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Rwanda Genocide: Carl Wilkens-The American that Stayed Behind — Transcript

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  1. 0:01[Music]
  2. 0:16[Music]
  3. 0:25[Music]
  4. 0:28than
  5. 0:35morning I'm going to I I am for the last
  6. 0:40sheh 2008 years yeah for the last eight
  7. 0:44years I've been traveling around the
  8. 0:45schools talking about Rwanda so I've
  9. 0:47told these stories a few times before uh
  10. 0:50for the last eight years I mean four
  11. 0:52years I've been doing it fulltime
  12. 0:56and sometimes for my own sanity and
  13. 0:58sometimes because I'm trying to discover
  14. 1:00new things I just take it from a
  15. 1:02different angle so so this morning I
  16. 1:04decided we're going to take this from a
  17. 1:06different angle we won't necessarily
  18. 1:08follow a lot of pictures although we'll
  19. 1:10come back to them but let's just use
  20. 1:12good old Google Earth for a minute to
  21. 1:15zoom on down in here you know guys this
  22. 1:18line right here in South Sudan a year
  23. 1:20ago a year and a couple of months ago
  24. 1:23when I was speaking in schools um on the
  25. 1:26East Coast I was begging students to
  26. 1:29contact their Senators their legislators
  27. 1:31because everybody was saying that come
  28. 1:34January that's a year ago January
  29. 1:37there's going to be a war here in Sudan
  30. 1:39they're saying the government forces in
  31. 1:41the north are bringing their soldiers
  32. 1:43down and and and and the south is
  33. 1:46gathering together all their old rebel
  34. 1:47forces and I was just begging students
  35. 1:50to contact their representatives or
  36. 1:52senators and let the people know
  37. 1:54especially the people in South Sudan
  38. 1:56people in North and South but won't get
  39. 1:57into the details let them know we care
  40. 2:00and and I said you know imagine if you
  41. 2:02could have a part in stopping a war who
  42. 2:05who who Who's going to get out of bed in
  43. 2:07the morning and think they could they
  44. 2:09could be part of stopping a war and it
  45. 2:11happened the war did not happen a new
  46. 2:14country was born unfortunately there's
  47. 2:17still a lot of guns and a lot of stress
  48. 2:19and a lot of people who are facing
  49. 2:22death but when we when we actually do
  50. 2:27something it it makes it anyway I get on
  51. 2:30I don't know if you look at a map and
  52. 2:31you see a border like that might not
  53. 2:33make you emotional but this this border
  54. 2:36here means a ton to me but but let's
  55. 2:38zoom on down in here and and uh actually
  56. 2:41okay I'm easily distracted come back up
  57. 2:43here for a minute this part let's see
  58. 2:46what'll come in here on Google Earth as
  59. 2:48we come in here to DAR 4 I haven't
  60. 2:51loaded I just loaded this got the little
  61. 2:52laptop a month ago I love Mr Mac here
  62. 2:55but um okay it's not loading up on you
  63. 2:58so I'm not going to take the time uh
  64. 3:00there was a kid going to college about
  65. 3:02six years ago and and in this part of
  66. 3:04Sudan um the DAR for region is where
  67. 3:08they've been killing people the
  68. 3:09government has been killing its own
  69. 3:10people that's really the reason I quit
  70. 3:12my job and started traveling to schools
  71. 3:14CU I was in Rwanda when the Rwandan
  72. 3:16government was killing its people and I
  73. 3:19was wondering does the rest of the world
  74. 3:20give a rip and and now I'm outside and
  75. 3:23the Sudanese government is killing his
  76. 3:25people I'm like yeah I give a rip and I
  77. 3:27and I and I quit my job and started
  78. 3:28traveling to schools and so this is why
  79. 3:30I'm I'm easily distracted but but the
  80. 3:32boy in college 6 years ago his named
  81. 3:34Michael Graham the government was
  82. 3:37denying that they were killing their own
  83. 3:39people and and Google Earth had just
  84. 3:41come out and and Michael's thinking wow
  85. 3:44okay the government is denying it but
  86. 3:45the people are telling us their their
  87. 3:47towns are being bombed they're they're
  88. 3:49doing homemade bombs in these planes
  89. 3:51that they're throwing out and they're
  90. 3:52doing regular old kind of destructive
  91. 3:55bombs and doing all kinds of stuff
  92. 3:56Google Earth will have pictures right
  93. 3:59and and so he he emails gets on finds
  94. 4:02the head of Google Google Google whoever
  95. 4:06the head is and and and the and and he
  96. 4:08says listen we're we've got this crisis
  97. 4:11going on did you guys would you care do
  98. 4:12you and they're like Absol they come and
  99. 4:14visit he was going to LS and Clark
  100. 4:16College some of you are probably seniors
  101. 4:18you're wondering maybe you already know
  102. 4:19where you're headed next year Lewis and
  103. 4:21Clark's pretty amazing School in
  104. 4:22Portland little plug there but but um
  105. 4:25but
  106. 4:27Michael contacts the head of Google they
  107. 4:30actually visit the school the President
  108. 4:32of University was pretty surprised to
  109. 4:33hear Google heads coming what's up
  110. 4:34Michael anyway they use their technology
  111. 4:38and if I would have loaded the program
  112. 4:39right here and some of you can get on
  113. 4:40and find it they have ways to show how
  114. 4:43you know 5 years ago here was Town Happy
  115. 4:47Gardens two weeks ago decimated burnt
  116. 4:51destroyed people so you know the women
  117. 4:53in the camps were just starting to wear
  118. 4:56colored clothes again because for so
  119. 4:57long at home they realized if they wore
  120. 4:59colored clothes when when the when the
  121. 5:02military the the government gunships
  122. 5:04would come in and stuff like that and
  123. 5:06and if they if their sons if their D if
  124. 5:08their husbands who were who would be on
  125. 5:10watch didn't actually see it coming and
  126. 5:12stuff like that and they'd be fleeing
  127. 5:14from their homes you can imagine running
  128. 5:15on this kind of desert kind of floor
  129. 5:18with a bright colored you become a
  130. 5:19Target I mean these are strange little
  131. 5:21things we often don't think of there's
  132. 5:24there's a fabulous book um it's called
  133. 5:28the translator and it'll introduce you
  134. 5:30to what's going on and if you'd like to
  135. 5:32have a read that's very hard to lay down
  136. 5:34and very
  137. 5:35powerful sometimes really I mean I was
  138. 5:37reading it on the plane a couple years
  139. 5:39ago and then one part you know the tears
  140. 5:40are starting to come down my cheeks I'm
  141. 5:42like I got to stop reading this book for
  142. 5:43a moment and people think I'm I don't
  143. 5:45know what they'll think I'm doing here
  144. 5:46on this plane but it's a very very
  145. 5:49powerful powerful story da the the young
  146. 5:52man on the cover he he uses his English
  147. 5:55he was at that time using his English to
  148. 5:58as as a tool taking reporters from
  149. 6:02National Geographic CNN and stuff across
  150. 6:04the border from Chad where the camps are
  151. 6:08into Dar for region he he had on his
  152. 6:10cell phone the numbers of the Rebel
  153. 6:12leaders in the area and he would call
  154. 6:14them before he'd go into their area
  155. 6:17everybody's got cell phones you know I I
  156. 6:19often would look at these robes and say
  157. 6:21where do you keep your cell phone but
  158. 6:23but but anyway d one day he he runs on
  159. 6:27um he doesn't have the right connection
  160. 6:29the right number and um but he's like
  161. 6:31he's been doing this he's going to wing
  162. 6:32it and he's got a National Geographic
  163. 6:34guy with him he convinces I think the
  164. 6:36guy's name the pickup truck driver's
  165. 6:38name was Abdul convinces Abdul to do it
  166. 6:40against Abdul's better judgment you'll
  167. 6:42understand why in a moment and um but he
  168. 6:45doesn't have the number they crossed the
  169. 6:47border into Chad and uh they're quickly
  170. 6:50intercepted by some Rebels he hadn't
  171. 6:52made his contacts they take the um
  172. 6:54National Geographic reporter one way
  173. 6:55they take dud and Abdul another
  174. 6:57Direction three days torture question
  175. 7:00you're Spies all this kind of stuff and
  176. 7:02finally at about the third day um the
  177. 7:06commander of the group says to four
  178. 7:0716-year-olds with their kalashnikovs
  179. 7:10with their assault rifles he says take
  180. 7:12them over there where you kill everybody
  181. 7:13and kill them and so dud is marching to
  182. 7:17the to the death spot but what's really
  183. 7:20interesting is even while he's walking
  184. 7:22to the death spot as he gets closer and
  185. 7:25there's bones of people who have been
  186. 7:26killed before him he tries to be careful
  187. 7:28not to step on their bones he has such a
  188. 7:31respect for for life and humans and the
  189. 7:34value and and then stop there you know
  190. 7:37the ORD barked and they stop and and as
  191. 7:39the boys are raising their guns Dow says
  192. 7:41um guys I don't blame you for what
  193. 7:44you're doing I know you've been ordered
  194. 7:46to do this but could you find something
  195. 7:48we could use as as a blindfold and and
  196. 7:51and the one boy who was kind of in
  197. 7:53charge he's like what for and and do
  198. 7:56says he's been with him for a few days
  199. 7:58I've been around the campfire and and he
  200. 7:59heard them talking and stuff he points
  201. 8:01at one and he says I actually went to
  202. 8:03high school with your older brother he
  203. 8:05points at another one and he says I I
  204. 8:07just met your family I heard you talking
  205. 8:08and then I met your family and he names
  206. 8:10a a refugee camp that he had just met
  207. 8:13his boy they would be so excited to know
  208. 8:15you're still alive and the boys you know
  209. 8:17their guns are kind of lowering and and
  210. 8:19and the one boy you you went to school
  211. 8:20with my brother my family's still alive
  212. 8:22and he says he could see this little
  213. 8:25flicker of Life come back into their
  214. 8:28eyes you see every time they had pulled
  215. 8:30their trigger it wasn't just taking
  216. 8:32someone else's life it was it was taking
  217. 8:35part of their own life and well needless
  218. 8:37to say they didn't shoot him but but D
  219. 8:41anyway the book is an incredible read
  220. 8:44and and and one of the reasons that that
  221. 8:47I I love this book and one of the
  222. 8:48reasons that I'm so passionate about
  223. 8:50stories I mean you can see I'm sorry
  224. 8:52those pictures are so small but the the
  225. 8:54homes the areas that have been that that
  226. 8:56were you know have been destroyed by the
  227. 8:58government and St stuff um one of the
  228. 9:01reasons where do I have these silly
  229. 9:02things up here yeah come with me here
  230. 9:04for a second right
  231. 9:05there uh um I usually look for a guy
  232. 9:09okay cuz I'm going to slug you in the
  233. 9:12shoulder we get input right somebody
  234. 9:15says something to us he wonder what's
  235. 9:17going to happen I'm just I'm just going
  236. 9:19to give him a little input okay just a
  237. 9:22little input and they tell us tell me if
  238. 9:26this is true in a second they tell us
  239. 9:28that when we get input we think we
  240. 9:32feel and we act now what was his action
  241. 9:37his action was just kind of the Grim
  242. 9:38like I don't know what this guy's going
  243. 9:39to do but I mean th this sequence is is
  244. 9:43what they tell us happens sometimes not
  245. 9:45always in that you know linear circular
  246. 9:47and kind but basically like this we get
  247. 9:50input and then people focus on the last
  248. 9:52part the action part would you stop
  249. 9:55doing that oh I at a high school where
  250. 9:57North Carolina two weeks ago get your
  251. 9:59feet off the furniture you ever heard
  252. 10:01that before huh we focus on the actions
  253. 10:03and yeah maybe they'll take their feet
  254. 10:05down slowly or whatever did somebody
  255. 10:07other their feet up on the front anyway
  256. 10:08and and and then but but then the feet
  257. 10:11are back on the front and you know the
  258. 10:12change doesn't come when we focus on the
  259. 10:15action and the feelings that are driving
  260. 10:18well those are those are pretty scary
  261. 10:20things at times and they're powerful
  262. 10:21things and stuff like that but the real
  263. 10:23change comes in our thinking when we
  264. 10:26think different we feel different the
  265. 10:28problem is often often we don't think we
  266. 10:31assume yeah that's a little tension
  267. 10:33getter but but we make assumptions about
  268. 10:37people we make assumptions based on
  269. 10:39their height we make assumptions based
  270. 10:41on their skin color we make assumptions
  271. 10:42based on the clothes they wear we make
  272. 10:44assumptions on their weight we make all
  273. 10:46kinds of assumptions about people and
  274. 10:48those assumptions often Drive our
  275. 10:50feelings which Drive our actions so you
  276. 10:53understand when a story comes along a
  277. 10:56story has the potential to change the
  278. 10:58way we or assume the way we think or the
  279. 11:00way we assume and that then can change
  280. 11:03the way we feel dud was standing there
  281. 11:06about to be shot and he starts to tell
  282. 11:09them well it's kind of like a story I
  283. 11:11went to high school with your brother I
  284. 11:13just met your family dud is rehumanizing
  285. 11:17himself he was just a
  286. 11:19Target they're going to go and shoot him
  287. 11:22over there like they shot the other
  288. 11:23people and then they'll go to lunch just
  289. 11:24another day but he changed himself from
  290. 11:28a Target
  291. 11:29to a human he re that's why I'm really
  292. 11:32passionate about the power St that's why
  293. 11:34it's so cool you guys I don't know where
  294. 11:36these people were when I was in school I
  295. 11:37hated English but there's these awesome
  296. 11:39English teachers now who yeah
  297. 11:45absolutely I I think that I think that
  298. 11:49that there might have been a few around
  299. 11:50when I was in school maybe a little bit
  300. 11:52was my fault but but but the whole idea
  301. 11:56that English is is about stories is
  302. 11:59communicating life I mean you you saw
  303. 12:02Freedom Writers and
  304. 12:04anyway back to our we were diving in
  305. 12:07back to our map right weren't we there
  306. 12:10here and we're we're going to go down
  307. 12:14south Congo Rwanda this is where we were
  308. 12:18living for six years okay one more
  309. 12:20distraction come down a little lower
  310. 12:23here and uh Harari Zimbabwe this is the
  311. 12:27first country I moved to Africa right
  312. 12:29out of college and if we even went down
  313. 12:31even farther into South Africa that's
  314. 12:33why you don't want to give me a map
  315. 12:35right here in in um South Africa right
  316. 12:38along what they called The Wild Coast
  317. 12:39was the first place I went in Africa
  318. 12:41when I was in college you get a chance
  319. 12:43to take time out from college our school
  320. 12:45had an awesome service learning program
  321. 12:47and I spent a year in the trans skyp
  322. 12:49back in
  323. 12:501978 um but anyway let's go back up it
  324. 12:53seems It's just interesting each time
  325. 12:55I've gone back to Africa we've moved a
  326. 12:57little farther north my wife and I were
  327. 12:59just married when we moved to Zimbabwe
  328. 13:01she's 22 I was 23 we were fresh out of
  329. 13:03college I studied as a a high school
  330. 13:06shop teacher auto mechanics and welding
  331. 13:08and all that kind of stuff so anyway
  332. 13:10I'll tell you a little more about what
  333. 13:11we were doing in Rwanda in a minute but
  334. 13:14I'm going to just take us into the city
  335. 13:16I'll take you to our house where we
  336. 13:18lived and um I'm going to dive right
  337. 13:20into a story in the middle of this
  338. 13:23horrible three months of Slaughter in
  339. 13:26this little that little country
  340. 13:29most densely populated country in
  341. 13:32Africa I hate to say the numbers because
  342. 13:36sometimes numbers just really mess us
  343. 13:38around we think we understand when we
  344. 13:41can count and yet often that that that
  345. 13:44clouds the picture it doesn't make it
  346. 13:46clearer but I'll use them a little bit
  347. 13:49just because we don't have a lot of time
  348. 13:50here together this morning they people
  349. 13:52were being killed like 5 6
  350. 13:557,000 10,000 people in a day
  351. 13:59it's
  352. 14:02it's it's
  353. 14:04incomprehensible but it was it was
  354. 14:06happening in this little country let's
  355. 14:08go from the airport we might go back
  356. 14:10there past the soccer stadium and and uh
  357. 14:13past the Parliament building past a
  358. 14:15statue where everybody likes to get
  359. 14:17their their wedding pictures taken
  360. 14:20there's there's a woman with a child in
  361. 14:23the middle and on a Saturday you often
  362. 14:25see a wedding party on each sidewalk
  363. 14:27everybody just likes their picture but
  364. 14:29let's let's go on down this road to um
  365. 14:33our house we'll go past there's a bunch
  366. 14:35of hotels and government buildings and
  367. 14:38shoot melum what's this Carnegie
  368. 14:42melon say that carneg Millan yeah I
  369. 14:46didn't I I was twisting the name they've
  370. 14:47just set up a college in the building
  371. 14:50right over right back here I just saw
  372. 14:53right there when I was there in Rwanda
  373. 14:55last month they've just set up over
  374. 14:58there in Rwanda and the American Embassy
  375. 15:00is right down at the they've even got a
  376. 15:01pool at the American Embassy down at the
  377. 15:04end of the road but you turn here come
  378. 15:07down one intersection two intersections
  379. 15:09and turn in how this yeah you're seeing
  380. 15:11okay up there um and there's the roof of
  381. 15:14our house now let's do this thing let's
  382. 15:18turn it around like we used to sort of
  383. 15:23see and there's the roof of our house
  384. 15:25and let's do this thing
  385. 15:29isn't it
  386. 15:31cool and let's turn so we're now going
  387. 15:34to be
  388. 15:36looking okay there's the there's the
  389. 15:38embassy there's the foot soccer field
  390. 15:40above our house so you can't see our
  391. 15:41roof very well and uh we went too far
  392. 15:44let's turn back oops let's turn back
  393. 15:48this way yeah so I want you to get the
  394. 15:51picture from our house
  395. 15:55whoa okay the roof of our house right
  396. 15:58there and you look across the valley and
  397. 16:01you look up here to the downtown section
  398. 16:03of the city now this isn't perfect 3D
  399. 16:06and stuff so you can't see all the
  400. 16:08skyscrapers and stuff like that but
  401. 16:09there's the Holy Family Church right
  402. 16:11here and
  403. 16:14um I'm just going to pause on that
  404. 16:16picture because we're going to dive into
  405. 16:17the story now so you see where our house
  406. 16:19was you're looking at the city um the
  407. 16:22president's plane has been shot down
  408. 16:24probably I don't know 5 7,000 foreigners
  409. 16:28have left people from America from Egypt
  410. 16:31from Canada from China people from
  411. 16:33France they've all left
  412. 16:37foreigners that I could I say well just
  413. 16:41white foreigners easily identifiable
  414. 16:43there were some foreigners there from
  415. 16:45Africa I think still other African
  416. 16:46nations and I and I wasn't able to pick
  417. 16:48them out but but of of all those 5 7,000
  418. 16:51who left 10 of us stayed there was a
  419. 16:54French man that I want to tell you about
  420. 16:56this morning Mark Mark had long long
  421. 16:58hair and a beard and the kids called him
  422. 17:01Jesus Mark when when all the foreigners
  423. 17:04were leaving Mark said no he had a house
  424. 17:07with 12
  425. 17:09orphans I'm I'm not leaving how can I
  426. 17:12leave these kids how can I leave these
  427. 17:14these little ones and so mark it was
  428. 17:16just no I'm not leaving I mean I know a
  429. 17:19lot of the other foreigners had
  430. 17:20difficult decisions and hard to make but
  431. 17:22but Mark I'm not leaving Mark's house
  432. 17:24unfortunately we could we could have
  433. 17:26Googled Earth over to it up on the top
  434. 17:29right hand corner but his house
  435. 17:30unfortunately took a mortar just behind
  436. 17:33our house the rebels were controlling
  437. 17:35the city and they were launching mortars
  438. 17:37into the downtown section of the city so
  439. 17:39regular that we had an African gray our
  440. 17:42daughter she had an African gray parent
  441. 17:44the birds started whistling like mortars
  442. 17:47the bird was sitting in his cage
  443. 17:49going and and so that's how regular the
  444. 17:52mortars were and one of those mortars
  445. 17:54unfortunately hit Mark's house nobody
  446. 17:56was hurt I mean it was an it was like a
  447. 17:59miracle the house was damaged nobody was
  448. 18:01hurt couldn't live there anymore and he
  449. 18:03had to move into another church that I
  450. 18:05won't take the time not the Holy Family
  451. 18:07Church but another the basement of a
  452. 18:08church up to the to the top leftand
  453. 18:11corner there with his kids and as time
  454. 18:13went on this killing was going
  455. 18:16on more and more kids came parents were
  456. 18:20kill parents were looking for a safe
  457. 18:22place and here's a foreigner maybe my
  458. 18:25kids will be safe with this Foreigner so
  459. 18:27by the time the genocide end there were
  460. 18:28more than 200 kids with
  461. 18:31Jesus and and and Mark was just doing
  462. 18:35everything he could not only to protect
  463. 18:38these kids but to find food for them and
  464. 18:40I was trying to help them food and water
  465. 18:41I was at his the basement of the church
  466. 18:43one day talking to him when this woman
  467. 18:45showed up she was from a political party
  468. 18:47and I won't get into all the politics of
  469. 18:49Randa at the time but basically politics
  470. 18:51were at the bottom were at the root of
  471. 18:53the genocide if you heard a bit about
  472. 18:55the genocide if you saw Hotel Rwanda if
  473. 18:58you different things sometimes it's easy
  474. 18:59for people to think that one group of
  475. 19:01people hated another group The hutus
  476. 19:03hated the tootsies and they and they
  477. 19:05hated and killed and finally a genocide
  478. 19:07exploded and there's just nothing
  479. 19:09spontaneous about a genocide a genocide
  480. 19:12just doesn't happen it it it's hard to
  481. 19:15pull off a genocide hard but but in any
  482. 19:19case politicians very much at the at the
  483. 19:22base of the I didn't want much to do
  484. 19:24with this lady I was trying to avoid
  485. 19:25cameras and news and politicians and and
  486. 19:29and she we greeted and I introduced and
  487. 19:31Mark started to talk to her and I said
  488. 19:33thank you Mark and I just kind of
  489. 19:34quietly snuck away but before I got away
  490. 19:37there was a young man who was with her I
  491. 19:39don't know his name I've forgotten it
  492. 19:42I'm I'm sorry but I'll call him Bernard
  493. 19:46Bernard was maybe in his 20s late 20s
  494. 19:49middle 20s and um Bernard was softspoken
  495. 19:52and he said excuse me um I understand
  496. 19:55that you're helping orphans around this
  497. 19:58City and I said yeah I'm trying and and
  498. 20:03I'm thinking boy he's with the lady
  499. 20:05politician you know avoid and um and and
  500. 20:10he says I'm wondering if you could help
  501. 20:12me I I have a group of people I'm trying
  502. 20:14to help and and so you know I'm I'm I'm
  503. 20:19cautious and stuff but there's something
  504. 20:21about him he's just there's a gentleness
  505. 20:24there's a there's a sincerity something
  506. 20:26about his eyes and and and I kind of let
  507. 20:28my defenses and he says if you could
  508. 20:30help me that it would be awesome could I
  509. 20:32could I take you to where these people
  510. 20:34and so we made an appointment for the
  511. 20:35next I don't know was the next or two
  512. 20:37days later we made an appointment to
  513. 20:39meet um I said let's meet at the
  514. 20:41roadblock the checkpoint above the
  515. 20:43market it was kind of like saying let's
  516. 20:45meet at you know 7-Eleven at uh at um
  517. 20:49the corner of Oak and and Maine or
  518. 20:51something you know it's just kind of I
  519. 20:53thought just a a a landmark where we
  520. 20:57could me I showed up there in fact I
  521. 21:01during this this 3 months of killing um
  522. 21:05and I haven't shown you pictures yet of
  523. 21:06my family which I'll do that before
  524. 21:09we're done here but I started I got the
  525. 21:12idea about the second week I was stuck
  526. 21:13in my house for 3 weeks the government
  527. 21:15said nobody can come on the streets 24/7
  528. 21:18curfew the only ones on the streets were
  529. 21:20the ones doing the killing and and so
  530. 21:23the second week I'm in the house stuck
  531. 21:25there I'm reading every book I can find
  532. 21:27in the house and you know we're trying
  533. 21:28to collect rain water and there's a lot
  534. 21:29of survival stuff going on but um I
  535. 21:32decided I it must have been about the
  536. 21:34second week of genocide I got the idea
  537. 21:36of talking on a cassette recorder to
  538. 21:39record what was happening around me I
  539. 21:41honestly didn't know if I was going to
  540. 21:42survive this dark time and if I didn't
  541. 21:45survive I wanted to leave something for
  542. 21:48my wife and our three children perhaps
  543. 21:51hearing me tell
  544. 21:53stories would would remind Teresa that's
  545. 21:57my wife why we both decided that I
  546. 22:00should stay in Rwanda maybe the stories
  547. 22:02would help our children Mindy was like
  548. 22:0510 at the time Lisa was seven and Shawn
  549. 22:07was five maybe the stories would help
  550. 22:09our children understand something more
  551. 22:12of their dad above all I wanted these
  552. 22:14stories to help the four of them know
  553. 22:15that I really did love them more than
  554. 22:17anything else and I always scribbled um
  555. 22:20our home address in Spokane Washington
  556. 22:23on each tape in case something happened
  557. 22:25to me and the house was trashed maybe
  558. 22:27someone would find a tape and send it to
  559. 22:29its intended destination but but anyway
  560. 22:32I finally got those tapes out of the box
  561. 22:34just last year and I I wrote this book
  562. 22:36and
  563. 22:38um the boy the young man Bernard I
  564. 22:41wanted to just read to you the little
  565. 22:43paragraph or two here when I when I met
  566. 22:46him the next day at that at that
  567. 22:48Landmark at that checkpoint um next day
  568. 22:52I drove with Giga he's a Rwandan guy who
  569. 22:55worked with me a courageous man he hid
  570. 22:57more than 40 people in his house an
  571. 23:00amazing man C I don't know why they
  572. 23:02didn't kill him often because they broke
  573. 23:04in eventually to his house many of them
  574. 23:06fled about 20 of the 40 were kids and
  575. 23:10and his house oh man his house is small
  576. 23:13it would be like from here to the wall
  577. 23:15Square I mean and 40 people he's hiding
  578. 23:17in his house when the killers would come
  579. 23:19he had a chicken project he would offer
  580. 23:22them a chicken to go away and they would
  581. 23:26go away with the chicken and say We'll
  582. 23:27come back and kill those people another
  583. 23:29day and eventually when they did come
  584. 23:31back I they didn't kill him like I said
  585. 23:34many times they would kill people hiding
  586. 23:36they tied him up while they while they
  587. 23:39murdered some of the people in his house
  588. 23:42this is an amazing man he he's working
  589. 23:44in a nursing home in in Southbend
  590. 23:47Indiana in the dishroom every day moving
  591. 23:50these big you know the commercial
  592. 23:52dishwashers putting those things in
  593. 23:54there and stuff comes home making a
  594. 23:56night I think boy if people people knew
  595. 23:59more people knew this man's story a man
  596. 24:01of integrity anyway the next day I drove
  597. 24:04with CA to the designated roadblock and
  598. 24:07looked for the young man I'm calling
  599. 24:08Bernard I was shocked to see that he was
  600. 24:11part of a gang Manning the road block
  601. 24:14when he' suggested this meeting point I
  602. 24:16thought it was just a landmark like
  603. 24:18someone say yeah I'll meet you at the
  604. 24:19corner a second and El never crossed my
  605. 24:21mind that he might be an inter hamway
  606. 24:23that's that's what they called The
  607. 24:24Killing
  608. 24:25squads never crossed my mind he might be
  609. 24:28he saw us and turned to say a few words
  610. 24:31to his team before walking our way you
  611. 24:34can leave your car right where it is
  612. 24:36we're just going down the block he
  613. 24:38instructed gasu and I slowly rolled up
  614. 24:40our Windows climbed out and locked the
  615. 24:43door we walked one and a half blocks
  616. 24:46down the street and then turned into a
  617. 24:48vacant lot on the left the whole time
  618. 24:50we're walking my mind was concentrating
  619. 24:53on the guys at the roadblock and
  620. 24:54wondering what we were getting ourselves
  621. 24:56into in the back leftand corner of the
  622. 24:59lot Bernard wrapped on a metal door and
  623. 25:02we were ushered through the doorway into
  624. 25:04an open
  625. 25:06courtyard I scanned the area and saw
  626. 25:09about 40 people in this 60x 60t
  627. 25:12enclosure so this was the group he was
  628. 25:15helping I thought right in the middle of
  629. 25:18the plot there was a large 200 lit drum
  630. 25:20cut in half and resting on Three Stones
  631. 25:22a fire under it something bubbling
  632. 25:24inside probably lunch for everybody in
  633. 25:26the far right hand Corner was a was a
  634. 25:29powerful smelling ouse and another pile
  635. 25:32full of garbage here and they they let
  636. 25:33me through some doors on the side into
  637. 25:35some rooms people were laying on
  638. 25:36mattresses barely alive they were sick
  639. 25:39and and and somebody brought a little
  640. 25:41guy up to me and and they tilted his
  641. 25:43head back the little guy with skin and
  642. 25:45bones the the the the light was gone out
  643. 25:47of his eyes and and they tilted his head
  644. 25:49back and pus was oozing down from under
  645. 25:51his ear because he'd been hit by a piece
  646. 25:53of shrapnel and and and they said and
  647. 25:56you see we babies and and so we left and
  648. 26:00as we're walking back up the street to
  649. 26:02the car I'm not thinking about you know
  650. 26:05the guys at the roadblock anymore I'm
  651. 26:06not suspicious about Bernard I'm
  652. 26:08thinking about these people we saw and
  653. 26:10and and and I said to Bernard look I'll
  654. 26:13see what I can do I'll try to find some
  655. 26:14powdered milk I had I had found some
  656. 26:18women who were selling powdered milk at
  657. 26:19a little market and they put me in touch
  658. 26:21with their suppliers some thieves who
  659. 26:22had stolen a bunch of powdered milk from
  660. 26:24a store and I was buying from these
  661. 26:26thieves to to to help the orphans and so
  662. 26:29I said to Bernard I'll see what I can
  663. 26:31get and we'll meet back again tomorrow
  664. 26:32we climbed in our little this little
  665. 26:34Toyota Corolla sat there and and as I
  666. 26:36put the key in the ignition I I looked
  667. 26:39over at gasa and I and I said gasa a lot
  668. 26:42of those people looked like tootsies now
  669. 26:45in Rwanda it was often hard to tell
  670. 26:47who's a Hu who's a tootsie hu being the
  671. 26:50majority Tootsie being the minority but
  672. 26:53everybody speaking the same language
  673. 26:54everybody SE eating the same kind of
  674. 26:56food and you know what even marrying
  675. 26:58each other all the time so this whole
  676. 27:00idea of dividing is pretty pretty
  677. 27:03ridiculous in rwanda's case because they
  678. 27:06had so much that they were alike but
  679. 27:08anyway that's that's for another time
  680. 27:11but tootsies here's the main thing if
  681. 27:13you if you suspected somebody was a
  682. 27:15tootsie it would be because they were a
  683. 27:17bit taller or a bit lighter
  684. 27:20skinned and these are the people who are
  685. 27:22being murdered these are the people who
  686. 27:24are being
  687. 27:25exterminated and I said to cas
  688. 27:28these are the people who who everybody
  689. 27:29was trying to hide I said that wasn't
  690. 27:31much of a hiding place back there I said
  691. 27:33they look like tootsies oh yeah he says
  692. 27:34they were there were many many tootsies
  693. 27:36there and I don't know how gasa got his
  694. 27:38information he had his way talking with
  695. 27:41people and stuff and and and somehow I
  696. 27:44guess maybe when I was looking in the
  697. 27:45rooms or whatever gasa just those few
  698. 27:47moments had found
  699. 27:52out some young
  700. 27:54ladies I I always kind of struggle
  701. 27:58not just to tell their story but to find
  702. 28:00the
  703. 28:00words they were they were
  704. 28:03sacrificing their bodies to
  705. 28:06soldiers it's it's it's rape um it's
  706. 28:12it's it's rape and and and and yet
  707. 28:15they're doing this because the soldiers
  708. 28:17in exchange would then protect their
  709. 28:22families imagine if your sister is doing
  710. 28:26this to protect protect you if your
  711. 28:29daughter is doing this to protect you
  712. 28:33that's that's why I called that chapter
  713. 28:35um heroic
  714. 28:38sacrifices and so that explained how
  715. 28:42this group of people was managing to
  716. 28:44stay alive in the middle of the city and
  717. 28:46not much of a hiding place in a pretty
  718. 28:48squalid place because these young ladies
  719. 28:51were were
  720. 28:52sacrificing for their families and the
  721. 28:56next day I came back with with some
  722. 28:57powdered milk and as we came into this
  723. 29:00um
  724. 29:03Courtyard you know
  725. 29:05um crying in front of
  726. 29:08people used to bug
  727. 29:10me I'm still not real happy about
  728. 29:14it but but we're not
  729. 29:17wired for these kind of
  730. 29:21things we're not made to have a
  731. 29:24vocabulary for this I mean we've come up
  732. 29:26with this word genocide but but we're
  733. 29:28not made to to to just shrug these
  734. 29:33things
  735. 29:34off and I think to myself yeah you might
  736. 29:37be uncomfortable shedding some tears in
  737. 29:38front of people but but it's not about
  738. 29:42you it's about other people and it's
  739. 29:44about telling the story and it's about
  740. 29:48believing like
  741. 29:50d up in in Sudan that when people hear
  742. 29:54the
  743. 29:55stories it will change the way they they
  744. 29:57think and it will change the way they
  745. 29:59feel and it will change the way they act
  746. 30:03and and so I'm pretty much over it and
  747. 30:06and sometimes I don't I can tell these
  748. 30:08stories sometimes and it doesn't but
  749. 30:10every once in a while it just it
  750. 30:12does but in any case I get back there
  751. 30:14the next day and um I've got some
  752. 30:18powdered milk and everybody's pretty
  753. 30:20excited and and and we're in the
  754. 30:22courtyard and all of a sudden a lady
  755. 30:25comes running in the courtyard
  756. 30:28screaming screaming howling waving her
  757. 30:32arms just kind of putting her hands over
  758. 30:34her face and go and kind of they they do
  759. 30:36this kind of scream
  760. 30:38like and it's really a lot louder and
  761. 30:41and and and she leaves the courtyard and
  762. 30:43goes back out on the street and we're
  763. 30:44like what we follow her back out she
  764. 30:47runs into the street and she Scoops up
  765. 30:49what looks like Rags just a bundle of
  766. 30:53rags but we quickly see it's not
  767. 30:56somebody saids say it's her son and and
  768. 30:59I I get her to stop and and I put my
  769. 31:02hand there on that little guy's throat
  770. 31:04trying to find does he still and he's
  771. 31:05got a pulse you see when all the
  772. 31:08foreigners left they left their cars and
  773. 31:11of course there were many other cars
  774. 31:12besides the foreigners cars but the
  775. 31:14foreigners cars really helped uh the
  776. 31:16killers they they hotwired these cars
  777. 31:19and they ripped the doors off of them
  778. 31:21and the trunk Lids off and they would be
  779. 31:22sitting in the trunk with their assault
  780. 31:24rifles and they'd be poking their sight
  781. 31:25rifles out the opening of each and they
  782. 31:27raced around the city with all of their
  783. 31:31Terror and and their killing and and and
  784. 31:34I guess to them probably that little boy
  785. 31:35was just a sack of garbage as they hit
  786. 31:39his body and kept on going and and and I
  787. 31:41said to the mother come come quickly get
  788. 31:43him get in my car and um she gets in my
  789. 31:46car I'm not thinking now who T Tootsie
  790. 31:49obviously I'm thinking a little boy
  791. 31:51whose heart is still beaten can we get
  792. 31:53him to the Red Cross hospital and and we
  793. 31:56had to go through many roadblocks you
  794. 31:58know
  795. 31:59um uh the these checkpoints that's where
  796. 32:02people they'd have to show their ID card
  797. 32:04and if their ID card said Tootsie they
  798. 32:06would be murdered at these checkpoints
  799. 32:08and I they started to know me at these
  800. 32:10checkpoints cuz I was moving around the
  801. 32:12city and and there's a guy I guess my
  802. 32:14computer went to sleep there's a guy who
  803. 32:16um who I'm I'll hopefully I'll get a
  804. 32:18chance to show you a picture of who um
  805. 32:22was in charge a colonel in charge of the
  806. 32:24city and I think my connection with that
  807. 32:28Colonel helped me to be able to move
  808. 32:31through these checkpoints I in fact
  809. 32:33asked him partway through the genocide
  810. 32:35to try whatever influence he had to get
  811. 32:37them to to give me some cut me some
  812. 32:39slack because they were making it so
  813. 32:41hard for me to do anyway I come up to
  814. 32:43the first checkpoint and I'm thinking
  815. 32:46guys who were there at the checkpoint
  816. 32:48this little boy was just hit by a car
  817. 32:49look in my back seat and they see this
  818. 32:51bloody little guy in the back seat and
  819. 32:52mother's lap I'm going to the Red Cross
  820. 32:54and they open up and another barrier
  821. 32:56repeated and they open up another about
  822. 32:58five or six barriers and I get to the
  823. 32:59Red Cross and and take them in it's a
  824. 33:02school that they've turned into a field
  825. 33:04Hospital in a classroom put them on a
  826. 33:05table a doctor comes begins examining no
  827. 33:08no x-ray but the doctor's checking and I
  828. 33:10leave him in with the doctor I go to
  829. 33:12talk to a guy um Peter was his name
  830. 33:14trying to find more blankets for some of
  831. 33:15the other orphans I'm I'm trying to help
  832. 33:18come back about maybe an hour later 45
  833. 33:20minutes later and here's the little guy
  834. 33:22sitting on the
  835. 33:24table looking around he's all bandaged
  836. 33:28up by now I mean he looks like a little
  837. 33:30mummy he's just wrapped with cloth all
  838. 33:32over his head and his arms and stuff but
  839. 33:35the doctor says can't find anything
  840. 33:36broken we're going to keep them here for
  841. 33:38obser maybe internal in you know we'll
  842. 33:40keep them from for observation and um I
  843. 33:43said excellent and I went about I don't
  844. 33:46even remember what I did the rest of
  845. 33:47that day but towards evening I came back
  846. 33:50to check and I came in the um the
  847. 33:52parking lot of the Red Cross and here's
  848. 33:56his mom sitting on a on a a chair or
  849. 34:01something I don't know stump and she's
  850. 34:03got her little boy on his on her lap and
  851. 34:05she's got a porcelain bowl with corn
  852. 34:08kernels the corn is really matured and
  853. 34:10they've cooked it and and she and her
  854. 34:12boy are eating a colel at a time and
  855. 34:15they were she was gorgeous I mean it was
  856. 34:18this picture of a mom and her child and
  857. 34:21it just I remember it just it stunned me
  858. 34:24I she had been
  859. 34:27insane with grief and fear and screaming
  860. 34:30and Howling when I first noticed her and
  861. 34:33here she is sitting there with her son
  862. 34:35and and they seem so content and
  863. 34:37somebody says you know you don't have to
  864. 34:40go back to that place I got someone to
  865. 34:42trans late I saw him talking I said what
  866. 34:44are they talking no they're telling her
  867. 34:45she she could stay here at the Red Cross
  868. 34:47and not go back to that place and and
  869. 34:50and and and well what's she saying well
  870. 34:54she she has three other children
  871. 34:57and her husband back at that
  872. 35:00place and she's really torn and and so I
  873. 35:04entered in the conversation and I said
  874. 35:06tell me a little bit about your kids and
  875. 35:07she says well I got a baby that I'm
  876. 35:09nursing and and actually you met my
  877. 35:11other son he's the one who had that
  878. 35:13wound behind his ear and and um uh and
  879. 35:18and then I've got another older son and
  880. 35:20my husband and I said listen trying to
  881. 35:23move your husband here would be like he
  882. 35:25would get killed at the first roadblock
  883. 35:27and probably your other maybe maybe I
  884. 35:30could get the baby and the other wounded
  885. 35:32boy here maybe I could get them through
  886. 35:35the checkpoints if I could get those two
  887. 35:38and you had three of your four children
  888. 35:40would you then
  889. 35:43stay nobody should have to make a choice
  890. 35:46like that but this Mom finally said o
  891. 35:49okay I went back I managed to get the
  892. 35:52little I said where's that little guy
  893. 35:53who everybody wanted to know how's the
  894. 35:54little boy you know is he okay and stuff
  895. 35:56I said look looks like he's going to be
  896. 35:57okay they're keeping him for observation
  897. 35:59I understand the mom has a baby here
  898. 36:00that needs to be nursed oh yeah somebody
  899. 36:02brings a baby out of the crowd and and I
  900. 36:04understand that her son was that little
  901. 36:06guy wound somebody shoves the little boy
  902. 36:08to the front of the crowd and and and so
  903. 36:10I take these two kids and I managed to
  904. 36:12get them through all the roadblocks and
  905. 36:14and we'll just kind of fast forward to
  906. 36:16the end of the genocide I sort of lost
  907. 36:18track of them on purpose because I
  908. 36:20didn't want I didn't want if somebody
  909. 36:23asked me I didn't even want to know I'm
  910. 36:25like you know they're at the Red Cross
  911. 36:26and it's better I'm trying not to be
  912. 36:28labeled as someone who's saving the
  913. 36:30tootsie people I mean it's pretty
  914. 36:32obvious but I'm trying to walk this
  915. 36:33narrow line and in any case the genocide
  916. 36:36ends July
  917. 36:394
  918. 36:40um and you already see how easily I'm
  919. 36:43distracted and so this is helping me a
  920. 36:45lot because if you guys there's more
  921. 36:47stories I want to tell you and I want to
  922. 36:49leave a few minutes for you to ask
  923. 36:50questions and I'll show you a couple
  924. 36:52pictures of our family and stuff but um
  925. 36:54I brought a bunch of books if some of
  926. 36:55you are readers and and you want to or
  927. 36:57if you haven't been readers and you want
  928. 36:58to start um I I brought some so you can
  929. 37:01read some more of these stories we these
  930. 37:04these help me and my wife we started a
  931. 37:06little nonprofit called World outside my
  932. 37:08shoes and hopefully we can connect on
  933. 37:10Facebook and some other things but these
  934. 37:12books help us travel around and speak at
  935. 37:14schools and stuff they're a fundraiser
  936. 37:16so if you if you could like donate 10
  937. 37:18bucks that'd be cool but if you just
  938. 37:20have a dollar that's okay too and I
  939. 37:22always tell people if you just have $100
  940. 37:24okay but um but but if you'd like to
  941. 37:27take a book I don't expect many people
  942. 37:28to have money now you can go online in
  943. 37:30the back of the book is our website and
  944. 37:32you see the Donate button on the website
  945. 37:34you could make a donation later if you
  946. 37:35take the book today but so so that makes
  947. 37:38me feel better that if you want more
  948. 37:39stories you can take some books and
  949. 37:42we'll do that but but we're at the end
  950. 37:45that's where we are it's July 4 it's
  951. 37:47ended and and I'm at a school the the
  952. 37:51rebels have finally after launching
  953. 37:53those mortars so regularly and many
  954. 37:55other things they finally driven the
  955. 37:57genocidal government out they they go
  956. 38:01into mostly into the Congo and that's a
  957. 38:03whole another story if we could talk
  958. 38:04some more this morning TimeWise the
  959. 38:07horrors happening in the Congo are are
  960. 38:10just it's the worst place right now to
  961. 38:12be born and hope you're going to live I
  962. 38:14mean you it's more people are being
  963. 38:16killed per square mile it's it's
  964. 38:18terrible but but in any case they're
  965. 38:22driven out of Rwanda and in Kali the
  966. 38:25rebels have told told everybody go to
  967. 38:27these different assembly points while we
  968. 38:29secure the city we're going house to
  969. 38:31house building to building making sure
  970. 38:33that the killers are all gone and I went
  971. 38:36to one of the schools where um where
  972. 38:39there were like 15,000 people gathered
  973. 38:42together looking for one of my friends
  974. 38:44guy who worked with me and while I'm in
  975. 38:45the parking lot uh I got this pickup
  976. 38:48truck that had been stolen from the UN
  977. 38:50and then the UN got it back and they
  978. 38:51sort of abandoned it you know that movie
  979. 38:53Hotel Rwanda this truck was left in the
  980. 38:55parking lot of that hotel and I managed
  981. 38:57to get the truck anyway I'm sitting in
  982. 38:59this truck and um a guy comes up to my
  983. 39:01window and he says Hey do you remember
  984. 39:04me and and I look at him and I'm like
  985. 39:07yeah but where and he says I was in that
  986. 39:10courtyard remember the kid who was hit
  987. 39:11by the car and that I'm like oh yeah now
  988. 39:14I haven't told
  989. 39:16you I'm not sure how many weeks after
  990. 39:19the incident of the boy getting hit by
  991. 39:21the car it I don't even know if it was a
  992. 39:23week it wasn't long I know I was never
  993. 39:26able to take supplies back there again I
  994. 39:28had just made I'm pretty sure just one
  995. 39:30delivery of powdered milk and and um I
  996. 39:34woke up one
  997. 39:35morning looked out from the window of
  998. 39:37our house to the picture that was just
  999. 39:39on the screen and I mentioned Holy
  1000. 39:41Family Church
  1001. 39:44um I looked out of my my window and and
  1002. 39:48I
  1003. 39:50um I thought that the hillside over here
  1004. 39:54I thought this Hillside down here yeah
  1005. 39:57there's the CH there were a bunch of
  1006. 39:58people in this church looking for
  1007. 40:00protection and this has a lot of
  1008. 40:02buildings now but back then there
  1009. 40:04weren't quite as many and this Hillside
  1010. 40:06from from our
  1011. 40:09house you can see it's kind of far over
  1012. 40:12to that Hillside from from our house
  1013. 40:15somewhere right around anyway I won't
  1014. 40:17take the time I get my binos and I look
  1015. 40:20cuz I thought the hillside was covered
  1016. 40:21with
  1017. 40:23trash it was people who had been
  1018. 40:25murdered the night
  1019. 40:27before the the rebels had come in and
  1020. 40:29tried to do a Kind of Rescue operation
  1021. 40:31at the church it had gone bad and and it
  1022. 40:34was a terrible terrible Massacre and
  1023. 40:36then that that ignited another sweep
  1024. 40:39through the city and then it didn't M
  1025. 40:41looking for tootsy people and then it
  1026. 40:43didn't
  1027. 40:44matter what what young ladies were
  1028. 40:47sacrificing what soldiers they that's
  1029. 40:50when they came through and killed I
  1030. 40:52thought everybody in that courtyard but
  1031. 40:55here I am now at the end and there's
  1032. 40:57this man and he survived from that
  1033. 40:58courtyard and I'm like wow that's that's
  1034. 41:00incredible you're alive and and and he
  1035. 41:02says well you know the lady who took her
  1036. 41:05her husband was killed but her fourth
  1037. 41:07child survived and I'm like really and
  1038. 41:10he says yeah and I'm wondering could you
  1039. 41:12take him to his mother and I said well I
  1040. 41:15I I I really don't know where his mother
  1041. 41:17is but yeah I'll take him bring him here
  1042. 41:19and you know and and so um he brings
  1043. 41:23them to me and and we drive to another
  1044. 41:25assembly point St Paul's it's another
  1045. 41:27one actually right near Holy Family
  1046. 41:29Church and I'm looking for some other
  1047. 41:30friends I got the little guy it's a
  1048. 41:31double cab pickup got him in the back
  1049. 41:33seat and another it's exact it's crazy
  1050. 41:35the same thing a woman comes to my
  1051. 41:37window before I get out of the pickup
  1052. 41:39and she says Hey do you remember me and
  1053. 41:41I look and I'm like yeah but where same
  1054. 41:44repeat she says I was at that courtyard
  1055. 41:47little boy hit with a and I'm like no
  1056. 41:49way this is not I've got the little and
  1057. 41:50I turn around to the back seat and he's
  1058. 41:52gone and I'm like where'd he go and he's
  1059. 41:55running around the front of the truck
  1060. 41:57this woman is his aunt and he he she
  1061. 42:00hugged they Embrace and and and I'm like
  1062. 42:04unbelievable and and I said well you
  1063. 42:06know where is Mom oh yeah yeah she's
  1064. 42:07still at the Red Cross she became a
  1065. 42:09house mother for a bunch of Orphans in a
  1066. 42:11home there she gave me directions I said
  1067. 42:13well tell the little boy get in the car
  1068. 42:15we're gone and and and to find his mom
  1069. 42:17and so the little guy gets in the car
  1070. 42:19well he's not so little but medium
  1071. 42:20little guy and and and we park in the
  1072. 42:24driveway next to the house
  1073. 42:26and as we get out of the truck out the
  1074. 42:29back door comes his mom she's got a
  1075. 42:31basin a wet laundry she's heading to the
  1076. 42:34clothes line and she looks and she sees
  1077. 42:38and the laundry falls on the ground and
  1078. 42:40and she runs and the little guy runs and
  1079. 42:43we're all crying and and and and this
  1080. 42:46lady you know her fourth child and but
  1081. 42:50not a husband and and I just thought
  1082. 42:54wow it's incredible
  1083. 42:57but also what's going to be incredible
  1084. 43:00is how is she going to move forward from
  1085. 43:02here life is hard already she's without
  1086. 43:05her husband she has these for you see to
  1087. 43:08survive is one thing that's
  1088. 43:10phenomenal but how do you keep living
  1089. 43:15afterwards and and hang on to that
  1090. 43:17question while I show you a couple of
  1091. 43:19pictures um that question of of how do
  1092. 43:22you keep living afterwards um
  1093. 43:26I'm skipping over the history and some
  1094. 43:28of this stuff I was just in Rwanda last
  1095. 43:31month January with these kids from
  1096. 43:33Buffalo State College and their
  1097. 43:34Professor he's really passionate he's a
  1098. 43:37theater guy and they're all theater
  1099. 43:39Majors um well Paige is a film major she
  1100. 43:42was filming but but um they they went to
  1101. 43:45Rwanda for two weeks because this man
  1102. 43:47believes theater shouldn't yeah it yeah
  1103. 43:50it can be entertaining it can be funny
  1104. 43:52but theater better be have a point and
  1105. 43:54for him the point better be about making
  1106. 43:56our world a better place social justice
  1107. 43:59so anyway I'm thinking some of you guys
  1108. 44:01could be envious these kids went for two
  1109. 44:04weeks theater they met with Rwandan
  1110. 44:07actors young actors Angel and Simon and
  1111. 44:10daa and and Arthur and and hope is the
  1112. 44:13one who's in charge of the mashara the
  1113. 44:15theater group there and our students
  1114. 44:17together with these young people at the
  1115. 44:20end of two weeks wrote and performed a
  1116. 44:23play it was it was incredible but but um
  1117. 44:26a few pictures just of the mall you can
  1118. 44:29buy whatever you want in Rwanda if you
  1119. 44:31have the
  1120. 44:32money a treadmill huh who would go
  1121. 44:35shopping for people in Rwanda are like
  1122. 44:37what do you need they walk all anyway um
  1123. 44:40there's a lot of foreigners and so I
  1124. 44:42guess the foreigners need their
  1125. 44:43treadmills but um yeah you can get
  1126. 44:46pretty much whatever you want
  1127. 44:48um I don't recommend riding the tax I
  1128. 44:51mean those motorcycles they are fun and
  1129. 44:54exciting but they have too many
  1130. 44:55accidents
  1131. 44:57um just a few pictures of the kids yeah
  1132. 45:01that usually gets that response thank
  1133. 45:03you
  1134. 45:05um I always tell people that that this
  1135. 45:08little girl probably doesn't own a
  1136. 45:10toothbrush but on her way to school
  1137. 45:12she'll break off a twig and chew it till
  1138. 45:15it's soft and use the twig or these guys
  1139. 45:18you know typically can't get their hands
  1140. 45:20on a on a soccer ball so with plastic
  1141. 45:23bags and string they they make a soccer
  1142. 45:26ball or they probably don't have money
  1143. 45:28most of them to go to the mall to buy
  1144. 45:30toys or things so this is an awesome
  1145. 45:33homemade scooter I mean he's using it
  1146. 45:35for a wheelbarrow right now but other
  1147. 45:37later he'll be playing on this thing and
  1148. 45:39and I love these three pictures
  1149. 45:42because they are part of the answer to
  1150. 45:45the question I just left with you how do
  1151. 45:48you live after your family has been
  1152. 45:51murdered how do you live after and and
  1153. 45:54these kids they show in very practical
  1154. 45:57ways that you're not defined by what you
  1155. 46:00don't have you're defined by what you do
  1156. 46:04with what you do have that's the key
  1157. 46:07it's not what you don't have it's what
  1158. 46:09you do with what you do have and it's
  1159. 46:11not just about a scooter and a soccer
  1160. 46:13ball and and a and a stick
  1161. 46:16toothbrush it's also about
  1162. 46:19life focusing not on what you have lost
  1163. 46:23and you'll never the people of Rwanda
  1164. 46:25will never never forget our friends and
  1165. 46:27and family members who were who were
  1166. 46:29lost in the genocide but then you find
  1167. 46:31people focusing like my sister is still
  1168. 46:34alive I have one family member I have a
  1169. 46:37little brother who survived and people
  1170. 46:39focusing on what they have or new
  1171. 46:42relationships that have been formed it's
  1172. 46:43it's huge okay that's me and my family
  1173. 46:49that's easy to tell
  1174. 46:50right come on just darken the hair and
  1175. 46:54suck in the gut
  1176. 46:57Teresa and I met in high school actually
  1177. 47:02so and uh we dated in college got
  1178. 47:06married a week after graduating from
  1179. 47:08college six weeks later we moved to
  1180. 47:10Zimbabwe I already showed you there as
  1181. 47:12that shop teacher she did business and
  1182. 47:13accounting our daughter Mindy and Lisa
  1183. 47:17those our two daughters were born in
  1184. 47:19Zimbabwe uh after six years came back to
  1185. 47:21the States got an MBA and Shawn was born
  1186. 47:24and then with that business bu that MBA
  1187. 47:26combination and the school high school
  1188. 47:28shop teacher technology Tech Teacher we
  1189. 47:31went to Rwanda to build schools to
  1190. 47:34operate clinics we went there with the
  1191. 47:37Adventist Church the humanitarian arm of
  1192. 47:39the Adventist Church doing all of these
  1193. 47:41a war started that went on for three
  1194. 47:43years we started working in in the
  1195. 47:45displaced camps the refugee camps people
  1196. 47:47who' been chased out of their homes and
  1197. 47:49um but in many ways life just went on uh
  1198. 47:52I didn't always make her pull the
  1199. 47:54scooter but it was an office party and
  1200. 47:56and she said no no no I'll pull and you
  1201. 47:58give the rides but uh that's our home
  1202. 48:01that you were looking at the roof of
  1203. 48:02with Google Earth and looking out across
  1204. 48:04at the city here that's the Holy Family
  1205. 48:06Church that I was showing you in the
  1206. 48:07other pictures and um here's the the
  1207. 48:10building from that the story of Hotel
  1208. 48:12Rwanda was based on that that that hotel
  1209. 48:16right there come home from work these
  1210. 48:18little guys were always there my Three
  1211. 48:19Musketeers to greet me and our kids just
  1212. 48:23it was a wonderful place to raise
  1213. 48:24children um Lisa's always got a
  1214. 48:27reputation since being little of being a
  1215. 48:29baby Grabber and I I tell people she got
  1216. 48:32that from her mother cuz teres said they
  1217. 48:34started calling her the baby Whisperer a
  1218. 48:36while ago because you can hand my wife
  1219. 48:38any crying baby and she pretty much gets
  1220. 48:41them to settle down yeah I was waiting
  1221. 48:44for that
  1222. 48:46too as you can see it was uh not hard
  1223. 48:49for us to find our kids in the
  1224. 48:51neighborhood but for 4 years for four
  1225. 48:55years
  1226. 48:56Sean and Lisa and Mindy are playing with
  1227. 48:59their friends and building relationships
  1228. 49:03this might sound a little strange but
  1229. 49:04for four years Mindy Lisa and Shawn were
  1230. 49:08making deposits in the hearts of the
  1231. 49:12moms and the grandmas in our
  1232. 49:14neighborhood strange phrase but hang on
  1233. 49:16to that for a minute because you know
  1234. 49:18when your kids play with their kids and
  1235. 49:20and and relationships are formed and I
  1236. 49:22make that I make that strange phrase I
  1237. 49:25say that strange phrase because when the
  1238. 49:27plane is shot down and this doesn't
  1239. 49:30cause the genocide but this is the
  1240. 49:31trigger the genocide has been well
  1241. 49:33planned and this is the Detonator when
  1242. 49:35the plane is shot down and we hear the
  1243. 49:37explosion at our house and they and
  1244. 49:39these ID cards then become the crucial
  1245. 49:41thing that's the only way you get
  1246. 49:43through a checkpoint is if yours does
  1247. 49:44not say Tootsie if Tootsie is crossed
  1248. 49:46out and it says hu it's the only way you
  1249. 49:49make it through cuz they've they've been
  1250. 49:51broadcasting things there's all kinds of
  1251. 49:52hate radio before and now during the
  1252. 49:54genocide there's comedians making jokes
  1253. 49:56there's musicians but the message is
  1254. 49:58against the tootsie people it's
  1255. 50:00dehumanizing it's against the
  1256. 50:02Cockroaches it's against the snakes all
  1257. 50:04the names that they have for them and
  1258. 50:06they had other propaganda and I won't
  1259. 50:07read the hu Ten Commandments I I'll
  1260. 50:10pause though at this cartoon some of you
  1261. 50:12who've studied French you you can you
  1262. 50:14know the guy here is saying I'm sick
  1263. 50:16doctor what's your sickness the tootsies
  1264. 50:20the tootsies the Toots this whole idea
  1265. 50:22of I'm sick this is something that's
  1266. 50:24part of our life how many times have you
  1267. 50:26said or heard somebody say just recently
  1268. 50:27I'm so sick of that person they make me
  1269. 50:30sick they just make me sick and and what
  1270. 50:32do you do with a sickness you want to
  1271. 50:34eliminate it you want to eradicate it
  1272. 50:37and this whole idea that we're somehow
  1273. 50:39going to we're going to make a place
  1274. 50:42better by getting rid of somebody is a
  1275. 50:44lie it it does temporarily can make a
  1276. 50:47difference temporarily at best but it's
  1277. 50:51genocide at worst here's the young lady
  1278. 50:53who lived and worked in our home and so
  1279. 50:56I'm going to break here in just a second
  1280. 50:57because I do want if you have some
  1281. 50:59questions but but many people ask why
  1282. 51:01did you stay and and it starts with this
  1283. 51:04young lady who lived and worked in our
  1284. 51:06home the kids loved her my wife and I
  1285. 51:09loved her she she just had become like
  1286. 51:12part of the family in many ways and this
  1287. 51:14young man who came looking for work this
  1288. 51:16is a picture years later um he didn't
  1289. 51:18wear a a military uniform when I knew
  1290. 51:21him back at the time he was just a young
  1291. 51:23guy looking for work and we hired him to
  1292. 51:25be at our house in the evening to kind
  1293. 51:26of watch over night guard and so he and
  1294. 51:29this young lady both had the the tootsie
  1295. 51:31ID cards and they're the beginning of
  1296. 51:34the reason why my wife and I decided
  1297. 51:37together I didn't try to convince her
  1298. 51:39she didn't try to convince me why we
  1299. 51:41decided together that I would stay and
  1300. 51:44she and the kids would go because we
  1301. 51:47hoped that by staying this young lady
  1302. 51:50would not be tortured and killed or this
  1303. 51:53young man now by the way his uniform is
  1304. 51:55because after he did survive the young
  1305. 51:57lady survived too got married she's got
  1306. 51:59two beautiful boys but but he survived
  1307. 52:02and and he joined the military and this
  1308. 52:04is a picture of him in
  1309. 52:06darur at Rwanda set troops as well as
  1310. 52:10other African nations in in trying to
  1311. 52:13have peace in the middle of this
  1312. 52:15genocide and here's a kid who survived
  1313. 52:17the Rwandan Genocide serving in dark I'm
  1314. 52:20really proud really proud of him um and
  1315. 52:23this whole word I told you about
  1316. 52:24genocide before and this thinking that
  1317. 52:27my world would be better you know that
  1318. 52:28thinking and those feelings and those
  1319. 52:30actions that come and there's no such
  1320. 52:32thing as my world I I I tell people we
  1321. 52:34should say it's my fantasy because my
  1322. 52:37world doesn't exist except between my
  1323. 52:39ears it's in my head and and and so
  1324. 52:41shifting in our thinking from my world
  1325. 52:44to our world and our world is better
  1326. 52:47with everybody in it and anyway lots to
  1327. 52:51talk about I'll skip through if you want
  1328. 52:52to watch the film it's a documentary
  1329. 52:55called ghost of Rwanda I actually have
  1330. 52:57some parts in that documentary and
  1331. 52:59because of that I get invited to that's
  1332. 53:01what open the door that's why I get
  1333. 53:03invited to a bunch of schools this
  1334. 53:04documentary and I don't recommend it
  1335. 53:06because I have some parts in it it's
  1336. 53:08just an incredible piece of of work um
  1337. 53:13to explain what happened during this
  1338. 53:15time and that there were enough soldiers
  1339. 53:17that it could have been stopped but I I
  1340. 53:21just I can't race on past that point
  1341. 53:25these people didn't have to die it could
  1342. 53:28have been
  1343. 53:30stopped if their orders had been
  1344. 53:32different and you stop and think what
  1345. 53:36are who's who's driving the orders of
  1346. 53:39soldiers well there's commanders and
  1347. 53:41then there's governments but honestly
  1348. 53:44we've got to recognize I'm running out
  1349. 53:46of power thank
  1350. 53:48you no or is my thing not on good you're
  1351. 53:54okay
  1352. 53:57my point is during the Rwanda genocide
  1353. 54:00the phones in Washington DC at our
  1354. 54:01Senators and representatives office were
  1355. 54:03not ringing off the hook there weren't a
  1356. 54:05bunch of people in America calling and
  1357. 54:07saying hey we got to do something about
  1358. 54:09what's going on in Rwanda they saw what
  1359. 54:11happened in CNN some of you who saw one
  1360. 54:13of the scenes you often remember from
  1361. 54:14Hotel Rwanda is is this scene where the
  1362. 54:17newspaper reporter thinks boy I've sent
  1363. 54:18the footage now something's going to
  1364. 54:20happen and the other guy says to him
  1365. 54:22what he says oh people will watch it on
  1366. 54:24the evening news and they'll go oh
  1367. 54:26that's terrible and then they'll turn
  1368. 54:27the channel today in the Congo and in
  1369. 54:31Sudan and in Burma and in other
  1370. 54:33countries around the world people are
  1371. 54:36calling there's in fact a phone number
  1372. 54:38right now that wasn't around in 1994
  1373. 54:40it's 1 1800 genocide any of you heard of
  1374. 54:43that phone
  1375. 54:44number that's thank you it's it's a
  1376. 54:47number you can dial you can dial it at
  1377. 54:49lunchtime and and and it'll where are we
  1378. 54:52we're just an hour different from DC um
  1379. 54:54it will it will ask you for your ZIP
  1380. 54:56code you put in your ZIP code it'll put
  1381. 54:58you right through to your Senator's
  1382. 55:00office to your represent to the White
  1383. 55:01House call the White House at lunchtime
  1384. 55:03and just tell them I mean it's kind of
  1385. 55:05fun too but just tell them we were this
  1386. 55:09morning talking about the Congo we were
  1387. 55:11talking about the genocide in Rwanda I
  1388. 55:13care about what's happening you might
  1389. 55:15think what good does that do tell
  1390. 55:17President Obama I care about the people
  1391. 55:19in Sudan what good does that do I'll
  1392. 55:22tell you two things it does it is making
  1393. 55:25a difference because our people in
  1394. 55:27government are hearing from the people
  1395. 55:29that they
  1396. 55:31represent and and it not only makes a
  1397. 55:33difference for them but it makes a
  1398. 55:37difference for you because you've done
  1399. 55:40something if you hear stories and you
  1400. 55:42don't do anything you can be worse off
  1401. 55:44than you were before the stories that's
  1402. 55:47why service is is huge well I said I was
  1403. 55:50going to pause and and and I will um
  1404. 55:52I'll
  1405. 55:53just write
  1406. 55:55oh yeah okay that's our house
  1407. 55:59again they killed many of the people in
  1408. 56:01our neighborhood at this home was one of
  1409. 56:03the first places we saw them carrying
  1410. 56:04the furniture down the street and
  1411. 56:06Thursday night they came to our house
  1412. 56:08with their machetes and their clubs
  1413. 56:10we're not tootsies obvious but is
  1414. 56:12everything everybody can do whatever
  1415. 56:13they want they can take from whatever
  1416. 56:15people they want to I don't know maybe
  1417. 56:17they were going to rob our house maybe
  1418. 56:19they were going to do worse things
  1419. 56:20they'd been doing horrible things to
  1420. 56:22women in our neighborhood to young
  1421. 56:24ladies
  1422. 56:26but they never came inside our house
  1423. 56:28that night because our neighbors notice
  1424. 56:31the houses around us little metal roof
  1425. 56:33mud brick homes out of these simple
  1426. 56:36little mud brick homes this house wasn't
  1427. 56:39even built at the
  1428. 56:40time ladies here's two of them came and
  1429. 56:44courageously stood up and said
  1430. 56:47no you can't come inside they didn't
  1431. 56:51they didn't have guns they didn't bring
  1432. 56:54out Garden H or machetes or things they
  1433. 56:57came with stories this is the grandma of
  1434. 57:00Shawn our boy's best friend's grandma
  1435. 57:03she was among those ladies too they came
  1436. 57:06with stories telling about how we'd been
  1437. 57:08living there for four years about how
  1438. 57:10we'd take them to the hospital in the
  1439. 57:11middle of the night just little acts of
  1440. 57:13kindness and and the one that I think
  1441. 57:16just really to me was huge was they said
  1442. 57:19you can't go in there their kids play
  1443. 57:21with our kids somehow these ladies I
  1444. 57:24said weren't armed not true they were
  1445. 57:27armed with stories and somehow the
  1446. 57:29stories changed to some degree the
  1447. 57:31thinking of these guys and and perhaps
  1448. 57:34even a bit their feelings but it changed
  1449. 57:36their actions they didn't come in our
  1450. 57:38house these women they are not ordinary
  1451. 57:40women if they were ordinary women I
  1452. 57:42think they would have stayed in their
  1453. 57:43house they're
  1454. 57:44extraordinary and they used what every
  1455. 57:46single one of us
  1456. 57:48has a
  1457. 57:50story to make a difference so our family
  1458. 57:54did leave you can see the kids are not I
  1459. 57:56mean that's a bunch of cars as they were
  1460. 57:58driving out you can see the kids don't
  1461. 58:00look
  1462. 58:01terrified and you ask them why and Lisa
  1463. 58:04will say because Mom wasn't afraid at
  1464. 58:08checkpoints they might bang on the side
  1465. 58:09of the camper they might Rock the camper
  1466. 58:11try the handle several times so the door
  1467. 58:14never got in our kids were were well
  1468. 58:16protected my dad was actually visiting
  1469. 58:18so he was driving but I can't give
  1470. 58:20enough credit to my wife for the courage
  1471. 58:23that she showed and the security she
  1472. 58:25gave our kids the sense of stability
  1473. 58:28there's a little clip on YouTube you
  1474. 58:30ought to watch it's called the girl
  1475. 58:31effect and and it and and it just talks
  1476. 58:33about if you want to make a difference
  1477. 58:35make sure young ladies are empowered
  1478. 58:37make sure they have education this if
  1479. 58:39you want to make a difference anywhere
  1480. 58:40in the world this is where you're going
  1481. 58:41to have the best return on your
  1482. 58:43investment in any case I won't go on but
  1483. 58:46uh I will stop here uh Teresa didn't go
  1484. 58:49to the states she just went to Nairobi
  1485. 58:51and every day we talked on the radio an
  1486. 58:53Incredible Gift to be able talk to her
  1487. 58:55and you can read more of the stories I
  1488. 58:57thank you very
  1489. 58:58[Applause]
  1490. 59:18much

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