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0:01You doing okay this morning?
0:03>> Yeah.
0:04>> Sorry to wake you up. Well, so my name's
0:06Tyler and this is Steve.
0:08>> This is 42-year-old Amy Velardi and for
0:11the last 8 years, she's been living with
0:14a terrifying secret [music] that these
0:17detectives are about to expose.
0:19>> I got assigned the case by the homicide
0:22that happened in Pendleton in 2015. So,
0:24we we'd like to talk to you.
0:27>> Oh my god.
0:28>> In 2015, Amy's parents and grandparents
0:31were found brutally murdered inside
0:33their family home and with no witnesses
0:36and no physical evidence connecting
0:38anyone to the murders, the case slowly
0:42goes cold.
0:45>> Say hi, Amy.
0:46>> Years after the homicides, Amy and her
0:49husband Ross had moved on spending their
0:51new found fortune on cars, a new house,
0:54and expensive exotic animals. But,
0:56unbeknownst to everyone, the killers had
0:58been closer to home all along.
1:01>> Amy's done what she promised she was
1:03going to do.
1:04>> And what had killed her?
1:06Deputies and stuff screwed up all the
1:07evidence.
1:08>> You're dead smack in the middle of this
1:10thing.
1:11>> But, we're not here because we think you
1:13did it or you might have did it, we know
1:15you did it. It's piling up, Ross. We
1:17don't want to roll the dice on this, I'm
1:19telling you.
1:24>> We have been following this case closely
1:26for several years working alongside
1:29police departments and legal experts to
1:30uncover every detail and bring you
1:33never-before-seen footage investigating
1:35South Carolina's most disturbing
1:37quadruple homicide.
1:40It's approximately 10:30 a.m. on a
1:42Monday morning just after Halloween when
1:45the Anderson County Sheriff's Office
1:47receives a frantic 911 call from what
1:49sounds like a house of horrors.
1:52>> Anderson County 911, what's the location
1:54of the emergency?
1:55>> Oh my god. I need somebody
1:58>> Ma'am, I can't understand you. What
1:59What's your address?
2:00>> 22717 Redbud Road.
2:03>> Ma'am, ma'am, tell me what's going on.
2:05>> Oh my god.
2:06Oh my god.
2:07>> Is somebody hurt? Ma'am, I can't
2:10>> And my mom is home and they're they're
2:12dead. Like, there's blood everywhere.
2:15>> Who are these people that are in the
2:16house?
2:17>> It's my mom and my grandpa and my granny
2:20and my stepdad.
2:22>> On the line is 32-year-old Amy Willard
2:25reporting that her entire family has
2:27been murdered. Within minutes, deputies
2:30rush to the home where the scene
2:32awaiting them would be even more brutal
2:34than Amy had led them to believe.
2:40Once officers step inside, they discover
2:44three victims. Mike Scott, Barbara
2:47Scott, and Violet Taylor lying deceased
2:51on the living room floor.
2:53Several feet away, inside a bedroom,
2:56lies the fourth and final victim, Kathy
2:59Scott. Each family member appears to
3:01have suffered multiple stab wounds and a
3:04single gunshot wound to the head. As
3:06crime scene investigators begin
3:08processing the home, they discover a
3:10trail of shoe prints, a Clorox bleach
3:13bottle sitting in the kitchen sink, and
3:15two cell phones discarded outside. The
3:17only significant clues left behind by
3:20whoever carried out this brutal attack.
3:22Back outside, deputies speak with the
3:25911 caller, Amy. She tells officers that
3:28she and her husband, Ross, live next
3:30door and became concerned after her
3:33mother, Kathy, failed to take her dog
3:35outside this morning. When Amy went to
3:37check on her, she says that's when she
3:39discovered the bodies of her parents and
3:42grandparents.
3:44After clearing the entire house and
3:46finding no murder weapon and very little
3:48physical evidence left behind,
3:50investigators grow increasingly
3:52concerned they're dealing with a
3:54ruthless and calculated killer, and that
3:57these may not be his first victims. At
4:00this stage, the only people on the
4:02investigators' radar are Amy and Ross,
4:05seemingly grieving relatives of the
4:07victims. However, later that evening, as
4:10news of the Scott family murders spreads
4:12across Anderson County, Amy's
4:15ex-husband, Neil, contacts police with
4:18some interesting information.
4:21>> Said you were married to Amy previously?
4:24>> I was her first husband.
4:26I believe she's capable of this. I say
4:28that because while we were married, she
4:30tried to stab me.
4:31>> What brought on y'all's separation? The
4:33fight or
4:34>> Oh, actually that was one of three
4:36fights. One, she just tried to charge
4:38me, tripped her and laid her down on the
4:39ground, then when I went back after me.
4:41The other time was a knockdown, drag-out
4:43where I was told she hit me in one of my
4:45fans with a ball bat. I don't remember
4:47that. So, the separation was on adultery
4:49charges.
4:50>> Did you get knocked out or something?
4:51>> I blacked out.
4:53>> Listen, Neil, I appreciate you calling
4:54in, and I'll keep your information
4:56handy.
4:57>> Amy's violent history places her under
4:59suspicion, but that soon becomes the
5:02least of detectives' concerns, as she
5:04and Ross begin behaving in ways no
5:06genuinely grieving couple ever should.
5:13On Wednesday morning, acting on
5:15information from Amy's ex-husband,
5:17investigators quickly secure a search
5:19warrant for Amy's trailer and rush over.
5:22The moment they step inside, they're
5:25struck by a peculiar smell, one eerily
5:28similar to what they encountered at the
5:30murder scene. As the search continues,
5:33detectives uncover an unusual amount of
5:36cash, $68,000
5:39bundled inside a bedroom safe, along
5:41with 18 firearms, all of which are
5:44seized [music] as potential evidence.
5:47Considering Amy and Ross's modest
5:49lifestyle, this discovery immediately
5:52raises questions. After clearing the
5:54trailer, investigators ask Amy and Ross
5:57to come to the station for an
5:58opportunity to clear their names. And
6:00interestingly, both agree, almost as if
6:03they've been expecting this very moment.
6:06Once Amy and Ross arrive at the station,
6:08they're immediately asked if they're
6:10willing to undergo a polygraph test,
6:12something rarely requested of witnesses.
6:15Ross agrees and is the first to take a
6:17seat. But before asking about the
6:19murders, the examiner would begin by
6:22trying to better understand the man
6:23sitting across from him. And Ross is
6:26about to reveal something from his past
6:28that makes him almost impossible to
6:31break.
6:32>> This is This is Mr. Lark.
6:33>> I'm polygraphing them. I'm not law
6:36enforcement in any way, shape, or form,
6:38or fashion.
6:38>> I do a lot of tests for law enforcement,
6:40but I don't have a gun or a badge.
6:42>> Any medical problems you know about?
6:45>> Uh physical or
6:47um nothing physically wrong. Um
6:49>> Any medical problem?
6:51>> I am rated for 30% uh for PTSD.
6:54>> Were you actually in combat or
6:56I know you had embassy duty. Some
6:58combat?
6:58>> Yeah, that that was my last 3 years. My
7:00first 2 and 1/2 I was infantry unit.
7:03>> So you was in combat first 2 and 1/2
7:04years you were there?
7:05>> Yeah, like it I only did one deployment,
7:08so it's not like I did like back-to-back
7:09deployments.
7:09>> So that you did one deployment in
7:11combat?
7:12>> Yes, sir.
7:12>> Were you in Iraq?
7:13>> Correct, Iraq.
7:15>> Now you you've been in the range, you
7:16know what a gunshot sounds like. Now you
7:18know what you know what screaming and
7:20everything sounds like.
7:22>> Oh, yeah.
7:22>> Uh you hear anything that was out of the
7:25ordinary?
7:25>> Not out of the ordinary.
7:27Amy sleeps with our television on.
7:29>> Uh-huh.
7:30>> I I hate to think that that would be the
7:32reason why I wasn't able to go save
7:33someone.
7:34>> Like Amy hadn't done do this?
7:36>> No, I don't think she had anything to do
7:38with this.
7:39>> Although Ross steers detectives away
7:42from Amy, his own background has started
7:45to draw attention to himself. Ross spent
7:485 years in the Marine Corps. During that
7:50time, he received extensive hand-to-hand
7:52combat training with knives, along with
7:54specialized instruction on how to resist
7:56interrogation if ever captured by the
7:59enemy. Realizing this, the examiner
8:01would allow Ross to share his thoughts
8:03on who could be responsible. And his
8:05answer would be unexpected, to say the
8:08least.
8:09>> Who do you say did this?
8:13>> I'm just I have no freaking clue.
8:15>> Do you know it?
8:16>> Did I know it? No.
8:18>> And what you got to tell them?
8:20>> There's three possible scenarios that
8:23>> Okay.
8:23>> Um
8:23>> Hold on.
8:25>> One, Mike deals in a lot of gold. Um
8:29he buys and sells gold. Um he buys and
8:32sells guns. And he buys and sells video
8:34games and stuff like that. And maybe
8:36maybe someone was [music] disgruntled
8:38with a sale.
8:40Um or maybe someone noticed that
8:43you know, he dealt in a lot of this
8:45stuff and
8:46figured they'd cash in. I You know,
8:48that's
8:49>> Okay.
8:49>> You know, that's one scenario that could
8:51be a Yeah, slight possibility. Uh the
8:54other one, um
8:56>> [music]
8:56>> I think it was Tuesday or Wednesday of
8:58this past week.
9:00Um
9:01>> Okay.
9:01>> He had mentioned to me that he had seen
9:05um Amy's ex.
9:06>> Huh?
9:07>> Amy's ex-husband
9:09kind of skulking around. Um and then the
9:11third [music] thing that I've um kind of
9:14been thinking over the last um
9:16couple of hour Well, not couple hours,
9:18but the last 24 is
9:21the last couple of weeks, Mike has an
9:24Mike kind of has like a weird habit
9:26where he'll just kind of walk up to the
9:27end of the driveway and he'll just make
9:29you know, kind of make a couple of
9:31circles and kind of
9:33look back and forth. And then he'll go
9:35go and walk up the road. So, don't know
9:37if that's something that is real
9:39suspect. I don't know if that's
9:40something that's relevant, but at this
9:42point, you know, the detectives are
9:44telling me, "Hey,
9:46Yeah, think of anything that might be
9:48out of the ordinary."
9:49>> Unsurprisingly, none of Ross's theories
9:52involve himself or Amy, but now it's
9:55time for the polygraph, and detectives
9:57are about to find out whether years of
9:59Marine training are enough to help Ross
10:01beat it.
10:02>> In any of your Marine training, you
10:03you've all been taught about Have you
10:05got captured or anything about the
10:07polygraph or anything?
10:08>> If you get caught, captured, or
10:09whatever, you give your name, your rank,
10:11social security number, blah, blah,
10:12blah. Don't give any other information,
10:14so on and so forth.
10:16>> Did you live in South Carolina?
10:18>> Yes.
10:19>> Regarding physically harming any of
10:20those people, do you intend to answer
10:22truthfully each question?
10:23>> Yes, sir.
10:24>> Before last year, did you ever
10:25intentionally harm anyone?
10:27>> No, sir.
10:28>> Did you physically harm anyone in that
10:30house?
10:31>> No, sir.
10:32>> Is there something else you're afraid of
10:33last year's question about?
10:35>> No, sir.
10:36So, you kept calling it a test. Did I
10:38pass my test?
10:40I was just joking. I said, "You keep
10:41calling it a test, you know, did I pass
10:43my test?"
10:48>> The examiner gives nothing away, leaving
10:50Ross in the dark about whether he passed
10:52or failed his polygraph. Meanwhile, Amy
10:55is brought into another room for her own
10:57test. Like Ross, she's about to be asked
11:00who she believes is responsible for her
11:02family's murders, and her answer would
11:05shift suspicion to someone already
11:07familiar to investigators.
11:09>> This is probably going through your head
11:11a million times since then. Tell me Tell
11:13me what your theory is.
11:15>> A lot of different scenarios have went
11:17through my head.
11:18>> Mhm.
11:19>> My uh my ex-husband
11:23and did not have a good relationship
11:24with my parents.
11:26>> Mhm. Can you think of a motive why he
11:28would be involved in something like
11:30that?
11:31>> My mom and stepdad were pushing him for
11:34child support. We're pushing him to take
11:36care of his son and
11:38>> Okay.
11:39>> And was not doing that.
11:41>> Okay.
11:42Tell me why you would not be involved in
11:44something like this.
11:46>> I love my family.
11:49I love them.
11:50There's no way that I can and especially
11:53the scene that was in there, I could
11:55never do that kind of thing.
11:57>> Okay.
11:58>> Although Amy attempts to steer
12:00detectives towards her ex-husband
12:02Daniel, they have no evidence linking
12:05him to the murders and are not
12:06considering him a suspect. But now it's
12:09time for the test. Unlike Ross, she's
12:11never been trained to withstand the
12:13pressure of a high stakes interrogation
12:14[music]
12:15and as far as she knows, both her future
12:18and Ross's depend entirely [music]
12:21on her results.
12:23>> Okay, please sit still. The test is
12:25about to begin.
12:27Are the lights on in this room?
12:29>> Yes.
12:31>> Regarding whether you were involved in
12:33the deaths of any of those people in
12:35that double-wide, are you going to tell
12:36me the [music] truth today?
12:38>> Yes.
12:39>> Were you present when any of those
12:41people in that double-wide were shot?
12:44>> No.
12:46>> Did you cause any of those injuries to
12:48any of those people in that double-wide?
12:50>> No.
12:51>> Do you know the name of the person who
12:53caused any of those injuries to any of
12:55those people in that double-wide?
12:58>> No.
12:59>> You may not be entirely satisfied with
13:03the way things are going.
13:05>> No.
13:05>> Right now.
13:06>> No, I do not.
13:07>> Well, I'm just going to tell you right
13:09up front, you failed the crap out of
13:10this polygraph.
13:11>> No.
13:11>> Okay. There's no doubt in my mind that
13:14you are involved in some way, shape or
13:18form in this. Okay.
13:19>> Great.
13:20>> And it wasn't even close. It wasn't even
13:23close. I mean, you failed the cowboy dog
13:26[ __ ] out of this test. You could not
13:28have done any worse. Their theory is
13:31that you're dead smack in the middle of
13:33this thing and Ross is dead smack in the
13:35middle of it.
13:36>> Well, didn't Ross pass it is?
13:38>> No.
13:39Hell no. No, he didn't pass it.
13:43>> If you go smoke and come back and talk
13:45to us.
13:46>> Um, I would like to go talk to my lawyer
13:49in their office next.
13:51Take your time.
13:52>> Let me ask you this.
13:55My goal every time I do this is to be
13:58fair.
13:59Do you think I was fair to you today?
14:02Okay.
14:03Thank you. I appreciate that.
14:05>> In reality, from this moment on, Amy
14:08would hold a grudge against the
14:09examiner. One that would stay with her
14:12for years. Despite failing the
14:14polygraph, the results alone aren't
14:16enough to prove guilt. Without a
14:18confession or physical evidence,
14:20detectives have no choice but to let the
14:22couple go. And before long, the
14:25investigation comes to a halt.
14:30As weeks turn into months, leads begin
14:33to dry up and the case eventually goes
14:36cold. For a time, Amy continues giving
14:40public interviews pleading for the
14:41killer to be found. But behind closed
14:44doors, life goes on for Amy and Ross and
14:47it appears they've put the tragedy
14:50behind them.
14:52After inheriting the family's home, the
14:55couple begins renovating the very place
14:57where the murders took place. Once the
14:59work is complete, they move in and
15:01settle into a comfortable new life
15:03benefiting from the money left behind by
15:06[music] the victims. During this time,
15:09Ross would spend nearly $40,000 on a
15:11Dodge Ram, a Mustang, [music]
15:13two Harley-Davidson motorcycles, and a
15:16Yamaha personal watercraft. Eventually,
15:19the couple would sell the home and move
15:21to West Columbia, South Carolina. All
15:24the while, they would keep the truth
15:25hidden not only [music] from
15:27investigators, but also from their own
15:29children, who were still too young to
15:31understand where all this new found
15:33fortune [music] had come from.
15:35>> Hey, I'm a little nervous.
15:36>> Honey, I'll show you some.
15:37>> Yeah, see you. Hope you
15:39>> little nervous.
15:45>> It's now 2023, and in an unexpected
15:48twist, the television series Cold
15:51[music] Justice approaches the Anderson
15:53County Sheriff's Office with the hope of
15:55finally solving the case. And 8 years
15:57later, the investigation is officially
15:59reopened.
16:00>> [music]
16:01>> Detective Tyler Duncan is assigned
16:03alongside veteran investigator Steve
16:05Spingola, and together, they're tasked
16:08with re-examining every piece of
16:09evidence collected [music] back in 2015.
16:12And as he scrolls through years of
16:14Facebook posts, [music] he comes across
16:16something unexpected, a video the couple
16:20would soon regret not deleting. Without
16:23this recording, detectives might have
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18:16>> You guys keep calling the police.
18:18>> Okay.
18:18>> And you guys keep making calls.
18:20>> I did not call no police. I don't know
18:22anything.
18:22>> Yes, you might call the police on us
18:24last today.
18:25>> I don't know what day it is. That's all
18:27right.
18:28>> He's making calls for Amy and I, not
18:30only for us personally,
18:31>> Amy and me, not Amy and I.
18:34Amy and me.
18:35If you don't know English, stay in it.
18:38>> Wow.
18:39>> Wow.
18:40Hold on. Let me go get my grandmother,
18:42who's actually an English teacher, and
18:44we'll find out who's correct.
18:45>> Okay.
18:46>> Why don't you have Grandma come on out
18:47here real quick?
18:48>> I don't think your grandma wants to deal
18:49with this [music] trash. No. This is
18:52ridiculous at this point.
18:54>> Dad, you don't know do-do from diapers?
18:57>> Yeah, that's right, Jamie. I'm a little
18:59slow.
18:59>> I'll show you some.
19:00>> Yep. See you. Hopefully you got
19:03>> This footage completely contradicts the
19:05story Amy and Ross had been telling
19:07police for years, becoming the first
19:09major lead Detective Duncan believes
19:12could finally crack the case. [music]
19:13And so, after 8 years with virtually no
19:17progress, detective Duncan prepares to
19:19pay Amy and Ross a visit. A couple who
19:22have spent nearly a decade believing
19:24they got away with murder. But what
19:26detective Duncan is about to do is not
19:29without risks. Knowing the couple had
19:31already lawyered up in the past,
19:33detectives know they have only one
19:35chance to get this right or risk the
19:37case going cold for good.
19:41On December 11th at 8:00 a.m., detective
19:43Duncan and Spingola head to Amy and
19:45Ross's new home in West Columbia, South
19:47Carolina, more than 100 miles from where
19:50the murders took place. Once they
19:52arrive, the people inside the house have
19:54no idea their lives are about to be
19:57turned upside down forever.
20:00>> You ready?
20:00>> Let's go.
20:12>> There we
20:13There we go.
20:14>> Hey.
20:15>> Hey, let's go.
20:15>> Hey, Ross.
20:17I'm Tyler Duncan. I'm with Anderson
20:18County Sheriff's Office. This is Steve.
20:20>> Hi, guys.
20:21>> Let's go.
20:21>> Um so, we're I got assigned the case
20:24about the homicide that happened in
20:25Pendleton in 2015.
20:27>> Okay.
20:27>> And uh so, I'm trying to go around
20:30basically start from the beginning and
20:32since Amy Is Amy here?
20:33>> She is. Yeah, she is.
20:34>> So, since she's the one that called 911,
20:36I think you were there also. Um
20:37>> Yeah, well, I mean, I should have just
20:39after she called 911.
20:40>> Okay.
20:40>> Yeah.
20:41>> So, we we'd like to talk to you. Um
20:43we're kind of starting from the
20:44beginning of the case and going back
20:45through.
20:46>> Yeah, I mean, my house is a mess right
20:48now.
20:48>> Well, that's what we can actually go
20:49>> I just get We're sitting in
20:50>> We can get to sit in the car here and uh
20:52talk to you.
20:52>> minutes in there.
20:53>> All right. Do you want to talk to us
20:55both at the same time?
20:56>> We'll talk to you separately and we'll
20:58talk If you want to come on out, we'll
20:59talk to you and then we can talk to her.
21:01>> Okay.
21:04>> After Ross steps out of the house and
21:06walks towards the detectives vehicle.
21:08All three men know this could very well
21:11be their final standoff. The detectives
21:14have the element of surprise and the
21:16couple's unsettling digital footprint,
21:18while Ross relies on a rock-solid story
21:21backed by years of Marine training. The
21:23stakes have never been higher as the
21:25couple's future now rests entirely in
21:29Ross's hands.
21:31>> Did we wake you up?
21:33Oh, I'm sorry.
21:37So, if you just want to start from the
21:38kind of the beginning of what you
21:40remember and and we'll go from there.
21:42>> All right.
21:43>> Um
21:45>> Well, listen, I'm cuz that was quite a
21:48while ago. Um
21:49>> I went out to run my errands. I didn't
21:51really notice anything um
21:54out of the ordinary
21:56that I could see or you know, that
21:58morning. When Amy got up, she noticed
22:01that her mom's dogs had not been taken
22:04out yet.
22:05Which was weird cuz her mom takes her
22:07dogs out every morning.
22:09So, so she went out there to
22:11see why her mom's dogs hadn't been taken
22:14out.
22:14Um
22:16She let her mom's dogs out into the dog
22:18run
22:20and
22:21she went up to the
22:23house to
22:24you know, knock on the door, see if her
22:26mom maybe wasn't feeling well, see if
22:28something was going on that she didn't
22:30you know, didn't [clears throat] tell me
22:31about. So, she opened it up, walks in
22:36and
22:37that's when she apparently
22:38[clears throat]
22:39found the scene that she found.
22:42Um
22:43she went bolting back out of the house.
22:46Uh
22:48I believe that's when she made the call.
22:49I think she called 911 before she called
22:51me, if I
22:52remember correctly.
22:54>> From the start, detectives immediately
22:56notice a few things. Ross struggles to
22:59maintain eye contact and the story he's
23:01telling is one they've already partially
23:04verified. On the day of the murders,
23:06surveillance footage captured Ross at a
23:08nearby QuickTrip, seemingly supporting
23:10his account. But what appeared to clear
23:12Ross of suspicion 8 years earlier would
23:15eventually become one of the strongest
23:17pieces of [music] evidence against him.
23:21For now, Ross's story matches his
23:24original account. But as he continues
23:25[music] talking, small changes would
23:28begin to emerge, giving detectives an
23:31unexpected lead.
23:32>> Can you describe, I guess, your kind of
23:34your relationship with with Mike and
23:36Kathy?
23:36>> Yeah, so um at first when uh
23:40uh when Amy and I first started dating,
23:42um
23:43uh my relationship with Mike was really
23:45great, actually. Kathy is one of those
23:48people that
23:50if you don't understand her, she's hard
23:52to swallow. But I mean, overall, I'm I
23:56mean, she was a really good person, I
23:58think. Um it's like just some of her
24:00mannerisms were a little bit
24:03we'll say fun.
24:05There was a couple things that kind of
24:06were red flags, but I don't know if they
24:08have anything to do with this or not.
24:11Um one of them was
24:14at really weird times and weird hours of
24:16the day and night,
24:19I would see Mike
24:21walking around the perimeter of the
24:23property talking to himself. And
24:25something like this,
24:27what do [clears throat]
24:28where does your investigation normally
24:30What do you guys normally follow in
24:32cases?
24:33>> [music]
24:34>> TV shows that I watch
24:36always say, "Follow the money."
24:38>> [music]
24:38>> Right?
24:40That That's one of the biggest things.
24:41Follow the money
24:43and you find out where the real motives
24:46are.
24:47>> Interestingly, this follow the money
24:50approach will prove to be the key to
24:52solving the case, but not in the way
24:54Ross thinks. After a few more minutes,
24:57Ross's interview comes to an end and
25:00he's asked to let Amy know it's her
25:02turn. As detectives wait for her, they
25:05know the last time Amy spoke to law
25:06enforcement, she sat silently as they
25:09angrily confronted her over failing a
25:11polygraph test. But now, Amy's attitude
25:14would be very different and detectives
25:16are about to see how eight years of
25:18carrying a terrifying secret had changed
25:21her.
25:23>> Who's the victim?
25:24>> I got that very quickly.
25:26>> Yep.
25:26>> Very quickly and
25:28and he goes on and on and on. Benefits
25:30from this one.
25:31>> Excellent.
25:32>> But follow the money.
25:33>> Follow the money.
25:35>> You could tell that he's
25:36>> Yeah, I saw him.
25:37>> [music]
25:37>> Yeah.
25:37>> And crying and you know
25:38>> And every time he's talking
25:41he would look and then when he would go
25:42to answer and and again I don't I don't
25:44but but he can't look at you in the in
25:46the face.
25:47>> His timeline is extremely off.
25:51>> You can just hop in the passenger seat.
25:55Okay. Well, we can
25:57we can stand outside.
25:59You doing okay this morning?
26:00>> Yeah.
26:01>> Sorry to wake you up. Well, so my name's
26:03Tyler, this is Steve.
26:04>> you?
26:05>> But when we start with a case, you know,
26:07we're considered a cold case, we want to
26:09start from the beginning. That's how I
26:11operate. I hope you have no bad feelings
26:13with me. Um
26:14I'm sorry that the maybe the county or
26:16somebody has has irritated you. I can
26:18only imagine.
26:19>> Irritation, you know, you get pretty
26:21irritated about
26:23lies
26:24>> I understand.
26:25>> and stuff going around
26:26>> everything else and how that affects
26:27your children.
26:29>> Certainly.
26:29>> And
26:30>> But we're we're trying to do right by
26:31your mother, your grand your grandmother
26:34and then obviously Mr. Scott and and his
26:36mom. So
26:37>> I don't know if y'all are
26:42redoing it and y'all going to do it
26:43justice and that would be wonderful.
26:46>> Despite Amy claiming she's okay with the
26:49case being reopened, her defensive
26:52demeanor tells detectives otherwise.
26:54After reviewing the original case file,
26:56Detective Duncan knows that confronting
26:59Amy directly has never worked. So,
27:02learning from their previous experience,
27:03he decides to take an opposite approach
27:05to get to the bottom of what Amy truly
27:08feels about the victims.
27:10>> What do you remember? What can you help
27:12us with? Where should we look?
27:14>> I mean
27:16I
27:17I mean, obviously you got to know
27:18finding
27:20dead people doesn't really leave you in
27:22the right state of mind.
27:24It can do things to you.
27:25>> Yes, ma'am.
27:26>> Um
27:27but [music] and then everything that
27:29ensued, I mean, honestly, I can't even
27:30tell you. I can barely remember the
27:32funerals.
27:33I don't really remember much about being
27:35inside the house anymore. I I think I
27:37blocked that out. That's just and that's
27:39just how it's going to have to be at
27:40this point because I've got children.
27:42I've got to be here for them and I can't
27:44be in a loon bin.
27:46We had another girl that I was working
27:47for. She was around at the time here and
27:49there. Roxy.
27:52>> You said her name was Roxy?
27:53>> Yeah, Roxy Ford.
27:55>> How about letting So, he Roxy tell us a
27:57little bit about like the relationship
28:00between like I guess y'all and the
28:02family. Uh and I guess it was good and
28:05then something happened.
28:06>> Uh yeah, I mean, what happened?
28:09Um every I mean, a lot of people
28:11remember what happened.
28:12We got into it around 4th of July or
28:14something with Mike. It didn't have much
28:17to do with with my mom and my
28:19grandmother, of course. My father died
28:21when I was 18, so I didn't need another
28:23father cuz I was 23 and had my own kid.
28:26And there had always been issues there
28:28for years.
28:30>> [clears throat]
28:30>> But way before this. So,
28:33he had issues with a couple of my
28:35ex-husbands. He had issues with a couple
28:37of my friends.
28:38>> Now, who who This is Mike?
28:40>> Yeah.
28:40>> Okay.
28:41>> Um
28:42I really hate to tell y'all this. It
28:44probably sounds horrible coming from me,
28:45but he wasn't a nice person.
28:48>> For the first time in 8 years, Amy
28:51admits she never had a good relationship
28:54with her stepfather, but detectives
28:56would later learn her resentment towards
28:58him went far deeper. She also points
29:01Duncan and Spingola towards her friend
29:04and former employee, Roxy, someone
29:06detectives now need to interview as soon
29:08as possible. Before wrapping up,
29:11detective Spingola has one more question
29:13for Amy, one they would return to again
29:16and again throughout the investigation.
29:19>> How were things going financially at
29:20that time, okay?
29:21>> Yeah, it was fine.
29:23>> No problems?
29:24>> Nothing abnormal for me.
29:26>> And you tried to cooperate, and you
29:28answered questions before?
29:29>> Yeah.
29:29>> You took a polygraph?
29:31>> Yeah.
29:31>> How'd that go?
29:32>> Uh, they were like they I don't they
29:35wouldn't even tell me. They acted like I
29:37did something horrible on it, you know,
29:39and it's not that I haven't wanted
29:42to cooperate. It's just you get to a
29:45certain point and you see where things
29:46are going and you're like, you know
29:47what? This isn't good.
29:49>> Okay. You're not lost, ma'am.
29:50Thank you for talking to us.
29:52>> Thank you. Take care.
29:54>> She can't remember anything, but because
29:56she doesn't remember her lies.
29:58Am I wrong?
30:01>> Despite Amy's best attempts, detectives
30:04know her account is full of lies, even
30:08more so than Ross's. Still, at this
30:11stage, they have nothing concrete tying
30:14either Amy or Ross to the murders, and
30:16the couple knows it. Once detectives
30:18return to the station, both sides
30:20realize they're at a pivotal point in
30:23the investigation, as the next 24 hours
30:26could determine whether Amy and Ross
30:28walk free or spend the rest of their
30:29lives behind bars.
30:33The following morning, detective Scotty
30:35Hill and prosecutor Kelly Siegler follow
30:38up on the previous day's leads and
30:40decide to pay a visit to Amy's former
30:42co-worker, Roxy. The detective's hunch
30:45is that Amy believes this interview will
30:48strengthen her alibi. But by introducing
30:50a new potential witness, whatever Roxy
30:53is about to say now has the power to
30:55shift the investigation in either the
30:57detective's or the couple's favor.
31:04>> Hey Roxy, how are you doing?
31:05>> I'm good, how are you?
31:06>> I'm fine.
31:09Basically, what we We've decided to do
31:11is start this case [music]
31:13from the beginning and work it like it's
31:15never been worked before.
31:16>> Okay.
31:17>> Do everything we can. So, obviously, you
31:19were kind of a big deal in the early
31:22early days of the case. You worked for a
31:24Ross named Amy, right?
31:26And how was she to work for?
31:27>> Um cool, laid back. Um
31:31we jumped around a lot, never took
31:32anything too serious.
31:34Um I think I seen
31:36>> [music]
31:37>> um
31:38Kathy and
31:40What was his name?
31:41>> Mike.
31:41>> Mike.
31:42>> Mhm.
31:42>> Um
31:43at [music] the the shop, the grooming
31:45shop, twice. And the first time
31:48everything was great, and then the
31:50second time they came, uh it wasn't
31:52[music] good.
31:53Um it was kind of I was in the back
31:55grooming, so I didn't hear everything
31:57that was going on,
31:58but
31:59just watching body language and hearing
32:01what they were saying
32:03>> [music]
32:03>> at the time,
32:04it wasn't it was something to do with
32:07money.
32:07>> Okay.
32:08>> Um because afterwards, Stacy I'm Stacy
32:11uh Amy had talked about um how she was
32:14going to keep her kids away from
32:17um
32:18Kathy and Mike.
32:20>> Mhm.
32:20>> And that's when they
32:22we just went kaputs from there. They
32:23never
32:24>> [music]
32:25>> got along after that.
32:26And then throughout working there, she'd
32:28always tell me about how [music] she was
32:30treated growing up and all that, so.
32:33>> What kind of stuff would she say about
32:34how she was treated?
32:35>> Um she told me that she was always a
32:38daddy's girl and when um,
32:42her dad passed away
32:44>> [music]
32:45>> I think she said her dad had a he was
32:47working on a car and it crushed him and
32:49he was
32:49>> [music]
32:49>> placed in the hospital
32:51um,
32:51and her mom decided to pull the plug on
32:54him and she said she was only 13 and so
32:57she didn't really have a say so
32:59>> [music]
32:59>> but
33:00she always uh, hated her mom for that.
33:03>> What Roxy has just [music] revealed
33:06could provide detectives with one of the
33:08strongest motives behind the murders as
33:11[music] Amy's hatred towards her mother
33:13over the decision to remove her father
33:15from life support had only deepened over
33:18the years and as detectives wrap up the
33:20interview and relay their findings to
33:22Duncan and Svingala, Amy and Ross are
33:24completely unaware that their luxurious
33:27life is about to come crashing down.
33:31While Amy and Ross continue enjoying
33:33their freedom, Duncan and Svingala drive
33:35over to two people who knew the victims
33:37better than almost [music] anyone else.
33:39Their closest friends, Stan and Mary. To
33:42see if their stories match, detectives
33:44decide to interview them separately and
33:46while they expect [music] to hear more
33:48unsubstantiated claims, they're about to
33:51uncover much more than that.
33:54>> Do we just hop in the passenger seat so
33:55we can sit down and and talk about what
33:57happened back in 2015 real quick?
34:00We're investigating the case again going
34:02through going through everything.
34:05>> Um, and
34:07that's kind of why you know, we can kind
34:09of talk in private a little bit and just
34:11see. I know at some point in time I
34:13think you had called and talked with
34:14some detectives back back then and stuff
34:17so
34:17>> I did because I felt like I I needed to
34:19tell them what I knew about what Barbara
34:22had told me.
34:23>> I kind of I kind of come on the case
34:25earlier this year um, started reviewing
34:27it and stuff um
34:29>> I hope you catch them man. I tell you
34:31what. We were with him, uh, Kathy was
34:33here uh, that uh, Friday before we don't
34:35know exactly when she died, either
34:37Friday night or Saturday, whatever. But,
34:39she and Kelly and and we told the first
34:42people we were really good friends. She
34:44cleaned her house, but Mike and I were
34:46good friends and
34:48we sent food home for them.
34:50Our food was in their refrigerator when
34:52they died.
34:53>> I'd say at least 3 months before that
34:56happened,
34:57she was just a nervous wreck over what
34:59was going on uh there in that
35:01house. And then that last time I went,
35:05that was just a few days before [music]
35:07that happened.
35:09Uh Barbara was just I mean, she was
35:11beside herself crying and and going on
35:14about how uh Amy
35:17something bad was going to happen
35:18because uh uh
35:20Amy just
35:22seemed like she just hated their guts.
35:24>> I [music] think the week that he died or
35:27the weekend that he died,
35:30I think he told his boss that he knew he
35:31was going to die.
35:33>> Do you know why he would say that?
35:34>> He would get killed.
35:36>> He was that afraid?
35:37>> Yeah, he just knew. I think they might
35:39have I don't remember all of that stuff,
35:41but uh
35:42you know, but uh
35:44>> To the detectives' surprise, neither
35:47Stan nor Mary believe these murders came
35:50out of nowhere. Their accounts suggest
35:52this may have been a planned attack,
35:54potentially [music] explaining why so
35:56little evidence was left behind. But,
35:58what stood out to Stan and Mary even
36:00more was the couple's behavior in the
36:02days after the murders, convincing them
36:04that one of the Valorities is indeed the
36:08killer.
36:09>> Did you go to the funeral, ma'am?
36:10Anything unusual at the funeral?
36:12>> Weird.
36:13>> Weird why?
36:15>> For them just to come in like they were
36:17all upset and and concerned about what
36:19had happened. That just didn't seem
36:21normal to me. I don't know.
36:23>> Do you remember anything anything
36:24unusual happening at the funeral,
36:25anything that stuck out in your mind?
36:27>> Do I have to say that?
36:28>> Yeah.
36:30>> I don't want to say it.
36:32>> You know, we we're trying to put this
36:34together.
36:35>> She was dressed like a
36:38>> Red?
36:38>> Huh?
36:39>> Red dress?
36:40>> Uh I don't remember the color dress, but
36:42short dress, boots and all that kind of
36:44stuff.
36:45Kelly will be able to tell you more than
36:47I can on that.
36:48>> If she wasn't speaking to him or having
36:50anything to do with him, I don't know
36:52why she decided she'd come in and check
36:54on.
36:55>> What do you think happened?
36:57>> Minute I heard it, I
36:59I I thought
37:00Amy's doing what she promised she was
37:02going to do. I never even considered it
37:04being anybody else.
37:06>> When you heard they were
37:07they were murdered, what was your first
37:09thought?
37:11>> They killed her.
37:13>> What makes you say that?
37:14>> They did. They're the ones who killed
37:15her.
37:16Uh and y'all know that, too. So, several
37:19people have told me, you know, just
37:20don't have the proof. And what I was
37:22told, and I don't know, maybe your
37:23sheriff told me that, but uh they went
37:26in over there, the
37:27uh deputies and stuff thought it was a
37:30uh
37:31murder, and screwed up all the evidence.
37:34>> After speaking with Stan and Mary,
37:36detectives Duncan and Spingola know
37:38they're closing in on a breakthrough.
37:40They just hope it comes fast enough
37:42before the couple disappears. Over the
37:44following weeks, Duncan and Spingola
37:46conduct dozens more interviews with
37:48family members and friends, re-examining
37:50every piece of evidence to see whether
37:52anything had been overlooked over the
37:53years. And that's when they come across
37:55something peculiar. Amy had insisted
37:58from the beginning the $60,000 recovered
38:01from her home was her savings. But as
38:04investigator Duncan digs deeper, he
38:06discovers Amy and Ross's dog grooming
38:09business had been earning far less than
38:11they originally claimed. That's when
38:13Spingola uncovers something critical.
38:16While reviewing the victim's phone
38:17records, he finds that just days before
38:20his death, Mike had photographed stacks
38:22of cash to prove to a seller that he had
38:25enough money for an upcoming purchase.
38:27But upon closer inspection, the serial
38:30numbers in this photograph exactly match
38:33the cash seized from Amy and Ross's
38:35home. Then comes their biggest
38:38breakthrough yet. Duncan and Spingola
38:40revisit the CCTV footage from the
38:42morning of November 1st and identify the
38:45shoes Ross was wearing, red Asics
38:47Speedstar sneakers. When they compare
38:49[music] them to the bloody footprint
38:51left at the scene, the match is
38:53undeniable. Nearly a decade later,
38:55Detective Duncan finally has the
38:57concrete physical evidence he's been
39:00searching for.
39:01On the morning of December 20th,
39:03detectives return to the couple's home
39:05for what they believe will be their
39:07final visit. Once they arrive, they spot
39:09Ross's brand new Ford Mustang,
39:12confirming the couple hadn't
39:13disappeared. While Amy refuses to speak
39:15with them this time, Ross agrees to
39:18another interview. After eight years
39:20without an arrest, Ross is convinced any
39:23evidence against him simply doesn't
39:24exist. But he's about to get a reality
39:26check and his final chance to explain
39:29away the damning evidence stacked
39:31against him.
39:34>> Hey, so we just want to ask you a couple
39:36more things and we're going to get out
39:37of here, okay?
39:40So, there was something that had come up
39:43>> [clears throat]
39:43>> um while we was looking through the
39:45file. Do you remember owning a
39:47like a red pair of shoes?
39:50>> Red pair of shoes?
39:51>> Asics uh Speedstar shoes.
39:54>> Don't recall.
39:56>> So, there was a video on your phone
39:59of you wearing these Asics Speedstar
40:01shoes.
40:02>> I yeah, I remember those shoes.
40:03>> What What happened to the shoes?
40:06Cuz I don't think they ever found They
40:08never found the shoes.
40:10>> That's a good question cuz I have no
40:12idea.
40:14>> Possibly thrown away?
40:17The reason that I ask is we found
40:21This is from crime scene photos, and
40:23these are confirmed to be ASICS
40:25Speedstar shoes.
40:26>> Okay.
40:27>> Um inside and they have blood droplets
40:30on them.
40:30And interestingly enough, you're at the
40:32QuickTrip wearing those shoes the night
40:35of the murders.
40:37>> I have no idea how those shoes would
40:39have any kind of blood on them. I mean,
40:41obviously I was wearing them at the at a
40:43QuickTrip on the 31st.
40:45>> Well, and they never found the clothes
40:47either that you were wearing.
40:49>> I mean, I I can understand where that
40:50would look like to be a problem, but
40:52again, I don't
40:55know where the shoes are at the moment,
40:57and I don't remember whatever happened
40:58to those particular shoes. If something
41:01were to have happened that I had done,
41:03it would be stupid for me to wear them
41:05in the house and then wear them after
41:07that.
41:08>> Well, that's what I'm saying. They were
41:09never found. So, it's almost like you
41:11got rid of them. And y'all did benefit
41:13from the murders, okay, because you got
41:14a lot of money. We've been through your
41:15financials, okay?
41:17>> Didn't get a lot
41:17>> Y'all Y'all Y'all were struggling all up
41:21until the murders. The money found in
41:22your safe,
41:24there's money photos from Mike's
41:25computer that match the same serial
41:27numbers as the money that was found in
41:29the safe. So, it's not savings. That's
41:31money that was found inside of Mike and
41:33Kathy's house that Mike was saving, and
41:36y'all took it after you killed him,
41:38okay? And I'm telling you right now,
41:39we're going to prove it.
41:41>> Or you can roll the dice, and when that
41:42jury comes back, I'm telling you, we
41:44just said it's not going to be pretty.
41:46We're not here because we think you did
41:48it or you might have did it. We know you
41:51did it. Okay, we're just here as a
41:52courtesy. It's piling up, Ross.
41:54>> So, you're telling me that And if you
41:56guys said you went through my
41:57financials, right, you saw where I had
42:00made the money.
42:02>> And we saw where you spent it.
42:03>> No, you didn't.
42:04>> Yes, we did.
42:04>> Cuz I did not
42:05>> cars. Your car was even repoed, buddy.
42:08I'm telling I'm not trying to scare you
42:09here, but
42:10>> That's actually absolutely what you're
42:11trying to do.
42:12>> Well, I'm not.
42:13>> You said it the best, follow the money.
42:15We did that. It led right into your
42:17single wide. Just telling you.
42:19>> Using Ross's own words against him,
42:22Detective Duncan and Spingola followed
42:24the money and ironically it led
42:26detectives straight back to him. For the
42:29first time, Ross begins to realize he
42:32and Amy may not be as untouchable as
42:34they once believed. But even then, he's
42:36convinced detectives still don't have
42:38enough to secure a conviction and he's
42:40about to show them just how confident he
42:43really is.
42:44>> Let's just play this out in a
42:45hypothetical, right?
42:47>> Right.
42:48>> Let's say a deal
42:50happens.
42:50>> Right.
42:52>> What kind of deal would that be?
42:54>> I don't know, Ross. Here's Okay, but
42:56here's the deal. With That's a very bad
42:58analogy. Here's the thing, sir. Without
43:00a deal,
43:02there's no hope. Do you believe that? I
43:03want you to go and you know, really
43:04think about this.
43:05>> I I understand that, but my my point
43:07being is you guys just brought up my
43:09kids.
43:09>> Right.
43:09>> My wife.
43:10>> Right.
43:10>> My family.
43:11>> Right.
43:11>> Mine is going to be
43:13better than Amy's cuz I came to the
43:15trough first, right?
43:16>> Right.
43:16>> So, prison time,
43:18no matter what,
43:20Amy, prison time, no matter what.
43:24So, now you're talking about both of us
43:25are going to prison.
43:27Um
43:29my my three kids in here,
43:33they grew up without a father and a
43:34mother. Granted, my mother would be more
43:36than willing to take them. I understand
43:38that.
43:38>> We're not the ones who put y'all in this
43:40predicament, okay? Y'all made a decision
43:42for whatever reason, okay, to do what
43:44y'all did.
43:45>> we made a decision. You passed the law.
43:47>> I understand it. We make decisions at
43:50under stress.
43:51>> now you have Now, I I you know, eight
43:53years whatever,
43:54now you're going to have to deal with
43:55the consequences.
43:56>> For
43:58almost 10 years now, no one has found
44:01anything
44:03enough to come [snorts] down here and
44:04bother me
44:06or my wife or my family.
44:09For 8 years, nothing's been enough to
44:10come down here, but now all of a sudden,
44:128 years later,
44:14there's enough evidence to come bother
44:15me.
44:16Why or how?
44:17>> And we found
44:18the missing pieces.
44:20>> Okay.
44:20>> Okay, and I just showed you
44:21>> Why Why is it Why is it 8 years later
44:25the missing pieces have just finally
44:27quote unquote fallen in their place?
44:29>> I can't answer that because I wasn't I
44:31wasn't the ones that was investigating
44:32this case before I got it.
44:34>> So, tell me where they fell for sure.
44:36>> I don't know.
44:37>> I can't plead guilty to something that
44:39>> Ross, don't go there. Don't go there
44:40anymore, please.
44:41>> I have a lot of respect for you.
44:43>> All right.
44:43>> Don't go there anymore.
44:45>> All right. I won't say anything.
44:46>> and you did yours. You understand it?
44:48>> Yep.
44:48>> That's it. That's the bottom line. No
44:50more bull
44:52>> All right. I won't
44:53>> Then if if if that is where we are,
44:55then at this juncture, it is time for me
44:58to hop out of the truck, and I probably
44:59will be contacting an attorney.
45:01>> All right. You're free to go. Okay.
45:03>> Yep.
45:03>> You guys have a
45:05nice drive back to Anderson.
45:08>> Despite Ross still refusing to admit to
45:11the horrific crime he and Amy committed,
45:13Duncan and Spingola no longer need his
45:16confession. The evidence speaks for
45:18itself. Later that day, both Amy and
45:21Ross are arrested and transported to the
45:23Anderson County Detention Center, where
45:24they are charged with four counts of
45:26murder. Based on eight years of
45:28findings, this is what investigators
45:30believe happened on the night of October
45:3331st, 2015. Around 11:00 p.m. that
45:37night, Amy and Ross walked the short
45:39distance from their trailer to the Scott
45:41family home. Because they were family,
45:43detectives believe they were able to
45:45enter the house without forcing their
45:46way inside. Investigators believe Mike
45:49Scott was attacked first before he had a
45:51chance to defend himself. Kathy Scott,
45:54Barbara Scott, and Violet Taylor all
45:56suffered slash wounds, which
45:58investigators concluded were the fatal
46:00injuries. After they had already died,
46:03each victim was then shot in the head.
46:07Detectives believe Amy and [music] Ross
46:09then took the cash Mike kept inside the
46:11home before leaving the scene. Two days
46:13after the murder, Amy returned to the
46:15house and placed the 911 call reporting
46:18she had discovered the bodies. In
46:20February 2026, Amy is found guilty on
46:24all four counts of murder and sentenced
46:26to four life sentences. As of August
46:292026, Ross remains behind bars awaiting
46:32trial. If convicted, he too could
46:35receive four life sentences, one for
46:38each victim.

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