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0:00Hey there, what's up guys? Snoo here.
0:02Welcome to a follow-up video to the
0:04initial build overview video of my
0:06league starter of choice, 3.28 Ice Shot
0:10of Penetration Warden. Here's some more
0:12of that sweet sweet uh background gaming
0:14Tier 17 footage of the same build in
0:18action. I noticed it got a few of you
0:19excited. And so I figured there might be
0:22several of you who are thinking about
0:24maybe actually going to play a build
0:26like this for the first time. I don't
0:28necessarily mean a bow build. Uh I more
0:31or less mean tincture build. Having to
0:33work around tinctures is definitely a
0:35bit different, requires a little extra
0:37paying attention, toggling of things,
0:39couple more buttons involved. And I
0:41don't want anybody to come in or go into
0:43this with having some false
0:44expectations. So I figured it'd be a
0:45good idea to jump out ahead of it, give
0:47you guys a nice video talking about
0:49tinctures, what makes them so crazy
0:51powerful, why, at least in my opinion,
0:53they're still not very popular,
0:54certainly the Warden ascendancy isn't.
0:57And I'd like to give you a few different
0:59setups that might
1:01be fit uh the way you like to play the
1:03game a little bit differently or better
1:05than the way I like to play it. I happen
1:07to be going for a very ambitious setup
1:09with tinctures this time around that
1:10requires like maximum attention,
1:12toggling them on and off uh in order to
1:15maximize the burst window and
1:17everything. It's not the only setup
1:18necessary to play a build like this.
1:22And so yeah, if you're anywhere in
1:23between thinking about league starting
1:25this build
1:26versus just like to see a cool tincture
1:30tech video, maybe get a better
1:31understanding about something you've
1:32never really played with,
1:34well, you're the target audience.
1:36So here's my league starter with the
1:37Path of Building open. If you want to
1:39see this Path of Building, all you got
1:40to do is go down in the description of
1:42video, click the mobile addicts link,
1:43and you can just pull it straight from
1:45there at the top of the page.
1:47So you can see the ascendancy that I
1:49have here at the Warden, and it's
1:51divided evenly between ailment tech with
1:53out of winter, out of summer, and
1:55tincture tech with Season hunter and
1:57experienced herbalist.
1:59Insofar as GGG giving the Warden its own
2:03ascendancy, they unlocked the ability
2:06for range builds such as wanders, bow
2:09builds, etc.
2:11to be able to use tincture effects for
2:13themselves. So now not only reserved for
2:15melee. On top of that with another
2:17ascendancy notable, you get a second
2:19one.
2:21Simple as that.
2:22There's yet another ascendancy point
2:25that we've not really looked at,
2:27certainly not in the last few days,
2:28called enduring suffusion, which
2:31essentially unlocks much higher uptime
2:33for tinctures and makes them drain your
2:36life less. So they will last longer with
2:39less suffering to your mana pool or life
2:41pool, as well as linger effects, so in
2:45both ways increasing their uptime.
2:47If we scroll back and type in tinctures
2:49into the search bar, we'll see it's
2:51populated all over the ranger tree,
2:53naturally, doing all kinds of different
2:55things. Anything between mana
2:57efficiency, the cool down reduction for
3:00higher uptime, increased effect,
3:03synergies between flasks and tinctures.
3:06I want to make a separate YouTube video
3:07on this one right here very soon.
3:11And then a very important one called
3:13blood soaked blade, which transfers the
3:16mana drain that is normally associated
3:18with tinctures into a life drain. And
3:21I've elected to go this keystone this
3:24time around. The way I see it, there are
3:26basically two major factors as to how
3:29you would set up a tincture build like
3:32this or like just about any tincture
3:34build to be honest. It involves whether
3:36or not you're using this keystone and
3:39whether or not you're using this
3:40ascendancy point.
3:42Since this is the setup that I'm using
3:44for my league starter, I figured it'd be
3:46nice to pull up the game footage again,
3:47so you can actually see it in real time.
3:49You can see a stacking weeping wounds
3:51debuff going on there that is making my
3:52life drain harder and harder each time,
3:54each second that I happen to keep the
3:57tinctures active. I can only take it so
3:59far and then I have to turn it off or it
4:01automatically turns off if my life goes
4:02down to one. Tinctures currently off.
4:04Now they're back on, highlighted, doing
4:06a ton more damage while it's active. You
4:08can kind of get a sense of that damage
4:09in maps, although not really since you
4:11still do decent damage with them off.
4:13Now they're on cool down
4:14and my life isn't draining at all,
4:16right? But the second I turn it back on,
4:18life will very slowly begin to drain
4:20until you get, you know, a few dozen
4:22weeping wound stacks [music] and then it
4:23becomes so much of a drain that I can't
4:25even like out leech it with a build like
4:28this.
4:29So an interesting thing happens on this
4:31boss fight. It's a pretty easy fight.
4:32He's only moving at 50% action speed
4:34anyway. I'm really not that worried
4:36about getting hit. I go ahead and kind
4:38of let the tinctures last all the way to
4:40the end where I go literally all the way
4:42down to one life at the same time he
4:44dies. And so I got the full DPS window
4:46in on the kill there and I wasn't too
4:48worried about getting hit. But certainly
4:50there's a lot of situation maps where
4:52you would maybe not feel comfortable
4:54doing that. And so this setup is very
4:56bursty and requires a bit of extra
4:58attention on your life pool, the debuff
5:01stacks. You definitely get a feel for
5:03it. You can just yellow it and just let
5:06them turn off automatically anyway. It
5:08becomes a little precarious on maps with
5:09ground effects, you might imagine.
5:12At any rate, that's this setup. Let's
5:14now examine a bit more conservative way
5:17to approach tinctures, something you
5:19guys might like to do instead.
5:22So just to bring you back here and
5:23remind you of the two major players that
5:26will inform you as to how you're going
5:28to approach the tincture gameplay,
5:30depending on whether you have this
5:32keystone active, this ascendancy active.
5:35Let's try to imagine the reverse
5:36scenario and what that would feel like.
5:39Actually, I don't need you to imagine it
5:41because I can simply pull up old footage
5:43of my own build say two leagues ago when
5:47I was farming Titanic Rogue Exiles
5:50ghosted triple wisp wildwooded doing
5:54some of the hardest content in the game
5:55on a very end game cold convert tornado
5:58shot, which hint hint is this build in
6:01the future. This is what it looked and
6:03felt like. You can see the tinctures
6:06down below. You can see how often
6:07they're activated. You can see that it's
6:10a different color debuff. It's now blue
6:12because it's it's now draining mana, but
6:14I'm also leeching mana like absolutely
6:16crazy since I'm playing tornado shot
6:18obviously much cleaner recovery on mana
6:21there. And what you'll notice is that
6:23the tinctures have a lot more down time.
6:25You'll see the cool down is going off
6:27more often. That's because this mana
6:29pool cannot support it no matter how
6:31much leech I have. It can't support
6:32something like 50 60 70 stacks every
6:35time I want to, right? Well, here's the
6:37thing. When that cool down bar is
6:39happening, those tinctures are still
6:40active for virtually 100% of time.
6:44And this makes for a little bit less
6:46bursty and way more consistent up time
6:50on the tincture effects as a whole.
6:53So, having just watched that footage,
6:54you might be thinking, you know, that
6:55that seemed pretty straightforward. A
6:57lot easier to manage, a lot simpler. Why
7:00wouldn't you just go for that approach
7:01instead? Well, there's a reason that I'm
7:04doing it the way I'm doing it this time
7:05around with the more ambitious approach,
7:08more bursty damage. There's actually
7:10three reasons why.
7:12One of them is for the damage purposes.
7:15Notice that if you use an ascendancy
7:16point here, you get zero damage for it,
7:19technically speaking, and you're going
7:21to lose another ascendancy somewhere
7:23else. The one I have to drop pretty much
7:25is Oath of Summer, which combined with
7:28Heatshiver
7:29is a ton of extra damage because that is
7:32double max scorch that I'd be giving up.
7:35Another reason is this very sneaky
7:38notable that I I might have been aware
7:40of it or I forgot about it or just never
7:42really thought about it because I never
7:43really thought about running tinctures
7:45this way, ramping up a very high mana
7:47burn or weeping wounds debuff. 40%
7:51increased effect
7:5310 stacks of mana burn or weeping wounds
7:55come kicks in almost immediately. 40%
7:58increased effect is a crazy number. In
8:00fact, unfortunately, this particular
8:03uh modifier is bugged in PoB so you
8:05can't see it. So, let me comment it out
8:07and you'll see I go from 23.3 million
8:10DPS down to 18 million DPS just for
8:13losing 40% increased effect of
8:16tinctures. I mean, that should inform
8:18you in in a certain sense of just how
8:19much scaling
8:21is happening here through tinctures in
8:23the first place.
8:24And lastly, this right here, Oath of
8:27Winter, my favorite ascendancy point in
8:29the entire game. I've gotten really
8:30comfortable last few leagues playing
8:32Warden with bows at various different
8:35gear thresholds and just utterly
8:38cheesing the content. Doing things that
8:41I would otherwise have no business doing
8:44on the type of character I'm on with the
8:46type of gear that I have. This is a true
8:49enabler. It completely erases the issue
8:53of fizz max hit and all that stuff.
8:55And if you want proof of that,
8:58well, just go look at the video I posted
9:00yesterday. It's a 4-minute video,
9:02gameplay of a tier 17 Legion boss, a
9:05bunch of trash stuff.
9:07Go count the number of times I actually
9:09took damage in that map
9:11and you're going to see the answer is
9:12four. I went back and did it myself. I
9:14looked through a magnifying glass, tried
9:15to find every single instance of taking
9:17damage.
9:18That's pretty impressive considering I
9:20have no form of dodge, no elusive, no
9:23spell dodge, about what? 50% evasion?
9:27That's not a very dodgy character,
9:29right? Now, with a bow build, I can kill
9:31things off screen, but
9:33in that type of content, I'm not killing
9:35everything off screen. There certainly
9:36could be many instances of taking damage
9:38and just ripping right then and there.
9:41But it doesn't happen or it happens very
9:42rarely. And so it just seems like a bit
9:44of a waste to orient the stats that I
9:49have available in defense when I can
9:51just put more and more and more into
9:54offense. And that's what I meant when I
9:56said no Fs were given.
9:58So, let's now take a look at the two
9:59potential remaining ways to set things
10:02up. If we were to remove blood-soaked
10:05blade, first of all that'd save a
10:06passive point, so that's nice. It might
10:09save more than one passive point too cuz
10:10it might mean you would path differently
10:12and not in this area.
10:14No blood-soaked blade allocated, no
10:16enduring suffusion allocated. So, that
10:19would be maximum power in terms of
10:21ascendancy point availability and
10:23passive point availability.
10:26But it would definitely cause some
10:27problems for most builds if you are
10:30reserving a vast majority of your mana.
10:32I can see a world where maybe if you
10:35removed an aura or a herald and had a a
10:37bigger mana pool, still with a ton of
10:39mana recovery, it could make sense. I
10:42have been surprised in the past how long
10:44I could make the mana burn stacks go up
10:46with like the tornado shot super in game
10:48seven attacks per second crazy amount of
10:51leech stuff. You you'd be surprised how
10:53long you can still hold that even with
10:54an insane amount of mana drain.
10:56Nevertheless, at league start with ice
10:59shot, not that many attacks and hits
11:01going out, not going to get enough
11:02recovery. I want to have all those
11:03heralds and auras, so not going to do it
11:06on my end.
11:07And lastly, we have a setup that you
11:09guys might really like. And this is sort
11:11of the secret setup that I I probably
11:14recommend a lot of you try, especially
11:16if you don't like the way I'm doing it.
11:18Blood-soaked blade active with enduring
11:21suffusion, and then you would drop
11:24oath of summer.
11:25What this is going to allow First of
11:27all, it gives you an extra 10% increased
11:28tincture effect, so not not a complete
11:30loss.
11:32This is going to give you that really
11:34high uptime that you had otherwise. 6.4
11:38second cool down on tinctures will now
11:42have up to 6 seconds of active time
11:45lingering. So, 0.4 second total
11:48downtime. That's thanks in large part to
11:50this notable right here.
11:52Moreover, you have the opportunity to
11:55take this here. So, you wouldn't even
11:57need to toggle the tincture off.
12:01Tinctures deactivate when you have 12 or
12:03more mana burn. That is the exact number
12:05that is needed to get maximal linger
12:07time. It does mean you will have to
12:09toggle them on more often, but I mean
12:13the amount of life drain that you would
12:15have to endure with 12 mana burn stacks
12:18or 12, I guess, weeping wound stacks is
12:20so small you barely even notice it.
12:23And if for some reason you were skittish
12:24about that, you could even take this one
12:26here. This is overkill to go all this
12:28stuff.
12:29Uh
12:29maybe perhaps you wouldn't go blood
12:32soaked blade and you would just do both
12:34of these. That's definitely a valid
12:35option. Although, there will be some
12:37situations where blowing through all
12:39your mana through mana forged arrows and
12:41things like that will result in it
12:43prematurely going off.
12:45But anyway, those are a few little
12:47tweaks that you could do and I think
12:49that's absolutely a valid way to play
12:52this build.
12:53So, there you go. That's four
12:56very different or slightly different
12:58ways to set up tinctures depending on
12:59how you look at it. And it will play
13:02differently, for sure. Like all four of
13:04those are going to play at least a
13:05little bit differently from one another.
13:08Before we go, I want to show you or just
13:10kind of remind you how insanely strong
13:13tinctures are by just examining what
13:15happens to the some of the numbers when
13:17we turn them off or allocate different
13:20thing. First of all, you saw my damage
13:21go down a fair bit when I
13:24lost Scorch. But actually, that didn't
13:26remove Scorch from the configuration.
13:28And so we'll see here this is the exact
13:30setup I'm using. Watch what happens when
13:32I go in and I uncheck tinctures.
13:3723.3 million down to 3.5 million DPS.
13:42That's why I said six times the damage
13:45when they're up.
13:47Of course that's with two ascendancy
13:49points devoted to it and 10 passive
13:52points devoted to it.
13:53But guys that's still effing insane.
13:56That amount of burst damage that you get
13:58just for having those up. That's with
14:01pretty standard straight up bossing
14:03config. And maybe that'll help you make
14:06sense of how a pinnacle boss was able to
14:08die in 10 seconds to an ice shot build
14:11which is normally has terrible bossing
14:13DPS.
14:15Now what about with the alternative
14:17setup where you no longer have Scorch?
14:18What does this actually look like? So we
14:20remove Scorch there. I have to actually
14:22go in and we'll take ignite because
14:24that's an extra element we'll have. We
14:26delete these and suddenly I went from
14:2923.3
14:31million down to 18 million. Definite
14:34loss but again that 18 million DPS is
14:37going to be up
14:38a lot more often than the 23.3.
14:42So again you even I'm kind of wrestling
14:44with it a little bit. I really like the
14:46idea of just just absolutely maximizing
14:49the amount of damage I can get
14:50especially at this gear threshold. It
14:51feels good. It feels very satisfying to
14:54just go in and delete a pinnacle boss or
14:56the tier 17 boss in one round of
14:59tinctures. There's a certain
15:00satisfaction in that for sure. But guys
15:03that's very impressive damage and you
15:04can kind of understand why especially at
15:07a crazy high gear threshold let's say
15:09you know super end game tornado shot
15:11you don't need that extra what 30% more
15:14DPS with a burst. You might as well just
15:16have it all consistently. So guys that's
15:18a video on tincture tech.
15:21Hopefully you'll walk away better
15:23informed regardless of how interested
15:25you were in this build
15:27any sort of build related to tinctures.
15:30Now you got a better sense of what it's
15:31like to actually play with it. Now you
15:32get a better sense of how much damage
15:34scaling you get or can get if you
15:37actually invest in that direction with
15:39this ascendancy and these passive points
15:42like this. If you are lukewarm on the
15:45idea of tinctures but really like the
15:47way the build looks and plays, you have
15:48a few different variations that might
15:50make better sense for you. You can
15:52tailor the setup to your liking. If you
15:54absolutely can't stand the idea of
15:56running tinctures, there's still
15:57versions of this build more or less that
15:59exist. Well, such as Elemental Hit the
16:01Spectrum with Avatar of the Wild which
16:04got buffed for some reason this time
16:06goes from 80 to 100% more damage. That's
16:08the full ailment package and that
16:11version of a warden build is fantastic
16:14even still.
16:15I'm actually going to do that in Atlas
16:18completion because that when your gear
16:20is completely trash, it's still really,
16:21really good. I won't be going tinctures
16:22until the actual early end game.
16:25At any rate, guys,
16:26let me know what you think about the
16:28build. Let me know what you think about
16:29this video. Let me know what you think
16:30about tinctures.
16:31And let me know if you are excited for
16:35the league. I haven't talked that much
16:37about my anticipation for the league. I
16:39still honestly haven't really soaked it
16:40all in.
16:41Been kind of neck deep in build related
16:44stuff, but it's nice got things done
16:46ahead of time and so we're going to have
16:47the luxury of having more videos come
16:49out that are build related. A long form
16:51video for the build guide will come out
16:53too talking about great many more things
16:55like leveling and
16:57yeah, deeper dive stuff. Gave you the
16:58build overview. Gave you a nice little
16:59tech video.
17:01And to that, we just have to wait for
17:02the next one. So, I'll see you guys in
17:04the next video.
17:21>> Woo!

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