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0:03all right brother
0:05all right brother
0:09all right i just got to ask you a few
0:13questions you came down earlier tonight
0:16me and you talked all right
0:18you don't have any weapons on you do you
0:20yeah that's just you what's wrong
0:23you know detective patterson right yes
0:25do you remember
0:26put your hands up here you remember us
0:28talking earlier tonight
0:30right you remember me earlier in the day
0:33yes we came down here and talked a
0:35little bit and then we left
0:37yes okay i need to know
0:40about this girl right here you know yeah
0:44who is that lauren giddings
0:47does she live next door to you yes
0:51when's the last time you seen her two or
0:54three weeks ago
0:57okay was you friends with lauren yes
1:00look at me when he talked me son
1:01okay was you friends with her yes
1:05close friends we were good i mean you
1:08all were friends right
1:09both of y'all all students you're
1:10starting to be an attorney right
1:12yes what kind of law do you want to go
1:14into criminal law
1:15yes is that what you want to do for a
1:17living yes okay
1:20are you almost finished yes okay so you
1:22don't have too much more to do right
1:24no all right are you going to
1:27stay here in macon i don't know did you
1:30used to work at the district attorney's
1:32office in macon
1:33yes was you on the prosecutor side or
1:37the defense side
1:38prosecutor so you on our side right you
1:41never worked on the other side
1:43no did you like it when you were down
1:45there yes
1:48got along with everybody yes okay
1:51and you've lived next to lauren for a
1:53long time yes
1:55okay do you know where she's at tonight
1:58no
2:00no have you ever seen her with that
2:01dress on
2:04no you have no idea where she's
2:08at no okay
2:12oh
2:20yes
2:34okay my major didn't do that but okay
2:37all right
2:38all right
2:42look just tell me what happened brother
2:46i don't know where she at i need you i'm
2:49asking you for your help
2:52i'm a detective and i'm asking you for
2:54your help
2:56okay i'm asking you for help i need your
3:00help
3:00can you help me i don't know
3:05you don't know if you can help me yes i
3:08need your help
3:09help me out tell me what to do has
3:12anybody asked you for help today
3:16i need you i'm asking you as a friend
3:19for help can you help me
3:24i don't know what do you mean you don't
3:27know
3:28you can't help a friend out i don't know
3:31what you need
3:32i need to know where lauren's at i don't
3:34know
3:35when's the last time you seen her two or
3:37three weeks ago
3:40has anybody have you ever seen anybody
3:41over her house last couple nights
3:43no okay if you knew where she was would
3:48you tell me
3:49yes
3:52what do you think happened to her i
3:55don't know
4:02do you even care that no one can find
4:04her yes
4:08i mean i don't know do you yes
4:18do you have a girlfriend no
4:22did you think lauren was your girlfriend
4:26no
4:31i mean you said you didn't have any
4:35other cars right
4:37right why would your everybody you went
4:40to school with for the last three and
4:42four years
4:44said that you own another car
4:47other than the geoprism everybody i've
4:50talked to
4:51all your friends you were in school with
4:54people that you worked at the district
4:55attorney's office with said you have
4:57other cars other than that car
5:00and you're gonna sit here today and tell
5:01me you don't have another car
5:03i don't well where is it at i don't have
5:06one
5:07you've never had another car besides
5:09that geoprism yeah so if i call your
5:11granddaddy he's going to tell me
5:14that you only have one car yes
5:17what's his phone number i don't know
5:20because i already have
5:24you don't know phone number no
5:36i mean you seriously can't help us out
5:40his number is in my cell phone where's
5:42your muscle start where's your cell
5:43phone
5:44at the apartment in your apartment
5:47i mean it's kind of late to be calling
5:49him does he stay up late
5:51i don't know
5:54do you have a grandmother or just him my
5:57grandmother passed away
5:59a while back yes
6:02but you're close to your grandfather
6:04right yes
6:06i mean johnny on some property or
6:08something he said a couple of acres
6:11my granddaddy or my grandfather
6:15who lives in pike county my granddaddy
6:17does he own any land down there
6:19yes okay and just sometimes you go down
6:22to visit him or something last time we
6:25met
6:26i went down and visited with my aunt and
6:29uncle
6:32what did he do for a living was he an
6:33attorney like you
6:35he worked for the southern railroad
6:36company
6:38is anybody in your family an attorney no
6:40you're the only one that went through
6:42law school
6:42yes well that's an accomplishment don't
6:46you think yes
6:48i mean it took a long time right yes
6:52a lot a lot of studying
7:01you i think you told me earlier you were
7:03from up atlanta or
7:05did you live in atlanta or griffin or
7:07something like that
7:09you don't have any family left up there
7:11yes well who lives up there
7:13my parents okay any brothers or sisters
7:18my sister lives in tucker georgia
7:21yes what's up with a pair of underwear
7:24that was in your apartment
7:26it was like a mask it was cut out like a
7:29mask do you
7:31you cut underwear out to look like masks
7:33no
7:36how many guns did you have in your
7:38apartment three
7:40what are they do you know what they are
7:44a rifle what kind of rifle did you have
7:47an ak semi automatic where'd you buy it
7:50from
7:51classic arms is that atlanta or
7:54something
7:55online okay what kind of pistols do you
7:59own
8:00eaa witness full-size
8:03and compact okay what is that what about
8:06the one that was on the bed
8:08that's the full size that's the
8:10full-size one where's the
8:12what was the other one the compact where
8:14was that
8:15on the table by the bed yeah
8:18remember i was in there then you had
8:21that samurai sword
8:23yes that was just a i mean that's not ex
8:26it's an expensive sword or it's just a
8:27knockoff it's just one of the knockoff
8:29swords
8:30yes and what about the knife which
8:33the big the one that was remember you
8:35showed me it was dull
8:37yes what kind of life is that because i
8:39don't know
8:40kukri where do you get something like
8:43that online
8:44i bought it from a friend did you have
8:47any other knives in the house
8:49yes that i didn't see because you didn't
8:52show me no other knives that's the only
8:53one you showed me what other knife did i
8:54miss
8:55there's a pocket knife that's on the
8:57table
8:58are you a knife collector or a knife
9:00person or no
9:02you just like knives i used to collect
9:05swords i mean do you know your swords
9:08yeah i mean to sell
9:09and trade swords no but you just
9:13bought here and there yes but you
9:15wouldn't consider yourself like a sword
9:17expert
9:18no okay because you know they have that
9:20tv show where they sell
9:22stuff you know at night on tv but
9:26i don't know what it's called the knife
9:27shop or something like that
9:30have you ever seen what i'm talking
9:31about i don't know if you have cable tv
9:33or not
9:35all right
9:40oh you know tonight
9:45we're still looking for lauren you know
9:48any of these other girls in this picture
9:55i know that she goes to the law school
9:57and i can't remember her name
9:59so she's still going to be an attorney
10:00too yes
10:04is that how lauren looked with the long
10:06hair the last time you seen her
10:08yes that's how she looks yes
10:22oh this was in 2010
10:34hmm
10:40who do you think took lauren away
10:43i don't know well i need your help
10:47can you give me some what what is your
10:50observation of this
10:52i know you're smarter okay
10:57i know you have an observation you can
11:00tell me what's
11:01what do you think happened to her i
11:05think someone took her
11:10if you think
11:14i mean you watch tv shows right like
11:16detective shows
11:17what's your observation how do you think
11:20somebody would take her
11:21if somebody did take her when she was
11:24running
11:26does she normally run all the time she
11:28runs
11:29i don't know how often you mean you
11:32think somebody might have took her when
11:33she was running like down the street
11:35somewhere
11:36yes
11:40you don't think somebody got her when
11:42she got back to her apartment
11:44i don't know
11:49well you know there was a body found in
11:50the trash can next to the apartments
11:53yes you do know that and it's a female
11:56white female's body right there
12:01right next to young's apartment
12:04feet within from her apartment
12:09i mean
12:14we don't know 100 sure it's lauren
12:17but we're pretty confident it is
12:21we're waiting for some tests to be done
12:24to be 100 sure i mean who would
12:28who would do something to somebody and
12:30throw them in a trash can
12:31i don't know i'm asking for your advice
12:34or your
12:35observation who in your complex
12:40would do something like that you live
12:42over there for three years
12:44that's tonight's the first night i think
12:46i've ever been over there
12:48in your expert opinion
12:52of all your knowledge of going through
12:54law school and all that
12:57who in that complex do i need to talk to
13:01i don't know no names come to mind
13:04you can't help me out a little bit
13:11you can't help me out i don't know
13:14you don't know anybody
13:18at all that lives in that complex
13:24you know earlier you told me about a guy
13:26that lived in apartment 15.
13:29i mean is he a decent guy i think so
13:34don't y'all have a laundry room there or
13:36something yeah that everybody has access
13:38to the laundry room
13:40yes has anybody been working on the
13:44apartments
13:45below you in the last couple weeks that
13:47you've noticed
13:49i haven't seen anyone
13:53but you don't you don't know if they've
13:55been doing work on that apartment
13:57number one no
14:04i mean earlier today mean you sit here
14:06and talk normal what's going on with you
14:08now why are you acting like this
14:10i need to know why all of a sudden
14:14you're acting like this
14:17i don't understand okay earlier today we
14:21sat here and talked
14:24but now you're acting like you don't
14:26know what's going on
14:34when did something happen or something
14:36to you
14:40i mean why are you not why are you
14:41shutting down why are you not talking to
14:43me
14:45i don't know you don't know are you
14:47scared
14:49no
14:52i mean you're not scared are you no
14:56are you sad that something had an alarm
14:58if that's her in that trash can
15:00yes
15:09once last time you said you can't
15:12remember the last time
15:13earlier today that you took the trash
15:15out to the trash can
15:17right am i wrong right i mean because
15:20you said you like stayed inside the
15:22whole
15:24the whole weekend i think because you
15:25had all your food and all that
15:28you never went to kroger over the
15:29weekend or walmart or anything
15:33i don't remember but you could have
15:38i don't know when you go to kroger when
15:41you do go to the store to get your food
15:43do you use a credit card or you pay cash
15:46cash do you have a kroger card yes
15:50okay so the crowler card should be able
15:52to tell if you were
15:53at kroger this weekend right yes
16:03did you swipe your card and just enter
16:04your cell phone number
16:06they scan it well because i enter my
16:09phone though because i can't
16:10never remember to bring my car
16:15but you don't remember if you went over
16:17the back you drive your car
16:18you walk over there i drive you ever go
16:22to walmart on the eastern
16:24grey hallway or which walmart do you go
16:27to when you go to walmart
16:28prairie highway you don't ever go out to
16:30zeblin road
16:32i don't think so you've never been out
16:34there you know where's evelyn wrote the
16:36new walmart
16:37no you know so you just
16:40basically go to the long grail yes
16:44okay do you know where you're at tonight
16:48yes where are you at detective bureau
16:51okay
16:55and you know why we've been working all
16:58day trying to find lauren right
17:00yes because her family wants to know
17:02where she's at
17:03yes and i don't know what to tell her
17:05family
17:06so i'm asking you what do i need to tell
17:09her family
17:10i don't know what do you want me to tell
17:14them i don't know
17:16huh you're gonna have to tell me what to
17:20tell her family
17:22it's all on you brother what do you
17:25wanted me to tell her family
17:28huh i don't know well i need to know
17:33i need to know
17:36okay
17:40just something happened to lord and you
17:42know you need to tell me
17:47if you know something because i need to
17:49know
17:51because their families down here
17:54want to know what happened to her i
17:57don't know
18:03you don't know no that's what you want
18:06me to tell her mother
18:07but her father that you don't know
18:11i don't know not that you're sorry that
18:13she's missing
18:14i thought you've been trying to help me
18:15all day find her but you just wanted
18:18me to tell her i don't know
18:21i don't know are you a sorry piece of
18:23[ __ ] that you want me to tell her that
18:28you got your ass on that [ __ ] news
18:31and stood out there and gave a media
18:35report that her mother saw
18:39about her missing daughter
18:43and you want me to sit there and tell
18:44them that you don't know
18:48is that what you want me to tell them
18:50because you're all over the news
18:53you sure stood out there and ran your
18:55mouth to the news media
18:57but now you're gonna get out here and
18:59you don't [ __ ] know
19:02you know you're just a sorry piece of
19:05[ __ ]
19:06that don't give a [ __ ]
19:09right yeah well why'd you tell the media
19:13everything
19:15do you need to see what you told the
19:16media today it was on 11 o'clock news
19:20well i'm asking you tell me
19:23i want to know i don't know where she is
19:27that ain't what you told the media
19:33you didn't stand in front of that camera
19:34and say i don't know
19:37i don't know i don't know
19:50right you buy all these weapons
19:53was you ever in the military no
19:58what do you need all these weapons for
20:00are you scared somebody's going to hurt
20:01you
20:02no what do you need all these weapons
20:05for
20:07to have why there's a reason why
20:11were you molested as a child no
20:14then why do you need all these weapons
20:17to have
20:18why give me one good reason
20:22just give me one reason to have wow
20:26does it make you feel important no
20:31are you a big guy because you got a
20:33weapon no
20:35do you even know how to use it yes
20:40i need you to tell me what you want me
20:42to tell her mother
20:43and then i won't ask you another thing
20:46i'm not going to tell her mother that
20:47you don't know
20:48because her mother saw you on the news
20:50tonight
20:51and she cried all the way down to making
20:55because you had the balls to get on the
20:57news and tell everybody everything
21:02you didn't have no problem talking to
21:03the news when they asked you questions
21:08i'm asking you questions where's lauren
21:13i don't know yes you do know you do know
21:19you do know you know
21:24you know
21:27you do know
21:31and everybody making knows you knows
21:32because you got your sorry ass on the
21:34news and told everybody
21:36so every friend you have in making
21:40knows that you know
21:46everybody go to school with every one of
21:48your professors
21:50everybody knows that you know
21:54because you got on the news tonight and
21:56told everybody that you know
22:00now how do you think
22:06you think you're going to walk down the
22:08street tomorrow and nobody bother you
22:11hmm think nobody's gonna come over and
22:14knock on your door
22:17to see if you want to talk to me again
22:21no oh they're gonna be over there
22:24brother
22:26so this little act that you're doing
22:28right now
22:29ain't working with me okay
22:33because you didn't have no problem
22:35talking to the media
22:40no problem so you just
22:43snap out of it and tell me what the hell
22:45happened
22:46so we can move on
22:50i don't know well how many times you
22:54gonna say i don't know
22:56huh how many times you gonna say it
23:03what are you gonna say i remember i
23:06don't want to remember what happened to
23:08her
23:10how many times you gonna say that
23:14if you did something
23:18that you regret
23:21you let me know i didn't
23:26well who did i don't know
23:29well a body was found over here right
23:31next to where you live
23:35what do you have in your apartments a
23:37lot of knives
23:40a lot of guns
23:44right yes
23:54and i'm asking you about it and you're
23:57just saying i don't know
24:00that's all that's the only answer you
24:01can give is i don't know
24:03but six hours or a couple hours ago you
24:05was out there telling the media
24:06everything
24:07you didn't stand in front of that camera
24:08and say i don't know
24:10you were actually answering questions
24:14right
24:17how many interviews you give three i
24:20don't know
24:21well you gave like three
24:24do you think that was a proper thing to
24:26do when a mother's looking for her child
24:30they asked me what happened and what did
24:32you tell him
24:34what did you tell her that lauren was
24:37missing
24:38okay what else did you tell him that we
24:41had gone looking for her
24:44okay and what
24:48we haven't found
24:51what else do they ask you i don't
24:54remember
24:55why don't you remember i don't
24:58you're telling me that you went through
25:02law school well you went through college
25:05first right
25:06you graduated from college yes now
25:08you're in law school did you graduate
25:09from law school
25:10yeah but you don't [ __ ] remember what
25:12they asked you this afternoon no
25:14huh i just don't [ __ ] believe that
25:17[ __ ]
25:20came back yet
25:23what's up buddy
25:26did you talk to him about his guns yeah
25:28when was the last time you shot those
25:30guns
25:30i haven't you've never shot a gun no
25:33have you ever shot any gun in your whole
25:35life no
25:37no no
25:41so you bought three guns that you've
25:42never shot
25:44yes why to have
25:47for what to have
25:50for what i'm asking for what
25:54why do you want to have them what makes
25:55did they give you i mean tell me why
25:57it's important to you to have three guns
26:05that's an easy question come on talk to
26:08me buddy me and you talked all day
26:10today we ain't had a problem
26:11communicating
26:13why is it important for you to have
26:14three guns
26:19do you not know no okay
26:24um you got a girlfriend no
26:28who's your best friend michael quinn
26:31michael who quinn who was he
26:34he was a law student with me is he is he
26:38still a law student
26:39he graduated when was the last time you
26:42talked to him
26:43before he moved up to boston how long
26:45ago was that
26:47a few weeks a few weeks like a month two
26:50months two weeks three weeks what
26:53the beginning of june beginning of june
26:57beginning of june
27:01okay
27:01[Music]
27:04so let me ask you a question how you say
27:06you don't know what lauren is right
27:09right you said you told me earlier you
27:12and lauren were friends right
27:14yes how would you describe y'all's
27:16relationship
27:18she was my friend she was your friend
27:22what did you ever do things for she ever
27:24do things for you what did she ever do
27:26for you
27:28we jogged we talked what y'all talk
27:30about
27:32news the news
27:35okay um earlier you were telling me
27:39something about you fixed your computer
27:40before
27:41i couldn't fix it you couldn't fix it
27:44what was wrong with it
27:46i don't remember how long ago was that
27:52around graduation well how long ago was
27:54that
27:56middle of may middle of may so you were
27:59over in her apartment in the middle of
28:00may
28:01yes have you been over there since then
28:04yes
28:04when was the last time you were over
28:06there last night
28:08before last night have you ever been
28:10over there with lauren
28:12since the time you worked on her
28:13computer in the middle of may
28:15no how many times have you been in her
28:17apartment with her hanging out
28:27you don't know
28:32if you had to guess what was just
28:35i mean one time two times three times
28:37what
28:41maybe two maybe two see if i had only
28:44been somewhere twice
28:46i could remember that if i had been
28:48there
28:49over 50 times and you asked me how many
28:51times i've been like i don't know a lot
28:53but the fact that you've only been there
28:55twice when i say how many times it's
28:56been you say you don't know
28:58that's just odd to me does that make
29:01sense to you
29:03yes that does make sense so what i'm
29:05saying right now makes sense
29:10no
29:13when was the last time you saw the lawn
29:15two or three weeks ago
29:17and you have you been on vacation for
29:19the last couple weeks
29:20no you've been home every night yes has
29:23she been at home every night
29:25i don't know has she been on vacation
29:28i think she was away for a while how
29:31long
29:32i don't know what are you looking for no
29:37let me tell you even if i didn't talk to
29:39my neighbors
29:41i know if my neighbors have been in and
29:43out i hear them come in i hear them go
29:45out
29:46i see them when they walk by my window
29:47i've lived in apartments most of my life
29:50so the fact that you haven't seen her in
29:52two or three weeks
29:53that's just odd to me i'm gonna be it
29:56makes me feel like you're not being
29:57honest with me
29:58steven
30:02why would you not be honest with me i am
30:04being honest
30:05steven it just doesn't feel like it
30:07buddy you know
30:09i get the sense that
30:13there's something weighing heavy on your
30:14heart right now
30:16and it's breaking you down
30:20and you feel bad about it i can tell
30:23you haven't slept much have you in the
30:26last few days have you
30:28no like something's weighing on your
30:30mind ain't it
30:31we were looking for lauren you started
30:34looking for lauren yesterday
30:36yes but you haven't slept in several
30:37days have you
30:39yes you have yes earlier when i talked
30:42to you you said you hadn't slept in days
30:44that
30:44this morning was the first time he was
30:46able to get any sleep was this morning
30:47for a little bit no yes that's what you
30:51said
30:55that's what you told me
31:00so i asked you well if you haven't been
31:02able to sleep in several days what have
31:03you been doing studying and you said yes
31:05studying
31:08you don't remember that no
31:18what i want you to do i'm going to ask
31:20you this question
31:22i want you to describe to me how you
31:24feel right now
31:35you know how to answer that with a yes
31:36or no do you
31:38i don't know what's going on
31:44lauren's missing
31:47this pretty little girl right here your
31:50neighbor
31:54she's missing i know
31:58you went looking for last night yes
32:03did you hurt lauren no
32:06stephen did you hurt lauren no
32:10i know this is hard for you to tell it
32:13but it's weighing on you right now ain't
32:15it steven
32:17i didn't do it but i know you could
32:20probably help me
32:21with who did
32:24can't you buddy i don't know
32:30steven you know and i
32:34mean you both know it's no different
32:36than when you was a little kid right
32:39and you reached in that cookie jaw and
32:41you got caught after your mama told you
32:42not to get that cookie
32:44when she was you did you get a cookie no
32:47and whenever you tell a lie you feel bad
32:50about it right now
32:51one with every lie there's a chance
32:53you're gonna get caught
32:57and that weighs on you because you know
33:00you did something bad
33:04am i right i didn't do it
33:07you didn't take the cookie no
33:16what'd you do buddy
33:20i didn't do anything what'd you do to
33:23lauren
33:25i didn't do anything you saw lauren last
33:28night though
33:29yesterday no
33:32what time was it that she went out to do
33:34a laundry
33:35i don't know where were you at yesterday
33:39at home what'd you do at home
33:42tell me everything you did yesterday
33:46from the time you woke up to the time
33:48you went to sleep
33:53i checked the news at what time
33:57i don't remember was it yesterday
33:59morning
34:01i don't remember what'd you do when you
34:02woke up
34:05i think i checked the news all right you
34:07check the news
34:08okay
34:17what'd you do after that
34:20i watched some videos online
34:25did you clean up no
34:28you didn't no
34:31you smell like you've been cleaning up
34:33like you've been using cleaner to clean
34:34up
34:36i know that smells like my wife smells
34:37like that all the time when she cleans
34:39the house
34:40you've been using some kind of cleaning
34:42to clean up your apartment haven't you
34:44no steven you're telling me you live
34:47like a man how does your apartment get
34:49cleaned
34:50i cleaned it okay when was the last time
34:54you cleaned it stephen
34:56i don't remember was it this week
34:59no you mean you go a whole week without
35:01cleaning yes
35:03why that's horrible stephen
35:07was it possibly over the weekend last
35:09weekend
35:10no it wasn't if you can't remember
35:15then how is it that you can tell me that
35:17you didn't clean up your apartment last
35:19weekend
35:21a minute ago you couldn't remember
35:27i don't remember cleaning last weekend
35:30so you it isn't that you didn't it's
35:33that you just don't remember
35:42right
35:44help me out buddy right
35:49i don't understand just don't understand
35:59i don't know how else to say it steven
36:02let me tell you what i think
36:05i think that she was a friend of yours
36:08look at her right here i think that she
36:11was a friend of yours
36:14and i think something happened stephen
36:22you used to watch her come in and out of
36:24her apartment didn't you
36:26no i mean then how were y'all friends if
36:30y'all were
36:30if me and you friends we live next door
36:33to each other
36:34every time i see look i'm gonna see
36:35y'all that's my buddy going in
36:38because we're friends i'm gonna pay
36:40attention to when you come in and out
36:42didn't you just tell me that y'all were
36:44friends yes
36:46but you don't you didn't pay attention
36:47when she came in and out
36:49no stephen you're lying
36:53now you're lying you're just lying
36:56that's a lie
36:59you you ever see her come in and out of
37:01her apartment
37:02yes you did when was the last time
37:07you don't remember like last week maybe
37:10i don't think so you don't think so
37:15stephen you understand that everything
37:17that you're saying it doesn't make any
37:19sense at all
37:20none none
37:24you totally contradict everything
37:27that relates to human behavior we have
37:30skills to be able to observe things to
37:32hear things to see
37:33things there are natural things out
37:35there that draw our attention
37:37every day such as when you're driving
37:38down the road if somebody hits the horn
37:40you look around
37:42you know what i'm saying this is the
37:44natural reaction
37:45if you're sitting in your living room
37:47you hear the door stand next to you you
37:48automatically think my neighbor's home
37:52right you're you're telling me that
37:54those kind of things don't happen in
37:56your life
37:58you asked if i watched i didn't watch
38:02have you noticed that she's came in and
38:04out of her house
38:05in the last week or two i don't remember
38:18do you remember steve the last time i
38:21saw her was two or three weeks ago
38:24the what she was going out running when
38:28i was coming in
38:29where were you coming in from our
38:31preparation
38:32bar preparation what's the bar
38:35preparation
38:37oh you're preparing for the bar exam yes
38:40okay
38:43well how y'all doing we're just talking
38:46he doesn't seem to remember a whole lot
38:52everything's yes or no or i don't
38:55remember
38:57a lot of things aren't making anything i
38:58gotta be honest with you stephen
39:01me personally i don't feel like you're
39:03being honest
39:06okay well steven you said you're gonna
39:09help me out right
39:11with this investigation because we
39:12needed your help we're asking you for
39:14help
39:15right that's what we remember i told you
39:17that yes
39:19and you told me you're gonna help me
39:21right
39:22you're gonna help me find lauren right
39:24yes
39:26and ask for your opinion your
39:27observation of what happened or
39:29to her right
39:32what did you tell me i thought someone
39:35snatched her
39:37right where do you think someone might
39:41have snatched her from
39:43if you're the detective you're the
39:44police detective
39:46it's your investigation where would you
39:50start your investigation
39:53i don't know come on now
39:57you watch tv right yes okay
40:01you made it through college right yes
40:03you made it just about through law
40:05school right
40:06yes so you should know
40:10where would you start your investigation
40:14where she was last seen okay
40:18so in this case where was she last seen
40:21at garen's house garen
40:25that's the guy who lives up on the
40:27street right
40:28friend of hers yes okay
40:33all right and that was on i think she
40:36left there on saturday morning
40:38yes am i right okay now
40:42where do you think she went from their
40:45house
40:48all right you're the detective now right
40:51it's your case what would you do
40:56check at her home okay we did that
41:01you know that's what we did today right
41:04yes you saw us out there when we knocked
41:07on your door
41:08she's not there
41:14you know i need your help in finding her
41:19what do we need to do what do we need to
41:22do that we haven't done
41:25i don't know you don't know
41:29so if you had this case you wouldn't be
41:31able to solve is that what you're saying
41:33because you're not smart enough to solve
41:35it i don't know
41:37or you think you're smart enough to be a
41:38detective
41:40i don't know no
41:44you got to be killing me stephen did you
41:48stephen so stephen listen to me
41:53we're real people and we're here to talk
41:55to you we're trying
41:56we're i like to think that we're friends
41:59okay
42:01friends communicate back and forth the
42:03only thing you said is yes or no and i
42:05don't know
42:06okay it makes me feel like you're
42:09treating me like you don't like me
42:11and i feel like i've looked out for you
42:13today everything you said you wanted
42:16i've given you i tried to give you food
42:18several times
42:19you know i feel like we talked you told
42:21me about how you like to look at porn on
42:23the internet
42:24um you express to me that you're a
42:27virgin correct
42:28yes i mean that's the kind of stuff you
42:30tell friends you know what i'm saying
42:32right yes we n we need to know where
42:35your other car is i know you have i
42:37already know you own another car okay
42:39i don't know yes you do do you use
42:41another car you have another car it's
42:43not
42:44your name no you don't steven
42:47you've been using somebody else's car
42:51everyone i interviewed today say you
42:53have another car
42:55these people aren't making this up
42:58you have another vehicle no i don't
43:03so your grandfather's a liar is that
43:06what you're saying
43:09you're calling your grandfather a liar i
43:11just talked to him
43:13and he said you own another car i don't
43:20so he's lied to me stephen we're telling
43:23way too many lies
43:25so you're telling me they're like you're
43:26willing to tell me
43:28that you're a virgin and that you you
43:30told me you jack off the point on the
43:32internet
43:32but you don't want to admit to having
43:34another call that makes me think you got
43:35something to hide stephen
43:37that concerns me you tell me things that
43:40most people wouldn't tell somebody else
43:42but yet you lie about something where
43:44are you trying to hide that you have
43:45another car what's the big deal
43:47i don't have it i got three cars
43:50you do no i don't know it's not a truck
43:52what happened to it
43:53i've never had another car that's the
43:55only car you've ever had in macon
43:57yes okay let me go talk to him again
43:59because that's not what he's saying
44:09stephen
44:13what happened to lauren yeah
44:16you like her don't you she's my friend
44:19did you ever think about having sex with
44:21her
44:22no you never tried to talk to her
44:25on a dating level let me go talk they
44:28got his grandfather let me go talk to
44:30make sure
44:31that he owns another car
44:34because he's telling us he doesn't
44:42be right so you're telling me you see
44:45that pretty girl right there
44:47yes you're telling me you looked at a
44:49pretty girl like that you never once
44:51thought
44:51ever man
44:55she looks good you never thought that i
45:04don't understand
45:08what do you mean you don't understand
45:10did you know when you're sitting there
45:11you see a girl walking down the road
45:14and he said man that girl looks good
45:16you'll see a good girl you think
45:17yourself
45:18man that girl looks good yes you never
45:21thought that about her
45:22yes so you mean to tell me you look at
45:26porn on the internet
45:30and get off to that but you never looked
45:32at her and said man i wonder what it'd
45:34be like to have sex with her
45:35yes you have no
45:42have you ever thought about what it
45:43would be like to have sex with lauren
45:45no you've never imagined having sex long
45:48no have you ever had sexual or no
45:54what do you know about that body we
45:56found today i don't know
45:58you don't know
46:11what if i told you
46:15that i believe that you do know i
46:19don't what if i told you that i could
46:20prove it
46:23i don't know you don't know
46:26is there a chance but you do admit
46:30there's a chance that i possibly have
46:33evidence to show that you do
46:35have something to do with that body
46:36correct
46:38i don't know you don't know
46:42because if i hadn't done anything i'd
46:45say
46:45nope there's no way but you say you
46:48don't know
46:49why is that why do you say you don't
46:51know is there a chance that maybe
46:52something's there
46:54no why did you say you don't know
46:57because i don't know
46:58because you're worried about something
46:59maybe something that happened
47:01that maybe something got mixed up with
47:03something and you're worried about that
47:05no no why do you say i don't know
47:08because i don't know
47:11how would you not know
47:17if i was asking you did you just rob a
47:19bank if you didn't you'd say
47:21no not i don't know right right
47:24so why do you say i don't know because i
47:27don't know
47:28you don't know if you had anything to do
47:30with that body i didn't
47:33you didn't no are you sure
47:36yes what if i said i could prove that
47:39you did
47:41i don't know
47:45could you explain it i don't know
47:50today you told an investigator
47:53that you were worried
47:56about us possibly finding blood in your
47:59apartment
48:00didn't you i don't remember you did
48:05now why would you be worried about that
48:10we all looked in lauren's apartment did
48:12you see blood
48:14no then what would make you think that
48:16that there was blood taken over there
48:18nothing would make you think that unless
48:20you saw it
48:22because see i didn't see no blood
48:26none of the other lord's friends saw
48:28blood but i know
48:30now that blood was there
48:33and now i believe you saw it
48:37you saw that blood you know that blood
48:40was there
48:41and that's why you're worried about it
48:44no
48:47did you know why do you have blood up in
48:48the inside of your nose
48:51i don't know
48:59you don't know you saw that blood that's
49:03the only way that you would be worried
49:05about it
49:06because that's like saying i'm worried
49:10about
49:13red roses being under my pillow but yet
49:16i never put on that that doesn't make
49:18any sense
49:19you know um your brain doesn't even
49:22think to operate like that unless you
49:25knew something was there
49:28does that make sense that makes sense to
49:31you're a smart guy
49:32right
49:35i don't understand
49:40you knew that there was blood in that
49:41apartment
49:43no yes you did stephen
49:48yes you did
49:51there's blood in your apartment stephen
49:58that's right there's blood in your
50:01apartment
50:04steven this is hard buddy i know this is
50:07hard
50:09and i can tell it's on you want to let
50:11it go there's blood in your apartment
50:13stephen
50:14you didn't get it all up it didn't all
50:17come off
50:19you scrubbed and you wiped but we can
50:21tell that
50:22don't you watch csi
50:28yeah we know it
50:35stephen why is there blood in your
50:38bathroom
50:40i don't know yes you do know why stephen
50:43has anybody else been in your bathroom
50:47the police were in there other than the
50:49police
50:51who else has been in there no one that i
50:54no one and you recently cleaned your
50:58bathroom didn't you
51:00no how long ago i don't know
51:03a couple days ago no over the weekend
51:07no no you don't know i don't remember
51:11cleaning it do you use drugs no you ever
51:14use acid
51:16no are you you're on medication
51:20no
51:30you're lying stephen i want to give you
51:33an
51:33opportunity to tell it
51:36i wanted to be here with you to go
51:39through that process
51:40because i know you're not a monster man
51:43i know you're not a bad guy
51:47you're just a hard-working student
51:48trying to pass a bar exam mansion
51:50you ain't got a lot of support from your
51:52family do you yes
51:54you do a lot of people can't say that
51:58and the fact that you do have support
52:00from your family
52:01should make things easier because your
52:03family wants to feel like they've raised
52:05somebody that tells the truth and is
52:06honest right
52:08yes did you hurt that girl stephen no
52:13have you ever heard anyone stephen no
52:30never hurt anyone no i've heard people
52:33stephen
52:37i've made mistakes in my life it's not
52:40even normal to say you've never heard
52:41anybody
52:43sometimes people get mad and they say
52:45things they don't mean to say it hurts
52:48you never kicked a dog or a cat
52:52you ever hurt your the kids they live up
52:54there with your parents
52:57you love those kids don't you yes okay
53:02if something happened one of those kids
53:03you'd be upset right
53:06yes well something happened to
53:10this lady's child lauren okay
53:15you love your all the kids up there with
53:18your mama right
53:19yes and you do anything for them right
53:23yes i mean they called you and said hey
53:25we need you
53:26help us out you'd help them out right
53:28yes
53:29we need you to help us out
53:33okay
53:36tell me about your family i have four
53:40adopted siblings
53:41that you love very much right yes
53:45okay what about your mama she's a
53:47homemaker
53:48okay what about your daddy
53:51he's a painter
53:55close family y'all close
53:59yes was the last time you talked to him
54:03when we got together what was that
54:07he leads it down did you go up there to
54:11see them or
54:11they come down here and see you we went
54:13to buckners
54:15i like the chicken place where the table
54:18spins around
54:19yeah you just drove up their metal yes
54:30they bring all the kids with them yes
54:36they didn't come back to make it
54:40well they asked you how you was doing in
54:42school and everything
54:44yes
54:50you had told uh detective chapman that
54:54you've never shot any of those
54:55guns that were in your apartment yes
54:58have you no well you've never went to
55:02the shooting range here in macon
55:04did some shooting huh no
55:08any gun no
55:13you never did you made the mistake and
55:15tell people at school that you used to
55:16go the shooting range and shoot
55:18no you've never said that no
55:23do you even know how to load yes this ks
55:27is that that was ness cass right
55:29no what was it an ak site well same
55:32thing
55:34just different you know how to load it
55:37yes
55:38what kind of rounds it take 762
55:4139 okay what's the capacity of that clip
55:45that you had
55:4630 rounds what's it loaded
55:50is it loaded the magazine is full
55:54okay you got a round in the chamber no
55:58why not safer that way
56:02safer it's just you in the apartment
56:03right
56:05yes why do you think it's safe for that
56:07one
56:09no chance of it getting knocked over and
56:11going off
56:13i mean no one lives with you just you
56:18bullets can travel distance well how do
56:21you know that
56:23i've read up about it well
56:29on what the computer yes okay
56:33what about your pistols
56:37you never fired any of those pistols no
56:41were they loaded tonight the magazine is
56:44full
56:44on the 10 millimeter okay
56:48there's one round in the chamber in the
56:50nine millimeter
56:51and a full magazine was the nine
56:53millimeter the full-size one with the
56:55compact one
56:56compact
57:01and you've never even fired any of those
57:03weapons no
57:04where do you buy your ammo have you ever
57:06purchased any ammo here make them
57:08yes from where a to z guns
57:13was that on bible avenue yes when's the
57:16last time you used these
57:17z guns years ago do you have a
57:21a permit yeah what you do
57:24here in bible county yes
57:28okay you applied when he was working
57:31down at the county or
57:33i applied last fall okay
57:37so you have your car yes is it with you
57:40yes can i see it
57:45they make they still make you take your
57:46fingerprint dollar yes
57:48let me see your card
57:52how much does it cost now you remember
57:56around 80
58:03so it expires in 2016. yes
58:09do you have any pictures of the kids no
58:12no they didn't give you no pictures when
58:14they were in school
58:16that picture your parents no you got no
58:19pictures
58:20no at all i'm not even in your apartment
58:24you have someone at your apartment
58:28what do the kids call you stephen
58:31okay so you're just a brother or uncle
58:35or
58:36brother brother stephen none of them
58:38ever come visit you here in macon
58:48now
58:58about this car when you first moved to
59:02macon did you have another automobile
59:05no never you know
59:08when you moved to making us you brought
59:09that geoprism with you
59:11yes you never left the car back there at
59:14your mother's
59:15no why'd you tell everybody at school
59:19that you had that other vehicle i didn't
59:23so everyone we talked to just made that
59:26story up
59:28about you talking about your other
59:30vehicle
59:32i don't have another vehicle
59:37when's the last time you've been to
59:38kroger in baconsville
59:41i don't remember okay because i asked
59:44you that
59:45the last time you were at walmart i
59:48don't remember
59:50it's been a long time can you even give
59:52me that much
59:54no a week or so
59:58maybe do you even have a credit card
1:00:02yes which credit card do you use the
1:00:05most
1:00:06visa is this is the bank name or just a
1:00:09visa
1:00:10first financial bank is that hair making
1:00:13no
1:00:14first financial you got a bank account
1:00:17with them
1:00:18no well who's accountant they just sent
1:00:20you a visa
1:00:23you don't have no bank account where are
1:00:26you putting your money on your house
1:00:28you putting all your money in your house
1:00:30with all the food you got in there
1:00:32i have an account with wachovia here in
1:00:34macon yes
1:00:37do you buy your uh stuff at walmart with
1:00:39this visa card
1:00:41no oh how do you usually pay for stuff
1:00:43at walmart
1:00:44with cash do you have a job
1:00:49no well how do you get cash
1:00:52student loans so you're just living off
1:00:54your student levels
1:00:56yes
1:01:06so you hadn't worked like a job in a
1:01:08while yeah
1:01:14are you planning on getting a job yes
1:01:19well because your loans are going to run
1:01:21out sooner or later right
1:01:23yes
1:01:30how long you got left to finish your
1:01:32school up are you finished completely
1:01:34yes what are you planning on moving out
1:01:38of that apartment
1:01:40i mean when's your lisa about july 15
1:01:44where you plan on uh going when you move
1:01:47out
1:01:48back to my parents and where is that at
1:01:51lauren
1:01:58do you even know your mother's phone
1:01:59number i know the home
1:02:01phone number what's that what's the
1:02:03error code up there 770.
1:02:06381 5031.
1:02:11what's your mother's name glenda
1:02:17has she ever had a drug problem you know
1:02:22she's been home your whole entire life
1:02:23raising you
1:02:25mostly where was she when she went
1:02:27mostly raising you
1:02:28preschool oh she's a school teacher as
1:02:31well
1:02:32yes
1:02:45do you know how i've already told you
1:02:48that there was a body discovered right
1:02:50in the trash containers over there near
1:02:54your apartment
1:02:57do you know how that body got in that
1:02:59trash can
1:03:00no
1:03:03do you have any black trash bags in your
1:03:06apartment
1:03:07like uh that you use for trash
1:03:10no do you can you help me
1:03:13do you know where any black trash bags
1:03:15are in that apartment complex
1:03:18have you ever seen any around has
1:03:20someone been over there cleaning up or
1:03:25have you ever seen anybody painting an
1:03:26apartment
1:03:28have you seen any painters because
1:03:29you're homeless of the day right
1:03:31yes have you seen any of that
1:03:34no do you know where the garbage man
1:03:37usually comes over there
1:03:38no do you know anything
1:03:43yes what do you know i asked you for
1:03:47help what do you know
1:03:49you haven't provided me with nothing
1:03:52i mean when's the last time you were in
1:03:55that laundry room at the apartments
1:03:58last night what were you doing last
1:04:01night
1:04:02luke and i were looking for lauren did
1:04:04y'all see anything unusual or out of
1:04:07place
1:04:07no okay there was one washer that
1:04:12had clothes in it who's called more than
1:04:14you know
1:04:15luke said they look like a guy's clothes
1:04:19but you didn't look in the machine i
1:04:21didn't look
1:04:22into tails
1:04:32what kind of knife did you have on you
1:04:33tonight
1:04:35a little throwing knife where'd you have
1:04:38it in your front pocket
1:04:39yes
1:04:44do you own any saws or
1:04:48anything like that no
1:04:51there's not anything in your car is
1:04:53there no
1:04:55in the trunk or anything no when's the
1:04:58last time you
1:04:58actually drove your car
1:05:02like once somewhere in your car
1:05:06within the past few days all right
1:05:08today's
1:05:10was now friday but
1:05:13yesterday was thursday that's when you
1:05:15met me yes
1:05:16have you driven your car this week at
1:05:18all
1:05:19yes what day i don't remember
1:05:23you don't remember
1:05:26what do you remember about your car i
1:05:29drove to kroger
1:05:31in beginsville across the river
1:05:35what do you think that might have been
1:05:38i don't remember you don't remember
1:05:50why would you go to kroger to get
1:05:54something
1:05:54what dinner you got a lot of food in
1:05:58your house right
1:06:00yes what day do you think that might
1:06:04have been
1:06:06was it over the weekend no
1:06:10was it monday i don't think so
1:06:14was it tuesday i don't think so
1:06:17what day would you think it was if you
1:06:19had to pick a day
1:06:20what day was you hungry on
1:06:30wednesday maybe wednesday
1:06:35you don't remember what you bought uh
1:06:39dinner frozen dinner yeah like the
1:06:42frozen
1:06:43section microwave dinner no
1:06:50oh frozen donut you cook in the oven yes
1:06:53okay did you go over there by yourself
1:06:56yes
1:06:57oh my god did you go anywhere else that
1:07:00night
1:07:01yeah that day just over the program when
1:07:04you came home
1:07:06yes did you go anywhere this week
1:07:09like i don't know shopping at the mall
1:07:12or
1:07:13looking at guns at a z or
1:07:17did you go anywhere else no when's the
1:07:20last time you cleaned your car
1:07:23i haven't since i got it back where'd
1:07:26you get it back from
1:07:27my parents would they have before
1:07:31their van was in a wreck
1:07:35so what did they do come get your car or
1:07:38yes
1:07:39so they came to macon got your car and
1:07:41then left the wreck was down here
1:07:45oh and make them yes so they were
1:07:48staying with you when they were in the
1:07:49wreck
1:07:50no
1:07:53well what were they doing to make them
1:07:55the van was going to be worked on
1:07:57here in macon yes well where's the van
1:08:00at now do they got it back
1:08:02it was totaled
1:08:05so they were in macon and they get they
1:08:08were in a wreck in making
1:08:09my mind was and
1:08:13she was down here making because the air
1:08:16conditioner was malfunctioning
1:08:18why was she a making though because
1:08:21there's a place
1:08:22in macon that's the best at air
1:08:25conditioning repair
1:08:26and you told her about to come down to
1:08:29making to get her recognition fixed
1:08:31no how do you know that
1:08:34she told me oh so she just drove to
1:08:37making to get her air conditioner fixed
1:08:39yes she was in a wreck yes total outer
1:08:43car
1:08:43her van yes so she came to your house
1:08:47to get your car i drove her back
1:08:51i was following
1:08:54you you drove her back to where to my
1:08:58apartment
1:08:59where was the van it was towed
1:09:03okay because it's should told at your
1:09:05apartment
1:09:06spend the night with you no she stayed
1:09:09just a few minutes and leave or what she
1:09:12stayed about an
1:09:13hour when's the last time you talked to
1:09:16your mother glenda
1:09:18i don't remember was it been a while
1:09:22it's been a few days do you call her
1:09:25every day
1:09:26no you don't check on the kids
1:09:32no
1:09:35show me that scratch again that you
1:09:36showed me earlier that was it uh
1:09:41what what did you say happened there i
1:09:44think i scratched myself in my sleep
1:09:48oh
1:09:52are you gonna be able to help me with
1:09:54this case or not because i need to tell
1:09:56the parents something huh
1:09:58i don't know
1:10:02you don't know what you don't know what
1:10:04happened here
1:10:06why don't you know if you can help
1:10:08because i don't know if i
1:10:09know what you need i need to know
1:10:14if you know where lauren's at
1:10:17or do you know who took alarm i tell him
1:10:19you told me that if you were working the
1:10:21case you would think somebody would take
1:10:23her when she was running
1:10:25why would you say that when we looked in
1:10:27her apartment there was no sign it was
1:10:30broken into
1:10:35okay so you're figuring something i
1:10:37might have took her while she was out
1:10:38running
1:10:39yeah so did you see her go running this
1:10:43weekend
1:10:44at all yeah well that would help if you
1:10:46did
1:10:49what time does she normally run at night
1:10:51or daytime
1:10:53can you at least tell me that i don't
1:10:56know
1:10:57did you like to run into early morning
1:10:59or the late night
1:11:01the last time i saw her was midday like
1:11:04noonish yes okay
1:11:08she was going running when i was coming
1:11:10back from bar prep
1:11:13has that been a while two or three weeks
1:11:19okay did she speak to you no
1:11:24you just just saw her out run i was in
1:11:27my car
1:11:30well did you see her when you're like
1:11:32pulling in the parking lot or you just
1:11:33saw her run down the road
1:11:37was she outside her apartment getting
1:11:39ready to go run or was she already
1:11:40running at the time you saw her
1:11:42already running okay she was by running
1:11:45by herself
1:11:46yes she'd have a dog with her didn't she
1:11:52no
1:11:54did you get along with everybody when
1:11:55you work down with the district
1:11:56attorney's office
1:11:58yes no problems no
1:12:01do you like doing what you used to do
1:12:04down there or what
1:12:06yes
1:12:12who did you work for i mean who was your
1:12:15did you help out everybody or were you
1:12:16assigned to just
1:12:19a certain person mainly jonathan adams
1:12:24okay how long do you work down there
1:12:28spring semester you enjoy doing that
1:12:31kind of work
1:12:32yes so you should be able to help me
1:12:35right
1:12:36yes because you're on our side right yes
1:12:39all right what do you think i need to do
1:12:43i don't know there we go again with that
1:12:46i don't know
1:12:47come on now you can give me some advice
1:12:50right you can't give me some advice
1:12:58on what i should do next huh
1:13:06you can't tell me what you think i
1:13:08should do next
1:13:10i don't know well we found a body
1:13:14outside the apartment right we know that
1:13:16right yes
1:13:19you're saying you didn't hear or see
1:13:22anything
1:13:22like the whole time you've been there
1:13:24over the weekend right right
1:13:26we've talked to you right right we've
1:13:29talked to most
1:13:30of all her friends is there anybody else
1:13:32we need to talk to
1:13:34that you might know that we didn't
1:13:37i don't know let's talk about the
1:13:40apartment complex anybody in that
1:13:42complex of where
1:13:43anybody else we need to talk to i don't
1:13:46know who you have
1:13:47talked to
1:14:01who lives below you an older woman
1:14:04and her son were they home tonight or
1:14:07today
1:14:09i don't know you did sam no
1:14:13do you ever see them yes
1:14:19but you don't know if they were home
1:14:20today
1:14:23she doesn't have a car so it's really
1:14:26hard to tell if they're home yes you
1:14:29ever talk to her
1:14:31yes does she work anywhere
1:14:35i don't know do you ever get tired of
1:14:39saying i don't know
1:14:50what else you got in your wallet there
1:14:52bro
1:14:54my bear card what's that used for
1:14:57to get into the building
1:15:02what else you got my bank card
1:15:09that croaker card is that the card you
1:15:12use a chroma
1:15:22yes
1:15:25since you don't know the last time you
1:15:26were there
1:15:28i'm i'm assuming you used your card when
1:15:30you were there
1:15:32yes right i always use my card
1:15:37so i'm gonna write down a number
1:15:44you can remember that you always use
1:15:45your card but you can't remember last
1:15:47time you were there
1:15:49i always use my card what if you didn't
1:15:51use them
1:15:54what else you got in there
1:15:57my borders card
1:16:09and card
1:16:15my id
1:16:23what's that voter registration
1:16:31what's that marcia what's that mercer
1:16:34lock half card
1:16:35what's that use a free cab right home oh
1:16:37that's just the phone numbers
1:16:38numbers for cab companies here
1:16:41micah what's that car right there
1:16:48gamestop
1:16:53no phone numbers or anything yeah
1:17:05okay put your money back up and there's
1:17:08a hundred dollar bill up under there
1:17:10what do you roll with all that money you
1:17:12buy it for
1:17:13my granddaddy gave it to me
1:17:26do you take any medication no
1:17:29have you ever taken any medication no
1:17:33do you have any kind of mental problems
1:17:42no
1:17:44you know what's crazy i was talking to
1:17:46people that he works with and everything
1:17:48they talk about how
1:17:49he always expresses themselves he's very
1:17:53talkative they say you're so talkative
1:17:55buddy that you always so
1:17:56friendly you stop in and say hello and
1:17:59you talk
1:18:00what why is it that you're acting so
1:18:02short with us tonight if you if you have
1:18:04all this captive personality about you
1:18:06why is it that everything that we get
1:18:08from you is yes no or i don't know
1:18:11i don't know well you sure were talking
1:18:15to the media tonight
1:18:17weren't you
1:18:21they asked what happened yeah that's
1:18:23what we're asking you what happened
1:18:24what'd you tell them
1:18:26i told them you just knew that you
1:18:28didn't know
1:18:34do you drink it all do you drink beer no
1:18:40it looks like i don't know stuff i don't
1:18:42know
1:18:47stephen
1:18:51you know
1:18:55we have to go to our best resources when
1:18:57we're trying to do anything
1:19:00you know it's kind of like the guy who
1:19:01wants to get his oil changed she goes to
1:19:02jitki luke
1:19:03you know what i'm saying we're looking
1:19:05for lauren and you said you were her
1:19:07friend
1:19:09aren't you her friend yes y'all good
1:19:12friends
1:19:12yes how good friends are y'all good
1:19:16friends like how good of
1:19:20don't friends you don't understand
1:19:24you don't understand how good our
1:19:25friends all are
1:19:27you don't understand what you're asking
1:19:30how good of friends are y'all
1:19:32friends are y'all close friends
1:19:36are y'all just acquaintances
1:19:39um y'all study i mean how good are
1:19:42friends y'all
1:19:44we're friends are y'all really good
1:19:46friends
1:19:48i don't know you don't know how do you
1:19:51not know if you're not a really good
1:19:52friend
1:19:53let me ask you this maybe you're saying
1:19:56that because
1:19:57you don't know how she feels about you
1:20:00how do you feel about her do you
1:20:02consider her a really good friend
1:20:06she's a friend but not a really good
1:20:09friend
1:20:11i don't know you don't know how do you
1:20:12not know
1:20:14i don't know what you mean by really
1:20:16good
1:20:19are y'all really close no
1:20:22no you're not no so y'all you never told
1:20:25her any of your personal business
1:20:27no she ever tell you any of hers no
1:20:32you ever see her upset no
1:20:35she was always a happy person wasn't she
1:20:44yes
1:20:46why are you acting like this stephen
1:20:52you see how i'm able to talk in complete
1:20:54sentences
1:20:56like we're having a conversation but the
1:20:59only thing you're bringing to the table
1:21:00is a yes no or i don't know
1:21:07why is that stephen
1:21:11i don't understand you don't understand
1:21:14what don't you understand
1:21:18i want to be able to help you commit to
1:21:20be able to communicate with me better
1:21:22than that stephen
1:21:24i feel like we can help each other
1:21:33stephen did you hurt that girl no
1:21:39do you know where she's at no
1:21:44would you tell me if you did yes
1:21:57have you lied to me at all in this
1:21:58interview no
1:22:01yes you have stephen
1:22:05you just you have when you say you don't
1:22:09know
1:22:10when the last time you cleaned your
1:22:12bathroom is
1:22:15that's a lie
1:22:18when you say you don't know the last
1:22:20time you saw her coming
1:22:22out of her apartment you don't notice
1:22:24whether or not she comes in and out
1:22:26that's another lie your door is only a
1:22:29few feet from hers
1:22:36you've told some lies in this interview
1:22:37stephen
1:22:42without a doubt when was the last time
1:22:45you did laundry
1:22:47a few weeks ago you ain't washed clothes
1:22:50in a few weeks
1:22:52yeah why i have a lot of clothes no you
1:22:56don't that's another lie
1:23:04that's right that's three lives steven
1:23:07you don't have a lot of clothes
1:23:09yes i do no
1:23:15you got enough underwear to last you
1:23:17three weeks
1:23:18yes do you wear the same pair of
1:23:21underwear more than one day
1:23:23yes why
1:23:28because it's still clean enough to wear
1:23:37stephen i appreciate you coming down
1:23:39here today and talking to us okay
1:23:42i appreciate you cooperating with us and
1:23:45and helping us along but you've lied to
1:23:49me
1:23:50about at least three things in this
1:23:51interview
1:23:54and people don't lie unless they got
1:23:55something to hide
1:23:57why would you lie to me stephen i didn't
1:24:00lie
1:24:01sure you did you said you don't even
1:24:04notice when she comes in and out of her
1:24:06apartment
1:24:07that's a lie stephen i said i didn't
1:24:10remember the last time
1:24:12have you ever watched her go in our
1:24:14apartment no
1:24:16you've never how long y'all been
1:24:17neighbors three years
1:24:19three years you've never watched her
1:24:21walk through her front door
1:24:23yes
1:24:26five seconds i said you ever watched her
1:24:28walk into apartment you said no
1:24:35so i'm going to ask you again if you
1:24:36ever watched her walk into her apartment
1:24:38yes when was the last time
1:24:44a long time ago how long
1:24:47before graduation it's been that long
1:24:50and you graduated when in may
1:24:58beginning of may in the main in the
1:25:00middle
1:25:02and you haven't seen her walk in her
1:25:03apartment since no
1:25:06did you ever help her carry up groceries
1:25:07and stuff like that no
1:25:10never no you have an apple care laundry
1:25:14no
1:25:18she's never needed your help with
1:25:19anything
1:25:21she asked for help with the computer you
1:25:24ever offer help with her for anything
1:25:26katie and stuff or anything like that
1:25:29yes like what stephen when she was
1:25:32moving out
1:25:33during the first summer
1:25:36what did you do she needed help moving
1:25:39stuff to her car
1:25:41and you helped her yes so you went in
1:25:43out of her apartment moving stuff
1:25:45yes
1:25:49how long did you help her a few minutes
1:25:53that's it yes do you realize how you're
1:25:56talking right now does that not feel
1:25:57weird to you
1:25:59no would you say that this is how you
1:26:03talk all the time
1:26:05i don't understand
1:26:10you're just not expressing yourself at
1:26:13all
1:26:14everything's with you is yes no
1:26:17i don't remember i don't understand
1:26:24you can't help me out with anything you
1:26:26there's nothing you can tell me to help
1:26:27me about this
1:26:29beautiful girl right here stephen that
1:26:30was your friend
1:26:35nothing you gonna let things go down
1:26:36like this
1:26:41i don't know what you want i want the
1:26:44truth stephen
1:26:46i don't know where she is let me ask you
1:26:49this
1:26:50you actually believe you don't know
1:26:52where she is right now
1:26:55where was she yesterday i don't know
1:27:02liar
1:27:10that's right you're lying
1:27:20why are you lying stephen yes you are
1:27:24lying how long do you continue to do it
1:27:27she's got a mother and a father and a
1:27:29family out there that is
1:27:31sick over everything where is that
1:27:34little girl stephen
1:27:36i don't know stephen you know
1:27:41where i don't know steven
1:27:46you're gonna look at this right here
1:27:47this little girl right here
1:27:50and you're gonna say you don't know i
1:27:53know you know
1:27:55i don't know yes you know what are you
1:27:56gonna say tomorrow when i say we got
1:27:58your hair
1:27:59with the body what are you gonna say to
1:28:03me then
1:28:06cause you know like i go like that
1:28:09look at my hair that's how easy it falls
1:28:12out
1:28:13look at all that on your head you don't
1:28:16think none fell out it did
1:28:22it did stephen
1:28:26we just want to give you an opportunity
1:28:28to tell it
1:28:30so you didn't look like a monster at the
1:28:31end because you know what i don't
1:28:33believe that you're a monster stephen
1:28:35i believe that you're a good guy you've
1:28:37been picked on
1:28:39girls didn't show you the respect that
1:28:40you deserved you did something stupid
1:28:43and i believe you feel bad about it and
1:28:46that's why you're all
1:28:46freaked out right now but i'm giving you
1:28:50the opportunity to get right
1:28:52i'm giving you an opportunity to show
1:28:54everybody you're not a monster
1:28:56that you feel bad about what happened
1:28:58your hair is there man
1:29:02your hair is there we got your hair with
1:29:05the body
1:29:07how's that stephen i don't know yes you
1:29:10do know
1:29:15yes you do know stephen
1:29:21that's right buddy see that
1:29:26look at it
1:29:30see how easy
1:29:36it happens and it happened to you
1:29:41why stephen
1:29:45i don't understand oh you understand
1:29:49you understand exactly what i'm saying
1:29:52see this stuff right here your hair
1:29:54yeah it fell out of your head when you
1:29:56was moving the body stephen
1:30:04that's right do you remember moving the
1:30:06body
1:30:09yeah yes you do stephen
1:30:16why man what happened
1:30:22why
1:30:27tell me bud i didn't do it yes you did
1:30:30stephen
1:30:31your hands with the body quit lying
1:30:36we want you to tell it so that way
1:30:38people understand you're not a monster
1:30:40things just
1:30:41you got out of control it's a sickness
1:30:48why'd you do it stephen stephen
1:30:53why are you gonna keep telling that
1:30:56you hurt that girl yes you did stephen
1:31:04you heard her man
1:31:07she was screaming
1:31:10screaming stephen
1:31:13why and i know you feel bad about it
1:31:19i can see it in your face
1:31:22what came over you man
1:31:27what happened stephen i don't know
1:31:31i know you don't know you can't you
1:31:34couldn't control it could you
1:31:36i didn't do it steven
1:31:40how long were we gonna continue to do
1:31:41this you did
1:31:45why is what i want to know i didn't do
1:31:48it
1:31:53steven you hurt that girl man and you
1:31:56got on the news today
1:31:59that's right you know what you've been
1:32:01talking like this on the news buddy
1:32:11you hurt this girl no i didn't yes you
1:32:13did
1:32:16you hurt that girl
1:32:33why'd you hurt her stephen i did you
1:32:36hurt that girl
1:32:37did you try to make her have sex with
1:32:38you i didn't
1:32:40color who did it
1:32:43they got your hair they steal your hair
1:32:46and take it over there
1:32:51stephen they steal your hair
1:32:57they didn't did they
1:33:01did they stephen
1:33:06that's right it's all sinking in right
1:33:09now
1:33:10he knows is what you're thinking
1:33:14stephen i don't want it to be a game
1:33:16between me and you
1:33:20i know it hurts and i know you're not an
1:33:22awful person and you want to tell it
1:33:24your hair was there stephen we've all
1:33:27known it all along
1:33:31we wanted just to give you an
1:33:32opportunity to tell what happened
1:33:38don't have sex no
1:33:42do you try to have sex no
1:33:45you think about have mistakes no liar
1:33:50what kind of man doesn't think about
1:33:52having sex
1:33:58you said earlier you like girls right
1:34:00yes you said she's a pretty girl right
1:34:03yes what'd you do to her stephen
1:34:06i didn't do anything you're lying you
1:34:09hurt that girl
1:34:10no i didn't sure did that's why you're
1:34:12having this massive meltdown right now
1:34:15because you can't live with yourself can
1:34:17you
1:34:18it's overwhelming you in it tell the
1:34:22truth stephen
1:34:23i didn't do it who did it i don't know
1:34:26yes you do stephen
1:34:44wow
1:34:48why did you hurt that girl i didn't
1:34:52why'd you hurt your stephen i didn't
1:35:09you heard that girl no i didn't sure you
1:35:12did
1:35:14you know it and i know it
1:35:17you just don't want to tell it steven
1:35:19but that's okay
1:35:21i know it i just want to give you an
1:35:23opportunity to tell it
1:35:25so people didn't think you were a
1:35:26monster
1:35:32you're not a monster are you stephen no
1:35:38i know buddy i know you're not a monster
1:35:44tell me what happened i don't know
1:35:48you tried to have sex with her no she
1:35:50didn't want to have sex with you
1:35:52i didn't do it she didn't want to have
1:35:54sex with steve
1:35:56i don't know you don't know if she
1:35:58wanted to have sex with you
1:36:01i didn't do anything yes you did steven
1:36:10you went into her apartment stephen
1:36:15and you hurt that girl no i didn't
1:36:20you did buddy
1:36:26you heard her steven no i didn't
1:36:30you did
1:36:35why won't you tell me stephen i didn't
1:36:38do it
1:36:49take this with me you don't deserve to
1:36:50look at it
1:36:52just stay right here okay okay
1:36:57i appreciate all your cooperation
1:36:59tonight okay
1:37:04okay
1:42:19all right we're getting ready though i
1:42:21just need to discuss a few more things
1:42:23with you
1:42:25you know the reason why we're down here
1:42:27is because lauren's missing
1:42:28right i just need you
1:42:32to please tell me
1:42:37give me a worry you i know earlier today
1:42:40you told me you stayed home all weekend
1:42:42right in your apartment
1:42:44yes
1:42:48and uh did anybody see you
1:42:53did you talk to anybody over the weekend
1:42:55were you on your computer
1:42:56all weekend is there anything i can look
1:43:00at
1:43:01that i can say
1:43:04he couldn't be involved because he was
1:43:07on the computer
1:43:09or he was online on a porn site or
1:43:13he was online doing college work or
1:43:16anything
1:43:18that would exclude you as being involved
1:43:20altogether i mean
1:43:23did anybody see this weekend at the
1:43:24house
1:43:26did you go out to get a newspaper
1:43:30did you wave to a neighbor or you just
1:43:32locked yourself in all week
1:43:34yes nobody saw you no
1:43:38i mean what do you just stay in the
1:43:40house all day
1:43:41yes i mean what do you do all day in the
1:43:43house
1:43:44play video games by yourself yes
1:43:49you never talk to anybody on the phone
1:43:51or anything
1:43:52if they call me well who calls you
1:43:57parents i mean you've always done that
1:44:00your whole life
1:44:01you don't have no friends how can you go
1:44:03your whole life without a friend
1:44:06i have friends we're there
1:44:13we're there
1:44:18you have any friends here making yes
1:44:20name one because everybody talked to
1:44:22said the ain't your friend
1:44:23ryan granger cass lawson
1:44:27ashley morehouse
1:44:31the same people i've talked to today and
1:44:33they're not your friend
1:44:36okay they're not your friend
1:44:46i mean it's all over anyways
1:44:52i just want to know what was going on
1:44:54tonight
1:44:58the game's over i mean
1:45:02we know what you did there so we just
1:45:04won't know what you
1:45:06if you're gonna tell us or not i didn't
1:45:08do anything well
1:45:10that's what you say but we know
1:45:13different
1:45:14so you're [ __ ] either way
1:45:19you're [ __ ]
1:45:23we already know
1:45:27and everybody out there all your friends
1:45:29know that you're down here
1:45:31because of what happened alarm so all
1:45:34those friends that you thought you had
1:45:36are not your friends anymore
1:45:42okay there'll be no more video games
1:45:46all right
1:45:53this is the end
1:45:56is there anything you want to say i
1:45:59didn't do anything
1:46:00well that's what you say
1:46:05that's what you say stick to your story
1:46:09because it's over we're tired talking to
1:46:12you
1:46:15okay we know you killed her
1:46:18we know you put her body in the trash
1:46:19can
1:46:22simple as that
1:46:25the news media knows it
1:46:28glenda knows that your mother your
1:46:31sister knows it
1:46:33your sister's husband knows it the one
1:46:36that used to beat your sister
1:46:38he knows it you know what he said
1:46:43he said he's a crazy [ __ ] is
1:46:44what he said
1:46:46when i called him that's your own family
1:46:50calling you crazy
1:46:55your own family said you crazy
1:47:06nobody wants to see you
1:47:09nobody's coming to visit you
1:47:15so you can sit there with that dumb look
1:47:16on your face
1:47:18but it's over
1:47:22you enjoyed yourself and it's all over
1:47:24now
1:47:27okay
1:47:30anything you want to say i don't know i
1:47:33didn't do anything
1:47:35that's what you say but i'm telling you
1:47:38you did
1:47:40okay simple as that you're not in charge
1:47:42i am
1:47:46i just took it away from you that's one
1:47:49thing you can't change brother
1:47:52you can't change that you are no longer
1:47:56in charge of anything
1:48:04okay you understand that
1:48:14yeah talk to glenda she's crying
1:48:26she's supposed to be coming down here
1:48:32i told them the whole story
1:48:37and they told me what you used to tell
1:48:38them about your next-door neighbor too
1:48:46yeah what what you can't say nothing now
1:48:52you're speechless
1:48:57yeah she should be in a little bit
1:49:01i promised her i'd let her see you and
1:49:03the kids i don't know if she's bringing
1:49:05them all or not before you go on down
1:49:08all right okay
1:49:12i didn't do anything it doesn't matter
1:49:14what you think you did
1:49:17doesn't matter it's what i can prove
1:49:20okay
1:49:24okay mr smarty pants
1:49:27hmm
1:49:30promised her i let her see you so i'm
1:49:33waiting on them to get out here
1:49:35all right
1:49:42okay i'm taking glenda's statement
1:49:46about what you used to tell her about
1:49:47your neighbor
1:49:52about what you tell her about your guns
1:49:54and your knives and your sister's
1:49:56husband's coming because he said you
1:49:59crazy
1:50:04your sister is married still right yes
1:50:09he used to beat her back in the day
1:50:15huh are you sitting here thinking about
1:50:18it for a little bit okay
1:50:20okay got plenty of time to think now
1:50:24don't you
1:50:26huh
1:50:30yeah got plenty of time with that
1:50:34you thought you were smarter than
1:50:35everybody else but you're not
1:50:40you're not
1:50:43the sad thing about it is you probably
1:50:45could have made something with your life
1:50:48but you chose a different route because
1:50:50one
1:50:51you don't have a girlfriend and two
1:50:53you're never going to get a girlfriend
1:51:08i'm listening
1:51:11i'm all ears i don't know what you want
1:51:15me to say
1:51:17don't you say nothing you're [ __ ]
1:51:20either way
1:51:24do you understand that i didn't do
1:51:27anything
1:51:29that's what you that's yourself story
1:51:38that's yourself store
1:51:48both ways brother
1:51:52there's both ways
1:51:55ain't gonna be no more yelling ain't
1:51:58nobody gonna yell at you
1:52:00they're gonna come in here and cry and
1:52:02kiss you goodbye
1:52:05i'm gonna take their statement and it's
1:52:07all over
1:52:12you do understand that right i didn't do
1:52:15anything
1:52:16that's what you say
1:52:20that's what you say because you haven't
1:52:23told us anytime
1:52:32do you realize what i'm telling you
1:52:37um
1:52:40okay well you sit there and think about
1:52:42it a little bit okay
1:52:44i'll come back and check on
1:53:00i thought you were smarter than
1:53:01everybody
1:53:04but you [ __ ] up
1:53:08you [ __ ] up somebody always leaves
1:53:12something a crime scene
1:53:15you [ __ ] up
1:53:24you [ __ ] it up
1:53:28first i didn't really believe you had
1:53:29anything to do with it
1:53:37i said man it could have been him he
1:53:38used to work down diesels with us he's a
1:53:40good guy
1:53:43he used to help us out friendly guy and
1:53:45everything
1:53:47could be him he could have done
1:53:49something like that
1:54:07over through talking to you
1:54:10just waiting for them to come visit you
1:54:16are you through with your little show
1:54:18you've been putting on all day
1:54:20huh there you go
1:54:30you're not gonna win
1:54:33too much evidence
1:54:37too much evidence
1:54:47appreciate you talking to me though just
1:54:49hang tight look glitter being out here
1:54:50in a minute
1:54:52all of these will take her to drive down
1:54:56interstate
1:55:02okay
1:55:16uh
1:59:57you

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