Reinventing From Within | Jarrett Adams on Impact Theory — Transcript

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1. 0:04Tom: Everybody, welcome to another episode of Impact Theory.
2. 0:07You are here, my friends, because you believe that human potential is nearly limitless,
3. 0:11but you know that having potential is not the same as actually doing something with
4. 0:15it.
5. 0:16Our goal with this show and company is to introduce you to the people and ideas that
6. 0:21are going to help you actually execute on your dreams.
7. 0:25Today's guest was wrongfully convicted of sexual assault at the age of 17, and sentenced
8. 0:31to 28 years in a maximum security prison.
9. 0:35This miscarriage of justice robbed him of nearly 10 years of his life, and while most
10. 0:40people would have been lost to hopelessness or swallowed by blinding rage, after a chance
11. 0:46encounter with a fellow inmate snapped him out of his passive approach to his situation,
12. 0:50he decided he was going to fight for his freedom.
13. 0:53Armed with a radical new enthusiasm, he threw himself headlong into the prison's library,
14. 0:58beginning the long and arduous process of teaching himself law.
15. 1:05Realizing the need for help, he launched a tireless outreach campaign that saw him writing
16. 1:09upwards of 50 letters per week, and this onslaught finally got the Wisconsin Innocence Project
17. 1:16to come to his aid and help him secure the legal team that would ultimately assist him
18. 1:20in winning his freedom in 2007.
19. 1:23Hell-bent to do more than simply get out of prison, despite being broke, having no credit
20. 1:28history and a 10-year gap on his resume, he decided to double down on his education.
21. 1:33Living on his mother's couch, he first attended community college, then transferred to Roosevelt
22. 1:37College where he graduated with high honors and obtained a BA in Criminal Justice.
23. 1:42In recognition of his extraordinary work and talents, he became the 2012 recipient of the
24. 1:48Chicago Bar Association's Abraham Lincoln Marovitz Public Interest Scholarship, which
25. 1:54he used to attend law school.
26. 1:56After graduating in 2015, he went on to pass the New York State Bar, win a coveted position
27. 2:02to clerk for the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, the very court that overturned his
28. 2:07conviction.
29. 2:08Guys, please help me in welcoming the co-founder of Life After Justice, the Investigator of
30. 2:14the Year Award recipient and relentless advocate for legal reform, Jarrett Adams.
31. 2:21It is an honor to have you.
32. 2:27Jarrett: Thank you.
33. 2:29Tom: Everybody, I'm sure, every time this happens, freaks out about your story.
34. 2:35In fact it was two seconds before you came on, George, who you met, said literally, "If
35. 2:42you were to ask me to say what my nightmare is, my nightmare would be to be wrongfully
36. 2:47convicted."
37. 2:48What is that moment like?
38. 2:50Jarrett: It's a hopeless feeling, and you're surrounded around a bunch of hopelessness
39. 2:56inside of the criminal justice system.
40. 2:59I quickly realized that it wasn't about the truth in my case.
41. 3:03If it was, I never would have been tried, convicted, anything.
42. 3:07It was about who I was, who was accusing me, and what resources did I have.
43. 3:15In my case, I'm a young black man, no resources, just a high school education, and I was accused
44. 3:21by a white woman of rape.
45. 3:24All of those were the ingredients to see the injustice happen to you in the criminal justice
46. 3:29system.
47. 3:31To go through it at first, there was a transformation that I took while in prison.
48. 3:37Shock was definitely the first of anything, just the initial shock.
49. 3:42To be 17, turning 18, turning 19, I'm receiving letters from my friends who had gone off to
50. 3:51college, got their first car, got their first credit card, maxed out their first credit
51. 3:57card.
52. 3:58Just stuff like that, just the stuff where you're like, look, this is the maturation
53. 4:01process that kids go through and that sets them up to who they become in life.
54. 4:09That setup for me was taking place inside of a maximum security prison with a 28-year
55. 4:14sentence.
56. 4:15I started to just go into a dark, desolate, there's no way I'm getting out of here type
57. 4:22of place.
58. 4:23It was a splash wake-up to race, the criminal justice system, and what it's like to be underprivileged
59. 4:33and to face the criminal justice system.
60. 4:35I'm watching the worst of the worst horror movies, to be accused of something, of raping
61. 4:42a woman.
62. 4:43I was raised by a single mother, my two aunts, my grandmother.
63. 4:50More than anything, I felt like in debt to explain to them, "This is a lie."
64. 4:58I didn't really have to do that with them, because they knew me.
65. 5:00You could have called and said, "Look, I took someone's skateboard," or just some juvenile
66. 5:04stuff, but you weren't going to call and say I shot nobody, robbed nobody, or raped anyone.
67. 5:08They just weren't going for that.
68. 5:10They weren't buying it.
69. 5:11That's when the conversations they started to have with me was a bit more raw, a bit
70. 5:16more, "You know what?
71. 5:18You've grown up in an all-black neighborhood.
72. 5:20You've never experienced racism.
73. 5:22We've told you certain things are out here, and boom, this is what's going on.
74. 5:27This is why stuff doesn't make sense to you.
75. 5:29We can't afford to get you an attorney, we don't know much about the law."
76. 5:33No one in my family had been arrested, charged with any crimes or anything like that.
77. 5:38It was one of these things where I could recite to you the entire Tupac album, but none of
78. 5:44my Constitutional amendments or any of those type of things.
79. 5:49I looked back on that and I said to myself, first of all, how am I so ill-prepared?
80. 5:55How are we so ill-prepared to deal with this?
81. 5:59To be accused is one thing, but to not have the resources to prove your innocence is a
82. 6:07totally different animal.
83. 6:08You're there, and you're watching this, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about
84. 6:15it.
85. 6:16That is a terrible, lonely, isolating feeling, for me definitely.
86. 6:23When I would turn around and I would look at my mother in court, and to just look at
87. 6:29those wrinkles and those creases of anguish on her forehead, it spoke to me what she wasn't
88. 6:34able to say in words.
89. 6:36She felt like she had failed me by not having resources to be able to afford to buy me an
90. 6:43attorney.
91. 6:44I felt even more in pain, because I told her I was going to spend the night over a friend's
92. 6:50house and we snuck to a party where this allegation was able to be made in the first place.
93. 6:56I just felt so torn up by that, so torn up to the point where I'm in prison, I'm mad
94. 7:06I'm there, but if you asked me what took first place, me being there and being mad I was
95. 7:12there, or me being mad at how I disappointed my mother, that came A-1.
96. 7:17What did this woman do but go to work, work crazy early hours to provide for me and my
97. 7:29brother?
98. 7:30I just almost blew not only my life away, but her life.
99. 7:37The people who are in prison aren't in prison themselves, whether it be rightfully, wrongfully.
100. 7:42If you use the analogy of a bomb, when it hits its target, collateral damage is always
101. 7:48affected.
102. 7:49That's what the criminal justice system is.
103. 7:52My mother was very much so imprisoned by me being there.
104. 7:58Couldn't go to church, go out to certain events and people would ask, "Hey, how's Jarrett
105. 8:03doing?"
106. 8:04How do you go on to start a story where like, "Yeah, he's in prison but he didn't do it"?
107. 8:08Doesn't it sound familiar to a lot of the things that people say?
108. 8:15It was that that I locked onto.
109. 8:17Tom: You guys reconciled that?
110. 8:20I'm assuming you've talked a lot about that since you got out.
111. 8:22Jarrett: Yeah, we developed a really close relationship while I was there.
112. 8:29Tom: You got closer while you were in prison or when you got home?
113. 8:31Jarrett: While I was there.
114. 8:32The reason I say that is because we know our parents as kids, but we don't really get to
115. 8:38know them until we're adults, you know what I mean?
116. 8:41Like who they are as people.
117. 8:42We know who they are as parents, but we don't get to know them as people.
118. 8:47It was that maturation process that I was able to go through, even in a hell hole like
119. 8:54prison.
120. 8:55The letters, the sending me verses from the Book of Psalm in the Bible, the having conversations,
121. 9:00the real, unfiltered conversations of, "Look, let me tell you what this is about, and let
122. 9:05me tell you why you can't do certain things in America if you are of black and brown skin
123. 9:10color that other people can.
124. 9:12You don't get second chances.
125. 9:14You're not one of the Duke Lacrosse teammate members who got accused of a rape, never went
126. 9:20to prison."
127. 9:21Even the prosecutor was disbarred, right?
128. 9:23That case was so similar to mine, but it was just like, I got 28 years and got convicted
129. 9:27because of the circumstances that I spoke to you about before.
130. 9:31We just had real conversations, and it made me become an adult far beyond my years.
131. 9:40It kept me alive, so to speak, to where it was like I'm getting these letters, I'm able
132. 9:46to communicate with her on the outside, I'm able to understand what's important to me,
133. 9:51whether inside or when I get outside.
134. 9:55No matter how painful it is, I've got to keep going, and I've got to keep going because
135. 9:59what is my passion?
136. 10:00What is my focus?
137. 10:01Your focus and your passion will numb you to failure and to pain of striving to get
138. 10:06to where you're trying to go.
139. 10:07Tom: We're going to get to that, but I have to ask, why come out and get a law degree?
140. 10:14Why not come out and just burn shit to the ground?
141. 10:17Jarrett: Listen, don't let me come across as someone who's just not mad, and happy and
142. 10:24jovial.
143. 10:25Like hell no, I'm mad.
144. 10:26Like for real, I am.
145. 10:27The reality of it is this.
146. 10:31Look, there are a lot of things that come with prison, but when you do a credit report
147. 10:36check, your last known address shows up.
148. 10:38My last known address was a Supermax in Wisconsin.
149. 10:41It was like, I couldn't get away from that gap in my life at all and stuff like that.
150. 10:47What I was saying, there's a stigma that is attached to people who go to prison.
151. 10:52People who go to prison and who come out of prison, whether rightfully or wrongfully,
152. 10:55we just assume this guy or this girl has got to be a character from Orange is the New Black,
153. 11:00something like that.
154. 11:03My mother and my aunts would pay attention to me, and they would look at me and they
155. 11:06would just notice, like I was really quiet.
156. 11:08They were like, "Look, why you not mad?
157. 11:10We mad as hell.
158. 11:11You not mad, something isn't right here."
159. 11:14They were encouraging me to go and to get therapy, to get help, but I kind of felt like
160. 11:21they were calling me crazy.
161. 11:23It was just more so one of these things where I fought it for a little while, of going to
162. 11:29get the help that I so desperately needed.
163. 11:31That's why I'm able to be how I am now and be able to deal with certain things.
164. 11:35I was able to let it out.
165. 11:36Tom: Because you did go get help?
166. 11:37Jarrett: I did go get therapy.
167. 11:39I had to go and sit down, because I, inside, internally, really was ready to burn stuff
168. 11:45to the ground and be upset.
169. 11:47I learned through going to get the therapy and be able to let it out, I learned that
170. 11:52this thing is a powerful thing right here.
171. 11:55You can ball it up, smack a few people with it, and you probably feel good momentarily.
172. 11:59There are repercussions with doing that, but you'll probably feel good momentarily.
173. 12:02If you take the same thing and you just do this with it, you'll be surprised how much
174. 12:08more powerful and lasting that it becomes.
175. 12:10That's why I wanted to become an attorney.
176. 12:12Tom: How did you get convinced of that?
177. 12:15Like I'm just putting myself in your shoes.
178. 12:17You're 17.
179. 12:18By definition, you're dumb, because you're 17.
180. 12:20Jarrett: Absolutely.
181. 12:21Tom: I was dumb as hell at 17, so I'm just going to assume.
182. 12:27When I look at your story from the outside and go, "That shit is so unfair ..." I'm a
183. 12:34big guy.
184. 12:35If you come to me and start crying about fair, I'm just going to tell you life isn't fair,
185. 12:37but that's so unfair that it's like, Jesus, what do you do with that?
186. 12:42I know I would have had a lot balled up.
187. 12:45I would have been super pissed off.
188. 12:47I don't know how easy it would have been for me to go, "I can ball this up and smash somebody
189. 12:52- it'll feel good, but repercussions - or I can write and really move something."
190. 12:57There's a huge chasm of nothingness in the middle, which is the more obvious choice.
191. 13:03I wouldn't have gone out punching people, that's not my makeup, but I could see losing
192. 13:08years to feeling sorry for myself, to the black hole in the middle.
193. 13:14One, walk us through the interaction you have on lockdown that really flips a switch for
194. 13:21you, that makes you realize you're going to fight and find freedom, and then what the
195. 13:25other moment is when you realize, "I'm going to do something more than just burn things
196. 13:30to the ground."
197. 13:31Jarrett: Actually, a lot of what you just described, it's like my life and who I was
198. 13:39was morphing right in front of me.
199. 13:41Yeah, I went through those angry stages, those mad, no one cares, I'm a victim, and stuff
200. 13:47like that.
201. 13:48I went through that.
202. 13:49By doing that - I cannot stress this enough - by doing that, it added to the definition
203. 13:55that was in my mother's forehead with those wrinkles and those creases of anguish.
204. 14:00I locked on to that.
205. 14:02Like how do I lock on to that to block out the pain, the anger and frustration that I
206. 14:08was dealing with?
207. 14:09Tom: That is bringing beauty back to her life.
208. 14:12Jarrett: I said, you know what?
209. 14:15This woman was having her head down crying, not knowing what to do, coming to visit me
210. 14:22five, six hours away, broke her leg one day coming to visit me in the wintertime, accepting
211. 14:27expensive phone calls.
212. 14:29I was indebted to that woman, and I was going to pay her back.
213. 14:31You could believe that.
214. 14:32I didn't know I was going to become an attorney, but I knew the next time she walked up in
215. 14:36that church and sat in the front row, she was going to be proud to say what Jarrett
216. 14:40was doing, and not ducking her head.
217. 14:42That's what I locked on to.
218. 14:44I say this, whenever I go and I speak to kids and stuff like that, "You have to be crazy
219. 14:50in believing what your goal and your passion is.
220. 14:53When something is crazy, even though it's crazy, you still do it."
221. 14:59That's what you have to become.
222. 15:01You have to become insane.
223. 15:02Tom: Where did you learn this?
224. 15:04Jarrett: I cannot tell you ... I had to pick this up in prison.
225. 15:08I had to pick this up in prison, I had to pick this up-
226. 15:10Tom: Are you learning step by step?
227. 15:12Is somebody saying some of this stuff?
228. 15:14This is so powerful.
229. 15:16Jarrett: No, this is all based on research.
230. 15:19I'll tell you this- Tom: You're reading.
231. 15:21Jarrett: I'm reading, like crazy reading.
232. 15:23Reading books in a day and a half, you know what I mean?
233. 15:28If it's good.
234. 15:30I was in maximum security prison, Green Bay, Wisconsin.
235. 15:33It was one of the most violent prisons in the state.
236. 15:36It had the nickname Gladiator School.
237. 15:39It lived up to its title.
238. 15:42It was just a ridiculous setting place for anything to be called corrections.
239. 15:46Nah, it's like department of warehousing.
240. 15:47Let's be honest, that's what it is.
241. 15:50One day it was an incident that happened where it was like a stabbing or a beating or something
242. 15:54like that, and they put everybody on lockdown at this time.
243. 15:57When they put you on lockdown, you're on lockdown 24 hours a day.
244. 16:02You're in your cell that's about the size of a broom closet in New York.
245. 16:08That small.
246. 16:10It's two beds stacked on top of each other, the toilet's right by your head, there's a
247. 16:16TV in there if you can afford one, and there's like a little stool sticking out of the wall.
248. 16:21That's where everything is where you're at.
249. 16:24Lockdown is one of the most inhumane things to be on, especially when you're there for
250. 16:29more than 24 hours.
251. 16:30When you're on lockdown, what they're trying to do is they're trying to find out if this
252. 16:33is like a grand-scale riot or if this is just like an isolated incident.
253. 16:40That way they can determine when they let people off of lockdown.
254. 16:44If you have the phone that night - phones are assigned to people on different nights
255. 16:48and stuff like that - they'll bring you the phone.
256. 16:50They bring you your food to your cell.
257. 16:52Like they throw you change of clothes there, because you don't take a shower during certain
258. 16:56periods during this lockdown.
259. 16:58It was my phone night, and my cellmate, older white dude ... I've been in there about five
260. 17:06months and me and this guy didn't really have a conversation past two sentences.
261. 17:12I had just begun really starting my time.
262. 17:14I was younger, he was older, been there for like 19 years.
263. 17:17He was already set in his ways, and we're different people.
264. 17:21Being as it may irritate him and stuff like that, I just tried to stay out of his way.
265. 17:26I was on the phone with my mother, and my mother patched in my aunts on a three-way
266. 17:30call.
267. 17:32I was explaining to them, like the appellate court was denying another one of my appeals.
268. 17:38They just kept asking, "I don't understand, if there are witnesses that are coming forward
269. 17:42now and your lawyer didn't call any of these people who basically provided you an alibi.
270. 17:46I don't understand how they're ignoring this."
271. 17:50I really came to understand that as well, like it's not about the truth.
272. 17:54It's about what you can prove in court.
273. 17:56The criminal justice system doesn't care about the truth, man, unless you're rich.
274. 17:59You don't go to jail when you're rich unless you piss off other rich people.
275. 18:04It's just really nuts.
276. 18:07I was in this cell, and he told me come down off the bunk after I got off the phone with
277. 18:12my mother and my aunts.
278. 18:13He was just like, "I heard what you was up there saying."
279. 18:17I'm like, "Sure you did, man.
280. 18:18You're like within arm's reach of [inaudible 00:18:20], like of course you did."
281. 18:21He's like, "Nah, but you know, I listened, and what's confusing me is you go work out,
282. 18:27you play chess, you play basketball.
283. 18:29I've never once seen you looking at your case, working on your case.
284. 18:34It's confusing to me, man.
285. 18:36You're saying you're innocent, but you act like you're enrolled on a college campus here."
286. 18:39He began to have a conversation with me and point out certain things to me, and he was
287. 18:44like, "Look, the same dudes that you're talking to, they'll be paroled out in the wintertime.
288. 18:49I want you to listen real well for their voice at the end of the next summer."
289. 18:54Sure enough, he was right about a lot of that stuff.
290. 18:55He was right about that.
291. 18:57Tom: They came back?
292. 18:58Jarrett: They came right back.
293. 19:00You want to talk about scary, it was never a violent incident that I saw in prison that
294. 19:04could scare me like looking at people leave out in December and come back in July.
295. 19:10Like routinely.
296. 19:11Routinely.
297. 19:12I would ask him questions, and I'll get to that too, how I was able to start picking
298. 19:16people's brain to find out what I wanted to do with my life, but my cellmate, old white
299. 19:23guy by the name of Pops.
300. 19:24He asked me for my transcripts, my paperwork, police reports.
301. 19:27He was like, "Let me just see it, and I'll go through and I'll give you my advice."
302. 19:32We got off of lockdown, and he was still going through my paperwork and stuff like that and
303. 19:38he was going to let me know his opinion.
304. 19:41We get off lockdown, and you would think I would go right to the library, right?
305. 19:44Nah, I had like 23 points that day on the rec yard.
306. 19:47I was balling out there, okay?
307. 19:50The thing about it is this.
308. 19:52Like I wasn't doing it because it was just like, "Man, forget this crap."
309. 19:55Like I did not know how to deal with this.
310. 19:59I was lost.
311. 20:00It was painful to get pictures, looking at my nephew just born when I'm locked up, and
312. 20:07he's growing up.
313. 20:09I had a niece who came to the family that I didn't even know, like just looking at pictures.
314. 20:13It was just one of these things where it was like, look, I didn't want to deal with that.
315. 20:18That's how I dealt with it therapeutically, to just ignore it and not deal with it.
316. 20:21I came back off of the rec yard and my cellmate was sitting in the cell, and he was just like,
317. 20:28"I want you to sit down for a second.
318. 20:31Look, I do a lot of legal work helping people out and stuff like that around here."
319. 20:35He was like, "I've never in my life seen such bull crap, and it's racial bull crap."
320. 20:43He's like, "There's no evidence here, man!
321. 20:45You've got 28 years!
322. 20:46The guy you was out there playing ball with, he shot two people, he has 18 years!"
323. 20:51He was just explaining to me, waking me up so to speak, to say, "Look, if you keep on,
324. 20:56it's only a matter of time before you're walking around here with tattoo teardrops under your
325. 21:00eye, and basically becoming immersed in what the prison culture is."
326. 21:05It woke me up.
327. 21:07It gave me a different perspective on why I was there and who was counting on me on
328. 21:15the outside.
329. 21:17Very much so.
330. 21:18My mother was in prison, just minus the bars.
331. 21:20I was looking at it take a toll and effect on her and my aunts.
332. 21:24He threw me a notepad and he said, "Look, I want you to look at this case, it's called
333. 21:27Strickland v. Washington."
334. 21:31I went to the library and I started looking at this case, and I'm like, all right, I get
335. 21:34what it's saying.
336. 21:35Strickland v. Washington is this case where it's like a lawyer who failed to do his job,
337. 21:40and his failures were constitutionally just not allowed by standards in a court of law.
338. 21:48They overturned this guy's conviction and stuff like that.
339. 21:51When I came back to the room, I asked him, I said, "Look, I read the case.
340. 21:55Is this what you're trying to get me to understand?"
341. 21:58He threw the notepad back to me and he said, "Nah.
342. 22:00Look, you're going to tell me what I'm trying to get you to understand."
343. 22:02Tom: Wow.
344. 22:03Jarrett: It was a course of a couple weeks of going back and forth to the library, coming
345. 22:09back, on the same case.
346. 22:11The same case.
347. 22:13That's where my academic level was, when you just graduate high school from a South Side
348. 22:18of Chicago type of high school, and depending on what school district you're in.
349. 22:23You don't get the best of the best education.
350. 22:28I'm not knowing anything, and I'm going through and I'm reading words I have absolutely no
351. 22:33idea what they mean.
352. 22:34Each time I would come back and ask what a word meant, he would send me back to the library
353. 22:39to go, "Tell me what the word meant."
354. 22:42I did this over a course of time, and I got an understanding of what was going on.
355. 22:48I got to see it clearly.
356. 22:49Tom: It sounds like a movie, right?
357. 22:52Jarrett: I'm hoping.
358. 22:53I'm recently married and my wife wants kids, so look, I'm hoping.
359. 22:59More than anything, I'm hoping that it has a couple different impacts on people in society
360. 23:04in general.
361. 23:05First of all, if you believe that the criminal justice system is about corrections, you need
362. 23:10to go find the biggest pair of scissors you can and cut that shit out, because it's not
363. 23:14true.
364. 23:15Like it's absolutely not true at all, man.
365. 23:18That wake-up call was important to me, because he included a lot of other colorful language
366. 23:22in there just to say, "Look, dude, I ain't never going home.
367. 23:25Like I'm never going home.
368. 23:26You're in here for some racial bull crap."
369. 23:29He's like, "Look, it's five different versions of events!
370. 23:31Which one is the state saying happened?"
371. 23:33Then he was like, "More importantly, there's a witness that is saying that he is with you
372. 23:36guys from the beginning to the end, and it was a student there!"
373. 23:39It was stuff that I wasn't ... All I knew was this: I was accused of a rape.
374. 23:44That's all I knew.
375. 23:45I didn't really know what we were accused of or anything like that until I got to the
376. 23:49trial and heard what it was, and just heard the ridiculousness of ... Like, wait a minute!
377. 23:53Dude, are you serious?!
378. 23:54It was like students all around, we're the only three black guys on campus, man.
379. 23:58I'm like, "Look, people saw us.
380. 23:59They knew where we were all during the party."
381. 24:06I looked at this, and I looked at this, and I started to read what was going on, and I
382. 24:11started to draft what I thought a petition would look like to get me home.
383. 24:19Simultaneously while drafting this, I was writing letters to as many people as I can
384. 24:24get in touch with.
385. 24:25Like seriously, when I tell you I was sending out 50 letters a week, I'm not lying.
386. 24:30I'm not making this up.
387. 24:31I got a hold to a typewriter and I typed out a letter explaining to people, "Look, I'm
388. 24:38innocent, this is my issue, these are my claims."
389. 24:41The letter would have a blank as to who it was going to and a blank as to the date, and
390. 24:47I would run off copies and I would send these things out every week.
391. 24:52You would only get 20 stamps allowed off canteen, and that's even crazy.
392. 24:58You can get like 50,000 bags of chips, but you can only get like 20 stamps?
393. 25:02Come on, man.
394. 25:03I'm not getting that.
395. 25:04Tom: That's crazy.
396. 25:05Jarrett: I started helping other people with legal work, and in return they would give
397. 25:09me stamps.
398. 25:11That's how I was able to mail out 50 a week.
399. 25:13Like I wrote everyone, trying to get help.
400. 25:15I told myself, I said, "Look, ..." Now, people, they weren't responding at first, but I was
401. 25:22like, all right.
402. 25:23Even if you respond to tell me to stop writing you, you're going to respond.
403. 25:26I was sending these things out, so I was getting feedback from certain organizations who are
404. 25:31on the way up as to opening up the door to showing the different in justices of the criminal
405. 25:37justice system, and helping society to understand that not every time someone walks across your
406. 25:43stream in the perp walk, what we call the perp walk, with handcuffs, and they're accused
407. 25:47of something, not every time that happens they are guilty of what they're accused of.
408. 25:55It was just one of these things where it was just like I told myself that I would be going
409. 26:01home each day, the next day, in order to keep myself from going crazy in there.
410. 26:06It was just one of these things where I was able to grow both writing these letters, watching
411. 26:12what was going on on the outside as much as possible, because I would go to the law library,
412. 26:16I would get the newspaper, and when I couldn't find case law in the library, I would write
413. 26:22different attorneys out of the newspaper, because they always show your name or your
414. 26:27address.
415. 26:28One of the guys' name was Robert [Hinick 00:26:28].
416. 26:30Robert [Hinick 00:26:29] was a criminal attorney who did post conviction work out of Milwaukee,
417. 26:34and he responded to my letter.
418. 26:35He started to help me edit the habeas petition where the body of work got me home with the
419. 26:43argument that was inside.
420. 26:44I would write it, mail it to him with one of the 50 letters I was sending out, he would
421. 26:50send it back edited.
422. 26:52I would do whatever edits I needed, send it back to him, and we did this for a short amount
423. 26:58of time until it was respectable, honestly.
424. 27:00I'm sitting up here doing this with a pen insert, you know what I mean?
425. 27:04A pen insert in the typewriter like it was going to be as best as it could.
426. 27:09I started to send out with my letters a draft of this thing, and that's when things started
427. 27:16to change.
428. 27:17I started to see people's response.
429. 27:19Tom: Now it was official, you could tell there was some meat to this.
430. 27:22Jarrett: This is what it is, like for real.
431. 27:24This is what it is, this is the case.
432. 27:26I started to talk the language of a lawyer.
433. 27:30I was like, okay, so that's what it is.
434. 27:34Tom: How old are you at this point?
435. 27:35Jarrett: At this point I was turning 22.
436. 27:36Tom: Wow.
437. 27:37Jarrett: I was turning 22, and that's the thing about prison.
438. 27:38Time doesn't go slow.
439. 27:39You'd think it does, but one Christmas would turn into like seven of them before you know
440. 27:44it.
441. 27:45Tom: That's really surprising.
442. 27:47Jarrett: It's the truth.
443. 27:49You find a way to pass the time in prison.
444. 27:53That old saying, "do the time, don't let the time do you," and stuff like that.
445. 27:58There's some truth to that psychologically, where you have to.
446. 28:02You read books and stuff like that to take you outside of the prison walls mentally.
447. 28:07Even though they hold you physically, you do not ever surrender your mental freedom
448. 28:14to the establishment.
449. 28:18Doing that, I started to take notes just like a diary, so to speak, on the people I met,
450. 28:25the people I would help.
451. 28:28My mother was keeping letters that I was writing to her.
452. 28:32Even in the letters that I was writing, you can see the evolution.
453. 28:37When I first started writing them, it was just like, "Yo, look Mom, I ain't do it.
454. 28:40You know me.
455. 28:41I love you."
456. 28:42Boom, that's it.
457. 28:43Then you started seeing, "Look, I just saw another case overturn.
458. 28:47This happened, that happened.
459. 28:48This can help with my case."
460. 28:49There was a maturation process, and in many ways, I received my certificate, my diploma,
461. 28:56from Loyola Law School, but I attended law school back in Green Bay Correctional Facility.
462. 29:02Tom: That's so powerful, because there's no substitute for the trenches.
463. 29:10There's no substitute for "this has to work."
464. 29:13I think that's the gift that being an entrepreneur has given me.
465. 29:19Not nearly as terrifying or profound as going to prison, but when you're building a company
466. 29:25and your house is on the line and everything is in it, there is no retreat.
467. 29:30Failure has real consequences.
468. 29:31It's not "I'm going to go get another job," it's "everything I have is taken away from
469. 29:34me and I am at ground zero."
470. 29:37I love that.
471. 29:38When I was reading your story, I thought, okay, no one would wish this on somebody,
472. 29:43certainly not somebody that they care about.
473. 29:45I don't even think I would be able to man up and wish it on myself knowing that there
474. 29:50are benefits, but there are benefits.
475. 29:53It's so interesting to hear you talk about the maturation process, to talk about how
476. 29:58you can see your life transforming before your very eyes.
477. 30:02That, to me, is why your story seems so exceptional.
478. 30:08So many people have gone through what you've gone through, sadly, but you're the only one
479. 30:12here for that reason.
480. 30:16How do you think about the blessings that came out of this?
481. 30:21Jarrett: Each and every day I'm looking at the blessings that have come.
482. 30:27Now, look, there's no way in hell I would have signed up for this.
483. 30:30Like, not at all.
484. 30:33Definitely, nah, I wouldn't have gave up all of my 20s, essentially, for this.
485. 30:40Not at all.
486. 30:43You look at it, and I'll give you an example like this: I'm out, and I felt like I had
487. 30:53missed so much, just so much.
488. 30:56February 2007, I'm home - I was arrested in 1998 - turning 27 on my mother's couch with
489. 31:04no credit, no insurance, nothing.
490. 31:07Then I started to catch up with old friends.
491. 31:12I started to run into old classmates, and I started to see something.
492. 31:17It was just like, damn, I have been gone.
493. 31:22I spotted you all a 10-year head start.
494. 31:25Like, man, this is ... It wasn't them, or it wasn't how remarkable I am, if I am at
495. 31:32all, it was life itself.
496. 31:33Life is hard.
497. 31:35Life is hard, and people who are born into different situations have a hard time appreciating
498. 31:40how hard it is for others.
499. 31:43Life is difficult.
500. 31:44I had a high school buddy, he only operates with one side of his body now.
501. 31:50He was shot up in a drug deal.
502. 31:53I looked at that.
503. 31:54I have another friend, he went to the Army.
504. 31:58There was an accident that happened, and he's not the same person anymore.
505. 32:03It's like, he escaped the neighborhood to go the Army in search of better opportunities
506. 32:10for him and his family.
507. 32:12I go unsigned-up to go to prison, in the hellish of conditions, and I make it out.
508. 32:19I'm not going to say unscathed, because that's definitely not the case, but I make it out
509. 32:22in relatively physical great health.
510. 32:27He goes to the Army to serve our country, and he's just like not the same person anymore.
511. 32:31It was like, yeah, the blessings were right there in front of me.
512. 32:37To tell you even more how I used what I saw in there to drive me every time I got tired,
513. 32:45the best story I could tell you was in the visiting room one day.
514. 32:49An hour before a visit with my mother and my aunts, I was out on the basketball court
515. 32:55again, but I wasn't playing.
516. 32:56I was actually reading over my case material stuff now.
517. 33:00I was looking at some guys, there was a game going on, and I thought the guys were referring
518. 33:06to each other as nicknames - Pops, Old Man, Grandpa and all that type.
519. 33:11It wasn't until I got on the visit and I realized, nah, that was like a grandfather, a father
520. 33:16and a son all in one prison.
521. 33:18They were there on unrelated offenses, all drugs, non-violent.
522. 33:26At the end of the visit, they have you stand up, meaning the visitors and the inmates,
523. 33:33to go back into general population and the visitors to go back past the security.
524. 33:37It wasn't then until it really hit home where I looked at the women who got up at the end
525. 33:43of the visit, and each one of them with a toddler in tow in their hand, walking to be
526. 33:51released.
527. 33:52I said to myself, "How many of them young black boys, girls, will grow to reach their
528. 34:00potential or go to become my replacement?"
529. 34:05I was just looking at stuff like that.
530. 34:08It gave me the opportunity to say, look, you can get out here and play victim if you want
531. 34:12to, because there's a lot of company for that.
532. 34:16You can come out of here and make sure that if there's ever a story written about you
533. 34:22or talked about or said about you, it won't end with, "Jarrett was wrongfully convicted,
534. 34:26he got out."
535. 34:28Nah, nah.
536. 34:29This 10 years that I gave is going to be meaningful in more than just being a story.
537. 34:37I'm telling you, every time I get tired I think back to certain things, like looking
538. 34:44at that in the visiting room.
539. 34:46Looking at my mother, just like how hopeless, helpless she was.
540. 34:51If I can have a law that allows me to ... I don't have to be rich, because rich people
541. 34:57have problems.
542. 34:58I just want to be able to go and not have to ask how much something costs before I order
543. 35:02it on the menu.
544. 35:03That's what I want, and to be able to afford to send my kids through college.
545. 35:07I'm not doing this to become wealthy or anything like that.
546. 35:11I really want to do this to see people live the lives that they deserve.
547. 35:17Life is really, really short, and I think that we don't value and appreciate our freedoms
548. 35:25and our opportunities in our life.
549. 35:27There are going to always be obstacles.
550. 35:30You're going to have to either go around them, go over them, or go right through them, but
551. 35:36you can't stop going.
552. 35:38You just can't.
553. 35:39When people ask me, "How were you able to do this?"
554. 35:41What other choice did I have?
555. 35:43I was coming home to an ever-changing environment in the city of Chicago, where it's like ... It's
556. 35:51just different.
557. 35:52It's different.
558. 35:53It's different right now in these neighborhoods.
559. 35:57I didn't have any skills, but I had something that a lot of people who come home from cases
560. 36:04such as mine don't have, and that was my youth.
561. 36:08A lot of people come home at the age of retirement with nothing to retire on, and they've been
562. 36:13exonerated of crimes.
563. 36:15When you're exonerated of a crime, you don't get the same help that people who parole out
564. 36:20of prison get.
565. 36:21They'll get halfway homes, parole officers, job readiness programs.
566. 36:27Yeah, they're inadequate services, but they get services.
567. 36:30When you are wrongfully convicted, you don't get anything.
568. 36:32Tom: That's crazy.
569. 36:33Jarrett: You don't.
570. 36:34Tom: That's crazy.
571. 36:35Jarrett: You don't.
572. 36:36It's not that people don't care, they just ... In society, things that make sense, you
573. 36:44don't really question it because you're like, "Nah, nah.
574. 36:47There's no way you're going to let a person out after doing all that time for something
575. 36:50they didn't do and you don't get anything.
576. 36:51That doesn't make sense."
577. 36:53Nah, it's happening.
578. 36:55It's real.
579. 36:56I had one of the best moments ever a few weeks back.
580. 37:03I was in the state of Wisconsin again, in court again, but this time I was an attorney,
581. 37:11co-counsel with Keith Findley, the director of the Innocence Project who got me out in
582. 37:15Wisconsin.
583. 37:16Me and him are working a case together, and we are representing a guy that we feel wholeheartedly
584. 37:22is innocent because the DNA evidence excludes him from ever being there.
585. 37:25It's like, what does that mean, right?
586. 37:26He didn't do it.
587. 37:27These courts don't look at it like that.
588. 37:29They believe in finality more than they believe in justice.
589. 37:33Being able to sit there, it was one of these moments where it was just like, look, monetarily
590. 37:40they could never repay me for what they have done to me, but when they have to address
591. 37:45me as counselor in this same court ... It's like a different feeling, man, it really is.
592. 37:52Tom: Do you like superhero movies?
593. 37:55Jarrett: I kind of do, like certain ones.
594. 37:58X-Men, I'm a big fan of all of those.
595. 38:00I like the idea of there being someone, when someone goes wrong and they just scream for
596. 38:05help, a silhouette will appear.
597. 38:07Tom: You and me both.
598. 38:08Jarrett: I like that idea, I do.
599. 38:11Tom: Going back to what you said a minute ago, what other choice did you have, when
600. 38:15people ask you how do you keep going, I love that for you there was no other option, but
601. 38:22the obvious option is to quit.
602. 38:23The obvious option, and it's the option almost everyone takes-
603. 38:27Jarrett: It's easy, too.
604. 38:28Tom: Is easy.
605. 38:29It's to do nothing, it's to retreat, it's to play the victim.
606. 38:33It is very rare that somebody constructs their mentality the way that you have to build themselves
607. 38:40up, to look at a system that they believe is fundamentally broken and say, "I'm actually
608. 38:45going to go back inside that system, I'm going to win your highest awards.
609. 38:48I'm going to demand your respect, not ask for it.
610. 38:51I'm going to demand your respect by winning the game as you have rigged it.
611. 38:56Jarrett: Exactly.
612. 38:57Tom: When you can win a game that you know is rigged but that you can still outplay and
613. 39:04outperform, that's a superhero.
614. 39:07The fact that you went back in, played their game, won, got everything anyone would ever
615. 39:13think that you would want, but then said, "That's actually just the beginning.
616. 39:17Now I'm going to go become a counselor, now I'm going to go back into the same system
617. 39:22that betrayed me, and I'm going to help other people that are in a similar situation.
618. 39:26It really is somebody calls help and the silhouette shows up, and you're the silhouette.
619. 39:32It's inspiring.
620. 39:34Jarrett: I thank you, and I hope that it's inspiring.
621. 39:38The reason that I hope that it's inspiring is because I need help.
622. 39:42What I mean by help is I don't necessarily need financial help, or food, but you could
623. 39:48feed me if you like, but ... Tom: Can somebody bring a lot of something
624. 39:52[crosstalk 00:39:52] please?
625. 39:54Jarrett: Yes.
626. 39:56If we don't get the people who are both affected by it and not affected by it to care about
627. 40:00it, it would never change.
628. 40:03What I'm advocating for is the change of our criminal justice system.
629. 40:10You may not think it benefits you.
630. 40:11Let me try to reach viewers another way.
631. 40:15Maybe you don't have anyone in jail.
632. 40:16Maybe you'll never go to jail.
633. 40:18However, what about a sickness?
634. 40:21How do you know we're not locking away and throwing away the key on someone who has groundbreaking
635. 40:26research to some type of pharmaceutical drug that can help save your life?
636. 40:31You don't know that.
637. 40:33You never would have thought that I would have been able to come and do all this, but
638. 40:36let me tell you this: They didn't serve me a smart peel in prison.
639. 40:39I didn't magically go there and be like, "Oh [inaudible 00:40:41] ready for the LSAT" and
640. 40:43all that.
641. 40:44Nah, that's not how it happened.
642. 40:45Like, no.
643. 40:46I had these talents before going to prison, but my candle was almost blew out before it
644. 40:52was even lit.
645. 40:53When I got there, and being able to have these other conversations with other inmates and
646. 40:58stuff like that, I still say to this day, I've worked with some of the brightest minds
647. 41:03and judges and lawyers and stuff like that.
648. 41:05Still, some of the people I've met with so much smarts, so much talent, were right in
649. 41:11prison.
650. 41:12Right in prison.
651. 41:14We've always decided that the best way to get out of stuff is to punish our way out
652. 41:18of it.
653. 41:19Where has it gotten us?
654. 41:20It hasn't gotten us anywhere.
655. 41:21Tom: What's the solution?
656. 41:22Jarrett: The solution is simple.
657. 41:24Look, this needs to be a curriculum.
658. 41:26Race in America needs to be a curriculum, and it needs to be a curriculum because it'll
659. 41:32trickle down into the effects that mess us up in society today.
660. 41:37Most Americans don't really realize the privilege that comes with who they are, not because
661. 41:43of who they are but how they look.
662. 41:45If we're teaching this as a curriculum, what it is to be black in America, what it is to
663. 41:51be African-American in America, what it is to be white in America, you start to change
664. 41:54the system from within.
665. 41:57Right now, we've got a bunch of Archie Bunkers making decisions for us in society, man.
666. 42:02Like, for real.
667. 42:03It's very clear now what's going on.
668. 42:06At this point, if stuff isn't changed, it's not changed because the people who have the
669. 42:12power to change it don't want it changed.
670. 42:14It's not changed because we don't have antidote or evidence to understand that, yo, the criminal
671. 42:18justice system is messed up.
672. 42:20That's not it.
673. 42:21It's not changed because the people who have the power to change it are benefiting from
674. 42:25it, and they have no need to change it.
675. 42:27Again, you cannot tell me that the person who runs for office and says, "Look, vote
676. 42:33for me because I'm going to protect you, make you safe.
677. 42:37I'm locking everybody up.
678. 42:39Lock them up, throw away the key."
679. 42:40Then we lock those people up, we house them for decades in violent situations, no job
680. 42:46training, no nothing.
681. 42:4792% of people who go to prison are coming home one day, and we release them right back
682. 42:52into that same community of people that we swore to protect.
683. 42:54That's okay?
684. 42:56That makes sense?
685. 42:57It doesn't, and I'm not that smart.
686. 43:01Even when I went to law school, I could look and tell, and size up competition.
687. 43:05I'm like, "Yeah, look, that girl with them glasses, she'll beat me to a punch in any
688. 43:10argument.
689. 43:11Like, for real."
690. 43:12What I would do was, she'd probably sleep.
691. 43:13I wasn't sleeping.
692. 43:15You could be smarter than me, but you were never going to outwork me, ever.
693. 43:18Like for real.
694. 43:19I would go hide from the janitor in the library just so I can use ... I couldn't afford printing
695. 43:25paper, so I would bounce from floor to floor.
696. 43:26If you was cleaning this floor, I was on the second floor.
697. 43:28If you was cleaning the second floor, I was back on the first, just to spend enough time
698. 43:31in there because I couldn't blow this opportunity.
699. 43:35I couldn't.
700. 43:36It meant more to the hope and impact that I hoped to have on young boys who looked like
701. 43:42myself to understand, "I need you all.
702. 43:43I need you all to stop giving up so easily and saying, 'Oh, forget it,' and just joining
703. 43:51into the cycle of hopelessness.
704. 43:53I need you to do what I did."
705. 43:56Seriously.
706. 43:57It may sound crazy, but nah, I need that to happen.
707. 44:00I need that to happen because I want to have kids one day.
708. 44:03I want to have kids and not have to worry about them being taken advantage of or being
709. 44:08born in circumstances where it's like they're looking and facing what I'm facing.
710. 44:13The only way I can do that is to do three things, man.
711. 44:17That's love God, loving my wife, recently married, and loving this life by living it
712. 44:24in a way in which I want to leave it for the kids that I have.
713. 44:27That's it.
714. 44:29I know the analogy of superhero was used.
715. 44:32I appreciate that, I really do.
716. 44:35If I didn't have this makeup on, I'd probably be blushing.
717. 44:40I'm at a point where it's like I've been on a breakneck pace, just a breakneck pace.
718. 44:46I want to do as much work as I can, start the movement of rooting this thing out from
719. 44:53the inside out.
720. 44:55There are no quick answers to big problems.
721. 45:00There just aren't any.
722. 45:01If you think we're going to pass a bill and everything is going to be A-OK, it's not going
723. 45:04to happen.
724. 45:05We need to take the long route and the most stable route, and that's to bring these curriculums
725. 45:09into our school.
726. 45:11I don't have all the answers at this point.
727. 45:14To be here, and I thank you again, it's like a coming out party because I'm able to share
728. 45:18my story, which I call my testimony, to others.
729. 45:21I don't do it to glorify myself.
730. 45:24It would be great to stick my chest out like a 10-foot peacock and be like, "Yo, look at
731. 45:29me."
732. 45:30More than anything, I would rather be somewhere sticking my toes in the sand, looking at what
733. 45:34other people are doing as a result of me starting a real conversation.
734. 45:38Tom: Let's get some more people that can help you.
735. 45:41Where can these guys find you online?
736. 45:42Jarrett: You can look up my website, JarrettAdams.com.
737. 45:45Tom: Spell it out for them, because it's not ...
738. 45:48Jarrett: It's JarrettAdams.com.
739. 45:51You could look up JarrettAdams.com.
740. 45:56I'm the co-founder of a non-profit called Life After Justice, and basically what it
741. 46:00does is it advocates for the change of the criminal justice system.
742. 46:05The change of it itself.
743. 46:08What better way to change the criminal justice system by having someone who has been there?
744. 46:13It is so hard to get a platform to get a voice when you've been there, rightfully or wrongfully.
745. 46:19I want people to understand a couple things.
746. 46:23I'm not a magic trick.
747. 46:24I'm absolutely real, 100%.
748. 46:27I didn't take a shortcut here.
749. 46:29It took me 10 years to get here.
750. 46:30I've been home since 2007.
751. 46:32It was no shortcut.
752. 46:34I didn't get a degree while I was in prison.
753. 46:36I went the long way.
754. 46:40To also get them to understand, if you think this is amazing, there are other amazing things
755. 46:44that could be done.
756. 46:45You don't have to look at this as an entire hill.
757. 46:48When you look at things in its entirety, it becomes such a daunting task that you don't
758. 46:52even want to deal with it.
759. 46:54If you look at what is in your area, go look up, and it's public record for you to ask
760. 47:02what the decision makers that you voted in are doing in terms of re-entry, the prison
761. 47:08itself.
762. 47:10Go check their record and find out what they're doing, and go hold them to the standard that
763. 47:16you voted them in on.
764. 47:19Again, the criminal justice is creating more problems than it's stopping.
765. 47:25If you use what the prison is producing, and you use that with a car company, and you had
766. 47:31the same numbers, it wouldn't keep continuing.
767. 47:36If more than 50% of the cars that come off a production line were back on that production
768. 47:45line for some reason within two, three years, the Congress would have a national debate
769. 47:51on how do we stop this particular car company.
770. 47:55Over 50% of the people who get out of prison come back in two to three years, and somehow
771. 48:01we're like, "We've got to get tougher on crime.
772. 48:03That's what it is.
773. 48:05They'll stop it eventually."
774. 48:06Tom: I think I know the answer to this question, but I'm going to ask, what's the impact that
775. 48:10you want to have on the world?
776. 48:11Jarrett: Well, I have an answer, but I also have something even better to go with that
777. 48:15answer.
778. 48:16I have a gift for you, my friend.
779. 48:17Tom: Wow.
780. 48:18That's an unexpected turn of events.
781. 48:20Jarrett: Yeah, I didn't want to come empty-handed.
782. 48:23This is a t-shirt, and it's a logo of my organization that I have.
783. 48:29I want to take the time to explain to you what this depiction means, because it's very
784. 48:33important for even people who don't know how to help and they want to help, to just get
785. 48:38one of these shirts.
786. 48:39Wear this shirt.
787. 48:40What this means is this: This is a picture of someone leaving out of prison, and the
788. 48:46bars are behind him.
789. 48:48The person that is leaving has a briefcase and has a suit on.
790. 48:53It's not a business person or a lawyer leaving out of prison, necessarily.
791. 48:57What that means is the person is putting the worst behind them, with the representation
792. 49:01of the bars, and they're walking out with the hopes and the dreams and the aspirations
793. 49:06of being productive in society, to be able to live and just have a life.
794. 49:10You can't get to that if we still have the depiction of the people who leave from prison
795. 49:16as someone who looks like a character off Oz.
796. 49:19That's the whole meaning of having this logo represent the mission statement.
797. 49:25It's more than just a logo.
798. 49:28It was difficult going back and forth.
799. 49:29I would have loved to just have like a Nike swoosh [crosstalk 00:49:32] but I couldn't.
800. 49:34I was like, we need to put some thought in this.
801. 49:36This is yours, my friend.
802. 49:37Tom: Wow, thank you.
803. 49:38Thank you very much.
804. 49:39Fantastic.
805. 49:40Jarrett: That's my impact.
806. 49:41My impact that I hope to have is to break down the barriers and the stigmas that society
807. 49:47has allowed to be placed on people who go to the prison system.
808. 49:50Tom: That's incredible.
809. 49:52Jarrett, thank you so much, brother.
810. 49:54That was incredible.
811. 49:55Jarrett: Thank you.
812. 49:56Thank you for having me.
813. 49:57Tom: My pleasure, trust me.
814. 49:58Jarrett: Thank you all.
815. 49:59Thank you all for making this happen.
816. 50:00Tom: Guys, I don't know if you just got rocked as hard as I did, but that was absolutely
817. 50:05incredible.
818. 50:06Through the whole interview, all I could think about was his mom, and, God, if she's not
819. 50:10as proud of this man as I am, then I don't know what's going on.
820. 50:14Jarrett: She is.
821. 50:15Tom: Absolutely amazing.
822. 50:16A story of mindset, a story of transformation, a story of not making excuses, of starting
823. 50:22where you start and building from there, but absolutely insisting on building.
824. 50:27When he said that there was no choice, the thought of quitting didn't even cross his
825. 50:32mind, that's what I love.
826. 50:33That was the thing that really made him somebody that we had to have come onto the show.
827. 50:38As I researched this story and read about what happened, it was all overshadowed by
828. 50:44how he reacted.
829. 50:45At the end of the day, we can't control what happens to us, but we absolutely can control
830. 50:49how we react.
831. 50:50The way that this man has reacted inspires the shit out of me.
832. 50:54I hope he inspires you guys as much as he did me.
833. 50:56All right, this is a weekly show.
834. 50:58If you haven't already, be sure to subscribe.
835. 50:59My friends, until next time, be like this guy.
836. 51:02Peace out.
837. 51:03Jarrett: Thank you.
838. 51:04Tom: My man.
839. 51:05Thank you so much.
840. 51:07Jarrett: Thank you.
841. 51:08Tom: That was incredible.
842. 51:09Jarrett: I appreciate it, man.
843. 51:11Tom: Absolutely.
844. 51:12Hey everybody.
845. 51:13Thanks so much for joining us for another episode of Impact Theory.
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