Sam Shamoun EXPOSES the 3 Stages of Islamic Jihad During Heated Debate Against Nadir Ahmed — Transcript

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1. 0:00one thing to remember in this debate
2. 0:02when you're debating the topic of Islam being a religion of peace
3. 0:05you must examine the life of Muhammad
4. 0:07and how he dealt with the disbelievers
5. 0:09depending on his circumstances and situation
6. 0:12for example in chapter 33
7. 0:14verse 21 of the Quran it says
8. 0:16you have a good example in God's messenger
9. 0:18for ever hopes for god and the last day
10. 0:20which means that if you're a Muslim
11. 0:22you must see how Muhammad treated the disbelievers
12. 0:24depending on the situation and the circumstances
13. 0:28what my opponent did tonight
14. 0:30he focused on those verses
15. 0:31that were composed
16. 0:32during the second stage of Muhammad's dealing with disbelievers
17. 0:36in order for you to understand my point
18. 0:37there are three stages in Muhammad's development
19. 0:40and attitude towards the disbelievers
20. 0:42stage 1 when Muhammad is in Mecca and surrounded by disbelievers
21. 0:46and he doesn't have the resources or the manpower to fight back
22. 0:50even though he instigated the hostilities with them
23. 0:52he preaches a message of tolerance
24. 0:55of peace for example
25. 0:56chapter verse uh
26. 0:57chapter 1:09 of the Quran says say
27. 0:59o unbelievers I serve not what you serve
28. 1:02and you're not serving what I serve
29. 1:04nor am I serving what you have served
30. 1:06neither are you serving what I serve to you
31. 1:08your religion and to me mine
32. 1:10you don't wanna believe fine
33. 1:11go ahead you're free in the matter now
34. 1:13that's stage one now what happens in stage two
35. 1:15shortly after that Muhammad migrates to Medina
36. 1:18and has the backing of several tribes
37. 1:20and coincidentally during this time
38. 1:23when he has the backing of tribes
39. 1:24and he has soldiers who are willing to fight for him
40. 1:27he now implements self defense
41. 1:29which was what my opponent was focusing on
42. 1:31and for most of his debate speech that see
43. 1:34we fight oppression those who oppress us
44. 1:37yes that's stage 2 in Muhammad's development
45. 1:40and stage 2 includes such passages as chapter
46. 1:43I'm sorry chapter 2
47. 1:44verses 1 90 to 1
48. 1:4594 and chapter 22
49. 1:47verses 39 to 41 now
50. 1:48I don't need to read these passages
51. 1:50because he pretty much took care of that
52. 1:52but what about stage 3
53. 1:54Muhammad conquers Mecca and subjugates the Arabian tribes
54. 1:57he now implements offensive jihad
55. 2:00not just jihad done in self defense or to fight oppression
56. 2:04but jihad
57. 2:05done with the purpose of subjugating everyone to the rule of Islam
58. 2:09now let me read those verses
59. 2:10chapter 9 verses 28 to 31
60. 2:12and pay careful attention to what the text says
61. 2:15and what it does not say
62. 2:17and then I'm going to show you how Umar implemented chapter 9
63. 2:20verse 29 but for the context
64. 2:22verses 28 to 31 oh believers
65. 2:25the associators those who associate with Allah are indeed unclean
66. 2:29they're unclean
67. 2:30so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs
68. 2:33and by the way do not forget the historical setting of this passage
69. 2:36this was supposedly revealed after Muhammad had conquered Mecca
70. 2:40and the pagans were forced to subject to his rule
71. 2:43now he's not satisfied with them remaining in their paganism
72. 2:46now they must be expelled
73. 2:48otherwise become Muslim
74. 2:49if you fear poverty god shall surely enrich you of his bounty
75. 2:55if he will god is all knowing
76. 2:56all wise now note verse 29
77. 2:58these are one of the final orders of Muhammad given to his community
78. 3:02and we're gonna see how Umar implemented these orders
79. 3:05fight those not who oppress you
80. 3:08that's not what the text says
81. 3:09fight those who attack you
82. 3:10that's not what it says
83. 3:11fight those who believe not in God and the last day
84. 3:16and do not forbid what God and his messenger have forbidden
85. 3:19so the grounds for fighting them is not because they oppressed you
86. 3:22it's not because they attacked you
87. 3:24it's because they don't believe what you believe
88. 3:26OK let me continue
89. 3:28such men as practice not the religion of truth
90. 3:31and again according to the Quran
91. 3:33the religion of truth is Islam
92. 3:36being of those who have been given the book
93. 3:38until they pay jizya out of hand and have been humbled
94. 3:42now let's see how Umar implemented this text
95. 3:45now note what my opponent said earlier
96. 3:47either
97. 3:47I was going to interpret the text on the basis of false Assumption
98. 3:51or my ignorance well
99. 3:53I'm going to let Umar interpret the text
100. 3:55and then he's going to have to apply that criteria to his taif
101. 3:58maybe he was ignorant or he was
102. 4:01operating
103. 4:01under the false Assumption that this passage mandated offensive jihad
104. 4:05let's see this is from Ibn Kathir
105. 4:08this honorable I now know the composition of this passage
106. 4:11was revealed with the people of the book
107. 4:14after the pagans were defeated
108. 4:17note he subjugated the Arabs
109. 4:19those who were idolaters
110. 4:21the people entered Allah's religion in large numbers
111. 4:24and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslim's control
112. 4:29you see what he implements this passage
113. 4:31when he has enough manpower and resources to spread Islam
114. 4:35by the sword offensively
115. 4:36so this is stage 3 now
116. 4:38let's read on what he says about Umar's application of this passage
117. 4:41the subheading of Ibn Kathir is quite telling
118. 4:44paying jizya is a sign of Kufur and disgrace
119. 4:48so why do Christians and Jews pay this jizya
120. 4:50as a sign that they've been humiliated and disgraced because of Islam
121. 4:55this is not me saying it these are his scholars saying this
122. 4:58and this is what he goes on to say
123. 4:59with willing submission in defeat and subservience
124. 5:04and feel themselves subdued
125. 5:06meaning disgraced humiliated and belittled
126. 5:10that sure sounds like Islam is a religion of peace
127. 5:13therefore Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of dhimma
128. 5:17meaning the Jews and Christians
129. 5:18who've been subjugated to the rule of Islam
130. 5:21or elevate them above Muslims for they are miserable
131. 5:25this is his scholar and interestingly
132. 5:27when Ibn Kathir writes this
133. 5:28he's writing this when Islam is dominant
134. 5:30so he doesn't have to hide the true face of Islam
135. 5:33unlike my opponent tonight right
136. 5:35they are miserable disgraced and humiliated
137. 5:39Muslim Sahih Muslim
138. 5:41recorded from Abu Huraira
139. 5:43now who's Abu Huraira
140. 5:44the first generation of Muslims
141. 5:46Muhammad's companion that the Prophet said
142. 5:49do not initiate the Salam
143. 5:51the peace to the Jews and Christians
144. 5:53if you meet any of them in the road
145. 5:56force them to the narrowest alley
146. 5:59so if a Jew happens to walk by a Muslim and Islam is dominant
147. 6:03Muhammad gives them the right to push them off the road
148. 6:07and this is the religion of peace
149. 6:09this is why the leader of the faithful
150. 6:11Umar ibn al Khattab and it says may Allah be pleased with him
151. 6:15demanded his well known conditions
152. 6:17note this is not a choice he gave the Christians
153. 6:19this is a demand that they must meet or they're going to have to fight
154. 6:23and if they win then they keep their property or be killed
155. 6:26and their women and children taken as captives
156. 6:28demanded upon the Christians
157. 6:30these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation
158. 6:35degradation and disgrace do you see now why jizya is implemented
159. 6:40do you see what Muhammad's companions did with this passage
160. 6:44and why they implemented the jizya
161. 6:46to humiliate Jews and Christians who are living under the rules
162. 6:48now let's look at some of the conditions
163. 6:51that the religion of peace mandates
164. 6:53of Jews and Christians to observe
165. 6:55and follow let's look at some of the conditions in the name of Allah
166. 6:58most gracious most merciful
167. 7:00this is a document to the son of Allah Umar
168. 7:03the leader of the fifth faithful
169. 7:04from Christians from such and such city
170. 7:07look at the conditions he imposed
171. 7:08we made a condition on ourselves
172. 7:10that we will neither erect in our areas
173. 7:13a monastery or a church or a sanctuary for a month
174. 7:18nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration
175. 7:22you can't even rebuild a church that's decaying
176. 7:25under the rule of Islam provided Muslims are at stage 3 right now
177. 7:29Muslims are in stage 2 stage 1 respectively
178. 7:32let's continue
179. 7:33we will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches
180. 7:36whether they come by the day or night
181. 7:38we'll open our doors to them
182. 7:39those Muslims who come as guest
183. 7:41we will enjoy boarding and fooding for them
184. 7:43food for them we'll give them food
185. 7:45we will not teach our children the Quran
186. 7:48in other words to protect our kids
187. 7:49why you shouldn't believe in the Quran
188. 7:50you have no right to teach the Quran in the privacy of your homes
189. 7:53under Islamic rule if you're a Christian or a Jew
190. 7:56and we cannot publicize practices of shirk
191. 7:59in other words if we have slogan saying that Jesus
192. 8:02Son of God that's shirk
193. 8:03you can't publicize that invite anyone to church
194. 8:06so if I wanna invite you a Muslim
195. 8:08to Christ as Lord and savior
196. 8:09I am forbidden to do so by Omar
197. 8:12one of the caliphs that Muhammad said
198. 8:14follow his Sunnah this is not an ignorant
199. 8:16this is a Muslim companion of Muhammad
200. 8:19who is faithfully implementing the orders of his
201. 8:22of his prophet and then it goes on to say
202. 8:24we will respect Muslims
203. 8:25move from our places where we sit if they choose to sit in them
204. 8:29we will not imitate their clothing
205. 8:31we will not even hang swords on our shoulders
206. 8:34collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons
207. 8:37in other words Christians don't even have a right to defend themselves
208. 8:40now he said that
209. 8:41the Quran says that it's an obligation of Muslims to fight oppressors
210. 8:45then who are fighting the Muslim oppressors of the Christians
211. 8:47who deliver them from the oppression of Islam
212. 8:49I'd like him to tell me we will have the front of our hair cut
213. 8:52refrain from erecting crosses
214. 8:53and then it concludes when I gave this document to Omar
215. 8:58not to Sam Shamoun or Robert Spencer
216. 9:00he added to it we will not beat any Muslim
217. 9:03these are the conditions that we set against ourselves
218. 9:07and followers of our religion
219. 9:09in return for safety and Protection
220. 9:11this is what you demanded
221. 9:12if we didn't meet your demands
222. 9:13you would punish us kill us and enslave our women and children
223. 9:16so we meet these demands and we ask for safety and Protection
224. 9:20see this is stage 3
225. 9:21when Muslims have the upper hand
226. 9:22these are the verses that they will be implementing
227. 9:25and imposing the rule of Islam upon everyone
228. 9:28now if you're a Jew and Christian
229. 9:29you have the quote unquote
230. 9:31privilege of living under Islamic rule
231. 9:33provided you pay the jizya as a sign of humiliation and degradation
232. 9:38that's according to the Quran
233. 9:39chapter 9 verse 29
234. 9:41that's according to Mohammed and Umar ibn al Khattab
235. 9:43his companion but it gets better or worse
236. 9:46depending on what side of the debate you're on
237. 9:48this is what Muhammad said to treat Jews and Christians under
238. 9:51under your rule Abu Basrah al Ghifari reported that the Prophet said
239. 9:55I will write to the Jews tomorrow
240. 9:56do not give them the greeting first
241. 9:58if they greet you then say on you
242. 10:00then Abu Huraira reported the Prophet said
243. 10:04do not give the people of the book the greeting first
244. 10:06force them to the narrowest part of the road
245. 10:08and this is from Al Bukhari
246. 10:10this is not my interpretation or my fortune
247. 10:12these are the words of his own scholars
248. 10:14of his own prophet of his own caliphs
249. 10:16now let's see what Salafi scholars say about offensive jihad
250. 10:20he was talking about jihad in the context of fighting oppression
251. 10:23in other words self defense
252. 10:25here's what his own scholars say about Muslims such as himself
253. 10:28who deny offensive jihad
254. 10:30jihad done by Muslims who take the initiative to subjugate
255. 10:34even those who have not harmed or fought or oppressed Muslims
256. 10:37this is what they say physical jihad is the Pinnacle of Islam
257. 10:41and some scholars regard as the sixth Islam one
258. 10:44of the strangest things to note
259. 10:46is that
260. 10:46we are living in a time when some of the Muslims are embarrassed
261. 10:50to quote the verses and ahadith
262. 10:52on jihad in front of their Catholic friends disbelievers
263. 10:56so nadir is embarrassed to quote these verses
264. 10:58and their historical context
265. 11:00I don't blame him I would be embarrassed too
266. 11:02their faces turn red
267. 11:04because they are too shy to mention the rulings on the jizya
268. 11:07on slavery and killing prisoners of war
269. 11:11they wish that they could erase these verses and ahadith
270. 11:14from the Quran and Sunnah
271. 11:16so that they would not be criticized by this world
272. 11:20with its backward principles
273. 11:22despite its claims to be civilized
274. 11:25if they cannot erase these passages
275. 11:28they try to misinterpret them and distort their meanings
276. 11:33so that they can suit the whims and desires of their masters
277. 11:36these are Salafi Muslims saying that
278. 11:38there are some Muslims who are living in the midst of unbelievers
279. 11:41and are ashamed to speak the truth about Islam and its agenda
280. 11:45to subjugate the world to Allah and his messenger
281. 11:48well if you're ashamed
282. 11:49then why are you a Muslim
283. 11:50if you can't mention these passages
284. 11:52and quote them in their proper context
285. 11:54and see how your prophet and his companions implement them
286. 11:57and you're that ashamed then why are you a Muslim
287. 12:00why are you still trying to defend a religion
288. 12:02that you're too ashamed to admit
289. 12:04it's true agenda
290. 12:04let's go on and see what it says
291. 12:06and look at the verses can be offensive in nature
292. 12:08taking the initiative in fighting this means pursuing the kaffirs
293. 12:12the unbelievers in their lands
294. 12:13it doesn't say pursue the kaffirs who pursued you
295. 12:16pursue the unbelievers who attack you
296. 12:18pursue them in their own lands
297. 12:20and come and fighting them if they do not agree rule of Islam
298. 12:25note what they did not
299. 12:26they did not say fight them until they give up oppression
300. 12:29until they give up attacking Muslims
301. 12:31it says until they accept the rule of Islam
302. 12:34and if they don't fight them
303. 12:36this is clearly from the Quran
304. 12:37and they quote his prophet
305. 12:38remember he said be careful of false interpretations
306. 12:41well I'm going to quote what they quote from his prophet
307. 12:44it was narrated from Ibn Umar
308. 12:46the Messenger of Allah said
309. 12:47I have been commanded to fight the people
310. 12:49until they bear witness that there is no god
311. 12:51but Allah did he say
312. 12:52I'm commanded to fight the people until there's no oppression
313. 12:55did he say I'm commanded to fight the people
314. 12:57until no one is attacked because of their religious beliefs
315. 13:01or was the command to fight people until they say there is no god
316. 13:05but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger
317. 13:07in other words except Islam and establish regular prayer and pay zakat
318. 13:13and if they do that then their blood and wealth is safe from me
319. 13:16except by the laws of Islam
320. 13:18and their reckoning will be with Allah again
321. 13:20they say all of these texts
322. 13:22and many others in the Quran and the Sunnah
323. 13:24mean that it is obligatory
324. 13:26for the Muslims to wage war against the kuffar
325. 13:29and take the initiative don't wait until they oppress someone
326. 13:33you take the initiative to subjugate them to the rule of Islam
327. 13:36these are his sources his scholars
328. 13:37not mine let me read some more of what the Muslims say about chapter 9
329. 13:41specifically because he mentioned about Chapter 9
330. 13:44and that chapter 9 doesn't contradict chapter 4
331. 13:46it only explains it further
332. 13:48on the contrary he mentioned chapter 9
333. 13:50verse 5 but again
334. 13:51he failed you to give you the historical context
335. 13:53Chapter 9 verse 5
336. 13:54was composed long after the pagans had already submitted to Muhammad
337. 13:59he didn't he read a part of 5 and a part of six
338. 14:01but he didn't give you the entire context
339. 14:03Chapter 9 verse 5 is discussing what Muhammad did next
340. 14:07after he subjugated the pagans of Mecca in Arabia
341. 14:10he was not satisfied keeping them in their religion
342. 14:14he had to force them to become Muslim
343. 14:16and he broke the peace treaties with them
344. 14:18not the other way around that's what his scholars say
345. 14:21not me again
346. 14:22Ibn Kathir this honorable Aya
347. 14:24chapter 9 verse 5 is called the Aya of the sword
348. 14:27about which Ad Dahab bin Muzaheem said it abrogated
349. 14:32this is not Robert Spencer or David Horowitz or Sam Shamoun
350. 14:35this is a Muslim
351. 14:36it abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet
352. 14:40and every treaty and every term
353. 14:41so this verse
354. 14:42gave Muhammad the right to break the treaties he had with the pagans
355. 14:45and force them to become Muslim
356. 14:47or be put that's the context of Chapter 9
357. 14:50that's what he didn't want you to know again
358. 14:52lest he says this is Ibn Qayyim
359. 14:54let me quote Ibn Qayyim so I'm quoting his scholars
360. 14:56he doesn't have me he has a problem with them
361. 14:58so he shouldn't be attacking me
362. 14:59he should attack Qayyim and say well
363. 15:00you know what he was false assumptions
364. 15:02you see if we apply his law
365. 15:04Ibn Jose said kill the mushrikeen wherever you find them
366. 15:08abrogating every peace treaty
367. 15:10in the Quran it is quite interesting
368. 15:12to establish that Islam only fights those who oppress Muslims
369. 15:15but these scholars understood that verse to mean
370. 15:17that Muhammad cancelled peace with every idolater
371. 15:20and now the choice they had was to become Muslim
372. 15:22isn't it amazing this way
373. 15:24but his own scholars and his own prophet
374. 15:26and his companions interpret it a different way altogether
375. 15:29now why would he do that
376. 15:30I'll get to that in a minute
377. 15:31why he would do this again
378. 15:33even ujezae is not alone here's s U t
379. 15:36another sunny commentator
380. 15:38this first chapter 9 verse
381. 15:40verse 5 is the ayat of the sword
382. 15:42which abrogates cancels out the pardon
383. 15:45the truces and overlooking
384. 15:47as Shafi took this
385. 15:49as a proof for killing anyone who abandons the prayer
386. 15:52just abandoning the religion
387. 15:54you abandon the prayer and that's to kill you
388. 15:56according to Surah 9 verses 5 and 6
389. 15:59you see how they're interpreting these passages again
390. 16:01now why would they be so upfront and bold
391. 16:03because when these commentaries were written
392. 16:05Islam was the dominant force in the land
393. 16:08so they could be upfront and not hide or conceal anything
394. 16:12but my friend is in a different situation tonight
395. 16:14he knows that he's living in the land of unbelievers
396. 16:16and because he lives in the land of unbelievers
397. 16:18he can hide the true face of Islam
398. 16:21because the Quran and his prophet
399. 16:22and his sources say that he can conceal the true agenda of the
400. 16:27of Islam and Muhammad and it's okay with Allah
401. 16:30let me read it let me give you the verse itself and the commentaries
402. 16:35so you know that I'm not making this up
403. 16:36chapter 3 verse 28
404. 16:38when Islam is dominant when Islam has the upper hand
405. 16:41Muslims are not to befriend the disbelievers
406. 16:44but in the case that Muslims are surrounded by unbelievers
407. 16:48and the Muslims do not have the power to subjugate them
408. 16:51the Quran gives them an exception
409. 16:53it says you can befriend them outwardly
410. 16:55here it goes Chapter 3
411. 16:56verse 28 let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends
412. 17:00in preference to believers
413. 17:02who so does that has no connection with Allah
414. 17:05unless here's the the condition
415. 17:07he that wants to guard himself against them taking as it were security
416. 17:12now let me read the interpretation of this text
417. 17:15Ibn Kathir quoting Abu Darda
418. 17:17this is what he says unless you indeed fear a danger from that meaning
419. 17:21except those believers who
420. 17:22in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers
421. 17:26in this case
422. 17:27such believers are allowed to show friendship to disbelievers
423. 17:31outwardly but never inwardly
424. 17:34for instance Al Bukhari
425. 17:36this is the man who narrations
426. 17:38according to some Muslims
427. 17:39Al Bukhari recorded that Abu Adarda
428. 17:42who was a companion of Muhammad
429. 17:44the first generation
430. 17:45the ones that Muhammad said were the best implementing Islam
431. 17:48he says we smile in the face of some people like he did
432. 17:51smiling in your faces although in our hearts we curse them
433. 17:55you guys catch that a companion of Muhammad
434. 17:59smile in your faces but we curse them in our hearts
435. 18:03alright we got three minutes
436. 18:04okay now let me go
437. 18:05now he may say well no
438. 18:06this is in the case that Muslims fear for their safety
439. 18:09if you read Islamic history
440. 18:11and I'm going to prove it in my rebuttal periods
441. 18:13the ones who started the hostilities were not the unbelievers
442. 18:17this is a selective citing of Islamic sources
443. 18:20I have al Tabari Ibn Ishaq
444. 18:22and others saying that when Muhammad preached the unity of god
445. 18:25the pagans had no problems with him
446. 18:27do you know when they started having problems with him
447. 18:29when he started attacking their gods and deriding their family values
448. 18:33and traditions then they had a problem and they begged him to stop
449. 18:36and he wouldn't stop now what would you do in a situation like that
450. 18:39but see to the Muslims
451. 18:40it's okay what Muhammad does as long as you don't do it in kind to him
452. 18:44because after all he's the prophet
453. 18:45which begs the question
454. 18:46let me read what his selfie scholar says about this concealment
455. 18:50known as
456. 18:51or this is a Salafi scholar saying this note
457. 18:54this verse explains all the verses quoted above which forbid note
458. 18:58when Islam is dominant
459. 19:00they are forbidden to befriend Jews and Christians
460. 19:02they are to subjugate them
461. 19:03taking the kafirs the disbelievers as friends
462. 19:06in general terms
463. 19:07what that refers to is in cases where one has a choice
464. 19:10but in cases of fear and takia
465. 19:12it is permissible to make friends with them
466. 19:14as much as is essential to protect oneself against their
467. 19:18their evil so we are evil by nature
468. 19:20so we can do anything to protect against you evil people
469. 19:22and then Sheikh Muhammad al Sali al Uthaymeen
470. 19:25a Salafi scholar because he's a Salafi
471. 19:28this is what his scholars say
472. 19:30undoubtedly the Muslim is obligated to hate the enemies of Allah
473. 19:34it's an obligation for you Muslims
474. 19:37it's not an option you must hate the unbelievers and to disavow them
475. 19:41because this is the way of the messengers and their followers
476. 19:44but Sina Tokyo is not just for fear
477. 19:47if you're afraid
478. 19:48you can actually use deception to convert people to Islam
479. 19:51so there are two reasons for this concealment
480. 19:54to protect the true face of Islam from the unbelievers
481. 19:57lest they know the agenda of Muslims
482. 19:58and also to deceive them into becoming Muslims
483. 20:01this is what he says
484. 20:02but if a Muslim treats them with kindness and gentleness
485. 20:05in the hope that they will become Muslim and will believe
486. 20:08there's nothing wrong with that
487. 20:10and it you know
488. 20:11comes under the heading of opening their hearts
489. 20:13so it's okay pretend you like them
490. 20:15smile in their faces to get them in Islam
491. 20:17because once you come in there ain't no coming out without your head
492. 20:20but if he despairs of them becoming Muslim
493. 20:23but if he despairs of them becoming Muslim
494. 20:25then he should treat them accordingly
495. 20:27now since my time is almost up
496. 20:29I want him to address the sources
497. 20:31from authentic Islamic source material
498. 20:34I did not quote my opinion
499. 20:36I quoted Muhammad Umar bin al Khattab
500. 20:38Abu Darda Abu Huraira and his Salafi scholars
501. 20:41so if he says I was misinterpreting them
502. 20:43then blame his prophet and his companions
503. 20:45because I'm just going by their interpretation
504. 20:48not mine so using his criteria
505. 20:50criteria either they had false assumptions
506. 20:53or they were simply ignorant about Islam
507. 20:56to think Muhammad and his companions were ignorant about Islam
508. 20:59and nadir knows more than them
509. 21:00hallelujah for you nadir
510. 21:01Islam is a peaceful religion
511. 21:03he ran away from all four contentions
512. 21:06and rather he debated is Islam a friendly religion
513. 21:11are Muslims nice people or are they grumpy people
514. 21:13that's not the subject of tonight's debate
515. 21:16hypothetically what he's saying is true
516. 21:18that Muslims are the type of people who push people around
517. 21:20that is not the subject of tonight's debate
518. 21:23it is Islam is a peaceful religion
519. 21:25I made it very clear tonight
520. 21:27that Islam teaches to fight the good fight
521. 21:29for example look at the horrible oppression of people like Hitler
522. 21:33and you look at the tyranny in the places of the world today
523. 21:36Chapter 4 verse 75
524. 21:37is all inclusive and teaches us to fight the good fight
525. 21:40and fight against the oppression of the world
526. 21:42that's the subject for tonight's debate
527. 21:44he didn't refute that secondly
528. 21:46I argue tonight that Islam clearly condemns chapter
529. 21:49I'm sorry clearly condemn terrorism
530. 21:51and I appealed to chapter 9
531. 21:53verse 5 only to show that Surah 9
532. 21:565 does not abrogate 4 7
533. 21:584 91
534. 21:59it confirms ratifies and shows exactly you we are supposed to um
535. 22:05do the 4 91 spot check when we are at war
536. 22:08that's the second contention which I argued
537. 22:11third I argue tonight that um
538. 22:14Islam teaches us to make peace among mankind
539. 22:17if Muslims are a bunch of jerks
540. 22:18by the way all of that which he quoted is not from Islam
541. 22:21notice he ran away from Islam
542. 22:23because he could not find justification for anything he said in Islam
543. 22:28with the exception of one hadith about pushing
544. 22:31somebody over to the side
545. 22:32or just walking in front of them
546. 22:33and because he couldn't find fault with Islam
547. 22:36he had to run to the companions and the Salaf and people like that
548. 22:39actually I just consider myself a regular Muslim
549. 22:42but he calls me a Salafi Muslim okay
550. 22:43no problem and because he couldn't find problems with Islam
551. 22:47that's why he had to go to the scholars and
552. 22:49but tonight the debate is not what scholars believe
553. 22:51because for every scholar he proves
554. 22:53he shows says something
555. 22:54I can produce 100 scholars to say opposite against that
556. 22:58tonight we are talking about God's Word
557. 23:00the Holy Quran and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad
558. 23:03Sallallahu alaihi wasallam and what that says
559. 23:05not what the the butcher the baker and the candlestick maker says uh
560. 23:10Sam Shimon and the third and the most important contention tonight
561. 23:14Islam came to to condemn and um
562. 23:18and confront the terrorism and genocide of biblical Christianity
563. 23:23and he ran away from all three questions which I
564. 23:26which I had from and we are in hot pursuit
565. 23:28Allahu Akbar because I'm not gonna let you go
566. 23:31you have to answer those three questions well
567. 23:33let's go to the Salaf he says you as a Muslim you are a Salafi
568. 23:36you have to follow the Salaf alright
569. 23:37let's go there man let us see who is one of the most prominent Salafs
570. 23:41Abu Hanifa let us see what he says
571. 23:43he said it is forbidden for you to follow the Salaf
572. 23:46it is forbidden for you to follow me unless
573. 23:49unless you know where I get my proofs and evidences from
574. 23:54the Quran and the Sunnah so according to Abu Hanifa
575. 23:57he said it is forbidden it's a sin for you to follow Salah
576. 24:01if you don't know where they get their evidences from
577. 24:04and this is a minhaj this is a methodology of all the Salah
578. 24:07because they all said
579. 24:09they were against what is known as blind following
580. 24:12you do not blind follow them
581. 24:14rather you look at their actions
582. 24:16is there something in scripture which can back up what they are saying
583. 24:19what they are doing if not
584. 24:21the Salaf said and this is unanimous agreement
585. 24:24and take my opinion and throw it to the wall
586. 24:27and follow what the Messenger of Allah and um
587. 24:30and the Prophet and and what the Quran said
588. 24:32so Sam
589. 24:33we went to the Salah
590. 24:34and the Salah sent us right back to the scripture and said
591. 24:36follow the Quran all right
592. 24:38chapter 9 verse 20
593. 24:39and I want to thank you for bringing that up
594. 24:41fight them
595. 24:42I've been ordered to fight them until they believe in the last day
596. 24:45and from them you know
597. 24:46the wealth is safe you know that hadith which he quoted for you
598. 24:49where can we find those orders
599. 24:50he's been ordered by who god
600. 24:52that's chapter 9 verse 29
601. 24:54where it says fight the disbelievers and don't
602. 24:56and those who don't believe in the last day
603. 24:58until they pay the jizya and feel themselves subdued
604. 25:01that's the orders he was talking about
605. 25:03let us look at this verse in its proper context okay
606. 25:06not the way Omar understood it
607. 25:07but the context of the Quran
608. 25:09because remember what the Salaf said
609. 25:11the Salaf said if you cannot find justification what I'm
610. 25:14for what I'm saying from the script and throw my opinion away
611. 25:17and first of all there's no evidence that Omar started a war
612. 25:20against a peaceful nation of people
613. 25:21there's no evidence of that
614. 25:22but tonight's not a debate over what Omar did
615. 25:25but what Islam teaches let us go to this verse over here
616. 25:28when we look at the context of chapter 9
617. 25:30verse 29 it was right after this verse was revealed
618. 25:33they went and fought the Roman
619. 25:34the Christians in the in
620. 25:36who were the Romans at that time
621. 25:37in Tabuk but the only problem was
622. 25:39they were already at war with the Romans
623. 25:42before 9:29 was even revealed
624. 25:45they fought the battle of Mota one year before that
625. 25:47therefore chapter 9
626. 25:49verse 29 within its historical context
627. 25:51what not to initiate and start a war with people
628. 25:55but to continue a war which has already been started
629. 26:00that's the context of chapter 9
630. 26:01verse 9 and when I talked about jizya
631. 26:03until they believe either convert
632. 26:05pay the jizya or fight
633. 26:07these are not reasons to begin and initiate or declare war
634. 26:12but these are military objectives to achieve on the battlefield
635. 26:16that's why you see the word until then
636. 26:18so this is and when you look at the context of Chapter 9
637. 26:21let's now look at the internal context
638. 26:22when you look at the internal context
639. 26:24it was not to begin a war
640. 26:26the if you look at the chapter 9
641. 26:28the declaration of war begins from 1 to uh
642. 26:311 through 6 that's the declaration of war
643. 26:33so even inside the context of the Quran
644. 26:35it was to continue a war which has already been started
645. 26:40now
646. 26:40why was it so important to fight the Romans or the Byzantine Empire
647. 26:44whose emperor at this time was Heraclius
648. 26:47why was it so important to fight him
649. 26:49well to put it simply
650. 26:50Heraclius was the adult Hitler of the Middle East
651. 26:54when the when the
652. 26:55when the Romans invaded the Persian
653. 26:57or invaded the Holy Land the Jews came out there to greet him
654. 27:00and they were very happy for the Roman
655. 27:02and that's when the Christians
656. 27:04the Christian clergy got together
657. 27:05and decided to give the good news of the gospel to the Jewish people
658. 27:10and they said
659. 27:11the time has come for the complete extermination of the Jewish race
660. 27:16and thus the Holocaust was commenced
661. 27:19and the Jews men
662. 27:20women and children were slaughtered
663. 27:22just like what we read inside First Samuel chapter 15
664. 27:25verse 3 all men and women were slaughtered and children
665. 27:29and the Jews ran in all different directions
666. 27:31uh north and south and wherever they went
667. 27:33they were intercepted by the born again Christian centurions
668. 27:36and put to the sword so the problem is
669. 27:39does the Bible really teach us stuff
670. 27:40yes it does
671. 27:41or else I would not have mentioned it
672. 27:42so why is this very important
673. 27:44why is this important
674. 27:45the complete extermination of the Jews was imminent
675. 27:48nothing stood in their way except one man
676. 27:51and that was Prophet Muhammad
677. 27:52Sallallahu alaihi wasallam
678. 27:53and that's the context of chapter 9
679. 27:55verse 29 because had Muhammad not fought the Romans
680. 27:59then I don't think there would be any Jew today
681. 28:02now that is not my opinion
682. 28:03like I said I don't give my own personal opinion
683. 28:06let us see from the Jewish Virtual Library
684. 28:08let us see what the Jewish historians have to say about this
685. 28:11let us get into this thing
686. 28:13and this is the Jewish Virtual Library
687. 28:15a division of the American Israeli cooperative enterprise
688. 28:18he says when the when the Christian emperor
689. 28:21uh Heraclius game
690. 28:22he ordered the Jews killed and all synagogues destroyed
691. 28:25and then he concludes this is very important
692. 28:27look what he says here it looked like the end of Judaism in Judea
693. 28:31however things were going on in the Arabian desert
694. 28:35that within a seven years
695. 28:36would change the picture of the Near East and of the whole world
696. 28:39and that man is Prophet Muhammad
697. 28:41Sallallahu alayhi wasallam
698. 28:42had it and this is the evidence
699. 28:44this is the historical evidence
700. 28:45of why I say Islam is a religion of peace
701. 28:47because it came to confront
702. 28:50and condemn the genocide of biblical Christianity
703. 28:54and if Christian if the Bible didn't teach that
704. 28:57I wouldn't raise up this point
705. 28:58but we know the Bible does teach that
706. 29:00oh and not to be outdone folks
707. 29:02you know in retaliation for the Holocaust
708. 29:05which was going on the in the neighboring uh
709. 29:07Persian Empire the Jews massacred Christian families
710. 29:11just like you read inside the book of Joshua
711. 29:13chapter 6 verse 21
712. 29:15killing all men women and children
713. 29:17and what they were especially known for
714. 29:20was kidnapping Christians from the Roman Empire and
715. 29:22and imprisoning them in the dungeons of the Persian
716. 29:25in the Persian Emperor Cyrus
717. 29:27where they underwent blood curdling
718. 29:29torture at the hands of their Jewish captors
719. 29:31and this was the context in which Jahad was raised
720. 29:34so on this point
721. 29:36this debate is over because we see that the
722. 29:39because of jihad
723. 29:40it saved this entire nation of people from extermination
724. 29:43and this is the difference between Islam and Christianity
725. 29:46Islam clearly condemns terrorism and genocide
726. 29:49while biblical Christianity clearly embraces it
727. 29:52as for the stages which he was talking about
728. 29:54stage 1 2
729. 29:553 that when we find people
730. 29:56when we get powerful enough
731. 29:57we attack them no such teaching as them
732. 29:59these are from his bogus interpretations
733. 30:01ah but he was a little bit clever tonight
734. 30:03he said I'm just quoting from scholars
735. 30:05so what you have to now
736. 30:06show me where they are getting their evidences from
737. 30:10from our scriptures they have to produce their evidence
738. 30:12we don't blindly follow people uh
739. 30:14but he was not able to do so
740. 30:16so stop running to scholars
741. 30:17start answering my three questions which I raised to you
742. 30:20and that's what the subject is about
743. 30:22it's not about whether we are friendly
744. 30:24nice people or whether we're a bunch of jerks
745. 30:25for tonight's debate fine
746. 30:27we're a bunch of jerks this is about Islam and the religion of peace
747. 30:30but we're actually not
748. 30:37OK it's kind of ironic that he attacked me because I quoted scholars
749. 30:41but he didn't hear who I quoted
750. 30:43I didn't quote modern scholars
751. 30:45I quoted Ibn Qayyim who was Ibn Qayyim quoting
752. 30:47he wasn't quoting some Joe Schmo
753. 30:50he was quoting Muhammad he was quoting Umar ibn al Khattab
754. 30:53he mentioned Abu Hanifa saying that you only follow a Salaf
755. 30:56provided he's given evidence from the Quran
756. 30:59but note the evidence from the Quran was provided
757. 31:01why did Umar do what he did
758. 31:03because he was implementing chapter 9
759. 31:05verse 29 of the Quran so
760. 31:06the burden of proof is on you
761. 31:07to show that he misinterpreted and misunderstood the passage
762. 31:11when he has the backing of the Muslim Ummah
763. 31:13the community agreeing with his interpretation of chapter 9
764. 31:16verse 29 so it wasn't just quoting Umar
765. 31:19it was quoting Umar as he implemented chapter 9
766. 31:22verse 29 which told him take the jizya
767. 31:25because
768. 31:26that's the way you're going to humiliate the Jews and Christians
769. 31:28and what's ironic is that he quotes a Jewish historian
770. 31:31and he quotes him with with
771. 31:33with favor because he has something nice to say about
772. 31:36about Muhammad what if I were to quote Robert Spencer to you
773. 31:39and the things he said about Muhammad
774. 31:41would you agree and accept because it's Robert Spencer
775. 31:44what if I quote David Horowitz
776. 31:46another Jew you would say
777. 31:47oh no
778. 31:47these people have an agenda against Islam
779. 31:49and what they say doesn't matter
780. 31:51so stop committing the fallacy of appealing to authority
781. 31:54and prove your case from your own Muslim scriptures
782. 31:56because in my 25 minute opening uh
783. 31:58position I quoted nothing but the Quran and the hadith
784. 32:02and your Muslim scholars not today
785. 32:05of the past
786. 32:06when they spoke forthrightly because they had nothing to hide
787. 32:09unlike you today living in the west again
788. 32:11do me a favor address the citations from Umar
789. 32:15address the citations from Abu Darda
790. 32:17address the quotations from your prophet
791. 32:19the fact that they were basing this on the Quran
792. 32:22not on their own whims and desires
793. 32:24he says that Islam is is peaceful
794. 32:26it seeks uh
795. 32:27peace and the only time it
796. 32:29it fights is because of oppression
797. 32:31well let me show you what the Quran says about that
798. 32:33here's what the Quran says about making peace
799. 32:35here it goes
800. 32:36let me just find it real quick cause I don't want him to accuse me
801. 32:38of quoting my sources out of context
802. 32:40in the Quran it says in two places contradiction
803. 32:43and I want him to reconcile the contradiction
804. 32:45and if they incline to peace
805. 32:47this is what he's been saying
806. 32:48when Muslims fight those who oppress them
807. 32:49if they incline to peace then incline to it and trust in god
808. 32:53he is the all hearing the all knowing
809. 32:55this passage seems to support his case
810. 32:57but when you read chapter 47
811. 32:5935 this is what we find
812. 33:01so
813. 33:01be not weak and ask not for peace while you are having the upper hand
814. 33:06did you catch it
815. 33:07when do you seek for peace and when do you accept terms of peace
816. 33:11when you do not have the upper hand
817. 33:13but when you have the upper hand
818. 33:15this is your Quran saying this
819. 33:17so
820. 33:17be not weak and ask not for peace while you are having the upper hand
821. 33:22so I'm not just basing it on scholars
822. 33:24I'm basing it on the Quran and their implementation of these passages
823. 33:28so let's look again at how Muslims interpreted this passage
824. 33:32this comes from a commentary attributed to Ibn Abbas
825. 33:35so do not falter do not weaken over upon fighting the disbelievers
826. 33:39and it's the same for Islam
827. 33:41before fighting before was uppermost
828. 33:43when you are the victorious
829. 33:45and the ultimate consequence will be in your favor
830. 33:47seek for peace saying when you're not uppermost
831. 33:50but now that you're uppermost right
832. 33:52don't seek for peace that's Tafsir of Ibn Abbas
833. 33:56who was a first generation Muslim and your prophet's first cousin
834. 34:00again Tafsir of jalalain
835. 34:01this comes from jalalain commenting on this passage
836. 34:04not on their own whims and vain desires
837. 34:06so do not falter do not be weak
838. 34:09uh and do not call for peace
839. 34:11that is to say a truth
840. 34:12with the disbelievers
841. 34:13should you encounter them when you have the upper hand
842. 34:15so you see again
843. 34:16this is why it's important to understand
844. 34:18the implementation of the Quran
845. 34:19depending on the stage that the Muslims find themselves in
846. 34:22if they're in stage 1 and they're surrounded by disbelievers
847. 34:25they're going to be harping on these passages
848. 34:26oh peace
849. 34:27peace Islam only fights in self defense to
850. 34:30to oppress those who oppress others
851. 34:32and to vanquish the wrongdoings done
852. 34:34to those who don't have the means to defend themselves
853. 34:37that's when they
854. 34:37what they say to you when they themselves are in the minority
855. 34:41but when they have the upper hand
856. 34:42they're going to sound a lot like Ibn Kathir disgraced
857. 34:46humiliated a lot like Umar ibn al Khattab
858. 34:49we take jizya from you as a sign of disgrace
859. 34:52and he was talking about how
860. 34:53the Byzantine ruler wanted to destroy the synagogues
861. 34:56what do you do with Umar
862. 34:57who refused the right of Christians to build new churches
863. 35:01and to also renovate those that were decaying
864. 35:04if you have a problem with Heraclius
865. 35:05then definitely you must have a problem with Umar
866. 35:08if you're going to be fair and consistent
867. 35:10and again because he likes to cite his sources quite selectively
868. 35:14he gives the impression that
869. 35:15Chapter 9 was revealed in the context of the Christians
870. 35:18attacking the Muslims
871. 35:19and he said that the Byzantines were at war with Muhammad
872. 35:22but he doesn't tell you who started the war
873. 35:25do you know who started the war with Heraclius
874. 35:27it was Muhammad because he sent them a threatening letter saying
875. 35:31become Muslim and you will be saved
876. 35:33so the one who started the war with the Christians wasn't Heraclius
877. 35:37he had no clue who Muhammad was
878. 35:39it was Muhammad who sent him a letter
879. 35:41inviting him to Islam or suffer the consequences
880. 35:44and where's the proof here it is narrated
881. 35:46Abdullah ibn Abbas
882. 35:47Heraclius then asked for the letter addressed to Allah's Apostle
883. 35:50which was delivered by Dehia to the governor of Busra
884. 35:53who forwarded to Heraclius to read
885. 35:55this is Muhammad sending a letter to Heraclius
886. 35:57Heraclius has no clue who Muhammad is
887. 35:59the contents say in the name of Allah
888. 36:01the beneficent the merciful
889. 36:03this is from Muhammad the slave of Allah and his apostle
890. 36:06to Heraclius the ruler of Byzantine
891. 36:08peace be upon him who follows the right path
892. 36:11furthermore I invite you to Islam
893. 36:12and if you become Muslim you will be safe
894. 36:15which means what if you don't become Muslim
895. 36:17then you're not safe why
896. 36:19because when Muhammad implements age 3
897. 36:20he's coming after you Heracles
898. 36:22so then who started the fight
899. 36:23see this is a selective citing of his own sources
900. 36:26I'm trying to give you the sources in their context
901. 36:29and to show you that it is Muhammad who antagonized the Jews
902. 36:32it is Muhammad who antagonized the Christians
903. 36:34it is Muhammad who antagonized the pagans
904. 36:36and when they retaliated to defend themselves
905. 36:38you have a problem so
906. 36:39it's okay if he bullies people
907. 36:41and forces them to believe he's a prophet
908. 36:43and when they have good grounds to reject his prophet hood
909. 36:46because they see that he contradicts their scriptures
910. 36:48that's not a good enough excuse
911. 36:49when I get to stage 3 I'm gonna show you guys
912. 36:51and I'm gonna subjugate you to my rule and disgrace you
913. 36:55that's the true face of Islam folks
914. 36:56and then he said about that her uh
915. 36:59Muslims saved the Jews from the slaughter of Heraclius
916. 37:02then who saved the 600 to 900 Jews who were beheaded in a day
917. 37:06the tribe of Banu Qurayza
918. 37:08and you know what's astonishing thing
919. 37:10he quotes a source that says that Suad was one of them
920. 37:13he wasn't he wasn't a Jew
921. 37:15you misquoted your source
922. 37:16he was actually a pagan Arab who had problems with the Bani Qurayza
923. 37:21and if you read the Muslim sources
924. 37:22the Bani Qurayza didn't do anything
925. 37:24to betray the treaty he had with Muhammad
926. 37:27and that comes from Musnad Ahmed
927. 37:29your own sources so again
928. 37:31you're selectively signing your sources
929. 37:32to justify the genocide of 600 to 900 Jews
930. 37:37because Muhammad wanted to get rid of those
931. 37:39who did not accept his prophetic claims
932. 37:41he saw the Jews as a challenge
933. 37:43when the Jews would go to their scripture and say well
934. 37:45what you bring is nothing like what we have in the Torah
935. 37:48we don't find your description in the Torah
936. 37:50so he took that as a pretext to attack them
937. 37:53and again what's the proof
938. 37:54here's the proof from your sources
939. 37:56this comes from Tarikh al Tabari
940. 37:57the history of Al Tabari
941. 37:59according to Yunus bin Abdullah bin Wahab bin Zayd
942. 38:02the prophet used to turn to Jerusalem for 16 months
943. 38:05he used to pray towards Jerusalem to appease the Jews for 16 months
944. 38:09but then he changed his prayer direction
945. 38:11and do you know why because the Jews started mocking him
946. 38:14because they saw this guy claiming to be a prophet
947. 38:16and they knew better from their scriptures he was no prophet
948. 38:19then they started mocking him
949. 38:20it says it reached his ears that the Jews were saying
950. 38:23by God Muhammad and his companions do not know where their qibla is
951. 38:27their direction we taught them their religion
952. 38:29we gave them their prayer direction
953. 38:31and they were speaking the truth
954. 38:32because if you read these sources
955. 38:34you'll note that Muhammad didn't just face Jerusalem
956. 38:36when he went to Medina where the Jews were
957. 38:38he was facing Jerusalem even in Mecca
958. 38:40even though he claimed the Kaaba was the first house of worship
959. 38:44built for god why was he still facing Jerusalem in Mecca
960. 38:48because he believed that in appeasing the Jews
961. 38:51they would be convinced he was a prophet
962. 38:52why he didn't fall for it
963. 38:54he turned against them in fact
964. 38:56he threatens them this comes from Sahih Bukhari
965. 38:58it says that it is related that Abu Huraira said
966. 39:01while we were in the mosque
967. 39:02the Messenger of Allah came out and said
968. 39:05go to the Jews when we went out and came to the house of the Jews
969. 39:08he said become Muslim and you will be safe
970. 39:11no the same thing he said to Heraclius
971. 39:14become Muslim and you will be safe
972. 39:16in other words if you don't
973. 39:18you won't in fact
974. 39:18he says I want to expel you from this land
975. 39:21why because the entire earth belongs to Allah and his messenger
976. 39:25so I'm going to invite my friend to not selectively cite his sources
977. 39:29and quote certain scholars that approve of Muhammad
978. 39:32and ignore all
979. 39:33tons of hadith and verses from the Quran and early history
980. 39:37by Muslims who love Muhammad
981. 39:39not Robert Spencer or David Horowitz
982. 39:42these were Muslims who love Muhammad
983. 39:44and they're telling you this is the true face of Islam