite uncomfortable acknowledging the
325. 9:28situation as it is for you today. The
326. 9:30fact is that even though you are a very
327. 9:32, very young party, you benefited from
328. 9:34unprecedented exposure when Éric
329. 9:36Zemmour formed Reconquête because he
330. 9:38had significant media reach. And
331. 9:39between what was presented of him in
332. 9:412021, before he was a candidate in the
333. 9:44presidential election, and what you—
334. 9:46well, the stage you are at today—I
335. 9:48get the impression that you are more of
336. 9:50a think tank than a true political
337. 9:52party. You claim to have influence over
338. 9:54the other parties. So that is more the
339. 9:56work of a think tank, but as a party,
340. 9:57there is still quite a significant
341. 9:59collapse. Do you not want to draw
342. 10:01conclusions from that? Because really,
343. 10:02what I see is more of a party that is
344. 10:04in decay, you know.
345. 10:04And we have less than 2 minutes left to
346. 10:06answer this question. I will answer
347. 10:07very briefly. First, I thank you for
348. 10:08the compliment. Yes, indeed, we have an
349. 10:10impact on French intellectual life.
350. 10:11To me, it is a harmful impact, but that
351. 10:13wasn't intended as a compliment. In any
352. 10:15case, it’s not you acknowledge the
353. 10:18impact, and I thank you for it because
354. 10:20I believe it is necessary. I think that
355. 10:22if the Left has one lesson to teach us,
356. 10:23it is what it has done since May 68: it
357. 10:25waged the cultural battle, it won the
358. 10:27cultural battle, and it is thanks to
359. 10:29its cultural battle that it then
360. 10:30achieved victory at the ballot box. So
361. 10:32what you are acknowledging for us is,
362. 10:33for me, the first step. We will get to
363. 10:35the second, and I am certain that one
364. 10:37day we will govern this country.
365. 10:38Any reaction to the Abbé Pierre
366. 10:40scandal, these new testimonies that
367. 10:43were released today with accusations
368. 10:45dating back to the 50s? The Church knew
369. 10:48, everyone seemingly knew, yet no one
370. 10:50said anything. Well, like with all
371. 10:52these MeToo topics and these
372. 10:53accusations, it is very difficult to
373. 10:55give the impression of delivering
374. 10:56justice on a TV set. I don’t have the
375. 10:58facts; I don’t know if it’s true. I
376. 10:59understand that we must
377. 11:00You don't know if it's true. You don't
378. 11:02know if all these women and all these
379. 11:03witnesses are telling the truth.
380. 11:04Were you there? Do you know?
381. 11:05I am asking you the question.
382. 11:07But you know, if you have the
383. 11:08information, I will say everything.
384. 11:10I have—there is an investigation that
385. 11:12was conducted by an organization. There
386. 11:14are dozens and dozens of testimonies.
387. 11:16So, we will be patient. The progress of
388. 11:18civilization is impartial justice in a
389. 11:19court of law with a lawyer, people who
390. 11:21can defend themselves. I love
391. 11:23civilization, so I will wait for the
392. 11:24investigation.
393. 11:25Thank you very much for having been our
394. 11:28guest. Yeah.