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0:01What's a belie?
0:08[music]
0:12Hey, [music] here's a challenge for you.
0:14Open up your book. Can you read it and
0:15explain to us how I ain't a crook? I see
0:17you can make it pretty, but it's not
0:18about the look. Because the words and
0:20what they mean is why you always getting
0:21cooked. Easy [music]
0:28man. Word did his thing on that.
0:30[laughter]
0:30>> Word did his thing on that. What's up
0:32everybody? We are live finally after uh
0:36struggling a little bit in the
0:37background, but we here man. We got the
0:39team here. What's up everybody?
0:41>> What's up? What's going on?
0:42>> What's up?
0:45>> Yeah. Okay, we got JLC. They said hi.
0:48David looks confused. IP, what's going
0:49on with you, man?
0:50>> I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Thanks
0:52for having me today on this lovely Ash
0:54Wednesday.
0:55>> It was not a pleasure. the Islamic
0:58daminator. What's up, man?
1:00>> Hey, what's up, man? It's uh first day
1:02of Ramadan, so we know uh Shikman's
1:05gonna be ready to debate.
1:07>> Um I don't know if he knows what that
1:09is, so
1:10>> Oh, yeah. He doesn't know what a debate
1:12is.
1:12>> He doesn't know what a debate is.
1:14[laughter]
1:15>> He doesn't know. So, uh but you're
1:17right. It is the first day of Ramadan,
1:20and it looks like we decided to do
1:22something special today. We decided to
1:25have a very very very wellthoughtout
1:29topic today considering Muhammad and his
1:33prophethood i.e. [snorts] Muhammad was
1:35demonpossessed and bewitched. Ladies and
1:37gentlemen, if you are surprised by that,
1:39>> then you've been living under a rock.
1:41And so if you disagree with us that
1:44Muhammad was bewitched, that Muhammad
1:47was demonpossessed, had Satan whispering
1:49in his ears, and he's repeating the
1:51words of the devil, then you're welcome
1:53to come up and change our minds. Prove
1:55us wrong. Show us how what we're saying
1:57is actually not accurate. Okay. Um, this
2:02should be a fun topic, right guys? It
2:04should be should be good, huh?
2:06>> Oh, yeah. Good one to start with. Good
2:08one to start with on Ramadan for sure.
2:10>> I think so. I think I think it's
2:12appropriate. I think it's appropriate.
2:14Uh let's read some super chats as we're
2:16getting into this. Um and then we're
2:18going to go ahead and try to see if we
2:20have any guests that would like to
2:22participate. So um we got a super chat
2:26from Faith Questions Official says lots
2:29of Muslims come to Christ during and
2:32after Ramadan which starts today. Should
2:35be exciting time. Should be an exciting
2:37time. Absolutely.
2:39Um, Patriotic Z says, "I blame the Turk
2:43some how it is him." JK.
2:47>> That makes sense.
2:49>> Bak says, "Verse of the day from the red
2:52book, chapter 2, the Quran is right
2:56because it never been wrong." # what's a
2:58debate. Yeah, believe it or not, guys,
3:01that is an actual quote from a Muslim on
3:03why he believes the Quran is true. And
3:06so that made it into the red book.
3:08Absolutely. [laughter]
3:11Um, logic is late because Allah is the
3:14best deceiver.
3:16See?
3:18Uh, let's see. Let's see. And we got
3:20Jules says, "Let's guess how many. I'm a
3:24Christian, but a but I have a question.
3:26On a Muslim only stream, I'm guessing
3:29seven. I hope that you're a false
3:31prophet."
3:33>> Guys, it was bad last night. I went live
3:35last night. I got nothing but Christians
3:37coming up, man.
3:38>> On YouTube as well. Because I know it
3:40happens mostly on Tik Tok, doesn't it?
3:41It's like
3:42>> Oh, yes. On YouTube. They came up on
3:44YouTube as well. A couple of them.
3:46>> They waiting YouTube now, too.
3:47[laughter]
3:48>> It says join if you disagree. And we got
3:52Christians coming up. Hey, I'm a I agree
3:55with you. But but but
3:58[sighs]
3:59uh let's see. We got Happy BHM. my wig
4:04IP and Jai. Hi, Christina.
4:08>> Hi.
4:11What is Oh, Black History Month. Okay.
4:12Yeah, that's hilarious. [laughter]
4:14>> Hey, it was just you. I said the same
4:15thing and they were like, "Check out me
4:17if I'm really American or not." I'm
4:18like, I just didn't know what it stood
4:20for. [laughter]
4:23So,
4:24>> your one of your favorite fans said,
4:25"Hi, Christina." I don't know why
4:28Sparkly isn't muted just yet. Yes.
4:31Um, what is your preferred way of
4:33reaching skeptics? God bless Jesus
4:36Christ. May he crush the Quran of Islam.
4:43IB, what's your uh what's your preferred
4:45way of reaching skeptics, man?
4:47>> Skeptics?
4:48>> Yeah.
4:49>> I mean, there's no preferred way. It
4:52depends on the person, depends on what
4:54they're what they're struggling with.
4:55You have to
4:56>> and what kind of what degree of
4:57skepticism they are.
4:59>> Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. If you got
5:00someone who's like a Jesus mythist, you
5:02oh, we got a lot of problems. You got
5:03someone who's just doubting the res the
5:05resurrection, you little a little bit
5:07little bit easier. I mean, if someone's
5:08doubting gospel reliability, you go
5:10there. If someone's doubting God's
5:11existence, you go there. I mean, it
5:13depends.
5:14>> Yeah. There's a uh there's a definitely
5:16a healthy degree of skepticism because
5:18if not then you're just you know you'll
5:20just fall for anything because you'll
5:21believe anything anyone tells you like
5:22uh then people will call you the ear or
5:24something like that
5:26[laughter]
5:27>> want to be like that. Um but yeah you
5:29have you have kind of degrees you have
5:30people are kind of like okay I'm going
5:32to need to see some some really good
5:34evidence for this or something. And then
5:36you get to like Richard Dawkins level
5:38where in his uh interview with Peter
5:40Begoian, Begoian asked, "What evidence
5:42hypothetically could convince you?" And
5:44um Dawkins said, "Well, you know, years
5:46ago I would have said, you know, a big
5:47booming voice or something like that."
5:49And he said, "Eventually I realized, no,
5:50if I heard a big booming a big booming
5:52voice, I would conclude that I'm
5:53hallucinating." And so it got to the
5:55point where he said even if a message
5:57was written out in the star saying,
5:59"Richard Dawkins, believe in me." He
6:01said he still wouldn't believe because
6:02he could just attribute it to uh
6:04powerful aliens. If someone's like that
6:05level where they're basically telling
6:07you no amount of evidence would ever
6:09convince them, but please convince me.
6:11Please provide me evidence. I'm telling
6:13you in advance, no evidence will
6:14convince me, but go ahead and argue with
6:16me. Um, there there you just have to
6:20kind of point out the absity and then uh
6:23>> Yeah. All right. Good stuff, fellas.
6:26Let's see.
6:28Sabbath breaker turned ape. [laughter]
6:33Ah,
6:34>> that's a good that's a good one.
6:35>> That is [laughter]
6:38>> Sabbath breaker turned ape says, "I
6:41heard this song somewhere and now it's
6:44stuck in my head. You don't worship what
6:46I worship. I don't worship what you
6:49worship."
6:50>> Yeah, that was uh yesterday. Um people
6:53were talking about the eloquence of the
6:55Quran in Arabic. And so we had to give
6:57him an example of, you know, how
6:58eloquent the Quran is in Arabic. And uh
7:01we think we came up with a new dilemma
7:02with that as well.
7:04>> Yeah, the language dilemma.
7:05>> So basically, Muslims say that Arabic is
7:07the most eloquent language. It's the
7:10best language to deliver a message in.
7:12>> What language was the Torah and the
7:14Gospel revealed in? Was Allah less
7:15eloquent back then.
7:17>> And so
7:18>> that's there's your dilemma.
7:19>> So we're trying to see what Muslims had
7:20to say about that.
7:22>> Yeah. Wow.
7:24All right. All right. All right. We got
7:26a patriotic Z again says for healthier
7:29energy drink check out Ghost of Echelon
7:33owned by ex-military guys with zero
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7:44>> Um as far as energy drinks, the best
7:46energy drinks are uh zoot energy that'll
7:49keep you going all night long and mut
7:51water. Ma water.
7:53>> Ma water. Man, I cannot find muta water.
7:55And I I tried to go to In-N-Out against
7:56them, but they was like, "What is that?"
7:58[laughter]
8:00Unfortunate. It's hard to come by. Uh,
8:03Sister Earth to Origin says, "W big bro
8:07on that intro. We just read."
8:10>> Yeah. Word on that.
8:11>> That's right. That's the only thing we
8:13And that's the only thing we're going to
8:14do over here. Is that right, fellas? And
8:16my my sister. That's the only thing
8:17we're gonna do.
8:19>> We're just going to read the Islamic
8:20sources. All right. We don't have any
8:21guests up just yet, which is okay
8:24because I think that it's a good idea
8:26for us to kind of lay down the grounds
8:28of where we're coming from and why we
8:31have this what some might think is such
8:33an outrageous claim of Muhammad being
8:37demonpossessed. So, I'm going to read a
8:39couple more super chats, guys, and then
8:40we could get down into it and start
8:42breaking down why in the world we we we
8:44over here spreading this hate. Why are
8:47we spreading so much hate? We gonna we
8:49gonna see about this. All right. So, we
8:51got uh foreign 18 who says, "God bless
8:54everybody, man. I had to create a whole
8:56new account so I can send super chats in
9:00my main account. You are the only one
9:02who I can't send super chats to." What a
9:05hater YouTube is. Incredible. You guys
9:08are all God's gift to us, man. God bless
9:10you guys. U God does the work through
9:12us. So, uh thank you for that
9:15encouragement and thank you for that
9:16gift. Wow. go with the extra links just
9:18so that you can give monetarily. That's
9:20awesome. Thank you so much. Um, finished
9:24my Beepsy and Bopcorn before the stream
9:27started.
9:28>> Hey.
9:29>> Well, yo, we got
9:30>> we got the Bipsy.
9:33>> Put a B [laughter] on it.
9:34>> We got We got the bop going, baby.
9:38>> Oh yeah,
9:39>> we locked and loaded.
9:40>> I [laughter] got the Oh, I got a man.
9:42That's hilarious.
9:45Okay, I got to draw the B on it.
9:46[laughter] That's good. Uh, I'm a
9:49preacher. I really need training.
9:51Training for apologetics. Is that what
9:54you're saying? I'm assuming that that's
9:56what you're saying. That you're a
9:57preacher and you need training for
9:59apologetics. Uh, any tips, guys? Uh, IP
10:03David Wood for a preacher that is
10:06looking into apologetics and wants to be
10:08able to reach Muslims.
10:11>> Yeah. The the first thing I'd say is you
10:14need to actually watch a lot of these
10:15kind of call-in shows to kind of get an
10:17idea how to talk. Uh it's like it's like
10:20Aristotle Todd. The way you learn the
10:22best way you learn is best by learning
10:24from somebody or watching what somebody
10:26does. And like so if you want to be like
10:28an expert plumber, you go train under a
10:30plumber and you watch what he does and
10:31you repeat what he does. Same thing
10:33here. If you want to learn to do
10:35apologetics to Muslims, watch the Colin
10:37streams. Start to pick it up yourself
10:39and then you need to put it into
10:40practice. So go on some go on some Tik
10:43Tok lives and try to debate some Muslims
10:44yourself. You have to you have to watch
10:46and then you have to practice and then
10:48you'll eventually learn through
10:49experience.
10:50>> Yeah.
10:51>> I would add a definitely learn the
10:53Islamic dilemma. That will come in handy
10:56>> every single time because every
10:58conversation as long as you can show
11:00something from the Bible that conflicts
11:02with Islam they have to fall back on but
11:03your Bible's been corrupted. And so that
11:06isn't they they've just opened the door
11:08with that one.
11:10100%.
11:12Kashik in the house says, "My Jizia for
11:16my Muslim giving me the best Ramadan."
11:20Uh, ifar. Is that Does it say Iftar?
11:22>> Yeahar. Yeah.
11:23>> Nice, nice, nice. That's what's up,
11:26Kashik. [laughter]
11:28Um, Kashik is a is a is a brother who um
11:32I believe has recently left Islam a
11:35while ago. Hasn't
11:36>> really made it. He's hinted to it a lot.
11:39I think it's for a reason. So,
11:41>> hang on, hang on, hang on. Uh, he's
11:43bringing up Ramadan. Um, anyone else,
11:45anyone else thinking that this is going
11:47to be the best Ramadan ever?
11:49>> Yeah.
11:50>> Of all time, man. Ramadan.
11:53>> Yes. Yes.
11:54>> It's going to be crazy.
11:56>> All right. Uh, let's go ahead and get
11:57into this now, guys.
11:58>> Hold up. You got the shirt. I just
12:00noticed your shirt.
12:01>> You just I didn't notice it before.
12:03>> I wasn't even I haven't seen that one.
12:05[laughter] What's a debate?
12:07I wasn't even gonna say nothing, David.
12:09I didn't even I didn't even know you was
12:11gonna notice, man. You know, [laughter]
12:14you know what I'm saying? Well, we got
12:15some of your size, too, David. You want
12:17to rock one?
12:17>> Oh, I'm gonna rock one. All right.
12:19>> Oh, yeah. [laughter]
12:22>> That's right, guys. You can get your
12:23What's a debate shirt. And we're
12:26probably going to come out with some
12:27What's a debate draws. Get your what's
12:30[laughter]
12:35Oh man, so funny. All right. So, to get
12:38into the topic, uh, so that we can, uh,
12:40let the guests load up here. Um, where
12:43is it that we're coming from with this?
12:45Where are we getting it from that
12:46Muhammad was demonpossessed? Where is
12:49this coming from? Is this out of
12:51nowhere? Is this just Christian rhetoric
12:53to just hate on Muhammad or do we have a
12:56basis for this claim?
13:00>> Um, we I'd say we definitely have a
13:02basis. Um, you've got an Iban Assoc. The
13:05uh Bedawin family that his uh mom sent
13:08him to live with uh eventually sent him
13:11back and they said it's because we think
13:13he's demonpossessed. Um so that was when
13:16that was when he's a little toddler. So
13:18something going on there. And then later
13:20on when he's receiving his revelations,
13:22his first impression of them was that he
13:24was possessed by some sort of jin or
13:26something like that. it was his wife and
13:27her cousin who convinced him that he's
13:30not possessed. He's actually um a
13:32prophet. So whatever he encountered, he
13:35was convinced that it was uh something
13:37like demonic and it was people who
13:39weren't there who had no idea what he
13:41encountered who convinced him uh out of
13:43that view. But yeah, he was convinced
13:45that it was uh something like possession
13:47by some sort of jin. He became uh
13:49depressed and suicidal, tried repeatedly
13:51to hurl himself off a cliff. Um so you
13:54have those kinds of things and then
13:56later on you have him with the satanic
13:58verses
14:00um delivering a revelation that promoted
14:03polytheism and then you know eventually
14:05he came back and said sorry the devil
14:07made me do it. So um even according to
14:09him even according to him he couldn't
14:11tell the difference between something
14:13coming from God and something coming
14:14from Satan. M
14:16>> and then you have uh uh when he was
14:19bewitched when someone uh he was having
14:21delusional thoughts and false beliefs
14:22for uh between between 6 months and a
14:25couple of years depending on who you go
14:27with and this gave him delusional
14:29thoughts and false beliefs. But you know
14:30when they when he finally snapped out of
14:31it he says because someone cast a spell
14:33on me. So, black magic uh black magic
14:36had power over him. And apart from all
14:38that, it's just like you look at the way
14:40he received his revelations with his
14:42face turning red and he would sweat even
14:44if it's cold and he flop over on the
14:46ground and so on. Just uh it sounds like
14:48something out of an Exorcist movie.
14:50>> Yeah.
14:51>> And not like what we're familiar with in
14:52the Bible, people receiving revelations.
14:54And you on on top of all that, you look
14:57at the Bible. Um, we're told what the
15:00gospel is according to the Bible. And
15:04um, we're told about false prophets.
15:06False prophets are going to come. What
15:07are they obviously going to do? They're
15:08going to lead people away from the
15:10gospel. Muhammad comes along and oh,
15:12just happens to deny Jesus death,
15:14resurrection, and deity, the core
15:16elements of the gospel. And so, uh, it
15:20all it all fits together pretty well.
15:23>> Yeah. I don't I don't know what you're
15:25reading. I don't know what sources
15:27you're reading from, but it just those
15:28sound very is like very Islamophobic
15:30sources. Just seems
15:31>> Yeah, very Islamophobic.
15:32>> Yeah.
15:32>> I just want to add one one more hadith,
15:34one more reference in there. So, there
15:36was a time when Muhammad was reciting
15:38chapter 30 in the Quran and he confused
15:42it with another part of the Quran. Why
15:45did he confuse it? Because he said that
15:47somebody didn't wash themselves
15:49properly. So, they didn't do the the
15:51woodoo or the evolution properly. So
15:53that gave Satan the ability to overpower
15:56Muhammad. So when Muslims are reciting
15:58the Quran, they say that the Quran is
16:01what overpowers the devils and what
16:03overpowers the jin and any spiritual
16:05forces that are attacking them that this
16:06has power over that and they can, you
16:08know, subdue the evil forces by reading
16:10the Quran. Except if you're the prophet
16:12of Islam and someone forgets to wash.
16:15>> Oh god. So if someone else forgets to do
16:18something that gives Satan the ability
16:20to confuse even the prophet of Islam and
16:23he puts words in his mouth and changes
16:25up
16:27uh chapter 30 with another, you know,
16:29part of the Quran.
16:30>> Hold up, hold up, hold up, hang on, hang
16:32on.
16:34>> Yeah,
16:34>> hang on. If someone not washing proper,
16:37if an if one of Muhammad's followers not
16:40washing properly
16:42um would give uh weird spirit beings
16:46power over him and so on. That kind of
16:48explains all of uh all of the Quran.
16:51>> There you go.
16:52>> Cuz I know a bunch of these guys weren't
16:54washing properly. Come on.
16:56>> Yeah.
16:57>> Well, he wasn't washing properly.
16:58>> Yeah. So, him himself. So imagine that
17:01someone else doesn't wash properly and
17:03that can give Satan the ability to
17:04affect you as a reader of the Quran.
17:08>> It's so weak.
17:09>> And in the meantime, in the meantime, in
17:13the meantime, Muhammad's going around
17:15covered in semen.
17:17>> And then it said he would have sex with
17:18all his wives in one night and like only
17:20take one bath and stuff. So this guy not
17:23the most hygienic dude on the planet. Uh
17:27definitely. Imagine having that poor
17:29hygiene and then blaming someone else
17:30for not washing properly.
17:31>> Right.
17:32>> Yes. It's it's Abdul over there. It's
17:34him. [laughter]
17:36>> I blame Abdul.
17:37>> I [clears throat] just saw you I just
17:38saw you in the water with some dead dogs
17:40and all this stuff. It can't be me.
17:41>> No, it wasn't me. It was that guy. It
17:42was Abdul. Abdul.
17:44>> I'm perfect. It has to [laughter] be
17:45someone else.
17:47>> Well, this this is a little it's it's
17:49interesting because guys, you you know
17:50how these live streams go. I'll usually
17:53have guests ready, lined up to get in,
17:57get in the action, man. I mean, we just
18:00had we was just talking about Jesus
18:01being God and a bunch of Muslims came
18:04up, you know, was ready in line, you
18:07know. Um, I don't see I don't have any
18:10guests right now. Do Do you think that
18:13that's peculiar?
18:14>> They're not even going to defend their
18:16prophet on Ramadan.
18:18>> Not on Ramadan.
18:19>> Wow, man. They just gonna let this slide
18:21all of Ramadan.
18:23>> Whoa.
18:24>> Ramadan.
18:24>> Cuz we could talk about this every day
18:26of Ramadan.
18:27>> I was going to say we can keep running
18:28the topic until we get some. [laughter]
18:31>> Already um eating for tomorrow. They're
18:33preparing or shopping for all that food.
18:35>> Yeah, that's what they're doing. Yeah.
18:37Yeah, that's what
18:39>> Ramadan.
18:40>> How can we defend Muhammad when we're so
18:42busy?
18:43>> It looks like we might have somebody. We
18:45might have. Let's Let's see how this how
18:48this how this goes, man. Uh,
18:50>> what is this? Ma Muhammad. What's up,
18:52Muhammad?
18:53You're on stage. Muhammad Raka,
18:58>> you tried to change your name to John
18:59Bark.
19:04>> Come on.
19:04>> Don't be ashamed of your name, man. All
19:07right.
19:08>> It's okay, bro. You can you can go ahead
19:09and unmute. It's all right.
19:11>> Hello. Hi. Uh,
19:14>> how you guys doing?
19:15>> Pretty good. Are you Are you a Muslim,
19:17man?
19:17>> Uh, yeah. I am.
19:19Why'd you uh why'd you change your name?
19:21>> I was just trying to go anonymous. I
19:23don't like putting my name out there on
19:24the internet and stuff.
19:26>> Oh, okay. All right. Fair enough. So, uh
19:29what do you what do you think of uh the
19:31topic today, man? Muhammad was
19:32demonpossessed and bewitched, bro.
19:35So all I would say is that like um you
19:41God Logic and David you guys have
19:44affirmed in like many debates that at
19:47least you believe that the Quran
19:50confirms the uh the Old Testament and
19:54the New Testament the Bible and you've
19:56also said that
19:58>> and you've also like proved in your
20:01debate standards that um the like Quran
20:05proves some form of like divinity within
20:08Jesus.
20:09>> Um so my thing would be how can you say
20:12that the Quran was demon inspired while
20:15also believing that it affirms the Bible
20:18and your beliefs?
20:20>> No. [snorts]
20:21>> Yeah. So
20:22>> that's by the way that's Fared's
20:23response to the Islamic dilemma.
20:24[laughter]
20:25>> What's wrong with that?
20:26>> Oh that Yeah. So, so I think that you're
20:29getting you're getting a little uh I
20:31think uh confused on when we make this
20:34when we do our critiques against Islam
20:36or the Quran. We're we're we're showing
20:39you what the Quran claims. Not that we
20:42believe in what the Quran is saying, but
20:45this is what the Quran claims. So, like
20:46for example, the Quran does claim to
20:48confirm our scriptures. That's the
20:50claim. Does it actually? No, it doesn't.
20:53And that's what the dilemma is, is that
20:55it claims to confirm, but really it
20:57doesn't. It's exactly in contradiction
20:58to our scriptures. So um and and this is
21:02the problem. This is how you know you
21:04know it's man-made or inspired by some
21:07false entity because it has these
21:09contradictions, these lies, these
21:11falsehoods and attacks the core doctrine
21:14of of the gospel message of Jesus
21:17Christ. Um, yep. I think he was uh I
21:20think he's speaking along the lines of
21:22because we're talking about whether
21:23Muhammad was possessed and then he said,
21:25"So, if you think the Quran was inspired
21:28by Satan, uh, those are kind of two
21:30different things, right? You can believe
21:31Muhammad was possessed, but that the
21:32Quran is a has a mixture of sources that
21:35some of it is demonic nonsense that he
21:38was spouting and that other stuff he's
21:40just it's what he's hearing from other
21:42people. So uh just because you believe
21:44someone is demonp possessed doesn't mean
21:46that everything that person says is
21:48coming from a demonic source. You can
21:50believe Muhammad's uh uh just coming up
21:52with stuff based on all the people
21:54around him. So you so I mean basically
21:56it's like [clears throat] that that's
21:58somewhere that's somewhere in the realm
22:00of my view. It's that Muhammad is
22:03hearing things from around him. So he's
22:04hearing uh old wives tales and so on.
22:08He's hearing uh Christians and Jews talk
22:11about what's in their sources. But he's
22:12also hearing Christians and Jews talking
22:14about what's in like like apocryphal
22:16sources and so on. He can't tell the
22:18difference. So, um I think it's pretty
22:21clear that Muhammad's getting a lot of
22:22stuff just from the people around him.
22:23That was that was a regular uh
22:25accusation against him in the Quran. And
22:28so the point here is there's no it's not
22:30some eitheror. It's not you have to
22:32believe that everything he got was
22:34demonic or you have to believe that
22:36everything came from God or you have to
22:38believe that everything was just you
22:40know him inventing things. You don't
22:41have you you don't have to uh just just
22:43pick just one source. It could be a
22:45combination of of factors.
22:48>> Yeah. I've also heard I mean Muslims
22:49seem to have this idea that like Satan
22:51is like this like the smartest creature
22:53in all creation and stuff and like he
22:55would never ever do something that
22:58doesn't make sense or he wouldn't do any
22:59like like he wouldn't go against God for
23:02example. He wouldn't sin against God.
23:03It's like you're talking about the devil
23:05here. You're not talking about God. So
23:06they attribute, you know, God's
23:07brilliance to the devil and they say,
23:10"Well, why would the devil if if if we
23:13do accept that which said you don't have
23:15to accept that every single word
23:17Muhammad uttered doesn't necessarily
23:19have to be inspired by Satan, but even
23:20if you accepted that as a premise and
23:22said, okay, even if it's just the devil
23:24speaking through Muhammad, he's just the
23:26devil's voice piece." That doesn't mean
23:28that the devil can't make mistakes. And
23:30so if the devil is trying to win
23:32Christians and Jews over, hey, we're
23:34affirming your book just to win them
23:36into Islam, that doesn't mean that all
23:38of the, you know, the Islamic dilemma is
23:40now solved or something like that
23:42because you have uh, you know, a demonic
23:45source for the, you know, Muhammad's
23:47words or something. So I, so I don't
23:50know how,
23:51>> well, we know from the Bible that demons
23:54mix truth and falsehood.
23:55>> Yeah. They confess there's one God.
23:57Demons called Jesus the holy one of God.
23:59That was correct.
24:00>> Yeah. [clears throat]
24:01>> The devil himself tried to tempt Jesus
24:05in the wilderness by quoting scripture
24:07>> to try to get him to do wrong. They mix
24:10the devil mixes truth and falsehood.
24:12>> Muslims seem to think that, oh, if it's
24:14all devilish, then what does the Quran
24:15tell me to honor my parents?
24:17>> You think the devil will come at you
24:18with horns and say, I'm the devil, I'm
24:21bad. No. What the devil does is deceive.
24:23It mixes He mixes truth and falsehood.
24:26>> Yeah. So the devil will tell you Jesus
24:28in the Quran Isa is the word of God
24:31which is true and he's the spirit of God
24:34that tells you he's special but then the
24:36one thing that you need for to be saved
24:38is to believe he was crucified. It
24:39denies that bit.
24:41>> So that's so just because the devil
24:44talks even if the devil is talking and
24:46it's just the devil doesn't mean
24:48everything he says is wrong. He mixes
24:49things to deceive you. That's how he
24:51works.
24:51>> Yeah. And I heard I heard many years ago
24:54uh while I was still locked up from uh
24:56when I was still a pretty new Christian
24:58um old old Bible teacher who was in his
25:0180s, but uh he said that um the purpose
25:04of a counterfeitter. So he's talking
25:06about counterfeit money. Said the
25:07purpose of a count the goal of a
25:09counterfeitter isn't simply to make a
25:10fake bill. It's to make a fake bill that
25:14looks as authentic as possible. And so,
25:17yeah, along the lines of what doc was
25:19pointing out, it's like Satan's not
25:20going to come and say, "Do every evil
25:22thing that can possibly that you can
25:24possibly come up with." It's let me give
25:27you a bunch of true things that you know
25:28are true and make sure you never accept
25:32the gospel. And so, um,
25:36>> so
25:37>> yeah, and yeah, and I just wanted to add
25:39one thing as far as uh as far as
25:41possibilities here. Um, another
25:44possibility is that even as Muhammad's
25:46getting stuff from his own mind and from
25:49people around him and hearing stuff from
25:51Jews and Christians and everyone else
25:53and being under the influence of uh,
25:58Satan and uh, possibly being possessed
26:00by a demon. It's also possible that the
26:04true God is looking at this and saying,
26:07"You know what? I'm going to make sure
26:09there's material in there,
26:11>> right,
26:11>> that will eventually completely
26:13undermine Islam and lead tons of people
26:17out of it. And so, um, you can believe
26:19that. I I I I made a video once
26:21comparing that to like the exploding
26:23paint packs in, uh, banks when someone
26:25comes in to rob the bank and say, "I
26:26want to take all and they put exploding
26:28paint packs in there and they explode
26:29later and and and expose the person." uh
26:32something along those lines where where
26:34the true God's like, I'm going to make
26:36sure this stuff is in there so that
26:37people can eventually point it out and
26:40lead people out of Islam.
26:43>> Got it. Thank you. It was really just
26:45that one objection because I want like
26:47if you guys think the Quran doesn't the
26:49Bible then to me like it just didn't
26:51logic follow. But thank you for
26:52>> but now now that you see that at least
26:54we don't believe we're being
26:55inconsistent on that. How do you deal
26:57with the Quranic material, Islamic
26:59material that we shared that says that
27:01Muhammad was possessed by demons? What
27:03how do you deal with that as a Muslim?
27:05>> Uh can you give me an example of one of
27:07the proofs?
27:08>> Yeah, we just went to like chapter 22:52
27:11for example in the Quran. Chapter 22:52
27:14uh just as an example says that not just
27:16Muhammad but that messengers and
27:19prophets even before Muhammad that Satan
27:21throws into what they speak. So he adds
27:24something in and then Allah
27:25>> is 2252.
27:27>> Yeah. Chapter 22:52. And then Allah uh
27:30like abolishes it or takes it away. So
27:33there's a background to that. But before
27:35we get to the background, I just want to
27:38know how you understand that.
27:40>> Mhm. Um so should you want me to read
27:43the translation or
27:45>> do you know the background? Do you know
27:46why Allah revealed that verse?
27:48>> You know what the the Satan threw into
27:51Muhammad's speech? not aware.
27:53>> Uh okay. So you need to go to you know
27:55the reason for revelation for surah 22
27:58verse 52. Um we can give you the link if
28:01you like in the in the chat or something
28:04like that. Um and it says that Muhammad
28:06actually uttered uh words that glorify
28:11three goddesses of the at the time.
28:15You know that one? Yeah.
28:17>> Chapter 53.
28:18>> Chapter 53 verse 19 to 20. And that he
28:21said that the devil said that he that
28:24these meaning these goddesses are the
28:26mighty cranes the and their intercession
28:29is hoped for. Quraysh heard him
28:31>> and they were happy by they were pleased
28:33by that
28:33>> and they all frustrated. They all sujud
28:36in including why because he mentioned
28:38the goddesses
28:39and then Gibl had to come to him and say
28:42why did you do that? You just uttered
28:44kufur right and so Muhammad was very sad
28:47about that. He didn't realize that that
28:49was from the devil and he just said it
28:51as Allah's words. So Allah revealed that
28:53verse saying don't worry about it. All
28:55our messengers we do the devil gives
28:58them something from him
29:00>> and they fall for it. That's surah
29:0122:52.
29:03So
29:05>> that's the background of that that
29:07verse.
29:08>> What I'm reading in the like translation
29:11it says Satan would influence the
29:13people's understanding of his
29:14recitation.
29:16What? What? Where is the word people?
29:19What what what translation is that?
29:21>> I just opened up crown.com.
29:23>> Okay. If it's if it's in brackets, it
29:25means it's not really in the verse.
29:28>> It's in brackets, it means they added
29:30it.
29:30>> So, let let's just work with what uh so
29:32I don't know if So, that's Doc, daughter
29:34of Christ. So, if let's just work with
29:36what daughter of Christ just said. If
29:37that's true, give us your take on that.
29:40>> Yeah. Do you even know that story?
29:41>> Uh, no. I'm not. So, so if that's true,
29:45if that's not like a fab, we didn't just
29:46make that up where it's not a
29:47fabrication, what would you make of
29:48that? That your prophet was under
29:51demonic influence to where he got people
29:53to bow down to goddesses and then later
29:56on realized he made a mistake.
30:02>> Would that shock you even?
30:07>> Are we still here? Hello.
30:11>> He's gone.
30:12>> Oh. Oh, man. All right. Pray pray for
30:14that guy. Pray for a John Bark.
30:16>> John Bark. You know what I'm saying?
30:18>> We'll play We'll play We'll pray for
30:19John Bark.
30:21>> Uh let's see. We got another guest here.
30:24Um
30:27what what's what's your name, man? Male.
30:31>> Hello.
30:33>> What's up, man? Are you a Muslim?
30:35>> Yeah.
30:37>> What can I call you?
30:40>> You can call me male, I guess.
30:43Okay, we'll go from there. [laughter]
30:45>> I think in I think inspiring philosophy
30:47might remember me like I spoke on this
30:49channel once
30:50>> um about Shiloh I think.
30:53>> Um Shiloh Shiloh the Shiloh prophecy.
30:58>> Oh, Genesis 49. Yeah.
31:00>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um
31:02>> so you're saying that in the Quran uh
31:05Muhammad was possessed according to
31:06chapter 22 verse uh
31:12I forgot the verse 52. Okay.
31:14>> Yeah.
31:14>> So what in that verse makes you think
31:16that it implies possession or taking
31:19over any part of the body?
31:22>> Well, what's your understanding of the
31:24verse? And then you go to the background
31:26for why the verse was revealed. That's
31:27what we uh were looking into with the
31:29other guy.
31:31Okay. Um, I don't see anywhere in the
31:34Arabic that assumes that it's a part of
31:37Muhammad's body or that it's his actual
31:39speech. Um, the word for speech that you
31:42guys think it is, it's a very rare
31:44translation for it to be speech. It's
31:46most in the Quran, the word is used for
31:50desire, wishes.
31:52>> Okay. So, right, the word Alka, do you
31:54know what Alka means?
31:56Alkar. Uh, what's alka?
32:02Yeah. Is that speech?
32:04>> No. Ala means he threw.
32:08>> Okay. The word after that is soan
32:13through. Okay.
32:15>> He in.
32:17Let's go with what you say which is in
32:19his desire.
32:21>> Are you happy that
32:23the Satan or Shaitan threw something in
32:25your prophet's desire?
32:28There's no issue with him interrupting
32:30with his desire. If he wants to preach
32:32the message, Satan can stop him and be
32:34like, "No, no, don't don't." Like people
32:37just Okay. Do you know the word after
32:40that? You know what the word mean?
32:44>> What does that mean?
32:46>> Okay. It means abrogates.
32:47>> Yeah. So Allah abrogates what he threw
32:50what Satan threw in.
32:51>> Okay. So Allah and then he says
32:55then Allah makes his verses precise.
32:59>> Uhhuh.
33:00>> So whatever Satan threw into your
33:04prophet's desire
33:05>> desire
33:06>> got into Allah's verses. That's why
33:09abrogated.
33:11>> It doesn't say Allah abrogated versus
33:13satanic verses. It says
33:15>> it says that Allah abrogates what Satan
33:18threw into his desire.
33:20>> Okay. So whatever so what right if I
33:22could then what does Allah do after that
33:24>> if I could explain so Satan he stops
33:28>> um he wants to stop Muhammad from
33:30preaching so he can make him afraid he
33:32can uh the Quran actually uses the word
33:35m meaning the touch of Satan to refer to
33:38his own whispers if you go to chapter 14
33:41>> no there's no word mus in that verse
33:43>> yeah because in chapter 14 22 it says
33:46Satan's only power is that he calls
33:49people he can't uh it says his only
33:51authority is that he calls you.
33:54>> Okay.
33:55>> And you respond to him. If that's his
33:56only power, then it means he can't
33:58possess.
33:58>> No, but I get that.
34:00>> Wait, wait, wait. Satan can't possess.
34:02>> Satan can
34:02>> No, I don't believe in demon possession.
34:04>> Wait, wait. Do you believe Do you
34:06believe in the Sunnah or are you just a
34:07Quran only Muslim?
34:09>> I'm a Quran only Muslim.
34:10>> Oh, okay. Okay.
34:11>> Okay. That's that's why that's
34:12different. Okay. Even with Quran only.
34:14>> Yeah.
34:15>> If it's just thean doing the mess to
34:17him,
34:18>> Allah doesn't need to abregate anything
34:19cuz the mess the only thing that Allah
34:21needs to abrogate is what gets into his
34:23verses. You agree?
34:25>> Yeah. But Satan can stop Muhammad and
34:27any messenger from preaching. Like they
34:29can make them afraid.
34:30>> Preaching doesn't need to be abrogated.
34:32Abrogation is only for verses. You
34:34agree?
34:34>> No. He No, no. He God can abrogate what
34:37Satan tries to do as well.
34:39>> Okay. Why not?
34:40>> Abrogation is for verses. Correct. or
34:42abrogation is for
34:43>> unfor's influence unforgation
34:47is for verses because in verse 106 Allah
34:50says we we abrogate verses he doesn't
34:52say we abrogate desires or whatever else
34:54you say
34:54>> it doesn't mean he can't abrogate
34:56anything else
34:57>> do you have evidence do you have
34:58>> evidence that he can abrogate speech of
35:01just anyone
35:03>> why not like uh what makes it logically
35:06impossible how is that impossible
35:07>> the contention here is since you're only
35:09Muslim uh it limits with where we can go
35:12with the argument but we can still say
35:14in this verse because this says that
35:16Allah has to what do what afterwards
35:17after he abrogates what does he do he
35:19clarifies
35:21the verses
35:22>> doesn't say Muhammad's speech or
35:23preaching no he clarifies the
35:25>> vers the prophet wishes to preach
35:28through wait
35:30>> whatever Satan threw got into your
35:32Allah's verses that's why he said
35:35what Satan threw in the verses
35:37>> it doesn't say in the verses though it
35:40doesn't say he threw in the verses
35:43means to abrogate. Allah himself
35:45abrogates what Satan through then makes
35:48precise his verses and we know 106 that
35:52Allah only abregates his verses.
35:54>> It doesn't say he only abrogates that
35:56you're adding that detail. It doesn't
35:57say he only abrogates that
36:00evidence that Allah abrogates anything
36:01walking around that that
36:03>> why can't why that's just stupid. Why
36:05can't you do that?
36:06>> It's stupid to provide evidence. So if
36:08you're saying that other things can be
36:10abrogated, you need to provide evidence
36:11for that. What else can be abrogated
36:13according to the Quran?
36:14>> Yeah. The Quran only verses can be wait
36:18abrogation is for verses. Surah 2 vers
36:20106
36:20>> only verses. The verses only verses.
36:22>> I I have I have a question. I have a
36:25question guys. So my brother, so when it
36:27says that according to you, you're
36:29saying that all that Satan threw into
36:32Muhammad's desires
36:33>> and then right after it talks about how
36:36Allah after Muhammad throws into Satan's
36:39uh I'm sorry, Satan throws into
36:40Muhammad's desires, Allah then has to
36:44clarify his verses. What is the
36:46connection there? Why why is Allah
36:49having to clarify his verses after Satan
36:51threw desires into Muhammad?
36:54Okay. So it says it doesn't say
36:56clarifies he he perfects his verses. So
37:00Satan he comes he stops Muhammad from
37:04saying the verses of God. He makes him
37:06terrified etc.
37:11>> But it also doesn't say speech. Like
37:12there's nothing in here that can ever
37:15Why is it speech? Why is
37:18>> Let's go let's go directly with
37:20everything we're saying. Let's we're
37:21sticking with just desire. So for you to
37:25assert that he was stopped from
37:27preaching Allah's verses, that's you
37:29adding to the verse. All right. So let's
37:31stick straight strictly.
37:32>> I would think that's his desire.
37:34>> Okay. Well, let's let's strict straight
37:36to the verse what the verse is saying.
37:38It says that if all if we're going with
37:39your interpretation that it's the
37:41desires that Satan threw in. My question
37:44was why then does Allah have to come
37:47right after that and perfect his verses
37:50or clarify his verses? Because Satan
37:52tries to stop Muhammad from doing his
37:54desire of preaching the message.
37:56>> Okay, but pause right really really
37:57quick. If if Satan stops Muhammad from
38:01speaking or reciting the verses of
38:03Allah, then there's no verse to perfect,
38:06right?
38:07>> No, he can he can make him afraid. He
38:09can make him stop. He can interfere with
38:12his desires
38:12>> if he's afraid. If Satan throws into his
38:15desire, so which makes him afraid to
38:18speak the verses of Allah, to recite the
38:20verses of Allah.
38:21>> Yeah.
38:22>> Therefore, the verses of Allah have not
38:24been spoken yet. They have not been
38:25revealed or to to the masses yet. They
38:27haven't been
38:29>> Yeah. It becomes clarified later. Yeah.
38:31>> Right. So before it's spoken, before
38:34it's spoken, there's no need for any
38:36clarification yet, right? There's
38:38nothing to be perfected, right?
38:41Um, there's nothing to be perfected. Uh,
38:46yeah. No, there is because God already
38:48gave the revelation for Muhammad to say,
38:50but Satan interfered with his desire.
38:52>> Where does it say that?
38:53>> But you're adding But you're adding the
38:55word speech. Where does he speak?
38:57>> Can I ask question? Can Can I ask
38:58question? Muhammad says the verse
39:00perfectly from Allah. He doesn't change
39:02it, right? Say to
39:04>> Muhammad doesn't change it.
39:05>> Yeah. Let it's up to according to you
39:08the verses from Allah were not changed
39:10by Satan. Correct?
39:12>> No, they weren't changed by
39:14>> Muhammad just said it perfectly. The
39:16only thing that Satan touched was his
39:18fear.
39:19>> So why does Allah say then perfect my
39:22verses?
39:23>> Because he didn't say the verses yet.
39:27>> So why do the verses have to be
39:29perfected or fixed?
39:31>> It doesn't say to be fixed. It says to
39:32be clarified like he's going to clarify
39:34the verses. It doesn't say,
39:36>> but you we just you just agreed that
39:37Muhammad said the verses perfectly.
39:39Satan didn't touch the verses, right?
39:40>> Oh my gosh.
39:41>> Satan. No. No. It doesn't say he spoke
39:43in the in the verse. Satan threw into
39:45his speech. You're adding that into the
39:47verse. The Arabic doesn't say that.
39:49>> That's what the verse says.
39:50>> The Arabic doesn't say speech. Okay.
39:52You're just putting that in.
39:53>> Okay. I'm asking you.
39:54>> Well, he's throw Okay. So, what is what
39:55is he throwing?
39:56>> Yeah. What is he throwing into
39:57>> into desire? The word is always used for
39:59desire in the Quran.
40:00>> Okay. So, the desire is for what? What's
40:01the desire for? to preach the message.
40:04>> So did he So did he did he preach the
40:06message or was he stopped?
40:09>> He was stopped. He he he was feared. He
40:12couldn't be feared. He Satan interfered
40:14with that.
40:14>> He was stopped. What is there to be
40:16clarified? What is there to be
40:18perfected? If he was stopped,
40:22>> what needs to be clarified
40:24yet?
40:26>> So what is the point of saying that he
40:29clarifies the verses if the verses Which
40:32okay which verse are you reading the
40:34same verse as me?
40:35>> Same one 2252 the one that you've been
40:37arguing that Satan doesn't throw into
40:39his speech but his desires. So in the
40:41same verse right after it says that uh
40:44doc pointed out that it says is it says
40:47that Allah then verifi clarifies or
40:50perfects his verses. What is the link
40:54there if his verses were not spoken yet?
40:59Okay. So,
41:01um
41:02>> it it also says it doesn't say God look
41:06God look Satan also say
41:09it also says Allah takes out what Satan
41:11throws in.
41:13>> Yeah. He he takes out what Satan throw
41:15in in his wishes in his desire
41:18>> and then his verses become clarified.
41:20>> What Satan threw in his desire and then
41:22perfects the verse.
41:24>> Yeah.
41:25>> He makes the verses perfected. The
41:27perfection of the verse is by Allah
41:28taking out the bad from it. That's what
41:30it says. Allah does the nasty.
41:32>> It doesn't say bad from the verses.
41:34>> It says Allah abolishes it.
41:37>> Allah abolishes what Satan threw into
41:39his desire and then God lets his verses
41:43be perfected. So if God doesn't let his
41:45verses one one second, one second. If
41:47God doesn't let his verses be perfected,
41:50that means they weren't read. So they
41:52weren't perfected.
41:53>> Wait, where are you getting that from?
41:54Why are you adding things? It it
41:56perfecting me means something's already
41:57there. Like I'm perfecting my hair. My
41:59hair is already there. If he's saying
42:01the verses have never been there, then
42:03that means there's nothing to perfect.
42:04The verses were there. Allah came in to
42:07fix what Satan threw in and then perfect
42:09the verses by taking out what Satan
42:11threw in. That's what the verse says.
42:13>> Thrown into what?
42:15>> Threw into the verse.
42:17>> It But it doesn't say that though.
42:18You're adding that. Like you can say I'm
42:21adding that. I can say you're adding
42:22that.
42:22>> Yeah. I I want I want to know. I want to
42:24just make sure I understand your
42:25position. So I'm not even arguing with
42:26you. I just want to make sure I
42:27understand your position. So your
42:28position your position is is that
42:30Muhammad starts reciting one of the
42:32verses of Allah. Satan comes and
42:37>> what's that?
42:38>> No, I'm not even saying that. I'm not
42:39even saying that.
42:42>> I'm saying that Muhammad comes to
42:43preach.
42:44>> Muhammad doesn't even get to recite the
42:47verse because Satan throws into his
42:49desire to stop him from reciting the
42:50verse. That's his position. So before he
42:53even says anything about Allah's
42:54>> before he says anything Jai before he
42:56says
42:57>> yeah and he has verses before that that
42:59he's read that if they are stopped with
43:01those verses if they don't have the next
43:03verses then they're not clarified and he
43:06has read before just the whole movie man
43:09thanks for coming
43:10>> none of that is said
43:11>> no but it does
43:12>> thanks for coming appreciate it
43:14[laughter]
43:14>> you just wrote
43:16>> bro making up stuff
43:19talking I was talking to him about
43:21Genesis 49 United I felt like kind of
43:22like getting like flashbacks for that
43:24like he would say something I'm like
43:25that's not what the verse says. It's
43:26like, man.
43:27>> Yeah, man. It's like,
43:28>> do do you guys see what the Muslims have
43:30to do? Even the Quran only Muslims and
43:32they and they're the ones who go at the
43:33Sunnis because they say the the Quran
43:36only Muslims will say how clear the
43:37Quran is, how clear its verses are. But
43:40this Quran only Muslim is coming up here
43:42saying that Allah's verses needed to be
43:44clarified, needed to be perfected. But
43:47when they talk to Sunnis, they say
43:48Allah's verses are all perfect and and
43:50clear and clarified so that you don't
43:52need anything outside of them. You see
43:54it depending on who they talk to,
43:56they're going to switch their position.
43:57Secondly, it doesn't make any freaking
44:00sense for if Muhammad was stopped from
44:03saying the verses, what is there to
44:05clarify then?
44:06>> Right?
44:07>> Why is Allah clarifying his verses if
44:09his verses didn't come out? What is he
44:11doing?
44:12>> Beautiful, beautiful.
44:14>> Yeah. I I just wanted to point out in
44:15defense of the Muslims who have
44:17completely different positions and some
44:19of them are saying, "Oh, it's so clear."
44:20And some of them are saying, "Ah, it's
44:21so hopelessly confused.
44:25Allah was really confused about all that
44:26too. So in some verses, yeah, I'm so
44:28clear. I'm as clear as day. Everything's
44:30as clear as it can possibly be. And then
44:32in other verses, who knows what I'm
44:34saying? No one knows except me, maybe.
44:38>> Yeah.
44:39>> Abrogation is just for Allah's verses,
44:41you guys. It's not for anyone that
44:42anything anything that anyone says.
44:44>> Allah never explains what he means in
44:46this perfectly clear book that always
44:48confuses everyone who reads it.
44:50>> It's very cool. Now this is interesting
44:51though because everything that I look at
44:53it says that uh that that Satan like
44:57when when they spoke or when they
44:58recited and then Satan threw in right um
45:02where is he getting desire from?
45:05Uh I think it's the word which means his
45:08desire and if you go to uh the the
45:12reason for um revelation as it actually
45:15goes worse. It says his desire was to
45:17glorify
45:20glorifying their goddesses and that's
45:22why he said it. It actually makes it
45:23worse. It's not like he said fear.
45:26>> If if if you take these sources which
45:29>> are hundreds of years old talking about
45:31why that verse was revealed. Uh it's
45:34because Muhammad's desire was to win
45:37back his people in Quraysh by glorifying
45:40their goddesses and even names the
45:41goddesses Ala and Manet which they come
45:44in surah
45:46>> uh 53 53 the next surah sorry the
45:49another surah
45:50>> yeah 53 1920
45:51>> yeah so
45:53>> it's crazy work
45:54>> yeah so basic so basically as far as the
45:57uh actual historical background of 2252
46:01it's as clear as day and really really
46:03bad for Islam. But if he's going Quran
46:06only and I don't trust any of these
46:08sources, then okay, we have to throw out
46:10the 50 sources on the satanic verses and
46:13um he could just make of make of that
46:14verse whatever he wants, I guess.
46:16>> Yeah.
46:17>> If you go Quran only, it doesn't even
46:19say it's Muhammad.
46:21>> That's true.
46:22>> Could be anyone.
46:22>> That's Yeah, that's that's another
46:23point.
46:24>> If you go Quran only, you don't know
46:25who's what your feet from your head.
46:30>> That's good, guys. We got uh 4,300
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46:525,000. Maybe even six. Man, I guess
46:54everybody loves this topic, y'all. They
46:56they liking this one. Shoot. I'm a
46:59genius for coming up with this all by
47:00myself. [laughter]
47:02>> Wow.
47:03>> Gonna be a fun Ramadan, man.
47:05>> Fun Ramadan, man. All right, let's go
47:08ahead. We got Truthfinder. How you
47:10doing, man?
47:11>> I'm all right. Hello. I got I got a
47:14question for J and dot.
47:15>> No, no. As long as it's on the subject.
47:18>> Um, yeah. Basically, remember J when
47:21when
47:22>> one second. One second, bro. Chill.
47:23Chill. What' you say, Jai?
47:25>> He was what? Uh this guy um he's he's uh
47:30he's like you know how we were talking
47:31about how you got some fans? He's
47:32>> he's like
47:35one of those
47:37>> actually he's a big fan of David
47:38actually. [laughter]
47:39>> Well
47:40>> I got I got question like him.
47:42>> I want to make an admission. Um Giant
47:46remember when you emailed me saying why
47:49did you copyright strike me and you took
47:51my IP address? It was me that
47:54copyrighted you. I made you famous. You
47:56should congratulate me for making you
47:59famous.
48:00>> Thank you for
48:01>> Thank you for making us famous. You're
48:02helping us kill. Well done.
48:04>> Oh, thank you. And you know the person
48:06told me to do it.
48:09>> It was it was it was what's the name?
48:10Ali Dawa. He told me to copyright you.
48:13>> Oh yeah. Ali Dawa told you to copyright
48:15us
48:16>> and making us better.
48:20>> Yeah.
48:21>> Yeah.
48:21>> It was me. It was me that don't do diet
48:24apologetics.
48:26>> But um
48:27>> wait, hang on, [laughter] hang on. Just
48:29to be clear, is this guy saying he he
48:31gives like false copyright strikes and
48:32stuff? [clears throat]
48:33>> Oh, block this dude, man.
48:35>> I would kick this guy and block it.
48:37>> Yeah, it was me. It was me. Um but you
48:40know, I I retracted them and you got
48:42your channel back.
48:44>> Very very generous.
48:45>> So what was the point?
48:46>> Very generous of you to copyright strike
48:48us and then
48:48>> take it [laughter] back. So what was the
48:49point of that? You just abregated your
48:51copyright.
48:52>> All right. Anyway, so
48:53>> all right.
48:54>> The heck?
48:55>> My goodness.
48:56>> All right.
48:56>> You know, I I was just saying this last
48:58night. We deal with Unitarian
49:01Antichrists,
49:03Jehovah's Witnesses,
49:05LDS,
49:07Hebrew Israelites. We deal with
49:09atheists. We deal with all kinds of
49:12antichrist, anti-gosspel
49:16philosophies and religions and mindsets.
49:19Islam in my in my experience now I'm
49:23only you know a few years into this but
49:25in my experience Islam breeds the
49:28weirdos
49:30like I I don't get this same level of
49:33weirdo
49:36dealing with other cults and other
49:37antichrist positions
49:40more more than Islam man. Islam is crazy
49:42with it. They're like breeding them in a
49:44factory a factory of weirdo breeding. a
49:47factory of a factory of first cousin
49:50marriage breed.
49:51>> It's quite it's quite simple. I mean the
49:53Quran says they are the best of people.
49:55Allah is raised up. It says Jews and
49:57Christians are the worst of creatures.
49:59That creates psychologically speaking a
50:01superiority complex. They just assume
50:03they're better, smarter at everything
50:05they do. And that's going to cause them
50:07to act in ways that are just arrogant,
50:09prideful, and downright stupid at the
50:11same time. So this is what this is what
50:13happens when you're telling your own
50:15folks you're the best. you're the best
50:17and everyone else, the your main
50:19competitors, the Jews and Christians,
50:20they're the worst. You're going to have
50:22this superiority complex. You're going
50:23to look down on other people and that's
50:25going to manifest in all sorts of
50:27arrogant, prideful, and stupid ways.
50:29>> My goodness.
50:30>> Yeah.
50:31>> All right. Well, we got uh another guest
50:34here. How you doing, man? I can't read
50:36your name. What What can I call you?
50:40Uh you're on stage. Leor or something?
50:44Leor Rickberg. Oh, oops. I didn't say
50:48I'm not a Muslim. I just came to to say
50:51thank you guys for the good work from
50:52Israel.
50:53>> Just want to listen from Yeah.
50:55>> Thank you, friend. Thank you. Thank you
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51:05before you hit the link, it does say
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51:25All right. All right. Let's see. Uh,
51:28let's see. We got somebody named Freeden
51:31on Tik Tok [snorts]
51:33[cough]
51:34who [clears throat] wants to try to come
51:35on up.
51:37Freeden, how you doing?
51:40>> I'm good. Alhamdulillah. How are you
51:42doing?
51:42>> Pretty good. Pretty good. Can you guys
51:44all You guys can hear him clearly,
51:46right?
51:46>> No.
51:46>> Nope.
51:47>> Oh. Oh, sorry. I have it muted. Sorry.
51:51Uh, there we go.
51:53>> All right. Say something again. Freedom.
51:56>> Hello.
51:57>> Oh, there's better. Awesome. All right.
51:59What What do you think about the topic,
52:01man? The top the topic today is that
52:03Muhammad was demonpossessed and
52:05bewitched. What do you think?
52:08>> I think it was not Muhammmed. I think it
52:10was Paul because Paul sees Jesus in his
52:14vision and I I think he sees as Satan,
52:18you know.
52:19>> Yeah. What about what about Muhammad
52:20though? What do what do you think about
52:21Muhammad being uh being bewitched and
52:24demonp possessed?
52:27>> He can't be because God is protect him.
52:30>> Oh, every single do.
52:34>> Yeah. He's his prophet. You know what is
52:36a prophet?
52:36>> What's a prophet?
52:37>> You know,
52:38>> it's not your prophet.
52:39>> Not Muhammad.
52:40>> He's He's an anointed one. Yeah. He's a
52:42He's from Ismile. You know, you can
52:47>> Is Muhammad the Messiah?
52:50>> Sorry.
52:51>> You just called You just called him the
52:53anointed one. That's Messiah. Did you
52:54just claim that Muhammad is the Messiah?
52:57>> The Messiah. The Messiah was sended to
52:59the lost sheep of Israel. He was
53:02>> Okay. You called you called Muhammad the
53:04anointed one. Messiah anointed one is
53:06Messiah.
53:08>> No, Muhammad is the seal of the
53:10prophets. He have the mark.
53:11>> So he's not so he's not the anointed.
53:13>> He have the mark. The Jews saw this mark
53:15that he is this seal of the
53:18>> the mole. They saw the mole, right? They
53:19saw the mo.
53:21>> No, no, no, no. Listen. He want they
53:24they wanted to have according to Islam.
53:27According to Islam, the seal of the
53:28prophets is the mole that Muhammad had
53:29on his back.
53:30>> The hairy mole on the shoulder. You know
53:31that one.
53:32>> But we don't want you to get past this.
53:33You just called Muhammad the anointed
53:35one. So are you saying he's the Messiah?
53:37>> He's the prophet. Yeah. He's the last
53:39prophet. The
53:40>> He must be [laughter]
53:43the anointed one. The anointed message.
53:47You have the uncorrupted message of God.
53:49He has challenged the Quran. [laughter]
53:52>> Freedom. There is no human bring only
53:54one verse of the Quran. One only one
53:57first.
53:57>> Freedom. God challenge you. 1,400
54:0147 years.
54:03>> Get off the stage.
54:04>> Just here.
54:05>> Oh gosh. Muhammad Mo proves that he is
54:08the Messiah and that [laughter]
54:12>> why talk like it's a cross word puzzle.
54:14>> Yeah.
54:15>> I need one one coherent thought that
54:18leads to another coherent thought.
54:19>> He's just all over the place. The crazy
54:21part, the crazy
54:22>> the crazy part is this is right after
54:25right [laughter] after Avery said this
54:27is only religion.
54:29>> Oh yeah.
54:31[laughter]
54:32>> Oh yeah.
54:35>> Yeah.
54:36>> Muhammad.
54:37>> Oh, it's going in the book.
54:38>> Oh book, man.
54:39>> Muhammad is the anointed one.
54:41>> Is the anointed one.
54:43>> That's that's my level.
54:44>> Yeah, that's my level.
54:46>> That's footnote level, man.
54:47>> Yeah.
54:47>> Yeah. Hey. Hey. Maybe he just saw that
54:50one little clip of Shikathman and didn't
54:51see anything after that. He's like,
54:53"Yes, Muhammad is a all prophets are the
54:55Messiah." [laughter]
54:58>> All right. That was Freedom. Muhammad is
55:00the anointed one. And he doubled down
55:02when you guys gave him a chance to
55:04clarify. He doubled down on it and said,
55:06"Yes."
55:06>> Hey. Yeah. Freedom. All you got to do is
55:08say, "Okay, I was wrong. I take it. I I
55:10withdraw that. It doesn't make any sense
55:12for me to say that Muhammad is the
55:13Messiah." That's it. That's all it
55:15takes, man. You guys, you guys can't,
55:16but you can't cuz uh as was just pointed
55:18out, you got all this nonsense about
55:20we're the best of peoples and they're
55:21all inferior and so you just like can't
55:22admit you're wrong. It's weird.
55:24>> Can't do it.
55:24>> Pretty much
55:25>> cannot do it. All right, let's bring up
55:27our next guest, man. Uh hello. And then
55:30we got Suna and Allah's Warrior coming
55:33up next. Hello. How you doing?
55:38Oh, didn't didn't connect there. Let's
55:41try Let's try again.
55:45You okay?
55:47You all right, Joy?
55:48>> Oh, no. I'm good. I'm good. [laughter] I
55:50like the accent. I like the accent.
55:52Appreciate it. Thank you. I appreciate
55:54it.
55:55>> I like the accent. It's good. It's good.
55:56[laughter]
55:58>> Um, what who is this? Uh, looks like a
56:00Colin P65.
56:03Looks like sounds like might be a
56:05Christian, honestly.
56:08Um, and they're not connecting either,
56:11so that's okay. So, we'll just uh bring
56:14up Suna, who I believe is ready to get
56:17down and dirty. Suna, how you doing?
56:24>> Sunna, you are
56:24>> I'm good, brother. How are you, man?
56:26>> Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Welcome, man.
56:28Welcome. What do you think of the topic,
56:29man, today? Yeah. Y'all making fun of
56:31the seal of the prophet.
56:34>> Yeah.
56:35>> Well, I hear a lot of [clears throat] I
56:37I hear a lot of making fun of the the
56:40seal of the prophet. Can y'all hear me?
56:42>> Yeah. Yeah. What's the seal of prophet
56:43according to Islam?
56:44>> There's a little delay, I think.
56:46>> Yeah. What's What's the seal of prophet
56:47according to Islam?
56:48>> Well, y'all making fun of the mole, but
56:50y'all y'all y'all ain't worthy y'all
56:52ain't worthy to kiss it with your with
56:54your dirty lips. Y'all ain't worthy
56:56worthy to kiss the mole of the prophet.
56:58Bless.
56:58>> We We would We would not want to do
57:01that.
57:03>> Only Only Muhammad's companions want to
57:05want to kiss his nasty.
57:08>> You You darn Skippy. I don't want to
57:10kiss no.
57:10>> See, that's what I mean. Y David, you
57:12always you're always being
57:14disrespectful.
57:15You're always being disrespectful to the
57:17prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
57:19>> But at the end, you're going to you're
57:21going to you're going to you're going to
57:22pay for that because there's an eternity
57:23waiting and you're going to be cast into
57:26into hell for making fun of the prophet.
57:28>> You you
57:29>> would you would you kiss Muhammad's mo
57:31if you had the chance?
57:36>> What he what he cut out here?
57:37>> If I was if it was a command to I would.
57:40But but I just I'm not committed. But I
57:42respect honestly I respect my prophet. I
57:44wouldn't I don't even feel worthy to I
57:47don't even feel worthy to touch to touch
57:49the the the sandals of the prophet.
57:51>> Don't kiss anything else.
57:52>> Yeah. So you're saying
57:52>> otherwise he would have kissed it if it
57:54was a command.
57:54>> You're saying that if Muhammad commanded
57:56you to kiss the mole, you kiss it in the
57:58Warner sense.
57:58>> See now y'all now y'all making fun now
58:00y'all and y'all can't get mad when
58:02people don't like Christians. Y'all
58:04being disrespectable right now. That's
58:05what I'm talking about. Y'all don't know
58:07how to have civil conversation.
58:09We're learn the devotion you have to
58:10Muhammad. We want to know in the Warner
58:12sense you would kiss the mall of
58:14Muhammad if he commanded you.
58:20>> If I if the prophet blessings and peace
58:23be upon him asked me to kiss his mo I
58:25would absolutely kiss his mo. I would do
58:26anything for the prophet. Wouldn't you
58:28do anything [laughter]
58:30in the in the in your fake Bible?
58:33>> Hey, I got a question. If you're if
58:36let's
58:36>> Wouldn't you do anything for the
58:37prophets in your fake corrupted Bible
58:39that King James rewrote?
58:41>> Hey, question. If the prophet wanted
58:43your your six-year-old daughter
58:45>> the fake Bible, the fake corrupted Bible
58:47that King James rewrote.
58:49>> Hey, question. If the prophet wanted
58:51your six-year-old daughter to grape,
58:53would you would you
58:54>> See, I'm not going to I'm not going to
58:55I'm not even going to I'm
58:57>> You said anything.
58:59>> That's That's you you you're being mad
59:01disrespectful. I'm not even going to I'm
59:02not even going to I'm not even going to
59:04answer that question. That's what I
59:06mean. Y'all wonder why Muslims don't
59:07like y'all. Y'all
59:08>> He just said it's You feel mad
59:09disrespectful. Said it's disrespectful.
59:11And it's literally what Muhammad said to
59:12Abu Bakr. Give me your six-year-old
59:14daughter.
59:14>> And you just said you do anything. Abu
59:16Bakr was in is in your camp. He's like,
59:17"Well, if Muhammad wants my six-year-old
59:19daughter."
59:19>> You're acting You're acting like You're
59:21acting like your prophets didn't marry
59:23young girls. You're acting You're acting
59:25like
59:26>> Who did Who did one?
59:27>> Name one.
59:28>> You're acting like your prophets didn't
59:29marry young girls. Who was the
59:31three-year-old? Name
59:31>> one.
59:32>> Let's talk about the three-year-old.
59:33>> Three-year-old. Which one? Who married a
59:35three-y old?
59:35>> Oh my goodness. Here we go.
59:36>> Who Who married the Bible?
59:38>> One of one of one of your prophets
59:40married a three-year-old.
59:41>> Chapter and verse. Show us.
59:42>> Chapter and verse.
59:44>> Not true, my friend. It's a It's
59:45>> Rebecca. Two or three years.
59:48>> It's in the verse. I'm not going to read
59:51it for you
59:52>> because it doesn't exist.
59:53>> I don't have one of your corrupted
59:54Bibles on the shelf.
59:55>> This is amazing. Look, you're sitting
59:56here lying to people. You're sitting
59:59here lying to people and telling us
1:00:00we're being disrespectful. What could be
1:00:02more disrespectful? Uh, what could be
1:00:04more disrespectful than claiming, "Oh,
1:00:06we respect these prophets." And then you
1:00:07lie about them and accuse them of having
1:00:10sex with three-year-olds. What the heck?
1:00:12>> What's wrong with you, man?
1:00:15We're being disrespectful. You just sat
1:00:17here and lied about a prophet, man.
1:00:18>> All I just want to call y'all, let y'all
1:00:20know, y'all can have your laughs, but
1:00:22Allahel, he's going to send y'all to
1:00:24hell. And at that moment it'll be too
1:00:26late and y'all going to be y'all going
1:00:28to have to eat crow for everything
1:00:30you're saying about the prophet
1:00:31sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
1:00:32>> If true if Islam is true you're going to
1:00:34hell because you're going to spend
1:00:36eternity def how you going to say I'm
1:00:37going to I follow the last prophet. I
1:00:40follow the sill of the prophets. How am
1:00:41I going to hell according to your lie
1:00:44about true prophets. So
1:00:45>> you lie about true prophets and your
1:00:46heaven is you go to
1:00:47>> I would rather do that than to burn in
1:00:49hell.
1:00:50>> You'd rather lie about prophets than you
1:00:52you said you'd rather lie about prophets
1:00:53than burn in hell. That's what he said.
1:00:55>> Prove it. Prove it.
1:00:57>> Prove it.
1:00:57>> He just said it.
1:00:58>> Prove no. So now what? One second.
1:01:00>> You just lied. What makes
1:01:01>> No, I said I would rather deflower
1:01:03virgins than to burn in hell.
1:01:05>> Okay. Okay. What makes you think? So now
1:01:07what makes
1:01:08>> I would rather deflower virgins than to
1:01:09go to hell.
1:01:10>> So no, just calm down. Just screaming.
1:01:12It's only little me.
1:01:13>> What? What? What straight man wouldn't
1:01:15want rather deflower virgins than to
1:01:17burn in hell?
1:01:17>> Okay, forget forget virgins for just a
1:01:20second. Just just give me one second of
1:01:22no virgins
1:01:23>> and sister you I'll forget your name.
1:01:25You you need to come back to you need to
1:01:27come back to Islam. You need to come
1:01:29back to your deed. You [laughter] need
1:01:30to leave this ridiculous Christianity.
1:01:32>> Ask you but just just lower the volume
1:01:34of the screaming just so I can
1:01:36>> Shame on you. I know your I know your
1:01:38family is very disappointed.
1:01:40>> I'm trying to ask you, man.
1:01:43>> What makes you think Muhammad's a
1:01:45prophet?
1:01:46>> This this right here. He's actually he's
1:01:48actually right. He has a point, guys.
1:01:49Sorry. He has a point.
1:01:51>> There it is. [laughter]
1:01:54>> Rebecca at three years old.
1:01:57>> How'd you get that, man?
1:01:58>> You even have a picture.
1:02:00>> Oh, he's got a video. He got a video.
1:02:03>> Watering the camels.
1:02:04>> Okay.
1:02:06>> Wow.
1:02:06>> Yo, they want me to go back to that. Ch.
1:02:09They want me to go back to these crazy.
1:02:11>> Yo,
1:02:13people
1:02:14>> to answer your question. To answer your
1:02:16and I'm sorry if it sound like I'm
1:02:17yelling. I'm driving right now. But to
1:02:19answer your question, to answer your
1:02:21question, why do I think why do I know
1:02:24uh prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi
1:02:25wasallam is a prophet is because he was
1:02:28foretold in the previous scriptures.
1:02:30Number one,
1:02:32every prophecy he gave
1:02:35the scriptures you just said are
1:02:36corrupted. He performed miracles.
1:02:38>> Hold up, hold up, hold up. You just said
1:02:40the scriptures are corrupted, but you
1:02:41said they prophesy Muhammad.
1:02:45>> That's not the scriptures. Oh scriptures
1:02:50say the scriptures I said your faith
1:02:52Bible is corrupted where I
1:02:53>> say the scriptures was corrupted.
1:02:56>> Okay. So you you just told daughter of
1:02:57Christ that scriptures that you don't
1:02:59have access to prophesied
1:03:01>> you destroyed them and you not changed
1:03:03them and [laughter]
1:03:05>> he said we destroyed them. He said we
1:03:06destroyed them. So they're destroyed. So
1:03:09in in scriptures that no one has access
1:03:11to anymore there's prophecies about
1:03:13Muhammad. If you're talking about
1:03:14scriptures, no one has access to. I can
1:03:15say you're I can say they prophesied
1:03:17you. You can make up anything.
1:03:18>> That's what original currently
1:03:20Christian. Can I ask you a great wisdom
1:03:23something? If Muhammad is in the in the
1:03:25p previous scriptures, why didn't Allah
1:03:27keep them preserved for us?
1:03:29>> But but
1:03:31>> did you hear? Did you hear my question?
1:03:33If Muhammad is in the previous
1:03:35scriptures, why didn't Allah preserve
1:03:36them so we can all see him there?
1:03:38>> They were preserved long enough for the
1:03:40for the
1:03:41>> I wasn't born I wasn't born then. I
1:03:42wasn't born for me. Remember, it's for
1:03:44them.
1:03:45>> You're asking me. Look, I I'm not no um
1:03:48scholar like that.
1:03:49>> Wait, wait. So, Allah didn't care
1:03:50enough.
1:03:50>> I'm not no scholar like that. Listen,
1:03:52hold up. Hold up. Whoa. You asked me a
1:03:54question.
1:03:54>> No, I didn't. I didn't.
1:03:55>> You asked me a question. You asked me a
1:03:57question. Let me answer the question.
1:03:58>> I didn't finish. I didn't finish. Allah
1:04:01didn't care enough for me to preserve
1:04:03them enough for my lifetime to see
1:04:05Muhammad in it. So, why should I follow
1:04:06your Allah?
1:04:08>> You got to You got to trust You got to
1:04:09trust the the ummah. You gota you got to
1:04:11trust the you got to trust the Sahaba
1:04:14trust me. They said it. [laughter]
1:04:16>> The biggest bunch of liars the world has
1:04:18ever seen said it. Doc, they they got
1:04:21they got zero receipts, but you just
1:04:23have to trust them.
1:04:25>> All I know all All I know is that Islam
1:04:29is the fastest growing religion.
1:04:31>> Pretty soon the UK and America and all
1:04:34y'all going to be under Sharia law
1:04:36unless
1:04:36>> false
1:04:38the
1:04:40So Allah didn't care enough for me in
1:04:42the 21st century to preserve his
1:04:44previous scripture for me long enough to
1:04:46see Muhammad in it.
1:04:47>> But he said that's why he became a
1:04:48that's why he said he knows Muhammad is
1:04:50a prophet because of that.
1:04:52>> That's the only thing how we know
1:04:53Muhammad is a prophet and Allah screwed
1:04:55it up by allowing it to not be
1:04:57>> and also this idea that that that that
1:04:59they're growing at that rate. It's not
1:05:01actually back do if you do the math the
1:05:02Muslim birth rate is 2.9. The non-Muslim
1:05:05birth rate is 2.2. But apostasy rates,
1:05:07we're seeing 26% of Muslim youth leaving
1:05:10Islam.
1:05:11>> 26%.
1:05:12>> So that percentage [laughter]
1:05:13that we
1:05:17>> But if you do the math, like roughly 75%
1:05:19of 2.9 is about 2.2.
1:05:22>> So about 75% of that 2.9 is a roughly
1:05:25about 2.2.
1:05:26>> And I have to say 100% of Muhammad is
1:05:31>> 1.8.
1:05:33>> Oh.
1:05:35Oh. Shots fired. Shots fired.
1:05:38>> Hey, but he really said he would kiss
1:05:39the mole in the Warner set virgins and
1:05:42give do anything for
1:05:44>> and his defense was he would do anything
1:05:46Muhammad said. So if Muhammad is like
1:05:47hey we're going to go out in the desert
1:05:49and I want you to join me on he'd be
1:05:51like okay he'll do it anything for you.
1:05:53>> What if he told him to stay? What if he
1:05:55told him to to to like come out of the
1:05:57diddy line like he told him like would
1:05:58he do that too?
1:05:59>> What if he told him to bend over?
1:06:02>> We we got we got two beautiful entries
1:06:04today. Muhammad is the anointed one from
1:06:06freedom. And if it was a command, I
1:06:10would kiss his mole. If Muhammad asked
1:06:12me to, I would kiss his mole. Of course,
1:06:15>> I kiss it like it's the black stone.
1:06:18>> Golly, man. We are barely an hour into
1:06:20the stream and we already got two new
1:06:23>> They want me to go back to that chat.
1:06:25>> Yo, yo, chat. They always go back to
1:06:27that.
1:06:27>> Yo, [laughter] chat.
1:06:29>> I want to burn you in hell.
1:06:30>> Yo, chat. Yo, chat.
1:06:32[laughter] I told you it's a superiority
1:06:34complex, man. I mean, they don't When
1:06:36you have a superiority complex like
1:06:37that, you don't think you actually have
1:06:38to use your critical thinking skills.
1:06:40You just assume you're right
1:06:42>> and you know, then you say stupid things
1:06:43because you just assume you're the best
1:06:45of people. You don't have to worry about
1:06:47thinking hard.
1:06:49>> All right. Well, we have uh Allah's
1:06:51Warrior will be next. We got uh 5100
1:06:55about basically 5,200 people watching.
1:06:57So, everybody again, let's smash that
1:07:00like button. Smash it like you fear
1:07:02disobedience from it. Go ahead and 434
1:07:05the like button, y'all. And uh we'll
1:07:07know that you're not kissing a black
1:07:08stone on the low. All right. So, Allah's
1:07:12warrior, man, you've been uh kind of
1:07:14hearing what's been going on. We believe
1:07:16that Muhammad was, you know, had some
1:07:17demon possession going on. There's
1:07:19something weird was happening. What are
1:07:20your thoughts?
1:07:21>> Okay, can you hear me?
1:07:23>> Yes, I can hear you.
1:07:25>> Okay. Uh first of all, I want to respond
1:07:27to the mole. Listen
1:07:30commandment there's nothing wrong with
1:07:33commandments of Allah
1:07:36is not big deal but
1:07:38>> the in regards of the demon position
1:07:41>> wait would you I want to I want to ask
1:07:44you then since you wanted to talk about
1:07:45the moment and clarify it and thank you
1:07:46for your clarification just just to ask
1:07:48you if Muhammad asked you to kiss his
1:07:51mole would you
1:07:55>> okay listen
1:07:57>> that means yes [laughter] command.
1:08:00>> Why? Why guys? Why would we say yes?
1:08:01>> Yes, I would smooch it.
1:08:02>> Okay, listen. If it is commandment,
1:08:04would would you not want to obey our
1:08:06Lord's commandments? If it
1:08:07>> No, no. If if if Muhammad said if
1:08:09Muhammad said, "Hey, man. Um I I I would
1:08:13really love it if you kissed my mole."
1:08:17>> Would you do it?
1:08:18>> French kiss it.
1:08:19>> Oh, in the Warner sense, would you kiss
1:08:22his mo if the prophet asked?
1:08:24>> I wouldn't I wouldn't do it if it is
1:08:26Muhammad saying it. If if Allah told
1:08:30Muhammad to say it, then yes, I I
1:08:32believe.
1:08:33>> Okay.
1:08:33>> Then yeah, you could kiss the ball for
1:08:35that.
1:08:35>> And how would you know if uh so so what
1:08:37if Muhammad said, "Hey, um uh Allah's
1:08:41warrior uh Allah revealed to me that he
1:08:44wants you to kiss my mole." Would you do
1:08:46it?
1:08:49>> Okay, sure. Yeah, sure.
1:08:51>> Oh, what what if it's just Suna like
1:08:54like kissing the black stone? Because
1:08:56Omar said that he's only doing cuz he
1:08:59saw Muhammad doing it. It wasn't a
1:09:01command for Muhammad to do it, but he
1:09:03just saw So if you saw a bunch of other
1:09:04dudes
1:09:05>> doing it
1:09:06>> like you know on maybe like 30 I don't
1:09:08know like you might have saw 30 guys
1:09:09doing this or something. Would you
1:09:11follow that example and do
1:09:13>> do it.
1:09:15>> If they are the companions of the
1:09:17prophet then yes.
1:09:19>> What if they're definitely companions?
1:09:21Yeah. He has some other names for him
1:09:22too, but they're definitely
1:09:25>> Why would you do that though? Why
1:09:28>> you don't think
1:09:28>> would you not want to? It is obeying
1:09:31whatever Allah says you do. It is not
1:09:33that difficult to understand.
1:09:34>> No, we're saying the creator of the
1:09:36universe.
1:09:37>> I think so.
1:09:39>> Okay.
1:09:40>> Okay. Sorry, David. Go ahead.
1:09:42>> No, [laughter] I got nothing.
1:09:43>> All right. So, if you said, so you said
1:09:45if Allah commanded, then you would kiss
1:09:49Muhammad's mole, right?
1:09:51Yes, I I would listen to anything or
1:09:53Lord told me to do, I do.
1:09:55>> Mashallah. Okay. Thank you. Um, thank
1:09:58you for your clarification, man. You
1:09:59you're you ride for your religion.
1:10:01That's all right. So, what about uh what
1:10:03about this uh Muhammad being having some
1:10:05demon possession, Satan throwing into
1:10:07his recitation? What what are your
1:10:09thoughts on that?
1:10:11>> Okay. So my rebuttal is that he could
1:10:15have not been demonp possessed because
1:10:17he was confirmed in the previous
1:10:20scripture. Therefore he could not be
1:10:23demon possession. So that would be the
1:10:26answer to this rebuttal.
1:10:27>> That's a good point. That's a good
1:10:28>> Yeah. Which scriptures that the
1:10:29scriptures that we have?
1:10:31>> Uh he is correct.
1:10:33>> Okay. Where?
1:10:34>> So yeah cuz the other guy said it wasn't
1:10:35in the scriptures we have. It was in
1:10:37imaginary scriptures that no one has
1:10:38access to. about these imaginary
1:10:39scriptures, they confirm Muhammad. And
1:10:41that's basically John Fontaine's uh
1:10:43position. But you're saying in the
1:10:45scriptures that we still have. So if you
1:10:47had uh if you had if you had to pick
1:10:50what is the most powerful
1:10:53prophecy about Muhammad in the previous
1:10:55scriptures that we have, what would it
1:10:56be?
1:10:58>> Um I I know there is a couple. I
1:11:02let me check. I remember seeing one of
1:11:05Solomon. There was another one in
1:11:09>> Let me Let me check.
1:11:11>> Do Do you know that you just called you
1:11:15>> Do you realize what you just said about
1:11:16Muhammad?
1:11:17>> Yep. It's pretty bad, man.
1:11:19>> You're talking about Song of Solomon
1:11:205:16. That's what you're going to where
1:11:22it uses the word makmadim in plural.
1:11:25>> Yeah. You just accused Muhammad of being
1:11:28a timetraveling transgender woman
1:11:34>> and gay. Um and and I'll explain to you
1:11:37how um
1:11:38>> or explain explain to me here.
1:11:40>> Yeah. So uh you appealed to Song of
1:11:41Solomon. I asked for your best one,
1:11:43right? There there are multiple verses
1:11:44you could have gone to. You picked uh
1:11:46the first one as uh Song of Solomon
1:11:485:16. Um and the only case for that I
1:11:50mean in in context it's Solomon's bride
1:11:54talking about Solomon's physical
1:11:56appearance and how he was just a total
1:11:58stud in like in every way. You get down
1:12:01to verse 16, she's still talking about
1:12:03her husb her her husband Solomon and she
1:12:08uh use she uses the word mahmad
1:12:10[clears throat] makmadin and so that
1:12:12means like something lovely or
1:12:14desirable. So Muslim Muslim da'wah guys
1:12:17they took that and said oh but you know
1:12:19Mahmad that sounds like Mahmad and so if
1:12:22it sounds like M you know Mahmad sounds
1:12:24like uh Muhammad and so it's actually a
1:12:26name. Now, what they don't tell you and
1:12:28they never tell you is that that word
1:12:30Mahmad is used in a bunch of places in
1:12:32the Old Testament. And interestingly,
1:12:35Ezekiel's wife in the book of Ezekiel
1:12:38chapter 24 is called his Mahmad.
1:12:42Ezekiel's wife is called his Mahmad. So,
1:12:43if Mahmad is the name Muhammad, then
1:12:45Muhammad was Ezekiel's wife. But, you
1:12:48know, Ezekiel was many centuries before
1:12:50Muhammad. So, Muhammad must have
1:12:52traveled back in time to get married to
1:12:55Ezekiel. And as far as we know, Ezekiel
1:12:57was not into dudes. So Muhammad must
1:12:59have been transgender and transitioned
1:13:01to becoming a woman so that he could uh
1:13:04be married to Ezekiel and and thus
1:13:07Muhammad would be the woman in that
1:13:09relationship. Now um I hope you don't
1:13:11actually believe any of that. If you do
1:13:13believe any of I mean if you do believe
1:13:15any of that, you know, at least you're
1:13:16consistent. But uh if you don't believe
1:13:18any of that, then you just can't go to
1:13:20Song of Solomon 5:16 just because it
1:13:22uses the word Mahmad.
1:13:25>> Okay. Then okay. Okay. I
1:13:28>> can I ask you something? Um did Muhammad
1:13:30or any of his companions tell you the
1:13:33verse in the Bible that it's about him
1:13:37>> or in it is in one of the suras but it
1:13:41is mentioned in the Quran that there
1:13:44will be
1:13:46the prophet was mentioned in the
1:13:48previous scripture.
1:13:49>> Yeah. But I'm saying did did Muhammad go
1:13:52to the previous scripture at the time
1:13:53and say I'm here in this verse in Song
1:13:56of Solomon or whatever
1:13:58>> because just just to let you know
1:13:59Muhammad said that if you say something
1:14:01about him
1:14:02>> if you attribute something to him that's
1:14:05not true then you have your place in the
1:14:06hellfire. So if you're claiming
1:14:08something about Muhammad that's not true
1:14:10to Muhammad you have your place in the
1:14:11hellfire.
1:14:12>> Yeah. You have to be very careful what
1:14:13verse you choose because it might not be
1:14:15the one that Muhammad meant. So I'm
1:14:17asking you, did he tell you which verses
1:14:20in the Bible at his time or whatever is
1:14:23him?
1:14:24>> Uh, no, not that I'm aware of.
1:14:27>> Okay, that's good. So you are now doing
1:14:29something that Muhammad never did. You
1:14:31opening the Bible that you don't know
1:14:33and choosing a verse. How do you know
1:14:34that's the one he meant?
1:14:37>> Well, we have to figure it out. We have
1:14:40to
1:14:40>> You have to So you have to figure out
1:14:42something
1:14:42>> previous scripture.
1:14:44>> Okay.
1:14:44>> And see where
1:14:45>> I get you. You'll have to figure it out.
1:14:47Muhammad when he finished the religion,
1:14:49he said, "I've finished the religion for
1:14:50you." Do you know that in the farewell
1:14:53sermon? When he finished his message, he
1:14:56said, "I've finished my religion for
1:14:58you." So now you need to figure
1:14:59something out after Muhammad finished
1:15:01his religion for you. [snorts]
1:15:05>> Okay? And and that is what that is what
1:15:06we are doing. That is what we are doing
1:15:08this,
1:15:08>> you know. Don't you think that's a a
1:15:10problem? It is it is not a problem
1:15:13[laughter] because there's many things
1:15:14even in Christianity that you guys are
1:15:17still unaware of like the trinity.
1:15:19>> Like what? Like what? No, we're not
1:15:22unaware of anything. If I say something
1:15:24about my religion, it comes from the
1:15:25Bible. I don't have to figure anything
1:15:27out. Why do you need to figure something
1:15:29out if your religion is already perfect?
1:15:32Cuz [snorts]
1:15:35in the Quran it still mentions that
1:15:38although it is perfectly explained and
1:15:42in full detail, correct? All right.
1:15:44Okay. Follow me. Although is fully
1:15:47explained in full detail, there is still
1:15:49some things that only Allah himself only
1:15:52knows about.
1:15:53>> Okay. So if only Allah knows it, how why
1:15:55do you want to figure it out if it will
1:15:57never be revealed to you?
1:15:58>> [snorts]
1:15:59>> Because Muhammad the prophet peace be
1:16:02upon him had said that he is mentioned
1:16:04in the previous scripture. Therefore if
1:16:07he is confirmed in previous scripture
1:16:09therefore he cannot
1:16:10>> Okay. Where you've not shown us you've
1:16:12not shown us a place yet where he is.
1:16:14>> I have another I have another passage.
1:16:17>> Okay. What is it?
1:16:18It is in I believe Matthew
1:16:2321 of the the vineyard where he is
1:16:27confirmed to be the cornerstone and he's
1:16:29confirmed
1:16:30>> Matthew 21
1:16:32the cornerstone
1:16:32>> there was no way
1:16:34>> the cornerstone so Jesus said to them
1:16:37have you not read the scriptures the
1:16:38stone that the builders rejected has
1:16:40become the cornerstone this was the
1:16:42Lord's doing and it was marvelous in our
1:16:44eyes therefore I tell you the kingdom of
1:16:45God will be Is that the one you're
1:16:47talking about right there right That's
1:16:48correct.
1:16:49>> Okay. Where in that passage does it say
1:16:52that the cornerstone is Muhammad?
1:16:56>> Because there is a hadith that Muhammad
1:17:00claims to be that cornerstone.
1:17:04>> Yeah. But the the Bible doesn't mention
1:17:05his name though. It could be any.
1:17:07>> And also Jesus Jesus when he quotes this
1:17:09he's referring to it happening then.
1:17:11He's referring to himself according to
1:17:13all New Testament scholars. This is
1:17:15Jesus referring to himself as the
1:17:18cornerstone.
1:17:21>> Okay then. Okay then listen listen then.
1:17:24Even if
1:17:26>> what's his name again Muhammad? What's
1:17:28his name then?
1:17:29>> Allah's warrior.
1:17:30>> Allah's warrior. Okay. Allah's warrior.
1:17:32Hold on one second. Allah's warrior. So
1:17:33your argument is that Muhammad cannot be
1:17:36demonpossessed because he's prophesied
1:17:38in previous scriptures. But we're basing
1:17:40Muhammad being demonpossessed based off
1:17:42of Islamic sources where for example
1:17:45Aisha herself even said that he was
1:17:47demonp possessed. So are you saying
1:17:48she's a liar?
1:17:51>> Okay, show me that one. I don't
1:17:52>> Oh, you don't know about So yeah, why
1:17:54don't we why don't we start there?
1:17:55>> I don't I don't believe that at all.
1:17:57Aisha the
1:17:59>> Okay, so if we show if we showed you and
1:18:01Aisha did say it, what would you do?
1:18:03>> Does it mean he's not prophesied in the
1:18:04previous scriptures or does what does it
1:18:06what does it mean?
1:18:09What? What? You you asked two question.
1:18:11There was two questions.
1:18:12>> I said if Aisha really said that he he
1:18:14was he was involved with the devil. What
1:18:17would you do? Would you reject Aisha or
1:18:19what would you do?
1:18:21>> I I want to see first I need to see it
1:18:23if it is
1:18:24>> okay. You don't have a plan. You don't
1:18:25have a plan.
1:18:27>> We are just Okay. So just going to go
1:18:29into this blind.
1:18:30>> You and you just find out and then work
1:18:32figure it out is your thing. You just
1:18:33figure it out.
1:18:34>> Yeah. I need to do more research and see
1:18:36if it is.
1:18:37>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, that's a good
1:18:38idea.
1:18:39>> I need to do I need to see this.
1:18:41>> It's okay. So, we have it here.
1:18:46>> Okay.
1:18:49[clears throat]
1:18:50>> And this is word for word that he is in
1:18:52demon possession.
1:18:53>> Yes. Word for word that he is bewitched.
1:18:56Yes.
1:18:59So, uh we have it on the screen here. Um
1:19:01if uh
1:19:01>> every
1:19:04life,
1:19:06>> let's see. Okay, there it is. I see it.
1:19:08There you go. All right, there you go.
1:19:09So, uh, can you see that Allah's warrior
1:19:12can make a baby?
1:19:15>> Okay, great.
1:19:16>> Let's [clears throat] see. Bkari 3175.
1:19:19There's Aisha there.
1:19:20>> Narrated
1:19:21>> once the prophet was bewitched so that
1:19:24he began to imagine he had done a thing
1:19:26which in fact he had not done.
1:19:29>> Yep.
1:19:29>> So, what do you think about this being a
1:19:31witch bewitched?
1:19:35>> Okay. It says the prophet was bewitched.
1:19:39This is past tense.
1:19:40>> Yes.
1:19:42>> Yeah. It's all It's all in the past, you
1:19:44know, 1400 years ago. All past. Yeah.
1:19:46>> Okay. But was this
1:19:49was this before he started to begin his
1:19:54ministry into Islam?
1:19:55>> This this is during during his during
1:19:58his prophethood.
1:19:58>> Come on, man. He was married to Aisha,
1:20:00man.
1:20:02And everything. He
1:20:05Right. Khadijah was his first wife.
1:20:07Aisha, you know, came after her after
1:20:09she died.
1:20:10>> So, so Aisha is letting you know, and
1:20:11this is just one version of events. We
1:20:13can go into the more detailed version if
1:20:14you want to, which tells you how
1:20:16Muhammad was possessed by the demons.
1:20:19Why? How was he possessed? Because some
1:20:21Jewish magician found his hair comb and
1:20:24he took a piece of his hair and he
1:20:26bewitched him. Like, uh, David mentioned
1:20:27this in the beginning, uh, 6 months to a
1:20:30couple years. And that was during his uh
1:20:33yeah as he was a prophet. As you believe
1:20:35he was a prophet
1:20:36>> during his prophet.
1:20:37>> And he was imagining that he was doing
1:20:39things that he wasn't doing.
1:20:40>> You know why we know he was during the
1:20:41prophethood? Because she said the
1:20:43prophet.
1:20:44>> Okay. I I have for this one.
1:20:47>> I thought you said you need to look it
1:20:48up.
1:20:49>> No, no. I I already have my just by
1:20:51looking.
1:20:51>> Oh, come on.
1:20:53>> You're not going to look it up. You're
1:20:54not going to do research that you
1:20:55promise.
1:20:55>> No, no. I This one This is I'm going to
1:20:58cook you guys right now. This is easier
1:21:00than Go ahead and cook.
1:21:03>> Yes.
1:21:05>> He's now chef Allah's warrior.
1:21:08[laughter]
1:21:08>> Okay.
1:21:09>> Okay.
1:21:10>> Allah's chef.
1:21:11>> Okay. So to be in demon possession, this
1:21:16would this disprove Muhammad's
1:21:18prophethood?
1:21:19>> No, no, no. You said that he wasn't
1:21:22possessed by a demon because he's
1:21:23prophesied in the previous scriptures.
1:21:26>> So that's your claim. You made that
1:21:27claim. We didn't make that claim. You
1:21:29made that claim. Now you changed it to
1:21:31Can
1:21:35I'm going to follow up. But this is my
1:21:37question to you.
1:21:38>> Yeah. Yeah. So you were the one who made
1:21:39the claim. We were responding to your
1:21:41claim. You said that he wasn't
1:21:42demonpossessed because he's prophesied
1:21:44in previous scripture. So are you now
1:21:45going back on that?
1:21:48>> Okay. If I'm being honest, I might have
1:21:49to. I might have to.
1:21:50>> Okay. There you go.
1:21:53>> Instead of thinking to cook, you need to
1:21:55go be honest and go back to research.
1:21:56Okay.
1:21:57>> But but now I have my robot. But listen
1:21:59to me now. I have my robot. Okay.
1:22:01>> Cool.
1:22:02>> Okay.
1:22:03>> Okay. So, in order would Okay. So, if
1:22:07Muhammad was in demon possession, would
1:22:09this disprove
1:22:11his prophethood?
1:22:13>> Yes.
1:22:13>> Yes.
1:22:14>> Yes.
1:22:15>> Therefore,
1:22:16>> okay, this means that he is really not
1:22:18from Allah then.
1:22:20>> Correct.
1:22:20>> That's what according to Surah 15. Let
1:22:22me read it to you. I'll read Surah 15.
1:22:23So, starting in verse 39.
1:22:25>> Satan responded, "My lord, for allowing
1:22:28me Stay. Hold up. Hold up. Hold on. Let
1:22:31cook. Respect the Quran. Respect the
1:22:33Quran. All
1:22:34>> I'm reading from the Quran. Let's
1:22:35listen.
1:22:35>> He's reading from the Quran. Let him
1:22:37>> Yeah. Satan responded. IP wants to cook.
1:22:40Let him cook.
1:22:42>> He's going to cooking you a delicious
1:22:43Ramadan meal. Man,
1:22:44>> hold up, guys. Satan responded, "My
1:22:47Lord, for allowing me to stray, I will
1:22:49surely tempt them on earth and mislead
1:22:50them altogether. Except your slaves
1:22:53among them. Allah said, "This is the way
1:22:55binding on me. you will certainly have
1:22:57no authority over my slaves except the
1:22:59deviant who follow you. So if if Satan
1:23:02or if Satan bewitched or possessed
1:23:05Muhammad, that means he was not one of
1:23:07Allah's slaves.
1:23:08>> And and side note, IP um surah 2 vers
1:23:12102 says that uh magic magic is taught
1:23:17to human beings by the demons. And so if
1:23:21demons taught magic that was used to
1:23:24bewitch Muhammad and as you point out if
1:23:27Satan has that kind of power over
1:23:28someone it means he's one of his. Uh
1:23:31kind of looks like a problem here.
1:23:33>> Mhm.
1:23:36[snorts]
1:23:37>> Okay. All right. So this would mean that
1:23:42okay this would prove that Muhammad is
1:23:44not really from Allah in other way. This
1:23:47is what I'm saying
1:23:48>> right. Okay. Now, you could correct me
1:23:51if I'm wrong, but isn't it true that in
1:23:54Luke chapter 8, Mary had seven demons
1:23:59persist inside of her?
1:24:01>> They're talking about Mary Magdalene,
1:24:03not
1:24:04>> not Mary, not Mary.
1:24:06>> Jesus Jesus cast them out. He did that.
1:24:08He went around casting demons out of
1:24:10people. Then they followed him. So, he
1:24:11saved people from demonic possession.
1:24:14Then they follow
1:24:15>> Yeah. Notice Jesus had power over
1:24:17demons. They were terrified of him.
1:24:19Whereas demons could just say, "Hey, let
1:24:21me give Muhammad a bunch of delusional
1:24:23thoughts and false beliefs and some
1:24:25false revelations and so on, satanic
1:24:27verses, all this stuff." It's like
1:24:29Muhammad was their puppet, man.
1:24:35>> Okay. I mean,
1:24:37all right. I I see your points.
1:24:40>> Okay,
1:24:40>> that's good.
1:24:41>> We respect you for admitting that.
1:24:44>> Good job, man. And and by the way, did
1:24:45you know that Muhammad Muhammad said
1:24:47that he actually has a devil or a Satan
1:24:51and that he said that he obeys him
1:24:53because he believed his Satan became a
1:24:55Muslim.
1:24:57You know, the devil is the devil is the
1:25:00father of all lies. And if the devil
1:25:03tells you, hey, I became a Muslim. And
1:25:06you're like, oh, really? You became a
1:25:07Muslim? Now I can obey you in everything
1:25:08you do. Because Muhammad believed that
1:25:10because his devil became a Muslim, he
1:25:12could obey him now because his devil's
1:25:13only obey him to do good only going to
1:25:15come in and do good things because he's
1:25:17a Muslim. So Muhammad actually admitted
1:25:20that he obeyed he was a slave of the
1:25:24commands of this devil that was
1:25:26commanding him.
1:25:29>> Okay. Well,
1:25:31that I have not heard of, but I do know
1:25:34there is one hadith where it does talk
1:25:37about shaitan does guru go inside the
1:25:41body like like how blood circulates. I
1:25:45don't know the exact hadith, but I
1:25:48believe Hold on.
1:25:51Either e either way, I don't I have
1:25:54never heard of that one, but
1:25:57>> this this is this is all new stuff for
1:25:59me.
1:26:01>> Yeah.
1:26:02>> Well, I mean that that's that's good
1:26:03that you're be you're being honest and
1:26:05we like to hear that. But you think
1:26:07about the
1:26:08>> Yeah. What's the reference?
1:26:10>> Yeah. Here's the reference here. Uh
1:26:11maybe if you could put this up there. Um
1:26:14it's in um Muslim 2814A
1:26:19and um Abdullahb Mass when he wasn't
1:26:22behind the dy line he reported that
1:26:24Allah's messenger said there is none
1:26:26among you there's none amongst you with
1:26:28whom is not in attache from amongst the
1:26:31jin the devil they the companion said
1:26:34Allah's messenger with you too thereupon
1:26:37he said yes but Allah helps me against
1:26:40him
1:26:42So, and so I am safe from his hands
1:26:46and he does not command me but for good.
1:26:50So, everybody has a devil according to
1:26:52Islam. Everybody has a devil. And
1:26:54Muhammad said that his well another
1:26:56hadith actually I think in the Arabic it
1:26:58just says that um let me
1:27:04>> uh yeah but uh when it's there's another
1:27:06hadith which says he converted to Islam.
1:27:08>> Yeah. We have another another one that
1:27:10his his devil convert to Islam. There's
1:27:13another one that says that. But anyway,
1:27:15um Allah helps him against him. So he's
1:27:17safe from him and he does not command
1:27:18him except for good. So he's saying that
1:27:20his devil commands him but it's okay
1:27:23because it's for good. In another hadith
1:27:24he says that this devil become a Muslim.
1:27:26>> Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah.
1:27:29>> So So think about this stuff, Alice,
1:27:31because you're being honest about what
1:27:33what's happening and you're hearing this
1:27:35stuff for the first time. If this is
1:27:37true and this is what your own sources
1:27:38are admitting, this looks like Islam is
1:27:41from demons. It's not the religion of
1:27:43God. It is a it is a mockery of the true
1:27:46religion which is Christianity.
1:27:50>> You see here
1:27:52you [clears throat] see here actually
1:27:53says shaitan the devil and
1:27:57>> oh this is the one circulate like blood
1:27:58in you. Yeah. This this is the one that
1:27:59you were talking about the hadith you
1:28:00were talking about. The devil circulates
1:28:03uh in you like your blood right. This is
1:28:05the one you were talking about.
1:28:06>> Yes. Yes.
1:28:07>> Yeah. Okay.
1:28:09>> So they even asked Muhammad, does it
1:28:11even apply to you? And he said to me
1:28:15also, but God has helped me against him.
1:28:18So
1:28:20even Muhammad had a devil or even uses
1:28:22the wordon here in this. Um so your your
1:28:27the man that you think is a prophet had
1:28:29a devil attached to him. had uh he was
1:28:33bewitched
1:28:34and had that affect him so much that he
1:28:37couldn't do he he did he used to think
1:28:39he'd do something and he didn't he
1:28:40wouldn't do it. So he the devil what we
1:28:43mean is the devil is all over him. How
1:28:45can he really be from God like as IP
1:28:47told you the the verse that says that
1:28:49Allah would protect his his true
1:28:51servants from the devil.
1:28:53>> So Muhammad was actually deceived. He
1:28:55thought that he was really with God but
1:28:57he wasn't.
1:29:01and deceived the whole um with him.
1:29:06>> Okay, I I'm not going to lie. This one
1:29:10This one is crazy. I've never seen this
1:29:13one, but
1:29:16I'm I'm taking uh screenshots.
1:29:20>> Okay, good. That's good.
1:29:21>> Look at for later, but
1:29:26>> Okay.
1:29:28>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's cool. Hey Avery,
1:29:31uh can you pull up uh can you pull up
1:29:33Matthew 21 real quick?
1:29:35>> Uh yeah, I got that up
1:29:36>> since uh uh yeah, just because
1:29:41you know if uh you got these passages
1:29:43which present some serious problems for
1:29:46Islam, but if he's convinced that there
1:29:48are all these prophecies about Muhammad
1:29:50that might outweigh uh the evidence
1:29:52against him, we want to make sure um
1:29:55that uh that that's pointed out. But
1:29:58yeah, scroll down to the to the part
1:29:59about um
1:30:02um the cornerstone there. A little
1:30:04farther. A little farther. Yeah. So,
1:30:06this is it right here. So, Jesus said to
1:30:07them, "Have you never read in the
1:30:08scriptures, the stone that the builders
1:30:10rejected has become the cornerstone?"
1:30:12This was the Lord's doing, and it is
1:30:14marvelous in our eyes. And so, the
1:30:15claim, which I have to say, um Allah's
1:30:18warrior here seems massively more
1:30:21honest. He seems like he has way more
1:30:22integrity than the the average Da guys
1:30:26and so on. So, I think he's I think he
1:30:28got this idea from the DA guys. We want
1:30:30him to see what the passage actually
1:30:31says so that he realizes he can't trust
1:30:33what they say and therefore he needs to
1:30:35actually start examining all this stuff
1:30:37for himself. But just go back to the uh
1:30:39actual heading uh of this section here.
1:30:42We'll read it real quick. I'll read it
1:30:44rapid fire. The parable of the tenants.
1:30:46Here another parable. There was a master
1:30:47of a house, guys. Who's the master of
1:30:49the house?
1:30:50>> Good.
1:30:51>> The father here. There was a master of
1:30:53the house who planted a vineyard and put
1:30:54a fence around it and dug a wine press
1:30:56in it and built a tower and leased it to
1:30:58tenants and went into another country.
1:31:01So the tenants are the religious leaders
1:31:04here apparently. When the season for
1:31:06fruit drew near, he sent his servants to
1:31:08the tenants to get his fruit. And his
1:31:10servants and the parable are prophets.
1:31:13Prophets. Um so the prophets keep
1:31:15coming. And the tenants took his
1:31:17servants and beat one, killed another
1:31:19and stoned another. Again he sent other
1:31:21servants more than the first. And so he
1:31:23keeps sending prophets. He keeps sending
1:31:25prophets. Uh and they did the same to
1:31:27them. Finally he sent his son to them.
1:31:31So after sending his servants the
1:31:33prophets finally he sent his son to them
1:31:37saying they will respect my son. But
1:31:39when the tenants saw the son they said
1:31:42to themselves this is the heir. Come let
1:31:44us kill him and have his inheritance. So
1:31:47what happens? The son shows up and they
1:31:49decide to kill the son which is this is
1:31:51right before this happens. This is right
1:31:52before the crucifixion of Jesus and they
1:31:55took him and threw him out of the
1:31:56vineyard and killed him. When therefore
1:31:58the owner of the vineyard comes what
1:32:00will he do th to those tenants? They
1:32:02said to him so he asked them what's the
1:32:04what's the owner what's the owner going
1:32:05to do when he shows up and you killed
1:32:07all his servants and you killed his son?
1:32:09They said to him, they answer him, "He
1:32:11will put those wretches to a miserable
1:32:13death and let out the vineyard to other
1:32:16tenants who will give him their fruits
1:32:17in their seasons." Jesus said to them,
1:32:20so this is the conclusion of the parable
1:32:21of the tenants. Jesus said to them,
1:32:23"Have you never read in the scriptures,
1:32:25the stone that the builders rejected,
1:32:27what's the stone that the builders
1:32:28rejected? That's rejecting the son." And
1:32:29right there in the parable, the stone
1:32:31that the builders rejected has become
1:32:33the cornerstone. This was the Lord's
1:32:35doing and it is marvelous in our eyes.
1:32:38And so you look at the actual passage.
1:32:41This is about after God sends prophet
1:32:45after prophet after prophet after
1:32:47prophet and they keep rebelling against
1:32:48the prophets and killing the prophets.
1:32:50Then he sends the son, they kill the son
1:32:54and then he makes the point about them
1:32:56rejecting the cornerstone. And so some
1:32:58da guys convinced you that that's
1:33:01actually about Muhammad who denied that
1:33:04Jesus is the son. And so, just want to
1:33:06point out, you got to be careful who
1:33:07you're listening to. Notice here, we're
1:33:09telling you the truth about everything.
1:33:11We're going to the actual evidence and
1:33:13passages, looking at things in context.
1:33:15Um, the people you're listening to don't
1:33:17tend to do that. They tend to lie to
1:33:19you, completely distort things,
1:33:20cherrypick. Um, and that's just da.
1:33:24Sorry,
1:33:25>> that's just da'a.
1:33:27I had um I had gotten that one from uh I
1:33:31think uh the Orthodox Muslim
1:33:36compulsive liars. Compulsive liar. Yep.
1:33:40>> Other videos.
1:33:46>> You should watch my debate with Liiano.
1:33:48He tried to argue that on against me and
1:33:50we were able to show that he did not
1:33:52know what he was talking about.
1:33:55is unfortunate. I mean there I had seen
1:33:58a lot of videos. This one here isn't
1:34:02that possible.
1:34:04>> Did he just say Chad GPT? Did he just go
1:34:06to Lily J to find something?
1:34:08>> We heard.
1:34:10>> Okay.
1:34:10>> No man's warrior.
1:34:12>> Oh god.
1:34:13>> No, no, no, no. This one I I just wanted
1:34:16to see if there was another argument.
1:34:18But
1:34:19>> I never knew I actually I I thought I
1:34:22thought these were like I didn't know
1:34:23I'd ever meet a Lily Jay fan like in in
1:34:25the in the wild. That's that's Wow.
1:34:27That's
1:34:29>> No, this I I was going to other videos
1:34:33>> knowing but I'm going to have to look
1:34:37more into this one. I have uh the
1:34:39screenshots from earlier but
1:34:41>> screenshots from Lily J.
1:34:43>> No, from us man. Yeah.
1:34:44>> Oh. Oh, okay. Okay. That's good. That's
1:34:46good. Better than what I thought. Don't
1:34:48go to chat GPT. It makes stuff up, you
1:34:50know. No, you know not to do that,
1:34:51right?
1:34:52>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:34:53>> Okay, good.
1:34:53>> Good job. Good job. We forgive you.
1:34:56>> So, yeah. Uh, read the Bible. Read You
1:34:59just You just quoted Matthew. Read
1:35:01Matthew. That That's a good start for
1:35:02you. Read the Gospel according to
1:35:04Matthew and [clears throat] see what it
1:35:06says for yourself.
1:35:06>> Matthew says the
1:35:07>> Don't go to Lily J. Don't go to Liiano.
1:35:09Don't go to us. Just read it for
1:35:10yourself. Pray to God and God will show
1:35:13you the truth of what it is.
1:35:15>> Okay. Okay. You have to go.
1:35:17>> Good.
1:35:18>> Good. Good. And come back and let let
1:35:20let God let you know uh after you read
1:35:23and stuff. Come back. Yeah. Come back.
1:35:25>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.
1:35:27>> Thank you.
1:35:28>> Bye.
1:35:28>> Thank you.
1:35:31>> All right. Pray for him, guys. Pray for
1:35:32him.
1:35:33>> Yeah. That was a pretty good guest
1:35:35there. Um pretty that was actually the
1:35:37first solid conversation we had, huh?
1:35:39>> Yeah.
1:35:40>> And seriously, respect to him. like all
1:35:43the respect in the world for just
1:35:44saying, "Okay, I I this okay, I
1:35:47definitely need to take a closer look at
1:35:48this because the got an issue here."
1:35:51>> Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, we got some
1:35:54Muslims that are eager to get up here
1:35:57and showcase their knowledge. So, we got
1:36:00this is the order is going to go
1:36:02Turkish, then Tabal, then Omar. Okay.
1:36:05>> Yep. Turkish Muslim. You're on stage, my
1:36:09friend. Welcome.
1:36:10>> Welcome, guys. Can you hear me?
1:36:13>> Yes.
1:36:13>> Uh, yes. Thank you for having us.
1:36:16>> Hey, thanks, man. That was very intense.
1:36:19>> Yeah, it was. It was.
1:36:20>> Um, first of all, sorry about my
1:36:23English. It's not my native language, so
1:36:26you can see I'm Turkish.
1:36:28Um, but uh the question was because of
1:36:32Muhammad.
1:36:34Um, why he is not uh possessed by the
1:36:38devil. So first of all I would like to
1:36:41say before even he got revelation
1:36:46uh maybe you know this he was famous
1:36:48that he was that trustworthy and he was
1:36:51an honest guy.
1:36:53um he was never accused of lying or for
1:36:58and was always known for a good
1:37:00character
1:37:02and um
1:37:04yeah and I think it's it's very very
1:37:08hard for me as a Muslim to understand is
1:37:11why should you as a Muslim
1:37:14um like
1:37:17say uh the Satan is bad like the first
1:37:21one of the first sentences is in the uh
1:37:24in the Quran.
1:37:26So we condemn the Satan. So why should
1:37:28Satan declare that or forbid us to drink
1:37:32alcohol, forbid us to gamble? It's like
1:37:36everything who wants you the that the
1:37:39devil the devil the devil wants you to
1:37:42do that.
1:37:43>> Well, let's let's stop let's pause
1:37:44there. Let's talk about that for a
1:37:46minute. Satan there's a there's an old
1:37:48saying you know about rat poison. It's
1:37:5099% food for rats. It's the 1% that
1:37:54kills you, that kills the rats.
1:37:56>> See, this is what this is what Satan
1:37:58does. He never just spews lies. He mixes
1:38:01in some truth and some falsehood to make
1:38:03sure you end up in hell. And that's what
1:38:05we've argued. Yeah, we we we agree there
1:38:06are some good things in the Quran. We're
1:38:08not going to sit here and say, "Oh,
1:38:09yeah, yeah, it's 100% evil." No, no,
1:38:12that's but that's that's the lie there.
1:38:14He mixes in evil with good so that he
1:38:17makes sure you go to hell and make sure
1:38:19you avoid the gospel. This is what Islam
1:38:21is. It strips out everything important
1:38:23to Christianity like the belief in
1:38:26Jesus's divinity, the resurrection, the
1:38:28atonement, and it just keeps the
1:38:30superficial aspects that align with
1:38:32Christianity.
1:38:34>> Okay. Yeah. But what's the 1% you would
1:38:37say? That's so that's the declining or
1:38:40or not accepting the divinity. It's set
1:38:42to 1%.
1:38:44>> But before before uh so first of all
1:38:47real quick real quick real quick J real
1:38:48quick. That's just an analogy. I'm not
1:38:50saying the Quran is 1% evil. I think
1:38:52there's a lot more in it. I'm just using
1:38:54that as an analogy.
1:38:55>> So uh another point that you made and
1:38:57we'll I just want to address all your
1:38:59points before we go into the next thing.
1:39:00You said like why would Muslims be
1:39:02casting out the devil? Let me ask you a
1:39:04question. If someone came to you and
1:39:06he's a criminal and he says, "I'm
1:39:08against all criminals."
1:39:11What do you think of that?
1:39:13You trust him?
1:39:17>> No. But he that's not a good analogy.
1:39:20But but I got your point because he's
1:39:21right.
1:39:22>> Can come to you and say, "I'm against
1:39:24the devil."
1:39:25>> Yeah. Come follow me now. Now you can
1:39:27trust me.
1:39:27>> You know the devil can lie, right?
1:39:28>> Yeah. The devil lies.
1:39:29>> If he says if the devil says to you,
1:39:32>> "I hate you." That could be the same
1:39:33case with Jesus as well.
1:39:35>> But Jesus had miracles and Jesus did did
1:39:38everything.
1:39:38>> Yeah. The Quran has miracles itself. The
1:39:41prophet Muhammad
1:39:42>> did did Muhammad raise the dead?
1:39:45>> Sorry.
1:39:46>> Did Muhammad raise the dead?
1:39:49>> No, but that's that's uh that's
1:39:51permission of God.
1:39:52>> One sec. One sec. A miracle is something
1:39:54that no one can deny.
1:39:57>> Yes. Like Moses did.
1:39:59>> Exactly. Split the sea. Jesus the dead.
1:40:02But but now he's one second. If someone
1:40:04reads a book and thinks, "Wow, that's
1:40:05amazing." I read the same book and think
1:40:08I don't like don't like it. That's not a
1:40:11miracle. That's just subjective.
1:40:13Subjective things meaning things that
1:40:15you like or not like are not miracle. A
1:40:17miracle is something that no one can
1:40:19deny.
1:40:20>> Yeah, I know what's a miracle is. But
1:40:22>> okay, the Quran is a book. A book
1:40:24writing a book is not a miracle.
1:40:26>> Yeah, but he prophet Muhammad has
1:40:28miracles as well. Like splitting the
1:40:30moon.
1:40:30>> Whoa. Where?
1:40:31>> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where?
1:40:34>> Where? Where is that?
1:40:35>> Yeah, cuz the Quran.
1:40:37>> Yeah. Uh, while while you find that, let
1:40:38me just read let me just read.
1:40:41>> Hey, let me just read a couple of verses
1:40:43from the Quran.
1:40:45>> Hang on. Let me know.
1:40:47>> Muslim knows that
1:40:49>> that he that he from his fingers pour
1:40:52water to heal in the fight of butter,
1:40:56for example,
1:40:58>> because they were thirsty. David wants
1:40:59to read from the Quran. David wants to
1:41:01read from the Quran.
1:41:02>> Yeah. Don't be Don't be a bot, please.
1:41:04Just talk talk like human beings.
1:41:05>> Yeah. Let me uh Yeah.
1:41:06>> Sorry.
1:41:08>> We want to read the Quran to you real
1:41:09quick.
1:41:09>> Don't No need to get aggressive. I'm
1:41:11just
1:41:12>> Don't Don't play victim either. Let me
1:41:14read the Quran to you.
1:41:15>> Just relax, guys. I just I just share my
1:41:17my my knowledge. It's
1:41:18>> Does he not hear us at all?
1:41:20>> I think there's some sort of audio.
1:41:23>> I'm not sure what's going on.
1:41:24>> Yeah. Let me let me read let me read a
1:41:25couple Quran verses. So, Surah 6:37. And
1:41:28they say why has not a sign been sent
1:41:30down to him from his lord say surely
1:41:33Allah is able to send down a sign but
1:41:35most of them do not know surah 10 verse
1:41:38that I cannot hear everybody so I can I
1:41:40don't hear Dave for example
1:41:42>> um
1:41:43>> he's got some
1:41:45fine David we can hear you fine
1:41:46>> yeah I can read some of these uh so
1:41:49surah 337 says they asked why has no
1:41:52Simon sent down to him from his lord say
1:41:55Allah certainly has the power to send
1:41:57down sign though most of them do not
1:41:59know. So Allah is not saying, "Well,
1:42:01what what do you mean sign sent down? He
1:42:03split the moon." He's saying like, "No,
1:42:05no, no. I have the power to, but you
1:42:07know, I'm not going to." Surah 1759,
1:42:09nothing keeps us from sending the signs
1:42:11down except that they had been denied by
1:42:14earlier people. So surah 1759, they're
1:42:17Allah saying like, you know, I I I I'm
1:42:20not not sending them down basically
1:42:21because they were denied by earlier
1:42:23people. You have surah 29:50-51.
1:42:26They say if only signs have been sent
1:42:28down to him from his lord. Say signs are
1:42:30only with Allah and I am only sent with
1:42:34a clear warning. It is not enough for
1:42:35them that we have sent down to you the
1:42:37book recited to them. Surely in this is
1:42:40a mercy and a reminder for the people
1:42:41who believe. So right there the people
1:42:43are complaining that Muhammad has not
1:42:45done any signs. And the response from
1:42:47Allah is we gave you the Quran. It's our
1:42:49beautiful Arabic poetry is the miracle.
1:42:51So the Quran is saying Muhammad did not
1:42:53do miracles because that would be the
1:42:56response to the people when they're
1:42:58complaining no miracles have been shown.
1:43:01>> Yeah, I know this verse. Then uh but uh
1:43:06I have to check the hadith again. I I'm
1:43:08not sure about it. uh what uh what the
1:43:11hadith number was in Bkari but
1:43:14>> um the the story of the splitting of the
1:43:16moon is not included in a lot of um even
1:43:21Islamic thinkers.
1:43:23>> Yeah, I guess they they're not sure
1:43:24about it as well.
1:43:25>> Not sure about the story.
1:43:26>> Yes,
1:43:27>> sure about the story. And we've got lots
1:43:29of I mean it can be a whole show about
1:43:32how you know they not there are not any
1:43:34witnesses even that are good enough. And
1:43:36the thing is is that the the the hadith
1:43:38collections were not written down until
1:43:40like 150 to 200 years late later at the
1:43:43earliest. So that
1:43:44>> that's compiled after 200 years. But but
1:43:48not
1:43:49the main thing though is that they
1:43:50they're contradicting what the Quran
1:43:52says. Again, if we just go to surah 29
1:43:5450-51,
1:43:56they're saying that Muhammad's not doing
1:43:57any miracles and Allah's reply is we're
1:44:00not going to give you them. We're just
1:44:01going to give you the Quran. That's the
1:44:03point. So these later hadith contradict
1:44:05what Allah is saying. Who are we going
1:44:07to go with? Later hadith compilers or
1:44:09Allah?
1:44:11>> No, I got you. I have to check this. I
1:44:13have to be honest. I'm not sure about
1:44:14that.
1:44:15>> Yeah. If there is any according to
1:44:17Islam, Quran trumps everything. If
1:44:19there's any doubt,
1:44:20>> that's that I know because it's the
1:44:22unchanged words of God.
1:44:23>> Right. So even according to your book
1:44:26that is number one, Allah says there are
1:44:28no miracles that were given to Muhammad.
1:44:30He says all the signs were with Allah.
1:44:31And in other verses he said when people
1:44:33ask him for a sign
1:44:36Allah tells Muhammad to say well we gave
1:44:37you signs in
1:44:38>> yeah don't you see the signs I give yeah
1:44:40I know this vers uh
1:44:42>> so Allah say Allah didn't say well what
1:44:44about the moon that was split or what
1:44:46about the Quran that's the sign that's
1:44:48you know he he actually says no signs
1:44:49are all with Allah so
1:44:52>> right right
1:44:53>> so there isn't actually any anything
1:44:55that proves Muhammad is a prophet that's
1:44:57our our first point is that Jesus raised
1:45:01the dead. No, no one can deny Moses
1:45:04split the sea. No one can deny Muhammad.
1:45:07>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. Did he rise?
1:45:08It's not historical proven that that the
1:45:11crucifixion happened. That's historical
1:45:13proof.
1:45:15>> IP is that is that true IP?
1:45:17>> Is it true?
1:45:18>> Is it true that the
1:45:19>> 100% that I'm sure? Because my one of my
1:45:22best friends is Christian and we always
1:45:24discuss this together.
1:45:25>> Wait a minute.
1:45:27So, let's see what IP is your best
1:45:28friend is. Let's see what IP says. There
1:45:31is not a scholar alive who denies that
1:45:34Jesus was crucified. Okay? Like this is
1:45:37>> No, no, I'm not saying that. That he uh
1:45:39raised up from the death. That's not
1:45:41historical proven. The crucifixion that
1:45:43the crucifixion happened, that's
1:45:45historical proven. That that's uh that
1:45:47I'm with you. I'm here with So So, so
1:45:50hold on. Let's go to go to this a bit.
1:45:52Okay. So what happened after about about
1:45:54a couple couple weeks after according to
1:45:56our earliest sources, the disciples, the
1:45:59people that walked with Jesus were
1:46:00proclaiming he rose from the dead. Our
1:46:03earliest sources report this like the
1:46:05creed in 1 Corinthians 15 reports that
1:46:08they were preaching that Jesus rose from
1:46:10the dead and he appeared to multiple
1:46:12witnesses including the disciples, all
1:46:14the apostles, and 500 at once. Scholars
1:46:17agree that creed is super early. It's in
1:46:20within a couple years of the of the
1:46:22crucifixion itself. So the earliest
1:46:26disciples, the earliest eyewitnesses
1:46:28were preaching Jesus rose from the dead.
1:46:31>> Yeah. But still not historically proven,
1:46:33you know, because uh we have to we know
1:46:36that the the crucifixion
1:46:38uh took place. That's that's
1:46:41historically proven. Uh, and because of
1:46:44my that's now theology what I'm talking
1:46:46because I believe in the Quran that it
1:46:48appeared so so that people thought he
1:46:50was dead. It's
1:46:53>> here's my question for you. I have a
1:46:54question for you. Okay. So
1:46:55>> if according to the the earliest data
1:46:57the disciples were preaching the
1:46:59resurrection, what is your reason as to
1:47:01why other than Jesus was raised from the
1:47:04dead? What other reason could possibly
1:47:06account for that?
1:47:09>> Sorry, can you ask again? So our
1:47:11earliest evidence shows the eyewitnesses
1:47:13of Jesus were preaching he rose from the
1:47:15dead. And it wasn't just them. It was
1:47:17skeptics that converted. So James was
1:47:19not a follower of Jesus during his
1:47:20ministry. He believed Jesus rose from
1:47:22the dead. He's even mentioned in the
1:47:23creed. Paul was a persecutor of the
1:47:26church. He converted and believed it. So
1:47:28why were the earliest eyewitnesses and
1:47:31and even some skeptics proclaiming Jesus
1:47:33rose from the dead if that did not
1:47:34happen? If I I'm saying here's this is
1:47:37way this is the way history works. I'm
1:47:38saying the best explanation of data like
1:47:40that is that Jesus rose from the dead.
1:47:42If you think I'm wrong, you have to
1:47:44offer a better explanation for this
1:47:45data.
1:47:46>> No, that's that's not a fair comparison
1:47:49because
1:47:49>> that is exactly how history works.
1:47:51>> You you cannot prove that he rose and I
1:47:52can pro and I can I can prove the the uh
1:47:57the opposite as well. I'm saying this is
1:47:59how it works. I'm saying the best
1:48:01explanation of the data is that he rose
1:48:03from the dead.
1:48:04>> That's a possibility. The best
1:48:06possibility.
1:48:07>> It's more than that. It's the most It's
1:48:09the most plausible. It's the least ad
1:48:11hoc. It has the most explanatory scope,
1:48:13explanatory power. It's the best
1:48:14explanation. And here's what I'm saying.
1:48:16All to refute me. It's very easy. Just
1:48:18offer a better explanation of the data
1:48:21that accounts for it.
1:48:23>> Uh for I don't have a better data. I
1:48:26have just the belief that the people
1:48:29thought that he was dead because I don't
1:48:30believe he was a god. Uh normally now in
1:48:33my position I think
1:48:35>> you can believe whatever you want but we
1:48:37are I'm basing my case on historical
1:48:39evidence and saying that the
1:48:40resurrection
1:48:41>> but the eyewitness
1:48:44we we don't have we don't have the the
1:48:46names of the eyewitnesses
1:48:48>> of John who wrote the gospel of John he
1:48:50was an eyewitness.
1:48:51>> No John didn't write John.
1:48:53>> Yes he did.
1:48:55>> No the the names. Oh sorry sorry s sorry
1:48:58I uh no wait. Wait, I have no John
1:49:02didn't write Paul. You know, the authors
1:49:04is are anonymous
1:49:06>> and the the names were um added later on
1:49:10by the church and you know that as
1:49:12attribute to the
1:49:13>> to the shows that
1:49:15>> do you have any evidence?
1:49:16>> No, no, no. Yeah,
1:49:17>> I have no
1:49:18>> I have of course we have
1:49:20>> Turkish Turkish um Muslim.
1:49:23>> Yes.
1:49:23>> What evidence do you have that Allah
1:49:25made it appear? What historical evidence
1:49:27do you have?
1:49:27>> No, that's not the evidence. I'm I'm
1:49:29talking now about the anonymous authors
1:49:31you have.
1:49:32>> I'm asking you. You you agree that?
1:49:34>> Are we changing the topic right now?
1:49:35>> Yeah, because you you said yes, I do.
1:49:38And you're not showing us any evidence.
1:49:40>> But I want to go for the crucifixion cuz
1:49:41that goes against your Quran. You say
1:49:44>> when it's made to appear. So then the
1:49:47the the plan is accomplished because we
1:49:49all think he was crucified.
1:49:51>> Okay. So what evidence do you have that
1:49:53it really wasn't him? It was meant to
1:49:55appear besides Quran telling you that.
1:49:56Do you have any historical evidence?
1:49:59You don't have evidence that he that it
1:50:01was him. You just the evidence show
1:50:06eyewitness.
1:50:06>> Yeah. The eyewitnesses.
1:50:08>> You say that I saw something else.
1:50:11>> For example, for example, Maria Maria
1:50:13suh
1:50:16saw him from from very far away and
1:50:18nobody was waiting until he was dead.
1:50:21Nobody was there. You literally have
1:50:23John took away from the from the cross.
1:50:25That's a fact. You literally have John
1:50:2721:24 saying that this is written by an
1:50:29eyewitness.
1:50:34>> By an eyewitness, right?
1:50:35>> John 21:24 says it's an eyewitness.
1:50:38>> Yeah, but he's not the eyewitness.
1:50:40>> How do you know that?
1:50:42>> How do you know he's wrong?
1:50:42>> Because John is not written by John,
1:50:44man. That's
1:50:45>> all of the All of our early sources say
1:50:47that John is the author. All of our
1:50:50early sources. Yep.
1:50:52>> All the gospels are anonymous.
1:50:55All the authors are anonymous. You know
1:50:56this.
1:50:57>> How do you know that? How do you know
1:50:58that? They're
1:50:58>> that's historically proven because we
1:51:00don't have
1:51:01>> every gospel we found because of the the
1:51:04style of of the writing is is happened
1:51:07and nobody claims that he is the author.
1:51:10Some some uh some gospels say
1:51:13>> do you know how this is from another
1:51:15author? This is not from me.
1:51:17>> Do you know how biographies were written
1:51:18in the ancient world?
1:51:20>> Come on man. Wait wait wait. That's
1:51:22that's not you know Christian scholars
1:51:25say it's true that the Bible is
1:51:27anonymous author
1:51:29overwhelmingly biographies when they
1:51:31written in the ancient world they the
1:51:33way you would identify the author is
1:51:34with the title or a tag or at the end
1:51:38you wouldn't identify the author in the
1:51:39body that's what the gospels are doing
1:51:41every title we have found every
1:51:43manuscript we found has the title
1:51:45attributing the gospel to John all of
1:51:47our earliest sources say the author is
1:51:50John we have unanimous consent We have
1:51:52unanimous attestation that is that the
1:51:54author of this is John and in the gospel
1:51:57it's identified as an eyewitness. So I
1:52:00have all this data attributing it to
1:52:01John. Do you have any data showing that
1:52:04it's actually an anonymous gospel?
1:52:06>> So I can only say that when I look uh uh
1:52:11in in Google or other sources I want to
1:52:14check for you uh I don't want to just
1:52:16pick a random source. Uh I have to check
1:52:19one that you can the Bartman block for
1:52:22example.
1:52:23>> Ah I've responded to him several times.
1:52:26>> Yeah but he he says for example the
1:52:30authors to know identified themselves
1:52:32within the text and that's true
1:52:34>> said historical evidence suggested these
1:52:37documents were originally panned by
1:52:39unknown persons later attributed
1:52:41>> Turkish Muslim
1:52:41>> he's wrong.
1:52:42>> Turkish Muslim the same Bart man who
1:52:44says that it's a fact that Jesus was
1:52:45crucified. That same Bart man. Yep.
1:52:50>> Religion either man because Bman is
1:52:52against your religion.
1:52:53>> I just But he's not alone with that.
1:52:56It's you know
1:52:58authority man is someone who lives
1:53:00today.
1:53:00>> So so I IP is giving you so inspiring
1:53:03philosophy is giving you reasons for why
1:53:06scholars believe and why Christians are
1:53:08in good ground to believe that John
1:53:11wrote John. For example, Matthew wrote
1:53:13Matthew, Mark, Mark, Luke, Luke. He's
1:53:15giving you reasons for why. You're
1:53:18googling things right now, which you
1:53:20know, you you should research it, but
1:53:22that's not really how you do it.
1:53:24>> Yeah, I'm not prepared right now to be
1:53:25honest, but I have research.
1:53:27>> Okay, so look up what he's saying. He's
1:53:29giving you the evidence. I mean, he he
1:53:30makes I don't know if you know who he
1:53:32is. He makes videos on these very
1:53:33topics, the ones that you're talking
1:53:35about. Is there evidence for the
1:53:36crucifixion? He's got series on that.
1:53:38Did John write John? He has he actually
1:53:40has videos titled that. So, you can look
1:53:43it up. give you the best of scholarship
1:53:45on these topics and then you can you
1:53:47know make your own
1:53:49>> yeah I have a video I have a video on it
1:53:51called John an eyewitness account on my
1:53:54channel inspiring philosophy I also have
1:53:56a video called Mark an eyewitness
1:53:57account Luke an eyewitness account in
1:53:59Matthew an eyewitness all four gospels
1:54:01showing they go back to eyewitnesses
1:54:03>> just a question wasn't it in John I'm
1:54:06not sure you can correct me because uh I
1:54:08don't want to say something wrong I'm I
1:54:10want to be honest but this
1:54:12>> sure is it in John who it was written u
1:54:17like like
1:54:19referring to only um what was it man
1:54:24um like beloved disciple or something
1:54:27like that so that proved
1:54:29>> John he's called
1:54:30>> right and that's like this proved that
1:54:32was it was written by a community or a a
1:54:35different person
1:54:36>> no no no I actually yeah I addressed
1:54:37this in there so no what you're
1:54:39referring to John 21:24 which says this
1:54:42is the disciple who's bearing witness
1:54:44about these things.
1:54:45>> Yes. Exactly.
1:54:46>> Exactly.
1:54:47>> And who has written these things and we
1:54:48know that his testimony is true. So
1:54:51you're referring to the last part.
1:54:52However, if you go to the
1:54:54>> Exactly.
1:54:54>> If you go to the Merritorian fragment,
1:54:56which is it's written it dates to the
1:54:58second century and it what it does is it
1:55:00gives us it gives us it tells us when
1:55:03John was written. And here's what it
1:55:04says in the meritorian fragment. It says
1:55:06the fourth gospel is that of John, one
1:55:08of the disciples. When his fellow
1:55:09disciples and bishops entreated him, he
1:55:11said, "Fast ye now with me for the space
1:55:14of three days, and let us recount to
1:55:16each other whatever may be revealed to
1:55:18each of us." On that same night, it was
1:55:20revealed to Andrew, one of the apostles,
1:55:22that John should narrate all things in
1:55:24his own name as they called him to as
1:55:26they called them to mind. So, this makes
1:55:29total sense with what John says. John
1:55:31was with was with his fellow brothers,
1:55:33including Andrew, and he's the one
1:55:35narrating this. And then they add in
1:55:36that line, we know his testimony is true
1:55:38because all these brothers, including
1:55:40Andrew, who was also an eyewitness, are
1:55:42there with him helping him. Someone is
1:55:44probably acting as a scribe writing this
1:55:46stuff down. So this is actually very
1:55:48much in line with the historical data.
1:55:50We see this in the Merritorian fragment.
1:55:52>> Is not Irenaeus one of the church
1:55:54fathers or am I wrong here?
1:55:56>> He is a church father.
1:55:58>> He's right church father is running
1:56:00around the year 180 to 280 or so.
1:56:02>> Yes. and he attributed the gospel to
1:56:05John later on.
1:56:08>> Well, he's one of them, but so does
1:56:10Tertullian. So does origin. So does the
1:56:12Merritorian fragment which predates
1:56:14Aronyaeus. So you have a source prior to
1:56:17Aronyaeus dating it to him as well.
1:56:19>> So Eryas wasn't right.
1:56:21>> Aronyaeus was correct. They were all
1:56:22agree the author is John.
1:56:26>> Okay. But he Okay. I don't know. It
1:56:29sounds like
1:56:31>> you're not going to find any
1:56:32disagreement amongst the church fathers,
1:56:33the early church, you're not going to
1:56:34find any disagreement on this. And even
1:56:36as IP was pointing out in our manuscript
1:56:38evidence, we don't have any manuscripts,
1:56:40for example, of John that don't say the
1:56:43gospel according to John. Now, scholars
1:56:46might dispute whether that was original.
1:56:48Did John actually write the gospel
1:56:49according to John? Some say he did. I
1:56:51think Richard Barhol argues he did.
1:56:53Simon Grath talks about that. But the
1:56:55the fact is that all of the evidence
1:56:57that we have the physical manuscript
1:56:59evidence we have says for John the
1:57:01gospel according to John we don't have
1:57:03any that differ. So the historical
1:57:06evidence is that John wrote John the
1:57:08early Christian witness actually not
1:57:10just early but throughout history has
1:57:12always maintained that John wrote John.
1:57:15So that's that's what you're going to
1:57:17find.
1:57:18>> So the question is why are you fighting
1:57:19so hard for it not to be true? Is it
1:57:22because you're a Muslim and you're loyal
1:57:23to it? Um no no no I I really believe uh
1:57:26for me Quran makes the most sense and
1:57:29>> Okay sense
1:57:31>> the Quran but the Quran affirms our
1:57:32gospel.
1:57:33>> Even I hawk refers to John the refers to
1:57:37the gospel of John
1:57:38>> page 104 in the life of Muhammad
1:57:40and
1:57:42Muhammad on page 104 he says the gospel
1:57:44of John is the gospel the angel.
1:57:47>> Yeah. So, so we don't believe that even
1:57:50have an Islamic source that identifies
1:57:53the Gospel of John.
1:57:54>> Yeah. Um, so my question is to you, you
1:57:57said that Quran makes sense. Does it
1:57:59make sense for Allah to make it appear
1:58:02that something happened when it didn't
1:58:03happen to mislead the people on purpose?
1:58:06>> No, that that would be the devil.
1:58:08>> Oh,
1:58:10>> you're right. You're absolutely right.
1:58:12>> Yeah. So, so how do you how do you
1:58:14square that circle or all how do you
1:58:16triangle that square?
1:58:17>> So, how do you how do you make sense?
1:58:19How does it make sense then if it's the
1:58:20devil's circle?
1:58:20>> No, he made it appear to to protect him,
1:58:24you know, that the people don't don't
1:58:26chase after him uh when they when they
1:58:28hear he is dead then
1:58:30>> but but wait didn't Allah took him up
1:58:33>> later. Yes.
1:58:35>> He couldn't take him up just before they
1:58:37would take him. So, he had to
1:58:39>> No, his was his mission wasn't
1:58:41completed. Because wait, what was the
1:58:44mission? Huh? So you're saying that so
1:58:47is Allah deceiving the eyewitnesses, the
1:58:49the the ones who were believers in
1:58:50Jesus?
1:58:51>> No, this was mostly thought that you
1:58:54know, nobody could maybe I I uh imagine
1:58:57it was like that. He has
1:58:59>> Allah made it appear, but you're saying
1:59:01no eyewitnesses that were believers.
1:59:03>> So they thought it was him. They thought
1:59:05it was him, but I don't.
1:59:07>> So the believer, we're saying the
1:59:08believers were lied to. They were
1:59:09misled.
1:59:12Uh yeah, for a bigger good cause. Yes.
1:59:15For the protection, for the property.
1:59:17>> You just assure that's the devil though.
1:59:18You said that would be the devil.
1:59:19>> No, the devil would deceive for his own
1:59:22for his own gain, for something evil.
1:59:25But that's that's not the case.
1:59:28>> You know, you know the most evil thing
1:59:29that the devil wants
1:59:31>> is to deceive.
1:59:33>> Yeah. For what?
1:59:34>> Or lie.
1:59:35>> Yeah. To for what? For what happens at
1:59:37the end. If you believe in the devil,
1:59:39the worst thing the devil wants you to
1:59:40do is go to hell. You know that, right?
1:59:43>> Yeah. Of course.
1:59:44>> So, let's say the only way for you to
1:59:46get to heaven is to believe someone was
1:59:49crucified, that Jesus was crucified and
1:59:51rose from the dead.
1:59:52>> Wouldn't
1:59:55say, let's say
1:59:55>> a human sacrifice sound [laughter]
2:00:00than we
2:00:00>> What's one second, forget. Let's say the
2:00:03only way for anyone to go to he heaven
2:00:05is for to believe in somebody's
2:00:07crucifixion.
2:00:10>> Who let's say who is it who is it that
2:00:14[laughter] sounds very
2:00:16just let yourself think. Give yourself a
2:00:18chance man and then you can believe what
2:00:19you want. Give yourself
2:00:21>> let's say the only way for you to go to
2:00:23heaven is believe someone was crucified.
2:00:26>> Okay? And then someone comes to you and
2:00:28the devil, let's say that the devil
2:00:30thinks the only way is for me to
2:00:32believe, make them think, say that it
2:00:34appeared but it never really happened.
2:00:37You not think that the devil would do
2:00:38that?
2:00:42>> Yeah, of course. In your in your
2:00:44perspective that could
2:00:45>> Thank you. That's that's
2:00:47>> is not human sacrifice all of history.
2:00:50>> Listen up to me. Is not human sacrifice
2:00:52satanic as well? We can't do sacrifice.
2:00:56with you as well. You know, it's
2:00:57>> you Hey Avery, can you share my screen
2:00:59for a minute if he thinks that human
2:01:01sacrifice is a problem here? Because we
2:01:03have a hadith here which actually shows
2:01:05Allah is saying that we are the
2:01:08sacrifices for you so that you get into
2:01:10heaven.
2:01:11>> But is it?
2:01:13>> Of course. I don't believe in all hadith
2:01:15to be honest.
2:01:16>> It's Muslim, bro.
2:01:17>> Muslim.
2:01:18>> Um I'm in Ria Alen 43. But Sah Muslim
2:01:22seven. Yeah, the same things. So yeah
2:01:24here this is this one I can go to sahi
2:01:26Muslim next uh the messenger of Allah
2:01:28said on the day of resurrection Allah
2:01:29will deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a
2:01:32Christian and say this is your ransom
2:01:34from hellfire and you also have sahi
2:01:36Muslim 2767
2:01:39which says that as well I can share that
2:01:41tab here says uh okay so here it is
2:01:43there will come people amongst the
2:01:45Muslims on the day of resurrection with
2:01:46heavy sins as mountains and Allah will
2:01:49forgive them and he will place in
2:01:50theirstead the Jews and the Christians.
2:01:53So you do believe in atonement. It's
2:01:55just we are your saviors in Islam.
2:02:01>> Human sacrifices.
2:02:03Both of these hadith. Here's the other
2:02:04one.
2:02:07>> Congratulations. You're no longer a
2:02:09Muslim.
2:02:12>> If it's a good enough reason to reject
2:02:14Christianity, then it's should be a good
2:02:16enough reason.
2:02:20I think I think uh I think he timed.
2:02:23>> He's saying he can't hear us. Uh
2:02:25>> Avery,
2:02:26>> I don't Why can't he hear you guys?
2:02:28>> Don't know.
2:02:31>> He should be able to hear. Uh Turkish,
2:02:33you there? Can you hear me at least?
2:02:36He's not even responding to me. That
2:02:38it's it'll be on his end.
2:02:40>> Yeah.
2:02:41>> Yeah. I can't hear him.
2:02:43>> No. Turkish. Did we lose you?
2:02:47You might have to
2:02:48>> Can you hear me?
2:02:49>> There we go.
2:02:50>> Now we can hear you. Yep.
2:02:51>> I can't hear you guys.
2:02:53>> Can you hear us now?
2:02:56>> Testing, testing, testing Turkish.
2:02:59Testing, testing Turkish.
2:03:02>> Come back.
2:03:08>> Tur Turkish.
2:03:12All right. It looks like we might I'm
2:03:13gonna tell them to
2:03:14>> Hey, hey, Turkish. Take think about
2:03:16these hadiths, think about what we
2:03:18talked about and do some more research
2:03:20because and check out my video John and
2:03:22Eyewitness account for all the evidence
2:03:24that John wrote the Gospel of John.
2:03:26There's a lot of good scholarship that
2:03:28gets ignored by scholars like Bartman
2:03:30that shows that that goes back to an
2:03:31eyewitness.
2:03:34>> I don't know if you can hear us uh
2:03:36Turkish, but um you can also check out
2:03:38Curios Philosophy. Curios Philosophy on
2:03:41YouTube. [clears throat]
2:03:42>> He is also
2:03:44>> Yes. great channel. He is also um a Turk
2:03:48as well and so you guys can speak your
2:03:50native you guys can uh converse in your
2:03:53native tongue without a language barrier
2:03:55and uh do your thing. Okay, so that's
2:03:59Curios Philosophy.
2:04:01All right, let me put in the chat for
2:04:03you.
2:04:04>> Hey Avery, I gota I got to take off. I
2:04:07got to go to um Ash Wednesday service.
2:04:09>> Oh yeah. Hey uh IP, I'm I'm going to go
2:04:12ahead and let you go, man. Uh, we we we
2:04:14full up here. So, I'm going to let you
2:04:16>> Okay.
2:04:17>> Hey, Avery, go ahead and kick go ahead
2:04:18and kick IP, man.
2:04:20>> Yeah, I'm going go ahead and kick IP,
2:04:21man. Go ahead and get out of here, man.
2:04:22Go ahead and go to church. You church.
2:04:24>> Thanks for having me. I've been fasting
2:04:25all day. Sorry I was a little bit
2:04:27snappy, but I appreciate coming on. I'll
2:04:29see you guys later.
2:04:30>> Hey, hey, when you fast, do not boast
2:04:32like the Muslims.
2:04:34[laughter]
2:04:36>> God bless you. Peace. Thank you.
2:04:38>> Thank you. See you guys. See you guys
2:04:39later.
2:04:41started off with too much cargo.
2:04:44[laughter]
2:04:45>> I'm gonna just bring life on stage just
2:04:47to fill out the space here.
2:04:49>> That's life.
2:04:50>> That's life. All right, let's um Tabal
2:04:53was next.
2:04:56>> Tabal, how you doing? Wait, what?
2:04:59There we go. Tal, you're on stage.
2:05:07Tal, you waited a long time, brother.
2:05:08You got to be here.
2:05:14Tabal going once.
2:05:17You were over here spamming in the chat
2:05:19to rise you up.
2:05:23>> All right. What was that? So, I guess he
2:05:27just waited all this time to troll, I
2:05:30guess. Insane.
2:05:31>> Omar, you're on stage.
2:05:34>> Okay. Can you hear me?
2:05:36>> Yes.
2:05:38>> Uh, yes. So I want to discuss the
2:05:40satanic verses.
2:05:44>> Okay. All right.
2:05:46>> Yeah. So I believe all of the reports
2:05:48are
2:05:50and you know all of our early scholars
2:05:53kafiri
2:05:56they all rejected. So I have no reason
2:05:57to believe that it actually happened.
2:06:00>> Uh yeah. Yeah. Two things. You're saying
2:06:03later Muslims rejected them. Uh for the
2:06:05first two centuries everyone accepted
2:06:07them. Um, and you said all the reports
2:06:09are mercile. That's false.
2:06:12>> Okay. Well, um, all of the early Muslims
2:06:14rejected them because we had no
2:06:17>> Whoa. Whoa. That's false.
2:06:18>> Sorry. Sorry. I misspoke. I meant all of
2:06:20the early Muslims accepted them. I'm not
2:06:23sure about Maybe they did. Maybe they
2:06:24did. But even if they did, that's
2:06:26because we had no methodology of
2:06:27authentication. The same way that early
2:06:30Christians accepted uh the pro proto
2:06:33evangelium of James, for example.
2:06:36>> Huh. Um, one, no, that's false. No,
2:06:40[laughter]
2:06:40the the proto the protoe evangelium of
2:06:42James is uh is second century. Um, when
2:06:46we talk about the satanic verses, we
2:06:48have a bunch of reports that go back to
2:06:50Iban Abbas, who was a companion of
2:06:52Muhammad and his cousin. So, this isn't
2:06:55something that came along um more than a
2:06:58century after the time of Muhammad. This
2:07:00is something that goes back to Iban
2:07:03Abbas himself. And we have a ton of
2:07:05these reports. And so we we have we have
2:07:07a we have about 50 we have about 50
2:07:10reports of the satanic verses. Um and so
2:07:13yeah, for basically if if you're so what
2:07:16you're saying is the Muslims in the
2:07:20first and second century didn't have the
2:07:22methodology in place to know that all of
2:07:26the the first century guys were all
2:07:28wrong. That's that sounds really weird
2:07:30to us. Like how you can have people like
2:07:32I Abbas who's a companion of Muhammad he
2:07:34doesn't know he doesn't have the correct
2:07:36methodology to know that this story that
2:07:38he passed on was incorrect and then you
2:07:41know two centuries later Muslims come up
2:07:43with a methodology
2:07:45to go back and say ibn Abbas didn't know
2:07:47what he was talking about that sounds
2:07:48really in other words it's usually the
2:07:51people who are closest to an event who
2:07:53know the most about it and people who
2:07:55come later they're in a different
2:07:57category in Islam you say okay all the
2:07:59early people they didn't know what
2:08:00they're talking about it's these later
2:08:01guys who came along and they know better
2:08:04and that's just really really strange to
2:08:06us.
2:08:07>> Yeah. So, um the report that that goes
2:08:10to NAB bus, um I'm pretty sure the chain
2:08:13breaks breaks down later on.
2:08:16>> There's multiple multiples.
2:08:18>> Yeah, there's there's multiple and we
2:08:19have and we have a a sahi a sahi chain.
2:08:24>> Uh who authenticates it?
2:08:28>> Do do we uh hang on I'm see if I uh
2:08:31>> I have the graph.
2:08:32>> Yeah, we have Yeah, we have it.
2:08:34>> We're just going to airdrop it so we can
2:08:35show you.
2:08:37Uh
2:08:39do you know do you take because one of
2:08:42your earliest
2:08:44>> Yeah. So he's just he says in that same
2:08:48uh in that same volume I'm pretty sure
2:08:50he says that he's just narrating stories
2:08:52rightating
2:08:54these things that he's hearing and he's
2:08:56not necessarily just picking out the
2:08:57authentic.
2:08:58>> I agree because it wasn't in his time.
2:09:00Obviously he's going to be narrating
2:09:01from somebody. But what my question is
2:09:03do you think the early Muslims made that
2:09:05story up?
2:09:07Um or do you not or do you think the my
2:09:10sorry I should make my question
2:09:12different. Do you think the early
2:09:13Muslims are honest and and trustworthy?
2:09:18>> When you say early Muslims, you mean the
2:09:20Sahaba or
2:09:21>> Yeah, the Sahaba and the Do you think
2:09:23they're
2:09:25believe that that any of the the reports
2:09:28go back to the Sahab? But also
2:09:30>> is not a but I'm telling you it doesn't
2:09:33go back to Abbas. So well my question is
2:09:36where did the story come from? Do you
2:09:38think the early Muslims made it up?
2:09:39>> So you're obviously aware about the this
2:09:41idea that people early on were making up
2:09:44hadiths, right? You guys use this
2:09:45against us. So you should know this.
2:09:47>> I'm asking you do you because you've got
2:09:51some of your trustworthy early Muslims
2:09:53that story went around them that it came
2:09:56from them. Even if if an interrupted
2:09:59chain doesn't mean it never happened.
2:10:01>> It means you have an interrupted chain
2:10:02and other chains can strengthen it. My
2:10:04question means I can't falsify nor
2:10:07verify verify.
2:10:09>> Okay. My question is do you think the
2:10:10early Muslims would make something up
2:10:13>> about Muhammad being inspired by the
2:10:16devil?
2:10:17>> If you mean if by early Muslims you mean
2:10:18Sahabah then? No, they wouldn't. But I
2:10:20don't believe any of this goes back to
2:10:22the Sahabah. I I don't got a chain.
2:10:25>> Okay.
2:10:25>> Yeah, we got the Sah chain for you.
2:10:27>> Yeah. And apart from that, we have I
2:10:29mean, think about this. We have 10
2:10:31reports. We have 10 reports that go back
2:10:33to Iban Abbas and we have a number of
2:10:35reports that go back uh separately to a
2:10:39number of his followers, his students
2:10:41and so on. So yeah, the I and uh there's
2:10:44something called the principle of
2:10:45embarrassment which means that
2:10:47>> criteria of embarrassment. Yeah, the
2:10:49before orthodoxy the book that you
2:10:50appeal to uses this I'm pretty sure.
2:10:53>> Yeah. So the the idea is simply that if
2:10:56uh you know if if people from a religion
2:10:58are making up stories, they're probably
2:10:59going to uh make up things that are
2:11:01positive, not negative. And so if you're
2:11:04saying that, you know, 10 reports go
2:11:06back to Ibn Abbas and then you have a
2:11:08bunch more that go back to his students,
2:11:11um, and these were all just made up.
2:11:13These were made up, it's like, okay, so
2:11:16why would a bunch of Muslims make up
2:11:19stories that say Muhammad couldn't tell
2:11:21the difference between a revelation from
2:11:23God and a revelation from Satan? That he
2:11:25was duped into committing the worst
2:11:27possible sin, promoting Sherk. And not
2:11:29just him, not just him committing sherk,
2:11:31but also convincing his followers to
2:11:34commit sherk and even getting the
2:11:36polytheist to join in in bowing down in
2:11:38honor of this revelation doesn't seem
2:11:42like anything a Muslim would have
2:11:44invented. And if a non-Muslim had
2:11:46invented it, it's very strange that
2:11:48Muslims would have picked up the story
2:11:50and then passed it on. So, uh, this
2:11:52looks this story looks like it's it's as
2:11:55about as reliable as anything. We have
2:11:57we have a ton of sources.
2:11:59>> We have a ton of sources. Again, 50
2:12:00sources. You got them all going all the
2:12:02way back to a ton of people in the first
2:12:04century. Just so you know, it's it's
2:12:05late it's later Muslims who changed the
2:12:07theology.
2:12:08>> Like that the theology in the first
2:12:09first century and a half, the doctrine
2:12:11of ismat alia, Allah's protection of the
2:12:13prophets was that Allah would protect a
2:12:16true prophet from persisting in any
2:12:18major error. In other words, a prophet
2:12:20can can be can be tricked or something
2:12:21like that, but Allah will rescue him out
2:12:23of that. So that was the doctrine. And
2:12:25the satanic versus story doesn't
2:12:26conflict with that. It fits in
2:12:27perfectly. So Muhammad delivers the
2:12:29satanic verses and then Allah brings him
2:12:31out of it. So it fit it didn't conflict
2:12:33with their theology. Later Muslims,
2:12:36later Muslims um theologians changed the
2:12:39doctrine so that Allah would protect a
2:12:40true prophet from committing any major
2:12:43error. All of a sudden be based on their
2:12:45new theology that they invented, the
2:12:48satanic versus story was in conflict.
2:12:50And then so they have to start
2:12:51marginalizing it and pretending it
2:12:53didn't happen. And then so uh so for the
2:12:56you know first two centuries everyone
2:12:57grants that it happened. After that you
2:12:59have a mixture of people some people
2:13:00saying it did happen and other people
2:13:02saying it didn't until you get to the
2:13:03modern times and there's a there's
2:13:05basically a consensus that it didn't
2:13:07happen. And we just look at that and
2:13:09it's like wait all the early guys they
2:13:11didn't know what they're talking about.
2:13:12Later guys come along make up a theology
2:13:15and then now Muslims don't believe that
2:13:17this ever happened. And that's just that
2:13:19looks like the opposite of the way to do
2:13:21history.
2:13:23>> Okay. So um I agree with you that early
2:13:25early sources usually get the story
2:13:28right but for example you have Erenus
2:13:30who believed that Jesus was 50 years old
2:13:32right that doesn't mean that Erenus is
2:13:35is now unreliable he's still an early
2:13:37church father he was writing in the year
2:13:39185 that's that's really early but but
2:13:42like I said the methodology of
2:13:44authentication right these rumors would
2:13:46spread around like like viruses right at
2:13:49an unprecedented rate people would would
2:13:51transmit them and uh now that we have
2:13:53this methodology of authentication, we
2:13:55can now verify whether these stories
2:13:58actually trace back to um the the
2:14:00followers of the prophets.
2:14:03>> No. Well, yeah. The problem here is the
2:14:05what you're calling the method of
2:14:06authentication that was invented by
2:14:09human beings. It's a terrible ridiculous
2:14:11methodology that no look even Yaser even
2:14:16he admitted that no one outside of Islam
2:14:18takes this method seriously. And you're
2:14:20saying and so but no it is very it's a
2:14:22very important point that this is a
2:14:24manmade this didn't come from a law
2:14:26saying this is the only way to determine
2:14:27whether something happened. This is a
2:14:29this is later Muslims saying um we've
2:14:31got a big mess here because people are
2:14:32inventing things but we know some things
2:14:34actually go back to Muhammad. We need a
2:14:35methodology and they did the best that
2:14:37they they did the best that they could.
2:14:39But for you to say oh here's a
2:14:40methodology developed by later Muslims
2:14:42and this just trumps everyone for the
2:14:44first two centuries of Islam. That
2:14:46sounds really really strange.
2:14:48So about what he meant I think was we
2:14:52have things like we we have these
2:14:53dogmatic beliefs like
2:14:56if these if they go if the Sahabah said
2:14:58it then since the Sahabah wouldn't lie
2:15:00then they have more precedence over uh
2:15:04any other any other claimant right that
2:15:06this isn't taken seriously by any
2:15:08orientalist however even if I use you
2:15:11know whatnatalis
2:15:13is
2:15:15>> yeah yeah
2:15:16>> it's an orientalist is critical
2:15:18methodology, right? I could use that
2:15:19instead if you don't like the the
2:15:22typical hadith hadith science approach.
2:15:24>> Can I ask you um how many hundreds of
2:15:26years then do you you would you say it
2:15:29took for things to be great for things
2:15:31to be reliable and for that methodology
2:15:34to actually be effective?
2:15:37>> Um I don't understand the question.
2:15:39>> You said the early things you didn't
2:15:41have the methodology good yet, right?
2:15:44>> Uh yeah, we didn't have a methodology.
2:15:46It doesn't mean that you can't believe
2:15:47anything.
2:15:48>> Okay, I'm I'm with you. I'm asking you
2:15:50when did the methodology kick in? Like
2:15:52how many how many years
2:15:54>> methodology
2:15:55was early?
2:15:57>> Uh
2:15:58you can you can give me like
2:16:00>> what was the first collection
2:16:04Malik I think?
2:16:05>> Yeah. So
2:16:06>> So how many just for people watching how
2:16:08many years is that?
2:16:12>> Uh I think it was 150.
2:16:15>> 150. So every anything after 150 should
2:16:17be good. Now methodology is known.
2:16:21>> Um
2:16:23if you mean there's no methodology to
2:16:25distinguish truth from falsehood.
2:16:27>> No, you said the methodology that you
2:16:29need it for to make sure things are good
2:16:32needs time, right?
2:16:34>> That's why your later sources you you
2:16:36take them more, right?
2:16:39So when I say later sources, I mean uh
2:16:42the late I mean the the later scholars,
2:16:45right?
2:16:45>> Okay, I'm with you. So you said it for
2:16:47that methodology to to kick in, it took
2:16:49until which is about 150 years, correct?
2:16:52>> Yeah. Yeah, sure.
2:16:53>> Okay. Wahi lived around 400 years after
2:16:58Muhammad. He mentions that story of
2:17:00satanic verses in his uh as
2:17:05>> okay [clears throat]
2:17:06>> many hundreds of years after
2:17:11>> we can show you dates
2:17:13>> many many dates of many scholars hadith
2:17:15scholars that are
2:17:17>> 200 years 300 years 400 years later that
2:17:21are still attributing
2:17:22>> it to Abbas
2:17:24>> okay so obviously I'm never going to
2:17:26believe that the prophet spoke something
2:17:28satan Why not? Wait, wait. Why not?
2:17:30Because you said you trust the
2:17:31methodology. Now your Now your issue is
2:17:34not methodology anymore. It's belief.
2:17:37>> It's not historical evidence. It's what?
2:17:38Not what your scholars say. Not even
2:17:40what your trust in methodology is. Now
2:17:42the issue is you you just don't want to
2:17:44believe it about your prophet. That's
2:17:45something we can't change. That's your
2:17:46heart. You're saying about evidence from
2:17:49your sources. Even later ones said yes
2:17:52to that story. So who who did you say
2:17:56400 years after the prophet?
2:17:59>> Yeah. So for example when I when I said
2:18:02the later the later are more reliable. I
2:18:04meant the people.
2:18:06>> No I asked you and you said and you told
2:18:08me about around 150 years. You can't
2:18:09take that back.
2:18:10>> No no
2:18:11>> and I asked you according to your
2:18:12standards and you said
2:18:15Malik he isn't the one making the claim.
2:18:17He's
2:18:17>> I know but I asked you when did the
2:18:19methodology kick in. I don't I didn't
2:18:20mean that he made the claim. I said when
2:18:22did the good methodology kick in? You
2:18:24saidund around 150 years around the time
2:18:26of m. I said well people hundreds of
2:18:29years after still said yes to that
2:18:31story.
2:18:33>> Okay.
2:18:33>> And the methodology is all good and
2:18:35established for hundreds of years.
2:18:37>> Okay. So so let let me let me draw you
2:18:39this for a second. Do do you think this
2:18:41disproves Islam?
2:18:42>> Yes. Well, lots of things disprove
2:18:44Islam. I think this is this shows that
2:18:47um that story is happened and that story
2:18:51like because that's why you don't want
2:18:52to believe it because you know what it
2:18:54means. You know that means the devil
2:18:58made Muhammad say according to the story
2:19:01he said
2:19:05they are the high cranes
2:19:09um and and their intercession is to be
2:19:13uh desired.
2:19:15>> The reason I don't believe it is because
2:19:17right there's this consistent theme
2:19:19within our tradition and the Quran that
2:19:21the prophet constantly shuns idols. He
2:19:23hated idols his entire life. I was
2:19:25>> Yeah. idols in his house.
2:19:26>> Yeah. And and no, he didn't sh them. No,
2:19:29listen. Listen to me. When he was thea
2:19:33when he used thea as a
2:19:36>> he hadn't he hadn't removed the 360
2:19:38idols from there yet. For years he was
2:19:40using conquered when they conquered
2:19:42Mecca he went and he smashed.
2:19:43>> I agree. But before that he used a a
2:19:46shrine full of idols 360 idols as a as a
2:19:51a he still hated idols. He he used the
2:19:54Mecca as sorry as a
2:19:56>> Yeah. So he used that was full of idols.
2:19:59>> He believed if he was a true prophet if
2:20:01he was a true prophet he should have
2:20:03waited for it to be purified because he
2:20:05was he was going towards it when it was
2:20:07full of impurity.
2:20:09>> No I I disagree.
2:20:11>> But even if you disagree with that the
2:20:13story with the satanic verses is
2:20:16established in your tradition. You don't
2:20:17want to believe it. That's your issue.
2:20:19My point is with your methodology,
2:20:22your tradition says yes to it. It
2:20:25happened. You can't get away from it.
2:20:28>> Is earlier is early and he he rejected.
2:20:32He said,
2:20:33>> "No, no, he didn't. What are you talking
2:20:34about?" No. No, he didn't. Iben Hashem
2:20:37who says that he started omitting uh
2:20:39embarrassing stories. Iben Hashem
2:20:42omitted the story from his rescion of
2:20:45Iban Assach. But other people quote
2:20:47Ibnak for the story. So just because a
2:20:49later rescion omits the story because it
2:20:52was embarrassing doesn't mean that Ibnb
2:20:54we know Ibn Isach. That's that's who Tab
2:20:56quotes and other people quoted uh quoted
2:20:58Ibnisak for the story. Uh but what you
2:21:00just put what you pointed out a few
2:21:01minutes ago that you you just can't
2:21:02believe Muhammad did this. Isn't that a
2:21:04better explanation for why later Muslims
2:21:06started rejecting the story? Just like
2:21:08they understood the implications like
2:21:10look at the implications of Muhammad
2:21:12committing sherk and con convincing his
2:21:15followers to commit sherk committing the
2:21:16worst possible sin and being tricked by
2:21:18Satan. Later Muslims understood the
2:21:20implications. So what would be the
2:21:21explanation for earlier Muslims
2:21:23accepting the story? Is it not they were
2:21:25just they were just they knew it
2:21:27happened. They knew it happened so they
2:21:28couldn't deny it. Later Muslims who are
2:21:29further away they can deny it. They
2:21:31don't they don't know that it happened
2:21:33because they're farther away from the
2:21:34events and they can actually invent a
2:21:36methodology to rule out uh embarrassing
2:21:40material from them. And again, as you as
2:21:42as you as we saw with the with Iban
2:21:44Assad, they're act they're they're
2:21:46actively deleting embarrassing material.
2:21:48And the the real takeaway here is like
2:21:50how man-made this this religion is. It's
2:21:53later theologians who invent a
2:21:55theological idea that doesn't come from
2:21:57God. It doesn't come from Allah. It's a
2:21:59man-made uh theology, a man-made
2:22:02doctrine, and then they use that to
2:22:04rewrite history and to erase history.
2:22:06They come up with a historical
2:22:08methodology. That meth that historical
2:22:10methodology wasn't commanded by Allah or
2:22:12Muhammad. It's a man-made methodology
2:22:13and they'll use that to throw out all
2:22:15kinds of stuff that went back to the fir
2:22:18to the first century. And when you
2:22:19combine this with everything else like
2:22:20the oh, they're a 10k, no, they're seven
2:22:22kid out, no, they're 10k out, no they're
2:22:24this kid out, and so on. This is these
2:22:25are these are human beings making these
2:22:27decisions and those human beings because
2:22:30they had political power behind them um
2:22:33were able to impose their ideas and
2:22:35suddenly you've got Muslims today and
2:22:36they think all this stuff is just part
2:22:38of Islam and part of the religion it's
2:22:39all from Allah and it's like what are
2:22:41you talking about every almost
2:22:42everything I see from you guys came from
2:22:44a human being long after the time of
2:22:46Allah or Muhammad and we just it it just
2:22:49look look doesn't look good doesn't look
2:22:51good
2:22:51>> but naturally everyone's going to
2:22:53develop some sort of historical
2:22:55methodology to determine falsehood from
2:22:57from truth. I mean I mean just because
2:22:59it's man-made doesn't falsify it. Also
2:23:02like I said the it's not metan analysis
2:23:04we have hadith that are so that are so
2:23:07corroborated and massly attested to that
2:23:10how Moski for example he's an
2:23:12orientalist says something like Jabl
2:23:14right where comes as a white man and he
2:23:17has no signs of travel on him. And he
2:23:20says that this without a doubt is
2:23:22something that the eyewitnesses attested
2:23:24to.
2:23:25>> Right.
2:23:26>> Um yeah, let me let me go and let me go
2:23:27and quote someone a little a little more
2:23:28recent. So Joshua Little after
2:23:30discussing all after discussing all the
2:23:32various uh non-Muslim and Muslim um
2:23:35scholars of hadiths. He sort of lays
2:23:38down uh lays down
2:23:42uh the scholarly position on hadiths. It
2:23:45says uh he says here in his Oxford
2:23:47dissertation that hadith are unreliable
2:23:50that any given Matten cannot be taken at
2:23:53face value as an accurate datim from the
2:23:55first Islamic century and that any given
2:23:57is not cannot be taken at face value as
2:23:59an accurate record of a Matten's
2:24:01providence cannot be seriously contested
2:24:03for multiple reasons. He said you can't
2:24:05even you can't even question that you
2:24:06can't take these things seriously. says
2:24:08first there is an overwhelming prior
2:24:10probability based on the ubiquity of
2:24:12fabrication and sud epigraphy in late
2:24:14antique and medieval religio historical
2:24:17pagan Jewish and Christian descriptions.
2:24:19In other words, there were tons of
2:24:20people inventing stuff uh during this
2:24:21time. Secondly, there is the high
2:24:23frequency of contradictions within the
2:24:25hadith corpus which necessitates the
2:24:28occurrence of a huge amount of
2:24:29fabrication, interpolation andor
2:24:32mutation and therefore skepticism
2:24:34towards any given hadith. Thirdly, there
2:24:37is the ubiquity of fabrication and
2:24:39interpolation, both reported and
2:24:41demonstrable, in the hadith corpus,
2:24:43which again casts doubt upon the rest of
2:24:45the corpus. Fourthly, there is the rapid
2:24:47extreme mutation and growth of reports
2:24:49that evidently took place over the
2:24:51course of a century or more of oral
2:24:53tradition, which means that any given
2:24:55matten, regardless of the isnad, is
2:24:58likely at best heavily distorted and at
2:25:01worst obliterated beyond its original
2:25:04form. So this is they have a they're
2:25:07pretty darn skeptical of the entire
2:25:10hadith methodology. But given what
2:25:12you're saying right now, given what
2:25:13you're saying, we have additional reason
2:25:15uh to be extremely skeptical. Any his
2:25:17any history that later hadith scholars
2:25:20are saying up this is as good as gold.
2:25:22It had to go through that first two
2:25:24centuries. It had to make it through
2:25:26those first two centuries. If the guys
2:25:28in the first two centuries don't have a
2:25:30methodology and they they can't tell the
2:25:32difference like like the satanic verses
2:25:34like just as Muhammad couldn't tell the
2:25:36difference between a revelation from God
2:25:37a revelation from Satan according to the
2:25:39story but you reject that. You're
2:25:41telling us that the first two centuries
2:25:43of Muslims couldn't tell the difference
2:25:44between a true story about Muhammad and
2:25:46a false story about Muhammad. So, how in
2:25:48the name of common sense are later
2:25:50people who had this big mess to deal
2:25:52with looking back and saying, "Well,
2:25:54here are all these guys who couldn't
2:25:55tell the difference between truth and
2:25:56falsehood because they didn't have a
2:25:58methodology, but now we have a
2:25:59methodology and we can get to the truth
2:26:01about Muhammad.
2:26:02>> How how are you getting to it? You have
2:26:04a you have a bunch of stuff from a bunch
2:26:05of guys who couldn't who couldn't even
2:26:07tell the who couldn't tell the
2:26:08difference between uh something that
2:26:09someone made up and something that was
2:26:10uh was authentic. That seems to cast
2:26:12doubt on everything." thing. And I have
2:26:14to say, if your first two centuries of
2:26:16guys uh couldn't tell the difference
2:26:18between a madeup story and a true story,
2:26:20I have no reason to think that later
2:26:22guys are going to with their invented
2:26:24methodology, they're going to be able to
2:26:25figure out the true history. But also, I
2:26:27have to say, the same guys who are
2:26:29protecting the history of Muhammad for
2:26:30those first two centuries, those are the
2:26:32same guys who are protecting the Quran.
2:26:33If these were a bunch of unreliable
2:26:35morons who couldn't who didn't know the
2:26:36truth,
2:26:38>> there there goes anything we could
2:26:39possibly know about your your prophet.
2:26:42>> Okay. So, so the early the early people,
2:26:45yeah, it was more speculative and that's
2:26:47the case, you know, with any historical
2:26:48figure early on, you know, when you have
2:26:50these people attesting to these things
2:26:52and it's being transmitted, you know,
2:26:54but but they had some sort of even
2:26:57though it was speculative, they would be
2:26:58able to know with some sort degree of
2:27:01certainty, for example, the
2:27:02trustworthiness of that person, right?
2:27:03If that person's trustworthy and he's
2:27:05saying this, then then they'd have a
2:27:07power. How would how would uh how would
2:27:09someone during the time of Bkari know
2:27:11that someone let's say one century
2:27:13earlier was reliable?
2:27:17>> So it's a chain. You don't they don't
2:27:20know that person but the person who
2:27:22passed it on to them claimed that the
2:27:23person who passed it on to him was
2:27:25reliable. And that person
2:27:27>> But how do you know how do you how do
2:27:28you know if if someone Okay. So if
2:27:30someone in let's say uh let's say 680
2:27:35680
2:27:36AD u tells a story uh how does Bkari
2:27:41know that that person is reliable?
2:27:45You're saying that he would it would be
2:27:47someone else who came after him who said
2:27:50it. Okay. How do you know that what that
2:27:52person said is accurate and not made up?
2:27:56And the reason I'm pointing this out is
2:27:58>> corroborated by who?
2:28:00>> Corroborated by who?
2:28:02>> By someone else. That's the point. It's
2:28:03an infinite regress. You never get to a
2:28:05point where you say this person
2:28:06>> No, no. When I say corroborated, I mean
2:28:08somebody else came to Bkari and he told
2:28:10them the same story.
2:28:12>> Okay. [laughter]
2:28:16>> Someone else someone else someone else
2:28:18came to Bkari and told a story. How do
2:28:21you know the same false story? You're
2:28:23you're the one granting that we can have
2:28:2450 sources on the satanic verses and
2:28:26they're all made up. Okay. So, if 50 if
2:28:3050 sources are all presented to us, that
2:28:33should be corroboration. Matter of fact,
2:28:35that would be like a ton of
2:28:36corroboration.
2:28:37>> Corroboration isn't the only criteria,
2:28:39right?
2:28:41>> Right. One of one of the criteria became
2:28:44you can't say anything that's just uh uh
2:28:46makes Muhammad look like a false.
2:28:48>> No, that's not true. I mean you have for
2:28:51example the things that use against us
2:28:52like right this is something people
2:28:54attested to right if if they wanted to
2:28:56they could have just kept it to
2:28:57themselves every single scholar says the
2:29:00hadith is authentic was married at seven
2:29:02and the marriage was consemated at 9
2:29:04right we people admit to these things we
2:29:06don't
2:29:08>> because because your hadith scholars
2:29:10didn't regard that as something that was
2:29:12embarrassing for Muhammad they were fine
2:29:14with that other things like say like the
2:29:16satanic verses they understood were
2:29:18embarrassing and made Muhammad look like
2:29:21a false prophet. So, they start weeding
2:29:23that sort of thing out. The point is,
2:29:25uh, we don't we don't uh we don't have
2:29:27that that just that automatic gut
2:29:30reaction. Oh, anything that makes
2:29:32Muhammad look like a false prophet must
2:29:34be made up. We're just looking at it
2:29:36from a historical perspective going, if
2:29:38everyone for the first two centuries
2:29:39says this story is as good as gold, we
2:29:41can't think of a reason to make up such
2:29:43a story. Um, if we matter, I mean, I'll
2:29:46say if we know anything about Muhammad,
2:29:48we we know we know things like this,
2:29:49things where
2:29:50>> there's just there's just no reason to
2:29:52make this sort of thing up. And if
2:29:53someone did make it up, they would have
2:29:55gotten they would have they would have
2:29:56attacked him for lying about a prophet
2:29:58and embarrassing him and accusing
2:29:59Muhammad of sure. Instead, they all just
2:30:01pass on the story and say, "Yep, this is
2:30:02a good story."
2:30:04>> Okay, so that so that would meet the
2:30:05criteria of embarrassment. Now, for
2:30:07example, the miracles of the prophet
2:30:09would meet the criteria of independent
2:30:11attestation and the criteria of
2:30:12dissimilarity. Why don't you accept that
2:30:14the prophet did miracles?
2:30:16>> Uh because the this would this would be
2:30:19this would be a situation where you've
2:30:20got your earliest source. It completely
2:30:22denies that Muhammad performed miracles.
2:30:24>> Doesn't say he doesn't do miracles
2:30:27and misunderstanding it. You're
2:30:28misunderstanding the verse. First,
2:30:30>> what do you mean? What what do you mean
2:30:31verse? Verse is in a ton of them.
2:30:34>> Okay. Okay. So in surah 37 uh it talks
2:30:38about Muhammad peace upon doing signs
2:30:40and and they reject and they say passing
2:30:42m magic and that's the same thing that
2:30:43said about prophets when they do
2:30:45miracles and uh they reject
2:30:48>> sorry will you get the verse surah 37
2:30:51verse what
2:30:51>> surah they it's
2:30:56>> just so we can look it up
2:30:57>> yeah uh 14 to 15
2:31:01>> okay
2:31:02>> also the the night journey the night
2:31:04journey is is a is a miraculous thing
2:31:06that is mentioned within the Quran where
2:31:08he was
2:31:09>> that's not Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just
2:31:11keep in mind that's that's some sort of
2:31:12vision or whatever it is by Muhammad.
2:31:14It's not a vision. This says where's the
2:31:18took his servant?
2:31:19>> Do you know Hang on. Hang on. Hang on.
2:31:20Do you know what a miracle is?
2:31:22>> Yeah. So you're going to say this is an
2:31:24experience, right?
2:31:26>> I'm I'm saying I'm saying the Quran
2:31:27doesn't say. But what witnesses are
2:31:29there? What what witnesses are there of
2:31:31the uh
2:31:32>> right now? What if the right now we're
2:31:34talking about if the Quran claims that
2:31:36he does miracles not
2:31:37>> okay okay okay if you're saying okay
2:31:39what they're challenging Muhammad on is
2:31:41why isn't why doesn't he come with a
2:31:42sign in other words here guys look this
2:31:44is how you know this guy's a true
2:31:46prophet saying Muhammad coming out and
2:31:47saying wow you know uh I just went on a
2:31:50you know Barack and I flew here and I
2:31:52flew there and so on then I went up to
2:31:53heaven that's not that's not a sign that
2:31:56doesn't that that's nothing anyone can
2:31:57verify I could come to you right now and
2:31:58say man I just went around the world a
2:32:00thousand times on a uh on a on a flying
2:32:02hang donkey and so on. That doesn't
2:32:04that's not a sign to you. I'd have to
2:32:06you would need some sort of confirmation
2:32:08of that. But let let me just let me just
2:32:10let me just read for for anyone who
2:32:11doesn't I know you're familiar with the
2:32:12verses. Let me just tell people what
2:32:14we're talking about so they know what
2:32:14we're talking about. Should read a
2:32:15couple passages. So surah 6:37 and they
2:32:18say why has not a sign been sent down to
2:32:20him from his lord say surely Allah is
2:32:22best able to send out a sign but most of
2:32:24them do not know. Just read a couple and
2:32:26I'll I'll give people like why why we
2:32:27think this way. Surah 10:20. And they
2:32:29say, "Why is not a sign sent to him from
2:32:31his lord? Say, the unseen is only for a
2:32:34law. Therefore, wait. I surely surely I
2:32:36too with you am of those who wait."
2:32:39Surah 11:12. Then it may be that you
2:32:42will give up part of what is revealed to
2:32:43you and your breast will become
2:32:45straightened by it because they say,
2:32:47"Why has not a treasure been sent down
2:32:49upon him or an angel come with him?" You
2:32:51are only a warner, and Allah is custo
2:32:53custodian over all things. 13:7 And
2:32:56those who disbelieve say, "Why has not a
2:32:58sign been sent down upon him from his
2:33:01Lord? You are only a warner, and there
2:33:03is a guide for every people." 13:27 And
2:33:06those who disbelieve say, "Why is not a
2:33:07sign sent down upon him by his Lord,
2:33:09say, Surely Allah makes him who will go
2:33:12astray, and guides to himself those who
2:33:14turn to him uh to turn to him." 17:59,
2:33:18"And nothing could have hindered us that
2:33:19we should send signs except that the
2:33:21ancients rejected them." And then uh
2:33:2429:50-51 IP already read this but and
2:33:27they say why are not signs sent down
2:33:29upon him from his lord say the signs are
2:33:32only with a law and I am only a plain
2:33:34warner is it not enough for them that we
2:33:36have revealed to you the book which is
2:33:38recited to them most surely there is a
2:33:40mercy in this and a reminder for a
2:33:41people who believe so the idea here is
2:33:43we go to the hadith and Muhammad's
2:33:44performing miracles all over the place
2:33:46and shooting water from his hands and u
2:33:48you know splitting the moon and so on
2:33:51and yet in the Quran when Muhammad is
2:33:53repeatedly challenged. Why can't why
2:33:56doesn't this guy have any miracles?
2:33:58Allah repeated, "Oh, he's only a warner.
2:33:59It's because of this. It's because
2:34:00people in the past didn't do it." It's
2:34:02like, if Muhammad were going around
2:34:04performing miracles, then when someone
2:34:05says, "Why didn't he perform miracles?"
2:34:07The response should have been, "What are
2:34:07you talking about? He just split the
2:34:08moon." What are you talking about? He
2:34:09shoots water out of his fingers. What
2:34:10are you talking about? But that's never
2:34:12that's never the response. In other
2:34:14words, when we look at the Quran and we
2:34:16look at uh the Hadith and we see in the
2:34:19Quran, we see in the Quran itself over
2:34:21and over again, people are like, "If you
2:34:22want us to believe in this guy, where's
2:34:23the miracles?" And during his time, it's
2:34:26it's like the reverse of the satanic
2:34:27verses. During his time, you can't just
2:34:29say, "Oh, he's performing all these
2:34:30miracles." People knew. They they they
2:34:32could tell he didn't perform any signs.
2:34:33So, Allah has to explain why there are
2:34:35no signs. Later, Muslims who can make up
2:34:38whatever they want are still confronted
2:34:40with the same thing. Islam is spreading
2:34:41and Jews and Christians are constantly
2:34:43challenging them. Where's this guy's
2:34:44miracles? All of a sudden, oh yeah, he
2:34:47did this. Oh yeah, he shot water out of
2:34:49his fingers and so on. It's the reverse
2:34:50of the satanic verses. Uh in in um in
2:34:54for the satanic verses, it's the early
2:34:56people who know it happened. Later
2:34:58people who can make things up, they come
2:34:59up with a theology to rule it out. When
2:35:01it comes to miracles, the earliest
2:35:03sources, the Quran, say that Muhammad
2:35:05couldn't perform miracles. It's later
2:35:06Muslims who say, "Yeah, he did." you
2:35:08consistently go with what later people
2:35:10say and reject the earliest information.
2:35:13If your religion requires this, why
2:35:15should we take it why should we take
2:35:17this seriously?
2:35:19>> Yeah. So my understanding of the the
2:35:22verse that you quoted is that what what
2:35:24this verse is trying to emphasize is
2:35:26that the prophet he himself has no
2:35:28innate ability to miracles. It's Allah
2:35:31who chooses when the miracles happen,
2:35:33right? And it's meant to emphasize that
2:35:35he's just a a human messenger and it's
2:35:37only Allah who will choose when when a
2:35:39miracle happens. And that's and I quoted
2:35:41to you surah 37 uh I think it was verse
2:35:4413 to 14 where it talks about him doing
2:35:46a sign and they say passing magic and
2:35:49even though you say this doesn't say
2:35:50that you split the moon while in the
2:35:52very next verse says whenever yet
2:35:54whenever they see a sign they turn away
2:35:56saying old magic. So this is it's
2:35:59there's this uh implicit idea that that
2:36:03this is a miracle. This also you thing
2:36:06you said about the earliest followers. I
2:36:08I already told you for example Harold
2:36:10Mosski says that yes these things go
2:36:12back to the eyewitnesses and the
2:36:14earliest the earliest Muslims believe
2:36:16that Muhammad did miracles.
2:36:18>> Uh actually u I don't know your name.
2:36:20Sorry. Inah surah 6 verse 109 it says
2:36:26they swear by Allah the most solemn oath
2:36:30if a sign were to come to them not from
2:36:32Muhammad if a sign were to come to them
2:36:37they will believe in it say
2:36:41signs are only with Allah
2:36:43>> exactly that's my point Allah chooses
2:36:46Allah chooses
2:36:47>> I know and then he says and uh And
2:36:52and what will make you believe realize
2:36:54that even if a sign were to come to them
2:36:56that they would not believe it doesn't
2:36:58say that a sign came to them. If a sign
2:37:00had come Allah should have said well
2:37:02there's the sign
2:37:03>> and and the actually about the one that
2:37:06you brought about oh if a verse comes to
2:37:09them actually your scholars disagree on
2:37:11what that means. Some say it just means
2:37:13uh like like it just means when he
2:37:16brings them proofs mind by the mind not
2:37:19actual like you know the [clears throat]
2:37:21of the Quran they're called the same
2:37:23word the same word wait one second it's
2:37:25the same word for miracles so at the
2:37:27very least even if I grant you some of
2:37:29these verses at the very least it's a
2:37:30contradiction in your in your Quran a
2:37:33lot [clears throat] of verses say they
2:37:34ask for a birth they sorry they ask for
2:37:36a miracle they ask for a miracle and
2:37:38Allah keeps saying miracles are only
2:37:40with Allah miracles are only with Allah
2:37:42means they haven't witnessed it.
2:37:44>> But okay, so
2:37:45>> it's a contradiction. Some say no.
2:37:46[laughter]
2:37:47And they they swore by the most
2:37:50>> solemn oath. Just show us something.
2:37:53And he he he didn't say you you saw
2:37:56something. He said, "Well, how do I know
2:37:57if you believe if you see one?"
2:37:59>> Okay. Okay. Let me answer that. So uh
2:38:02the thing about um uh you know they them
2:38:06taking an oath and then signs only with
2:38:08Allah. This is my point, right? is look
2:38:10at Moses for example. Was Moses just you
2:38:12know doing miracles?
2:38:13>> I don't care about Moses. Moses showed
2:38:15something.
2:38:16>> Exactly. But it was
2:38:21you
2:38:23you can't you can't compare Muhammad to
2:38:25Moses. Moses showed a physical sign.
2:38:28>> Muhammad's miracles are the most massly
2:38:30attested to than any other prophet. And
2:38:32and this is you're just joking. You're
2:38:34just you're just joking. Quran said if
2:38:37if he if everybody saw the miracle why
2:38:39would they say I we swear by the most
2:38:41oath if you just show us something we
2:38:43believe and Allah says miracles only
2:38:45with me with me means it's not with them
2:38:47>> okay for people in front of people to
2:38:50show people miracles with Allah is no
2:38:52good to me
2:38:52>> we're going to move on
2:38:53>> in front of me the verse says how do I
2:38:56know if you show them
2:38:57>> that they won't believe
2:38:59>> that doesn't mean a miracle came
2:39:01>> we're gonna move on we got other guests
2:39:03>> thank you Omar for participating man
2:39:05thank you for that good back and forth.
2:39:07Uh, I appreciate that, bro. Come back
2:39:09again. Okay.
2:39:11>> Okay.
2:39:11>> All right. Take care, man. All right.
2:39:14So, that was Omar. Uh, we're at 2 hours
2:39:18or 39 minutes. I was thinking we could
2:39:20go to three hours. Um, and then probably
2:39:22wrap it up there. Um, you know, unless
2:39:24you guys got some more more you guys
2:39:27want to get into and want to flush this
2:39:28in a little bit more. So, you guys let
2:39:30me know how you guys are feeling when we
2:39:31get to three hour mark. Okay. You guys
2:39:33feel like dipping out. Hey yo, uh, hats
2:39:35off to, uh, Omar. He, uh, he's at least
2:39:38familiar with with some of the
2:39:40scholarship and so on. I mean, sitting
2:39:41there citing Matsky and so on. That's
2:39:43good.
2:39:44>> But he did say that he can't he just
2:39:45can't believe that Muhammad did that. I
2:39:46had say
2:39:47>> no. And and really that's the real
2:39:48reason. That's the that's the only real
2:39:50reason for rejecting the satanic first.
2:39:52There's no way that happened.
2:39:55>> Yep. Uh, that that's funny that that's
2:39:57what that's what it turned to. like it
2:39:59started off with him seemingly coming
2:40:03from a historical and logical
2:40:04perspective, but then it turned into it
2:40:07really came out and was revealed, okay,
2:40:09I I I just can't believe that Muhammad
2:40:11would ever
2:40:12>> would ever do this or this would happen
2:40:14to him. It can't happen. So, that's
2:40:16where his um his religious bias came
2:40:19out, you know. So, uh yeah. All right,
2:40:22let's get to some super chats. We have a
2:40:25lot of them
2:40:26>> from the last time we I read. So, uh,
2:40:30let's try to get like a chunk in there
2:40:31and then we'll bring up our next guest.
2:40:33Okay. All right. So, we [clears throat]
2:40:35got follower of of itchies says, "Yes,
2:40:39an an assembly of some of the greatest
2:40:42Christian apologists." Oh, hi Mike
2:40:45Winger.
2:40:47>> Hey, a Mike Winger joke. Good. That's so
2:40:49original.
2:40:50[sighs and gasps]
2:40:51>> DLC versus Kora, the female Muslim DA
2:40:55debate.
2:40:56Oh man,
2:40:57>> we did speak to her once.
2:40:58>> Yeah.
2:40:59>> And she just appeared after that off Tik
2:41:00Tok for like months. [snorts]
2:41:02>> Yeah.
2:41:04>> Yeah. Her name was Talia at the time. It
2:41:06was Talia.
2:41:07>> Mhm.
2:41:08>> She was pretending to be like, "Oh, I'm
2:41:10just studying this out." And we gave her
2:41:12the evidence and then she disappeared
2:41:13for
2:41:14>> disappeared. She was actually She didn't
2:41:16give any [clears throat] push back.
2:41:17>> No,
2:41:18>> that's cuz she couldn't.
2:41:19>> Yeah,
2:41:20>> she couldn't. She couldn't. And she she
2:41:22was just up there learning.
2:41:24>> Yeah. I'm just learning. No, I'm just
2:41:25learning. But you should have seen her
2:41:27her other energy when it came to other
2:41:28panels and how she would her her energy
2:41:31was so different.
2:41:33>> But yeah, she uh she was supposed to
2:41:34come back and never never did. Never
2:41:36did.
2:41:36>> Yeah. I wonder why. Wonder why.
2:41:38>> Wonder why.
2:41:40Uh oh, this was IP, but he's gone. But
2:41:42he says, "Tomorrow a Muslim will convert
2:41:44will convert you. Inshallah." [laughter]
2:41:48Nice.
2:41:50What's my dog Sam Shimone? Where is my
2:41:52dog Sam Shimone? The goat. Uh he I think
2:41:55he's over there doing another live on
2:41:56the Trinity. Farah says, "You're long
2:42:00overdue for a Christian stream. Would
2:42:02love to share our persecution story on
2:42:05there. God bless you and your ministry,
2:42:08brother." I agree, Farah. It is about
2:42:11that time. It is about that time. I'm
2:42:14going to be quiet today because I'm
2:42:16scared of Avery. Love you guys. See,
2:42:19that's somebody with some sense.
2:42:21>> That's a shout out to [laughter]
2:42:23>> [gasps]
2:42:24>> Shout out to Ministry from Houston. But
2:42:28what's with people What's with the
2:42:30people that believe in the
2:42:33>> something?
2:42:35>> Are y'all familiar?
2:42:37>> Yeah, that's like the um uh you know the
2:42:40Egyptian
2:42:41>> symbol. Yeah.
2:42:42>> Yeah. The they Yeah. They uh they they
2:42:44believe that like the
2:42:46people like originate from Egypt
2:42:48originally.
2:42:48>> That's a thing that looks like a cross
2:42:49but it has a loop at the top.
2:42:51>> Yeah.
2:42:53It's like uh Yeah. Like they try to, you
2:42:56know, do like African spirituality and
2:42:59try to ancient Egypt, you know.
2:43:00>> Yeah. Try to be all deep and woke.
2:43:02>> Yeah. Exactly.
2:43:03>> And unfortunately that that wokeness
2:43:06leads them into worshiping a dung
2:43:07beetle.
2:43:08>> So I mean, hey, be my guest.
2:43:11>> Yeah.
2:43:12>> Be my guest. So is this going to be an
2:43:16eight hour live stream given listen to
2:43:18you for uh listen to you for? I expect
2:43:21it to finish 5:00 p. p.m. my time.
2:43:24Thanks. Uh, you know, we'll see. We'll
2:43:27see what the Lord has in store. We'll
2:43:29see what the Lord has in store. Dr.
2:43:31Wood, please read your email. It's not
2:43:34going to happen. Z. Yeah, I do when I
2:43:36can, but [laughter]
2:43:39hey, one second. One second. One second.
2:43:40One second. Just give me give me one
2:43:42second here. Um, I have 2522,51
2:43:49unread emails. So,
2:43:51>> yeah, some emails going to fall through
2:43:53the cracks there. It's just
2:43:55>> No, you need to read every single one of
2:43:56them in context. Okay, that's your
2:44:00mission. What's your favorite quote? Get
2:44:03off my stage. You're done here. Are you
2:44:06okay? Get diverse or all we do is read.
2:44:10>> All we do is read. All we do is read is
2:44:13my favorite quote. Good one.
2:44:14>> And that can only be the only
2:44:15competition is uh what's the NGO?
2:44:17>> What's the NGO?
2:44:19>> I agree. Now it's what's a debate.
2:44:21That's up there, too. Honorable mention.
2:44:24What's [snorts] the debate? David pulled
2:44:26a Uno reverse because him late now. Oh,
2:44:30because I'm late now. I'm late now.
2:44:32That's funny.
2:44:32>> Quit being late.
2:44:34>> Thank you, Jai. DLC, Inspiring
2:44:37Philosophy, God Logic, and David Wood
2:44:38for your tireless work defending
2:44:41Christianity with clarity, courage, and
2:44:44truth. Your teaching equips us and
2:44:46strengthens our faith. Amen. Amen. All
2:44:50glory to God. All glory to the most high
2:44:53God. Valentine [snorts] says, "I sent an
2:44:56email after last stream with evidence
2:44:59that I'm not a Muslim man. Blessed Lent
2:45:02to you all." Okay. Okay. For sure. Will
2:45:06Islam be the final antichrist? Uh, I
2:45:09don't think so, but you know, we'll see.
2:45:13We'll see.
2:45:15I'm going to watch this back tomorrow at
2:45:18work. Is that giant DLC? My This is my
2:45:21first time seeing them. DLC is the goat.
2:45:25They the the rest of y'all lied or
2:45:27whatever. [laughter]
2:45:30First of all, let me tell you how you
2:45:32expose yourself. You said that this is
2:45:36your first time seeing Sister DLC and
2:45:39seeing Jai and yet you're calling DLC
2:45:42the GO. This means you don't watch their
2:45:44channel.
2:45:46>> You didn't you didn't see their reveal
2:45:48and you haven't seen their their lives
2:45:50afterward because they've been live
2:45:51streaming. How many y'all did like
2:45:53probably what y'all probably maybe
2:45:55almost 10 streams in now face with faces
2:45:58on, right?
2:45:58>> Yeah. Yeah.
2:46:00>> You don't follow.
2:46:01>> You don't follow.
2:46:03That's insane. How you saying she the
2:46:04goat? Which I agree.
2:46:06>> Thank you.
2:46:07>> You gotta watch. [laughter]
2:46:08>> Goodness.
2:46:09>> Check it out. Check it out, man. Check
2:46:10it out,
2:46:11>> man. Hey, but by the way, for those of
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2:47:00Suavey. [snorts]
2:47:02All right, let's see. Book
2:47:03recommendations on learning about Islam.
2:47:06Any suggestions, giant DLC?
2:47:10>> Uh, people ask that a lot. I I I I give
2:47:13like video recommendations now like
2:47:15YouTube channels and stuff you know
2:47:16because I don't really know if there's
2:47:18like you know I mean there probably are
2:47:21but we don't we we really you know learn
2:47:23most of our stuff from
2:47:24>> other other people who are like doing
2:47:26the studies on Islam and then we try to
2:47:28look at the sources ourselves and try to
2:47:30come to like you know how we can
2:47:32incorporate that in our you know our
2:47:34witness to Muslims. So when it comes to
2:47:37books on learning about how to do
2:47:39Islamic apologetics, there are some out
2:47:41there of course, but uh I don't know
2:47:44that's not how I do my studying of
2:47:46Islam.
2:47:47>> Yeah,
2:47:48>> I I actually think now now we have a new
2:47:51generation of apologetics that is most
2:47:55effective online. Um like I have never
2:47:58seen this kind of success with Muslims
2:47:59before and it didn't come from books.
2:48:01books were written for a long time as to
2:48:03how to uh defend Christianity and attack
2:48:06Islam. So I would say pick a topic and
2:48:11have a look at any of the sort of
2:48:12successful trustworthy uh people online
2:48:16um people on screen of course I say they
2:48:19are that that know their sources like
2:48:22and then learn those sources. You only
2:48:24need a few like we did a racism on
2:48:26racism in Islam live stream. All you
2:48:29have to do is just screenshot the
2:48:30sources that talk about race in Islam
2:48:32>> and then use them with your friend or
2:48:34the same with women and stuff. I would
2:48:35say that's more effective or and quicker
2:48:37to learn than reading lots of books now.
2:48:40>> Yeah. Amen.
2:48:42>> Yeah, I would say the same. Um, I I
2:48:44learned most of my apimics and
2:48:47apologetics online. Uh, watching
2:48:50Christian Prince and Sam Shimone and
2:48:53David Wood, taking notes and, um, you
2:48:57know, just learning the stuff that they
2:48:58say, the way they use arguments, how
2:49:00they answered. So, over the years,
2:49:02that's how I I learned. It wasn't really
2:49:04from any it wasn't from any books, if
2:49:07I'm going to be honest with you.
2:49:08>> Yeah. Yeah. You hear this, everyone? The
2:49:10guy saying all we do is read says he
2:49:12never reads [laughter] books. Heard it
2:49:14here. Heard it here. Everyone here.
2:49:17Yeah. So, here's what's interesting like
2:49:18what you guys are saying that's how
2:49:20that's how uh probably most people learn
2:49:22now. But there are still like the
2:49:24traditional book learners. They go to
2:49:26their books. For those people, I don't
2:49:27know what you guys said before I sit
2:49:29down, but uh answering Islam, I I would
2:49:31start with Nil's book, Seeking Allah,
2:49:33Finding Jesus, because you know that's
2:49:34in the context of a Muslim's life. So,
2:49:36you're getting, you know, the the main
2:49:38issues in their thinking and so on. So,
2:49:40seeking Allah, finding Jesus, um,
2:49:42answering Islam by Norm Gistler and
2:49:44Abdul Sib. That was the first book I
2:49:45ever read on Islam. Uh, still an awesome
2:49:49book. Um, then maybe um um [sighs]
2:49:55um dang, I'm trying to I forget what the
2:49:58book's called, but Robert Spencer has a
2:49:59book on Muhammad
2:50:03on
2:50:04something. I think it's the truth about
2:50:05Muhammad. The truth about Muhammad.
2:50:07>> Um, but yeah, that's good. It's just
2:50:09it's just basically a good biography of
2:50:11Muhammad. Also by Robert Spencer for
2:50:14Jihad, the history of jihad. And on top
2:50:18of all that, uh Chris's book on the
2:50:20Islamic dilemma. When that comes out,
2:50:22you you you get So that that's five
2:50:23books. Get those down. Pretty pretty
2:50:26solid foundation for those of you who
2:50:28still read books and you know who you
2:50:30are,
2:50:31>> man. Nice. All right,
2:50:35Jai. You
2:50:38You head is Your head is so perfectly
2:50:40round. I love it. [laughter]
2:50:46>> Oh, wow. They're not lying. Your head is
2:50:49perfectly round. [laughter]
2:50:53Nice. Nice. Let's see here. I'm tempted
2:50:57by Christianity
2:50:59because of all of you, especially GL,
2:51:03but I'm certain that I'll never go full
2:51:05Muslim also because of all of you.
2:51:08Thanks.
2:51:08>> Oh, okay. Okay.
2:51:10>> So, it looks like you're inching towards
2:51:12towards the Christianity. And what I
2:51:14would say to encourage you is to grab
2:51:17hold of Jesus, man. Grab hold of Jesus.
2:51:19It'll be the best thing you can ever do.
2:51:21the clarity. Amen.
2:51:22>> The the the clarity that the Lord gives
2:51:24you, the peace that the Lord gives you,
2:51:26uh the certainty that the Lord gives
2:51:28you. It is just it's it's just amazing
2:51:30to walk in. And so, uh but thank you so
2:51:33much for the support and keep keep
2:51:35watching. Hope you hope hope we hear a
2:51:36testimony from you, uh one day, Pete.
2:51:39>> What What are you laughing at, D?
2:51:41>> We noticed that you're still laughing at
2:51:43the round head comment. [laughter]
2:51:44>> No, no, no, that was not me. I was not
2:51:45laughing about that.
2:51:46>> That was you.
2:51:47>> No,
2:51:48>> that was you.
2:51:49>> Yeah. Yeah. That Yeah, that was funny.
2:51:51That was funny. True. I'm not going to
2:51:52deny that. But that's not why I was just
2:51:54laughing. I was just laughing because
2:51:55his name was Pete Schwedy. And uh you
2:51:58guys you guys are too I was thinking you
2:51:59guys are all too young to know what
2:52:01that's about. It was an old Saturday
2:52:02Night Live skit where a guy comes on a
2:52:05little talk show and his name is Pete
2:52:07Schwedy and uh he's he's selling his uh
2:52:11new [laughter]
2:52:14his new desserts which are balls and he
2:52:16calls them sweaty balls. [laughter]
2:52:19Anyway, I just hadn't seen I hadn't seen
2:52:20that for years and I was like, where?
2:52:22Wait, is that from the sketch? But yeah,
2:52:24anyway.
2:52:25>> All right, so uh Oh, we got that up.
2:52:28>> He's sweating. [laughter]
2:52:30>> Finally, GL son finally has his chair.
2:52:35[gasps] Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Long time
2:52:39watcher. Love what you do. Amen. God
2:52:41bless you. God bless you. I made it on
2:52:43time to a god logic stream and all I got
2:52:45was a lousy t-shirt. [laughter]
2:52:48>> T-shirt.
2:52:50>> It's funny. Matt says, "When atheists
2:52:53attack scientific inaccuracies
2:52:56in the Bible, how do you explain uh the
2:52:59firminant etc. If you don't take
2:53:02literal, why do why do you not let
2:53:07Muslims do that? I.e. the sun in muddy
2:53:10water.
2:53:13Anybody would want to touch on that?
2:53:16>> Uh yeah, we're going to be doing a kind
2:53:19of a indepth a deep dive on surah 18. So
2:53:23want to encourage people to look out for
2:53:24that. But you're going to see that it's
2:53:27this is also a claim that Muslims uh you
2:53:30know will make that like it's like
2:53:31Christians are we're the ones that are
2:53:32like reading into it. We're not being
2:53:34gracious with the sources or something
2:53:35like that. We're going to show that it's
2:53:37actually the Muslim sources and Muhammad
2:53:38himself was the one who believed that
2:53:40that's where the sun set. So, we're not
2:53:42saying that there's not a time when the
2:53:44Quran can't use like metaphors and
2:53:46simileies and things like that. It can.
2:53:49However, is that the best way to
2:53:51understand uh you know the sun setting
2:53:54in the in the murky waters? Is that is
2:53:56that the best way to understand that?
2:53:58>> And if it is a metaphor, what does it
2:53:59teach us? Nothing.
2:54:01>> Yeah. Yeah. On top of that, um, you, uh,
2:54:05Christians aren't the one making the
2:54:07claim, or at least we aren't making the
2:54:09argument that the Bible is true because
2:54:12it has scientific miracles.
2:54:14>> So, a lot of the times where you see us
2:54:16critiquing so-called scientific
2:54:18inaccuracies within the Quran, it's
2:54:20because of the Muslim we're speaking to
2:54:22saying that the Quran is true because it
2:54:24gets scientific uh, accuracies. And so,
2:54:27somehow this is miraculous. So we're
2:54:29showing how okay if by that standard
2:54:32that works for Islam then it it can also
2:54:34work against Islam.
2:54:36>> Yeah.
2:54:36>> Which is a terrible argument even by
2:54:37even Ali Dawa says that's been debunked.
2:54:40>> Yeah. It's been debunked. It's in the
2:54:43>> Hugh Ross. Hugh Ross if you want to see
2:54:45a Christian um science perspective on
2:54:47how to understand firmament and Genesis.
2:54:50>> Yeah. Um, and so yeah, the parallel
2:54:52there is, um, it's like when Muslims
2:54:54argued for the perfect dot for dot,
2:54:58letter for preservation of the Quran.
2:55:01And we would respond by going, well,
2:55:02what about these textual variants? And
2:55:04so on. And then we get people
2:55:05responding, but what about textual
2:55:06variants in the Bible? We weren't the
2:55:08ones making the argument. we weren't the
2:55:09ones arguing that uh in other words if a
2:55:11Muslim comes along and says uh hey you
2:55:13know uh the point of the Quran is not to
2:55:16is not is not to give scientific
2:55:18miracles and so on is not to be
2:55:19[clears throat] completely scientific
2:55:20accurate and there can be metaphors and
2:55:21stuff we wouldn't have this we wouldn't
2:55:22have the same issue with them it's they
2:55:24used as one of their top two or three
2:55:26arguments for decades
2:55:29um scientific miracles in the Quran okay
2:55:31if that's your standard this is how we
2:55:33know this is the word of God all right
2:55:36then we're going to look at what what
2:55:38these science scientific claims are.
2:55:40>> Mhm. Exactly. All right. Uh we got He
2:55:43had demons inside him. Hash alz.
2:55:48>> Yeah, that's the thing. That is the Oh,
2:55:49by the way, it's a little side note. Um
2:55:52the So, the story of Alz,
2:55:55you've got uh you know, it sounds like a
2:55:57bunch of guys show up and uh have a good
2:55:59time with Muhammad. Muhammad has a good
2:56:00time and he gets a strength of 30 men.
2:56:02Works out works out for everybody and
2:56:03everyone, you know, every works out
2:56:05win-win, right? Um but the main Muslim
2:56:07response is no no these were jin. But
2:56:11Raymond Ibrahim pointed out that one of
2:56:13the meanings of Yarkaboon if um if it's
2:56:16not uh if it's not sexual and it's not
2:56:18riding like an animal is possession. And
2:56:22so if this is about if this uh topic for
2:56:26this live stream is about is Muhammad
2:56:28possessed then if they say those men of
2:56:31Alz were jin well guess what it would
2:56:35mean that they possessed him all night
2:56:38and so
2:56:40stuck with it now.
2:56:41>> Yeah that's tough.
2:56:42>> That's true. And that's how even Arabs
2:56:44speak today. If they say
2:56:47it means the jin has possessed them.
2:56:50Mashallah.
2:56:52We got a super chat here. Muslims, why
2:56:54did Christians remove
2:56:57Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost from
2:57:00the Bible? You see the proof? [laughter]
2:57:04>> It's hilarious. Jacolia in the house,
2:57:07also known as Logic's number one hater,
2:57:09says, "Muslims don't want to come up
2:57:10because they know they'll get cooked.
2:57:13They only come up with Avery because
2:57:16they because they destroy him."
2:57:18>> Oh. [laughter]
2:57:21Now they're scared, you see.
2:57:24[gasps] Yes. She has earned her name,
2:57:27rightfully so, as Logic's number one
2:57:29hater. Amazing. Uh, a few more and then
2:57:32we'll bring up our guest. Uh, Patriotic
2:57:34Z says, "After speaking Muslim and had
2:57:37Jesus speak to him, Jesus said he was
2:57:39God. I guess after a week he said it was
2:57:43a jin."
2:57:44>> Yep. Did you hear all that? Did you
2:57:45follow all that? I've I've seen the I
2:57:48didn't hear his aftermath. He's saying
2:57:49now that was a Jin.
2:57:51>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, it
2:57:53was we we went through we went through
2:57:54the entire back and forth. Um Yeah. So,
2:57:58uh Malik was complaining that speaking
2:58:01Muslim was going to Christians saying he
2:58:04uh heard a voice saying, "I am Jesus. I
2:58:08am God." And um so, hey, what's what's
2:58:12this guy doing? And then speaking
2:58:14Muslim's response was, "No, I was just
2:58:17saying that to gather intel from them. I
2:58:19was just trying to gather intel from
2:58:21these guys." And so speaking Muslim
2:58:24eventually respond I mean uh Malik
2:58:26eventually responded and said no at
2:58:29first for about a week. So this actually
2:58:32happened and he acknowledged that it
2:58:34happened. He heard a voice. So speaking
2:58:35Muslim has declared that he heard a
2:58:37voice saying he's not denying the dream.
2:58:39>> Yeah. I am Jesus and I am God. Um, and
2:58:42so, and then Malik points out that no,
2:58:44for at least the first week you were
2:58:46convinced that you'd heard a voice and
2:58:48this was shaking you, but then later on
2:58:50you were convinced that uh you you
2:58:52explained it away by saying, "I believe
2:58:54that was a jin."
2:58:56>> So, this is some this is some crazy
2:58:58stuff going on here, man.
2:58:59>> Wow.
2:59:00>> This guy hears an audible voice.
2:59:02>> Yeah.
2:59:02>> Saying Jesus of Jesus saying that he's
2:59:04God, and he just nope, it's a gin.
2:59:07So this goes to show you guys that even
2:59:11God can come to you.
2:59:13>> Yes,
2:59:14>> he can invade your sleep, invade your
2:59:17dreams and show himself to you and that
2:59:20still does not guarantee that you will
2:59:22submit.
2:59:23>> That does not guarantee that these
2:59:25people will submit because their hearts
2:59:26are hardened, their hearts are darkened
2:59:29and they will blaspheme and relegate
2:59:32God's visitation which is a rare
2:59:35occurrence. Not everybody gets this type
2:59:37of pleasure where God comes to you in
2:59:39your dream and he calls you a de a jin.
2:59:42That is deep. That's God can crack the
2:59:45sky say I am God. I am real. That does
2:59:48not guarantee that everyone will submit.
2:59:50People will still deny him.
2:59:52>> I mean think of think of the parallel
2:59:55>> time of Jesus time of Jesus. Jesus goes
2:59:57around performing miracles. What do they
2:59:58say? It's by the power of bilab that
3:00:01he's performing these miracles. You can
3:00:03always explain something away if you
3:00:05really want to.
3:00:07>> Yeah. Uh I think I think it was in
3:00:10David's stream with Thaddius, someone
3:00:12pointed out in the in the in the chat
3:00:14that Muslims are always asking where did
3:00:16Jesus say, I am God. And this guy
3:00:18actually has Jesus coming to him and say
3:00:19I am God. Right? [laughter]
3:00:21>> So it's like come on man.
3:00:23>> There's just one issue with with that.
3:00:25There's stuff in Islamic theology that
3:00:27says that the devil doesn't take the the
3:00:29shape of a
3:00:30>> of prophets. So if you see a prophet in
3:00:34a dream, it really is him.
3:00:36>> Corn.
3:00:36>> So they won't believe that, but they'll
3:00:38believe a mole, hairy mole from 1400.
3:00:41>> Not only will they believe that mole
3:00:43DLC, they'll even kiss it.
3:00:44>> They'll even kiss it.
3:00:45>> They'll even kiss it, man.
3:00:47>> Yeah,
3:00:48>> that's crazy.
3:00:49>> Wow. That's a good point, though.
3:00:50There's a So there's a there's a source
3:00:52that says that the
3:00:54>> Muhammad himself, he said, "If you see
3:00:55me in a dream, Satan doesn't take my
3:00:57form or any form of a prophet. It's
3:00:59really me."
3:01:00>> Wow. Oh
3:01:01>> yeah.
3:01:01>> So if you see Jesus in a dream, Muslims,
3:01:04it's really him. Even according to your
3:01:06thing.
3:01:07>> Wow.
3:01:08>> You need to believe it or you can't say
3:01:10God didn't try try to reach out to you.
3:01:13>> Yeah. It's just going to add more
3:01:14judgment on him if he if he doesn't
3:01:16repent because
3:01:17>> Yeah.
3:01:17>> Like you said, how how many people get
3:01:19that experience, right? You know, so
3:01:22yeah. So pray for a speaking Muslim and
3:01:24he's he's uh in a tough place right now.
3:01:26>> Yeah.
3:01:28Uh, Balentine says, "I'm the only
3:01:30Christian in my family. Everyone else is
3:01:32Muslim. How do I evangelize them or
3:01:35disprove Islam to them without pushing
3:01:37them further away from Christ and making
3:01:40them angry?" Good question. I'll let the
3:01:44uh let some of the masters speak on
3:01:45that. Go ahead, David.
3:01:46>> Oh, I have a video that you can look up.
3:01:48Uh I'll I'll just give a summary real
3:01:50quick. Uh but yeah, the video is called
3:01:51something like uh how to share
3:01:55unpleasant facts with pleasant Muslims
3:01:57or something like that. Meaning in a
3:01:58situation where you're not, you know,
3:02:00you're not trying to upset uh someone
3:02:01and so on. Um but yeah, uh I uh I would
3:02:06ask lots of questions to get people's
3:02:08perspectives and you're in a fortunate
3:02:10position because you know um you know
3:02:13your family, you know your family uh
3:02:15very well. And so I I'd ask questions
3:02:18about why they believe in Islam and then
3:02:23start just asking them more questions.
3:02:25The the point here is questions are less
3:02:28confrontational if you're try if you're
3:02:31specifically trying not to you know
3:02:32cause a division or or you know have
3:02:34your family turn their backs on you and
3:02:36so on. A question is less
3:02:38confrontational than just an attack or
3:02:40an accusation or something like that. So
3:02:41you can compare, hey, Muhammad's
3:02:44Muhammad's a pedophile. How dare you
3:02:45follow a pedophile with um hey you
3:02:48believe that Muhammad is this wonderful
3:02:51pattern of conduct. How do you reconcile
3:02:53that with um what's in these hadiths
3:02:56about Muhammad's uh wife Aisha and show
3:02:58them a couple there? You're just asking
3:03:00for their perspective. Mo lots of most
3:03:03people I think are more inclined to give
3:03:06try to give an honest uh response when
3:03:09you're asking them for their perspective
3:03:11on something. But I would just keep uh I
3:03:14would just keep dealing with that. I'd
3:03:15learn the Islamic dilemma. Start asking
3:03:17them about that because if you if you're
3:03:18ever if you're talking about
3:03:19Christianity, they have to say your
3:03:20book's been corrupted. And then so if
3:03:22they're saying that, then it's oh, okay.
3:03:24Um notice you can you can present the
3:03:26Islamic dilemma material without uh just
3:03:29flat out attacking and saying, "Haha,
3:03:31your book your book self-destructs." You
3:03:33say, "Okay, how do you interpret this
3:03:35verse about Christians judging by the
3:03:38gospel? How do you interpret this verse
3:03:40about if Muhammad's having doubts, he's
3:03:43supposed to go to the people of the
3:03:44book? How do you interpret this verse?
3:03:45How do you interpret that verse? And so
3:03:47notice it's not it's not like a
3:03:48situation where you're just trying to
3:03:51destroy Islam at that time. You're
3:03:54you're you're accumulating the
3:03:57information in their heads that will
3:03:59eventually allow them to make a much
3:04:01better informed uh decision. And so that
3:04:04as far as I can tell is the is a pretty
3:04:06good way if you're trying to get
3:04:08information across to someone without,
3:04:10you know, having a a huge argument or
3:04:12them saying they don't want to talk to
3:04:14you anymore.
3:04:16>> Yeah.
3:04:17All right. All right. Um,
3:04:20okay. Just a couple more. Just trying to
3:04:21put a dent in this guys because there is
3:04:23a lot.
3:04:24>> Yeah. I see.
3:04:25>> Must be nice. [laughter]
3:04:29>> Shoot. [gasps]
3:04:32Stupid.
3:04:33>> [laughter]
3:04:34>> Muslims circulating an old video all
3:04:38week of a rabbi saying Rebecca is three
3:04:41and was mature.
3:04:44Uh they they really believe a
3:04:46three-year-old can carry tens of gallons
3:04:50of water, but to them three is also old.
3:04:55>> Yeah. That's that's just absolutely so
3:04:57that's so dumb.
3:04:58>> It's extreme. It's extremely dumb. So
3:05:01you had you had uh a rabbi at some point
3:05:03who said it and then it was apparently
3:05:05based on a misinterpretation. It's like
3:05:06he did this and then waited three years
3:05:08and then others thought it was uh three
3:05:10but you had a bunch of rabbis who are
3:05:11like these guys have no clue what
3:05:13they're talking about and so on.
3:05:14Everything in Islam is just picking and
3:05:16choosing whatever result you want.
3:05:18>> It's like would a Muslim say that uh we
3:05:21have to believe everything any rabbi any
3:05:24Jewish rabbi said? Um no. They would say
3:05:27no. They're normally going, "Ah, you you
3:05:30Christians, you should be destroying
3:05:31these Jews because look what they say
3:05:33about your religion and look what they
3:05:34say about Jesus." And then they'll flip
3:05:36right around, "Hey, we found a rabbi who
3:05:38says something that we really want to we
3:05:39really want to uh promote because we
3:05:42want to lie about Isaac and Rebecca,
3:05:44even though we claim to respect them,
3:05:46but we want to lie." And so what do they
3:05:47do? They always just they'll sift
3:05:49through everything and then find the one
3:05:51thing that they can twist into agreeing
3:05:53with them, reject everything else, and
3:05:55then present it as a straightforward
3:05:57fact. And it's like you guys are
3:05:59exposing your true colors here. Your
3:06:01true colors. It this is a demonic
3:06:03antichrist religion that is that is just
3:06:06to destroy everything that is good and
3:06:09true. And you guys say, "No, we respect
3:06:10Jesus." And you lie about him. We
3:06:12respect Mary. And you instantly lie
3:06:13about her. We respect the prophets. And
3:06:15you lie about them constantly.
3:06:17>> Yeah. Keep it up. Because there's
3:06:18there's another medieval rabbi who
3:06:20argues against the three-year-old's
3:06:23position and says, actually the
3:06:25tradition that says she was 14. and he
3:06:27gives arguments and he argues against
3:06:28the three. So Muslims, you know, not all
3:06:31Muslims are aware that there's like
3:06:33multiple positions, but for the ones who
3:06:35are, why do they always default to the
3:06:38three? Even though there's 14, there's
3:06:40other ages, they always go to the three.
3:06:42Why? Because just like David said,
3:06:43they're trying to make the prophets look
3:06:45as bad as possible because they want
3:06:47them to, you know, just they want to
3:06:49justify justify Muhammad. Hey,
3:06:50>> that's what they're trying to do. Oddly
3:06:52enough, oddly enough, Jake
3:06:55>> Bronatella, Jake, the Muslim
3:06:57metaphysician, actually made a good
3:07:00video telling Muslims to stop this
3:07:02nonsense. He's like, "This, no, she's
3:07:04not three. She's not three according to
3:07:05the Bible. That's nonsense. We're a
3:07:07bunch of DA guys make up this nonsense
3:07:09and we pass it around. Stop doing this
3:07:11stuff."
3:07:12>> That's awesome,
3:07:12>> you It's funny. It's funny you bring up
3:07:14Jake because Jake made a a poll on his
3:07:16channel saying, "Who did worse in the
3:07:18Islamic dilemma debate, David Wood or
3:07:20God Logic?"
3:07:22>> Why don't you add yourself there, Jake?
3:07:24[laughter]
3:07:24>> Right.
3:07:27>> Add a third option. Jake Batella, David
3:07:30Wood or God Logic. And the resound.
3:07:32Matter of fact, that's what I should do.
3:07:33I should I'mma create a poll. [laughter]
3:07:36Who did worse in the Islamic dilemma
3:07:38discussion? I'mma put Jake God, David
3:07:41Wood, Daniel, or Chris Speaker's Corner
3:07:44and then we [laughter] and then we'll
3:07:46see how what what who who they pick,
3:07:48man. My goodness. There's You cannot be
3:07:51that deliluted. You It's only Islam.
3:07:54It's only Islam.
3:07:55>> All right, a few more. Go.
3:07:57>> I think Daniel did better than Jake.
3:07:59>> I agree. Uh
3:08:01>> oh. I agree.
3:08:02>> Daniel was a D-grade and Jake was a
3:08:05Fgrade. [laughter]
3:08:08Take it.
3:08:09>> We're going to get We're going to get
3:08:10DOC's uh tier list
3:08:12of Muslim responses to the Islamic
3:08:14dilemma. [gasps]
3:08:16>> Dtier and F tier.
3:08:18>> That's tough. That's tough. Yeah. At
3:08:20least Daniel was on the subject.
3:08:21>> Yeah, but Yeah, but later on if Daniel
3:08:23complains, doc can make her revise list
3:08:25and say, "Actually, you're an F now.
3:08:28>> You're all out there. [laughter]
3:08:30>> I was being nice before, but you're all
3:08:32Fs now."
3:08:33>> How's it feel to have Daniel do better
3:08:34than you? Huh?
3:08:36>> He hates it. It's burning in them. It's
3:08:38burning. The apologetics, the apologists
3:08:41avengers have assembled. The Bible is
3:08:43well represented. And that's true. God
3:08:48bless you all. God bless you as well.
3:08:50Seems to me that there is no way without
3:08:52demonic influence that Muhammad would
3:08:55put the crucifixion in the Quran, but
3:08:57take Jesus off the cross.
3:09:02>> Satan doesn't care if you do or don't uh
3:09:05do good things. He cares if you follow
3:09:07the truth of Jesus Christ.
3:09:09>> You can do a million good things. And if
3:09:11you deny Jesus, Satan is satisfied with
3:09:14that. That's the truth.
3:09:15>> Fact.
3:09:16>> Christians disapproving the Quran with
3:09:18contradicting verses is the same as Jews
3:09:21disapproving the New Testament with
3:09:23contradicting verses. No, it is not.
3:09:24What is wrong with you guys? No, it is
3:09:27not. How How is the What?
3:09:31When they make these parallels, it's
3:09:32like I'm trying to see like where are
3:09:34they coming from? Because I want you to
3:09:36make an actual argument like right like
3:09:38show us like where the contradictions
3:09:40are and parallel that to what we do and
3:09:43what you know the
3:09:46counter missionary Jewish community does
3:09:48>> like does the does the New Testament say
3:09:50Jesus did miracles and then another
3:09:52place say he didn't do miracles because
3:09:53that's the level we're talking.
3:09:56Mhm.
3:09:57All right. Let's see.
3:10:00Uh, one of the most detrimental is Sahi
3:10:04Muslim 2814A.
3:10:08Um,
3:10:10okay. Did I guess Can somebody pull that
3:10:12up? I guess who wants to look at that?
3:10:13Anybody familiar with that? Saki Muslim
3:10:152814A
3:10:18that we read earlier.
3:10:19>> It was one. Yeah. About Muhammad having
3:10:21a Satan attached to him.
3:10:22>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
3:10:26Cool, cool, cool. I'm so grateful for
3:10:28the collective ministry of you guys.
3:10:30Please come to Kansas City for some
3:10:32reason. I love to meet y'all. Maybe we
3:10:35might find ourselves way over there for
3:10:36no reason. Who knows?
3:10:38>> I pay respect to you guys for starting
3:10:41this subject. I admire your courage.
3:10:44When I was studying the Quran, I came to
3:10:46the same conclusion. God bless you.
3:10:48Amen. That's all you got to do is read
3:10:49the Quran.
3:10:51I'm studying to go into apologetics into
3:10:54the apologetics field a field called
3:10:57praise God I'm looking into claims made
3:11:00against Christianity and it's crazy how
3:11:02much Muslims lie [laughter]
3:11:05>> by the way of that
3:11:06>> look forward to that at all man welcome
3:11:09to this side of the world and it's crazy
3:11:11>> oh I just want to say all you know we
3:11:14can say all we do is read read and in
3:11:17dawa it's all we do is lie lie lie lie
3:11:19lie
3:11:20literally
3:11:22continues to say, "And it's crazy how
3:11:24much mus Muslims lie." By the way, God
3:11:26bless you guys. Keep inspiring and
3:11:28exposing false doctrines. Amen. All
3:11:33right, let's bring up uh let's bring up
3:11:34a guest, man. We got somebody who's been
3:11:36waiting really to really get at get at
3:11:38me for some reason. Uh
3:11:40>> oh.
3:11:41Yeah. Formidable Faith, man. It's not
3:11:44Malik this time. [laughter]
3:11:46It's not the Malik this time. Formidable
3:11:48faith, you are on the stage, man. You've
3:11:50been waiting a long time. Welcome.
3:11:52Welcome back. I presume this
3:11:54[clears throat] will be as short as the
3:11:55others.
3:11:56>> All right,
3:11:58cool.
3:11:59>> So, what's up, man? What do you think
3:12:00about the topic?
3:12:01>> All right, so you're all knowledgeable.
3:12:03You're a shake. So, what does a Muslim
3:12:04say when he opens the Qur before he
3:12:06opens the Quran? What does he say in
3:12:07English, please?
3:12:08>> We we already refuted this, but
3:12:10>> yeah, Satan can lie to you.
3:12:12>> He can say, "I'm not Satan. So, what?"
3:12:14>> Sorry. Can you please answer the
3:12:16question? Yeah, we already responded.
3:12:18>> We already responded to it. You're
3:12:19trying to say that.
3:12:19>> What is this phrase is what I said.
3:12:22>> You say it. I'm not going to say that
3:12:24devil word the devil words. You repeat
3:12:26it
3:12:27>> in English.
3:12:28>> I'm not going to say your devil words
3:12:30because it comes from the devil. Even if
3:12:31he refutes himself, it's still the
3:12:32devil.
3:12:34>> Okay. I seek refuge. I seek refuge in
3:12:37Allah from Satan, the accursed or
3:12:38expelled. Now,
3:12:40>> okay. So, Satan can lie to you. Satan
3:12:43can lie and pretend he's not. Can I Can
3:12:45I just speak unto interrupted
3:12:46>> and lie and pretend he's not Satan and
3:12:48say I'm not Satan? Secret refuge from
3:12:51Satan inside is Satan. Can you not lie?
3:12:53[clears throat]
3:12:54>> Your point is stupid. I'm sorry.
3:12:56>> Yeah.
3:12:57>> Especially Especially when you read the
3:12:58sources and it turns out that Satan's
3:13:00like the hero who saves humanity,
3:13:02>> right? Okay. So, notice you haven't let
3:13:05me say anything, but I already know what
3:13:07he's thinking.
3:13:08>> You asked the question. We We answered
3:13:09your question.
3:13:10>> When you asked the question so long
3:13:12before I came, man, you're finished. I
3:13:14know what they'll say before they'll say
3:13:15it.
3:13:16>> Asked and answered.
3:13:17>> Okay. So, let me say something. The
3:13:20Quran calls for Satan as a clear enemy.
3:13:22Commands believers to seek refuge from
3:13:24him. Declares his plot weak. Denise
3:13:27judging me.
3:13:27>> Are you reading from a script?
3:13:29>> I'm my list.
3:13:31We're humans, not robot.
3:13:34>> Okay. Human like I'm speaking to you.
3:13:36I'm not reading from something.
3:13:37>> I have I have the ability to speak
3:13:40without you interrupting.
3:13:41>> I don't have the ability to read unlike
3:13:42your prophet. Don't read something to
3:13:44me. Speak to me like a human.
3:13:46>> Okay.
3:13:48How does how does the Quran warn you
3:13:51against the against Satan? You pray
3:13:54against Satan. Everything is everything
3:13:57is warning you. Tells you that those who
3:14:00don't follow Satan has he has no
3:14:02authority over. Satan speaks about how
3:14:04he has nothing to offer you in the end.
3:14:07And your own book says that you Satan
3:14:09can't stand against himself. You just
3:14:10proved Muhammad is a false prophet
3:14:12because he had authority over Muhammad.
3:14:14[clears throat]
3:14:16>> If Satan only had authority over those
3:14:18who follow him and Muhammad fell to his
3:14:20authority, then Muhammad is a false
3:14:22prophet and a Satanist because he
3:14:24followed Muham he followed Satan.
3:14:25>> No. Follow is when you end up in hell.
3:14:28Avery, focus.
3:14:28>> Yeah, Muhammad is in hell right now. You
3:14:30don't know that.
3:14:30>> No, no, no. That's your claim.
3:14:34>> You don't you don't even read the Quran.
3:14:36You don't even read the Quran.
3:14:37>> So, what is your response to what I just
3:14:39said? according to what you read, which
3:14:41is good. You read, you quoted the verse
3:14:43that says that Satan has no power or
3:14:45authority over those except of those who
3:14:47follow him.
3:14:49>> So with Muhammad reciting verses that
3:14:52Satan put into his mouth and didn't even
3:14:54know it, Satan had authority over
3:14:56Muhammad's recitation. Therefore,
3:14:58Muhammad is a follower of Satan and a
3:15:00false prophet.
3:15:01>> What about the last Ramadan of the
3:15:03prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam?
3:15:06>> Take care, man.
3:15:09Take good care of yourself.
3:15:14[sighs]
3:15:14Charles, you're up, man.
3:15:17>> Hello. Do you remember me? I spoke to
3:15:19you on Monday.
3:15:21>> I I don't. You have a different name
3:15:23this time.
3:15:24>> I uh No, I talked to you about uh you
3:15:27know when you said that uh Jesus is God
3:15:30and I asked you the question uh uh why
3:15:33would God off himself? Do you remember?
3:15:37No, I talked I talked to a lot of people
3:15:38about that, bro.
3:15:39>> It's okay. Uh, but yeah. Uh, do you say
3:15:43that uh Muhammad
3:15:46is demonic, right?
3:15:48>> Yeah.
3:15:49>> Uh, what what brings you to that? Like,
3:15:52uh, what makes you think that? What is
3:15:54your
3:15:56>> in chapter 22 verse 52? It says that
3:15:59through Muhammad's recitation.
3:16:02>> Is that in the Quran?
3:16:04>> Yes sir. Chapter 22 verse 52. Can you
3:16:07bring it up on the screen?
3:16:09>> Sure.
3:16:12>> Just give me a second.
3:16:29Got it.
3:16:31All right. [laughter]
3:16:33There it is.
3:16:35>> Okay.
3:16:38Never did we send a messenger
3:16:40>> or a prophet before you. But when he did
3:16:44recite the revelation, narrated or
3:16:47spoke, Shayan threw some falsehood in
3:16:50it. But Allah abolishes that which
3:16:53Shayan throws in. Then Allah establishes
3:16:57his revelations and Allah is all knower
3:17:00and all wise. And uh you you read that
3:17:04in the actual Quran too like uh book.
3:17:07>> Yes sir. It's in the it's in the book.
3:17:09>> Yeah. I read it.
3:17:11>> Yes bro.
3:17:13>> Okay. Okay. Okay. But uh like like the
3:17:16last guy said like uh the Quran goes
3:17:20against the demonic things. So why would
3:17:24the why would they talk about uh
3:17:26Muhammad being a prophet then?
3:17:29Doesn't it think Do you not think it's
3:17:31weird? Like
3:17:32>> wait, I'm sorry. Say that again.
3:17:33>> Like you like the Quran or and Islam
3:17:36obviously goes against demonic and
3:17:38Satanic things, right?
3:17:40>> So why are they So why are they saying
3:17:42that Muhammad is a prophet?
3:17:45>> Yeah, that would be fake. They're saying
3:17:46Muhammad is a prophet because that's a
3:17:48lie. That's the whole point. They're
3:17:50lying.
3:17:50>> So Oh, okay. So, but I find it hard that
3:17:53it's a lie when every Muslim believes
3:17:56it. Do you not think it's weird?
3:17:57>> Yeah. Yeah. A lot of every Muslim
3:17:59believes Muhammad is a is a prophet.
3:18:00They're believing a lie. Jesus says that
3:18:03false prophets will come after him and
3:18:04deceive many. So,
3:18:06>> well, every Hindu believes every Hindu
3:18:07believes Krishna. Does that make them
3:18:09does make it a god? Just because
3:18:11everyone believes something doesn't mean
3:18:12anything.
3:18:13>> No, no, no. But I I ask you like, do you
3:18:16guys not think it's weird that every
3:18:18Muslim like believe in Muhammad? And uh
3:18:21also like
3:18:22>> No, it's not weird.
3:18:24>> That's what makes him a Muslim.
3:18:25>> You would be a Muslim if you didn't
3:18:26believe in Muhammad.
3:18:26>> Yeah. Muslim is believe in Muhammad.
3:18:28Just like what makes Hindu is they
3:18:30believe in everything that moves.
3:18:31>> Isn't it weird that every Muslim
3:18:33believes in the Quran? Isn't that
3:18:34strange?
3:18:34>> Isn't it weird that every Buddhist
3:18:35believes in Buddha? Guys, weird that
3:18:37every human brea
3:18:38>> is weird that every Christian believes
3:18:40in
3:18:40>> That's a definition [laughter] of That's
3:18:41not what I That's not what I was talking
3:18:43about.
3:18:44>> So what So what are your thoughts,
3:18:45right? Just really quick, what So what
3:18:47are your thoughts then on on Muhammad
3:18:49reciting words of Satan according to the
3:18:51what the Quran is saying? Is doesn't
3:18:53that make him a false prophet?
3:18:55uh that he was reciting what
3:18:58>> he's reciting words from Satan. It says
3:19:01that when he recite, Satan threw into
3:19:03his recitation,
3:19:04>> but he didn't. So I don't I don't
3:19:08>> What do you mean he didn't? I just read
3:19:10it to you. It says, "Never did we send a
3:19:11messenger or a prophet before you, but
3:19:13when he did recite
3:19:16the revelation, Satan threw falsehood in
3:19:20it." I will believe it when I actually
3:19:22read it in the book. But uh
3:19:24>> you'll believe you'll believe the Quran
3:19:25when you actually read it.
3:19:27>> But [laughter] yeah. Yeah, I I see what
3:19:29you I see what you mean. But uh like
3:19:32example like the
3:19:33>> Do you not have a Quran with you?
3:19:34>> You not read I don't have it. No, I
3:19:37don't have it on me right now.
3:19:38>> You know, do you not read the Quran? It
3:19:40looks like you've never seen this
3:19:41before.
3:19:42>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I have I have read the
3:19:44Quran actually. Yeah, I have read the
3:19:45whole thing. Okay. Have
3:19:46>> you not come across that verse before?
3:19:48>> No.
3:19:49Okay.
3:19:50>> Never.
3:19:51>> You never That's why I was wondering.
3:19:53>> Okay.
3:19:54>> Oh. So, so how can you be a Muslim and
3:19:55believe in Muhammad when you haven't
3:19:56even read the book? You just believe in
3:19:58>> But I have read the book.
3:20:00>> You just said you haven't read this
3:20:01though.
3:20:01>> You said you've never come across it.
3:20:03>> Yeah. That's that's that's why I like uh
3:20:05want to talk to you because I find it
3:20:07weird that you brought it up because
3:20:08I've never read it even though I read
3:20:10the book.
3:20:11>> Okay. How about this? Would you would
3:20:12you agree
3:20:13>> or not?
3:20:14>> But you never read it. Would would you
3:20:16would you agree that um that this would
3:20:19make Muhammad a false prophet
3:20:22>> if it was true?
3:20:23>> Yeah.
3:20:24>> That he did it?
3:20:25>> Yeah.
3:20:25>> Yeah.
3:20:26>> Wow.
3:20:26>> Okay. But he did do it.
3:20:29>> Good.
3:20:29>> But uh I've never read it in the Quran,
3:20:31so I'm I don't believe it.
3:20:33>> Literally gave you the reference surah
3:20:3422:52.
3:20:36>> Yeah, I'll have to like read it again
3:20:39and uh then I'll probably join another
3:20:42time and talk about it. But uh for now,
3:20:44yeah, just uh I I don't believe it.
3:20:47>> Have you Are you a Sunni Muslim?
3:20:50>> Uh yeah.
3:20:51>> Do you know that Muhammad was also
3:20:52bewitched?
3:20:54>> Uh bewitched?
3:20:55>> Yeah.
3:20:56>> Uh know that.
3:21:00>> Yeah, Muhammad was bewitched. Uh so I'll
3:21:02show this to you as well. Says over
3:21:04here, oh, it's kind of small. [snorts]
3:21:08This is Sai Bukari 3175
3:21:11narrated Aisha once the prophet was
3:21:14bewitched
3:21:16so that he began to imagine that he had
3:21:18done a thing which in fact he had not
3:21:20done [snorts] right so
3:21:22>> that says in the Quran
3:21:24>> this is Sai Bukari this is in the Sunna
3:21:27>> ah okay okay
3:21:29>> so that's what 100% accurate
3:21:32>> yes
3:21:33>> okay okay but uh like it's weird that uh
3:21:36you think his uh he's like being satanic
3:21:40when he has miracles. Also, you see that
3:21:43he didn't have any miracles.
3:21:44>> That's what it says.
3:21:45>> How can how can a satanic person or a
3:21:47demonic person have miracles?
3:21:49>> But that that's what it says in the book
3:21:50though. You see it?
3:21:52>> Yeah. This
3:21:55problem with your religion. People made
3:21:57up the the story that he did miracles.
3:21:59>> But haven't people made up things in the
3:22:01Bible?
3:22:02>> No.
3:22:03>> No.
3:22:03>> Wait, wait, wait. According to the
3:22:04Quran, you see the reference right here.
3:22:06It says he's
3:22:07>> Yeah, I Yeah. Yeah. I see. I see. I see.
3:22:10>> But uh haven't people made up things in
3:22:12the Bible?
3:22:12>> Hold on. So, you accept Muhammad was
3:22:15bewitched now?
3:22:16>> I'm not sure. I have to get
3:22:18>> You said it's 100% authentic.
3:22:20>> I'm showing it to you.
3:22:21>> I didn't say that. I asked you.
3:22:23>> Oh, you're asking if Albkari is 100%
3:22:25authentic.
3:22:26>> You're asking a Christian if Bkari is
3:22:28100% authentic and you're a Sunni
3:22:29Muslim.
3:22:31>> I have never looked on that site.
3:22:33>> So, you haven't read the Quran and you
3:22:34haven't Okay. read the hadith.
3:22:36>> All right. All right.
3:22:37>> It's not It's not looking good for your
3:22:38fake prophet, man. Yeah. Bewitched means
3:22:40he's the devil is
3:22:43>> which means you can't be a prophet.
3:22:48>> Uh that it's really it's really
3:22:52funny that you say that. But uh
3:22:54>> why is it funny?
3:22:55>> Like haha funny.
3:22:57>> Is this a joke to you? Is
3:22:59>> this something for you to laugh at? Is
3:23:01is the Buccari a clown to you? You bring
3:23:04up these things about uh prophet and
3:23:07Islam and everything, but you all
3:23:09believe in a fake book.
3:23:11>> Wait, why? Why?
3:23:12>> Oh, book is fake. Book is fake. So, we
3:23:14have another reason to reject the Quran
3:23:16because it affirms our book.
3:23:17>> I didn't read the Quran. I I talked
3:23:19about the Bible.
3:23:19>> So, yeah, but the Quran the Quran
3:23:21affirms our book, which you just said is
3:23:23fake. And so, the Quran is
3:23:24>> Yeah, the original Bible.
3:23:26>> Hold on. Hold on, guys. Guys, hold on a
3:23:28second. Let's let's not get away from
3:23:30this. I really want to hammer this in.
3:23:32Mhm.
3:23:32>> So, are you are you okay with following
3:23:35a bewitched prophet
3:23:38>> that he I have to look it into myself. I
3:23:40just said it.
3:23:41>> Well, it's in front of you. Like, what
3:23:42more can you look? You can't click it
3:23:43anymore. It's in front of you. It's one
3:23:45line,
3:23:47right?
3:23:47>> Actually, I can't. Hold on, DLC. Hold
3:23:49on.
3:23:49>> No, he's he's going to click it.
3:23:51[laughter]
3:23:52>> Oh, you see that it's
3:23:54>> No, I I read it. I read it. But, uh,
3:23:57what else can you do?
3:23:59>> Yeah, you can't read into it anymore.
3:24:00Look, it's one line and it's full stop.
3:24:02No more.
3:24:03>> And you don't want And you don't want to
3:24:04corrupt your books, do you?
3:24:05>> You don't want to add to it.
3:24:07>> You can't bring up stuff on the
3:24:08internet. Just show it in my face.
3:24:11>> No. Wait. You're saying lying about
3:24:13Aisha?
3:24:15>> I I'm not sure. I should just said I
3:24:17have to look into it.
3:24:18>> Never mind.
3:24:18>> So, how Wait, so how will you know if
3:24:20this is authentic or not? What more
3:24:21would you find?
3:24:22>> Did you just say this is according to
3:24:24the Quran?
3:24:26>> Dude, it's Bkari. Do you know the
3:24:28difference between Bkari and Quran? It's
3:24:30okay. Take care.
3:24:31>> Different the things.
3:24:32>> Hold on. [laughter]
3:24:34>> Take care of yourself, man.
3:24:37>> Good grief. What What is happening here?
3:24:40>> Yeah. [laughter]
3:24:42Uh
3:24:44God,
3:24:44>> you quote, you quote Sarah 22:52. I
3:24:46don't know about that. I'm not sure
3:24:48that's uh it's right on the screen,
3:24:49dude. Uh yeah, but I never read it. Uh
3:24:51okay. Well, you need to read the Quran.
3:24:53No, I've read the Quran and that wasn't
3:24:54in it. Um, so I had the I had the no
3:24:57surah 22 Kuran edition uh where that
3:25:00whole chapter was abrigated. Sorry.
3:25:02Okay. Well, let's go to the hadith then.
3:25:04Here you're a Sunni Muslim, right? Yeah.
3:25:05All right. Here's Sah Bakari. Uh, well,
3:25:07I don't know about that. I'm gonna have
3:25:09to I'm gonna have to try and find It's
3:25:10right on the screen, man. It's right on
3:25:11the screen. Well, I don't know. I don't
3:25:13know what Okay, dude. It's kind of hard
3:25:15to [laughter] have a discussion with
3:25:16[gasps]
3:25:17>> Yeah. Go on and take care. Uh, Mahimman,
3:25:21how you doing?
3:25:24Oh, your your your audio is cracking up
3:25:26and stuff. Are you connected to a
3:25:28Bluetooth or headphones or something?
3:25:34>> Yeah. So, try maybe try to leave and
3:25:36come back. Uh, Muhammad, I would
3:25:37definitely love to to have the Muhammad
3:25:39on stage
3:25:41guarding the guarding the Quran,
3:25:44guarding Muhammad,
3:25:47being dominant over Muhammad,
3:25:50>> correcting the errors and I [laughter]
3:25:52corrected the
3:25:53>> supreme authority over Muhammad.
3:25:59>> RS, what's up, man?
3:26:02>> Good l. How are you doing, mate? You're
3:26:03right.
3:26:04>> I'm good. I'm good. Thank you for
3:26:05asking. How are you?
3:26:07>> Yeah, I'm all right, man. I'm all right.
3:26:08I've been trying to get in touch with
3:26:10Lord for the last four weeks.
3:26:13>> Okay.
3:26:14>> Okay. I I'll give you a bit of history
3:26:15of mine. Yeah.
3:26:16>> Are you Are you
3:26:17>> And please take it very serious.
3:26:20Are you taking it very serious?
3:26:23>> We have been doing a research on
3:26:24Christian Christianity for the last six
3:26:26years.
3:26:27>> Are you a Muslim?
3:26:29>> No, no, forget about it that I'm Muslim,
3:26:31please. Yeah, I I'm not I'm not actually
3:26:32I'm not Muslim. I I just do research. I
3:26:34did on Islam for four years. Then I knew
3:26:37what it is. Then I decided to do a
3:26:38research on uh Christianity. [snorts] We
3:26:41spent I basically myself personally
3:26:43Yeah. spent six year six more uh what
3:26:46six years more than six figure
3:26:49to find out what is the truth
3:26:52and I've got a lot of before before I
3:26:55release this the whatever our finding is
3:26:58>> I really wanted to discuss with the lord
3:27:00whether this is right or wrong because
3:27:03otherwise if I release this
3:27:06it's not going to be very nice so I do
3:27:08not want to do wrong things you know to
3:27:11find out so I I would love to just just
3:27:15ask few question but I would love
3:27:17another thing if I can have a proper
3:27:18discussion with uh David and logic on
3:27:22this matter what I'm going to speak to
3:27:23you a lot about
3:27:25>> brother this is a specific stream
3:27:27regarding Muslims
3:27:29>> you did that you told me that last time
3:27:30as well logic you lied to me you lied to
3:27:32me
3:27:34>> get off my stage
3:27:36wasting my time so if I lied to you go
3:27:40ahead and go somewhere
3:27:43dismay. You're on stage.
3:27:45>> All right. Beautiful. What's up, God?
3:27:46Logic. What's up, Wood?
3:27:49>> Yeah. So, what's going to be your uh
3:27:51contention against not contention,
3:27:53sorry, your proposition that the prophet
3:27:54was a bewitcher like demonpossessed?
3:27:57>> Well, the hadith says it. He was
3:27:59bewitched.
3:28:00>> Yeah, that's just why do I have I can
3:28:02just say for a fact that al- Mazar said
3:28:04that innovators rejected this hadith
3:28:06because it undermines the position of
3:28:07prophet and it cast doubt upon it. So
3:28:09like I have the scanners.
3:28:11>> Wow. They reject the hadith because it
3:28:13cast doubt on
3:28:13>> I didn't say hadith. Wait, when did I
3:28:15say I I'm talking about innovators. Stop
3:28:18strong maning my position.
3:28:19>> So was was Aisha an innovator?
3:28:22>> When did I say Aisha was an innovator? I
3:28:23don't think you're
3:28:24>> I'm asking.
3:28:25>> Okay. What what do you do with the
3:28:26hadith? What do you do with the hadith?
3:28:28How were you saying that people reject
3:28:29it?
3:28:30>> Yeah, I'm saying the innovators rejected
3:28:32this claiming that it undermines the
3:28:33position of prophet and cast doubt upon
3:28:35it. They asserted that anything leading
3:28:36to this conclusion is invalid.
3:28:38contending that accepting the
3:28:39>> Wait, the innovators rejected it.
3:28:41>> Yeah.
3:28:42>> Wait, innovators rejected it. Innovators
3:28:44are not the good guys, right?
3:28:46>> Yeah. Correct.
3:28:47>> Okay. So, you're saying some innovators?
3:28:48We're talking about the people who
3:28:49weren't innovators, who weren't guilty,
3:28:51who weren't going to hell as innovators.
3:28:53What about regular Muslims who read that
3:28:56Aisha said this? What about that?
3:28:58>> Yeah. No, no problem. So, says here
3:29:00said, "How the prophet sallallahu alaihi
3:29:02wasallam was guided to treat the spells
3:29:03which Jews cast on him." This has been
3:29:06denied by some people who said this
3:29:08could not have happened to him and they
3:29:09thought it was a shortcoming and a
3:29:10fault. But it's not what they think.
3:29:13>> Rather, it comes under the heading of
3:29:14sickness and pain that befell him.
3:29:17>> We don't care about people who denied
3:29:19the bewitchment. What do you do?
3:29:22>> He said he was bewitched by a magic
3:29:24spell.
3:29:25>> It was a magic spell. According to the
3:29:27Quran, magic is taught by demons.
3:29:29Demonic magic had power over Muhammad to
3:29:32give him delusional thoughts and false
3:29:34beliefs. So, Satan has power over
3:29:38Muhammad. And according to Muhammad
3:29:40himself, Satan has Satan does not have
3:29:42power over you unless you're you belong
3:29:45to Satan.
3:29:46>> Yeah. Okay. I'm giving you the
3:29:47hermeneutical criteria here, which is
3:29:49going to be contextualization analysis,
3:29:50and you're just like not regarding that.
3:29:52When I tell you about this the spell
3:29:53that happened, right, which the Jews
3:29:55cast on him, it just says this was
3:29:56denied by some people because Jews had
3:29:58power over Muhammad.
3:30:00>> Oh yeah. So I just told you this was
3:30:02denied by some people who said that this
3:30:03could not have happened to him, but they
3:30:04thought it was a true innovators. You
3:30:06said innovators rejected it.
3:30:08>> Yeah. Are Jews not innovators?
3:30:11>> Who who are you saying rejected it? Is
3:30:12the story true or not?
3:30:14>> Yeah, the story is not going to be true
3:30:15in the sense that you understand it,
3:30:16right? I'm giving you the hermeneutical
3:30:18approach for but you're just
3:30:19continuously strongman position. I'm not
3:30:21asking you to strong my position.
3:30:22>> All I'm doing is reading.
3:30:24>> Yeah. And I'm giving you the I'm giving
3:30:26you the hermeneutical approach and
3:30:28you're continuously rejecting something
3:30:29that you cannot invalidly reject. So I'm
3:30:31going to ask you again with
3:30:32>> No, no, no. To be clear, I was trying to
3:30:34figure out what you're saying when you
3:30:36say innovators reject this. Like who
3:30:38cares what innovators do? They're going
3:30:39to hell. So what do non-inoators, what
3:30:41do serious Muslims do?
3:30:43>> Yeah, I got you. So I just gave you the
3:30:45quotation by Alimah who said this about
3:30:48it as well, right? Right. What?
3:30:49>> We gave you a quote. We gave you a
3:30:50quotation from Aisha.
3:30:52>> Okay. And I can just use exogetical
3:30:54sources. This is an internal critique.
3:30:56This is no issue.
3:30:57>> So is Aisha wrong, man, or not?
3:30:59>> I never said Aisha was wrong here.
3:31:00>> I'm asking. Is she wrong?
3:31:02>> Yeah. I never said no. So I'm just
3:31:04giving you an exogetical.
3:31:05>> Is she wrong or not? Yeah. Give I didn't
3:31:07answer.
3:31:07>> Yeah. This is just a false dichotomy.
3:31:09Yeah. This is just a false dichotomy
3:31:10here. You're just
3:31:11>> So I'm gonna ask you one last time. Is
3:31:14Aisha wrong? Yes or no?
3:31:16>> Yeah. This is going to be invalid
3:31:18because I told you it's a false
3:31:18dichotomy.
3:31:19>> Thank you for coming.
3:31:22>> Aisha under the bus.
3:31:24>> Speaking of a politician.
3:31:26>> Oh. Oh, I just want to point out little
3:31:28side note. We have a bunch of these
3:31:29hadith. There's a bunch of the hadith
3:31:31about Muhammad uh having this spell cast
3:31:34on him.
3:31:35>> Yeah.
3:31:36>> And that's why chapter 113 and 14 were
3:31:39revealed according to the sources.
3:31:41Chapter chapter 100. Sorry. Yeah. Surah
3:31:44113 114 were revealed because Muhammad
3:31:47was bewitched according to the sources.
3:31:50>> Liar, you ignored my hermeneutical
3:31:52framework which points out that the
3:31:54innovators fabricated surah 113 and 114
3:31:58to uh to defend their fabrication of
3:32:00this hadith by Aisha.
3:32:02>> Maybe that's why Muslim didn't include
3:32:04it because he you know the innovators
3:32:06>> speaking fast like a politician doesn't
3:32:07help you. [laughter] Okay, you need
3:32:10scholars to deny Aisha and they don't.
3:32:12Yeah, she approve of her and Bkari is
3:32:15[clears throat] second only to the
3:32:16Quran.
3:32:18>> Hello.
3:32:20>> What's up? What's up? What What's your
3:32:22real name, man? Because you keep coming
3:32:23up here changing.
3:32:24>> Hold on. Ham. Ham. I just put because
3:32:25the first day of Ramadan and put Ramadan
3:32:272026.
3:32:29>> Oh,
3:32:29>> thank you for spending uh Ramadan with
3:32:31us.
3:32:31>> Yeah. [laughter]
3:32:32>> Hey, how how you know it's the first day
3:32:34of Ramadan? Because the Muslims are
3:32:35split as to when the first day is.
3:32:36>> Yeah. In Egypt they say,
3:32:39>> guys. Guys, he's a Quran only. Quran
3:32:42only. Really? No. [laughter]
3:32:44>> Quran? No. From from the lunar calendar.
3:32:46From the lunar calendar. We can prove it
3:32:47from the Quran.
3:32:48>> I know. But the Muslims have the same
3:32:50lunar calendar and they split on which
3:32:52day Ramadan is first
3:32:53>> cuz they cuz they do it from like what
3:32:55it says in Saudi Arabia specifically.
3:32:57They don't go by what it says for where
3:32:58they actually live. You know what I
3:32:59mean?
3:33:00>> They go by by setting the moon. So if
3:33:03the scholars in Saudi Arabia site the
3:33:05moon on one day, then that's when same
3:33:07in Egypt. They have right now. Well,
3:33:10they take authority from outside the
3:33:11Quran. I'm not sure exactly like how
3:33:13they do that.
3:33:13>> How do you know that Quran starts today?
3:33:15That how do you know?
3:33:16>> Yeah. How do the Quran only follow
3:33:18people who don't follow the Quran?
3:33:20>> Yeah, Moonighting. We go by by the ninth
3:33:21month of the lunar calendar.
3:33:24>> But there's no calendar in the Quran,
3:33:26though. So, how do you know?
3:33:27>> Yeah, the lunar calendar. We go by the
3:33:28lunar calendar.
3:33:28>> Yeah, but they're going by the lunar
3:33:30calendar, too. And they
3:33:31>> I don't know how to deviate. Well, I
3:33:32don't I don't know what day it
3:33:34>> How do we know you didn't deviate,
3:33:35though? That's what we want to know.
3:33:36>> Two uh 2189.
3:33:38So 2189 is your calendar.
3:33:40>> It tells you which day tomorrow a day
3:33:42after
3:33:44and and 2189 when it says hold on.
3:33:49>> Yeah, we know what it says.
3:33:50>> Yeah,
3:33:50>> it doesn't tell you what date in 2026 to
3:33:52fast
3:33:53>> and if you don't fast the first day
3:33:55properly, you know, if you break the
3:33:56fast on the first day, you're sinful. If
3:33:59you
3:33:59>> Well, God's not going to punish me for
3:34:01being one uh God's not going to punish
3:34:02me for bringing one day off.
3:34:03>> How you know? No, wait. How you know?
3:34:05How you know God's not going to punish
3:34:06me?
3:34:06>> Is the most merciful? We go by the
3:34:08resources that I'm given.
3:34:09>> But he's also he's also he's also the
3:34:11most vengeful. How you know which one
3:34:13you know today, merciful tomorrow? How
3:34:16do you know?
3:34:16>> Well, he's he's not going to punish me
3:34:18for being a trinitarian either cuz he's
3:34:19the most merciful.
3:34:20>> No, no, no, no. is unforgivable
3:34:22sin.
3:34:23>> We're just we're just playing with you
3:34:24just to show the silliness reality of
3:34:28Quran. Only Muslim is we also appeal to
3:34:31the authority of the messenger of the
3:34:32covenant, Dr. Rashad Khalifa. David,
3:34:34what have you ever heard about Rashad
3:34:36Khalifa?
3:34:36>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, he got killed, didn't
3:34:38he, for
3:34:38>> Yeah, he he got he he was blessed with
3:34:40with martyrdom just like previous
3:34:41messengers, right? In 287 it says
3:34:43messengers were killed when God kept
3:34:45sending them the the Jews, the the Benny
3:34:47is they were killing them.
3:34:49>> Yeah. So, he was expelled from Egypt. He
3:34:51came to America and got killed.
3:34:52>> Killed. Uh what religion was the person
3:34:55who killed him? Just for everyone to
3:34:56know,
3:34:56>> he was a Sunni. He was a Muslim. A
3:34:58Muslim terrorist.
3:35:00>> That's sad, man.
3:35:01>> By the Saudi Arabian government. Yeah.
3:35:03So, so, so Rashid Khalifa is a messenger
3:35:06after Muhammad.
3:35:07>> Messenger? Yeah. Muhammad's the final
3:35:09prophet, but not the final messenger.
3:35:10>> Gotcha. Gotcha.
3:35:12>> You're so gone, man. I'm sorry.
3:35:14>> How? How? Hold on. So,
3:35:15>> you got your face up there and
3:35:16everything, man.
3:35:17>> Are you afraid? [laughter]
3:35:19>> Pray for me, man. Pray for me. Pray for
3:35:20me.
3:35:20>> Yeah, we will pray for you. We will.
3:35:24>> Yeah. So, David, what? Yeah. Um, what do
3:35:26you know about Rashad Khalifa?
3:35:27>> We don't care about Rashad Khalifa. We
3:35:29care about the We care about how
3:35:30Muhammad's demonp possessed, man.
3:35:32>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what you know
3:35:33what's funny? Yeah. The I think you guys
3:35:35mentioned this. The Quran says that the
3:35:37disbelievers they say that the prophet
3:35:38was bewitched, right?
3:35:40>> And the people who wrote the hadith says
3:35:42that he was bewitched. Disbelievers,
3:35:43[laughter]
3:35:45>> you know, it was Aisha, right? You think
3:35:47Aisha is the unbeliever then? Because it
3:35:48narrated.
3:35:49>> Look, let me tell you something, right?
3:35:51I want the I want the Muslims to hear
3:35:52this, too.
3:35:53>> Talk to him.
3:35:54>> Yeah.
3:35:56[laughter]
3:35:57Hold on.
3:35:57>> Yeah. Let me give you a big screen. Hold
3:35:58on. Let me let me expand you, man. Talk
3:36:00to him.
3:36:01>> Oh, man. Visha actually said all that
3:36:04nonsense. She is going to hell. No
3:36:06doubt.
3:36:07>> Whoa.
3:36:08>> That's right. That's
3:36:09>> true. Guess what? The the Noah's wife
3:36:12and Lot's wife, they were both
3:36:13disbelievers. So just cuz you're the
3:36:15wife of the prophet does not mean
3:36:16anything.
3:36:17>> Boom.
3:36:18>> Your mother is not your mother.
3:36:20>> You heard it here everyone.
3:36:21>> Well, the thing is like my my literal
3:36:23mother, right? She like if she's a
3:36:24disbeliever, she's still my mother,
3:36:26right?
3:36:27>> Is she a spirit?
3:36:28>> Yeah. Yeah. But the but the Quran says
3:36:31>> Muhammad's wives are the mothers of the
3:36:34>> believers. But even like if if my mom if
3:36:37she's if she's a polytheist, let's say
3:36:38she's a Hindu or something, she's still
3:36:40my mother but but not a not a believer.
3:36:41You know what I mean?
3:36:42>> Asha's your mother or not.
3:36:43>> Yeah. But even if she's Yeah. So but
3:36:45even he's pointing out even if she's not
3:36:47a believer.
3:36:48>> Yeah. I don't think she said that stuff
3:36:49though. I don't I don't believe she said
3:36:50that stuff. But I'm just saying if
3:36:52>> Okay.
3:36:52>> So if she said it, she's still a mother,
3:36:54but she's just a very bad mother. She's
3:36:55going to hell.
3:36:56>> Mhm.
3:36:58You you believe that? You believe in him
3:36:59having a a wife named Aisha?
3:37:01>> Um, the Quran doesn't say, but like if
3:37:03if he had a wife named Aisha who walked
3:37:05and and and breathed, right, I got no
3:37:06problem with that.
3:37:07>> So yeah, you don't you don't know who
3:37:09his wives were. Doesn't matter.
3:37:11>> You just know he had wives.
3:37:13>> Yeah. Yeah. The Quran says he had wives,
3:37:14right?
3:37:15>> Okay. For sure. Yeah. That's very
3:37:17interesting, man.
3:37:18>> So So how you said that uh chapter 2
3:37:21verse 189 tells you which how to find
3:37:24the day of Ramadan to fast. So it it
3:37:26says they say yes I'll in English in
3:37:29English says they ask you prophet about
3:37:31the phases of the moon say they are
3:37:32means for people to determine time and
3:37:34uh and pilgrimage.
3:37:36>> Okay.
3:37:37>> How does that help you know when the
3:37:39>> So what we were saying was that all the
3:37:41Muslims are using the lunar calendar. In
3:37:42Egypt they use the lunar calendar. Saudi
3:37:44Arabia they use
3:37:45>> they both have they both have different
3:37:47days for when Ramadan starts. There's
3:37:48like a a war with their scholars.
3:37:50>> They're both following the same verse
3:37:51you're doing and they came out with
3:37:53different days.
3:37:54>> Uhhuh. So, how do we know that you have
3:37:56the right day?
3:37:56>> Well, thing is because I I appeal to the
3:37:58authority of the messenger of the
3:37:59covenant.
3:38:00>> But he didn't tell you what the first
3:38:01day of Ramadan is.
3:38:02>> He told us how to calculate. I mean, he
3:38:04told us how to calculate properly.
3:38:06>> But they are going by those calculations
3:38:08too. So, we want to know how do you
3:38:09know? How do you know the right one?
3:38:11>> I don't know exactly how they end up
3:38:13differently, but I think um they go by
3:38:15like the Saudi Arabian like the Saudi
3:38:17Arabian sightings and they just go off
3:38:18like say Saudi Arabia their sightings is
3:38:20this. So, everybody started love this
3:38:21day. But no, you got to go by your own
3:38:23sightings for your own.
3:38:24>> You know, you don't find it weird that
3:38:25your religion tells you to fast
3:38:27according to something in the sky.
3:38:29>> Something in the sky according to the
3:38:31moon sightings. That's
3:38:32>> a moon is just a because you know people
3:38:35[clears throat] who worship the sun and
3:38:36the moon, they go by what they do to
3:38:38tell them what to do down here.
3:38:40>> You don't think that's weird?
3:38:42>> No.
3:38:42>> You don't think that's weird?
3:38:43>> No. Go by the moon side.
3:38:45>> You don't You don't think that your life
3:38:46being run by the moon is a bit pagan?
3:38:48>> My life being my life is not run by the
3:38:49moon. It tells you when to fast with to
3:38:52fast.
3:38:52>> Well, who controls the moon? God, right?
3:38:54And obviously, we might differ on who
3:38:56that God who that God is, but we know
3:38:58it's the Lord of the universe.
3:38:59>> But God doesn't tell me to go by what
3:39:01the sun's doing to do some to worship
3:39:03him. I can pray to him past anytime.
3:39:04>> We go by the well lunar calendar just
3:39:06like um when God talks about the months,
3:39:08right?
3:39:09>> Go to the lunar calendar. It might not
3:39:11say September, October, November,
3:39:13December, but it's still
3:39:14>> So, you're okay with not knowing when
3:39:16Roland really starts?
3:39:17>> I know. Look, if I'm a if I'm a day off
3:39:20day off is nothing. I'm going to
3:39:21>> You're just saying you're a day off
3:39:22because like you're lying it up with
3:39:24what like Saudi Arabia
3:39:26>> calendar. How do you know that they're
3:39:27not like a month off? How do you know
3:39:28they're like a month off? You don't
3:39:30know. If they were so wrong,
3:39:35if they were so wrong about that, how do
3:39:36you know they're not like because you're
3:39:37saying, "Okay, it could be a day off or
3:39:39something." How do you know they're like
3:39:39a month or six months off? How do you
3:39:41know?
3:39:41>> Well, we go by the lunar calendar. And I
3:39:43go,
3:39:43>> I keep saying that, but they're all
3:39:44going by the lunar calendar. You do know
3:39:46you do know that it's obligatory
3:39:48fasting. It's not a day off like it's
3:39:50voluntary.
3:39:51>> Sinful if you don't fast this the right
3:39:53day and you have to make it up if you
3:39:55you know if you have to make it up
3:39:57>> on a random day.
3:39:58>> Yeah. It depends on what depends on
3:39:59which Quran you read. You got to you got
3:40:00to make it up.
3:40:01>> Yeah. So there's Yeah. There's there's
3:40:0330 different Qurans, right? They're not
3:40:05Oh, it's brother. It's just different
3:40:07recitations. No. No. That's that's all
3:40:09BS.
3:40:09>> Oh, okay. So what's the real Quran then?
3:40:11>> The Huffs. The Huffs is the closest one
3:40:12to what the Prophet Muhammad
3:40:14>> How do you know that? Code 19. Through
3:40:15code 19.
3:40:17>> How do how do you know that?
3:40:18>> Through code 19.
3:40:20>> Oh, code 19 only works from
3:40:21>> Oh, yeah. The code.
3:40:22>> Oh,
3:40:23>> yeah. So, code 19, it's a supernatural
3:40:25coding system in the Quran that proves
3:40:26that it's from God.
3:40:27>> So, who told you that? Your Quran only.
3:40:29Does the Quran say anything about the
3:40:30number 19?
3:40:31>> Uh, yeah. In chapter 74 30-31, it says
3:40:35over it is 19.
3:40:36>> You know, it's talking about hell. That
3:40:38verse is talking about hell.
3:40:39>> Keep reading. It says we have made their
3:40:40number. So, we have made their number
3:40:42which is 19 as five specific functions.
3:40:44One of them is um is showing to the
3:40:46people that the Quran is from God or
3:40:47showing that
3:40:48>> Hold on. But wait, wait, wait. So, so
3:40:50>> the verse is talking about how many
3:40:52>> Wait, so does that only work in Huffs?
3:40:55Does the 19 only work in Huffs?
3:40:57>> Uh yeah, Huffs is the closest. Do you
3:40:58see you still see like the patterns or
3:41:00like the You see
3:41:03there's still room there's still room
3:41:04for error. So, is there some error in
3:41:05Huffs?
3:41:06>> Huh? No. I mean, well, look there there.
3:41:08>> He had he had extra verses in Surah 9.
3:41:10>> Exactly.
3:41:11>> He No, he he didn't add anything. Are
3:41:13you talking about not not Khalifa? We're
3:41:16talking about Huffs. Huffs has the Huffs
3:41:18has the two verses that Khalifa took
3:41:20away.
3:41:20>> Yeah.
3:41:20>> Yeah. Let's uh let's talk about it. So
3:41:22yeah, chapter 928 um if you read it in
3:41:24the Arabic, the messenger is called,
3:41:26right? And this is what God is called in
3:41:28eight different verses.
3:41:30>> So this is this is a good argument.
3:41:32Yeah, this is a good argument for you
3:41:33guys to use against the Muslims.
3:41:35>> No, we we we we do that. But doesn't
3:41:36that but doesn't that make he calls
3:41:38himself a submitter that that so we we
3:41:41get you and that that theologically is
3:41:44messed up. However, the question is
3:41:46this. Hops has those two verses there.
3:41:49>> I know
3:41:50>> Rashik Khaliva takes them out.
3:41:51>> Yeah. Because they're part of the
3:41:53revelation,
3:41:54>> right? So Hops has so Hops is messed his
3:41:57uh his uh Quran is messed up, right?
3:41:59Mhm.
3:42:00>> But without without without those two
3:42:01verses you uh the structure is full and
3:42:03we prove that it's from God for me is a
3:42:05huge
3:42:06>> so then the Huff's version can't be true
3:42:08then because it because it has those two
3:42:09verses
3:42:11>> and we also use the oldest manuscripts
3:42:13as well. We have the Birmingham
3:42:14Birmingham
3:42:16help you that's like 54 verses that
3:42:18doesn't help you.
3:42:18>> It's not enough verses
3:42:20>> show any pattern.
3:42:21>> So you follow the point you're saying
3:42:23that Hops is the closest. I said what do
3:42:25you mean by closest? Is there still room
3:42:26for error? He said, "No, there was no
3:42:27error." But then it's pointed out that
3:42:28the last two chapter 9
3:42:30>> Well, minus those minus [laughter]
3:42:35the two verses.
3:42:37>> Hey, that's going to go in the red book.
3:42:38I don't know about [laughter]
3:42:39you from I'm not taking them out. I'm
3:42:42not taking them out.
3:42:45>> Red book
3:42:47128. The messenger is called. This is
3:42:49one of God's names in the Quran.
3:42:51>> Yes, it is.
3:42:52>> Yeah, that's the Quran's.
3:42:54>> Use it against the Muslims. Use it
3:42:55against the Muslims. Yeah, use it
3:42:56against
3:42:56>> using it against the submitters, too.
3:42:58>> Against the submitters,
3:42:59>> but we don't believe in those verses.
3:43:00They're never part of the revelation.
3:43:01>> So then you have a corrupted Quran.
3:43:03>> It's not corrupted. The Quran, it's
3:43:04preserved in the master tablet, but
3:43:06obviously the physical handheld Quran
3:43:07can easily be corrupted. Like if I add
3:43:09two pages to the Bible,
3:43:11>> you just you just said the Quran's
3:43:12corrupted.
3:43:13>> No, no, not the No, the Quran's
3:43:14preserved in the master tablet, but
3:43:17>> Uhhuh. The Quran we have here and this
3:43:20[laughter] the handheld the handheld
3:43:21Quran which just just the mus just ink
3:43:24and
3:43:25>> so the handheld Quran is it corrupted?
3:43:28>> The handheld it is it's just ink and
3:43:30paper but the but the Quran that
3:43:31corrupted
3:43:32>> I know it's ink I know it's ink and
3:43:33paper I can see it. Is it corrupted or
3:43:35not?
3:43:35>> Check this out. Check check this out.
3:43:37>> Are you going to show us the Quran? No,
3:43:38we've never seen the Quran before.
3:43:39>> I know what it is.
3:43:41>> You better You better not rip the Quran.
3:43:43We We don't condone [laughter]
3:43:45to you that Quran. Hold on.
3:43:47>> Hey, if Hey, if you have the last two
3:43:49verses of chapter 9, will you rip those?
3:43:51>> Yeah, take them off. Take them out.
3:43:52>> The last two verses, they're not
3:43:54revelation.
3:43:54>> If you have the last two verses of
3:43:56chapter nine in your Quran, will you rip
3:43:58those?
3:43:59>> I'll just take them all. Yeah, just
3:44:01>> Okay, we need to show We need to see you
3:44:02ripping them in front in front of David
3:44:03Wood.
3:44:04>> Yeah, go on then. [laughter]
3:44:07>> I like this.
3:44:09>> Yeah, we like you, man. Hold on.
3:44:12[laughter] If if you have the last two
3:44:14verses in chapter nine, you have to rip
3:44:15them in front of David
3:44:16>> and then you'll have it perfect.
3:44:17[laughter]
3:44:20>> Chapter nine.
3:44:22>> Don't just just beware. We're going to
3:44:24dox you after. [laughter]
3:44:27>> I came on. I didn't use my name
3:44:29intentionally.
3:44:30>> I I Hey, I got I got a guy.
3:44:34>> Yeah. Malik. Who did it? Malik did. Who
3:44:37did? [laughter]
3:44:40Yes.
3:44:43>> Chapter 9 say this is for Malik for
3:44:46[laughter]
3:44:46>> this is not what I'm here to do. But
3:44:48like this is not
3:44:50>> the Quran. It's not the Quran.
3:44:52>> Right. But I do want to show you
3:44:53something as well.
3:44:53>> So So it's not the Quran. So you can
3:44:55take it out.
3:44:56>> Yeah. It's only
3:44:58not part of the revelation.
3:44:59>> Yeah. It's not part of the revelation.
3:45:00So what's it doing?
3:45:01>> I have the English one in front of me
3:45:03though. I have the English one in front
3:45:04of me.
3:45:04>> Okay. Okay.
3:45:05>> Cool. The cool with you.
3:45:08>> David. He's the He's the master at
3:45:10>> Arabic. Only the Arabic matters.
3:45:12>> Only Arabic. Um
3:45:13>> yeah, only the Arabic.
3:45:15>> I have one on me right now.
3:45:16>> No, it's it's okay, man. It's It's okay.
3:45:18It's okay. So, the point that we're
3:45:19getting at is that even even as a as a
3:45:22as a as a submitter
3:45:24>> who's distinct from the Muslims.
3:45:26>> Yes.
3:45:27>> Islam is a religion, bro. It's a satanic
3:45:28religion. The Muslims, they worship
3:45:30Muhammad. They worship,
3:45:32the scholars, the Arabic.
3:45:34>> They do. They do.
3:45:36>> All right. And and so here's the issue
3:45:38is that so you have you have your Quran
3:45:40from Rashik Khalifa who they
3:45:42>> who they who they unalived and got rid
3:45:45of. Hold on. Let me get this guy out of
3:45:46here, man.
3:45:47>> Just like Jesus Jesus got crucified for
3:45:49the Jews. They want to kill him, right?
3:45:52>> Muhammad the the Quraysh wanted to kill
3:45:53him.
3:45:54>> So you have So with your Quran, you your
3:45:56Quran has verses that were taken out and
3:46:00without these with with these verses in
3:46:02there, the code 19 doesn't work, does
3:46:04it? Well, not only that, but it also it
3:46:06also makes Muhammad God basically.
3:46:08>> And it and it makes Muhammad God.
3:46:11>> So, so number one, so with these uh with
3:46:14with the entire other world of Muslims
3:46:18outside of the submitters,
3:46:20>> they have these corrupted Qurans.
3:46:23>> They have 30 versions. No, sorry. Over
3:46:25over 30 versions.
3:46:26>> Yeah. All of them have these verses.
3:46:28>> I know.
3:46:29>> Yeah. And so all of these verses thing
3:46:31is over 30 versions of the Quran.
3:46:32>> Yeah. They're not recitations. The
3:46:35>> And all of these versions make Muhammad
3:46:37God, correct?
3:46:38>> Well, they all have those two verses.
3:46:39Yeah.
3:46:40>> So, they're not accents. They're not
3:46:42>> That's it's it's intentional. Also,
3:46:44isn't it convenient?
3:46:45>> Right.
3:46:46>> Hold on. Yeah. Hold on. But isn't it
3:46:48>> it's it's it's not just accents. No,
3:46:49it's not just accents. But isn't it
3:46:51convenient that the only chapter in the
3:46:54whole entire Quran that's missing the
3:46:55that's missing God's signature is
3:46:57chapter 9? God didn't sign off on it
3:46:59intentionally.
3:47:00>> Yeah. Do you know why that is? According
3:47:01to
3:47:03scholars say the reason why is because
3:47:05they didn't know they didn't know if
3:47:06chapter 8 was ending at chapter eight or
3:47:08was beginning at chapter 9 they didn't
3:47:09know soi says that that's the best
3:47:11explanation that the the early
3:47:13companions
3:47:13>> that's what say
3:47:15>> yeah that's what say that they that the
3:47:18didn't know when they were compiling the
3:47:19Quran they didn't know whether to
3:47:21separate chapter 8 like they didn't know
3:47:22whether there's a part of it or not
3:47:23>> so stupid no
3:47:24>> so what's the reason then what's the
3:47:26reason
3:47:26>> that's what that's what the sunni
3:47:27scholar said
3:47:28>> according to
3:47:28>> yeah I know so yeah god he flagged
3:47:30chapter nine first because it was the
3:47:32only chapter that was going to be
3:47:33tampered with in terms of those two
3:47:35verses.
3:47:35>> So you're saying you're saying chapter
3:47:36nine is tampered with
3:47:37>> with those two verses. But now it's
3:47:39purified now. It's purified.
3:47:42>> Who purified it? Wait, who
3:47:43>> khalifa? God through the messenger of
3:47:46the covenant.
3:47:48>> Oh wow.
3:47:49>> So what do you say about the chapter n
3:47:50thing?
3:47:51>> Just really just really quick. How how
3:47:52do you know that he was right for taking
3:47:54those verses out?
3:47:55>> Where in the where in the Quran does it
3:47:56say that those verses don't belong?
3:47:59Well, for one, in chapter 62 and chapter
3:48:02654, God says that mercy is his
3:48:03attribute. It's not Muhammad's
3:48:05attribute.
3:48:06>> How do you know that? How do you know
3:48:06it's not his? It says that he's merciful
3:48:08in the verse. How do you know? So, the
3:48:09Quran is saying that Muhammad does have
3:48:11the attribute of mercy.
3:48:12>> No, 9128. No, that's not God's
3:48:13revelation. Look, I would The reason I
3:48:15can't based on what is my question? My
3:48:17question is based on what? Based where
3:48:19does the Quran tell you that 9128 and
3:48:22129 are not revelation of Allah?
3:48:25the the the messenger did and we we have
3:48:27proof for that because co 19 was too
3:48:30you're going outside of the Quran
3:48:33look now now you're now hold
3:48:36>> inside inside the inside inside I guess
3:48:38>> okay so where yeah where in the Quran
3:48:40does it tell you that 920 and I know uh
3:48:42John knew he got to go pretty soon and
3:48:44David you know we're gonna we're going
3:48:45to wrap up with this talk like before um
3:48:49>> Nope
3:48:51[laughter]
3:48:52you got through Avery first.
3:48:55>> Yeah. Ramadan 2026, if you uh if you
3:48:58actually want to if there's something
3:48:59you want to discuss with me and so on,
3:49:00let me let me know what you want to talk
3:49:01about. We'll set up a live stream on it.
3:49:03>> Of course. Yeah.
3:49:04>> Yeah.
3:49:05>> Awesome. So, in the Quran and I and I
3:49:08and I'll let you answer and I won't I
3:49:10won't fight you back on this because we
3:49:11got to end this.
3:49:13>> Okay. But five more just a few more
3:49:14minutes.
3:49:15>> Sure. So in the Quran in the Quran where
3:49:18does it tell you that 9128 and 29 are
3:49:22not revelation of Allah that they are uh
3:49:25verses that don't belong.
3:49:26>> Yeah. So judging by the content of 928
3:49:28in the Quran uh the prophet Muhammad he
3:49:31was commanded to say that he has he has
3:49:33no power to to benefit himself or
3:49:35anybody else. So if he is that means
3:49:38that he has the power because it says
3:49:409120 says most merciful most kind.
3:49:42That's what means most merciful most
3:49:44kind to the believers. It doesn't say to
3:49:45the believers of his time. So that that
3:49:47would mean that Muhammad is still
3:49:49benefiting me or people today.
3:49:51>> It's not true.
3:49:52>> I won't I won't fight you on that cuz I
3:49:54got to end it. I do have rebuttals. But
3:49:56I uh I like what you did there.
3:49:58>> Yeah. But what I what I want to show you
3:50:00though. What I want to show you is
3:50:01>> I don't I don't got time for you to show
3:50:03me nothing. Asam.
3:50:03>> It's No, it's not for you. No. I'm just
3:50:05saying to answer one of your questions
3:50:06for it was for Jay and Duck.
3:50:08>> What? What question?
3:50:09>> So like when you say also that the
3:50:11handheld Quran's corrupted but let me
3:50:12ask you this. If I take an Arabic, Quran
3:50:14or a Bible and I add one extra page to
3:50:16it, is the is it corrupted now or is it
3:50:18just the physical text that's corrupted?
3:50:20>> I was asking you.
3:50:21>> That's what we wanted to know cuz you
3:50:22were the one saying HS is the Hops is
3:50:24the the one that's closestly closest to
3:50:27Muhammad.
3:50:27>> Check this out. Yeah. So, let's say if I
3:50:30take the Quran, right?
3:50:31>> Let's take this piece of paper, right?
3:50:33And then I I add it into the Quran,
3:50:36right? And same size, same text, same
3:50:38everything. Is the Quran corrupted now
3:50:40or is it just a physical text? Same
3:50:42same.
3:50:43>> Well, it is it says it's a verse with a
3:50:45number and
3:50:47at the end of it. So, Muslims are saying
3:50:49to us this is preserved. So, I'm asking
3:50:51you what's your evidence?
3:50:52>> Which one? Ask them which one. Yeah.
3:50:53Code 19 is is our evidence. But for
3:50:54>> Yeah. Which which Quran is preserved is
3:50:56the question.
3:50:57>> Is the the most closest one. We have we
3:50:59have access to the Quran the master
3:51:00tablet through code.
3:51:01>> Okay.
3:51:01>> It's the closest but it's not exactly
3:51:03correct.
3:51:04>> It's the it's it's the closest through
3:51:06like
3:51:07>> but but not exactly right.
3:51:09>> But not exactly as in heaven, right?
3:51:11What I what I want to do you remember
3:51:12you remember Abdullah the submitter
3:51:14right?
3:51:15>> Forget it brother. Answer the question.
3:51:16Hassam. Slow down and answer the
3:51:18question.
3:51:18>> Yeah.
3:51:19>> Is is is does hops match the preserved
3:51:22tablet of the Quran in heaven
3:51:23>> without without the two verses. And even
3:51:25>> no no [laughter] even no don't stop
3:51:27saying without hops as it is. Does it
3:51:30match the Quran in heaven?
3:51:33>> Yeah. Through through code 19. Yeah.
3:51:35>> Okay.
3:51:35>> Wait wait wait. You
3:51:36>> without without the verses that are in
3:51:38it though.
3:51:39>> About the
3:51:39>> Hey, focus man. I'm saying
3:51:41[clears throat] someone someone's
3:51:42>> It's okay. I got to wrap it up. Thanks
3:51:44for coming.
3:51:44>> All right.
3:51:45>> Hey, look, David is going to have you
3:51:46on, bro. They'll have you on.
3:51:47>> Hey, he he'll let you cook all the
3:51:49Sunnis, man. Trust me.
3:51:50>> He just He just destroyed Islam.
3:51:53>> Yeah.
3:51:54>> Yeah. He doesn't believe it. He says
3:51:55Islam is a satanic religion.
3:51:57>> Yeah, he does. He says that.
3:51:58>> He's got a point there.
3:52:00>> He's got a point.
3:52:01>> He's got a He's got a huge point.
3:52:02>> You do have a point.
3:52:04Um anyway, so I'm just I'm going to
3:52:07finish out reading some super chats, but
3:52:08uh Giant DLC, David Wood, you guys can
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3:52:13thank you guys for coming through. This
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3:52:17And I think we're going to be uh doing
3:52:19this topic a lot more, aren't we? This
3:52:21and Muhammad in the Bible.
3:52:23>> Oh, yeah.
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3:53:11>> Yeah.
3:53:12>> You know what I'm saying?
3:53:14>> Imagine half a million people watching
3:53:15you, man.
3:53:16>> That's amazing.
3:53:17>> That's Yeah, that is that is crazy. It
3:53:19really is a It's a dream come true, man.
3:53:22Walking in the Lord, man. He's so
3:53:24faithful. He's been faithful
3:53:26>> from day one. Even before day one, he's
3:53:28just been faithful. So, it's really
3:53:30surreal and uh you know, just got to
3:53:33stay obedient and humble. Man, this is
3:53:34uh it's really exciting.
3:53:36>> But the real question is whether Avery
3:53:39is going to be able to double it by the
3:53:42end of the year. [gasps]
3:53:44>> Double 500.
3:53:47>> Yeah. Nah. You know, and God can do
3:53:50anything,
3:53:52>> but doubling doubling 500 by the end of
3:53:55the year, that's insane, David.
3:53:56>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it gets it gets
3:53:57easier as you go along, right?
3:53:59>> Yeah, that's true.
3:54:00>> It only took you a few years to get to
3:54:02500, right? But now you have all this
3:54:04momentum and stuff going, man. So,
3:54:07>> we'll see. We'll see. Definitely 700 by
3:54:10the end of the year.
3:54:13>> God willing.
3:54:13>> God willing. All right. I love you guys.
3:54:16I'm too, bro. Thanks for having us.
3:54:18Thank you.
3:54:18>> God bless you.
3:54:19>> God bless. God bless. All right.
3:54:22>> All right, David. If you're sticking
3:54:23around, man, you're going to help me
3:54:24read these.
3:54:25>> Oh, I'll stick around, man.
3:54:26>> Yes.
3:54:27>> I thought you were saying goodbye to
3:54:28everyone. I was taking off.
3:54:29>> Oh, I Yeah, I was because you didn't
3:54:31have to stay, but I don't want to hold
3:54:32you hostage. You feel me?
3:54:33>> You're good. You're good.
3:54:34>> Okay. For sure. Uh, all right. You
3:54:38having that uh you having the Quran only
3:54:40Muslim is going to be hilarious. Do you
3:54:42know how much you you know that's going
3:54:44to make a lot of
3:54:45>> Hey, I see a Muslim just trashing Islam
3:54:47and calling it his demonic. Hey,
3:54:49[laughter]
3:54:50let's talk.
3:54:51>> Let's talk.
3:54:54Let's talk, man. You got you got all the
3:54:56space you want.
3:54:57>> Plus, he was cool. He was like smiling
3:54:59and happy. He wasn't like enraged like
3:55:01some people.
3:55:02>> Yeah. Ham is a cool guy. He's been on
3:55:04this is probably like his fourth or
3:55:05fifth time coming on this on on my
3:55:07stream. Like, he's he's cool, you know?
3:55:10He's chill. He's not disrespectful. He's
3:55:11not belligerent or nothing like that. He
3:55:13can he can he can laugh. He has, you
3:55:14know, sense of humor. So, he's he's he's
3:55:16going to be a fun a fun guest on
3:55:18Apologetics Road Show. Uh let's see. Alz
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3:55:30All right. Shout out to you.
3:55:32>> Jew from the Jew from the Hood, man.
3:55:35Today, using a lot of what y'all taught
3:55:37me, I talked a girl into leaving Islam
3:55:40and now debating unconverting to Christ.
3:55:43You guys make a difference. Thank you so
3:55:45much. That means everything, Chris. God
3:55:48bless you, man. And may God increase you
3:55:50in your wisdom and and in your
3:55:52evangelism. That's awesome. [snorts]
3:55:54Going to try to zoom through these.
3:55:56Shayan and Allah are equal power
3:55:59according to this guy, I guess. So much
3:56:01an all powerful deity.
3:56:04Another super sticker. Thank you.
3:56:07DJ Jules says, "Hey everyone, I just
3:56:09thought about how you all represent God
3:56:12and our faith so well by working
3:56:14together. We love you all and pray for
3:56:17your strength, continued perseverance in
3:56:20your purpose in Jesus name. Amen."
3:56:23>> Oh yeah. I I don't know if you saw uh
3:56:25Malik's final rant, but he was flipping
3:56:28out about how Muslims won't stick
3:56:30together and they all attack each other
3:56:31and then when a real hero emerges, they
3:56:34don't support him and they all turn
3:56:35against him and stuff and he's and he
3:56:36was go he's like that's why the
3:56:38Christians are going to win, man.
3:56:39>> These guys stick together. [laughter]
3:56:41>> He that has been a constant thing for
3:56:43him. He's always talking about how we we
3:56:46collab and you know I'll hop on other
3:56:49smaller Christian platforms, you know,
3:56:51and just cook on there and all that kind
3:56:54of stuff. He says the UMA is so divided.
3:56:55The UMA is not the same, you know. And
3:56:57he's right.
3:56:58>> He's got a point.
3:56:59>> Yep. Too much ego, too much pride. They
3:57:02will tear each other down when they see
3:57:03somebody rising and passing them up or
3:57:05whatever, you know. Too much too much
3:57:08Satanism in that.
3:57:09>> Yeah. cuz all the DA guys are
3:57:10narcissists and the narcissists want all
3:57:13the attention for themselves. So now
3:57:14they have nothing but narcissists at the
3:57:16top of the DA community and they're all
3:57:17declaring war on each other
3:57:19>> and uh they can't they can't have
3:57:21someone else like rising up because
3:57:23that's that's competition for you.
3:57:25>> Exactly.
3:57:25>> Got to destroy him.
3:57:27>> Exactly. Uh let's see here. Quran is
3:57:30eternal but some verses are abregated.
3:57:33How?
3:57:35That's a good point. verses of the Quran
3:57:38are abregated. And that we're not just
3:57:39talking about overruled. We're talking
3:57:41about gone.
3:57:42>> Yeah.
3:57:42>> Out of the Quran. Yet the Quran is
3:57:45eternal and
3:57:47um uh Yeah. Just it's eternal.
3:57:50>> Yeah.
3:57:50>> So how can be gone?
3:57:52>> Yeah. So the idea here is uh you know
3:57:54you we can all understand because you
3:57:56know in Christianity we have God giving
3:57:58rules and then later on you have
3:57:59different you know people in different
3:58:01situations. So he can he can and anyone
3:58:03who's been a parent knows how this goes.
3:58:04you have a different different rules for
3:58:06your kid when he's six than you do when
3:58:08your kid when he's 16 and so on. But
3:58:10here's the issue. It's like all these
3:58:12verses are part of the eternal speech of
3:58:16Allah. And within eternal speech of
3:58:19Allah, wherever you believe that,
3:58:20whether you believe it's in a tablet or
3:58:21you believe it's in Allah's head or
3:58:23whatever, wherever it is, in the eternal
3:58:25Quran, you have a verse saying it's okay
3:58:27to drink alcohol as long as you don't
3:58:29show up to prayer drunk. You got to
3:58:30sober up first. And then another verse
3:58:31that's saying you're not allowed to
3:58:32drink alcohol. and another verse 482
3:58:36saying, "Hey, the reason uh the reason
3:58:38you can trust this book is because you
3:58:39don't find uh all kinds of discrepancy
3:58:41and contradiction in it."
3:58:42>> Mhm. [snorts]
3:58:45My my my super excited for this live.
3:58:48God bless y'all. Yeah, I see a lot of
3:58:51you guys like this topic. You guys you
3:58:53guys like this topic. us going through
3:58:56uh various sources demonstrating how
3:58:59Muhammad was bewitched and Satan and and
3:59:02uh is Satan influenced and demon
3:59:04possess. You guys like this stuff. So,
3:59:07uh I think that we're going to do bring
3:59:09this out a lot more.
3:59:10>> Yeah. You got to give the people what
3:59:11they want, man.
3:59:12>> Got to give them what they want.
3:59:13>> Got to give the people what they want.
3:59:14What's crazy is you could like zero in
3:59:16on any one of those subtopics, right?
3:59:18You could just zero in and go through
3:59:19all the hadiths and then the uh the S
3:59:21and so on about Muhammad being a victim
3:59:24of black magic and so on.
3:59:26>> Um
3:59:27>> yeah,
3:59:27>> I want I want to do one on um on
3:59:30focusing on how he received his
3:59:32revelations and how he would foam here
3:59:34hear the ringing of the bell and all
3:59:36this stuff. head would spin around and
3:59:38start vomiting out playing all
3:59:40[laughter] directions going us back you
3:59:42know just you know walking you know I I
3:59:44want to go through uh go through those
3:59:46and in parallel with demon possession in
3:59:48the New Testament that we see and so I
3:59:51think that that would be good to
3:59:53to compare and bring out. John says,
3:59:55"Muslims can verify. Statistically, it's
3:59:58not possible that the satanic verses are
4:00:01false. 50 sources within 200 years of
4:00:04Muhammad's life, historians all agree."
4:00:08Yeah, this is um it it's so clear when
4:00:12Muslims the reason why Muslims are
4:00:15denying this and why they started coming
4:00:16out denying it. When you have a trend
4:00:19within the earliest years of Islam,
4:00:21everybody's saying, "Yes, this happened.
4:00:23Yes, this happened." And then you see
4:00:25that trend change and switch to uh
4:00:30denying that it happened. Uh [snorts]
4:00:33and actually and it work it worked its
4:00:34way to that to where they deny it
4:00:36completely. At first it wasn't denial
4:00:38100%. Right David? It was some type of
4:00:40denial.
4:00:41>> Yeah, it was it was a mixture. Yeah, it
4:00:42was a mixture. So basically first two
4:00:43centuries complete agreement. um the
4:00:47past two centuries, in other words, like
4:00:49now in the past two centuries, um almost
4:00:52almost complete disagreement and then in
4:00:55between it in between it's all a
4:00:56mixture, but it's yeah, it it shifted.
4:00:58It shifted over time. It's just it's
4:01:00just like like seriously weird like hey
4:01:04Muslims today who've never studied any
4:01:06of this who are kind of like the victims
4:01:08of all these people who made all these
4:01:10decisions over time for them.
4:01:13>> Um they know better than the earliest
4:01:16generation of Muslims.
4:01:17>> It's like what seriously guys seriously
4:01:20you know better
4:01:21>> than the first century Muslims.
4:01:24Let's see. Uh chapter 15:39-42
4:01:28exposes Mimi as a follower of Satan.
4:01:31This is what it says. Uh said talking
4:01:35about El Satan said, "Oh my lord,
4:01:38because you misled me, I shall indeed
4:01:40adorn the path of error for them on the
4:01:43earth and I shall mislead them all
4:01:47except your chosen slaves among them."
4:01:52Allah said, "This is the way which will
4:01:55lead straight to me.
4:01:58Certainly, you shall have no authority
4:01:59over my slaves except those who follow
4:02:02you of the mushriun."
4:02:05You guys see that? So, Muham Satan will
4:02:08have no effect, no authority on those
4:02:11who who do not follow him, only on those
4:02:14who follow Satan. So, bye-bye, Muhammad.
4:02:18Hey, you know what's crazy?
4:02:20I used to share this years ago even even
4:02:22in a one or two debates. But um so
4:02:26Muhammad guy just cast a magic spell on
4:02:30him and like took out took out Muhammad
4:02:33for a while. Uh he's walking around and
4:02:36just acting really really weird,
4:02:37delusional thoughts, false beliefs and
4:02:39so on. Um in prison there was a there
4:02:41was a high priest of Wikah. There was a
4:02:43high priest of Wikah who got locked up.
4:02:45And so he looked he looked like Gandalf
4:02:47man. had this long long gray hair and
4:02:49beard and stuff like that walking around
4:02:51and um anyway uh we started challenging
4:02:54him and uh and then he he cast a spell
4:02:57on me.
4:02:59>> Uhhuh.
4:03:01>> Now what happened?
4:03:02>> What happened?
4:03:02>> He died.
4:03:05>> You were a Christian at this time?
4:03:06>> Yep.
4:03:08>> And you know what? You know what you
4:03:09know what else is weird was? So he cast
4:03:10a spell on us to basically it it wasn't
4:03:12like to kill us or anything. It was to
4:03:13keep us from coming down there and
4:03:15challenging him in front of everybody.
4:03:17Um because we're going to go uh yeah, we
4:03:19were going to go down and challenge him
4:03:20and say, "Okay, uh if you have uh magic
4:03:23powers and cast a spell on us and see
4:03:25what happens." But there was a devil
4:03:26worshipper who found out our plan. And
4:03:29the devil worshipper went and told the
4:03:30high priest of Wick. I mean, think about
4:03:32it. This is prison, man. It's got like
4:03:33gangsters in here, killers, and you got
4:03:35this dork, high priest of Wick
4:03:37[laughter] in here, and his other dork
4:03:39and the devil worshipper. But then they
4:03:41like the devil worshippers like feeding
4:03:42him information and so on. So, he casts
4:03:44a spell on us to keep us from going and
4:03:47challenging him. We're going to go down
4:03:48and say like, "Okay, what do you need?
4:03:49What do you need for your spell? What
4:03:50you want? Uh, fingernail clippings,
4:03:51hair, blood, what what do you want? What
4:03:53do you need from us to cast your spell?"
4:03:54And then we're going to see you show
4:03:55everyone here, show your couple of dork
4:03:58fans and so on um that you can cast a
4:04:00magic spell. So, we're going to do that.
4:04:01And then he cast a magic spell to keep
4:04:03us away. And so, we found out that he
4:04:05cast a spell on us. And anyway, then we
4:04:06go down there. Then we go down there to
4:04:08uh challenge him. And I'd never seen
4:04:11anyone shake like this in my life when
4:04:13we showed up. I mean, like hand like
4:04:15this. And that's when he announced that
4:04:17uh that he was being he wouldn't be
4:04:20having the meeting the following week
4:04:21because he was being taken out to uh
4:04:23remove uh brain tumors and stuff like
4:04:25that. And so
4:04:26>> and then he died.
4:04:28>> Yep. Fortunately, fortunately,
4:04:30fortunately, they they uh they put him
4:04:31in like hospice after. It was crazy
4:04:33because like maybe a month or two later,
4:04:35this like pale, shriveled up, bald guy
4:04:38starts walking across the and and I saw
4:04:40him and stuff like that. And all of a
4:04:41sudden, my bunk mate goes, "Hey, hey,
4:04:43Oaks is back." Guy's last name was Oaks.
4:04:45Said Oaks is back. I was like, "Really?
4:04:46Where?" And he goes, "That that that
4:04:48pale dude walking around." So anyway, he
4:04:49was like, "Uh, yeah, he was looking
4:04:51really bad." But then they put him in
4:04:52like hospice and stuff like that. But
4:04:54there were two awesome Christian uh cos
4:04:57there, the Gilmer brothers and they were
4:04:59brothers and uh they said they said they
4:05:02were uh they said they were over there
4:05:03witnessing to him and stuff. So I don't
4:05:04know how things turned out. That was
4:05:05just you know I know the spell didn't
4:05:07work on me.
4:05:08>> Yeah, the spell didn't work.
4:05:10>> Why didn't because he who is in me is
4:05:12greater than he who is in the world.
4:05:15>> Muhammad could not say the same.
4:05:16>> Muhammad didn't have him in him.
4:05:18Muhammad didn't have the Lord.
4:05:20I don't gamble, but I'd bet my life that
4:05:2399.9%
4:05:25of Muslims simply recite Arabic with
4:05:28zero clue of what they're saying. Islam,
4:05:34religion of ignorance. Yep.
4:05:37>> Basic.
4:05:37>> It wouldn't be 99.9% of Muslims, but
4:05:40yeah, that you do have pe like people
4:05:42who are just like Indonesian and stuff
4:05:43like that. They'll still memorize the
4:05:45Quran or parts of the Quran, but they'll
4:05:46have no clue what they're talking about.
4:05:47>> Don't know what this is. Face it. Islam
4:05:51is Ramadan.
4:05:53Nice.
4:05:55We have a confession.
4:05:57Gabriel said, "Lord taught said, "Lord
4:06:01taught man that which he did not know."
4:06:05That he was referring to the serpent in
4:06:07the Garden of Eden. We did not know of
4:06:10good and evil until the serpent gave us
4:06:13knowledge of it. Thus, sin is counted
4:06:16against us.
4:06:18What are you referring to?
4:06:23What you on about with that one? Uh, all
4:06:26lust will be fulfilled in heaven equals
4:06:30satanic. Yep, that's the Islamic
4:06:31religion. Hi guys, thanks for
4:06:34everything. May God bless you.
4:06:35Yesterday, may by God's grace, I
4:06:37converted a Muslim and he gave his life
4:06:39to Jesus. Praise God. Yep. That's what
4:06:42we do this for, man. Equip you guys. You
4:06:45guys have the conversations with
4:06:46Muslims, you know, and bring them over
4:06:49to Christ by the by the Lord's will.
4:06:51Question, how could Allah have a son if
4:06:53he didn't have any cousins?
4:06:55>> Yeah, that's that's uh that's their main
4:06:58point.
4:06:59>> It makes it makes so much sense now. Why
4:07:02Ramadan begins by reading the moon?
4:07:06Because he he the PDF is a lunatic.
4:07:10You guys are good. You guys are sharp
4:07:11with this stuff. Thank you for the super
4:07:13sticker, GL. Didn't you get the inspired
4:07:16footnote of Uman that said, "All
4:07:18prophets are messiahs." What we doing
4:07:21here, man? I sure did. I did get
4:07:23inspired footnote. Yeah,
4:07:25>> that was a question, not a statement.
4:07:27Don't be disrespectable, guys. Come on,
4:07:31Danny. Come on. Don't do that.
4:07:34[laughter]
4:07:35Y'all being mad disrespectable, guys.
4:07:38>> That was a guy earlier on.
4:07:39>> Yes.
4:07:40>> Disrespectable. He he he he did you know
4:07:42he didn't really English ain't his first
4:07:44language. All right. Off topic number
4:07:47one sermon from RC Sprout. I am the
4:07:50Lord. There is no other. Awesome
4:07:53thoughts on Sprout. Two at my desk here.
4:07:56The kid asks, "What's for dinner?" Wife
4:07:59says, "We're having tacos in perfect
4:08:02cigar."
4:08:05[gasps]
4:08:05>> Um I haven't seen any of Sprout's work.
4:08:09I think it's Sprout. Is this Sprout or
4:08:10Sprout?
4:08:11>> RC Sproul, I think.
4:08:12>> Spruel. Oh, okay. Yeah, I haven't I
4:08:14haven't seen any of his stuff.
4:08:16>> I read one of his books on the gospel
4:08:17once. Good. Good stuff.
4:08:20>> Dan in the house says, "Stacked
4:08:22panhole." Oh, hi, Mike. Nice. Um, I'm
4:08:25gonna kind of kind of skim through a lot
4:08:27of these because there's just too many
4:08:28to read. Honestly, guys, it'll take me
4:08:30till another hour to get through these,
4:08:31unfortunately. But I want to say I thank
4:08:34thank you guys um for donating. Here's
4:08:37here's one that looks interesting. Is
4:08:391094 dilemma stronger than Islamic
4:08:41dilemma? 1094 is the Islamic dilemma.
4:08:44Logically, wouldn't it make all Islamic
4:08:47internal defenses invalid because all
4:08:50Islam would have zero valid validity
4:08:52slority without first passing the 1094
4:08:56test. That's if they doubt. So if
4:08:59they're in doubt about uh you know God
4:09:03about what Allah is revealing to
4:09:04Muhammad the prophets Muhammad's
4:09:07prophethood you know uh who and what
4:09:11Allah is when he says what he's
4:09:13revealing about himself and that doesn't
4:09:15go that doesn't line up with the
4:09:17previous scriptures then the Quran is
4:09:19false. So that's what the Quran has to
4:09:23pass. It has to line up with the
4:09:25previous scriptures theologically and
4:09:27historically. Now, they can have their
4:09:29own Sharia, you know, they can there's
4:09:31nothing wrong with having their own set
4:09:33of laws or Sharia specific to them. Um,
4:09:36but theologically and historically, they
4:09:38have to they have to line up, [snorts]
4:09:42you know. But yeah, so 1094 is the is
4:09:45part of the Islamic dilemma, guys. It's
4:09:47not stronger than the Islamic demma.
4:09:49It's part of it. It's one of the
4:09:50arguments in the Islamic dilemma.
4:09:52[snorts]
4:09:54Let's see here.
4:09:56wanted to say anything to that or you
4:09:58nothing.
4:09:59Allah's warrior have has all
4:10:02[clears throat] the right to be
4:10:03concerned. Yeah. DLC is Islam's worst
4:10:07nightmare. Wise, eloquent woman
4:10:09indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Jesus
4:10:11bless her. The panel and all of the true
4:10:14God's children. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Hey,
4:10:17Avery. This year sometime we're going to
4:10:19start up an all ladies apologist call-in
4:10:23show, but guys can call in.
4:10:26>> Yes.
4:10:26>> And when they get crushed, it's like
4:10:28doubly traumatic. So they're losing
4:10:30their argument for Islam, but they're
4:10:32losing it to people who are
4:10:34intellectually deficient.
4:10:35>> Yes. Who are who only have half a brain.
4:10:40But in total, if there's multiple, you
4:10:42know, maybe add up to two brains. If we
4:10:44get like four of them, you know, that'll
4:10:46be good.
4:10:48And [clears throat] 1094 gives judgment
4:10:50of Quran to the JNC's. What what's the
4:10:54>> Jews and Christians?
4:10:55>> Okay. So the Jews and Christians
4:10:56determine what the previous scriptures
4:10:58are. Islam would have to prove
4:11:01externally what Jews and Christians had
4:11:03is not what we have. You're absolutely
4:11:05right.
4:11:08You have to start a page with the lady
4:11:10logic and jai. Uh they will cook. Call
4:11:13it let the ladies cook. I think he means
4:11:17DLC.
4:11:17>> He means DLC. Yes, he means DLC.
4:11:20[clears throat]
4:11:22>> I can't. DLC's reactions and face face
4:11:24expressions are priceless. Absolutely.
4:11:28Been grinning cheek to cheek. Excited to
4:11:30see all my favorite people together
4:11:33crashing Islam. May God bless you all
4:11:36and continue to give you the boldness to
4:11:38stand firm in the truth of our Lord and
4:11:41Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
4:11:43Amen to that. Let me kind of skim
4:11:45through a little bit. David, I watched
4:11:47your latest AP and David Wood video and
4:11:50I want to clarify that I did not intend
4:11:53any violent message in my super chat
4:11:55shown. It was a poor choice in verse. It
4:11:59was only to refute false love.
4:12:03>> I have to say I have no clue what you're
4:12:04talking about. So
4:12:08you you didn't have to say anything.
4:12:10>> You didn't have to say you could have
4:12:11got away with it. But now I'm on to you,
4:12:14buddy.
4:12:15>> Looking forward to seeing you at the
4:12:17Blessed God Summit. I have a fun little
4:12:19gift for Rouslon to commemorate y'all
4:12:23cooking those so-called Christians in
4:12:25that debate. I was hoping I could find a
4:12:29way to pass it to you so you can pass it
4:12:31to him.
4:12:33Well, I'll be there. So, if you get it
4:12:35to me and I see you first, uh, or you
4:12:37see me first, you can get it to me. If I
4:12:39see you first, we will never meet.
4:12:43Flipping I know says Momo told a married
4:12:46woman to suckle another man, not her
4:12:49husband, and still was considered a
4:12:51prophet. That's a miracle.
4:12:54>> That' be the closest thing to a miracle
4:12:55in Islam.
4:12:56>> Mashallah.
4:12:58Let's see here. Um, to Jesus be the
4:13:02victory yesterday, today, until the end
4:13:03of time. Amen. Absolutely. Here it is.
4:13:07[clears throat]
4:13:09Someone at least one at the time of
4:13:12Muhammad had the uncorrupted word point
4:13:14to them and save Gabriel some holiday
4:13:17time. Why all that extra effort via a
4:13:21desert nomad?
4:13:23Yeah.
4:13:25Um, let me see here. For the first time
4:13:28in over 160 years, Lent, Ash Wednesday,
4:13:32Lunar New Year, and Ramadan, all within
4:13:34a 24-hour period and won't happen again
4:13:37until 2189.
4:13:39You know what that means? Multima.
4:13:44God bless you all. It's hilarious.
4:13:48This is just to test. My other account
4:13:50does not let me donate. May triune God
4:13:53bless you all. Thank you for testing
4:13:56that.
4:13:58How can you refute Satan when his
4:14:00message aligns with the law? They both
4:14:03reject the trinity. Crucifixion and
4:14:04Jesus divine nature. Looks like another
4:14:07dilemma.
4:14:09>> It is we it is weird how so many so many
4:14:11of the uh uh callers who call in on any
4:14:14topic like this are like ah but if if
4:14:16Islam is from from Satan, why would it
4:14:19condemn Satan? Explain that. And as DS
4:14:22was point like, do you really expect
4:14:23Satan to come up to you and be like,
4:14:25"Hi, I am Satan, prince of darkness. I'm
4:14:28here to lead you astray."
4:14:31>> That's exactly how he's supposed to
4:14:32come.
4:14:33>> Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like, no,
4:14:36>> not how Satan,
4:14:37>> not it is.
4:14:38>> Approaches it.
4:14:39>> Allah smooth Shin says, "God loic going
4:14:43to need a whole new red book just for
4:14:45this stream." Goodness, this topic
4:14:48brought the demons. No, for real, for
4:14:51real, for real, for real. Uh, let me
4:14:52see. Um,
4:14:55not sure if you run this argument, but
4:14:57maybe prove Muhammad can't be a prophet
4:15:00of God according to Deuteronomy 18:20
4:15:02because he revealed the satanic verses.
4:15:04That's literally the connection, guys.
4:15:05David Wood, [laughter]
4:15:07>> I've been running that. I've been
4:15:08running that for years. And you can go
4:15:10way back probably
4:15:14about 20 years on Answering Islam and
4:15:16look up my video. the I mean, look at I
4:15:18said video because that was back when I
4:15:19wrote articles. Uh, check out my
4:15:22article, the Deuteronomy deductions. The
4:15:26Deuteronomy deductions. Pretty
4:15:28straightforward. If someone who claims
4:15:31to be a prophet does this, he's a false
4:15:34prophet who has to die. Premise two,
4:15:36Muhammad did this. Conclusion,
4:15:38Muhammad's a false prophet who would
4:15:39have been executed.
4:15:42So, so I mean the the logic there is as
4:15:45tight as uh formal logic gets. It's
4:15:48modus ponins. And so you either have to
4:15:51deny Deuteronomy 18:20 which is very
4:15:56difficult for them because they go to
4:15:57Deuteronomy 18:18 as their main prophecy
4:15:59of Muhammad. Um and because the Quran
4:16:02confirms the inspiration, preservation,
4:16:04and authority of the Torah. So really
4:16:06hard to deny that from either way or you
4:16:08have to deny the satanic verses. And so
4:16:10you have to throw, you know, all 50 of
4:16:11those sources under the bus and so on.
4:16:14>> Yeah.
4:16:15>> Which so they they choose they choose
4:16:17the second one.
4:16:20>> David more real than Word. Lol. JK. Love
4:16:23you. Word. Word. And I catching strays
4:16:26out here, man. Uh let's see. Just read
4:16:28that one. David Wood, how do I set up a
4:16:30meeting with you? This is Husam. Oh,
4:16:33this is the guy. Uh oh. Oh, yeah. Um, go
4:16:37to my uh go to my um YouTube homepage
4:16:40and uh you can click on my email there.
4:16:43Send me a message. Put, hey, this is me.
4:16:45I talked to you on GodLogic Stream or
4:16:46something like that because uh I do, as
4:16:48everyone who messages me knows, I do
4:16:50tend to miss a lot of messages. I can't
4:16:52keep up. But yeah, put something there
4:16:54to get my attention. We'll set something
4:16:55up.
4:16:57In my earlier chat, I was trying to ask
4:16:59if the Lord referred to by the angel in
4:17:02the cave was actually the serpent from
4:17:06Genesis.
4:17:08Um,
4:17:10[clears throat]
4:17:10you know, there's there's no telling,
4:17:12guys, if uh like if it's like Satan
4:17:15himself,
4:17:16who, you know, or if it's just another
4:17:19demon class of demons, you know, who
4:17:22knows? you know, it's not it's it's I
4:17:25don't think it's that it's worth looking
4:17:27that deep into it or putting that much
4:17:29onto it to say, you know, that it's
4:17:32connecting connecting to Genesis or
4:17:34anything like that, guys. We just know
4:17:37that whatever
4:17:38uh Muhammad experienced in the cave was
4:17:41from a demon. Um and if that demon had a
4:17:44lord, it was somebody who rules over
4:17:46him, you know, [clears throat] and it's
4:17:49and it's that simple, you know. So,
4:17:53stop it. It's not not that deep. Asking
4:17:56on behalf of my wife, why is he rude to
4:18:00Muslims when he explains the Bible? I
4:18:03thought we were all supposed to show
4:18:04unconditional love like he did. No hate,
4:18:08but she low-key made a solid point. Um,
4:18:11who who is your wife referring to? Uh,
4:18:14brother Sip Call, is she referring to
4:18:16me?
4:18:18[clears throat]
4:18:18got you. I
4:18:20>> I I think she's clearly
4:18:21>> There's no one else on the panel.
4:18:23>> I think she's clearly talking about you.
4:18:25Clearly.
4:18:26>> What in the world?
4:18:27>> Because I'm like the nicest apologist of
4:18:30all time, you know. Uh
4:18:33>> yeah, I'll give a I'll give a quick
4:18:34response that would apply to uh to
4:18:36anyone who's uh who's part of this live
4:18:39stream. Um if you look at the Bible, if
4:18:43you look at the Bible, um you have
4:18:47sometimes you have uh just brutal
4:18:49rebuke, just brutal rebuke.
4:18:53Um you even have like mockery and so on.
4:18:57If you look old testament or new
4:18:58testament, old testament or new
4:19:00testament, um
4:19:03the people who would be on the receiving
4:19:06end of this just brutal
4:19:10mocking rebuke, you get you get kind of
4:19:12three categories of people. You get um
4:19:16you get uh false prophets,
4:19:20[clears throat] you get false prophets,
4:19:21you get false teachers who are lead
4:19:23religious leaders who are leading other
4:19:24people astray and oppressors. So Old
4:19:27Testament and New Testament. So false
4:19:30prophets, religious leaders who are
4:19:32leading other people astray and
4:19:34oppressors.
4:19:36Since those were the people, Since those
4:19:39were the people who were on the
4:19:40receiving end of just brutal mockery,
4:19:43rebuke, insults, and so on, we'd have to
4:19:45ask, okay, if those are the categories
4:19:47of people who are on the receiving end
4:19:48of that, who's kind of the rece who's
4:19:50kind of like the supreme example of a
4:19:53false prophet, a religious leader who
4:19:55leads other people astray, and an
4:19:57oppressor,
4:19:59Muhammad. He's kind of like he's kind of
4:20:01like the supreme example of all of those
4:20:03categories. So biblically, Muhammad is
4:20:06just wide open for not in a Z sense, but
4:20:09wide open for open rebuke.
4:20:16And so if that is biblical, it's just
4:20:19very strange if you think um it's it's
4:20:24mean when we're explaining things.
4:20:26Unconditional love. This is the this is
4:20:28the problem. What do you mean by
4:20:29unconditional love? Like what do you
4:20:31mean by that? When Jesus was when Jesus
4:20:34was just blasting away at the scribes
4:20:36and Pharisees, did he love them? Was
4:20:37that unloving? Because he was just
4:20:39really really mean and insulting.
4:20:42I don't think he was being unloving
4:20:43there. I think that I think he was
4:20:45telling them exactly what they needed to
4:20:48hear at that time. And so, uh, yeah,
4:20:52look, woe to you scribes and Pharisees,
4:20:53hypocrites, for you shut the kingdom of
4:20:55heaven in people's faces, for you
4:20:56neither enter yourselves nor allow those
4:20:58who would enter to go in. Woe to you
4:21:00scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for
4:21:02you travel across sea and land to make a
4:21:04single proelite. And when he becomes a
4:21:06proelite, you make him twice as much a
4:21:09child of hell as yourselves. Woe to you
4:21:12blind guides who say, "If anyone swears
4:21:13by the temple, it is nothing. But if he
4:21:15swears uh but if anyone swears by the
4:21:17gold of the temple, he is bound by his
4:21:18oath." You blind fools? For which is
4:21:21greater? The gold of the temp the gold
4:21:22or the temple that has made the gold
4:21:24sacred? And you say, "If anyone swears
4:21:26by the altar, it's nothing. But if
4:21:27anyone swears by the gift that is on the
4:21:28altar, he is bound by his oath. You
4:21:30blind men. For which is greater, the
4:21:32gift or the altar that makes the gift
4:21:34sacred? So whoever swears by the altar,
4:21:36swears by it and everything on it. And
4:21:38so Jesus goes on just uh crushing these
4:21:41guys, humiliating them in front of
4:21:43everyone. Was he being unloving or were
4:21:46these guys in some serious serious
4:21:50danger on the day of judgment? And he
4:21:54was letting them know that. So anyway,
4:21:56point is if you if you take if you if
4:21:58you uh if you're interpreting the Bible
4:22:00as you always have to be as nice as
4:22:02possible to everyone. Uh
4:22:06I'd love to see a defense of that.
4:22:09Hey, you're muted, man. Wow, I didn't
4:22:12even know I did that. Clarification. She
4:22:14stated that regarding Sam and David as I
4:22:17prophesied.
4:22:19Y'all roasting my wife in the comments
4:22:21for what? She's a baby Christian asking
4:22:24genuine questions. I like how you said
4:22:27brutal brutal rebuke. Much love.
4:22:31>> Well, notice you didn't say baby
4:22:32Christian. That that's completely
4:22:34forgivable for a baby Christian. And
4:22:35it's it's completely just just so you
4:22:37know, it's it's pretty darn common among
4:22:39Christians to think, "Hey, these guys
4:22:41are being jerks. You're not supposed to
4:22:43be a jerk."
4:22:44>> Um.
4:22:45>> Yep.
4:22:47So, hope hopefully we gave that good
4:22:49clarification for you, brother. Um, it
4:22:51said it seemed like you uh received it
4:22:52and and it made sense. So yeah, brutal
4:22:55[clears throat]
4:22:56brutal rebuke especially for the hotty
4:22:59and the arrogant ones that we speak to,
4:23:01the ones who uh believe that they know
4:23:03things and aren't willing to learn and
4:23:05be humble. Got to be, you know, have to
4:23:08handle them with with tough love, not
4:23:10baby not baby gloves. All right. Well,
4:23:12that's it. David, thank you so much for
4:23:14hanging out with me this entire time,
4:23:16man. Thank you everybody to uh who who
4:23:18gifted the chat. I didn't get to get to
4:23:20all of y'all super chats, but man, you
4:23:22guys definitely blessed the ministry.
4:23:23Thank you so much. Um, and thank you
4:23:26guys for sticking around. We still got,
4:23:28you know, 3,300 people who just sat here
4:23:31here and just watched us just read super
4:23:32chats and just uh chat with you guys.
4:23:35So, thank you so much. Uh, David, you
4:23:37going live uh tomorrow or tonight? What
4:23:40what you doing?
4:23:41>> I might I I might have uh Anthony Rogers
4:23:44swinging by. Might do something. Haven't
4:23:47figured it out yet, but yet we'll see.
4:23:49Fun stuff and
4:23:52gonna be a fun Ramadan.
4:23:53>> Oh, it gonna be a good Ramadan.
4:23:55>> Best Ramadan ever.
4:23:58>> With with that being said, David, what's
4:24:00our favorite question, man?
4:24:02>> What's the angel, man?
4:24:04>> That's it.
4:24:06>> I messed that up. Wow, that's crazy.
4:24:08Here it is.
4:24:19>> [laughter]
4:24:19>> You messed up your own outro, man.
4:24:20>> I messed up my own outro. Look at that.
4:24:23All right. Bye, guys. See y'all later.
4:24:30[music]
4:24:34>> Oh my god. Logic. [music]
4:24:43>> [music]
4:24:51[music]
4:24:53>> Heat. Heat.
4:24:57[music]
4:25:02>> [music]

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