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0:00I got the closest person to the
0:02president.
0:04>> [music]
0:06>> What is your day-to-day
0:07responsibilities?
0:08>> Everything. I would say presidential
0:09requirements, which can be official,
0:11unofficial. So, we look after
0:13everything. Say for example, president
0:14wishes to speak to the prime minister.
0:16She will call us, tell us that she wants
0:18to speak to the prime minister. So,
0:19we'll call up their people. I will speak
0:21to the prime minister. He's there.
0:22Yellow. Then she speaks.
0:25>> Why is it not allowed to touch feet of a
0:27president or a prime minister or like
0:30shake hands?
0:30>> You don't know the intentions of the
0:31individual. For example, let me say, I
0:33don't like you. I come here. I greet
0:35your hand. I have something in my eye. I
0:36just have to press. Or I give you a
0:37slap. I will go in jail. That is the
0:39best. Kya hoga? But the image of the
0:41president is destroyed. How can you
0:42trust a person who's on the other side?
0:46>> Major Rishabh Singh Sambyal, ex-special
0:48forces officer and former ADC to the
0:50president of India. If you want to
0:52understand what life is really like
0:54inside India's special forces, what it
0:56means to be the closest officer to the
0:58president and the mindset it takes to
1:01operate on the front line, this episode
1:03is for you.
1:05>> What is the most useless or the tiniest
1:07thing that you care about?
1:09>> she will have water from.
1:10>> Why is that important?
1:11>> You don't know who has kept it there.
1:13You don't know something is on the glass
1:15or not.
1:15>> When you have these many securities,
1:17like what is the amount of area that you
1:18secure?
1:19>> Complete 1 km of area is sanitized.
1:21>> Then what do you mean by sanitized?
1:23>> Sanitized means no arms, [music]
1:25no metal, any sort of material.
1:31>> Do you train yourself to become more
1:33alert?
1:33>> Yes.
1:34>> How?
1:34>> So, during our probation, so you're
1:35roughly carrying around 80-70 kg on
1:37yourself. You're deprived of water,
1:39you're deprived of food, and you're
1:41deprived of sleep for 30-40 days. And
1:43then you are made to take a walk roughly
1:46around a kilometer in a circular route.
1:48While you're doing this, in between
1:50random places, there are things kept.
1:52Say for example, we keep this helmet
1:54behind a tree. And when that finishes,
1:56there's a test. What did [music] you
1:57observe? That is how we train ourselves.
2:00>> So, what in the room can be the most
2:02lethal weapons?
2:03>> Pen is the easiest weapon. You yourself,
2:05your hands are the lethal weapons. We
2:08been trained. There are specific points
2:10in your body with your just one pinch,
2:12you become incapable of movements. We
2:15can make you lie down.
2:18>> You have an incredible bond with our
2:20president. A lot of people say
2:21mother-son duo. You're like very close.
2:24>> The first time I met the president, it
2:27felt like my mother is standing in front
2:29of me. Since 2014, I've never lived with
2:31ma'am, mom. I always used to go back
2:33home for a couple of days, live with
2:35her, and then again, bye-bye for next
2:376-7 months, and then see her after 6
2:39months. But, this was the actual time
2:41when I was spending my entire 3 years
2:43with the president. The nature she has
2:46was very homely, and I just built a
2:48connection. And the warmth which she
2:50showed upon us, to me and to all the
2:52ADCs, it was wonderful. And it used to
2:54make me make me miss my mom.
2:56>> you have such a good bond, you're
2:57learning, you're young, why are you
2:59retiring?
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4:09What is worse that you've heard about
4:10yourself?
4:12Or you've seen?
4:15>> Seen though I saw what you mean. I have
4:16seen like I've been with a
4:19I have a family which they know there
4:21are a lot of rumors that I'm married. I
4:23have multiple wives, I have multiple
4:26relationships. That's how they portray
4:28and destroy the image. Then there are
4:30multiple cases of cheating and fraud on
4:32me.
4:34Are you [snorts] serious?
4:35>> [clears throat]
4:38[laughter]
4:38>> You get a police verification here
4:40something here.
4:42But it's still there.
4:43So I don't have anything but people will
4:45talk. What affects me or what bothers me
4:48is when my family gets affected. Or it's
4:50it's a natural thing. Because of them I
4:53am at a
4:54at the stage to take care of them. Now
4:56I'm trying to do something good for
4:58people.
5:03You ever thought of doing it? Just do
5:05it.
5:06Be happy.
5:10But I don't know why some people are
5:13Or why are they doing this?
5:15So the only thing that bothers me is I
5:17don't personally I would say I don't
5:19care what people think of me. I'm just
5:21here to express my views and opinions.
5:23In a free world I can do that. And I
5:25want to help people with along with me.
5:27If I grow up, grow up along with me.
5:29I'll pull you. I'll be with you.
5:31But just do not go and affect where it
5:34affects is the family. So now Uh you've
5:37seen a lot of movies now target family
5:41So I would say situation I can imagine
5:42that
5:43it wasn't true.
5:44The truth. Like somebody now start
5:46targeting your family, you are not
5:48mentally right, normal. You can't
5:50actually think and work. You always
5:52worried in the back of your head are you
5:53and your mom and dad.
5:54>> What is mom thinking? What is dad
5:55thinking? They're aging also, so they
5:57might not even
5:58be able to distinguish between true and
6:00false.
6:01>> And I don't want to give them stress in
6:03this situation. I don't want them to
6:05have stress or thoughts. So my mom tell
6:07she got a picture of me while I was in
6:09Rashtrapati Bhavan. She got a somehow
6:11somewhere somebody sent her she got a
6:12picture of me with a a girl carrying a
6:14baby in her hand and mera hath aise hai.
6:19I like to me you come here. My mom sent
6:20this to me. I'm with the president.
6:22So I'm I'm like my facial expression
6:25changed now to ma'am ne bola kya hua? So
6:27ma'am ko dikhaya ke tumne ye kab kiya?
6:29>> [laughter]
6:29>> I said ma'am come on.
6:32I'm also thinking maine kab kiya?
6:34>> [laughter]
6:36>> So but that's on a fun like lighter
6:39note. But I am actually asking about
6:41what disturbs me like this thing. I
6:44don't want to give them stress. That's
6:45it.
6:47>> So aisa bhi ho raha hai. It's a it's a
6:48lot of things. Like I
6:50>> When people say all of these things that
6:52you have you have cheated, you have
6:54frauded, you have cases going on, don't
6:56they think that the position you are in
6:59the forces and agencies must have
7:02scrutinized and checked everything?
7:04>> They don't they lack this.
7:06That is what I said. And people who
7:08believe it lack this.
7:10>> How how is it possible?
7:12You're serving the president.
7:14You're the closest person to the
7:17president.
7:17>> Yes.
7:18>> Of
7:19the largest democracy in the world.
7:21>> yes.
7:22>> And it's a democracy, right? So
7:25if you are
7:27if you are in a room where the most VIPs
7:29of the VIPs of the world can't enter
7:31>> Yeah.
7:32>> and you are there.
7:34>> Was I just sent there?
7:35>> Like [laughter] were you were you sent
7:37there?
7:37>> [gasps]
7:38>> How do we believe believe?
7:39>> So log dal rahe hain that is another
7:41thing but look believe rahe hain and
7:42then questioning.
7:44Wow, I mean like seriously wow.
7:46>> You must be going through such
7:48background verification and check which
7:49is insane. Tell me
7:51what is ADC?
7:53>> Yeah, aid
7:54>> What is this position? The only thing we
7:55know the only thing we know that
7:58you are the person who is right next to
8:01president all the time.
8:03But you are not a you are not the
8:05president's security. You are not
8:07you are not a manager. I don't know what
8:09you are like you the name is ADC. What
8:11is it?
8:11>> ADC stands for aide-de-camp. It's a
8:14French
8:15terminology. It was a French origin. It
8:17It has its origins from the France. I
8:19would say are the senior people.
8:23So they can't handle or manage
8:25everything on their own.
8:26>> Okay.
8:26>> Like for example, if I would have to
8:28explain you are sitting here, but you
8:30can't just come and talk to me.
8:32I want to talk to you. Come on my You
8:34would know that because you have other
8:35stuff to look after and there's a lot of
8:37things going on in your life. Sitting at
8:39big position.
8:40>> Yeah.
8:41So you tell your closest who's a
8:43responsible guy.
8:44>> Yes.
8:44>> He you got to do it.
8:46>> Get this done.
8:47>> Get this done. So then he functions. He
8:49tells
8:50He divides the work. Media go on with
8:52that. Contact to go there. And there are
8:54teams
8:55>> Yeah.
8:55>> Similarly, I'm that man for the
8:57president who like if she has to get
8:59things done.
9:01We get the orders. We are the execution
9:03part.
9:04>> Mhm.
9:05>> We are not the planning part.
9:06>> Got it.
9:07>> Planning may I am holding it. We are a
9:08part of planning, but the execution part
9:10is solely our responsibility.
9:12>> So is it like
9:13in loose terms would it be like you are
9:15like chief of staff?
9:16>> Yes.
9:17>> You are COS for the president. Is that
9:19>> Yes.
9:19>> closest?
9:20>> Yes.
9:21>> Interesting. What is your day-to-day
9:22responsibilities? What do you do?
9:24>> Everything.
9:26President
9:28her
9:29I would say presidential requirements
9:31which can be official
9:33and official.
9:34Personal
9:36>> Professional.
9:36>> Professional or professional, you know?
9:38So we look after everything.
9:40>> or professional, you know? So, we look
9:41after
9:43Let's say president wants key I want to
9:44buy uh something. Say, for example, a a
9:47helmet. I want to buy a helmet.
9:50She can't go out in the market and buy,
9:51right? This is I'm talking about the
9:53personal stuff.
9:53>> Yeah. Yeah.
9:54>> So, she tells the key uh
9:56I have this requirement. So, we then
10:00you know, like speak to the agencies
10:01involved, different teams. We We know
10:04the requirement. She just have to tell
10:05helmet. We know the color preference.
10:07Kesa rahega design what Itna jante hum
10:09president ko. I know what she's thinking
10:11in her head.
10:12She just have to say it once. Ye sare
10:14ADCs ke sath [clears throat] hai. That
10:15is the trust and the, you know, like so
10:18close we are. We know how she thinks and
10:21how she will react. So, if she says
10:22helmet, I know achha
10:24choice dene ke liye to I will get three,
10:26four colors, but I know which color
10:27she'll like, what design she'll like.
10:29So, I'll activate people ahead.
10:31You will do this. You go to the market.
10:32You get the samples. You get the bills.
10:34We get everything. We show it to the
10:36president. She selects this is on the
10:38personal side. On the professional side,
10:40she has to work. She has to speak to
10:42someone. Say, for example, president
10:43wishes to speak to the prime minister.
10:45She can't directly pick up her own phone
10:46start talking to the prime minister. She
10:48will call us.
10:49Tell us that she wants to speak to the
10:51prime minister. We directly can't call
10:53the prime minister. So, we'll call up
10:54their people. Their people will get the
10:56prime minister online. I will speak to
10:57the prime minister now because the
10:59president is the senior most in the
11:00nation, in the country.
11:02So, like president, vice president,
11:04prime minister.
11:06If she has to speak to the prime
11:07minister or anyone I would say in the
11:08country, I will get as an ADC, I will
11:11get the other person, dignitary online.
11:14Confirm that the other person is online.
11:16Put him on hold and then tell the
11:17president that now you wanted this. He's
11:19there. Yellow.
11:21Then she speaks.
11:22And if anything has to come to her, it
11:25cannot go directly to her from anywhere
11:26in the country. It has to come to the
11:28ADC on duty. But, for the post she hold
11:31>> Of course.
11:32>> For the designation she's holding,
11:34Republic of India. President is always a
11:36senior most.
11:37>> And what are the other responsibilities?
11:39Let's say this is you making sure that
11:41whatever the president needs you get it
11:43done.
11:43>> Yes.
11:44>> Right.
11:44>> Execution of work.
11:47Uh the protocols related to the
11:49president.
11:50>> What do you mean by protocol?
11:51>> Protocols is uh you know, there's a set
11:53procedure how an event, for example,
11:56let's talk about an event or a ceremony
11:58or anything. Wherever the president
11:59goes, let me say the president steps out
12:02of her bedroom in official capacity. She
12:04steps out. Wherever she'll go,
12:07how she will go,
12:09what will happen while she's going,
12:11when she reaches there what will happen,
12:13who will meet her, who will not meet
12:14her, when she addresses people,
12:16what surroundings
12:19cla- like we need to clear the
12:20surroundings. There have to be set off
12:22no mistakes regarding the
12:24PA system, regarding the electric-
12:26everything you can think of.
12:28Steps. Will there be carpeted? Will it
12:31be carpeted? Will it not be? You have an
12:33umbrella if there's a rain contingency
12:35forecast may have.
12:36So we prepare into each and everything.
12:38Pani, khana, rehna, uthna, baithna, gadi
12:42konsi hogi, gadi mein ma'am kahan
12:43baithenge. So we have to ensure that
12:46when the president gets down from the
12:47helicopter or the aircraft and sits in
12:49the car,
12:50that
12:51is not there.
12:54Because we are trying to remove certain
12:55things out of the system. It's it's not
12:57easy in the country, especially towards
13:00uh you know, towards the backward areas.
13:03Wahan pe abhi bhi ye sab hai.
13:05So we go into detail of which glass she
13:08will use.
13:10Is the glass safe?
13:12Is anything involved or mixed for the
13:13president?
13:14Is whatever she's eating has to be
13:16checked and verified and confirmation
13:18comes to us. Although the responsibility
13:21of eating and drinking of the president
13:23is the comptroller of the household.
13:25He checks it. He gives us a all okay.
13:28Because in the end everything, if
13:30anything goes wrong,
13:33the blame is on us. It's our response.
13:35Anything.
13:36Chalte chalte slip over here.
13:38Barish may be gay. President be gay.
13:40She's a president. She at least she
13:41needs to be covered. It's her She's
13:44given with the you know like the
13:46Republic has given her these privileges.
13:47We need to ensure it. Because on a
13:49global front when she goes, she we have
13:51to come up as a big nation. So it starts
13:53domestically, then it goes
13:54internationally. So same thing happens
13:56when we go on a foreign tour.
13:58Everything, who can come close.
14:00Now people in a you know like in the
14:02country there's a welcoming tradition of
14:04food all right.
14:05You can't put 100 flowers on the
14:07president.
14:09Not everyone can come close. You don't
14:11know the intentions.
14:12There's a lot many times the president
14:13has got down while the car is moving.
14:15But you don't know what you want to do.
14:17But you don't know what you want to do.
14:18Because you can't check into anything.
14:22So what happened? Kidney police force
14:24come over here. Security
14:26Although the security aspects with the
14:29state government
14:30and the police and the security
14:32agencies, we are not responsible for
14:34that. But yes, we have to be aware of.
14:37So you can you can imagine every step
14:40taken by the president is decided
14:42and responsibility of any
14:43>> Tell me one or two responsibilities
14:46which are like
14:47which we don't even know about, which is
14:49invisible, which is difficult or more
14:52than most
14:53difficult part of this job that you do.
14:58Which we have no clue about.
14:59>> I think
15:01in easier terms if I would have to
15:02explain this is
15:04the liaisoning part which we do is the
15:06most difficult one. So now India is a
15:09It's not a homogeneous country. It's a
15:11heterogeneous. You find different
15:13communities, tribes, languages, and
15:15bring all of them on one similar line is
15:18the biggest responsibility because
15:21Come here.
15:22There are There have been certain
15:23instances where people don't understand.
15:25They don't understand the language
15:26itself, English. They don't understand.
15:28Then you find someone who can make them
15:30explain in their language and you know,
15:32getting the reassurances. Well, it's not
15:35so I've told that the president will
15:38walk and have a photograph first. For
15:40example, she will get down the vehicle,
15:42walk and have a photograph first.
15:44I've told it.
15:45Will it be done? I have to get it
15:47assurances from him. So we get them do
15:49the rehearsal, send the video to us.
15:52Finally, we approve it. Now, it has to
15:53be done like this because on the final
15:55day if they do a mistake, we don't want
15:57the president to stand like awkwardness
15:58in a in a awkward situation.
16:04We can't do that.
16:05It'll be a shame on us.
16:07So to
16:08let that thing not happen,
16:10we get the rehearsals done. We get the
16:13verification. So the difficult part is
16:15liaisoning with the people.
16:17>> Like making so many different people of
16:21different languages understand what you
16:22want and what they want.
16:24>> And also their dignity is not hurt. You
16:27have to be sometimes rude
16:28because people take it leniently. You
16:30have to be very polite to someone. There
16:32are elder people, senior people. You
16:34can't just directly tell them to do
16:35this. So
16:38remaining in the boundaries, you have to
16:40get things done. And only on a phone
16:42call because we are not going there and
16:43doing it. We are sitting in Delhi.
16:46If the president has to go say for
16:47example East or South or anywhere in the
16:49country, but
16:51we are linked on a phone call.
16:53Everything is happening on a phone call.
16:56So that is the most so the most
16:57difficult part in the entire
17:00a day is the tour.
17:02Even if it's a domestic or a
17:04international tour. It's the most hectic
17:06job.
17:06>> Why?
17:08>> You are so
17:10in a day president at least has like
17:13there are three events scheduled for the
17:14president. Every day.
17:16On tour.
17:17>> Okay.
17:17>> On tour. When she is on tour out of
17:19Delhi [snorts] anywhere in the country,
17:20minimum three events she attends.
17:23>> Mhm.
17:23>> Three events car the moment she gets
17:26down from the car and the moment she
17:28gets back into the car after the event,
17:30everything has to be planned.
17:33How it will happen.
17:34>> Like
17:35>> want ruckus when the president is
17:37sitting on dais. We don't want people to
17:39start anti you know, like slogans
17:42against the something.
17:43>> Mhm.
17:43>> We don't want that. Anything can go
17:45wrong. So, we have to be prepared for
17:47any and each and everything. So, the
17:48moment she gets down from the vehicle
17:50and the moment she
17:52she as in like the president of India
17:53gets back into the car, everything is
17:56the responsibility of the ADC.
18:00>> And when they get out of the car
18:02>> Yep.
18:03>> Mhm.
18:04>> [clears throat]
18:04>> What's difficult about it?
18:06The because there's so many moving parts
18:08and security lapse is a difficult part.
18:10>> Security lapse is not the difficult
18:11part, but the movement around the
18:14president. Now, everyone wants to meet
18:16the president.
18:16>> Wow.
18:16>> Anyone can do anything.
18:18>> Anyone can do anything because you can't
18:19control the emotional outflow or burst
18:21of the people, outburst of the people.
18:23I've seen people the moment you know,
18:26like the president in the car I've told,
18:27"Okay, don't do this. Don't do this. We
18:29only do this. When she comes out, you
18:31can just greet her." But when the moment
18:33she comes out, she she they see the
18:35president of India, they just go down
18:37towards her feet.
18:38Or maybe
18:39>> Mhm.
18:40>> They do out of exuberance.
18:41>> It's an emotional outburst of humans.
18:43You can't control that. That is the most
18:45difficult part. You can't be Now, I
18:47can't pull the person in front of her
18:50because everything is live recorded. I'm
18:51being telecasted. So, then they'll say
18:53ADCs are the worst humans. They do this
18:55thing to people.
18:55>> Yeah.
18:56>> So, that is the most challenging part to
18:58not hurt someone
19:00>> And yet
19:01>> but to control everything.
19:03>> And why
19:05why is it not allowed to touch feet of a
19:07president or a prime minister or like
19:09shake hands?
19:10>> You don't know the intentions of the
19:12individual.
19:13Okay, for example, if I
19:15if I don't like something.
19:17>> Mhm.
19:17>> Say for example, it's just an example. I
19:19don't like something. I don't like for
19:21example, let me say I don't like you.
19:22>> Yeah, okay.
19:23>> I come here, I greet your hand. I have
19:25something in my hand, just have to
19:26press.
19:27Or I give you a slap.
19:29Police I I will go in jail. That is the
19:31best.
19:32Case ho jayega. But the image of the
19:34president is destroyed.
19:36How can you trust a person who's on the
19:38other side? You can't trust.
19:41I know they want to do it, but you can't
19:43trust. You're not 100% sure.
19:45>> And you don't know out of that millions
19:46of people who's that one person.
19:48>> one, huh? They'll not be Everyone will
19:49not do it, but they'll be only one human
19:51who will do it, and your everything is
19:53shattered.
19:54Your image, your work ethics, everything
19:57is gone.
19:58One individual who had a mind
20:01rogue
20:03rogue mind.
20:04Ab mujhe ye karna on a national TV.
20:07>> And there they can be some psychopaths.
20:09>> Psychopaths.
20:10>> Yes, or someone who's politically driven
20:12from some
20:12>> Any reason.
20:13>> Other nation, other country, other
20:15forces, yeah.
20:16>> Yeah, you can't decipher the reason.
20:18You can't identify the person who has a
20:19reason.
20:20So, the best way is to stop doing that.
20:23Then people feel bad ki we stop it, but
20:26it's for a reason.
20:27>> Do you look at everyone with a lens of
20:30>> Yes.
20:31>> distrust?
20:32>> Yes, we have to.
20:33>> Like everyone is a bad person.
20:36>> Other than the people see government
20:38officials
20:40and the senior people, but as a like
20:43whom I don't know personally, we look at
20:45the same way. Every human we look at the
20:47same way. Even if when you come for the
20:49president, we will brief you, and I will
20:51be standing when you meet the president.
20:53>> Mhm.
20:53>> So that suddenly you don't like come out
20:55of emotion up oh, I want to do this now.
20:58Everyone is recording me. I'm on the
21:00national TV. I'll do something.
21:01>> No, just for that one moment.
21:03>> Just for one moment.
21:04>> A lot of people would be like that.
21:06>> Anyone can do that. I can't trust
21:07anyone. Nobody You can't trust a human
21:10emotional outburst or their mindset.
21:13You know, what the psychopath is just
21:14psychopath that you just mentioned. So,
21:16we look at everyone with the same eyes.
21:19That anything can go wrong. We are
21:20always prepared that it will go wrong.
21:22Yeah. So, we work accordingly so that
21:24nothing goes wrong when the president is
21:26out. She is not uncomfortable. The
21:28president of India is not uncomfortable
21:30and the image of the president of India
21:31is guarded.
21:33>> What is the most
21:35useless or the tiniest thing that you
21:37care about?
21:38>> The glass.
21:39She will have water from.
21:41>> Why? Why Why is that important? Any
21:44glass she can have water if it's clean,
21:45it's great.
21:46>> You don't know who has kept it there.
21:48You don't know something is on the glass
21:50or not.
21:51>> And how do you test that?
21:53>> The security does that.
21:54>> Like they will drink from every Like how
21:56do How do they do
21:57>> it's cleaned,
21:58checked, kept there, and the room is
22:00closed.
22:01>> Who checked like
22:02>> The police. It's the security agencies.
22:04It is their responsibility.
22:05>> Everything.
22:06>> Do they eat everything before they taste
22:09everything before it reaches the
22:10president?
22:12>> There's a security procedure in eating
22:14also. What meals will be included, what
22:17in the meals, what's
22:18you know, like the spices they will be
22:20using, whatever it's being prepared for
22:22the president. It's There's a
22:24responsibility of someone who checks it
22:27and then gives an okay here now it's
22:29okay. She's good to have it. It might so
22:32happen that you know, she's allergic to
22:33some food.
22:35Might so happen.
22:36So, they will test it in one hour
22:39before.
22:39>> But there must be one person traveling
22:40with her all the time to prepare the
22:42meals, right?
22:43>> she has a cook. Yes. So, there's a
22:44particular choice of meal they have. So,
22:47everywhere if like wherever it is not
22:49available, the cooks of the travel
22:52along, the staff.
22:54>> Do they eat from other places as well or
22:56do they only
22:57>> They
22:58eat from other places like on a in a
22:59banquet.
23:01>> They will eat.
23:01>> They will eat.
23:02>> It's not like only one person can be
23:04>> which is prepared for the president is
23:06categorically like made for the
23:08president.
23:09>> Mhm. Even in a banquet.
23:10>> Even in a banquet. We send our chef in
23:12advance.
23:12>> So the one chef only would do
23:14everything, right?
23:15>> The The cooks are doing it. The chef of
23:17the president goes there and tells ki
23:19acha I do this, do that, don't do that.
23:21>> Okay.
23:21>> It might affect her. You don't want to
23:24make the president uncomfortable. It's
23:26their responsibility.
23:28So that is how it works.
23:28>> Okay, coming back. So in today you said
23:31touching feet, shaking hands not
23:33allowed. Then you also said not
23:34everybody is allowed to meet the
23:36president.
23:37>> Yes, of course.
23:38>> So who all are allowed to go
23:41to the cabin of president?
23:43>> So
23:44>> [clears throat]
23:44>> the president meets, the appointments
23:46are conducted in a different room.
23:49Anyone in the country can request to
23:51meet the president. The request is sent
23:54on an official email ID.
23:56The staff of the honorable president
23:57vets it out.
23:59And then discusses it with the
24:01president.
24:02So
24:03if for example you want to meet the
24:05president, your email will also be taken
24:07and I'm not this person wants to meet
24:09you. For what reason? This is the
24:10reason. Because now it's a big country,
24:12there are
24:14a lot of people in the country. You
24:16cannot meet everyone. It's her personal
24:18time also. She's working also. So she
24:22segregates and filters are put in place.
24:25What is important? If there's a reason
24:28we give priority to them. When she is
24:31free, if we have she has time, so people
24:34without reason she won't they want to
24:35meet and discuss something, then the
24:37time is given.
24:38So that is how the appointments are
24:41done.
24:42It's It's filtered. The permissions are
24:44taken by the president after discussing
24:47discussing within the staff of the
24:50president.
24:50>> Yes.
24:51>> But can with that all of this would be
24:54must be happening in an appointment
24:55room, right? Not in her private cabin.
24:57>> Yes, there's an appointment room.
24:58>> In the private cabin, are people
25:00allowed?
25:01>> Yes, the staff of the president.
25:03>> Okay, only the staff.
25:04>> Only the staff. And yes, only the staff.
25:07>> Or the prime minister and all of these
25:09people they
25:09>> and they come and meet. Yes, of course.
25:12>> And how does like the president goes and
25:14meets
25:15the prime minister, the home minister,
25:17the defense ministers or they come and
25:18meet?
25:20>> Mostly they come and meet.
25:22But in an event when we when the
25:25president is conducted to an event which
25:27is, you know, if it is organized by a
25:29defense ministry or something is related
25:31to the defense and defense minister is
25:33there, so they meet there.
25:35>> Interesting.
25:35>> But if for example, in an official
25:38capacity if the defense minister has to
25:40meet the honorable president, the
25:41defense minister will come to
25:42Rashtrapati Bhavan and meet the
25:44honorable president. That is how it
25:45happens.
25:46>> And what's the difference between a
25:48prime minister's security and a
25:49president's security?
25:51>> So, the president is the state head.
25:52>> Mhm.
25:54>> The responsibility of the security of
25:56the president, the physical
25:58responsibility lies within the state.
26:00>> Mhm.
26:01>> And by state I mean police.
26:03>> Mhm.
26:03>> Because police is the for the Republic
26:06of Union of India.
26:07>> Okay.
26:07>> In the constitution, the police comes
26:09under the Union of India. So, the
26:11security lies between the police
26:12services
26:13>> Okay.
26:14>> of the president. The prime minister
26:16also
26:18security is provided by the police
26:19services, but they have a specialized
26:21team of SPG.
26:22>> Mhm.
26:23>> You might have seen uh
26:25people around the president.
26:26>> SPG around the
26:27>> around the prime minister. They don't
26:28run SPG. So, the responsibility of
26:30security of the prime minister is with
26:32the SPG.
26:33And the
26:34security responsibility of the president
26:36is with the police.
26:37>> Okay. So, no security from the army.
26:39>> No security from
26:40>> They all have independent agencies under
26:42the police.
26:42>> Under the police, yes.
26:44>> Okay. So, and who would
26:44>> Uh SPG does not fall under police, but
26:47the personnel who are in SPG, they are
26:50from the police services.
26:51>> Okay. So, the people who are being hired
26:55as
26:56these security heads or people who are
26:59around the Prime Minister, they they all
27:00come from police background, not from
27:02army background.
27:02>> Not from army background, no.
27:03>> Interesting. And even from the
27:05president, it will be same.
27:06>> Oh, yes.
27:07>> Don't we hear this that Black Cat
27:08Commandos, they join, you know, security
27:11or secure SF will secure of VIP
27:15professional people.
27:16>> The responsibility of VIP security is
27:18not with the Para SF. But, yes, if the
27:20VIP travels to a place, say for example,
27:23if the president travels to Srinagar,
27:26>> [snorts]
27:26>> the responsibility will be with the
27:29police. But, the Para with SF or any
27:32army organization or unit will be there
27:36because it's an active counter-terrorist
27:38terrorism area. So, the army will always
27:41be there and the assets of the army will
27:43be used.
27:44It's an additional layer of security
27:46which is provided. The job of army is
27:48not to protect the VVIPs.
27:50>> Interesting. So, nobody from army or
27:53let's say nobody from Para SF or NSG
27:55will be in a normal event in Delhi
27:58protecting the Prime Minister.
27:59>> See,
28:00NSG comes under the charter of
28:03security, VVIP security. It doesn't
28:06comes [clears throat] under NSG does not
28:08come under Ministry of Defense.
28:10>> Okay.
28:11>> It comes under Ministry of Home Affairs.
28:13>> Okay. Oh, so there's a
28:15there's a lot of mix and twist. Okay.
28:18And Para [clears throat] SF is army. So,
28:20Para SF doesn't
28:21>> Para SF is primarily
28:23for cross-border and to control the ta-
28:27>> And for surgical operations and small
28:29specialized operations.
28:30>> Cross-border specialized operation
28:31cross-border or internal.
28:33>> They're not security people.
28:34>> They're not security people. We don't
28:35provide security to anyone. We provide
28:37security to the country.
28:38>> And there's
28:41So, the difference between the Prime
28:43Minister and President security will
28:44only be SPG versus police.
28:46>> Yes, of course.
28:47>> That's
28:48all.
28:48>> And everything else, the protocol would
28:50be same? The number of people, the
28:52number of
28:52>> Yes. Yes. It the protocols remain same
28:55for the VVIPs, for the important
28:57dignitaries of the government of India.
28:59Now, the with the hierarchy, the one who
29:02is senior gets the first
29:05preference is given to the first senior.
29:06Say for example, in an event where the
29:08president of India
29:10uh the prime vice president and the
29:11prime minister are there. So, the first
29:13senior most is the president, of course.
29:15So, the preference of protocols starts
29:18from the president and the vice
29:20president and the prime minister, but it
29:21is given to all three.
29:22>> Of course.
29:23>> Simultaneously, at the same time. Say
29:25the best event is the Republic Day
29:27parade.
29:27>> Mhm.
29:28>> So, as you would see, the last person to
29:30come on the parade is the president of
29:32India.
29:32>> Mhm.
29:33>> When the president of India is at the
29:35dais, she reaches and she's at the dais,
29:36the parade starts. That is the seniority
29:39she holds.
29:39>> Mhm.
29:40And
29:42This is just fascinating. How many
29:44people are there? 50, 100, 20, 10?
29:47>> Depends. Again, I would say if the
29:49president is stepping outside in Delhi,
29:52uh and if the threat assessment is done,
29:54if there is any threat assessment by the
29:56security agencies, the security force
29:59provided is increased.
30:01If there is uh you know, like no
30:03security threat
30:04which has been assessed by the security
30:06agencies,
30:07the normal security will be there.
30:09Normal uh is still more than 100.
30:12>> 100 to 100 people?
30:13>> The entire area has to be sanitized,
30:15cleaned, so that when the president
30:17comes there or the prime minister or
30:19anyone as a senior dignitary from the
30:21government of India comes there, they do
30:23not have to care about that.
30:24>> Mhm.
30:25>> The execution of the work is done
30:26seamlessly. That is the main
30:28responsibility.
30:29>> least there'll be 100 people even in the
30:31low threat area.
30:32>> 100 or approximate 100.
30:33>> And in the highest security area,
30:35probably there'll be
30:36>> Depends upon the
30:37uh assessment and the nature of event.
30:40>> It can go up more as well. And
30:43when you have these many securities,
30:45like what is the amount of area, what is
30:47the range that you secure, the minimum?
30:50>> I would say as per my experience,
30:53complete 1 km of area is sanitized.
30:56>> And what do you mean by sanitized?
30:57>> Sanitized mean no
31:00arms, no metal,
31:02any sort of material
31:03>> And you would know who's in, who's out,
31:05like
31:05>> people are responsible for that.
31:07>> So they will test each and everything.
31:10>> Yes. Like for example, the Republic Day
31:12parade, the entire Delhi
31:14which is New Delhi NDMC area is
31:16sanitized completely.
31:17>> [snorts]
31:18>> Any personnel who is human, who is
31:21entering the parade to watch it as a
31:23citizen, as a normal Indian, is checked
31:26at multiple levels so that we are sure
31:29that nobody creates there because now
31:31it's a big national event.
31:32>> Yeah.
31:33>> And nothing can go wrong. So the
31:35detailing part is so deep that it it
31:38could it takes a lot of days to prepare
31:40prepare and plan for it. The execution
31:41part is the most difficult.
31:44>> And [snorts] it's
31:45so
31:47when
31:48when there's a threat,
31:50what do you do? You cancel the entire
31:51event then?
31:53>> There are different protocols for that.
31:55>> It's in case
31:57>> Yes.
31:57>> Big because that would be even a
32:01even a slight threat,
32:03a joke,
32:04>> If it is
32:05>> to take it seriously.
32:05>> Yeah, if it is prior to the event, we
32:07cancel it.
32:09Depends upon the level of threat. The
32:11assessment is done by the security
32:12agencies. They are completely
32:13responsible for that. But yes, if like
32:16if there is a threat,
32:18we will not do it.
32:19>> But do you listen to the president or
32:21the prime minister, let's say,
32:23when you tell the president that,
32:26"Ma'am, we have gotten this threat
32:27perception. There might be some problem.
32:29We don't know. We are not sure, but the
32:31public event we should avoid."
32:33And madam says, "No, I still want to
32:34go." Do you listen to her or no?
32:36>> Yeah, we listen to her.
32:37And you'd still go?
32:38>> No, so then there's a
32:41it's a it's a it's a discussion which
32:43happens. The president is briefed
32:45accordingly. The recommendation and
32:48suggestions from different agencies are
32:50given and then a conclu- decision is you
32:53know like concluded. We come on to a one
32:55conclusion. It's not necessarily if the
32:57president wishes to but there's a threat
32:59then why will the president go? Because
33:01there's a threat.
33:02But depends upon the nature and
33:03requirement and the uh recommendations
33:05from all agencies. The one decision is
33:07finally taken.
33:09>> And it's It can be anything. Who
33:11overrules this?
33:12The president's last decision has to be
33:14the president.
33:14>> The last decision is with the president.
33:15If it's a presidential event, the last
33:16decision is with the president.
33:17>> Okay. But then it's not like some agency
33:19would be like, "No, ma'am. I can't allow
33:20you to go there. You can't go."
33:22>> They say that.
33:23So they say that because it is their
33:25responsibility.
33:26The president of India would want to do
33:29that event.
33:29>> Yeah.
33:31>> But they can't let that happen because
33:32they are aware key if something goes
33:34wrong it is their responsibility. They
33:35will always pitch in this thing and the
33:37president also respects
33:39>> them. And they've canceled events like
33:40that.
33:40>> that is their expertise. They are the
33:42best person available in that. If the
33:44president if they tell the president
33:45that, "Ma'am, you should not do it
33:46because this is the reason." She will
33:48say maybe postpone it, plan it some
33:50other day or whenever it's clear and
33:52safe. Because we don't want to be in a
33:54situation where now we are pulling out
33:57the president or something is happening
33:58which destroys our image as a nation.
34:01>> So let's say this is a big thing. Okay,
34:03this is
34:05coming canceling an event or threat
34:07perception is a big thing.
34:09Sometime let's say something small
34:10happens. Whose job is in trouble? Let's
34:12say the chair was put late or the water
34:15didn't reach on time or the carpet like
34:18she slipped. You don't know. Like there
34:20are like small things which you were
34:21talking about.
34:21>> Understand. Understand. So if there any
34:23mistake has happened
34:25so
34:26we inform the concerned people. There's
34:29a committee held. The guilty people or
34:32the mistake by whosoever it has done, it
34:34is brought to notice. If it's of grave
34:37mistake, but we don't punish people for
34:39not keeping glass
34:40of water. There's no punishment for
34:42that. Maybe we'll tell them don't repeat
34:43it again because it's just a glass of
34:45water. It can be replaced any day.
34:46There's no punishment for not keeping
34:47the glass of water. But yes, we need to
34:49find it out because it should not happen
34:51on a repetitive
34:53uh base.
34:54>> Okay.
34:55>> Every event should not be happening.
34:56>> But as an ADC, that's your main job.
34:58>> Yes.
34:58>> It's your job to make sure that
35:00President's life is easy and you can't
35:01mess up. So, is your job in trouble if
35:03you do this?
35:04>> Yes.
35:05That is why we do it. We get hold of all
35:08the people who are responsible
35:10for these things, who are involved in
35:12the you know, like in
35:15in the availability of a water glass
35:18or a glass of water for the President.
35:19We are responsible. We get hold of the
35:21people. We ask "Kahan galti hui hai?"
35:23Like who is the main person who is
35:25responsible? And that it should not be
35:27repeated again. So, we alert all the
35:29agencies, city state government, central
35:31government agencies, whosoever is
35:32involved in that event that this was the
35:34mistake which had happened. It should be
35:35brought to everyone's notice and not
35:37repeated again in future.
35:38>> Do you have a checklist in your head or
35:40you have on a paper?
35:41>> Uh when I joined, when we join, you
35:44know, like as a newbie, newcomer, so
35:46there's a checklist. But as the time
35:49passes by, now it's in the back of my
35:50head.
35:51>> Mhm. How long is that checklist? How
35:52many things would be there in a
35:53checklist?
35:54>> Multiple pages.
35:55I like I I remember when I joined on the
35:58first day, I took over as an ADC, I was
36:00given a checklist.
36:01>> Mhm.
36:02>> So, the checklist was I think around 11,
36:0412 pages of checklist.
36:06>> 12 pages of checklist.
36:07>> Yes. It's a huge checklist.
36:08>> like hundreds of things.
36:10>> Yes.
36:11That is why you like with the passage of
36:13time, now you know it. Now I know it by
36:15heart. Oh.
36:16So, if I close my eyes and think of an
36:18event, what from the like I said,
36:21getting down and getting back in. I know
36:24each and every step the President of
36:26India will take and what should what
36:27could go wrong. So, we have the
36:29checklist for the same.
36:30>> Interesting. That's
36:33So, okay, when you do all of these
36:34things
36:35you have to be prepared, right? You have
36:38to become somebody who can manage these
36:40things. It's not very easy to do it.
36:43How do you become ADC?
36:45>> Okay, how do we become? So,
36:47>> Like how how do they decide that okay,
36:49this person we need to hire as an ADC?
36:51That's one of the most important jobs in
36:53the country.
36:55>> Yes.
36:56So, for this, uh you know,
36:59the army
37:00or the navy or the air force, any any
37:02service, they prepare or they shortlist
37:04the eligible officer. So, there's a
37:06criteria for an ADC. There's a
37:08particular service bracket, there's a
37:10particular age, and particular
37:12uh you know, appearance.
37:15Uh there are standards which are set.
37:17All those people who fall in those
37:19standards, there's a list of officers
37:20who are prepared, shortlisted officers.
37:23Then from those shortlisted officers,
37:25the army headquarters or the naval or
37:27the air force headquarters takes the
37:28interview.
37:29>> Mhm.
37:30>> Out of those
37:31>> What is the standard?
37:33>> Uh roughly around 30 people are
37:34shortlisted, 30 officers.
37:36>> But what is on what basis?
37:38>> It's on their career or how they have
37:40performed, their courses,
37:42and their physical standards, their
37:46ACRs, their confidential reports, their
37:49feedback
37:50in the environment, and their merit.
37:52>> Okay. Bunch of things combined.
37:54>> Bunch of things combined.
37:55>> holds the highest?
37:56>> There's no one. Everything is So, that
37:59is why it is shortlisted. Who falls in
38:01the criteria,
38:02the list of of people are prepared,
38:04officers are prepared.
38:05>> Okay, the 30 officers.
38:06>> Say, for example, 30. I think roughly
38:08around 20 to 30 officers are
38:10shortlisted. And then the
38:12particular service headquarters takes
38:14the interview.
38:15>> Tell me what did you what did they ask
38:17you? Example.
38:18>> Domestic issues,
38:19current affairs, domestic issues. Give
38:22me a situation, what would I do in this
38:23situation?
38:24>> But why is it important for you to know?
38:26You're just a manager, right?
38:27>> But I will handle things.
38:29I should be aware happening if the
38:31president if I'm with the president of
38:33India and she asked me a question.
38:35Cuz I'm the always I will always be with
38:37the president. If she says, "Oh, what's
38:38happening in
38:39Delhi?"
38:41What's the You should know.
38:42>> I should know.
38:44>> So, you need to be updated with all the
38:45current affairs in the world, in the
38:47country.
38:48>> Yes.
38:48>> So, that if she asks you anytime, you
38:50have to This is also part of your job.
38:52>> Part of the job.
38:53So, imagine the amount of preparedness
38:55we need to have every day when we put on
38:56a uniform and go in front of the
38:58president, we have to be prepared for
38:59the day. And what has happened in the
39:01past day because the moment we see or
39:02meet the president in the morning
39:05or whatever time of the day,
39:07whatever happened in the last moment
39:09when we last saw her or
39:12you know, like
39:13met her, whatever has happened in
39:15between that time, we need to be aware
39:16of.
39:17Is she aware? We don't know.
39:20Is she Will she ask? We don't know. But
39:22if she asks, if she wants to have that
39:24information, she should not be waiting
39:26for the information. That is a level of
39:28precision we need to have.
39:31So, after our working hours, the most of
39:33our time is spent on preparing for next
39:35day.
39:36You have to We sit together, all the ADC
39:39sit together while we have our food or
39:40have a cup of coffee in the evening. We
39:42watch news,
39:43open up internet, read. The best habit
39:46about the ADC is they read a lot.
39:48Whatever is happening globally,
39:49domestically, they read a lot and they
39:51they know each and every thing. They
39:52have to know. There's no other option.
39:54>> Because
39:55>> That is your job, man. You have to know
39:56that.
39:58>> So, now that you know about the world,
40:00okay. So, this is what is being checked
40:02in an interview.
40:03>> This is one part of the interview.
40:05>> And then
40:05>> are situations given, different
40:07situations can be given. Like, what if
40:10if you're traveling in a car and a car
40:12breaks?
40:12>> Mhm.
40:14>> Just normal. You don't have an expertise
40:16in that, but what would a normal human
40:18do? So, the interviewers, the people who
40:22are taking the interview, they have the
40:23parameters set, which is never
40:24disclosed. We can't tell them.
40:27But they have no key we can give them
40:29these situations. A normal human would
40:30react this. If that
40:33the person who we whom we are
40:35interviewing if the response are some
40:37somewhat similar to that,
40:39I mean, he or she can make it when the
40:42thing times go bad. So, out of those 30
40:45people, five are selected by the army at
40:47college.
40:48>> Uh based on interviews?
40:49>> Interviews.
40:50>> And situational
40:51>> Situational awareness, situations are
40:53given, answers, replies, the multiple
40:55checks [clears throat] and balances
40:56done. So, five of them selected, and
40:59then those five officers are brought to
41:01Delhi.
41:01>> Mhm.
41:02>> Now, they spend roughly around 14 days
41:05in Rashtrapati Bhavan, and for 14 days
41:07their interviews are conducted.
41:09>> 14 days interviews every day?
41:11>> Every day.
41:12>> What are these interviews?
41:13>> The interviews are taken by the
41:16officers in the presidential
41:18secretariat.
41:18>> So, but what are they trying to test?
41:20>> Everything. So, they know what can go
41:23wrong, what sort of requirement is in
41:25the job, like whatever I've told,
41:27knowledge, situational awareness,
41:30you know, like contingency planning,
41:32what would you do in a difficult
41:34situation. So, all these things are
41:36assessed. And by meeting a person just
41:40like once, you can't assess whether it
41:42will do because everyone is prepared,
41:44coming prepared.
41:45You know, you need to know the natural
41:47instinct of a human being.
41:49With one meeting, you can't find it out.
41:51So, there are multiple checks and
41:53balances. When the interviews goes on,
41:55it goes on for hours and hours. Like the
41:57long I remember when my interview was
41:59going on,
42:00one of the interviews, one of the senior
42:02officers took my interview, and it went
42:03on for 2 and 1/2 hours. I was just
42:05sitting and answering the questions,
42:06situations he's giving me, ask questions
42:08he's asking me, and I'm answering that.
42:10I can't answer everything.
42:12In the end, I am also human. I can't
42:14remember everything because
42:16I'm not prepared for
42:17>> Yeah.
42:17>> all this. I've never done that.
42:19>> Mhm.
42:20>> But then yes, out of asking all these
42:22questions, he's trying to find out who I
42:24really am.
42:26Whether I will be able to take the
42:27responsibility of the job. They put
42:29pressure in the interviews. Do I Will I
42:32be able to handle that pressure?
42:34Yes or no? So, there are certain
42:36questions which we are prepared. We need
42:38to find these in a human. And when
42:40people come for an interview, they are
42:42prepared. They will show the best of
42:44their
42:44>> Mhm.
42:44>> side. But we want to know the negative
42:46side.
42:46>> Mhm.
42:47>> And then when the Because in difficult
42:49situations, when the contingency will
42:51arise, the negative things comes first.
42:53>> True.
42:54What was your negative thing?
42:56>> What was my negative thing?
42:58I think
42:59uh
43:02Negative thing I I don't think so. I
43:03found myself negative yet. There was a
43:05situation where I was not
43:08I I never used to read a lot.
43:09>> Mhm.
43:10>> Geopolitics was my negative thing.
43:11>> Okay.
43:12>> And now it is my positive thing.
43:13>> And that was [clears throat] your
43:14weakness. That is
43:15>> my weakness. Yes, of course.
43:16>> You were not aware about the current
43:18affairs.
43:19>> Or each and everything I was not aware
43:21because
43:22I've been serving in the army. I'm
43:24generally or most of the times I am out
43:26of network areas, away from the family,
43:29away from the phone, away from the
43:30internet. I'm not getting to know what
43:32is happening in the country. And when I
43:34come back in the network area, I want to
43:36relax, have a freshen up my mind,
43:38fulfill my family responsibilities, and
43:40then go back.
43:41>> Mhm.
43:41>> So, the prioritization of things in my
43:45life I just told you.
43:46Is sub me there was no place for Okay, I
43:49need to learn about what's happening in
43:51Say for example, Middle East.
43:52>> Mhm.
43:53>> That is not my immediate priority.
43:55>> True.
43:56>> So, that was my weakness. I didn't used
43:59to read a lot, but now I read a lot.
44:01>> Mhm.
44:01>> And what did they tell you then?
44:03If that was a weakness and you were not
44:05aware.
44:06>> They ask you. They find it out.
44:08>> Uh, and then they ask you.
44:09>> because now it is 14 days, so you on the
44:12first, second, third day you'll get I
44:14get to know that oh, I'm not able to
44:16answer these this part.
44:17>> So, you'll go study and
44:18>> I'll go study. I go back. In the night
44:20I'll open my internet, open my laptop,
44:23use the internet, read about things
44:24happening. And dhire dhire, over the
44:26next couple of days, they see the
44:29improvement. And they don't tell you
44:31that you need to improve this. Are you
44:32improving on your own? Are you taking
44:34the responsibility to improve yourself
44:36is what we're looking for.
44:38>> And they test that.
44:39>> They test that.
44:40And the tests are being done by
44:42different
44:43uh officers. The There are multiple
44:45organizations within the presidential
44:47secretariat. See, officers, everyone
44:49discusses it.
44:51Then
44:52uh we come down to a conclusion. So,
44:54there's only one vacancy.
44:57One ADC goes out and the other one comes
45:00in to relieve. So, when the 30
45:02shortlisted officers were interviewed,
45:04the vacancy was one.
45:06We have to select one individual. And
45:08that one has to be in such a mental
45:11state that he's able to adapt
45:14uh to the changing environment, changing
45:16surroundings, and he's able to take the
45:18responsibility of the presidential
45:20requirements.
45:22>> Do they try to break you down mentally
45:24by putting some pressure?
45:26>> Yes, of course.
45:26>> What? What do they do?
45:28>> Uh just give you a situation.
45:30At two and a half hours or for example,
45:33an hour long session we are having. I'm
45:35continuously asking questions.
45:37>> Mhm.
45:37>> I know you're weak in that.
45:39>> Mhm.
45:39>> I know you're weak in that because I in
45:41the beginning only I came to know your
45:43weaknesses towards the geopolitics. But
45:45I'll again and again ask those
45:46questions.
45:47>> Three hours I'll just ask this, irritate
45:49you.
45:49>> I will every second or third questions
45:51I'll irritate you. Now you have that
45:53pressure key I'm not able to answer. I'm
45:55not able to answer.
45:57You give a put a human in that
45:59situation.
46:00That is how you train your mind.
46:02>> Mhm. How we train our juniors or we were
46:05also trained the same way.
46:06So, we put them in a pressure where they
46:08feel
46:09I'm not able to answer. I feel ashamed.
46:11I need to do this something.
46:13And then that thing comes from inside.
46:16We go back and we are ashamed that we
46:18were not able to answer our seniors.
46:21And if he is there, he had done it, I
46:22can also do it.
46:23>> True.
46:24>> That's a positive ego. That's a positive
46:26mindset. So, we go back, eat our food
46:28and read that I want to do that next
46:30time he asks if he asked me 100
46:31questions, at least I'll answer 20.
46:34>> Mhm.
46:34>> If I was not able to answer two, I will
46:36answer 20.
46:37>> [snorts]
46:37>> And
46:38do they check backgrounds?
46:40>> Of course.
46:41>> What
46:41>> Background is checked on multiple
46:43levels.
46:43>> What verification do they do? What
46:45backgrounds do they check?
46:46>> Um
46:47character.
46:49>> How do they find out character?
46:50>> Uh there are people, agencies,
46:52complaints. So, if like I'm I I was
46:55about to join, so my initial background
46:58since my childhood, where have I done my
47:00schooling from, with people whom I've
47:01been what I've been ever involved with,
47:04have I done something wrong in my past,
47:07has the complaint been raised,
47:09>> Mhm.
47:09>> am I there's any case going on against
47:12me, everything is checked, even my
47:14family background is checked.
47:16Because you're putting a young human at
47:19such a big place and a responsibility,
47:21you need to be clear of each and
47:22everything. You can't take risk that
47:25some rogue man who tried to, you know,
47:27manipulate people and sh-
47:29tried to hide and was successful in
47:30hiding his own na- nature, now he ends
47:34up he or she ends up in a situation, now
47:35he can do anything.
47:37>> At the most powerful
47:38>> At the most powerful place. They're the
47:40closest to the senior dignitaries of the
47:42government of India. You don't want to
47:43do that.
47:44>> Do people come and try to bribe you?
47:46>> No.
47:49>> Why? At that position because you're
47:50close to
47:51>> So, like the I've told you my entire
47:53day's schedule. So, when someone whom we
47:56don't know or people generally come up
47:58they try to be friends with. Of course.
48:01Like they don't try to be a friend but
48:03yes of course let's go have a cup of
48:04coffee.
48:06Have a food at our place. But if you
48:08don't know them then we also know
48:10there's something fishy. Why will
48:11someone randomly come up and start
48:13having hosting me a dinner or host me a
48:15coffee.
48:17Or would want key. Just normal friends
48:18fascination.
48:19>> Why how?
48:20>> I don't know I'm asking you.
48:22>> So that is we know we are at a position
48:24where we can be manipulated by people.
48:26We can be exploited by people because we
48:29are young people can there's a natural
48:32tendency or a thought process.
48:34That they are young people we can
48:36manipulate them.
48:37People get excited.
48:39But that is how you know like the
48:41selection process I thought I I spoke
48:43about that puts the filters in. Now I
48:46know there are checks and balances my
48:47inner.
48:49Self gives me an alarm.
48:51Why? You don't know him. You never knew
48:54him before. You met him here.
48:56And even if you go out of a cup of
48:58coffee the moment you come to know that
48:59he's seeking something out of you cut
49:01it.
49:02Sorry.
49:03Our work we leave.
49:05Because we know they are trying to
49:07exploit us.
49:08>> Has anyone tried to do that?
49:10>> Yes of course. They have people have
49:12tried to come up be friends with me.
49:16I'm I'm saying for the personal yes
49:17they've come.
49:18And spoken to me tried to be friends
49:20with me. But the moment I realized key
49:22this is not a friendship they're
49:23seeking.
49:24>> Mhm.
49:24>> But the end result is different. I know.
49:27>> Yeah.
49:27>> I know why someone will be my friend. I
49:29know.
49:29I can make it out. It's experience you
49:31get.
49:32>> Yeah.
49:32>> Initially when I joined I didn't have
49:34that experience so my senior always have
49:36like the seniors always have eyes on the
49:38younger ADCs.
49:40Where are they going out and meeting
49:42whom?
49:43>> Mhm.
49:44>> We keep a track.
49:45The moment he or she realizes.
49:48That are they being manipulated?
49:50Because manipulation is there some
49:52people people who can manipulate people,
49:53young people. We don't want to be
49:56ending up in a situation of getting
49:58shame
49:59>> Mhm.
49:59>> for the individual, for the president of
50:02India, and for the association or the
50:03organization we have.
50:06So, it's a big long process. Yes, it has
50:08happened with me.
50:09And cut off. That's my easy way. I don't
50:12know. I don't reply to them. I don't
50:13speak to them.
50:14>> But directly somebody has not tried to
50:16bribe you.
50:16>> No.
50:16>> There was like
50:17>> Everyone is afraid. Because they don't
50:20know I do or or not. The best part
50:23uh is that I'm young. I have aim. I have
50:27goals and aspirations, and I have moral
50:29values.
50:30>> Mhm. But they don't know that yet,
50:32right?
50:33>> But they're scared. Uniform people.
50:35Because this position, this place is way
50:38too big.
50:39>> Yeah.
50:40Which is true. The moment they are also
50:43anyone, I would say I don't know who,
50:44but if
50:46I if I put me in the opposite position,
50:50I would be very scared.
50:51>> Everyone would be very scared.
50:53>> Everyone would be scared. You can't
50:54trust a younger in like how
50:57what moral ethical values he or she
50:59holds. The moment I go go out and say
51:02oh, this guy came up and did this, his
51:03entire career is lost.
51:05>> Fair.
51:05>> And I'm at a such a position where I can
51:07tell anything and it will be accepted. I
51:09have some figures. And young people,
51:11motivated young people who are working
51:14with an aim,
51:15they will not,
51:16you know, like accept all these things.
51:18>> True. They'll and they will also do set
51:21an example.
51:22>> Yes.
51:23>> Make sure that you get ruined so that
51:24other people are not approached by you.
51:27>> So, we have a personal life also. And
51:29the time I told you, we get a very
51:31limited time for ourselves, for our
51:33families. Up is sub may when someone
51:35tries to do that, and we get to know
51:37that we are being played upon,
51:40we teach them a lesson.
51:42We need to. This had to be stopped. This
51:44has to be stopped. I am of the firm
51:46opinion this has to be stopped.
51:48>> I don't appreciate it.
51:50Any ADC serving or who has served has
51:53never
51:54appreciated it and will not do it ahead.
51:57>> Do you
51:58Do you
51:59>> [snorts]
52:00>> in your personal life, do you look at
52:02other people, friends,
52:04and probably potential partner with
52:06distrust?
52:07That maybe the girl who's trying to
52:10probably talk to you, become your
52:11friends, you don't know what ulterior
52:13motive
52:14Do you see Do you look at everyone with
52:16distrust?
52:17>> Personally,
52:18>> Mhm.
52:18>> I'm telling you my personal opinion, I
52:20see everyone with distrust.
52:22Until I
52:24gain that confidence and trust, I always
52:27have that one day the person who's
52:29sitting in front of me will backstab me.
52:32Now I'm prepared for the contingency. I
52:34don't have expectations.
52:36You show me your colors, I'm prepared.
52:37Because my mind has already accepted
52:40that the video going to be there. I'm
52:41going to be betrayed.
52:44So now I
52:45plan my things accordingly.
52:47Other than my parents and my childhood
52:49friends whom I've known for a while,
52:51people who I meet new, I don't trust
52:53them.
52:54I do not trust them. Even if they commit
52:56and promise me anything,
52:58I don't.
52:59>> Is it
52:59>> I always know that they one day they're
53:01going to go back and
53:03do something which will bring shame for
53:05me.
53:06I'm prepared for that. So I will play
53:08along, let them show their colors,
53:11and then
53:12>> Is it a bad way to live?
53:14>> No, it's not a
53:15>> Because you are like paranoid in your
53:16head that okay, maybe your partner, your
53:19girlfriend, your wife, your husband,
53:21your boyfriend, whoever
53:23No, can't turn out to be
53:25>> Girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, you've
53:27spent a time and gained that confidence.
53:30You spent
53:31>> But in the beginning in the beginning
53:32>> yes, of course, until you gain that
53:34trust. But I'll always be looking upon
53:37them with a fishy eyes.
53:39>> What is the reason?
53:40>> Yes, of course. That I think I would say
53:42that is how my mindset have been built
53:45by the army. Always be alert, always be
53:48prepared for the contingencies. Always
53:50be ready that things go will go bad. If
53:53you're ready for things will go bad, so
53:55you don't have expectations and you're
53:56prepared. I'm sure. But it's going to be
53:58me again. I'm prepared.
53:59>> Do you do background checks on anyone
54:02trying to come close to you?
54:04>> Yes.
54:05If I was talking to
54:07like I was talking to you right now, I
54:08do that.
54:09>> So you must have done a background check
54:11on me as well.
54:12>> And then ask couple of friends who know
54:14me.
54:15>> You're a good man, man. I trust you.
54:17So yes, of course I read about you. I
54:20spoke to people. I tried to find out.
54:23And I tried to read about you. I saw I
54:26saw most of your I think I in the last
54:29two three days I've seen your 10 or some
54:31podcasts. Imagine at least it goes for
54:33an hour, more than an hour I've spent 10
54:35hours on you watching you.
54:37So I analyze. That is my natural
54:39instinct. The organization, the
54:42training, the things happened in life
54:44have taught me this.
54:46>> Which is?
54:48Man, it must be it must be very
54:50stressful to live like that. I live
54:55Okay, it's a very different work, so I
54:57can't even compare, but I'm telling you
54:59as a human being, I trust people.
55:02And I upfront trust people. I love
55:05In fact, I don't trust people but I'm
55:07like okay, out of the thousand people
55:09this person is bad, others are right.
55:11Like in my head I'm like that person.
55:13So I can't imagine how you live like how
55:15you live with
55:16>> I I used to be like that before.
55:18Something to trust, but then you know
55:23the organization, the training teaches
55:25you
55:26not to trust blindly.
55:28>> But have you ever have you been
55:30betrayed?
55:31>> No, I don't think so. Not yet.
55:33>> [laughter]
55:34>> I don't want to be betrayed, but not
55:37yet.
55:37>> But this has become your normal way of
55:39operating.
55:42Tell me what when you when you meet
55:45president, right? There's a protocol for
55:46other people to meet as well.
55:48>> Yes.
55:48>> I've seen that ceremony where they give
55:50the president award, right? Everybody
55:53comes in a certain way, they practice in
55:54a certain way, they bow down, then they
55:56receive. Why is that important?
56:00Ceremonial, like everything is very
56:02ceremonial.
56:03>> Yes, it is ceremonial because there has
56:05to be a procedure to that.
56:07If you don't Okay, so for example, I'll
56:09give you a contradicting
56:13question, contradicting example to this.
56:15If I don't tell them how to do, someone
56:18will come and directly come up to the
56:19president.
56:19>> Mhm.
56:20>> So you know, you would have seen the
56:21award ceremonies which are conducted in
56:23Rashtrapati Bhavan. There's a procedure,
56:25they rise from their chair, go to the
56:26center, stand there, they wish the
56:29president, and then they come up, take
56:30the award.
56:31>> Mhm.
56:31>> Right? If I don't make them do in a
56:33particular way, anyone would just
56:35There'll be a chaos. Somebody would be
56:37going coming directly, stand rising from
56:39the right They'll rise from the chair,
56:41move up to the president, and snatch it
56:43from the president.
56:44You don't want that because the entire
56:46country, and in fact people outside are
56:48also watching.
56:50You You don't want to bring shame, no?
56:52You can't
56:53>> is the protocol? Like what do you teach
56:54them?
56:55>> So we
56:55>> Let's say I am coming to
56:58meet the president, and president's are
57:01going to give me award. What will you
57:02tell? What is the protocol?
57:03>> Okay, so if you're coming to take an
57:06award, so there'll be an award ceremony
57:08which is conducted inside the
57:10Rashtrapati Bhavan. Like the civil
57:12defense civil investiture ceremony and
57:14the defense investiture ceremonies that
57:16conducted. So for example, if you've
57:18come and you've come to take an award, I
57:20will first show you your place to sit.
57:23The award There's a specific place where
57:24the awardees sit, and in front the
57:26audience sits, the family members of the
57:28awardees.
57:29>> [snorts]
57:29>> Then I'll tell you once your name is
57:31announced, you will rise from your
57:33chair, come in the center of the hall.
57:35And face the president because now you
57:37have to receive the award from the
57:39president of India.
57:40While [snorts] you're standing there,
57:42your citation will be read. What have
57:43you done? Why are you getting this
57:44award? It will be read on the live
57:46television so that anyone who's watching
57:49or sitting knows what you've done.
57:51Once your citation is read, then you
57:53will
57:54walk up to the president and receive the
57:56award.
57:57Now, while you're receiving the award,
57:59you look either to left or right because
58:01the media is standing there. We need to
58:03get a picture done. So, you and the
58:06president will look towards one side
58:09where the media is there so that we can
58:10have a picture. Once you receive it, you
58:13just say thank you. It's a normal
58:14courtesy. There's no We never tell
58:16anyone to bow.
58:17There's no courtesy There's This has
58:19never been a tradition, I think, and
58:22this
58:22I never did it and never it will happen
58:25ahead because we always tell to say
58:26thank you. It's a normal human gesture.
58:29But, everyone bows.
58:31It's a, you know, like when in India,
58:33when you do namaste, you bow like this.
58:35>> respect.
58:36>> It's a respect you tell show it to your
58:37elders. And because two people are doing
58:38that, everybody's like, "Okay, that's
58:40maybe the right way to do it." And
58:41that's why everybody follows. But, then
58:42it depends upon the, you know, like the
58:44community, their own
58:46cultural drives. Some people bow a lot
58:49or bend a lot. So, it it seems like
58:51they're bowing to the president, but
58:53there's no need to bow.
58:54But, yes, of course, you would greet the
58:56president. It's a normal courtesy as you
58:58would greet your elders at your home.
59:00You always do namaste with a head a
59:02slightly bent because they are your
59:04elders.
59:05It's the same.
59:06Now, the way of doing differs from
59:08individual to individual and then it is
59:10perceived as like they're bowing.
59:12We have not We're not doing the bowing
59:14thing. And then, how do [clears throat]
59:15they go out then?
59:16Okay, so you've received the award, you
59:18would just take one step back, say thank
59:19you to the president for giving me this
59:21award. You turn around and go towards
59:23your seat.
59:24And you sit down. That is how if 10
59:26people are getting awards, that is how
59:28the 10 people would be getting their
59:30awards.
59:30>> And then they keep sitting until the
59:31president leaves?
59:32>> Uh
59:33>> Or can they walk out?
59:34>> No, they can't walk out because your
59:36fellow awardees are yet to be given
59:37awards. You can't It'll be a disrespect.
59:40Everyone is sitting there with equal
59:42level of respect. That is why they are
59:44awarded on national uh level.
59:47So, for example, if you we both are
59:49sitting there, hm you receive an award
59:51and I'm sitting there and I'm yet to
59:54receive an award.
59:56How bad would it look?
59:57>> would be bad, but I'm just asking like
59:59is there a protocol or is there a rule
1:00:01that people can't walk out?
1:00:02>> They can't. If there's an emergency,
1:00:03yes, of course, they can't. If anything
1:00:05>> So, it's not a rule. It's just an unsaid
1:00:07>> Unse- No, we tell them.
1:00:09>> Okay, you tell them.
1:00:09>> You We tell them. If there's an
1:00:11emergency, someone might feel bad
1:00:14health-wise or anything is there, you
1:00:16may rise and go behind the chairs.
1:00:19But, there's no need to do that unless
1:00:21it's emergency because everyone of the
1:00:24government of India, senior official,
1:00:26dignitaries, and your fellow awardees
1:00:27are sitting there. You won't do that to
1:00:29your own fellow people.
1:00:30>> Hm.
1:00:31>> You don't want to disrespect everyone
1:00:32because you've earned it. Everyone there
1:00:34has earned it. It's a respect. We show
1:00:37it to everyone. That is why we tell
1:00:38them, "Please be seated until the
1:00:39president leaves." You can't leave the
1:00:41premises and then come back in.
1:00:44>> Okay, you would leave and then leave.
1:00:46Like you can't come in.
1:00:47>> The I said the premises. So, you're
1:00:48sitting in a hall.
1:00:50They've uh the hall will have washrooms
1:00:52inside, but you can't leave the building
1:00:54>> and then come
1:00:55>> and then go.
1:00:56>> But, you can go to the washroom and come
1:00:57back.
1:00:57>> course. That That's a normal norm. We
1:00:59have eyes.
1:01:00>> No. That's
1:01:00>> Security eyes are there. Everyone will
1:01:02be looking at everyone.
1:01:04That is the main and the good job of the
1:01:05security personnel. They look at each
1:01:07each and every
1:01:07>> So, that's not a rule.
1:01:09>> Okay. That's not a rule. No, there's not
1:01:10a rule.
1:01:10>> Is there
1:01:13Like do you announce something before
1:01:15the president comes?
1:01:16>> Yes, the honorable president of India.
1:01:18>> What do you announce? Like just I just
1:01:20>> Is there a formal announcement? What
1:01:21exact words do you announce?
1:01:23>> We announce, "Ladies and gentlemen, the
1:01:25honorable president of India."
1:01:27>> Is here.
1:01:27>> Yes, that that's it. The moment she's
1:01:29about to enter, as of now.
1:01:31The moment the president of India is
1:01:33about to enter the hall or the room, and
1:01:35people are sitting there, we announce,
1:01:37"Ladies and gentlemen, the president."
1:01:39So, as a courtesy, people rise and
1:01:41>> Yeah, everybody stands.
1:01:42>> Everybody stands and say, "Namaste."
1:01:44They do namaste.
1:01:45>> Mhm.
1:01:45>> It's a courtesy they extend. We don't
1:01:47tell them there's no compulsion. You
1:01:49don't want You don't want to stand, so
1:01:50you don't You can't You have to stand.
1:01:51There's no compulsion.
1:01:52>> Okay, if somebody doesn't stand, it's
1:01:54okay.
1:01:55>> But, people are not so, you know, like
1:01:58>> No, there's some country head can show
1:01:59this as a power move that I don't stand.
1:02:03>> They can.
1:02:03>> Like they've done this, right? Our
1:02:04country people have also done that.
1:02:06Other people have also done that.
1:02:07>> It's normal, natural.
1:02:08>> Mhm.
1:02:08>> It It is no
1:02:09>> Can I not rise for anyone?
1:02:10>> If you don't rise, what will What can I
1:02:12do? I can't ask you to leave.
1:02:13>> Huh.
1:02:14>> It's your personal choice. If you want
1:02:16to disrespect, you won't You will be
1:02:17looked upon as a disrespectful human
1:02:19being.
1:02:20>> Mhm.
1:02:20>> You wouldn't want [clears throat] to do
1:02:21that. Until you have something against
1:02:23the human
1:02:23>> That can also be a fame gaining
1:02:26opportunity for some
1:02:27>> To get eyes on yourself?
1:02:28>> Huh.
1:02:29>> Of course.
1:02:30>> That's like a lot of people would
1:02:31>> That is just we announce, "Ladies and
1:02:33gentlemen, the honorable president of
1:02:34India." And as we announce the ending
1:02:37part, the president enters the hall.
1:02:39>> And who checks?
1:02:43Like, is it you
1:02:45who will check the car that president
1:02:47will be sitting in or the hall she will
1:02:48enter? Or is it the security people who
1:02:50will tell you and you trust them that
1:02:52they've checked?
1:02:53>> So, the checking is done by the security
1:02:55personnel. It is their responsibility.
1:02:57Each and everything they go into detail.
1:02:59I, on the other hand, I am planning and
1:03:02tying up
1:03:03the protocol part.
1:03:04>> Got it.
1:03:04>> The flow of the event.
1:03:06>> Mhm.
1:03:07>> How and what will the president do? What
1:03:09all you will do?
1:03:11>> Uh
1:03:11>> I will just brief them. While I'm doing
1:03:13this, the security is working their
1:03:14part.
1:03:15>> So, you just assume that the security
1:03:17must have done the good job.
1:03:18>> do it and they give us okay. Now, it is
1:03:20ready. Once we take an okay from them,
1:03:23all okay, then we inform the president
1:03:25that ma'am, everything is ready. We can
1:03:26go.
1:03:27>> Who checks the car before the she sits
1:03:29in? Because there'll be different cars
1:03:30or she there's only one car she sits in
1:03:32all the time.
1:03:33>> Oh, she we have two cars, one spare car
1:03:36and one main car for the president.
1:03:37Dedicatedly, we have two two cars as of
1:03:39now.
1:03:40So, the car we is there's a garage
1:03:44superintendent who's responsible for the
1:03:46maintenance of the car.
1:03:47The cars have to be in the running
1:03:48condition. So, the number one car, the
1:03:51main car comes, it stands outside the
1:03:53main building from where the president
1:03:54will sit in the car.
1:03:56Once the car is there, the security
1:03:58personnel check first.
1:04:00They check it, they give us okay that
1:04:01there is no threat in this car. Then we
1:04:03go inside. Before we conduct the
1:04:05president, we go have a look in the car
1:04:07that things are organized, things are
1:04:08kept as per her requirements.
1:04:11And if there anything is wrong, that is
1:04:13the final check we do in the car. And
1:04:15then we conduct the car president to the
1:04:17car.
1:04:18>> And
1:04:19but in other other states, other cities,
1:04:21the same car goes?
1:04:23>> No.
1:04:24So, the car which is in Delhi, we can't
1:04:26take that car to say, for example,
1:04:28Kerala or So, because the president is
1:04:30the state head.
1:04:31>> Mhm.
1:04:32>> The security, the welcome, the travel,
1:04:34everything is the responsibility of the
1:04:36individual state.
1:04:38So, for example, we flew from Delhi
1:04:41to Bombay.
1:04:43So, now the president is the guest of
1:04:44the
1:04:45state of Maharashtra.
1:04:46>> Mhm.
1:04:47>> So, it is the responsibility of the
1:04:48government of Maharashtra to provide a
1:04:50car for the president.
1:04:51>> Got it.
1:04:52>> And the security and everything is done
1:04:55by the state of Maharashtra government
1:04:57of Maharashtra. They are responsible for
1:04:59that. Anything goes wrong, the
1:05:01union or the central government will
1:05:03take the government of Maharashtra
1:05:05responsible for it.
1:05:07We do the liaisoning part.
1:05:09>> Mhm.
1:05:09>> But the security agencies are doing
1:05:11their own part.
1:05:12>> But you will give your technical radar
1:05:13that these are the things that you want
1:05:15in the car [snorts] and this is it. And
1:05:17do you do the last inspection or you
1:05:19just trust the head of police of
1:05:22Maharashtra who would just tell you was
1:05:23like
1:05:23>> We trust we trust the security agencies.
1:05:25If we are traveling outside of Delhi, we
1:05:26trust the security agencies.
1:05:28They are doing their job perfectly fine.
1:05:30>> Like how in US they have one car.
1:05:32Or maybe multiple versions of the same
1:05:34car but that car goes everywhere. Like
1:05:36even if they come to do different
1:05:38country
1:05:39the president travel it's they they it
1:05:41is particularly country to country
1:05:43choice.
1:05:43>> We don't do that.
1:05:44>> We don't do that.
1:05:45>> We we don't even take our cars to other
1:05:46countries.
1:05:47>> Uh we don't know.
1:05:47>> For prime minister, no?
1:05:48>> Uh for prime minister, I'm not sure. I'm
1:05:50not aware of that but for the president,
1:05:52we don't take the car.
1:05:53The president goes as the guest of the
1:05:55country.
1:05:56>> Mhm.
1:05:57>> See, we went [clears throat] to the
1:05:58Portugal, we went to New Zealand, we
1:06:00went to Fiji or whatever we country
1:06:02you're going, we are the guest being
1:06:04hosted by the
1:06:05So, responsibility of the president of
1:06:07India becomes
1:06:09that of the hosting country.
1:06:12They are responsible. If anything goes
1:06:13wrong with our president, they will be
1:06:15held accountable for that.
1:06:16>> Got it.
1:06:18And
1:06:19what's fascinating to me when I look at
1:06:21you, right? Every time you're just right
1:06:23next to the president is the uniform.
1:06:27Like there are so many elements on the
1:06:29uniform. I want to understand what that
1:06:31uniform is. I want to pick up each every
1:06:33piece and tell me what is that. Okay, is
1:06:35that okay? Can I put that up?
1:06:36>> yes, of course, of course.
1:06:38>> Tell me, why are there different colors
1:06:40in uniform?
1:06:42There is a
1:06:42>> Colors.
1:06:43>> Yeah, like there's white color, then
1:06:44there's olive.
1:06:46>> So, okay, uh in the military uniform
1:06:49you're talking about?
1:06:50>> In your uniform also, no? Like you I've
1:06:52seen you wearing the darker one and the
1:06:54lighter one, both.
1:06:55>> Okay, so the lighter one which is the
1:06:57white one which you can you see here,
1:06:59white is used during the summers mhm and
1:07:02the darker one, blue, is used during the
1:07:05winters.
1:07:06>> Okay, these are the only two uniforms
1:07:07you have as an ADC or you have other
1:07:09colors?
1:07:09>> We have other colors like you see this
1:07:11one.
1:07:12>> This color you're saying?
1:07:13>> Yeah, this color. This is olive green,
1:07:15dark olive green.
1:07:16>> Mhm.
1:07:16>> This is the regular color of the
1:07:18summer uniform of Indian Army. It's half
1:07:21sleeves.
1:07:22Olive green. Olive green is because
1:07:25Army works on ground, ground, grass.
1:07:28That's why green.
1:07:29>> Okay. So, let's say this is This is dark
1:07:32blue.
1:07:33>> This is No, this is gray. This color
1:07:34showing is coming up as
1:07:37dark blue, but this is olive green. It's
1:07:39olive dark olive green.
1:07:40>> Okay.
1:07:41>> It's same, same, and same.
1:07:42>> Okay.
1:07:43>> This is also the same. 1 2 3 4 are all
1:07:45same.
1:07:46>> So, you have white and this?
1:07:47>> We have So, this is regular working
1:07:50dress. So, now the one which I'm wearing
1:07:51here is a winter ceremonial dress.
1:07:54>> Mhm.
1:07:55>> [snorts]
1:07:55>> It's only worn on ceremonial occasions,
1:07:57national events.
1:07:58>> Like Republic Day or
1:07:59>> Republic Day parade or you would wear it
1:08:03while in a banquet.
1:08:04>> Okay.
1:08:04>> winters, so you would wear this.
1:08:07And the similar there's a white one.
1:08:10>> Mhm.
1:08:10>> Which the previous one you had a picture
1:08:13I wear a white one in the similar
1:08:14attire. So, that is during the summer.
1:08:17That's summer ceremonial dress.
1:08:19>> Got it. And then full time you have to
1:08:20wear this. When can you wear this like
1:08:23not in This is not uniform.
1:08:24>> No, this is not uniform. I met the
1:08:26honorable president a couple of days
1:08:27back.
1:08:28This I came in unofficial capacity.
1:08:31>> Got it. So, every time you are on
1:08:32official duty you have to wear uniform?
1:08:34>> Uniform.
1:08:35>> be in your
1:08:36>> Uh no, we can't be. So, we generally put
1:08:39on
1:08:40you know, like the track suits
1:08:42when the president goes for a walk in
1:08:44the morning. So, we walk we go along
1:08:46with the the duty ADC walk along with
1:08:48the president.
1:08:49That time we do not put on uniform.
1:08:52We are in our track suits.
1:08:53>> Got it. And so, on your uniform what I
1:08:57can see there are so many things.
1:08:59What does each of them signify?
1:09:03What's
1:09:04Where do we start? You you choose.
1:09:06>> So we start from the head.
1:09:08>> Okay. [snorts]
1:09:08>> Okay. So this is peak cap.
1:09:11This is worn only during
1:09:14the ceremonial occasions.
1:09:16In army also the officers and even in
1:09:19the uniformed any uniform force the
1:09:22officers put on a peak cap.
1:09:24>> Mhm.
1:09:25>> So it is a headgear. It is mandatory to
1:09:27have. But being in the para as you can
1:09:29see here I'm wearing a maroon beret.
1:09:32It signifies the difference between a
1:09:34peak cap officer and a beret officer.
1:09:37It's a beret. So the para officer
1:09:39>> the difference?
1:09:39>> So difference is it's only given to
1:09:41specially special people. We have done
1:09:43specialized training. It shows that we
1:09:47have the why is it maroon? I would want
1:09:49to tell you is because we have bled to
1:09:51get this. So maroon is for the blood
1:09:54color.
1:09:55We have you know like given our blood
1:09:57earned it that is why we wear maroon.
1:09:59>> So this everybody would get. Every
1:10:01officer would get this not every officer
1:10:03would get this.
1:10:04>> But the only difference now you see here
1:10:06is that is an Ashoka emblem here.
1:10:08In the organization in the unit you will
1:10:10not have an Ashoka have Ashoka emblem
1:10:13here. You will have the regimental
1:10:15symbol. Crest. Like in the beret I'm
1:10:17wearing this silver color you can see
1:10:20the parachute wings.
1:10:22The wings and the parachute. This is the
1:10:25crest of the parachute regiment. Okay.
1:10:27So if for example I am from Jat
1:10:30regiment. Example I was in Jat regiment.
1:10:32So when I used to wear the peak cap the
1:10:34crest of the Jat regiment was here
1:10:36instead of Ashoka emblem.
1:10:38Now I was serving the president of
1:10:40India. She is the union head of the
1:10:43India. That is why Ashoka emblem is
1:10:45here.
1:10:45>> Got it.
1:10:46>> Otherwise I would wear my regimental
1:10:48crest.
1:10:50>> Okay. Then now what's
1:10:52>> Okay. So this is a shoulder title you
1:10:54can see it's written para. So it
1:10:56signifies the regiment which I belong
1:10:58to.
1:10:58>> Okay.
1:10:59>> So, if I when I was in Jat, there was
1:11:01Jat written, J A T written in capitals.
1:11:04So, now I'm in para, and that is why the
1:11:07shoulder title says para.
1:11:09>> And special forces.
1:11:10>> And special forces in additional we get
1:11:11after clearing the
1:11:13probation.
1:11:15The probation to gets, you know, like
1:11:18selected in the parachute regiment, you
1:11:19have to go through probation phase.
1:11:21>> Okay.
1:11:21>> So, when you clear it, you get the
1:11:23maroon beret.
1:11:24It signifies
1:11:25>> you've given blood, and that special
1:11:26forces tag.
1:11:27>> And this
1:11:28>> And above that, it's president's staff
1:11:30India. So, we get it when we are
1:11:32selected as an ADC. And even the
1:11:35non-ADC, non, you know, like the people
1:11:37who are not the ADCs, they also get it,
1:11:40but people who belong to military.
1:11:42>> Mhm.
1:11:42>> And they are serving the president, they
1:11:43get this president's staff India.
1:11:45>> Good.
1:11:46>> To put on the uniform.
1:11:47>> Only the military staff for the
1:11:49president will get this.
1:11:50>> Will get this, and only when they're
1:11:51serving in the president presidential
1:11:53palace or the president secretary,
1:11:56they can put it on till that time.
1:11:57>> What's this?
1:11:58>> So, this is a kamarband. It's basically
1:12:00put on the waist.
1:12:02It's a ceremonial thing. Otherwise, I
1:12:04would put on a belt. But, since we are
1:12:07I'm wearing a tunic, a patrol, so it
1:12:10looks for a, you know, like it holds the
1:12:13tunic and the trouser together. It's
1:12:15just a
1:12:16>> It's decorative.
1:12:17>> It's decorative purposes.
1:12:18>> Okay. It's It doesn't signify
1:12:19>> It doesn't signify anything. It's just a
1:12:21kamarband. You
1:12:22>> Part of decoration of the uniform.
1:12:24What's this?
1:12:25>> This is an aglet. Okay. So, this is
1:12:29given to the senior
1:12:32officers of the
1:12:34uniformed forces, I would say. Even the
1:12:36police [clears throat] wears some sort
1:12:38of
1:12:39aglets. The navy, army, if everyone
1:12:42wears it. Now, what is the difference
1:12:43between this aglet is that I'm putting
1:12:45it on my right right shoulder.
1:12:47>> Mhm.
1:12:48>> Everyone else, other than the service
1:12:51chiefs, they put it on left shoulder.
1:12:53It's the seniority. It's the
1:12:56responsibility lies on the heaviest on
1:12:58their shoulder. So, they put it on the
1:13:00right side. We put it on the right side
1:13:02because we are serving with the
1:13:03president. Once I go back
1:13:06from this like I was posted out, went
1:13:08back to my unit, I was not authorized to
1:13:11wear the aglet because I was no more
1:13:13serving the honorable president.
1:13:14>> You can't even wear it on left because
1:13:16you're no more senior most officer.
1:13:18>> can't wear it even on my left. I was
1:13:19wearing it
1:13:23because I was serving the president of
1:13:25India.
1:13:26And on to the right because she's a
1:13:28senior most and the biggest
1:13:29responsibility we have to carry. It's a
1:13:30privilege given to the ADCs.
1:13:33>> And what's this?
1:13:34>> This you can see is are the applets.
1:13:36Basically, these are the ranks
1:13:38shoulders. You can see there's a there's
1:13:41a thing which is placed on top on the
1:13:42both sides.
1:13:44So, this is
1:13:45the rank which we carry. These are
1:13:46called applets. They are put on both
1:13:49shoulders and they carry ranks.
1:13:51It's a decorative thing, but it
1:13:53signifies that these are the ranks.
1:13:54>> But what's your rank?
1:13:55>> It's make a seat.
1:13:56>> Okay.
1:13:57>> If you look it from the top, it's just
1:13:59this. Sorry. You see this golden color?
1:14:01>> Mhm.
1:14:02>> This is here.
1:14:03>> But this emblem, no?
1:14:04>> This is emblem, yes. So, all the major
1:14:07>> Mhm.
1:14:07>> the rank in army it's major, in air
1:14:10force it's squadron leader, and in navy
1:14:12it's lieutenant commander. So, all these
1:14:14officers
1:14:16for army it's Ashoka, for air force
1:14:18there are the stripes, and for navy
1:14:21there are rings.
1:14:23So, I'm wearing the Ashoka emblem on my
1:14:26shoulder, but it's a threaded one. This
1:14:28is a metallic one.
1:14:29>> Mhm. And
1:14:31what are the ranks above major? Like
1:14:33tell me from junior to the top.
1:14:35>> So, when we get commissioned now, we get
1:14:37commissioned as a lieutenant.
1:14:39>> Okay.
1:14:39>> Then from lieutenant after 2 years of
1:14:42service and promotional exams, we become
1:14:45captains. We another serve for 3 months
1:14:48or sorry 3 years and then we become
1:14:51major. From major we reserve roughly
1:14:54around 7 to 8 years and then [snorts] we
1:14:57become lieutenant colonel. We have to
1:14:58pass a test, courses, gradings, all that
1:15:01matters to get the next rank.
1:15:04From lieutenant colonel then we become a
1:15:05colonel.
1:15:07From colonel we become a brigadier.
1:15:09After brigadier is major general then
1:15:12lieutenant general and the senior most
1:15:14becomes the general.
1:15:15>> The army general which is the army
1:15:17general and who would be above army
1:15:19general?
1:15:19>> Chief of defense services.
1:15:20>> Okay. And who would be above CDS?
1:15:22>> And then comes the defense ministry. See
1:15:24CDS is the head of all three services.
1:15:27>> Mhm.
1:15:28>> In India. Army, Navy, Air Force. The
1:15:30head of all these services is a CDS then
1:15:34you know like the juniors of the CDS are
1:15:36the three service chiefs, the army
1:15:38chief, the navy chief and the Air Force
1:15:40chief.
1:15:40>> So
1:15:41>> And then it comes And the chief would be
1:15:42the general.
1:15:43>> Chief will be the general. Yes, of
1:15:44course. In army it will be the general,
1:15:46in Air Force it will be the chief of Air
1:15:48Staff and in Navy it will be the
1:15:49admiral.
1:15:50Yes.
1:15:51>> Okay. So these are the three and now
1:15:53what's this? These are four different
1:15:55medals.
1:15:55>> These are four different medals. These
1:15:57are called the service medals. So you
1:15:58basically get these medals when you are
1:16:01posted in a specific area for a specific
1:16:03duration of time. I would just give you
1:16:05a bit like starting from the right to
1:16:08the left. The right is the independence
1:16:1075th year independence medal. So we
1:16:13completed our 75th year. Everyone in the
1:16:15uniform got this medal. Was authorized
1:16:18to wear this medal.
1:16:19>> Nice.
1:16:20>> This was given decided by the government
1:16:21of India.
1:16:22After this onto the left is the medal
1:16:25with the blue and the white.
1:16:27>> But every major or every
1:16:30>> Everyone with a uniform.
1:16:32>> Even a soldier on ground will be able to
1:16:34wear it. Okay.
1:16:35>> This These are service medals. Everyone
1:16:37gets it. Starting from a soldier, a
1:16:39jawan, to the senior most
1:16:42chiefs or the CDS.
1:16:44So, the second is uh blue and white.
1:16:46This is a high-altitude medal. It
1:16:48signifies that the individual has served
1:16:50in the high-altitude region of the
1:16:51country.
1:16:53This is uh
1:16:54Sainya Seva medal.
1:16:56And this is special service medal. So,
1:16:58they depend upon the area-specific
1:17:01counterinsurgency insurgency areas or
1:17:03affected areas. They are given there.
1:17:05So, these are the four medals. As if I'm
1:17:07wearing it, it signifies that I've
1:17:09uh I was there when the 75th year of
1:17:11independence. I've served in the high
1:17:13altitude. I've served in J&K and
1:17:14insurgency areas. This signifies where
1:17:17I've served.
1:17:18>> Okay. And
1:17:19it doesn't matter if you have excelled
1:17:21there or not. If you are the top-notch
1:17:23person there or not, it doesn't matter.
1:17:24Everyone who has served it
1:17:26>> will get this. If you have excelled
1:17:28there, you get the commendations.
1:17:30>> Mhm.
1:17:30>> Initially, non-gallantry are the
1:17:32commendations.
1:17:33>> Okay.
1:17:34>> Like uh below these, you see these two
1:17:36badges. The red one is the commendation
1:17:38which I got from the vice chief of the
1:17:41Indian Army.
1:17:42>> Okay.
1:17:42>> And the the the other one, this one, is
1:17:45the commendation by the chief of army
1:17:47staff.
1:17:47>> And why did you get it?
1:17:49>> Uh this was given to me uh when we won
1:17:51the Republic Day parade in 2021. This
1:17:53was awarded to me by the chief uh of
1:17:57army in the Rashtrapati Bhavan for my
1:18:00work which I've done here. Commendable
1:18:02work.
1:18:03>> Okay.
1:18:03>> You've done a good work, this is the
1:18:04commendation you get.
1:18:05>> For the President of India what you have
1:18:06done, that's
1:18:07>> Yes, your service towards the President
1:18:09of India whatever you've done. You have
1:18:10done good job, you I'm commending you.
1:18:12This also happens in the unit as well.
1:18:14If someone does a good work, to
1:18:16appreciate their work, the commendation
1:18:18cards are awarded.
1:18:19>> Okay.
1:18:20>> Yeah.
1:18:20>> What was
1:18:22You said you won Republic Day parade.
1:18:25>> Yes. So,
1:18:26uh in 2021, January 2021, I
1:18:30was in the Republic Day parade. I was
1:18:32leading the JAT Regimental Contingent.
1:18:34And there's a competition which goes on
1:18:37in all the rich walk like marching
1:18:39contingents.
1:18:40So we were the best marching contingent
1:18:42in the Republic Day parade.
1:18:44>> Okay, because you were leading it that's
1:18:45why you got it.
1:18:46>> No, so there were six contingents, six
1:18:49officers leading six contingents. The
1:18:51best one marching
1:18:53>> Yeah, the best one marching so
1:18:54>> Yes, yes.
1:18:55>> You and your unit was the best and you
1:18:57were leading your unit that's why
1:18:58>> Yes, of course. Yes, that's the reason.
1:19:01>> And who chooses this?
1:19:02>> There's a committee which is sit
1:19:04seated there in the parade. They there
1:19:07are different gradings, categories they
1:19:09are divided. The checks and balancing
1:19:11then one finalize they finalize it who
1:19:13has won the parade.
1:19:14>> Nice. And what's this?
1:19:16>> Yes, so
1:19:18this is the most coveted
1:19:21Balidan badge.
1:19:22>> Mhm.
1:19:23>> Uh you have to give your blood
1:19:26and your sweat and your sleepless nights
1:19:30for to earn this. It It's It's not easy.
1:19:32>> Balidan badge?
1:19:34>> Balidan badge is a symbol that you have
1:19:35given Balidan of your
1:19:38soul.
1:19:38>> [laughter]
1:19:39>> Mhm.
1:19:39>> You have now
1:19:41given what it takes to be the best.
1:19:44>> Mhm.
1:19:46>> Uh you know, you have given the Balidan
1:19:47of your life towards the organization,
1:19:49towards this cause.
1:19:52So this I think in India we call it the
1:19:54Balidan badge. In different countries
1:19:56the specialized forces get different
1:19:59badges and the names are different.
1:20:00>> Okay.
1:20:01>> In India it is Balidan badge.
1:20:03>> Why did you get it?
1:20:04>> Uh so
1:20:05you know, I was in the Jat Regiment
1:20:08and
1:20:09to become a special forces operative you
1:20:13have to undergo a probation phase.
1:20:15>> Okay.
1:20:16>> Uh there's a documentary on it, you
1:20:18know, like Discovery which which had
1:20:19come up back in a couple of years ago
1:20:22where which you know, tells you about
1:20:24the procedure of the probation. So for
1:20:28roughly around 90 days the
1:20:31say for example me
1:20:33Uh
1:20:33I was put into a
1:20:36completely cut-off world and sit
1:20:39stressful controlled stressful
1:20:41situations
1:20:43to assess my capabilities. So, for 90
1:20:46days I was put into rigorous training,
1:20:49sleepless nights, different tasks,
1:20:51missions, training was going on. So,
1:20:54basically you they don't let you sleep
1:20:55in these 90 days. You hardly sleep in
1:20:57your classes when you're about to doze
1:20:59off. It's a very interesting part. They
1:21:02push you to your limits.
1:21:06The human limit you touch your human
1:21:08limits. Individual
1:21:09it differs or it varies from individual
1:21:11to individual, I would say. Some has
1:21:13higher potential limits of their
1:21:15physical capability and the mental
1:21:17capability, but this probation is
1:21:19designed in such a way that we push the
1:21:22individual to their limits and then
1:21:24decide whether they break or not.
1:21:26>> Mhm.
1:21:27>> They should not break. We're looking for
1:21:28a human who doesn't break.
1:21:30>> How did they try to break you? Give me
1:21:31the most
1:21:33stressful situation where you were about
1:21:35to break.
1:21:39>> Uh I like it's already there in the
1:21:42documentary that, you know, like they
1:21:43put you in a tank and then they uh make
1:21:46you go in the water and then, you know,
1:21:49like they put you inside, take it out,
1:21:51and keep you inside. So, you breathe,
1:21:52breathe, and the moment you're tired,
1:21:54you don't fight it.
1:21:56>> Take me make those things like that
1:21:58because you were there.
1:21:59>> Uh what thing about
1:22:00>> exactly what you did what you did what
1:22:01you did what you did what you did
1:22:03>> So, it's it's it's a part of a
1:22:04probation. It's called the stress phase.
1:22:06>> Mhm.
1:22:07>> Already the 90 days are a stressful 90
1:22:09days.
1:22:09>> [laughter]
1:22:09>> You don't get to sleep. You are waking
1:22:11You're not sleeping. You're just
1:22:12running, walking, learning new
1:22:14activities. So, in that duration of
1:22:18things, there comes a stress phase.
1:22:20For different units have their different
1:22:23plan for stress phase. Say, let's for
1:22:25example, I'll give you an example.
1:22:27Stress phase was for 72 hours.
1:22:28>> Mhm.
1:22:29>> So, 72 hours, the whatever I was doing
1:22:32for the past number of days, it was
1:22:34taken more extreme, upper level.
1:22:37So, no rest, no water, no food.
1:22:41>> For 72 hours?
1:22:41>> For 72 hours. And then difficult
1:22:44activities, the level of difficulty was
1:22:45increased every hour, every minute. A
1:22:48new thing was there and I had to do it
1:22:50without having water, you know, like uh
1:22:53carrying logs on our shoulders, having
1:22:5630 kg of backpack, weapon, and things
1:22:59and all, and we are walking
1:23:01continuously. They don't let you have
1:23:03water.
1:23:03>> Mhm.
1:23:04>> When after a certain amount of time,
1:23:06there's a diving tank.
1:23:08You know, in which we learn the
1:23:09underwater diving things. So, they put
1:23:11you into the into the tank. The first
1:23:13thing, you know, like you've not drunk,
1:23:14you've not had water for say
1:23:1720 hours or 16 hours, for example. What
1:23:20will the first thing you do is you drink
1:23:21water.
1:23:22>> Yeah.
1:23:22>> But you can't drink the tank water. It's
1:23:24a diving tank. Everyone is just diving
1:23:26in equipment. It's not a drinkable
1:23:27water.
1:23:29>> But then, who cares? You need to have
1:23:30water.
1:23:31>> Mhm.
1:23:31>> What I do, I have entered inside the the
1:23:33moment they put me inside, I drank
1:23:35water. Because I was thirsty. I had not
1:23:37had water for a almost more than a day.
1:23:39I was thirsty. I was doing continuous. I
1:23:41need water to
1:23:43you know, like continue ahead. I drank
1:23:45water. So, now my stomach is full.
1:23:47So, then they put you inside the water.
1:23:49They started pushing me inside the
1:23:51water.
1:23:521 2 3, I was resisting here. I want to
1:23:54go.
1:23:54>> Pushing as in
1:23:55>> Like uh
1:23:55>> There are people who are pushing you.
1:23:57>> Pushing me, yes.
1:23:58>> Okay.
1:23:58>> me inside the water and not making
1:24:00letting me breathe. So, I'm inside the
1:24:02water. So, I'm trying to control my
1:24:04breathing. I'm I stopped breathing so
1:24:06that the water
1:24:07the water does not go into the lungs.
1:24:09And then after a certain amount of time,
1:24:11they'll pull you out so that you can
1:24:12breathe. And then they'll do that
1:24:14repeatedly to you. How long will you
1:24:17fight? So, basically, imagine that
1:24:19someone is trying to kill you, choking
1:24:20you inside the water. You can't breathe
1:24:22inside the water. So, you will fight and
1:24:24do you push to come up? Yes, but then
1:24:26they are you've been pressed upon your
1:24:28shoulders inside the water.
1:24:30You're trying to come out, have a, you
1:24:32know, like have a breathe
1:24:33>> and then go back.
1:24:34>> But you can't because you you're already
1:24:36pressed in the water. But then they are
1:24:38trained. [clears throat]
1:24:39The instructors are trained in a certain
1:24:41way that we don't want to harm the
1:24:42individual, but we want him to give up.
1:24:45But take him to his limit where he says
1:24:46that up or ne ho payega, I want to give
1:24:48up. I want to die.
1:24:50So, we give them a breathe and then put
1:24:52it inside. And then initially for 5
1:24:55minutes you will resist, 10 minutes
1:24:56depends upon the strength you have left
1:24:58in your body you will resist. And then
1:25:00there will come a time when you can't
1:25:01like you can't because you're tired,
1:25:02your muscles are tired, you've been in a
1:25:04difficult stressful situation for a for
1:25:07a while now. And [snorts] then you give
1:25:08up. Ki oh god, I can't I want to like I
1:25:11can see the light over there. I want to
1:25:13go up, but I'm not I don't have the
1:25:15strength left. And then they'll pull out
1:25:17and like you still want to do it.
1:25:19Say yes or no because now you know
1:25:21you're going to die. That fear comes
1:25:22inside. You know, I was talking in one
1:25:23of my life I spoke about the courage.
1:25:26Does courage exist without fear? No.
1:25:28Until you're you're you have a fear, you
1:25:31will your courage will not come out. You
1:25:33will give it up.
1:25:34So, I still remember when I was put
1:25:36inside the water. I saw the light, I
1:25:38wanted to go to the light, but I
1:25:39couldn't go up. I was
1:25:41>> You've given up.
1:25:42>> Yeah, I I I wanted to give up. Ki I want
1:25:44to breathe or I'll die.
1:25:46And I was trying trying trying they
1:25:47pulled me out and like you want to do
1:25:48it?
1:25:50I thought
1:25:52under say there was a voice coming on
1:25:54the TV I don't want to do it. I want to
1:25:56go live a normal life. Why am I going
1:25:58and doing such things? There was this
1:26:00feeling coming from inside ki you say no
1:26:02and you can eat, breathe, sleep
1:26:04peacefully.
1:26:04>> Yeah.
1:26:05>> But the mind
1:26:07Oh, mind never wants to give up. Ese
1:26:10kese? How will I give up? I will die to
1:26:12today, but I will give up tomorrow, but
1:26:14not today.
1:26:15That is my funda of life. I will not
1:26:16give up today. And then you went back
1:26:18in. I didn't go back in. They took me
1:26:21out. Do you want to do it? I gave them a
1:26:23look. I
1:26:25wanted to say yes, but I think no, I
1:26:27will not give up. And they put me back
1:26:28inside.
1:26:29And then I'm choking, again choking, and
1:26:31then they again take you out. So, they
1:26:33make you do it two, three times until
1:26:35you're totally dead. Because there will
1:26:37be a moment now you can't move your
1:26:38lung, and then you'll give up. The
1:26:40moment you'll give up, what you'll do is
1:26:41you'll breathe, and the water will go to
1:26:43your lungs, which will harm you. So, the
1:26:44instructors are trained not to let that
1:26:46happen. They know when is the moment
1:26:49you're about to give up. Yeah, I'm about
1:26:49to give up. So, they'll pull you out.
1:26:52So, we that is how we test an individual
1:26:55to their limits.
1:26:56Because when the difficult situations
1:26:58will arise, the enemy will not be your
1:27:00friend.
1:27:02You might have seen in the documentary
1:27:03which has recently come up in Netflix of
1:27:06the Air Force when
1:27:08you know, like
1:27:10fighter pilot landed across, and he was
1:27:12held hostage by the
1:27:14neighbors, right?
1:27:16So, they they don't let you go easily.
1:27:18They want to take out the information.
1:27:19Will you reveal the secrets?
1:27:21Will you give up that my life is more
1:27:24important to me than my country or my
1:27:25secrets?
1:27:26So, we want those individuals who are
1:27:28able to hold it as long as possible. So,
1:27:32I would tell you
1:27:34special forces are specially trained,
1:27:37motivated
1:27:39people
1:27:40who are
1:27:42trained for a specific cause and a
1:27:44specific purpose. Say, for example, I'll
1:27:46give you a thing.
1:27:47There are you found like this come to
1:27:50news and you found that there are
1:27:53you know, like enemies or the terrorists
1:27:54inside some at some place. Anywhere. Can
1:27:57be anywhere or something has come up,
1:27:59and the infantry's fighting them. Or any
1:28:01force, any army organization, any unit
1:28:03is fighting them. But how well trained
1:28:07the
1:28:08terrorists are or how the situation goes
1:28:11ahead, how [snorts] the difficult it
1:28:12becomes.
1:28:14There are There have been certain
1:28:15instances where
1:28:17the regular army is not able to fight
1:28:19with them because they are not specially
1:28:21trained in that environment. They don't
1:28:22have special weapons, special mindset,
1:28:24special training. Although they are
1:28:26capable, but sometimes it so happens
1:28:28that the situation goes out of hand.
1:28:30That is when we come in.
1:28:32So, we are always available on call with
1:28:34the commanders. These are commanders
1:28:37par. On call we are available.
1:28:39You come in, so we
1:28:41get in the hectors,
1:28:43go there, finish our work
1:28:46as early as possible because we are
1:28:47specialized in that. Like uh I'm from
1:28:50the four I was in the four para SF.
1:28:52So, [snorts] we are permanently in J&K.
1:28:55And we are called the daggers. So, we've
1:28:57been like serving in that area for a
1:28:59long while. We have developed our
1:29:01skills, our habits accordingly.
1:29:04So, that is how, you know, we the
1:29:06difference comes in when things go bad,
1:29:09things go out of hand, or some something
1:29:11special has to come up.
1:29:12>> Right.
1:29:13>> The special forces are called.
1:29:14>> What is special about mighty daggers?
1:29:16>> We have done good operations. You might
1:29:19have recently heard about operation
1:29:22uh Mahadev, the revenge for the
1:29:24Pahalgam.
1:29:25Uh our home uh our home minister had uh
1:29:27informed in the parliament taken the
1:29:29name that, you know, the four para
1:29:31special forces were able to neutralize
1:29:33the terrorist who have done the Pahalgam
1:29:36incident. So, that is one major
1:29:38operation which we have recently
1:29:39everyone is aware of.
1:29:41Uh
1:29:42so,
1:29:43yeah, that was a one very good operation
1:29:45we have done. And similar sort of things
1:29:48goes on. These are counterinsurgency,
1:29:50counterterrorism operations. Then
1:29:52depends upon the requirement of the
1:29:53government and the requirement of the
1:29:55higher commanders. We are at the
1:29:57discretionary bars. We do things which
1:29:59normally the organization or the
1:30:01military people won't do.
1:30:02>> What is the What is the most dangerous
1:30:04operation you have done?
1:30:05>> So, there was this thing where we were
1:30:07walking and
1:30:09a lot of jungles
1:30:11and
1:30:13Yeah, we have met some friends.
1:30:16>> Friends?
1:30:17>> Yeah, and
1:30:19who wanted to visit us.
1:30:20So, we had to stop them. And we stopped
1:30:22them and we successfully came back.
1:30:24Yeah, I think that is the best I can
1:30:27>> [laughter]
1:30:27>> But yeah, it was fun. It's a good
1:30:28learning. It's a
1:30:29>> Was it Was it the cave operation, the
1:30:31terrorists and stuff?
1:30:32>> Oh, no. So, it happened the cave
1:30:33operation had recently happened. It
1:30:35happened in I think February this year.
1:30:38And it was also done by our unit. So,
1:30:40the cave operation we
1:30:41>> What was the cave operation? What was in
1:30:43>> The The terrorists were hiding in the
1:30:45cave and uh there were three uh two to
1:30:48three terrorists in the cave hiding and
1:30:50the operation was conducted by our unit
1:30:52in
1:30:53in like in like together with the other
1:30:56units and the police forces. It was a
1:30:59mixture of all the agencies involved,
1:31:02but yes, it was done by us.
1:31:04And
1:31:06uh the three terrorists were hiding
1:31:07inside the cave. We had surrounded them.
1:31:08They were not able to leave, so we had
1:31:09to
1:31:10get
1:31:12them uh get close to them as close as
1:31:14possible and neutralize them. So, we
1:31:16were successfully able to neutralize
1:31:17them and we got all them all we killed
1:31:19all of them.
1:31:20>> So, neutralize is killing?
1:31:22>> Yeah.
1:31:23Neutralize
1:31:24>> You you use You use word neutralize.
1:31:26>> Yeah, it's a military lingo.
1:31:28>> Is it elimination name? Elimination
1:31:30>> to elimination, neutralization.
1:31:33>> They're all same.
1:31:33>> All same.
1:31:34Uh it's a military lingo.
1:31:35>> Eliminate the threat, neutralize the
1:31:37terrorist, assimilate
1:31:39>> Yes.
1:31:40>> the target. All of these are same.
1:31:42>> Yes.
1:31:42>> Just different
1:31:44>> uh the meaning is same. The essence is
1:31:45same. The words, of course, the words
1:31:47are different.
1:31:48>> Okay, so the way a police would use
1:31:50encounter, yes, you would use
1:31:52neutralize.
1:31:52>> We would say neutralize.
1:31:55We would say We won't say kill the
1:31:57terrorist. We
1:31:58>> Do you guys have special weapons for it
1:32:00which is different than army?
1:32:01>> Yes, we have specialized weapons. That
1:32:03is we have specialized training,
1:32:05specialized equipments, and specialized
1:32:07weapons.
1:32:07>> Give me one or two equipments or
1:32:09weapons that you have which is special
1:32:11to only you.
1:32:13>> Tavor
1:32:14rifle.
1:32:15>> Tavor is Israeli, right?
1:32:18>> Tavor is Israeli. That's a 5.56 mm
1:32:21rifle.
1:32:22That is a specialized rifle
1:32:25which was given to the Para SF.
1:32:27It was not with the It is still not with
1:32:29the regular
1:32:30uh army
1:32:32troops.
1:32:32>> The The bottom line is that we need to
1:32:34be We need to stop relying on other
1:32:37countries.
1:32:37>> and be self-sufficient. I think the
1:32:39government has started this a very good
1:32:41thing of Make in India initiative.
1:32:44We are now being self-sufficient for all
1:32:46these things.
1:32:47>> Interesting. And
1:32:49Okay, coming back to the operations,
1:32:51right? Tell me one operation which
1:32:53you're really proud of. Maybe yours,
1:32:55maybe Indian army's, maybe Para SF,
1:32:57which is out there in public and you can
1:32:58tell and you can talk about.
1:33:00>> No, I think I think everyone is aware of
1:33:02what happened in the surgical strikes.
1:33:03We had gone
1:33:04uh across. We've been doing it for a
1:33:06while like
1:33:08although we claimed it now in the public
1:33:10media, but we've been doing it for for a
1:33:12very long time.
1:33:13We have been openly accepting that we
1:33:15have been doing it.
1:33:15>> [snorts]
1:33:16>> So, it was told to the general public
1:33:18that we have done this. But people have
1:33:20been doing it since ages.
1:33:22It was never told or shown anywhere. Now
1:33:24it is shown. It's a very good thing.
1:33:26>> Which agency do you respect the most?
1:33:29>> Uh
1:33:30as in
1:33:31>> Which agency in India?
1:33:32>> Okay. I respect all agencies.
1:33:34>> Obviously you respect all, but do you
1:33:35like some agency you're like these guys
1:33:38are
1:33:39way
1:33:41beyond
1:33:43or these guys are like way better than
1:33:45what we think of. Let's say there's IB,
1:33:48there's RAW, there is military
1:33:51intelligence, there is uh
1:33:53the army, the air force, the navy. You
1:33:56have Then there have Marcos, then you
1:33:58have
1:33:59you know, para SF and then you have like
1:34:00Greyhounds of small state police as
1:34:02well.
1:34:03>> Yes, yes. So, I understand your
1:34:04question, but I I know like I would say
1:34:07everyone has their own
1:34:09the best in their own charter.
1:34:11>> Of course.
1:34:12>> You can't ask a Garud
1:34:14the special forces of Air Force to
1:34:16operate in mountains or you know, like
1:34:18Marcos to operate in mountains.
1:34:21But yes, I am a fan of Marcos operating
1:34:23in the ambushes
1:34:26or the operation where you know, like
1:34:27they've carried out a good operations
1:34:29recently, Marcos. I'm very fond of that.
1:34:33But given a circumstance where they have
1:34:35to come up in the north and fight in the
1:34:36mountain, they won't be able to do that.
1:34:38And similarly happens with the security
1:34:40agencies like the IB and the RAW and
1:34:43the all agencies rest all agencies which
1:34:45are involved, the military intelligence
1:34:46and all. They are specialized in their
1:34:48domains.
1:34:49I like the way of functioning of
1:34:51everyone because it helps me grow. I
1:34:53what my best
1:34:55I think I like one thing about me is I
1:34:57observe everyone and I take out good
1:34:59things for myself.
1:35:00>> Of course.
1:35:01>> So, coming to the organizations part, I
1:35:03like the way how intelligence agencies
1:35:06get the input.
1:35:07Okay, they they get the input, collect
1:35:09it and come down to conclusion and give
1:35:11it away. Like tell it to the people like
1:35:14us,
1:35:15this is the final confirmed input. You
1:35:17go and do it. So, I like the way they
1:35:18collect input. So, I learn it. I use it.
1:35:22So, we involve these things into our own
1:35:26function which will help us improve.
1:35:28So, as if you would ask me what is your
1:35:30favorite, I don't have any favorite.
1:35:32>> Mhm.
1:35:32>> I like all of them. All the agencies are
1:35:35the best in their domains, but what I do
1:35:38is I always imbibe good things which I
1:35:40am lacking or I know these are my
1:35:41weaknesses.
1:35:42>> I'm not asking favorite. I'm saying
1:35:44which agency do you feel is way smarter
1:35:47than you thought? Like you just you were
1:35:48blown away by the way they function. I'm
1:35:50not asking how they function, what they
1:35:52do, nothing. Everything is confidential,
1:35:53I understand.
1:35:55But someone who or some agency or some
1:35:57individual who impressed you a lot from
1:35:59some agency.
1:36:02I like these guys are
1:36:05>> Uh I like the Marcos.
1:36:08If you want me to say for example, I
1:36:10like the Marcos.
1:36:11>> They're way smarter in the
1:36:13>> in the areas where the water is there.
1:36:16And they're way smarter than us even
1:36:17though we also do the water war water
1:36:19war operations, but they're specialized
1:36:20in water war and they're in the way they
1:36:23function, their drill. And similarly for
1:36:25the intelligence agencies, uh domestic
1:36:27intelligence agency, IB is so good.
1:36:29>> IB is good.
1:36:30>> Uh IB is good, yes.
1:36:32IB is doing good.
1:36:34>> You love the way what they're doing.
1:36:35>> the way IB functions.
1:36:37Like I've we've served closely with the
1:36:39IB.
1:36:40And it's on a day-to-day requirement
1:36:43basis, but the way they function is
1:36:44good.
1:36:45>> You like this? You like that we're
1:36:46getting aggressive?
1:36:47>> Yes.
1:36:48If you play with us, we'll get
1:36:50aggressive. That's a good thought. From
1:36:53I would say from a reactive
1:36:56>> Mhm.
1:36:57>> defense posture, we have come down to a
1:37:00proactive and deterrence-based defense
1:37:03posture.
1:37:04You play with us,
1:37:06we will show you who we are.
1:37:08If you don't play with us, you be cool,
1:37:10you do your work, we do our work. We'll
1:37:11not unnecessarily poke you. But please
1:37:14do not poke us. Don't do bad things to
1:37:16us. We do not aim or think of doing bad
1:37:19to you.
1:37:20If you play wrong with us, do wrong with
1:37:22us, you're going to get double. And I
1:37:24think everyone now in the country has
1:37:27have seen it from their own eyes in the
1:37:28past, I would say 8 to 10 years, what we
1:37:31have done.
1:37:32>> True. True. Do you train yourself to
1:37:35become more alert?
1:37:36>> Yes.
1:37:37>> How?
1:37:38>> So every habit
1:37:41an individual does, it shows a
1:37:43particular trait of them.
1:37:44>> Mhm.
1:37:45>> I won't I won't name it. It's It's
1:37:47different from I My perception would be
1:37:49different than your perception. Maybe
1:37:51I'm having a glass of water with my left
1:37:53hand.
1:37:54It's normal for you, but I'm noticing
1:37:56that you're you're having a cup of glass
1:37:58from left hand. But, there comes a day
1:38:01when you're having now with the right
1:38:02hand. So, you were playing with me
1:38:04before, or maybe your motive was
1:38:06different. I'm just alert.
1:38:08Are you Are you planning to do something
1:38:10wrong? You alert because I've been in a
1:38:12situation where I have to think
1:38:14everything is going to go wrong.
1:38:15I'm prepared for the wrong. That what to
1:38:17only want to know.
1:38:19So, if I'm prepared, nothing can go
1:38:21wrong because I'm functioning towards
1:38:22that.
1:38:23>> True.
1:38:24>> Yeah. That is how we've trained been
1:38:25trained.
1:38:26>> But, do you train your
1:38:28Is there a special training routine for
1:38:30eye movement or something that you do
1:38:32and practice every day?
1:38:33>> No, there's no practice, but it's a
1:38:35continuous training.
1:38:36>> Like sports [clears throat] people,
1:38:37right? Like if you look at specially F1,
1:38:40they have a routine for training their
1:38:42eyes.
1:38:43And they have reaction training.
1:38:45>> Yes, of course.
1:38:46>> So, they they do all of these as a
1:38:47training routine.
1:38:48>> Okay.
1:38:49>> And so many more sports all around the
1:38:51world. Like fencing people do this a
1:38:54lot.
1:38:55>> And they have to do it or else the fence
1:38:56would just come in. So, do you do that
1:38:59as well?
1:38:59>> Let me give you an example.
1:39:01I think an example will be a good hair,
1:39:03you know?
1:39:04So, during our probation,
1:39:06uh
1:39:07when there is almost 30 kg in the back
1:39:10and a log of 20 kg on a shoulder,
1:39:14and you have the weapon and equipments.
1:39:16So, almost you're roughly carrying
1:39:18around 80 70 kg on yourself.
1:39:20You're deprived of water. You're
1:39:22deprived of food for a longer period.
1:39:24And you're deprived of sleep for 30 40
1:39:26days now.
1:39:27This is stress phase I'm talking about,
1:39:29okay?
1:39:30And then you're made to take a walk
1:39:34roughly around a kilometer in a circular
1:39:35route. The route is circular.
1:39:38While you're doing this, and you're
1:39:39lifting weights on you,
1:39:42uh in between random places there are
1:39:44things kept.
1:39:46Say for example, we keep this helmet
1:39:48behind the tree.
1:39:50I am walking this route. There's a tree
1:39:52on my right and there's a blue helmet
1:39:53lying on the car.
1:39:55And when that finishes, there's a test.
1:39:57What did you observe?
1:39:59That is how we train ourselves.
1:40:01This is This is there in that
1:40:02documentary. It is evidently people have
1:40:04seen it. I'm sure people a lot of people
1:40:05might might have seen that documentary
1:40:08on [snorts] Discovery. So, this is just
1:40:09one example I just gave. That is how we
1:40:11train ourselves.
1:40:14>> But on a day regular basis also, do you
1:40:16train like this?
1:40:17>> A lot of things.
1:40:18>> You have your regular trainings up
1:40:20because once you have trained for that,
1:40:22after that how are you in touch with all
1:40:23of these things?
1:40:24>> We need to be regularly trained.
1:40:26One Why we are called specialized
1:40:29forces? Because of the training we do.
1:40:32Every day
1:40:34of ours
1:40:37is exciteful, eventful, and full of
1:40:40learning.
1:40:41We [clears throat] do training every
1:40:43day. There has not been a single day in
1:40:45the unit in the special forces that I've
1:40:47like just gone to office, worked, and
1:40:49come back.
1:40:51I'm doing something. Snake handling,
1:40:54uh
1:40:55dog handling, weapon handling,
1:40:58learning new skills. I'm just improving
1:41:01my skills. If I know how to drink water,
1:41:03I'm learning new ways to drink water
1:41:05which might come helpful for me in some
1:41:08situations.
1:41:09So, our training never stops.
1:41:12That is why we are in
1:41:14our brain is actually made to function
1:41:17and think in a particular way.
1:41:18Key as a whole sector be prepared.
1:41:20And then device contingencies, practice
1:41:23when you are in peace, and prepare for
1:41:25the worst. So, you never fail.
1:41:27It's a no fail training we have.
1:41:31>> Do you
1:41:34Do you get trained
1:41:36by turning for turning anything into a
1:41:38weapon. Survival instinct.
1:41:40We generate the survival instinct in an
1:41:43individual.
1:41:44If you're left with no weapon, say for
1:41:46example, they make me sit here.
1:41:48>> Mhm.
1:41:49>> You know? And then someone my enemy for
1:41:53example comes from either side wherever
1:41:55the door is, they come inside. And now I
1:41:57have to fight.
1:41:58How will I fight?
1:42:00Or he's going to kill me. The enemy is
1:42:01going to kill me. I have to live. I have
1:42:04to live and I have to go back meet my
1:42:05family.
1:42:06What will I do?
1:42:08That fear is embarked. It is given to us
1:42:13that fear. So we our survival instinct
1:42:16comes up naturally. It's a human it's a
1:42:18human instinct tendency.
1:42:20You try it with yourself or you know
1:42:22like anyone can try it for themselves.
1:42:24Survival instinct will definitely come
1:42:26up.
1:42:26And we need to generate that. The moment
1:42:29it is there, you will turn everything
1:42:31into a weapon.
1:42:32>> So what in the room can be the most
1:42:33lethal weapons? Tell me top three.
1:42:35>> Pen.
1:42:36>> Okay.
1:42:37>> It's the easiest weapon you can
1:42:39you yourself your hands are the lethal
1:42:42weapons.
1:42:42>> Mhm.
1:42:43>> We've been trained. There are specific
1:42:45points in your body with just one pinch
1:42:48you become incapable of movements. They
1:42:51can make you lie down.
1:42:53So the making things as a weapon is
1:42:56secondary when you know like your your
1:42:58enemy in front of you has something.
1:43:01If they are bare hands, you don't need a
1:43:02weapon.
1:43:03We have been trained in such a way we
1:43:05can use our hands and like hands and
1:43:06like our body
1:43:08to put them down.
1:43:09But if you have to ask me, I would the
1:43:11easiest thing I would go for in this
1:43:12room is a pen.
1:43:13>> Mhm.
1:43:14And then so pen, what else? What let's
1:43:16say two more things.
1:43:18>> Uh
1:43:19I can use this helmet as a weapon.
1:43:20>> Ah that's a that's a good weapon.
1:43:22>> It's a good weapon. I can use this
1:43:24coffee mug as a good weapon.
1:43:25>> How can you use this as a good weapon?
1:43:27>> It has a coffee inside.
1:43:29>> Mhm.
1:43:29>> So to disable him to fight, I'll first
1:43:32throw the coffee.
1:43:34And then moment he's washing hot thing
1:43:36and he'll be in a you know like
1:43:39a taken aback state.
1:43:40He's now weak in front of me. I can use
1:43:42my arms. Even if I can you know like use
1:43:44this coffee mug and put him on his
1:43:47throat.
1:43:48>> [snorts]
1:43:49>> It'll affect a big effect on his body.
1:43:51Shock. Or use it anywhere on his body.
1:43:54Important organs I can target.
1:43:57I'll not be able to kill with this
1:43:59coffee mug, but I'll be able to
1:44:01lower him down.
1:44:03Take him back so that he doesn't have
1:44:05100% aggression towards me. And I can
1:44:07use that towards against him.
1:44:10>> What's what's the difference between the
1:44:12mindset that you have
1:44:13or
1:44:15a civilian's mindset? Like compare
1:44:17civilian mindset versus a special force
1:44:20mindset.
1:44:23>> Okay. Well, there's a I think there's a
1:44:27The
1:44:28what a mindset is people think that the
1:44:31fauji fauji mindset or a military
1:44:33mindset is
1:44:34that you know it it is aggressive, it is
1:44:37disciplined, and it is non-emotional.
1:44:41This is fauji mi- military mindset. But
1:44:44it's not military mindset. It These are
1:44:45the
1:44:46These are some part maybe some small
1:44:48little bit parts of the military
1:44:50mindset, but the major chunk of the
1:44:51military mindset is
1:44:54be prepared. Being prepared
1:44:57for the things you're not ready for.
1:44:59Being prepared for that day when you're
1:45:01not ready for.
1:45:02Okay. So, you know like
1:45:05you assess the situation. We always
1:45:07there's in back of my head I'm always
1:45:09thinking what can go wrong in this
1:45:11situation. What can go wrong. So,
1:45:14situational awareness
1:45:16is the one you Okay, I would say if I
1:45:18have to explain it to you I would break
1:45:19down into pillars. Okay? Pillars of
1:45:22mindset to for easier understanding of
1:45:24both of us. Pillars of mindset. military
1:45:27mindset. So, military mindset first
1:45:29pillar I just said, situational
1:45:31awareness.
1:45:32>> Okay.
1:45:33>> I need to be sure of
1:45:34>> Mhm.
1:45:35>> what is the situation around me, what
1:45:37can go wrong, what can I use.
1:45:40>> Mhm.
1:45:40>> Like you just asked, what can I use as a
1:45:42weapon? That is situational awareness.
1:45:44What can go wrong, that is situational
1:45:46awareness. What can be beneficial for me
1:45:48is a situational awareness. And then
1:45:50take a decision based on That is the
1:45:52first pillar.
1:45:54Other can be the emotional discipline.
1:45:57Which differs a military mindset
1:45:59>> Okay. [snorts]
1:46:00>> from
1:46:02a civilian mindset, emotional
1:46:03discipline.
1:46:04>> Mhm.
1:46:05>> Now people, you know, like in the
1:46:06civilian world, they take it against
1:46:08that
1:46:09the military people are emotionless.
1:46:11They are not emotionless. We have
1:46:13emotions, we are humans. We also carry
1:46:14emotions.
1:46:15But we have been trained in such a way
1:46:17that they are suppressed. They are made
1:46:19to suppress.
1:46:20Because with emotions people do
1:46:22mistakes, and we can't afford to have
1:46:24mistakes.
1:46:26So, emotional discipline,
1:46:28not react immediately reacting
1:46:29situations,
1:46:31uh thinking before saying something,
1:46:33take a pause.
1:46:36It's It's It makes a big difference. In
1:46:38aggression, in happiness, in a state of
1:46:40happiness or sadness or aggression, you
1:46:42take a pause. 3 seconds.
1:46:45I take 3 seconds. The rule is 4 seconds
1:46:47pause. I take 3 seconds pause. And it
1:46:49makes me think, and I end up having a
1:46:52taking a good decision.
1:46:54This was a second, you know, like
1:46:56pillar.
1:46:57Third would be
1:47:00team mindset.
1:47:01>> Mhm.
1:47:02>> Always work in teams.
1:47:04It helps you grow.
1:47:06Uh if for example, me, I have you as my
1:47:09friend or my teammate.
1:47:10And I think that uh
1:47:12let's go do this. I might be wrong,
1:47:14because for me it's good.
1:47:16It's always good to have a team member.
1:47:19Speak to someone, discuss with someone,
1:47:21have their opinion.
1:47:22They can help you.
1:47:24You will They will help you not go wrong
1:47:26if they are your team members. Build
1:47:28that trust, build that confidence. That
1:47:30is the difference between a military
1:47:31mindset and civilian mindset.
1:47:33Teamwork.
1:47:34They The things are there in the
1:47:36corporate world.
1:47:38They also have teams. People in the
1:47:40outside civilian life also make teams.
1:47:42But, what matters is the trust and the
1:47:44confidence in that team.
1:47:47And helping each other grow.
1:47:49This is the third. What else would be
1:47:51there?
1:47:52We have spoken about emotional part.
1:47:55>> Situational awareness.
1:47:56>> Situational awareness.
1:47:56>> Team mindset.
1:47:57>> Uh team mindset. And the third will be
1:48:00fourth will be. Oh, sorry. Uh the fourth
1:48:02can be
1:48:04you know,
1:48:10analyzing and after action review.
1:48:14It's another pillar of your mindset.
1:48:17After action review.
1:48:19>> Mhm.
1:48:20>> Whatever you've done, review it. We
1:48:23review it.
1:48:24Our mind is prepared
1:48:26in such a way that we Whatever we do, we
1:48:29always review it.
1:48:31So that we know the mistakes. We know,
1:48:33of course. If I'm doing something, I
1:48:35know where I lack. I know where are my
1:48:37limitations, boundaries. I'm not able to
1:48:39do that.
1:48:41If I go back and review that,
1:48:43next time when I start doing it again, I
1:48:46overcome my weaknesses. After action
1:48:49review. It's another pillar of this
1:48:50mindset.
1:48:51>> Got it.
1:48:51>> So, there are certain pillars of
1:48:53military mindset which differs a
1:48:54military mind from a civilian mind. I
1:48:56think these four have been
1:49:00on a broader aspect. If you would ask,
1:49:02this is the difference between a
1:49:03military mindset.
1:49:04>> See, there's one more thing, which is
1:49:06fearlessness.
1:49:07>> Yes.
1:49:07>> You guys are fearless. How can somebody
1:49:11become dangerously fearless?
1:49:15>> Uh okay. We are not fearless.
1:49:18Practically saying, we also fear.
1:49:21But, we
1:49:22are trained in such a way during our
1:49:25training time over a longer period.
1:49:28>> Mhm.
1:49:28>> Okay, let me give you an example is we
1:49:30are put under controlled
1:49:34stressful, fearful situations
1:49:37to train our mind so that it does not
1:49:39panic when the situation actual
1:49:41situation comes up.
1:49:43So, the NDA was 3 years.
1:49:45>> Mhm.
1:49:46>> IMA was 1 year. 4 years of training.
1:49:49Special forces training.
1:49:51While all this and regular training
1:49:53which I'm doing in the special forces,
1:49:54my mind is being trained
1:49:57that everything will go bad, everything
1:49:59will go wrong. I will fear. I'm a human.
1:50:01We are fearful, right? We We do get
1:50:04scared. We We fear
1:50:06because it's a human human instinct. You
1:50:07can't die kill it. But, it is
1:50:10suppressed.
1:50:12We keep on adding layers and layers and
1:50:14layers over it so that it is somewhere
1:50:17in the back of the corner.
1:50:19When the thing actually comes up, you're
1:50:21not thinking about what can go wrong,
1:50:23but you're actually thinking on how to
1:50:24counter it.
1:50:26I'll give you an example, okay?
1:50:28In one of the incidents happened when I
1:50:31was up there in the north.
1:50:33So, I was I ended up in a situation
1:50:36where my heart I could feel my heart
1:50:39pumping.
1:50:39>> Mhm.
1:50:40>> Right? I could feel I'm with my team
1:50:42walking somewhere.
1:50:43I could feel my heart pumping. Something
1:50:45happened.
1:50:46>> Mhm.
1:50:46>> And I was stuck.
1:50:47>> Mhm.
1:50:48>> And I was new in that area, new walking
1:50:50with my team. I could hear my people
1:50:52calling on my radio, "Up here. Up here.
1:50:54Up here." Cuz we are stuck now. Anything
1:50:57can go wrong here. If I don't take a
1:50:58call
1:50:59>> Mhm.
1:50:59>> a normal call or a good call,
1:51:02they we may cost lives.
1:51:03>> Mhm.
1:51:04>> I could hear my heartbeat.
1:51:06And the only thing which came to my mind
1:51:08was that I have to go back and see my
1:51:09family.
1:51:11I got scared.
1:51:13I I could hear people asking me "Up
1:51:14here?"
1:51:16but I was not able to take that call
1:51:17because that fear came up. Oh
1:51:20Up here.
1:51:21But now I was trained in a particular
1:51:23way that even if it comes up you think
1:51:25of something you have a hope.
1:51:28My only hope was that I need to go back
1:51:30and see my family. I want to see my mom.
1:51:33And to go back and eat food with her,
1:51:35see my mom, I have to handle this.
1:51:39And then I pushed it back my fear.
1:51:41Shook myself and I come back to your
1:51:44senses and take a call. We took a call
1:51:46and all this happened in less than a
1:51:48minute.
1:51:49That is how my mind was trained.
1:51:51And we all came back safe.
1:51:53And even we had good fun but we all came
1:51:56back safe.
1:51:57It was a good adventure we had.
1:51:58>> See you talk about you've trained your
1:52:00mind.
1:52:00>> Yes.
1:52:01>> Training your mind. How can somebody
1:52:03train their mind to achieve impossible?
1:52:06>> Let's uh talk about this in a
1:52:09And like giving you examples would help
1:52:11you also understand what I want to say
1:52:13here is
1:52:14you have
1:52:16a goal.
1:52:17You have an aim or you have aspirations.
1:52:20All these are somewhat somewhere
1:52:22similar. Goals, aims and aspirations.
1:52:25If you don't fight for your goal
1:52:27>> Mhm.
1:52:29>> if you don't
1:52:30you know, have that struggle
1:52:32to be there where you wanted to be or
1:52:35have what you wanted to have
1:52:37you will never enjoy when the final
1:52:38moment comes.
1:52:40So training yourself
1:52:43in a particular way where you accept
1:52:45defeat, you accept the worst things can
1:52:47go wrong with you
1:52:49will help you sail through it easily.
1:52:51Uh particular life experience,
1:52:54NDA.
1:52:55I'll I'll share that experience. I was a
1:52:58I mean I studied in like public school
1:53:00and then went to NDA.
1:53:02And I was shocked. I've never been in a
1:53:03[clears throat] boarding school before.
1:53:05And then I was I wanted to wear the
1:53:07uniform. That was my end goal.
1:53:10But my mind was not trained to accept
1:53:13the life changes which I was going
1:53:15through.
1:53:16>> [clears throat]
1:53:16>> What kept me alive or what made me go
1:53:18through that was my
1:53:21aim or the goal that I foresee myself in
1:53:24the uniform. If I have to give my blood
1:53:27and sweat today, I will give it because
1:53:30and every and I used to do it every
1:53:31night
1:53:32before, you know, early morning when you
1:53:34used to go to wash or when she wash
1:53:35herself, I used to look in the mirror
1:53:38and see that child who thought of
1:53:39wearing that uniform.
1:53:41And if I don't wear that uniform, what
1:53:42will that child think of me?
1:53:44Oh, you gave up so easily?
1:53:47All right, ho gaya bus. When life go
1:53:49hard upon you, it went hard on you, you
1:53:51just gave up. You can't.
1:53:53So, that that that that gave me
1:53:56confidence. That gave me support
1:53:58to do it.
1:53:59>> Everyday you would visualize yourself
1:54:01doing this.
1:54:01>> Yes. Everyday, 3 years everyday I
1:54:04visualized myself. I've cried by myself,
1:54:07alone looking myself in the mirror. I've
1:54:09cried. Why Why did I take this call? Why
1:54:11am I not My friends on the outside
1:54:13world, they were sleep not sleeping but
1:54:15they were enjoying a normal life. They
1:54:17were able to go back to their families.
1:54:19As kids, I'm saying what 16 17-year-old
1:54:21child. 17-year-old child away from their
1:54:24family, sleepless nights, continuous
1:54:26training.
1:54:28Cut off from the way world, cut off from
1:54:29his friends and made to do rigorous
1:54:31training.
1:54:33And who was never, you know, like raised
1:54:35in this environment. How will he accept
1:54:37it?
1:54:38And then sabse bura to tab lagta tha,
1:54:40you know, like thinking about oh, my
1:54:42friends, they're going to college,
1:54:44enjoying the life, coming back, learning
1:54:46good experiences. Outside world gives
1:54:48you a different exposure. While I'm in
1:54:50this boundary wall, no not able to
1:54:52sleep, not able to speak to my mother.
1:54:54Even to speak to my home, I had to stand
1:54:56in a queue of 100 people.
1:54:58On that one Sunday. And when the time
1:55:01came when I got that phone in my hand
1:55:05uh 2 minutes was all I could speak
1:55:07because there's another one who's
1:55:08standing who wants to speak to his
1:55:09parents.
1:55:11So, you know, like these hardships
1:55:13were the reasons that were pulling me
1:55:15back, but the you know, like every day I
1:55:17used to see myself in a in the mirror or
1:55:19wherever, not in the mirror, actually in
1:55:21the laptop screen also. We're giving
1:55:23laptops uh in the NDA to study. There's
1:55:27a study material set of study material.
1:55:29We only see that. So, you know, like you
1:55:31just turn off the screen on that black
1:55:33thing you can see your face. I used to
1:55:35see that, think of what decision I've
1:55:37taken, but also think of what that child
1:55:40wanted to wear.
1:55:42And for that child I fought all my life.
1:55:45>> Mhm. [snorts]
1:55:46>> I've given my blood, I've given my
1:55:47sweat, everything, even not for me. In
1:55:49fact, all people, all the military
1:55:51people who've gone through this, they've
1:55:53all done that.
1:55:55So, that is how you train your mind. You
1:55:57have if you have your goals and
1:55:59aspirations fixed.
1:56:00>> Yeah.
1:56:02>> And you want [snorts] to prove yourself
1:56:03wrong by not giving up, you will not
1:56:06give up.
1:56:07>> Interesting. Was this the child that
1:56:09we're talking about?
1:56:10>> Yeah, this is the child.
1:56:12>> When you were this small, you thought of
1:56:14actually
1:56:14>> you know, I was born in summer.
1:56:17>> Mhm.
1:56:18>> And I since my childhood, even before
1:56:21that, I was in army school.
1:56:23>> Mhm.
1:56:23>> The nearest school was army school. My
1:56:25parents got me in the army school and
1:56:27I've since, you know, like much younger
1:56:28to this, pre-nursery age, I've seen the
1:56:32military people moving around.
1:56:34Uniform people, much fun so we take it.
1:56:38So, I always fight for this boy who's
1:56:40standing with his father looking in the
1:56:42camera with confidence.
1:56:43And you know, like when my father looks
1:56:45at me right now, he's happy that what he
1:56:48wanted to do has done it. Since child
1:56:50I've always dreamed of uniform, uniform.
1:56:52>> Yeah.
1:56:53>> And I'm here. I'm always fighting for
1:56:54this child.
1:56:56And I'm happy to see myself people.
1:56:58>> Will Will the child be proud of you?
1:57:00>> Yes, of course. I am I know that he's
1:57:02proud.
1:57:03>> Mhm. You You changed your name.
1:57:06>> No, I did not change my name. It was a
1:57:08surname which was added. So, it was
1:57:10>> What What is that? Like it's everywhere
1:57:12that you change your name.
1:57:13>> So, it was My name was Rishabh Singh.
1:57:15Mhm. And the surname wasn't added
1:57:17Sambyal. Sambyal is a community from
1:57:19Samba.
1:57:19>> Okay.
1:57:20>> So, the community name was not added.
1:57:21So, name is Rishabh Singh. My name has
1:57:23not changed. The surname has added. Mhm.
1:57:25So, now the people have started speaking
1:57:26about that you've changed your name. I
1:57:28can't and I don't know. It's like since
1:57:30my childhood my name has been Rishabh.
1:57:32>> Okay.
1:57:33>> Rishabh is not Rishabh is my name.
1:57:34Sambyal is not my name. It's the
1:57:36community I belong to.
1:57:38>> You have an incredible
1:57:39bond with our president. Right? It's
1:57:42Like a lot of people say mother-son duo.
1:57:45You're like very close. You'd be seen
1:57:47taking, you know, putting an umbrella.
1:57:50Like do you bunch of things that you do?
1:57:51Like being very gentle to her.
1:57:54And the bond is unreal. And you also
1:57:56tell that you guys are very close.
1:57:58What is this bond? How did you get so
1:58:00close? What happened?
1:58:02>> I don't know. I think this is how my
1:58:04mother raised me, I think. Because
1:58:06coming to Delhi when I
1:58:09I became the ADC to the president, I was
1:58:11selected as an ADC to the president. The
1:58:12first time I s-
1:58:14met the president, it felt like my
1:58:17mother is standing in front of me.
1:58:19It It had been like I left home in 2013,
1:58:222014 I started with NDA. Since 2014 I've
1:58:26never lived with my mom.
1:58:28>> [clears throat]
1:58:29>> I always used to go back home for a
1:58:31couple of days, live with her and then
1:58:33again bye-bye for next 6-7 months and
1:58:35then see her after 6 months. But, this
1:58:37was the actual time
1:58:39when I was spending my entire 3 years
1:58:41with the president.
1:58:42>> Mhm.
1:58:44>> The nature she has
1:58:46was very homely.
1:58:48And I I I just built a connection. I
1:58:51always looked her as my as the president
1:58:54of India, of course, but I always felt
1:58:57comfortable
1:58:58with her, talking to her, understanding
1:59:01what she thinks, how she functions as a
1:59:04human being.
1:59:05And the warmth which she showed upon us,
1:59:08like to me and to all the ADC's, it was
1:59:10wonderful.
1:59:11And it used to make me miss my mom. So,
1:59:14if you know, like I I was walking the
1:59:16the picture with the umbrella along with
1:59:18the president. So, I was walking with
1:59:20the president, it was it started
1:59:21raining. I didn't do Had it been my
1:59:23mother, I would have taken the umbrella
1:59:25and shown it to her. And nobody taught
1:59:27me that you also have to hold the
1:59:28umbrella.
1:59:29Or you also have to show it to her. It
1:59:31was just a natural instinct as I would
1:59:33do it for my mother, I just did it for
1:59:35her. Because she has given that comfort,
1:59:37that you know, like comfort space,
1:59:40comfortable space to me.
1:59:42It was all natural instinct. And the
1:59:44more time I spent with her, I used to
1:59:46look up to her.
1:59:48I used to adore her.
1:59:49>> Mhm.
1:59:49>> I was spending more time with her than
1:59:51my mother. So, I used to miss my mother.
1:59:54So, I used to find somewhere she used to
1:59:56be
1:59:57soft on us, she used to teach us. Mom
2:00:00has taught us a lot lot of lessons. All
2:00:02the ADC's who served the honorable
2:00:04president, the current president, in
2:00:06fact, all the presidents. But for the
2:00:08current president, she has taught us a
2:00:10lot of things.
2:00:11>> Mhm.
2:00:11>> So, I felt nice and it all came
2:00:14naturally. Like there was a lot of
2:00:16criticism that you know, from people are
2:00:18holding umbrella, but I I accept it, but
2:00:21it was not a training thing or someone
2:00:23told me to do that or asked me hold that
2:00:25umbrella. It just came. I saw like mom,
2:00:27why should my mother feel get wet in the
2:00:29rain? I just gave her a gave her an
2:00:32umbrella. And
2:00:34>> Then when you have such a good bond,
2:00:35you're learning, you're young,
2:00:38why are you retiring?
2:00:40>> Okay, yeah, so retiring. So, I as a
2:00:44as a son in my family, I have some
2:00:46responsibilities.
2:00:48And uh
2:00:50I never thought of, you know, like
2:00:52how can a child who thought of wearing a
2:00:54uniform
2:00:55and
2:00:56>> [clears throat]
2:00:57>> you know,
2:00:58who always wanted to be at a place where
2:01:01people also look up to him and he also
2:01:04looks up to the to himself
2:01:07now has
2:01:08decided to leave the organization.
2:01:11But
2:01:12I have left this for the people who
2:01:14brought me into this life.
2:01:17I have a responsibility as a son.
2:01:20There are some commitments. There were
2:01:22some commitments and they still are and
2:01:24I have to fulfill them.
2:01:26I had to take a call. I had to make a
2:01:28sacrifice. And what is the biggest
2:01:31sacrifice for your parents than anything
2:01:33else in this world?
2:01:35Had I like I was in a situation where I
2:01:38could take a decision for myself or for
2:01:39my parents. And I didn't I never thought
2:01:41of and I don't want to be a selfish
2:01:45man. I can't take that in my entire life
2:01:47oh
2:01:48I should have done that.
2:01:51I'm here because of them. I'm here for
2:01:53them and for myself.
2:01:55And whatever I've chosen is for myself
2:01:57and for them.
2:01:59People might go sorry, but people might
2:02:01go through
2:02:03different situations in life.
2:02:05And this was not my first instinct that
2:02:07I want to leave.
2:02:09I've I've given my 12 years of life
2:02:12as a child, 16 years child
2:02:15till 30 years of you know, like almost
2:02:1730 coming down to 30.
2:02:19I've given it all
2:02:21to the
2:02:23service of the country. And I'm happy.
2:02:25I'm proud. But when if there are certain
2:02:27requirements at my front where I'm
2:02:30needed, I can't run away just to be
2:02:32here.
2:02:33I have to be responsible towards that
2:02:36also. It was a harsh decision for me.
2:02:39But I had to take a call and
2:02:41I took a call.
2:02:45>> You know, in your service, one thing
2:02:46that you're
2:02:49known for
2:02:50is being a very classy man.
2:02:53I know a lot of people talk about it. A
2:02:54lot of people talk about
2:02:57the kind of character characteristics
2:02:59you show, the way you hold yourself in
2:03:02front of the camera, everywhere, right?
2:03:05The way you just
2:03:07are present. So, I have a I have a very
2:03:09simple question for all the young people
2:03:11who are watching this. So,
2:03:13how can a man carry himself with class?
2:03:16>> Nobody ever taught me how to carry
2:03:18myself.
2:03:20The only thing which I have
2:03:24done is
2:03:25is to look upon people.
2:03:28Read about people. Look upon people. See
2:03:31people doing things.
2:03:32And the only good thing I do is imbibe
2:03:34good qualities from people.
2:03:37Even when I speak to the I The first
2:03:40time I spoke to the president of India,
2:03:42the way she replied back, I liked it.
2:03:45And I actually imbibed it in my behavior
2:03:48to grow as a good human, to learn
2:03:51good things. And I always used to negate
2:03:54the negative. Every human has positive
2:03:57and negatives. [snorts]
2:03:58What I found a funda in life was that
2:04:01I'll always take the positive things.
2:04:03And try and imbibe them. Even if I take
2:04:06For example, I meet 10 people, I'm
2:04:07taking 10 things.
2:04:09And even if [snorts] I'm able to imbibe
2:04:11two,
2:04:12it's an addition.
2:04:13So, I think it also depends upon
2:04:17uh how you are, you know, like raised
2:04:21through that phase of life, when you are
2:04:23actually your mind is actually working,
2:04:25you're thinking about things. It also
2:04:27depends upon that. But
2:04:29I I have not done Nobody trained me to
2:04:31do that. I mean, like it's a it's a
2:04:32normal reply, I would say. Nobody
2:04:34trained me to that. Army never taught
2:04:36trained me that you have to
2:04:37be so carry yourself like that but yes
2:04:40basic
2:04:41instincts basic traits in me are because
2:04:44of the army the training which I've been
2:04:46through.
2:04:47But if like for the people I would just
2:04:49want to tell them that you know like
2:04:51look upon everyone listen to everyone.
2:04:55Find out good things and bad things in
2:04:56everyone it would hardly take 30 minutes
2:04:58of your day.
2:05:00And try and have one good quality from
2:05:02each and see yourself in 5 years you'll
2:05:04be a changed human being.
2:05:06>> So let's let's make it easier for
2:05:07people.
2:05:08>> Yeah.
2:05:09>> Tell me three characteristics.
2:05:11Which every young man should follow.
2:05:15Or which I every young man should have
2:05:17or build themselves.
2:05:21>> Loyalty.
2:05:22>> Okay.
2:05:24>> Forge there's a term in army Nam Namak
2:05:28Nishan.
2:05:29These three things.
2:05:31Everyone knows it I don't need to
2:05:33explain these Nam Namak Nishan.
2:05:36Work for these Nishan
2:05:38in the civil world outside the army can
2:05:40be Nishan for your family.
2:05:42Can be your community can be the
2:05:44organization where you're currently
2:05:45working work for that think proudly
2:05:47think be proud be proud of what you do
2:05:50even if you fail even if you do wrong
2:05:51things accept that.
2:05:53It's you who have done it humans will do
2:05:56error they will do mistakes it's a life
2:05:59it's how we humans are hum se galti we
2:06:01all do mistakes we learn from our
2:06:03mistakes and we
2:06:05we do not repeat it.
2:06:07Best thing Nam Namak Nishan.
2:06:10>> And what is the personal cost that you
2:06:12have paid.
2:06:14To become the ADC to the president.
2:06:17>> Personal cost.
2:06:19I think I've given my childhood.
2:06:22Yeah I can say that I don't know so I
2:06:25never okay I never knew that there's a
2:06:28there's something called as ADC to the I
2:06:30never wanted to be here.
2:06:33uh Uh
2:06:34I was I was in an exercise with some
2:06:38different country troops in India
2:06:40and when my [snorts] CEO called up and
2:06:42that you've been shortlisted, what do
2:06:43you want to do?
2:06:44So, I my first answer was not yes that I
2:06:47want to go. My first answer was that I
2:06:49want to go here, here, and here, but not
2:06:51here.
2:06:52My answer was no way that I want to go
2:06:54here.
2:06:54But then I spoke to people, got
2:06:56opinions, and it will be a good
2:06:58learning, everyone said. You should try
2:07:00it out. So, I spoke to my CEO, I replied
2:07:03back the next day that I want to try it
2:07:04out. So, he said that you can't try it
2:07:06out. Either you go or you don't go. If
2:07:08you fail, it's going to be difficult for
2:07:10you. I'm going to be ruthless on you.
2:07:12I said I will go for it.
2:07:14And I went for it.
2:07:15>> But has there been a sacrifice that
2:07:17you've done?
2:07:18>> Yes.
2:07:19>> Personally, what?
2:07:20>> Uh
2:07:22I'm not I'm not married.
2:07:23>> [snorts and gasps]
2:07:24>> So, there's a clause for the ADCs that
2:07:26they can't get married.
2:07:28ADC to the president. They have to stay
2:07:29away from the family.
2:07:32Um
2:07:33I think this is the biggest sacrifice.
2:07:35>> don't have life outside.
2:07:37That's the cost you've paid.
2:07:38>> That's the cost I've paid, yes. While I
2:07:40was serving with the president, I can't
2:07:43go out as a normal human being and enjoy
2:07:46life.
2:07:46>> Mm. Do you Does it get lonely?
2:07:49>> No.
2:07:50>> Why?
2:07:51>> I actually in front
2:07:53sometimes I would I do get lonely,
2:07:56but then I enjoy my loneliness. It gives
2:07:58me space and time to rethink
2:08:01about myself.
2:08:03>> Mm.
2:08:03>> My thought process, my good things, bad
2:08:06things. So, yes, I do get lonely, but
2:08:10yes, I turn that loneliness into a
2:08:12positive thing.
2:08:14So, I take that time I like to be Every
2:08:16day I need to be alone
2:08:18for at least an hour. Like every away
2:08:21from everyone, anyone, nobody should be
2:08:23near me. I want that one hour space.
2:08:26I can do anything in that maybe don't do
2:08:28anything.
2:08:29Just sit, but I need to be alone because
2:08:32it gives me that loneliness that
2:08:33emptiness give me the space
2:08:36to evaluate myself.
2:08:38>> Got it.
2:08:39>> That is my thinking so far.
2:08:42>> And here's the last question I ask
2:08:43almost everyone is what is one advice
2:08:47that nobody should follow? Like I have
2:08:49my favorite one which is
2:08:51one advice that nobody should follow is
2:08:54be practical.
2:08:55Don't be practical.
2:08:57Nobody
2:08:59no one in life has ever achieved
2:09:02something significant by being
2:09:03practical.
2:09:04They've all been delusional, they've all
2:09:06been dreamy, they're all
2:09:07saw something
2:09:09which was not possible, which was not
2:09:11practical and that's why they were able
2:09:14to achieve it.
2:09:15They were never practical in their
2:09:16lives.
2:09:18>> During my school days from army school
2:09:22uh
2:09:22I always wanted to be a sports player.
2:09:25>> Mhm.
2:09:25>> Okay?
2:09:26I I I used to love I wanted to be a
2:09:29footballer, play for the country
2:09:31then switch to volleyball, play for the
2:09:33country and
2:09:35people always told me stop dreaming what
2:09:38you can't achieve.
2:09:41Everyone has said it to me.
2:09:42>> Mhm.
2:09:43>> There's no future in sports, there's no
2:09:45future in physical things.
2:09:47You have to be an engineer. Do not you
2:09:49know like
2:09:50there's a term in Hindi
2:09:51chadar se pair mat bahar
2:09:53>> Huh. Huh.
2:09:54>> failao, hai na? Kyun nahi failao?
2:09:56Why not?
2:09:58The day I stop dreaming or the day I
2:10:01stop
2:10:02thinking of something which is beyond my
2:10:04capabilities
2:10:05I will not touch my limits.
2:10:08How will I grow?
2:10:09>> Mhm.
2:10:10>> If I would have never thought of to be a
2:10:13good human
2:10:14I would never [clears throat] have been
2:10:15here.
2:10:17I would have been the same guy in one
2:10:19corner of
2:10:21uh you know like around my home with
2:10:23family, I would have never explored the
2:10:25world. I wanted to go out. I wanted to
2:10:26do something big.
2:10:28I wanted to be a good man.
2:10:31I am. I love dreaming. Like you just
2:10:34said, practical approach.
2:10:37I am I want to be delusional. I want to
2:10:39be a dreamy man because dreams help me
2:10:44explore my inner self. What I am, what
2:10:48can I do,
2:10:50where is my full stop?
2:10:53>> You said you want to be a good man. What
2:10:56is the definition of a good man?
2:10:57>> Who makes himself happy.
2:11:00If you're happy from inside, whatever
2:11:02you're doing,
2:11:03if you're happy from inside, you're a
2:11:04good man.
2:11:07And
2:11:08in this world,
2:11:09in this in this world, humans amongst
2:11:12the humans, nobody would ever want to do
2:11:15something wrong.
2:11:17If they go in their own
2:11:19personal space and talk to themselves,
2:11:22there will never be an idea to do
2:11:24something wrong.
2:11:28That is that is the thing.
2:11:30>> [laughter]
2:11:31>> The situations force people.
2:11:33>> Yeah.
2:11:34>> The situations around them force people
2:11:36to do wrong.
2:11:37Nobody wants to do wrong.
2:11:39The situations make you go wrong.
2:11:41>> Got it. Perfect. Thank you so much.
2:11:43>> It's so wonderful.
2:11:44>> Thank you for coming here.
2:11:45>> So, Mom, how are you?
2:11:46>> Very good.
2:11:47>> Nice to meet you.
2:11:48I'll be there you what the actually
2:11:50social media play. There were a lot of
2:11:53recently there were a huge spike in a
2:11:55fake accounts. Not fake accounts, I
2:11:57would say bought accounts.
2:11:58Joe 001 012 say what I mean.
2:12:01And about the account me down here, it's
2:12:03like 1 month old.
2:12:052 months old maximum.
2:12:07And all are talking negative things
2:12:09about me.
2:12:10>> Is it bothering you a lot?
2:12:11>> We somehow managed to control, then
2:12:12there was a sudden suddenly a post
2:12:14appeared on Reddit "We are sorry, sir."
2:12:16What daily police did you okay about
2:12:18that again?
2:12:19Thank you for watching this episode till
2:12:21the end. We would love to know what you
2:12:23liked or disliked about this episode and
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2:12:32episode a little better. I'll see you
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