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0:01irms was founded in
0:032019 out of a um need that we saw to
0:08bring more attention to misogynist
0:11violence and
0:12ideologies um that were either not taken
0:15seriously or
0:17misunderstood even as mass violence um
0:20driven by misogynist ideology had been
0:24increasing um so we funded the Institute
0:26and we've seen a lot of progress toward
0:30more understanding um of male
0:33supremacism as a construct um which is
0:37the belief um that cisgender men are
0:40superior that they deserve dominance
0:43that they're
0:44entitled um that involves the oppression
0:48and dominance of any others which
0:50includes cisgender women and any trans
0:55or non-binary um
0:58people um and so our work has really
1:01leaned in especially to looking at
1:04misogyny and trans misogyny on the
1:06attacks on CY and trans women that are
1:10rolled into the construct of male
1:12supremacism and the biological
1:14essentialism at the core of it that it
1:17requires the belief in two Sexes um and
1:22so the dehumanization and aaser of
1:24anyone who doesn't fit into those boxes
1:27um and I know Florence and blue will get
1:29more deeply into
1:32that the other kind of element of what
1:34we do is that we mostly work around the
1:39construct of supremacist
1:42ideologies rather than extremism or
1:47radicalization or other kind of similar
1:50terms one of the reasons for this is
1:52because we know that um male supremacism
1:56as well as cisgender
1:58supremacism and white supremacism and
2:01other forms of Supremacy um are really
2:04not just Fringe issues they're at the
2:07core of our society um historically and
2:11in the present day um when we look at
2:15something like misogynist violence and
2:18we consider not just the major acts of
2:22mass violence that get a lot of media
2:25attention but the really high
2:27disproportionate levels of violence
2:30against women um an intimate partner and
2:33interpersonal violence and then even
2:36higher um disproportionate violence
2:39towards uh women who are also trans or
2:42people of color or in other ways a
2:45marginalized um or vulnerable
2:47population um and so when we work within
2:50a frame like extremism we miss things
2:54like that the belief systems um around
2:58entitlement around
3:01um the division of the
3:04Sexes um around gender sort of what they
3:08call traditional IE supremacist beliefs
3:11um are the same ones shared by
3:14misogynist incels and intimate partner
3:18abuse
3:19perpetrators um and so when we neglect
3:23that we miss um really important factors
3:28around what's at the root of these kinds
3:32of supremacist um beliefs and these
3:36versions of violence um and often that
3:40can feed misconceptions around things
3:43like the focus on misogynist incels
3:46focusing on um them as a group that does
3:50not have sexual or romantic
3:52relationships with women and thinking
3:54that that's the intervention point and
3:56the thing to correct versus recognizing
4:00that actually there's a consistent male
4:02supremacist ideology that also
4:06influences perpetrators of intimate
4:08partner violence um and then we need to
4:11see those things in
4:13Tandem and so we've seen um more of an
4:17Embrace of that there was a recent
4:19Secret Service report um that talked
4:22about misogyny as a spectrum including
4:26things like domestic abuse um and when
4:29you
4:30when you penetrate the mainstream um
4:33like the Secret Service um uh you figure
4:36that you must be uh starting to win over
4:39sort of people's understanding of these
4:42things um and so we really want to
4:46influence how people understand things
4:49like countering violent extremism
4:52preventing violent extremism counter
4:54terrorism the different kind of
4:56terminologies that are used towards
4:58these groups and bringing them back to
5:01this isn't just Fringe it's mainstream
5:04and also to being able to follow
5:06supremacist ideologies as they appear in
5:10what is conceived of as a liberal
5:14movement or population
5:17turfs primarily cisgender women
5:21primarily cisgender white women um who
5:25uh espouse really virent anti-trans
5:29ideology
5:30an attempt to strip away trans rights
5:33are an example of this kind of cisgender
5:38supremacism
5:40um we have had lots of exposure of
5:44perpetrators of harassment and abuse
5:48within liberal or leftist movements VIIs
5:51gender men in those movements um
5:54especially during the me to period um
5:57when people you know were talking about
6:00these kinds of factors and so by
6:03focusing then on not rightwing or
6:07radical right
6:09ideology um but on the supremacist
6:12ideology we can we hope more easily make
6:15sense of what's going on within um what
6:20would be categorized as a leftist
6:22movement and of course the fact that
6:25through history most movements that are
6:27leftist are in some way
6:30um represent supren assist or
6:32exclusionary ideas the history of unions
6:36dominated by cisgender white men um what
6:40has been called populism Through The
6:42Years lots of examples of these so we
6:46work on supremacism and we work also on
6:49the concept of supremacist ideology as
6:53core to
6:54authoritarianism um that
6:57authoritarianism globally um you can
7:00always see is founded on male
7:03supremacist
7:04ideologies um really strict divisions
7:07around the roles of the Sexes concepts
7:10of
7:11machismo um of
7:13masculinity um and so we bring those
7:15things in as well and we take a global
7:20transnational perspective in doing this
7:23work um which recognizes that different
7:27countries have different versions of of
7:30supremacism of Theocratic movements of
7:34what might be
7:37um their multi-party structure um and
7:41how things might shake out especially
7:43when you don't when you're in other
7:45countries that are not the US that don't
7:47just have a two-party system um that you
7:51look at the multi-party system and how
7:53it demonstrates
7:56supremacism in different ways in
7:58different parties
8:00um and so looking at those kinds of
8:02things and understanding those
8:04constructs is really core to what we'll
8:06be doing in the webinar series and the
8:09trainings over the course of this year
8:12and then building from those points
8:15because we think of supremacist
8:19ideology um as really core to society as
8:24found in the
8:25mainstream um our prevention points tend
8:28to be
8:30early on in Educational Systems and also
8:34through cultural systems um we don't
8:37focus on um what can be sometimes
8:40categorized as um 11th Hour
8:44interventions or high cost low yield
8:47interventions these are interventions
8:50that happen to people who are already on
8:53the pathway to
8:55radicalization as it's called or are
8:57already in a supremacist move movement
9:00um so working on
9:02formers um working on getting them to
9:04leave movements working on preventing
9:06them from getting deeper into
9:08movements
9:11um a lot of what we do um with our
9:15intervention points is thinking about
9:17actually if misogyny if
9:21racism if anti-trans ideology if these
9:24things are on a spectrum with what's
9:27found in the mainstream then we can have
9:29different intervention points our
9:32keynote talk at our recent conference um
9:35the recording for which should be
9:37available soon um if you missed it um
9:41brought in speakers from glisten and
9:44advocates for Youth and seek us and
9:46educate us talking about intervention
9:50points around comprehensive sexuality
9:54education which is a space where you can
9:56counter dehumanization with human ation
10:00where you can support empathy where you
10:03teach consent and other firms forms of
10:07trans affirming
10:09education um and other elements of
10:11Education that provides um an accurate
10:14and empathetic view um of different
10:19peoples we um think also when we work on
10:25these kinds of things or when we work on
10:27media representation
10:30um a focus for this year will be doing
10:32some work around drag artists and
10:35performance um and how they influence
10:38culture um is thinking about those kinds
10:42of intervention points as ones that then
10:45are benefiting and intervening in
10:48society as a whole they're also just not
10:51just focused on perpetrators or people
10:54considered at risk for perpetration
10:57something like comprehensive sex
10:58education
10:59is geared towards everyone and
11:02resourcing the populations who also need
11:05to be resourced because they're
11:07marginalized um and vulnerable um not
11:11just giving our resources to people who
11:13might be perpetrators which has been um
11:17involved in the mental health approach
11:19to interventions for instance and other
11:22elements of resources that really
11:25privilege a population um that is
11:28typically
11:29majority cisgender straight white men
11:32who are the perpetrators of violence who
11:34are already the most resourced
11:37population um and not thinking about
11:40queer um populations populations of
11:44color and other communities um that
11:47really require um these kinds of
11:50supports as
11:51well uh and we think also that
11:56supremacist movements are actually
11:58really aware um they have the same
12:00perspective on us as us as to the root
12:04causes of how you get supremacism across
12:08and what can threaten it because they
12:10have for more than half a century been
12:13attacking comprehensive sex education in
12:17different kinds of ways first branding
12:19it as communist and trying to get rid of
12:21it all together then creating abstinence
12:24only education um
12:27that teaches things that violate consent
12:30that are anti-lgbti
12:33AP um that support gender biological
12:38essentialism um they've really focused
12:40on that for a long time and the attacks
12:44that have accelerated in the past year
12:46on drag artists and performance um which
12:49is another way for them to conflate and
12:52attack trans people as well are elements
12:56of recogn recognizing that these are
12:58power power ful the attacks on libraries
13:02um and Librarians who have books that
13:05represent a diversity of perspectives um
13:09that they recognize how important these
13:10areas are for building empathy for
13:14humanization um and what a really
13:16significant threat they are to
13:18supremacist and authoritarian goals and
13:22so often liberals who defend um
13:29against book bans or attacks on queer
13:32and trans
13:33populations or protect sexed um think of
13:38it as this is something that we decided
13:41to call the culture wars that means that
13:44it's less important rather than that
13:47culture shapes our entire
13:50Society um and these are
13:53distractions that the so-called right is
13:58trying to just dist ract us from the
14:00real issues and yes we should protect
14:03these spaces because we support human
14:06rights and civil rights but we don't
14:09really think that those spaces are so
14:12important that's the perspective that I
14:14think we get from a lot of kind of
14:16liberal Democratic populations and they
14:19ask us to refocus on the real issues and
14:23so um supported by coming from our work
14:26in intersectional feminism and movement
14:29studies um
14:31irms really rejects that perspective on
14:35things and builds towards understanding
14:39actually they've spent so much time and
14:42money and attention on education and
14:46culture and preventing gendere
14:49expressive performance um and on these
14:52kinds of issues because they're actually
14:54really powerful and they have a
14:56long-term generational imp impact and so
15:01we have you know we have uh youth who
15:06have grown up in federally funded
15:09absence only um Educational Systems
15:12since the 1990s who are among our voters
15:16who look at somebody like Donald Trump
15:20and think that he looks just like they
15:23learned that men are that men sexually
15:27harassed that men don't follow consent
15:30that you just kind of have to accept
15:33that um Liz Yates did really excellent
15:36research on tea party women that found
15:39just this kind of understanding that
15:41well this is just the way the world
15:43is
15:45um and systems that have been intended
15:49to dismantle the public education system
15:52to convince liberals that privatization
15:55is somehow a better social justice good
15:58instead of being rooted in
16:01segregationist maintenance and systems
16:03and a way to allow Theocratic
16:05encroachment in the educational system
16:08to exclude people um from access and so
16:13these kinds of elements are at the core
16:17of the work we're doing and why as we go
16:20into our anti-s supremacist training
16:22webinar series and our other programming
16:25will'll work on things around these
16:28kinds of root causes um about thinking
16:32with this kind of mentality and about
16:35thinking about prevention and
16:37intervention in a way that involves
16:40broad-based
16:42Community um cultural interventions and
16:46also things that
16:48simultaneously because burnout is really
16:51real in this area build community joy
16:55and support um that as we
17:00recognize the power of dragon queer
17:05performance and art um I personally do a
17:11cabaret um here where I'm currently
17:14living in New
17:16Mexico um that was started by a
17:18burgeoning drag queen last year that's
17:21very queer where I have talked about
17:23bisexuality and abortion on the stage
17:26right after they struck down row
17:29for our pride month um cap Ray which has
17:32been really important for me um in
17:35sustaining pop mob in Oregon met the
17:40proud boys with queer dance parties that
17:43not only pushed back the aesthetic that
17:45they wanted but helped bring joy and
17:48support for their communities and so
17:50these creative Innovative T techniques
17:54um sex education that is positive and
17:57consent-based in that fuels The Souls of
18:01not only young Youth and Young people
18:03but adults too who could totally use it
18:06um that these things go into the core of
18:10what our work looks
18:11like so I'm going to wrap up our my
18:15opening remarks there um I really
18:18appreciate the snaps that blue has been
18:20giving me on on their screen that I can
18:25see here um I'm going to hand things
18:27over to Blue and Florence and then in
18:30the Q&A um if anyone who's here is
18:34considering being involved with our
18:36anti-s supremacist training institutes
18:39or if you'd like to ask me about other
18:41elements of IRS programming like our
18:44fellow and programs that are open now
18:46I'll be available to answer um and give
18:49more information about all of those
18:52things um after after our presentations
18:55today as well so thank you again for all
18:59being here and I I hand things over to
19:02Blue and
19:06Florence awesome thank you so much Alex
19:09and I again as a fellow just to be very
19:13transparent um irms is doing amazing
19:16work and you should definitely keep up
19:19with the stuff that that folks are doing
19:22um I want to start off today's
19:24discussion um really thinking about what
19:28it means to to grasp things at the root
19:30and a a big part of what we're
19:33discussing today is really trying to
19:37understand supremacism at the root
19:40and drawing on the lineage of thinkers
19:45and radical intellectuals right um a big
19:49part of what it means to be radical is
19:52to grasp things at their root and this
19:55is a a way of thinking that scholar like
19:59Angela Davis right have described as an
20:03important way of avoiding what a lot of
20:06what Alex was talking about is about
20:07sort of 11th Hour
20:10interventions um and really thinking
20:13about what kind of structural changes
20:16need to be implemented in order to see
20:19the kind of changes that we want to have
20:22um in the world so I also just want to
20:26to share because Alex did note that IR
20:28msf is about a global um uh
20:33analysis that today's presentation what
20:36Florence and I are talking about is more
20:39us and North American focused um in our
20:44in sort of what we are looking at so I
20:46just want to be clear sort of the limits
20:49of what we're going to be talking about
20:51okay um mainly what our goal is is to
20:57talk about how anti-trans laws
21:01anti-abortion laws and anti- quote
21:04unquote anti- critical race Theory laws
21:08how they are all connected by underlying
21:12frames of reference uh sort of key
21:15Logics that permeate all three major
21:19legal pushes that we've seen happening
21:22among right-wing folks uh in the US um
21:27and with that I'm going to turn it over
21:29to Florence to maybe give us an idea of
21:33really the anti-trans layout the scene
21:36um for those who bless if you have not
21:40been following it because it is hard to
21:42be a trans person right now and not feel
21:45a lot of Despair up in here but if you
21:48don't know about what's going down
21:50Florence is Gonna Get Us caught
21:55up yeah so you know I think you know the
21:59starting point of of what I want to talk
22:01about is really how do we understand
22:04attacks on trans you care
22:07and something that kind of Alex spoke
22:10about in terms of you know how liberals
22:12see these issues as being kind of like
22:15almost superficial and and to me that
22:18comes also with this view that that
22:21really hatred towards trans people is
22:23again it's a distraction it's uh they
22:26it's isolated hate it's this uh you know
22:28like the the the right-wing just needed
22:31a scapegoat and then decided we'll pick
22:33on trans people because attacking uh you
22:37know it didn't work when we tried to
22:39attack uh same-sex marriage I mean now
22:42that's back on the table but uh and I
22:45kind of want to push back and I'm sure
22:47blue too on on this idea of the the
22:50scape go framing this idea of like trans
22:52as a scapegoat because I don't think it
22:55actually captures anything that's going
22:56on you know we have to ask and answer
22:59questions like why trans people why now
23:02and is it a coincidence that it's coming
23:05at the same times as a huge push back
23:08against abortion but also things like
23:12attempted bans on critical race Theory
23:14which are so broad as to include
23:17anything that teaches the reality of
23:18racism in uh in the US and I think the
23:23answer is well no it's not a coincidence
23:26at all and to kind of get a sense of
23:29that when was first kind of understand
23:31well first what is going on and the
23:34history starts for then I'm it's a very
23:39it's going to be a very kind of like
23:40fuzzy history I'm not going into much of
23:43the details
23:44but if there's a starting point to be
23:47picked at the politics level it might be
23:51it might make sense to pick the sort of
23:53like the bathroom bills uh that were
23:57being pushed through legislatures about
24:01I mean I'm getting close to 10 years I
24:04was think so it's like 2014 2015 is uh
24:10it's it's been a while but but they try
24:12to push that and it didn't work because
24:16it tried to portray trans youth
24:21as as Predators as dangerous and to the
24:25extent that that kind of works when
24:27they're trying to to attack adults that
24:29didn't work as well for kids who are
24:32seen as innocent especially once they
24:35started getting you know poster children
24:37who were largely you know wide very
24:41gender conforming trans girls who
24:44really exuded that wide ideal of
24:48femininity and so that didn't work and
24:50then they the the right one kind of like
24:55took a step back and laid off a little
24:58little bit of children but then a few
25:00years ago it really came back in full
25:03force I think in part because through
25:06the UK the UK got this huge moment of
25:11like anti-trans youare with the uh the
25:15turf movements being very very powerful
25:17there and a lot of it was with us
25:20funding with funding from and
25:23collaboration from people like the
25:24Heritage Foundation from the US and then
25:28that was was once the Bell versus
25:30Tavistock judgment was rendered at trial
25:32level in the UK
25:35essentially uh reproaching the clinic
25:38for offering gendering care to youth uh
25:42that really catalyzed something in the
25:45US despite the fact that that judgment
25:47was overturned on appeal uh it really
25:50started catalyzing something in the US
25:53alongside uh the story of Luna younger
25:58who was this trans girl in Texas whose
26:01father was really vehemently opposed to
26:06uh her being having her gender affirmed
26:09socially and they went to court and he
26:13really drummed up a lot of attention
26:14around it got tweets from you know
26:17Donald Trump Jr and from uh you know a
26:21bunch of of us-based politicians which
26:24led to the now Infamous Texas policy of
26:30investigating affirming trans youth as a
26:34form of child abuse and following in
26:38their tracks there really was a
26:40proliferation of bills or legislative AC
26:44or a executive action that really all
26:46aims at doing the same thing which is
26:49attacking access to gender affirming
26:51care so Medical but also social gender
26:55affirmation as much as possible for
26:57Trans youth under the idea that it's
26:59child abuse that it's mutilation that
27:02it's somehow really harmful to them and
27:07we see really the shift from the
27:09bathroom bills where the bathroom bills
27:11really tried to portray these youths as
27:13a danger but now they've taken this kind
27:17of vulnerable innocent white trute that
27:21was presented by trans movements in
27:24response bathro bills and actually
27:26flipped it around was like but look at
27:29this vulnerable kid they're being harmed
27:32and groomed by trans adults and that's
27:37where the spin started actually really
27:39taking hold and and kind of really
27:41working
27:44and a moment that really helped click
27:48what was happening in terms of the why
27:50now why them like what is going on here
27:54it really helped click for me was when
27:57uh the Idaho state representative Julian
28:00young
28:02said uh when asked about the fact that
28:05she you know was supporting a ban on G
28:08firment care said she said I see this
28:10Con conversation as an extension of the
28:13pro-life argument we're not talking
28:15about the life of the child but we are
28:17talking about the potential to give life
28:20to another
28:21generation and where that really clicked
28:24for me is also not just because wow she
28:27just said out loud like she just laid
28:29out the connection to the pro-life
28:31argument for us but there's also this
28:34this really like to to anyone who's
28:37familiar with that Infamous quote by the
28:39Neo-Nazi David
28:41Lane where he says we must secure the
28:44existence of our people and a future for
28:46white
28:47children that's a very reminiscent like
28:50it's a very similar idea this idea of
28:52like the potential to give life to
28:53another generation and preserving the
28:55future for white children is a very very
28:58similar idea one includes the word white
29:00one doesn't but the ideas are similar
29:03and we can also guess that Julian young
29:05was probably thinking of primarily white
29:08children uh in in her context as well so
29:12we see already the notion of uh the idea
29:17of white supremacy kind of rear its head
29:19but also a rigid understanding of gender
29:23as a form of uh reproductive destiny
29:28right there's this idea
29:31that gender is what determines whether
29:34you're a mother or father and that's
29:37your role in life is to reproduce and
29:40hence we must preserve the potential to
29:42give life right the potential to
29:43reproduce because that's all you should
29:46want in life that is the kind of the
29:48Pinnacle of human achievement in in that
29:51kind of mindset right and hence abortion
29:54is murder and transition is is treason
29:57it's desertion you're a deserter of
30:02uh of of your you know god-given role in
30:06your gender which also will surprise
30:10nobody that the
30:12pathologization of abortion and of
30:16transition is historically very similar
30:18they often use almost the same
30:20justifications like in fraan terms and
30:23things like that around why people would
30:26want that and of course the all
30:27predicated this idea that wanting to
30:29reproduce and uh wanting to stay in your
30:34quote unquote god-given gender is just
30:36the natural thing you should want and
30:38any deviation from that must be
30:41explained so a lot of it is about
30:46naturalizing reproduction naturalizing
30:48birth and to that extent the link to
30:52abortion is not even so much about
30:54actually preventing abortion at the
30:57individual level so much as giving
31:00people this idea that it is their duty
31:04to reproduce there's their duty to have
31:07children and reproduce and it's that
31:11naturalization that trans people are
31:14threat towards right because how can
31:19parenting be in your nature if you can
31:23change your gender at well right how
31:27would that even work the biosexual
31:29argument relies on essentialism and
31:34so and and so they do get at a hint of
31:37Truth when they say that transition is
31:40mutilation but it's not mutilation of
31:42the body it's a mutilation of dominant
31:44gender ideology it is really hitting
31:48back at this idea that how you're born
31:52reprodu in terms of reproductive
31:54capabilities is dictating what kind of
31:57life should live and also what you
31:59should do with your life which is also
32:02of course why in the politics of
32:05respectability response to these bands
32:08there's a lot of emphasis first on
32:09medicine of course because medical power
32:13but also emphasizing things like
32:15adoption and assisted reproductions
32:17instead of
32:19questioning
32:20the you know the kind of imposed desire
32:24for parenting right because there is
32:26this presumption that children that
32:29trans will want children in the future
32:31and in fact should want children in the
32:33future instead of actually questioning
32:35this idea of parenting as the end all
32:38Beall of human life uh so I think I'll
32:43like pause here because I think blue
32:45wants to bring us more into the
32:47discussion on white supremacy but we can
32:50you know Circle back a little bit later
32:52as to what H how that comes into
32:55coalitional thinking and and politic
33:01yeah awesome thank you so much Florence
33:04for sort of laying out for us especially
33:07this idea of like the child and the
33:10white child in particular um and I think
33:13that is where I'm going to sort of move
33:16us uh move us from or or really build
33:20out that we have to keep in mind that
33:24here the the presumption is that the
33:27trans child is a white child um Jules uh
33:33Gil Peterson has a book called histories
33:37of the transgender child that is really
33:40excellent um in which they really
33:43explore this idea of the trans child as
33:47a figure and really question how
33:52children serve as a metaphor under a lot
33:56of different uh rhetorics of supremacism
33:59right um save the children um the
34:03children are being targeted by uh the
34:06secret Jewish cabal right they're being
34:09targeted by the trans people they're
34:11being targeted this idea of the
34:14vulnerable in particular white youth is
34:18really important and there's lots of
34:20data out there that shows that youth of
34:22color are often not seen as children
34:26right um there's a lot of research out
34:28there that looks at the
34:31adultification of Youth of
34:34color so again when we talk about whose
34:38children what children we really need to
34:41be talking about um about things like
34:45race and so here I want to draw on sort
34:49of where white Americans are in general
34:54and and especially because as Alex
34:56pointed out this isn't just about sort
34:59of Fringe white supremacist groups but
35:03about whiteness as a whole um within
35:07this sociopolitical
35:09context there's studies that demonstrate
35:12that white Americans tend to see racism
35:14as a zero sum game that they're
35:18losing this is really important
35:22because under this thinking white folks
35:25see themselves as victims in this winner
35:28take all battle between supposedly
35:31natural groups yes and so um this leads
35:36sort of to a central concern about
35:39social Darwinism that whites as a group
35:42are losing out in comparison to other
35:47groups and this has produced two Central
35:50narratives that are both important to
35:53anti-crt uh it's important to anti-trans
35:56legislation as well as well as to
35:58anti-abortion and the first of these as
36:01I'm sure some of you all know um since
36:04you are here in this conversation is the
36:07great replacement Theory the idea that
36:11white people are going to be placed in a
36:13numerical minority and that this is
36:16going to put them at a disadvantage in
36:19this winner take all
36:21battle and then the second is about
36:24fears about a about sort of the
36:28declining white capacity for
36:30reproduction this is what is usually
36:33termed the white genocide Theory right
36:37now under both of these theories there
36:41is a stark concern not just with
36:44reproduction RIT
36:47large and not just with bolstering up
36:50bioessentialist Notions of gendered and
36:53sex bodies but of particular people
36:57having a
36:59responsibility to the nation state in
37:03reproducing and so here is where claims
37:08about the reproduction of white children
37:13is put front and center and how this is
37:15connected to other arguments that we see
37:19within supremacist thinking for example
37:22anti-crt legislation has often been
37:26framed through the lens of
37:28white children feeling bad when they
37:31learn about the history of race in the
37:34United States people saying that that is
37:37causing harm to children because it is
37:43making them think poorly of
37:46themselves so again this concern over
37:50protecting children is not a a concern
37:53about protecting all children but about
37:55protecting a certain group of children
37:58and their capacity for future acts of
38:01domination about maintaining status and
38:04placement at the top of the hierarchy
38:08that we have in the United
38:11States so I I think that this is is
38:14extremely important because this helps
38:17us understand um how the politics of
38:21race how the politics of immigration are
38:24coming together in our current debates
38:27around who is considered a child and
38:30whose reproduction
38:32matters just as a sort of brief aside if
38:35we go into a broad spectrum history of
38:38things like abortion abortion has not
38:41always been uh the issue that we think
38:45of it as today when abortion was largely
38:48considered a practice focused on women
38:51of
38:52color when it was largely seen as a
38:56practice that is a part of the carceral
38:59system abortion was fine for many of the
39:04people who would now Define themselves
39:05as anti-abortion
39:07today a lot of Scholars have argued that
39:10this was because abortion was seen as a
39:13way of controlling non-white
39:16populations the difficulty came when
39:20these same groups realized that the
39:23people taking most advantage of abortion
39:26services were white women and white
39:29women of a certain
39:31class this concern meant that these
39:35women were having not enough children
39:38and therefore this was leading to a
39:40degradation in the the stock of
39:45American uh citizens and I say this
39:48specifically because of the way that the
39:50nation state when we talk about who is
39:53demanding that these women have children
39:56we're really talking about things at the
39:58nation state level right um Scholars
40:02have talked about the fact that women
40:04played an important role in what what
40:07has been termed manifest Domesticity and
40:10specifically white women's role in this
40:13that having children was a way of
40:17settling the settler Colonial apparatus
40:20as it expanded from the colonies on the
40:23east coast to the West right and so
40:26quite literally reproduction has been at
40:29the heart of the settler Colonial
40:31apparatus as well so what happens when
40:35folks aren't
40:39um when folks are seen as being targeted
40:43for procedures which will make them
40:47nonreproductive again this fear about
40:50the future generations and this is where
40:53we see
40:55anti-crt don't make us feel bad about
40:57being white fits with you should feel
41:01good about being white and that's going
41:03to help you to reproduce right you we
41:06should be producing more white people
41:08because that's producing more of that
41:10good population that we need to lift up
41:13support Etc and trans folks again being
41:17seen as primarily white are then seen as
41:22the primary vector by which reproduction
41:25is being attacked
41:29I want to just briefly pause and see if
41:32Florence did you want to add anything to
41:36that uh not that
41:38dist okay
41:41awesome so a big part of this
41:47um
41:48is that that I think we want to
41:51emphasize is that whether you're talking
41:54about a perspective which is what we
41:57might consider more extreme in terms of
42:01anti- um uh anti-trans rhetoric or
42:06whether it is a more liberal or as Alex
42:09pointed out right the sort of logic of
42:11turfs of supremacism in supposedly left
42:15spaces what we're seeing is the
42:18mainstreaming and normalization of
42:22bioessentialism in order for social
42:26Darwinism to be present for its logic to
42:29make sense we have to rely on the idea
42:33that populations are biologically
42:36distinct and that they're in some sort
42:39of race uh to the top right and the idea
42:43here is that white people if they don't
42:47think in quote unquote race conscious
42:50ways are going to be losing out in this
42:55uh uh
42:58in this battle to the death over group
43:03status and so really if we're trying to
43:06figure out why anti-crt stuff is
43:09happening if we're trying to figure out
43:11abortion banss if we're trying to figure
43:14out anti- um uh anti-trans and
43:18specifically youth focused anti-trans
43:22legislation really what we have to be
43:24looking at is claim seems that again
43:28people have a
43:30biological and social imperative to
43:35reproduce not just children but what
43:38children represent which is things like
43:41white
43:42Futurity that white people will continue
43:45to exist and I should note when I say
43:48this I don't mean necessarily white
43:50children in that biological sense but in
43:54a but as a group who receive
43:57benefits status and
44:00stratification as the top of the racial
44:04hierarchy within the United
44:07States so with
44:10that um obviously we can go into sort of
44:15the politics more broadly in terms of
44:18the history of things like lynching and
44:20reproductive control that are a part of
44:24um the history of of the United States
44:28and certainly a part of the conversation
44:31on
44:33supremacism but what I really want to uh
44:37to sort of underline here is that from
44:41everything from right-wing concerns over
44:44cucks and soy boys and liberal softies
44:50claims that America is
44:53feminizing because it's no longer rugged
44:56and M masculine these concerns yes are
45:00concerns about gender but they are
45:02concerns that the
45:05that the body the body of the nation is
45:11under attack that it is being
45:13infiltrated and for any of y'all who
45:15study supremacist movements this should
45:18sound like I mean I wouldn't even call
45:20it a dog whistle um a pretty loud CL s
45:24for
45:27mobilizing
45:29people in defense
45:32of
45:34stratification and I want to sort of end
45:37at least my section with a description
45:41that I think is really helpful here uh
45:44given by Corey Robin who talks about uh
45:47in his book The reactionary mind sort of
45:49the nature of conservatism because he
45:52says
45:53conservatism um is not simply a set of
45:56ideas
45:58ologies if we start thinking about it as
46:01if you're
46:02anti-abortion then you are progressive
46:04we're gonna miss a lot right as Alex has
46:08already said um there are clear
46:10instances in which sometimes leftist
46:13folks are out here using very
46:16conservative logic right the first
46:18suffer a jets in the US were out here
46:21being like how can we not have the vote
46:24when you gave the vote to black men
46:28right not a good
46:30look that kind of logic is part of what
46:34Robin says is really what we need to
46:36track that is what is at the root and
46:40Robin says it's not about individual
46:42issues but about the desire to
46:46naturalize and reinforce
46:50stratification how can we move through
46:53the world in a way that makes the
46:55unequal distri distribution of resources
46:59status Etc natural and normal and we're
47:04going to see that manifest in different
47:06ways during different historical periods
47:09but that is the linkage that at least
47:12Robin makes the argument is something
47:14that tracks across supremacist
47:17manifestations RIT
47:19large so with that I'm going to briefly
47:23turn it over uh Florence if you want to
47:26to wrap us up with anything else um
47:29please feel free and then I think we're
47:31ready for
47:33questions yeah so you know time back to
47:37you know kind of circling back to the
47:40ear to the beginning where I was like
47:42you know how do we understand tax on
47:43Trend you care
47:45and and and in here I think I want to
47:48you know offer some thoughts on like you
47:51know what does it mean to make this
47:55argument that it's all connected
47:57what does it change for
48:00organizing and I think the first thing
48:03is if all these forms of repression are
48:08tied together are facets of an
48:13overarching white supremacist agenda
48:16that is predicated on sexism trans
48:22misogyny
48:23transphobia then we need to take that
48:26into count in developing practices of
48:29solidarity uh
48:31because well if we don't it's going to
48:34blow up in people's faces and what we
48:38are noticing is that
48:39unfortunately at the kind of bigger
48:42level CIS feminists aren't showing up
48:45for Trans people right there are CIS
48:49feminists who are showing up there are
48:50CIS feminist groups are showing up but
48:52kind of the feminist establishment the
48:54kind of bigger more power ful mainstream
48:57feminist organizations and feminist
48:59voices are by and large not showing up
49:03on the contrary uh you see things like
49:06the New York Times which you know
49:09obviously not the largest feminist
49:12credentials but has some writers that
49:14are purporting to be big feminists that
49:18are really buying into that anti-trend
49:22narrative right and that questioning of
49:24trans care and often times emphasize ing
49:27the same things like reproduction and
49:29infertility and it has very real
49:32ramifications we seeing it in the UK
49:36where a lot of the
49:38groups that uh turfs relied on to help
49:43them attack trans youare now want to
49:45attack abortion using the same logic and
49:49trans people sounded the alarm on that
49:51really early on saying hey they're
49:52coming after like gillick which is uh
49:56the case that
49:59allowed abortion for adolescence U and
50:03it's also what allows you to consent to
50:06Medical Care in kind of all settings and
50:10we're like you know you remember this
50:12president was actually about access to
50:14abortion so if you're if if they're
50:17honing in on that that's going to have
50:19ramifications for Reproductive Health
50:23this is not an isolated thing uh but you
50:27know there was much more investment in
50:30actually
50:32attacking access to transfu care
50:35and when we
50:38analyze analyze things together in fact
50:41doing that analysis showing how
50:44different forms of repression are linked
50:45together is really important critical to
50:49building coalitional politic that really
50:52strives for solidarity cross difference
50:55because
50:57and and this is me pulling my kind of
50:58like cynical real politic hat but the
51:02reality is like if you don't show people
51:05why they should why why attacks on you
51:09actually also pertain to them they're
51:12not GNA show up even if they like care
51:15in theory a lot of the time this just an
51:18emotional investment thing and you know
51:20as as Alex said we're all burnt out as
51:22well so there's so at times it's also
51:25understandable that people are Focus
51:26sing your energies but uh by
51:29highlighting these connections we can
51:32you know perhaps bring people together
51:36more and also establish a more a
51:39stronger common uh kind of uh grounds on
51:44which to fight back and defend ourselves
51:46and so uh I do hope
51:50that we continue having more and more of
51:53those conversations because that's
51:55something that in trans can seef sin as
51:59oftentimes missing is not really having
52:03these discussions about how things are
52:06connected uh and so you know and it also
52:10of course goes always in uh notably you
52:14know white TR people have not always
52:16been the best quite the contrary at
52:19showing up you know when it came to
52:22racism things like that especially when
52:24it comes to uh the push
52:27towards to kind of turn towards the
52:29criminal law as a solution for
52:32transphobia which as we know criminal
52:36law not not a great thing in general I
52:40mean I say that as I say that as
52:42somebody who's gonna be teaching it next
52:44fall and
52:46uh uh yeah not not not great uh and so
52:51yeah okay so now now I don't have any
52:54you know fun and and and an interesting
52:57sentence to end on so I'll I'll uh throw
53:00that back out to Blue if you if you have
53:03a good quote
53:05to okay
53:08uh I mean I think
53:11that that here the the goal of our
53:15analysis today is not just to be like
53:17look it's all [ __ ] up and it's all
53:20[ __ ] up together but to be like we all
53:23have our points of Leverage right um
53:27Audrey Lord again I always like to pull
53:30on the folks who came before because we
53:33don't have to reinvent the wheel every
53:35time um Audrey Lord talks about
53:38organizing through the politics of
53:40difference and this was something that
53:42Florence a term that Florence used
53:44before right um like what does it mean
53:48to not require us all to be the same or
53:52to be in the same experiences in order
53:55to mobile
53:57and I think that developing an an
54:00analysis which helps us to track forms
54:04of
54:05supremacism both within and without our
54:08movements helps us to address how
54:14uh it helps us to pin
54:17down supremacism even as that
54:20supremacism
54:23transforms even when we see things like
54:26bathroom bills turning
54:29into um uh questions of uh trans youth
54:34Health right it helps us to see how
54:39things like for example during that same
54:42push for anti-b bills um there's a a
54:46good book called black lives and
54:48bathrooms racial and gendered reactions
54:51to minority rights movements with uh Jay
54:54somaru and Eric Anthony grman where they
54:57talk about how um white folks thought of
55:03the trans people in the bathrooms as
55:05being black and particularly being
55:10black masculine folks in women's
55:13restrooms right and as Florence pointed
55:17out that didn't catch on enough to
55:20effectively mobilize a large group of
55:23people but
55:27by seeing how things like race were a
55:29part of that attack as well we can see
55:32these processes both of transformation
55:35and
55:38refinement if we only focus on
55:41individual instances we only focus on
55:45the most urgent or pressing matter right
55:48in front of us one we have the tendency
55:52to rely on the same
55:54Logics right the same forms of
55:56domination oh hey you could always adopt
56:00right we're going to just keep using
56:01children logic as a sort of stand in or
56:06we can ask
56:07ourselves does this Frame even serve us
56:12and what are alternative frames that
56:14people have been using deploying living
56:17for a long time right um and so yeah I
56:22just want to encourage folks to think of
56:24this analysis not in terms of everything
56:27is [ __ ] up but in terms of knowing how
56:32things are [ __ ] up together means that
56:35we all have our own location where we
56:38can be pressing on this issue from all
56:41sides we all have a stake in the outcome
56:45um
56:48of a rhetoric sounds too abstract in the
56:54consequences of what is going on and and
56:57as Alex earlier talked about um
56:59discussing things as a culture War can
57:02sometimes really downplay that this is a
57:05this is a question for many of us about
57:08life and death um and the this is a
57:11question of
57:12material
57:14struggle um as a black Trans person
57:18seeing that North Carolina which is
57:20where I am is now trying to pass a
57:23parent uh parents right to education
57:27bill um outlawing discussing sexuality
57:30and gender uh for
57:33kids is saying that talking about my
57:36life is dangerous to
57:40children and as a black person seeing
57:43stuff like AP African-American education
57:46being gutted
57:48changed uh or completely
57:51excluded says that I am quite literally
57:55being written out
57:57of the book of the nation state right um
58:01and maybe that's a good thing I don't
58:02know sometimes the anarchist do me is
58:04like yeah freedom but like what it means
58:07is certainly a higher level of danger
58:11right um and what do we do with and for
58:14each other I think is something that
58:17we're going to have to wrestle with
58:18together I I think I briefly saw a
58:20question about like what does it look
58:21like to sustain and maybe that's a place
58:24for us to start with our
58:26Q&A um it's great to have a good
58:30analysis but it doesn't mean much if
58:34we're
58:35not doing something with it and if it's
58:38not a livable
58:42practice so I'm GNA turn it over to our
58:47moderator hook us up tell us what's good
58:51awesome thank you so much um to all of
58:53you for for all of your remarks they
58:56really kind of you know really situate
59:00us and and give us a way to
59:02conceptualize all of this um before we
59:04go into the Q&A I wanted to take some
59:06time to thank our funders and
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59:27to make sure we we thank them for that
59:29um and so yeah we'll go ahead and kick
59:32off the Q&A um we're going to invite
59:35people to ask your questions via the
59:38chat um you can also if you would rather
59:41ask directly you can use the the digital
59:44hand raise uh feature that is located in
59:47the reactions function um to speak and
59:50uh we will just go ahead and open it up
59:53for that um I believe there is a
59:57question in the chat that we can start
59:58with um if that's okay I know um blue
1:00:01you said you saw it um I can I can read
1:00:04this this one also um it says it's from
1:00:07Adrian M Moro or Murillo um and they
1:00:12they say I think we need to counter the
1:00:13save the children messaging with respect
1:00:16the children respect their right to be
1:00:18who they want to be respect their
1:00:20diversity and
1:00:21individuality um respect their
1:00:24intelligence and awareness respect their
1:00:27idealism as a call back to sanity in
1:00:29these times of irrational extremism and
1:00:32so they say that their question is can
1:00:34we sustain that kind of campaign that
1:00:36covers all youth bipo queer trans and
1:00:44white you want to go
1:00:47or um you know what I'm gonna let you uh
1:00:50take a take a a stab at that and I'll go
1:00:54second so
1:00:56so I'll start with the first first kind
1:01:00of well I guess it's technically more of
1:01:03a common question but actually it's like
1:01:05really more of a question framed as a
1:01:07comment uh so the respecting respected
1:01:10children for of of Sav the children I
1:01:12think brings up like really interesting
1:01:14things about uh images of childhood and
1:01:17there is this uh those work that's been
1:01:20done on this idea of like the Dian
1:01:23versus the apollonian images of
1:01:24childhood and this idea of of children
1:01:27as
1:01:28dangerous as this kind of like idea that
1:01:32used to be like very very popular and
1:01:35moving towards this idea of children as
1:01:38really sort of uh innocent and then
1:01:42moving towards an idea perhaps a little
1:01:44bit more of uh children as adults and
1:01:46waiting which has its own issues because
1:01:50I mean my tendency in my work when I
1:01:52working children is really seeing like
1:01:55children as persons in the here and now
1:01:58uh persons that are dependent in many
1:02:00ways and thus must be approach as such
1:02:03but still as fully blown persons and not
1:02:07just adults and waiting and just as
1:02:09people who needs who need to be
1:02:11considered the here
1:02:13now but then the question is well do are
1:02:18we sufficiently far along this idea of
1:02:24children as
1:02:27persons to actually make a message like
1:02:31respected children work
1:02:33and I don't think so um that's the
1:02:37unfortunate kind of answer like there is
1:02:40the like parenting is still essentially
1:02:44fascism today uh your kind of average
1:02:48kind of mainstream parenting is very
1:02:52very kind of dogmatic very violent in
1:02:55many ways I still think that a big part
1:02:58of why people act really shitty as
1:03:01adults is because we've all been
1:03:03traumatized as children because we're
1:03:05treated as what it means to be treated
1:03:07as children is is really poorly right uh
1:03:12you know like the the [ __ ] that's
1:03:14normalized I mean I remember as a kid
1:03:15where like you know getting like
1:03:18assaulted was just considered normal
1:03:22right like in schools and stuff and of
1:03:24course that makes people that aren't
1:03:27like that that that brings its trauma
1:03:29and if you don't work through that
1:03:31trauma then you know you don't
1:03:33necessarily treat people right but then
1:03:34a lot of people come to adulthood with
1:03:36that idea of like well I had to go
1:03:38through this and I turned out fine which
1:03:40I
1:03:41mean did you turn out fine if you're
1:03:43thing no way but you know but but
1:03:48there's this idea of like I have to go
1:03:49through this and now you have to go
1:03:51through this and so that's kind of the
1:03:53first part of the answer is like well I
1:03:55think we're still too much stuck in this
1:03:56idea of like children as in need of of
1:04:00protection and in need of really
1:04:02paternalism but also ironically this
1:04:04idea of protection is quite violent in
1:04:06many ways uh so that's the kind of first
1:04:10part and the second part is is
1:04:12sustaining that kind of campaign covers
1:04:14all youth well the second part of the qu
1:04:17of of my answer here is that um to the
1:04:21extent that this idea of the child is
1:04:23vulnerable which is the aonian idea uh
1:04:26of childhood has kind of Taken
1:04:29mainstream hold it's one that's still
1:04:33not applied to Children of color and
1:04:36especially black children black children
1:04:38are still largely being seen under a
1:04:41dionan lens where they are seen as
1:04:44dangerous and specifically dangerous to
1:04:47the white children who are seen under a
1:04:49Napoleon lands uh so that creates
1:04:52another barrier to this kind of of
1:04:55campaign
1:04:56and which you know ties directly to what
1:04:59blue said about the
1:05:01adultification uh of youths I think uh
1:05:04in in many ways the Dian model and
1:05:08vision of childhood is in part morphing
1:05:11to include a lot of idul ification uh
1:05:13today as a way of justifying this
1:05:17disparity in keeping a dionan view for
1:05:22children of color and especially black
1:05:24children and keeping the abalan model
1:05:27for white children so in this regard I
1:05:33wish that we could counter it with
1:05:36respect to children I think that's
1:05:39really compelling but I don't think it's
1:05:42going to be compelling as a kind of
1:05:45mainstream like argument
1:05:56yeah I just um going off that uh yes I'm
1:06:01right there with Florence in terms of
1:06:02being like uh no I don't I don't know if
1:06:05that's gonna do it I do think that we
1:06:08really need to be talking about
1:06:11autonomy
1:06:13and that a big part of what I'm hearing
1:06:17when you say respect the children is a
1:06:20movement that
1:06:22recognizes that children's autonomy is
1:06:26severely infringed
1:06:29on and that with that infringing
1:06:34comes a lot of
1:06:37projection right um a lot
1:06:41of putting parents wishes and desires a
1:06:45lot of ignoring what children have to
1:06:48say or what they want for their own
1:06:51bodies because that is seen as
1:06:55dangerous subversive parents need to
1:06:58bring their kids in line um this is also
1:07:03tied to a lot of religious stuff right
1:07:05so if we actually look at um Christian
1:07:09supremacism and looking at like the idea
1:07:11of bringing up Good Children is also
1:07:14about disciplining them away from
1:07:17sinfulness right um so Frameworks that
1:07:21say you should trust yourself don't
1:07:24resonate within those kinds of of
1:07:27Frameworks
1:07:29so I think that to your
1:07:33point would a move to address or to
1:07:38strengthen the autonomy of children be
1:07:42helpful
1:07:46yes is there a movement or could it be
1:07:49like a movement that says respect
1:07:52children would that be effective
1:07:55no and I think for many of the reasons
1:07:57that Florence already addressed which is
1:07:59that children are not a homogeneous
1:08:02group and their autonomy is infringed on
1:08:06in different
1:08:07ways so when black children are
1:08:25did how their autonomy is being
1:08:28infringed if we were to take it away
1:08:30from children and just think feminism
1:08:32more generally right white women in say
1:08:35second wave feminism were like plea like
1:08:38we need to get out of the house we have
1:08:41been privatized right like we have been
1:08:43pushed out of the public sphere that was
1:08:46not how black women felt that their
1:08:48autonomy was best going to be served
1:08:50because they were out in the workforce
1:08:52doing the
1:08:53[ __ ] because
1:08:56that was the nature of their
1:08:58relationship with white supremacy and
1:09:00misogyny right now does that mean that
1:09:03those white women shouldn't be able to
1:09:05be free from being paternal lied and
1:09:09isolated no
1:09:11but it means that if we want an
1:09:13effective Movement we need to see how
1:09:16those things are different if we're
1:09:18going to get us towards increase the
1:09:20autonomy of children r
1:09:24large there was also a big difficulty in
1:09:28in arguing for for VI's autonomy uh that
1:09:31I that unfortunately get to live a
1:09:34little bit too much for my taste uh
1:09:36because I write papers about how we
1:09:38should give more autonomy for children
1:09:40and we should recognize children's
1:09:41capacity to consent to care and stuff
1:09:43like that uh which means that uh and of
1:09:46course I partly did this to myself which
1:09:48is to say I set up an app that tells me
1:09:51when my name is mentioned on Twitter and
1:09:54it's is it self harm partly is it also a
1:09:58great way of keeping track of what's
1:10:00being said and when I'm going to be part
1:10:02of like a hyers spent campaign also
1:10:05serves as a great heads up um but uh one
1:10:10thing I do notice a lot is uh people
1:10:13repeatedly
1:10:15mentioning my work on you know arguing
1:10:18for for you capacity to consent to
1:10:21Medical Care and then
1:10:24essentially I either suggesting or
1:10:26directly claiming that that makes me a
1:10:27pedophile and that I have an ulterior
1:10:29motive on that which first of all
1:10:33clearly I
1:10:35mean just completely missing the point
1:10:39as to what the issue of consent how it
1:10:42works out here and the fact that medical
1:10:44consent first of all not at all the same
1:10:45thing but but also the age difference
1:10:49does does know what what's the age
1:10:51what's the equivalent to the age
1:10:53difference and exploitation in medic
1:10:55care you know it's it's not the same at
1:10:57all but regardless if you make these
1:11:01kinds of arguments you're going to be
1:11:03accused of being a pedophile and right
1:11:04now they already love to call everybody
1:11:06groomers and in fact they do so
1:11:10because they're because people are
1:11:12arguing for you to be able to have that
1:11:16decision about themselves right and so
1:11:19in many ways respect the
1:11:22children that might you know convince
1:11:24people are already convinced but for
1:11:26people who are opposed to that that
1:11:29proves their point right uh it it just
1:11:33kind of
1:11:35confirms their preconceived idea of why
1:11:38people are arguing for that which is
1:11:40with alterior motives uh and so I think
1:11:43that's also one of the unfortunate Des
1:11:46uh unfortunate um downsides of doing
1:11:52that kind of work and I should note that
1:11:54this also just to go along with because
1:11:57Alex was talking about things like
1:11:58comprehensive sex ed right and something
1:12:01that continues to be an issue is that
1:12:06when we do sex ed so much of it is like
1:12:08avoid like don't get an
1:12:11S and die right like don't get pregnant
1:12:16um and it's not about pleasure or about
1:12:19enjoyment or about like again consent
1:12:23because the idea of saying hey kids you
1:12:26are doing these
1:12:28things and there are ways to do them
1:12:31safely and
1:12:34pleasurably becomes like people are fine
1:12:37with it
1:12:38preventing
1:12:40disease but saying that we could be
1:12:43having a better Collective sexual
1:12:46culture saying that pleasure is
1:12:50important becomes again immediately a
1:12:52sight
1:12:54for well we need to protect
1:12:57children yeah this is also a huge
1:13:00difference that we have in in Canada and
1:13:02the US which is uh so you know in Canada
1:13:07what is known as Romeo and Juliet laws
1:13:10in the US are Baseline and so uh in
1:13:16Canada youth are able to consent to sex
1:13:20as young as 12 so long as the age
1:13:23difference is small and so there is this
1:13:26idea that that you can have a positive
1:13:30sexual life so long as it's not in a
1:13:33large age gap which brings up issues of
1:13:36abuse of power and exploitation and you
1:13:40know all sorts of of awful stuff and I
1:13:43think what seems to you know have become
1:13:48kind of like yeah that's just how things
1:13:50are in Canada where this is idea of like
1:13:53yeah kids have sex with it's that's that
1:13:56that's what happens it just it's just
1:13:58what it is and that's fine and we just
1:14:01must ensure that one it's safe and to
1:14:04it's as pleasurable as possible but the
1:14:08people that are arguing against gender
1:14:10firing care none of them want kids to be
1:14:12having sex right none of them want 16
1:14:15year olds to be having sex none of want
1:14:1817 year olds to having sex I'm sure
1:14:19they'd be happy if their uh if their
1:14:22children didn't have sex until 25 uh
1:14:24well actually that's probably not true
1:14:26because they want them to start pumping
1:14:27out babies but uh but you know there's
1:14:31this but but but there's married in a
1:14:34good heterosexual relationship I know
1:14:37but only married but but you know the
1:14:40thing is that Republicans are very happy
1:14:42with marriage as young as like 14
1:14:46but oh can I interject here I was just
1:14:51about to say yes please Adrian go ahead
1:14:53uh because I want to expand on this I
1:14:55mean I hear everybody's doubts and
1:14:58hesitations and fears but my question is
1:15:01if not us who if not now when I think
1:15:06that what I I'm there's other points to
1:15:09make and I agree the comprehensive SE
1:15:11respect their right to comprehensive sex
1:15:14H respect their Humanity as moral equals
1:15:17and respect their Brave vulnerability
1:15:19for what it teaches us adults about how
1:15:21numb we have become respect their dreams
1:15:24as critical Counterpoint to the glut of
1:15:27dystopian stories sweeping this culture
1:15:30all of that stuff I did this as an email
1:15:34message to I'm in North Idaho to local
1:15:36friends and allies and one of them was a
1:15:40a friend of mine who is the president of
1:15:42the high school chapter of our local
1:15:44human rights task force and he asked me
1:15:46to come to speak to their Club about
1:15:48this and I also had my fears and doubts
1:15:51you know and I and I said yes but then
1:15:55thought about it and but I ran into him
1:15:57and his father recently and expressed
1:15:59that and he said don't worry it's you
1:16:01know we got your back come and speak to
1:16:03us but my intention is to help Mentor
1:16:06Youth to be organized to take the ball
1:16:10and run with this idea to organize
1:16:12around it and for us adults to just be
1:16:15supportive and mentors and tutors and
1:16:18that kind of thing we can't let our fear
1:16:21slow us down I'm an older person baby
1:16:24boomer age but I I'm chano queer and
1:16:27I've I've been a social services for
1:16:29many years including at one point I was
1:16:32youth coordinator for the gay and
1:16:33lesbian community service center in
1:16:35Hollywood doing straet Outreach to the
1:16:38thousands of gay runaway youth queer
1:16:40kids coming into Hollywood every day and
1:16:44so I just I made that conviction I got
1:16:47the conviction that we need to change
1:16:49the system instead of putting out fires
1:16:52and working with kids on the street like
1:16:54we do
1:16:55and I came of age during a youth empow
1:16:58youth empowered movement in the 60s and
1:17:0270s and so we need to help youth be
1:17:05empowered to start organizing for their
1:17:07own rights and demand their own respect
1:17:10and if it's not us who's who will do it
1:17:13and if it's not now when will we do it
1:17:15and I respect the hesitations believe me
1:17:18I live with the Fe I'm in North iido I
1:17:20live with that fear all the time but my
1:17:23anger has to be stronger than my
1:17:26fear yeah I just one thank you Adrien
1:17:31for
1:17:33for pushing for and also just
1:17:35articulating that youth have a right to
1:17:39autonomy right um over themselves um and
1:17:44their spaces I think for me I I should
1:17:48say my answer is
1:17:52not like don't do this
1:17:55rather
1:17:57that when I think about a slogan like
1:18:01respect children right is that is that
1:18:08where like what what does that
1:18:11potentially do to homogenize all of
1:18:14those amazing voices right um or to
1:18:19centralize those voices under the folks
1:18:23that are going to have the most
1:18:25resources status Etc and so really my
1:18:29thing here is is more of a let's do it
1:18:34and let's do it with the
1:18:37consideration that we want to avoid
1:18:41reproducing those same uh
1:18:45uh practices of say anti-blackness Etc
1:18:49right so yeah I just want to put out
1:18:51there that that when I say I'm hesitant
1:18:53when I say I'm like
1:18:56is that that framework of sort of a
1:18:58unified representation of Youth to me
1:19:02isn't going to be the thing what it
1:19:04sounds like you're focusing on is the
1:19:07kind of Grassroots empowerment that I
1:19:10think helps to avoid some of those
1:19:12problems of
1:19:13homogenization that folks like Florence
1:19:16and I
1:19:18um we're trying to to name or to pull
1:19:22out I hear you yeah and I you know also
1:19:27agree because I mean I'm still arguing
1:19:29for youth autonomy right like I'm I'm
1:19:31not stopping I hav't stopped and in fact
1:19:34it's becoming a bigger and bigger part
1:19:37of my scholarship as time goes on
1:19:38because you know getting in very
1:19:42unfortunate unfortunately increasingly
1:19:45relevant
1:19:47uh but I think like especially like you
1:19:50know like my fears around respect
1:19:52children especially like is part as a
1:19:55slogan around like trans Ute and and and
1:19:59fighting back in this particular Arena
1:20:02and my feelings would be kind of
1:20:04different in uh sort of different
1:20:07context and I think sing back to bl's
1:20:11concerns one of the issues here is that
1:20:14for specifically for like around band on
1:20:17trans you care is that there's
1:20:20relatively little trans voices there
1:20:23because there very rightfully scared as
1:20:26[ __ ] uh they get an insane amount of
1:20:30harassment and uh you know and both just
1:20:35in kind of
1:20:37like daytoday life but then on top of
1:20:40that you have to once you get into
1:20:42politics you have to deal with you
1:20:45know the the amount the amount of
1:20:48harassment of death threat and stuff
1:20:50like that is just you
1:20:52know almost if impossible to bear and so
1:20:57understandably a lot of people don't do
1:20:59that I mean even in easier times
1:21:04around kind of like 2015 2016 I knew a
1:21:08number of uh of kids
1:21:11in where I was from in Quebec that were
1:21:15really active in politics and pushing
1:21:19for access to gender Market changes in
1:21:22the province for minors and
1:21:25they've all stopped activism because
1:21:27they just couldn't take it anymore all
1:21:29the attention and all the stuff and we
1:21:31even had to go back and scrub their name
1:21:35off the internet and get uh newspapers
1:21:38to change to remove their name and
1:21:40everything which was
1:21:43thankfully much easier back then uh just
1:21:46in terms of convincing journalists and
1:21:48stuff like that uh but yeah I mean
1:21:51there's and and then you know what does
1:21:54it mean to get a slogan like respect
1:21:58children
1:21:59when you know we're only you know we're
1:22:04trying to represent their perspectives
1:22:06as much as we can but they're not the
1:22:10main ones being involved in those fights
1:22:15they're you know even if you look at uh
1:22:20legislative
1:22:21hearings there are trans you there but
1:22:24there not the majority of people that
1:22:26are speaking out against these
1:22:28laws uh yes in part because they're not
1:22:31being given that voice but also in part
1:22:34because it's it's just a lot I mean even
1:22:37for adults it's a lot and uh also I mean
1:22:43one of the thing is a lot of the adults
1:22:45who do that who do that stuff do it as
1:22:48more or less of a full-time job uh
1:22:52children can do that they're they have
1:22:54to go to school they have to you know do
1:22:57all of that other stuff as which is a
1:22:59full-time job sometimes even more and
1:23:03then they have to do their activism
1:23:06which are not being paid for uh there is
1:23:10there is a lot of that difficulty I
1:23:12think uh in terms of the organizing and
1:23:16then that's where I think there's also
1:23:19part of my hesitancy to like respect the
1:23:21children is like it ends up being making
1:23:24a slow kind
1:23:26of essentially adults making a slogan
1:23:29for for for children which would be very
1:23:31different in say uh the context you're
1:23:34speaking of doing kind of Grassroots
1:23:37work uh and and especially Grassroots
1:23:41work that's uh that seems to be more
1:23:45local uh than a lot of this the the kind
1:23:49of fights that are happening right now
1:23:51legislatively around transs
1:23:55thank you thank you for those remarks
1:23:57and for that question Adrian I'm going
1:23:59to go ahead to Bianca who has their hand
1:24:02up as well thanks so much for everyone
1:24:05who's here and sharing uh one of the
1:24:07things as a youth worker and educator
1:24:08that I've learned uh specifically as a
1:24:10sex educator that I want to invite us to
1:24:13consider uh when we talk about
1:24:15mentorship this was a really core
1:24:17component of my training where people
1:24:19were like find mentors find mentors but
1:24:21what I've learned is that I need youth
1:24:23mentors don't just need Elders who are
1:24:25mentors or peers who are mentors and I
1:24:28want to invite us to remember and recall
1:24:30that young people organized on Snapchat
1:24:32a na Nationwide walk out around gun
1:24:35violence they really don't need us uh as
1:24:39adults um with power over them doing
1:24:43something or telling them what to do I
1:24:44believe young people already know what's
1:24:47needed they need us to show up uh in
1:24:50support of them as leaders and uh and it
1:24:53requires us to do a collaborative
1:24:55approach not one where we're considered
1:24:58the ones with all the answers um and
1:25:00that requires us to shift that power
1:25:03that we have as adults in learning
1:25:05spaces and and collaborative spaces it's
1:25:08hard but it also is a different way of
1:25:11connecting with young people that I
1:25:13found is really um fulfilling in a way
1:25:17that my training never invit us invited
1:25:19me to consider until I was in my 40s um
1:25:24I had I wanted to offer a question I
1:25:25know we probably don't have to get to it
1:25:27now but I was wondering to dovetail into
1:25:31uh you know this conversation about
1:25:33young people I'd love to hear our
1:25:35presenters talk a little bit about the
1:25:37way that ableism and disability shows up
1:25:40and the work that you do because as a
1:25:43disabled person working with disability
1:25:44community and disabled youth nobody
1:25:46wants disabled youth procreating or
1:25:48having more disabled children right so
1:25:50here's an area where disabled people are
1:25:54not welcomed into a conversation about
1:25:56elective abortion and if they are
1:25:58they're being used for white right-wing
1:26:01uh you know arguments so I'd love to
1:26:04hear the ways that ableism show up um or
1:26:07informs the work that you do and I'll
1:26:09put that in the chat if it's not time
1:26:11for that question yet thank
1:26:13you yeah I'd be happy to to respond to
1:26:17that um this was something that I was
1:26:20thinking about sharing um because this
1:26:23also uh this recently was a statement by
1:26:27representative Eastman uh of
1:26:30Alaska um who said that it's a benefit
1:26:32to society when children who are victims
1:26:35of abuse die because quote there aren't
1:26:38needs for government services over the
1:26:41course of that child's
1:26:43life um and so this is a straight up
1:26:48statement from a US
1:26:51Representative um that really speaks to
1:26:54Bianca what you're talking about around
1:26:56disability and and CH the child right
1:26:59that we imagine and
1:27:02procreation right um this idea of
1:27:06reproduction and whose reproduction is
1:27:10desirable right um I think with both
1:27:16Florence and I and I'll speak more for
1:27:19for
1:27:20myself
1:27:22that in my work I also see disability
1:27:26overlapping with race in the way that
1:27:30race is constructed through the lens of
1:27:34disability um some of the first mental
1:27:36disorders categorized in the United
1:27:39States were things like draped de Mania
1:27:42um which was a disease it was described
1:27:46as a disease in which
1:27:48slaves um uh wanted to be
1:27:52free and this was described as a mental
1:27:55disorder because you it had to it
1:27:58clearly had to be a mental uh deficit if
1:28:01you didn't want to remain under the
1:28:04system of slavery right um and so the
1:28:09the way that we construct
1:28:12disability
1:28:14um is highly racialized and so I just I
1:28:17first want to note that those things um
1:28:20have this
1:28:21overlapping history um
1:28:25um I think that again from conversations
1:28:30I've had with other Scholars I'm a
1:28:32disabled scholar um so having those
1:28:35conversations with other people um I'm a
1:28:39disabled scholar but I'm not a scholar
1:28:40of disability I think that's important
1:28:43to clarify I have the experiences but I
1:28:46don't um but I don't necessarily have
1:28:50the full breadth of expertise um to
1:28:53speak fully to your question but part of
1:28:56what um a part of what disability
1:28:59studies Scholars have discussed is the
1:29:03infantilization of adults with
1:29:06disabilities right and the assumption
1:29:09that they are Perpetual children and
1:29:11therefore never able to make choices
1:29:14about their own
1:29:16reproduction right um and so to
1:29:21me this goes along with what other
1:29:23Scholars like Ryan cartright have uh
1:29:26looked into which is that the cleansing
1:29:31of American populations and I say this
1:29:34very specifically the the eugenic
1:29:37practices um around race many of which
1:29:40were started with the application to
1:29:43like rural white folks who were deemed
1:29:47more likely to be disabled
1:29:49intellectually disabled physically
1:29:52disabled that they needed to be
1:29:54controlled um and that their
1:29:56disabilities LED them to deviant family
1:29:59Styles think about how we depict
1:30:04disability historically like in horror
1:30:07films right uh the the depiction of the
1:30:10sort of rural Backwoods
1:30:12inbred
1:30:14family all of that really plays on this
1:30:17idea that disabled folks are children
1:30:21and therefore aren't autonomous
1:30:24um if you articulate that you have some
1:30:28disability that documentation can then
1:30:31be used against you right in order to
1:30:34infantilize you
1:30:37um not to be the queer in the room but
1:30:41like the free Britney stuff right like
1:30:44oh Britney Spears having children like
1:30:47is bad because look at her she's not fit
1:30:51right and this question of fitness
1:30:54is really important to the work that
1:30:57Florence and and I have looked at right
1:31:00because it's not just about producing
1:31:02white
1:31:04children they
1:31:06want a particular kind of white
1:31:11child early eugenesis in the United
1:31:16States believed that white Americans
1:31:20were different than European Americans
1:31:23because they had gone through the
1:31:25environmental selection pressures of the
1:31:28frontier and that that made them more
1:31:30rugged and better
1:31:36stock that's the kind of better stock
1:31:39that is being pushed for right it's not
1:31:44disabled white
1:31:46folks right it is about creating self uh
1:31:51contained
1:31:53independent rugged individualism
1:31:56capitalist producing
1:31:59labors right um everyone else is
1:32:02considered Surplus population and this
1:32:04is a term that folks like um Ruth Wilson
1:32:09Gilmore right like explores when talking
1:32:11about prisons and other forms of social
1:32:14death so yeah I I want to say it is not
1:32:20something that I focus on in my
1:32:23particular work but it is something that
1:32:26I am thinking about and have reflected
1:32:30on because of its overlapping nature
1:32:33with a lot of the areas that I do
1:32:37study yeah I want to just add on this um
1:32:42you know blue brought up Eugenics and
1:32:46um supremacism around disability is one
1:32:50of the you know long longest standing
1:32:54most core most um so such a deeply
1:32:59mainstream part of society that it's not
1:33:01it's not even recognized as such
1:33:05ableism um is just kind of inherent to
1:33:09how to how most of our societal
1:33:12structures function and what is
1:33:16considered acceptable culture um so this
1:33:20is definitely something that has come up
1:33:24in our work it's of course intertwined
1:33:27you know with with bodily autonomy with
1:33:30reproductive autonomy legacies of forced
1:33:35sterilization um the same as blue
1:33:37pointed out things that used against
1:33:40disabled people um that are also used
1:33:43against women of color and immigrant
1:33:45women and trans people and and that they
1:33:50practice a lot of these kinds of
1:33:52supremacist Tech techniques on people
1:33:55with disabilities as a vulnerable
1:33:58population and so um this is definitely
1:34:01something that you know about the
1:34:04concept of
1:34:05supremacism superiority dominance
1:34:08oppression
1:34:10invisibility um really deeply
1:34:13intertwined with that and as we go
1:34:16through the webinar series over the
1:34:19course um of this year and in our
1:34:22programming
1:34:23um I um I think that this is a topic
1:34:28that we will definitely look at visiting
1:34:31in more depth so that we have um bring
1:34:34on Scholars of of disability who can
1:34:37talk more deeply about how rooted that
1:34:40is and how which um I recommend we'll be
1:34:45posting the recording soon of the panel
1:34:48from our our talk in December which blue
1:34:51spoke on about mental and emotional
1:34:53health for researchers which also
1:34:56brought in issues of
1:35:00disability and the um hostility towards
1:35:04disability and the Eraser of disability
1:35:08as elements of how we think of our own
1:35:13traumas and the acceptability of our
1:35:15traumas our needs our personal
1:35:18disabilities and how that factors into
1:35:21things um like you know what is sort of
1:35:24colloquially known as burnout um that
1:35:27has so much to do with you know the
1:35:31structures of society that we're in and
1:35:33how they support and specifically don't
1:35:36support us in our variable identities so
1:35:41um we'll send out that recording um next
1:35:44week along with the recording of This
1:35:46panel um to our email list um and
1:35:51definitely a topic that we'll dig into
1:35:53more
1:35:54and the other thing I wanted to
1:35:55recognize from Bianca was was the
1:35:58original comment about young people um
1:36:02and young people as you know empowered
1:36:04and of themselves and as mentors to
1:36:07others um and to just name that we
1:36:11definitely deeply support that at irms
1:36:15and all of our programs are um are
1:36:19neutral to age or career status we don't
1:36:25have like a lot of systems do that oh
1:36:29the this group is for the professors and
1:36:32this is for the students and these kinds
1:36:34of things um it's based on on what
1:36:38people are bringing um to to our
1:36:41fellowship programs or mentee programs
1:36:43or or training programs and learning at
1:36:48all ages and all levels in different
1:36:50ways and so we try to break out of that
1:36:53in the construction of our work as well
1:36:57um and in the kind of you know
1:36:59importance that we that we put on
1:37:03interventions that are occurring done
1:37:05for and by and our our keynote speaker
1:37:09one of our keynote speakers um Mel
1:37:13William hang Jagger the um executive
1:37:17director of glisten um they put it
1:37:20really well in an interview that
1:37:23children and young people are doing
1:37:26really amazing inspiring work and also
1:37:31that like they should get to be children
1:37:35in such as they should get to have fun
1:37:37they should get to study they should get
1:37:39to explore themselves they shouldn't
1:37:42have to be always at the Forefront of
1:37:45these movements and so the
1:37:48responsibility of adults and and groups
1:37:51like glisten to recognize them respect
1:37:54them Empower them support them and also
1:37:58to not um not kick back and feel like
1:38:02the young people can do it for us to be
1:38:05like yeah those youth are really amazing
1:38:09that's fascinating follow their lead use
1:38:13their resources you know develop um
1:38:16develop the work in this way so that we
1:38:19are so that we are you know supporting
1:38:23you know
1:38:23in in the same way that um that we you
1:38:28know Empower and provide resourcing for
1:38:31any Community um that is often
1:38:34marginalized or
1:38:39voiceless yeah and then you know coming
1:38:42back to the question of like how does
1:38:44children work I mean I don't think you
1:38:46can do Trend studies without
1:38:49thinking through and around disability
1:38:54even if you no even if you write
1:38:59directly about it in different degrees
1:39:02uh for like so many reasons the first
1:39:04one is uh trans people are disabled not
1:39:10as a group but a hell of a lot of trans
1:39:13people are disabled uh really a lot I
1:39:17mean for one you know depression anxiety
1:39:19and PTSD is like kind of a main stay but
1:39:23then you know like things like autism
1:39:28ADHD and I mean everything really uh
1:39:33tends to be more common among among
1:39:36trans people uh and so first you have to
1:39:42you know you can't do this work without
1:39:45thinking about that fact and how it imps
1:39:47you can of back we do because well for
1:39:49one you know like just think about all
1:39:51the criteria for transitioning to like
1:39:53oh you must you know all mental health
1:39:55concern must be reasonably under like
1:39:58well under control and then it's like oh
1:40:00they're trying to use that to deny care
1:40:02to you know 50% of trans people because
1:40:05they're
1:40:07disabled uh there's also the sense that
1:40:09trans people are disabled
1:40:11in you know like straight up as a matter
1:40:16of law in many countries uh including
1:40:19Canada being trans qualifies you as
1:40:21disabled uh as a matter of Law and you
1:40:25know in part it's still recognized that
1:40:28way
1:40:29under uh a lot of uh like the DSM and
1:40:34things like that and so there is the
1:40:36question of like how do trans people
1:40:39engage with that and of course trans
1:40:40people have historically tried to
1:40:41distance themselves from that um but we
1:40:45are also seeing push back from many
1:40:48people kind of myself included
1:40:50about where that this distancing comes
1:40:54from because you know while I do believe
1:40:57in the depathologization movement and
1:41:00this idea of like being trans
1:41:03pathology it can't be done from a place
1:41:07of ew mental illness you know you can't
1:41:10be like no you know uh you can't push de
1:41:16pathologization from an ableist
1:41:19perspective which is why in some of our
1:41:21work have been very actively trying to
1:41:23develop ways of making sense of
1:41:26depathologization from a perspective
1:41:29that's not ableist notably by like
1:41:32centering what do classifications of
1:41:35illnesses bring to people and how do
1:41:38people self conceptualize and
1:41:40essentially like basically taking a a
1:41:43very kind of
1:41:45like what counts as an illness or
1:41:47disability is socially
1:41:50constructed what do categorizations
1:41:52bring does it do good or does it not uh
1:41:56and kind of using that as a
1:41:57frame uh then there's a second way in
1:42:01which you know uh it comes up a lot
1:42:04which is transness is disabling in many
1:42:07ways uh you know
1:42:11the most obvious ways is my like my body
1:42:17has SCS right uh my body doesn't produce
1:42:21certain hormones
1:42:23never did and some not anymore and that
1:42:27has you know a lifelong medical impact
1:42:29on me and and so there is that aspect
1:42:33but then you know there's
1:42:37the kind of bad side of that in how
1:42:40people react to it which is seeing it as
1:42:43calling it mutilation or monstrous or
1:42:46turning towards it with pity and then uh
1:42:50or even kind of horror really
1:42:54uh which is tied to this kind of
1:42:56Mutilation Framing
1:42:58and and so there is this this need to
1:43:01push back and and a lot of that reaction
1:43:04to friends bodies is reaction to disable
1:43:10bodies it's the same kind of gut
1:43:14negative reaction that is being
1:43:16transposed on to trans people it's a
1:43:19fundamentally
1:43:20ableist perspective and so so is the
1:43:23pity towards which they turn in arguing
1:43:27against access to trans care uh another
1:43:32way in which it shows up is how it's
1:43:34constantly being used to argue against
1:43:39trans care how the fact that people that
1:43:41disabled people exist and are accessing
1:43:44trans care is evidence that they need to
1:43:48be saved right and so you have uh
1:43:51especially this shows up quite a lot
1:43:54around U TR sexual trauma which is
1:43:57typically not like typically not framed
1:44:01around uh in kind of disability terms by
1:44:04opponents but one that really is is
1:44:07autism right and this idea of like we
1:44:09need to save the autistic youth from uh
1:44:13the gender uh you know the gender
1:44:16ideology and stuff like that which you
1:44:18know I
1:44:19have obviously take issue with both on
1:44:22the
1:44:23human level but also as somebody who's
1:44:26antic uh and one thing that's
1:44:30interesting in here is is well that uh
1:44:35reproduction the the argument from
1:44:37reproduction is doesn't typically show
1:44:40up in that context right when they're
1:44:43emphasizing artistic hute it's it's very
1:44:45much framed as a separate point a
1:44:47separate argument from the reproduction
1:44:50one
1:44:51and this does this does say something
1:44:56uh
1:44:58and what's interesting at the same time
1:45:01is is I'm thinking of Ashley X and I
1:45:04don't know if people
1:45:06know Ashley X but uh it's uh was a
1:45:11person who was born in 97 and due to
1:45:16incopy had uh essentially developmental
1:45:21disability uh and was
1:45:25being basically was publicly framed as
1:45:29being stuck in a in the mind of a
1:45:31newborn with a growing body and was uh
1:45:38controversially uh by a cours given
1:45:41puberty blockers essentially sto the
1:45:44bodily development to essentially always
1:45:46stay a
1:45:47baby um and Ashley is like when 7 Now 26
1:45:5427 now uh as far as I know there's not
1:45:58we don't you know we don't
1:46:01know how she's doing now or anything uh
1:46:06all we know is that her P was stopped
1:46:10and she was given the blockers that are
1:46:12now being you know given to trans kids
1:46:16and you know
1:46:19there's this this differential
1:46:24treatment where this was seen as kind of
1:46:28saving Ashley
1:46:30X but then turn around and you know
1:46:34trans kids it would be so horrendous to
1:46:37give them puberty blockers and even the
1:46:40autistic trans kids right and so
1:46:44uh
1:46:46it's there's there's a a rich and really
1:46:51distressing web and interplay and how
1:46:57infantilization disability and transness
1:46:59are intersecting in ways that really
1:47:03show the seams of the arguments that are
1:47:06being made of the claims that are being
1:47:08made and really shows how it really has
1:47:11nothing to do with the arguments that
1:47:15they are making on the surface you know
1:47:17about protecting children stuff like
1:47:19that and everything to do with gender
1:47:23race
1:47:24disability and
1:47:27fulfilling the demands of the nation
1:47:32state imagin Des
1:47:38fite yeah thank you thank you for that
1:47:41um I'm gonna turn it over I believe to
1:47:44Alex um to fill some questions about the
1:47:48training institute um I believe you had
1:47:51gotten a message so if you you want to
1:47:53you know if anyone has particular
1:47:56questions um they can you know ask her
1:47:59uh directly uh using the raise hand
1:48:02function but um if you want to briefly
1:48:04talk about it a bit Alex that would be
1:48:06great as well yeah so um I think given
1:48:10where we are on time first I want to
1:48:12mention from the chat that Bianca um
1:48:16recommended the Open Access reading
1:48:18black feminist disability framework by
1:48:20Dr Moya Bailey and is Mobly who blue is
1:48:25snapping um to that reading as well um
1:48:28so for listeners to be aware of um and I
1:48:33think so I um it was requested that I
1:48:36give some more details on the anti
1:48:38supremacist training institutes and also
1:48:41our fellow and mentee programs I'm going
1:48:43to invite um if there's any final
1:48:47questions um related to um Florence and
1:48:51Blue's presid presentation and if not
1:48:54kind of final remarks from the two of
1:48:56them because I know we've been two hours
1:48:59a lot of people need to go and do things
1:49:02um and this is recorded we'll send it
1:49:04out and so if people need to leave for
1:49:07the people who have already left um the
1:49:10information um that I that I provide
1:49:12will be on the recording and you can get
1:49:15it that way um if you don't want to stay
1:49:17for questions so um so yeah if there's
1:49:22uh I don't if blue and Florence if you
1:49:24want to give your your final comments um
1:49:28that would be great and then I will give
1:49:31um a little bit more details on the
1:49:33programming that we have coming
1:49:38up all right well I mean my final
1:49:41thoughts are
1:49:42to are I really hope that people will
1:49:46kind of take this conversation as an
1:49:50entry point and really develop their own
1:49:53thinking around this and develop
1:49:56practices of solidarity around this um I
1:50:00don't think it can go terribly much
1:50:02farther than that in my thoughts because
1:50:05uh sharing what I truly
1:50:09think might get me in trouble and get me
1:50:12fired
1:50:14uh so I won't uh but let's just say
1:50:20let's say shake up the system um very
1:50:24politely
1:50:28uh uh you know we're at a time that's
1:50:33really scary it's really scary to be
1:50:35transed but it's really scary for really
1:50:40anybody who's marginalized it's
1:50:42incredibly scary right now
1:50:46and
1:50:48fear and that's something I've been
1:50:50struggling with fear can be immobilizing
1:50:53and it can make it difficult to do that
1:50:57work and I think that's where solidarity
1:51:01is it's most important is yes it's about
1:51:05the work that gets done when people show
1:51:07up but it's also about
1:51:11this kind of revitalization that we
1:51:14experience when people show up it's
1:51:17about people showing up as fuel for
1:51:21those fights and
1:51:23when people show up it's not a re Zero
1:51:25Sum game where they're like putting
1:51:27their energy in there instead of
1:51:29somewhere else it gives us all more
1:51:31energy to that work and like and so
1:51:35that's why I you know really believe in
1:51:38in showing on doing that work and I hope
1:51:41we can all do it
1:51:44together yeah just building off that
1:51:48um I really I just want to go back to
1:51:53Bianca's uh question and and challenge
1:51:57for us because you know Florence and I
1:52:02have developed this
1:52:05analysis
1:52:06but just like with any work it is
1:52:09limited and there's so much further that
1:52:12this kind of analysis of power and
1:52:15supremacism like further that it could
1:52:18grow um and so I also want to really
1:52:21think about inviting all of y'all to
1:52:25take this sort of framework and develop
1:52:27it in your own areas with your own skill
1:52:30sets and experiences if you're doing
1:52:33youth work I want like I want to see
1:52:36this argument about supremacism grow
1:52:39into an analysis of the ways that we
1:52:46infanty children and how that is related
1:52:50to things like disability and race and
1:52:53so yeah I I want to First offer up that
1:52:57this
1:53:00is is not a be all end all and it should
1:53:04not be seen as a be all end all analysis
1:53:07when we say we're trying to grasp
1:53:08something at the root it takes many
1:53:12hands right we have we've got this
1:53:16part but there's certainly more to
1:53:20explore I also just want to sort of end
1:53:26um with a
1:53:29recognition that it is okay to be afraid
1:53:33it is okay to to have fear and it's also
1:53:37okay to
1:53:38freeze um that is a response to trauma
1:53:42and it can be a survival response and
1:53:45it's not bad to feel
1:53:50overwhelmed and I I say that because
1:53:53sometimes in our movement spaces we get
1:53:56really focused on like you need to be
1:53:58doing things all the
1:54:00time and that isn't the
1:54:04case the goal I think of the kind of
1:54:09active organizing work that folks Alex
1:54:14uh that Florence like folks have been
1:54:16talking about is about showing up for
1:54:21others from the places where we have
1:54:24strength so that when that person is
1:54:28feeling Frozen and really scared that
1:54:32they know that they have people in their
1:54:33Corner that have
1:54:39capacity that
1:54:42way we allow people to experience a full
1:54:45range of human emotion like I am black
1:54:48and I am trans and I am not a superhero
1:54:52right like I am not like I don't need to
1:54:54be out here being ready to take down the
1:54:58entire system that is the job
1:55:01of a collective right of us working
1:55:05together and so when Florence says very
1:55:08politely to shake things up really
1:55:11thinking about where your position where
1:55:15your points of Leverage
1:55:17are right um
1:55:23and avoiding this idea of if you don't
1:55:27do everything then you're doing
1:55:31nothing right um again Audrey Lord's
1:55:36politics of difference you organize from
1:55:39where you're different in order to get
1:55:42everyone on that same page of being
1:55:45dignified and supported and having their
1:55:47needs
1:55:48met
1:55:50um so yeah I
1:55:52I just really want to end the
1:55:57discussion for at least for myself from
1:56:00a place of saying knowing that these
1:56:03things are interconnected as Florence
1:56:05said means that we all are in this
1:56:08together there is no this isn't going to
1:56:11affect me
1:56:14somehow so if we're all in this together
1:56:17we have these overlapping
1:56:20positions my challenge all of y'all is
1:56:23to say where are you
1:56:26going to take your next steps what does
1:56:30that look
1:56:31like
1:56:34um because when we show up for one
1:56:37[Music]
1:56:39another we end up building power right
1:56:44uh Samuel Delaney talks about this as
1:56:46the power of masked bodies that there's
1:56:49just something different when people
1:56:52come come together as a group to
1:56:54accomplish a
1:56:57goal and as Alex brought up so much when
1:57:01we talk about things like
1:57:03healing and about doing this research
1:57:06and doing this work can feel very
1:57:08isolated like we are the only folks and
1:57:13you know getting the hate mail and
1:57:15getting duck and getting all of these
1:57:18experiences can feel very isolated so
1:57:21countering that is essential to doing
1:57:25the kind of sustained work that I think
1:57:27we were challenged at the beginning of
1:57:29our Q&A to to think
1:57:32about so yeah I think that's it for me
1:57:35and I really appreciate folks showing up
1:57:38and and bringing some insights and hard
1:57:43questions to the
1:57:48conversation thank you so much blue and
1:57:51Florence for those remarks I really
1:57:53appreciate especially um yeah the the
1:57:56comments about how important connections
1:57:58are and a big part of this training
1:58:01institute is forming those connections
1:58:03because like you were saying blue this
1:58:05work can feel very isolating and it can
1:58:08lead to this Despair and you know like
1:58:12you were saying you know
1:58:13about we we can't afford to throw our
1:58:16hands up and and say you know well it's
1:58:18just messed up that's not necessarily
1:58:20the the point of this it's to to show
1:58:23that we do have power in in our
1:58:25solidarity and in our numbers so thank
1:58:27you all so much for for um you know
1:58:31articulating that and I also just as a
1:58:34quick note I've been taking resources
1:58:36from the chat to um just keep track of
1:58:39so that we'll send out a um just a
1:58:42followup a thank you for everyone that
1:58:44attended so if anyone has any other
1:58:46resources that they want to share I'm
1:58:47kind of over here taking notes so if you
1:58:49have anything um else I will
1:58:52share that out um in the next week or so
1:58:56and then yeah I'll just go ahead and
1:58:58turn it over to Alex to talk a bit more
1:59:01about the
1:59:02Institute wonderful yeah thank you to
1:59:06our speakers and our audience really
1:59:08amazing to be there and wonderful to
1:59:12have all of the people who will be
1:59:14listening to this recording in the
1:59:16future um so we are really excited for
1:59:21this year to be able to dig deep into
1:59:24our research and action on anti-s
1:59:27supremacism props again to
1:59:31cgre um which is funding so much of this
1:59:34program so there's going to be some
1:59:37different dimensions to the program um
1:59:40and also some other corresponding
1:59:43programming so this Public Training um
1:59:49is part of a series of public webinars
1:59:51that will do around anti-s supremacism
1:59:55that will be in conjunction with the
1:59:58training and creation institutes and
2:00:00cohort building so these sessions will
2:00:03provide on an approximately monthly
2:00:06basis deep dives into different areas of
2:00:11supremacism um next month's uh talk will
2:00:15include Amy Littlefield a journalist who
2:00:17works on abortion who will be digging
2:00:20into um the history and strategy used by
2:00:23the anti-abortion movement um and our
2:00:28other speakers are to be
2:00:30announced so if you are interested in
2:00:34joining our anti- supremacist training
2:00:38and creation institutes for this year so
2:00:42these will go beyond the public webinars
2:00:45um will be aiming to build a cohort of
2:00:4830 to 40 social justice organizers
2:00:52researchers and media who are interested
2:00:55in deeper
2:00:57collaborations around innovative ways to
2:01:01counter supremacism to rewrite
2:01:05supremacism because I always feel like
2:01:07ah we're countering like we're
2:01:10contesting like I don't know about those
2:01:12words so we're trying rewrite
2:01:15supremacism right now um and so we'll be
2:01:18bringing people together at different
2:01:21events we'll have virtual options and
2:01:23in-person options our big in-person
2:01:27event um will be in May from the 11th to
2:01:3114th in Los Alamos New Mexico where I'm
2:01:34based New Mexico is a safe harbor State
2:01:38um Arizona and Texas are not um on
2:01:42either side uh and so we'll really be
2:01:46focused on doing more work around
2:01:49anti-abortion movements um anti- birth
2:01:53control movements um which are hopping
2:01:55on to the anti-abortion train um
2:01:58anti-sex Ed uh movements against
2:02:02transgender rights especially targeting
2:02:04trans youth in places like Texas um and
2:02:09drag shows and
2:02:11performances and books about queer Youth
2:02:14and Librarians and those attacks we are
2:02:19planning to have as part of our
2:02:22Community Joy building um a mix of
2:02:25different types of sessions at this
2:02:28institute so there'll be a little bit of
2:02:31presentations and talks but not too much
2:02:33because we'll be doing the webinars
2:02:36beforehand um there will be then
2:02:38convenings and breakout groups figuring
2:02:41out strategies around certain topics
2:02:44what we do with our brief application
2:02:47forms they're basically for us to learn
2:02:50about the challenges that organizers are
2:02:53facing um and what researchers and media
2:02:56are bringing so we have some plans for
2:02:58our topics and who's going to speak at
2:03:01the upcoming trainings but we leave a
2:03:03lot of it flexible and we design it
2:03:06directly based on what kind of issues
2:03:08people bring up so for our pilot
2:03:12Institute um which was in uh
2:03:1620121 um we had people asking about
2:03:20topics like why why the white
2:03:23nationalist group was harassing the high
2:03:26school gay straight Alliance um how a
2:03:29candidate for um uh for city council
2:03:33whose platform had been um all about
2:03:38anti-lgbtq um programming was now
2:03:41working with the white supremacist kind
2:03:43of group and we're like we can so answer
2:03:46that we we can get into that we know
2:03:49these things they make sense let's talk
2:03:52intersections let's talk misogyny as
2:03:55glue um so we have we have this Focus
2:03:58for May um around things broadly kind of
2:04:01antibod autonomy anti-gender expression
2:04:05kind of work um and then we will also be
2:04:09looking at the applications and what
2:04:11organizers are facing in their own work
2:04:14and what their needs are what they need
2:04:16to understand what they need to work on
2:04:19um and then we will also be having um
2:04:24just stuff for people to get to know
2:04:26each other to build relationships the
2:04:29concept of the cohort is that we'll be
2:04:32doing things over the course of the
2:04:33whole year so the inperson Event in May
2:04:36if you're able to come to New Mexico um
2:04:40travel and lodging is fully funded child
2:04:43care and caretaking also as needed um
2:04:46and stiens for um any lowincome
2:04:50individuals giving up compensated paid
2:04:52work to come to the
2:04:54convening um we'll spend some time
2:04:57outside we have some really nice Canyons
2:05:00here the aim is to have not only
2:05:03discussions with drag artists um about
2:05:07the work that they are doing and the
2:05:10issues that they're facing but also to
2:05:12have some performance because we really
2:05:14want to build that Joy um so there will
2:05:17be really great engaging sessions to
2:05:20really dig into what we can do
2:05:24innovatively um how do we make the case
2:05:28how do we design the H how-to what's
2:05:30going to make
2:05:31sense we'll also have some events with
2:05:35other conferences um in July the 22nd
2:05:39century initiative um we'll be having a
2:05:42conference in Minneapolis we'll be doing
2:05:44a pre-conference there will be another
2:05:46place to meet up we'll have a virtual
2:05:49training institute um for people who
2:05:51aren't able to attend the May one in
2:05:53person and then we'll have this cohort
2:05:56build and collaborate in different ways
2:05:59over the course of the year um so we're
2:06:02aiming to do case studies of innovative
2:06:07techniques that participants in the
2:06:10convening might use in their own
2:06:12organizing that they want to disseminate
2:06:15more broadly um we'll be doing reports
2:06:18making the case for things like what I
2:06:22discussed earlier um that things like
2:06:25attacks on drag performance or trying to
2:06:28ban books from libraries or attacking
2:06:32sex ed at the local school board level
2:06:35aren't distractions they're the core of
2:06:40the authoritarian
2:06:42agenda um and making that case for how
2:06:46we want to think about prevention um and
2:06:49how we want to think about change
2:06:52um we're going to be doing howtos we're
2:06:55going to be creating resources for media
2:06:58and so people who are part of the cohort
2:07:02will have the opportunity to both work
2:07:06in these imperson and virtual sessions
2:07:09to learn more and to engage with one
2:07:14another um around how we can do better
2:07:18to support effective organizing and
2:07:21cultural and educational change and then
2:07:24they'll also have the opportunity based
2:07:26on interest and capacity to be involved
2:07:30handson with the creation of some of
2:07:32these resources which there's additional
2:07:34funding to support as well um so if
2:07:38people out of the Institute um just have
2:07:42the time to be a part of the strategy
2:07:44and the brainstorming and the sessions
2:07:47themselves um that's okay and if people
2:07:50from the Institute want to be involved
2:07:55um with helping to create some of these
2:07:58materials there will be opportunities
2:08:00for researchers and organizers and media
2:08:02to connect around that as
2:08:04well and the cohort won't be completely
2:08:07static so if people come to the
2:08:10organizer training and then want to
2:08:13bring in others um we'll have more
2:08:15events in the fall um that have yet to
2:08:18be fully scheduled and this is really
2:08:21about developing a long-term project for
2:08:24researchers coming at this work for
2:08:27organizers coming at this work for media
2:08:30coming at this work from an anti-s
2:08:33supremacist framework or who want to
2:08:35come at it from an anti-s supremacist
2:08:37framework as I explained you know what
2:08:40that means to us earlier about
2:08:42recognizing supremacism in the
2:08:44mainstream about core change about
2:08:47creativity um in work um and so we'll be
2:08:50growing
2:08:52this
2:08:53cohort over time and looking for it to
2:08:56be a sustained part of the work because
2:08:58one big part of the kind of
2:09:01interventions that we do and the levels
2:09:03that we work on is we're not campaign
2:09:07focused um in most of the work that we
2:09:10do that that those applications can
2:09:13totally come out of it um but we are
2:09:15thinking about change that needs to
2:09:18happen over the course of decade when
2:09:21you start sex you know if you if you
2:09:25manage to have comprehensive sex
2:09:27education starting in kindergarten for
2:09:30the whole country just all of a sudden
2:09:33it would still take a long time for all
2:09:36of those youth to grow up and go through
2:09:38that programming and be a voting age and
2:09:40starting to make cultural and political
2:09:44decisions so we work on the long-term
2:09:47frame we think about what those balances
2:09:50are um I think the overturning of row
2:09:54put that really into a lot of people's
2:09:57sights a lot of compromising language
2:10:01has traditionally been used around
2:10:02abortion instead of really digging into
2:10:06bodily autonomy and human rights a lot
2:10:09of reasons and excuses why people should
2:10:14be allowed to have abortions um that
2:10:17wasn't just kind of a hard stop that
2:10:20because bodily Aton
2:10:22because it's their right um and there
2:10:25have been a lot of um losses kind of
2:10:28related to having given supremacist the
2:10:32grounds for them to attack to attack on
2:10:35all sorts of things um like uh there is
2:10:40a New York Times article about
2:10:43pro-life young women as they refer to
2:10:46themselves using the messaging of we're
2:10:49the ones who tell women they can have it
2:10:51all because the pro-choice movement
2:10:55tells them you know they can't afford to
2:10:57have their babies and we tell them we
2:10:59can have a they can have a baby and they
2:11:00can have a career and all this stuff and
2:11:03of course actually the left is also the
2:11:05place that supports resources for
2:11:08raising children which people on the
2:11:10right constantly knock
2:11:13down the supremist agenda does not want
2:11:16to support especially any non-white
2:11:19babies um
2:11:22but that's not what's coming through in
2:11:24the
2:11:24messaging um and for our movements to
2:11:29think about what we're doing we really
2:11:31want to lean into and here's the other
2:11:33reason we don't use just extremist or
2:11:36radicalization because we want to leave
2:11:38lean into radical social justice because
2:11:41radical is actually a really great term
2:11:44in a lot of ways and research shows that
2:11:47people in the center are actually often
2:11:50more authoritarian
2:11:51because they think democracy means
2:11:53voting and that it doesn't mean protest
2:11:56and it doesn't mean free speech and it
2:11:58doesn't mean anything that interferes
2:12:00with what is seen as civility or
2:12:03respectability politics so they don't
2:12:06really support social movements and so
2:12:09we actually want a vision that is
2:12:13radical that's inspiring and that thinks
2:12:16about the kind of change that we can
2:12:18make in the long term and when we look
2:12:20at supremacist movements and this is
2:12:23what I did my dissertation research on
2:12:26how the right or supremacist movements
2:12:29built power from the 1960s
2:12:32forward they're really
2:12:34inspiring their rhetoric is super
2:12:37inspiring I don't agree with any of it I
2:12:40think it's all
2:12:41terrible um but really
2:12:45inspiring and so and they lost a lot
2:12:49they lost really badly Barry Goldwater
2:12:52carried like two states and they were
2:12:54like in the presidential election and
2:12:56they were like that's a huge success did
2:12:58you see how many people voted for him we
2:13:01can build on this we just need to change
2:13:05the culture change the educational
2:13:07system make people understand what we
2:13:10call conservatives conservativism bring
2:13:14them over to us so we're going to be
2:13:16getting into all of that kind of stuff
2:13:19in these cohorts and in the resources
2:13:22that we're building so this is a project
2:13:27that um is
2:13:29very um
2:13:31collaborative um is meant to be built
2:13:35with the people who are part of it we
2:13:38have people at imms and people who we've
2:13:40worked with in the past who will be
2:13:42involved with it um and we want to bring
2:13:46in new people and new contacts and new
2:13:49relationships um who who are interested
2:13:53in building um the way that we're
2:13:56interested in building around com
2:13:59rewriting supremacism and around a
2:14:02vision for the future that we
2:14:05want the other programming we have at
2:14:09irms that's ongoing is that our fellows
2:14:13and mentee cohorts are currently open so
2:14:16for researchers in Academia or elsewhere
2:14:20we have jour ists in this program as
2:14:22well um this is another area that you
2:14:26can look at um we encourage our
2:14:29researchers to be involved um with our
2:14:32programs blue is one of our fellows at
2:14:36irms as they mentioned previously um so
2:14:39our fellows often speak at our webinars
2:14:41we encourage them to participate in the
2:14:44connection between research and action
2:14:47that can look different ways for
2:14:48different people we have people who do
2:14:51media interviews and op EDS um other
2:14:54forms of talks engagement with
2:14:57resources we do a small orientation
2:15:00program for fellows which gets more
2:15:02deeply into male supremacism and its
2:15:05intersections as a framework to work on
2:15:08since this framework is pretty new as an
2:15:11intervention the mentee program is a
2:15:1412month curriculum that gets a lot
2:15:17deeper into all kinds of different
2:15:21elements of male supremacist and other
2:15:23forms of supremacist
2:15:26ideologies this month's Preparatory
2:15:29readings for our Mente session um
2:15:32include watching this recording uh our
2:15:36mentees our mentees will be preparing um
2:15:39for our discussion session um by looking
2:15:42at this recording um and talking about a
2:15:46couple of really interesting articles um
2:15:49one by Chase strania um who's a trans
2:15:53activist and ACLU lawyer that just came
2:15:56out in the brand new hammer and hope
2:15:59magazine which I super recommend reading
2:16:02for a little little taste of the kind of
2:16:04stuff that we like to put into our
2:16:07programming so we work across different
2:16:09kinds of issues we work with the mentees
2:16:13on different versions of
2:16:16supremacism understanding turfs
2:16:19understanding the appeal to men of color
2:16:23that are occurring in contemporary
2:16:24movements thinking about things like
2:16:28dangerous speech and
2:16:30dehumanization that underg
2:16:32supremacism how we can understand those
2:16:35things how conspiracy theories are
2:16:38wielded um how they uh grow and
2:16:43influence how anti feminist conspiracy
2:16:46theories have become really core to our
2:16:49current politics and how much borrow
2:16:52from the anti-semitic conspiracy
2:16:54theories that have
2:16:55centuries of um uh of history behind
2:17:00them and so these programs are ways for
2:17:05us to support researchers who are often
2:17:08really isolated in their
2:17:11institutions they might be the only
2:17:13person doing anything like this work um
2:17:18and being able to provide ways for them
2:17:20to connect with each other spaces like
2:17:23on our slack channel to just let people
2:17:26know hey I'm getting a lot of online
2:17:29harassment right now and I just kind of
2:17:31wanted to tell people who would
2:17:33understand what that looks like um we
2:17:35also provide digital security support
2:17:38and trainings and for the first time
2:17:40we're providing um a training on legal
2:17:44threats um in the upcoming month as a
2:17:48technique that is increasingly used by
2:17:52supremacists to attempt to silence
2:17:54researchers and especially to silence
2:17:57researchers who are already vulnerable
2:18:00um such as women and researchers of
2:18:02color and trans and non-binary
2:18:05people um so we have we have a number of
2:18:10different programs that we encourage
2:18:13people to look at our first round
2:18:16deadline for the anti-s supremacist
2:18:20training Institute is coming up on March
2:18:221st it's a really brief application as I
2:18:25said it's largely for us to learn about
2:18:28what the applicants are facing um and be
2:18:31able to work that into our material um
2:18:34there will be
2:18:36other application deadlines on a rolling
2:18:40basis um with different deadlines for
2:18:43funding support for different events if
2:18:45you're coming in person and things like
2:18:48that um so we really
2:18:52encourage looking at um the call for
2:18:55applications around that and looking at
2:18:58our Mente and fellow um calls as well
2:19:01they go out in our emails um and are on
2:19:05our website um and to think about um if
2:19:10you are someone who is an organizer or a
2:19:14journalist or a researcher um who wants
2:19:19a community and an Network and a space
2:19:22where you can dig more into an
2:19:25intersectional feminist approach to
2:19:29rewriting supremacism and
2:19:32authoritarianism and working towards
2:19:35radical visions of social justice
2:19:38Futures and
2:19:40democracy um then we super encourage
2:19:43looking at the work that we're
2:19:45doing so thanks to those of you who
2:19:49stayed on with me
2:19:52um
2:19:53and uh to anyone who's watching the
2:19:56recording um for those who are on today
2:19:59um are there any questions that anyone
2:20:02wants to ask um about um our programming
2:20:06before we sign off for the
2:20:12evening I was just going to ask are
2:20:15those uh links to the various
2:20:18applications and stuff would that be in
2:20:20included in the follow-up
2:20:23email yeah so when we sent out our
2:20:26follow-up email with all the resources
2:20:28Chancey has been keeping track of um
2:20:30we'll also include the links to the
2:20:33calls for applications that are coming
2:20:35up so um if you didn't already see it if
2:20:39you found this event like via Twitter or
2:20:42a share from someone else or something
2:20:44you'll definitely get it in that
2:20:45follow-up
2:20:47email and if you're really like you know
2:20:50it look look into it now I dropped um
2:20:53the information in the chat as well um
2:20:55the link is is there so if anyone you
2:20:58know wants to get started on the
2:20:59application like like Alex said it's
2:21:01very brief but if you know want you want
2:21:04more information about The Institute
2:21:06there is more information on that
2:21:07document that I shared so yeah and Alex
2:21:10just shared the the website as well so
2:21:13yeah those are all things to to look at
2:21:15and look into
2:21:21is there anything
2:21:24else questions
2:21:29comments wonderful well thank you so
2:21:33much for joining us for this first
2:21:36session we are really excited about the
2:21:40year that we have ahead um thanks again
2:21:43to Blue and Florence for joining us and
2:21:45presenting today thanks for chany who's
2:21:48been with us a week and a half so far
2:21:50and is already doing really amazing work
2:21:53and I've thrown them into
2:21:55everything um and we really hope that
2:21:57you continue to follow us um do more of
2:22:02our our sessions um look out for our
2:22:05readings and and be a part of um our
2:22:09community thank you so much everyone
2:22:11take
2:22:13care bye everyone

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