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  13. 0:4892 MHz. Today, let’s talk about
  14. 0:51health. Returning to follow up once
  15. 0:54again. Regarding interesting facts
  16. 0:59about health care. Meet our doctor on
  17. 1:05Tam Tawan, in collaboration with the
  18. 1:07Abhaibhubejhr Thai Traditional Medicine
  19. 1:09College. Today, our guest speaker will
  20. 1:13raise a very interesting topic. In
  21. 1:18today’s aging society, specifically
  22. 1:20on this matter. The issue of dementia
  23. 1:27in the elderly. And also about herbs
  24. 1:33and Thai traditional medicine. How can
  25. 1:38they help in managing dementia in the
  26. 1:39elderly? In just a moment, we will
  27. 1:44follow up on this. And right now, our
  28. 1:50guest speaker is ready. We welcome
  29. 1:53Ajarn Pinit. Chinsroi. Head of Medical
  30. 1:56Services. Medicine and Public Health.
  31. 1:59Abhaibhubejhr Thai Traditional Medicine
  32. 2:01College. Hello, Ajarn.
  33. 2:04>> Hello, and hello to all our listeners
  34. 2:06as well.
  35. 2:09>> Ajarn, today we return to talk about a
  36. 2:11very interesting topic: managing
  37. 2:13dementia in the elderly with herbs and
  38. 2:15Thai traditional medicine. Why did you
  39. 2:21choose this topic for our discussion?
  40. 2:24>> I must explain to Khun Nut and the
  41. 2:25listeners like this. About this topic.
  42. 2:32We often think that when we grow old,
  43. 2:34memory decline is normal, which is
  44. 2:36partially true. However, there is a
  45. 2:42condition we call dementia, which
  46. 2:44sometimes occurs faster and more
  47. 2:46severely than normal. This is a concern
  48. 2:52in caring for the elderly, and we often
  49. 2:54see it, especially in those aged 65 and
  50. 2:57up; we often find symptoms of dementia.
  51. 3:04Sometimes we might not call it dementia
  52. 3:06, but rather cognitive or intellectual
  53. 3:08impairment. In English, we call this
  54. 3:13mild cognitive impairment. It might not
  55. 3:16have reached the stage of Alzheimer's
  56. 3:18disease or dementia yet. It is a
  57. 3:21condition that may occur related to the
  58. 3:23degeneration of the brain. There may be
  59. 3:27various abnormalities that occur, such
  60. 3:29as with memory. Especially short-term
  61. 3:32memory, which may not be very good or
  62. 3:34you may forget things quickly. There
  63. 3:39may be issues with thinking and
  64. 3:41decision-making that aren't as sharp,
  65. 3:43or a tendency to make mistakes. There
  66. 3:48might be changes in language use or
  67. 3:50communication that sound odd or unclear
  68. 3:52compared to how they used to be. And
  69. 3:55also issues with behavior, emotions,
  70. 3:58and daily life routines. This is a
  71. 4:01condition that is likely to occur in
  72. 4:03the elderly. It happens quite
  73. 4:06frequently in older adults. 65 and
  74. 4:08older. So it is an interesting topic on
  75. 4:11how we should care for the elderly. Or
  76. 4:16how to prevent it from progressing or
  77. 4:18becoming more severe.
  78. 4:24>> Yes, in the past, I admit that when
  79. 4:26talking about dementia, people felt it
  80. 4:28was something that just happens to the
  81. 4:30elderly, so some see it as normal. But
  82. 4:43I had a chance to speak with a brain
  83. 4:45expert, and they said that personally,
  84. 4:47they fear dementia even more than
  85. 4:48cancer. Because dementia can happen
  86. 5:00without the person even knowing, or it
  87. 5:02may develop gradually. But with cancer,
  88. 5:09at least if you get checked, you can
  89. 5:11find out if it's there, what stage it
  90. 5:12is, and what treatment to follow. But
  91. 5:19from what we see, patients with
  92. 5:21dementia or Alzheimer's are a group
  93. 5:22that truly deserves a lot of sympathy.
  94. 5:28>> Yes, that's right, dementia is a
  95. 5:30condition that can develop quite
  96. 5:32gradually. And we understand that such
  97. 5:36a condition is not a normal occurrence,
  98. 5:38as Nuch and the professor have
  99. 5:39mentioned. Actually, an interesting
  100. 5:44point is that it will continue to
  101. 5:46progress until it affects daily life.
  102. 5:49>> Hmm.
  103. 5:50>> Yes. Whenever it affects daily life, it
  104. 5:53creates many problems regarding the
  105. 5:55care of the elderly. Both for the
  106. 5:58elderly themselves and the caregivers.
  107. 6:00Therefore, if we understand, let's
  108. 6:02first understand that, okay, it may be
  109. 6:05a change that comes with age. But what
  110. 6:07if we can slow it down? Or if we can
  111. 6:09prevent it from progressing or becoming
  112. 6:11severe enough to affect daily life?
  113. 6:14This, will be something that improves
  114. 6:16the quality of life for the elderly, as
  115. 6:18well as for the caregivers.
  116. 6:20>> Yes, let's start with this then,
  117. 6:22Professor. Regarding the medical
  118. 6:26perspective on patients with dementia
  119. 6:28in the elderly. From a modern medical
  120. 6:33perspective, I would like you to
  121. 6:35compare modern medicine with Thai
  122. 6:36traditional medicine. How are the
  123. 6:41perspectives on dementia in the elderly
  124. 6:43similar or different, Professor?
  125. 6:46>> Yes, as I have already mentioned.
  126. 6:51Dementia is a condition where there is
  127. 6:53a decline or deterioration in the
  128. 6:54function of the brain or the related
  129. 6:56nervous system. There will be symptoms
  130. 7:01such as short-term memory that may not
  131. 7:03be very good. Remembering and then
  132. 7:05forgetting. And next would be long-term
  133. 7:08memory, such as memories from the past.
  134. 7:11One might forget things, like "Have I
  135. 7:13been here before?" or "Where was my old
  136. 7:15house?", something like that. The
  137. 7:17ability to think, make decisions, and
  138. 7:19plan will be relatively diminished.
  139. 7:22>> Hmm, and there are also mood changes,
  140. 7:24as I mentioned, we usually find this in
  141. 7:27the elderly aged 65 and up.
  142. 7:29>> Yes.
  143. 7:29>> Yes. Now, let's see why this happens in
  144. 7:33modern medicine. Currently, they have
  145. 7:37found that there are physiological
  146. 7:39mechanisms, and many pathological
  147. 7:41mechanisms that lead to dementia. Such
  148. 7:45as the degeneration of neurons. Which
  149. 7:48is something that can happen with age.
  150. 7:50Neurons, they will undergo degeneration
  151. 7:52. Now, the limitation of these cells is
  152. 7:55unlike other cells. That is, once they
  153. 7:57die, they do not regenerate. Therefore,
  154. 8:00they will gradually deteriorate, step
  155. 8:02by step.
  156. 8:03>> So, if I may briefly digress for a
  157. 8:05moment. In childhood, during the age
  158. 8:09range of 1-5 years, this is a period
  159. 8:11when nerve cells are generated.
  160. 8:14Therefore, we encourage children to
  161. 8:16sleep to stimulate the creation of
  162. 8:18nerve cells. Stimulating hormones
  163. 8:21allows these nerve cells to develop
  164. 8:23fully. Therefore, regarding function in
  165. 8:29later life or during old age, if nerve
  166. 8:31cells are strong and plentiful, when
  167. 8:33deterioration occurs, there are still
  168. 8:35other nerve cells that can maintain the
  169. 8:37same functions. So, one must understand
  170. 8:43that the deterioration of nerve cells
  171. 8:45is normal. But we can take care of them
  172. 8:48from the very beginning.
  173. 8:50>> The second point is the abnormal
  174. 8:52function of certain proteins in the
  175. 8:54brain, like the protein called amyloid.
  176. 8:59Which causes plaques or abnormalities
  177. 9:01in the brain tissue. This leads to
  178. 9:07problems by disrupting nerve cell
  179. 9:08signaling or brain function. The next
  180. 9:13condition is reduced blood flow to the
  181. 9:15brain.
  182. 9:16>> Yes.
  183. 9:20>> This is commonly found in the elderly
  184. 9:22because as we age, or the blood vessels
  185. 9:24in the elderly become less elastic.
  186. 9:30They become stiffer and harder. Or they
  187. 9:33are more prone to blockages. This
  188. 9:37causes the brain tissue to suffer from
  189. 9:39a lack of oxygen. And parts of the
  190. 9:42brain tissue may eventually die. These
  191. 9:45people, especially those with chronic
  192. 9:47diseases, need to be careful, such as
  193. 9:49those with diabetes, hypertension, and
  194. 9:52high cholesterol.
  195. 9:53>> This is something to be very careful
  196. 9:55about. Another condition is what we
  197. 10:01call chronic inflammation or a state of
  198. 10:04high oxidative stress. These come from
  199. 10:12our behavior and the food that we eat.
  200. 10:17Some foods, when consumed, stimulate
  201. 10:19the production of free radicals, or
  202. 10:22some contain them already, such as
  203. 10:24burnt grilled foods.
  204. 10:27>> Eating these things will cause the
  205. 10:29level of free radicals in the body to
  206. 10:31rise. When free radicals in the body
  207. 10:35are high, they accumulate in the vital
  208. 10:38tissues of various organs. And do you
  209. 10:42know where they like to be? They like
  210. 10:45to be in tissues that use high amounts
  211. 10:46of oxygen.
  212. 10:49>> So, if we look at the body, there are
  213. 10:51only a few organs with tissues that use
  214. 10:54high amounts of oxygen, and the brain
  215. 10:56uses the most oxygen in the body.
  216. 11:01>> Therefore, the brain is their primary
  217. 11:03target, and these four mechanisms lead
  218. 11:05to a decline in brain function or the
  219. 11:08degeneration of the brain or nervous
  220. 11:10system.
  221. 11:12>> Yes.
  222. 11:14>> Now, if we look at the causes, as I
  223. 11:16mentioned, there are many. For example,
  224. 11:20degeneration resulting from diseases or
  225. 11:23issues related to cerebrovascular
  226. 11:25disease. This is associated with other
  227. 11:29chronic diseases like diabetes,
  228. 11:31hypertension, and high blood
  229. 11:33cholesterol. Nervous system infections,
  230. 11:38such as a history of meningitis. This
  231. 11:41may increase the chances of these
  232. 11:43problems occurring faster than normal.
  233. 11:47Or people with malnutrition or nutrient
  234. 11:50deficiencies, especially vitamin B12.
  235. 11:55These can cause significant issues with
  236. 11:57the brain and nervous system. Or
  237. 12:02abnormal function of certain endocrine
  238. 12:04systems, such as the thyroid. Or the
  239. 12:11long-term use of certain medications,
  240. 12:13such as those used for depression,
  241. 12:15which can affect the brain. In addition
  242. 12:22, certain brain injuries may also cause
  243. 12:25these problems or increase the risk of
  244. 12:27dementia compared to normal people. For
  245. 12:32example, oxygen deprivation. Seizures
  246. 12:36or having low blood sugar for a long
  247. 12:38and continuous period of time. This
  248. 12:43oxygen deprivation condition is also
  249. 12:45linked to, um, sleep apnea as well.
  250. 12:50Because when we sleep, in the elderly
  251. 12:52or in very obese people, temporary
  252. 12:54breathing pauses can occur, which
  253. 12:56causes oxygen levels in the blood to
  254. 12:59drop. Therefore, this results in the
  255. 13:02brain being deprived of oxygen and
  256. 13:04increases the occurrence of these
  257. 13:06conditions. These are the causes and
  258. 13:09mechanisms from the perspective of
  259. 13:11modern medicine.
  260. 13:12>> Yes.
  261. 13:12>> Now, if we look at it......
  262. 13:14>> from the perspective of Thai
  263. 13:15traditional medicine, then? Ah, from
  264. 13:17the Thai traditional perspective, then.
  265. 13:20From the Thai medicine point of view,
  266. 13:22it is believed that memory conditions
  267. 13:24......these types of memory......are
  268. 13:26related to the wind element. In Thai
  269. 13:30medicine, we have a specific group of
  270. 13:32wind. Which we call Sukhumavata.
  271. 13:36Sukhumavata is a subtle wind that flows
  272. 13:38through small vessels and small
  273. 13:40channels. We believe that for the brain
  274. 13:44......the wind that controls these
  275. 13:46functions is what we call Sukhumavata.
  276. 13:48>> Yes.
  277. 13:51>> So, if Sukhumavata does not function
  278. 13:53well......it may cause cognitive
  279. 13:55processes to slow down. Confusion. Or
  280. 14:01poor memory. Yes, poor memory.
  281. 14:04Forgetfulness. Yes. Next is the matter
  282. 14:08of the fire element. The fire element
  283. 14:11is associated with thought. Processing
  284. 14:13various information. Yes. If the fire
  285. 14:17element, which relates to the brain's
  286. 14:19cognitive function, decreases......it
  287. 14:21will cause thinking......analysis......
  288. 14:23and discrimination......to become
  289. 14:25slower, which then impacts
  290. 14:27decision-making. The last one is the
  291. 14:31water element. If the water element
  292. 14:34becomes aggravated......it will cause
  293. 14:36thoughts to slow down. Causing
  294. 14:40drowsiness. Or sometimes a feeling of
  295. 14:42heaviness in the head, wanting only to
  296. 14:45sleep and not wanting to engage in
  297. 14:46other activities. Therefore, the key
  298. 14:50concept in caring for dementia from the
  299. 14:52Thai traditional medicine perspective
  300. 14:54is that, first, blood and wind
  301. 14:56circulation must be good.
  302. 15:00>> Blood must be healthy enough to nourish
  303. 15:02the brain, supported by a digestive
  304. 15:04fire that is fully functional—both in
  305. 15:06terms of cognition and the digestion of
  306. 15:08nutrients for nourishment. This is a
  307. 15:11fundamental principle in Thai
  308. 15:13traditional medicine.
  309. 15:18>> Well, it's a perspective that might be
  310. 15:20quite different, but from the
  311. 15:21standpoint of Thai traditional medicine
  312. 15:23, I find it to be an interesting angle,
  313. 15:25Professor. Professor? It seems like
  314. 15:35we've lost the signal from our speaker,
  315. 15:36hasn't it?
  316. 15:37>> Oh.
  317. 15:37>> Yes, I can hear you now. I hear you.
  318. 15:39There seemed to be a bit of
  319. 15:41interference earlier.
  320. 15:42>> Oh, my apologies. We have now seen
  321. 15:45perspectives from both modern medicine
  322. 15:47and Thai traditional medicine. Now,
  323. 15:50regarding our current society,
  324. 15:52Professor, which is also an aging
  325. 15:54society. I personally have several
  326. 15:56elderly people in my own home,
  327. 15:58Professor. And we also have fans of our
  328. 16:02program who have called in to say that
  329. 16:03they have to take care of elderly
  330. 16:05family members who are starting to have
  331. 16:06problems with dementia. Some may only
  332. 16:10be in the early stages. Others say it
  333. 16:14is quite advanced, and there might even
  334. 16:16be a bedridden condition involved as
  335. 16:18well. Given this, I would like to ask
  336. 16:21for your advice on the matter. Because
  337. 16:30we would like to have some options; are
  338. 16:32there any Thai herbs or treatments from
  339. 16:33Thai traditional medicine that you
  340. 16:35think could help in caring for the
  341. 16:37elderly living with dementia?
  342. 16:45>> Okay, there are several herbs that are
  343. 16:47quite interesting. But before we get to
  344. 16:52the herbs, I would first like to
  345. 16:54discuss how we actually evaluate the
  346. 16:56state of dementia. There are various
  347. 17:01assessment tools that are currently in
  348. 17:03use. Through these, a doctor can
  349. 17:10evaluate whether, based on the
  350. 17:11assessment scores, the results fall
  351. 17:13below the threshold and determine the
  352. 17:15level of cognitive decline. Because it
  353. 17:24ranges from mild impairment to dementia
  354. 17:26, or whether it is at a moderate or
  355. 17:28severe stage of dementia. This is very
  356. 17:34necessary. First and foremost, I would
  357. 17:37recommend that you should see a doctor.
  358. 17:42To assess the stage of dementia and
  359. 17:44determine which phase it is in. So that
  360. 17:48we can plan the correct treatment. Now,
  361. 17:51if we want to observe ourselves, how
  362. 17:53can we do that? Or how can we observe
  363. 17:57the elderly at home?
  364. 18:00>> We have some simple ways to measure
  365. 18:02this. That is, 1. We look at the basics
  366. 18:05of daily routines. For example, bathing
  367. 18:08. Dressing. Uh. Um. Eating. Using the
  368. 18:14toilet. Or doing other daily life
  369. 18:18activities to see if there are any
  370. 18:20abnormalities. If these basic
  371. 18:24activities show no abnormalities, uh,
  372. 18:26it means there likely isn't a problem
  373. 18:28yet. Now, we can look deeper into more
  374. 18:34complex activities or daily routines,
  375. 18:37such as using a phone—do they
  376. 18:39remember how to dial? Or using
  377. 18:46applications they’ve used before,
  378. 18:48like the Line app—how to make a call
  379. 18:51or a video call. Managing finances,
  380. 18:56such as how they handle their spending.
  381. 19:00Do they still keep a record of their
  382. 19:01expenses as usual? How do they organize
  383. 19:04or manage their money? Taking care of
  384. 19:07oneself regarding medication. For
  385. 19:10example, elderly people usually have to
  386. 19:12take regular medication, right?
  387. 19:14>> Yes.
  388. 19:16>> Sometimes, if it is an elderly person
  389. 19:18who does not have cognitive issues, we
  390. 19:20recommend that the elderly organize
  391. 19:22their own medication. The reason for
  392. 19:26letting them organize their own meds is
  393. 19:28so they can train their memory,
  394. 19:30remembering they have to take this pill
  395. 19:32, that pill, and so on. It is a form of
  396. 19:34brain exercise. However, the caregiver
  397. 19:37still needs to double-check. Check
  398. 19:39again in case there are any mistakes.
  399. 19:43Or in terms of cooking, check if the
  400. 19:45taste has changed. Have the cooking
  401. 19:48steps changed? Or have they forgotten
  402. 19:51to turn off appliances, like forgetting
  403. 19:53to turn off the gas, and so on?
  404. 19:55>> We call this Instrumental ADL. It
  405. 19:59refers to complex activities. Now, in
  406. 20:03terms of assessment, basic daily
  407. 20:05activities are often still normal. But
  408. 20:09activities that are more complex, they
  409. 20:11often have problems. For instance,
  410. 20:15forgetting how to make a phone call or
  411. 20:17which button to press.
  412. 20:19>> Forgetting how to manage their money,
  413. 20:21or
  414. 20:22>> taking medication incorrectly, or
  415. 20:25>> when cooking, they can still do it, but
  416. 20:30>> they forget to turn off the stove or
  417. 20:32forget to add ingredients; this shows
  418. 20:34that their instrumental activities are
  419. 20:36becoming impaired, which allows us to
  420. 20:39assess that if it is dementia, it is
  421. 20:41likely in the early stage.
  422. 20:44>> Mm.
  423. 20:45>> Yes.
  424. 20:52>> We can prevent it from progressing to
  425. 20:54the moderate and severe stages, but if
  426. 20:56the basic daily activities are already
  427. 20:58impaired, such as when bathing,
  428. 21:06>> Mm.
  429. 21:07>> forgetting to use soap, or having
  430. 21:09trouble dressing or eating. For example
  431. 21:12, forgetting whether they have already
  432. 21:14eaten or not. This represents a loss of
  433. 21:18function in basic daily living
  434. 21:20activities. We would assess that the
  435. 21:24dementia is likely in the moderate or
  436. 21:26severe stage.
  437. 21:28>> Yes.
  438. 21:29>> It depends on those basic activities.
  439. 21:33In this case, it is necessary to treat
  440. 21:35it by using other medications as well.
  441. 21:37It requires treatment with additional
  442. 21:39medications. Now, speaking of herbs,
  443. 21:43there are several herbs that we use. An
  444. 21:49herb that is widely used and shows good
  445. 21:51potential is turmeric.
  446. 21:55>> Turmeric?
  447. 21:56>> Yes, the turmeric that we use, the one
  448. 21:59we are working with. Because turmeric
  449. 22:03has prominent properties, namely its
  450. 22:05anti-inflammatory effects, antioxidant
  451. 22:07properties, and its ability to protect
  452. 22:10nerve cells. Turmeric can help reduce
  453. 22:17inflammation in the brain. Studies in
  454. 22:24mice induced with Alzheimer's found
  455. 22:26that the key compound, curcumin, can
  456. 22:29inhibit inflammatory substances. This
  457. 22:36delays neuronal cell death, which helps
  458. 22:38slow down or prolong the onset of
  459. 22:40Alzheimer's in mice. It can reduce
  460. 22:47oxidative stress, which occurs when
  461. 22:49there are high levels of free radicals
  462. 22:51in the body.
  463. 22:55>> Turmeric has quite a strong effect in
  464. 22:57this regard. As a result, it
  465. 23:00significantly reduces damage to the
  466. 23:02nerve cells. It also inhibits the
  467. 23:07accumulation of amyloid plaques. This
  468. 23:12is directly related to Alzheimer's
  469. 23:14disease.
  470. 23:17>> Uh.
  471. 23:21>> An important and interesting point
  472. 23:23rarely found elsewhere is that turmeric
  473. 23:25can increase certain proteins that
  474. 23:26repair the nervous system.
  475. 23:31>> Yes, repairing the nervous system; this
  476. 23:34is a key highlight of turmeric.
  477. 23:38>> Another advantage of turmeric is that
  478. 23:40when it comes to substances acting on
  479. 23:42the brain. The brain has a protective
  480. 23:46membrane called the blood-brain barrier
  481. 23:48. This barrier selectively allows
  482. 23:53substances to enter the brain, as it is
  483. 23:55a vital organ. The advantage of
  484. 24:00turmeric is that its active compound,
  485. 24:02curcumin, can penetrate the blood-brain
  486. 24:05barrier well.
  487. 24:12>> Therefore, it can act directly on the
  488. 24:14brain, giving it an advantage over
  489. 24:16other herbs, though there are still
  490. 24:18some limitations.
  491. 24:25>> The substances from turmeric have
  492. 24:27somewhat low absorption from the
  493. 24:29digestive system. However, it has been
  494. 24:37found that consuming turmeric along
  495. 24:39with black pepper increases its
  496. 24:41absorption rate by 20 times. So, taking
  497. 24:49turmeric with black pepper will improve
  498. 24:51its absorption. This helps more of the
  499. 24:55substance enter the body. When more of
  500. 25:00the substance gets into the body, it
  501. 25:02helps improve the effects of protecting
  502. 25:04the brain. Now, if we connect this to
  503. 25:11traditional Thai medicine, we find that
  504. 25:13its anti-inflammatory property helps
  505. 25:15reduce the "fire element," meaning it
  506. 25:17reduces inflammation. As for nourishing
  507. 25:23the blood or the nervous system, that
  508. 25:25relates to the effect on the "wind
  509. 25:27element." So, you can see that it helps
  510. 25:31quite well with both the wind and fire
  511. 25:33elements. Now, the question is, what
  512. 25:38dosage is appropriate? I recommend
  513. 25:44starting with a dosage of about 500
  514. 25:46milligrams per day. 500 milligrams is
  515. 25:51roughly 1 to 2 capsules. Because some
  516. 25:56are about 350 per capsule, or around
  517. 25:58500, you might need to check the label.
  518. 26:03If you're starting out, I suggest
  519. 26:05taking about 500, then gradually
  520. 26:07increasing the dose to about 1,000 per
  521. 26:09day.
  522. 26:11>> Hmm.
  523. 26:11>> Yes, that would be...
  524. 26:14>> One capsule in the morning and one in
  525. 26:15the evening. We use a low dose because
  526. 26:22the key principle of using herbs for
  527. 26:24prevention is to use a low dose, taken
  528. 26:26consistently, over a long period.
  529. 26:34>> Research suggesting that turmeric is
  530. 26:36effective for prevention indicates it
  531. 26:38may be used from 8 weeks. 8 weeks to 24
  532. 26:44weeks. Now, a concern mentioned in the
  533. 26:49research is the absorption capability.
  534. 26:53As we learned earlier, taking it with
  535. 26:55black pepper helps increase absorption.
  536. 26:59The research suggests about 800
  537. 27:01milligrams. But if we take it with
  538. 27:05black pepper, we might be able to
  539. 27:07reduce it to about 500 milligrams.
  540. 27:11Because it increases absorption.
  541. 27:14>> Oh, I see.
  542. 27:15>> Professor, what about fresh turmeric?
  543. 27:19>> Ah, if it's in the form of food.
  544. 27:22>> Yes.
  545. 27:23>> We...We can consume it in the form of
  546. 27:25food as well. Yes. Because in the form
  547. 27:30of food...We already have foods that
  548. 27:32contain turmeric, right? in many
  549. 27:37different forms. For example, whether
  550. 27:39it's curry or whatever, soups,
  551. 27:41stir-fries, or curries, right? There
  552. 27:43are many options. Therefore, we can
  553. 27:45consume it in the form of food. It's
  554. 27:54found that if we consume about, uh, the
  555. 27:56powder, 5-10 grams, we can obtain
  556. 27:58extracts containing active ingredients
  557. 28:01of about 20-50 milligrams. This can
  558. 28:11also help in delaying brain
  559. 28:12degeneration as well.
  560. 28:15>> Yes, that's right. Now, for a small tip
  561. 28:22: Since turmeric is fat-soluble, if we
  562. 28:25eat food that contains turmeric along
  563. 28:27with fats, such as coconut milk, or if
  564. 28:29it's stir-fried or uses oil, it will
  565. 28:32help extract more of the active
  566. 28:34compounds. And if you add a little
  567. 28:41black pepper to that food, it will
  568. 28:43increase the absorption of curcumin
  569. 28:45significantly.
  570. 28:49>> Yes, exactly, so we can choose these
  571. 28:52types of food menus.
  572. 28:55>> Now, I would like to add a little more
  573. 28:57that
  574. 28:59>> it doesn't just have benefits, there
  575. 29:01are also precautions when using
  576. 29:03turmeric. For those taking medication,
  577. 29:09especially drugs related to blood
  578. 29:11thinning, such as warfarin, or aspirin,
  579. 29:13there's a chance it could enhance the
  580. 29:16drug's effect. Therefore, this requires
  581. 29:21caution. The precautions are: 1. Don't
  582. 29:24consume too much. 2. Don't consume it
  583. 29:27for too long. For instance, take it for
  584. 29:292 months and stop for 1 month,
  585. 29:31something like that. Or consume in
  586. 29:33amounts not exceeding 1,000 milligrams
  587. 29:35per day. This is a reasonably
  588. 29:38appropriate dosage. Or if you need to
  589. 29:44have surgery, or are undergoing surgery
  590. 29:47, it is recommended to stop taking
  591. 29:49turmeric for at least 2 weeks. Because
  592. 29:55it may cause blood to clot slowly, or
  593. 29:57slow down bleeding.
  594. 30:02>> Additionally, there may be some
  595. 30:04conditions, such as bile duct
  596. 30:05obstruction or gallstones, where we do
  597. 30:07not recommend using turmeric.
  598. 30:11>> Yes, that is a point to note.
  599. 30:12>> Okay, now let's move on to the second
  600. 30:14item.
  601. 30:14>> Yes.
  602. 30:16>> The second one is something you might
  603. 30:18be familiar with, which is Gotu Kola.
  604. 30:22Gotu Kola has properties that can help
  605. 30:24with enhancing memory. It also has
  606. 30:27anti-inflammatory properties as well. A
  607. 30:30key point about Gotu Kola, similar to
  608. 30:32turmeric, is this specific strength of
  609. 30:34it. That is increasing a special
  610. 30:38protein in the brain. And it also
  611. 30:42increases the flexibility of brain
  612. 30:44function. Meaning, even if our brain is
  613. 30:50damaged, it can adapt by using other
  614. 30:52neurons to perform functions similar to
  615. 30:54before. Gotu Kola can stimulate this
  616. 31:03process better than other herbs when
  617. 31:05tested in laboratory animals.
  618. 31:08>> Yes.
  619. 31:11>> It is very suitable for groups starting
  620. 31:13to experience cognitive decline or
  621. 31:15impaired brain function. It is very
  622. 31:20suitable because it helps to slow it
  623. 31:22down significantly. It helps slow it
  624. 31:24down for a long time. Now, regarding
  625. 31:30the use of Gotu Kola, as mentioned, it
  626. 31:33can be used as a medicine or as a
  627. 31:35dietary supplement. But for self-care,
  628. 31:44if eating it as a fresh vegetable, you
  629. 31:47would use about 2-6 grams per day. And
  630. 31:53consume it about 1-3 times a day, for
  631. 31:56example, by drinking Gotu Kola juice.
  632. 31:59But it must be fresh-pressed Gotu Kola
  633. 32:02juice. You can drink about 2 glasses a
  634. 32:04day. One glass in the morning and one
  635. 32:06in the evening. Or you can take Gotu
  636. 32:08Kola and make it into tea. Dry it and
  637. 32:11then brew it as tea to drink. This
  638. 32:14helps with increasing the active
  639. 32:16compounds. Because we found that the
  640. 32:20active ingredients are water-soluble.
  641. 32:23>> For Gotu Kola, it can be used in the
  642. 32:25form of herbal medicine or tea infusion
  643. 32:27, unlike turmeric. Turmeric is
  644. 32:31oil-soluble, so it's best prepared in
  645. 32:33dishes like stir-fries or curries with
  646. 32:36coconut milk for better absorption.
  647. 32:39>> Mm.
  648. 32:44>> As for the duration, it’s quite
  649. 32:46similar, about 8-12 weeks to help
  650. 32:48reduce or slow down dementia, or to
  651. 32:50improve certain brain functions like
  652. 32:52memory.
  653. 32:58>> Does that mean we should stop using it
  654. 33:00after 8-12 weeks, Professor?
  655. 33:03>> Well, research shows that results are
  656. 33:05seen within 8-12 weeks. So, when we use
  657. 33:08it, we might use it for about 8 weeks,
  658. 33:11or roughly 2 months, and then stop. As
  659. 33:14I mentioned, using anything for too
  660. 33:16long will inevitably affect the body.
  661. 33:22Therefore, we should use it for a
  662. 33:24period, along with other activities
  663. 33:26like exercise or certain physical
  664. 33:28movements, which will help improve
  665. 33:30brain function and slow down brain
  666. 33:32degeneration. Now, we previously talked
  667. 33:39about the main herbs that are used as
  668. 33:41food. Next, I would like to move on to
  669. 33:44other processes. As we said, just
  670. 33:46eating them might not be enough, so
  671. 33:48what else should we do? Therefore,
  672. 33:51there should be an integration of
  673. 33:53methods.
  674. 33:55>> If we use other traditional Thai
  675. 33:57medicine practices, would it help?
  676. 34:02Something interesting is the practice
  677. 34:04of massage. There is Thai massage that
  678. 34:10helps in relaxing the head and the nape
  679. 34:12of the neck area. Or the neck and
  680. 34:17shoulder area, which helps improve
  681. 34:19blood circulation to nourish the brain.
  682. 34:25It has been found that massaging the
  683. 34:27head, nape, or the neck and shoulder
  684. 34:29area helps blood flow more effectively
  685. 34:31to the brain. This also helps improve
  686. 34:36sleep quality. And it can quite
  687. 34:40effectively reduce the conditions that
  688. 34:42cause degeneration in dementia patients
  689. 34:44. This is very suitable for those in
  690. 34:48the early stages of the condition. or
  691. 34:51is it a condition cognitive impairment
  692. 34:53or just a deficiency, not yet reaching
  693. 34:56dementia, right? This would be very
  694. 34:58good. Now, for the massage, there are
  695. 35:02about 4-5 points, okay? You might ask,
  696. 35:06can we do it ourselves? Actually, I
  697. 35:09must say we can do it ourselves. We can
  698. 35:11do it ourselves, initially. Now, I
  699. 35:15would like to explain which points
  700. 35:16there are. The important point is in
  701. 35:20the middle of the crown.
  702. 35:22>> We call this the 'apex' point, okay? It
  703. 35:26is located along the line from the left
  704. 35:28ear to the right ear. It will be right
  705. 35:31in the center of this area, okay? We
  706. 35:34will press down gently, okay? And then,
  707. 35:38hold it there, okay? Count 1, 2, 3, 4,
  708. 35:435. Then lift up, okay?
  709. 35:46>> Can I use my thumb, teacher? You can
  710. 35:48use your thumb or your index finger.
  711. 35:50Then press down. Uh, move forward. Move
  712. 35:53forward, two fingers at a time. Two
  713. 35:55fingers. Two fingers mean placing two
  714. 35:58fingers and moving down. And arrive at
  715. 36:00the area between the eyebrows. Do it
  716. 36:03like this for one round. The second
  717. 36:07point is to use your palms to hold the
  718. 36:09sides of the head. The thumbs are at
  719. 36:12the base of the skull. It will be right
  720. 36:15at the bump under the base of the skull
  721. 36:17, okay? Gently press down here. Do both
  722. 36:19sides at the same time. This will help
  723. 36:23relax the base of the skull area.
  724. 36:26Another point is the temple area. Press
  725. 36:29down onto the temples. Press down
  726. 36:32gently, straight on, and then rotate;
  727. 36:36rotate, counting 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 like
  728. 36:39this. Uh, uh. Another one is where we
  729. 36:45place our hands like we are resting our
  730. 36:47chin. Use your palms to cup your cheeks
  731. 36:52, both sides. The fingers, the index
  732. 36:56fingers, will be at the jaw area. Then
  733. 37:00press down gently, press down gently,
  734. 37:03and count 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 as well. This
  735. 37:08massage is to stimulate blood
  736. 37:10circulation to nourish the head area.
  737. 37:13And to relax. This can help to slow
  738. 37:17down, uh, the degeneration, or have a
  739. 37:19positive effect. One benefit that may
  740. 37:23be observed is that it improves
  741. 37:25perception and concentration.
  742. 37:28>> It reduces tension and helps to improve
  743. 37:31relaxation. Secondly, we might use
  744. 37:37tools like herbal compresses on the
  745. 37:39shoulders to promote relaxation; this
  746. 37:41really helps. Another option is to
  747. 37:47consult a Thai traditional doctor about
  748. 37:49treatments like steam therapy. Steam
  749. 37:53therapy helps to stimulate blood and
  750. 37:55wind circulation. This improves the
  751. 37:59flow of blood and energy to the brain
  752. 38:00and throughout the body. This will help
  753. 38:03to
  754. 38:04>> uh, slow down these issues. Another
  755. 38:08aspect is diet. Thai cuisine emphasizes
  756. 38:14foods that stimulate the "wind" element
  757. 38:16. They should have a warming flavor,
  758. 38:20meaning slightly spicy. For example,
  759. 38:22Kaeng Liang.
  760. 38:23>> Hmm.
  761. 38:24>> These provide a mild warmth, not a
  762. 38:26strong heat like spicy curries. Or
  763. 38:30foods with a little pepper added, like
  764. 38:32rice porridge, which helps stimulate
  765. 38:34the circulation of the "wind" element.
  766. 38:39They should also be easy to digest to
  767. 38:41reduce the activity of the "fire"
  768. 38:43element. And it helps the digestive
  769. 38:45fire in the stomach. Another thing to
  770. 38:48reduce—this must be reduced—is food
  771. 38:51that is too sweet, salty, or oily.
  772. 38:54Strong flavors are not recommended.
  773. 38:56Because these things cause the "fire"
  774. 38:59element to overwork and affect the
  775. 39:01brain.
  776. 39:01>> Hmm.
  777. 39:02>> The final thing is caring for the mind.
  778. 39:04>> Yes.
  779. 39:06>> The brain and the mind go together.
  780. 39:10Therefore, in the Thai and Buddhist way
  781. 39:12, there are methods for mental care.
  782. 39:16And mindfulness, such as listening to
  783. 39:19soft music. Slow conversation is an
  784. 39:25activity between the caregiver and the
  785. 39:27one being cared for, the elderly. It
  786. 39:32involves speaking slowly and telling
  787. 39:34stories. We won't pressure them to
  788. 39:36think or speak out. Instead, we'll
  789. 39:41gently encourage the elderly to take
  790. 39:43their time thinking and sharing,
  791. 39:45perhaps by asking guiding questions to
  792. 39:47stimulate their brain. This helps in
  793. 39:52caring for their mental well-being.
  794. 39:55Activities like praying or practicing
  795. 39:57meditative chanting. Repeating a prayer
  796. 40:00, such as chanting "Phut-tho" over and
  797. 40:03over. This will help the mind relax and
  798. 40:06become more focused. And it also
  799. 40:09improves brain function. This affects
  800. 40:13their mood and quality of life, which
  801. 40:15in turn improves how the brain
  802. 40:17functions.
  803. 40:22>> This can help delay the onset of
  804. 40:24dementia in the elderly.
  805. 40:29>> Wow, that was very comprehensive. If
  806. 40:36our listeners are interested, perhaps
  807. 40:37some of you are caring for elderly
  808. 40:39relatives with dementia and would like
  809. 40:41to consult with traditional Thai
  810. 40:42medicine practitioners, can you contact
  811. 40:44Chaophraya Abhaibhubejhr Hospital?
  812. 40:50>> Yes, you can contact the Abhaibhubejhr
  813. 40:53Institute of Thai Traditional Medicine
  814. 40:55at Chaophraya Abhaibhubejhr Hospital,
  815. 40:57or reach out to the Applied Thai
  816. 40:59Traditional Medicine Clinic at the
  817. 41:01Abhaibhubejhr College of Thai
  818. 41:03Traditional Medicine; both are
  819. 41:05available.
  820. 41:06>> I see, and you can contact them through
  821. 41:09several channels now—by phone or
  822. 41:10online, right, Doctor?
  823. 41:13>> Yes, that’s correct, both online and
  824. 41:16by phone.
  825. 41:17>> Yes.
  826. 41:18>> Yes, P'Nuch, if I may, since we've
  827. 41:20mentioned the college, could I take a
  828. 41:23moment to promote a course?
  829. 41:25>> Briefly, please go ahead, Doctor, as we
  830. 41:27are reaching the end of our time.
  831. 41:29Please, go ahead.
  832. 41:30>> Okay, thank you. I would like to inform
  833. 41:33all our listeners. The Abhaibhubejhr
  834. 41:36College of Thai Traditional Medicine is
  835. 41:39currently accepting applications for
  836. 41:41public health assistants. This course
  837. 41:44is provided free of charge. Simply put,
  838. 41:48it's free to study. Especially for
  839. 41:51those living in the Eastern region.
  840. 41:53Including Chonburi, Rayong, Chanthaburi
  841. 41:56, Sa Kaeo, Nakhon Nayok, and
  842. 41:59Prachinburi. This is an area under the
  843. 42:01college's supervision. You can contact
  844. 42:05the Abhaibhubejhr College of Thai
  845. 42:07Traditional Medicine directly.
  846. 42:11>> Radio Education Station joins in
  847. 42:12promoting the good culture of Thai
  848. 42:15society.

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