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0:00[Music]
0:00[Laughter]
0:00[Music]
0:09[Music]
0:17[Music]
0:25Um, do you believe that uh the Russian
0:29Russian military and the Russian
0:31leadership still plans to wage war
0:36against the United States.
0:40Come on.
0:42Okay. I'm sorry. Um because it's well
0:45known for me, well known for
0:47specialists. Of course, it's not known
0:50for American public. Why? I don't know.
0:53uh but uh let's say that uh recently uh
0:59couple only couple months ago uh Russian
1:02uh strategic air force command uh had
1:06very very big u field exercises and in
1:11time of this maneuvering during several
1:13weeks uh Russian military commands train
1:17uh military personnel for the future war
1:20against the United States of America.
1:23All right.
1:24>> Last week it was Navy exercises in
1:27northern fleet and they trained Russian
1:30military personnel for the war against
1:32America and American friends and the
1:34allies first of all by NATO
1:36organization. Stan, hold it right there.
1:38We'll be back to you after the break.
1:42Stannis Lunv is Russia's highest ranking
1:45military defector
1:47in history and he is also my guest right
1:51now.
1:52He uh defected to the US ostensibly here
1:57spying
1:58as a test news agency correspondent.
2:03Uh Met doesn't like Yelton believes that
2:06Russia is planning a war against the US.
2:09Still planning a war against us. I asked
2:12him about that. He said, "Are you
2:14kidding?" And of course, I'm not
2:17kidding. We're going to uh probe into
2:20this area in just a moment.
2:36>> All right. Once again, uh here is Stan.
2:39Stan, welcome back to the program.
2:42>> Here,
2:43>> uh you still awake? Okay.
2:45>> Yes.
2:46>> Good. Um,
2:50you know, I I want to before we get back
2:53into this war thing, I want to ask you
2:54one very important question. Earlier in
2:56the interview, I asked you why you
2:58defected, and you said because you could
3:02no longer do the job that you were
3:04doing, spying for the corrupt people
3:08that you were working for.
3:11Now,
3:14maybe this would be hard for you to
3:16answer.
3:17But if there was not corruption,
3:21if there was pure communism,
3:26um maybe there is no such thing, but if
3:29there was some if it was pretty much a
3:32pure communism, would you still be
3:35there?
3:39Um during the last uh several years, I
3:44had a chance uh to
3:48uh look through the history
3:51read a lot and um I found that actually
3:55in real life it's impossible to have
3:58pure communism.
3:59>> That's right. and uh people who uh will
4:04uh cover themselves like communists but
4:08uh anyway they will follow their own
4:11agenda and in this case
4:14uh to believe that it's possible to have
4:17some kind of communism. No, it's
4:19impossible.
4:20>> Impossible. Many of us also think
4:23impossible to have pure capitalism.
4:27But but but but in this country
4:31uh you do have much more socialism than
4:35uh we did have in former Soviet Union.
4:38>> Oh really?
4:39>> Yes. And you know that uh your
4:43government from time to time is uh
4:46really concerned about its own people
4:49and trying to assist people who are in
4:53very bad shape financially,
4:56economically, you know, your welfare
4:58programs and uh social security
5:02benefits. So uh in this country you have
5:06much more socialism that we did have it
5:09in former Soviet Union.
5:13>> Yes. Uh um I understand exactly what
5:16you're saying. Do you you you know of
5:18course what
5:20uh MAD is mutual assured destruction.
5:24>> Mhm.
5:26You you said that Russia still plans a
5:28war against the United States. Um, what
5:33has always kept us from war is the fact
5:36that we would all kill each other mostly
5:39and poison the planet and commit suicide
5:43because of so many nuclear weapons. Now,
5:47if Russia still believes that it will
5:49have a war with the United States, how
5:52does it believe it will survive such a
5:54war?
5:56uh art is uh very difficult to say that
6:00Russia itself
6:02uh but uh uh let's say Russian people
6:07Russian people ordinary Russians uh they
6:10don't care about this future war uh they
6:13just now they thinking how they can
6:16survive in this very terrible situation
6:19in uh this country now
6:21>> oh yes
6:22>> and uh actually in general Russian
6:25people they do not have uh some kind of
6:28hostile feeling against America or
6:31against Americans. Uh we do have so many
6:34common together in history in culture
6:38the same human values.
6:40>> That's right. And uh if you will return
6:42back for several years uh before you
6:46will find that we had approximately the
6:51same uh social situation not political
6:54but uh America America is our planet in
6:59miniature and uh in this country we do
7:03have dozens of different nations,
7:06nationalities,
7:07color of skin, races And all these
7:11people are living and working together
7:14sometime with big problems with small
7:17problems. But uh what uh uh family
7:23can exist without problem. I don't know
7:26this family.
7:27>> All right. I I do understand about the
7:29Russian people. But we are talking about
7:31the Russian government or we are talking
7:34about what communists are left in the
7:36Russian government. If they plan a war,
7:39how do they plan?
7:41>> But yes, you're right. But Russian
7:43government uh they don't care about
7:46country people. They care about themsel
7:49only and about much more money in their
7:52pocket. how it's possible and uh for
7:56future survival in uh possible and uh
8:00future war between Russia and other
8:04worlds. Uh they prepare themselves uh uh
8:10to exist for many many years after uh uh
8:14this terrible thing that could be happen
8:16with our planet. uh let's say that uh
8:18under Mosto there is uh one more city
8:22underground city it's special bonkers
8:25for leaders of Russian Federation and
8:28their families and uh in Siberia Eural
8:33mountains uh under construction there is
8:37very big big underground city by the
8:41size of Washington DC beltway can you
8:45imagine this underground safety. It's
8:47huge. It's and it would be bonker uh
8:50where Russian elite can uh survive if
8:55our planet would be destroyed for long
8:58long period of time.
9:01Um
9:03in America we have
9:06pretty much a free press. In other
9:09words, anybody can report almost
9:12anything. I'm a great example of that. I
9:15talk about all kinds of wild things
9:18here. So, um, why is this information
9:22not widely known, do you think, in
9:26America?
9:28I don't know. I don't know. Because for
9:31me, it's really surprised that American
9:33people know so little about hostile
9:37countries, military plans uh for the
9:40future war against America. Well, in
9:43>> for me it's surprise why America uh does
9:47have free press and free press doesn't
9:50pay any attention for this real danger
9:52for the national security not of this
9:55only this country but for the
9:56international community.
9:58>> Okay. But in in security work um Stan uh
10:03you look at a country's number one
10:05capabilities what they can do and number
10:08two what are their intentions what do
10:11they want to do uh Russia of course has
10:14the capabilities as you said many
10:16thousands of nuclear weapons but oh how
10:20can we believe their intentions by
10:22looking at these underground cities that
10:24are preparing for war. Uh what else can
10:28we look at?
10:29>> I remember that uh this news uh that uh
10:33uh Russian government has this huge
10:36construction in Ural Mountains. It was
10:40some kind of uh several news about this
10:43ones and uh special hearing in Capital
10:46Hill. But why American public doesn't
10:49know about this ones? I don't know. The
10:52American public thinks the intentions of
10:54Russia are good.
10:57Uh I don't think so because um if you
11:03will follow events uh in Russian
11:06Federation
11:07uh you will find that intentions of
11:10Russian government are not very good.
11:13Let's take every every
11:16um crisis uh what which happened uh uh
11:21in the international community during
11:24last several years and you will find
11:27that Russian government position usually
11:30is uh very different from American
11:34position.
11:35>> Yes. uh you will find that in time when
11:38the whole world is worried about
11:41non-prololiferation of mass destruction
11:44weapons uh you will find that in any
11:47violation of non-prololiferation regime
11:50uh Russian government is involved and uh
11:54you will find that actually all promises
11:58made by Russian Federation government
12:00and president uh by himself uh all these
12:05uh promises and obligations uh uh will
12:09violated by the same government in case
12:12of uh nuclear
12:15technology transfer to Iran, Iraq to
12:19missile technology the same Iran, North
12:22Korea and other countries.
12:25So in real life promises yes they are
12:29promises but they are not fulfilled.
12:31>> All right stand to believe it. Yes. So,
12:33I want to ask you this. I have business
12:38dealings with some Russians. Now, I
12:40don't want you to be insulted by what
12:43I'm going to ask you, but I have
12:45business dealings with some Russians who
12:48have factories in Russia, and that's
12:51that's all I want to say. But I have
12:52dealings with them. And what I have
12:54found is that Russian business people as
13:00a normal part of what I believe their
13:03culture is lie.
13:07Now they lie about small things. Uh you
13:10would ask them did you make a shipment
13:13and they would say yes automatically
13:16lie. And is that part of Russian
13:21culture?
13:22>> No.
13:24No, strong no
13:25>> strong no
13:26>> strong no because uh it's not in nature
13:29of Russian to lie but uh it's nature of
13:34so-called new Russians
13:36>> new Russians
13:38>> new Russians which appeared in time of
13:43the USSI destruction and creation of
13:46so-called uh democratic Russia people
13:50which are people who follow example of
13:54their president and lie every other time
13:57when it's possible.
14:00Um so that is who I am dealing with is
14:03the new Russians. I'm sure that is true.
14:06Um are these the people in Russia now
14:08that we think of as uh the the
14:12capitalists, the ones who are uh making
14:14money, the few that are making money?
14:18No, just now there are
14:21tens of thousands of people who are
14:23existing on so-called business uh who
14:27try to make money from everything where
14:30it's possible and uh usually cheating
14:33each other uh but this is the beginning
14:37of capitalism and uh in time when uh by
14:42in time when Russian themselves name
14:45their capitalism you know how do they
14:47name
14:49capitalism Jurassic Park style.
14:51>> A Jurassic Park style.
14:53>> Jurassic Park style. Yes.
14:55>> Uh they of course uh trying to make
14:58business by cheating people, lying
15:01somewhere and everywhere and to
15:03everybody. Uh but uh uh what can you
15:08expect from country which uh under
15:11control of more than strange uh
15:13government under control of absolutely
15:16unresponsible people?
15:19Well, that we hear rumors uh in the
15:22United States of 100 Russian suitcase
15:27size nuclear weapons.
15:30Uh that 100 of those are someplace.
15:35Uh and of course um uh with all the
15:38money trouble in Russia, we worry that
15:40other nuclear weapons have left Russia
15:43and are going to the hands of terrorists
15:46around the world. Do you believe that is
15:48happening?
15:49>> Uh not now. Uh because this uh tactical
15:55nuclear
15:57uh devices uh named by nuclear
16:00briefcases, they were designed in former
16:03Soviet Union by special for special
16:06operation forces commanders and could be
16:09used by these commanders on the hostile
16:12territories
16:14uh in time of future nuclear war against
16:18targets which are highly protected and
16:21uh cannot destroyed by a regular nuclear
16:25missile strike. Uh but uh they are in
16:29hands of special operation forces
16:31commanders not terrorists and could be
16:34used only by the request of Russian
16:37Federation government. uh to believe
16:40that uh international terrorists will
16:43get an access to these devices uh I I
16:46don't believe it and uh according my
16:49information these devices are in hands
16:52of military not terrorists and uh for
16:55international terrorists to get the
16:57services it would be extremely difficult
17:00or impossible. You think the same thing
17:03is true of um
17:06chemical weapons and biological weapons?
17:10>> Yes, because this uh types of weapons uh
17:14could be used special operation forces
17:16commanders uh in time of war and uh
17:20absolutely the same way as conventional
17:22weapons systems.
17:25Um,
17:26here in the United States during uh
17:29Ronald Reagan's administration, we had a
17:33very big military buildup. Uh, the
17:37Soviet Union began to fall apart about
17:40when President Reagan was talking about
17:42Star Wars, about the Star Wars program.
17:46That's about the time that uh the Soviet
17:48Union uh began to fall apart and break
17:50apart.
17:52Uh, do you believe that the threat of an
17:55arms race uh into space is uh what made
18:00the Soviets finally say we can't afford
18:04this anymore? Uh, so we've got to go
18:06underground.
18:10>> Uh, you mean uh from uh movement of arms
18:15race from space to underground? Well, I
18:18mean that President Reagan was talking
18:20about spending so much money uh putting
18:23up um this Star Wars uh that many people
18:26in America believe that the Soviets
18:28looked at what he was doing and said,
18:31"Look, we just cannot afford to keep up
18:34anymore. So, we give up." I remember
18:38that time and I remember this Star Wars
18:40program uh and all other American
18:44military programs. uh it was competition
18:47between two different systems between
18:49two different camps and actually as a
18:53result of Reagan uh administration
18:56strategy uh not only by as a result of
19:00his strategy but his strategy it's
19:03segregated process of the USSR's
19:05integration it was very very uh powerful
19:09strategy which work very hard against
19:12the former Soviet Union
19:14and of Of course, that time I remember
19:17that uh uh Soviet economy was overheated
19:20by this military preparations, by
19:23military buildup and uh
19:27actually it was beginning of uh the end
19:32of uh communist totalitarian regime and
19:35former Soviet Union. M
19:39if you if you ask me about President
19:41Reagan, I'm one of big fans of him and
19:45I'm really excited of him.
19:47>> Yes, me too.
19:48>> Because not only me but a lot of my
19:51former associates and my friends, we
19:54thought about Ronald Reagan as a genius.
19:58>> Had a lot of respect American president.
20:00>> A lot of respect for Ronald Reagan.
20:02>> Yes. Uh, do you think the present
20:04Russian government has a lot of respect
20:06for President Clinton?
20:08>> I don't have any idea.
20:11>> I don't have any idea. But Americans
20:15uh you are doing by yourself uh very
20:18many uh for the destruction of American
20:22presidency.
20:24>> Uh doing for oursel you mean the
20:27destruction? Yeah, it's true.
20:29>> You you guys are doing for yourself.
20:32That's a very good observation. All
20:33right, Stan, hold on. When we get back,
20:36I'm going to ask about
20:38some specific development of weapons
20:42like seismic weapons, weapons designed
20:46to cause earthquakes,
20:49electromagnetic weapons.
20:52Did the Russians develop those? Are they
20:54testing them? Are they still developing
20:58those?
20:59And uh Oh yes, the war. When will the
21:03war happen? Back in Natalistan. Stan,
21:06you believe that a war between uh what
21:11used to be the Soviet Union, Russia I
21:13guess now, and the United States is
21:15inevitable and will happen that Russia
21:17will attack the United States. Is that
21:20clear? Is that true?
21:22>> Uh not now. And uh actually I cannot see
21:28possibilities when it could be happened
21:30in future if nothing uh would be changed
21:34but you know what situation is in Russia
21:36now.
21:37>> Yes.
21:37>> And uh every other day if it happened
21:41some kind of social explosion
21:44possibility of war would be closer.
21:47>> All right. uh if you were advising an
21:50American president Stan and you saw the
21:54situation in Russia deteriorating very
21:56quickly uh with the wrong people taking
21:59over. Would you advise our president to
22:02attack Russia first?
22:06Uh I cannot advise the American
22:09president to attack Russia first. uh by
22:12the reason that I do not have in my
22:14hands information which is necessary for
22:17the decision making process
22:20during the time that you were in Russian
22:23intelligence.
22:25Uh would you have advised an American
22:27president to attack Russia first? Did
22:30you believe then that there was going to
22:32be a war only a matter of time?
22:35uh to believe that it's uh impossible to
22:38avoid any kind of war but very smart uh
22:43politics uh uh I don't think so because
22:47uh in history it happened many many
22:49times when smart policy prevented war uh
22:53so I cannot take responsibility for
22:56myself and advise somebody to do
22:59something if I do not have all
23:02information which is possible to have
23:05for my decision making pro.
23:08>> Um, it it says though in your book,
23:12Through the Eyes of the Enemy, Russian
23:14military intelligence does everything it
23:17can to prepare for a war that it
23:18considers inevitable.
23:21Let me be very clear about this. The GRU
23:23Russian military intelligence is still
23:26recruiting agents, still preparing for
23:28war with the United States as we
23:29approach the supposedly peaceful postwar
23:33uh cold war millennium. Now that's very
23:36clear and it seems to suggest there will
23:39be a war. Did you write that? And uh
23:44everything what is going on in uh uh
23:48Russian intelligence community now is
23:50confirming this proposal.
23:53Um because uh because because military
23:56machine it's can it's not independent
23:59machine it's working for the by the
24:02request of highest military political
24:05leadership from requests from president
24:09and uh if uh this government uh cannot
24:13afford to exist in peace time without
24:16crisis it's look for foreign enemies to
24:20put attention of people from domestic
24:23problems to foreign enemies activity.
24:26>> Wag the Kremlin.
24:27>> Yes.
24:30>> Um, also you said the GRU continues to
24:34train terrorists worldwide. As you can
24:38see, even though Russia no longer seems
24:40to be the direct enemy uh because of a
24:42desire for profit, it remains the major
24:45threat to the US through weapons
24:47proliferation and training. True. Uh
24:51true and uh uh actually my former
24:56associates by my former agency uh were
24:59involved in international terrorist
25:01training for a long long period of time
25:04but we never named these guys as
25:06terrorists because we named them
25:09fighters for national liberation
25:11movement
25:11>> of course
25:12>> freedom fighters
25:14>> of course
25:14>> and uh for for me and for my uh former
25:21associates. uh it it wasn't very good
25:23idea to take part in training of this
25:27dangerous persons because we knew
25:30exactly what is the real nature and uh
25:35uh I was really pleased when in 1990
25:39uh I heard about special request made by
25:43uh former Soviet first and last uh
25:47Soviet president Mikail Garbachov who
25:50requested my agent to stop training of
25:53international terrorists and we very
25:57welcome his decision but unfortunately
26:00in 1991 9293 and later I get news that
26:06uh this training still in place uh but
26:09if in time of former Soviet Union
26:12existence this uh training was uh done
26:16by political reason to establish Soviet
26:19influence in areas of this terrorist
26:22activity. Uh just now is going for money
26:25because everything is for sale for in
26:28Russia. Yes, for money because last news
26:31I heard about this once it was about
26:36cult members. This Japanese cult
26:40uh which used Ner's gas in Tokyo subway.
26:44>> Yes.
26:45>> Several years ago. And uh these members
26:48of this cult they receive training in
26:51one of the JU training centers. Oh.
26:53>> In Siberia and pay for this training.
26:57>> Oh my. That was the sarin gas attack in
26:59Tokyo.
27:00>> Yes. Um we have heard rumors of Russia
27:04developing
27:06laser
27:08seismic weapons uh weapons that would uh
27:11be developed to actually cause
27:13earthquakes which are even better than
27:16many atomic weapons electromagnetic and
27:19radio weapons uh development of these
27:22weapons is it still is it true first uh
27:26particularly about the seismic weapons
27:28is that True.
27:31>> Are you kidding?
27:36>> Um I I know that uh American people know
27:40so little about this uh hostile
27:44country's policies, military research
27:46development.
27:48uh but for me it uh it was well-known
27:51fact and uh by the way maybe uh you
27:55would be first uh who will know the
27:57official name of program uh which
28:00existed in former Soviet Union for the
28:02development of seismic or tectonic
28:05weapons. Uh name of this program was
28:09Mercury 18th.
28:11>> Mercury. Let me be sure I've got it
28:13right.
28:14>> Mercury 18th 18.
28:16>> Mercury 18.
28:17>> Yes.
28:18>> And this this was um what was the idea?
28:21Do you know uh how they could was it
28:24strategic placing of nuclear devices to
28:27cause
28:28>> No no no no no. Because seismic weapons
28:31is absolutely different type of weapons
28:34and using uh seismic energy uh natural
28:38energy which is existing in real life
28:41permanently
28:43uh and direct this energy to concrete
28:46places in concrete time to organize
28:49earthquake natural earthquake no nuclear
28:53connections. Yes. uh first researches
28:57which were done in this direction, they
29:00were connected with uh uh nuclear tests
29:03and uh Soviet scientists found
29:07connection between nuclear tests and uh
29:11earthquakes. But later development was
29:15absolutely not connected with nuclear
29:17explosions and uh concentrated of
29:20natural use of seismic energy.
29:24Wow. Mercury 18. Um, and so this was a
29:29different way to create earthquakes. Uh,
29:32using some using special machines uh to
29:36concentrate seismic energy on concrete
29:39places and organize natural earthquake
29:41in these places.
29:42>> Do you know if this was actually done?
29:45>> Yes, it was done. And uh let's say in
29:48the mid of 80s as a result of test of
29:50this weapons
29:52uh not very big city spaced
29:56in Kokazi trans kokazi region uh several
30:00villages were destroyed and uh I heard
30:03that uh last test was done in February
30:08of this year. February of this year
30:11>> in Chichna when uh um
30:17some people tried to uh organize
30:20earthquake in Chichian capital city of
30:23Gn uh but I don't think that this test
30:27was successful uh because uh instead of
30:31really big earthquake it was very small
30:35earthquake about 2 three° by RTOR scale.
30:41Okay. I would like to take a couple of
30:43calls and I need to think about what you
30:45just said to me. Um on my first time
30:48caller line, uh you're on the air with
30:52um Stan and Art. Where are you, please?
30:55>> Hello.
30:55>> Hello.
30:56>> Hi. My name is Milish. I'm calling from
30:57New York City.
30:58>> Yes, sir.
30:59>> Uh it's a great show and I have a
31:02question for Stanislav. Um, we know that
31:05America and Russia are really in a good
31:09shape right now, but Mr. Luna never
31:12mentioned anything about China. Uh,
31:15China is their closest neighbor, hostile
31:18neighbor, and you know, he never
31:19mentioned anything about China. I mean,
31:21what would be reason for Russia to talk
31:23to USA?
31:24>> Uh, it is it is an interesting uh
31:27interesting point and he did some
31:29intelligence work uh in or near China.
31:31So, we will ask him. Uh, are you Russian
31:33yourself?
31:34>> No, I'm from um well, 15 years ago used
31:36to be Yugoslavia. Right now, I don't
31:38know what it is.
31:40>> Right now, nobody knows.
31:42>> Uh, okay. Um, Zan, um, China, it's a
31:46good point. Um, China is a large, not a
31:49large nuclear power, but a substantial
31:51nuclear power.
31:53And if there were a war between the
31:56United States and Russia, if Russia
31:58attacked the US, what do you think China
32:00would do?
32:05uh you know that uh now uh there are no
32:09some kind of ideological disputes
32:11between Russian Federation and China uh
32:16which had place in time of Soviet Union
32:18existence. Uh and actually just now
32:22there are no any kind of very special uh
32:26problems in the relations between two
32:28countries. uh because all these problems
32:32were resolved uh during last uh 10 years
32:36include border problems.
32:37>> Yes. and relations between two countries
32:40just now are very good and uh
32:45by my point of view and not only my but
32:49some specialists
32:51uh relations between Russia and China
32:55are so good uh that it's possible to
32:58expect that in nearest time uh it would
33:02be some kind of military alliance
33:04between Russian Federation uh so-called
33:08democratic Russia and totalitarian China
33:12uh military ally directed against United
33:15States and uh Americans friends and
33:19allies everywhere
33:21uh so to propose that uh it could be
33:25some kind of real war between Russia and
33:29China no I don't think so they very
33:32close together they do have already have
33:35uh secret agreement
33:37for intelligence cooperation against
33:39United States and other western
33:41countries. They do have integrating
33:44military machines uh military-industrial
33:47complexes and uh if it could be happened
33:52and military ally would be alliance
33:55would be in place. Uh I think that uh
33:59China and Russia will stay together
34:03against American imperialism. Here in
34:06America, America, American imperialism,
34:09here in America, um many people think we
34:12have two governments that we have one
34:15secret government and one very public
34:18government.
34:19Um do you believe that in Russia there
34:22are really two governments? one that we
34:26see with Boris Yeltson sometimes and
34:29another government behind the scenes
34:31that is still holding all the power.
34:35Uh no, I don't think so because this
34:38government which you can see uh
34:42President Yen and around him is real
34:45government corrupted connected with
34:48criminals but it's real government.
34:50>> But it's a a real government. A real
34:54corrupted government.
34:55>> Yes.
34:56>> And Yes. And by the way, couple years
34:59ago, he need to recognize openly that
35:03just now Russia is a criminal state and
35:06uh of course he didn't mention about
35:10himself, but everybody include himself
35:13in this criminal system.
35:14>> Okay. Uh Wildcard Line, you're on the
35:16air with Stan and Art. Hi.
35:17>> Hi. Hi.
35:19>> Yes, sir.
35:19>> I'm calling from uh Carmichael,
35:22California.
35:23>> Yes, sir.
35:24Uh I just wanted to say Russia has
35:28something to offer the world and that's
35:33holy orthodoxy and that that mother god
35:39uh is watching over uh the orthodox
35:43people.
35:44>> All right. Well actually um okay
35:48there is now a revival of religion in
35:52Russia.
35:54>> Yes.
35:54>> Uh is it a strong revival and is it some
35:58reason for hope that um we will not uh
36:02uh it will not come to a war between our
36:04two nations? Um actually your second
36:08proposal was most correctly uh because
36:12it's not so much revival of religion but
36:15it's hope of people to find some kind of
36:18way for future.
36:21>> Yes. because in their current life they
36:24suffering too much and there is no any
36:28kind of ideology
36:30uh nationwide ideology in Russia and
36:33people return back to religion uh trying
36:37to find a way how to express themsel and
36:41found themselves in our world and uh
36:45orthodoxy yes of course Russian orthodox
36:48religion is still very extreme extremely
36:52popular between Russians but not only
36:55this religion. There are a lot of
36:57Catholics, yes, a lot of Jewish people,
37:01uh a lot of uh
37:04uh Islam people, Buddhists. So, uh
37:10>> I think I think many Americans would be
37:12surprised how many churches are in
37:14Russia. They are every place. Uh look at
37:17America and approximately the same
37:20situations in Russia.
37:21>> Yes, it's true. Um what should America
37:25watch for? What as we look at Russia and
37:28we watch the changes in Russia, what
37:31would be most dangerous?
37:34>> Very good question. But uh uh what
37:38America need uh to do in this situation?
37:42Let's say America need to know what is
37:46going on in foreign countries, let's say
37:49in Russia, in former Soviet Union and to
37:53recognize uh uh difference between uh
37:57promises and uh real situation.
38:01>> Yes. uh and try to understand how to
38:07push some nonresponsible people to
38:10fulfill their promises made officially
38:14and get a lot of money for this under
38:16this promises. billions of dollars and
38:20of course uh to prepare itself uh for
38:24the protection against possible danger
38:27and uh possible attacks from hostile and
38:32uh non-friendly countries to improve
38:35American national security system and uh
38:39to concentrate its system against for
38:43the protection against most important
38:46dangers uh for this country.
38:48>> Stan, uh, we're at the top of the hour.
38:51If you would like to stay on, uh, we can
38:53do one more hour. Many people would like
38:55to talk to you. That's up to you.
38:57>> Okay.
38:58>> You want one more?
39:00>> Okay.
39:00>> Okay. Good. Uh, stay right there.
39:11Uh, Stan, uh, welcome back again. Uh,
39:17Russia has always been, for good reason,
39:21I believe, a very paranoid
39:23um, government.
39:26Very paranoid. And Russia now sees NATO
39:32expanding all around them. How do you
39:36think they are reacting to this in
39:38Moscow?
39:39>> Very negative. Of course, they do not
39:44want this expansion because uh NATO and
39:50Western civilization, Western
39:52democracies
39:54becoming more and more closer to Russia
39:58itself.
39:58>> That's right.
39:59>> And they don't like it at all. And they
40:02try to explain to Russian people that
40:05American imperialism didn't change its
40:08nature. And until now
40:12uh is a real street uh internal uh
40:16foreign street uh for Russia and for
40:20Russian people and America trying to
40:22destroy Russia the same way as uh
40:26America destroy uh former Soviet Union.
40:29Uh of course uh this is propaganda and
40:33rhetoric. Uh some somebody believe it,
40:37somebody not. I don't think that uh
40:39majority of Russian believe in these
40:42ideas because uh Russian people is not
40:46stupid.
40:47>> But but but the old Russian hardline
40:49communists they surely believe it. Uh
40:54you know this hardline communists uh uh
41:00they never believe really in ideas which
41:04will pronounce by themsel as some kind
41:08of uh absolutely truth and uh when they
41:12talking about this NATO extension to the
41:16east and southeast
41:19um they using this is much more for
41:22propaganda. And then for real estimation
41:26of possible danger to Russia because you
41:30know that uh Russian government uh uh
41:35close its eyes on the missile transfer
41:39missile technology transfer to Iran and
41:42if Iran will develop its own missile
41:46weapons uh the first target uh for this
41:51missile uh uh would be southern Russia
41:55and it would be real threat to Russia,
41:58not mystical threat from NATO expansion.
42:01>> Mhm. Um
42:04I'm going to ask you again, what should
42:06we watch for? What would be very
42:09dangerous in Russia if we saw a civil
42:13war? Uh would that be a a very dangerous
42:16time for us here if we saw the
42:19communists begin to take over? uh and a
42:22coup d'eta with Yeltson out and uh
42:27Geronowski in or something like that.
42:29What would we watch for?
42:33Let's say that uh just now is necessary
42:36to watch what's going on in Russia very
42:39attentively because uh you know that
42:43Russian president Baris Yen
42:46uh he is not good health uh actually he
42:50is sick tired and ill and plus he is
42:54well known very bad habit uh actually
42:58he's drunk uh and uh every other say
43:03something could be happen with him but
43:06if it will happen with him now uh it
43:10would be constitutional crisis in Russia
43:13uh and uh keep in mind that in according
43:17Russian constitution uh he could be
43:20succeed by his prime minister only but
43:23in current time when he fired uh former
43:28prime minister young person Serve Korean
43:32two weeks ago
43:34>> he tried to
43:36uh receive um
43:39uh this parliament agreement uh for his
43:43old body Mr. Chername but parliament
43:47rejected candidacy of Chername and uh
43:51just now there is no uh constitutional
43:54successor for president and if something
43:58happened with Yen uh nobody will replace
44:01him and uh in time without power it's
44:05very good time for
44:08very strange people come to power. Yes.
44:12And that would be a very dangerous
44:14moment for the West.
44:15>> It would be extremely dangerous moment.
44:18>> Um, again, I'm going to ask you this
44:20question. And I know it's a very hard
44:22question, but if if if we began to see
44:26that happening over there, uh, and it
44:29seemed like war was inevitable
44:32eventually, wouldn't America,
44:36uh, be smart to
44:40to um use nuclear weapons first?
44:45uh for me once more it's very difficult
44:48to answer this question because I need
44:50to have uh information for the decision
44:53making process but uh art please uh
44:57trust me uh that in this in in this
45:00country
45:02you have enough smart people uh who plan
45:06American activity for any possible
45:10development worldwide and in your
45:13department of defense I I think uh uh
45:16there are very good plans how to react
45:20for any possible changes in Russian
45:23Federation includes possibility of cool
45:26revolt, social arrest, unrest and all
45:29other possible developments. So if Boris
45:33Yelton were to die today,
45:36there is no constitutional succession uh
45:40in place uh and it would be the power
45:44would be up for grabs. Is that right?
45:47Yes. But keep in mind one more point
45:50that according to Russian constitution
45:53if something happened now with Yen
45:56uh his constitutional successor would be
46:00his former prime minister which was
46:03fired two weeks ago. So he he guy who
46:07was fired by Yelen and destroyed
46:10politically and actually according
46:13Russian constitution he needs to be
46:15acting president but nobody from uh
46:20Russian government uh doesn't want to
46:22recognize this fact and of course uh if
46:26you return back to two weeks ago it was
46:31CBS news uh from Moscow
46:34uh that Yen signed his letter for
46:37resignation.
46:39Uh and of course when somebody from Yen
46:42office uh found article 117.5
46:49in his own constitution he explained it
46:52to Yen that if something happened with
46:55him he would be replaced by person which
46:59was fired by Yen. Of course, after this,
47:02Jensen immediately stepped back and
47:04said, "No, no, no intentions and I
47:07didn't sign nothing."
47:08>> Do you believe he did?
47:11>> Yes. In this case, it's everything looks
47:13like it's almost happened.
47:18>> All right. Uh, back to these phone
47:20lines. Uh, first time caller line,
47:21you're on the air with Stan and Art.
47:23Hello.
47:24>> Good evening, Art and Stan.
47:25>> Hi. You're going to have to yell at us,
47:27sir.
47:27>> Yes. This is Wayne calling from the
47:28great Northwest. uh K Kx radio.
47:31>> Yes, sir.
47:32>> Wanting to uh ask uh Stan what knowledge
47:35he might have if he has any inside
47:37knowledge of uh UFOs that perhaps the
47:40Russians have uh captured and if there's
47:43been any trading of these type of items
47:46between Russia and the United States.
47:48>> All right, good question. Uh Stan, in
47:50this in this country,
47:52>> I know I know
47:53>> we we have many many reports of objects
47:56that fly very quickly, very strangely.
47:59uh and people believe the government
48:00does not tell the truth about these
48:02things.
48:04>> Yes. And I I remember Russian newspapers
48:08publications during uh last several
48:11weeks. Uh and in all these publications
48:14uh Russian specialists or people who
48:17pretend to be specialists they are
48:19talking about that American military
48:23establish contact with unknown flying
48:25objects with aliens came to our earth
48:29from another
48:32system space system and keeping them in
48:35very secret camp in Nevada or somewhere
48:38else.
48:39>> No it is Nevada. It is Nevada and maybe
48:41maybe this is even better than Star
48:43Wars, huh?
48:44>> Yes. So,
48:47so absolutely the same situation in
48:50Russia and same interest and attitude to
48:53unknown flying objects.
48:54>> Uh actually in in Russia there is a very
48:57very big interest in the paranormal,
48:59isn't there?
49:00>> Yes. Because uh Russian people who are
49:04actually sick and tired from their
49:06normal life, they're looking for
49:08something else uh for something
49:11interesting uh to keep this interest
49:14like support for their life.
49:17>> Um all right, Wildcard Line, you're on
49:19the air with Zan and Art. Good morning.
49:22>> Yes. I think uh before we uh uh talk
49:25about learning more about the Soviet
49:26Union, I think we ought to learn more
49:28about how uh the American government uh
49:30both the open and the secret government
49:32and the corporate media which interlocks
49:34with the military-industrial complex
49:36subjects us to this kind of
49:38disinformation and propaganda. Uh
49:40there's a book uh one is called
49:41unreliable sources. Another is
49:43manufacturing of consent by Nam Chossky
49:46and he says we're probably in cold war
49:49uh issues the most brainwashed people in
49:50the world because in other countries
49:52they sort of know they're getting the
49:53official line but here it comes down is
49:55the art bell program or as 60 Minutes
49:59and we don't see this propaganda and
50:01there I think what is going on here is
50:04is a classic case of what is brought out
50:06in his book unreliable sources how
50:08so-called defectors have been used by
50:11the central intelligence agency to
50:12scaremonger to create this kind of uh
50:15phony threats uh uh whether it's uh in
50:18Central America or the Soviet Union to
50:20justify massive military budgets. Uh uh
50:24former CIA just like David.
50:25>> All right, I'll take a sir. I think we
50:27Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold
50:29it.
50:30>> Stop. Stop. Pause. Take a deep breath.
50:32We've got the thrust of your question.
50:35And what you're saying to Stan is that
50:38you believe he is spreading propaganda
50:41and disinformation to create a threat to
50:44feed the military-industrial complex,
50:46ensuring it continues to get its money
50:48to build weapons systems. Isn't that
50:50right?
50:51>> He's been I'm I'm saying that he's not
50:53the first This has been going on for the
50:54last 15 years.
50:55>> I got that. I got that. But you're
50:57saying he is one of those.
50:59>> Well, there's going to be a there's
51:01going to be an automatic aimatic denial.
51:03So I I'm I I I expect
51:05>> Well, allow him allow him to make you
51:07make the accusation. Let him make the
51:09denial. All right.
51:09>> I like to respond. Yes.
51:10>> Yeah. All right. Uh Stan, if I
51:13understand right, it's not question,
51:15it's statement.
51:16>> Well, yeah, it's accusation. He he
51:19>> statement or accusation. And
51:22uh I can tell to this uh to this uh
51:26gentleman
51:28uh that uh let's say that if I uh will
51:32would be connected uh with American
51:36special services and work for their
51:38interest, I would be really proud of it.
51:42But just now I am providing you my own
51:46information and not connected with any
51:48kind of political games. Well, you know,
51:50even on Mission Impossible any even the
51:53popular public realizes if you're
51:54discouraged, you know, we will deny
51:56everything. But I but more than that,
51:58you know, you talk about NATO, uh I
52:00think most people in this country don't
52:02know that NATO was formed nearly 7 years
52:04before the Warsaw Pact was formed. It
52:06was a uh the Warsaw Pack was a defensive
52:09uh response to that. the every uh major
52:12buildup by the by thei by the was of a
52:15weapon system was developed by the
52:16United States from the hydrogen bomb to
52:18intercontinent missiles intercontinental
52:20bombers. We're far ahead of the Soviet
52:23Union. The only country that has
52:25demanded the uh first strike policy has
52:27been the United States. The Soviets uh
52:29refused a first strike and uh tried to
52:31get the United States to accept that.
52:33All of this attempt to project what has
52:36been a policy as you even let slip out.
52:39They should be paranoid because uh uh
52:41the United States along with 14 other
52:43countries invaded the Soviet Union after
52:44the Bolevik revolution and after the
52:47second world war Lucius Clay and
52:49elements in the joint chiefs had uh
52:51exactly this policy of a of a first
52:53strike against the Soviet Union. this
52:55this genocidal policy that you so caval
52:58literally uh uh throw out there. Uh uh
53:01you know, it seems to me that there's
53:04never been a bombing that you've opposed
53:06except to say that enough millions of
53:09people have been killed or we didn't use
53:11nuclear weapons.
53:14>> All right, slow up for a second. Um Stan
53:16he's saying that the United States
53:19is a very warlike nation that we um we
53:23resort to military force uh all the time
53:27to um uh as we did uh as as we did just
53:31recently uh in the attack on the
53:33terrorist camp and that factory uh that
53:37or we as we did in um Iraq that we
53:41really are the military aggressors not
53:43Russia and that what we're getting from
53:45you is propaganda to prop up our
53:48military industrial complex.
53:52>> Um, first of all, I need by the way,
53:56what's the name of this gentleman?
53:58>> I don't know. It doesn't matter. He
54:00doesn't have a name. He's gone. He's
54:02gone now.
54:02>> No, no, no, no. If I'm talking to
54:04somebody, I need to say,
54:05>> okay, Mr. We'll call him Mr. X.
54:08>> Okay. Mr. X
54:10need to know that just now I'm not
54:13specialist in America. I'm specialist in
54:16Russia. Uh and just now American
54:19military is uh
54:22uh was downside so much that it's not
54:26compare with American military which
54:28existed six or seven years ago.
54:31>> Yes. But that's why Mr. X thinks you're
54:33here talking on the air now. uh so that
54:36we can build it back up again.
54:39>> Did I tell somebody that you need to
54:41increase your military machine?
54:43>> No, actually you didn't. Actually, you
54:46didn't. That's right. Stan, we're we're
54:48at the bottom of the hour, so we've got
54:49to pause here. Hold on. We'll be right
54:51back.
54:53>> The um highest ranking US
54:57asset.
54:59Once the highest ranking US uh USSR
55:04defector is now ours. He's here. We'll
55:06be right back.
55:14>> Back now to Stan. Stan, here's a really
55:16good question for you. Uh, do you think
55:18that the KGB
55:21is uh still in control or is in control
55:25of the mafia in Russia or the mafia is
55:28in control of the KGB?
55:30uh uh first of all I need to return back
55:34to the previous question uh not question
55:37but statement of Mr. X.
55:39>> Yes.
55:39>> Uh because a lot of people asking me how
55:43Soviet propaganda
55:45explain what does it mean American
55:47imperialism?
55:49Uh Soviet propaganda explain America
55:52exactly like this gentleman told us in
55:56his statement. and uh I can if it's
56:00possible I would like to give him very
56:02small piece of advice.
56:04if he will chance uh to find my book. Uh
56:08please uh read this book and you will
56:11find a lot of answers for your
56:13questions. When uh you will ask me next
56:18time about this ones, you will already
56:20have all possible information by this
56:23reason. Uh about uh this question
56:27connection between KGB and mafia. Um I
56:32need to repeat myself uh what I already
56:36said in the book uh that uh Russian
56:39mafia is absolutely different from other
56:42types of mafia uh from Sicilian,
56:46Colombian and other uh because it
56:49include top level communist party
56:52officials just now former communist
56:55party officials highest level government
56:57bureaucrats law enforcement agencies his
57:01leaders and uh top level uh generals,
57:06military, many many star generals and uh
57:10direct criminals inside uh these
57:13organizations.
57:15Uh so uh there is uh some kind of direct
57:19link between organized crime in Russia
57:22and uh Russian law enforcement agencies
57:26include former KGB.
57:28uh you know that KGB was u uh split four
57:34different agencies. Yes. In 19
57:3891 after this they were united in one
57:41agency. After this one small split for
57:44several agencies just now there are five
57:48former KGB successors. And actually
57:52mafia has their own people in every of
57:56these state institutions
57:58uh main KGB successors of our times.
58:04>> So it is a great mixture is what you're
58:08saying.
58:08>> Yes. and uh let's say that former PGB
58:13fourstar generals uh are so closely
58:17connected with mafia uh that sometimes
58:21is very difficult to uh find difference
58:24between mafia and KGB and uh let's say
58:29former KGB generals just now very
58:32legitimate businessmen uh using their
58:35international connections and their
58:37people uh recruited by KGB intelligence
58:41officers in different countries uh
58:44organized some kind of drug trafficking
58:48uh from Golden Triangle in Southeast
58:51Asia uh to northern America uh through
58:55former Soviet Central Asia republics,
58:58Eastern Europe and Latin American
59:01countries. Uh so everything is connected
59:05and uh with very small difference
59:08between them.
59:10>> Um we have all uh seen many movies and
59:13many um examples of Sicilian and Italian
59:17mafia. It is my understanding the
59:19Russian mafia is far more brutal. Is
59:23that true? and uh it's estimation of
59:27people who are inside Sicilian and
59:30Colombian mafia because they consider
59:33themselves some some kind of kids before
59:37Russian mobsters.
59:40>> All right, here we go. Uh first time
59:42caller line, you're on the air with Stan
59:44and Art.
59:45>> Hello, Art. This is Hessher from
59:46Belfare, Washington.
59:47>> Yes, sir. Um, I wanted to touch for a
59:50moment on um the weather manipulation
59:52and the harp deal. Um, I had um I guess
59:57it was when I was surfing one night off
59:59of a link off of your site and I had
1:00:01previously read this the underground
1:00:03bases and tunnels book by Richard
1:00:05Solder.
1:00:06>> Yes. And it kind of sparked some ideas
1:00:07with me. And I had heard something about
1:00:10America in the late 1970s
1:00:14that they had shipped a 40tonon
1:00:18electromagnet
1:00:20over to Russia that they were installing
1:00:23in a facility that was possibly linked
1:00:25with HARP and it was able to produce
1:00:29um an electromagnetic field that was
1:00:31like 300,000 times more powerful than
1:00:35the gravity field on Earth.
1:00:37>> Yeah. Well, your question is a very good
1:00:39one with regard to electromagnetic
1:00:41weapons and uh the Russians were and are
1:00:44now working on electromagnetic weapons.
1:00:46Are they not Sam? Um
1:00:51you are right because this weapons is
1:00:54some kind of weapons of future and uh
1:00:57Soviet scientists and after them Russian
1:01:00scientists they spend a lot of time and
1:01:02resources uh trying to find way how to
1:01:06use electromagnetic weapons against
1:01:08human being in possible uh war.
1:01:15Um and not only this because you already
1:01:18said mentioned about laser weapons and
1:01:22you know what happened about one year
1:01:24ago when American pilots were blind by
1:01:30Russian soal scientific ship.
1:01:32>> Yes.
1:01:33>> Uh which snaked around American nuclear
1:01:35submarines in Pacific. And uh you know
1:01:39this is about seismic weapons and uh
1:01:42very low frequency radio waves weapons,
1:01:46electromagnetic weapons. So it's
1:01:50very many new types of weapons. Now
1:01:54Russia is having a very hard time
1:01:56financially. They can barely keep their
1:01:59space station in orbit. Do they manage
1:02:02to come up with black budget money to
1:02:04continue these projects today? uh and
1:02:07this is one of the paradox uh in of
1:02:11current Russian life because in time of
1:02:14uh very deep multi- side crisis
1:02:19uh Russian government uh find money uh
1:02:24for development of Russian
1:02:26military-industrial complex and in time
1:02:29when this government doesn't pay any
1:02:32serious attention over conventional
1:02:34forces in Russia they still keeping very
1:02:38close control over strategic uh weapons
1:02:42development and uh um actually Russian
1:02:47military industrial complex just now is
1:02:49leading in the world in new re
1:02:53researches and developments of new types
1:02:57of weapons and traditional mass
1:03:00destruction weapons. But uh this is
1:03:03paradox as everything is in Russia.
1:03:06Well, it was it was always my
1:03:08understanding, Stan, that uh Russian
1:03:11strategic nuclear weapons, Russian
1:03:13submarines,
1:03:15um all were under very tight central
1:03:20control in Moscow and that they really
1:03:24still are today under very tight central
1:03:27control. What is so worrisome is that
1:03:31the central control is not very stable.
1:03:36Good point. Yes. Uh but in time when
1:03:39this control is not so stable by itself
1:03:43or inside itself, uh they are keeping
1:03:46very strong control over strategic armed
1:03:49forces because they know that this is
1:03:53all only one uh that Russian government
1:03:58can use for the money extortion from the
1:04:01west.
1:04:03Um, our president of course was just um
1:04:07in Moscow
1:04:09and meeting with Boris Yelton and it
1:04:13seems like they reached some kind of
1:04:15arms agreement which I'm sure you
1:04:18believe the Russian government will make
1:04:21promises about but never follow through
1:04:23on. I see that meeting as completely
1:04:27useless. Do you?
1:04:30Uh for me this uh summit was strange uh
1:04:35from the beginning.
1:04:37>> Yes. because I understand that American
1:04:41administration
1:04:43uh try to use this summit uh for
1:04:48um
1:04:50uh especially
1:04:52to have some kind of agreement of
1:04:56Russian non-participation
1:04:58in
1:05:01proliferation of mass destruction
1:05:03weapons in Russian participation in uh
1:05:07uh liquidating of international
1:05:09conflicts and uh for fighting against uh
1:05:13international terrorism or something
1:05:15else. Uh so it looks like America try to
1:05:20use once more direct meeting with
1:05:23Russian President Baris Yen asking
1:05:26Russia to uh carry not so dangerous
1:05:30policy which is caring now by Russian
1:05:33government. But from the beginning for
1:05:36me it was very strange that this meeting
1:05:39would be with person who is absolutely
1:05:43unresponsible
1:05:44given a lot of promises but never
1:05:46fulfilled his promises. So it was
1:05:49fruitless from the beginning and the
1:05:52result of this summit I never saw the
1:05:56same uh summit which didn't have any
1:05:59practical results.
1:06:02Um, may I ask you this? During the time
1:06:06before you defected to this country,
1:06:10were you for a period of time a double
1:06:13agent?
1:06:15>> What does it mean?
1:06:16>> It means working for the Soviet Union
1:06:20and the United States.
1:06:22>> No,
1:06:22>> never.
1:06:23>> No.
1:06:25>> Wildard Line, you're on the air with Art
1:06:27and Stan. Hello.
1:06:28>> Hi, Art and Hi, Stan. Joe from Boston.
1:06:30>> Hi, Joe. I and I just want to say before
1:06:32I ask him a question, I met a guest of
1:06:34yours and he said to say hi to you. Uh I
1:06:36don't know whether you had him on a long
1:06:38time ago.
1:06:38>> Who would that be?
1:06:39>> Oh, Showman, Jack Showman, American
1:06:41Computer Product.
1:06:42>> Oh, yes, of course.
1:06:42>> He said hi. Okay, Stan, I have a couple
1:06:46questions for you. I'm a little
1:06:47surprised at you. First of all, I can't
1:06:49see. And we have the missile problem
1:06:51here. Uh the Russians, Jeff Nyquis was
1:06:53on our show and he believes and I do
1:06:56too, that the military in Russia is
1:06:59armed to the hilt. Our military is cut
1:07:01back. So does Mr. Scalian. He's
1:07:04explained theoretically how a war could
1:07:07happen. And this Y2K problem could be
1:07:10the start of the Russians war because I
1:07:13know Kruef says we're going to bury you.
1:07:15We have Russian soldiers. We have cut
1:07:17our military in half. So, I'd like you
1:07:20to address these problems because uh if
1:07:22this why
1:07:23>> what is what is your specific question?
1:07:24>> My question is uh are the Russian
1:07:27missiles armed and pointed at America
1:07:30and when Y2K happens, is there a good
1:07:32chance that the Russians will start a
1:07:34war? That's a perfect
1:07:35>> All right. All right. The Y2K thing is a
1:07:38computer problem. There are many many
1:07:40people who are worried about an the
1:07:42accidental uh beginning of a war and it
1:07:45is it is worth worrying about.
1:07:48Uh do you know about this Y2K big
1:07:50computer problem?
1:07:52>> Yes, of course.
1:07:53>> Well, the Russian
1:07:54>> but but but just ask me about uh Russian
1:07:58missiles. Are they directed against the
1:08:00United States?
1:08:01>> That's right.
1:08:02>> Officially they are not directed uh
1:08:05during last uh I think 6 years. Uh but
1:08:10uh this is for general public. uh but
1:08:13for military professionals it's well
1:08:15known that uh uh if computer of missile
1:08:21warhead uh had target sometimes when it
1:08:26doesn't matter when uh it go inside this
1:08:29computer to reprogram this computer and
1:08:33uh to restore the same targets it's
1:08:36necessary to spend uh only one part of
1:08:40second H
1:08:42>> uh so they could not be directed now or
1:08:46maybe when we spoke they could be
1:08:48redirected to different targets many
1:08:51many times.
1:08:52>> Would it be fair to say would it be fair
1:08:54to say that the cold war is still going
1:08:57on?
1:08:58uh official cold war in this uh real
1:09:02sense of this world uh finished long
1:09:06time ago and not uh because of uh
1:09:10Russian Federation government but
1:09:12because of uh last and first Soviet
1:09:16president Mikail Garbachov
1:09:20uh but uh in officially
1:09:24uh this war is still in place
1:09:26>> and it's going on by much more dangerous
1:09:29ways and underground in Shadow because
1:09:33all parts which are participating in
1:09:36this war uh using their intelligence
1:09:39machines, counterintelligence apparatus
1:09:43and the Russian side using its organized
1:09:46crime connections uh trying to restore
1:09:49its power and to find way for future
1:09:53dominance in the world. Miss Dan, I was
1:09:55in the American Air Force and when the
1:09:58Cold War was I was in there when during
1:10:01the Vietnam War, during the Cold War,
1:10:03would you say that when we were in the
1:10:07military it was safer then than it is
1:10:10now? Or is it more dangerous now? Art, I
1:10:14think that just now is much more
1:10:16dangerous because you remember these
1:10:18times when you was in the air force, it
1:10:21was uh confrontation of two military
1:10:25blocks, two powers.
1:10:26>> Yes.
1:10:27>> And every side knew exactly that if one
1:10:30side will make a step, another side will
1:10:33make immediately counter step and both
1:10:36side cannot afford to broke this balance
1:10:39of powers. But just now when in Kremlin
1:10:44there are very unresponsible people uh
1:10:48it's possible to expect that every other
1:10:51day in Russian Federation it's happened
1:10:54something really dangerous and if it's
1:10:56happened somebody unknown will come to
1:11:00power and we will have real danger.
1:11:06So what then? Tell me San, what would
1:11:09you tell the American people? What would
1:11:12you like to tell the American people in
1:11:14your book now on the radio? What would
1:11:16you like to tell the American people?
1:11:18>> U thank you for this opportunity. Uh
1:11:22first of all, I would like uh to ask
1:11:25American people do not believe uh very
1:11:29old Soviet propaganda. Unfortunately,
1:11:33I understand uh
1:11:36uh that until now this propaganda is
1:11:38still effective and influence uh over
1:11:42some uh people in America and uh for
1:11:46this country I think is necessary to
1:11:48know uh what danger is before this
1:11:53country and uh what is the most
1:11:56dangerous trends which could affect
1:11:59American way of life and of course to
1:12:02try to do something to protect America
1:12:06because if something happened with
1:12:08America, it will happen with fortress of
1:12:12uh democracy in the world and uh America
1:12:16need to pay attention for their national
1:12:18security. I don't call you guys to spend
1:12:22much more money to recruit much more
1:12:25soldiers or to increase build up of your
1:12:29military machine. No, I'd like to ask
1:12:32you guys to improve your national
1:12:34security in this country. You have very
1:12:37powerful intelligence and counter
1:12:40intelligence community. And these
1:12:42people, they are real professionals.
1:12:45They actually they sacrifice their life
1:12:48trying to protect America from all
1:12:50possible threats. But uh they do not
1:12:53have enough people, money and
1:12:56possibilities to protect everything in
1:12:59this country.

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