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0:00imagine that you control a drone the
0:02Drone looks at that reality where it is
0:07sends me information and I get the I get
0:10the conscious experience of what the
0:13Drone is seeing that conscious
0:15experience is not in my body is in my
0:19Consciousness a scientific theory that
0:22basically states that our body is
0:23operated like a drone from a conscious
0:26Quantum field which would mean that
0:28experience qualia is not in your head
0:31the qualia do not exist in the body they
0:33exist in the field okay people will find
0:35this um crazy idea it is crazy but it is
0:40much closer to the
0:42truth fedo Fen invented the first CPU
0:46the touch bad and worked on the first
0:48neural Nets which gave him the hope of
0:51creating conscious AI took me 30 years
0:54to figure out that
0:56mathematics is created by Consciousness
0:59and there therefore I cannot explain
1:01Consciousness with mathematics people
1:03many physicists think that there is
1:05emerging emerging properties in the
1:08purely classical World it cannot be
1:11emergentism requires
1:14quantumness like some other renowned
1:17physicists fajin is convinced that
1:19Consciousness cannot be a classical
1:21phenomenon and has to be Quantum but his
1:24theory of quantum Consciousness goes
1:26beyond any theories on the table we have
1:28to go Way Beyond
1:30sherer's equation we had to go into the
1:33Rocks equation but even beyond that we
1:35had to go to Quantum fields and Quantum
1:38information and Quantum information goes
1:40beyond the concepts of quantum fields in
1:43fact the only physicist that's been able
1:46to show the quantum physics derived from
1:49Quantum information is an Italian
1:52physicist ja Maro darano it showed that
1:56you can derive all the equations of
1:58quantum physics from Quantum bits federo
2:01Fen reached out to marod dariano and
2:04together they published a paper and
2:05federo wrote this book if they are right
2:09not only will they have an accurate
2:11Theory Of Consciousness they will also
2:13solve the mystery of the interpretation
2:15of quantum mechanics Quantum information
2:19is the representation of inner
2:21experience and the collapse of the wave
2:23function is the representation of my of
2:25the Free Will what more do you want
2:28that's crazy that's crazy um let's try
2:31and really understand this welcome to
2:33the asenia foundation YouTube channel
2:36thanks for watching and may I ask you to
2:38like And subscribe as it really helps us
2:40to grow our Channel now this interview
2:43was recorded when fedo visited the
2:46Netherlands to present his new book
2:49irreducible a link to the book and
2:51scientific papers are in the description
2:53below and in his book federo describes
2:56how a deeply personal experience led him
2:59to start investigating Consciousness
3:02therefore I found it interesting to
3:04start our conversation with this
3:06personal experience of course after that
3:08we go into the theory itself in the
3:10chapter marks below you can see the
3:12topics we discussed now without further
3:15Ado here is silicon hero and
3:17Consciousness Pioneer Federico fagin
3:20fedo can you tell us about a pivotal
3:22moment in your life namely the
3:24experience you had at Lake Taho do I
3:27pronounce it correctly y during your
3:29Christmas holiday days of
3:311990
3:33yeah I wasn't happy you know and I reach
3:37everything that the world says that if
3:38you do all this stuff you should be
3:40happy and I wasn't I realized that I was
3:44faking being happy because I needed to
3:46because I was running a company I had to
3:48to be enthusiastic and everything else
3:50but I was dying inside so what's going
3:54on what's wrong with this picture and be
3:57so Consciousness then
4:00was you know the you know became center
4:04stage in my life understanding that this
4:07conscience is somehow was also connected
4:10with feeling you know desperate inside
4:13so what's going on so I wanted to
4:16understand what Consciousness is so
4:17that's when you know in and I wanted to
4:21understand it for my own sake for not
4:23not to do something about it not to
4:26monetize not to make a new technology
4:29because before it was all about you know
4:31doing something you know and now all of
4:33a sudden I turned my attention inside
4:36because of the suffering and it was in
4:38this climate that I had this
4:40extraordinary experience of
4:41Consciousness now I can go to this Tahoe
4:44night you know in 1990 during the uh the
4:49Christmas holidays we had a home up in
4:52Tahoe which is a lake Taho is a
4:54beautiful Lake 2500 uh meters and there
4:58are mountains and skiing is great U um
5:02and um and so you know one night I woke
5:05up midnight uh you know I was thirsty
5:08went to get a glass of water um and uh
5:12went back to bed and was just you know
5:14just waiting for you know go back to
5:17sleep thinking nothing and all of a
5:20sudden out of the
5:23chest just a you know Just Energy was
5:26coming out of my chest but it was love
5:28and it was love that was never felt
5:31before it was it was love that was
5:34coming from me how can love come from me
5:37I mean you know it was Unthinkable that
5:40love could come from me you know and it
5:44was 10,000 times more powerful than any
5:47love that I felt before I mean and in
5:49fact never felt that love because it was
5:52unconditional love now I have a name for
5:55it it was love period it was it yes it
5:58was coming from me but it was love and
6:00it was light was a white light
6:03scintillating it was you know like a
6:05like sparkles you know and he was coming
6:09out and then he he explodes and he
6:14everywhere but is everywhere but my
6:17Consciousness is there too so not only
6:20my Consciousness is within me but is
6:23also outside of me and all of a sudden I
6:27realize I am that so I Am The Observer
6:32and the observe
6:33simultaneously but I retain my point of
6:36view I retain my identity I was still
6:39the same kid 5 years old or three years
6:41old kid that I that I was then and so
6:46and that I am now and so that identity
6:49was so my the only thing on me that
6:51remain was that point of view and and
6:54and then I realized oh my God this stuff
6:56is the stuff of which everything is made
6:59everything comes from this stuff and my
7:02body was hot it was vibrating you know
7:06like the cells of my body were
7:08resonating with this thing the you know
7:11of course the the emotion The Feelings
7:13was love joy and peace because this this
7:18stuff felt like that's me I'm I'm at
7:21home this is me so I'm I'm finally home
7:24this is the you know this is
7:26home but and so it was all mixed up so
7:29you cannot separate this stuff you know
7:31love joy and peace and um and then the
7:36mind was aign saying this is the stuff
7:40of everything is made so
7:42I'm
7:44everything but also the Observer of
7:46everything so I'm I'm a point of view of
7:49one with which one knows itself and now
7:52is the centerpiece of this new Theory Of
7:55Consciousness that U we may talk later
7:58about yeah beautiful I'm a I was a
8:01physicalist I thought you know basically
8:04you know materialist because I study
8:06Physics you know and everybody knows the
8:09Consciousness comes from matter perhaps
8:12we don't know how but has to come from
8:14matter what else can it come from so I
8:16mean that was the mindset that I was so
8:19all of a sudden how can you know no this
8:22this is before matter somehow you know
8:24so this this must be the beginning of it
8:27so uh you know that changed it and that
8:30you know that started me in a completely
8:32different I went orthogonal in terms of
8:35my personal development and thinking
8:38while I was running synoptics so that
8:41was fine but I spent from that point on
8:4330 to 40% of my time trying to
8:47understand what happened and studying
8:49doing meditation you know figuring you
8:52know anything that I could understand to
8:55understand what happened but that
8:58picture
9:00actually is the end is now I can explain
9:05with this new theory of conscious I can
9:06explain exactly what happened and
9:09exactly why that is correct every every
9:13single one of us is a
9:16field that is both The Observer the
9:20observe and the
9:22actor every one of us is a field and it
9:26doesn't exist in this field does not
9:28exist in space and time space time is
9:31exist within these fields that we are is
9:35us
9:36so this changes the Paradigm right but
9:40we need a change of Paradigm because
9:43otherwise if we are machines like
9:45scientism is telling us we are we are
9:49going to be taken over by the machines
9:53the artificial intelligence that people
9:56will control powerful people control and
10:00through those machines they can control
10:02us if we don't change our mind of who we
10:06are it will become a sort of
10:08self-fulfilling prophecy will become a
10:09self-fulfilling prophecy because we have
10:12not done the personal work to understand
10:14who we are and we are not machines the
10:16body is a machine but it's a machine
10:19that is infinitely more complex than the
10:21computers because it is a Quantum and
10:24classical machine is not a machine like
10:27a computer just to you know it's simple
10:30to understand that every cell of my body
10:34is a part hole of the body what do I
10:37mean by that every cell of my body has
10:40the
10:41Genome of the
10:43egg that created the entire organism so
10:47every part of my body has the potential
10:50knowledge of the whole in this case the
10:53whole is just the
10:55body so we are holographic
10:59we are holographic we are made of Parts
11:03all we have 50 trillion cells each has
11:06the potential knowledge of the whole
11:09organism so a cell which is a part can
11:13change within its own life by taking
11:18advantage of the potential knowledge of
11:20the whole that's why epigenetics exist
11:2320 years ago if you said epigenetics
11:26they would you would have put you know
11:27into the into the corn as a you know as
11:30a crazy guy okay now we know that
11:33epigenetic exists why because every part
11:35is a part
11:38hole so we as human beings we are fields
11:43which are part whole of one the totality
11:47of what exists same pattern repeated at
11:50different scales very nice we we are
11:53going going deeper right now and I think
11:57good for people to understand this comes
11:59from from the architect of the first
12:01microprocessor if we have that cell that
12:04part hole as you mentioned and we have a
12:08modern-day microprocessor that many
12:10people attribute sort of the same
12:12intelligence or complexity to because
12:14that's the idea right because it's just
12:16um so many connections so many computing
12:19power so many people think we will
12:21achieve sort of cell like and then of
12:23course um organism like intelligence can
12:27you just on the ground level make that
12:29comparison the cell versus the
12:31microprocessor yeah a
12:33microprocessor is made of
12:36switches on off on off on off what does
12:40this switch know about the whole the old
12:43computer nothing it doesn't know
12:48anything the most all that it could
12:51possibly know is that it's open or
12:54close and but it can do nothing else
12:59every cell of my body is connected to
13:03the
13:04whole through this Quantum
13:08Fields because a cell is a Quantum
13:11classical thing is not a classical thing
13:15it has been studied as bio
13:18Chemistry by by
13:22biologist is an informational system of
13:25a kind that we have still to understand
13:28the foundation is quantum and classical
13:31Quantum and classical nobody understands
13:33how life works it goes Way Beyond what
13:36we understand we think is a
13:39mechanism and that's because those cells
13:42remain connected with the
13:44fields because they're made of particles
13:47and quantum physics is telling us that
13:50particles are not objects particles are
13:53states of a
13:55field they cannot be taken away from the
13:58field they're not separable from the
14:00fields they are like a wave of the sea
14:04cannot be taken out of the sea but what
14:07many people I think and this we really
14:09need to clarify I think okay in a Cell
14:13we have uh proteins bumping around which
14:16are in the end complex molecules in a
14:18computer we have electrons that are also
14:21particles what exactly makes the
14:23molecules the particles within the cell
14:26um Quantum classical and a computer
14:29purely classical because I'd say Okay
14:31aren't there Quantum effects as well in
14:32computers that connect them to that
14:34field you were talking about yeah but
14:36the quantum effects are incoherent and
14:39they cancel out so the quantumness is
14:41canceled out the bit the bit is the
14:45average of quantum
14:47phenomena they cancel out and then
14:51therefore is a first of all the bit is
14:53not a physical thing it's an obstruction
14:56that we have created what is zero and
14:59what is one we have determined and as
15:03long as within the system the zero and
15:06the one as the simplest possible symbols
15:09can be recognized as zero and one that's
15:12all that is needed so if you maintain
15:14that coherence but it's a classical
15:16coherence because the zero and the
15:19one are classical information that can
15:23be reproduced a Quantum bit cannot be
15:26reproduced a Quantum bit when you
15:29measure the quantum bit you get zero or
15:32one in the direction in which you
15:34measure it but you have to set the
15:36direction because if you don't know the
15:38direction whichever any direction that
15:40you choose you will find zero or one is
15:43the Olivos theorem says that the maximum
15:46information that you can get from a
15:48Quantum bit is a classical bit the
15:51quantum bit cannot be known the the not
15:55cloning theorem says that you cannot
15:57clone even a Quantum bit Yeah once we
16:00want to know the quantum state it will
16:02collapse in a state which is a zero or
16:04one and we are in a classical world
16:06class in classical so Quantum
16:09information cannot be
16:11reproduced Quantum information cannot be
16:14reproduced classical information can be
16:18reproduced we are quantum fields are
16:21what we feel within can be represented
16:25by Quantum
16:27information but the what we feel goes
16:31beyond the representation the
16:33representation is mathematics is the map
16:38what we feel is the territory is what we
16:40feel is only within the field that's how
16:43we know the meaning is within us is
16:46within the field is not in the
16:49information physics the information in
16:52physics has no
16:54meaning and the problem with with the
16:58current world view is that you if you
17:03start with this type of information
17:06there is no meaning then you cannot
17:08conclude that the universe is without
17:11meaning and purpose just because you
17:13have started that
17:15way but in fact if you start with
17:17Quantum information people cannot
17:20explain why you cannot copy Quantum
17:22information why can I not copy Quantum
17:24information then the new Theory says
17:30Consciousness and Free Will are
17:32foundational cannot be explained with
17:34anything simplers but if you start with
17:36that you can explain why quantum physics
17:39must be the way it is exactly the up the
17:44again a you know again the the you know
17:49the Silicon gate technology turning
17:51around the problem and you go from here
17:54to there instead of going from there to
17:55here and there is collapse of the wave
17:58function which are are free Will's
17:59decision of the field of the various
18:02fields that are interacting and creating
18:05this thing that emerges from this
18:07Fields the particle is not separable
18:10from the fields is is integral to the
18:13fields then they forget about it then
18:15they think of the particle little ball
18:17the people they study biology think that
18:20the cell is classical it is not
18:24classical yeah they think of the the
18:25rule of large numbers right because
18:27Quantum effects are on a sort of
18:29subatomic particle level and it filters
18:31out it cancels out and then we have the
18:33classical World which is out inside the
18:35cell they work together to create these
18:37structures that they don't even
18:40understand that that that is going on
18:41right now they don't understand how this
18:44cell works as a
18:46totality you know we are instructed not
18:50to understand and we are going through a
18:52blinders we don't understand I mean
18:55there is for example about 10 years ago
18:58you know so a few a few physicists and
19:02biologists but people with strong
19:06knowledge of physics started say hey but
19:09but you know life there must be
19:11something Quantum in life oh forget it
19:13not possible okay and they were
19:17ostracized and you know eventually there
19:19is a very small CER you know Quantum
19:23biology is called now people that's
19:25trying to understand Life as a quantum
19:29phenomenon they are still ostracized but
19:32at least now they have some money to do
19:34research but for 10 years it was like
19:37you know everybody knows the you know I
19:39mean these dogmas of the sort of the or
19:44Orthodoxy of science you know are you
19:49know impeding us to really make progress
19:53you know and it's time to stop this but
19:56you know there is a strong desire for
19:59the you know for this Orthodoxy to keep
20:02this materialist and reductionist
20:04framework that has shown that is no
20:06longer valid everybody knows I mean
20:10people they really think but they don't
20:12want that because it's power and how but
20:16but but if we go back I really like when
20:18you talk about sort of because I think
20:20that's the real not and bolts we go into
20:22the the the eukaryotic cell and we see
20:25the proteins we have the DNA we have we
20:27have all the action going on in a Cell
20:29which is tremendously complex but we
20:31think we can reduce it to First
20:33principles because we know what those
20:35molecules do to each other and then it's
20:36just a rule of large numbers which will
20:38give us sort of the action of the cell
20:40and will build up to the organism but
20:42you saying that on that level Quantum
20:45effects are playing a role which make
20:47action within the cell indeterministic
20:49and even a free will decision absolutely
20:52but the Free Will de is not in the cell
20:54is in the fields that control the cell
21:00see I was mentioning before right that a
21:04particle like an electron doesn't exist
21:08separate from the fields it's a state of
21:10the field the from physics point of view
21:15ontology is in the field it's not in the
21:18particles because the particles you know
21:21are inte grow to the field so they come
21:24and they go if if a particle existed it
21:27wouldn't disappear
21:29right but an electron can appear and
21:31disappear but it is a state of a field
21:33that appears or disappear there is
21:36nothing more the part there is no
21:38particle but physicist the the particle
21:41physicist but I see the particles no you
21:44don't see the particles you see the
21:46effect of the stat of the field on this
21:50classical world and then you see
21:53something but that is not a particle
21:56that is the effect of something that was
21:57Amplified
21:59and you know huge number of times to
22:02give you what you call a
22:05particle and and to to clarify this for
22:08people when we talk about Quantum and
22:09classical the classical world is the
22:11world of matter that we know that seems
22:13to behave
22:15deterministically um and the quantum
22:17world of course is a world of
22:19probabilities right of multiple States
22:21being possible at once and how exactly
22:24do they relate if you say Quantum
22:27classical so what bit of our body is
22:29classical of course my body it doesn't
22:32evaporate while I'm sitting here so that
22:34that would make it classical but my
22:37thoughts are quantum yes okay so first
22:39of all there is no clear boundary
22:43between
22:45classical and Quantum in other words we
22:48again want to put things into boxes
22:51that's the first mistake there are no
22:53separate boxes one is holistic the
22:57reality
22:59deeper reality is holistic means it's
23:02not made of separable
23:04parts and it's not made of separable
23:07Concepts which is even deeper so even
23:11true or false is a appr
23:15approximation of reality valid under
23:18certain conditions like one and zero are
23:21valid for a certain temperature and
23:23pressure of the computer if you change
23:25the temperature it doesn't work anymore
23:28because that distinction can no longer
23:30be valid in a world where there are you
23:33know there is a continuity there is
23:35everything is connected with everything
23:37else so but we don't want that world
23:40because you cannot control that world so
23:42the problem now is a problem of power
23:44and control behind this desire to have a
23:49deterministic and reductionistic World
23:52which is the materialist philosophy
23:55which is it's time to abandon that
23:57because quantum physics already saying
24:00that that doesn't work you know
24:03according to quantum
24:05physics the universe is holistic is not
24:09made of separable Parts everything is
24:11connected everything is connected from
24:13the
24:14inside but according to most physicist
24:17there is no inside because every you
24:20know they think that all that exists is
24:23actually what you can measure but that
24:26is not possible nobody can understand
24:29why quantum computers work because their
24:32actual operation cannot occur in
24:34SpaceTime it must occur in what is
24:38called hilber space but Hilbert space is
24:40supposed to be a mathematical
24:42obstruction so how can you do operations
24:45in a abstract space of mathematics you
24:48see is
24:49incoherent but nobody want to think
24:52deeply about this stuff because nobody
24:55has ever taught how to think deeply
24:58about stuff they want to solve the
25:00problem give me the equation I'll solve
25:02the equations but the equations are
25:04created by Consciousness it is
25:07consciousness that creates mathematics
25:10not mathematics that creates
25:13Consciousness it took me 30 years to
25:16figure out that
25:18mathematics is created by Consciousness
25:21and therefore I cannot explain
25:23Consciousness with mathematics and I
25:25realized that I was trying to do the
25:27same because I was taught that way I had
25:29to turn it around again turn it
25:32around and we can only touch let's say
25:36but we can touch sort of at the outer
25:38surface of Consciousness with
25:40mathematics it's our own understanding
25:42of ourselves so would the sheringer wave
25:45function which describes sort of the the
25:47the the the state of a Quantum system is
25:50that touching on the outside of
25:51Consciousness is that as close as we can
25:53get with mathematics oh of course of
25:56course in fact that you know we have to
25:58go Way Beyond sherer's equation we had
26:01to go into the Rock's equation but even
26:04beyond that we had to go to Quantum
26:06Fields so and Quantum
26:10information and Quantum information goes
26:12beyond the concepts of quantum fields in
26:15fact the only physicist that's been able
26:17to show the quantum physics derives from
26:21Quantum information is an Italian
26:23physicist jao Mao darano University of
26:27pava and it took me 15 20 years to to do
26:31that and it show that you can derive all
26:34the equations of quantum physics from
26:36Quantum bits so you remember probably
26:40about John Wheeler you know it from bit
26:43yeah he had the the original intuition
26:47that information had to be more profound
26:50more deeper than matter it from bit so
26:56the bit was deeper but it should should
26:58have said it from Cubit but never mind
27:02because the deeper information is
27:05quantum information and darano and his
27:09collaborators prove that you can derive
27:13quantum physics from Quantum information
27:15yeah so Quantum information now becomes
27:17the
27:19ontology based on daro's work what would
27:22be a way for people to understand what
27:24Quantum information really is so is
27:27basically instead of having bits you
27:29know Arrangements of bits you have
27:32Arrangements of quantum bits a Quantum
27:35bit imagine a Quantum bit as a one of an
27:38infinite possibilities that can be
27:41represented as a point on the surface of
27:43a sphere so you have a sphere every
27:46point on the surface of the sphere which
27:47would correspond into a direction in
27:503D is one of the possible States so a
27:54cubit implies an Infinity of States but
27:59when you make a measurement only you can
28:01find zero or one so and you cannot when
28:06you make a measurement you Disturb This
28:08Quantum bits so you don't you know you
28:10basically you disturb it in the
28:12direction in which you make the
28:13measurement and you get zero or
28:17one and that's it yeah in any direction
28:20that you measure you get zero or one but
28:22you don't get zero one repeatedly you
28:25get it with some
28:26probability so so the quantum physics
28:30doesn't tell you what the next state is
28:32it only can tell you the probability of
28:35all the possible states that you can
28:37measure so in the case of a Quantum bit
28:41it tells you if you measure in in this
28:43direction let's say it tells you the
28:46probability that you get a zero or one
28:48but it doesn't tell you that you get a
28:50zero or one
28:52so the fundamental difference between
28:55quantum physics and classical physics is
28:57that quantum physics is indeterminate
29:00meaning it doesn't tell you he only can
29:02tell you probability but not the
29:04probability of what you will measure no
29:07the probability of all the possible
29:09things can measure okay and and the the
29:13to go from this Pro probability field to
29:17what you will measure there is no
29:19physics there is the collapse of the
29:21wave function it's just a way of saying
29:24that we don't know basically you go
29:28from you have an interaction between the
29:32the
29:33fields and an instrument that does a
29:36measurement and somehow in this
29:40interaction you get one state but but
29:44that state that you get you can only
29:46know the probability and you don't know
29:48how you get that state not only that but
29:50we know that that state is
29:53random but also their Randomness is not
29:57algorith I mic is beyond algorithms and
30:01that's the rub that's where that's where
30:04Free Will is in this Theory with darano
30:07we say Free Will is what is happening we
30:12what we call collapse of the wave
30:15function is a free will decision of the
30:18field of whatever particle you're
30:20measuring and because that's interesting
30:22because I always thought because the the
30:24rule of large numbers when we do Quantum
30:26measurements over and over a thousand
30:28times then we get again a probabilistic
30:30or sorry a deterministic world because
30:32you then just get a a a wave function
30:35that will give you Sur but inside the
30:36cell you only you only get one you only
30:39one you do one thing at a time you don't
30:41do you don't repeat the
30:44things yeah now I get it that's that's
30:47crazy that's crazy um let's try and
30:49really understand this okay classical
30:52information is information we can share
30:54because it's like a written word that we
30:55can kind of show around I cannot show
30:57around what I'm feeling right now to all
30:59of you so the moment I speak a word I've
31:02made a feeling I had I've turned it into
31:05classical information that's right you
31:06take something which is private that
31:09cannot be reproduced can only be
31:11represented by Quantum
31:13information but the representation is
31:16not what you feel the representation of
31:19reality is not reality a theory of
31:21reality is not reality okay so what you
31:25feel only you f not not body you field
31:30can actually know and you know inside
31:34and what you can say about what you feel
31:37is a small part of what you feel Olivos
31:40theorem one bit per Quantum bit and the
31:42quantum bits are entangle so they're
31:46they have States in common with the bits
31:48don't have States in common zero or one
31:52there is nothing else but Quantum bits
31:55may have States in common meaning that
31:57the probability the two probabilities
32:00are connected and to show this
32:02connection you cannot do you you have to
32:04describe the quantum state in Hilbert
32:07space which is a nend dimensional space
32:10with complex Dimensions where the
32:12dimensions are complex numbers you know
32:15it's just enough to give you headache
32:17right but that's what you need you
32:19cannot represent them in this way so
32:21what does it mean that there is a deeper
32:24reality where where the feelings and the
32:28fields
32:29exist the meaning of information exist
32:34that and from that world you have this
32:38world that is a classical world where
32:40you can get classical information and we
32:43think that the only world that world
32:45that exist is this world but this world
32:47we have constructed with our
32:49bodies and is a way to look at it I
32:52think you have this metaphor yet in in
32:54in in Silicon that would it be like
32:56consciousness
32:58being the field writing a book and the
33:01book itself is our SpaceTime Dimension
33:04our body sitting here or a film
33:06recording a film and showing it the film
33:08shown on the screen of perception yeah
33:09but but but the book emerges into into
33:12this three-dimensional reality but but
33:15the writer of the book is in a deeper
33:18vaster reality not not in the book is
33:20not in the book and my body here my body
33:22here is a sentence in that book the body
33:25is a symbol it's a symbol of a
33:27complexity which is unfathomable for now
33:29okay people will find this um crazy idea
33:33it is crazy but it is it is much closer
33:36to the truth than what you get from the
33:40scientism yeah because that I wanted to
33:43ask if we it's crazy but quantum theory
33:45is crazy so if we have the other
33:47explanation if we don't want to go to
33:49Consciousness if we say no it still
33:51matter all the way down how then uh
33:55where do we then end up with in
33:56interpreting Quant mechanics then we
33:58have to go like many worlds or or how
34:00how do
34:02you there is no interpretation that
34:05anybody can agree on for the 100 years
34:08no I mean this problem has been
34:10discussed for a 100 years and there is
34:13no interpretation whatsoever about
34:16quantum physics couldn't we say there's
34:17a Multiverse with everything possible
34:19being possible in other dimensions yeah
34:21but but but but does doesn't explain
34:24anything what what what is it explaining
34:26when I say Consciousness and Free Will
34:29must be taken as
34:32foundational as a postulate okay but why
34:36do I say that because postulates ought
34:39to be
34:41self
34:43evident the condition to accept the
34:45posture is is a
34:47self-evident why is a self-evident
34:49because you and I are conscious you and
34:51I know that we have limited but we have
34:54free will limited but we have it so we
34:56know already that how can you explain
35:00Free Will and conscience with something
35:02that doesn't have either you cannot
35:05explain it how can you explain
35:06Consciousness with math when is
35:08conscious that created math when can you
35:11explain Free Will with something doesn't
35:12have free will you see it's foolish to
35:16think that you know that you can explain
35:19you know more with less and today we
35:22talk about emerging properties you know
35:25we explain everything with emergentism
35:27what does it mean emergencies how can
35:29you get more with less you
35:32cannot you can be you can get less from
35:35more you can get determinism from
35:37indeterminism you can get
35:39unconsciousness from Consciousness not
35:42the other way around and that's so
35:44simple and so common sense but science
35:48doesn't want to go there why scientism
35:50doesn't want to go there why because you
35:53lose your power because if I know the
35:56equations I'm know more than you and
35:59that's not acceptable because nobody
36:02knows the
36:04equations because they Reen know there
36:06is no equations that describe Free Will
36:09Free Will is an act that no laws can
36:13tell what the Free Will can give you and
36:15people want to predict the future their
36:17safety is in the prediction of the
36:19future their sense of power is in
36:21prediction the future you cannot predict
36:23the future because it's based on Free
36:26Will no no body wants to go there right
36:28now but that's the only way to go to be
36:32safe from this idea that we are machines
36:36and the artificial intelligence will
36:38best us your postulate of free will you
36:42experience Free Will isn't that Just an
36:44Illusion I mean does Free Will Truly
36:47exist or is it something we think we
36:52have why do you people that say this you
36:56have to ask them why why do you insist
37:00that there is no free will what do you
37:02get by insisting that there is no free
37:05will think deeply about that what do you
37:09get by thinking that there is no free
37:11will that you do not have any free will
37:14why do you want
37:15that and if you answer that question
37:18they have to answer that question but if
37:20they answer that question they will find
37:22out more about themselves and eventually
37:25they will have to agree that they are
37:28they have a hidden desire to control to
37:33have power because they know the
37:36equations they know more than
37:38you that's the point I mean I was there
37:43I was you know I had taken the same
37:45courses i' learned the same physics and
37:48if I did not have this experience that
37:51told me that I'm
37:53more I couldn't be here saying these
37:56things but now I can you know with this
37:59experience I was able to invert our
38:03understanding and pointing the way to a
38:05different way to understand so you know
38:09if it's it will be found to be
38:11but but don't say there is
38:13just because you don't want to
38:15even think about it and that's the
38:17problem today people the the first time
38:19they hear a wrong the wrong war from
38:22them they shut off and not you know they
38:25don't even want to think about it but
38:27actually the reason why we know is
38:31because we're
38:32conscious the reason why we know is be
38:35because we're conscious because
38:36Consciousness is what allows us to
38:39know computers don't know it's foolish
38:43to think the computers understand they
38:45don't understand there is no meaning in
38:48the
38:49bits the meaning can only be Quantum can
38:52only be something that exist in the
38:55fields it doesn't even it doesn't even
38:57exist existing Quantum information
38:58Quantum information can only
39:01represent what we know is meaning you
39:04see mathematics stops there for
39:07now but there is a new math to be
39:10developed to go from qualia qualia which
39:14is Sensations and feelings that can be
39:16represented by Quantum information
39:19Quantum information cannot represent the
39:20meaning they represent the qualia that's
39:23all they can do which is how we feel but
39:27qua is the beginning of the inner
39:29Journey qualia are the Bringers of
39:32meaning and we look for meaning first
39:36comprehension and then meaning
39:38comprehension gets you to meaning
39:40meaning is the essence of comprehension
39:43meaning is what you get after you got it
39:46you know I got it I understand it now
39:49that's you know that's beyond
39:51comprehension your comprehension is a
39:52path to meaning and meaning is the
39:56ontology the ontology is in the meaning
39:58in the experience and what we feel and
39:59what we know from within not
40:04outside if you say meaning is the
40:06ontology so meaning is what ultimately
40:09exists in our universe yeah yeah but in
40:13order to make it more understandable I
40:17start with a
40:18postulate I start this all basic
40:23reframing with the postulate because I'm
40:26joining science and spirituality I'm
40:29joining the outer and the inner science
40:33is about the outer world but
40:37meaning experience Consciousness Free
40:40Will is about the inner world and right
40:43now they are separate there is the
40:44spiritual people that you know think
40:46that this exist but you know phys you
40:48know the scientist say that doesn't mean
40:51the these guys look at those guys say
40:54matter doesn't care you know so so there
40:56is this separation now between science
40:59and
41:00spirituality this way of thinking brings
41:03them together they integrate them don't
41:05don't just oppose them they integrate
41:08they become one they become one so how
41:10do we start so if we want to start like
41:14a new Theory I start with a postulate
41:16because you had to because you can never
41:19you can never start with something that
41:21is true because you have shown to be
41:23true you have to start with postulate
41:25even in math you start with postulate
41:27taken to be true and they had to be
41:29self-evident yeah it's your ground
41:31assumption ground assumption but but
41:33that ground assumption has to be
41:34self-evident the ground Assumption of
41:36quantum physics they are so self-evident
41:39that you have to study 10 years before
41:42you say oh yeah there are they are
41:43evident not self-evident they are
41:45evident after 10 years so they don't
41:48pass the test of self-evidence to me
41:51okay now I'm going to tell you a
41:52postulate that is
41:54self-evident
41:55one the totality of what exist one the
41:59totality of what exist has three
42:01properties dynamic dynamic means is
42:05never the same instant after instant is
42:09holistic means it's not made of
42:12separable parts and so far I have
42:15described the
42:17universe describ by quantum physics yeah
42:20as all this three you know is all the
42:23resist Dynamic
42:25holistic I add one more thing one more
42:28quality one wants to know
42:31itself one wants to know itself now this
42:35comes from perennial
42:38philosophy knowing th know thyself was
42:42in the you know in the deli Dy you know
42:45Temple you know it was part of the you
42:48know part of the Greek some of the Greek
42:50philosophers but the vadas were saying
42:53the same thing all the basic experiences
42:56of the deeper the people that went
42:57deeper into the understanding of reality
43:00come to the same general conclusion that
43:03there is one that has those properties
43:05and they want to know itself if I look
43:08Within Myself what do I wanted to know
43:10when I was suffering who am I why am I
43:13here why am I
43:15suffering that's what does it mean I
43:17want to know
43:19myself so we all want to know ourselves
43:22we all deep down then we forget about it
43:24because we can do nothing about it so we
43:25go you know we go we try to solve the
43:28problem by you know going outside
43:30ourselves and then we lose ourselves
43:32like I did and then you know so if we
43:36start
43:37there as it you know is it
43:39self-evident it it was it is
43:41self-evident to me and if you think a
43:44little bit it's self-evident to you that
43:45that's what you want okay so wanting
43:49means free will because if if if you are
43:52a machine what what do you want as a
43:54machine the next state of the machine is
43:56already defined by the
43:58algorithm what do you want doesn't make
44:01any sense I don't want anything but the
44:03question doesn't even make there are no
44:05questions to a machine there are only
44:07answers to a machine
44:11so and know to know
44:15itself one must be conscious because
44:18conscious is what allows one to know
44:21itself so you have def I Define Free
44:24Will and
44:25Consciousness and and why are those
44:28self-evident because you are conscious
44:30and you have free will and I conscious
44:31and I have free will so more
44:33self-evident than that what is there and
44:36if I start there I can explain quantum
44:39physics by that
44:41postulate I can explain what physicist
44:44in a 100 years have not
44:46understood Quantum information is the
44:49representation of inner experience and
44:52the collapse of the way function is the
44:54representation of my free of the free
44:56will what more do you
44:59want I think it's a great Theory because
45:02in bridging as you say science and
45:04spirituality um the two are thought very
45:07distinct and very separate right because
45:09the the the um well it makes me think I
45:13interviewed Donald Hoffman who you know
45:15right I think your foundation supports
45:16his work right um for about five years
45:19and and he said something that stuck
45:21with me that he said that all these
45:23spiritual Traditions that in a sense are
45:26saying what you are saying that
45:27Consciousness is fundamental one wants
45:29to know itself and then we have all the
45:31Incarnation stories of the Gods who
45:33incarnate Etc so we know those stories
45:35but the fact that they've always
45:37remained so elusive so mystical he said
45:40is nothing to be proud of we should be
45:42like more concrete we have also our
45:45rational faculty we have science so we
45:47now need to approach this with our sort
45:49of scientific mindset so is that what
45:52you're trying to do here right what what
45:54is more concrete than what I just said
45:56yeah
45:57and can it lead I mean you know now with
46:01if you start
46:03here we can show the
46:07science that that not science the the
46:10quantum physics out of which everything
46:12else emerges in fact Quantum information
46:15because the quantum state that is
46:19representation of our
46:21experience is what then eventually
46:23determines the outer world okay
46:27so I show that by starting with the H
46:30something that is kind of haha you know
46:33but it doesn't get you anywhere actually
46:36needs the physics that exists and now
46:40from there we go we already solve the
46:42other problems I I'm not changing
46:43anything of physics I'm reinterpreting
46:46completely what physics has been talking
46:49about what do you want more is that is
46:52that Dawn wants to explain Consciousness
46:55with mathematics and you can not do that
46:58because Consciousness creates
47:01mathematics I wanted to do the same
47:03thing for many years and then I found
47:05out that I was
47:07wrong that it is consciousness that
47:11explains
47:12math and therefore you go from
47:14Consciousness to math you cannot go from
47:16math to Consciousness because where does
47:18math come from
47:20otherwise is what who created math
47:24God what come on yeah how does math
47:29exist it's our Creation in human mind
47:32you bet federo you have it was your
47:36intuition that led to your inventions
47:38that have uh changed the world um I
47:42think it's fair to say that or help
47:43change the world now you have this Grand
47:46uh intuition your theory about
47:49Consciousness how can this also lead
47:53to technology or to something Tang ible
47:57can we test it is it
47:59falsifiable of course it is in fact the
48:02next step for is to now that I have a
48:05theory which is absolutely perfect in
48:07meaning it can be falsified it can make
48:09it it can make you know
48:12predictions and you can test the
48:14prediction can you name one oh yes I can
48:18predict you know the trees are
48:21conscious and I can make experiments
48:23that show that trees are conscious okay
48:26and trees and no brain so
48:29Consciousness that is supposed to be
48:31coming off our brain it comes off a tree
48:34that has no brain look at that what do
48:37you think of that it's amazing yeah is
48:41this being done I will do that yeah I
48:44cannot tell you how because I you know I
48:47have to prove it and don't worry about
48:48it I will do
48:52that and um
48:55[Laughter]
49:01all right okay trees are yeah but you
49:04actually have a a a method a scientific
49:08method of of of testing this yes I I
49:11will not not discuss it any further I
49:14will say you know would you agree with
49:17me that if I do that I have disprove the
49:21Consciousness is a product of the human
49:24brain or of the animal brain def is that
49:27good all right I will do that that's a
49:31deal then you have proven that it takes
49:34Sals right then we are are sort of on a
49:35cellular LEL absolutely yeah yeah
49:38absolutely yeah absolutely I would prove
49:42that yeah you sure of that
49:45absolutely take me to task I'll get it I
49:50can guarantee you that I will get it the
49:52something that people
49:55say they don't they cannot say anything
49:58they will not have any objection anymore
50:00see entanglement took over 30 years to
50:04prove that entanglement exist after the
50:06first experiment showed it exist because
50:07people didn't scientists didn't want
50:09entanglement Einstein didn't want
50:11entanglement so everybody you know
50:13Einstein how can Einstein be wrong so
50:15for 50 years you could do the
50:16experiments okay finally when you could
50:19do experiments the first experiment that
50:21proved that Al aspe with got the Nobel
50:24Prize 3 years ago four years ago was
50:27anyways he did that okay then oh you did
50:30wrong you couldn't do you know blah blah
50:31blah it took more than 30 years after
50:34that to you know cancel all the
50:38objections you know show that the
50:40objection were not valid and finally
50:42everybody now has to accept that there
50:44is entanglement but nobody can explain
50:46it entanglement is what connects
50:49everything from the inside is what
50:51allows the world to be holistic which is
50:54already what quantum physics is saying
50:56yeah
50:57are you predicting I mean many people
50:59think of AI a sort of an invention that
51:02you were at the birth at right with the
51:05in in your work on neural networks
51:06that's yeah back in 80 in the 80s second
51:10part of the 80s yeah people now think
51:11that AI will cause a paradigm shift what
51:14what's your response to that do you
51:16think that Ai No only this Theory will
51:18cause a paradigm shift and not not
51:19because I'm is a theory that I develop
51:22but only by changing the the
51:25understanding of who we are can change
51:26can change a paradigm in fact the
51:29Paradigm ends with AI this Paradigm of
51:32scientism ends with AI because AI is
51:36saying we machines will be better than
51:39us which is crazy why does anybody want
51:45AI despite that why does anybody want AI
51:48to be better than us but AI cannot be
51:51better than us because creativity is
51:53non-algorithmic is not changing things
51:56randomly and you know because besides
51:59even if AI gives you a good idea AI
52:02doesn't know that it is a good idea you
52:04recognize the good idea of AI still
52:06needs your with your Consciousness with
52:08your understanding with your
52:09comprehension and that's why AI can help
52:12us and I I
52:14applaud what has happened AI but not the
52:18AI bests us and not the way AI
52:21unfortunately will be used to monetize
52:23us that's not acceptable I agree I agree
52:27I think you would also fully agree to
52:28that quote by Nicola Tesla right the the
52:31he has this famous saying that the
52:32moment science will start studying
52:35Consciousness more will be ACH achieved
52:37in a decade than in the whole history of
52:38science absolutely because we change the
52:40way we are you
52:41know
52:44thoughts are more important than stuff
52:47right I
52:49mean from the inside you get the outside
52:53not vice
52:54versa and and science doesn't recognize
52:58the existence of the inside because
53:00conscience is phenomenon of the brain
53:02the brain makes decision that informs
53:04your conscience we don't know what it is
53:06but it doesn't have any cause of power
53:08so who
53:10cares once we people are convinced that
53:13there is that we are conscious that we
53:15are filled that when the body dies we
53:18don't die I mean that's a good news
53:19right I mean you know people want you to
53:22discharge the your conscience and
53:24experience in the computer and live
53:25forever for Christ sake I mean you know
53:27you know about
53:29transhumanism I mean you know I mean why
53:32do we need to do that besides you know
53:34you need to have a lot of money to pay
53:36for a billion years of electricity to
53:38keep you alive in a computer so this is
53:41only a good recipe for very rich people
53:43right to live forever on a computer you
53:46know the computer has sucks energy right
53:48so to make you live forever you have to
53:50have a lot of money before you die to
53:51give to people that tell you that you
53:54continue to die are you sure that you
53:55will be continued to die in a computer
53:57you know a thousand years
54:00later I I fully agree where could this
54:04where could this lead to if that Tesla
54:06quote is true if we would fully dedicate
54:08ourselves in trying to understand
54:10Consciousness with your theory Even
54:12build technology with it where could we
54:14be in a decade I mean could we break out
54:16of SpaceTime could we sort of live
54:19forever what what are once you
54:21understand that that Consciousness is
54:25beyond matter Beyond this space and time
54:29we already know that we can explore this
54:31world by going out of body with our
54:33Consciousness and millions of people
54:36they go out of body explores other
54:38realities Consciousness is the tool for
54:43knowing in infinitely more powerful than
54:46any instrument that we have ever
54:47built we build billions of dollar
54:50instruments to find out what the
54:52particles you know are doing but
54:53Consciousness is far far richer
54:57so we we basically then we can begin to
54:59explore the universe the invisible
55:03Universe the invisible what Mystics and
55:06and sort of uh sages and and and in
55:10religions have been doing for thousands
55:12of years but also a bit in a way that
55:16sometimes led to um the waging of Wars
55:19because people want again sort of um use
55:22it for for politics can we transcend
55:25that then what is the ultimate dream you
55:27have for
55:28society but when you understand who you
55:32are you know that the only way to work
55:36together is cooperation not competition
55:39today there is only competition today
55:42the purpose of life is the survival or
55:45the fittest is there anything worse than
55:48that as a purpose of life besides if you
55:51ask me how do you define
55:53Fitness the only definition that would
55:56give you is oh fitter is the one that
56:00survives so what kind of a law is that
56:04the survival of the what
56:06survives I mean is it's it's toogy it's
56:09not even it's it's not even
56:13informative
56:15so we believe but you know that that
56:20definition of
56:22life is so wrong because it basically
56:25imped imps you to be cooperative impedes
56:28you impedes us to work together to
56:31understand but once you have a direct
56:32experience of who you are when you are
56:34the Observer and the observe you
56:37know directly who you are and when you
56:41know that you know that only cooperation
56:44is the game we have to work together
56:46that's the only way so competition will
56:49die off just by that experience I cannot
56:52be competitive after that experience I
56:55is imp
56:56possible you know competition this this
56:59not the competition the competition that
57:02is allowed is that competition that
57:04allows me not not me to win me to be
57:08better than what I was the day before
57:09yeah exactly because only competition
57:11that Mak wants to know itself and it's
57:13only one then also uh you're competing
57:16with with one is one yeah but that's not
57:19competition there is there is actually
57:22the the urge to self to be more than you
57:27were if we have one on the ultimate
57:30level and the in in in the quantum
57:32fields in unified field
57:34right how then do we have uh how do we
57:38get to the many how do we get to sort of
57:40on a still on a Quantum level you you
57:42call you talk about seties right how
57:44does one get to different or gazillions
57:48of seties yeah so so if we start from
57:53that uh principle that that
57:57postulate then one you know one wants to
58:01know itself right so the moment that one
58:04knows
58:05itself he has to know completely itself
58:09because it's not made of Parts it cannot
58:11know a part of itself he has to know the
58:13totality of
58:14itself but to know itself he has to you
58:18know he have a flash it cannot happen in
58:21different times it has to happen in in
58:23an instant that knows itself
58:26to in its own totality in that instant
58:29it creates a part hole of itself just
58:33like a myosis right the splitting of
58:35absolutely that's where life takes form
58:38life is the reproduction of one is so
58:41fundamental that it is the reproduction
58:44of one one knowing itself creates
58:46another one part all though because it
58:49creates many so it cannot be the
58:51totality so it cannot copy itself but it
58:54creates what is saw what he got what he
58:58understood itself to be that's the
59:00identity of the field the one is created
59:04it's not a copy you say but it is a part
59:06hole it's yes is one is looking at
59:09itself in One Direction and one is
59:13infinite direction in which he can know
59:14itself the next time that he look itself
59:16in a different direction is another part
59:19hole is another monad liess got it right
59:23liess was the only philosopher
59:26scientist mathematician technologist I
59:30mean it was incredible mind he got it
59:32right he understood that but it was
59:35before quantum physics it was you know
59:36it was way before you know we could make
59:40sense of it but he got it right and I
59:42call him you know before I knew you know
59:46of uh because I didn't study philosophy
59:48I got into what philosophers have been
59:51saying by Inner experiences and then
59:54thinking about it trying to understand
59:55them scientific ific Al and
59:57understanding rationally and I found
59:59that many people have said the same
1:00:01things that that I came up tube through
1:00:05this process to this inner process not
1:00:07by reading books and repeating what I
1:00:10read H so the sayy that is sort of the
1:00:13sey is what I call I call a field that
1:00:16is conscious and has Free Will and wants
1:00:18to know itself I call him s to
1:00:20distinguish them from the quantum fields
1:00:22which don't have Consciousness Free Will
1:00:23and don't want to know themselves so but
1:00:26they have all the characteristics of the
1:00:28quantum fields in in in in the terms of
1:00:31what you can explain of them based on
1:00:33physics but they go beyond that because
1:00:36their inner life you know is beyond
1:00:38physics so physics can only explain
1:00:40qualia which is the entry point to the
1:00:43inner world but from qualia to meaning
1:00:47as I said there is comprehension than
1:00:49meaning is all new physics and new
1:00:52physics can can only go up to a certain
1:00:54point and then you have to leave even
1:00:57physics it's got to go to what we now
1:01:00call metaphysics but it's what can only
1:01:03be known from the
1:01:04inside but you know it will take many
1:01:08centuries to go through but the the key
1:01:12thing though it shows that physics now
1:01:15is incomplete because it doesn't even
1:01:18allow the inner world to exist and the
1:01:21the reason why they struggle for 80
1:01:23years to to unify quantum physics and
1:01:26general
1:01:27relativity is because the the
1:01:29fundamental concepts of time space
1:01:32matter and energy are wrong then they're
1:01:34almost right but they're not exact you
1:01:38know not close to the not so close to
1:01:40the truth that they allow you to bridge
1:01:42those you know to bring together into a
1:01:45unified physical field what is now two
1:01:48separate two separate you know one is a
1:01:50set of fields and the other one is the
1:01:52you know SpaceTime yeah and gravity yeah
1:01:56and if we say the saty is uh um the say
1:01:59is who we are yeah exactly it's who we
1:02:01are right and and and and is a Quantum
1:02:03field with with with this characteristic
1:02:06yeah but an identity the identity is the
1:02:09identity my identity is how one has seen
1:02:13itself when it created me yeah oh
1:02:16exactly you're like a a a like a frame
1:02:19at a c the universe yeah imagine you
1:02:22know it's a beautiful way to to
1:02:25understand this imagine that you have a
1:02:28multi-dimensional thing okay is a
1:02:31multi-dimensional object
1:02:33multi-dimensional meaning in N where n
1:02:36is potentially infinite Dimensions how
1:02:39can you know this object you can know
1:02:41this object by looking at this object
1:02:44through all the dimensions that are
1:02:47orthogonal that allow you to look at
1:02:49this object each each each look you see
1:02:52something then the next look you look so
1:02:54you're doing a tomography graphy of an
1:02:57end dimensional thing so is one doing a
1:02:59tomography on itself you see yeah and
1:03:03and what happens I mean for people to
1:03:06understand what happens when we die and
1:03:08the say we don't go anywhere because we
1:03:10never wear in the body it's the body
1:03:13that dies we don't we don't
1:03:15die but something something changes
1:03:18right so because the same of course yeah
1:03:21the Cy that see a portion of the S
1:03:25called ego is the portion of the s that
1:03:28thinks to be the
1:03:30body when the body and so it looks at
1:03:33the information that the body provides
1:03:35about what about this other world seen
1:03:39through the body so the the you know our
1:03:42senses our brain you know takes
1:03:45information from here but most small
1:03:48part of information I mean just just
1:03:50visual the visual thing that we see you
1:03:53know is this narrow band right I mean if
1:03:56I had cell phones instead of eyes I
1:03:58would actually now be able to listen in
1:04:01to the 30,000 conversations that are
1:04:04going on that are here here here here
1:04:07here they're all
1:04:09here yeah and I could see them I could
1:04:12hear them I I could you know do this but
1:04:15I only see this band there is no you
1:04:17know there is no communication in this
1:04:19band there are other stuff and we see
1:04:21this worldall we construct it with the
1:04:22body the body the output of the body
1:04:25which is in the cells is quantum that
1:04:28out that Quantum output is what the
1:04:30fields perceive as color for shapes
1:04:34sounds and so on the qualia the qualia
1:04:37do not exist in the body they exist in
1:04:39the field and the qualia is this are
1:04:44representable with Quantum State Quantum
1:04:48state is how the quantum field transform
1:04:53translates this information in this
1:04:56which is I call it live information is a
1:04:58type of information that has not been
1:05:00studied at all not even imagined at all
1:05:03which is in between Quantum information
1:05:05and classical information it is the the
1:05:08stuff that makes the cell work because
1:05:11if you take an electron take an electron
1:05:13an electron
1:05:15is
1:05:17matter
1:05:19energy and information can you separate
1:05:23these three in an electron is it element
1:05:26particles there you go so they are
1:05:29connected they yeah and it's like in in
1:05:31the cells There's no distinction between
1:05:33artware and software right they are like
1:05:34totally mingled that's right in in a
1:05:36computer they are separated because a
1:05:38computer is a deterministic
1:05:40reductionistic structure yeah not a cell
1:05:44not not the deeper aspa but basically
1:05:47you're saying so when the moment I die
1:05:49the the everything Consciousness remains
1:05:51just this narrow banded Avatar like uh
1:05:55VR hats said that expans like well
1:05:58basically you know I I look I kind of
1:06:00say in the book uh irreducible you know
1:06:04I I I explained this by saying imagine
1:06:06that you control a drone you know we are
1:06:09a body controls a drone there is in
1:06:11Afghanistan you know watching around and
1:06:14semi-autonomous so I don't have to worry
1:06:16about to you know I only have to to to
1:06:21express where I wanted to go so high
1:06:24level language you know say move right
1:06:27or whatever drop the bomb or whatever
1:06:29you know because that's what we do with
1:06:30drones in these days but you know so so
1:06:33but anyway so so now the Drone looks at
1:06:37that reality where it is sends me
1:06:40information and I get the I get the
1:06:43conscious experience of what the Drone
1:06:46is seeing that conscious experience is
1:06:48not in my body is in my
1:06:51Consciousness and based on that and
1:06:54based on my free will I tell the Drone
1:06:56what to do the Drone doesn't know
1:06:59anything now take this image oh and when
1:07:02they you know somebody shoot it down you
1:07:04know shoot it down you know you were so
1:07:07focused on that drone that you only saw
1:07:10what the Drone was seen because you were
1:07:13piloting it and you were
1:07:15concentrated then when the Drone doesn't
1:07:17send you in a you look around you say oh
1:07:20my God there is another world here you
1:07:23see yeah that's that's the same thing
1:07:25the egg the ego when the body dies you
1:07:27know it doesn't look at the signals of
1:07:29the body anymore and he looks around oh
1:07:31I'm wow look at this and is it then
1:07:34I mean is it then are we sitting there
1:07:36then say these level Quantum saying okay
1:07:39let's go in again here's another headset
1:07:40try this one on and there we are again
1:07:42and a baby and it perhaps but I cannot
1:07:45tell you what happens afterwards but but
1:07:47certainly but certainly there are lots
1:07:50of you know near-death experiences that
1:07:53are actually you know giving you
1:07:56evidence of what I'm saying you know
1:07:57people that arrive at the hospital heart
1:08:00doesn't beat brain doesn't have any
1:08:03electrical signals they are clinically
1:08:05dead they're not dead clearly if they
1:08:06are resuscitated but but they are for
1:08:09all practical purposes dead okay and
1:08:12they have an experience in the hospital
1:08:14they see themselves in the operating
1:08:19table they later tell what's going on
1:08:23while the brain has no electric signal
1:08:26the brain is not functioning so how can
1:08:27you be outside of the body looking down
1:08:29at your body in in the operating table
1:08:32as cannot be explained right but of
1:08:35course now people say the scientist say
1:08:38well it's a fantasy come on mean it's
1:08:40impossible so that's it but that's what
1:08:42they do then they move outside of the
1:08:45you know they move in a different
1:08:46environment they meet people you know
1:08:48their parents that were dead and friends
1:08:50that were dead in some cases they meet a
1:08:53friend that was that they didn't know
1:08:55that he was dead then when they woke up
1:08:58wake up they they find out that that he
1:09:01died the day before and they didn't know
1:09:02and they met this person in that reality
1:09:06vaster reality they have an experience
1:09:08of expansion of love and joy and peace
1:09:12and then somebody tells him here to go
1:09:14back because you haven't done what you
1:09:15were what you came to this world to do
1:09:17and then they wake up in the post but in
1:09:20that sort of drone metaphor trying to
1:09:22understand this i' I've always what sort
1:09:24of uh what I hard to understand okay so
1:09:27if my body is this drone or or Avatar or
1:09:29just a headset then say the moment it
1:09:32dies what headset are you putting on to
1:09:34have like just hover around and and in
1:09:36this this in between space is that
1:09:38another headset or another that's a good
1:09:41question I mean I I'm asking that
1:09:42question and there may be in fact it's
1:09:45likely that there is another body I mean
1:09:48people that have study this thing talk
1:09:50about a astral body exactly stuff like
1:09:53that or etheric body and and uh you know
1:09:56so clearly there is another body if this
1:10:00is true but I believe it's true I
1:10:02actually went out of body too so I know
1:10:04that is not imagination you you know
1:10:07that you are a body like when this
1:10:08energy came out of me it was energy it
1:10:11was it was physical it was not you know
1:10:13it was not imagination it was physical
1:10:16like a like a
1:10:19hydrant how can I make it up so there
1:10:21are lots of levels to uh to get to one
1:10:24there are
1:10:26oh my goodness oh my goodness I mean the
1:10:29the quantum field of electrons is in
1:10:32this theory is conscious and has Free
1:10:35Will and he and he and he knows
1:10:38itself look at the you know and the then
1:10:41what are the electrons doing the
1:10:43electrons are the symbols that the
1:10:45quantum field uses to communicate with
1:10:47other fields all the electrons in the
1:10:49universe how many electrons are in the
1:10:52universe 10 to the 82 83 85 I don't know
1:10:55but numbers that are imag you know
1:10:58unimaginable just the field of electrons
1:11:02and all these electrons are its
1:11:04communication to the other fields to
1:11:06know itself how many Quantum fields are
1:11:08there or can there be 17
1:11:11yeah I'm I'm asking because people you
1:11:14also um call it quip right Quantum
1:11:17information pan psychism yeah and pan
1:11:19psychism is of course um I know your
1:11:22version of it is different but is sort
1:11:24of being criticized for the fact that
1:11:25you have the combination problem right
1:11:27why oh the there is no combination
1:11:29problem the combination problem Only In
1:11:33classical
1:11:35psychism people never have a theory
1:11:38nobody had a theory of quantum
1:11:41psychism the combination problem is not
1:11:44a problem in qu in Quantum psychism when
1:11:47you combine States Quantum States you
1:11:51create a new state which is more than
1:11:53the sum of the parts you can do that
1:11:55infinitely you can keep on do keep going
1:11:58you can keep on going of course you can
1:12:00so we have solved that problem and
1:12:02people that people that that say that
1:12:04they don't understand they don't
1:12:06understand what they're saying or they
1:12:07don't understand what we what we have
1:12:09developed this Theory Quantum you know
1:12:11the the combination problem is solved
1:12:13completely yeah it's it's classical
1:12:16psychism that doesn't solve the problem
1:12:18because in classical
1:12:20physics the the the the whole is only
1:12:23the sum of the parts you cannot create a
1:12:25hole that is more than the some of the
1:12:27parts and that's why I was criticizing
1:12:29emergentism before because people many
1:12:33physicists think that there is emerging
1:12:35emerging properties in the purely
1:12:38classical World it cannot be emergentism
1:12:42requires quantumness and they don't
1:12:44realize because there is no boundary
1:12:46between classical and Quantum and so
1:12:48there is a seing from Quantum you go to
1:12:51classical and then they call emerging
1:12:53property as if he came from the
1:12:55classical no it comes every creation
1:12:58comes from the quantum World from the
1:12:59inner world is there an end point to the
1:13:02universe in a sense that can one no you
1:13:06already said that the moment it knows
1:13:08itself it splits off again in another
1:13:09part hole so this will keep on going
1:13:12forever in this theory
1:13:14yes uh I you know but who knows right I
1:13:18mean but but certainly there is no you
1:13:21know there cannot be any end and the
1:13:23reason is that you know that yourself
1:13:26the more you know there the more there
1:13:27is to know because to know more you make
1:13:30connections new connections and as you
1:13:33make new connections you open up you
1:13:36open up other possibilities so it it is
1:13:39an explosive thing and in again purely
1:13:44this is hypothetical but I I think they
1:13:47has possible legs why is space
1:13:51expanding faster than light
1:13:55at the at the edges you know because is
1:13:58basically there is ever space is like a
1:14:00balloon that that inflates and this is
1:14:02the very you know inflation no the
1:14:05inflation was the early part of the
1:14:07universe this is not called inflation
1:14:09this is just the the you know this is
1:14:11just this is a consequence of having
1:14:13found that there is the university is
1:14:15expanding exponentially at the at the in
1:14:18the Orizon so which can only be
1:14:21explained if there is a the the the the
1:14:24universe is is growing the space is
1:14:27growing from
1:14:29within okay in in my model my model
1:14:34space is the
1:14:36memory of the self- knowing of one and
1:14:39because one knows ever more about itself
1:14:42space must inflate must grow
1:14:48exponentially and you know that you know
1:14:51that Quantum states only exist within a
1:14:55very narrow
1:14:57present so in order to remember your
1:15:01experience you must put it into
1:15:03long-term memory that's our Theory also
1:15:06is selling that very clearly so now this
1:15:12present enriches itself of all the past
1:15:17that you have
1:15:18experienced but when you want to
1:15:21experience the past you can only
1:15:23experience that in the present so
1:15:25experience can only exist in the
1:15:29present here you uh here you and
1:15:31Bernardo can shake hands as well and um
1:15:34okay so free will is fundamental
1:15:36Consciousness is and universe wants to
1:15:38know itself but does it
1:15:41also create a Consciousness a sayy in
1:15:46that as a sort of a purpose do you think
1:15:48you were born with a certain purpose or
1:15:50sort of that I think so yeah I think so
1:15:54and and the reason Reon why I am at
1:15:57peace with myself and happy about you
1:16:00know my life what I do is because I I
1:16:04know that I'm doing what I came here to
1:16:06do I know it you know because how can I
1:16:10you know I wake up with new ideas why
1:16:14you know but they all connect all this
1:16:17stuff that I'm talking to you about you
1:16:19know it's like my mind keeps on running
1:16:22around finding where there are holes and
1:16:24in understanding is is not complete or
1:16:25whatever you know why am I doing
1:16:29that it's beautiful and it and what it
1:16:31sort of rings with me is that that that
1:16:33the Universe then somehow is thinking to
1:16:35itself okay let's look to me because
1:16:38it's one from this different perspective
1:16:41and let's really do that let's become
1:16:43Federico let's become Hans let's become
1:16:45that's right and and really look at
1:16:47ourselves from that perspective from
1:16:48that perspective and then you know but
1:16:50then then you and I can know each other
1:16:54can and enter into resonance by
1:16:56communicating because I
1:16:58cannot
1:17:00directly give you what I'm what I know
1:17:04and what I feel right and likewise for
1:17:06you so we had to communicate and that
1:17:09communication brings into inner
1:17:11resonance and if we keep on doing that
1:17:14after a while we if we can create the
1:17:17same state internally you and I from
1:17:21that Unity of State then the just like
1:17:25the quantum superposition then you get a
1:17:27new
1:17:28entity but that new entity does not
1:17:31destroy who we are basically we we can
1:17:35create another Society like us like one
1:17:38create because we have the same
1:17:39properties of one right except with one
1:17:42point of view instead of the
1:17:43multiplicity of Point points of view of
1:17:46one so I create I can create another
1:17:49another Cy like myself but not copy
1:17:53myself so when the this when we reach
1:17:55that you and I create another society
1:17:58and the two join and they become one
1:18:01which is with the two points of view
1:18:03join the two points of view mine are
1:18:05yours you know that now become a new
1:18:08combined point of view that now has its
1:18:11own life and you know it proceeds what
1:18:14that takes what that takes is like truly
1:18:15connecting you said coming becoming into
1:18:18resonance which is something different
1:18:19than just exchanging classical
1:18:21information right yeah that's right but
1:18:22that that that resonance means is a new
1:18:25Quantum State we are building a new
1:18:27Quantum state which is the a common
1:18:29understanding the common understanding
1:18:31creates a new Society of a higher level
1:18:34so we create a higher
1:18:36cities so we are a very high level but
1:18:39there are still many levels above us and
1:18:41this is where things can take off
1:18:43because if we look at the world right
1:18:44now at AI we're talking classical
1:18:46information we're shutting ourselves off
1:18:48behind screens sharing classical
1:18:50information with our bits it's not this
1:18:53information you're talking about not all
1:18:55not at all and and and besides we gave
1:18:58that knowledge to the
1:19:00computer didn't build it itself I mean
1:19:03we we gave him the data we exposed him
1:19:06to that information even if it's oh in
1:19:09order do everything by itself yeah sure
1:19:12yeah tell me about it it's all
1:19:16I mean and yet is very useful
1:19:19so I'm I'm not I'm not you know I'm
1:19:21actually happy with if if AI was used
1:19:24properly it could speed up our our self-
1:19:27knowing and everything else very rapidly
1:19:30but I'm afraid that if we don't change
1:19:32it will not be used in this form yeah
1:19:35that's
1:19:36all thank you so much
1:19:39fredero um my pleasure yeah it's been a
1:19:41great
1:19:43talk amazing amazing thank you so much
1:19:46thank you so much
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