Road Rage Murder | Jubal Simmons Interrogation — Transcript
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- 0:00Yeah.
- 0:00Um, so Jubal tonight, um, just based off
- 0:03of everybody talking to everybody,
- 0:05watching some video, you're being
- 0:07charged with homicide.
- 0:14On the afternoon of February 22nd, 2025,
- 0:18traffic near US 231 and Harrison Avenue
- 0:21in Panama City, [music] Florida, turned
- 0:23into a deadly crime scene. What
- 0:25investigators described [music] as a
- 0:27road rage encounter started with a
- 0:28confrontation between people in two
- 0:30vehicles.
- 0:31Within moments, the [music] situation
- 0:33escalated. A brief physical altercation
- 0:35broke out. The drivers returned to their
- 0:38vehicles, and then gunfire erupted.
- 0:4148-year-old Georgiann Garner was killed.
- 0:43>> [music]
- 0:43>> Her 19-year-old daughter, Merly Lewis,
- 0:45was critically injured. Two other people
- 0:48inside [music] Garner's vehicle survived
- 0:49without physical injuries.
- 0:51Police say the suspects fled in a gray
- 0:53Dodge Ram.
- 0:54A nearby Panama City police [music]
- 0:56officer heard the shots, saw the truck
- 0:58leaving the scene, and a pursuit
- 1:00followed with help from the Bay County
- 1:01Sheriff's Office and the Florida Highway
- 1:03Patrol.
- 1:04The investigation would later focus on
- 1:06Jubal [music] John Simmons.
- 1:08Prosecutors said the gun used in the
- 1:10shooting was thrown into a drainage
- 1:11[music] ditch during the chase,
- 1:13recovered by police, and linked to the
- 1:15shooting through forensic testing.
- 1:16[music]
- 1:17This is the interrogation of Jubal John
- 1:19Simmons.
- 1:25So,
- 1:26is it John?
- 1:28Jubal? Jubal. Jubal. Jubal, hey.
- 1:32My partner, Detective Cruz, okay? We're
- 1:34going to be the ones talking about just
- 1:35what happened tonight. I'll go ahead and
- 1:37get the ball rolling. What are you in
- 1:38here for?
- 1:46Any water or anything, man?
- 1:48No. Okay.
- 2:03>> Jubal, let me just get my recorder going
- 2:04just so I can record our conversation
- 2:06tonight, okay?
- 2:10Madam Secretary, the date is June
- 2:12February 22nd, 2025. I'm Detective
- 2:15Brettner with the Panama City Police
- 2:17Department. The time is 8:15 p.m.
- 2:21I'm at the Panama City Police
- 2:22Department. This is in reference to PCP
- 2:24case number related to the
- 2:26determination. With me present is
- 2:28Detective Brettner.
- 2:30Jubal Johnson. Okay. And what's your
- 2:33date of birth?
- 2:34August 17th, 1971. Okay. And what is
- 2:36your phone number for you?
- 2:38Um
- 2:39I don't I got one number three. Okay.
- 2:42Is that a working phone number? Okay.
- 2:44And what is your home address for you?
- 2:47Um
- 2:48I do not have one at the moment.
- 2:50Okay.
- 2:51Um
- 2:52couch surfing, you don't have a home at
- 2:53all. No, I do live in an RV. RV, okay.
- 2:56Where at? Um on some property that uh
- 3:00she owns.
- 3:01She? Yeah. Okay.
- 3:03Do you know
- 3:05what road it's by, what road it's off
- 3:06of?
- 3:07Um Western.
- 3:09Huh? Southwestern Road. Okay. Is that in
- 3:11Bay County? Okay.
- 3:15And you prefer to be called Jubal, you
- 3:16said? Jubal, okay.
- 3:18So Jubal, just um
- 3:21just trying to get the whole story of
- 3:22what's happened, okay? We obviously want
- 3:23to get your side of just what occurred
- 3:25tonight. Um but before I talk to you,
- 3:27I'm just going to read you your rights,
- 3:28okay?
- 3:30Um after I read them, just give a yes or
- 3:31no if you understand, okay?
- 3:33Okay. You have the right to remain
- 3:35silent. Anything you say can be used
- 3:37against you in court. You have the right
- 3:39to talk to a lawyer for advice before we
- 3:41ask you any questions. You have the
- 3:43right to have a lawyer with you during
- 3:44questioning if you wish.
- 3:47If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will
- 3:49be appointed for you before any
- 3:50questioning. If you decide to answer
- 3:52questions now without a lawyer present,
- 3:54you have the right to stop answering at
- 3:55any time until you have consulted a
- 3:57lawyer. Do you understand those? No,
- 3:59ma'am. Do you still wish to talk to me
- 4:00tonight? I do not. Okay.
- 4:04So,
- 4:05just to clarify, you're
- 4:07you don't want to talk to me tonight or
- 4:08are you requesting your lawyer?
- 4:10Um both. Both? I will not be able to
- 4:12talk tonight, though. I'm free now.
- 4:15Okay.
- 4:16Is there something that you I mean, can
- 4:18we get you a blanket or something to get
- 4:19you through the
- 4:20I don't like clothes. May I get
- 4:22something I would No, you're in a
- 4:24helpless situation. I'm good.
- 4:32Okay.
- 4:34Do you want to go over I got to go to
- 4:35the bathroom. Yeah.
- 4:37Um so, Juvon tonight,
- 4:39just based off of everybody talking to
- 4:41everybody, watching some video, you're
- 4:43being charged with homicide.
- 4:46Okay.
- 4:47So far you shot at CI
- 4:49and her daughter. They're probably about
- 4:50to die.
- 4:51Um so, that's two homicides.
- 4:54You're also being charged with attempted
- 4:56murder as well on top of those.
- 4:58Okay?
- 5:00These are first-degree felonies, you'll
- 5:02probably never get out of prison, okay?
- 5:08You can go ahead and do that.
- 5:11You can use the sign in your back.
- 5:2375 residents.
- 5:25Mhm.
- 5:45Spell your first name for me, again.
- 5:49I V Y
- 5:51B E L L A
- 5:54I V Y B E L L A It's I I go by Bella.
- 5:58Okay, but give me your full legal
- 6:00>> Bella. Ivy? Ivy Bella. I
- 6:04V Y
- 6:05>> V as in Victor Y B E L L A. Ivy Bella.
- 6:09All one word. Yes. What's your middle
- 6:10name? Coral. Spell it.
- 6:14Coral. Spell it.
- 6:17C You do not spell it? Do you know how
- 6:19to spell it?
- 6:20>> Spell it for me because I don't know.
- 6:21People spell their names weird. Spell it
- 6:22for me.
- 6:23>> You're being very rude to me. I'm not
- 6:24being rude.
- 6:25Spell your name.
- 6:26>> to be nice if you're being rude to me.
- 6:28You're the one who's being rude.
- 6:31I don't understand this respect for
- 6:33yourself Spell your last name for me.
- 6:35E N C I N O Spell it. Yes, 2604, right?
- 6:44Bella. I'm sorry?
- 6:46>> 2604, right?
- 6:47Uh-huh. I don't know what that means.
- 6:49Your date of birth. I'm 20. Yes. What's
- 6:52the last four of your socials?
- 6:56Where are you Last place you stayed at
- 6:58was out of Florida, right? Tallahassee.
- 7:00Okay. Well, that's in Florida. Okay. The
- 7:02capital
- 7:09Good?
- 7:11Okay.
- 7:12Is there a detective on the way too?
- 7:14Yes. Is there a detective on the way
- 7:16too? She's Yeah, yeah.
- 7:17They had to call her from home. It's her
- 7:18day off, so it took her minutes to get
- 7:20ready and come up, so she's coming. Why
- 7:23do we have to talk to a detective
- 7:24instead of officers? Because of the
- 7:27whole situation that took place.
- 7:28Nothing Nothing I can do as far as
- 7:30talking to you, okay? She'll be here
- 7:32shortly.
- 7:39Hello. Hello. Yeah, I'm Detective
- 7:41Brachner. Wanted to come over here real
- 7:43quick. Just need to go over this one.
- 7:45I'll take those handcuffs off of you.
- 7:52This is Sergeant Clark. Hello. Hi.
- 7:55What's your name?
- 7:56Bella. I go by Bella. Okay, Bella. You
- 7:58don't have to go by Bella. That's what
- 7:59you can call me.
- 8:01It's my real name is just Ivy Bella. I'm
- 8:04Bella.
- 8:05Yes, ma'am.
- 8:06I'm not a lawyer or anything.
- 8:15Okay, Bella, you said
- 8:16you have a
- 8:18How old are you? I'm 21.
- 8:20>> 21.
- 8:22Um,
- 8:23obviously you know why we're getting
- 8:25involved tonight, okay?
- 8:26Um,
- 8:30just for my purposes, I don't want you
- 8:31to be recording on my phone, okay? Of
- 8:32our conversation?
- 8:37Madam Secretary, the date is February
- 8:40February 22nd, 2025. I'm Detective
- 8:42Brettner with the Panama City Police
- 8:44Department. This is in reference to PCP
- 8:46D case number later to be determined.
- 8:48The time is 6:43 p.m.
- 8:51Uh, with me present is also Sergeant
- 8:54Clark and Ms. Ivy Bella. Can you state
- 8:57your full name just for the record?
- 8:58>> Ivy Bella, you can call me that. And
- 9:00what's your date of birth? 02 06 2004.
- 9:04And what's a good phone number for you?
- 9:06850-319-109.
- 9:11Okay, and what's a good home address for
- 9:13you?
- 9:21Okay.
- 9:22And um,
- 9:24just before I kind of get into it, I'm
- 9:26going to read you your rights, okay?
- 9:28Um,
- 9:30just at the end of it, just tell me yes
- 9:31or no if you understand, okay?
- 9:33You have the right to remain silent.
- 9:35Anything you say can be used against you
- 9:36in court. You have the right to talk to
- 9:38a lawyer for advice before we ask you
- 9:40any questions. You have the right to
- 9:41have a lawyer with you during
- 9:42questioning. If you cannot afford a
- 9:44lawyer, one will be appointed for you
- 9:46before any questioning if you wish. If
- 9:48you decide to answer questions now
- 9:50without a lawyer present, you have the
- 9:51right to stop answering at anytime until
- 9:53you have consulted a lawyer. Do you
- 9:55understand this?
- 9:58Okay. Do you still wish to talk to me
- 10:01tonight about what happened?
- 10:03Yeah, fine. Okay.
- 10:06Um
- 10:07Sign right here. That's just saying I
- 10:08read you these and you understand.
- 10:13Why am I being arrested? For what? For
- 10:15right now, you're being detained, okay?
- 10:17>> Okay.
- 10:24And this is just until we can figure out
- 10:27what happened, what's going on. You say
- 10:29you're from Is your Tallahassee the home
- 10:31address?
- 10:32It's the last known address that I live
- 10:35on property that is I don't have an
- 10:37address for, so technically I'm
- 10:40homeless, so. Mhm.
- 10:42Um how long were you raised in
- 10:44Tallahassee?
- 10:45No, I lived there for like a year. Okay.
- 10:48Uh what had you in Bay County today?
- 10:51Um I would live in Bay County. I just
- 10:54went outside to um I actually went to
- 10:56Pepper's and then I was going to um
- 10:59Uncle Ernie's. I just didn't realize
- 11:01there was a parade going on, so I
- 11:03decided to go home.
- 11:04Okay.
- 11:06So, you went to Pepper's. Did you work
- 11:07at Pepper's or did you just We were just
- 11:08eating in there.
- 11:09Okay. Who is we?
- 11:11You know, my friend.
- 11:13Okay. What's your friend's name? It's
- 11:15John. That's what I know. Okay. Do you
- 11:17know his last name or anything?
- 11:20Okay. So, um you and John were hanging
- 11:22out today going to grab some lunch or
- 11:24dinner? Lunch.
- 11:25>> Lunch, okay.
- 11:27And did you just not want Pepper's so
- 11:29you decided to go to Uncle Ernie's
- 11:30instead? We went to Pepper's. we just
- 11:33only got like chips and salsa and like
- 11:34appetizers, so we decided to get like
- 11:37actual food somewhere else. Okay.
- 11:40I see the beads on your neck. Did you
- 11:41guys enjoy the event at all? I just
- 11:43happened to stop at the restroom and a
- 11:45couple older ladies, I asked them about
- 11:48the beads and they handed me a few when
- 11:50I walked out the restroom. Okay.
- 11:53Um did y'all go to the events at all
- 11:55down there?
- 11:56Just I went to we stopped in the main
- 11:58street and bathroom went to the bathroom
- 11:59and I got a little bag of popcorn and we
- 12:01decided to go home cuz I we didn't
- 12:03realize there was a whole parade going
- 12:05on.
- 12:05>> Mhm. Yeah, it's it's crazy that time of
- 12:07year. I I hate working that thing, it's
- 12:09too many people for me.
- 12:12Um
- 12:13So how long were you guys going after?
- 12:16We were going home. I was going home.
- 12:18Okay.
- 12:19And that's to tell after you you moved
- 12:22here, correct? Bay County.
- 12:24Where's home in Bay County?
- 12:25Out in Fountain. Fountain. Can you give
- 12:28me the address?
- 12:30There is no address. Okay. I live in my
- 12:32truck. Okay. On these properties? Yeah,
- 12:35I just stay where I can.
- 12:39What road is it off of?
- 12:42Um
- 12:45I want to say
- 12:47Silver Lake.
- 12:49Okay.
- 12:54And um
- 12:57You may have said it and I just missed
- 12:58it. How long have you known John?
- 13:01Not too long. Okay. When did you guys
- 13:04meet?
- 13:05Just a rough estimate.
- 13:07Oh, a few months ago. Not too long, but
- 13:09I don't even know. Okay.
- 13:11How
- 13:12um We're just good friends. How did
- 13:14y'all meet?
- 13:16Through mutual friends? We both work
- 13:17here. Okay.
- 13:19Where do you work?
- 13:21I don't work out here anymore.
- 13:24What did you used to do?
- 13:25Like um
- 13:27freelance work. Pretty much anything I
- 13:29can do. Okay. Like, um, events. So,
- 13:32like, I go on Craigslist and I just
- 13:33search up
- 13:35something with ads.
- 13:36Yeah. What What work do you like to do?
- 13:39Serving. Serving? Okay. I was a server
- 13:41for 6 years, so Yeah. I know that life.
- 13:46You like it? It's okay.
- 13:48Okay.
- 13:50So, you got to home to Fountain and John
- 13:53with you?
- 13:55He was just coming with me, yeah. Okay.
- 13:57Was he with you all day?
- 13:59No, we went to Peppers, yeah. Okay.
- 14:02So, you picked him up
- 14:04or did he stay with you in the truck? We
- 14:06were just staying together for a little
- 14:08bit.
- 14:09Okay.
- 14:10Um, is he like you guys like boyfriend
- 14:14and girlfriend or what what's that like?
- 14:17We're good friends, I think. Okay.
- 14:21So, he stays in the truck with you, you
- 14:22guys are good friends, and you're headed
- 14:24to Peppers today.
- 14:25We already went. I mean, earlier you
- 14:28were headed to Peppers, went to Uncle
- 14:29Ernie's, and now you're headed home.
- 14:32Tell me what what was the drive on the
- 14:34way home? Um, we were coming from like
- 14:38Canal Road to turn on the 231 and I was
- 14:41making that turn
- 14:42and, um,
- 14:44the car in front of me had completely
- 14:46cut me off and almost hit me. Okay. And
- 14:49then when I was upset and I was like,
- 14:51"Hey, you know." They all got out of
- 14:54their car and came to my vehicle. One of
- 14:57the passengers, uh, I think they were in
- 14:59the back seat, came to my door and I had
- 15:01my window down.
- 15:03I don't know what she had on her. I
- 15:05don't know what
- 15:06and and they all got There was two guys
- 15:08and two girls and one of them came up to
- 15:11my vehicle Okay. and I opened the door
- 15:14and when I opened the door she she
- 15:15punched me in my face. I don't I don't
- 15:17even know what I felt it. I don't know
- 15:19if I got That was that is on this side
- 15:21here. I don't know if it is anything on
- 15:23this side, but I felt it and she punched
- 15:25me in my face.
- 15:26And that's when I just ended myself.
- 15:28How'd you defend yourself?
- 15:31I drove off. All right.
- 15:37And what happened after that?
- 15:41Um I heard police cars and then there
- 15:43was a car in front There was a police
- 15:45car in front of me
- 15:46and I I tried to veer off and we hit
- 15:48each other.
- 15:50Okay.
- 15:51Um
- 15:54So, you said she cut you off. You
- 15:56remember where I you said 231. Where at
- 15:58on Church Street 231?
- 16:00>> Um
- 16:01left on North. She went in the left lane
- 16:03and I stayed in the You know, she went
- 16:05in the right lane and I stayed in the
- 16:07left lane and I got to proceed to be in
- 16:09that lane. She completely just got over
- 16:12on me and almost hit my vehicle. Do you
- 16:14remember where like businesses were
- 16:16nearby? It's um
- 16:20I think I know what you're talking
- 16:21about. I just wanted to make sure for my
- 16:22>> Yeah, it's like where the Waffle That
- 16:24light where the Waffle House is.
- 16:27Okay. I think And she cut you off. What
- 16:30is she driving?
- 16:31It was a red car and like it looked like
- 16:33a SUV. That's all I can say. Okay. So,
- 16:37she cut you off. Yeah, she She almost
- 16:39hit my vehicle and I was upset and then
- 16:42all of all everybody in the vehicle got
- 16:45out.
- 16:46And one of them came to my driver door.
- 16:48You said a female. Was it the same
- 16:49female that was driving? No, it was the
- 16:52female behind the female that was
- 16:54driving. And then when she got out, the
- 16:56female that was driving got out and then
- 16:58two There's two guys that got out. Okay.
- 17:02Um where were you at when they got out?
- 17:04Um we were at a light.
- 17:06Do you remember which light? Um
- 17:09I have no clue. Okay.
- 17:11So, it wasn't the same light that you
- 17:13had just got cut off at? No, it was we
- 17:15were taking a left
- 17:16>> Mhm. and she went into the left lane and
- 17:19I was in the right lane and she got over
- 17:21on me and we were at that light right
- 17:23there. Okay. So we stopped at the light
- 17:25and she's in front of you? She got in
- 17:28front of me. I I just It's like she's
- 17:30right in front Okay. Okay. So the female
- 17:33what what side does the female get out
- 17:35of? It was the driver's side and she was
- 17:37behind the driver. The passenger driver
- 17:39or the passenger on the driver's side
- 17:41got out. Do you remember what she looked
- 17:43like or anything? She had dark hair. Um
- 17:48probably a little maybe just a little
- 17:50thicker than me. Not really
- 17:53tall, short? Probably maybe the same
- 17:55height as me maybe just a little
- 17:57shorter. I I don't know.
- 17:58Um
- 17:59What was she saying? Did she say
- 18:00anything to you?
- 18:01>> Yeah, she was yelling at me saying oh
- 18:03something about her mom blah blah blah
- 18:05cuz I was upset that they cut me off and
- 18:08I was just like hey you know visibly
- 18:09upset at the driver like hey what the
- 18:12heck you know it's like
- 18:14>> So when her you get out of the car were
- 18:16you like honking or
- 18:18I didn't honk at them at all.
- 18:20I didn't honk at them. I was just like
- 18:22are you freaking kidding me like you
- 18:24know? So she gets out of car and she
- 18:26comes up to you. Yeah, she came to my
- 18:28driver's door. Yeah and I opened my door
- 18:31and once I opened my door she hit me in
- 18:33my face. Okay, just with her closed
- 18:35fist? Yes. Okay and then at that time
- 18:38the other passengers get out? Yeah, all
- 18:40the I think they were already out the
- 18:43the two guys were already out and then
- 18:44the mom got out.
- 18:46Okay, did they say anything to you?
- 18:48Yeah, they were yelling The two guys I
- 18:50don't think they said anything to me but
- 18:51the mom was yelling at me. Yeah. Okay,
- 18:53what was the mom saying? She was just
- 18:55saying something about her daughter.
- 18:57Okay.
- 18:58Um did they ever like get up as close as
- 19:01the um
- 19:02the girl who punched you was? Did they
- 19:03ever get that close to the truck?
- 19:05The mom did not the two guys.
- 19:07>> Okay.
- 19:08And did the mom punch you at all?
- 19:11No. Okay.
- 19:12So after the arguing and yelling,
- 19:16you said you took off from them.
- 19:18Okay. And what during the argument at
- 19:22the light,
- 19:23what was it John doing?
- 19:26He was like I was I was telling them I
- 19:29was like, "Hey, don't come at me, you
- 19:32know, I'm not like this is Florida. You
- 19:35have a You have a three steps towards me
- 19:37or I can defend myself." Okay. You know,
- 19:40like if you can come at me three steps
- 19:42threatening, then I can defend myself
- 19:44because I don't know what you have or
- 19:46what you are doing. Right. Just as much
- 19:48as you don't you know, so.
- 19:50Did they have any weapons? Were they
- 19:53They were reaching, so I don't know if
- 19:55they did. How were they reaching? They
- 19:57were reaching in like in their pocket or
- 19:59in their pants like they did have
- 20:00something. Okay. But they never like
- 20:03openly displayed any weapon that you
- 20:05saw? I It looked like they were trying
- 20:08to grab one. That's what it looked like
- 20:09to me. Okay. But they never It looked
- 20:12like they were, but they never did?
- 20:14It looked like they were grabbing one,
- 20:16yeah.
- 20:17But did they ever grab one?
- 20:19I didn't see one, but I saw them
- 20:21grabbing. You saw them trying to get
- 20:22just for the record, if you actually saw
- 20:25a gun or a knife or anything? I just saw
- 20:27them grabbing and they were close enough
- 20:29to me where I didn't know I had to
- 20:31protect myself. Okay. So, you drove away
- 20:33to protect yourself?
- 20:34>> I did. Okay.
- 20:36And I guess
- 20:38back up a little more.
- 20:39Did you What did What was it John doing
- 20:42when they when they were approaching
- 20:44your car when the girl punched you? What
- 20:46was his reaction to all of this? I don't
- 20:48know. I wasn't paying attention. Okay.
- 20:52And
- 20:54as you're taking off,
- 20:56was anything said? Anything further
- 20:58said? Anything like that?
- 21:00I don't even know.
- 21:02I I drove off when I saw light turn
- 21:05green. Okay.
- 21:07Um
- 21:08So, what was I going to keep myself in
- 21:09that position?
- 21:11You said you took off. Did you cut them
- 21:13off to get away? Did you follow behind
- 21:15them?
- 21:16I went around them to get away. There
- 21:18was a turning lane and I went in the
- 21:20turning lane. Okay. And I turned.
- 21:23I can't remember if I turned at that
- 21:25light or I turned at a light to get away
- 21:27from them. And then that's when I heard
- 21:29cop cars and I saw a cop car in front of
- 21:30me and I was like, "Oh, crap." And I I
- 21:33just tried to pull off and we we smacked
- 21:36each other on the side. Okay.
- 21:39So,
- 21:42and what happened after you hit the
- 21:43officer?
- 21:44Or the officer hit you. What happened
- 21:46after that?
- 21:47I stopped. The my steering wheel um
- 21:51locked and I couldn't move my steering
- 21:53wheel at all. So, I the truck went where
- 21:55it went and I slammed on my brakes so I
- 21:57didn't Mhm. mess anything else up and
- 22:00then the cop came up to my vehicle and I
- 22:01put my hands up.
- 22:03Okay.
- 22:04Um
- 22:08Do you Are you Do you have a firearm?
- 22:11Like do you own a firearm? Anything like
- 22:13that? Nothing?
- 22:15Does John own a firearm?
- 22:17I don't know.
- 22:18Okay.
- 22:22So,
- 22:23you're you're you're leaving out a lot
- 22:25of key details.
- 22:27Okay.
- 22:31I'm just telling you everything that I
- 22:32know. Yeah, I get your you're probably
- 22:34scared. That's obviously something that
- 22:36will but I I mean I just had some girl
- 22:39come up and punch me in my face in my
- 22:41truck. And I I live in the country. I'm
- 22:44not the type of person that
- 22:46appreciates that. I you know, so I might
- 22:50defend myself when somebody is
- 22:52threatening me or I feel like my life is
- 22:54threatened. So, how did you defend
- 22:55yourself tonight? I drove off. You know,
- 22:58I I cuz I think she was mad that I
- 23:00opened my door when she came up to my
- 23:02door and she punched me in my face. Mhm.
- 23:05And what like when I was going out like
- 23:09it was an altercation. So, and
- 23:14I just defended myself. I'm not going to
- 23:16let somebody come up to me and hurt me
- 23:19and threaten me.
- 23:21So,
- 23:22I have the right to protect myself. I
- 23:25But you need you keep saying that, all
- 23:26right? Driving off is not necessarily
- 23:29protecting yourself. Protecting yourself
- 23:30that's just leaving the area, okay? How
- 23:33did you protect yourself? When she came
- 23:35up to the vehicle, I protected myself.
- 23:38How did you do that?
- 23:41I when she hit me, I I protected myself.
- 23:45I tried to get her away from me. Okay,
- 23:47so how did you try to get her away from
- 23:49you?
- 23:51I
- 23:52I just tried to get her away from me. I
- 23:53don't even know how Did you push her
- 23:56punch her? I didn't punch her. I know I
- 23:58didn't punch her. So, how did you try to
- 24:00get her away from you then? I was trying
- 24:02to I was
- 24:03maybe push I don't even know what I did.
- 24:05I was just trying to get her away from
- 24:06me. Just react with what you did. Like
- 24:09maybe it was push I don't know if it was
- 24:11pushing. I don't know how to I was just
- 24:13trying to get her away from me and she
- 24:15wouldn't. So, I'm
- 24:17Did she just eventually walk away or
- 24:21I I think maybe when she she did walk
- 24:24away that's when her mom came up to me.
- 24:26All I know is there was always somebody
- 24:28in my face. Okay. None of them was
- 24:30always in my face and when the light
- 24:32turned green, I tried to drive off.
- 24:35Okay.
- 24:36And that's the only thing you did to
- 24:37protect yourself?
- 24:41Were they outside of your car when you
- 24:43drove off? Like they were standing right
- 24:44there when you drove off? The guys were
- 24:46still outside of their car, yes, when I
- 24:48drove off when the light turned green.
- 24:50Okay.
- 24:51So, let me ask you just kind of changing
- 24:53directions, okay?
- 24:55You said you haven't known Don that
- 24:57long, is that correct? Not too long.
- 24:59Okay, what's not too long?
- 25:01Couple months, weeks?
- 25:03Few months. Few months.
- 25:05Do you love John?
- 25:09No.
- 25:10Okay.
- 25:12Are you trying to protect John?
- 25:15No, there's not really much to protect
- 25:17him from.
- 25:18I was protecting myself. Okay. Uh-huh.
- 25:21So, y'all haven't been in a relationship
- 25:23for 3 years? For 4 years?
- 25:30I've been with him Weren't there
- 25:31Facebook photos of both of y'all from 4
- 25:33years ago?
- 25:35I don't know.
- 25:36Weren't y'all last year celebrating your
- 25:393-year anniversary? I was in Google.
- 25:43Is that this dude?
- 25:45You told me his name was John.
- 25:50So, this
- 25:51Miss Bell? Is that Bella? Bella. Okay.
- 25:56I'm giving you
- 25:58an opportunity to be very honest with me
- 26:00tonight, okay?
- 26:02I want the whole story from start to
- 26:03finish what happened. John does not care
- 26:05what happens to you tonight.
- 26:07Okay? Don't forget
- 26:10All right, that's why I asked if you
- 26:11loved John cuz John doesn't seem like he
- 26:13seems to care about you.
- 26:17I need an honest from your side of the
- 26:19story
- 26:20what happened tonight.
- 26:21>> I told you what happened. I just
- 26:23defended myself.
- 26:25And what? She came up to my vehicle
- 26:28and I defended myself.
- 26:30That is what happened.
- 26:32Did you feel like your life was in
- 26:33danger? Yes, I did. There was four
- 26:35people coming out of that vehicle and I
- 26:38am one person one person with me.
- 26:41I know who who they are, what they have
- 26:44on them.
- 26:45>> Did John do anything to defend himself
- 26:47or you? Yes, he just defended to defend
- 26:51We had to defend ourselves. They were
- 26:52coming up to our vehicle.
- 26:54>> How did John defend?
- 26:57I I don't even know. He defended how he
- 26:59felt he needed to defend.
- 27:01I think you
- 27:02Just being honest with you, okay? I
- 27:04think you're real.
- 27:06And I think you're really scared to talk
- 27:07tonight.
- 27:09Okay?
- 27:15If you didn't do what had happened,
- 27:16John's already in trouble. You know
- 27:18that.
- 27:19Okay?
- 27:20You know that, right?
- 27:24I don't know.
- 27:25We defended ourselves.
- 27:27Okay, what did John do to defend? You
- 27:29can say I don't know. I know you know.
- 27:32Okay?
- 27:33He defended himself. How did he I do not
- 27:35know. We defended ourselves. Okay, and
- 27:36that's fine. If you felt like your life
- 27:38was in danger, that's okay. Okay?
- 27:41But how I need your honest story of what
- 27:43did you do to defend? What did John do
- 27:45to defend y'all? We defended ourselves.
- 27:47>> What What action did you take to defend?
- 27:50I don't know. I drove off.
- 27:52I That's all I remember is me driving
- 27:54off.
- 27:55And then there was cops.
- 27:58What did John do?
- 28:00He was He was in passenger to me. I was
- 28:02driving. You said John had to defend us.
- 28:04We had to defend ourselves.
- 28:06>> Okay. What action did you take to
- 28:08defend? Driving away is not defending
- 28:09yourself. That's
- 28:11You're removing yourself from a
- 28:12dangerous situation. That's not
- 28:13necessarily defending yourself.
- 28:19I'm saying when they came up to our car,
- 28:21we had to defend ourselves. And how did
- 28:23you do that?
- 28:25I defended myself with what I had on me.
- 28:28What did you have on you?
- 28:30Me.
- 28:36What What did you do? Did you push her?
- 28:38Did you punch her? I did not punch her.
- 28:41I tried to get her away from me. I don't
- 28:43know if I pushed her. I know I didn't
- 28:45swing on her. I know I didn't punch her.
- 28:47I tried to get her away from me. And
- 28:49then her mom came up to me and there was
- 28:50two dudes coming out of the car. There
- 28:52was a whole bunch of people coming out
- 28:54of the car.
- 28:56I didn't know what was going on.
- 29:08It's a very difficult situation when you
- 29:10have people coming at you. And I don't
- 29:12disagree. I I I don't know what they had
- 29:14on them. Like they were reaching for
- 29:16something.
- 29:17I didn't know what they had on them or
- 29:19who what type of person they were.
- 29:22Okay. So, obviously you felt like your
- 29:23life was in danger cuz from what you
- 29:25know they're reaching for something. And
- 29:27a And a
- 29:28a normal person thinks like well they're
- 29:30reaching for a gun or a knife, right?
- 29:33That's the realistic thing everyone
- 29:34thinks of.
- 29:38So,
- 29:39what you can you say I don't know I
- 29:42don't know. I need you to just sit there
- 29:44and try to remember
- 29:46what action did you and John take to
- 29:48defend yourselves?
- 29:58I defended myself.
- 30:00Was it worth killing somebody over? You
- 30:02know somebody died tonight. I would not
- 30:04know that. That's what y'all are looking
- 30:05at right now. So, either you're going to
- 30:07start telling us the truth or you're
- 30:09going to keep lying and dig yourself in
- 30:11a deeper hole. I did not I was defending
- 30:14myself.
- 30:15>> ourselves.
- 30:16Did she deserve to die? No. I I don't
- 30:19know that. Tell us what happened. Tell
- 30:20us about that. How did she die?
- 30:22I don't know. You were there.
- 30:27You were there.
- 30:29I defended myself. Somebody got out of
- 30:31their car coming at me. Okay. So, here
- 30:33here's how this flows.
- 30:35Okay. We have a female who's dead in the
- 30:37hospital.
- 30:39We have another female who looks like
- 30:41she's is to die too. That's two
- 30:42homicides.
- 30:44I need to know how did you defend
- 30:46yourself?
- 30:48I defended myself.
- 30:50>> Why is that?
- 30:52What is I defended myself?
- 30:55I was trying to defend How did these two
- 30:57females end up basically one female dead
- 31:00and I have another daughter who's
- 31:01probably about to die. I want to know
- 31:03what got us to that point. I think I
- 31:06need a lawyer.
- 31:08And I want my phone call, please.
- 31:11You can have that at the jail.
- 31:16Go with him now.
- 31:20You can bring her back.
- 31:32Anything else?
- 31:35You're just so worried you're getting
- 31:36charged with four counts of accessory to
- 31:38homicide.
- 31:43And one count of principal to homicide.
- 31:51Bela, let me check with Jeff Watson
- 31:53Ball. I'm not here to ask you questions
- 31:54or anything like that, okay? I'm just
- 31:56telling you what you're being charged
- 31:57with right now until I actually book you
- 31:58in and see.
- 31:59All right, so um before you go up to the
- 32:02jail,
- 32:03um and what was your last name, Bela?
- 32:05Bela. Can you spell that for me?
- 32:07>> B E L
- 32:10C C I I N N O Just like it sounds, huh?
- 32:16Yeah. And your first name Bela is B E L
- 32:18L A? It's I V I V Y
- 32:22B E L L A B
- 32:25E L L A,
- 32:26okay.
- 32:27And
- 32:30All right, I'm going to let you know
- 32:31what you're being charged with. You're
- 32:32being charged with one count of
- 32:33accessory to murder.
- 32:35Okay? Um
- 32:40accessory to the murder
- 32:46and three counts of accessory to
- 32:48attempted murder.
- 32:55So, I'm not going to be able to do bond
- 32:57until Monday?
- 32:59Um with these charges, you probably
- 33:00won't get a bond.
- 33:06I'm just being straight with you, okay?
- 33:11Do you have any other questions, by
- 33:12chance?
- 33:19I can't talk to you about the case
- 33:21unless you wanted to talk to the
- 33:23detective that was in here talking to
- 33:24you earlier.
- 33:27And um
- 33:29from what I heard, you live on Silver
- 33:30Lake Road?
- 33:32Homeless. Homeless, okay.
- 33:36Am I able to use the bathroom before
- 33:38We'll get somebody to come and get you
- 33:41to the bathroom, okay?
- 33:43You said they're going to throw me in
- 33:45Are they going to go to court tomorrow?
- 33:50You'll go to jail this evening and
- 33:52um you'll get a first appearance and
- 33:54um
- 33:56and then after that, you'll probably be
- 33:58in jail until
- 34:00the direction.
- 34:04I can't tell you when they I you know, I
- 34:06can't I don't know what your bond will
- 34:07be if they give you a bond or anything
- 34:09like that. I don't know. You know,
- 34:10that's
- 34:12totally with the judge.
- 34:16But from my past experience with these
- 34:18charges right here, your bond will be
- 34:20high or denied. In fact,
- 34:26All right.
- 34:29And then mean, any
- 34:31or anything like that?
- 34:41Can I get her to talk to AI? You want me
- 34:43to bring her back in here?
- 34:48Yeah. Okay.
- 34:49Just give me a few minutes. Um, we'll
- 34:51get you to the bathroom first, okay?
- 34:53Yes, please. Okay.
- 35:00Okay, then.
- 35:03Again, I'm Detective Joe Westfall, okay?
- 35:05I'm one of the detectives with the
- 35:07police department in Naples, sir.
- 35:09Um, Detective Brown asked me to come and
- 35:11talk to you earlier, and I know you
- 35:13asked for a lawyer previously, okay? And
- 35:17then prior to I go out the room, you
- 35:19said you wanted to talk to her again.
- 35:20Are you Are you wanting to talk to her
- 35:23about this case?
- 35:24Um, you want to talk to me, okay?
- 35:27Basically. All right. Um,
- 35:29like I said, the Miranda's read to you,
- 35:32um,
- 35:32then talked to you a little bit, and you
- 35:34asked for a lawyer. Are you willing to
- 35:35talk again?
- 35:37Yes. Okay. So, what I'm going to do, I'm
- 35:39going to read the Miranda to you again,
- 35:41okay?
- 35:42And then we'll swear you in, and then
- 35:44we'll go from there, okay?
- 35:46You um
- 35:48You have the right to remain silent, do
- 35:49you understand that? I need a verbal yes
- 35:51or no. I'm sorry. Um, anything you say
- 35:54can be used against you in court, you
- 35:55understand that?
- 35:56>> Yes. Okay. You have the right to talk to
- 35:58a lawyer for advice before we ask you
- 36:00any questions, do you understand that?
- 36:01>> Yes. Okay. You have the right to do have
- 36:03a lawyer with you during questioning, do
- 36:05you understand that?
- 36:06Okay. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one
- 36:09will be appointed for you before any
- 36:10questions, if you wish to, do you
- 36:12understand that? Yes. If you decide to
- 36:14answer questions now without a lawyer
- 36:15present, you have the right to stop
- 36:17answering at any time until you have
- 36:18consulted a lawyer, do you understand
- 36:20that?
- 36:21Okay. Are you willing to talk again?
- 36:23Yes. Okay.
- 36:24Um
- 36:26Raise Well, you can't raise your right
- 36:27hand. Um
- 36:29Do you swear to tell the truth, the
- 36:29whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
- 36:31Okay, did I hear yes? Yes. Okay.
- 36:34All right, well, um
- 36:36I heard a little bit of the conversation
- 36:38you was having
- 36:39um with the dispatcher
- 36:41um earlier.
- 36:42Um tell me
- 36:45what you wanted to talk about.
- 36:48Well, when they when they came out the
- 36:50car, that's when he shot at them because
- 36:52they came out at us. Okay, they came out
- 36:55at you?
- 36:56Okay. Well, first the passenger and then
- 36:59when all the other people got out,
- 37:00that's when he shot because they all got
- 37:02out towards us. Okay. Now, you
- 37:04understand there's a video of this whole
- 37:07incident? No, I didn't know. Okay. So,
- 37:11um now, what I saw is when he was
- 37:13driving around, that's when he shot. Is
- 37:15that
- 37:17accurate to what you you seen?
- 37:19>> No, I thought it was before. Okay. Or as
- 37:21we were going by, I don't know. As you
- 37:23were going by?
- 37:25Okay, did he say anything No. prior to
- 37:28shooting?
- 37:29Okay. They were coming at me. They were
- 37:32coming at you? Okay. They didn't get in
- 37:35the vehicle prior to you driving off?
- 37:37They didn't get in the vehicle, no.
- 37:39Okay. Now, I want you to think real hard
- 37:41about this, okay?
- 37:44You're behind them.
- 37:46Tell me from the beginning. You come up
- 37:47behind them.
- 37:48Okay.
- 37:50People get out of their their vehicle.
- 37:53Am I correct? Yes. Okay. First, it was
- 37:55the passenger behind the driver seat.
- 37:58She got out
- 37:59and came to my driver door.
- 38:01>> Okay. Was that a female or a male? A
- 38:03female. Okay. And she came to your
- 38:05driver's door? Yes. Okay. And when I
- 38:07opened the door, she punched me in my
- 38:09face.
- 38:09>> Okay. What was the conversation you
- 38:11prior to her punching you in the face?
- 38:14She was coming at me about cuz my mom
- 38:16was the one driving, I guess.
- 38:18So, she was upset. Yeah. What was she
- 38:21saying to you? Do you remember?
- 38:24I don't even know what she was saying.
- 38:25She was just
- 38:28All I know is something that that was
- 38:30her mom. That's the only thing I know.
- 38:32Okay. And she punched you in the face.
- 38:34Where'd she punch you with it?
- 38:36Just my
- 38:38left eye. Your left eye? Okay.
- 38:42And after she punched you in the face,
- 38:43then what happened?
- 38:45Then that's when everybody else got out
- 38:47of the vehicle. Mhm.
- 38:50And when they got out of the vehicle,
- 38:51did they approach your vehicle?
- 38:53The mom did, yes. The mom did? And the
- 38:55guy they started acting like they were
- 38:57going to walk towards and then they were
- 39:00they got back in the vehicle.
- 39:02>> They got back in their vehicle? And when
- 39:04the light turned green.
- 39:05>> Okay. And that's when they got back in
- 39:06their vehicle.
- 39:08Okay. So, after they get back in their
- 39:10vehicle and the light turns green, then
- 39:12what did you do?
- 39:14I drove around and then that's when the
- 39:16shots were already fired.
- 39:19The shots were already fired or was it
- 39:21being fired as you was going to buy
- 39:23them?
- 39:24I don't know. English. Who was shooting
- 39:26those shots? John. John?
- 39:29And where was he sitting?
- 39:31The passenger seat.
- 39:32>> The passenger seat? And you was driving,
- 39:33correct? Okay. The front passenger.
- 39:36Yeah. Okay.
- 39:38Okay. So, after the shots were fired,
- 39:42um
- 39:43was there any conversation you had with
- 39:45John?
- 39:46No.
- 39:48He wasn't yelling
- 39:50at you or anything like that? No. I just
- 39:53I I'm already made the turn cuz that was
- 39:55the turn to go home.
- 39:56>> Mhm.
- 39:58And then
- 39:59when I just I happened to see the police
- 40:01cars in front of me. Mhm.
- 40:04And when you seen the police cars in
- 40:05front of you, what what was going
- 40:07through your mind at that time?
- 40:08I was trying to pull over to
- 40:12like pull off to the side. Mhm. And that
- 40:15cop, I think he thought I was trying to
- 40:17just like go by him. Mhm. And we hit
- 40:21each other and then my steering wheel
- 40:22locked. Mhm. And I I just pressed on my
- 40:25brakes. Okay.
- 40:27Then
- 40:28you pressed on your brakes. Did you come
- 40:30to a complete stop?
- 40:33I can't brought me to a stop where my
- 40:35truck was right at I don't even know if
- 40:37I hit that car that was right there. I
- 40:40Now, did they get you
- 40:41Were you They get you out of the
- 40:43vehicle?
- 40:44That point
- 40:45>> up to the vehicle and I had my hands up.
- 40:48>> Now, prior to you hitting the officer
- 40:51the officer's vehicle
- 40:54did you know that officers were behind
- 40:56you at that time? No. I I once I heard
- 40:58the cop lights, I saw him in front of
- 41:00me. Mhm.
- 41:02I already made I thought I was already
- 41:03planning to go home and
- 41:05that was the turn to go home and then
- 41:07once I saw the cop car, I was already in
- 41:10the parking lot. Okay.
- 41:14If uh
- 41:15if John was shooting to protect to
- 41:17defend y'all, right? Did you Did any of
- 41:20you guys call law enforcement?
- 41:23It wasn't Did it seem like there was
- 41:25time?
- 41:28How many people were in the truck? Just
- 41:30me and him.
- 41:31Okay.
- 41:33Just the two of you?
- 41:37So, prior to John shooting at at the
- 41:40vehicle, did he say anything prior to
- 41:41that?
- 41:44Not that I recall.
- 41:47Did you have a gun?
- 41:49No. You didn't have a gun in the
- 41:50vehicle?
- 41:53Did you know John had a gun?
- 41:55No.
- 41:57Did he keep the gun in your truck if
- 41:59he'd been staying with you?
- 42:05Yeah,
- 42:06I guess I knew he had it. I just didn't
- 42:08really
- 42:11So
- 42:13All right.
- 42:14I was just saying that I didn't
- 42:17Right. And there's nothing wrong with
- 42:18that. That's perfectly legal to have it
- 42:20for protection.
- 42:21I guess the person who you knew he had a
- 42:23gun and he lives with you in the truck.
- 42:25So, the truck is the gun home
- 42:27essentially.
- 42:29Right?
- 42:32Where does he usually keep the gun in
- 42:34the truck?
- 42:37He still
- 42:38I don't know.
- 42:42I wherever it's safest. He usually has
- 42:45it on him.
- 42:46On him?
- 42:48Okay. Or home. I swear it's
- 42:51not a lot of It's not the first time
- 42:53people have tried to attack us.
- 42:56Have you ever seen him pull a gun on
- 42:58somebody else before? No.
- 43:00And once they came like we never had
- 43:02somebody come at me and lay their hands
- 43:04on me.
- 43:07So, where did he Did he have the gun on
- 43:10his
- 43:12uh tonight or tonight? It was in the
- 43:14truck. Okay. Was it like in the center
- 43:16console or
- 43:18>> in the side.
- 43:19Like the side of the door? Like the
- 43:21seat. Okay.
- 43:24Do you know what kind of gun this is or
- 43:25what it looks like?
- 43:28What does it look like?
- 43:30It looked like a pistol.
- 43:33I don't really know guns. I just know
- 43:35like pistols.
- 43:36>> What color was it?
- 43:38Black.
- 43:41So, did he after you guys were
- 43:44approached on you're driving away,
- 43:47when does he reach for the gun?
- 43:50I don't know. I just heard shots when I
- 43:53left. Now I'm sorry I didn't learn.
- 43:55Okay.
- 43:57Now, I want you to be truthful about
- 43:59this, okay? So, when you're sitting in
- 44:01the truck and then they that passenger
- 44:04gets out and approaches your truck,
- 44:06okay? You open the door, right?
- 44:09Prior to you opening the door, did John
- 44:11have a gun in his hand?
- 44:13He didn't have a gun in his hand then?
- 44:14You didn't remember seeing it then?
- 44:17So, when you get punched in the face,
- 44:19they go back to their vehicle,
- 44:22when the light turns green, you get back
- 44:24in the truck. Did you see John pull a
- 44:26gun then?
- 44:28No, I was I was I wasn't you know paying
- 44:30attention to when
- 44:33he pulled it. Did you hit their vehicle
- 44:35when you was driving around it? No, no.
- 44:39When did you first hear the shots?
- 44:42When I started driving.
- 44:45When you first started driving Mhm.
- 44:48When you started around their vehicle,
- 44:51going around their vehicle? When I
- 44:53started driving, that's when I just
- 44:55remember
- 44:59Look, we're not trying to hit you up on
- 45:00something, but we just need the truth.
- 45:01We have somebody that died, okay?
- 45:04We got another person that we don't know
- 45:05if he's going to make it.
- 45:08All right. I mean,
- 45:11is he your boyfriend?
- 45:14He is your boyfriend?
- 45:16How long you've been together?
- 45:17Not that long.
- 45:19What, a few months?
- 45:23Not two months,
- 45:25like about a year.
- 45:27Since August of last year.
- 45:30Is he hot-headed? No.
- 45:33He's not hot-headed? No, he's not. He's
- 45:36a protector. He's a protector?
- 45:40Do you think driving by a vehicle that
- 45:42people are already inside their vehicle
- 45:44not a threat to you at all?
- 45:47And then he decides he's going to
- 45:48discharge his firearm there and kill him
- 45:50somebody?
- 45:54Is that protecting? No, right. What do
- 45:56you mean you didn't know? You sitting in
- 45:58the truck driving.
- 46:00You're going around a vehicle, not a
- 46:03threat to you, not
- 46:04at all.
- 46:07They weren't a threat to you once they
- 46:08got back in their vehicle.
- 46:10I understand you got punched in the
- 46:11face. I don't know. They I feel like
- 46:13they had weapons on them there. I feel
- 46:15like they were about to grab something.
- 46:17How would you know they're inside their
- 46:18vehicle?
- 46:20I don't know. It was when they were out.
- 46:23When they were out, you got punched in
- 46:24the face. When you got punched in the
- 46:26face, did you see a gun in their hand?
- 46:27No. Okay.
- 46:30The light turns green, he gets back
- 46:31inside their vehicle, you decide to
- 46:33drive around their vehicle, all around
- 46:36their vehicle, okay?
- 46:38And then you shoot at them.
- 46:40Inside their vehicle.
- 46:43They were inside their vehicle.
- 46:49How can you say that's self-defense?
- 46:57I don't know why this all happened. All
- 46:58I know is what I told you. Okay.
- 47:04Do you feel bad for these victims? Yes,
- 47:06but
- 47:08I don't even know who it was. What would
- 47:10you tell the victims' family?
- 47:13I don't know what to tell them.
- 47:18Do you understand the situation you're
- 47:20in?
- 47:21I'm trying to.
- 47:26All for a guy that you've only known for
- 47:28a few months.
- 47:31And for a person to sit there and do
- 47:32what he did tonight, you can't sit here
- 47:35and tell me he ain't a hothead.
- 47:48You got anything else? Has he ever tried
- 47:50to protect you before? You said you guys
- 47:51have had to protect yourselves in the
- 47:52past. What happened with those?
- 47:58It's
- 47:59just somebody
- 48:01It was just some kind of just like, you
- 48:03know,
- 48:05not really enraged, but just just
- 48:07somebody just being rude.
- 48:09Trying to come at me and
- 48:11threatening me.
- 48:14Did John pull a gun on them then?
- 48:17No.
- 48:18I
- 48:20I had um
- 48:21I had a knife on me at the time.
- 48:24And I pulled it and I told him to not
- 48:26come near me.
- 48:27What time? Where did that happen at?
- 48:30It was about like
- 48:31It was at a campground that we were
- 48:33staying at and it was just like some
- 48:37crackhead and you know,
- 48:39it was I don't know. They were want They
- 48:40were trying to like take my stuff
- 48:42and steal from me, you know, and I
- 48:47So, when these officers pulled up behind
- 48:49you, did you would you assume that it
- 48:52was for you? That it was for what had
- 48:54just happened?
- 48:55I had just thought
- 48:57I don't even know. I I just remember
- 48:59seeing an officer in front of me.
- 49:03Okay.
- 49:04Was John telling you to drive faster to
- 49:06get out of here?
- 49:08Not that I remember. I was just I just
- 49:11made that turn cuz that's where we were
- 49:13going home.
- 49:14I heard the cop cars and by the time I
- 49:16realized that there was one in front of
- 49:17me
- 49:19and
- 49:21and we smashed together and my wheel
- 49:23locked.
- 49:27So, obviously John, you and John are
- 49:29facing some probably the most serious
- 49:31charges, right?
- 49:35Okay.
- 49:36This is obviously going to go to court,
- 49:38okay?
- 49:39When the judge and the attorneys and the
- 49:42jury are watching this interview,
- 49:44okay, cuz we're going to do search
- 49:45warrants, right? We are going to dig
- 49:47into your phones. We're going to dig
- 49:49into your truck. We're going to dig into
- 49:51you and John's past, okay?
- 49:54Is any of this not true?
- 49:57That you had just met John, that you
- 49:58have been off and on. Because here's
- 50:00what We've just been off and on for a
- 50:02while now. For years or months?
- 50:06Probably a few years now. Okay.
- 50:08Is there anything I know specially is
- 50:10that ties y'all to being together for
- 50:12years? Text messages, friends, because
- 50:14we're going to we we talk to everybody.
- 50:16Somebody's Somebody got killed tonight.
- 50:18We're going to do
- 50:20Okay. Is John your only friend then?
- 50:23Pretty much.
- 50:24Okay.
- 50:25And here's where I'm getting with this,
- 50:27okay?
- 50:28Here's a little bit
- 50:30when you lie, obviously, right?
- 50:34So when we start digging into these
- 50:35things, then we can take your story
- 50:37apart.
- 50:38If you know you get what I'm saying?
- 50:43I didn't know somebody died. So I know
- 50:45you know you know you know somebody
- 50:46died.
- 50:48What was the conversation you and John
- 50:49had in the truck?
- 50:51Where did you see him pulling the gun
- 50:53from?
- 50:54I didn't see him.
- 50:57But what did he say to you when you were
- 50:58driving off?
- 51:01I I don't really even know. I
- 51:05When you heard the shots, you didn't say
- 51:06what was that or anything like that?
- 51:09Like what are you doing?
- 51:11Or were you like, "Yeah, that's what I
- 51:13want. Shoot him up." No, I
- 51:16I don't even know.
- 51:28I don't know. I just remember hearing
- 51:30it. I I was always driving off and I
- 51:34And then I heard cop cars and
- 51:38When did you hear the cop car?
- 51:40When I turned down the street.
- 51:44So how come you didn't in, over and call
- 51:46911 and John just shot at this car.
- 51:50I don't know. It It all happened so
- 51:52fast. He was Is it cuz he knew what he
- 51:54knew was wrong?
- 51:59Let me ask you a question. Do you think
- 52:01what he did was wrong?
- 52:04In any way? I don't think somebody
- 52:07deserved to die. No, I just He was
- 52:10protecting me. I thought he was
- 52:12protecting me. But like my partner
- 52:14already said, they're already back in
- 52:15their vehicles.
- 52:19You can no longer claim self-defense
- 52:21when somebody has already left and
- 52:22they're getting back in their vehicles.
- 52:24Do you think what John did was wrong?
- 52:29I don't know.
- 52:38Do you care about this man?
- 52:44Yeah.
- 52:46Do you care about him enough to lie for
- 52:48him? No.
- 52:54I just don't know.
- 52:55I was just How old are you, Belle? 21.
- 52:5821.
- 53:00And like I said, we're not trying to hem
- 53:02you up with nothing, okay?
- 53:05But looking at the whole picture,
- 53:07y'all got yourself in a mess.
- 53:10And all we want is the truth. And when
- 53:12you go in front of a jury, like she
- 53:13says, in front of a jury, judge, and
- 53:15state attorney, they're going to want to
- 53:17see the truth. If you're If you're
- 53:19looked at as a liar, it doesn't It
- 53:21doesn't go good for you, okay?
- 53:24I know there was a conversation after
- 53:25after he shot the gun.
- 53:27He was probably telling you to keep
- 53:29running when the police pulled up behind
- 53:31you.
- 53:33It's probably better that you were
- 53:35driving cuz there's no telling what he
- 53:36would have done. Because he just shot at
- 53:38somebody, ain't no telling what he would
- 53:39have done.
- 53:43And thank God he didn't decide to start
- 53:45shooting at officers cuz both both of
- 53:47y'all would have been dead at this
- 53:49point.
- 53:59You're 21.
- 54:01And you're with a guy that just killed
- 54:03somebody.
- 54:05And what looks bad for you is is the
- 54:08fact that when police got behind you you
- 54:09got going.
- 54:13Were you scared of someone? Was he
- 54:15telling you to keep going? What was that
- 54:17conversation?
- 54:18I don't remember there being a
- 54:20conversation.
- 54:22I just So, you wanted to run from the
- 54:24police then. You wanted to leave these
- 54:26people bleeding out dead and dying. So,
- 54:28then what was the What made you want to
- 54:30keep going?
- 54:32I just don't know. I
- 54:34Now, let me ask you this, okay?
- 54:37We are going to go talk to John.
- 54:39Okay? Now, is John going to try to
- 54:41defend you as much as you're trying to
- 54:43defend him at this moment?
- 54:46When we throw these charges and when we
- 54:48when when we throw these charges in
- 54:50front of him,
- 54:52you think he's going to sit there and
- 54:53say,
- 54:54"Oh, I was trying to get her to stop. I
- 54:56was trying to do this and do that and do
- 54:57this."
- 54:59No, he's going to hell, no. He's going
- 55:00to say she kept running.
- 55:06When you see an officer in front of you,
- 55:07why didn't you just stop?
- 55:13No, I I I saw
- 55:15>> I can tell you why. I can tell you why.
- 55:17Cuz you're trying to get away.
- 55:19That's why you hit his vehicle.
- 55:21>> I I couldn't stop. That's why you hit
- 55:24his vehicle.
- 55:29That that at any point
- 55:31when the officers were were after you or
- 55:33whatever, coming behind you, when you
- 55:35see an officer right directly in front
- 55:38of you, that was a point if you needed
- 55:39to stop. Would you agree?
- 55:42I thought I tried. You thought you
- 55:44tried. You never slowed down. You never
- 55:47slowed down. What about when the
- 55:49officers are chasing you around the
- 55:50parking lot? Why didn't you stop then?
- 55:55I I just remember seeing the one in
- 55:57front of me.
- 55:59Okay.
- 56:00Well, here here's what we're looking at,
- 56:01Bella, okay?
- 56:03I This is 2025.
- 56:05Almost every inch of America is covered
- 56:07in a camera.
- 56:09Not only that, do we have police
- 56:10officers.
- 56:12Not only that, we have other witnesses.
- 56:14We have people that are staying in the
- 56:16hotel five floors up that watched the
- 56:18whole thing.
- 56:20You did not want to stop for the police,
- 56:21did you?
- 56:23Because you know that your boyfriend had
- 56:25just shot up the car.
- 56:28I didn't know he killed somebody. I
- 56:30didn't ask you if he killed somebody. I
- 56:31didn't ask you if you knew he killed
- 56:33somebody. You knew he had No, he shot up
- 56:35the car. You You just admitted that.
- 56:38Bella I didn't know he had shot at the
- 56:41car.
- 56:43Where did you think he was shooting at?
- 56:45The ground or something. It didn't seem
- 56:47I Okay, that's And how is that different
- 56:49than him shooting at You're defending
- 56:50yourself that he's shooting at the
- 56:52ground. How would that defend you if he
- 56:55killed him? Like the like the tires or
- 56:57something so they couldn't like fault
- 56:59like I thought. That's what I thought.
- 57:02Okay, regardless what he shot at, okay?
- 57:04We We can't unless that's what he shot
- 57:05at, okay? He shot a gun, okay? You know
- 57:08he shot a gun, right? Am I Am I correct?
- 57:11Okay. So, you know that's against the
- 57:12law. So, when you took off, you knowing
- 57:15him shooting a gun is against the law,
- 57:17right?
- 57:19You understand that? I Yeah, I did.
- 57:21Okay. So, you've got that in your head,
- 57:23okay? You know your boyfriend just shot
- 57:25a gun. I don't care less where where you
- 57:27thought he was shooting it at, but you
- 57:29know he shot a gun, right?
- 57:31Okay. So, when the police got behind
- 57:33you, what she's asking you when the
- 57:35police got behind you, you wanted to run
- 57:37because you knew he just got done
- 57:39shooting a gun. It doesn't I don't care
- 57:42what you thought he shot at. You ran
- 57:44because he just shot his gun.
- 57:48It's all on video. From the moment you
- 57:51your boyfriend shot that gun killing
- 57:54somebody, all the way up to the moment
- 57:56you got caught, every single bit of it
- 57:58is on video. So, you want to sit here
- 58:01and lie that you didn't know the police
- 58:03was behind you?
- 58:05They was right behind you.
- 58:09And then the one that was coming up in
- 58:11front of you,
- 58:14that's when I would have stopped.
- 58:16But, you took it upon yourself to ram
- 58:18him to get away.
- 58:23Was John telling you to get away? Did
- 58:25you want to stop and John was telling
- 58:26you to keep going?
- 58:30Cuz Bella, here's how the picture's
- 58:31painted for me in the court right now,
- 58:33okay? The picture's painted that you got
- 58:36pissed off at somebody on the road.
- 58:38Okay?
- 58:39You and John got mad enough where John
- 58:41shot up a car, even if you're saying you
- 58:44oh, I didn't know he shot up a car,
- 58:45regardless, you knew John had shot at
- 58:47this vehicle. After John shot this
- 58:49vehicle, you took off, ran from the
- 58:51police officers, rammed your car into
- 58:54the one of my fellow officers.
- 58:57Okay? All the way away to cover you and
- 58:59John. That's how the picture is painted.
- 59:03That's how it's going to look.
- 59:05You shot and killed somebody, tried to
- 59:07get away from it, and then you tried to
- 59:08ram an officer with your car.
- 59:14Bella, you're 21 years old. You will
- 59:16never get out of prison on these
- 59:17charges.
- 59:45>> Is there anything else you want to say
- 59:46to us, Bella?
- 59:50Okay.
- 59:53Are you sorry, Bella? Yeah, I I I
- 59:56I don't know. I really don't even know
- 59:59what's going on right now. How do you
- 1:00:00not know what's going on? I'm trying to
- 1:00:02process it and
- 1:00:06Well, I want you to what
- 1:00:08when you get to the jail, I need you to
- 1:00:10really process this whole thing.
- 1:00:15Okay.
- 1:00:17Cuz I'm going to tell you I'm going to
- 1:00:19tell you straight up. One person's dead.
- 1:00:22The other person that come and punch you
- 1:00:23in the face,
- 1:00:25we don't know if she's going to live
- 1:00:26through tonight.
- 1:00:28Okay?
- 1:00:29There was other vehicles struck by him
- 1:00:31and you.
- 1:00:33All right. And then you ran over a
- 1:00:35police officer.
- 1:00:38All of this is serious stuff, okay?
- 1:00:41Every bit of it serious. It's not a
- 1:00:42joke. It's not a dream. It's not a
- 1:00:44nightmare. It's real life right now
- 1:00:47here.
- 1:00:48You know? And if you're worried about
- 1:00:50John, well, you don't got to worry about
- 1:00:51him no more cuz you're probably never
- 1:00:53going to see him again.
- 1:00:57You know, all we're asking is for simple
- 1:00:59truth. If I know. If he told you to keep
- 1:01:01running, if he told you to keep running
- 1:01:03or whatever, then it is what it is. If
- 1:01:06not, if that's fine, too. You know, I'm
- 1:01:08not trying to put words in your mouth.
- 1:01:10All right. If you want to say here say
- 1:01:12you don't remember, we're not going to
- 1:01:13waste our time. We're going to leave out
- 1:01:15of here. I'm going to finish eating my
- 1:01:16pizza that I got in the room. It's
- 1:01:17getting cold right now. Then we're going
- 1:01:19to go talk to John. Then we're going to
- 1:01:21see what he has to say about you, okay?
- 1:01:24I think he did.
- 1:01:30It was me and Lauren. I just don't know.
- 1:01:32Okay.
- 1:01:33I don't I don't I don't want you to say
- 1:01:35probably, and I don't want you to tell
- 1:01:37me what I want to hear. I just can't
- 1:01:39remember.
- 1:01:40>> If you don't remember, that's fine,
- 1:01:41Bella. I'm not trying to put words in
- 1:01:43your mouth. You can't remember, you
- 1:01:44can't remember. That's fine.
- 1:01:45I know everything Everything Wait. No,
- 1:01:47everything's like real like I
- 1:01:50Everything's going really really fast,
- 1:01:52and I understand that. I understand that
- 1:01:54100%, but you know, I
- 1:01:57you know, just just our
- 1:02:00our experience usually when a female's
- 1:02:01driving, it's just got a male in the
- 1:02:02backseat. He's usually hollering, "Keep
- 1:02:04going. Keep going. Keep going." Okay?
- 1:02:06That's just our experience. But if
- 1:02:08that's you can't remember, then that's
- 1:02:09fine. That's fine.
- 1:02:13I don't want to put words in your mouth.
- 1:02:16Huh?
- 1:02:18You'll find out in the court. The driver
- 1:02:20is the one that died. The one that
- 1:02:21punched you in the face is the one
- 1:02:22that's struggling right now to to
- 1:02:24survive throughout the night.
- 1:02:28Mother and daughter.
- 1:02:30Mother and daughter.
- 1:02:32And the one that died today, guess what?
- 1:02:34Today was her birthday.
- 1:02:37Today was her birthday.
- 1:02:40So, happy birthday to her.
- 1:02:43I don't know.
- 1:02:47All right, Bella. We'll get you out of
- 1:02:48here here shortly.
- 1:02:50I'm so
- 1:02:51sorry. Mhm. I'm so sorry. You guys
- 1:02:53remember
- 1:02:54anything? I don't know.
- 1:02:56I'm just trying to process it all and do
- 1:02:59all of this
- 1:03:00trying to like
- 1:03:02tell you all or nothing. I'm just trying
- 1:03:04to remember what happened. I'm not
- 1:03:05asking you to Bella, okay? No, I know.
- 1:03:08I'm just I feel like y'all think I'm
- 1:03:10lying to y'all, but I'm just not.
- 1:03:12I I don't I'm just trying to remember
- 1:03:14what I remember. Like I got
- 1:03:16Well, forgive you a little bit and we
- 1:03:18come back, you think you think really
- 1:03:20hard. Okay?
- 1:03:22You think really hard about what
- 1:03:24happened tonight. You think really hard
- 1:03:25what like Detective Westall said. Don't
- 1:03:27make up stuff for us. If you really
- 1:03:29can't remember, you say so.
- 1:03:30>> remember it. Don't make it up. Don't
- 1:03:32tell us what we want to hear. If you
- 1:03:34can't remember, that's fine.
- 1:03:36It's okay.
- 1:03:38Everything was happening really fast and
- 1:03:39I understand it 100% like I told you.
- 1:03:43A lot of adrenaline is going on and so
- 1:03:45what that you're not hearing a lot of
- 1:03:46things, it's fine.
- 1:03:50I just don't want you to make sit here
- 1:03:52and think about it and make up some
- 1:03:53stuff cuz you won't that you think
- 1:03:55that's what we want to hear.
- 1:03:56>> want to try to bring something that's
- 1:03:58not true. That's fine. That's fine. I
- 1:04:00know that would get me in more trouble.
- 1:04:02Yeah, that's fine. Trouble that I'm
- 1:04:04already in. I just Okay, that's fine.
- 1:04:10That's fine. Hey, wait.
- 1:04:13Maybe I'm confused. We're going to touch
- 1:04:14base in a little bit, okay? Think Think
- 1:04:17from start to finish what happened,
- 1:04:18okay?
- 1:04:20And we'll be back in just a couple
- 1:04:21minutes, all right?
- 1:04:29In the end, this case moved far beyond
- 1:04:31the first chaotic moments on the
- 1:04:32roadway.
- 1:04:34What started as a confrontation between
- 1:04:36people in two vehicles
- 1:04:37>> [music]
- 1:04:37>> became a deadly shooting that took the
- 1:04:39life of Georgianna Garner,
- 1:04:41left her daughter Mary Lee Lewis
- 1:04:42critically injured, [music]
- 1:04:44and changed multiple families forever.
- 1:04:46For the surviving victims, this was not
- 1:04:49just a brief encounter in traffic.
- 1:04:51It became the moment that divided
- 1:04:52[music] life into before and after.
- 1:04:55For investigators, the case came down to
- 1:04:57what happened after that confrontation,
- 1:04:59the gunfire [music] that followed, the
- 1:05:01pursuit from the scene, and the evidence
- 1:05:03recovered along the way.
- 1:05:05Prosecutors later said the firearm
- 1:05:07[music] was thrown into a drainage ditch
- 1:05:08during the chase, recovered by police,
- 1:05:11and connected to the shooting through
- 1:05:13forensic testing. Jubal John Simmons
- 1:05:15[music] was ultimately found guilty of
- 1:05:17second-degree murder with a firearm,
- 1:05:19three counts of attempted second-degree
- 1:05:21murder with a firearm, two counts of
- 1:05:24shooting into an occupied vehicle,
- 1:05:25[music]
- 1:05:26and one count of discharging a firearm
- 1:05:28from a vehicle.
- 1:05:29He was sentenced to two consecutive
- 1:05:31[music] life terms, along with
- 1:05:33additional consecutive prison sentences.
- 1:05:35As of the available custody information,
- 1:05:37[music]
- 1:05:38Simmons was listed in Florida Department
- 1:05:40of Corrections custody. His
- 1:05:41co-defendant, [music]
- 1:05:43Ivy Bellet Encino, was also convicted.
- 1:05:46Prosecutors said [music] she was driving
- 1:05:47the truck as Simmons fired from it, and
- 1:05:50she was found guilty of accessory after
- 1:05:52the [music] fact charges and fleeing and
- 1:05:54attempting to elude.
- 1:05:56At sentencing, Encino received 15 years
- 1:05:58for accessory [music] after the fact and
- 1:06:0015 years for fleeing and attempting to
- 1:06:02elude, with those sentences running at
- 1:06:04the same time, followed by 5 years of
- 1:06:06probation. But for the people who lived
- 1:06:09through this case, the sentence does not
- 1:06:11erase what happened on February 22nd,
- 1:06:132025. [music]
- 1:06:15A road rage encounter lasted only
- 1:06:17moments. The consequences will last a
- 1:06:19lifetime.
- 1:06:21If you found this video informative,
- 1:06:22please consider leaving a like and
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- 1:06:30this one. Thank [music] you.
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