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Rifqa Bary, Islam, and Apostasy Part One The Qur'an and the Hadith — Transcript

by Acts17Apologetics David Wood · 1,571 words · 254 segments · language en · Watch on YouTube

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  1. 0:01[Music]
  2. 0:09if you've been following the rifka barry
  3. 0:11case you've probably noticed that both
  4. 0:13the media and muslim spokespersons have
  5. 0:15been denying the fact that according to
  6. 0:17muhammad the penalty for leaving islam
  7. 0:19is death now anyone who's studied the
  8. 0:22muslim sources knows that muhammad
  9. 0:24commanded his followers to kill
  10. 0:25apostates but don't take my word for
  11. 0:28this let me give you a quotation from
  12. 0:30one of islam's most prominent 20th
  13. 0:32century scholars abu alami said this
  14. 0:36to everyone acquainted with islamic law
  15. 0:39it is no secret that according to islam
  16. 0:41the punishment for a muslim who turns to
  17. 0:42kuffer or unbelief is execution doubt
  18. 0:45about this matter first arose among
  19. 0:47muslims during the final portion of the
  20. 0:5019th century as a result of speculation
  21. 0:53otherwise for the full 12 centuries
  22. 0:55prior to that time the total muslim
  23. 0:58community remained unanimous about it
  24. 1:02so mal duty holds that muslims only
  25. 1:05began questioning the penalty for
  26. 1:07apostasy at the end of the 19th century
  27. 1:10now why was there such an overwhelming
  28. 1:12consensus among muslims prior to that
  29. 1:14time
  30. 1:15well i hope to answer that question in
  31. 1:18three short videos in this first video
  32. 1:20i'm going to take you through the quran
  33. 1:22and the hadith and we'll see why there
  34. 1:23was no doubt about the penalty for
  35. 1:25apostasy for the first 12 centuries of
  36. 1:28islam
  37. 1:30the two primary sources of islamic law
  38. 1:32of course are the quran and the
  39. 1:34sunnah of muhammad muhammad's words and
  40. 1:37deeds which are recorded in the hadith
  41. 1:40the quran unfortunately is usually much
  42. 1:42less clear than the hadith and when it
  43. 1:45comes to the issue of apostasy it's in
  44. 1:47the hadith that we find clear definite
  45. 1:49unambiguous statements from muhammad
  46. 1:52there are however some quranic passages
  47. 1:55to consider let's look at three
  48. 1:58commentators such as mao duty argue that
  49. 2:00there's a command to kill apostates in
  50. 2:02surah 9 11-12 the passage reads
  51. 2:05but if they repent and keep up prayer
  52. 2:07and pay the pour rate they are your
  53. 2:09brethren in faith and we make the
  54. 2:11communications clear for a people who
  55. 2:13know and if they break their oaths after
  56. 2:15their agreement and openly revile your
  57. 2:17religion then fight the leaders of
  58. 2:20unbelief
  59. 2:22according to my duty when the passage
  60. 2:24refers to those who break their oaths
  61. 2:26it isn't referring to people who break
  62. 2:28political treaties but to those who
  63. 2:30become muslims then apostatize and verse
  64. 2:3312 tells muslims to fight such people
  65. 2:36i think that the quran is ambiguous here
  66. 2:39however i think a person could
  67. 2:40reasonably interpret the passage as
  68. 2:42referring to political treaties so
  69. 2:44there's nothing definite here concerning
  70. 2:46apostasy
  71. 2:48surah 16 106 is another interesting
  72. 2:50passage it says
  73. 2:53he who disbelieves in allah after his
  74. 2:55having believed not he who is compelled
  75. 2:56while his heart is at rest on account of
  76. 2:58faith but he who opens his breast to
  77. 3:00disbelief on these is the wrath of allah
  78. 3:03and they shall have a grievous
  79. 3:05chastisement
  80. 3:07without some background in islamic
  81. 3:09thought it may sound as if this is
  82. 3:11referring only to a future judgment when
  83. 3:13it says that the wrath of allah is on
  84. 3:15the apostates however in islam it's
  85. 3:18often the muslim community that carries
  86. 3:19out allah's wrath this is why muslims
  87. 3:21are called to fight christians and jews
  88. 3:24in surah 9 29 according to the next
  89. 3:26verse allah's wrath is upon us because
  90. 3:28of our beliefs therefore muslims have to
  91. 3:30fight us but here again i would say that
  92. 3:32the quran is ambiguous with respect to
  93. 3:35killing those who leave islam
  94. 3:38there are a couple of other passages we
  95. 3:39could consider here but it seems to me
  96. 3:42that the clearest quranic command to
  97. 3:43kill apostates is surah 4 89 which reads
  98. 3:47they desire that you should disbelieve
  99. 3:49as they have disbelieved
  100. 3:51so that you might be all alike therefore
  101. 3:54take not from among them friends until
  102. 3:56they fly their homes in allah's way but
  103. 3:59if they turn back then seize them and
  104. 4:01kill them wherever you find them
  105. 4:05here the quran refers to people leaving
  106. 4:07their homes to join the muslim community
  107. 4:09and it goes on to say but if they turn
  108. 4:11back
  109. 4:12then seize them and kill them wherever
  110. 4:14you find them this certainly sounds like
  111. 4:16a clear command to kill those who turn
  112. 4:19away from islam
  113. 4:22but if it's not clear enough many
  114. 4:23reports in the hadith leave no room for
  115. 4:26doubt there are six main collections of
  116. 4:28a hadith i have all of them right here
  117. 4:30so let's see what the ruling is on
  118. 4:32apostasy
  119. 4:34in sahih bukhari 69 22 muhammad declares
  120. 4:37whoever changed his islamic religion
  121. 4:39then kill him
  122. 4:41it doesn't get much clearer than that in
  123. 4:4569 30 muhammad says
  124. 4:47during the last days there will appear
  125. 4:49some young foolish people who will go
  126. 4:51out from their religion as an arrow goes
  127. 4:53out of the game so wherever you find
  128. 4:55them these people who will leave islam
  129. 4:57kill them for whoever kills them shall
  130. 4:59have reward on the day of resurrection
  131. 5:02so those who kill apostates will be
  132. 5:04rewarded by allah
  133. 5:06in 69 23 muhammad sends abu musa and
  134. 5:10jubal to yemen when muad arrives he
  135. 5:13finds an apostate in chains and here's
  136. 5:15what happened
  137. 5:16muad asked who is this man abu musa said
  138. 5:20he was a jew and became a muslim and
  139. 5:21then reverted back to judaism then abu
  140. 5:24musa requested muah to sit down but muat
  141. 5:26said i will not sit down till he has
  142. 5:29been killed this is the judgment of
  143. 5:31allah and his messenger and repeated it
  144. 5:33thrice
  145. 5:34then abu was ordered that the man be
  146. 5:36killed and he was killed
  147. 5:39in 69 21 we are specifically told that
  148. 5:42the penalty for apostasy applies to
  149. 5:44women as well it says ibn umar azuri and
  150. 5:47ibrahim said a female apostate who
  151. 5:49reverts from islam should be killed
  152. 5:53let's look at another collection
  153. 5:55muslim
  154. 5:56number 4154 reads
  155. 6:00allah's messenger stood up and said the
  156. 6:01blood of a muslim who bears the
  157. 6:03testimony that there is no god but allah
  158. 6:05and i am his messenger may be lawfully
  159. 6:07shed only in case of three persons the
  160. 6:10one who abandons islam and deserves the
  161. 6:12community and the married adulterer and
  162. 6:15life for life
  163. 6:16so apostasy is one of three reasons
  164. 6:19given by muhammad
  165. 6:21for killing someone who had become a
  166. 6:23muslim
  167. 6:25in sunan abu dawad 43 45 and 43 46 we
  168. 6:29read about an apostate named abdullah
  169. 6:30ibn saar muhammad commanded his follower
  170. 6:33his followers to kill abdullah
  171. 6:35interestingly his followers were more
  172. 6:37merciful than he was because they knew
  173. 6:39abdullah and didn't want to kill him so
  174. 6:40muhammad
  175. 6:42let him live due to the intercession of
  176. 6:44his followers but he was very angry with
  177. 6:46them for not killing the apostate as he
  178. 6:49had commanded
  179. 6:50in 43 47 muhammad says when a slave runs
  180. 6:54away and reverts to polytheism he may
  181. 6:56lawfully be killed
  182. 6:59turning to sunan on the side
  183. 7:0140 25
  184. 7:03muhammad once said to his followers
  185. 7:06after me there will be many calamities
  186. 7:08and much evil behavior whoever you see
  187. 7:10splitting away from the jamaa or trying
  188. 7:12to create division among the ummah of
  189. 7:14muhammad then kill him for the hand of
  190. 7:18allah is with the jama and satan is with
  191. 7:21the one who splits away from the ummah
  192. 7:26in 4040 we get an interesting comment on
  193. 7:29a very horrific incident muslim sources
  194. 7:32tell us about a group of apostates who
  195. 7:34apparently killed one of muhammad's
  196. 7:36shepherds and drove away one of his
  197. 7:38droveway's camels when muhammad caught
  198. 7:40them he burned out their eyes with hot
  199. 7:41pieces of metal chopped off their hands
  200. 7:43and feet
  201. 7:45left them in the sun to die and suddenly
  202. 7:47on the side someone asked muhammad's
  203. 7:49companion anas was the punishment for
  204. 7:52kuffer or for sin so were they tortured
  205. 7:55and killed because they left islam or
  206. 7:57because
  207. 7:58they killed the shepherd
  208. 8:00anas replied
  209. 8:02for kuffer for unbelief they were
  210. 8:04tortured and killed for leaving islam
  211. 8:08in germany eternity
  212. 8:101458 we read again that muhammad said
  213. 8:13whoever changes his religion then kill
  214. 8:15him and the context for this passage is
  215. 8:18that ali the fourth rightly guided
  216. 8:20caliph was burning people to death for
  217. 8:23apostasy
  218. 8:2625 35 muhammad says again
  219. 8:29whoever changes his religion execute him
  220. 8:32notice that we find the same thing in
  221. 8:36all
  222. 8:37six collections of hadith and we find
  223. 8:39even more when we turn to other muslim
  224. 8:40sources for instance in malik muwatta we
  225. 8:43find muhammad commanding his followers
  226. 8:45to chop off the heads of apostates in
  227. 8:48behaki's collection of ahadith we read
  228. 8:51a woman named umrahman apostatized then
  229. 8:54the prophet ordered that it would be
  230. 8:55better that she be offered islam again
  231. 8:57and then repent otherwise she should be
  232. 9:00executed
  233. 9:03notes elsewhere that the woman refused
  234. 9:05to return to islam and that she was
  235. 9:07therefore executed noticed that this was
  236. 9:10a woman
  237. 9:11putting all of this together there are
  238. 9:14passages in the koran which according to
  239. 9:15muslim commentators command muslims to
  240. 9:18kill apostates and sur 489 seems very
  241. 9:21clear on this point
  242. 9:24but the hadith are beyond dispute
  243. 9:26according to
  244. 9:27muhammad himself the penalty for
  245. 9:29apostasy is death and we have reports of
  246. 9:31muslims during muhammad's lifetime
  247. 9:34executing people for leaving islam now
  248. 9:37this should be enough to settle the
  249. 9:39matter
  250. 9:39but since western muslims are doing
  251. 9:42everything in their power to deceive us
  252. 9:43on this issue we're going to consider
  253. 9:45more proof in our next video stay tuned
  254. 9:52[Music]

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