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0:00on the 3rd of November 2016 police
0:04searching for a missing couple as a
0:06property in Woodruff South Carolina made
0:09an incredible discovery
0:13how are you honey
0:1630 year old Kayla Brown had been chained
0:19up in a metal storage container for 65
0:22days her boyfriend Charlie Carver had
0:26been shot dead
0:28in the corner came up and said that they
0:30had positive ID that it was Charlie
0:35that was a hard time
0:37you just don't want to hear those words
0:39how can a man just walk out not knowing
0:42who this person was anything about this
0:45person and just in his life right there
0:47the killer was a popular real estate
0:49agent named Todd kohlhepp police would
0:53soon discover two more bodies on the
0:56grounds of his property
0:58but the 45 year old had even more
1:01skeletons in his closet the murder of
1:03four employees at a motorcycle
1:05dealership 13 years earlier
1:09Todd describes that before he leaves the
1:11scene he goes back to each victim and
1:14shoots him in the head before he leaves
1:16in total Cole Hep had taken the lives of
1:19seven people the Twisted serial killer
1:22had been hiding in plain sight for over
1:25a decade
1:26getting away with those murders signal
1:30signal that there are no consequences
1:31for this for this I can kill and I can
1:33get away with it
1:35Todd Cole Hep had been unmasked as one
1:38of the world's most evil killers
1:44[Music]
1:46thank you
1:50[Music]
2:06when 45 year old real estate agent Todd
2:10kohlhepp was arrested for the murder of
2:13three people and the kidnap of another
2:15on his property in Woodruff South
2:18Carolina in November
2:202016. investigators had no idea he was
2:25also responsible for an unsolved
2:27shooting spree which killed four others
2:3013 years earlier
2:33journalist Daniel gross knows kohlhepp's
2:36story better than most
2:39when I hear the name Todd kohlhab I
2:41picture
2:42him sitting in that interrogation room
2:45when he was initially arrested and in
2:49his mind he had those investigators
2:51wrapped around his finger he was
2:53confessing to a murder that they were
2:55not able to solve for 13 years and so um
2:58just when I see his name or see his face
3:01I always just think about his ego and
3:04personality behind
3:06the man that that's murdered all these
3:08people
3:09so you pulled out the Beretta and what
3:11happened
3:13um shot the mechanic twice
3:16they had heard the gunshots in the back
3:18and we're coming this way to figure out
3:19what had happened
3:20I had three people in front of me I
3:22dropped the news
3:24Daniel continues to discover more about
3:28the deranged serial killer coldhap
3:31regularly pens letters to him from his
3:34cell
3:35I mean as a journalist this is one of
3:37those cases that you only really dream
3:39up you know it's sort of Larger than
3:41Life almost like a you're just reading a
3:45horror book or something
3:48even today you know he's in prison for
3:50the rest of his life he's convicted of
3:52murdering seven people I almost feel
3:54like we're still just scratching the
3:55surface
3:56this killer Story begins in the Sunshine
3:59State of Florida
4:02Todd samsel was born in Fort Lauderdale
4:05on the 7th of March 1971 but his parents
4:10split up when he was just two Todd
4:13adopted his stepfather's surname coleheb
4:15when his mother remarried but his
4:18formative years were far from happy
4:22when we look back at Cole hep's
4:24childhood we are almost ticking off all
4:26of the warning sign behaviors for serial
4:28homicide we've got somebody who has real
4:31difficulty forming relationships with
4:33his peers so he doesn't see children his
4:37own age as potential allies potential
4:39friends he sees them as competitors he
4:42can only communicate and interact with
4:44them aggressively he basically wants to
4:47crush everybody else and to come out
4:49Victorious we also have a history of
4:52animal cruelty we know that he bleached
4:54a goldfish we know that he shot a dog
4:56with an air gun here is somebody who
4:59enjoys causing harm to other people and
5:01other living creatures it's something
5:03that makes him feel powerful and that
5:05sadism is a thread that will run
5:07throughout the rest of his life the
5:10family relocated to South Carolina but
5:13Cole hep's mother divorced again in 1982
5:16the couple would go on to remarry each
5:19other several times throughout Todd's
5:21life
5:23twelve-year-old Todd was causing so much
5:27disruption at home that a decision was
5:29made to move him 2 000 miles across the
5:33country
5:34eventually he was fed up with living
5:35here and convinced his mother to let him
5:39go live with his birth father who he
5:41really hadn't seen at all in Arizona
5:44and I think that might have been a way
5:45for him to try to see life in a new
5:48light and maybe get a fresh start change
5:50a scene change a venue
5:52but there was to be no improvement in
5:55Todd's behavior in fact in November 1986
5:59the troubled teenager would soon turn to
6:03violent crime
6:05he was 15 years old and the reports say
6:08that he had gone outside and found a
6:11neighbor who was a 14 year old girl
6:14he ended up kidnapping her and taking
6:16him back to his father's house
6:18and and that's where he he duct taped
6:20her mouth he held a pistol to her head
6:22and sexually assaulted her
6:25it was a horrific and unprovoked attack
6:30he threatens to kill her he says if you
6:32tell anyone about this I'll kill your
6:34family I'll kill your siblings I'll kill
6:36you I mean scared her to death
6:38it's chilling genuinely chilling the
6:41he's so convinced of his own importance
6:45so convinced of his own superiority that
6:48he can get away with anything he really
6:50does think that the girl won't tell
6:51anyone
6:52but the girl's family were already
6:55concerned for the missing Teenager her
6:58young brother had recently been taught
7:00what to do if you need help in an
7:02emergency and he had raised the alarm
7:06the right victim had a five-year-old
7:08brother and he was concerned that he
7:10couldn't find her so he called the
7:12police and as he was on the phone to the
7:15police his sister comes in through the
7:17door and then talks to the officers and
7:19tells them what had happened but for me
7:22the interesting thing is is Carl hep's
7:24reaction when he was arrested because
7:26his overriding concern was how much
7:29trouble am I in how much prison time am
7:31I likely to serve absolutely no concern
7:34for his victim whatsoever it's all me
7:36myself and I
7:39in October 1987 age just 16. Todd
7:44colehemp was sent to prison for 15 years
7:48you know a lot of people say that's your
7:50time for rehabilitation
7:52um I think frittata was the opposite I
7:53think he he sat there and continued to
7:56Harbor all of this inner struggle
7:59after serving his sentence kohlhepp was
8:02released on November the 24th 2001. he'd
8:06spent almost half his life in prison
8:09so now he's 30 years old
8:11and newly out of prison so of course
8:14he's going to move back to South
8:16Carolina to be with his mom when cohab
8:19is released he starts an image
8:22management campaign essentially during
8:24his time in prison he's performed this
8:26role as a model inmate now he's been
8:28released he needs to basically do some
8:31damage limitation in terms of
8:33establishing a new life for himself
8:35five years after his release in 2006
8:39Cole have applied for a real estate
8:41license in South Carolina despite being
8:44on the sex offenders register the 35
8:47year old managed to talk his way around
8:49it
8:51they raised that issue with him and said
8:52well we know you're applying for this
8:54license but there's this on your record
8:56and he submitted a letter essentially
8:58just downplaying the entire conviction
9:03and he basically explains this offense
9:05as a misunderstanding between him and a
9:08girlfriend so he's basically saying well
9:11this was this was hurtful this wasn't
9:13really me
9:15in June 2006 Cole hip was granted his
9:19real estate agent's license he opened
9:22his own business and on the outside was
9:25living the life of a well-respected
9:27model citizen albeit with an unhealthy
9:31fascination
9:32for guns kohap was an avid collector of
9:36firearms and I think this is something
9:38that he inherited in a way from his
9:40father who also had quite a considerable
9:43collection but I think for me it's about
9:45what Firearms represents they represent
9:47power they represent Authority and I
9:50think if you look at them in the context
9:52of Cole hepb's other hobbies and
9:54interests they are quite grandiose they
9:56are quite alpha male so he had a pilot's
9:59license he was into motorbikes he liked
10:03fast cars so all of this paints a
10:05picture of the the kind of American
10:07Dream you know the the Macho American
10:09character
10:11but This Charming Man about town was
10:14hiding a huge secret in November 2003
10:18less than three years before becoming a
10:21successful real estate agent Todd Cole
10:24happened gunned down four people in Cold
10:26Blood
10:28on the 6th of November coldhep walked
10:31into a local motorcycle dealership
10:33called Superbike Motorsports
10:36Scott Ponder opened it and he had a
10:39passion for motorcycles loved to ride
10:41you know so they built this whole
10:42business around this motorcycle shop and
10:45people knew about them you know it was
10:47it was a thriving business and it was a
10:48family business
10:5030 year old Scott employed a small
10:53number of people including his 52 year
10:55old mother Beverly guy
10:58Scott's wife had moved to South Carolina
11:00from Arizona to be with her husband they
11:04were married in January 2002. from a
11:09young age
11:10and teen years he was
11:12human motorcycles and
11:14I think early on in his years he always
11:17planned on having his own motorcycle
11:19dealership like he knew that that that
11:21would happen
11:22he was
11:24just a gentle person he had the ability
11:27to make you feel really comfortable
11:30I think which is why he was so
11:31successful in his business is because
11:33people that came in were immediately put
11:36at ease with just his demeanor
11:39in November 2003 Melissa had recently
11:43found out that she was pregnant with the
11:46couple's first child
11:48so Scott was not going to actually go to
11:50that first appointment with me he was
11:52busy and at the last minute he just
11:55decided you know what I'm gonna go hear
11:57the heartbeat I've never heard this
11:58before and this is new and exciting and
12:01so he surprised me by showing up at the
12:04hospital
12:05I'm going to Forever remember that day
12:08because
12:10he wasn't supposed to be there and he
12:12was and we walked in and we were able to
12:14experience that together and it was
12:17pretty exciting you know for them to
12:19find this Beating Heart and us to you
12:22know get excited over the fact that yay
12:24we're gonna we're gonna have a family
12:26and
12:27that was a good day for us I never would
12:29have imagined that two days later it
12:32would all change
12:35on the day of the attack at Superbike
12:37Motorsports nothing seemed out of the
12:41ordinary
12:42so November 6th of 2003 he went on to
12:47work
12:48and I got ready for work and my last
12:53memory in my mind in the picture I have
12:55in my mind as I passed the motorcycle
12:57dealership that morning and honked at
13:00him and he was standing at the side of
13:02the dealership and he waved and blew a
13:04kiss and that's honestly the last time I
13:06ever saw him alive
13:08at around 3 P.M Melissa received a call
13:12from a concerned colleague who'd heard
13:14news of a shooting at the bike shop she
13:17immediately raced across town
13:19I got to the location that all of the
13:23law enforcement was at and there was a
13:25good 10 or 12 law enforcement vehicles
13:28with their lights on had the road
13:29blocked off and I just ran past all of
13:33them and said that's my husband's
13:34business down there and I just started
13:36running
13:37before she could get near Melissa was
13:40escorted home by police officers
13:42together they sat and waited for news
13:45from the crime scene
13:47I was standing at my front glass door
13:50just looking out front and I see
13:53Spartanburg County coroner drive up my
13:56driveway
13:58so two people walked in
14:00told me to have a seat the woman
14:02immediately started talking and she
14:04identified herself as one of the
14:06coroners and she just said we had an
14:08unfortunate event happen at your
14:10husband's business today
14:13Scott was shot and killed
14:16the bottom fell out of Melissa's world
14:21and I immediately started crying and
14:24said I don't I don't know what I'm gonna
14:26do
14:27I'm pregnant I can't run this business
14:29by myself I'm
14:31you know just sorrow
14:34I started to think you know his mom I've
14:37got to call his mom where's his mom I
14:38need to talk to her where is she where's
14:40where's Beverly and
14:43that is when they told me that his mom
14:46had been shot and killed as well and
14:48that Brian Lucas had been shot and
14:50killed and they hadn't identified the
14:52fourth victim yet because he didn't have
14:54any identification on him
14:55the full victim was 26 year old mechanic
14:59Chris sherbutz Chris Brian Lucas Beverly
15:03guy and her son Scott Ponder had all
15:07been murdered in Cold Blood
15:09the identity of the gunman was a mystery
15:15seven months later in June 2004 Melissa
15:19gave birth to a 10 pound baby boy and
15:22named him Scott Jr
15:26he changed everything for me
15:29I um
15:30the first moment I laid eyes on him I
15:33thought this is why I'm still here
15:35because honestly I wanted to have been
15:37down there at the dealership that day
15:38and just taken with him it was so hard
15:42but yeah as soon as they put that little
15:43boy in in my arms I I knew that that was
15:46my sole purpose why I was still here
15:49Scots never knew his father and over 15
15:53years later his mum must never let the
15:56memories fade
15:58told me a lot about him and how uh
16:02he liked to uh mess with my grandma a
16:05lot back when he was younger and he
16:07thought it was funny
16:08and she liked to tell a lot of stories
16:10about him and uh it helped me like just
16:14picture
16:15what I mean who he really was
16:18during his birthdays usually I'm in
16:19school so she takes me out of school and
16:22we go to lunch we just kind of celebrate
16:24his life I guess and not not feel down
16:27about it just have a day where we
16:29celebrate him and just him you know
16:32the investigation into the quadruple
16:35murder at Superbike Motorsports unearth
16:39no obvious suspects nothing had been
16:42stolen and there were no witnesses to
16:44the crime
16:45but suddenly in late 2004 the police had
16:50an unlikely suspect on their radar
16:54it wasn't until my son was about six
16:56months old
16:57that
16:59I got called into the sheriff's
17:01department and they said we have
17:03something we need to talk to you about
17:04it's really serious
17:06and my first inclination was they know
17:08who did this and they want to talk to me
17:11about it so they sat me down in a room
17:13an interrogation room and said we
17:16took DNA from a diaper you left here a
17:19couple of weeks ago
17:21and we sent it off and compared it to
17:23the blood from the crime scene and we
17:25have DNA that does not match up with
17:28your husband's and so we need you to
17:31tell us
17:32what's going on who's who's your baby's
17:36father
17:37you know how do you play a role in all I
17:40mean I was taken so far back I couldn't
17:44believe it
17:45Melissa had turned from a victim to a
17:49suspect
17:50she was so stunned by the accusations
17:52that she offered to have Scott's body
17:55exhumed so a new DNA sample could be
17:58taken to prove her innocence
18:01okay it took about a month
18:04when I I received a call back from them
18:07in essence what they told me is Scott
18:10and Brian's blood vials were mislabeled
18:14somebody put the wrong name on the DNA
18:19and so they were doing a DNA test of my
18:22son with Brian Lucas not knowing it was
18:25Brian Lucas's blood they just thought I
18:27had had an affair it had been a year of
18:31hell for Melissa
18:33it it broke my heart it broke my spirit
18:35I decided to move back to Arizona when
18:39my child was one I just figured it was
18:42time for me to start back over in my
18:45home area
18:47and kind of get us out of the public eye
18:49because everybody knew who we were here
18:51and I I didn't want to raise my son that
18:54way
18:55the police had zero suspects and the
18:59murders would go unsold for over a
19:01decade but the perpetrator was hiding in
19:05plain sight a disgruntled customer who'd
19:08taken his frustration out in the most
19:11extreme and callous way
19:14the killer was Todd cohab there is
19:17records of him being in the store and
19:21the shop owner and manager and some
19:23others have apparently making fun of him
19:25in a way sort of a lighthearted banter
19:28you know they were they were known to to
19:30joke around
19:34Todd being Todd that just fueled a fire
19:36in him you know whereas anybody else
19:38it's like okay if somebody's joking
19:39towards me or making fun of me even
19:42you know it's it is what it is you know
19:44they move on right
19:46um but Todd's not gonna take take that
19:48from anybody and them making fun of them
19:51he felt that they had to pay
19:53Cole have returned to the bike shop on
19:56the 6th of November 2003 and waited
20:00until no other customers were in the
20:02store he then drew a gun and exacted his
20:07revenge
20:09and just one by one Todd X some he
20:12shoots them cold blood Brian and Scott
20:15actually were the last to be shot and
20:18after they saw what was happening they
20:20started to run for the front door and
20:22Todd was able to shoot both of them
20:24right outside the door
20:26I think getting away with those Murders
20:29At The Bike Shop would have been really
20:31meaningful
20:32um for Cole hat because it signals to
20:35him that there are no consequences to
20:37this I can kill and I can get away with
20:40it
20:41feeling Invincible Cole Hep would spend
20:44the next decade honing a successful
20:47career as one of the top real estate
20:49agents in Spartanburg but in 2015 Cole
20:54heps Lust For Blood returned
20:57the 44 year old had recently acquired a
21:00large plot of land in Woodruff South
21:03Carolina the 95 acre grounds would soon
21:07become kohlhepp's Killing Fields
21:10on the 22nd of December 2015 29 year old
21:15Johnny coxy and his 25 year old wife
21:18Megan were reported missing
21:21Megan and Johnny were a young married
21:23couple in their 20s and they were quite
21:26vulnerable they had experienced quite a
21:28few issues in the past drug addiction
21:31they'd had that their child removed by
21:34by social services and they came to know
21:38Cole hap because he offered them work
21:40working on his property doing manual
21:44labor so I think he very much saw that
21:48vulnerability in them and and exploited
21:51that because Cole Hep is a predator and
21:55he is very good at spotting
21:57vulnerabilities in other people
21:59colap sees them as almost a perfect pair
22:03of victims
22:04so he makes a pretense on the 19th of
22:07December 2015 he says I would like you
22:09to come out to the Woodruff property I
22:12need some clearing to be done now not
22:14many people are going to miss them I
22:16mean they've been living rough they they
22:19haven't got lots and lots of relatives
22:21around
22:23he takes them to the property they get
22:25out of the car
22:28and he shoots Johnny
22:30he drops dead he then takes Megan coxy
22:34and puts her into a container
22:38and holds her captive for about a week
22:42in a bid to escape the clutches of
22:44coldhap Megan started a fire in her
22:47makeshift prison
22:49just like her husband she was executed
22:52in Cold Blood by the Twisted killer
22:57he said she was acting like a caged
22:59animal and so he said quite
23:01matter-of-factly I put a bullet in the
23:03back of her head so now he's got two
23:05bodies
23:07he digs Graves for them both
23:09and buries him on the property goes back
23:12to work as a real estate agent
23:14as if nothing whatever had happened
23:18the police had no leads in The
23:20Disappearance of Johnny and Megan coxy
23:22once again coal heppard got away with
23:25murder and eight months later he was
23:28ready to kill again
23:30on the 4th of September 2016 a family
23:35made a call to the police to report that
23:37their 32-year-old son Charles David
23:40Carver known as Charlie was missing he
23:44was just a caring person he always
23:45wanted to help people he'd give you the
23:47last two dollars
23:49out of his wallet and the shirt off his
23:52back if you needed it you know he was
23:54just that kind of a guy
23:56seemed like a happy life Charlie would
23:59text his father every day or every other
24:01day they'd talk about sports
24:04um so he lived a pretty normal life
24:06the last text I got from him before he
24:08went missing was about football
24:11and it was just a funny cartoon
24:14and I still have it
24:17alongside Charlie his new girlfriend
24:20Kayla Brown had also disappeared
24:24I ran into Charlie and Kayla at Walmart
24:27on a Saturday we were shopping and they
24:31were coming out and he introduced Kayla
24:34to us and that was the first time I'd
24:36met her and
24:40five days later
24:41they went missing
24:44in late August Charlie and his
24:47girlfriend had been contacted by a
24:50friend of 30 year old Kayla Todd kolhap
24:54Kayla had already known Todd collab they
24:58had met previously and they had chatted
25:02online on Facebook pretty often and you
25:05know at some point kolhap had offered
25:08for Kayla to work for him as well you
25:11know he was looking for work and he knew
25:13Kayla as sort of a friend at this point
25:16days turned into weeks and Charlie and
25:20Kayla failed to return home they had
25:23seemingly vanished off the face of the
25:26Earth about 30 days into it my wife and
25:31I taught and I said
25:33something's wrong I don't know what's
25:35what has happened but
25:37just had that apparent feeling that
25:40you know it wasn't going to be good
25:43and so we set our kids down and three
25:46youngest and said
25:48this may not you know
25:51end well you know your brother may be
25:54gone
25:56this such continued into October 2016
26:00but it would be in vain Charlie Carver
26:03had been dead since the 31st of August
26:08just like Johnny and Megan coxy Charlie
26:11and Kayla's visit to kolhaps Woodruff
26:14home would end in tragedy
26:17so they came together on the property
26:18and without hesitation Todd kohlhepp
26:22ends up shooting Charlie three times in
26:25the chest and he drops to the floor
26:27at this point Caleb Brown is just
26:29stunned you know this she just watched
26:31her boyfriend get murdered in front of
26:33her not sure what to do basically silent
26:36just standing there in fear and colab
26:39then goes to her
26:40shoves her in the shipping container and
26:43chains her up inside there
26:45just like Megan coxy Kayla Brown became
26:49Todd kohlhepp's prisoner
26:51the next two months Kayla Brown is in
26:54captivity she's on that property no
26:56one's heard from her no one knows where
26:58she is meanwhile kohlhepp is still
27:00living his normal life he's going to
27:02work he's working late hours he's
27:04talking to people like normal I think
27:06he's convinced himself that it's all
27:08worked that my fantasies come true I
27:10have my captive I go there every day do
27:13what I want with her and I resume my
27:15quotes ordinary life outside
27:18he is so obsessed with his own
27:21satisfaction with his own personality
27:23with that God complex of his that he
27:26doesn't believe for one second that she
27:29will ever leave his clutches the perfect
27:33fly in the spider's web she is his and
27:36will remain his
27:38but this time by utilizing cell phone
27:41triangulation the police were hot on the
27:44heels of Todd coleb then they realized
27:48that Kayla's phone is pinging in
27:51Spartanburg County so they reach out to
27:52Spartanburg
27:53and from there they learn property
27:55records and they can see that okay this
27:57prop piece of property is owned by a man
27:58named Todd kohlhab
28:00on the 3rd of November 2016 two months
28:04after The Disappearance of Charlie
28:06Carver and Kayla Brown the police were
28:09ready to swoop
28:11we've got investigators in Spartanburg
28:14that go to Kohl's house which is about
28:1620 minutes or so from the Woodruff
28:19property
28:19and meanwhile there's another team of
28:21investigators that go to the Woodruff
28:23property with a search warrant
28:25and they get into the property and they
28:27start looking they find Kayla chained up
28:30in the container they hear her inside
28:32they take a long time to kind of cut
28:34through all the chains and locks that
28:36had been on the container open it up
28:38find her rescue her
28:42wonderful video of them actually opening
28:45the container taken by the police at the
28:47time it's extraordinary
28:50and they they walk in and right at the
28:52back of the container right at the far
28:54end there she is
28:56there was no sign of Charlie
29:00do you know where your buddy is
29:05investigators radio this dramatic update
29:08through to their colleagues at Cole
29:10hepb's home
29:11we have Kayla
29:14we have Caleb
29:16in your property
29:17she was locked in a container
29:20okay
29:21she has told us
29:23that you shot and killed Charlie
29:26at this point Co-op just shuts down he
29:28kind of gives this Blank Stare and he
29:30goes I don't know what you're talking
29:31about
29:33why'd you shoot it I didn't cheat
29:35anybody sir
29:36okay why'd you lock her in a container
29:38in your property
29:41she's on your property right now locked
29:43in the container
29:44and they're pressing him on it saying
29:46we've got Kayla now you can either
29:48cooperate and tell us more tell us where
29:50Charlie is or we could go the hard way
29:54he's saying you buried Charlie's body on
29:55that property
29:59so you're saying you didn't lock her up
30:01you didn't put her in the comics box or
30:03anything
30:05find money to turn
30:07uh probably a good thing go ahead and
30:09put him in the back of your car
30:11finally Todd coldhep was safely Behind
30:14Bars Kayla Brown had been saved after a
30:17terrifying ordeal he held her in a
30:20storage container for 65 days and and
30:24subjected her to the most horrendous
30:26sexual violence and he raped her twice a
30:30day on some occasion she was simply
30:33there as his play thing to be used as he
30:36wished she reported that that Cole had
30:39told her that he owned her that she was
30:42his possession and that is very
30:44indicative of of somebody who is
30:47controlling somebody who sees women as
30:49objects somebody who is inherently a
30:52misogynist so I think her account is a
30:55really valuable one and I'm just very
30:57thankful that she survived to tell the
30:59tale
31:00unlike Megan who we know sort of put up
31:03a fight and was very in very
31:05disagreement with collab
31:07um I think Kayla did what she had to do
31:09to to get by ultimately you know she was
31:12rescued and I don't know if she ever
31:13thought she would be rescued But
31:14ultimately that happened
31:17but there was no good news for the
31:19Carver family
31:22I guess it was that Saturday night about
31:24seven o'clock it was dark
31:28and the coroner came up
31:30and said that they had positive ID that
31:34it was Charlie
31:38foreign
31:43you just don't want to hear those words
31:48Days Later Chuck was able to visit the
31:51Woodruff property where his son's life
31:54had been so cruelly taken away
31:57standing there on that gravel driveway
32:01close to the same area where he would
32:04have probably been laying I was just
32:05like
32:06how could he do this
32:10How could a man just walk out not
32:12knowing
32:12who this person was
32:15anything about this person
32:18and just end his life right there
32:21lying close to Charlie Carver on the
32:24grounds of Todd kohlhepp's Woodruff
32:26property with the bodies of Johnny and
32:28Megan coxy all three had been shot and
32:32left in Shallow Graves
32:35meanwhile Todd is already in jail
32:37arrested and so the the murder charges
32:40are already sort of stacking up against
32:41him while he's sitting there in those
32:42first initial days and being caught Todd
32:46is already explaining to investigators
32:47hey if you listen to me and if you know
32:50maybe if we work out a deal
32:51I've got a lot more to tell you guys
32:54charged with three murders and the
32:57imprisonment of Kayla Brown Todd
33:00kohlhepp was about to confess to a crime
33:02that had gone unsold for 13 years the
33:06Revelation would leave investigators
33:08completely dumbfounded he revealed to
33:11investigators that he had even more to
33:15tell them
33:16he is just going in depth in great
33:20detail about the various things that he
33:22did including and most importantly
33:25the murders of the superbug Motorsports
33:27families
33:31under 30 seconds
33:39I'm sorry but you guys would have been
33:42proud
33:44and when he's describing to the police
33:46what happened he's bragging about it
33:48he's saying you would have been proud of
33:50me he's looking for validation he's he's
33:53wanting other people to be impressed by
33:55him and we see this often in cases of
33:58serial killers once they are linked to a
34:01particular crime or a series of crime
34:03they want to take the credit for it they
34:05want full recognition for what they've
34:06done
34:08I had to wait for them one of the guys
34:10wasn't there I had to wait for him to
34:12come in
34:14finally all four shows up
34:16the investigators were completely taken
34:19back Cole had new details of the four
34:22Superbike killings that had never been
34:24made public they decided to call the
34:28families of the victims including the
34:30Widow of Scott Ponder Melissa brackman
34:35I was walking out of the movie theater
34:37with my family and it was Detective
34:39lachika and he wanted to know
34:43if I would be available in an hour that
34:46I needed to be able to talk to him and
34:49be home
34:50and I said sure
34:55and so he calls me and and he said we
34:58have a confession to the super Pike and
35:01I break down and I
35:04just I can't believe it like are you are
35:08you serious and he's like this is not
35:09something I would kid with you about and
35:11he started to explain have you been
35:13following the news there was a girl that
35:15we just recovered and I said I have been
35:17following that story and like how does
35:19that relate you know and he says it is
35:21the same guy
35:22after 13 years of unanswered questions
35:26Melissa couldn't quite believe that the
35:29mystery of who killed her husband had
35:31been solved
35:32[Music]
35:35I was happy I was angry I was sad I was
35:41in question of everything like what was
35:44his motive you know why would why would
35:46he have gone and why did he kill my
35:48mother-in-law why didn't you know if he
35:50was mad at the dealership why would he
35:51take out my mother-in-law what what's
35:54that about
35:56the community of Spartanburg where Cole
35:59Hep was lauded as a well-respected real
36:02estate agent was stunned a serial killer
36:05had been operating in their midst
36:09at this point collapse has confessed to
36:12these four murders he's confessed to
36:15killing Charlie Carver and the coxes so
36:18he's got seven murder charges stacked
36:20against him and the kidnapping of Kayla
36:24and shortly after since he's confessed
36:27there's they don't need to go to trial
36:29he ends up taking a plea agreement if
36:33you plead guilty to these seven murders
36:36will give you a life sentence and you'll
36:38avoid the death penalty and so he said
36:40sign me up
36:41on the 26th of May
36:442017 Todd kohlhepp was given seven
36:47consecutive life sentences one for each
36:51of his victims plus another 60 years for
36:54the kidnap of Kayla Brown
36:58years later at a civil Hearing in July
37:012019 the victim's loved ones seeking
37:05compensation from Cole heps estate were
37:08given an opportunity to confront the
37:11Killer
37:13the whole time I was talking we were
37:15engaged you know he wasn't looking at
37:18the ceiling or the walls or the floor
37:20it was me and him
37:22and I was telling my story of Charlie
37:25how he's lost
37:27has impacted me and my family
37:30as I finished up our attorney asked me
37:34what was the amount of Damages we were
37:36seeking I said yeah I wasn't seeking a
37:39certain amount because you can't put an
37:41amount on a person's life
37:43and no amount of money was going to
37:45bring him back
37:49because I'm only tired to hear that
37:57I wanted Todd to understand what he took
38:01[Music]
38:03from me
38:08also at the lawsuit hearing with a
38:11family of Scott Ponder including his
38:14widow Melissa
38:17and it was such a powerful moment
38:20because she had actually taken the stand
38:23to explain you know what what this has
38:25meant to her and what this has done to
38:26her and she used the opportunity to
38:28forgive collab which is so rare to see
38:31you know somebody who destroyed her life
38:34in a sense and you know killed her
38:36husband
38:38she took the high road and she sat there
38:40and she looked him squared in the eye
38:41and said Mr collab I forgive you
38:45did I really owe him not really but I
38:48just needed him to understand that you
38:50know what his reasoning and what he's
38:52using
38:54was playful banter from a couple of guys
38:58that joke around a lot and that was the
39:00environment and
39:02you know that was hard the normal person
39:04does not go in and wipe four people out
39:07because they piss you off
39:12as well as Melissa her son Scott was
39:15given the opportunity to look into the
39:17eyes of the man who'd taken the life of
39:19his father just months before he was
39:22born
39:24Scott showed maturity Beyond his years
39:27and is certain that his actions would be
39:30met with approval from his father
39:33I knew that he'd be proud of me and my
39:36mom and the rest of my family that was
39:39there were proud of me I just in general
39:40knew I was doing good for my dad and
39:43I knew that even though I was nervous I
39:45had to push through it and I just knew
39:46that I had to do it because this is the
39:47last chance I had
39:49to uh speak to him and just get the
39:51message across
39:53and that's basically all I wanted
39:57I missed Scott he was so good to me
40:02I'm thrilled that I have a child
40:05that bears his resemblance and that has
40:08picked up some of his characteristics
40:10and it actually it's it's good for me it
40:13makes me happy it makes me feel like
40:16sadly as it is it's all played out in in
40:20a positive way
40:22since his incarceration Todd kohlheppers
40:26hinted there may have been other victims
40:28in the 12-year gap between the superbike
40:31killings and the Woodruff murders I
40:35definitely feel like this story is just
40:36beginning I feel like it's a story that
40:40um that the nation is going to be
40:41interested in moving forward if we learn
40:44about other killings you know these are
40:45other families out there that are
40:47looking for answers and they could have
40:49answers if collab is willing to come
40:51forward and provide more detail that can
40:53lead to a discovery of a body or who
40:55knows what else
40:56Daniel gross has been writing to the
41:00killer to try and uncover coal hep's
41:02secrets
41:03it's a bizarre feeling every time
41:06every time I see a signature on those
41:08letters or just his little banter of you
41:11know hope you're doing well or you know
41:12whatever he might say it's a weird
41:15feeling because it's this gray area of
41:19um you know you're a serial killer and
41:21we're not friends by any means you know
41:23let's try to find some more detail here
41:24and bring some other families some
41:26closure
41:27cohep's ability to blend into his
41:30surroundings made him an exceptionally
41:33dangerous killer
41:35even the sheriff Chuck Wright mentioned
41:37after his arrest that he believes he
41:40might have even met kolhap at some point
41:42without even knowing that you know he's
41:44shaking a Serial Killer's hand and so
41:46that just shows that you know Todd
41:47collip was out there he was he was in
41:49the public he had built this successful
41:51brand
41:52I think for me what makes this case so
41:54exceptional are the different victim
41:56types that he targets he kills anybody
41:59who is a threat to his sense of self and
42:04I think it is that complete disregard
42:05for other people and anybody who gets in
42:08his way is going to suffer
42:11Cole hap was a selfish killer who
42:14murdered seven people for no reason four
42:17of them in a petulant rage that left an
42:20unborn child fatherless
42:23it is not only the lives he took but the
42:26lives he left behind a grieving wife a
42:30distraught father an emotionally scarred
42:33young woman that make Todd colehem one
42:36of the world's most evil killers

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