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  1. 0:00( ♪♪ )
  2. 0:01>> Gillian: Their story has been
  3. 0:02the stuff of headlines.
  4. 0:04>> Members of the Lev Tahor
  5. 0:05sect fled to Ontario.
  6. 0:07>> Gillian: An endless curiosity
  7. 0:09in a modern age of people
  8. 0:11seemingly desperate to embrace
  9. 0:13the past.
  10. 0:14>> We want to go backwards,
  11. 0:16exactly like original Judaism.
  12. 0:19>> Gillian: A run from Quebec
  13. 0:20in the middle of the night kept
  14. 0:22them ahead of authorities there.
  15. 0:23Now the investigation is
  16. 0:25criminal.
  17. 0:26>> I'm a police officer.
  18. 0:27>> I am still saying shame on
  19. 0:28you for involving the children
  20. 0:29in a political --
  21. 0:30>> Mr. Goldman, take care
  22. 0:31of this person, please.
  23. 0:32>> The allegation?
  24. 0:33Child abuse.
  25. 0:34>> It's not discipline.
  26. 0:35It's physical abuse.
  27. 0:37>> Gillian: tonight on "The
  28. 0:38Fifth Estate," the story of
  29. 0:39Lev Tahor, pure heart, and the
  30. 0:42rabbi who got into Canada as
  31. 0:44a refugee.
  32. 0:45>> Gillian: Did you lie to get
  33. 0:47into this country?
  34. 0:48>> I didn't lie to refugee
  35. 0:48board,
  36. 0:49>> Look, it's bullshit.
  37. 0:56(traffic sounds)
  38. 1:00(crows cawing)
  39. 1:02>> Gillian: It was the isolation
  40. 1:04of the place that appealed to
  41. 1:05them.
  42. 1:06(singing in Hebrew)
  43. 1:11>> Gillian: For months, the
  44. 1:12families of Lev Tahor had been
  45. 1:13under the scrutiny of Quebec's
  46. 1:15youth protection authorities.
  47. 1:20In rural southern Ontario in
  48. 1:22the town of Chatham, they had
  49. 1:23hoped they found a more
  50. 1:25accepting place.
  51. 1:26(singing in Hebrew)
  52. 1:30>> Gillian: To practise their
  53. 1:31Judaism in their own way.
  54. 1:37To raise their families
  55. 1:38according to their
  56. 1:39interpretation of ancient laws.
  57. 1:43>> We want to go backwards,
  58. 1:45exactly like original Judaism
  59. 1:47is, we think that they was
  60. 1:50much, much more clever than us.
  61. 1:54Even the lifestyle was better.
  62. 1:56People were more happy.
  63. 2:01>> Gillian: The 35 families
  64. 2:02were still settling in.
  65. 2:04When it became clear that even
  66. 2:06having run all this way, they
  67. 2:08hadn't escaped the authorities
  68. 2:09after all.
  69. 2:12(speaking in Hebrew)
  70. 2:18>> Gillian: With our cameras
  71. 2:19rolling, Lev Tahor spokesman
  72. 2:21Uriel Goldman discovers the
  73. 2:22police are back in his
  74. 2:23community,
  75. 2:25This time with a search warrant.
  76. 2:32>> Gillian: Goldman is rattled
  77. 2:33and for a moment forgets the
  78. 2:34cameras as he whispers
  79. 2:35urgent orders.
  80. 2:48>> Gillian: The late January
  81. 2:49day is bitterly cold.
  82. 2:51For the community, it's just
  83. 2:52further evidence the
  84. 2:53authorities are out to get them.
  85. 2:57>> Sweet revenge from Quebec.
  86. 2:58The punishment.
  87. 2:59We left Quebec, we not
  88. 3:00received the punishment.
  89. 3:02So this is the punishment.
  90. 3:04>> Shame on you.
  91. 3:05Shame on you.
  92. 3:06>> Sir, I'm doing my job now.
  93. 3:08I'm a police officer.
  94. 3:09>> I'm still saying shame on you
  95. 3:11for involving children.
  96. 3:12>> Mr. Goldman, take your men
  97. 3:13please.
  98. 3:16>> Gillian: It will later be
  99. 3:17revealed the police are
  100. 3:18investigating allegations
  101. 3:19of abuse.
  102. 3:21Beatings, confinements,
  103. 3:23marriages between underage
  104. 3:25girls and older men.
  105. 3:29But on this afternoon, no
  106. 3:30one's telling the community or
  107. 3:31their lawyer that.
  108. 3:33>> What specifically are you
  109. 3:34looking for?
  110. 3:36>> Computers and hardware.
  111. 3:38>> Okay.
  112. 3:39And why?
  113. 3:41>> We're doing an investigation.
  114. 3:44>> Gillian: A Quebec court has
  115. 3:45already ruled 14 of the
  116. 3:46children should be removed
  117. 3:48from the families.
  118. 3:50Lev Tahor is fighting it.
  119. 3:52>> I don't know what's going on.
  120. 3:53I know something very
  121. 3:54abnormal happening.
  122. 3:57It's terrorizing our community.
  123. 4:00(♪♪)
  124. 4:04>> Gillian: It was just the
  125. 4:05day before the police search
  126. 4:06that the community was putting
  127. 4:07its best face forward.
  128. 4:10>> They start with a prayer
  129. 4:11every day.
  130. 4:12>> Gillian: With "The Fifth
  131. 4:13Estate" in town, they were
  132. 4:14anxious to counter the
  133. 4:15allegations coming out
  134. 4:16of Quebec.
  135. 4:18>> Who can tell me how many
  136. 4:19provinces are there in Canada?
  137. 4:21>> Ten.
  138. 4:23>> Ten, good.
  139. 4:24What is the name of the first
  140. 4:25province here where we
  141. 4:26just lived?
  142. 4:27Quebec.
  143. 4:29>> Gillian: So we were invited
  144. 4:30to a geography lesson, proof
  145. 4:32their children did learn about
  146. 4:33the secular world, they said.
  147. 4:36>> Who remembers what is the
  148. 4:37capital city of Ontario.
  149. 4:40>> Ottawa.
  150. 4:41>> Ottawa, good.
  151. 4:43>> Gillian: Even if some of
  152. 4:43the details were a little off.
  153. 4:48>> There have to be two things
  154. 4:50that make the fish kosher.
  155. 4:52>> Gillian: As for concerns
  156. 4:53their children are neglected
  157. 4:54and malnourished, we were
  158. 4:56treated to a lavish lunch
  159. 4:58while everyone got to play
  160. 4:59with what looked to be very
  161. 5:01new toys.
  162. 5:04In fairness, the community has
  163. 5:06never denied its educational
  164. 5:07priorities are different.
  165. 5:11Boys are raised to be
  166. 5:12scholars, long days of prayer
  167. 5:14and Bible study.
  168. 5:19Girls are allowed only one
  169. 5:20ambition: To become wives
  170. 5:22and mothers.
  171. 5:25>> We also have a sewing class.
  172. 5:29All the girls be with it twice
  173. 5:30a week.
  174. 5:32We have a cooking class.
  175. 5:34We use practical things so
  176. 5:38when the girls reach the age
  177. 5:39of 15, 16, they feel confident.
  178. 5:45>> Gillian: Confident to be
  179. 5:46married, says Malka Rosner,
  180. 5:48teacher and mother of nine, in
  181. 5:50weddings arranged by Lev
  182. 5:51Tahor's leader himself.
  183. 5:54>> We have a commandment in
  184. 5:55the Torah that you marry the
  185. 5:58earliest you can but at the
  186. 6:00same time, we also have a
  187. 6:02commandment to respect the
  188. 6:04laws and regulations of the
  189. 6:06nation where you live.
  190. 6:07>> Gillian: And when those two
  191. 6:08are in conflict which one --
  192. 6:09>> They're actually, yes,
  193. 6:11we first must respect the laws.
  194. 6:13My eldest daughter turned 16
  195. 6:15last year and she married two
  196. 6:17months later after she turned
  197. 6:1816, she got engaged at 15.
  198. 6:21Okay, this we do.
  199. 6:23>> Gillian: More than anything,
  200. 6:24it's the issue of marriages that
  201. 6:25has made the community a
  202. 6:26target.
  203. 6:28And again raised the thorny
  204. 6:29question: When does their
  205. 6:31right to practise their religion
  206. 6:32freely get trumped by society's
  207. 6:35obligation to protect children?
  208. 6:39>> If we do believe that the
  209. 6:42Torah is the truth for us and
  210. 6:44it's the God's words, why
  211. 6:46should we compromise
  212. 6:47about that?
  213. 6:48It doesn't make any sense.
  214. 6:55>> Gillian: Seven time zones
  215. 6:56away, just outside Tel Aviv,
  216. 6:59Oded Twik is the other side of
  217. 7:01the debate.
  218. 7:02Eight of his nieces and
  219. 7:03nephews are in Lev Tahor, some
  220. 7:05in their teens, and he's
  221. 7:07desperate to get them out
  222. 7:09before they, too, are
  223. 7:10married off.
  224. 7:15Oded's sister Sima has been
  225. 7:16with Lev Tahor 18 years,
  226. 7:19joined in New York when she
  227. 7:20was little more than a
  228. 7:21teenager herself.
  229. 7:23>> Voice of Translator: This
  230. 7:24is the first day in the army,
  231. 7:27this is the day that she
  232. 7:28signed up to the army.
  233. 7:32And here you can see her in a
  234. 7:34family celebration, you can see
  235. 7:36that she was completely secular.
  236. 7:41I used to go out dancing
  237. 7:42with her.
  238. 7:43She was a young, beautiful and
  239. 7:44charming young woman.
  240. 7:48She had nice life here.
  241. 7:51Two years after she had gone to
  242. 7:52New York, she sent a photo of
  243. 7:55a long bearded person and told
  244. 7:57us this is her future husband.
  245. 7:59We were quite surprised.
  246. 8:02>> Gillian: Her husband was
  247. 8:03nearly ten years her senior.
  248. 8:06The children followed in
  249. 8:07rapid succession.
  250. 8:08It wasn't the lifestyle Oded
  251. 8:10had hoped for his sister, but
  252. 8:12for years, he believed Sima
  253. 8:13was happy.
  254. 8:15Until 2011 when he travelled
  255. 8:17to Quebec for a visit.
  256. 8:22>> Voice of Translator: I kind
  257. 8:22of felt that something is not
  258. 8:24right about her situation.
  259. 8:26We had some arguments.
  260. 8:28One of her sons died in 2009,
  261. 8:31and she never visited
  262. 8:32the grave.
  263. 8:34She insisted that it is
  264. 8:35against the rabbi's orders.
  265. 8:38>> Gillian: Back in Israel,
  266. 8:39his suspicions turned to worry.
  267. 8:42Oded started researching,
  268. 8:44reading everything he could
  269. 8:45about Lev Tahor, comparing
  270. 8:47notes with other members'
  271. 8:48families.
  272. 8:49Tracking down members who
  273. 8:51had left.
  274. 8:53What he came to understand is
  275. 8:54that the family he'd
  276. 8:55photographed in Quebec wasn't
  277. 8:57so happy after all.
  278. 8:59He says he was told that for
  279. 9:00three years, his sister lost
  280. 9:02her children, they were placed
  281. 9:04with other Lev Tahor families
  282. 9:06who were ordered not to let
  283. 9:07her near.
  284. 9:09Internal banishment, he was
  285. 9:10told, is common punishment in
  286. 9:12the community but not the
  287. 9:13only one.
  288. 9:17>> Voice of Translator: Former
  289. 9:18members told me that people
  290. 9:20are being punished, they were
  291. 9:21fasting, not eating three days
  292. 9:23a week.
  293. 9:24All these punishments like not
  294. 9:25allowing people to sleep
  295. 9:26at night.
  296. 9:27They're like zombies.
  297. 9:29>> Gillian: People use the
  298. 9:31word cult.
  299. 9:32Do you think this is a cult?
  300. 9:33>> Voice of Translator: It is
  301. 9:35a cult, hundred per cent
  302. 9:36a cult.
  303. 9:37Very cruel and most
  304. 9:38destructive cult.
  305. 9:42>> Gillian: When we visited
  306. 9:43Chatham, we asked to meet with
  307. 9:45Oded's sister repeatedly.
  308. 9:47They told us she didn't want
  309. 9:48to meet with us.
  310. 9:51Years before Oded started
  311. 9:53compiling his information in
  312. 9:55Israel, Canadian authorities
  313. 9:56were getting hints of problems
  314. 9:58at Lev Tahor.
  315. 9:59In 2007, Quebec social workers
  316. 10:01flagged a young mother who was
  317. 10:03discovered to be on
  318. 10:04anti-psychotic drugs.
  319. 10:06The same year, they seized
  320. 10:07five children, although all
  321. 10:09were later returned.
  322. 10:11By 2011, there were
  323. 10:12allegations children weren't
  324. 10:13attending school, but it
  325. 10:15wasn't until the following
  326. 10:16year that authorities were
  327. 10:18approached by an insider who
  328. 10:20wanted to show them the
  329. 10:21big picture.
  330. 10:24>> My name is Adam Brudzevski.
  331. 10:27I'm 28.
  332. 10:29Adam Brudzevski spent two years
  333. 10:31in Lev Tahor married the
  334. 10:32daughter of one of the
  335. 10:33community's founding members.
  336. 10:35His testimony in a Quebec
  337. 10:37youth protection hearing would
  338. 10:38help trigger the police
  339. 10:40investigation.
  340. 10:41We're broadcasting it here for
  341. 10:42the first time.
  342. 10:44>> As I stayed in the
  343. 10:46community, I started having
  344. 10:48more and more questions about
  345. 10:51the righteousness of what was
  346. 10:53going on.
  347. 10:54The Rabbi encouraged everybody
  348. 10:58to spy on each other, both
  349. 11:01children and the parents
  350. 11:02and friends.
  351. 11:04>> Gillian: There was spying
  352. 11:05and there was physical abuse,
  353. 11:06he said.
  354. 11:07One of Adam's jobs was to help
  355. 11:09out in the school.
  356. 11:10>> One advice that I got was
  357. 11:12whenever a boy would not do as
  358. 11:13he's supposed to, I should hit
  359. 11:15him with a wire hanger.
  360. 11:18I later discovered that this
  361. 11:20was a regular punishment in
  362. 11:21the community.
  363. 11:23>> Gillian: But his biggest
  364. 11:24revelation was about marriages.
  365. 11:27He confirmed they were
  366. 11:28arranged and sometimes
  367. 11:29involved teenagers under
  368. 11:31the legal age of 16.
  369. 11:33How old was your wife when you
  370. 11:34got married?
  371. 11:36>> She was 15, almost 16.
  372. 11:41>> Gillian: What cemented his
  373. 11:42testimony were the documents
  374. 11:43he brought.
  375. 11:44A computer hard drive that
  376. 11:46included marriage certificates,
  377. 11:48and a list he made of marriages,
  378. 11:49including his own, in which one
  379. 11:51of the partners was underage.
  380. 11:54Some girls had been married to
  381. 11:56much older men.
  382. 11:58What the documents also reveal
  383. 12:00is what happens to those who
  384. 12:01step out of line.
  385. 12:03In 2011, Adam and his wife
  386. 12:05were thinking of leaving
  387. 12:07Lev Tahor.
  388. 12:08Immediately, he was told to
  389. 12:09divorce her and to sign an
  390. 12:11oath accepting he had a
  391. 12:13serious mental illness.
  392. 12:16>> I had to subject myself to
  393. 12:17treatment for what they called
  394. 12:21borderline personality Disorder.
  395. 12:24>> Gillian: BPD as it's called
  396. 12:26was not uncommon in Lev Tahor,
  397. 12:27he said.
  398. 12:28Declared by the rabbi himself
  399. 12:30and subject to his own cures.
  400. 12:32Multivitamins, the Atkins diet.
  401. 12:35In some cases directions to
  402. 12:37take anti-psychotic drugs.
  403. 12:39When Adam and his wife did
  404. 12:41flee, they went to the police.
  405. 12:45>> I have a belief that I'm
  406. 12:47obligated to help these
  407. 12:49children that are in trouble,
  408. 12:50seriously in trouble, and I
  409. 12:52believe that the conditions
  410. 12:53that the people are living
  411. 12:56under in the community are
  412. 12:58damaging to them.
  413. 13:02>> He is mentally ill,
  414. 13:03absolutely.
  415. 13:04>> Gillian: Back in Chatham,
  416. 13:05it's all very personal for
  417. 13:07community spokesperson
  418. 13:08Uriel Goldman.
  419. 13:10Adam Brudzevski is married to
  420. 13:12his daughter.
  421. 13:15>> He is a person have no
  422. 13:16feelings at all.
  423. 13:17>> Gillian: Does it hurt you,
  424. 13:18though, that these allegations
  425. 13:20are coming from within
  426. 13:21your family?
  427. 13:23>> Yes, but if someone know
  428. 13:25the person, he doesn't take it
  429. 13:26so serious because this is the
  430. 13:28kind of person.
  431. 13:30All his life was just fighting
  432. 13:31with others.
  433. 13:34>> Gillian: Whatever the
  434. 13:35community's view, Quebec's
  435. 13:36youth protection authorities
  436. 13:37took the allegations seriously.
  437. 13:40Last August, sweeping in to
  438. 13:41Lev Tahor, looking for
  439. 13:43evidence of abuse.
  440. 13:44But how did such a tiny group
  441. 13:46become such a big target?
  442. 13:49And where was the man who
  443. 13:50leads them?
  444. 13:53When we come back, the man
  445. 13:54they call their rabbi, Shlomo
  446. 13:57Helbrans.
  447. 13:59>> The basis of community is
  448. 14:01very wonderful people,
  449. 14:02peaceful people, people that
  450. 14:03respect society and the human
  451. 14:06material and the law.
  452. 14:08( ♪♪ )
  453. 14:16( ♪♪ )
  454. 14:20>> Gillian: The man who would
  455. 14:21court such controversy in Canada
  456. 14:23grew up in Jerusalem.
  457. 14:26Shlomo Helbrans was a secular
  458. 14:28boy who discovered religion as
  459. 14:30a teenager.
  460. 14:31Became obsessed with the
  461. 14:32teachings of the Jewish
  462. 14:34mystics and at the tender age
  463. 14:36of 22, declared himself a
  464. 14:38rabbi.
  465. 14:40But a rabbi who claimed to
  466. 14:41have unique insights and who,
  467. 14:43in the late '80s, started
  468. 14:45recruiting in ultraorthodox
  469. 14:47neighbourhoods for a new
  470. 14:49religious community, Lev
  471. 14:50Tahor.
  472. 14:52Pure heart.
  473. 14:55What Helbrans preached in the
  474. 14:56early days was not so
  475. 14:57different than other
  476. 14:58ultraorthodox rabbis here,
  477. 15:01piety, modesty, especially for
  478. 15:03women, and even though they
  479. 15:04lived in Israel, strong
  480. 15:06opposition to the Israeli state.
  481. 15:08That's because they believe a
  482. 15:10state for the Jews can only
  483. 15:12legitimately be proclaimed by
  484. 15:13God and can't happen until the
  485. 15:16day their messiah arrives.
  486. 15:18Helbrans never claimed to be
  487. 15:20the messiah but there was
  488. 15:21something about his personality.
  489. 15:23To his followers, he
  490. 15:24was electric.
  491. 15:28>> Voice of Translator: He
  492. 15:29starts talking to you and
  493. 15:31you're attracted to like
  494. 15:31a magnet.
  495. 15:33I forgot where I was.
  496. 15:37>> Gillian: Israel Alter was
  497. 15:38one of Lev Tahor's first
  498. 15:40members and Shlomo Helbrans'
  499. 15:42first assistant.
  500. 15:45>> Voice of Translator: He's
  501. 15:46very persuasive.
  502. 15:47He manages to present himself
  503. 15:48as a great man, a man who can
  504. 15:50read through other people,
  505. 15:51read their thoughts.
  506. 15:53He acts as if he's a very pious
  507. 15:56man, above the rest of humanity.
  508. 15:58In reality, as I later
  509. 15:59realized, he is a
  510. 16:01complete opposite.
  511. 16:05>> Gillian: Alter was
  512. 16:06different than many of Lev
  513. 16:07Tahor's followers.
  514. 16:08He grew up religious.
  515. 16:10Others who were drawn to the
  516. 16:11rabbi's tiny Jerusalem
  517. 16:13apartment tended to be from
  518. 16:15the margins.
  519. 16:16Those who were experimenting
  520. 16:17with religion, those who were
  521. 16:19born again, and those who
  522. 16:21simply wanted someone to make
  523. 16:23the world make sense.
  524. 16:28Professor Menachem Friedman is
  525. 16:29Israel's foremost scholar on
  526. 16:31extreme Jewish groups.
  527. 16:33As a charismatic preacher
  528. 16:34Helbrans did have an appeal,
  529. 16:36he says, but nowhere near what
  530. 16:38he would later boast.
  531. 16:40He claims to have tens of
  532. 16:42thousands of followers around
  533. 16:43the world.
  534. 16:45>> That is pure bullshit.
  535. 16:48He have very, very few
  536. 16:49followers.
  537. 16:50He's not even a spiritual
  538. 16:51leader.
  539. 16:54He's not a great scholar.
  540. 16:57He attract people in the
  541. 16:58margin because of his
  542. 17:00extreme ideas.
  543. 17:04>> Gillian: Helbrans would
  544. 17:05later claim it was those
  545. 17:06extreme ideas about Israel
  546. 17:08that led him to be persecuted
  547. 17:11but no one here remembers it
  548. 17:12that way.
  549. 17:13One morning in 1990, people
  550. 17:15just woke up to discover the
  551. 17:16rabbi and his little band of
  552. 17:18followers gone.
  553. 17:22(♪♪)
  554. 17:27>> Gillian: Whatever his reasons
  555. 17:28for leaving Israel, this is
  556. 17:30where Shlomo Helbrans ended up.
  557. 17:35Borough Park, Brooklyn.
  558. 17:38Home to some of the most
  559. 17:40influential ultraorthodox
  560. 17:41communities in the world.
  561. 17:44It's the kind of place that
  562. 17:45would shelter an upstart rabbi
  563. 17:47from Israel, and it did.
  564. 17:49Helbrans found financial
  565. 17:51support and opened his own
  566. 17:52yeshiva, or religious school.
  567. 17:55But this is also a place that
  568. 17:57can turn against someone who
  569. 17:58brings trouble to the community.
  570. 18:01And that would happen, too.
  571. 18:05It all started with a young
  572. 18:06boy named Shai Fhima, born in
  573. 18:09Israel, he immigrated to New
  574. 18:10York with his mother after his
  575. 18:12parents' divorce.
  576. 18:14At 13, Shai was fond of
  577. 18:15baseball and baking, about as
  578. 18:17secular as they come.
  579. 18:20But as his bar mitzvah
  580. 18:21approached, his mother started
  581. 18:22looking for a rabbi to
  582. 18:24prepare him.
  583. 18:25The rabbi she found was
  584. 18:26Shlomo Helbrans.
  585. 18:30>> The Rabbi liked him
  586. 18:31very much.
  587. 18:32I told you he was a very smart
  588. 18:33boy.
  589. 18:35>> Gillian: Back in Israel,
  590. 18:36Shai's father, Michael Reuven,
  591. 18:38was a bit surprised but pleased.
  592. 18:41>> What the rabbi told me that
  593. 18:42he see a big light around him,
  594. 18:44and he's going to be one of
  595. 18:46the biggest rabbis.
  596. 18:48>> Gillian: Do you think that
  597. 18:49would have had an impact on a
  598. 18:5113-year-old boy?
  599. 18:53>> Sure.
  600. 18:56>> Gillian: It did.
  601. 18:57Shai was soon spending more
  602. 18:59and more time at the yeshiva
  603. 19:00until one day he didn't
  604. 19:02come home.
  605. 19:03When police were called,
  606. 19:04Helbrans insisted Shai was a
  607. 19:06run-away from a broken home.
  608. 19:10>> You're dealing with
  609. 19:11a kidnapping.
  610. 19:13>> Gillian: New York cop Bill
  611. 19:14Plackenmeyer would spend the
  612. 19:15next two years trying to find
  613. 19:17Shai Fhima.
  614. 19:18To him, Helbrans' role in the
  615. 19:20boy's disappearance was clear
  616. 19:22from the beginning.
  617. 19:24>> I was commander of
  618. 19:25detectives, a little deductive
  619. 19:28reasoning goes a long way,
  620. 19:31and, I mean, it was so obvious.
  621. 19:33They're exhorting him run,
  622. 19:35run, run.
  623. 19:37>> Gillian: But his deductive
  624. 19:39reasoning didn't prepare him
  625. 19:40for what happened next.
  626. 19:41Hours and his men arrested
  627. 19:43Shlomo Helbrans,
  628. 19:45Plackenmeyer got a visit from
  629. 19:46the district attorney's office.
  630. 19:49The D.A. wanted the rabbi
  631. 19:50released.
  632. 19:52>> I asked them, are you
  633. 19:55saying I don't have probable
  634. 19:56cause for an arrest?
  635. 19:58And they assured me no, no,
  636. 20:01that's not what we're saying
  637. 20:02at all, you have probable
  638. 20:04cause for an arrest, it's just
  639. 20:09that the district attorney
  640. 20:12would prefer that you void the
  641. 20:15arrest and let him go.
  642. 20:18>> Gillian: The politics were
  643. 20:19simple.
  644. 20:20The D.A. was up for re-election,
  645. 20:22and Brooklyn's ultraorthodox
  646. 20:23community represented a lot of
  647. 20:25votes.
  648. 20:27>> Did you kidnap that boy
  649. 20:28like his mother says?
  650. 20:29>> Of course not.
  651. 20:30>> Gillian: The rabbi
  652. 20:31was released.
  653. 20:35The rabbi was free but a
  654. 20:3613-year-old boy was
  655. 20:37still missing.
  656. 20:39Shai's family, both in New
  657. 20:40York and Israel, were frantic.
  658. 20:42The New York cops were angry.
  659. 20:44And so they turned to the
  660. 20:45F.B.I. who came up with a plan.
  661. 20:49>> This is the poster of Shai
  662. 20:51they made on the police
  663. 20:53department in New York.
  664. 20:55I made 10,000 copies of this.
  665. 20:59>> Gillian: When all the usual
  666. 21:00efforts to find his son
  667. 21:02failed, Michael Reuven was
  668. 21:03ready for anything.
  669. 21:05In a telephone call,
  670. 21:06Hellmann's had promised
  671. 21:07he'd let Reuven see Shai if
  672. 21:09he could convince the boys
  673. 21:10mother, to send a letter
  674. 21:12agreeing to share custody
  675. 21:13with the rabbi.
  676. 21:15With the police's help, Reuven
  677. 21:16went undercover.
  678. 21:19>> I was wired at this time so
  679. 21:22everything you spoke was on
  680. 21:23the tape.
  681. 21:25He start negotiate with me.
  682. 21:26He said why don't you offer
  683. 21:29him money, I said I don't have
  684. 21:30money to offer her.
  685. 21:32He say I give you this money.
  686. 21:35You can offer her $50,000, can
  687. 21:38go up to 100,000.
  688. 21:40>> Gillian: Where was he going
  689. 21:42to get the money from?
  690. 21:43>> He had the money.
  691. 21:44>> Gillian: He had the money?
  692. 21:45>> He had the money.
  693. 21:46He had the money.
  694. 21:47>> Gillian: And why was your
  695. 21:48son so important to him that
  696. 21:50he would pay that kind of money?
  697. 21:52>> I wonder about it.
  698. 21:55Until today.
  699. 21:57>> Step aside, please.
  700. 21:59>> Gillian: The offer of cash
  701. 22:01for custody helped get
  702. 22:02Helbrans rearrested.
  703. 22:04And once again, the orthodox
  704. 22:06community came to his defence.
  705. 22:08>> So many supporters of rabbi
  706. 22:10Shlomo Helbrans and his wife
  707. 22:11showed up at a Brooklyn
  708. 22:13courthouse this afternoon.
  709. 22:14Their officers fearing a
  710. 22:15security risk, limited public
  711. 22:17access to the emotional
  712. 22:18bail hearing.
  713. 22:24>> Gillian: He'd been gone for
  714. 22:24two years but just days before
  715. 22:26the trial, Shai Fhima
  716. 22:28re-appeared.
  717. 22:30The teenager was till loyal to
  718. 22:31the rabbi.
  719. 22:32He testified on his behalf.
  720. 22:35But phone intercepts showed
  721. 22:36the lengths Helbrans and his
  722. 22:38supporters have gone in
  723. 22:39hiding him.
  724. 22:40Transferring him between
  725. 22:41communities.
  726. 22:43At one point across the border
  727. 22:44into Canada.
  728. 22:46And then to France where he
  729. 22:48was stopped by French customs.
  730. 22:52>> And he had a phony passport
  731. 22:54so how does a 13-year-old,
  732. 22:57unless he's not receiving
  733. 23:00help, get a phony passport?
  734. 23:06>> Gillian: In 1994, Helbrans
  735. 23:07was convicted of kidnapping
  736. 23:10and sentenced to a minimum
  737. 23:11four years in prison.
  738. 23:13He would serve two.
  739. 23:15The United States deported him
  740. 23:17back to Israel, but he
  741. 23:19wouldn't stay long.
  742. 23:20Within weeks, the rabbi was on
  743. 23:22the road again.
  744. 23:24Looking for a new home for
  745. 23:25Lev Tahor.
  746. 23:27He'd find it in Canada.
  747. 23:30When we return.
  748. 23:32>> He told me a lot.
  749. 23:33I'm special, I'm holy, I'm smart
  750. 23:36and all that, but he used
  751. 23:38those lines for everyone.
  752. 23:39( ♪♪ )
  753. 23:46(♪♪)
  754. 23:49>> Gillian: If you're looking
  755. 23:50for privacy, the Laurentian
  756. 23:51mountains north of Montreal
  757. 23:52aren't a bad place to find it.
  758. 23:55Six weeks after he was
  759. 23:56deported to Israel, Shlomo
  760. 23:58Helbrans arrived in Canada.
  761. 24:01And was soon rebuilding his Lev
  762. 24:02Tahor community in the
  763. 24:04town of Ste. Agathe.
  764. 24:08But as he set about regaining
  765. 24:09his flock Helbrans had
  766. 24:11a problem.
  767. 24:12He'd been admitted to Canada
  768. 24:14on a visitor's Visa.
  769. 24:15If he wanted to stay and be
  770. 24:16legal, he'd have to change that.
  771. 24:19He first applied to become a
  772. 24:20Canadian resident but that was
  773. 24:22stopped when authorities
  774. 24:23discovered he'd been jailed
  775. 24:24for that kidnapping in New York.
  776. 24:27And so in 2003, he tried the
  777. 24:29next best thing.
  778. 24:31Shlomo Helbrans asked Canada
  779. 24:33to accept him as a refugee.
  780. 24:38The key to becoming a refugee
  781. 24:39is to convince a refugee board
  782. 24:42you'll be persecuted if
  783. 24:43sent home.
  784. 24:44Helbrans argued that as an
  785. 24:45anti-zionist rabbi, he was a
  786. 24:47threat to Israel.
  787. 24:49That argument had never been
  788. 24:51tested in Canada before and a
  789. 24:53man who would preside over
  790. 24:54Helbrans' hearing admits the
  791. 24:56issues were new to him.
  792. 24:58Former refugee board
  793. 24:59commissioner Gilles Ethier.
  794. 25:02>> It's not important what I
  795. 25:04knew and what I didn't know.
  796. 25:08The thing is that I had a
  797. 25:10proof and evidence that was
  798. 25:13put in front of me, and I had
  799. 25:15to decide with that.
  800. 25:18>> Gillian: He had to decide,
  801. 25:19but he wouldn't get a lot
  802. 25:20of help.
  803. 25:21Ottawa was so convinced the
  804. 25:22case would be thrown out, it
  805. 25:24didn't send a lawyer to
  806. 25:25question the evidence.
  807. 25:27Eight witnesses and documents,
  808. 25:29all claiming Helbrans would be
  809. 25:31at risk.
  810. 25:33>> I think that they did
  811. 25:34not check.
  812. 25:35>> Gillian: We asked professor
  813. 25:36Menachem Friedman, Israel's
  814. 25:37leading scholar on orthodox
  815. 25:40groups, to read Helbrans
  816. 25:41refugee file.
  817. 25:43>> When I read it, I laugh.
  818. 25:47If it was not so tragic, it is
  819. 25:51a comedy.
  820. 25:52>> Gillian: You don't
  821. 25:53believe it.
  822. 25:54>> I don't believe it at all.
  823. 25:56>> Gillian: That's because
  824. 25:57there are ultraorthodox rabbis
  825. 25:58in Israel who take their
  826. 26:00opposition to the state
  827. 26:01much further.
  828. 26:03Openly aligning themselves
  829. 26:04with Iran's rabid anti-Israel
  830. 26:06leaders, for instance, and no
  831. 26:08one bothers them, says Friedman.
  832. 26:11>> Others are very well-known,
  833. 26:14and they preach their
  834. 26:15philosophy.
  835. 26:16>> Gillian: The state of Israel
  836. 26:17does not stop them.
  837. 26:19>> Has no interest in them.
  838. 26:21>> Gillian: But if Israel had
  839. 26:22no interest, the Canadian
  840. 26:23refugee board did.
  841. 26:25One witness in particular
  842. 26:26would impress commissioner
  843. 26:28Ethier, a man who claimed
  844. 26:30Israel's military ordered him
  845. 26:32to infiltrate Lev Tahor.
  846. 26:34>> That was an important
  847. 26:36element, as I recall, because
  848. 26:40it illustrates the fact that
  849. 26:45the state or the government
  850. 26:48was giving some importance to
  851. 26:52this gentleman.
  852. 26:54>> Gillian: The witness he's
  853. 26:55referring to is none other
  854. 26:57than Uriel Goldman.
  855. 26:58Today Lev Tahor's spokesman
  856. 27:00in Chatham.
  857. 27:01He testified that as a young
  858. 27:02intelligence soldier in
  859. 27:04Israel's defence force, the
  860. 27:05IDF he was ordered to
  861. 27:07secretly spy on Shlomo Helbrans
  862. 27:09to help make a case for his
  863. 27:11arrest.
  864. 27:13Instead, Goldman says he was
  865. 27:14so taken by the rabbi, he
  866. 27:16decided to join.
  867. 27:20And yet when we asked him
  868. 27:21about the story, Goldman
  869. 27:23became distinctly uneasy.
  870. 27:25>> I really don't want to talk
  871. 27:26about that because it's a
  872. 27:29very -- I know that Israel is
  873. 27:30watching very carefully.
  874. 27:33I think you can understand I
  875. 27:34don't want to receive one day
  876. 27:37a bullet from a Mossad agent
  877. 27:38or something like that.
  878. 27:39>> Gillian: What I'm trying to
  879. 27:40get at is whether it's true or
  880. 27:42not so we went to the IDF and
  881. 27:44we asked them about Mr. Goldman
  882. 27:46and the story that he tells, and
  883. 27:47they say we have no record of
  884. 27:49Mr. Goldman in the military
  885. 27:52intelligence.
  886. 27:53>> I understand there's
  887. 27:54no record.
  888. 27:55I don't want, whatever, but
  889. 27:57say no record, it's the most
  890. 28:01-- for you as a journalist,
  891. 28:03it's like someone say
  892. 28:04no comment.
  893. 28:06>> Gillian: It does raise the
  894. 28:07question of whether or not,
  895. 28:09when you were testifying at
  896. 28:10the refugee board hearing, you
  897. 28:11were telling the truth or not.
  898. 28:12>> Absolutely.
  899. 28:16>> Gillian: Even though the
  900. 28:17IDF today says they have no
  901. 28:19record of you?
  902. 28:20>> I understand why they say
  903. 28:21that.
  904. 28:22And this was not like not a
  905. 28:24normal operation.
  906. 28:28>> Gillian: What was remarkable
  907. 28:29about the Helbrans hearing
  908. 28:30is how few questions were
  909. 28:32asked, evidence was accepted
  910. 28:33without corroboration.
  911. 28:36>> Everybody was pertinent, no
  912. 28:38contradiction, they were good
  913. 28:40witnesses, and I was struck
  914. 28:42by that.
  915. 28:43>> Gillian: One thing that
  916. 28:44didn't need corroborating was
  917. 28:46Helbrans' criminal record.
  918. 28:47He was a convicted kidnapper,
  919. 28:49a big obstacle for any
  920. 28:51would-be refugee.
  921. 28:53So what better strategy than
  922. 28:55to have the kidnapping victim
  923. 28:57make an appearance?
  924. 28:59>> I feel really bad for what
  925. 29:00happened to the rabbi.
  926. 29:02>> Gillian: Shai Fhima was 24
  927. 29:03years old at the hearing.
  928. 29:05This videotape of him next to
  929. 29:06a smiling Shlomo Helbrans was
  930. 29:09submitted as part of the
  931. 29:10rabbi's claim.
  932. 29:12>> He was prosecuted just
  933. 29:14because he introduced me to the
  934. 29:15religion, nothing else, not
  935. 29:16because he kidnapped
  936. 29:17me, this is why I'm here
  937. 29:19today, because I want to clear
  938. 29:20up his name.
  939. 29:22>> Gillian: But in researching
  940. 29:23the story, we've discovered
  941. 29:24something disturbing.
  942. 29:26Shai Fhima now tells us that
  943. 29:27what he said on that videotape
  944. 29:29was a lie.
  945. 29:30Lev Tahor paid him, he says,
  946. 29:32$5,000, to make the recording,
  947. 29:35a deal he claims was arranged
  948. 29:36by the community spokesman
  949. 29:38Uriel Goldman.
  950. 29:39Fhima wouldn't talk to us on
  951. 29:41camera, he's not proud he
  952. 29:42accepted the deal.
  953. 29:44But all these years later, he
  954. 29:45feels it's important to set
  955. 29:46the record straight.
  956. 29:48Shlomo Helbrans did kidnap
  957. 29:50him, he says, no one should be
  958. 29:52in any doubt.
  959. 29:55Commissioner Ethier says that
  960. 29:57if he'd known all of that in
  961. 29:582003, it might have led him to
  962. 30:00assess the evidence
  963. 30:01differently.
  964. 30:03As it was, he accepted Shlomo
  965. 30:04Helbrans as a refugee, a
  966. 30:06decision that was upheld
  967. 30:07on appeal.
  968. 30:10Now the rabbi was safe to stay
  969. 30:12and to grow his Ste. Agathe
  970. 30:14community.
  971. 30:17(speaking in French)
  972. 30:21>> Gillian: In fact, it was just
  973. 30:22a year later this documentary
  974. 30:24again captured the image Lev
  975. 30:26Tahor wanted to project.
  976. 30:31Devoted families who simply
  977. 30:32wanted the freedom to live
  978. 30:34apart.
  979. 30:35But the happy children did not
  980. 30:37include Mendhi Markus.
  981. 30:39He was tent to Lev Tahor to
  982. 30:40attend school at age 11.
  983. 30:44>> The way they make you
  984. 30:45listen is by slapping you or
  985. 30:48pinching you and some, you
  986. 30:50know, extreme religious people
  987. 30:53would call that discipline.
  988. 30:55But it's not discipline.
  989. 30:57It's physical abuse.
  990. 31:00>> Gillian: Markus' family was
  991. 31:01extremely religious but Lev
  992. 31:03Tahor, he says, was even
  993. 31:04more so.
  994. 31:06Prayers were noisy and lasted
  995. 31:08for hours.
  996. 31:10The competition to impress the
  997. 31:11rabbi was intense.
  998. 31:14>> These people there will do
  999. 31:15anything and everything for him.
  1000. 31:17He lives a beautiful life.
  1001. 31:19He has beautiful chairs,
  1002. 31:20beautiful silverware, all
  1003. 31:22kinds of very fancy rabbi
  1004. 31:25stuff, and the people in his
  1005. 31:29community have nothing.
  1006. 31:32>> Gillian: The boy and the
  1007. 31:33rabbi spent a lot of
  1008. 31:34time together.
  1009. 31:35>> He told me a lot I'm
  1010. 31:36special, I'm holy, I'm smart
  1011. 31:39and all that.
  1012. 31:40But he used those lines for
  1013. 31:41everyone to get them to listen.
  1014. 31:45>> Gillian: Today, Markus has
  1015. 31:46no trouble using the word,
  1016. 31:48brainwashing.
  1017. 31:50>> He couldn't care less about
  1018. 31:52any of the God stuff.
  1019. 31:54It's a tool for him to get
  1020. 31:55people to follow him.
  1021. 31:57And once they follow him, the
  1022. 31:59God part falls away, and he
  1023. 32:01has pure mind control over the
  1024. 32:02people.
  1025. 32:04>> Gillian: Markus wasn't the
  1026. 32:05only visitor.
  1027. 32:06Shulamit Kaminsky spent a few
  1028. 32:08months in Lev Tahor.
  1029. 32:09What shocked her was how
  1030. 32:11unhappy they all seemed.
  1031. 32:15>> Voice of Translator: They
  1032. 32:16all pop pills, all kind of
  1033. 32:17pills, I don't know what kind
  1034. 32:18of pills.
  1035. 32:19They were on the shelves for
  1036. 32:20people to take freely.
  1037. 32:23The rabbi orders them to take
  1038. 32:24those pills, and you take it.
  1039. 32:27>> You saw it with your
  1040. 32:28own eyes?
  1041. 32:29>> Voice of Translator: Yes,
  1042. 32:30I did.
  1043. 32:32>> Gillian: Almost a decade
  1044. 32:33later, it's the same concerns
  1045. 32:34that are now part of a
  1046. 32:36criminal investigation.
  1047. 32:38Among the allegations in those
  1048. 32:39police search warrants,
  1049. 32:41psychological control by
  1050. 32:43medication, beatings,
  1051. 32:45confinement, marriages of
  1052. 32:47underage girls to older men.
  1053. 32:51In a community where only one
  1054. 32:53man has the power, only one
  1055. 32:55man can provide the answers.
  1056. 32:58When we come back, the
  1057. 32:59rabbi speaks.
  1058. 33:02>> I never married children
  1059. 33:03against the law.
  1060. 33:06Point.
  1061. 33:07( ♪♪ )
  1062. 33:13(♪♪)
  1063. 33:16>> Gillian: If there is any
  1064. 33:17doubt as to who is the beating
  1065. 33:19heart of Lev Tahor, it only
  1066. 33:22takes minutes in this
  1067. 33:23community to understand.
  1068. 33:25In Chatham, Shlomo Helbrans
  1069. 33:27is revered.
  1070. 33:29Perhaps, more importantly,
  1071. 33:30he's obeyed.
  1072. 33:34>> Thank you very much
  1073. 33:35for coming.
  1074. 33:36>> Gillian: We asked for a
  1075. 33:37private conversation with the
  1076. 33:38rabbi, but he insisted on
  1077. 33:39being surrounded by at least
  1078. 33:41half a dozen helpers.
  1079. 33:43For a conversation that would
  1080. 33:44go on for more than three
  1081. 33:45hours.
  1082. 33:48Rabbi Helbrans.
  1083. 33:49It is important that the
  1084. 33:50Canadian people hear you talk
  1085. 33:53about the allegations.
  1086. 33:55>> Okay.
  1087. 33:55>> You say it's persecution.
  1088. 33:56We have been told that it is
  1089. 33:58common in Lev Tahor that
  1090. 34:00children who misbehave will be
  1091. 34:02hit with wire coat hangers,
  1092. 34:04will be hit with wooden
  1093. 34:06batons, will be hit with
  1094. 34:07belts, with fists, with hands.
  1095. 34:10Is this how discipline happens
  1096. 34:13in Lev Tahor?
  1097. 34:14>> Okay.
  1098. 34:15I don't want to say for this
  1099. 34:17my policy.
  1100. 34:17Just the truth, yes.
  1101. 34:18To say no child never receives
  1102. 34:22a slap of a hand never, ever
  1103. 34:28is false, is false, but what I
  1104. 34:31can to declare very strongly
  1105. 34:34that physical punishment of
  1106. 34:36children we can use in our
  1107. 34:38community a lot less than
  1108. 34:41the western society.
  1109. 34:43>> So people who claim that
  1110. 34:44they were beaten or they saw
  1111. 34:45people beaten are wrong?
  1112. 34:47>> People say a lie,
  1113. 34:48absolutely lie.
  1114. 34:50>> Gillian: Many things were
  1115. 34:51lies, he said.
  1116. 34:52The allegations he declared
  1117. 34:53people mentally ill,
  1118. 34:55instructed them to
  1119. 34:56take medication.
  1120. 34:58>> Of course I never, ever,
  1121. 34:59never, never, never offer to
  1122. 35:02nobody any kind of any pills.
  1123. 35:04>> Gillian: How many people
  1124. 35:06have you diagnosed with border
  1125. 35:06line personality disorder?
  1126. 35:09>> It was two peoples.
  1127. 35:10>> Gillian: Only two?
  1128. 35:11>> Two people.
  1129. 35:12One moment.
  1130. 35:13Two peoples.
  1131. 35:14I didn't -- you see where you
  1132. 35:16take me?
  1133. 35:17I just try to explain to these
  1134. 35:18people that they have to see a
  1135. 35:20doctor, yes.
  1136. 35:21>> Gillian: But other people
  1137. 35:22have told us that they have
  1138. 35:25seen many medications in this
  1139. 35:27community, have seen people
  1140. 35:28taking pills all the time, and
  1141. 35:30that it is about controlling
  1142. 35:32the people who live here.
  1143. 35:33>> Okay.
  1144. 35:34Go to a sleep room and bring
  1145. 35:37what you find of my own tables
  1146. 35:38there, okay?
  1147. 35:41>> Gillian: This was the
  1148. 35:42explanation.
  1149. 35:43Vitamins, he said.
  1150. 35:44Lots of vitamins.
  1151. 35:46Everybody taking pills, they
  1152. 35:48were taking vitamins?
  1153. 35:49>> No, no, it's not -- not
  1154. 35:50everybody take all the vitamins.
  1155. 35:52Somebody suffering from nerves
  1156. 35:54problem, yes, to put to sleep,
  1157. 35:57or sometimes worse, so they
  1158. 36:00are especially class vitamins I
  1159. 36:02would support this person to
  1160. 36:03take, B complex, magnesium, and
  1161. 36:06then if somebody have to take
  1162. 36:09medical treatment, I'm very
  1163. 36:11extreme about it, they have to
  1164. 36:13take it.
  1165. 36:14>> Gillian: We then asked him
  1166. 36:16about marriages.
  1167. 36:17Do you marry children under
  1168. 36:19the age of 16?
  1169. 36:20>> Now, first of all, you
  1170. 36:22cannot to judge community just
  1171. 36:24with -- (making sound).
  1172. 36:26Yes or not.
  1173. 36:27You must understand story.
  1174. 36:28>> Gillian: It's a simple
  1175. 36:28question.
  1176. 36:29>> No, no, no --
  1177. 36:30>> Gillian: Do you marry
  1178. 36:31children under the age of 16?
  1179. 36:31>> First of all, we don't --
  1180. 36:33we never -- we never.
  1181. 36:35>> Gillian: It's never happened?
  1182. 36:36>> It's happened.
  1183. 36:37I never marry children against
  1184. 36:39the law.
  1185. 36:41What is happening like this.
  1186. 36:42I marriage, it was maybe,
  1187. 36:45maybe, maybe three stories,
  1188. 36:48three stories that families
  1189. 36:51was marriage in America by
  1190. 36:53judge, yes, and after that
  1191. 36:55they're asking me to do the
  1192. 36:58ceremony, also, yes.
  1193. 36:59>> Gillian: So three times it
  1194. 37:01did happen, he said,
  1195. 37:0215-year-olds travelled to
  1196. 37:04Missouri where the marriage
  1197. 37:05laws are different.
  1198. 37:07When we suggested he'd sent
  1199. 37:08them to avoid Canadian law,
  1200. 37:10he bristled.
  1201. 37:12>> People in my community are
  1202. 37:14not puppet.
  1203. 37:15Mr. Goldman is not a puppet,
  1204. 37:17and his daughter is not a
  1205. 37:18puppet and his children are
  1206. 37:19not a puppet.
  1207. 37:20>> Gillian: You understand in
  1208. 37:21this country it's considered
  1209. 37:22child abuse, you
  1210. 37:23understand that?
  1211. 37:24>> No, no, I didn't understand
  1212. 37:26it, I don't understand it
  1213. 37:27right now because you are
  1214. 37:28wrong.
  1215. 37:29>> Gillian: Whatever the moral
  1216. 37:30implications, it is a crime in
  1217. 37:31Canada if a much older man has
  1218. 37:33marital relations with an
  1219. 37:35underage girl.
  1220. 37:36We asked if it had ever
  1221. 37:38happened at Lev Tahor and he
  1222. 37:39denied it.
  1223. 37:40One of the questions people --
  1224. 37:41Then we asked about that
  1225. 37:43refugee board hearing, how he
  1226. 37:46came to be in Canada.
  1227. 37:47There has been questions
  1228. 37:48raised about whether the
  1229. 37:50information that was given at
  1230. 37:52the refugee hearing was true.
  1231. 37:54>> I didn't lie to
  1232. 37:55refugee board.
  1233. 37:56I was not able to provide the
  1234. 37:57real story -- I was prosecuted--
  1235. 37:59I am not able to bring you
  1236. 38:02today, Mrs. Findlay, how I'm
  1237. 38:03prosecuted here in Canada.
  1238. 38:06>> Part of your application to
  1239. 38:08become a refugee in Canada --
  1240. 38:09>> -- the blessing of the
  1241. 38:10coffee, one moment.
  1242. 38:13>> Gillian: As the rabbi blessed
  1243. 38:14his coffee, we told him what we
  1244. 38:16learned about that videotape
  1245. 38:17with Shai Fhima, the kidnap
  1246. 38:19victim.
  1247. 38:24>> Gillian: We've talked to
  1248. 38:25Shai.
  1249. 38:25>> Yes.
  1250. 38:26>> Gillian: He tells us that
  1251. 38:27he was paid to make that video.
  1252. 38:29>> Okay.
  1253. 38:30>> $5,000.
  1254. 38:31>> Okay.
  1255. 38:31So is absolutely false and
  1256. 38:32a lie.
  1257. 38:34First of all, he was not paid
  1258. 38:35even one penny once.
  1259. 38:36>> He says Mr. Goldman
  1260. 38:37actually made the arrangement.
  1261. 38:38Mr. Goldman, did you
  1262. 38:39arrange that?
  1263. 38:41>> His ticket.
  1264. 38:42>> Did you pay for his ticket?
  1265. 38:44>> Let me tell you all the
  1266. 38:45story as I remember right now.
  1267. 38:47You will pay his ticket, yes.
  1268. 38:49This I remember absolutely.
  1269. 38:50>> Gillian: You did pay his
  1270. 38:51ticket.
  1271. 38:51>> Yes.
  1272. 38:52>> Gillian: Did you in addition
  1273. 38:53to paying his tickets pay him
  1274. 38:54$5,000?
  1275. 38:55>> No, absolutely no.
  1276. 38:56>> Gillian: Why would he say
  1277. 38:57that now?
  1278. 38:57>> Now, you ask me --
  1279. 39:00>> Gillian: Excuse me, excuse
  1280. 39:02me.
  1281. 39:03>> What's the connection we are
  1282. 39:04over right now?
  1283. 39:04>> Gillian: No, the connection
  1284. 39:05is did you lie to get into this
  1285. 39:06country?
  1286. 39:08>> I didn't lie to get in the
  1287. 39:10country.
  1288. 39:11>> Gillian: Did you pay Shai
  1289. 39:12Fhima to help you get into this
  1290. 39:13country?
  1291. 39:13>> Okay, so truth him to believe
  1292. 39:14what am I to say.
  1293. 39:18>> Gillian: The allegations
  1294. 39:19have shaken this community and
  1295. 39:21left them groping for an
  1296. 39:22explanation as to why the
  1297. 39:24authorities would target them.
  1298. 39:27Their answer is as old
  1299. 39:28as history.
  1300. 39:30Anti-Semitism.
  1301. 39:32>> The Jewish nation is a
  1302. 39:33target from allegation already
  1303. 39:36more than 3,000 years.
  1304. 39:38We persecuted because our
  1305. 39:41spiritual background, because
  1306. 39:43we are Jews, because we are
  1307. 39:46anti-zionist, because we
  1308. 39:49are extreme.
  1309. 39:51>> Gillian: But his claim they
  1310. 39:52are hated because they are
  1311. 39:53Jews gets no sympathy in the
  1312. 39:56Jewish state.
  1313. 39:58>> I think all of the ways
  1314. 40:00that this sect operates is
  1315. 40:01something that is
  1316. 40:04contradictory to Judaism in
  1317. 40:06every aspect of it.
  1318. 40:08>> Gillian: In Israel, a
  1319. 40:09parliamentary committee on the
  1320. 40:10rights of the child has been
  1321. 40:11gathering evidence on Lev Tahor.
  1322. 40:14Even among the very
  1323. 40:15ultraorthodox here, the
  1324. 40:17Canadian community is viewed
  1325. 40:19as bizarre.
  1326. 40:20Israeli families who have
  1327. 40:22children in Lev Tahor are
  1328. 40:23pressuring their government to
  1329. 40:24do something.
  1330. 40:29And in turn, government
  1331. 40:30representative Yariv Levine
  1332. 40:32is calling on Canada to shut
  1333. 40:34Shlomo Helbrans down.
  1334. 40:37>> He doesn't have any excuse
  1335. 40:40and any reason to be
  1336. 40:41recognized as a refugee but
  1337. 40:43all of that we can deal
  1338. 40:44later on.
  1339. 40:45Now we have to deal with
  1340. 40:47the children.
  1341. 40:50>> Gillian: Which is what Oded
  1342. 40:51Twik from his tiny electronics
  1343. 40:53shop outside Tel Aviv has been
  1344. 40:55trying to do for
  1345. 40:56two-and-a-half years.
  1346. 41:00>> Voice of Translator: She
  1347. 41:01gets married in 2000, when she
  1348. 41:03was 14.
  1349. 41:05>> Voice of Translator: Yes,
  1350. 41:06we do understand she was more
  1351. 41:07or less 14.
  1352. 41:08>> Gillian: He used to worry
  1353. 41:09about his sister and her
  1354. 41:10eight children.
  1355. 41:12Now he wants everyone out.
  1356. 41:15>> Voice of Translator: After
  1357. 41:16talking to other parents,
  1358. 41:16listening to their stories, I
  1359. 41:18want to fight against the
  1360. 41:19whole thing.
  1361. 41:21So I want to put an end to
  1362. 41:22this place.
  1363. 41:26>> Gillian: It is the children,
  1364. 41:27girls in particular, who are
  1365. 41:30at the centre of the concerns
  1366. 41:31about Lev Tahor.
  1367. 41:34Each time we visited Chatham
  1368. 41:35we made a point of asking to
  1369. 41:37speak with Oded's sister.
  1370. 41:39It was only as we prepared to
  1371. 41:40leave the last time that we
  1372. 41:42were able to meet Sima
  1373. 41:44although she didn't want to
  1374. 41:45show her face.
  1375. 41:46With her husband next to her,
  1376. 41:48she denied her brother's story
  1377. 41:50that her children had ever
  1378. 41:51been taken from her as a
  1379. 41:53punishment.
  1380. 41:55>> Gillian: He thinks that you
  1381. 41:57are not happy here and that your
  1382. 41:58children are not happy here.
  1383. 42:00>> I told my brother
  1384. 42:02everything it's okay.
  1385. 42:04And I'm good place.
  1386. 42:09>> Gillian: Whether she is in
  1387. 42:10a good place, whether any of
  1388. 42:12them are is something Canada's
  1389. 42:14courts will have to decide.
  1390. 42:20(♪♪)

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