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- 0:54again. Regarding interesting facts
- 0:59about health care. Meet our doctor on
- 1:05Tam Tawan, in collaboration with the
- 1:07Abhaibhubejhr Thai Traditional Medicine
- 1:09College. Today, our guest speaker will
- 1:13raise a very interesting topic. In
- 1:18today’s aging society, specifically
- 1:20on this matter. The issue of dementia
- 1:27in the elderly. And also about herbs
- 1:33and Thai traditional medicine. How can
- 1:38they help in managing dementia in the
- 1:39elderly? In just a moment, we will
- 1:44follow up on this. And right now, our
- 1:50guest speaker is ready. We welcome
- 1:53Ajarn Pinit. Chinsroi. Head of Medical
- 1:56Services. Medicine and Public Health.
- 1:59Abhaibhubejhr Thai Traditional Medicine
- 2:01College. Hello, Ajarn.
- 2:04>> Hello, and hello to all our listeners
- 2:06as well.
- 2:09>> Ajarn, today we return to talk about a
- 2:11very interesting topic: managing
- 2:13dementia in the elderly with herbs and
- 2:15Thai traditional medicine. Why did you
- 2:21choose this topic for our discussion?
- 2:24>> I must explain to Khun Nut and the
- 2:25listeners like this. About this topic.
- 2:32We often think that when we grow old,
- 2:34memory decline is normal, which is
- 2:36partially true. However, there is a
- 2:42condition we call dementia, which
- 2:44sometimes occurs faster and more
- 2:46severely than normal. This is a concern
- 2:52in caring for the elderly, and we often
- 2:54see it, especially in those aged 65 and
- 2:57up; we often find symptoms of dementia.
- 3:04Sometimes we might not call it dementia
- 3:06, but rather cognitive or intellectual
- 3:08impairment. In English, we call this
- 3:13mild cognitive impairment. It might not
- 3:16have reached the stage of Alzheimer's
- 3:18disease or dementia yet. It is a
- 3:21condition that may occur related to the
- 3:23degeneration of the brain. There may be
- 3:27various abnormalities that occur, such
- 3:29as with memory. Especially short-term
- 3:32memory, which may not be very good or
- 3:34you may forget things quickly. There
- 3:39may be issues with thinking and
- 3:41decision-making that aren't as sharp,
- 3:43or a tendency to make mistakes. There
- 3:48might be changes in language use or
- 3:50communication that sound odd or unclear
- 3:52compared to how they used to be. And
- 3:55also issues with behavior, emotions,
- 3:58and daily life routines. This is a
- 4:01condition that is likely to occur in
- 4:03the elderly. It happens quite
- 4:06frequently in older adults. 65 and
- 4:08older. So it is an interesting topic on
- 4:11how we should care for the elderly. Or
- 4:16how to prevent it from progressing or
- 4:18becoming more severe.
- 4:24>> Yes, in the past, I admit that when
- 4:26talking about dementia, people felt it
- 4:28was something that just happens to the
- 4:30elderly, so some see it as normal. But
- 4:43I had a chance to speak with a brain
- 4:45expert, and they said that personally,
- 4:47they fear dementia even more than
- 4:48cancer. Because dementia can happen
- 5:00without the person even knowing, or it
- 5:02may develop gradually. But with cancer,
- 5:09at least if you get checked, you can
- 5:11find out if it's there, what stage it
- 5:12is, and what treatment to follow. But
- 5:19from what we see, patients with
- 5:21dementia or Alzheimer's are a group
- 5:22that truly deserves a lot of sympathy.
- 5:28>> Yes, that's right, dementia is a
- 5:30condition that can develop quite
- 5:32gradually. And we understand that such
- 5:36a condition is not a normal occurrence,
- 5:38as Nuch and the professor have
- 5:39mentioned. Actually, an interesting
- 5:44point is that it will continue to
- 5:46progress until it affects daily life.
- 5:49>> Hmm.
- 5:50>> Yes. Whenever it affects daily life, it
- 5:53creates many problems regarding the
- 5:55care of the elderly. Both for the
- 5:58elderly themselves and the caregivers.
- 6:00Therefore, if we understand, let's
- 6:02first understand that, okay, it may be
- 6:05a change that comes with age. But what
- 6:07if we can slow it down? Or if we can
- 6:09prevent it from progressing or becoming
- 6:11severe enough to affect daily life?
- 6:14This, will be something that improves
- 6:16the quality of life for the elderly, as
- 6:18well as for the caregivers.
- 6:20>> Yes, let's start with this then,
- 6:22Professor. Regarding the medical
- 6:26perspective on patients with dementia
- 6:28in the elderly. From a modern medical
- 6:33perspective, I would like you to
- 6:35compare modern medicine with Thai
- 6:36traditional medicine. How are the
- 6:41perspectives on dementia in the elderly
- 6:43similar or different, Professor?
- 6:46>> Yes, as I have already mentioned.
- 6:51Dementia is a condition where there is
- 6:53a decline or deterioration in the
- 6:54function of the brain or the related
- 6:56nervous system. There will be symptoms
- 7:01such as short-term memory that may not
- 7:03be very good. Remembering and then
- 7:05forgetting. And next would be long-term
- 7:08memory, such as memories from the past.
- 7:11One might forget things, like "Have I
- 7:13been here before?" or "Where was my old
- 7:15house?", something like that. The
- 7:17ability to think, make decisions, and
- 7:19plan will be relatively diminished.
- 7:22>> Hmm, and there are also mood changes,
- 7:24as I mentioned, we usually find this in
- 7:27the elderly aged 65 and up.
- 7:29>> Yes.
- 7:29>> Yes. Now, let's see why this happens in
- 7:33modern medicine. Currently, they have
- 7:37found that there are physiological
- 7:39mechanisms, and many pathological
- 7:41mechanisms that lead to dementia. Such
- 7:45as the degeneration of neurons. Which
- 7:48is something that can happen with age.
- 7:50Neurons, they will undergo degeneration
- 7:52. Now, the limitation of these cells is
- 7:55unlike other cells. That is, once they
- 7:57die, they do not regenerate. Therefore,
- 8:00they will gradually deteriorate, step
- 8:02by step.
- 8:03>> So, if I may briefly digress for a
- 8:05moment. In childhood, during the age
- 8:09range of 1-5 years, this is a period
- 8:11when nerve cells are generated.
- 8:14Therefore, we encourage children to
- 8:16sleep to stimulate the creation of
- 8:18nerve cells. Stimulating hormones
- 8:21allows these nerve cells to develop
- 8:23fully. Therefore, regarding function in
- 8:29later life or during old age, if nerve
- 8:31cells are strong and plentiful, when
- 8:33deterioration occurs, there are still
- 8:35other nerve cells that can maintain the
- 8:37same functions. So, one must understand
- 8:43that the deterioration of nerve cells
- 8:45is normal. But we can take care of them
- 8:48from the very beginning.
- 8:50>> The second point is the abnormal
- 8:52function of certain proteins in the
- 8:54brain, like the protein called amyloid.
- 8:59Which causes plaques or abnormalities
- 9:01in the brain tissue. This leads to
- 9:07problems by disrupting nerve cell
- 9:08signaling or brain function. The next
- 9:13condition is reduced blood flow to the
- 9:15brain.
- 9:16>> Yes.
- 9:20>> This is commonly found in the elderly
- 9:22because as we age, or the blood vessels
- 9:24in the elderly become less elastic.
- 9:30They become stiffer and harder. Or they
- 9:33are more prone to blockages. This
- 9:37causes the brain tissue to suffer from
- 9:39a lack of oxygen. And parts of the
- 9:42brain tissue may eventually die. These
- 9:45people, especially those with chronic
- 9:47diseases, need to be careful, such as
- 9:49those with diabetes, hypertension, and
- 9:52high cholesterol.
- 9:53>> This is something to be very careful
- 9:55about. Another condition is what we
- 10:01call chronic inflammation or a state of
- 10:04high oxidative stress. These come from
- 10:12our behavior and the food that we eat.
- 10:17Some foods, when consumed, stimulate
- 10:19the production of free radicals, or
- 10:22some contain them already, such as
- 10:24burnt grilled foods.
- 10:27>> Eating these things will cause the
- 10:29level of free radicals in the body to
- 10:31rise. When free radicals in the body
- 10:35are high, they accumulate in the vital
- 10:38tissues of various organs. And do you
- 10:42know where they like to be? They like
- 10:45to be in tissues that use high amounts
- 10:46of oxygen.
- 10:49>> So, if we look at the body, there are
- 10:51only a few organs with tissues that use
- 10:54high amounts of oxygen, and the brain
- 10:56uses the most oxygen in the body.
- 11:01>> Therefore, the brain is their primary
- 11:03target, and these four mechanisms lead
- 11:05to a decline in brain function or the
- 11:08degeneration of the brain or nervous
- 11:10system.
- 11:12>> Yes.
- 11:14>> Now, if we look at the causes, as I
- 11:16mentioned, there are many. For example,
- 11:20degeneration resulting from diseases or
- 11:23issues related to cerebrovascular
- 11:25disease. This is associated with other
- 11:29chronic diseases like diabetes,
- 11:31hypertension, and high blood
- 11:33cholesterol. Nervous system infections,
- 11:38such as a history of meningitis. This
- 11:41may increase the chances of these
- 11:43problems occurring faster than normal.
- 11:47Or people with malnutrition or nutrient
- 11:50deficiencies, especially vitamin B12.
- 11:55These can cause significant issues with
- 11:57the brain and nervous system. Or
- 12:02abnormal function of certain endocrine
- 12:04systems, such as the thyroid. Or the
- 12:11long-term use of certain medications,
- 12:13such as those used for depression,
- 12:15which can affect the brain. In addition
- 12:22, certain brain injuries may also cause
- 12:25these problems or increase the risk of
- 12:27dementia compared to normal people. For
- 12:32example, oxygen deprivation. Seizures
- 12:36or having low blood sugar for a long
- 12:38and continuous period of time. This
- 12:43oxygen deprivation condition is also
- 12:45linked to, um, sleep apnea as well.
- 12:50Because when we sleep, in the elderly
- 12:52or in very obese people, temporary
- 12:54breathing pauses can occur, which
- 12:56causes oxygen levels in the blood to
- 12:59drop. Therefore, this results in the
- 13:02brain being deprived of oxygen and
- 13:04increases the occurrence of these
- 13:06conditions. These are the causes and
- 13:09mechanisms from the perspective of
- 13:11modern medicine.
- 13:12>> Yes.
- 13:12>> Now, if we look at it......
- 13:14>> from the perspective of Thai
- 13:15traditional medicine, then? Ah, from
- 13:17the Thai traditional perspective, then.
- 13:20From the Thai medicine point of view,
- 13:22it is believed that memory conditions
- 13:24......these types of memory......are
- 13:26related to the wind element. In Thai
- 13:30medicine, we have a specific group of
- 13:32wind. Which we call Sukhumavata.
- 13:36Sukhumavata is a subtle wind that flows
- 13:38through small vessels and small
- 13:40channels. We believe that for the brain
- 13:44......the wind that controls these
- 13:46functions is what we call Sukhumavata.
- 13:48>> Yes.
- 13:51>> So, if Sukhumavata does not function
- 13:53well......it may cause cognitive
- 13:55processes to slow down. Confusion. Or
- 14:01poor memory. Yes, poor memory.
- 14:04Forgetfulness. Yes. Next is the matter
- 14:08of the fire element. The fire element
- 14:11is associated with thought. Processing
- 14:13various information. Yes. If the fire
- 14:17element, which relates to the brain's
- 14:19cognitive function, decreases......it
- 14:21will cause thinking......analysis......
- 14:23and discrimination......to become
- 14:25slower, which then impacts
- 14:27decision-making. The last one is the
- 14:31water element. If the water element
- 14:34becomes aggravated......it will cause
- 14:36thoughts to slow down. Causing
- 14:40drowsiness. Or sometimes a feeling of
- 14:42heaviness in the head, wanting only to
- 14:45sleep and not wanting to engage in
- 14:46other activities. Therefore, the key
- 14:50concept in caring for dementia from the
- 14:52Thai traditional medicine perspective
- 14:54is that, first, blood and wind
- 14:56circulation must be good.
- 15:00>> Blood must be healthy enough to nourish
- 15:02the brain, supported by a digestive
- 15:04fire that is fully functional—both in
- 15:06terms of cognition and the digestion of
- 15:08nutrients for nourishment. This is a
- 15:11fundamental principle in Thai
- 15:13traditional medicine.
- 15:18>> Well, it's a perspective that might be
- 15:20quite different, but from the
- 15:21standpoint of Thai traditional medicine
- 15:23, I find it to be an interesting angle,
- 15:25Professor. Professor? It seems like
- 15:35we've lost the signal from our speaker,
- 15:36hasn't it?
- 15:37>> Oh.
- 15:37>> Yes, I can hear you now. I hear you.
- 15:39There seemed to be a bit of
- 15:41interference earlier.
- 15:42>> Oh, my apologies. We have now seen
- 15:45perspectives from both modern medicine
- 15:47and Thai traditional medicine. Now,
- 15:50regarding our current society,
- 15:52Professor, which is also an aging
- 15:54society. I personally have several
- 15:56elderly people in my own home,
- 15:58Professor. And we also have fans of our
- 16:02program who have called in to say that
- 16:03they have to take care of elderly
- 16:05family members who are starting to have
- 16:06problems with dementia. Some may only
- 16:10be in the early stages. Others say it
- 16:14is quite advanced, and there might even
- 16:16be a bedridden condition involved as
- 16:18well. Given this, I would like to ask
- 16:21for your advice on the matter. Because
- 16:30we would like to have some options; are
- 16:32there any Thai herbs or treatments from
- 16:33Thai traditional medicine that you
- 16:35think could help in caring for the
- 16:37elderly living with dementia?
- 16:45>> Okay, there are several herbs that are
- 16:47quite interesting. But before we get to
- 16:52the herbs, I would first like to
- 16:54discuss how we actually evaluate the
- 16:56state of dementia. There are various
- 17:01assessment tools that are currently in
- 17:03use. Through these, a doctor can
- 17:10evaluate whether, based on the
- 17:11assessment scores, the results fall
- 17:13below the threshold and determine the
- 17:15level of cognitive decline. Because it
- 17:24ranges from mild impairment to dementia
- 17:26, or whether it is at a moderate or
- 17:28severe stage of dementia. This is very
- 17:34necessary. First and foremost, I would
- 17:37recommend that you should see a doctor.
- 17:42To assess the stage of dementia and
- 17:44determine which phase it is in. So that
- 17:48we can plan the correct treatment. Now,
- 17:51if we want to observe ourselves, how
- 17:53can we do that? Or how can we observe
- 17:57the elderly at home?
- 18:00>> We have some simple ways to measure
- 18:02this. That is, 1. We look at the basics
- 18:05of daily routines. For example, bathing
- 18:08. Dressing. Uh. Um. Eating. Using the
- 18:14toilet. Or doing other daily life
- 18:18activities to see if there are any
- 18:20abnormalities. If these basic
- 18:24activities show no abnormalities, uh,
- 18:26it means there likely isn't a problem
- 18:28yet. Now, we can look deeper into more
- 18:34complex activities or daily routines,
- 18:37such as using a phone—do they
- 18:39remember how to dial? Or using
- 18:46applications they’ve used before,
- 18:48like the Line app—how to make a call
- 18:51or a video call. Managing finances,
- 18:56such as how they handle their spending.
- 19:00Do they still keep a record of their
- 19:01expenses as usual? How do they organize
- 19:04or manage their money? Taking care of
- 19:07oneself regarding medication. For
- 19:10example, elderly people usually have to
- 19:12take regular medication, right?
- 19:14>> Yes.
- 19:16>> Sometimes, if it is an elderly person
- 19:18who does not have cognitive issues, we
- 19:20recommend that the elderly organize
- 19:22their own medication. The reason for
- 19:26letting them organize their own meds is
- 19:28so they can train their memory,
- 19:30remembering they have to take this pill
- 19:32, that pill, and so on. It is a form of
- 19:34brain exercise. However, the caregiver
- 19:37still needs to double-check. Check
- 19:39again in case there are any mistakes.
- 19:43Or in terms of cooking, check if the
- 19:45taste has changed. Have the cooking
- 19:48steps changed? Or have they forgotten
- 19:51to turn off appliances, like forgetting
- 19:53to turn off the gas, and so on?
- 19:55>> We call this Instrumental ADL. It
- 19:59refers to complex activities. Now, in
- 20:03terms of assessment, basic daily
- 20:05activities are often still normal. But
- 20:09activities that are more complex, they
- 20:11often have problems. For instance,
- 20:15forgetting how to make a phone call or
- 20:17which button to press.
- 20:19>> Forgetting how to manage their money,
- 20:21or
- 20:22>> taking medication incorrectly, or
- 20:25>> when cooking, they can still do it, but
- 20:30>> they forget to turn off the stove or
- 20:32forget to add ingredients; this shows
- 20:34that their instrumental activities are
- 20:36becoming impaired, which allows us to
- 20:39assess that if it is dementia, it is
- 20:41likely in the early stage.
- 20:44>> Mm.
- 20:45>> Yes.
- 20:52>> We can prevent it from progressing to
- 20:54the moderate and severe stages, but if
- 20:56the basic daily activities are already
- 20:58impaired, such as when bathing,
- 21:06>> Mm.
- 21:07>> forgetting to use soap, or having
- 21:09trouble dressing or eating. For example
- 21:12, forgetting whether they have already
- 21:14eaten or not. This represents a loss of
- 21:18function in basic daily living
- 21:20activities. We would assess that the
- 21:24dementia is likely in the moderate or
- 21:26severe stage.
- 21:28>> Yes.
- 21:29>> It depends on those basic activities.
- 21:33In this case, it is necessary to treat
- 21:35it by using other medications as well.
- 21:37It requires treatment with additional
- 21:39medications. Now, speaking of herbs,
- 21:43there are several herbs that we use. An
- 21:49herb that is widely used and shows good
- 21:51potential is turmeric.
- 21:55>> Turmeric?
- 21:56>> Yes, the turmeric that we use, the one
- 21:59we are working with. Because turmeric
- 22:03has prominent properties, namely its
- 22:05anti-inflammatory effects, antioxidant
- 22:07properties, and its ability to protect
- 22:10nerve cells. Turmeric can help reduce
- 22:17inflammation in the brain. Studies in
- 22:24mice induced with Alzheimer's found
- 22:26that the key compound, curcumin, can
- 22:29inhibit inflammatory substances. This
- 22:36delays neuronal cell death, which helps
- 22:38slow down or prolong the onset of
- 22:40Alzheimer's in mice. It can reduce
- 22:47oxidative stress, which occurs when
- 22:49there are high levels of free radicals
- 22:51in the body.
- 22:55>> Turmeric has quite a strong effect in
- 22:57this regard. As a result, it
- 23:00significantly reduces damage to the
- 23:02nerve cells. It also inhibits the
- 23:07accumulation of amyloid plaques. This
- 23:12is directly related to Alzheimer's
- 23:14disease.
- 23:17>> Uh.
- 23:21>> An important and interesting point
- 23:23rarely found elsewhere is that turmeric
- 23:25can increase certain proteins that
- 23:26repair the nervous system.
- 23:31>> Yes, repairing the nervous system; this
- 23:34is a key highlight of turmeric.
- 23:38>> Another advantage of turmeric is that
- 23:40when it comes to substances acting on
- 23:42the brain. The brain has a protective
- 23:46membrane called the blood-brain barrier
- 23:48. This barrier selectively allows
- 23:53substances to enter the brain, as it is
- 23:55a vital organ. The advantage of
- 24:00turmeric is that its active compound,
- 24:02curcumin, can penetrate the blood-brain
- 24:05barrier well.
- 24:12>> Therefore, it can act directly on the
- 24:14brain, giving it an advantage over
- 24:16other herbs, though there are still
- 24:18some limitations.
- 24:25>> The substances from turmeric have
- 24:27somewhat low absorption from the
- 24:29digestive system. However, it has been
- 24:37found that consuming turmeric along
- 24:39with black pepper increases its
- 24:41absorption rate by 20 times. So, taking
- 24:49turmeric with black pepper will improve
- 24:51its absorption. This helps more of the
- 24:55substance enter the body. When more of
- 25:00the substance gets into the body, it
- 25:02helps improve the effects of protecting
- 25:04the brain. Now, if we connect this to
- 25:11traditional Thai medicine, we find that
- 25:13its anti-inflammatory property helps
- 25:15reduce the "fire element," meaning it
- 25:17reduces inflammation. As for nourishing
- 25:23the blood or the nervous system, that
- 25:25relates to the effect on the "wind
- 25:27element." So, you can see that it helps
- 25:31quite well with both the wind and fire
- 25:33elements. Now, the question is, what
- 25:38dosage is appropriate? I recommend
- 25:44starting with a dosage of about 500
- 25:46milligrams per day. 500 milligrams is
- 25:51roughly 1 to 2 capsules. Because some
- 25:56are about 350 per capsule, or around
- 25:58500, you might need to check the label.
- 26:03If you're starting out, I suggest
- 26:05taking about 500, then gradually
- 26:07increasing the dose to about 1,000 per
- 26:09day.
- 26:11>> Hmm.
- 26:11>> Yes, that would be...
- 26:14>> One capsule in the morning and one in
- 26:15the evening. We use a low dose because
- 26:22the key principle of using herbs for
- 26:24prevention is to use a low dose, taken
- 26:26consistently, over a long period.
- 26:34>> Research suggesting that turmeric is
- 26:36effective for prevention indicates it
- 26:38may be used from 8 weeks. 8 weeks to 24
- 26:44weeks. Now, a concern mentioned in the
- 26:49research is the absorption capability.
- 26:53As we learned earlier, taking it with
- 26:55black pepper helps increase absorption.
- 26:59The research suggests about 800
- 27:01milligrams. But if we take it with
- 27:05black pepper, we might be able to
- 27:07reduce it to about 500 milligrams.
- 27:11Because it increases absorption.
- 27:14>> Oh, I see.
- 27:15>> Professor, what about fresh turmeric?
- 27:19>> Ah, if it's in the form of food.
- 27:22>> Yes.
- 27:23>> We...We can consume it in the form of
- 27:25food as well. Yes. Because in the form
- 27:30of food...We already have foods that
- 27:32contain turmeric, right? in many
- 27:37different forms. For example, whether
- 27:39it's curry or whatever, soups,
- 27:41stir-fries, or curries, right? There
- 27:43are many options. Therefore, we can
- 27:45consume it in the form of food. It's
- 27:54found that if we consume about, uh, the
- 27:56powder, 5-10 grams, we can obtain
- 27:58extracts containing active ingredients
- 28:01of about 20-50 milligrams. This can
- 28:11also help in delaying brain
- 28:12degeneration as well.
- 28:15>> Yes, that's right. Now, for a small tip
- 28:22: Since turmeric is fat-soluble, if we
- 28:25eat food that contains turmeric along
- 28:27with fats, such as coconut milk, or if
- 28:29it's stir-fried or uses oil, it will
- 28:32help extract more of the active
- 28:34compounds. And if you add a little
- 28:41black pepper to that food, it will
- 28:43increase the absorption of curcumin
- 28:45significantly.
- 28:49>> Yes, exactly, so we can choose these
- 28:52types of food menus.
- 28:55>> Now, I would like to add a little more
- 28:57that
- 28:59>> it doesn't just have benefits, there
- 29:01are also precautions when using
- 29:03turmeric. For those taking medication,
- 29:09especially drugs related to blood
- 29:11thinning, such as warfarin, or aspirin,
- 29:13there's a chance it could enhance the
- 29:16drug's effect. Therefore, this requires
- 29:21caution. The precautions are: 1. Don't
- 29:24consume too much. 2. Don't consume it
- 29:27for too long. For instance, take it for
- 29:292 months and stop for 1 month,
- 29:31something like that. Or consume in
- 29:33amounts not exceeding 1,000 milligrams
- 29:35per day. This is a reasonably
- 29:38appropriate dosage. Or if you need to
- 29:44have surgery, or are undergoing surgery
- 29:47, it is recommended to stop taking
- 29:49turmeric for at least 2 weeks. Because
- 29:55it may cause blood to clot slowly, or
- 29:57slow down bleeding.
- 30:02>> Additionally, there may be some
- 30:04conditions, such as bile duct
- 30:05obstruction or gallstones, where we do
- 30:07not recommend using turmeric.
- 30:11>> Yes, that is a point to note.
- 30:12>> Okay, now let's move on to the second
- 30:14item.
- 30:14>> Yes.
- 30:16>> The second one is something you might
- 30:18be familiar with, which is Gotu Kola.
- 30:22Gotu Kola has properties that can help
- 30:24with enhancing memory. It also has
- 30:27anti-inflammatory properties as well. A
- 30:30key point about Gotu Kola, similar to
- 30:32turmeric, is this specific strength of
- 30:34it. That is increasing a special
- 30:38protein in the brain. And it also
- 30:42increases the flexibility of brain
- 30:44function. Meaning, even if our brain is
- 30:50damaged, it can adapt by using other
- 30:52neurons to perform functions similar to
- 30:54before. Gotu Kola can stimulate this
- 31:03process better than other herbs when
- 31:05tested in laboratory animals.
- 31:08>> Yes.
- 31:11>> It is very suitable for groups starting
- 31:13to experience cognitive decline or
- 31:15impaired brain function. It is very
- 31:20suitable because it helps to slow it
- 31:22down significantly. It helps slow it
- 31:24down for a long time. Now, regarding
- 31:30the use of Gotu Kola, as mentioned, it
- 31:33can be used as a medicine or as a
- 31:35dietary supplement. But for self-care,
- 31:44if eating it as a fresh vegetable, you
- 31:47would use about 2-6 grams per day. And
- 31:53consume it about 1-3 times a day, for
- 31:56example, by drinking Gotu Kola juice.
- 31:59But it must be fresh-pressed Gotu Kola
- 32:02juice. You can drink about 2 glasses a
- 32:04day. One glass in the morning and one
- 32:06in the evening. Or you can take Gotu
- 32:08Kola and make it into tea. Dry it and
- 32:11then brew it as tea to drink. This
- 32:14helps with increasing the active
- 32:16compounds. Because we found that the
- 32:20active ingredients are water-soluble.
- 32:23>> For Gotu Kola, it can be used in the
- 32:25form of herbal medicine or tea infusion
- 32:27, unlike turmeric. Turmeric is
- 32:31oil-soluble, so it's best prepared in
- 32:33dishes like stir-fries or curries with
- 32:36coconut milk for better absorption.
- 32:39>> Mm.
- 32:44>> As for the duration, it’s quite
- 32:46similar, about 8-12 weeks to help
- 32:48reduce or slow down dementia, or to
- 32:50improve certain brain functions like
- 32:52memory.
- 32:58>> Does that mean we should stop using it
- 33:00after 8-12 weeks, Professor?
- 33:03>> Well, research shows that results are
- 33:05seen within 8-12 weeks. So, when we use
- 33:08it, we might use it for about 8 weeks,
- 33:11or roughly 2 months, and then stop. As
- 33:14I mentioned, using anything for too
- 33:16long will inevitably affect the body.
- 33:22Therefore, we should use it for a
- 33:24period, along with other activities
- 33:26like exercise or certain physical
- 33:28movements, which will help improve
- 33:30brain function and slow down brain
- 33:32degeneration. Now, we previously talked
- 33:39about the main herbs that are used as
- 33:41food. Next, I would like to move on to
- 33:44other processes. As we said, just
- 33:46eating them might not be enough, so
- 33:48what else should we do? Therefore,
- 33:51there should be an integration of
- 33:53methods.
- 33:55>> If we use other traditional Thai
- 33:57medicine practices, would it help?
- 34:02Something interesting is the practice
- 34:04of massage. There is Thai massage that
- 34:10helps in relaxing the head and the nape
- 34:12of the neck area. Or the neck and
- 34:17shoulder area, which helps improve
- 34:19blood circulation to nourish the brain.
- 34:25It has been found that massaging the
- 34:27head, nape, or the neck and shoulder
- 34:29area helps blood flow more effectively
- 34:31to the brain. This also helps improve
- 34:36sleep quality. And it can quite
- 34:40effectively reduce the conditions that
- 34:42cause degeneration in dementia patients
- 34:44. This is very suitable for those in
- 34:48the early stages of the condition. or
- 34:51is it a condition cognitive impairment
- 34:53or just a deficiency, not yet reaching
- 34:56dementia, right? This would be very
- 34:58good. Now, for the massage, there are
- 35:02about 4-5 points, okay? You might ask,
- 35:06can we do it ourselves? Actually, I
- 35:09must say we can do it ourselves. We can
- 35:11do it ourselves, initially. Now, I
- 35:15would like to explain which points
- 35:16there are. The important point is in
- 35:20the middle of the crown.
- 35:22>> We call this the 'apex' point, okay? It
- 35:26is located along the line from the left
- 35:28ear to the right ear. It will be right
- 35:31in the center of this area, okay? We
- 35:34will press down gently, okay? And then,
- 35:38hold it there, okay? Count 1, 2, 3, 4,
- 35:435. Then lift up, okay?
- 35:46>> Can I use my thumb, teacher? You can
- 35:48use your thumb or your index finger.
- 35:50Then press down. Uh, move forward. Move
- 35:53forward, two fingers at a time. Two
- 35:55fingers. Two fingers mean placing two
- 35:58fingers and moving down. And arrive at
- 36:00the area between the eyebrows. Do it
- 36:03like this for one round. The second
- 36:07point is to use your palms to hold the
- 36:09sides of the head. The thumbs are at
- 36:12the base of the skull. It will be right
- 36:15at the bump under the base of the skull
- 36:17, okay? Gently press down here. Do both
- 36:19sides at the same time. This will help
- 36:23relax the base of the skull area.
- 36:26Another point is the temple area. Press
- 36:29down onto the temples. Press down
- 36:32gently, straight on, and then rotate;
- 36:36rotate, counting 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 like
- 36:39this. Uh, uh. Another one is where we
- 36:45place our hands like we are resting our
- 36:47chin. Use your palms to cup your cheeks
- 36:52, both sides. The fingers, the index
- 36:56fingers, will be at the jaw area. Then
- 37:00press down gently, press down gently,
- 37:03and count 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 as well. This
- 37:08massage is to stimulate blood
- 37:10circulation to nourish the head area.
- 37:13And to relax. This can help to slow
- 37:17down, uh, the degeneration, or have a
- 37:19positive effect. One benefit that may
- 37:23be observed is that it improves
- 37:25perception and concentration.
- 37:28>> It reduces tension and helps to improve
- 37:31relaxation. Secondly, we might use
- 37:37tools like herbal compresses on the
- 37:39shoulders to promote relaxation; this
- 37:41really helps. Another option is to
- 37:47consult a Thai traditional doctor about
- 37:49treatments like steam therapy. Steam
- 37:53therapy helps to stimulate blood and
- 37:55wind circulation. This improves the
- 37:59flow of blood and energy to the brain
- 38:00and throughout the body. This will help
- 38:03to
- 38:04>> uh, slow down these issues. Another
- 38:08aspect is diet. Thai cuisine emphasizes
- 38:14foods that stimulate the "wind" element
- 38:16. They should have a warming flavor,
- 38:20meaning slightly spicy. For example,
- 38:22Kaeng Liang.
- 38:23>> Hmm.
- 38:24>> These provide a mild warmth, not a
- 38:26strong heat like spicy curries. Or
- 38:30foods with a little pepper added, like
- 38:32rice porridge, which helps stimulate
- 38:34the circulation of the "wind" element.
- 38:39They should also be easy to digest to
- 38:41reduce the activity of the "fire"
- 38:43element. And it helps the digestive
- 38:45fire in the stomach. Another thing to
- 38:48reduce—this must be reduced—is food
- 38:51that is too sweet, salty, or oily.
- 38:54Strong flavors are not recommended.
- 38:56Because these things cause the "fire"
- 38:59element to overwork and affect the
- 39:01brain.
- 39:01>> Hmm.
- 39:02>> The final thing is caring for the mind.
- 39:04>> Yes.
- 39:06>> The brain and the mind go together.
- 39:10Therefore, in the Thai and Buddhist way
- 39:12, there are methods for mental care.
- 39:16And mindfulness, such as listening to
- 39:19soft music. Slow conversation is an
- 39:25activity between the caregiver and the
- 39:27one being cared for, the elderly. It
- 39:32involves speaking slowly and telling
- 39:34stories. We won't pressure them to
- 39:36think or speak out. Instead, we'll
- 39:41gently encourage the elderly to take
- 39:43their time thinking and sharing,
- 39:45perhaps by asking guiding questions to
- 39:47stimulate their brain. This helps in
- 39:52caring for their mental well-being.
- 39:55Activities like praying or practicing
- 39:57meditative chanting. Repeating a prayer
- 40:00, such as chanting "Phut-tho" over and
- 40:03over. This will help the mind relax and
- 40:06become more focused. And it also
- 40:09improves brain function. This affects
- 40:13their mood and quality of life, which
- 40:15in turn improves how the brain
- 40:17functions.
- 40:22>> This can help delay the onset of
- 40:24dementia in the elderly.
- 40:29>> Wow, that was very comprehensive. If
- 40:36our listeners are interested, perhaps
- 40:37some of you are caring for elderly
- 40:39relatives with dementia and would like
- 40:41to consult with traditional Thai
- 40:42medicine practitioners, can you contact
- 40:44Chaophraya Abhaibhubejhr Hospital?
- 40:50>> Yes, you can contact the Abhaibhubejhr
- 40:53Institute of Thai Traditional Medicine
- 40:55at Chaophraya Abhaibhubejhr Hospital,
- 40:57or reach out to the Applied Thai
- 40:59Traditional Medicine Clinic at the
- 41:01Abhaibhubejhr College of Thai
- 41:03Traditional Medicine; both are
- 41:05available.
- 41:06>> I see, and you can contact them through
- 41:09several channels now—by phone or
- 41:10online, right, Doctor?
- 41:13>> Yes, that’s correct, both online and
- 41:16by phone.
- 41:17>> Yes.
- 41:18>> Yes, P'Nuch, if I may, since we've
- 41:20mentioned the college, could I take a
- 41:23moment to promote a course?
- 41:25>> Briefly, please go ahead, Doctor, as we
- 41:27are reaching the end of our time.
- 41:29Please, go ahead.
- 41:30>> Okay, thank you. I would like to inform
- 41:33all our listeners. The Abhaibhubejhr
- 41:36College of Thai Traditional Medicine is
- 41:39currently accepting applications for
- 41:41public health assistants. This course
- 41:44is provided free of charge. Simply put,
- 41:48it's free to study. Especially for
- 41:51those living in the Eastern region.
- 41:53Including Chonburi, Rayong, Chanthaburi
- 41:56, Sa Kaeo, Nakhon Nayok, and
- 41:59Prachinburi. This is an area under the
- 42:01college's supervision. You can contact
- 42:05the Abhaibhubejhr College of Thai
- 42:07Traditional Medicine directly.
- 42:11>> Radio Education Station joins in
- 42:12promoting the good culture of Thai
- 42:15society.
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