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0:00There's no chance I'm going in tonight.
0:02>> Well, you would have, but you told us
0:04everything that happened, and now I
0:06can't let you go home because
0:09of what happened.
0:15On the afternoon of November 21st, 2023,
0:19deputies in Hernando County, Florida,
0:21were called to a dead end area off
0:22Cortez Boulevard after a citizen
0:25reported a strong foul odor and what
0:27appeared to be human remains.
0:29Inside a storm drainage culvert, first
0:32responders found the body of 75-year-old
0:34Debani Cook Resca, dressed only in a
0:37bathrobe and suffering from a fatal
0:39gunshot wound to the chest.
0:41Investigators believed she had been
0:43killed roughly 2 days earlier. A debit
0:46card found in her robe quickly gave
0:47detectives an identity. From there, they
0:50traced to Bany to a nearby Brooksville
0:52home she shared with her adult son, RW
0:55Resca Jr. Major case detectives went to
0:59the residence initially approaching the
1:01encounter as a welfare check and family
1:03notification inquiry. But with Deb's
1:06body found only a short distance away,
1:09detectives now needed to establish what
1:11had happened before her death when she
1:13had last been seen and whether anyone
1:16inside the home could explain how she
1:17ended up concealed in that culvert. Now
1:20investigators sit down with the man who
1:22had been living with her. This is the
1:24interrogation of RW Resca Jr.
1:30>> Hey there. Sorry to keep you waiting.
1:35I really appreciate you coming in.
1:37>> Yeah, I was
1:38>> I know you're skeptical, but listen.
1:39>> No, cuz like I said, every time I want
1:42to go in a jail for something I didn't
1:44do.
1:44>> All right. Well, honestly, um I'm not
1:46the street cop. I'm not like a warrants
1:48guy or anything like that. All I'm all I
1:51do is what I do here is when something
1:52like this happens, I come out. My job is
1:55to try and figure out what happened and
1:56find out why it happened and and who who
1:59did what. Sometimes there's a good
2:00reason why things happen and we don't
2:02always know what they are. Things look
2:04bad sometimes, but once we figure out
2:05what happened, it makes things a little
2:07clearer for us cuz it's every time I
2:11wind up here, it's on my side. I get
2:14blamed for something. Okay.
2:15>> So like I was just telling about my
2:16sister,
2:17>> right? When we was living in Tampa, I
2:20get kicked in the face 10 times because
2:22I had used to have a futon, which I'm
2:24still pissed off that they threw it out
2:26and all the scrappers.
2:28>> But um
2:30>> I had this off work 10:30.
2:33>> I take my [ __ ] off. I was getting ready
2:34to take a shower and I had this bottle
2:36of beer. I took two sips out of it, lit
2:39my cigarette, and didn't even took two
2:42drags off it and fell asleep. Right. I
2:44wake up a few hours later to my sister
2:46kicking me in my face.
2:47>> Jeez.
2:48>> Oh, that is the worst part. I go to jail
2:50for it.
2:52My sister and my friend,
2:54>> right?
2:55>> She I'll get into that later. She sent
2:57me to jail, too. But
2:59>> I'm the one that goes to the jail.
3:01>> Okay.
3:02>> And
3:03they arrest me. They come out. I'm like,
3:05what the hell would I do?
3:06>> Where were you at when these things
3:07happened?
3:08>> No, I was in Hernando. I mean, were you
3:10living in Tampa in
3:11>> Tampa? Nothing up here though, right?
3:13>> No. All right. Well, give us a shot
3:14here, man. Where Tampa
3:18going?
3:18>> I like Hillsboro County instead of Tampa
3:20PD. But
3:23>> they just looked at me. Tampa PD came by
3:25and arrested me,
3:26>> right?
3:27>> I'm like, my face is all cut up and
3:29bruised.
3:30>> What you going to do when you kicked in
3:31the face? You're going to try to fight
3:32back.
3:33>> You're defending yourself.
3:34>> Yeah. Especially after you're sleep and
3:36I'm the one that goes to jail. And she
3:39had just got arrested a few months
3:41before that for
3:44attacking her boyfriend and put a pillow
3:46on her face and her knee on his neck.
3:49>> Wow. That's pretty crazy.
3:50>> And soon as I get to jail, they had to
3:53which I everybody said, "The cops do
3:55that? The cops do that?" I'm like, "No."
3:57>> Yeah.
3:57>> My sister did.
3:58>> Wow. And when the people had to um come
4:01and put my medicine on my face,
4:05a lady comes by and says, "You got her
4:08sister named Danny?" I'm like, "She did
4:11that?"
4:12>> They knew her.
4:13>> Yeah. Oh, they actually I really never
4:16met her, but they I guess they lived
4:19down the street from one of them when
4:20they first moved from Tampa.
4:21>> Okay.
4:22>> Well, moved to Tampa.
4:23>> No worries.
4:24>> Well, my sister moved to um Texas.
4:27>> Gotcha. Well, listen. What I want to do
4:29is I don't know anything about you or
4:30your family. I never met you guys
4:32before. So, what I'm going to do is I'm
4:33just going to talk a little bit, ask you
4:34some questions about your family. Just
4:36kind of so I get to know more about how
4:37your dyn your family is and was and how
4:39everything's going. And I don't know
4:41everybody's names. So, I'm going to have
4:43that you remember people's names in the
4:45world.
4:45>> Now, your name is RW, right?
4:47>> That's it. And does it stand for any
4:49>> noob? N. Are you named after anybody in
4:51the family?
4:52>> Um, no.
4:53>> Who came up with that name? Do you
4:56believe me? I get tired of talking about
4:57it.
4:58>> Well, well, I never heard it.
4:59>> Well, it's hard like I call T Y
5:03and there's a couple of different ways
5:04to spell.
5:05>> So, instead of giving you a full name,
5:06they just use initials. So, that saves
5:07everybody will go on like Robert William
5:09or whatever it is.
5:12>> They uh I was
5:15going to hell. That's why your parents
5:17name you cuz you're stupid. Running from
5:19watermelon, rotting water.
5:21>> Is that what kids told you when you were
5:22little or Yeah. Well, kids are idiots.
5:25>> What's our Oh, the best part. I've been
5:28having problems with the phone,
5:30>> right?
5:30>> What What do you get?
5:33>> Have you ever problem with your phone?
5:36>> Yeah.
5:38>> What nationality was the person on?
5:40>> Probably some foreign somebody can't
5:42understand.
5:42>> Indian.
5:43>> Yeah.
5:44>> What What did you write down for my
5:46name?
5:46>> I have R RW and I don't Let me see what
5:49your last name I have.
5:50>> Presa RCA.
5:52>> RCA. Yeah, I have that. So, you have a
5:54middle name.
5:56>> And get this. What's your birthday?
5:58>> Uh 4370 4370. And what's your phone
6:02number? You have cell phone, right?
6:03What's that number?
6:04>> Um,
6:12and who lives at your house where you
6:13live? It's just you.
6:15>> I last name.
6:20And she got the same as last name as
6:22you.
6:22>> Well,
6:24>> dad's name. No,
6:25>> her her husband's name.
6:27>> Well,
6:27>> but that's your dad, right?
6:30>> Is Yeah.
6:31>> Okay. Four.
6:34>> Cool. And do you know her birthday?
6:41>> Okay. Uh, does anybody else live in your
6:43house?
6:44>> No.
6:44>> Do you have any brothers or sisters? a
6:46sister, but she's
6:49>> she's not here right now.
6:50>> She's here in Florida somewhere.
6:52>> Okay.
6:53>> And in the house, I guess.
6:55>> Okay. What's her name?
6:57>> Uh, same.
6:58>> Same as what?
6:58>> Dabney.
6:59>> Yeah.
7:00>> Oh, cool.
7:00>> And her middle name's Teresa Resca.
7:03>> Is it t e r or t h e r?
7:05>> I don't know.
7:06>> I'll just put theres. I'll spelled the
7:07way I want. I'll look it up later.
7:09>> What's her birthday?
7:10>> Uh,
7:12two. Who's first? Uh 21168.
7:17>> All right. Does she have a phone number?
7:18You know, off the top of your head?
7:20>> No.
7:21>> All right. And you don't know where
7:22she's living right now?
7:23>> She's in a nut house somewhere.
7:24>> You don't know where that place is at?
7:26She's visiting right now.
7:27>> No, she was in Hillsboro County for a
7:30year and a half. Then they sent her up
7:33one of them nutouses somewhere.
7:35>> I guess why did she go there in the
7:36first place? What happened?
7:39>> I don't know. I couldn't explain why I
7:41got kicked in the face 10 times when I
7:43was sleeping. So, so is your sister
7:46diagnosed with any kind of conditions?
7:48>> Well, my mom says if she had um
7:55something to um the thyroid surgery,
7:58they took her thyroid out.
8:00>> Okay.
8:00>> I guess she wasn't taking her medication
8:02and
8:02>> Okay. So, the thyroid when they took it
8:04out disrupted her system,
8:06>> I guess so. But she didn't take her
8:08medication.
8:10Was she always that way even growing up
8:11or did she become that way after that
8:13surgery?
8:13>> Yeah, everybody's saying that that was
8:16>> that sucks.
8:17>> Surgery or whatever.
8:17>> So, what's your dad's name?
8:19>> Uh, well passed away.
8:21>> What's his name?
8:22>> Don.
8:23>> Don.
8:24>> DN.
8:25>> D O N.
8:27>> Oh, cool. What's his last name? Rescue.
8:28RCO.
8:29>> Mhm.
8:29>> Rescott.
8:30>> Resca. And what's uh you remember his
8:32birthday?
8:33>> Uh 26
8:3645. I remember the day but no never the
8:39year.
8:39>> That's okay.
8:40>> Now, what happened to him? Why he passed
8:43away? What's wrong?
8:44>> He had a couple of strokes from
8:47diabetes.
8:48>> And plus, he caught CO in the damn
8:51hospital.
8:52>> The worst place.
8:53>> Yeah. In the hospital. Yeah.
8:54>> So, is the CO what made him pass at that
8:56point or do you still make it past that?
8:58>> Well, yeah. that he was using he they
9:01had um
9:04occupational therapy and
9:08physical therapy come by like
9:10>> okay every week
9:11>> to your house
9:12>> Mhm.
9:13>> Okay.
9:13>> But he passed away and
9:15>> he passed away at your house.
9:17>> Mhm.
9:18>> Well, he was his family, you know.
9:19>> Well, that's how I found I had just
9:21talked to him and I said, "You want to
9:24eat?" And he said, "No."
9:26And no kid, two hours later, my mom went
9:29in there and he passed away.
9:32>> You know, not for nothing that, you
9:33know, uh my dad had cancer. He was a
9:35firefighter, so he had probably cancer
9:37from fighting fires, all the smoke. And
9:39he passed away at my house, too. And as
9:41sucky as that is, at least he was with
9:43his family. You know, everybody was
9:44around and he was surrounded by us
9:47instead crazy nurses and doctors in a
9:49hospital where nobody can come and visit
9:51you. So, I'm sorry you lost your dad.
9:53>> Yeah. Yeah. Not at home. That's the
9:56other thing I told them. It's like
9:59>> the sheriff's office had to sit out
10:01there a while
10:04>> and
10:05said I'm like why you taking this
10:07medication?
10:08So where's it going? He we he bagged up
10:11all his medication. We cuz he had to
10:13wait for the um mortician guy to come
10:16by.
10:16>> Okay. Yeah. We got to take the medicine
10:18with us. We can't leave it in the house.
10:20If a person passes away, we got to take
10:22all their prescriptions with us. It's
10:23just the wall because we don't want any
10:25kids finding it and eating it or other
10:28people in the house abusing it or
10:30anything like that. Not saying you would
10:32that it's just a procedure we have to
10:33follow.
10:34>> Um yeah, and you told me they arrested
10:36you, but that's another thing. We don't
10:38have discretion, so to say. Like if I
10:42pulled you over, I don't have to give
10:43you a ticket. I could, but I don't have
10:45to. I can give you a warning and say
10:46please don't. But when it comes to
10:48warrants, if somebody runs your name and
10:50it comes up as a warrant, we can't say,
10:53"No, the guy lost his dad. Let's leave
10:55him alone." We're not allowed to do
10:56that. We have to arrest you.
10:58>> That's how I found out the sheriff was I
11:00gave him his name and
11:01>> right
11:02>> now. They said, "Um,
11:04he never said nothing cuz I was sitting
11:06out there and he said, "What are you
11:07staring at?" I'm like, "There's
11:08something trying to come off the ground
11:10right there."
11:11I said, "It's either a mole cuz we got
11:14problems with moles,
11:15>> right?" pouring one of them um dung
11:16beetles.
11:17>> Yeah.
11:18>> But I couldn't It never came all the way
11:20up. I kept seeing the dirt go up.
11:22>> Yeah.
11:22>> He never said but like 10 11:00 at night
11:27>> they knock on the door.
11:28>> They came back now or were they always
11:30still sitting there?
11:31>> No, they he got about 10:00 in the
11:34morning.
11:34>> Oh, okay.
11:35>> And he sat out there a couple hours
11:37waiting for the mortician guy to come
11:39by.
11:40>> Then they came by like 10:30, 11:00 at
11:44night.
11:44>> Okay. Okay. No, no, no. Asking for me.
11:45I'm like, what they want?
11:47>> Hey, they said you got a warrant for
11:48arrest. I'm like, for what?
11:50>> Yeah.
11:51>> What was it for?
11:52>> Um,
11:54>> did you miss court or something?
11:58>> Uh,
11:59>> like a violation of probation. No.
12:01>> You to appear?
12:03>> Yeah, that was it. Cuz um we had just
12:05moved out there and I get like the only
12:09way they let me up. They said, "What's
12:10your address?" I'm like, "We just moved
12:12and I don't know the address." And I
12:14gave the well, I call them a public
12:17pretender cuz they want they want to
12:19help you, but they zips they see so many
12:21people.
12:21>> Yeah.
12:22>> You don't get to talk to them that much.
12:24>> And I I gave him my phone my mom's phone
12:26number over the um the video phone.
12:29>> Mhm.
12:30>> And they let me out, two days later.
12:33>> And I gave the lawyer my the my new
12:36address and everything, right? And they
12:38said they sent um they had arrest I
12:41think it might have been violation
12:42probation.
12:43>> Okay. VOP.
12:44>> Yeah. I think. Yeah. They said I'm like
12:46for what? I gave the um lawyer the
12:48address and I sent the new address and
12:51then I had to go do this run around the
12:53clo I had to go to clerk court.
12:56>> Yep.
12:56>> And I said I just talked to the public
12:59pretenders office. Now I got to call
13:01back over there.
13:02>> Yeah.
13:02>> And I got an understanding.
13:04Unfortunately, when they left, somebody
13:06probably ran everybody because we were
13:08supposed to run everybody's names. Let's
13:09make sure there's no warrants. We want
13:10to be safe, too, and we don't know
13:12everybody we run across. So, what they
13:14did was they probably left that somebody
13:15ran your name and found out, oh, he had
13:16a warrant. So, when as soon as we run
13:18your name, we have to go act on it. We
13:20can't wait.
13:21>> My dad just died. I'm like, I'm
13:23>> That's pretty sucky. But I'm not
13:24something we have.
13:25>> What did I do? I'm like, they couldn't
13:27tell me.
13:28Well, unfortunately, I'm sorry that
13:31happened to you, but we we we have to do
13:33certain things and we don't have
13:34discretion. So, I apologize that it had
13:36to be that way, but um it's not because
13:37we don't like you. It's just because we
13:39had to do what we had to do.
13:40>> Now, let me ask you this.
13:42>> Did she have any medical history or
13:44medical issues that she had going with
13:45her?
13:46>> Yeah.
13:46>> Do you know what it is?
13:48>> I know one of them injured and she just
13:50had her pacemaker replaced.
13:53>> Okay. It was replaced.
13:54>> Yeah.
13:55>> How long ago was that? Um I want to see
13:58two
14:00well three four months.
14:02>> Three four months ago.
14:03>> Yeah.
14:03>> Okay.
14:04>> Maybe two. I don't remember. And she
14:06just had to go to the
14:07>> Where'd she go for that to get
14:08>> uh TGH?
14:09>> Oh, Tampa General.
14:11>> Do you happen to remember a doctor name
14:12by any chance?
14:13>> No.
14:14>> Uh I would never remember either because
14:15they're all funny names, too.
14:17>> So besides the pacemaker, she have any
14:19other medical issues you knew of?
14:24>> High blood pressure. She well she had so
14:26many pills I
14:29>> didn't know all of them were for.
14:31>> Okay. So you know high blood pressure
14:32you know she had a pacemaker replaced.
14:34Anything else you know?
14:35>> Um
14:38>> well she had to go to the
14:42what do you call the butt doctor? I
14:45don't know what the term is.
14:46>> Okay. Okay. For a colonoscopy.
14:48>> Yeah. She went to school and lost
14:50graffiti and but
14:53I guess she got too hungry.
14:56>> She ate when she was supposed to.
14:58>> Yep.
14:59>> And then she had to go back waited a few
15:01more months and go back.
15:02>> Okay.
15:03>> They did a procedure at the
15:07where they do the colonies and she said
15:09you got to go back to
15:12>> USF.
15:13Went to USF.
15:15They said they can't do it there. They
15:18got to go the main hospital.
15:20>> Okay.
15:21>> That was
15:21>> But there was nothing wrong. She just
15:23had that.
15:23>> Well, she No, she she had some problems
15:28in both areas.
15:30>> Okay. But it wasn't like they just took
15:32care of it and that was the end of it.
15:33>> No, she Well, she actually had to go
15:35back.
15:35>> Okay.
15:36>> And she was waiting for um
15:38>> All right.
15:40>> Did she smoke cigarettes or anything?
15:43>> Um
15:45she dipped snuff.
15:46>> Dipped snuff.
15:47>> Yeah. The um
15:49like uh well
15:52>> like tobacco like tobacco.
15:53>> Uh yeah, Copenhagen.
15:55>> I got you.
15:55>> Not Copenhagen.
15:57>> Does she uh besides the medicine, does
15:59she do anything else? Does she take
16:00other medicines or she do any other
16:03things? Like uh does she have a
16:05marijuana card? Anything like that?
16:07>> Stain the smell.
16:08>> Okay. Does she drink alcohol at all?
16:11>> Every once in a while.
16:12>> Not a lot though. Just kind of casually.
16:14Does she have any tattoos on her
16:15anywhere?
16:17Okay. She had any surgery scars? You
16:20said she has a pacemaker. So, she have
16:22like something on her where they did
16:23surgery.
16:24>> Yeah. Which she keeps yelling at my dog
16:26cuz she wants to play all the time. And
16:30she's heavy pod and
16:31>> Okay.
16:32>> Keeps hitting it. And
16:33>> where did she get Where did she have the
16:34surgery at? Did she see the scars on her
16:37anywhere? Yeah.
16:38>> No, that's a little one.
16:39>> Just a little little spot. Okay. Um
16:43All right. And
16:46when Okay, so now you do you you drink
16:50alcohol at all?
16:53>> Of not often, but
16:55>> Okay, no big deal. Did you go to school
16:57around here?
16:58>> No.
16:59>> Where'd you go to school at?
17:00>> Texas.
17:00>> Is that where you're originally from?
17:02Were you born in Texas?
17:03>> No, I was born in Boston, grew up in
17:05Texas.
17:06>> Boston? Wow.
17:07>> Been here for like
17:12>> I was going to say 95. So almost 30
17:14years. Wow, that's a long time. So, you
17:17did you bounce around Florida or did you
17:18mainly you stay in uh Tampa and then
17:20come up here?
17:21>> Tampa. Yeah, the rent was cheap up here.
17:23>> Sure.
17:23>> Cuz they said uh buying a house is
17:25cheaper than rent
17:27>> pretty much these days,
17:28>> which the rent was been going up.
17:31>> Everything's going up. So, how long you
17:33been living in Brooksville then? About
17:35>> two
17:37years.
17:37>> Two years. Okay. You working anywhere
17:40right now?
17:42>> Been trying to find a place.
17:43>> Okay. I've been waiting for this taco
17:45place to open up um down the street. But
17:47>> where's that going to be?
17:48>> Um
17:50just on the other side of Wind Dixie
17:53>> up by the interstate.
17:54>> Yeah.
17:55>> Really? It's going to be a taco place
17:57there.
17:57>> Um yeah, I tried I was trying to get a
17:59job at the um breakfast station, but
18:02>> Oh, didn't never return home.
18:05>> Okay.
18:06>> Then to the uh I fill an application out
18:09next door at the pet store vet,
18:12>> right? Well, you like animals, so that'd
18:14be a great place to work.
18:15>> Well, yeah.
18:17Dogs, cats, chickens.
18:18>> You got chickens?
18:19>> Well, one chicken. And
18:21>> where's he at? Was he outside?
18:23>> Well, we got a couple of cages out there
18:27so she can run around, go in there at
18:29night. But
18:30>> she comes in about 5 6:00 and
18:33>> she got a spot on a chair.
18:35>> Really? that she sits on and I got a
18:38little rag on her that when she poops
18:40too much and shake it out.
18:43>> Yeah, that's that's cool.
18:44>> Shake it out and plus 38.
18:47>> Cool thing. When's the last time you
18:48were working anywhere or anything?
18:50>> How long ago was that?
18:52>> Last real job about
18:57[ __ ] I just changed the shirt. Um, I
19:00was drinking juice and
19:02>> I saw what you did.
19:03>> Oh, you see? I saw you. I was out there.
19:06>> Oh, yeah. I was trying to see. They kept
19:07shining lights my eyes. And
19:09>> that's okay. We just want to make sure
19:10everything's safe.
19:11>> So, the shirt you were wearing, was that
19:13the company you were working for?
19:14>> Oh, no. That was um
19:18um
19:19what do you call it? Uh event where all
19:22the people from the um hospitality
19:25industries um go. There was like a
19:29>> big fair there for everybody. They had
19:30to compete in like tracks, stupid little
19:34relays. Awesome. But that last job I was
19:38working for a guy that
19:41which sucks cuz he moved to Texas when
19:44we moved out there.
19:45>> Yeah.
19:46>> I was working with him and he he paid me
19:48like he odd jobs like mowing grass and
19:51>> Okay. Handyman stuff.
19:53>> Yeah.
19:53>> Okay. So, you're good at that stuff?
19:55>> Well, yeah.
19:56>> Okay, cool.
19:59I do all the damn work is I got paid.
20:02>> All right. Um well, again, we just we
20:08just want to find out as much as we can
20:10about your family so we can kind of
20:11figure out what's happening and we can
20:12help solve this.
20:14>> We both been working, but there ain't no
20:16damn buses out here.
20:18>> I got you. No, that's You don't have the
20:20bus out there. Don't do a route out that
20:22way.
20:24>> I haven't seen a bus out there in years.
20:26>> Really? Wow. They all talk about that.
20:29The only place I seen a bus at was in
20:31front of Walmart and we don't know where
20:33they go.
20:34>> I thought they had a route that they
20:35take that's out.
20:36>> I know. But they you got to drive 25
20:39miles that that Walmart that's on Broad
20:41Street,
20:42>> right?
20:43>> That's closest bus stop.
20:45>> Okay. Well, let me ask you this. Uh, did
20:47you graduate high school?
20:48>> Yep.
20:49>> You can read and write. Okay.
20:50>> Yep.
20:51>> Okay. Um,
20:52>> some college.
20:53>> That's okay. What'd you take in college?
20:55>> Um, business law. Awesome. Well, listen.
20:58Um, because you're at the office and
20:59you're talking to us, you're, you know,
21:01you came here on your own and we
21:02appreciate it. We appreciate you coming
21:04down talking to us because it's really
21:05important that we do this. Um, these
21:08guys when you got here, you weren't in
21:09handcuffs, were you?
21:11>> Okay. We told you you were not under
21:13arrest, did we not?
21:14>> Yeah.
21:14>> Okay. So, that's Yeah.
21:16>> And I know you're worried about it, but
21:17I'm but we're being honest with you
21:19here, you know. I'm not trying to trick
21:21you or do anything. That's it. Every
21:22time a cop came over the door and call
21:24my name
21:25>> for what?
21:26>> Well, hopefully hopefully this time when
21:28we talk, it doesn't end the same way and
21:30you can leave here knowing that we were
21:31honest with you and that we're just here
21:33trying to do our job and get
21:34information. That's all we're doing. But
21:36because we're in our office and we're in
21:38our room here, I have to go over this
21:41information with you. And it's not
21:42because you're under arrest. I'm telling
21:44you, you're not under arrest. You You
21:47understand that, right? Okay. But I want
21:49to read you this. This is This is
21:51explaining what your rights are so you
21:53know what they are. But it's because
21:55we're here in the office that I have to
21:56read this not because you're under
21:58arrest. I know when you hear stuff
21:59people hear the stuff on TV, they think
22:01that means they're under arrest. But I'm
22:03trying to explain to you you're not.
22:05Okay. But I do have to read this to you
22:07so you understand what it is. Is that a
22:09warning?
22:09>> Yeah. But you but you understand what
22:12that's for. It's not because you're
22:13under arrest.
22:14>> You understand? I just explain it to
22:16you. Correct.
22:17>> Yeah. You want me to explain it
22:18differently so you understand better?
22:20>> Still worried. I get you. I get you. But
22:22listen, I'm not playing games with you.
22:24I'm telling you, I'm being honest with
22:25you. If you ask me something and I know
22:27the true answer, I'm going to talk to
22:28you about it. If it's something about a
22:30case, I may not be able to talk about it
22:31because I'm not allowed to talk about
22:32certain things about a case. But I'm
22:35going to be upfront with you about stuff
22:37and I just want you to do the same thing
22:39with me. And if we're honest with each
22:41other, this is not going to be no
22:42problem. and we'll get you right back
22:44where you came from so you can take care
22:45of your animals and don't hurt the one
22:48that pooped somewhere. I heard you say
22:49that. So, we don't hurt them.
22:51>> Oh, no.
22:53>> Two loaves of bread.
22:54>> Okay.
22:55>> I brought a few days ago.
22:56>> Yeah.
22:57>> I looked I'm like cuz I seem there's two
23:00that do it all the time.
23:01>> Okay.
23:02>> And I'm like when I they hear me coming
23:04around the corner, they ski down real
23:06quick. And when I turn the light on, I'm
23:08like,
23:10>> you mother? Yeah. I think this ate a
23:12loaf of bread.
23:13>> What you do is you get a little video
23:14camera. Those little ones you put on the
23:15wall and just watch what they're doing.
23:18>> No. And the catch the other one. This
23:20ate my hot dog buns.
23:21>> Oh, brother. Well, I'm sorry about that.
23:24But I'm going to explain this to you
23:25step by step. So, you know, since you
23:26can you graduated school and went to
23:28college, you kind of understand some
23:29things. But I'm just going to read this
23:30to you. Again, this is just a procedure
23:32we follow. If you don't want to talk
23:34anymore, we'll stop whenever we need to
23:36stop. But basically, this is what it
23:38says. I got to read it word for word.
23:39So, just bear with me. says you have the
23:40right to remain silent and anything you
23:42say can uh and will be used against you
23:45in the court of law. You have the right
23:46to talk to a lawyer and have a president
23:47with you while you're being questioned
23:49and if you cannot afford to hire a
23:51lawyer will be appointed to represent
23:53you before any question if you wish and
23:55you can decide at any time to exercise
23:57these rights and not answer any
23:58questions or make any statements. Now
24:01based on what I I said to you, you
24:02understand what I said to you, correct?
24:04>> Yes.
24:04>> You have any questions about what I read
24:05to you? Are you okay?
24:07>> No.
24:08>> No, you don't. What? You don't you don't
24:10have any questions about that?
24:12>> Oh, okay. Okay. So, underneath there,
24:14there's another portion I what we're
24:16talking about. This stuff here is not
24:17pertaining to us. Uh this is just waver
24:19of rights. It says you've read the above
24:21statement of your rights, which I read
24:22to you, and uh you understand each of
24:26these rights and have these rights in
24:27mind. You wave them willing to make a
24:29statement. And all that's saying is
24:30right now you're willing to talk to me
24:31and give me information to help me
24:33figure out what happened with your mom.
24:35And that's all that is. Is that fair
24:36enough?
24:37>> Okay. I just need you to sign here
24:39saying that you acknowledged what I
24:40said. It doesn't hold you responsible
24:42for anything. It just means I read it
24:43and you're okay. So when you sign your
24:45name, do you print it or you sign Okay,
24:48that's good. I can read your
24:48handwriting.
24:50>> Well, you got good printing.
24:52>> Well, I print better than I do cursive.
24:55That's the other thing I seen on the
24:56news the other day. They uh cuz I love
24:58watching the news in the morning.
25:00>> Sure.
25:01Yeah. Yeah. Well, sometimes people sign
25:03their name like doctors and I can't read
25:04it and then I don't remember who I spoke
25:06to. So, I got to have them write their
25:07name underneath it. But you did it just
25:09perfect.
25:10>> But it takes me forever to print.
25:12There's no rush.
25:14>> All right. That's I'm just signing
25:16saying I acknowledge it, too. And like I
25:18said, I do appreciate you coming down. I
25:19know that this is not information you
25:21wanted to hear tonight that you needed
25:23to hear, but unfortunately, we got led
25:26to you because you're her son and and we
25:29need to speak to you about some things.
25:30So, um, you said you went to school,
25:33right? Did you go to school in Texas or
25:34in Tampa?
25:35>> Texas.
25:35>> Texas. What school? Where where in Texas
25:37did you live?
25:38>> Um,
25:40just out outside of Houston.
25:42>> Okay. I have a sister-in-law lives in
25:44Colleen. You know where that's at?
25:46>> That's we Yeah.
25:48>> Yeah. That's
25:50>> She lives up there tornado.
25:52>> Yeah. For real. Um, so you went to
25:55school in Texas. You graduated high
25:56school and you went to college for for
25:57business law, you son. How long did you
26:00go? How much did you get for that? How
26:01far did you go?
26:04>> I want to say year and a half.
26:07>> Really? Did you get a degree in anything
26:08or you didn't quite make it there yet?
26:09>> Yeah, you didn't quite
26:12the second one. Um
26:15I don't know how I never could
26:16understand that.
26:17>> The AA or BA or stuff like that or
26:19>> It was the second one,
26:22>> I think. So,
26:23>> okay, cool. Um so then you've been
26:26working off and on when you can. Um, do
26:29you have is there anything medically
26:30wrong? You have any conditions or
26:32medical stuff?
26:32>> Well, yeah. That's man, matter of fact,
26:35this morning I insurance people I'm like
26:37I was surprised when my phone rang,
26:38>> right?
26:39>> And cuz I'm like my phone hasn't ranged
26:42in forever.
26:43>> I got you.
26:44>> And I've been trying to get insurance,
26:45but they said so many insurance people
26:48call and they said cuz u they need the
26:50um tax information. I really haven't
26:53worked in 10 years.
26:54>> You don't have any tax information?
26:56>> No.
26:57>> Okay.
26:58because says it's well the type of jobs
27:01that I used to do.
27:03>> My hands kind of get messed up. She
27:04thinks I got um
27:07Parkinson's.
27:08>> Okay.
27:08>> Cuz um I used to um work at a t-shirt
27:12factory and um I had got carpal tunnel
27:15real bad.
27:17>> And they everybody looked when I said,
27:18"What?" I had my fingers in the um a cup
27:21of ice. They said, "What's wrong?"
27:23That's Then I look I'm like why you got
27:25the um your fingers on water? Cuz my
27:28fingers are starting to swell up. Said
27:30did you hit it? I'm like no. Did you
27:32burn it? No. And I'm like a little
27:35Vietnamese
27:36came over and say blow look look his
27:39hands. Look. And he knew what it was cuz
27:42it was
27:42>> he had something like that.
27:44>> Copper tunnel. Yeah. Okay.
27:46>> Was carpal tunnels cuz
27:47>> Okay. This hand swoll up and this hand
27:50swoll up and
27:51>> then it changed me to the other side of
27:53factory where I made the um
27:56>> I made like t-shirts like this like
27:58sports t-shirts.
28:00>> Okay.
28:00>> Um
28:02Oh, it's mainly sports.
28:04>> Gotcha.
28:05>> Sports, NASCAR.
28:06>> Oh, that's cool.
28:08>> And I'm extreme.
28:09>> All right. So, uh you haven't been able
28:13to get insurance because of that stuff?
28:14>> Well, no. I I just have I haven't been
28:17able to find a job in the last 10 years.
28:20>> Been getting on me about I'm looking but
28:22they're
28:22>> sure. Now besides having the problems
28:26that you just said, you have any other
28:27medical problems going on with yourself?
28:28>> Um high blood pressure.
28:30>> Okay. Well, kind of everybody's got that
28:32anymore.
28:32>> High blood pressure. Yeah.
28:33>> And you're supposed to go on medicine
28:34for that, but you don't have any money.
28:36>> Yeah. got big benefit when I was in
28:39Hillsboro
28:41>> about a year ago and that's how I found
28:44out cuz my no it was here
28:46>> right
28:46>> my blood pressure went it was like 200
28:50over 190 or something like that
28:53>> right
28:53>> they put me on medication in here
28:56>> then they trenched me over there and
28:57they put me on medication they drew my
28:59blood they didn't say what they uh drew
29:02it was going to draw my blood for
29:03>> okay
29:04>> but I had to go up to the nurse's office
29:06and they called um called me down. I'm
29:08like, "For what?" They said, "Need do a
29:11blood draw." I'm like, "For what?" They
29:13wouldn't tell me what the test was for.
29:14Did you ever find out? Nope. Okay. But
29:18other than what you just said, blood
29:19pressure, you have no other issues that
29:20you're aware of,
29:21>> man. Besides the
29:23>> the fingers and stuff. I got you.
29:26>> All right.
29:28So, growing up,
29:30um how was how was life at your house?
29:32Was everybody How did you grow up? I
29:34mean, everybody grows up different types
29:35of al everybody's good with each other.
29:37No fighting and stuff like that.
29:39>> Normally like brother and sister stuff
29:43and
29:43>> right you and your sister like sibling
29:46stuff.
29:46>> Yeah.
29:46>> Okay.
29:47>> And besides mom and
29:50>> dad stuff.
29:51>> Okay. So was there uh anything in your
29:54family like domestic violence? Did your
29:55mom and dad hit each other, fight with
29:57each other or just argue sometimes,
29:58>> you know, when you get angry?
30:01I
30:03I don't know. They never really did it
30:04in front of us.
30:05>> Okay.
30:06>> Well, I know my mom and dad's when we
30:08was kids, my mom and dad split up for a
30:10while.
30:11>> Okay. They got back together.
30:12>> Mhm.
30:13>> Okay. And then for you guys, when you
30:15guys got in trouble with your parents,
30:16what would normally happen?
30:19>> I spanking.
30:20>> Okay. Anything beyond the spanking? You
30:22ever get hit with switches or
30:24>> So, I I grew up with that stuff. So, get
30:26hit with the belt and things. You messed
30:28up.
30:28>> Yeah. Yeah, you got that stuff, too.
30:32>> And matter of fact, I got hit across the
30:33head with a broom for something.
30:35>> No,
30:35>> I didn't do
30:37>> I was a kid. I was sitting there
30:38watching cartoons
30:40and my mom hits me across the head. I'm
30:42like, "What the hell was that for?"
30:44>> How old are you?
30:45>> Um I think about eight.
30:47>> No. How old are you now?
30:48>> Oh, 53.
30:50>> Oh, okay. Yeah, we ain't grow up too far
30:51apart.
30:52>> And because Yeah. neighbor said I did
30:54something. I I ain't been out the house
30:56yet.
30:57Well, my mom used to say, "If I hit you
31:00for something you didn't do this time,
31:01it's for something you did before you
31:02get caught at."
31:03>> I'm like, "Okay, I got to live with that
31:05one. I got to live with some stuff,
31:07too." So, I guess it kind of evens
31:08itself out over time.
31:10>> So, um, so now you are living in your
31:14house up here. Your dad passed away, so
31:16it's just you and How are you guys
31:18getting by? Like, how are you paying for
31:20bills and stuff?
31:21>> Her, um,
31:23uh, what do you call it? Social
31:25Security, disability, or whatever the
31:27car is.
31:27>> That's the only income you have coming
31:28into the house. Okay. And you're able to
31:30be okay with that to get by?
31:32>> No.
31:33>> I've been I've been trying to find a job
31:35and it's like that's why I said there's
31:37like a taco shop getting ready to open
31:39up.
31:39>> Okay. Well, how do you guys make your
31:41ends meet every month? Well,
31:43>> what do you do to make extra?
31:44>> I get food stamps. Oh, you do? She get
31:47food stamps in. Okay. She got this uh
31:49her um
31:51I guess insurance gives her so much for
31:55um food and overounter stuff.
31:57>> Okay. Are you on disability or anything
31:59or are you just collecting stuff because
32:01of of the amount of money you got coming
32:03into?
32:04>> No, she is.
32:04>> She is. She said you got
32:06>> I just get food stamps.
32:07>> Okay, that's fair.
32:09>> I'm trying to find out if they got
32:11Hernando County insurance cuz I know
32:13Hillsboro County does.
32:15>> Yeah, I don't know about some of that
32:16stuff. You probably have to look into
32:17it. The the courthouse and stuff has a
32:19lot of information.
32:21>> I was there, but I didn't see what it
32:23>> Yeah. You got to go to the right area.
32:24They're doing a lot of construction down
32:26there right now. So, a lot of places was
32:27the library.
32:28>> The library.
32:29>> Got the library.
32:30>> Yeah. The courthouse has a lot of
32:31resources there and they can direct you
32:33to where you need to go to get certain
32:34things. So, you might want to go there
32:36and ask them and they could probably get
32:38you somewhere where you might want to
32:39be. Um, so how did you and your along?
32:43How do you guys get along together? You
32:44guys okay?
32:45>> Fun. You guys fight
32:48arguing about
32:50the dog shooting up.
32:54>> Okay.
32:54>> Yeah. They get rid of that damn dog.
32:57>> So, how many dogs and cats you got?
32:59>> I got three dogs and
33:02I want to see about 20 cats.
33:05>> And your mom's okay with all that or she
33:07That's all you want them but she don't.
33:09>> No, no, no, no, no, no. She when I get
33:12ready uh when they get old and when she
33:14starts naming them, I'm like, "Okay, I
33:16guess we're going to keep that one,
33:18>> right?"
33:20Okay. So, do you let them go at certain
33:21points?
33:22>> Well, actually, she took them down to
33:24the um
33:26there's a park in the neighborhood,
33:28>> right? Oh, it's at the back of Hill.
33:30>> Yeah.
33:30>> You set them loose down there,
33:31>> huh?
33:32>> You set them loose down there.
33:33>> The moose. You set them loose like
33:36>> uh well at about three weeks ago she
33:41took
33:44>> three or four cats down there.
33:46>> Yeah.
33:46>> Two two came back the other day.
33:48>> I was going to say did they make their
33:49way back home?
33:50>> Yeah. And the other one I'm like cuz I
33:52keep my window open cuz it's hot and
33:54>> Yeah.
33:55>> Cuz it cost money to run AC and it don't
33:58really run right.
33:59>> Right.
33:59>> And jump back in the window on here. No,
34:02that's why I I close my door cuz some of
34:05the cats coming through my window,
34:06>> right?
34:08>> And they run around and the dogs I'm
34:10like, "Don't come up here."
34:12>> Yeah, I hear
34:12>> there's some cats that can jump on a
34:14bed, but some of the other cats don't.
34:16>> Sure.
34:16>> And when they go in the window, of
34:18course, they're going to like go crazy.
34:21>> Yeah, I get it.
34:22>> So, so lately like the last few days,
34:26like say from last week. Um, now let me
34:30ask you this. The car that's in the
34:31driveway, is that your car?
34:34All right. And do you have a license to
34:35drive?
34:36>> Uh, suspended.
34:37>> Suspended. Okay. Um, I'm
34:40>> You didn't pay the payments or pay pay
34:41tickets or something?
34:42>> No, it's because
34:45I say go sometimes and she gets dizzy,
34:48>> right?
34:49>> And she falls,
34:50>> right?
34:51>> And
34:53talk about picking her up
34:56and and she getting on me about my
34:58weight.
34:59>> Sure. I like waves as much as I do.
35:02>> Yeah, they get older, we put on waves.
35:04>> Explain your wife cuz I used to ride
35:07bikes all the time to go to um cuz we
35:09didn't have a car and I'm like I used to
35:11drive a bike to go to Wind Dixie and I
35:14save a lot.
35:15>> Well, now you got the two stores right
35:17close to you, the Dollar General and the
35:19Dollar Store there.
35:20>> Yeah. Well, Dollar General,
35:21>> plus you got station down
35:23>> Dollar Tree.
35:24>> Yeah. Then you got the gas station at
35:25the corner.
35:26>> Yeah. The food there's too much.
35:28>> Yeah. Well, I mean, you got something
35:29kind of close you can walk to if you
35:30need to. So, the car belongs to register
35:33only her.
35:34>> Mhm.
35:34>> Okay. But I I
35:36>> She's telling me to drive.
35:37>> I can imagine you have to drive cuz you
35:39have to
35:40>> She gets dizzy and I especially chicken.
35:43I'm like, "Go up there and get chicken."
35:45>> Why would I get that?
35:46>> It is what it is. You got to do what you
35:47got to do.
35:50>> So, like last week, she So, is she
35:52working anywhere right now?
35:54>> No, she kind of looking, but
35:55>> Okay. She's been complaining about her
35:57foot for like 2 3 months.
35:59>> So, did she do something to her foot or
36:01is she just really sore and you don't
36:03know why?
36:03>> I don't know. She uh it happened when I
36:06had uh we went to her dentist
36:08appointment.
36:09>> Mhm.
36:10>> And she came out from the dentist and
36:12was limping. I'm like she don't know
36:14what she did with her foot.
36:15>> Okay. Maybe she just twisted it. She
36:17never got
36:17>> It's like Yeah.
36:19>> It's kind of weird.
36:20>> She said it and then she was she
36:22complains about the chickens digging
36:23holes and
36:24>> Okay.
36:26The holes ain't that deep,
36:27>> right?
36:28>> There is this like
36:29>> but she scratching it.
36:30>> Yeah, twister flint or something.
36:32>> I don't know if she complains about that
36:34every once in a while.
36:36>> But since there ain't no
36:39really grass in a backyard.
36:41>> Sure.
36:42>> She digs and
36:43>> Right.
36:43>> the dog digs in her little holes cuz
36:45they're playing.
36:46>> Sure. Now when um
36:49>> So she's home all day, you're home all
36:51day. So you guys are always around the
36:53house. You'll go out for a little bit
36:54doing your things and she might see her
36:56friends once in a while. That cool. But
36:57you're mainly together at the house for
36:59most of the time as you say. That's
37:00true.
37:01>> She Well, yeah. She go I watch TV in my
37:03room.
37:04>> Okay.
37:04>> Cuz she we watch different things. So
37:07and sometimes the same thing, right?
37:09>> But I close my door and she closes her.
37:12>> But you're in the same house. You're
37:13just doing different things.
37:15>> Okay. So when you go out and visit
37:18friends, you you always I'm going out.
37:20probably die kind of thing or what?
37:21>> No, I'm just saying want to take the
37:24dogs for a walk.
37:25>> Yeah,
37:25>> cuz normally walk sometime when when
37:27it's hot this year and I'm like if they
37:30don't go about 600 7:30
37:34>> I just let them go in my backyard nor at
37:36night. I walk the dogs down the street.
37:39>> All right.
37:40>> And up the hill. I can't even make up
37:41make it up the hill anymore.
37:43>> Right. So
37:46today is um I guess Tuesday. So, if we
37:49go back to last week, say Friday of last
37:53week, because it's the weekends, now
37:54it's coming. Uh, what were you guys
37:56doing on Friday? Did anything ever
37:58happen on Friday? Did you guys go
37:59anywhere, do anything?
38:04>> We basically Well, we basically do the
38:06same thing. So, I be in there room
38:09watching TV or
38:10>> Okay. You guys didn't go anywhere.
38:13>> No, she'd be in the living room watching
38:14TV. So on Friday, would you say you guys
38:17left the house at all to go different
38:18places or you both were in the house for
38:20the whole day?
38:23>> Don't make me better.
38:25>> Friday I might have went to the store to
38:28get the bread.
38:30>> And that would have been what store do
38:31you think you might have went to?
38:32>> When Dixie
38:32>> the one at the interstate
38:34>> and you would drive your mom's car to
38:35get out there cuz it's a long walk.
38:37>> Okay. Um and that's about the only thing
38:40you can say you did.
38:44Yeah.
38:45>> Were you guys fighting at all that day?
38:47Did you guys have any disagreements?
38:48>> No.
38:49>> Anybody get mad at each other for any
38:50reason?
38:51>> No. All she was doing complaining about
38:53her foot.
38:54>> Okay.
38:55>> She goes in there, takes a shower.
38:57>> Sure.
38:59Goes in the backyard, rakes up leaves,
39:01which I just leaves leave the leaves
39:04down. It keeps the dirt down.
39:05>> Sure. Okay. So, now you're at Saturday.
39:09So, now it's the weekend. What are you
39:10guys doing on Saturday?
39:12>> Same thing. Watching TV. Okay. The whole
39:14day didn't go anywhere. Didn't do
39:15anything?
39:16>> No. Well, I went down the street. Uh on
39:19a matter of fact, the guy that um got me
39:21to the car show was supposed to pick me
39:23up, but he didn't pick me up. So, I just
39:25went on Sunday.
39:26>> So, who was this person was supposed to
39:28pick you up?
39:28>> No, I seen him at the um I wasn't um
39:32admiring this guy's car. He said there's
39:34a car show down. I'm like, where?
39:37And I forgot that side cuz I missed it
39:40last year.
39:43That's on um I forgot the name of that.
39:47>> Um
39:48>> in your area.
39:50>> Yeah.
39:50>> So if you leave your house, do you go to
39:52the left or to the right? Cuz you got
39:54Cammy Streets, the real long when you
39:56come in.
39:57>> Cammy. Yeah, Cammy. It's off C. Turn on
39:59Cammy. It's just before the interstate.
40:02It's the last cross street
40:05before the interstate.
40:06>> The interstate. You're completing your
40:09development.
40:09>> Yeah.
40:10>> Okay. Um,
40:11>> I forgot the name of the place.
40:13>> What's the kid's name? What's the
40:14person's name that drove you around or
40:15was taking you down there? You know,
40:17>> I don't remember. I seen him um before I
40:19was just there mining his car.
40:20>> Does he have a fancy car?
40:22>> Well, I don't know about it. He had a um
40:2668 GTX, but he had an LS motor in it.
40:29>> So, he has a 68 GTX.
40:31>> Does he keep it at his house?
40:33>> I I guess so.
40:35>> Have you seen it there before?
40:36>> No. I I just happen to be going um at um
40:40Family Dollar
40:41>> and I seen it. I'm like, "Oo,
40:43>> what color is it?"
40:44>> Um
40:48I kind of want to say white, but it's
40:49really not white.
40:50>> It's like a cream color, something
40:52off-white.
40:53>> Yeah.
40:54>> It's got fancy tires and stuff on it. Or
40:56is it just kind of factory? Like really?
40:58>> No, it kind of got fancy tires on it,
41:02but you didn't know. is kind of older
41:05older wheels like in back in the
41:07>> Okay.
41:08>> 808 ' 80s 90s.
41:10>> Okay. So, this guy was supposed to take
41:12you Saturday, but he didn't show up.
41:13Were you where were you going to meet
41:14him at?
41:15>> Um, he said Family Dollar.
41:18>> So, you went to the Family Dollar, was
41:19hanging out there, waiting for him to
41:20show up, and he didn't show up.
41:22>> What time were you at the Family Dollar,
41:23you think?
41:29>> Like 7:30
41:30>> in the morning.
41:31>> Mhm. Did you go inside the store and buy
41:33anything?
41:34>> No.
41:35>> Did you just stand out front there in
41:36the parking lot or where were you at?
41:38>> No, I was uh standing by um
41:42between Family Dollar and Ace.
41:45>> Okay.
41:47>> Were you in the parking lot?
41:49>> I was standing on the sidewalk.
41:50>> On the sidewalk so he could see me.
41:51>> Oh, gotcha. But he just never showed up.
41:53>> No.
41:53>> And then you went home.
41:54>> Mhm.
41:55>> All right. And you walked to get there,
41:57right?
41:58>> So after you went home, did you go
41:59anywhere else that day? Saturday? M
42:03no n the whole rest of the day. I mean
42:06if you walk the dogs outside up and down
42:08the street did you take the car and go
42:10anywhere?
42:12>> No
42:13the car going anywhere she need to go
42:15shopping for something or anything?
42:16>> Anybody come over and visit you that
42:18day?
42:20>> Nope.
42:20>> Okay. Um Okay. So let's go to Sunday
42:23now. That's the church day. Were y'all
42:26home then?
42:26>> Well yeah. Yeah. We both home now.
42:29That's when I was uh supposed to go to
42:31the last day to this car show.
42:34>> And did you get there?
42:36>> How'd you get there?
42:37>> I walked halfway and then somebody
42:39picked me up.
42:39>> Somebody you don't know.
42:41>> Mhm.
42:41>> So, where was the car show at?
42:46>> It's
42:47No, it's the second to last road on the
42:50right before you hit to the interstate.
42:53>> So, you're going down the two-lane road
42:54where it goes out, splits up where they
42:56did all that construction.
42:58>> It's the second row. Oh, is that
42:59Lockheart?
43:00>> Yeah.
43:01>> So, you turn right on Lockheart, go down
43:03that road.
43:04>> How far down you got to go?
43:05>> Oh, God. I don't remember.
43:07>> Is it way down there? Was it somebody's
43:10house?
43:11>> No, it's a big field.
43:12>> Oh, so you guys just met at the field?
43:15>> No, he picked me up halfway there.
43:17>> He did or somebody else?
43:18>> Yeah, he did.
43:19>> Not the guy. Not the guy with the car.
43:21And he said they have a car show uh
43:23Saturday.
43:24>> Okay. Who Who was at that picture that
43:26time then on Sunday?
43:27>> I don't know. just like I recognized him
43:30cuz I seen him up at um when Dixie and
43:33um Speedway a couple of times.
43:35>> Okay. So, he picked you up, drove there.
43:37>> Mhm.
43:37>> And what time you think you went there
43:39on Sunday?
43:42>> I started walking at
43:48I want to say 8:39
43:50>> in the morning.
43:51>> Mhm.
43:51>> And what time you think you got home
43:53after it was all done?
43:55>> Um late. What's late for you?
43:58>> Um,
44:00well, it was dark.
44:02>> Gets dark at 6:00.
44:04>> Well, yeah, it's dark cuz I don't I
44:06couldn't let's see get in touch with the
44:08person that drove me. I walked around.
44:11>> Did you walk all the way home or did you
44:12get a ride home?
44:13>> Walked all the way home.
44:14>> Walked all the way home. Was it dark
44:16when you started to walk home or was it
44:18light?
44:18>> Dark.
44:19>> Okay. So, it probably took you at least
44:21an hour or more to ride walk home, I
44:23would think.
44:23>> Yeah, cuz I don't have a watch in my
44:25phone. Okay.
44:27>> So, you can't tell me what time you got
44:29home that night?
44:31>> If you give me an estimate like what you
44:33think might have been the right time
44:40cuz the show I was watching um
44:45was on replay. So,
44:52I want to say about 11:30 a.m. So,
44:57>> so you got home. It was late. That's
44:58late. I agree. Um, so what did you eat
45:00all day? Like, you were gone the whole
45:02day. Did you eat food?
45:02>> I I don't eat much. I just drink [ __ ]
45:06>> Yeah. That's why my mom gets on me. I
45:08said she eats more than I do.
45:10>> So, the whole day from 8:00 in the
45:11morning till 11:00 at night, you didn't
45:13eat any food? Um, I just drink a lot of
45:16water and coffee.
45:17>> So, does that car show last that whole
45:19entire time or what time did this
45:22>> I don't know. I I left cuz like I said,
45:24I didn't have a watch or my phone with
45:28me.
45:28>> And you didn't take your mom's car down
45:29there?
45:30>> No.
45:30>> Cuz if you did, we're going to know
45:31because we got tag readers all over the
45:33place. And I don't care if you drove cuz
45:34I'm not the the ticket police. I don't
45:36care if you did or didn't. But it just
45:38seems kind of odd to me that you went
45:39the whole entire day without any food. I
45:41would have a heart attack. I like I
45:43said, I don't eat much.
45:44>> Okay.
45:44>> And like I said, my mom gets me because
45:46of that.
45:47>> Okay.
45:47>> I drank a lot of coffee and I'm like
45:49>> And you had your phone with you the
45:50whole time?
45:51>> No.
45:51>> You didn't have your phone?
45:52>> No.
45:52>> Where was your phone?
45:53>> At home.
45:54>> How come?
45:54>> Cuz like I said, the phone really didn't
45:56work.
45:57>> Okay.
45:57>> Well, you seen sitting there. I was
45:59>> I saw you messing with it. Yeah.
46:00>> Yeah. I'm like then when the phone rang,
46:02I'm like I was trying to close the back
46:04door.
46:05>> Okay.
46:06>> And they said, "Uh, your phone's
46:07ringing." I'm like, "Is that my phone?"
46:09>> Okay. And because like I said, it's I've
46:12been looking at I got the the last bar,
46:16>> right?
46:16>> And I looked at it this morning. I like
46:18my phone rang, but it was insurance
46:19people.
46:20>> Yeah.
46:20>> And like I said, they call in. They
46:23said, uh, I was telling them I haven't
46:25worked in like 10 years,
46:27>> right?
46:27>> A real pain job in 10 years.
46:30>> Sure.
46:30>> And where I'll get tax information in.
46:33>> Okay. Said, "Okay, I'll call later."
46:35Then I looked and I turned my phone off
46:37cuz it was dying. So I plugged it in and
46:41I looked over and I'm like, "Damn, it's
46:43off again." Because my charger cords
46:45frayed and
46:46>> Yeah.
46:47>> You kind of got to hold it there around
46:48it to get
46:49>> and like turn it this way, turn it that
46:51way. This
46:52>> I get you. So when you got home, was
46:54your
46:56She wouldn't know where you were. Was
46:57she off?
46:58>> No, the the TV was on and her door was
47:00closed. That's where it normally is.
47:02>> Okay. Cuz if if she ain't no um sitting
47:05in a chair watching TV,
47:07>> okay,
47:08>> she's in her room.
47:09>> All right.
47:09>> Nothing unusual going on. She sitting
47:11there watching TV. No big deal.
47:12>> No, it's like I don't bother. I'm like,
47:14>> okay.
47:15>> Did you say anything to her like good
47:16night, Mom? Anything like that?
47:17>> She want I don't see her in the living
47:20room watching TV.
47:21>> Okay.
47:21>> And her doors closed. I don't bother
47:23her.
47:23>> Okay. And that was Sunday, right?
47:26>> Cuz we did Saturday. Saturday you were
47:28going to go, but you didn't get to it.
47:29So Sunday you went to this car show.
47:31>> Mhm. Did go to church on Sunday?
47:33>> No.
47:34>> Okay. So now you wake up Monday. See on
47:37Monday?
47:38>> I don't bother cuz when she takes her
47:40medication. Okay.
47:41>> I'm like she's out. Then she get [ __ ]
47:44and yells at me. I slept all day long.
47:46I'm like
47:47>> Yeah. But you're you're home all the
47:49time and the way you were talking to me,
47:51it seemed like even though you're doing
47:53your own thing, you you still know each
47:55other's in the house because you she's
47:56watching her show, you're watching your
47:58show, you're up doing whatever. You got
48:00to go out to the living room to get
48:01food. If you go to the bathroom and
48:02she's out in the living room, you're
48:03going to hear it. Did she have a TV in
48:05her room?
48:06>> Um, no.
48:07>> Okay. So, when you got up Monday, what
48:09time you think that might have been? And
48:10I know you might not remember exactly,
48:12but if you didn't take guess.
48:14>> Uh, I got up about let the cats
48:19the dogs out the back and the chicken.
48:21>> Okay. Normally, I let them out about
48:257:30.
48:26>> So, about 7:30 you got up. Mhm.
48:28>> Okay. And then when you got up, not out
48:30of her room,
48:31>> the door was shut like it was before.
48:33>> Mhm.
48:33>> Was any lights on her room? Did you
48:35could tell from being from the night
48:36before?
48:37>> No.
48:38>> Okay. And you didn't bother cuz it was
48:40in the morning and she sleeps.
48:41>> She like I said, she takes her
48:43medication. She
48:44>> Okay.
48:45>> So now Monday during the day, what are
48:47you doing during the daytime?
48:49>> Uh watching TV
48:50>> in your room or in the living room?
48:52>> In my room. Do
48:52>> you have your door open or closed?
48:54>> Um going back and forth.
48:56>> In and out. Okay. So all day money she
48:59>> Nope.
49:00>> You didn't see her. You said you okay?
49:03>> Well, yeah. I opened up her door. It was
49:05about
49:083:30.
49:09>> Okay. So, you open the door at 3:30.
49:11>> Well, I'm going to say I didn't see her
49:13in there and I looked in the bathroom.
49:15Didn't see in her bathroom.
49:16>> Okay.
49:16>> And I called her and it went straight to
49:19voicemail. Okay.
49:21>> And so
49:24is And was her car still in the
49:25driveway?
49:26>> Mhm.
49:27Is that normal for her not to be around
49:29and then you see her car in the
49:30driveway?
49:31>> I I thought she would call her friend to
49:34um take her to the um doctor.
49:38>> Okay. Was she supposed to go to the
49:40doctors?
49:40>> Well, she been talking about it going
49:43cuz it's like I said her foot been going
49:45on 2 months.
49:46>> Did she make a plan to go to the
49:48hospital that day or you just assuming
49:49she would go?
49:50>> She was talking about it. Okay. So,
49:51you're just she would
49:53>> I know she wouldn't go to that
49:59hospital down the street. I don't know
50:00what the hell that name of the church
50:02because I I figured she would go to
50:04Tampa General cuz
50:05>> she got in a fight with the people up
50:08there.
50:09>> Now, who's her friend that would come
50:10and get her?
50:11>> Uh, that's the other person. Um,
50:13>> Kathy.
50:14>> Yeah.
50:14>> And what's Kathy's last name?
50:16>> Uh,
50:18N Black. That's N Black
50:22>> N Black or something.
50:24>> N Black.
50:25>> That's what I That's who I was going to
50:27call. Wait for my phone to charge up.
50:29>> Where does Kathy live?
50:31>> Um Tampa.
50:32>> Okay. And do they live where you used to
50:35live or like in that area?
50:37>> No, that's they they her and my mom do
50:40church studies over the phone.
50:42>> Okay. But they've been friends for a
50:43long time.
50:47>> Yeah. So's phone might have her number
50:50in it.
50:50>> Yeah, that's who uh one of y'all tried
50:55to call her.
50:56>> Okay. Um What do you mean we tried to
50:58call her? When
51:00>> standing up in front of my door?
51:02>> They tried to call the phone from
51:03outside your your house. Her phone's
51:05phone.
51:06>> Yeah, cuz I I found my mom's phone cuz I
51:08I kept hearing it going off. But I know
51:10that's phone she just plays games with.
51:13>> Well, where did you find the phone at?
51:16It was in her bedroom on a TV stand
51:19>> and you heard it going off. That's how
51:20you knew it was there.
51:22>> It's like Well, I had to look for it.
51:24>> Okay. So, uh, so Sunday or excuse me,
51:29Monday, you got up, you didn't see her,
51:30you checked on her, you didn't see her
51:32where she was. Did you try calling her
51:33on the phone? Then you said it went to
51:35write the voicemail, right? It didn't
51:37ring or do anything,
51:38>> right? Yeah. It just went
51:40>> okay.
51:40>> Ring and
51:41>> and you didn't know that and I'm sorry.
51:43It just it just it rang like once and it
51:45says you have reached this number of
51:47>> Okay. Leave a message kind of thing. All
51:49right. And then you didn't know where
51:52her phone was at the time, right? You
51:53were just calling her. You thought she
51:55had her phone with her.
51:56>> Okay.
51:57>> Cuz it went to voicemail.
51:57>> How many times you think you called her
51:59and it went to voicemail?
52:01>> Um
52:03twice.
52:04>> Twice. Okay. And so that was Monday. And
52:07then
52:09did you do you have the number to her
52:11friend?
52:12No, not on not on my
52:17Yeah.
52:37>> And that's Kathy's number. Uhhuh.
52:39>> What is it? Uh
52:47Didn't we call that number from your
52:48house? Yes. That's why I said the office
52:50cuz I was I Well, listen. There's a
52:53there's a rule at the office. I didn't
52:55tell you. We can't have any electronics
52:56in this room cuz it messes up stuff. So,
52:59if you just do me a favor, you can turn
53:00it off or whatever. I'm going to stick
53:01them right outside and then when we're
53:03done, we'll give them right back to you.
53:04Is that fair? I left all my phones
53:06outside, too, because I don't want to
53:08have any problems.
53:08>> I appreciate that. Thank you. Um
53:13Um Well, I appreciate that number. Now I
53:15know who she is. I'll give her a call
53:16tomorrow and we'll talk to her. Maybe
53:17she talked to your mom. Yeah,
53:18>> she's maybe she knows something that we
53:20>> She's one of the people she talked to,
53:23>> right? Okay. So, um did you call her
53:28Monday to see if she was there? Did you
53:30call Kathy at all?
53:31>> No. Hey, I'm like I couldn't find her
53:32phone.
53:33>> But you just looked at on your phone.
53:35>> Yeah. It's like it was in her bit. I
53:36heard it going on. I'm not saying is you
53:38just looked at her number on your phone.
53:40>> No.
53:41>> That was your mom's phone.
53:42>> Mom's phone.
53:43>> Okay. Which one's your mom's? What color
53:44is that?
53:45>> Um, it got a green face on it.
53:46>> Your mom's is the green phone. Yours is
53:48the other phone.
53:49>> Mhm. Okay. Gotcha. So So Monday, you
53:51didn't see her during the day. Did any
53:53point did you start getting worried
53:54about where she was?
53:55>> No, I when she takes her medication, she
53:58sleeps and I don't bother.
54:00>> Okay. So Okay. But you didn't see her
54:03all day. You looked at 3:30 and she
54:06wasn't in her room. You assumed she
54:08might have went with her friend Kathy.
54:09They might have went to the doctor's.
54:11Okay. But never came home again. So like
54:14throughout the day, you were home the
54:16whole day, right? You didn't go anywhere
54:17after that. You didn't take the car or
54:19nothing, right? Cuz the car was there.
54:20>> I might have went to the
54:23one park
54:24>> at the back of your development there.
54:27>> You may have or you did.
54:28>> I think I did.
54:30>> Okay.
54:30>> No, that was Monday.
54:31>> No, that's Monday. This is what we're
54:32talking about. That's Monday. Yeah,
54:33we're talking Monday. Was it during the
54:35daytime or later in the day?
54:37>> Um,
54:43>> I want to say about 3:30, 4:00.
54:46>> Okay. So, so was this Did you take the
54:48dogs to the park before you found in her
54:50room or after you found her room?
54:54>> Uh, before.
54:55>> Okay. So, you took the So, as far as you
54:57know, your mom was still home. You took
54:58the dogs to the park, you came back,
55:00then you checked and she wasn't there.
55:02Oh, no. She wasn't home. She wasn't home
55:06cuz I said, "Nope, let me take the dogs
55:08to the dog park cuz they haven't been to
55:09the park in a while."
55:10>> So, you came back. She still wasn't
55:11home.
55:12>> So, at what point during the night do
55:14you get worried? Because if she's not
55:16home, you would know. You would hear her
55:18coming in sometime during the night
55:20time.
55:20>> Yeah, cuz well, we keep the back door
55:23open to let the dogs and
55:25>> you still hear. You would still know
55:26she's home.
55:27>> Yeah, cuz she
55:27>> You hear a car come up cuz you need to
55:29get around
55:29>> because Yeah. the car. That's why I was
55:32saying I'm like, "Why is the car backed
55:34in?"
55:35>> Did you back the car in?
55:37>> No, it's like we always point it and
55:40>> Okay.
55:40>> facing in.
55:41>> So, the way the car is now, when did the
55:43car become backed in?
55:44>> Uh, I would say
55:50Sunday.
55:51>> Sunday.
55:53>> Oh, Saturday. Okay.
55:56So,
55:59Saturday you were going to go to the to
56:02the car show and you didn't and you came
56:05home and the car was not backed in at
56:08that point, was it?
56:10>> Yeah.
56:11>> Cuz you walked down to the store in the
56:13morning.
56:14>> In the morning.
56:14>> And when you came back, was the car
56:15back? Was it? No.
56:16>> The car was faced the right way.
56:18>> Mhm.
56:19>> And then Saturday, you said you didn't
56:20leave the house after that. You were
56:21home for the whole day after that.
56:23>> Mhm. So, how did the car get turned
56:25around while you guys were home
56:27together?
56:27>> I don't know. Like I said, I been there
56:29playing my games and watching TV. Okay.
56:32>> Fell asleep a couple of times cuz I had
56:34to rewind the movie.
56:35>> But you did not back that car backwards.
56:37>> Mm-m.
56:38>> Okay.
56:39>> Well, when I drove it to go to the
56:41store, take the dogs to the park, I
56:43packed it, backed it in the way she
56:44wanted it cuz I thought she did it.
56:47>> Okay. And then um but still, you don't
56:50see her come home Monday. It's Monday
56:52night. You just go to sleep not knowing
56:54where you're at.
56:55>> No.
56:56>> Okay.
56:57>> Yeah. Like I figured
56:58>> But that's not normal for Correct.
57:00>> No, because that's what I said. I
57:01thought C Kathy might have came by and
57:03>> Well, that's Well, I mean I understand
57:05that she came by and might have done
57:06something, but she would always come
57:07home.
57:08>> She would be gone for days at a time,
57:10right?
57:11>> No,
57:11>> she would be gone and come home.
57:13>> So, she doesn't come home Monday night.
57:14But you're not upset or worried about
57:15it?
57:16>> No, cuz I figured she was with her
57:18friend Kathy.
57:19>> Okay. So then
57:19>> then yeah cuz like I said she'd been
57:21complaining about her foot.
57:22>> Okay.
57:23>> And she says I thought she since I was
57:27asleep she was I'm like hey.
57:29>> Okay. So then you wake up Tuesday which
57:32is today. So when you woke up today what
57:35happened today? as a loop plan. I'm like
57:37I was looking for her phone cuz I
57:39couldn't find her phone and like I said
57:41I called it and went straight to
57:42voicemail and I said I guess she went to
57:45um the hospital or something and they
57:48>> okay like now you turn it off.
57:50>> So what' you do for the day?
57:52>> Um watch TV
57:54>> all day.
57:55>> Play games. Well,
57:57>> yeah. My like I said I was having
57:58problems with charger and I'm like I
58:00tried to play it and it kept freezing
58:02up.
58:02>> Did you leave the house at all to go
58:03anywhere?
58:06Nope.
58:07>> Didn't take your car to go down to the
58:08store to get anything pick up something?
58:09Nothing like that?
58:10>> Nope.
58:10>> Okay. Did you call anybody today to find
58:12out where your mom might be
58:14>> besides calling her phone?
58:16>> Nope.
58:16>> How many times you call her phone today?
58:18>> Um, none cuz I just figured it would go
58:21straight to voicemail.
58:22>> Okay. And then you didn't call any of
58:24her friends. You didn't call anybody
58:26say, "Hey, where's my mom?"
58:27>> Yeah, cuz like I said, I couldn't find
58:30her phone. Only other phone that she had
58:32is that one that she plays games on.
58:34When we came to your house tonight and
58:35we first made contact with you, you told
58:37us that you were really worried about
58:38her because you hadn't seen her and that
58:40you were going to call us. How come you
58:42didn't call us before?
58:43>> No, I was going to call that ladies
58:45Kathy.
58:46>> No, you said you were going to call us
58:48because we said, "Why didn't you call
58:49the police?" And you said, "Well, I was
58:50going to cuz I haven't seen my So, how
58:54come you didn't call before now?" Like,
58:56I didn't say that. I said I was trying
58:58to um getting to find my phone and I
59:02found that one in um the lady's room cuz
59:05I thought I had her number still in my
59:07phone. Okay.
59:07>> I was going to try to call her but it
59:09took for a long time to um
59:10>> Okay. So
59:13you tried to call phone but it went
59:14straight to voicemail. It never rang in
59:16the house. So you figured it was turned
59:19off. That's what you told me, right?
59:20>> No. I said I Yeah, I figured nobody rang
59:24Nobody rang her phone and you hear it
59:26ring. You didn't hear any of that,
59:27right? No.
59:28>> But then you said tonight when we were
59:30standing at the door, the phone was
59:32making noise because you went and got
59:34it.
59:34>> Yeah. Our phone was been going off
59:37making um
59:39like beeping sounds.
59:40>> But if it wasn't working before, why was
59:42it working now?
59:46>> No, it's her phone.
59:47>> That's what I'm saying. Your her phone.
59:48You said
59:49>> that's the phone that she displays games
59:51on. Facebook's games on.
59:53>> Okay. Does she have more than one phone?
59:55>> Mhm.
59:55>> Where's the other phone? I don't know.
59:57>> So, so the green phone that we have here
1:00:00>> is her phone that she plays with.
1:00:03>> She doesn't use it to make any phone
1:00:05calls. It has no service on it.
1:00:07>> Well, like if I call the phone number,
1:00:10uh
1:00:11>> I don't know how they do it, but if you
1:00:13sign up for Facebook, Yeah. if the phone
1:00:16goes out.
1:00:16>> Sure. Does Facebook?
1:00:19>> Yeah. Do you know what her name is?
1:00:21>> Uh no.
1:00:22>> Do you ever see her profile? No, cuz I'm
1:00:25not into it.
1:00:27>> How do you know she has Facebook then?
1:00:28>> Cuz she tells me all the time.
1:00:30>> She says, "Hey, son, I got Facebook."
1:00:32>> No, it's I'm like she That's only She
1:00:34keeps telling me she need I need to sign
1:00:37up for Facebook cuz they got more games
1:00:39on Facebook than
1:00:40>> Okay. So, what you're telling me is the
1:00:42phone we have is the one she only plays
1:00:44games on. She doesn't do anything else
1:00:45with. She has another phone with the
1:00:47phone number that you told us she has.
1:00:50That's her number she uses for phone.
1:00:52>> Mhm. Gotcha. But you don't know where
1:00:54that's at.
1:00:55>> But I No, cuz I think she can't make
1:00:58that call on that phone. But like how
1:01:02they does it cuz it doesn't have service
1:01:04anymore. But okay.
1:01:05>> I guess it's through Facebook or
1:01:07whatever you call.
1:01:08>> Okay. All right. So, um All right. So,
1:01:12this is the dilemma I have. You know, I
1:01:14came in and said, "I we need to talk
1:01:16about the truth. Say what's really going
1:01:17on because we're trying to help and
1:01:19figure out what's going on. Figure out
1:01:20what happened." Okay, we are not lying
1:01:23to you. We've we discovered her or
1:01:26somebody found her today and she passed
1:01:28away. Okay, and we now have the task of
1:01:33finding out what happened. And you know,
1:01:36as investigators,
1:01:37we keep a pretty open mind. We don't
1:01:39just go accusing people right off the
1:01:41bat saying this and that and everything
1:01:42else. We have to figure out through
1:01:44talking to family members, talking to
1:01:46friends, doing forensics, looking for
1:01:49cameras, because there's cameras
1:01:50everywhere now. everywhere you go. You
1:01:52might not see them, but they're out
1:01:54there. Uh, we have traffic cameras. The
1:01:56traffic light has cameras. We have
1:01:58cameras set up in different places to
1:02:00see cars coming in or out. All these
1:02:02businesses have cameras. Your neighbors
1:02:04have cameras. Everybody's got a damn
1:02:06camera these days. And they're taking
1:02:08pictures left and right. So, it's just a
1:02:09matter of time before we figure out
1:02:11what's going on. And we end up getting
1:02:12to the truth eventually. But really what
1:02:14it comes down to is trying to figure out
1:02:16from the family members because usually
1:02:18family members are the closest people to
1:02:20usually people that get hurt. Um, and I
1:02:22find a couple things. Most of the time
1:02:25when I'm when I'm talking to family
1:02:26members and the family members are
1:02:28involved in some way or another, which
1:02:30you know it happens from time to time.
1:02:33We don't I'm not saying you, I'm just
1:02:34saying in general. We start with the
1:02:36family because the family seems to know
1:02:38the victim or the person that got hurt
1:02:40the most and we get the most information
1:02:42from them. Even though you think, well,
1:02:44I don't know anything. Well, just all
1:02:46the things you tell me help me because
1:02:48she has a friend named Kathy. So, now we
1:02:50can go to Kathy and say, Kathy, have you
1:02:52talked to her? Have you talked to Oh,
1:02:55like when's the last time you talked to
1:02:57her? And maybe she knows something about
1:02:59where your was or was going to and she
1:03:02can give us a little bit of information
1:03:04and we can go to the next person. Next
1:03:05person all the way down the line. But
1:03:07because you're a family, you're the
1:03:08first one talking.
1:03:09>> So, based on that, we start with you. we
1:03:12start talking to you and then we get
1:03:14information from you. That's why I want
1:03:15you know I want to know certain things
1:03:17like where you were, what you were doing
1:03:18so that I can go out and I can find and
1:03:21prove and show that you were places that
1:03:23you said you were because that way I can
1:03:27be okay with everything cuz like you
1:03:28said, you've been falsely accused of
1:03:29stuff in the past. I'm not here to
1:03:31falsely accuse you. I'm not even here to
1:03:33accuse you. I just want to know what the
1:03:35truth is. And so long as everything you
1:03:37tell me matches up with what I know and
1:03:39what I can prove, we're good. Because
1:03:41then I can say, "Listen, he came in, he
1:03:43was cool, honest with us. He helped us
1:03:44out with everything we needed, and we're
1:03:46great." But if there's some things you
1:03:47leave out, things you change, things you
1:03:50don't tell me, and then I find them out,
1:03:52it kind of throws shade on things a
1:03:54little bit.
1:03:54>> That's why that's the only person that
1:03:57really calls or calls her is um
1:03:59>> Sure.
1:04:00>> It's Kathy.
1:04:00>> Kathy and a couple of my relatives. Um
1:04:03>> Okay. Who's your Who else would call
1:04:05her?
1:04:05>> Um
1:04:06>> who else do you know? What's your aunt's
1:04:08name? Cuz that's her sister.
1:04:10>> Yeah. Oh, she she
1:04:11>> You talk to her?
1:04:13>> Not really cuz she goes off on one of
1:04:14them trips and we can't
1:04:16>> What's her name? What's her sister name?
1:04:17>> Um O'ke.
1:04:19>> How do you spell that?
1:04:21>> O K E T H A I think.
1:04:24>> Okita. What's her last name?
1:04:26>> Oh, Cook.
1:04:26>> Cook. Okay. Where's she at?
1:04:28>> Um Boston.
1:04:30>> Boston. It's going to be cold up there
1:04:32this year. How old is she? Are they
1:04:34close in age?
1:04:38Yeah. Actually,
1:04:42I don't know.
1:04:43>> That's okay.
1:04:44>> I think she's 10 years older.
1:04:45>> Do you have any other brothers or
1:04:46sisters?
1:04:47>> No.
1:04:47>> Okay.
1:04:48>> Well, the sister that's up in that nut,
1:04:50please.
1:04:51>> And well, that's her daughter. Is that
1:04:53her daughter?
1:04:53>> Oh, daughter. Yeah. Oh, she's got other
1:04:56Yeah. Uh,
1:04:56>> she other sisters.
1:04:58>> Um,
1:05:04matter. Um, said sister a lot.
1:05:10Oh, that's they're close in age, but
1:05:15my hero
1:05:18I don't know how that stuff works.
1:05:19>> That's O'Keefe that you're talking
1:05:20about.
1:05:21>> No, that's her sister.
1:05:23>> This is her sister. But who are you
1:05:24talking about? What's that person's
1:05:26name?
1:05:26>> Um,
1:05:29I think so. Well, I think I heard her
1:05:31talking to Octavia.
1:05:34>> Don't ask me to spin that.
1:05:36>> That's okay. I think I can figure that
1:05:37way out. What's Octavia's last name?
1:05:39>> I have no idea.
1:05:40>> Where does she live at?
1:05:41>> Boston.
1:05:42>> And what relationship is she to your
1:05:47>> Like I was just saying, I'm not I think
1:05:49they're close in age. I'm not sure if
1:05:52older,
1:05:54>> but I think she's
1:05:56a girl
1:05:59is her, but they're close in age. I
1:06:02don't know how that stuff works.
1:06:05Okay, so getting back to what I was
1:06:07talking about, uh, we go around and do a
1:06:09lot of things before we make contact
1:06:11with people to kind of figure out what's
1:06:12going on. So, one of the things we do is
1:06:14because there's a vehicle involved,
1:06:16there's several things we can do to try
1:06:17and figure out where the vehicle's been.
1:06:19Now, you told me that the vehicle's
1:06:21never backed in
1:06:23>> and you didn't back the vehicle in.
1:06:25>> Okay. However, the people across the
1:06:27street from you have two cameras. They
1:06:29have one on the corner of the house and
1:06:31a Ring camera.
1:06:32>> Mhm.
1:06:33>> Okay. Okay. And it's you that backs the
1:06:34truck in. They see the vehicle backing
1:06:37in and you get out.
1:06:39>> Okay. It's on camera.
1:06:41>> Oh, damn. I forgot about that. There's
1:06:44an oil leak in there.
1:06:45>> Okay.
1:06:45>> And I'm like, they it's
1:06:48>> at the top and I see if it is sometimes
1:06:50if you point it down, it'll stop
1:06:52leaking.
1:06:52>> Okay. So, you did back the car in just
1:06:55that last time cuz I just backed it in
1:06:57the way I seen it.
1:06:58>> Okay. And then and then when was that
1:07:02that you back to caring?
1:07:06Uh
1:07:11it was either Saturday or Sunday.
1:07:14>> Okay. Um, also there's another camera
1:07:20that caught your car out by the Family
1:07:24Dollar
1:07:25coming and going from that area and that
1:07:28was
1:07:30Oh, I believe it was last night or early
1:07:32in the morning like 3:00 or 4 in the
1:07:34morning. So, what was that about? Do you
1:07:36want to take a ride or something?
1:07:38>> Well, it's your car. We got the tag
1:07:40number off of it.
1:07:41>> No.
1:07:41>> And you got the keys to the car?
1:07:43>> Yeah. It's so
1:07:45we hang them up on the um cabinet door.
1:07:47>> Okay. Well, you got three dogs and 20
1:07:50cats. If somebody comes in your house,
1:07:52you're going to know it because those
1:07:54dogs are going to bark cuz we weren't
1:07:55even in the backyard. They're barking.
1:07:57So, there's nobody's going to come in
1:07:59your house and take the keys.
1:08:00>> So, that ain't going to happen.
1:08:02>> Okay. The garage door was open last.
1:08:04>> Listen, I I have dogs, too. I know how
1:08:06it works. Dogs who know you, they may be
1:08:08all right. But people coming in your
1:08:10house that they don't know, they're
1:08:11going to flip out. and you have too many
1:08:13animals, they're going to make noise.
1:08:14>> The cats don't make noise.
1:08:16>> Cats don't, but the dogs are going to
1:08:17make a lot of noise.
1:08:17>> And they're normally in my room with me,
1:08:19>> maybe. So, but your dogs have super good
1:08:21hearing and they're going to hear it and
1:08:22they're going to bark. So, nobody came
1:08:24in your house. I'm going to tell you
1:08:25right now, that ain't going to happen.
1:08:27But your car was seen on the camera.
1:08:28Now, I might be off on my day, but as
1:08:31far as the time, 2 or 3 in the morning,
1:08:33that's on camera. I'll have a I can get
1:08:35a picture of that and I can Well, I
1:08:36can't show you now, but when I get it, I
1:08:38can show it to you. we actually have
1:08:39your car going in and out of that area
1:08:41at that time. So, all I'm trying to do
1:08:43is figure out if you went somewhere, I
1:08:46don't care. It's just I have to explain
1:08:48this to my bosses about why I see your
1:08:51car in a certain spot and then you're
1:08:52telling me something different because
1:08:54your mom's not home. You're there and I
1:08:57know you drive the car and I don't care
1:08:58about that because I understand you have
1:09:00to do what you have to do to get places.
1:09:02I'm not going to I would never harass
1:09:03you just because you don't have a drive.
1:09:05>> I know I know all the stores are closing
1:09:06at that time. Well, some of them are,
1:09:08but there's places you can go. But some
1:09:10people like to get up in the middle of
1:09:11night, just take a drive because it's
1:09:13cooler outside than it is in your house
1:09:14cuz your house is sweating. You might
1:09:15have just put the windows down, took a
1:09:17little drive. I don't know what you're
1:09:18doing, but the car was leaving and it
1:09:20came back. So, nobody's going to steal
1:09:22your car and take a ride and come back
1:09:23and put it right back where it was. Not
1:09:25only that, the cameras across the
1:09:26street, you forget. They see you coming
1:09:28in and out of your house. They see you
1:09:30getting in the car. So, you were in the
1:09:33car. So, all I want you to do is be
1:09:35honest with me about things because I
1:09:37want to make sure that when I'm
1:09:38questioned, I have an answer for
1:09:40everything everybody's else is going to
1:09:41ask me. And these are questions I need
1:09:43answered from you cuz you were the one
1:09:45driving around, not me. I don't know.
1:09:47But your car car was caught there. Plus,
1:09:49the cameras across the street see what's
1:09:51going on. Okay? So, they see everything
1:09:54if you get what I'm saying. See
1:09:56everything.
1:09:58Okay? So that's why we need to have a
1:10:00discussion about this stuff because it
1:10:02saw everything, not just you pulling in
1:10:05and out other things. Okay? So I don't
1:10:09know what was actually going on with you
1:10:10or what's going on in your house. I'm
1:10:13not questioning anything. But when
1:10:15cameras see certain things,
1:10:17the cameras don't lie. It sees things
1:10:20and then it's up to you to explain it to
1:10:22me. Now some things I don't know because
1:10:25I wasn't at your house.
1:10:27You seem like a really nice person. I'm
1:10:29sitting here talking to you. I mean, we
1:10:31could go out and have a beer sometime.
1:10:32You seem really nice. I don't see any
1:10:34problems with you at all. But sometimes
1:10:36things happen that we don't necessarily
1:10:39want to happen. Sometimes things go on
1:10:42that other people may just not
1:10:44understand, but there's an explanation
1:10:46for everything. The last thing I would
1:10:48ever want to happen is for somebody to
1:10:50sit there and judge me like you've been
1:10:53judged in the past
1:10:55and not be able to tell my side and be
1:10:58truthful about it. You get what I'm
1:10:59saying?
1:11:00>> Because if somebody's going to sit there
1:11:02and judge me, I want you to judge me for
1:11:04something that I can explain. I don't
1:11:06want you to judge me just based on what
1:11:08you think about me. Like, I've never met
1:11:10you before. I don't know your family.
1:11:11You must be a good family because I've
1:11:13never had dealings with you guys ever.
1:11:16So, I don't hold animosity for anybody.
1:11:18However, this is your mom we're talking
1:11:20about here and something very bad went
1:11:23wrong and we're just trying to figure
1:11:24out what it is. And like I said, those
1:11:26cameras across the street from your
1:11:27house catches everything that happened.
1:11:31Okay? But you obviously can't see in
1:11:32your house, but every time you step out
1:11:34that door, that camera caught you coming
1:11:36in and you going out. Okay? And it
1:11:39caught other things besides you just
1:11:41walking to the car and getting in there
1:11:43and just taking a drive. You get what
1:11:44I'm saying? Mhm.
1:11:46>> So that's what I need you to talk to me
1:11:47about. Explain this to me. What? What?
1:11:50What happened?
1:11:52>> I have no idea.
1:11:55>> Are you hearing what I'm saying about
1:11:57the camera caught everything? Okay. Your
1:11:59mom got in that car, but it wasn't on
1:12:02her own. She didn't just walk and get in
1:12:04her car. She got put into the car. It
1:12:07caught that at your house. Do you
1:12:09believe it or not? That camera faces
1:12:11right to your house. It faces your front
1:12:14door.
1:12:16It saw what what happened. And you have
1:12:19to you need to be honest with me for
1:12:21anything for your
1:12:24be straight with me. I don't think
1:12:26whatever happened was something mean or
1:12:28purposeful. Everybody makes a mistake.
1:12:31Something's always happened to cause
1:12:33something else to happen. I don't think
1:12:35for one moment you're this monster guy
1:12:37that goes out and does this crazy
1:12:38things. I don't think that at all. You
1:12:40and your are living together. You're
1:12:43close. You're closer probably than
1:12:45anybody else in your whole family. You
1:12:47have each other to take care of. But I
1:12:49know when I was living with my mom, it's
1:12:52not easy. When you get to a certain age,
1:12:54you have your way of being. My mom had
1:12:56her way of being. And we clashed because
1:12:58my mom liked it a certain way and I
1:13:00wanted a different way, but I'm living
1:13:01in her house. So, we fought all the time
1:13:04about stupid stuff, you know, and if
1:13:06there's other issues going on or if
1:13:08there's something happens to set another
1:13:10person off or somebody had a bad day,
1:13:14something whatever it is, some things
1:13:16get out of control and some things
1:13:17happen that we don't necessarily want to
1:13:19happen or that we even plan to happen.
1:13:22But once they do happen, we don't know
1:13:23what to do. We get scared. We get upset.
1:13:27We freak out because this is not what we
1:13:30wanted to do, but it just it happened.
1:13:32Okay? And that's what I'm trying to get
1:13:33at with you. All right? I don't think
1:13:36you're a bad person. I don't think
1:13:38you're this monster because there's
1:13:39several kind of people in this world.
1:13:41There's people out there that go around
1:13:42and they purposely hurt people,
1:13:45purposely kill them for whatever reason,
1:13:47and they're just evil, evil people. And
1:13:49those people, those are the kind of
1:13:50people I want off the street. I want to
1:13:52put them away. But there's another set
1:13:54of people out there too where things
1:13:56happened that they didn't want to
1:13:59happen. Things got out of control that
1:14:01they didn't necessarily want to get out
1:14:02of control. Things happened that they
1:14:04didn't want to happen, but they did
1:14:06because there's certain circumstances or
1:14:08dynamics that happened in the house that
1:14:10only they know.
1:14:12And the problem with that is because
1:14:13it's only you and you guys know what
1:14:15happened. Nobody else knows. And now
1:14:18you're not here with us anymore. and
1:14:20there's a reason this happened, but I
1:14:22don't know it and nobody around us knows
1:14:25it. Only you and know it and she can't
1:14:28talk about it. So, as her
1:14:31who she loved dearly, it's getting up to
1:14:34you to be honest and and and get some
1:14:37peace.
1:14:39Okay? There's something happened in that
1:14:41house that caused this to go on. And I
1:14:44don't want somebody from the outside
1:14:46hearing whatever's going on or whatever
1:14:48we come find out and look at you and
1:14:51think you're this person or that person
1:14:52and judge you. That's not fair. If
1:14:55something happened, you have to man up,
1:14:58be honest about it, explain it. Because
1:15:00if I can understand it, it it could
1:15:03change a lot of things. If I knew
1:15:04exactly what caused things to happen, it
1:15:06would explain a ton of stuff and it
1:15:08would make you feel better. It's going
1:15:10to make us feel better because now I can
1:15:12answer all the questions to my bosses.
1:15:13They want to know. And because you were
1:15:15honest with me and told me that, I can
1:15:16tell them what actually happened without
1:15:19them making judgment calls and thinking,
1:15:20"Oh, this or think of that." You get
1:15:22what I'm saying? Okay. So, those cameras
1:15:24across the street saw more than it
1:15:27probably should have saw. And I'm not
1:15:29sitting here. I don't need to look
1:15:30anywhere anywhere or anybody else. I'm
1:15:33looking right here with you. So, you I
1:15:36know you've been saying all the time, I
1:15:38didn't do anything. I didn't do
1:15:38anything. But something happened and all
1:15:41I'm asking you to do is be straight with
1:15:42me and be honest. And I'll be as
1:15:44straight as I can with you. I'll tell
1:15:45you everything you need to know. But you
1:15:46got to come off of this and be honest
1:15:48with me because this isn't
1:15:51raised you. This is what 70ome years
1:15:54old. You're 50 something years old.
1:15:56That's a lot of history. You guys have a
1:15:58lot to be together for. And for this to
1:16:01happen, it had to been something really
1:16:03awful to cause this. Something must have
1:16:06happened. What went on in the house?
1:16:09What happened? Please tell me. Tell me.
1:16:13>> I said if anything happened, I don't
1:16:15remember cuz I was on my own playing
1:16:17games.
1:16:18>> When When do you remember something
1:16:19happening? Because the cameras across
1:16:21the street show her being put into the
1:16:24back of that car. Okay. Do you get what
1:16:27I'm saying? I'm trying to be I'm trying
1:16:30I don't want to have to beat this out of
1:16:32you. Not literally, but I don't want to
1:16:34have to continually harass you over this
1:16:36for you to tell me what really happened.
1:16:38The cameras caught you leaving the
1:16:40house. They caught you putting
1:16:44on the car and then the car leaves and
1:16:47then the car comes back and then you go
1:16:49in the house. Okay? And it's during the
1:16:52right time frame. We know more than you
1:16:54probably think we know. Okay? So, you
1:16:57can't say, "Oh, I don't know." Or, "I
1:17:00was watching TV." something happened.
1:17:03And like I said, I'm not looking at you
1:17:04like this evil and bad person. I get it.
1:17:08There's been many times that I've lost
1:17:10my temper and I've had fights with my
1:17:12mom and and it was all I could do to
1:17:14contain myself because we just we love
1:17:16each other but you know sometimes just
1:17:20clash you know and if you get the wrong
1:17:22circumstance where this day you were
1:17:24drinking I'm not saying you did this but
1:17:26if I was drinking too much or I had
1:17:29taken medication and I was not in my
1:17:31right mind then there's very easily
1:17:33something could have happened because I
1:17:34could get that bad because you know but
1:17:37I still love my mom. But you see, I
1:17:40that's what I'm talking about. Something
1:17:42happened at the house. And you saying I
1:17:44don't remember is really not it's not
1:17:45something you really want to do right
1:17:46now. Being honest is really the only way
1:17:49to go. You know, I see you shaking your
1:17:51head at me. So, I know what I'm saying
1:17:53is is true. You cuz you wouldn't be you
1:17:56wouldn't be shaking your head. Yeah. If
1:17:57I was not on the right track with you
1:17:59and telling you what I already do know.
1:18:01So, please do me a favor. You know, I
1:18:04know you're a good guy. I can tell you
1:18:05you love I can tell. I can see it in
1:18:07your eyes. I can tell you're upset. But
1:18:10you got to get this off your chest.
1:18:13You can't live with this. I could never
1:18:15live with this. She
1:18:18help me out. Do the right thing. What
1:18:22happened to your talk to me? You You're
1:18:25shaking your head. No, but I'm not I'm
1:18:27not believing that for a second, dude.
1:18:28If
1:18:29>> I did anything, I don't remember.
1:18:30>> Okay. Well, how would you not at what
1:18:33point do you remember something? Because
1:18:34it's you getting in the car and it's you
1:18:37putting car like you have to explain
1:18:40that you can't say I forgot. This is not
1:18:43going to work. You can't say I forgot.
1:18:47You're scared about talking about it and
1:18:49I get it. I understand your fear. Okay,
1:18:53but right now is not the time to have
1:18:54this kind of fear. All we what we really
1:18:57need to do is just to be be I'll be
1:18:59honest about everything.
1:19:01What did you do to you? I mean, you
1:19:04know, might have done something to you
1:19:06to push you over the edge because you're
1:19:08a pretty calm guy, but I can tell. I
1:19:12mean, if you're like me, you could get
1:19:13set off from time to time if somebody
1:19:14says something wrong or does something
1:19:16or get you on a wrong time. What is it
1:19:19did? Did she say something to you? Did
1:19:21she do something to you? Was she being
1:19:24mean to you um that that got you upset
1:19:27about something? Like what what did she
1:19:30do to you?
1:19:33If she did anything to me, I don't know
1:19:35because my back's been hurting and I
1:19:37took some of her medication and
1:19:39>> Okay. Okay. Well,
1:19:41>> some other pills.
1:19:42>> Okay. Well, there's something you have
1:19:44to remember because another thing that I
1:19:46find with a lot of people is they're
1:19:48scared to talk about what happened cuz
1:19:50they're they're embarrassed about it.
1:19:52They're upset about it. They're
1:19:54remorseful about it. Um, and again, they
1:19:57didn't mean for this to happen. It's not
1:19:59something that we walk around thinking,
1:20:01I'm just going to hurt my mom or hurt my
1:20:02dad or hurt my brother or sister. It
1:20:04just doesn't work that way. Something
1:20:06has to have happened at the right
1:20:08combination of things. Now maybe if you
1:20:10did take medicine for your back and it
1:20:12might have made you a little bit more
1:20:14sensitive than normal because you're
1:20:16taking the medicine to help your back
1:20:17and then your is on you about your
1:20:19weight or that you need to go get a job
1:20:21because we don't have any money or you
1:20:24know you need to do this or do that and
1:20:26you know you just it got you at the
1:20:27wrong time because you were under the
1:20:29influence of this medicine. You know, I
1:20:31get it. I mean, it happens. Okay. But
1:20:34again, I don't want to assume things
1:20:36about what went on in your house. Only
1:20:38you know, and only you can tell me what
1:20:40that is. Okay? That's it. It's just you.
1:20:43You only can tell me. And I'm going to
1:20:45tell you right now, sitting here and
1:20:47telling me that you don't know something
1:20:49is it's I feel disrespected. I don't I
1:20:53don't I will not disrespect you. I would
1:20:55not say anything to do that to you, but
1:20:57I feel that way because you're not being
1:20:59honest with me because I know more. I
1:21:01know more than what what you think I
1:21:03know. Those cameras across the street
1:21:04saw what they saw. And you're not going
1:21:07to be able to say, "Oh, well, you know,
1:21:09I just don't remember any of that." It
1:21:11just don't work that way. It's not
1:21:13something you're going to forget. You
1:21:15know, you're going to want to forget
1:21:16obviously because we want to put this
1:21:18because it's something that we didn't
1:21:18want to happen. It was It was an
1:21:21accident. I'm positive it was an
1:21:23accident. But you're going to have to
1:21:24tell me what happened so I know that
1:21:26that's what it is. I don't want people
1:21:28to judge you and think, "Oh, this guy,
1:21:30he just is this and he's just that." You
1:21:33think that's fair?
1:21:35It's not fair. No, it's not because you
1:21:37have a story to tell. You know what
1:21:39happened because you were there.
1:21:41Something happened and and it was I'm
1:21:43telling you it was an accident. Just
1:21:45looking at you and talking to you now, I
1:21:46know that's not the kind of person you
1:21:48are. I don't think you could ever go out
1:21:49on purpose or anything. You take care of
1:21:51little kittens.
1:21:53That's that's not the kind of guy that's
1:21:55gonna go around hurt people. But when
1:21:57somebody's get pushed too far, things
1:21:59happen. And again, you can't sit here
1:22:02and tell me I forgot or I don't remember
1:22:04or if something happened, I don't know,
1:22:07because the camera caught it. And all I
1:22:09want you to do is be honest with me and
1:22:11tell me the truth. That's all it is. I'm
1:22:14not asking you to make up something. I'm
1:22:15not asking you to exaggerate about
1:22:17nothing. I just want the truth. Because
1:22:19so far in this interview, I pretty much
1:22:21told you the truth. You know, I there's
1:22:23no reason for me to lie to you. I'm not
1:22:26here to beat you up or to treat you
1:22:27badly or to make you feel any certain
1:22:29way. But this is something we need to
1:22:31get through, okay? This is something
1:22:34that's not going to go away. It's not
1:22:36going to get better if you are not
1:22:39honest about it and talk about what
1:22:41really happened so we can understand.
1:22:43That's all I want to do is understand
1:22:45what happened. And this is where I need
1:22:47your help. Like coming in here, that's
1:22:50all. We just need your help to figure
1:22:52this out. Okay. So, with those cameras
1:22:55seeing what they seen, if you stick with
1:22:57this story, it's not going to be good. I
1:22:59don't want that to be your story.
1:23:03Everybody has a story. And I need you to
1:23:05tell me what the story is with, you
1:23:08said something to you or did something
1:23:10to you for this to happen. And if it if
1:23:12if that's what happened, just explain to
1:23:14me what it is so I can understand
1:23:16because maybe she was having something
1:23:18going on in her mind. Maybe she's
1:23:20getting a little older. She's getting a
1:23:21little forgetful. Maybe she's saying
1:23:23things that don't make any sense. You
1:23:25know, because when you get older, a lot
1:23:27of times dementia sets in. You know,
1:23:29people don't remember everything like
1:23:30they used to and they think certain
1:23:32people are alive or they think they're
1:23:34in a certain place or they remember some
1:23:36bad times in their life and then they
1:23:38take it out on you when you don't even
1:23:40know what's going on because you never
1:23:42did anything. But in their mind, because
1:23:44they have an illness, they're not
1:23:46thinking straight. So, she may be, and I
1:23:49don't know this to be a fact. I mean,
1:23:50you know, because you you were in the
1:23:52house, but people start getting upset
1:23:54about things and and if she's not in the
1:23:56right mental state of mind, she may be
1:23:57getting on you about something you never
1:23:59did or did anything to do with, but you
1:24:01don't really understand where she's
1:24:02coming from. And and that could be some
1:24:04of the problem here. Okay? But again, if
1:24:07that's the case, I need to know it from
1:24:08you. I need you to tell me these details
1:24:10so I can understand what led up to what
1:24:12happened. And I'm probably just did
1:24:15something to you because like I said,
1:24:17having 20 cats in a house and three
1:24:18dogs, you have to be a certain type of
1:24:20person, be a calm person to be able to
1:24:23take care of all those animals and be so
1:24:24loving to them and concerned because
1:24:26when we came out there, that's all you
1:24:27were concerned about was your animals.
1:24:29Okay? So, I know, I get it. But again,
1:24:32you can't sit here and and lie and not
1:24:36talk about it because you're scared. I
1:24:38understand you're scared. I I understand
1:24:40that. I'd be scared, too. But I'm here
1:24:42with you. I'm gonna walk you through
1:24:44this. I'm going get you through this.
1:24:46Okay? But you got to trust me and talk
1:24:48to me. What happened and stop talking
1:24:50like I don't know. I don't know. You
1:24:53know,
1:24:54things are caught on camera. You can't
1:24:56take back. I see things. I saw things.
1:25:00Okay? So, please just explain to me what
1:25:03happened. Let me know. Let me figure it
1:25:05out. And it probably going to make sense
1:25:08once you tell me. I'll understand
1:25:09everything. Okay? So what is it? What
1:25:12happened?
1:25:14>> I don't exact remember cuz I know I took
1:25:17some of her medication. Okay.
1:25:18>> So was she was she upset at you for
1:25:20something?
1:25:21>> Um I I remember.
1:25:24>> Was she getting on you about something?
1:25:26>> No, she was yelling at the dogs.
1:25:28>> Yelling at the dogs.
1:25:29>> Yelling at the dogs. And I don't I don't
1:25:31pay attention to her half the time.
1:25:33>> Did she hit the dogs or hit the animals?
1:25:35Like did she hit them with anything to
1:25:37make make them upset or get you upset?
1:25:39Because I mean if she bit it, I didn't
1:25:42see it.
1:25:43>> Okay. Well, I mean some you did this so
1:25:48I got to find out what you can't say. I
1:25:49don't remember this. This is something
1:25:51you would never ever forget. Now I
1:25:54understand you're under medication if
1:25:56you medicine. I get it. Medicine makes
1:25:58you a little loopy, but it's not going
1:26:00to make you forget things.
1:26:02>> I had some of the rest of Revok.
1:26:04>> Okay. Well, again, unless you're passed
1:26:07out, you're not going to forget. I've
1:26:09drank vodka before. I've got pretty
1:26:10intoxicated off of vodka. Um, it doesn't
1:26:13make you forget anything. It makes you
1:26:15wish you forgot some things sometimes
1:26:17because you get intoxicated. You act
1:26:18stupid, but it's not going to make you
1:26:22out there in left field where you don't
1:26:24remember anything. You remember because
1:26:26the camera caught you driving out of
1:26:27there and you not seeming it didn't seem
1:26:30like you were intoxicated to us. Okay.
1:26:33You seem to be able to get in the car.
1:26:34Okay. Okay. and you were able to do what
1:26:37you did without much of a problem, you
1:26:40know, so it didn't look like there was
1:26:42an issue there. And I'm not saying you
1:26:43weren't intoxicated or you didn't have
1:26:45medicine anymore. That's not what I'm
1:26:46saying. It's just you were making very
1:26:49deliberate moves and actions that you
1:26:52just can't say, "I don't remember
1:26:53anything." It just doesn't work that
1:26:55way. Okay? I've been in situations where
1:27:00Okay, so let me put it to you this way.
1:27:03Okay? So every day you probably get up,
1:27:06you go to the bathroom, you brush your
1:27:07teeth, you go in the living room, you go
1:27:09feed the dogs, you give the dogs a walk,
1:27:11you do all those things every day,
1:27:12right?
1:27:13>> Okay. So if I was to ask you what you
1:27:16did one week ago with the uh tell me
1:27:19everything you did from the moment you
1:27:20woke up till like 12:00 in the morning,
1:27:23you probably couldn't tell me, right?
1:27:24Because you do things un you do things
1:27:26subconsciously because they're things
1:27:28you do every single day, right? You
1:27:31won't really remember that because it's
1:27:33something you do all the time. It's just
1:27:34a routine for you. However, when
1:27:37something out of the ordinary happens or
1:27:40something traumatic happens, it's
1:27:42something that gets etched in your
1:27:43brain. Okay? It doesn't get erased. And
1:27:4620 years from now, you're going to be
1:27:48able to recall the same crap. Okay? And
1:27:50you know how I know that? It's because
1:27:52in 2000, excuse me, in 1998,
1:27:55I was in a shooting.
1:27:57All right? I was in a whole I was in a
1:27:59shooting out in Brooksville. I got to
1:28:01some situation. To this day, I can tell
1:28:04you every detail about that shooting.
1:28:07Now, I don't think about it every day
1:28:09and I don't dwell on all the time, but I
1:28:11can I can tell you I can remember where
1:28:13I was standing. I can tell you about how
1:28:15far I was. I can tell you where
1:28:16everybody else was standing. I can tell
1:28:18you pretty much everything. And you know
1:28:20why? Because that was a traumatic
1:28:22incident that happened to me. Okay? And
1:28:24I can remember that. And I'll never
1:28:26forget that as long as I live. I didn't
1:28:28get hurt, but I'll never forget that
1:28:31because it's an incident that's out of
1:28:32the ordinary and it's traumatic and your
1:28:34brain is never going to let you forget
1:28:36it. It goes into one of your memory
1:28:37cells that is just like a permanent
1:28:39memory. Okay? This is one of those
1:28:42things. It's never going to go away from
1:28:44your brain. It's never going to go away.
1:28:47It's going to be there forever. So to
1:28:49say you don't remember, I've been there.
1:28:51I know you you remember. And to say you
1:28:55don't remember, no, that's not truthful.
1:28:58You remember. Now, you might not
1:29:00remember every little tiny thing, but
1:29:02you're going to remember enough to be
1:29:03able to tell me what's going on here.
1:29:05Okay? So, please don't do this to me
1:29:08because I'm being honest with you, and I
1:29:10need you to be honest with me. And so
1:29:12far, it seems like you're just too
1:29:14scared to be straight with me. But I'm
1:29:16telling you, it's it's important. We
1:29:18have to get through this.
1:29:20You have to be honest with me about
1:29:22this. Okay? That's the only way we can
1:29:24move forward is to get be honest and we
1:29:26stood at your house for how long trying
1:29:28to get you to come into office because
1:29:30you're scared. You're scared and I get
1:29:32it. That's why we took our time with you
1:29:34and spoke to you and kind calm you down
1:29:36and let you know. We just need to talk
1:29:38to you. We need to get the story. Need
1:29:40to know what's going on. That's why I'm
1:29:42here talking to you now. I know you're
1:29:44not a bad person. If I thought you were
1:29:45that guy, I wouldn't even talk to you
1:29:47right now. I would just do what I got to
1:29:48do. Okay? But you're not that guy. I've
1:29:51been I've seen those guys before. You're
1:29:53just not in it. So, whatever happened,
1:29:56which you need to tell me. I don't think
1:29:59you're that guy. But something went
1:30:01wrong and we just need to get get it off
1:30:04your chest and you need to explain it to
1:30:06me. So, but I can
1:30:08get you through this, okay?
1:30:12I mean, you get it. It's just not
1:30:14somebody down the street. It's not
1:30:16somebody you know from school. This is
1:30:18your blood. This is somebody that raised
1:30:21you from a baby all the way to this
1:30:22moment and has taken care of you, taking
1:30:25care of you. Well, you guys kind of take
1:30:27care of yourselves. Both of you take
1:30:28care of each other. Okay? So,
1:30:37you know, you have a bond there and that
1:30:40bond just doesn't end when somebody
1:30:42passes away. Okay? But you have to get
1:30:46through this. Okay? It's not a matter of
1:30:50did this happen or did you do this. It's
1:30:52a matter of why it happened. Okay? Do
1:30:54you understand what I'm talking about?
1:30:56We're not we're not thinking, okay,
1:30:57well, is this the right guy? Is this the
1:30:59guy that did this or something went
1:31:00wrong? Is this the right person? You're
1:31:02the right person. You are the one. Okay?
1:31:06It's just a matter of why. Why this
1:31:08happened. Okay? Do you understand how
1:31:10much the why, how important the why is?
1:31:12You ever watch TV shows, crime shows,
1:31:13when you see stuff happen and people
1:31:15don't talk about it and other people
1:31:17just say [ __ ] and they look like
1:31:19monsters because they they're not
1:31:21honest. Okay, that's not you. That's not
1:31:24you. But we just need to know why this
1:31:26all happened. That's all it is. Why this
1:31:29happened? And only you know what that
1:31:31is. You need to talk to me about it so
1:31:32we get through it. You know, you're that
1:31:35you're a good guy. You're a good guy.
1:31:38You got to know that about yourself. I
1:31:42know you're probably beating yourself up
1:31:43on the inside for it all, but you're a
1:31:44good guy. You a mistake was made and
1:31:48like I said, I think you're said
1:31:50something to you that just might have
1:31:52caught you off guard. What you need to
1:31:55Why did this happen? Tell me. Explain to
1:31:57me. I see it in your eyes, man.
1:31:59>> I said I don't remember cuz I when I
1:32:00woke up the other day.
1:32:02>> Mhm.
1:32:03>> What day was that?
1:32:05>> [ __ ]
1:32:10Saturday night.
1:32:12>> Okay.
1:32:12>> No, Sunday night.
1:32:14>> Sunday night. All right.
1:32:15>> Sunday night. I woke up and I found my
1:32:19dad's um old wife on the floor.
1:32:22>> Okay.
1:32:24>> And she said, "You need to clean this.
1:32:27>> You clean up?"
1:32:29>> Um, okay.
1:32:31>> And she just started yelling. And like I
1:32:34said, I just went in my room and closed
1:32:36the door.
1:32:36>> Hey, listen to me.
1:32:39You might be trying to tell me the
1:32:40truth. Okay. When you when she told you
1:32:43to clean your dad's rifle. Okay. Did you
1:32:45do it?
1:32:47>> No. She said um I said we ain't got
1:32:50nothing to handle it.
1:32:51>> Did you happen to handle the gun and it
1:32:53went off by accident or something?
1:32:55>> No. It's like
1:32:56>> Did it slip?
1:32:57>> No. It's like she kept banging on the
1:33:00door and I'm like, "Open up the door."
1:33:02>> Okay.
1:33:03>> And I said, "Let's let me go to sleep."
1:33:06>> She kept it up.
1:33:07>> Yeah. Kept banging on the door. Opening
1:33:08and close and open and closing. How long
1:33:10that go on for
1:33:21probably about 20 minutes. Then I just
1:33:23went to sleep.
1:33:24>> Okay. So, where's that gun?
1:33:26>> It was supposed to It's my dad's rifle
1:33:29is
1:33:30>> sitting next to the um by my closet
1:33:32>> in your room.
1:33:33>> Mhm.
1:33:34>> Okay. When Where was the gun? Did you
1:33:37need to clean it? Where was that?
1:33:39>> Um, it was in the laundry room cuz
1:33:41that's where a plumber was supposed to
1:33:43come by.
1:33:43>> Okay. Is that where you keep the gun
1:33:45normally?
1:33:45>> No. No. That's where she put it in the
1:33:47laundry.
1:33:47>> She put it there. Okay. You know how to
1:33:49you know how to work guns and stuff? You
1:33:51>> not really just clean it up? She said it
1:33:53was rusty.
1:33:54>> Now, when you say clean it up, how how
1:33:56what would you do to clean it up?
1:33:58>> I didn't clean it up yet.
1:34:00>> Okay. Did you check to see if it had
1:34:03bullets in it or anything or if it was
1:34:04loaded?
1:34:05>> No. Okay. Did the gun go off?
1:34:10>> Be honest with me now.
1:34:12>> I don't remember cuz I said if the gun
1:34:14went off, you didn't know it. It's a
1:34:16gun. It makes a loud bang. It either did
1:34:18or it didn't. So if it did, just be
1:34:21straight cuz I know I'm going to know.
1:34:22>> It probably did, but it was
1:34:24>> Okay. So if the gun went off, it
1:34:26probably did. How would kind of explain
1:34:28that to me if you could like how would
1:34:29it how did it go off?
1:34:32I'm like came in there and I'm like
1:34:35trying to sleep
1:34:36>> and I'm like I said I'm trying to
1:34:39remember if I did anything I'm like
1:34:42>> like I said I had just took that
1:34:43medication.
1:34:44>> Okay.
1:34:45>> I was drinking some of the vodka and
1:34:46>> Okay.
1:34:47>> I know she got mad at me for drinking
1:34:48the rest of her vodka.
1:34:52>> Mom. So how'd the gun go off?
1:34:55>> That part? I don't remember. I kept she
1:34:58kept showing it to me and it was an old
1:35:02army rifle and
1:35:03>> Okay.
1:35:04>> Did you grab it from her to keep her
1:35:06from
1:35:07>> She kept pushing the door open and a lot
1:35:09kept shutting it.
1:35:10>> Well, let me ask you this. When she kept
1:35:12pushing the door open and shutting the
1:35:13door and she was telling you to to clean
1:35:14the gun, was she holding the gun at that
1:35:16time?
1:35:17>> Mhm.
1:35:17>> Okay. And then you said something else.
1:35:19>> She was pulling it out the case.
1:35:21>> She's pulling out the case.
1:35:22>> Yes.
1:35:22>> Okay.
1:35:23>> Because she' been talking about it for a
1:35:24while.
1:35:25>> Okay. So, did you grab the gun from her
1:35:26to keep her from coming in with the gun
1:35:28so you can clean it?
1:35:29>> No, it's like cuz it was she kept it in
1:35:32the laundry room when
1:35:34>> Okay.
1:35:34>> And there's another um I think she said
1:35:37there's another one in there.
1:35:38>> Another what?
1:35:43>> A rifle? I don't think so.
1:35:44>> Is it like a handgun?
1:35:46>> No,
1:35:47>> but it's not a rifle.
1:35:48>> No.
1:35:48>> What would it be?
1:35:49>> No.
1:35:52>> It's probably a shotgun.
1:35:53>> Shotgun. Okay. because we haven't been
1:35:55loose stuffing in there since it's we
1:35:58moved. It's We got stuff that's been
1:36:00packed up since 19 what? 89
1:36:0697.
1:36:06>> We all have stuff like that in our
1:36:08house. All right. So, the gun went off.
1:36:10You know, it went off. You had to have
1:36:12heard it. Am I correct with that? The
1:36:14gun went off.
1:36:16>> I think it might have went off.
1:36:18>> How could you think? Like, what makes
1:36:19you think it went off? What what is it
1:36:21that makes you feel bad?
1:36:23>> When she gets that way, I try to ignore
1:36:25it and I'm like, I just turned the TV
1:36:26up.
1:36:27>> Well, listen. A gun going off inside of
1:36:28a house is not something you can ignore.
1:36:30It's not something that you would not
1:36:32hear. Even with the TV turned up, you're
1:36:34going to hear it. So, if it went off,
1:36:37just be honest with me because it
1:36:39doesn't matter. I mean, I know something
1:36:41happened and you know, if there's a gun
1:36:43involved, obviously makes sense that it
1:36:45would have went off. Okay? cuz the other
1:36:48detective told you she got a shot.
1:36:52So if the gun went off, that's what I'm
1:36:54talking about. You need to be straight
1:36:56and tell me about that so I know how it
1:36:57happened. The gun's just not going to go
1:36:59off. It takes something to happen to
1:37:02make it go off. So what is it that made
1:37:05it go off? You know what it is, so just
1:37:07be straight with me. What happened? How
1:37:09did it go off?
1:37:10>> Like I said, that part I don't remember.
1:37:13>> Were you holding the gun when it went
1:37:14off?
1:37:15No, she was said, "You need to clean
1:37:18this up. You need to clean it up."
1:37:19>> Okay. And when she said that, what
1:37:21happened?
1:37:22>> She I'm like I'm like I I just ignored
1:37:25her, went back to my TV show and I kept
1:37:27falling asleep. She kept pushing the
1:37:30door open.
1:37:30>> And when she did that, what happened
1:37:32then?
1:37:32>> I'm like, "What the fuck?" He said,
1:37:36"Leave me the [ __ ] alone."
1:37:37>> That's what you told her.
1:37:38>> I'm trying to see.
1:37:39>> And what'd she do?
1:37:42>> Went back to her TV show.
1:37:43>> Okay. But at some point came back again.
1:37:46And what happened then?
1:37:50>> I probably fell asleep again.
1:37:52>> But when she came in, what was going on?
1:37:54She come in and what she say to you that
1:37:55time?
1:37:57>> Cuz I used to have a um
1:38:0022 up under my bed.
1:38:02>> A handgun or a rifle?
1:38:04>> Handgun.
1:38:04>> Okay. So, let me ask you this. Okay. Can
1:38:07let's please let's stop messing around.
1:38:11What what shot?
1:38:14What gun was used?
1:38:16>> What was it?
1:38:17>> Probably the .22.
1:38:18>> The 22 that was in your bed?
1:38:20>> Where did you Well, it was in my drawer.
1:38:23>> Was in your drawer. So, you
1:38:24>> That's where I my um
1:38:26>> Okay.
1:38:26>> My um water um flavors.
1:38:29>> Okay. So, at what point did you get the
1:38:32gun out of that drawer?
1:38:34>> I don't remember cuz like I said, I
1:38:36that's where I keep my um water um
1:38:39flavors.
1:38:39>> Okay. So, your water flavor is there,
1:38:41but he's coming in the room and she's
1:38:42giving you a hard time about cleaning
1:38:43this rifle and it's really aggravating
1:38:45you cuz you really want to go to sleep
1:38:47and it's what is is it in the daytime or
1:38:49the night time?
1:38:51>> Night.
1:38:51>> What What night was this, you think?
1:38:57>> I want to say Sunday night.
1:38:58>> Sunday. Well, Sunday you said you went
1:39:01to the car show and you walked home and
1:39:02it was really late
1:39:05awake then cuz you said she was door was
1:39:07closed. Yeah. So, was it that night or
1:39:09the night before?
1:39:10>> Might have been Sunday night cuz the um
1:39:13like I said, the TV in the living room
1:39:14was still on.
1:39:15>> So, you're just not sure what night it
1:39:16was. A little confusing.
1:39:18>> Yeah. Sunday night after partial one cuz
1:39:20I know it was late when I got home.
1:39:21>> All right. So, she keeps coming in. She
1:39:22keeps harassing. You're trying to get
1:39:24some sleep. She won't leave you alone.
1:39:26You you you reach over cuz you got your
1:39:28water things in there and the flavored
1:39:30waters in your drawer. But at some
1:39:31point, the gun comes out. How'd the gun
1:39:32come out?
1:39:34>> Like I said, that part I don't remember.
1:39:36>> Okay. How'd that gun go off? Because
1:39:37you're telling me that was the gun. So,
1:39:40if that's the gun and you're in bed and
1:39:42the gun is in your drawer and you're
1:39:44telling me that's the gun, you have to
1:39:47know how the gun went off. You're like
1:39:50this close to being honest with me.
1:39:51Don't blow it cuz like I said, I don't
1:39:54remember. I was after that long walk and
1:39:56I said my um had some medication.
1:40:00>> Okay.
1:40:00>> And I was drinking the volume.
1:40:02>> Okay. But you you're telling me you're
1:40:04telling me things that let me know that
1:40:05you know what happened because you're
1:40:07saying no the whole time. But as you're
1:40:09saying no, you're adding more and more
1:40:11and more to this. Okay. So, we went from
1:40:13I don't know anything to had a gun and
1:40:16was coming in and giving me a hard time
1:40:18without cleaning in the middle of the
1:40:19night while I'm trying to get some sleep
1:40:20and I took medication and I don't feel
1:40:22good and it's aggravating me to now well
1:40:25the 22 probably shot her but yet you
1:40:28can't tell me anymore. Now that's not
1:40:30being truthful again. Okay, listen.
1:40:33Listen. This is you. I get where you're
1:40:35coming from. But if you're telling me
1:40:38the 22 is what hit her, you had to know
1:40:40how it hit her because you would know
1:40:42because you're telling me that that's
1:40:43what it was. All right? So, you have got
1:40:46to know that you did something or that
1:40:48the gun went off. Even if it was by
1:40:49accident or however it happened, if the
1:40:52gun went off somehow, you just got to
1:40:53tell me what happened so I understand.
1:40:55Again, you don't want me to assume that
1:40:58I know what happened. Cuz what you just
1:41:00told me is this is how I could take it.
1:41:03You were in bed, didn't give me a hard
1:41:05time about something. You got pissed off
1:41:06at her. You had enough of her crap. You
1:41:09grabbed the gun out of there and you
1:41:10just blasted her because you were sick
1:41:11and tired of hearing her [ __ ] You see
1:41:13how that could sound? Sounds pretty bad,
1:41:15doesn't it?
1:41:16>> I don't think that happened. Is that
1:41:18what happened?
1:41:20>> No.
1:41:20>> No. Because it's you know what happened,
1:41:22but that's not it. But you see how that
1:41:24story could look in front of somebody
1:41:25else if they heard that. That's not
1:41:27fair. That's not fair to you. So if
1:41:30that's not what happened, you have to
1:41:31tell me what happened because I don't
1:41:33want to have to fill in the blanks.
1:41:35Okay? I get it. It's upsetting, but it
1:41:40gets worse if you're not telling the
1:41:41truth. So have the gun go off. Tell me
1:41:44what happened. Explain it to me step by
1:41:46step. As you explain it to me, it's
1:41:48going to make sense to me and I'm going
1:41:49to completely understand where you're
1:41:50coming from.
1:41:52So, explain what happened.
1:41:54>> Well, cuz like I said, I kept it in the
1:41:56corner. Okay. Where my water flavors
1:41:58are.
1:41:59>> Okay.
1:41:59>> And I was trying to move to sleep and I
1:42:02said, "Well, let me I had I got water
1:42:04bottles in there to drink the mixed
1:42:06water."
1:42:07>> Sure.
1:42:07>> And I had to I took one out the fridge,
1:42:09but it wasn't strong enough.
1:42:11>> Okay.
1:42:11>> So, I just walked by her.
1:42:13>> Okay. Were you holding the gun when you
1:42:14walked by her?
1:42:15>> No.
1:42:16>> So, you walked by her and where did you
1:42:18go?
1:42:19>> He back to my bedroom.
1:42:21So you got out of your bed to go get the
1:42:23flavors
1:42:24>> and where you went to get the water. And
1:42:26so then you didn't have the gun then you
1:42:28just took the flavors out.
1:42:30>> No, I keep the flavors in my drawer.
1:42:31>> Right. You took a flavor out and then
1:42:33went and got water or did you get water
1:42:35and then came back?
1:42:36>> I to get the water out of the fridge
1:42:38>> to come back
1:42:39>> and I took a sip out of it but it wasn't
1:42:42strong enough. So I added a little more
1:42:43>> more water. Okay. So you took more out
1:42:45of that drawer. It still doesn't explain
1:42:47how the gun came out and shot you.
1:42:50How did that happen?
1:42:53>> The new one cuz
1:42:55I keep it in a drawer. Mhm. Might have
1:42:58went off accident.
1:42:59>> Okay. So, let me ask you a question. I
1:43:02saw your front door. I saw where your
1:43:05hallway is where you walk down and your
1:43:07room faces the front of the street,
1:43:09right?
1:43:09>> Mhm.
1:43:09>> So, you got to walk in your room. So,
1:43:12say if we were to go out this door,
1:43:14pretend we're in your room and that's
1:43:16your door. This is your front window
1:43:18that goes to the street. This is the
1:43:19side window that would look at the side
1:43:21of the house to your neighbor's house.
1:43:22Where's your bed at?
1:43:25>> Okay. You have a front window. This is
1:43:28>> This is your door. If you were to go out
1:43:30your door and go this way, you'd go to
1:43:31the front door where we were. Can you
1:43:33picture that in your mind?
1:43:35>> Yeah.
1:43:36>> Okay. So, when you walk in your room
1:43:38from that, you come in your house, you
1:43:39go down the hall, you come in this room
1:43:41right here. This is your bedroom. This
1:43:42is the front window. And this faces the
1:43:44front of the street. Where is your bed
1:43:46in this room?
1:43:48>> Um,
1:43:49>> what wall is your bed on?
1:43:51>> The front window is up against that
1:43:53wall.
1:43:54>> Okay. Is the bed long ways out towards
1:43:56the door or is it long ways this way?
1:43:59>> Um, long ways toward the door.
1:44:02>> So, it's sticking out like if you were
1:44:03laying in bed, your feet would point at
1:44:05the door.
1:44:06>> Yeah. But I lean it sideways on the bed
1:44:09cuz the dogs and everything sleep up
1:44:11there and
1:44:12>> Okay.
1:44:12>> I don't have enough pillows to um watch
1:44:14TV.
1:44:15>> Do you think you can draw your room for
1:44:17me if I was to give you a piece of
1:44:18paper? Like you could draw how your
1:44:20furniture is?
1:44:22>> You think you could do it?
1:44:27All right, let me do this.
1:44:30I'm just going to do your big the big
1:44:31house. This is your whole house. Okay.
1:44:34This is your carport here in the
1:44:36driveway. Okay? You feel me? This is
1:44:39where your car is right now. And this is
1:44:41your front door right here. And this is
1:44:44your back door. It goes out to your
1:44:45yard. And this is the main street. Are
1:44:47you with me?
1:44:49>> Okay. If you're coming I don't want to
1:44:50draw all your rooms, but your room is
1:44:52like right here.
1:44:54Okay. Is that about right?
1:44:55>> Mhm.
1:44:56>> And the doors like right here?
1:44:58>> No. It's kind of
1:45:00>> You doors
1:45:04That's the hallway.
1:45:06>> Where would your door be?
1:45:07>> Right here
1:45:08>> to get into your room.
1:45:09>> Mhm.
1:45:10>> But this is the this is your living
1:45:11room, right?
1:45:12>> Mhm.
1:45:12>> You walk down the hallway to get to your
1:45:13room and there's a bathroom right here.
1:45:16>> There's a bathroom right here.
1:45:19>> Okay. Where's
1:45:20>> the directly across mine?
1:45:23>> Okay. Is that your in there?
1:45:25>> Next to the bathroom. And this is might
1:45:28as well say the kitchen area.
1:45:30>> Okay. So, you have to go down the
1:45:31hallway. So it's it your door doesn't
1:45:33face the front of the house where the
1:45:34living room is, does it? You have to go
1:45:36down the hallway to get to your room.
1:45:37>> Yeah. This you and go down the hallway
1:45:39to get in the room.
1:45:40>> You're going this way in the hallway.
1:45:41This is the front door. So you walk in,
1:45:43you go this way.
1:45:44>> This is the front door.
1:45:45>> Yeah.
1:45:45>> And I come in, get my water, which is
1:45:48the kitchen over here.
1:45:49>> Okay. But in your room, where's your bed
1:45:51at? This is
1:45:52>> uh I'm g
1:45:53>> cuz this is the front window here. This
1:45:55is the main road.
1:45:56>> This is my bed.
1:45:58>> Okay. Is that how your bed sits? Just
1:46:00like that.
1:46:01>> Yeah. And I got a dresser.
1:46:03>> Okay.
1:46:04>> And
1:46:06to TV stand. And another little dresser
1:46:10here. And this is a little closet.
1:46:12>> Okay. So, where where's the dresser
1:46:13where the gun was at?
1:46:15>> Right here.
1:46:16>> So, you you're laying in bed here, but
1:46:17the but the dresser's over here.
1:46:19>> Yeah. That's where I watch TV.
1:46:21>> Okay. So, your TV's over here, too.
1:46:22>> There's
1:46:24like a foot space. Yeah. Too too small.
1:46:27>> That's okay.
1:46:27>> Foot cuz I don't lay it length ways,
1:46:30>> right? I lay them sideways across the
1:46:32bed.
1:46:33>> Gotcha. Don't your feet go off the side.
1:46:37>> You're a tall guy.
1:46:38>> I put them on the um there's a little
1:46:41chair.
1:46:41>> Oh, I got you. So, your feet just go
1:46:43across there.
1:46:43>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:46:44>> I got you.
1:46:45>> Little feet across there. Or I put them
1:46:47straight up on the dresser that's right
1:46:49here.
1:46:49>> Okay, good.
1:46:50>> Cuz I can't get com.
1:46:51>> Okay. So, do me a favor. Uh
1:46:54so, which drawer is your gun in?
1:46:56>> Uh
1:46:58it was in the first drawer now. Is it
1:47:00you have like first, second, third rows
1:47:02or is it just Was it in the top drawer
1:47:04or the middle drawer or the bottom
1:47:05drawer?
1:47:05>> Uh the top drawer.
1:47:06>> The top drawer. Do you have three sets
1:47:08of drawers or is it two sets? The long
1:47:11long drawers?
1:47:14>> Four.
1:47:15>> It's four across.
1:47:16>> Yeah. I'm going to go all right way.
1:47:18>> And and and it's in the top drawer.
1:47:20>> Mhm.
1:47:20>> In the middle or what? Or on the end?
1:47:22Which which drawer would it be in?
1:47:25>> Yeah,
1:47:27it should be in the top drawer.
1:47:28>> Top drawer. Is that where that thing
1:47:30would be right now?
1:47:31>> No, it's probably in the second drawer.
1:47:34>> Okay. You put it back there
1:47:35>> because I was that this is where the top
1:47:38drawer is where I keep all my um
1:47:42water flavors.
1:47:44>> Okay. And that was
1:47:46>> and I don't pay attention half the time.
1:47:48I just looking at grab and feel around.
1:47:50>> Gotcha. So, okay. So, we're set with
1:47:52this. So, do me a favor. Um, print your
1:47:54name right here so that I know that this
1:47:56is what you drew, not me. Because you
1:47:59know your room better than me. So if you
1:48:01just write your name there so I know.
1:48:04>> Okay. Is that how you do your name?
1:48:06>> Well, you said initial.
1:48:08>> Oh, I meant your name.
1:48:10>> Yeah.
1:48:11>> Sorry. Your full name.
1:48:12>> Oh, you said full name.
1:48:13>> I'm sorry. When I said your I if I said
1:48:15your initials, I'm sorry. I meant your
1:48:17name. So, if you can just write your
1:48:19name underneath that, that's fine.
1:48:23>> I appreciate that. That kind of explains
1:48:24and helps me kind of picture what your
1:48:26room looks like. um because I'm not you
1:48:28know I didn't see a room so I'm kind of
1:48:30not sure what it is. All right if you
1:48:32put the date underneath there so I know
1:48:33that this is the date today is uh 1122
1:48:37of 23.
1:48:39>> So if you do November 22nd 2023
1:48:49>> All right. Awesome.
1:48:50>> Cuz
1:48:52it might have been an accident cuz I
1:48:54noticed there was a hole in their door.
1:48:56Then through the door.
1:48:59>> Why would there be a hole in your door?
1:49:01>> Cuz I I wasn't paying attention. I
1:49:03looked at it and I
1:49:03>> Okay. Did you uh So, so how the gun
1:49:07explain to me how the gun came out and
1:49:09how it went off.
1:49:11>> Well, cuz like I said, that's where I
1:49:12keep my um water flavors.
1:49:14>> Okay.
1:49:15>> And I keep food in the next door and
1:49:17Okay. cigarettes in the other door.
1:49:19>> Okay.
1:49:20>> And that's where I keep my water
1:49:22flavors. And I just was feeling around,
1:49:24>> right?
1:49:27Then another light.
1:49:28>> Okay,
1:49:28>> this light went accidentally went off.
1:49:30>> Okay, so let me ask you this. If it went
1:49:34off, how would it accidentally go off in
1:49:36that drawer? What would have happened to
1:49:37make it accidentally go off?
1:49:39>> Cuz I was feeling around. I couldn't
1:49:41find it.
1:49:41>> So you think you might have touched the
1:49:43gun and made the trigger go off?
1:49:45>> Has that ever happened before in the
1:49:47house?
1:49:49>> My dad did it.
1:49:50>> Your dad did it once a long time ago.
1:49:52You never did it, right? You're good
1:49:54with it. Okay. So, if I go to your house
1:49:58and I go in and I look at that drawer
1:49:59and I look at your dresser and I find
1:50:01that gun in the dresser and you're
1:50:03telling me I'm going to find a hole
1:50:04through the dresser. No, it's that
1:50:07there's not a hole in the dresser cuz I
1:50:09was taking stuff out to um put on the
1:50:11stuff. Um
1:50:12>> Okay.
1:50:13>> And I was praying for roaches cuz Okay.
1:50:15>> You got a bad roach problem.
1:50:16>> Gotcha. So,
1:50:20where did
1:50:22>> I don't know
1:50:23>> what happened after?
1:50:26>> I don't know. I just went back to um I
1:50:29didn't even know it hit her.
1:50:30>> When did you find out that hit her?
1:50:32>> Um
1:50:36Monday in the evening.
1:50:38>> Okay. And where was she when you saw
1:50:40her?
1:50:41>> Uh in her bedroom floor.
1:50:44>> On her bedroom floor.
1:50:45>> Yeah. Right behind her door.
1:50:47>> Okay. If the gun went off, how many
1:50:49times did it go off?
1:50:52>> I don't know.
1:50:52>> Did it go off one time, two times, 10
1:50:54times?
1:50:55>> I don't know.
1:50:56>> You're not sure?
1:50:56>> No.
1:50:57>> Okay. So, what happened to you found
1:51:00her? Was she talking? Was she breathing?
1:51:01Was any
1:51:03>> Yeah, I thought she was on the phone.
1:51:05>> On the floor?
1:51:06>> On the phone?
1:51:07>> Yeah, but she she told me she was on the
1:51:08floor though.
1:51:10>> Yeah.
1:51:10>> So, she was on the floor. Why would she
1:51:11be after the gun? No. Oh, after after
1:51:14the gun went off, I heard her talking.
1:51:16>> You heard her talking
1:51:17>> and I just went back to um
1:51:18>> doing what you were doing?
1:51:20>> Yeah. Watching TV and
1:51:21>> Okay. So, so Sunday night, so now you're
1:51:24telling me Sunday night, this would have
1:51:25happened in the evening. Monday is when
1:51:28you found her in her room on her floor.
1:51:30>> Mhm.
1:51:31>> And what was she doing then?
1:51:34>> Laying there.
1:51:35>> Okay. She wasn't breathing.
1:51:37>> No.
1:51:38>> Okay. Did she What was she wearing?
1:51:41Um
1:51:43I think her house coat.
1:51:45>> What color is that?
1:51:47>> Um she had two or three of them.
1:51:49>> But she was wearing it. You're telling
1:51:50me, right? She was wearing a night coat
1:51:52or what is it? Like a What do you mean a
1:51:54night coat? Can I explain it?
1:51:55>> Um like a bathrobe.
1:51:57>> Like a bathrobe. What color was that?
1:52:01>> I don't know. I don't remember. I think
1:52:02it might have been pink.
1:52:04>> Okay. So, after you seen this and you
1:52:07saw her that way, was she wearing
1:52:09anything else except the bathrobe?
1:52:12>> I don't think so, cuz she just got out
1:52:15of the shower.
1:52:16>> Okay. And how do you know she got out of
1:52:18the shower?
1:52:20>> Cuz I heard her cuz there's only one
1:52:22shower in the house.
1:52:25She got
1:52:26>> So, are you telling me you heard her in
1:52:27the shower just before you went in her
1:52:29room and found her on the floor? No, she
1:52:32prior to that.
1:52:34>> How far prior to that? Like when?
1:52:36>> No, cuz like I said, she was watching
1:52:39TV. She said she's going to take a
1:52:41shower.
1:52:42>> Okay. And when was that?
1:52:47>> Was that Saturday or Sunday or Monday?
1:52:50>> Sunday.
1:52:51>> Was that after you came home from the
1:52:52car show?
1:52:53>> Mhm.
1:52:54>> So you came home, she was in the living
1:52:55room, she was watching TV, she said,
1:52:57"Don, go take a shower." She goes and
1:52:59takes a shower cuz you heard her.
1:53:01>> Did the gun go off after she got out of
1:53:03the shower?
1:53:05>> Yeah. Okay. I think so.
1:53:07>> So, she was wearing that pink whatever
1:53:08it was when she got shot.
1:53:12>> I think so.
1:53:13>> Okay. And then
1:53:16but you didn't check on her then?
1:53:18>> No.
1:53:19>> You just checked on her. You saw her
1:53:20Monday.
1:53:22Is that what you're telling me?
1:53:24>> Okay. And she wasn't breathing at that
1:53:26time.
1:53:26>> No.
1:53:26>> She was only wearing a bathrobe. Did she
1:53:28have any clothes else on? She have
1:53:29underwear on at all
1:53:31>> or was she completely naked?
1:53:33>> Yeah, I think she got a bra on.
1:53:35>> Okay. So, what did you do then?
1:53:37>> I'm like I just started drinking and I'm
1:53:40like, like I said, that long walk hurt
1:53:42my back.
1:53:43>> Gotcha.
1:53:44>> And like I said, I took some of her
1:53:45medication.
1:53:46>> Okay. So, what'd you do with her after
1:53:49that?
1:53:50>> I don't remember. I was drinking all
1:53:51day.
1:53:52>> Come on, man. You can't drink that. And
1:53:54I'm like,
1:53:54>> I get it. I know you were drinking. I
1:53:56know you were intoxicated. I get it. But
1:53:58you you can't not remember. I know you
1:54:01know because there's no way you could
1:54:02have done what you did without knowing
1:54:04what you did. If you're that
1:54:06intoxicated, you would never be able to
1:54:07do what you did. Okay? It wouldn't have
1:54:09never happened. You wouldn't have been
1:54:11able to do it. You have to have some
1:54:12thought to it in order to do this. Okay?
1:54:15So, what happened? What did you do?
1:54:19>> Be straight with me. Don't tell me I
1:54:21don't know. Please don't do that to me.
1:54:22Like I said,
1:54:25when I was drinking
1:54:26>> Mhm.
1:54:27>> I'm like cuz my back been killing me and
1:54:30I took some of her medication.
1:54:31>> Okay.
1:54:32>> And when I take her medication on,
1:54:36black out sometimes.
1:54:37>> I get it. I totally get it. But you're
1:54:39not going to black out and not know
1:54:40where you go and what you do. I'm going
1:54:41to tell you that right now. If you black
1:54:43out, you're going to black out in your
1:54:44room and you're going to wake up in your
1:54:45room. Some people have episodes where,
1:54:48you know, they may have a split in time,
1:54:50but I'm telling you,
1:54:53I'll be straight up with you now, okay?
1:54:54I'll be honest with you. Everybody I
1:54:56ever interview, everybody, and I'm
1:54:59telling you, everybody,
1:55:01when they have to tell me something that
1:55:02they don't want to tell me because
1:55:04they're afraid to tell me or they're
1:55:05scared or they're embarrassed or they're
1:55:07ashamed, that's the first thing they
1:55:09tell me. I blacked out. They remember
1:55:12everything until that and then I blacked
1:55:14out. When do you remember anything? Oh,
1:55:16I was back home. I was back home. Watch
1:55:18TV again. Not I'm just making that part
1:55:21up. But they always say they black out
1:55:23when they don't want to talk about
1:55:24something. So, I know. No, you didn't
1:55:27black out.
1:55:27>> I don't drink.
1:55:28>> Listen, I get it. You don't drink that
1:55:30much. But if you black out on your
1:55:32alcohol, you're not going anywhere.
1:55:34You're going to pass out in your
1:55:35bedroom. You're going to wake up in the
1:55:36bedroom and that's going to be the end
1:55:37of it. You did specific things. You're
1:55:40got the cameras across the street. It's
1:55:42It sees everything. If you blacked out,
1:55:45there is no way you could have done what
1:55:46you did if you was blacked out. Okay?
1:55:50So, don't make this worse by not being
1:55:52honest about it. I'm not saying you're
1:55:54you you may have forgotten some little
1:55:56bit of details. I'm going to give that
1:55:58to you. I get it. There's things you may
1:56:00not totally remember, but there's things
1:56:02you're just not going to forget. But,
1:56:04I'm going to be straight with you. I'm
1:56:06not going to [ __ ] you. If you know
1:56:07what happened and where you went with
1:56:08her, that's what I want you to be honest
1:56:10with me about. That's going to show what
1:56:12kind of man you are. Okay,
1:56:16it's it's you're scared now because
1:56:17something happened. You don't know what
1:56:18to do. You're afraid. Okay, you don't
1:56:22know what to do and you're not thinking
1:56:24rationally at this point because you're
1:56:26so upset about what happened, but you
1:56:28did certain things. And I know that's
1:56:30not what you normally would do, but you
1:56:33didn't know this was going to happen
1:56:34either. So now you're you don't know
1:56:37what to do. Okay. So I know what
1:56:39happened and I know where you went.
1:56:41But you need to tell me because I know
1:56:43you know and I know you're afraid to
1:56:45tell me because it probably is not
1:56:46something you're proud of doing. But I'm
1:56:50going to give it the fact that I don't
1:56:51think you understood. I don't think you
1:56:53were thinking clear when you did it.
1:56:55Okay? Cuz I know you're not that guy. So
1:56:59I know you never purposely do what you
1:57:01did and take her where you took her. But
1:57:04because you're panicking and you don't
1:57:05know what to do, your mind doesn't think
1:57:08straight and it just kind of does things
1:57:09that you normally wouldn't do. So, I get
1:57:12it. But you got to tell me because it's
1:57:14going to show you're honest with me. If
1:57:17you hold back now, it's just going to
1:57:19say, "This is the guy. I don't need to
1:57:20be on the street no more cuz he can't
1:57:22even be honest about it." You get it?
1:57:25So, what happened? You saw her there.
1:57:27Now, you got to do something about this.
1:57:29You didn't call 911, right? Because
1:57:30you're scared.
1:57:31>> Yeah.
1:57:31>> Okay. There's nothing to do at that
1:57:33point
1:57:34>> because I was like I said I was drinking
1:57:36and I was like I didn't know what to do
1:57:38>> cuz my phone don't work and I'm like
1:57:40>> sure I understand
1:57:42>> it's like it's like
1:57:45>> okay well
1:57:46>> I was just here cuz it was
1:57:48>> exactly you're scared
1:57:50>> scared because it was an accident and I
1:57:51didn't want to
1:57:52>> sure I totally get see that's what I'm
1:57:54saying I know this is an accident so
1:57:56because you're scared and you don't know
1:57:57what to do what did you end up doing and
1:58:00I know that's not what you wanted to do
1:58:01but What ended up happening? What
1:58:03where'd you go or what' you do? How did
1:58:05you How did you move your was What did
1:58:08you do?
1:58:10>> Well, I think I was on a tarp.
1:58:13>> A tarp. What kind of tarp are you
1:58:15talking about?
1:58:16>> Uh, blue one.
1:58:17>> Okay. And where's that at?
1:58:19>> In the backyard cuz we were washing it,
1:58:21you know, to put back on top of the
1:58:23chicken cage.
1:58:24>> Okay. So, you took the a blue tarp
1:58:26that's in the backyard. Is it in the
1:58:27backyard right now?
1:58:28>> Yeah.
1:58:28>> Where at the backyard? And probably in
1:58:31the middle part
1:58:32>> like if I'm looking out your back door,
1:58:34it's just in the middle of the yard laid
1:58:35out on the ground
1:58:36>> or is it rolled up somewhere?
1:58:38>> It's just laying out there.
1:58:40>> Is it?
1:58:40>> Because it it I was trying to put it in
1:58:42the shower
1:58:43>> to wash it off afterwards
1:58:45>> because we leave um a bucket in there
1:58:47cuz we got a leak and we leave a bucket
1:58:49in the shower to um
1:58:50>> Okay. So, you went and got this blue
1:58:52tarp from the backyard and you use that
1:58:54to do what?
1:58:56>> No. Um put it under her.
1:58:58>> You put it under her. Okay. And then
1:59:00what did you do after you did that? What
1:59:02happened?
1:59:04>> I think I might have put her in the
1:59:05sewer.
1:59:06>> In the sewer? Well, how did you get to
1:59:08the sewer?
1:59:10How did you get to the sewer where where
1:59:12it was at?
1:59:14Like, how did you get there?
1:59:16>> That I don't even remember cuz I was
1:59:18drinking.
1:59:19>> Listen, you were drinking about 5
1:59:21minutes ago and you didn't tell me any
1:59:22of this and then you just told me this.
1:59:24So, if you remember that you put a tarp
1:59:27under and you remember the tarp was in
1:59:28the backyard, then I'm sure you remember
1:59:31what you did when you picked her body
1:59:32up. Where'd you put it?
1:59:35>> It might have been in the sewer.
1:59:37>> No. How What did you Did you walk there
1:59:39with her on your back? Where'd you put
1:59:40her?
1:59:41>> I didn't knock her on.
1:59:42>> Okay, that's all. That's not so hard,
1:59:44dude. You're You're leaving out in
1:59:46You're leaving out details that don't
1:59:48even matter at this point. I just want
1:59:50to know that you're telling me the
1:59:51truth. That's all.
1:59:53>> It's okay. say it was just an accident.
1:59:55>> I listen, I get it. I get it and I
1:59:57believe it. But you put her in the back
1:59:59of the car. It Okay, so where in the
2:00:03back of the car did you put her?
2:00:05>> Um, in a tailgate area.
2:00:08>> So you had to lift the back part up to
2:00:10put her in.
2:00:11>> Did you How did you put her in there?
2:00:13Like how was she facing inside there?
2:00:15How did you do it?
2:00:17>> Head first.
2:00:17>> Head first. So her head was up by the by
2:00:20where you're sitting.
2:00:21>> Mhm. Is that why that seat is down?
2:00:23>> It's always been down.
2:00:25>> Okay. So, the seat's always been down.
2:00:26And you just put it right like that.
2:00:28>> Yeah. Well, it's been down for I want to
2:00:30say about a month cuz he had just
2:00:32brought a lawnmower in.
2:00:33>> Okay.
2:00:34>> In Tampa.
2:00:35>> All right. So, then you put her in the
2:00:36car and then you drive her over to You
2:00:38said the sewer. Where's the sewer at?
2:00:40>> Um I guess by Dollar Tree or Family
2:00:43Dollar.
2:00:43>> Is that across the road from where you
2:00:45live? Like on the other side?
2:00:47>> Mhm.
2:00:47>> Okay. You got the Dollar General store
2:00:49next to you? Dollar General. Is there a
2:00:50road or a dirt road or something that
2:00:51goes down there? Is that where it was?
2:00:53>> Uh, yeah. Little dead in road turns into
2:00:56the Dollar General.
2:00:57>> And when did you do that?
2:01:01>> Probably Monday morning.
2:01:04>> What time thing?
2:01:05>> Was it late in the night time?
2:01:07>> Um,
2:01:09yeah, it was late.
2:01:10>> Okay.
2:01:11>> But I don't
2:01:11>> You don't It was dark time.
2:01:12>> Yeah.
2:01:13>> Okay. So, you drove across there and
2:01:15then you How'd you get her in the sewer?
2:01:18>> Well, it was open. What was open?
2:01:20>> The sewer. The top of it was open.
2:01:23>> The round part.
2:01:24>> Mhm.
2:01:25>> What do you mean it was open? Where was
2:01:26it? That doesn't usually That's never
2:01:28open.
2:01:30>> It too.
2:01:30>> Did you open it? Did you pull it off to
2:01:32to make it so you can stick her in
2:01:33there?
2:01:34>> No, it was already off.
2:01:35>> And where was it sitting at?
2:01:36>> Um on to the side.
2:01:39>> It was not on the the hole was open.
2:01:42>> Yeah.
2:01:42>> So you just put her through the hole.
2:01:45>> Yes.
2:01:45>> Okay. It's okay, man. I understand.
2:01:48At this point, you're not thinking
2:01:49strike. You're just you're just scared.
2:01:51>> It was accident.
2:01:52>> I get it. Okay. So, let's go back a
2:01:54minute.
2:01:55>> You said it was an accident, but the way
2:01:58you're telling me the shot. Okay. Let me
2:02:00stop and stop my So, when you put her in
2:02:02the sewer, what happened to the blanket
2:02:05that that tarp that you used? You said,
2:02:07"Did you take that tarp with you back to
2:02:09the house?"
2:02:10>> Yes. Cuz it was that shower and you took
2:02:12it into your shower. Her shower? No.
2:02:15There's only one shower in the house.
2:02:16>> Okay. So, wherever that shower is, you
2:02:18took her into the shower. You took the
2:02:19tarp into the shower and was washing
2:02:21>> out the shower.
2:02:22>> I took it out of the shower
2:02:24>> to use like it was in the shower to
2:02:27begin with.
2:02:27>> Yeah. It was dirty. Okay. Because
2:02:29>> So you So the tarp wasn't in the
2:02:31backyard. It was in the shower the whole
2:02:33time.
2:02:33>> Yes.
2:02:33>> You used that tarp that was in the
2:02:35shower to
2:02:37>> to take her over and you put her in the
2:02:38sewer. Is that what you're telling me?
2:02:40Okay. So when you got done, you took the
2:02:42tarp with you. You went back to your
2:02:43house. What did you do with the tarp
2:02:45when you got back to your house?
2:02:46um put it in the backyard.
2:02:48>> You didn't clean it or nothing. You just
2:02:49do it in the backyard.
2:02:50>> Yeah, I was trying to clean cuz that's
2:02:52what I um cuz there's no water pressure
2:02:54in the shower.
2:02:55>> Okay.
2:02:55>> And there's a constant leak in there. So
2:02:58>> Okay. So did you
2:03:00did you try and clean the tarp off?
2:03:03>> No.
2:03:04>> You just put it in the backyard and put
2:03:05it down clean off cuz um
2:03:07>> Where did you do that at? Where'd you
2:03:08try
2:03:08>> it? In the backyard cuz it goes to the
2:03:10chicken cage.
2:03:11>> Do you have a a hose or something you
2:03:12were using?
2:03:13>> Yeah.
2:03:14>> Okay. So, is there more than one tarp in
2:03:16the backyard or is just that one?
2:03:18>> Um, that one in um
2:03:21Oh, there's was a pool back there.
2:03:23>> Okay. But the tarp we're talking about,
2:03:26is it the only one I'm going to find
2:03:27back there or like two or three of them?
2:03:29>> One.
2:03:29>> Just one. Is it spread out on the ground
2:03:31like you're going to walk on it or is it
2:03:33is it crumbled up and just throwing on?
2:03:35>> Folded up.
2:03:36>> Folded up. Was it folded neatly or is it
2:03:38just kind of crumbled up?
2:03:39>> Folded up just to go over. We had it on
2:03:41the fence cuz the um we took it off cuz
2:03:45there was too many leaves getting on it
2:03:47from the um
2:03:48>> Right.
2:03:49>> And that's where the chickens go and
2:03:50since the chicken don't go back inside.
2:03:52Okay.
2:03:53>> He sleeps in my room.
2:03:54>> Gotcha.
2:03:55>> And I put it in the bathroom. It came
2:03:56clean off to put it on top cuz
2:03:58>> Gotcha. sheep been pooping too much.
2:04:00>> Okay. So, I got you there. All right. Um
2:04:05so, I'm going to go back a little bit to
2:04:07where the shooting actually happened. It
2:04:10doesn't make a lot of sense the way
2:04:11you're telling me it happened. Now,
2:04:13we're going to go out to the house and
2:04:15we're going to go into the house and
2:04:16we're going to see everything that we
2:04:17need to see and we're going to know how
2:04:19it happened because there's going to be
2:04:22gunshots. There's going to be holes in
2:04:24walls. There's going to be things we're
2:04:26going to find out. So, I don't want to
2:04:29go out there and find something that we
2:04:30didn't already talk about. I'll be
2:04:32disappointed. Like I told you, like I
2:04:34said, when I woke up after that,
2:04:36>> right,
2:04:37>> that that
2:04:38>> okay
2:04:39>> to the day.
2:04:41Yeah.
2:04:42>> So,
2:04:45>> yeah, two next day cuz I got two clocks
2:04:49in my room there messed up. It's the
2:04:51clock
2:04:52>> atomic clock, right?
2:04:53>> And
2:04:55apparently it changed times and I can't
2:04:57see that at night. The cats had knocked
2:04:59the um I got a little digital clock
2:05:02sitting next to my bed and that's where
2:05:04the cats go in and out the window and
2:05:06they knocked it down.
2:05:07>> Okay.
2:05:08>> And I said I'll just reset it in the
2:05:10morning.
2:05:11>> Okay. So, let me ask you this. Be honest
2:05:14with me. Promise.
2:05:16Promise. Okay. when you're arguing with
2:05:20you and arguing because this is what I'm
2:05:22seeing arguing with you, fighting over
2:05:24this gun to wash the gun, clean the gun,
2:05:26do it all. You're just trying to sleep.
2:05:28You walked all day, you were out at the
2:05:29car show all day, you need all day, you
2:05:31came home. I can tell you probably be
2:05:33agitated as all get out [ __ ] you now.
2:05:35And it's in the middle of the night.
2:05:37Okay, I can see you grabbing the gun and
2:05:40maybe not intending to shoot, but you're
2:05:44holding the gun and pointing it at her.
2:05:46It's not going to go off by accident.
2:05:47And you know how I know. Listen. Okay. I
2:05:50know how I know. Body and I saw how the
2:05:53gunshots were
2:05:56standing up and you're grabbing that gun
2:05:58out of that drawer. It's not going to
2:06:00hit her that way. It's not going to
2:06:02cause the injury that I saw. The only
2:06:04way it's going to happen is if you're
2:06:06holding the gun and pointing again. You
2:06:09might have been pointing at her and
2:06:10because of the state you were in, maybe
2:06:12you were aggravated and you accidentally
2:06:13pulled the trigger or maybe you weren't
2:06:15thinking and she just made you so mad
2:06:16you pulled the trigger. I don't know.
2:06:18But she was not you you did not shoot
2:06:21from the drawer. It didn't happen that
2:06:23way. I don't have to see your house to
2:06:25know this.
2:06:27Not a super tall girl, but she's not
2:06:28short either. And that drawer you're
2:06:31talking about is going to be waist or
2:06:33lower.
2:06:33>> Oh, okay. Even still, if you where she
2:06:36was shot, it would not have hit her in
2:06:38that area if it was shot from the side
2:06:41of the drawer. And I got a feeling when
2:06:43I go out to your house, I'm not going to
2:06:45see a hole in the dresser.
2:06:47>> I'm not even going to see it in the
2:06:48door.
2:06:49>> I'll see it in the door, which means the
2:06:50gun had to come out of the drawer in
2:06:52order to shoot through the door. You get
2:06:54what I'm saying? Mhm.
2:06:56>> If it was an accident, you were reaching
2:06:57through the drawer looking for something
2:06:58and your finger hit the trigger and the
2:07:00gun was in the drawer, it would go
2:07:01through the drawer, through the door and
2:07:03hit your mom. Fair to say, right?
2:07:06>> Yeah.
2:07:06>> Okay. But I don't pay attention it cuz
2:07:09like I kept picking on
2:07:11>> flavors up and I put was putting on top
2:07:15of the drawer to get get to the flavor I
2:07:18wanted. again
2:07:20got shot in an area that you can't be
2:07:23shot in shooting it from the top of a
2:07:26dresser sitting on the top. It's not
2:07:29going to hit her that way. She was shot
2:07:32more than one time.
2:07:36She was shot more than once. It wasn't
2:07:38just one. It was more than one.
2:07:43Okay. And that leads me to believe that
2:07:45you were holding the gun at the time it
2:07:47went off. Again, I'm not saying you you
2:07:50wanted to do that. I'm not saying that
2:07:53you were thinking about this all night
2:07:54long and that you just couldn't wait for
2:07:56aggravate you so you could shoot her.
2:07:57I'm not saying that, okay? But you had
2:08:00to have been holding the gun for her to
2:08:02get hit two times. And in the area she
2:08:06got hit, it could have happened just
2:08:08accidentally pulling the trigger on top
2:08:09of the dresser. Okay. again. We've went
2:08:13this far. You've been honest with me. I
2:08:16so appreciate you being honest about it
2:08:19cuz I know this is not something that
2:08:21you meant to do on purpose,
2:08:23but you can't lie about other things
2:08:25because it's as bad as if you lied about
2:08:27the whole thing. You have had to hold
2:08:28the gun
2:08:29>> because like I said, it was
2:08:31>> listen accidentally enough.
2:08:33>> Okay. So, if it was an accident, how was
2:08:36it an accident? You have to explain how
2:08:38the gun shot.
2:08:41Okay. What you told me is not how it
2:08:43could have happened. It can't happen
2:08:45being the way you said. She got shot
2:08:47twice and it was an area that you can't
2:08:50She couldn't have got hit if the gun was
2:08:52sitting down. It had to have been held
2:08:54in your hand. That's what I'm telling
2:08:56you. If you tell me no, I'm just going
2:08:58to have to go.
2:08:59>> Ask where was she?
2:09:01>> I don't want to tell you. That's
2:09:02something you should be able to tell me.
2:09:05You saw her. So, where did you see her
2:09:07shot at? You point to it on your body.
2:09:10You saw her.
2:09:11>> I didn't know it's like I when I seen
2:09:14her body is she was laying face down.
2:09:17>> Okay. Well, was there blood under her?
2:09:20>> Well, a little bit. A
2:09:21>> little bit. Okay. Well, you had to turn
2:09:22her over cuz you
2:09:24>> you didn't turn her over at all?
2:09:25>> No.
2:09:26>> You didn't try and say okay. No, cuz
2:09:29when I touched her, she wasn't moving.
2:09:32Okay.
2:09:32>> And she was kind of stiff. Okay.
2:09:35So, how long do you think she stayed in
2:09:37your house before you actually moved
2:09:38there? Like a day, two days?
2:09:43>> Probably what?
2:09:45>> Three days?
2:09:46>> No, not
2:09:47>> what are we talking about?
2:09:48>> Maybe a day or a half a day.
2:09:51>> Half a day.
2:09:52>> Okay. So, remember when I told you that
2:09:54the camera at the dollar family dollar
2:09:55saw you saw your car leaving your area
2:09:58around 2 3:00 in the morning? See how
2:10:01this all makes sense now?
2:10:03You see, I wasn't lying to you and I
2:10:05wasn't trying to trick you. I was
2:10:06telling you the truth. And it's only
2:10:08because I wanted you to tell me the
2:10:09truth. Okay?
2:10:11>> It was just an accident. I was
2:10:13>> Okay. Well, again, if it's an accident,
2:10:15you have to you have to try and explain
2:10:19to me how this happened. And I want to
2:10:21give you that. See, this is probably the
2:10:23I may not be able to talk to you again
2:10:24after this. So, I want to make sure that
2:10:26I got everything right. I want to make
2:10:28sure that I got everything the way you
2:10:30have to tell me. everything the way it
2:10:32is because when I go to the house and I
2:10:35go investigate further, I'm going to
2:10:37find out more things and I don't want to
2:10:39find out something that you didn't tell
2:10:41me because it's going to upset me
2:10:43because I'm really I'm on your side. You
2:10:46know, I'm on your side and I want to
2:10:47believe everything you told me. But you
2:10:49can't leave any details out. And you may
2:10:51think, oh well, it just is what it is.
2:10:53But no, it means a lot. It means a lot.
2:10:56Forensically, I'm going to be able to
2:10:57see where the bullets went because if
2:10:59there's a hole in the door, I'm going to
2:11:00be able to put a stick through there and
2:11:01figure out what angle the door where it
2:11:03got shot, how the angle was, where the
2:11:05bullet went. Okay, like I said, there's
2:11:07more than one shot. She got shot more
2:11:09than one time. That gun had to been
2:11:11fired more than one time.
2:11:14Okay, if it was one time, okay, maybe.
2:11:16But she still she got shot somewhere
2:11:18that you can't be shot with the gun on
2:11:19the on the dresser. Not happening. And
2:11:22again, when I see the door, I'm going to
2:11:24know what what angle the gun was at when
2:11:26it got shot. So, if it's down here and
2:11:28the bullet's going like this, how's that
2:11:31happen? It's not going to happen that
2:11:32way. It's going to have to happen if you
2:11:34had the gun up. Now, maybe if you had to
2:11:37shoot through the door, maybe she was on
2:11:40the other side of the door and you were
2:11:41just pissed off because she was
2:11:42bothering you. Maybe you didn't know she
2:11:45was on the other side of the door and
2:11:46you shot through the door, not realizing
2:11:49that she was on the other side. I don't
2:11:51know. Maybe you knew she was there and
2:11:53you took a shot at her and got her.
2:11:56>> Did you do that?
2:11:57>> No.
2:11:58>> Okay. So, what did you do?
2:11:59>> Yes. Like,
2:12:00>> how' the gun go off? Explain. Show me.
2:12:02Like, if you have the gun in your hand,
2:12:03show me how you did it so I know how it
2:12:05went.
2:12:06>> Like I said, on the drawer, I keep my
2:12:08water flavors up there.
2:12:10>> Okay.
2:12:10>> I was trying to
2:12:12>> look for it. Okay. Cuz I'm still
2:12:14watching TV. I'm trying to watch TV,
2:12:16>> right?
2:12:17>> And put the flavors in there.
2:12:18>> Gotcha. And like I said, she I think she
2:12:21said she's taking a shower
2:12:23>> and that I keep it in the top drawer.
2:12:26And I was fooling around
2:12:28>> trying to find the flavor that I wanted.
2:12:30>> Okay.
2:12:30>> And
2:12:32put on top of the dresser
2:12:35and it went off accidentally.
2:12:38>> So, how did it accidentally go off? Cuz
2:12:40you said you just put the gun on top of
2:12:42the dresser and then you said it went
2:12:44off. Okay. So, did the gun just shoot by
2:12:47itself? I didn't know it was loaded.
2:12:49>> Did you touch the gun and this how it
2:12:51went off?
2:12:51>> Yeah.
2:12:52>> Okay.
2:12:52>> Because I was taking stuff out of the
2:12:54drawer to get the water flavor that I
2:12:56wanted.
2:12:56>> Gotcha. Okay. So, if the gun went off
2:12:58and you didn't know it was loaded once
2:12:59it goes off once, it's like, "Oh [ __ ]
2:13:02it went off." But there's more than one
2:13:04shot. So, how did it go off more than
2:13:06once?
2:13:08And how many times did it go off?
2:13:11You know the answer to that. And I just
2:13:12need to know what it is. So, I know.
2:13:14>> I thought it went off once, but it might
2:13:16have went off twice. Okay. Could it gone
2:13:18out three times, four times?
2:13:19>> No.
2:13:20>> So, you're saying once, maybe twice, and
2:13:23you're comfortable with that, but not
2:13:24more than two times,
2:13:26>> or could it be three times?
2:13:28>> I don't know.
2:13:30>> Okay.
2:13:32>> Again, you're
2:13:33>> I know that misfired a couple of times.
2:13:35>> It misfired a couple times. Well, how
2:13:37did that happen?
2:13:38>> No, it was my dad's old gun.
2:13:41>> So, it you It misfired a couple times
2:13:43before it actually shot. No, when he had
2:13:45it, it misfired.
2:13:46>> Oh, you're saying when he had it, it
2:13:47would misfire from time to time. Oh, I
2:13:49got you. I thought you meant you it
2:13:51misfired for you this time.
2:13:53>> Okay. And so, let me explain something
2:13:56to you. Got shot twice,
2:14:00maybe three times. I'm not really sure.
2:14:01I can't be I can't be 100% sure right
2:14:04now. Okay. But she got shot again in a
2:14:07place. Okay. It's it if it went off by
2:14:10accident once and hit somewhere. Okay.
2:14:12Okay. If it went off twice, hit
2:14:14somewhere. Okay. If you shot three times
2:14:16and it went off and hit somewhere,
2:14:18what's the chances of it hitting kind of
2:14:19in the same area?
2:14:22That would be a little bit tough, would
2:14:24you think, to believe if if the shots
2:14:27kind of hit the same area two times,
2:14:30three times in a row, even four times?
2:14:33Wouldn't that be a little unusual if it
2:14:35was an accident that it somebody got
2:14:38shot sorted in the same area more than
2:14:41once or twice? That'd be a little
2:14:44unusual. Okay. So, when we find somebody
2:14:48that has bullet holes in them and
2:14:50they're kind of near each other,
2:14:54it kind of again, I'm not saying it it
2:14:56wasn't it was an accident. I'm not
2:14:58saying it was on purpose. But what I'm
2:15:00trying to tell you is I can't believe
2:15:02that the gun was on the dresser and you
2:15:05just grabbed it and it went off because
2:15:06you would have had to pull the trigger
2:15:08more than a couple times. It just you
2:15:11don't pull it once and it goes off two
2:15:12or three times or four times. It just
2:15:14doesn't happen. You physically have to
2:15:16pull the trigger in order to make it
2:15:17work. Now, let me ask you this. I didn't
2:15:19ask you this already. The gun, what kind
2:15:20of gun was it?
2:15:22>> You said it was a .22, but like
2:15:24>> you know the brand name of the gun? Um,
2:15:27well, you know, it says you got RG on
2:15:30the grip.
2:15:30>> RG on the grip. Is that an initial of
2:15:33the gun or just somebody is
2:15:35>> that's on the grip?
2:15:36>> Is it a Is it a Is it a gun that has a
2:15:38cylinder on it that spins or is it like
2:15:40a semi-automatic?
2:15:41>> Oh, cylinder.
2:15:42>> Has a cylinder where it has like How
2:15:44many bullets did it have in it?
2:15:47Um
2:15:52I think
2:15:54four or five.
2:15:55>> Okay. And what color is it?
2:15:59>> Um
2:16:01black.
2:16:01>> The whole thing is black.
2:16:02>> Black. The grips are brown.
2:16:05>> So the the metal part is black and the
2:16:07grips are brown.
2:16:09>> Okay. Do you know how many rounds it had
2:16:10in it? Or or it shoots five or four or
2:16:14five. But do you know how many bullets
2:16:15were in the
2:16:16>> in the gun?
2:16:17>> I think five.
2:16:19>> Five.
2:16:19>> Four or five.
2:16:20>> Did you load it when you got the gun? Is
2:16:21that how you know?
2:16:22>> No, it's always been like that.
2:16:24>> It's always been that way. Okay. So, and
2:16:28after all this happened, you put the
2:16:30Where does Where's the gun at right now?
2:16:32>> Um in either the first or second.
2:16:35>> So, you went put it back in your drawer.
2:16:37>> So, where's the rifle that you're came
2:16:40in the room and asked you to clean?
2:16:41Where's that now?
2:16:42>> Um, in my room, sitting next to the
2:16:44closet.
2:16:44>> Okay. And where did you get that and put
2:16:47When you put it there? Where did you get
2:16:48it from?
2:16:49>> I didn't get it. She She put it in my
2:16:51room.
2:16:52>> Okay. So, when she was telling you to
2:16:53clean it, she had put she put the gun
2:16:55where it is now and she put out there
2:16:57cuz it was laying on the
2:17:00in the living room. Well, well, outside
2:17:02my bedroom door.
2:17:03>> Okay. And you you just put it there when
2:17:06she kept coming in and yelling at you.
2:17:08Like you didn't put it there after she
2:17:10was already shot, right? It was Or did
2:17:12you put it there later?
2:17:13>> No, later. Cuz like I said, she had
2:17:15closed the door and it was laying on the
2:17:18floor.
2:17:19>> She closed what? She closed your door?
2:17:21>> No, her door.
2:17:22>> And the gun was laying in your room on
2:17:23the floor or her room?
2:17:25>> In the hallway.
2:17:25>> In the hallway on the floor. Did she
2:17:27threaten you at all? Like she was going
2:17:29to hurt you or do anything to you when
2:17:31she was mad at you?
2:17:33>> The day before.
2:17:34>> What' she say then? And she was cussing
2:17:37me out and I'm like I like I normally do
2:17:40ignore.
2:17:40>> What was she saying to you when she was
2:17:42cussing you out?
2:17:43>> Yeah. You need to get the [ __ ] out and
2:17:44find a gun. I'm like I've been trying.
2:17:46>> Okay. And what else was said? Anything
2:17:49else?
2:17:50>> Well, I just closed my door and turned
2:17:52the TV up.
2:17:53>> Does she still yell at you while you had
2:17:54that?
2:17:55>> Well, she cussing up a storm.
2:17:57>> Okay.
2:17:58>> And like I said, I ignore cuz like I
2:18:01said, normally she gets up and starts
2:18:02yelling anyway. So, did she threaten you
2:18:05at any point that day or was she just
2:18:07yelling at you? She was mad at you.
2:18:09>> She did once earlier today. I just
2:18:12ignored her.
2:18:12>> What did she say in the earlier part of
2:18:13the day?
2:18:14>> She was in a rhythm. She kept calling
2:18:16me, "Fuck her. You need to die me." And
2:18:18she threatened the animals, too. You
2:18:20need to die. Just die. Die die die.
2:18:23>> That's what you were saying.
2:18:24>> Yeah, that's she's saying I ignore her.
2:18:26>> Okay. Okay. Did she physically hit you
2:18:29at all or it was just she was just
2:18:30yelling and she was mad? when she was
2:18:32yelling.
2:18:33>> Okay. And you didn't do anything to her.
2:18:35You just went in your room and mind your
2:18:36business. Okay. Do you think maybe
2:18:41because of all this harassment you were
2:18:42getting that maybe you just you lost
2:18:45your mind a little bit, got upset at
2:18:46her?
2:18:47>> Cuz that's normal for her.
2:18:49>> Okay. So, are you telling
2:18:51>> me when she cusses me out? I just kind
2:18:53of
2:18:53>> So, you didn't lose your temper at some
2:18:55point. Oh, I've had enough of this. And
2:18:56just shot the gun. Maybe not knowing she
2:18:58was even behind the door, but just
2:19:00shooting through the door out of
2:19:01frustration.
2:19:03>> Did that happen?
2:19:05>> No. Yeah. Well, I might have the TV show
2:19:08I was watching and I'm like
2:19:10I might have been imitating the TV show.
2:19:13>> Okay. What show were you watching?
2:19:16>> I don't remember. It was on Tuby.
2:19:19>> So, but you're saying you were imitating
2:19:20it, so you hadn't known what the show
2:19:22was about. What were they doing in the
2:19:24show?
2:19:25>> Um, had a shoe out. Is it a western show
2:19:28or like a more recent kind of show?
2:19:30>> Um, more recent.
2:19:31>> Was it like a cop show or just
2:19:34>> what was it? What was the premise about
2:19:36like
2:19:39>> a robbery show? I'm like,
2:19:41>> okay.
2:19:42>> Cops and robbers type of [ __ ]
2:19:43>> Okay. But this is all going on around
2:19:45the time your mom was still in yelling
2:19:46at you, but you were in your room.
2:19:49>> Okay. And you said you might have been
2:19:50imitating the shell and shot at the
2:19:52door.
2:19:54>> No. Well, might have shot at her door
2:19:56cuz like I said, I was getting the water
2:19:58flavors out.
2:19:59>> Okay.
2:20:00>> I was trying to get um stuff out and I'm
2:20:03like I grabbed the gun, tried to put it
2:20:06up and talk to find the [ __ ] water
2:20:07flavor that I wanted and I still can't
2:20:10find it.
2:20:11>> All right. So, you're frustrated at
2:20:12that?
2:20:13>> No, the flavor. Yeah, I got I had two
2:20:15bottles in there. One didn't have enough
2:20:18flavor in it. The cold one. So, was your
2:20:22door open when you shot at your door?
2:20:25>> Uh, yes.
2:20:28>> Okay. And her door was shut?
2:20:30>> Yes.
2:20:31>> No. Open her. So, how would it go
2:20:33through the door?
2:20:36>> I don't know.
2:20:37>> Cuz you said it went through her door.
2:20:39>> Yeah. Like I I noticed a bullet hole in
2:20:41her door.
2:20:43>> This was after you had already shot the
2:20:44gun.
2:20:46>> Yeah. The next morning.
2:20:47>> Was there more than one shot through the
2:20:49door? No,
2:20:50>> only one shot through the door.
2:20:52>> Mhm.
2:20:53>> Okay. When you shot through the door the
2:20:56first time, had your exited the shower
2:20:59already? Cuz I think you told her she
2:21:00took a shower and she was already out of
2:21:01the shower.
2:21:02>> Was she screaming at you from the
2:21:04bedroom
2:21:05over to you through the door while you
2:21:08were over in your room?
2:21:09>> Well, she started in the hallway and
2:21:11>> she went in the room.
2:21:13>> Was this after the shower or before? So
2:21:15after the shower, she came out. She was
2:21:16still screaming at you. She went back in
2:21:18her room, shut her door. Or do you know
2:21:20if she shut her door cuz she see it
2:21:23open?
2:21:24>> I just went got up and shut my door
2:21:26again.
2:21:26>> Did the shoot Did you shoot through your
2:21:28door to get to her door?
2:21:29>> No,
2:21:30>> just through her door.
2:21:31>> Okay.
2:21:32>> So, where were you where were you
2:21:34standing when the gun went off?
2:21:36>> I wasn't standing. I was sitting on the
2:21:38edge of my bed.
2:21:38>> So, you were standing You were sitting
2:21:40on the edge of your bed and the gun went
2:21:42off through your door and you were
2:21:44imitating the show you were watching.
2:21:47Okay. But you know in the ring though
2:21:51because she was just got out of the
2:21:52shower.
2:21:54Did you did you think about that?
2:21:57>> No. Cuz she goes in our closet to
2:21:59change.
2:22:00>> Yeah, but you shot into the room knowing
2:22:02got out of the shower. Like why why
2:22:05would you shoot the door when you know
2:22:08there not maybe not knowing she's right
2:22:10behind the door but knowing the room.
2:22:12Why would you ever shoot the gun that
2:22:13direction?
2:22:15What were you thinking about?
2:22:17>> I wasn't thinking about nothing. I was
2:22:19just watching the TV show and Okay. And
2:22:23I had trying to get my drink mixes and
2:22:25>> I was making you mad cuz it wasn't
2:22:26working out.
2:22:28You said you were frustrated.
2:22:30>> Yeah, cuz I couldn't find my drink. And
2:22:32I said, "Just let me stand up on the
2:22:35edge of bed, just take everything out."
2:22:37>> So, you're right-handed or left-handed?
2:22:39>> Right.
2:22:40>> Right-handed.
2:22:41>> Mhm.
2:22:41>> So, you shot with that hand?
2:22:42>> Mhm. And you're sitting on the edge of
2:22:44the bed and you're looking out into the
2:22:45hallway.
2:22:46>> No, I'm trying to watch the TV. And
2:22:49>> so you're sitting on the bed, you're
2:22:50looking at your TV. You're sitting there
2:22:53and you grab the gun and shoot toward
2:22:55your bedroom to But you're thinking
2:22:57you're just imitating what you're seeing
2:22:59on TV. That's what you're telling me?
2:23:02>> Be honest with me cuz there's more than
2:23:04one shot. How many times did the gun go
2:23:07off? Be honest. Cuz you know all this.
2:23:09>> I want to say three.
2:23:10>> You think three times? Okay. I don't
2:23:13know. I'm just asking. I I really don't
2:23:15know because I don't know. I have to see
2:23:17your gun and I can't really tell some of
2:23:20the injuries on your mom. We're trying
2:23:21to figure it all out right now. So, I'm
2:23:23not 100% sure. But, I'm telling you, the
2:23:25gun went off more than once. So, I'm
2:23:26trying to get the truth out of you cuz
2:23:28in the morning, I'm going to figure out
2:23:29how many there were. If there was three,
2:23:31then I'm good. We're good. If it's two,
2:23:33it's two. But I just want to know how
2:23:35many you shot because you should know.
2:23:37>> I want to say three.
2:23:38>> You want to say three? Was there three
2:23:40holes in that door? No.
2:23:42>> Then how did three shots hit you if only
2:23:45one went through the door?
2:23:48>> Cuz my door was halfway open. And
2:23:51>> but her
2:23:52>> I was ignoring her and I'm like,
2:23:55>> "Yeah, but you don't understand what I'm
2:23:56saying. If her door is shut and you have
2:23:58one bullet hole through her door, but
2:24:00you shot three times and she's hit three
2:24:03times.
2:24:04How do I get only one hole in the door
2:24:07and three holes?
2:24:09the door hadn't been opened or something
2:24:11else had to happen.
2:24:13>> You got to tell me you can tell me
2:24:16because like said I was trying to watch
2:24:17the show.
2:24:18>> Okay.
2:24:18>> And I normally ignore but she kept
2:24:20pushing the door open.
2:24:22>> Okay.
2:24:22>> And uh like I said my dad's rifle was
2:24:24laying on the floor.
2:24:25>> Okay. Let me ask you this.
2:24:27>> Like I say three.
2:24:29>> Okay. Well, let me ask you this.
2:24:32I'm I'm kind of getting the picture
2:24:33here. Tell me if I'm wrong. I think I'm
2:24:36right. Don't lie to me.
2:24:38Don't lie to me. Fair.
2:24:41Coming in and out yelling and screaming
2:24:42at you. It's about this stupid gun.
2:24:44You're you're already agitated because
2:24:46all the stuff we already talked about.
2:24:48Your drink you can't get right either.
2:24:49You're sitting on the edge of the bed.
2:24:50You got the gun in your hand.
2:24:53You're watching the TV coming in and
2:24:55out, in and out, in and out, giving you
2:24:56a hard time. Your door is open, but her
2:24:58door is shot or shut. Okay.
2:25:02To me, sounds like you probably just
2:25:04aimed out the hallway. Maybe not even
2:25:07was there. just pulled the trigger a
2:25:08couple times. You may have missed once
2:25:10and hit the door, but the other two hit
2:25:13fell down.
2:25:16Okay. Is that what happened or not? It
2:25:20might have been. No, come on. Stop
2:25:22saying that.
2:25:22>> Like I said, I might have been It's like
2:25:24I said, I'm like I was scared and I'm
2:25:28like I was watching the TV show and I'm
2:25:30trying to find my drink mix and I'm
2:25:32like,
2:25:32>> "Okay." I'm like, "Shut
2:25:36the [ __ ] like
2:25:38>> shot three times.
2:25:39>> Okay. When you're telling shut the [ __ ]
2:25:40up.
2:25:42>> Mhm.
2:25:42>> Okay. So, she's saying you're telling
2:25:44she's giving you a hard time. You said
2:25:45shut the [ __ ] up and you shot three
2:25:46times
2:25:48and she's standing in your door.
2:25:52Make sense?
2:25:53>> Yeah. Because I was trying to ignore.
2:25:54>> Okay. But you couldn't cuz you just kept
2:25:56doing it.
2:25:59That's why I'm hearing from you. She
2:26:00just kept coming in and all you wanted
2:26:02her to do is leave you alone. and she
2:26:04wouldn't leave you alone and you got
2:26:06frustrated and you shot.
2:26:09>> Yeah, but Okay.
2:26:10>> I didn't realize I hit her.
2:26:12>> Okay. Well, what do you think was gonna
2:26:13happen when you shot that direction?
2:26:16She's standing right in your door.
2:26:19Did she fall in the hallway?
2:26:22Cuz I'm going to go out the house. I'm
2:26:23going to know. And if you try to clean
2:26:25it up, I'm going to know that, too. Did
2:26:27she fall in the hallway?
2:26:28>> No, she fell on her bedroom.
2:26:30>> Okay. So, she fell backwards into her
2:26:31bedroom.
2:26:32>> Mhm. didn't shut her door at that and
2:26:34she shut her door then.
2:26:35>> Mhm.
2:26:36>> Okay.
2:26:39And what?
2:26:41So now you did this. Did you not go
2:26:43check on your like right then to make
2:26:45sure she was okay? You had to have known
2:26:47she's hurt.
2:26:47>> No, I heard her.
2:26:49>> You heard her. Was she yelling?
2:26:51>> Upset yelling hurt yelling?
2:26:53>> Upset.
2:26:54>> Hurt.
2:26:55>> She hadn't been yelling like I'm hurt.
2:26:57I'm shot.
2:26:57>> Damn it. No, I'm She kept saying, "God
2:26:59damn it. God damn it.
2:27:01>> You shot me. You shot me. Was you saying
2:27:03that stuff?
2:27:03>> She said, "God damn it." Well, she's
2:27:06always [ __ ] yelling.
2:27:07>> Okay, that's the way she is. Yelling.
2:27:10>> Okay, but you shot the gun. She falls in
2:27:11the room, falls on the floor. Okay. She
2:27:14may have shut the door, but you heard
2:27:15her screaming and yelling. And you must
2:27:16have known you hit her.
2:27:18>> Don't tell them you didn't know.
2:27:19>> I didn't know till the next day.
2:27:22>> You're going to tell me you you did all
2:27:24that and you don't even check on to make
2:27:27sure she's okay. And you just let her
2:27:29lay there. And then the next day you
2:27:31decide, well, maybe I better check on
2:27:33and there she is. That's what you're
2:27:35telling me you did?
2:27:37>> Because I was scared.
2:27:38>> Okay.
2:27:40>> Checking. I'm like I was scared.
2:27:43>> All right. Well, listen.
2:27:43>> Cuz she kept
2:27:44>> I'm going to I'm going to You want some
2:27:46water? You want me to go get a bottle of
2:27:47water for you? Are you thirsty?
2:27:49>> Um, yeah.
2:27:50>> Are you okay?
2:27:51>> Yeah, I can use a bottle of water.
2:27:53>> Okay, sit here. I'm going to go outside.
2:27:55I'm going to go get some water. I'm
2:27:58going to regroup for a minute. I'll come
2:27:59back and talk to you. Is there anything
2:28:00that you left out that you didn't tell
2:28:02me? Understand this. I'm going to go to
2:28:05your house. I'm going to go in your
2:28:07house. I'm going to find all these guns
2:28:08you're talking about, and I'm going to
2:28:10forensically be able to tell you what
2:28:12happened in your house. If something
2:28:14happened different than what you just
2:28:15told me, it's going to be worse than
2:28:18what it already is. If something else
2:28:20happened that you're not being honest
2:28:21with me about, this is the time to tell
2:28:24me now. Because if you don't and I find
2:28:26something else in this house that you
2:28:28didn't tell me that I can show happened,
2:28:31it's going to look really bad for you.
2:28:33And I understand that it was an
2:28:34accident. I'm sure you didn't mean to
2:28:35hurt. I understand tensions got high and
2:28:38she was bugging you and there's a
2:28:40Remember I told you about all these
2:28:41circumstances pile up and things happen
2:28:42that you don't want to. You see, I'm not
2:28:45stupid. I've done this job long enough
2:28:46to know that's probably what happened.
2:28:49And I'm sure you did never meant to done
2:28:51this to do this. I'm sure you never
2:28:53meant to
2:28:55But you lost your temper. She's coming
2:28:57and giving you a hard time, screaming
2:28:59and yelling you, wouldn't leave you
2:29:00alone. And you're telling her to leave
2:29:02you alone, and she just wouldn't do it.
2:29:04And I think you shot the gun out of
2:29:06frustration, probably not realizing that
2:29:08you were actually going to hit her, but
2:29:10you were shooting in her direction, and
2:29:11you hit her. Okay. But if there's not
2:29:13something, if there's something you left
2:29:15out, you please tell me now because I
2:29:17don't want to find it later. Is there
2:29:19any other details you need to tell me?
2:29:21Well,
2:29:23after I realized I did it, I reloaded
2:29:25it.
2:29:26>> What'd you do with the bullets at your
2:29:27shop?
2:29:28>> Um, put it in the trash.
2:29:30>> Which trash?
2:29:32>> Um, trash that went out yesterday. Not
2:29:35today.
2:29:37>> Trash already got picked up today?
2:29:38>> Mhm.
2:29:40>> Okay.
2:29:43>> Which trash can did you put in
2:29:44originally though? What What was it that
2:29:46Which trash can that you put out? Um,
2:29:49>> like it was it in your trash in your
2:29:50house and then you put it out to the
2:29:51street or or what?
2:29:53>> Yeah, in a trash bag that I have behind
2:29:55my door.
2:29:57>> Now, is it like a little Walmart bag
2:29:59that you put trash in? You hang it on
2:30:00your door and just fill it up with
2:30:02stuff.
2:30:02>> Okay. So, you took that and you put that
2:30:05where?
2:30:06>> In the garbage.
2:30:07>> What garbage? Which garbage can?
2:30:10>> The blue one that
2:30:11>> say blue one outside next to your house
2:30:13>> and then the trashman came today and
2:30:15picked it up. Mhm.
2:30:18>> Okay.
2:30:19>> Cuz I didn't take the trash out the last
2:30:22week and
2:30:22>> Okay.
2:30:23>> They had to go out that
2:30:24>> So, the bullets that are in there now
2:30:26are all new bullets.
2:30:28>> And where did those bullets come from?
2:30:30>> Um, in the laundry room and then I put
2:30:33them in my room.
2:30:34>> Is there a box of ammunition? Like the
2:30:36box? It has them all nice and neat.
2:30:38>> Yeah.
2:30:39>> Okay. And that box is now in your room.
2:30:41Mhm.
2:30:42>> It was in the laundry room or
2:30:44>> No, it's it's been in my drawer.
2:30:46>> Okay. So, it's in your drawer where the
2:30:47gun was.
2:30:48>> Yeah.
2:30:48>> Okay. How many bullets are missing from
2:30:50that can?
2:30:51>> I don't know.
2:30:52>> Okay. But you took five new ones out of
2:30:54there and put that in your gun.
2:30:56>> So, now that you know that, how many
2:30:59bullets did you really fire? Cuz you
2:31:01took them out. You would know how many
2:31:02casings there were. How many empty ones
2:31:05were there?
2:31:06>> I just took them all out.
2:31:08>> But But how many weren't were shot?
2:31:10because you know the difference between
2:31:11the ones. Okay. So, it was three that
2:31:13were shot.
2:31:13>> I think three.
2:31:15>> Okay.
2:31:16>> Okay. Did you throw all five of them
2:31:18away or just the three that you shot?
2:31:21>> No, I took when I tried to empty the
2:31:24gun, they all fell on the floor.
2:31:26>> Okay.
2:31:26>> And I just put the bullets back in.
2:31:29>> Okay. But you you put the bullets that
2:31:31were in there back in, but you took the
2:31:32three that were shot and you put them in
2:31:34the garbage and threw them away. And
2:31:37then you reloaded the other three from
2:31:38that other box.
2:31:40>> Is that what you're telling me?
2:31:43>> Okay.
2:31:43>> That's the only other thing that I
2:31:44remember.
2:31:45>> Anything else that you three thing times
2:31:48that I remember?
2:31:49>> Okay. There's no nothing else that
2:31:51happened like no other things happened
2:31:53that you didn't tell me now.
2:31:55>> I may have tried to bump up the floor.
2:31:57>> What floor?
2:31:58>> Her floor in her bedroom.
2:32:00>> Is her floor got carpet or is it
2:32:02>> tile?
2:32:02>> It's tile. So, how did you What did you
2:32:04use to clean that up? Um, my mop.
2:32:07>> Where's the mop at now?
2:32:09>> Um, sitting in the backyard.
2:32:11>> Where at in the backyard?
2:32:12>> In the mop bucket.
2:32:14>> Where's that at? Like, if I was going to
2:32:16the backyard, where would I find it at?
2:32:17>> Outside the door.
2:32:18>> Right outside the door. What color is
2:32:20the bucket?
2:32:21>> Yellow.
2:32:22>> Yellow bucket. And is the
2:32:25is the mop? What color is the mop? What
2:32:28do you
2:32:31>> uh white and green? And what were you
2:32:34cleaning up? What did what was on the
2:32:36floor?
2:32:37>> Blood.
2:32:38>> More blood than you want to admit to me
2:32:40about. Right.
2:32:42>> Okay. Did you clean your dude?
2:32:44>> No.
2:32:45>> Okay.
2:32:46>> I'm like I didn't I just s on the floor
2:32:50and
2:32:50>> Okay.
2:32:51>> Put it in the tar and I got scared cuz
2:32:53>> Okay. So again, you do you know where
2:32:56she got shot for real? Like did you see
2:32:59the spots?
2:33:00>> You seen the spots where she got shot?
2:33:02No. No.
2:33:02>> On her body?
2:33:03>> No.
2:33:03>> You can't tell me where that was at?
2:33:05>> No.
2:33:06>> Okay.
2:33:08Her phone. Did you go in her phone? Did
2:33:11you do anything with her phone?
2:33:12>> No. Did you anything like that? Did you
2:33:14tell anybody what happened?
2:33:16>> No.
2:33:17>> You didn't call nobody?
2:33:18>> Yeah. I couldn't call anybody.
2:33:20>> Okay. You didn't ask for help from
2:33:21nobody. You didn't call anybody say,
2:33:22"Hey, look, I messed up. This is what I
2:33:24need to do. Can you help me?"
2:33:26>> Nothing like that.
2:33:27>> Yeah. Everybody that I know was in
2:33:30>> All right.
2:33:30>> Tamping, like I said, it was an
2:33:32accident.
2:33:32>> All right. Did you take any pictures
2:33:34with your phone about it? Did you take
2:33:35pictures on the floor? Did you take
2:33:37pictures of your house? Did you do
2:33:38anything like that?
2:33:38>> No.
2:33:39>> Okay.
2:33:41All right. Um, let me step out for a
2:33:43minute. I'll see if I can go find you a
2:33:44bottle of water and then I'll come back
2:33:47and if I have any other questions, I'll
2:33:49I'll ask you. And if you have any
2:33:51questions for me, if you think of
2:33:52anything, just get with me. Um, you
2:33:55know, I I believe it's an accident. I
2:33:56believe you didn't mean to do anything.
2:33:58I I do really appreciate you being
2:34:00honest. I hope that lifts off you.
2:34:02Listen. I know it doesn't make it any
2:34:04better.
2:34:05>> Yeah. Like I said, um when I seen the
2:34:08cops at the door, I'm like, "Oh, I'm
2:34:11going to get blamed for something I
2:34:12didn't do again, but
2:34:13>> but this happened by accident."
2:34:16>> Okay. Well, I mean, again, you know,
2:34:19accidents happen. You know, I can
2:34:22understand that. But you look at it from
2:34:23our point of view. We don't know what We
2:34:25don't know what happened at your house.
2:34:27We can only assume certain things. And
2:34:29if I assume the wrong thing, then we're
2:34:30going to have some problems. So, um, you
2:34:33want some pizza? I think we have pizza
2:34:34in the back. You don't You can't have
2:34:36that.
2:34:37>> Um, no.
2:34:38>> Okay. I'll go get you some water. Yeah.
2:34:40You said your stomach is a little funny.
2:34:42So, um, let me go get you some water.
2:34:43I'll come back and give it to you. Just
2:34:45hang tight here. Don't go nowhere. And,
2:34:47uh, we'll figure out what we need to do
2:34:49from here. All righty.
2:34:58All right, man. Here you go. Do you
2:34:59think of anything else you forgot?
2:35:03>> Like I said, it was just an accident.
2:35:05>> Okay. Okay. We have to make some calls
2:35:08because we have to figure out what we
2:35:10need to do. I mean, I know it was an
2:35:12accident, but somebody got hurt. So,
2:35:13we're going to have to run it by the
2:35:14prosecutor to figure out what he wants
2:35:15us to do. So, it's going to take a
2:35:17little bit. So, I just want you to sit
2:35:18here and relax. Think it's going to be
2:35:20okay on the tape?
2:35:21>> I don't know. As soon as I get you
2:35:23figure it out, we'll figure it out.
2:35:25Okay? So, just kind of chill out for a
2:35:27second. If you need anything, just knock
2:35:29on the door and there's a deputy right
2:35:30here. He'll come out and talk to you.
2:35:31>> So, there's no chance I'm going in
2:35:33today.
2:35:33>> Well, you would have, but you told us
2:35:36everything that happened and now I can't
2:35:38let you go home because
2:35:41of what happened,
2:35:43you know.
2:35:45So,
2:35:47u my intention was not to keep you here
2:35:49to be honest with you. if you just told
2:35:50me whatever happened and we would have
2:35:52went about our business. You would have
2:35:53went home, but you did something and and
2:35:57you didn't tell us that before we
2:35:58brought you here. So, I can't
2:36:01>> I can't let you go home now, you know.
2:36:02So, I know you told me it's an accident,
2:36:04but that's going to have to get worked
2:36:05out a little bit later. Um, you made
2:36:08some bad choices and we're going to have
2:36:10to work through it. So, just kind of
2:36:12chill out a minute, drink your water. If
2:36:13you need anything, just knock on the
2:36:14door. We'll come get you. I'll try and
2:36:16figure this out as fast I can and I'll
2:36:18get you some answers. You just go home
2:36:19and see my doggies.
2:36:21>> No, you're not. You're going to go home
2:36:22and see the dogs right now. Um,
2:36:25we'll figure out a way to take care of
2:36:26them for you. So, everybody, everything
2:36:28will be okay. Um, and then I'll call. Is
2:36:32Kathy a friend of your family?
2:36:35>> Oh, my mom's
2:36:37>> Okay, we'll figure something out. So,
2:36:39just hang tight.
2:36:43>> All right. Uh, do me a favor. Go ahead
2:36:45and stand up now because we we worked it
2:36:46out. We're going to have to take you
2:36:47down to the jail for right now.
2:36:49>> Okay. Stay up. Turn around.
2:36:52>> You okay? You got keys in your pocket?
2:36:54>> Yeah.
2:36:54>> Pull them out.
2:37:00>> All right. Is your car keys on here,
2:37:02too?
2:37:04>> Okay.
2:37:04>> Oh, and your house keys, too, right?
2:37:06>> Okay. This is one that cigarette.
2:37:09>> Just put Just put it on the desk there.
2:37:10>> Put on the desk right here. You can't
2:37:11smoke right now. Um I'm going to take
2:37:13your keys and they're going to be put
2:37:14into safekeeping later. and you can get
2:37:15them back at some other time. Um, the
2:37:18reason I'm going to take the keys is
2:37:19we're getting a search warrant for your
2:37:21house and we're getting a search warrant
2:37:22for the car. Okay? We don't want to
2:37:24break either thing. We don't want to
2:37:25break in your house. We don't want to
2:37:26break into your car. So, with the keys,
2:37:28all we have to do is unlock it and when
2:37:29we're done, we'll lock it back up again.
2:37:31When we leave your house, we'll lock it
2:37:32up again and we'll make sure your
2:37:33animals are okay. Okay? We'll either
2:37:36find somebody to take them there to look
2:37:38after them or we will secure them at our
2:37:41facility. We we have deputies at our
2:37:43animal control. So, we'll we'll have a
2:37:45secured over there and held for you.
2:37:47Okay.
2:37:50>> Anything on you, sir, that's going to
2:37:51poke me or anything like that? In your
2:37:53pockets at all?
2:37:53>> No.
2:38:05>> You wearing necklaces or anything like
2:38:07that? No.
2:38:08>> Okay.
2:38:08>> Okay. So, you just got the cigarettes,
2:38:10right?
2:38:10>> Yeah. I'll keep this over.
2:38:12>> All right. ball. Listen, deputy.
2:38:23Following the interrogation, RW Resca
2:38:25Jr. was arrested and booked into the
2:38:27Hernando County Detention Center in the
2:38:29early morning hours of November 22nd,
2:38:322023. Prosecutors later charged him with
2:38:35seconddegree murder and possession of a
2:38:37firearm by a convicted felon. The case
2:38:39eventually went before a Hernando County
2:38:41jury. On November 14th, 2025, Resco was
2:38:45found guilty on both counts. Prosecutors
2:38:48presented evidence from the drainage
2:38:49site, findings from the medical
2:38:51examiner, and recordings of Resco's
2:38:53custodial statements as part of their
2:38:54case. Just over a month later, on
2:38:57December 18th, 2025, Rusco returned to
2:39:00court for sentencing. For the murder
2:39:02conviction, the judge imposed a sentence
2:39:04of life in the Florida Department of
2:39:06Corrections. He also received 15 years
2:39:08for the firearm charge with that
2:39:10sentence running concurrently with the
2:39:12lifetime.
2:39:14Under Florida law, Resca is not eligible
2:39:16for parole, meaning the life sentence
2:39:19requires him to remain incarcerated for
2:39:20the rest of his natural life. Current
2:39:23records listed the case material show
2:39:25that he was transferred from the
2:39:26Hernando County Detention Center into
2:39:28state custody where he remains
2:39:30incarcerated. If you found this video
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2:39:36it really helps support our work and
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2:39:40stories like this one. Thank you.

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