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0:00you're going into the volume now.
0:01>> Yes, we're coming to a great location
0:04and
0:04>> you have to imagine, when you arrive,
0:06it's 5 a.m. or something, right? Early.
0:08>> 5 a.m.
0:10>> Feels like 1,000 people doing some
0:13workouts in some groups.
0:16>> Yes.
0:16>> Yes. with loud music, so like
0:19>> so set up speakers with uh Hello hello
0:47dear lovely people, back to our podcast
0:49.
0:49>> Good morning.
0:50>> Yes, it's about episode zero. That was
0:53yesterday.
0:54>> Yes, it's starting, folks. It's
0:55starting.
0:56>> Yes. Yes, please.
0:58>> How are you?
0:59>> I'm doing well. It's really cool that
1:01it's finally starting. M
1:03>> We just had the premiere over the
1:05weekend, too.
1:05>> Last week? Yes.
1:06>> Over the weekend. Last week.
1:10>> Over the weekend. On Saturday. Yes.
1:13>> Yes.
1:13>> Crazy, right?
1:14>> That was really really crazy. Yes,
1:17fantastic uh feeling to see the whole
1:19community live, to talk to them, to
1:21take photos, which is
1:23>> exactly.
1:24>> to also show what we've there
1:27>> Yes, you also have to say, the nice
1:28thing is, you work for something, you
1:30burn for something, you have enthusiasm
1:32for it and and
1:35>> and then you show it.
1:36>> man, because you lose touch a bit, you
1:38have to say, it's a bit like working
1:40from home.
1:40>> Mhm. So, when you're out of the house,
1:43so
1:43>> yes,
1:43>> you lose touch a bit here in the office
1:48, in the studio. Um, then
1:52>> we call our editing rooms a studio.
1:55>> Exactly. You lose touch a bit then,
1:58then you upload it and then it's all
1:59just numbers, and at the premiere you
2:01finally have the opportunity to get to
2:03know the people behind those numbers.
2:05That's what I wanted to say, right?
2:06>> Yes. And when it's running, also these
2:08reactions and what that triggers.
2:11>> Yes, especially watching it with them
2:12in the cinema. Incredible, when you
2:14hear them laughing, when you
2:16>> when you uh ah
2:19>> and and root for it or
2:21>> of course that happened more often with
2:23episode 1 than with episode 0, right?
2:25>> But we won't say anything about that
2:26yet.
2:27>> You can relax.
2:28>> Yes, I mean the people who were at the
2:30premiere have a disadvantage now, right
2:32? the whole time
2:35>> waiting. Um because they have already
2:38seen it, until it continues with
2:40episode 2.
2:40>> Exactly. Yes, exactly. Yes,
2:42>> that is the disadvantage for the people
2:44.
2:44>> That is the disadvantage. But they have
2:45already seen everything
2:46>> exactly
2:46>> that the others haven't seen yet, right
2:48?
2:48>> Yes,
2:48>> but
2:49>> And I think we also had a pretty cool
2:52time. Being able to chat with a lot of
2:54people, talk to them.
2:55>> Absolutely. What I also found really
2:57cool is this Q&A we did at the end or
2:59>> after the premiere we went back on
3:02stage and
3:04>> right after the episodes we, yeah,
3:06>> answered questions. That was really
3:08casual. Yeah,
3:08>> I think so too. I mean, that was a
3:11suggestion from the Season 3 premiere.
3:14Totally, um,
3:16>> that we should do that, and we said,
3:17okay, what if no one asks anything, but
3:21lots of questions. Mhm.
3:22>> Lots of questions.
3:23>> The sponsors were also there. It's so
3:25cool, right, that they came because
3:26they were happy to be there. Um,
3:28>> I mean, I won't list them all now, but
3:30it just shows that they really support
3:32us.
3:33>> Exactly.
3:33>> And, uh, that they just think this
3:36product is awesome.
3:38>> Yes. Not just saying, okay, we're doing
3:40a sponsorship, but driving there on a
3:42weekend in our free time. Well, maybe
3:44they charge for it, but they drove
3:47there and, yeah,
3:50>> some brought their family, um, and
3:52friends along.
3:54>> Yeah, a really, really, really cool
3:56event, and I'm still actually
3:58overwhelmed now.
3:59>> It's really crazy. I already felt it in
4:02my, uh, from all the talking, in my,
4:05how do you say, in my throat. I don't
4:10think I've ever talked that much. In
4:12one go, right? And you notice the
4:16grinning thing too, the muscles for
4:18grinning when you smile and so on. Yes.
4:21>> Nah, it was really cool. Really casual.
4:23It was
4:24>> really casual. It's also so nice to see
4:26the players again
4:27>> or the hunters, um,
4:30>> with them too, but we didn't get much
4:32of a chance to chat because everyone,
4:34we talked more with the people,
4:37>> the guests, the, uh,
4:39>> our fans or, well, the community,
4:41>> yeah,
4:41>> talked more than we got to talk to each
4:44other. I would have liked to talk to
4:46Carsten more, or to Alin, or to Willi,
4:49or to Julius, or to Nicki. Um, do I
4:52have to name everyone?
4:53>> Now you have to, now you have to list
4:5416 names, right?
4:55>> Forget it.
4:56>> That's the cool thing, we all get along
4:58so, so well. We, uh, we, afterwards, at
5:01least the smaller group, because some
5:03were there with their families and left
5:05immediately after the premiere. But a
5:08few others went on to a bar with us. Um
5:11, did a little karaoke and stuff. So we
5:14all get along so well, it's really
5:15incredible.
5:16>> I unfortunately didn't make it, because
5:18, well, I was there with the family
5:20>> with my, uh
5:22>> Too bad, man. Too bad.
5:24>> Everyone was asking, where's Peter?
5:26>> Yes, I know. So, next year I definitely
5:28want to come along.
5:29>> I sang, naturally.
5:30>> I saw it.
5:31>> Really?
5:32>> Yes, for sure. There are videos of it,
5:34right?
5:34>> Yeah. Yes. Okay,
5:36>> but that's Tikt. Tiktok, Tiktac, or
5:39whatever it's called?
5:42>> What's the song called? Uh, I hate you.
5:46>> Yes. Yes, but how
5:48>> No, no, the song is called "I hate"
5:51>> from TikTok?
5:53>> No, from Ina Chuba.
5:54>> Yes, exactly. By Ina Chuba. And why do
5:56you hate me?
5:58>> Um, the so
5:59>> many reasons.
6:01>> Oh god. Yes. Um
6:04>> yeah, so I would have loved to be there
6:06, but with two ten-year-olds, um, it's
6:08hard, or rather, they were already
6:10completely exhausted.
6:11>> But if two ten-year-olds look after
6:12themselves, aren't they 20 there? No,
6:14right? It doesn't work like that.
6:15>> It doesn't work that way. Yeah, that's,
6:18they're two ten-year-olds; if they look
6:20after each other, at most they're each
6:23eight. Yeah, okay.
6:25>> It's exponentially downward. It's like,
6:27put two 18-year-olds together, see how
6:30the level drops.
6:31>> Of course.
6:32>> I think that's true.
6:33>> Yes,
6:33>> it it is it is true. Yes, absolutely.
6:37>> Um yeah, so too bad, but anyway, we
6:39celebrated it and I thought it was cool
6:41. My my my little Dano Noa, he went
6:44around everywhere and had things
6:47written on his phone case, right?
6:49>> On the phone case. He doesn't put his
6:51phone down like that anymore, you know,
6:53screen side down,
6:54>> yeah,
6:55>> like every normal p
6:57>> face down,
6:59>> because he doesn't want it to get
7:00scratched up.
7:01>> How awesome.
7:01>> And he even came up to me for an
7:03autograph, it's so cool.
7:07>> Signed as Papa or as Peter? As Peter.
7:14How uncool to sign as Papa.
7:16>> Awesome.
7:17>> Yeah, pretty casual. So yeah. it's nice
7:21to see that everyone had so much fun
7:24and had such a cool day. Actually, it
7:26has nothing to do with episode zero,
7:28really.
7:28>> No, but we can address those now too.
7:30Um, I've already read two questions and
7:34, um, I'd like to read them out so that
7:37we can answer them. They aren't
7:39difficult questions, but
7:40>> okay, so not any
7:43>> No, no, no, not at all. One is, for
7:45example, the "hunting is mandatory"
7:47rule. How did that actually come about?
7:49Was there a concern, and why wasn't it
7:51removed when Willi joined the hunter
7:53team? We have the rule that for
7:57speedhunts, hunting is mandatory, or
7:59rather, generally throughout the whole
8:01day, yes, 24/7 hunting must take place.
8:04Um
8:05>> and speedhunts must not
8:07>> be used just to harass people
8:09pointlessly.
8:10>> Exactly. Exactly. Simply Yes, we have
8:14...why do we have it in there? Yes,
8:16quite simply so that the speedhunt
8:18isn't just used to chase people around
8:21the area without actually hunting, and
8:23also to have a kind of time restriction
8:26on the speedhunt—coming back to that
8:28topic—so if the players are moving,
8:30the hunters must be out hunting.
8:34>> And that automatically limits it,
8:37doesn't it?
8:38>> And the second question, or rather,
8:40it's actually a request that we
8:42probably can't easily fulfill, is that
8:43I'd be interested in a detailed
8:45behind-the-scenes look at the time of
8:47year when things are quiet for Manhunt.
8:49What do the employees who don't exist
8:51actually do? How are participants and
8:54locations scouted? How much space does
8:55the search for sponsors and partners
8:57take up? What legal aspects need to be
8:58considered and regulated? What do the
9:00software, workflows, and all that stuff
9:01look like? That fits well with, that
9:03actually fits well with episode zero,
9:05and we can go into that a bit, so
9:07>> yes,
9:08>> so what we do, so,
9:10>> because in episode zero we showed
9:12everything from being on-site to the
9:13start, what happened there, but the
9:15whole thing had to be organized and
9:16planned out too.
9:18>> Yes, that's a good question. So, if
9:20anyone is interested, um, we have uh
9:26yes, we have no employees. Mm. Not yet,
9:29because we can't afford to have
9:32permanent staff. Um, we are all
9:35self-employed.
9:35>> Mhm.
9:36>> And um, actually work, so before
9:39Manhunt is after Manhunt, meanwhile.
9:42Karol is full-time, Ka...actually only
9:49working for Manhunt steadily now.
9:52>> Mhm.
9:53>> Does he? Yeah, that's not quite right.
9:55You have other projects, too. Um, for
9:58example, you were in Australia last
10:00year, weren't you, but you did
10:01something else too, right? Mhm. Um
10:05>> so you do other projects on the side,
10:08but for the most part it's Manhunt,
10:11where you can clear your schedule. Um,
10:17Alex is a co-owner of the company with
10:21me, and in principle, we do the
10:24planning, but we also do that together
10:29with you, with Karol. Because we edit
10:31during the season, while the season is
10:33running, it's still being edited. So,
10:35the situation is, uh, we're currently
10:38—it's safe to say—just working on
10:40episode 3. So it's being finalized this
10:44week, it'll be done this week, and it's
10:46happening fast. Today, after recording
10:48the podcast, I'm heading into the
10:50behind-the-scenes,
10:51>> yeah,
10:53>> which will be out next Friday, and
10:56working with the editor on that part.
11:02Yes, once the whole project is finished
11:04, and even now, parallel conversations
11:07are already underway with sponsors for
11:09the next season; we have our Kevin for
11:11that, who really takes a lot of work
11:13off our hands and initiates the talks
11:16for us and then holds the meetings with
11:18us. Yes, we are trying, of course, to
11:22keep the sponsors we have on board now
11:24and bring them along, so we can have
11:26long-term partnerships because we are
11:29very satisfied with our sponsors and
11:31all the collaborations that have come
11:33about. So that's where it starts.
11:36>> Exactly, that's where it starts, and
11:37here's another important point. We'll
11:39see now what the reaction is, and I
11:41hope it's satisfactory, that we
11:44>> aren't doing an ad block, like a 60-
11:46second spot where we introduce our
11:49episode sponsor, during the episode
11:51like we did in New York, but rather
11:53right after the intro. That naturally
11:56results in what might be 4 minutes of
11:58us chatting at the beginning. Mhm.
12:01>> But in return, I have the rest of the
12:03episode simply uncut, right? Uncut, and
12:06you can enjoy it; that was the idea,
12:08and we hope, of course, that it's
12:09well-received by the people and that
12:11you don't get the feeling of "Good
12:12heavens, so much advertising."
12:14>> And that you thank us by supporting our
12:17sponsors if you like them, by using our
12:20code or
12:21>> that is also an important point, when
12:22you ask how you can help, how you can
12:23do something. Yes, please, with our
12:26sponsors, if something appeals to you,
12:28right, use the discount code and
12:30>> order something there. That
12:31>> exactly. Yes, it helps us immensely, it
12:33really helps
12:33>> us with the negotiations for the new
12:35season. But we've already said that
12:37quite often,
12:37>> but those are the points that are
12:39currently in progress. In principle, we
12:41really have a watchful eye on the
12:43sponsors. How is this season going for
12:45them?
12:46>> There are some crazy analysis models
12:50that are ranked. How many views come to
12:53their sites? How often is the discount
12:56code used? Uh, what is actual
12:59conversion, meaning business, or rather
13:02, where are orders being placed, and
13:04that's what a partnership is judged by.
13:07Exactly.
13:09>> And that is basically the deciding
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15:21>> Exactly. All the info is down in the
15:23video description, in case we spoke too
15:25fast or too slow.
15:26>> Exactly. Let's move on to the topic. We
15:35already have a list of participants
15:36we'd like to have, who we're inquiring
15:38with,
15:40>> which cities, and that will be
15:44discussed later on. We'll probably sit
15:48down for four days in January just to
15:50talk about what we'll do differently.
15:52>> Mhm. And I think, though,
15:55>> basically letting the learnings from
15:58this season flow in as a recap.
15:59>> But I think I can say one thing now: we
16:02are very happy with the rulebook.
16:04>> Yes, I don't think we have to tweak
16:06much there, right? It's really more of
16:08a mini-adaptation again.
16:09>> No, exactly. It was good.
16:11>> Exactly. Let's take a small detour into
16:13the rulebook. So I heard that it's now
16:15complicated or harder for the players.
16:17I don't see that at all. How how that
16:19could have come across.
16:21>> It's simpler. In principle, it has
16:23become simpler. Yes.
16:24>> Um
16:25>> many rules were either dropped or
16:27simplified.
16:28>> Exactly. Like, for example, public
16:29transportation. There's now just no—
16:32why did we decide to do that? I had a
16:34conversation with someone at the
16:36premiere.
16:37>> Um, I didn't have that on my radar at
16:38all. He's a huge fan of public
16:40transport.
16:42>> Mhm.
16:42>> So there are people who just really
16:44want trains, right? Yes. And he finds
16:47it a shame now that people don't play
16:48in trains anymore.
16:49>> Mhm. But I thought, ah okay, I didn't
16:51have that perspective on my radar. Mm.
16:53>> I find it interesting, but honestly, in
16:56Saigon, there isn't much public
16:59transport. Yes, so one could give a
17:02boost. The primary means of transport
17:05there is
17:06>> the scooter or just the motorcycle.
17:08>> Exactly. Yes, there are some cars, but
17:11>> few subways, trains. There's like one
17:15or two things, but nobody takes them.
17:17>> Yes, but they're no comparison to New
17:19York. Or Vienna or, yes, a city in
17:22Germany, Frankfurt or...
17:25>> M, yes, but to come back to the
17:27simplification of the...
17:29>> Exactly, if we do a season again where
17:32there is more public transport.
17:35>> Mhm.
17:36>> Um, then we will of course allow some
17:41again. So it's not like that. So there
17:43will be rules for that. We'll just have
17:45to sit down and figure out how we'll do
17:47it.
17:47>> Yes.
17:47>> Yes. Yes. And what else is happening
17:50the whole year? So it it seems to you
17:52like nothing is happening for so long,
17:55but it’s actually not nothing at all;
17:58instead, we are busy with
18:00>> well, what takes a very, very
18:01>> locations—for you, it's obviously a
18:03more relaxed time until until the shoot
18:05,
18:05>> but only until a month before, right?
18:07Or up to a month before, because then
18:09the gear needs to be checked, it needs
18:10to be
18:12>> We, for example, from New York switched
18:15on uh from New York to to Seagon with
18:18to DJI, right? I mean, we switched from
18:21GoPros to DJI for several reasons, but
18:23that doesn't matter now. Um, no, but
18:26what I wanted to say is: What takes up
18:28a very, very, very large amount of time
18:30are our three-person or (with Bern,
18:32it's actually) four-person sessions—
18:35regarding the rules, what challenges we
18:37could do, where we go through all the
18:39eventualities that could happen, and
18:41then in our yard. For example, testing
18:43challenges, like setting them up,
18:45seeing: "Okay, no, that doesn't work."
18:46The next day, setting it up differently
18:49, testing it again, and so on.
18:52Generally making the rulebook
18:53watertight.
18:55>> Yes, plus I am still working, uh, and
18:59that certainly won't change anytime
19:02soon, on other projects, documentaries
19:05and reports for various TV channels,
19:08and that also takes up a lot of time.
19:13>> Absolutely.
19:14>> So that is my main business that I'm
19:16doing on the side the whole time. Um,
19:19my main business that I do on the side,
19:22um, that is done alongside Manhand. We
19:25all have a normal job as well, and Alex
19:28too, he works at a production company
19:32where he also has a lot to organize and
19:35do. So we don't get bored.
19:37>> Nah.
19:38>> Yeah, and that is also the reason
19:40>> that
19:41>> why I, for example, always arrive quite
19:43late for episode zero, right?
19:44>> Mhm.
19:45>> Because I'm simply involved in other
19:47projects, right? And am shooting
19:50somewhere else or was just on a shoot
19:52for a week, and then I'm just happy to
19:54have a short amount of time with the
19:56family at home
19:58>> and then I just follow later when it's
19:59necessary, right? It would naturally be
20:02better perhaps to come the day before,
20:04right? Then we might have solved things
20:07like the backpacks differently, or it
20:08would have been the same problem, right
20:09? It’s not like the problems wouldn't
20:11exist just because I’m there, right?
20:14But there is simply so much to do that
20:17certain things have priority, or
20:19you’ve marked it as done, and others
20:22can take care of the task more, you
20:25know what I mean?
20:27>> Well, more people is always better than
20:29fewer people, right? I mean, we're
20:30already fully stretched as it is. For
20:32what we do, we're actually a super
20:34small team.
20:35>> Everyone has 100,000 things to do. Yeah
20:37, but I have the feeling that the
20:39bigger it gets, the more complex it
20:41becomes and the harder it is to manage
20:46when you do it yourself, right?
20:48>> Yes, also because so much is always
20:51lost in communication, right?
20:53>> I mean,
20:54>> when I do something myself, nothing
20:55gets lost in my communication. I might
20:57forget things, sure.
20:58>> Yeah. Yeah, but doing it in pairs, you
21:01>> might have understood it differently
21:02than I did. Okay, absolutely. But for
21:05things like we have now, everyone has
21:07an extremely high number of
21:08responsibilities and you just need good
21:10people who can handle a lot of
21:11responsibilities, because everyone just
21:13does everything with us, right?
21:15>> Yeah, exactly.
21:16>> I mean, starting with Fritjof, who does
21:18everything from camera to photos to
21:20playbacks to production planning and
21:22everything, right? Or Julia, you just
21:24need good people, right?
21:26>> Exactly. Exactly.
21:27>> We're really happy that we have that.
21:29>> That's why it's important. We have
21:31extremely good people.
21:33>> Yeah. Yes, we're very grateful for that
21:35.
21:35>> Episode zero, Peter.
21:36>> Yes,
21:37>> we were 40, a little over 40 people,
21:39>> yes,
21:40>> in Saigon. We saw it was um, intense.
21:46>> Intense,
21:48>> yes, because it was already insanely
21:50busy with all the back and forth, but
21:52it was nice to see that it actually
21:54worked super well, so that the thing
21:56can start. And how does the season
21:59continue now, actually? How does it
22:01start?
22:02>> What is it? How does it start?
22:03>> Well, people saw the countdown
22:05yesterday
22:07>> and now everyone is surely wondering,
22:08>> how does it start? Well, I would—
22:10episode one—
22:11>> I would say they're fleeing.
22:13>> That could well be.
22:15>> Okay, but to be more specific, what
22:17might also be interesting is how we
22:18chose the drop-off point and why we
22:20chose it there? Um, we chose it there
22:24because the first drop-off point we
22:27thought of back home, in Vienna, um I
22:32think that was the first one I took
22:34another look at, and then I had to
22:36realize down there: Okay, what we
22:38didn't quite take into account is, well
22:40, when you're on site and you say, okay
22:42, I'm surprised myself why we hadn't
22:44considered it, but I think we did think
22:47about it: How long does it take them to
22:49get there now, right?
22:50>> Mhm. And it was 15 minutes by car, and
22:54that is just way too fast for me. Um, I
22:58said we have to put it somewhere else,
23:00and then we looked at where we could
23:02put it so that there’s something
23:03nearby that’s a bit prominent, right?
23:07>> It's just difficult in a city where the
23:09airport is right in the middle to
23:10choose a great destination where you
23:12can escape in all directions, because
23:13one direction is blocked by the airport
23:15>> is
23:16>> exactly, it's always blocked off, or
23:18rather, it's a restricted area. And um,
23:22yes, southeast of the airport, so where
23:25our original insertion point was—I
23:27think that’s also what most viewers,
23:30uh, most players expected—um, it
23:32didn't happen because of the issue with
23:35arriving too quickly and such, and so
23:37the park
23:39>> just seemed like a good fit. Yes,
23:41>> seemed like a good fit, right? I was
23:42also so happy to see Jenny now at the
23:45premiere,
23:46>> right. We had, I mean, I noticed we
23:49took Jenny along in episode zero and
23:51she was at the premiere, and that is
23:53really positive news, so she didn't
23:54know that, that she was facing the
23:56operation,
23:58>> so I don't know, Jenny, we're probably
24:00saying it completely wrong now, right?
24:02But
24:03>> or how much we can even
24:04>> yeah, I think we can say something, but
24:07I can't say it that precisely anyway.
24:09Yes, so
24:10>> because I'm not that familiar with it
24:13myself, because she is in the matter,
24:15the illness she has, uh, unfortunately,
24:18>> but the doctors actually said you can't
24:21operate on it.
24:22>> Mhm.
24:23>> And it's inoperable. Because no one
24:25dares to operate on it, because the
24:28surgery is simply so life-threatening,
24:30which she, however, necessarily needs
24:32in order to survive at all,
24:34>> in order to be able to keep living.
24:36>> And she has now, I think for a long
24:39time, as she wrote to us, she was
24:41hoping to get the operation, it was
24:43canceled, postponed, they said no, it
24:45won't work. Um, then the circumstances
24:48came up, the circumstances, and I told
24:50her back then, if you have the
24:52operation and if you make it, then you
24:53can fly with us, right? And she said,
24:56well, she wants to fly with us before
24:58the operation because she doesn't even
24:59know if she'll live to see it or if
25:00anyone can even operate on her, you
25:02know?
25:04>> Fix or operate on her, and we took her
25:06with us, um, naturally at her own risk
25:08and also with the doctors 'approval.
25:11>> Mhm. um, she flew with us and was
25:14absolutely no burden to us down there.
25:18A really immense help.
25:19>> Yes, the nice thing was, I also told
25:21the guys, if we take her, Jenny, if we
25:23take you, I don't just want you to—
25:25well, you can do that too, just be
25:27there as a guest. M
25:29>> but I don't want you to feel like
25:31you're just a guest or an outsider, but
25:33rather that we say, you can take on a
25:35task too, if you feel comfortable and
25:36if you're able to do it, right? And I
25:40think it's also very important that you
25:42can be part of something when you also
25:44>> contribute something.
25:45>> Contribute.
25:47>> Her husband then arrived there the same
25:49way, immediately, and, yeah, how can I
25:52help? I can help you with the, uh,
25:54>> with the shopping, in the kitchen,
25:55whatever. So
25:56>> exactly, super.
25:57>> Incredible.
25:57>> Super, super that they were there. You
26:00can also see in the—in episode zero,
26:02that they help us with the, uh, taking
26:03the equipment to the car and so on. Um,
26:07yeah, what I want to say is she finally
26:09has it now, and she said she couldn't
26:11come to the premiere,
26:13>> because she's now having the operation
26:15she's been waiting for for so long and
26:16which is supposed to save her life, but
26:17you don't know if she will survive the
26:19operation. And that is, fortunately,
26:21and really Jenny,
26:23>> um, we are very happy,
26:25>> the operation went well.
26:27>> Beginning of October, I think that was,
26:29>> beginning of October and, um, she was
26:32quickly out of intensive care and
26:34everything seems to be good now. And
26:38she even made it to the premiere, and I
26:41couldn't believe my eyes,
26:43>> that she's just standing there now, and
26:45, yeah, you have to have that will to
26:47survive, and the strong mindset that
26:49she has,
26:51>> you can really, uh,
26:53>> take a leaf out of her book.
26:53>> Take a leaf out of her book. Yes.
26:55>> Yes.
26:56>> All the very best, Jenny, and
26:58>> exactly, and also to all other people
27:00out there who
27:02>> are going through the same thing as
27:03Jenny. That is not a hopeless case. Yes
27:05, so you can do it and take care of
27:07yourselves and, yeah.
27:10>> We really wish you only the best, all
27:12our love, and lots of strength.
27:14>> The only important thing besides men—
27:17or besides men—is of course health.
27:21>> Yes, and
27:22>> take care of yourselves.
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29:01>> also had during the shoot in Vietnam.
29:04Yes, and now back
29:05>> to the episode.
29:11>> So, what can one tell about episode
29:13zero? I mean, the drop-off point, that
29:15doesn't come across at all in episode
29:17zero. I thought I was going to have a
29:19seizure.
29:20>> Oh god. Are you talking about the
29:22volume now?
29:22>> Yes, we get to a great drop-off
29:24location.
29:25>> You have to imagine, it's like when you
29:27arrive at 5:00 AM or something, right?
29:295:00 AM. Dude,
29:31>> what is it like in your city at 5:00 AM
29:33? You barely hear anything at most.
29:34>> Quiet as a mouse. Exactly. The birds
29:37are starting to chirp.
29:39>> Yeah. And the squirrels are throwing
29:41nuts at each other and exactly.
29:42>> And the fox goes to sleep, right?
29:43>> That's right.
29:44>> Yes.
29:45>> So. And what’s it like in Saigon?
29:47>> All hell is breaking loose. And there
29:50are, I’m telling you, in the whole
29:52park—well, you could look at episode
29:541, when they run away, if you look in
29:57the background a bit, you can see
30:01>> what feels like 1,000 people doing
30:04various workouts in different groups.
30:07>> Yes.
30:07>> Yes. With loud music. So like
30:10>> with loudspeakers set up and uh
30:16>> and then they stand there doing their
30:17exercises.
30:17>> Exactly.
30:19>> I think I’d have a fit.
30:22>> RF You call me from there, right, and
30:24try to tell me something over the phone
30:25. I I I only heard. Yes, I it’s also
30:30about the
30:31>> Can you hear that? There you go.
30:36>> It’s also about the rights, right? We
30:38don't have the music rights and then
30:40the whole thing is blocked in the end
30:43>> and now try telling 1,000 people, "Hey,
30:45can you turn off the music for an hour
30:47and a half, we're recording something."
30:50>> Yeah, right? So you can forget about
30:51that. The good thing is we tried to
30:54position ourselves as far away from
30:55them as possible and then they came to
30:57us. Honestly guys, we set ourselves up
30:59and suddenly people behind us start
31:01playing badminton, right? It’s not
31:04that it’s annoying, but the image is
31:05just crazy, right? Just somewhere and
31:08but you wouldn't expect them to play
31:10badminton on the sidewalk. Yes,
31:13>> everything is logical, of course, if
31:15you know the city, they have their only
31:17chance to exercise,
31:20>> where the temperature is halfway
31:21bearable at this time of day,
31:24>> where it was like 32 degrees or so. 31,
31:2632.
31:27>> And that wasn't even the start of the
31:28day yet, right?
31:29>> Exactly. And that's your only chance to
31:31do any kind of sports. After that,
31:33doing sports is harder, unless you do
31:34it in the heat, right? Then you do it,
31:36exactly, then you do it right there,
31:37right?
31:37>> Exactly. Respect.
31:39>> And I can say right now, guys, no one
31:40is dehydrated because they didn't get
31:42anything to drink. So, they start
31:44without drinks.
31:46>> We've seen. We have our Urquelle from
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31:55with an activated carbon filter—and
31:57this isn't an ad, it’s just a fact—
31:59um, they can get water anywhere, except
32:01for what's polluted with chemicals, and
32:0399%of bacteria and viruses are filtered
32:05out by the activated carbon filter and
32:07they can go to any restroom, public
32:09toilet, or wherever.
32:11>> Exactly, they tap it from a garden hose
32:13or whatever, they fill it up.
32:14>> and and drink and and that worked
32:17perfectly. You can already s you can
32:18spoiler that. Nobody was taken out of
32:21the game because of diarrhea, um. Yeah.
32:24>> Yeah. Nobody drowned either.
32:26>> Like
32:26>> nobody drowned, because they had too
32:28much
32:28>> because they drank too much. No. And
32:30that is also something that we s told
32:32the people in the briefing more than
32:34once, by our Johannes Kuba from
32:36Critical Knowledge, from his company,
32:38um. How can you protect yourself
32:40against dehydration? How can you, um,
32:42make sure that you have enough water
32:44and that you, um, so how much water do
32:46you need in these temperatures? So our
32:49players were really well prepared for
32:51that.
32:53>> Exactly.
32:53>> So you don't need to worry about them.
32:55>> Mhm.
32:56>> We had, I think, by far the best
32:59apartment or the best accommodation you
33:02could possibly have. It was a huge,
33:06okay, complex would be an exaggeration,
33:08but it was just four houses built next
33:10to each other, uh, where the gates can
33:12be opened, which then join into one
33:14house. We had it as crew accommodation
33:18and were able to seal it off so coolly
33:20from everyone, right? So we set up the
33:23game control and the charging station,
33:26so where our equipment gets charged, um
33:28, way at the end, so there isn't so
33:30much commotion and where we had our
33:32peace, where our rooms were. Right next
33:36to it, so in the third of the four
33:38buildings, was the crew and the people,
33:40which house was that? Was that where
33:43the cooking was done too? No, in the
33:45second house, the cooking was done. Uh,
33:47that's where the runners were, and then
33:50in the first house, the security, Jenny
33:52and um and our medics or the people who
33:55also wanted to withdraw where it's a
33:57bit quieter, were housed. And yes, the
34:01most activity was between between two
34:03and three, where the pools were, where
34:05people sat outside, where they could
34:07then, uh, go into the kitchen at any
34:10time.
34:11>> the pools,
34:12>> there were two pools.
34:13>> Yeah, but if if it didn't stand out to
34:15you, there was one person who was
34:17always in the pool.
34:18>> Yeah, I noticed that.
34:20>> So I have, or at least it seemed to me
34:22>> yeah,
34:23>> so
34:23>> lived there, registered a secondary
34:24residence there, I think even. one
34:26person, he was actually almost always
34:28in the pool, or, uh, security. So, if
34:30he wasn't currently Yeah. Yeah. If he
34:31wasn't on duty,
34:32>> on duty, he was only in the pool. I
34:34think he didn't sleep at all.
34:35>> Yeah.
34:35>> Yeah. So when I got out of the game, I
34:38knew, okay, who we are, Andi.
34:42>> But really cool.
34:44>> Yeah. So cool. That was really added
34:47value.
34:47>> Yeah.
34:48>> These pools, like when we could finally
34:50jump in.
34:51>> Exactly. Yeah.
34:51>> Yeah. Clear the head a bit, or cool
34:55down. That was desperately needed.
34:57>> Yeah, it was really necessary. Yeah,
34:59>> that was desperately needed.
35:00>> Yeah, what what what does BTS want to
35:03say? I mean, this BTS is an insane
35:05experiment of ours. M
35:06>> I don't think there's been anything
35:08like this in any other format before.
35:09>> Yeah,
35:11>> because we are really taking you by the
35:14hand and showing you,
35:16>> showing you these insights,
35:18>> what all goes wrong with us,
35:20>> and well, yes,
35:21>> I want to say upfront, if any
35:23shitstorms or things like that come up,
35:26then we won't do it anymore, right? I
35:29mean, I'm not showing my living room or
35:32giving my most private insights just to
35:36then later, um, somehow
35:38>> get comments that I have to justify
35:40myself for. Yeah, so this is an
35:42incredibly intimate look at the
35:44production in the background, because
35:46we simply think we have nothing to hide
35:48or, um, and we would like to share it
35:50with you so you can see how confusing
35:53and chaotic things are for us, and it
35:55is also due to the circumstances, and
35:57everyone out there can surely do it
35:59better, right?
36:00>> Yeah. Yes, of course. Um, and has a
36:03thousand ideas. H uh
36:06>> But when you do a format without time,
36:09I mean, to put it bluntly, without a
36:11schedule, without where you simply know
36:13what's happening, right, where everyone
36:15is truly prepared for everything
36:17clearly, for every scene like in a
36:19movie or whatever, right, then you
36:21constantly have to react to something,
36:24right? Because, first of all, anything
36:27can really happen, from the simplest
36:29things. I'm just saying anything now,
36:31and this is without being too
36:33deliberate, but from the simplest
36:35things like, oh my god, I dropped my
36:37phone, it's broken now.
36:38>> Yeah,
36:39>> up to, um, hey, I can't find my leg
36:42anymore, it's gone now, I didn't find
36:45my leg. Yeah, phone phone is more
36:49likely.
36:51>> Sure, but you know what you want to say
36:53in principle, and that is what you have
36:54to ask yourself. We are doing a format
36:58here, not just that there are 40 people
37:01involved, but suddenly, starting at 6
37:03o'clock, 16
37:07>> people are playing. Now I've said 16
37:10people. a game that is highly dynamic.
37:13>> Mhm.
37:15>> Where we have no control over what they
37:16really do and 16 people are out there
37:20>> just acting independently, and
37:22everything has to work, and then a
37:24challenge has to be prepared, and
37:25everything has to run perfectly.
37:28>> Exactly. In principle, all at once and
37:30uh
37:30>> if the smallest cog doesn't fit,
37:33>> the whole thing is highly emotional
37:35because everyone's adrenaline or
37:38tension kicks in, and the tone of
37:40interactions becomes,
37:43>> shall I say, more direct and therefore
37:45rougher, and some handle it better,
37:47some worse, so it can happen that
37:49emotions boil over sometimes, right?
37:51Yes,
37:52>> but you have to keep going. You are
37:56>> there’s no other way. Yes.
37:57>> Yes, because just because you feel
37:59offended or something, you can't just
38:01say, okay, I’m leaving, because every
38:02one of us has tons of tasks to do at
38:04the same time, of course. Everyone is
38:07important, irreplaceable, and uh yeah,
38:09the show must go on, right? As stupid
38:11as it sounds.
38:11>> Exactly. And that’s just how it is,
38:13you have to say, do it now. Damn it.
38:15>> Exactly.
38:15>> And not later. Because if you don't do
38:18that, we—that's just the experience
38:20we have by now, right—people just
38:22won't do it, right?
38:23>> Exactly.
38:23>> So it won't happen because they don't
38:25—because they need to be told what
38:27the priority is, and from the tone of
38:29voice you understand, okay, this is
38:31really important now, right? Yes,
38:33because you often don't have the time
38:35to explain, look, you have to do this
38:37now because otherwise so-and-so will
38:39have a problem, because otherwise
38:40so-and-so—the time just isn't there.
38:42Yes,
38:43>> right.
38:44>> And nevertheless, even if something
38:46like that comes out sometimes or
38:49whatever, we are all friends and we are
38:52not feuding or anything. Just as we are
38:55now, for example, in the podcast or in
38:57the stream, that's how we are in
38:59reality, or that is our—that is our
39:01face. Um, so please don't hold it
39:05against us if, in a BTS or something,
39:08we might seem a bit annoyed or, well,
39:10that it seems somehow rougher, but
39:12that's simply a fact. And what is also
39:15the case: You see a bit, I'm currently
39:18editing, BTS, what we do in the game
39:20direction, right? Because we try to
39:23interfere in the game as little as
39:25possible.
39:26>> Mhm.
39:27>> But sometimes you have to intervene
39:29somewhere and think about what the
39:31consequences might be.
39:32>> Yes.
39:33>> Yes. And, um, to what extent is that
39:38then processed? How, how, how can that
39:41come across when the episodes are
39:43finished? Yeah, and those are things
39:44that are very delicate decisions. We've
39:46learned a lot about how to make the
39:49right ones now. Yeah, for example, in
39:52season 1 we said, okay, we'll do the,
39:54um, "silent hand," and the funny thing
39:57is—
39:58>> The manhunt pressure, right?
39:58>> Manhunt pressure at one hour. The funny
40:01thing is that we always tested the
40:03manhunt pressure at one hour, with one
40:05hour.
40:06>> Back then, we always had a "silent hand
40:07" of one hour.
40:08>> Yeah.
40:09>> For us, the idea was that it's hourly.
40:13We, we also do it hourly. We just tried
40:15to ensure that in season 1 we weren't
40:18afraid that someone would be caught
40:20immediately, or that players would come
40:23to us, join the project, and then be
40:26out after 5 hours. Yeah, that was, a
40:28bit, and then out after 3 hours. Yeah.
40:31Um, let's do it for two hours, let's
40:33start with two hours. The next day
40:34we'll do one hour. So, and—
40:36>> and then in the finished show, it
40:38seemed so arbitrary that we just
40:39increased the manhunt pressure to one
40:41hour, even though it was crystal clear
40:43to us, right?
40:44>> Yes. Yes. We actually went from 50%to
40:46the normal 100%, and not from 100 to
40:48200, right?
40:49>> Exactly. Nowadays, we say that the two
40:51hours are fine, right? Mm.
40:52>> That's a good story. We also
40:55experimented with the inner zone, but
40:57you have to add that this one hour—
41:02Different number of participants,
41:03different start, different zone,
41:04different things. So, all that has
41:06flowed into this adapted set of rules
41:08as it is now.
41:09>> So, and—it looks like, okay, the task
41:13wasn't strong enough for season 1,
41:15right? Now they've just increased it to
41:18one hour. Yeah, but that's our decision
41:20as game management, but it wasn't
41:21actually just because of that. The
41:23reason was actually that we said, okay,
41:25it's fine now, everyone's settled in,
41:27now we're moving to the normal speed,
41:29to the one hour.
41:30>> So, and what we want to convey is that
41:33every small change—even though that
41:35one is likely a big one—can have
41:37enormous consequences, right? And then
41:39it's always a matter of how you
41:41communicate it, how you do it, and you
41:42can see that in the BTS. Um, yeah, I'm
41:45really curious to see how that's
41:48received.
41:49>> Mhm. Yeah, my dear Peter, right?
41:52>> Yeah.
41:53>> Next Monday,
41:55>> yeah,
41:55>> our next podcast episode comes out.
41:58>> No, it comes out on Tuesday, my dear,
41:59because Monday is a holiday for us.
42:01>> Tuesday. I'm just so used to how it's
42:03actually going to be in production.
42:05>> It's usually always Monday, but this
42:07time it
42:07>> always Monday. Exactly, the 26th of
42:10October is our National Holiday here in
42:11Austria, and so we decided to take the
42:13day off and do the podcast on Tuesday
42:15instead. We might be three people in
42:18the podcast episode.
42:19>> Exactly.
42:19>> Hopefully. Fingers crossed and see you
42:22or hear you, and we would be incredibly
42:25happy if you tune in again when it's
42:27time for
42:28>> yes,
42:29>> a new episode of the Meinhand podcast
42:30is here. Exactly. I hope you liked it
42:34this time, and yeah, you got an insight
42:36that you didn't have in episode zero,
42:39and yeah,
42:41>> tell your friends.
42:42>> Exactly,
42:43>> you can learn more here beyond the work
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