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0:28Good evening ladies and gentlemen.
0:29Good evening everyone and welcome to the
0:31New City of Kingston Planning Board
0:33meeting.
0:34My name is Suzanne Cahill. I'm the
0:36Planning Director of the Board of the
0:37City of Kingston.
0:39Before we start the meeting, I just have
0:40a few quick announcements that I want to
0:42go over. If you do have a cell phone,
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1:28so that you're not interfering with
1:30other discussions that are going on.
1:32With that, I am going to turn it over to
1:36our standing chair, Matt Belles, for
1:38this evening to introduce the rest of
1:40the board members and staff that are
1:42present.
1:44>> Well, good evening folks. Thank you.
1:46So, tonight we have Planning Board
1:48member Kyra Raji,
1:50Vincent Archer,
1:52Andrew Harris,
1:54and then It's Cahill, Planning Director,
1:56Kyla
1:58and then older person cats in the back.
2:02So
2:05First item that the adoption of the
2:08September 22nd, 2026 Planning Board
2:11meetings that everyone's had a chance to
2:12review.
2:13Any additions, corrections?
2:17No.
2:18Motion to approve. Andrew Harris.
2:21All in favor.
2:23>> I'll second.
2:24>> I'll second.
2:25>> Thank you.
2:26>> All in favor.
2:28Okay, we are good.
2:30We are going to shuffle a couple agenda
2:33items around just for efficiency this
2:36evening.
2:37Um
2:38Get back to it.
2:40409 East Chester Street. If you guys
2:43could come up to the
2:49>> Yes, thank you.
3:01>> It's number 10.
3:03>> Yeah.
3:28>> Okay,
3:29item 10 tonight, number 409 East Chester
3:32Street. It's a major waiver request to
3:35increase the build two zone and decrease
3:38the rear yard setback. SBL
3:4148.75-9-10.100.
3:46Secret determination.
3:48That's
3:51>> It's
3:51>> Type-o.
3:53>> Trans-tech zone
3:55>> and ward 7, Winston and Tracy and Daly,
3:59applicant owners.
4:02If you guys just quick intro for the
4:04record.
4:05>> I'm Tracy Ann and this is the
4:07>> Winston, welcome.
4:09So, you guys are seeking a building
4:12permit to construction addition onto
4:13your home?
4:14>> Yes.
4:15>> Okay.
4:16Um
4:18So, we have referred this to the uh
4:20zoning enforcement. Uh two waivers were
4:22identified due to the location of the
4:24addition. Just want to give us a quick
4:26overview of what you're looking to do.
4:29>> So, the main thing that we wanted to do
4:31was to put in another playroom because
4:33of our parents
4:34and um we have a non-verbal
4:38uh you know, home. He have a non-verbal
4:412-year-old.
4:42Um autistic and he
4:45He needs sensory So, he's always moving,
4:48jumping.
4:49And the living room is about our current
4:52bedroom and there's no rest for us.
4:55>> Okay.
4:56>> So, the main thing was to put in
4:57additional um
4:59playroom. Also, my parents are living
5:01with us and the room they're now using
5:03is very small.
5:05And my mom-in-law has arthritis, so we
5:07wanted to do a
5:09bigger room also.
5:10And so, that's how we came up with the
5:13addition.
5:14And then we decided to put one room just
5:16in case if we have family visits. So,
5:19come visit.
5:20>> Is it Is it something attached?
5:21>> So, then essentially what they're doing
5:23is they're following the current
5:25building form because of the building
5:28lines versus having to bring it more
5:31like towards the street, which is a busy
5:33street, and keeping it in line and just
5:37extending to the side.
5:38>> Yes.
5:39>> They might put a door.
5:41>> We need
5:41>> We need We need to leave a little bit of
5:43openings.
5:45>> Okay.
5:46>> So, where
5:48So, the parents are living
5:50>> Yes, I have a question.
5:52>> So, for our waiver checklist, so board
5:56will go through these questions with a
5:57yes or no
5:59uh to help make our determination. So,
6:02the applicant has included a waiver
6:03request letter that clearly identifies
6:05and describes the waiver being proposed
6:08accompanied by plans and other visual
6:10representations as applicable.
6:13>> Yes.
6:16I [clears throat] ask
6:18Yes.
6:18>> Uh
6:19in their letter, the applicant describes
6:21in detail why the waiver is needed and
6:23how the waiver request is consistent
6:25with the intent, design, and
6:26compatibility of the transect zone in
6:29which the project is located.
6:32>> Yes.
6:32>> Yes.
6:37>> Will granting the waiver contribute to
6:39the realization of the overall intent of
6:41the transect zone helping an improved
6:43project which will be an attractive and
6:45durable contribution to the transect
6:47zone?
6:48>> Uh I forgot.
6:51>> Uh we have yes or no.
6:53>> Yes.
6:54>> Yes.
6:58>> Uh to support walkable neighborhoods and
7:01or mixed-use centers, the project
7:03emulates the neighborhood context
7:05for how far the building buildings
7:07relate to the sidewalk, how the facade
7:09is designated, and how the building
7:11interacts with the street.
7:15>> Yeah, yes. The shape was changed.
7:17>> Yes, get continuation.
7:21The project supports a green and
7:22resilient future, for example, by
7:24reducing vehicular miles traveled,
7:26providing green infrastructure and or
7:28street trees, and or including
7:30high-quality usable open space.
7:33>> Same applicable to that.
7:37>> Project supports incremental development
7:40patterns in its size and density that's
7:42the towards infill development or the
7:44reuse of existing buildings.
7:47>> Yeah. Yes. Yes, then.
7:50>> The project supports the provision of a
7:52variety of housing types to support a
7:54range of income levels, age groups, and
7:56family units.
7:57>> Yeah, I would like the opinion.
8:00>> The project specifies street design that
8:02is walkable, bikeable, and will
8:04reinforce safe, comfortable environments
8:07for all users.
8:08>> I did.
8:11Okay.
8:12>> So,
8:13>> I think it works, but
8:15>> We're good for the waiver.
8:16>> Yeah.
8:17>> Um so, it just both my eyes those type
8:19two.
8:20>> Okay, this is
8:22a type two in seeker, and then do we
8:25have to do a motion and
8:26>> Yeah, no objection to approve the
8:28waiver.
8:28>> Who would like to make the motion?
8:30Andrew, second? Kyra.
8:32All in favor?
8:34>> I.
8:34>> Opposed?
8:36Okay, passed.
8:38>> Thank you.
8:41You're all good.
8:42>> We can leave?
8:43>> Yeah.
8:55It's 95 Wilson Avenue, correct?
8:58All right, may I go first? Please come
8:59on up.
9:12Welcome.
9:13If we can just get your names for the
9:14record.
9:16>> Steve Sumida.
9:18>> Okay, welcome.
9:26So, item 11, 95 Wilson Avenue, major
9:30waiver request to install a larger curb
9:33cut than permitted. Uh, SBL 48.269-4-8.
9:39Secret determination. Uh, it's type two.
9:43>> Yes.
9:43>> Okay. Transit zone, T3N, ward six.
9:48Um, and um,
9:49So, pronunciation of your name?
9:51>> Kind of like the bird.
9:53>> Twee. And Steve Shoemaker, the applicant
9:56voters.
9:57Um,
9:58the applicant is for major waiver for
10:00section 405.16.e.3,
10:03which limits the maximum current cut to
10:0610 ft for a single-family home.
10:09Um,
10:10remove the existing driveway to add a
10:12pool and fenced-in yard. We're now
10:13looking to relocate the driveway to
10:15accommodate an off-street space for the
10:17vehicle. Um, guys, just give us a quick
10:20overview.
10:22>> Sure. Um,
10:23we started this process
10:25a little over a year ago.
10:27Um,
10:28we installed a pool, and we wanted to
10:30move the driveway 12 ft from the
10:32original
10:33area where it was.
10:34>> Okay.
10:36>> So, yeah, if you see it with the
10:37driveway, it was kind of was more over
10:39towards the pool.
10:41So, we wanted to move the driveway. It
10:43would be if you
10:45it's on the way towards Wilson about 12
10:47ft over over where it originally was.
10:51And and um, we're you know, we're asking
10:52for a reasonable accommodation cuz we
10:53have a adult son with autism.
10:56Um, we first initially applied for the
10:59permit.
11:01Um, they required us to get a survey,
11:02which we didn't do.
11:05But, it's very confusing because
11:08in the emails we've had with the build
11:10codes office,
11:13they said we didn't need a permit.
11:16And the DPW would have to give us five
11:18for a permit for them initially, which
11:21Mr. Coons came out.
11:23I would say it was probably in June of
11:25last year. He did a site survey.
11:28And he said there isn't any issues with
11:30the driveway now. And beyond it wasn't
11:32as large as the initial was, you know,
11:34with with where the driveway was to be
11:35moved and eventually probably because it
11:37was
11:38from the curb it was 15, possibly 15 ft
11:40in the curb, and this is the way it was
11:41set.
11:43Um
11:45so we're going to survey, going to get a
11:46survey done until the beginning of this
11:48year, and
11:50I am kind of dumbfounded why I hadn't
11:54even get a survey.
11:56Um it's contextual to the adjacent
11:58properties still have wide driveway.
12:02Some of them built them in recent years,
12:03so it's not grandfathered. Some of them
12:05been handed on to.
12:07We've consulted with some of the
12:08neighbors, never had to require a
12:09survey.
12:10But primarily, like I said, what we're
12:12doing the uh
12:14the alterations to our home is because
12:16of our our oldest son, who's 23, with
12:18severe autism.
12:20And uh we're currently parked on the
12:22street, and we haven't been able to do
12:24anything until we resolve this, and it's
12:26very unsafe.
12:28We you know, for him to go out on the
12:29street because sometimes he he's
12:31anxious.
12:32You know, getting in and out of the car,
12:34you know, sensory needs, sometimes he
12:36he you know, he has a little anxiety and
12:38everything, and we even actually had two
12:40letters thrown in our yard com- that's
12:42complaints over the last, let's say, 6
12:45months.
12:46You know, anonymous letters get kind of
12:48really
12:49you know, uh degrading us and stuff
12:50about us and our situation, about, you
12:52know, parking on the street with a child
12:54having a kid with a
12:55a child with a condition, you know,
12:57you're you're not a good parent. So, you
13:00know, uh we did consult with an
13:02attorney, and of course they felt like
13:05we would be better off applying for a
13:06reasonable accommodation and to see if
13:08we can get this resolved. We
13:11>> Basically, just so there's an under-
13:13Just so the board has a little bit of
13:15background, residential properties are
13:17allowed more than 10 ft wide per car.
13:20They're asking for a per car that's
13:22larger than typical would be for a
13:25normal residential use, but they did in
13:28their application also provide
13:30representative examples of other
13:32properties within close proximity that
13:35have the same type of double wide
13:37driveways. So,
13:38it's a pretty
13:40standard regular task.
13:52>> Would there be any issue with not
13:54approving this?
13:56>> Okay. So, do you need to just go through
13:57the checklist?
14:20>> The applicant has included a waiver
14:22request letter that clearly identifies
14:23and describes the waiver being proposed,
14:25accompanied by plans and other visual
14:27representations as applicable.
14:29>> Yes.
14:31>> Yes.
14:33Uh
14:33in their letter,
14:34the applicant describes in detail why
14:36the waiver is needed and how the waiver
14:38request is consistent with the intent,
14:40design, and compatibility of the
14:42transect zone in which the project is
14:44located.
14:45>> Yes.
14:45>> Yes.
14:47Uh will granting the waiver contribute
14:49to the realization of the overall intent
14:51of the transect zone and result in a
14:53improved project which will be an
14:55attractive and durable contribution to
14:57the transect zone.
14:59>> Yes.
15:02>> To support walkable neighborhoods and or
15:04mixed-use sectors, the project emulates
15:07the neighborhood context for how the
15:08building buildings relate to the
15:10sidewalk, how the facade is designed,
15:12and how the building interacts with the
15:14street.
15:15>> Yes.
15:16>> I'm going to go with that, but
15:18Vince, yes.
15:20Yes.
15:22Uh the project supports a green and
15:24resilient future
15:26uh by for example reducing vehicular
15:28miles traveled, providing green
15:30infrastructure, and or street trees, and
15:32or including high-quality usable open
15:35space.
15:37>> Not applicable to me.
15:38>> Yeah, in a day.
15:40Uh the project supports incremental
15:42development patterns in its size and
15:44density and supports an infill
15:46development or the reuse of existing
15:48buildings.
15:52>> In a day.
15:56>> Project supports the provision of a
15:57variety of housing types to support a
15:59range of income levels, age groups, and
16:02family units.
16:05Project specifies street design that is
16:07walkable, bikeable, and will reinforce
16:09safe and comfortable environments for
16:11all users.
16:13>> Yes, I'll complain.
16:15>> Yes.
16:16>> In a day.
16:18>> Uh
16:19Oops, sorry.
16:20>> You got one vote for this.
16:21>> So,
16:22you're not applicable to that?
16:24Or for the same
16:27looking at 50 cents in Seattle.
16:29>> I think it's in a
16:31>> You think it's not applicable?
16:32>> Yeah.
16:33>> Well, you're now
16:34The reason why you said it last is
16:36because it's
16:38The only person that's not
16:40>> [clears throat]
16:40>> able to
16:44be safe
16:45and use the environment comfortably is
16:47our son.
16:49So, this would include him.
16:52And therefore, it would be
16:55specific to the walkable
16:58area which is the
16:59curb cut on the sidewalk.
17:06>> So, you're going to have to take a vote
17:09of
17:09one on
17:11the total overall
17:13waiver.
17:17>> Okay. So, um
17:20I guess we're going to do a board vote
17:22and then approve the waiver?
17:24>> And then we got motion.
17:26>> Make a motion.
17:27Um to approve this waiver.
17:30>> Yep.
17:30>> Yes, second.
17:31>> Second.
17:32>> Okay.
17:33All right, I.
17:34>> I.
17:36>> Okay, opposed?
17:38>> That's okay.
17:39>> I vote yes.
17:40>> Okay.
17:40>> Okay.
17:40>> So, it's approved.
17:42>> Right.
17:55You good?
17:56>> Okay.
17:57>> All right, may I have a motion to
17:58adjourn?
18:00>> And then can we do the meeting on Zoom?
18:02>> Baby Paul.
18:08>> Uh item number two, 370 Albany Avenue,
18:13public hearing for administrative
18:14special permit renewal to operate a car
18:16wash.
18:18Is anyone here for 370?
18:21>> Which is 370?
18:22>> They need to be here to speak.
18:23>> Oh, to speak on 370 Albany Ave.
18:29>> I'm ready to close the public hearing to
18:31you.
18:32>> You make a motion to close?
18:34>> Yep.
18:34>> All right, motion to close the public
18:36hearing at 370.
18:38And you second.
18:39I motion then second.
18:53>> Second and you can get out.
18:54>> All righty, let's
19:05All right, 713 Gerald Street,
19:08subdivision of lands of Travis Myers,
19:10SBL 56.357-14-2.
19:16seeking a determination type two trans x
19:18zone T4N ward seven.
19:23Travis Myers applicant's owner.
19:26Is anyone here for 713 Gerald Street?
19:35>> And that piece of land so
19:38basically what this one is and if you
19:41recall
19:43about a year or so ago we reviewed a
19:46application to combine two parcels into
19:48one. He had a proposal to develop a four
19:52unit row house type of structure.
19:56Financially that has economically become
19:59unfeasible for him. So he is now
20:03reverting back wanting to separate the
20:05parcels again. He's going to sell one
20:07off and retain the other.
20:10Pretty straight forward here. We'll need
20:11some
20:15>> Any questions from the board?
20:18>> Yes,
20:19this is unlisted.
20:23>> Right. So it's good
20:26make a motion to
20:28>> I make a motion to place it on
20:30action.
20:30>> So this is an unlisted action.
20:33>> I make a motion
20:34>> What else?
20:34>> I make a motion to approve the
20:36>> It's already.
20:48This looks to be in order.
20:50I'll make a motion to accept the short
20:53environmental assessment form.
20:55Vince Andrews seconds.
20:58All approved.
21:00Opposed.
21:04>> I make a motion to sign the best.
21:06>> No, they are often made
21:26>> You saw any Are there any questions on
21:28this?
21:29I'm not Well, I would need What's that?
21:32So, we will need five paper copies, one
21:36minor.
21:38You don't need time to read the other
21:39instructions.
21:41The board um
21:45They can be signed and we will need
21:49uh
21:50the owner's signature
21:53before the chairman and sign off on it.
21:57Found last.
22:00And for policy six.
22:02>> Okay.
22:02>> Those are the additions.
22:07>> Yeah.
22:10>> That was my question.
22:12>> Right.
22:12>> Um motion to approve this?
22:15Andrew, second.
22:18Karin.
22:20All in favor?
22:21Opposed?
22:23>> All right.
22:23>> It's passed.
22:25>> Thanks.
22:28Chairman.
22:28>> All right. And we have Fagus, 79 German
22:31Street.
22:34Um so, good evening. We're going to hang
22:37on one sec. So, this is a subdivision of
22:39lands of
22:41uh
22:42three FFRE LLC and a major waiver for
22:46rear yard setback.
22:48SBL 56.42-14-21.
22:52Uh secret determination type two.
22:56It's correct zone. Transaxle.
22:58>> Oh, I'm listed. Sorry.
22:59>> I'm listed.
23:00>> Transaxle, T4N, uh Ward 8, Michael Betar
23:04applicants,
23:05uh 3 F F R E is the owner.
23:09>> Welcome.
23:10>> Thank you.
23:10>> And just quick name for the record?
23:12>> Mike Betar, surveyor.
23:14Uh I'm representing the Frescos and 3 F
23:16F R E LLC.
23:18Uh we have two homes situated on one lot
23:22on the corner of German and Ridge. Um
23:26pictures of the homes here. I know you
23:27guys have them in the application, but
23:29obviously we have fronting on German
23:33and then we have the brick home fronting
23:34on Ridge. I tried to get some decent
23:36pictures here to show the spacing and so
23:38on, but they are in the application. Um
23:42so we're trying to separate the two
23:44houses into separate deeded lots. Uh we
23:47come into a few things that um not only
23:49the planning department, but the
23:51building department um is interested in
23:53including the spacing between the
23:55structures
23:56uh being a building department related
23:58item, the offset to the rear of the
24:00building being a waiver related
24:04mathematical item. Uh but we are with in
24:07terms of our lot coverage, we are um you
24:09know, we're good to go. We don't we
24:11don't we're not even close to the lot
24:14coverage um
24:15percentages. Um we've designed the new
24:19line to meet all of the 5-ft spread as
24:22required by the building department. Uh
24:25we've created an easement to bring
24:28utilities into the brick rear structure.
24:32Uh
24:32we are seeking the variance aka waiver
24:36for the rear um
24:40yard setback and otherwise
24:44um we are you know, looking to get some
24:46type of
24:47uh two separate deeded homes uh each
24:51having different frontage. Brick home
24:53fronting on Ridge Street with the front
24:54facing Ridge Street, German obviously
24:56facing German Street. Uh so they already
24:59have a a view of being separated. We're
25:02just trying to officially separate them.
25:05Um and that's basically the
25:09just of the story.
25:13>> Um just want to talk about the easement
25:15that is going to be required as well.
25:17Mike
25:18>> For the the utility easement, yes. So in
25:21order for us to get the 5-ft spread,
25:24uh we have to have an easement for the
25:26gas to
25:28um connect to the brick structure. We're
25:31obviously close in this area here. Um
25:34and there is a picture of that area um
25:36well defined in the application uh
25:39looking down between the structures. Um
25:44small easement um
25:47you know uh
25:48L6 is on here is uh you know they're
25:51small distances. L4 being 21 ft. So it's
25:55roughly 20 by 5-ft on one end. So it's
25:59maybe 100 sq ft.
26:02125 sq ft max.
26:12Questions from the board?
26:15>> Is there a new utility pole or is this
26:17>> No, that's an under line that's an
26:19underground gas line that's probably
26:21from the you know the '80s '70s '80s
26:24when the gas went in.
26:27>> No, I was talking about the utility
26:28pole.
26:29>> Oh, the utility pole?
26:30>> Yeah.
26:31>> Um no, that's been there. That's how
26:32they've always got electric and that
26:34actually really doesn't come into play.
26:36Luckily for us the the overhead
26:38utilities are already well split. The
26:40only item that we have is the
26:43underground gas that requires an
26:45easement through lot two to attach to
26:47lot one.
27:02>> Oops.
27:04What is the distance?
27:06>> Relatively straight forward.
27:09>> Okay.
27:10And then you need to do the waiver
27:12setback or the computer setback
27:16to say you understand it's a tight fit
27:18with the fire
27:19your setback is still okay and maybe
27:22they got blocked in line in the building
27:24entrance on German Street
27:28and it's a setback of only 5 ft versus
27:3110.
27:32>> Also, one thing to speak on on the
27:35waiver is in terms of contextual for
27:39that neighborhood 10 ft would be less
27:42contextual than what we're asking for
27:45based upon the fact that the Delaware
27:46Hudson Canal lots are obviously very
27:48congested. You know, the houses or some
27:50of them are
27:52in this neighborhood there are many
27:53structures which are party wall lines.
27:55So there's no setbacks whatsoever. So in
27:58terms of the overall look and context,
28:02this fits
28:03with the overall look of the
28:05neighborhood. There's nothing out lying
28:07here that's saying, "Oh my God, there's
28:08only a short amount." Everything is a
28:10short amount in that neighborhood
28:11specifically those few streets in that
28:13block. You have some tight buildings in
28:16there.
28:17That's probably how they got built
28:19together on one lot in the first place.
28:23>> So if that one of the houses faces here
28:27and one of them is
28:28facing here. Look, the setback line is
28:31the correct or the setback is similar in
28:35here and it's
28:37and then in the middle of it the fire
28:38department would have Yeah, they would
28:39have to make
28:40comply with the safety I'm not a
28:42problem. That's all.
28:43>> [clears throat]
28:44>> So just to give you a better idea of
28:46also like here, I know you're talking
28:48about the furniture. So, here's the
28:49picture of the house fronting on
28:51Germany. So, we have this white frame
28:53structure. Here is the house fronting on
28:55Ridge, the brick structure. And then
28:57this is the spacing between. So, we have
29:00a 5-ft spread coming down through here
29:02to get these two. So, there's still
29:04walkable area on both sides of the
29:05boundary line. And that easement that I
29:07show is right here going in the gas line
29:10cuz you can see the gas meter on the
29:11house right there.
29:13And then this is actually our
29:14neighboring house right here. So, again,
29:17the lots are tight in this area.
29:20Uh but that is neither here nor there.
29:22>> Would that be anything to do with it
29:23being a double ending?
29:24>> No, no. It's just It's a separately
29:27separated property on the end of the
29:28block.
29:30>> Okay.
29:31>> But it's just a potential thing.
29:33I mean, they're all in there even using
29:35the black system.
29:37But they're not separate.
29:39>> Mhm.
29:39>> They're not separate lots either.
29:42>> All right.
29:43The applicant has included a waiver
29:45request that clearly identifies and
29:47describes the waiver being proposed,
29:49accompanied by plans and other visual
29:51representations as applicable.
29:54>> Yes.
29:56>> In their letter, the applicant describes
29:58in detail why the waiver is needed and
30:00how the waiver request is consistent
30:02with the intent, design, and
30:03compatibility of the transect zone in
30:05which the project is located.
30:07>> Yes.
30:08>> Yes.
30:10>> Will granting the waiver contribute to
30:12the realization of the overall intent of
30:14the transect zone and result in an
30:16improved project which will be an
30:18attractive and durable contribution to
30:20the transect zone?
30:23>> So.
30:24>> Okay.
30:28>> To support walkable neighborhoods and or
30:30mixed-use centers, the project emulates
30:32the neighborhood context for how far the
30:34building
30:35buildings relate to the sidewalk, how
30:37the facade is designed, and how the
30:39building interacts with the street.
30:43>> And I agree.
30:45This is our assistant.
30:47Project supports a green and resilient
30:49future by, for example, reducing
30:52vehicular miles traveled, providing
30:54green infrastructure and or street
30:55trees, and or including high-quality
30:58usable open space.
31:03Project supports implementation of
31:04development patterns that enhance
31:06density and supports infill development
31:08or the reuse of existing buildings.
31:13Project supports the provision of a
31:15variety of housing types to support a
31:17range of income levels, age groups, and
31:19family units.
31:24Project specifies street design that is
31:26walkable, bikeable, and will reinforce
31:29safe and comfort comfortable
31:31environments for all users.
31:36Okay, so
31:38approved.
31:42>> I will then point out one thing. I don't
31:44have a policy six on this map. Uh just
31:47as it's been going back and forth
31:48between the building and planning
31:49department. We'll add that as we get it
31:51more board.
31:55>> We have those conditions with G. Uh What
31:57are we supposed to do on this thing?
32:04>> This looks to be complete.
32:09>> [clears throat]
32:13>> We have a motion to accept the short
32:16environmental assessment form.
32:18>> Make a motion to accept.
32:20>> All right, second Spence.
32:23All in favor?
32:25Opposed?
32:41>> And and
32:43so the motion would be for
32:46approval of the one or subdivision with
32:50road policy six including the major
32:53waiver putting their setback
32:55submission of five paper and one minor
32:58copies
32:59given descriptions for filing including
33:02the easements with the end of the
33:04restrictions and all signed by the owner
33:07before the chairman's signature.
33:10>> Motion?
33:13>> Thanks.
33:13>> Second.
33:14>> Andrew?
33:15>> Andrew.
33:18>> All approved.
33:20Opposed?
33:22>> Approved.
33:22>> Good.
33:23>> So thank you and Sue, if you want to you
33:26know in a when you have time in an email
33:27or whatever um
33:29lead me to where you want me to go next.
33:31I know we talked about the building
33:32department having to approve them of the
33:35subdivision after the subdivision
33:36approved. So
33:38if it's dropping these off or an email
33:40copy or whatever to get these things
33:42moving forward, please advise.
33:45Thank you everybody.
33:46>> Thank you.
33:47>> Have a good night.
33:47>> You too.
33:52>> Hello Randy.
33:54So
33:55>> Hello Randy.
33:55>> Yep.
33:56So item five 298 to 300 302 to 318 392
34:02306 Old Boulevard 262 Boulevard 43 to 75
34:07Halbert Street extension
34:09308 to 318
34:12Old Boulevard 45 to 49 Handy Street lot
34:16line revision to combine seven lots into
34:19three
34:20SBL 56.48-2-7.100
34:25and 7.200
34:288 9 10.100
34:3211 and 12 secret determination.
34:36Type two Ransack Zone T3 and
34:41019
34:43P&D Group LLC is the applicant owner. So
34:47welcome.
34:49Call Arias from Banarian Arias. Our firm
34:52representing the applicant Jeff
34:55of the P&D Group.
34:57Our firm did the survey and subdivision
35:00work.
35:01>> They're studying it up.
35:03>> Do I have
35:04I don't know if [clears throat] I can
35:05get one of these.
35:07>> They have them in their notes.
35:27They do have a copy of anything else
35:29that you want to do. Sorry, it's just
35:30taking you
35:32>> The owner applicant
35:34owns a total of eight lots here,
35:37adjacent lots. One of them,
35:39this one here that fronts 32, will
35:42remain the same. The other seven lots
35:45will be essentially consolidated into
35:48three lots for a total of four total
35:51lots
35:53essentially to accommodate
35:56potential future development
35:59of these four lots.
36:01I believe we're seeking two major
36:03waivers
36:05for exceeding the maximum lot width and
36:08lot depth.
36:10These
36:11dimensions were already
36:14exceeding the lot width and depth
36:17in their current state, but as a result
36:20of creating new lots under the new
36:22zoning,
36:23the waiver is required.
36:30>> So, they existed
36:32outside and they spelled out what is
36:34unique current gains on each lot.
36:37>> Correct. Well, there's multiple lots to
36:39what they're doing is kind of
36:42shifting property line and consolidating
36:45seven to three, right?
36:48Um the if you're familiar with the
36:51location where the electric is located,
36:56um the business will stay primarily
36:58they're consolidating those upper lots
37:01on the top portion.
37:03>> We'd be deleting lot lines here.
37:06>> And then
37:06>> And then
37:07>> And down below they're shifting that
37:09over to create two new lots that will be
37:14primarily, I guess, developed as
37:16residential new residential housing
37:18parcels.
37:24So, the access off of both Albert and
37:27Condi Street.
37:33>> So, the the the waiver ask is based on
37:38>> The
37:39the current lots do exceed that width
37:42and depth.
37:43Um so, it's not really um
37:45it's it's not like the subdivision
37:48made these lots much larger.
37:51>> So, the the plan base code has
37:54maximum
37:56depth and maximum widths.
37:58>> Right.
37:59>> So, just by shifting a line, we meet two
38:02of those dimensional
38:05requirements. So, they do need
38:07the waivers in order to exceed those
38:10dimensional requirements on the lower
38:12portion.
38:13>> But, it's just written in relation to
38:15the actual property. It's not because of
38:17the structure.
38:17>> Correct. Yeah, there's no structures
38:20where they are they're to be new
38:21buildings, new houses.
38:23>> So, if you had an an existing
38:27line
38:28that
38:30now falls under
38:32not being compliant under the form-based
38:34code now,
38:36what would be the issue in making it
38:38compliant with the current form-based
38:40code?
38:43I feel like I need
38:45>> multiple small
38:47>> I think cuz they're combining parcels.
38:50>> They're adding They're adding properties
38:53together. They're creating larger two
38:56larger parcels on the lower section and
38:59one parcel on the upper section. So, by
39:02combining all of the properties
39:04together, the lower the lower parcels
39:06exceed the dimensions.
39:09>> They're
39:09>> Cuz it's 100 ft wide.
39:11>> It's the It's the sort of nature of the
39:13the property.
39:15>> They're getting larger. Yeah.
39:18They're larger.
39:19>> Yeah.
39:21>> And then the depth is 180 ft. This goes
39:24past those.
39:25Because of taking multiple small
39:28combined into
39:29fewer larger lots.
39:31>> Okay.
39:37>> Any questions?
39:39>> Thanks. Thank you.
39:41>> But the checklist
39:43>> Yes, we should have one.
39:45We have one.
39:47>> Okay.
39:50>> They have one.
39:52>> What Yeah, we created one for both
39:54because they're both dimensional.
39:56>> That's right.
39:57All right.
39:59Uh the applicant has included a waiver
40:01request that clearly identifies and
40:03describes the waiver being proposed,
40:05accompanied by plans and other visual
40:07representations as applicable.
40:09>> Yes. Yeah.
40:11>> In their letter, the applicant describes
40:13in detail why the waiver is needed and
40:15how the waiver request is consistent
40:17with the intent, design, and
40:18compatibility of the transect zone in
40:20which the project is located. Yes.
40:26Granting the waiver
40:28Will granting the waiver contribute to
40:29the realization of the overall intent of
40:31the transect zone and result in improved
40:34project, which will be an attractive and
40:35durable contribution to the transect
40:38zone.
40:39Yes.
40:42To support walkable neighborhoods and or
40:44mixed-use centers, the project emulates
40:47the neighborhood context for how far the
40:48building buildings relate to the
40:51sidewalk, how the facade is designed,
40:53and how the building interacts with the
40:54street.
40:55Yes, it can.
40:58Project supports green and resilient
40:59future by, for example, reducing vehicle
41:02miles traveled, providing green
41:04infrastructure and or street trees, and
41:06or including high-quality usable open
41:08space.
41:11Yes,
41:12it can.
41:13Project supports incremental development
41:16in its size and density and supports
41:18infill development or the reuse of
41:20existing buildings.
41:23Yes, it can. Yes.
41:26Your choices
41:27So, this
41:31Use the existing building as one
41:32building on the They just rolled right
41:34out. Is that Yes. Uh yes.
41:38Supports infill development or reuse of
41:41existing Yes.
41:43Yes, it can.
41:45Project supports the provision of a
41:47variety of housing types to support a
41:49range of income levels, age groups, and
41:51family units. Yes,
41:54it can.
41:55Project specifies street design that is
41:57walkable, bikeable, and will reinforce
41:59safe and comfortable environments for
42:01all users.
42:03Yes, it can.
42:05Good.
42:07So, that's approved. So, now Motion to
42:10accept. Mhm. All right. Motion Andrew
42:15who would like to second
42:20all in favor
42:22opposed
42:25this passed.
42:42Almost there.
42:53I think it's five right now.
42:59>> Ordinance
43:016
43:02>> Motion
43:03>> And waivers approved
43:06will gradually buy paper copies one
43:09mylar
43:10written scriptures will need to be
43:12submitted with the result parcels and
43:15the event by the national meeting to be
43:17signed by the owner or the chairman and
43:20then provided with the Ulster County
43:21Planning Board with all the details.
43:23>> I have them one mylar.
43:24>> Five paper one mylar.
43:26>> All right, thank you.
43:29>> That's the second motion.
43:31>> Okay, so a motion from Kai second Andrew
43:37all in favor
43:39opposed.
43:41Passed.
44:08>> I have a question.
44:11>> 40 Thomas Street.
44:15>> 40 Thomas Street.
44:24>> What's that?
44:26Up next,
44:27item six, 40 Thomas Street, public
44:30hearing for administrative special
44:32permit renewal to operate an emergency
44:35shelter. SBL 56.25-4-44. Secret
44:37determination,
44:41this one too.
44:42>> Type two.
44:43>> Type two. Transect zone T5F, ward five,
44:47Family of Woodstock, applicant owner.
44:51So, any
44:52>> This is basically style of a caring
44:54neighborhood building.
44:56So,
44:57no one is
44:58>> Anyone have
44:59>> Speak.
45:02Close the hearing, we're done.
45:04>> Hearing is now closed.
45:07>> Okay.
45:09Good.
45:10>> Okay.
45:10>> All set.
45:11>> All right, item number seven, 25 Fields
45:14Court.
45:16Site plan and waivers to construct a
45:17mixed mixed-use building with commercial
45:20on the ground floor and residential
45:23above.
45:24SBL 56.25-3-25.
45:28Secret determination, this one too.
45:31Secret determination.
45:32>> This this will be a type two.
45:35>> Okay.
45:35>> But this is a type two.
45:36>> This will be a type two secret
45:37determination.
45:39Transect zone T5F, ward four, Keith
45:42Leibold, applicant, City of Easton,
45:45owner.
45:46So, we'll vote.
45:48>> It's public hearing, so is anybody from
45:51the public that wants to speak on this?
46:02>> Might be a something like that.
46:04>> Um
46:05>> [laughter]
46:06>> Sarah Vasky.
46:07>> Okay. We could introductions for the
46:10record, please.
46:11>> Sure. Good evening, ladies. Michael
46:12McGarvey, I'm the project engineer for
46:13this application for the board. I have
46:15here with me Mr. Keith Wagner from the
46:17school development team.
46:19>> Okay.
46:20>> I
46:21see Denise is online. Is she going to
46:25>> She has a few town
46:26>> She She's
46:27>> I'm here and I'm happy to share screen.
46:30>> But there's a lot of things
46:32>> too. I'm not sure what people whatever
46:33one prefers.
46:39>> Welcome, folks. Would you like to just
46:41walk us through?
46:42>> Sure. I brought hard copies. Let's see
46:44if I can bring the site plan up on the
46:46screen.
46:47Standish on Raven Street site plan.
47:03>> Can everyone see the screen?
47:05>> Yep.
47:06>> Yes.
47:06>> Great.
47:08>> Okay. So, as you noted earlier, the site
47:11location is 25 Field Court. It's at the
47:13end of Field Court on this side and near
47:17the intersection of O'Neal Street and
47:18Midtown Linear Park at that location.
47:21The existing site actually consists of
47:23an abandoned commercial building.
47:26The entire site's paved or impervious
47:30previous eligibility.
47:31We're in the T5 flex zone for this
47:35particular project and we're proposing
47:3771 units and five stories. It's got an
47:40attic and a partial basement. We are
47:42seeking waivers
47:44as a part of this project 3405
47:4716 E3 405 16 at 405 16 J, respectively.
47:54We're also proposing
47:5635 parking spaces. Standish, you can on
47:59the safe line pretty much.
48:01Um we're proposing 35 parking spaces
48:04and we've designed storm water detention
48:06areas in this portion of the lot and
48:08under the parking space over here in
48:11that portion of the lot. Um so, outside
48:14of those waivers that we're requesting,
48:15it appears that the project's fully zone
48:17compliant I believe.
48:19Um
48:20We prepared landscaping plan, lighting
48:22plan
48:23Well, it's already he doesn't go along
48:25with it.
48:27That's basically the project in a
48:29nutshell.
48:30Okay.
48:31I think our plan was to get feedback
48:33from this meeting and then incorporate
48:35the comments from the last meeting and
48:36this meeting and have those measured
48:38fairly quickly. We've
48:40addressed most of what percent this
48:41already I think all of that or
48:44>> So, you got
48:44>> Listen to me.
48:45>> You've gotten your staff comments back
48:47and obviously we just received the this
48:50is kind of town board comments.
48:53You've seen those.
48:55Um
48:56they've been posted online as well. So,
49:00um have you had a chance to take a look
49:02at them and give consideration or any
49:05thoughts on I know one of them was
49:08pedestrian access egress and Guild Ford
49:12and Sue and Neil Street. Another one was
49:15to um and I don't know if you got this
49:18coming up to you know what you got this
49:19as well they came in Friday. But another
49:22one was to provide for some additional
49:25uh visual um
49:28concept
49:30drawings to show in the evening and
49:33daytime and shadowing um impacts that
49:36could potentially lead to the um green
49:39line along the
49:41halfway there.
49:43Have you looked at that?
49:44>> What I'm what we kind of said in that
49:46was we were confused by that one because
49:48we gave
49:49you the visuals of all four sides of the
49:51building and you can get a visual of
49:52some flash
49:54through the sunset. It will
49:56Yeah, and it will cast a shadow at
49:58certain times of the day, and you see
50:01it's right up against the
50:02>> I think one of the things that the board
50:05is going to be interested in seeing are
50:09a little bit more of the architectural
50:11detail in into the visual simulations as
50:16well as the nighttime renderings. Um
50:19some of the the renderings that were
50:21provided you know, leave a lot of
50:23question about window treatments and and
50:27materials
50:28um
50:29and that. So, I think a little bit more
50:31detail on those would be um helpful in a
50:35final evaluation. Interesting. What it's
50:38going to look like from different
50:39vantage points, not only from the real
50:42line but from the adjoining streetscape,
50:45um would be good.
50:47>> The work that was provided you know, it
50:49doesn't really render the the building
50:51details well when you
50:53reduce the scale so much. But I tried to
50:55blow it up and maybe if I showed you a
50:57section
50:58of each you kind of get a feel for the
51:00architectural
51:01>> Yeah, see like the cources, the sills,
51:04the lintels, the building material of
51:07the facade. That just goes little
51:09details.
51:10>> No, I understand that we're we're just
51:12talking about that today but you know,
51:13you can't you just can't see it at that
51:15scale. But the first floor is going to
51:17be brick and then the upper floors will
51:19be various types of concrete siding.
51:23>> Then even the coloring if there's
51:24variations throughout that and it's
51:26two-tone, three-tone, or whatnot.
51:28>> Yeah.
51:29>> I think a night a nightscape or night
51:31scene.
51:31>> You want a nightscape as well?
51:33We did one There's one rendering of we
51:36did it sunset
51:39of the main next to the sales office.
51:41Hey Stan, do we have that one rendering
51:43that shows the building at sunset at the
51:45entrance?
51:46>> Yeah, we actually have [snorts] we did
51:49uh daytime and nighttime views for each
51:52view.
51:54>> Yeah, I think the problem is that that
51:56scale we can't see they can't see the
51:58details of them.
51:59>> Yeah, so in the lights in that in that
52:01rendering there like the the windows
52:03just like look
52:05black.
52:06>> Yeah.
52:06>> No, I understand.
52:08>> Yeah.
52:10>> Yep.
52:15Yeah, and the color changes are subtle.
52:17It doesn't it doesn't render well on
52:19this.
52:20Um
52:20Can you go up one standish?
52:23We didn't do virtual renderings of
52:24different color patterns, but there is a
52:27few different
52:29>> So we also think putting putting the
52:32project into the context of
52:35the neighborhood and the adjoining
52:37buildings rather than
52:39having it as a standalone we type of
52:42>> Yeah.
52:43Okay.
52:44>> Visual [snorts]
52:45with the helpful.
52:52>> Well, did you have Yeah, I wanted to
52:54hear that tonight. That's going to be a
52:56very specific I mean the same is
52:58going to be applied to that.
53:00The last thing
53:07>> I think the light from the building is
53:08actually going to help that part of
53:11Broadway because on Broadway is so
53:13bright but then just right back back
53:15actually I mean it's very dark. So
53:21being it from that perspective too is
53:23only going to show and demonstrate what
53:25kind of difference areas with all that
53:27additional light.
53:36>> Can you go back to the same one
53:37standish?
53:38>> Actually that's interesting.
53:40>> I think
53:41>> I mean I don't know what she said she
53:42was like
53:49>> Yeah,
53:50during construction, what's the plan for
53:53staging materials?
53:55How do you anticipate that will
53:59>> Sure, we're going to utilize the
54:01parking area to stage materials, and
54:03then once the building's up, we'll then
54:06focus on building the parking area out.
54:08The construction work will also be
54:10mostly parking in the municipal lot.
54:13>> You also have this open area back here,
54:15which before the structure goes up can
54:17store materials as well.
54:22>> Security, what do you have planned for
54:24that?
54:25>> Um we have to fence the site in, and we
54:27have to We'll have some cameras up,
54:29which are There's five of them.
54:33We got mobile cameras set up twice, so
54:35we're going to have more cameras.
54:37>> Okay.
54:37>> But we will have a We're going to do a
54:39So the plan unless requested still don't
54:42have the plan that shows staging.
54:44>> I mean, it's kind of easy on this site
54:46because it's already cleared.
54:48So you know, we we kind of have a
54:51nice surface to lay
54:52>> Yeah, but you know, I'm sorry cuz you
54:53don't
54:54>> just use the parking area to lay down
54:57yard for the building, and then as the
54:58building goes up,
55:00um
55:01you'll switch over and do the site work
55:02when they finish the inside of the
55:04building.
55:05>> So with most of your activity going on
55:07to build board,
55:09with construction, unless presuming most
55:13of your materials and and the
55:15construction activity will get in and
55:16out of build board, how are you thinking
55:20of any traffic control
55:23at Broadway because that's
55:25that's a tough
55:27exit out there.
55:29>> So for traffic signal.
55:30>> Normal traffic. I mean, like you're
55:32going to have larger vehicles and
55:34construction vehicles going in and out.
55:37Do you have any thoughts about that?
55:40>> We'll work that out. We plan no more
55:42than two deliveries a day. So, I don't I
55:45don't think it's going to be a huge
55:46impact. You can
55:48Once the foundation's in place,
55:51the the one-way lane going through
55:54O'Neil will be open. So, we'll have
55:56during construction that can be that can
55:58go in either direction. So, we'll have
56:00the ability to come in and out of
56:02O'Neil.
56:05If you know, if there is
56:07if there is an occasional long-body
56:09truck that has to get in there, it's
56:10probably going to want to come on that
56:12O'Neil side. We'll have to shuttle
56:14things like
56:15>> Okay.
56:16>> which trucks would would come in on that
56:17side of the building. We'll have
56:20>> And then we had talked to you about the
56:22parking supply and demand reduction
56:25strategy. How are things on that?
56:27>> We
56:28We did with one way in and out.
56:30>> Okay.
56:31>> One way in is not existing study still
56:33in town.
56:33>> Okay.
56:35>> That side of the solutions.
56:39>> The existing community events that
56:41happen on Bill Court, including the
56:43pickleball,
56:44is that going to need something that's
56:45going to have to come to a halt for 2
56:47years while this is being developed? So,
56:49are we putting those pending those
56:51programs
56:52>> I don't know. I don't
56:54>> I know that the heart of
56:55>> It's going to be going on the first time
56:56because
56:57>> part of the in-town happens on Bill
56:59Court.
57:00And then also the pickleball's becoming
57:02more popular.
57:03>> Yeah.
57:05Yeah, we did want to talk about I think
57:07that third entrance tonight on the rear
57:09of the field court. And
57:12we were wanting to have that community
57:14garden entrance, but a safety entrance
57:17for snow removal in the winter if you
57:19have to plow snow off the site because
57:21there isn't a lot of snow load here.
57:23And
57:25in in case we get a
57:27an accident or something that prevents
57:30But then with access onto O'Neil, you
57:32had a that would certainly go straight
57:33through and out of the site. You want
57:36You wanted to give that but stone it.
57:39We thought I I thought we had discussed
57:41that earlier on as soon as that was
57:42something important was
57:44open to considering whether or not to
57:45have it removed, but
57:48um it's a it's important from a
57:50pedestrian access standpoint.
57:51>> But I think
57:52>> Yeah.
57:52>> along with otherwise we literally have
57:54one-way traffic through the site. So
57:56when they only have access there,
57:58it's the same as I mean it would be the
57:59best if you could put some type of a uh
58:02you know, a gate with a bar that raises
58:04um so that if we need to have um
58:06residents from O'Neal exit the site, and
58:08then we would be allowed
58:09out of O'Neal and get out the field
58:11court as well. And then also, as Keith
58:12noted,
58:13it assists us in snow removal and so
58:20As far as the parking lot statement, um
58:23would the board like to see any like a
58:27stone wall
58:29along the court face or court face along
58:30the green sections? So
58:33we could do a stone wall that maybe we
58:35could build up like a 30-in wall with
58:37stone face and make half of it be going
58:39to be stable as sitting bench as well as
58:42a
58:42>> I was saying in in in terms of combining
58:45that with the activities that generally
58:47take place there where the general
58:49public, it might be nice to maybe
58:51incorporate a
58:52you know, a combination of seating
58:54element with your landscaping
58:58uh requirement to
59:00you know,
59:00>> What sort of what would you see along
59:03here? Cuz we we were thinking about
59:04doing
59:06like where these green spaces are
59:08uh here, here, and here
59:12doing a like a poured concrete wall with
59:14stone veneer half and it would be like a
59:17sitting bench.
59:18>> So it would be it would be great if you
59:19>> kind of acts as a a visual break and
59:22that it meets the
59:24desire of the code,
59:26but it's also very functional. People
59:27would there that can actually just sit
59:29on it, especially for pickleball.
59:32>> Yeah.
59:34>> You could also have like a a trash
59:35receptacle cuz if people are there
59:37playing, they'll ultimately have
59:39something to throw away. It's not a
59:41handy way for you to just have a meeting
59:43Skype when you're going to have a
59:44meeting.
59:45>> And were um some comments
59:48>> Do they need to put that waiver?
59:51>> Yeah.
59:51>> Okay.
59:51>> Yeah.
59:52>> Yeah. Yeah.
59:53>> So, there were some comments received
59:55from the CAC
59:56>> as well.
59:57>> that.
59:57>> You saw those as well. So, we're going
59:59to need to have them address those
1:00:01>> Yeah.
1:00:02>> um in your final response for for the
1:00:04November meeting.
1:00:05>> Okay.
1:00:06>> Um I
1:00:07>> What one of the other waivers found was
1:00:08the
1:00:09the setback from the parking from the
1:00:10property line?
1:00:112 ft versus 5 ft.
1:00:13Um that is a waiver we'd be seeking
1:00:15because I think it allows us an extra 1
1:00:182 3 4 parking spaces.
1:00:20>> Mhm.
1:00:21>> And there's already a shortage of
1:00:22parking in the city on the site. So, um
1:00:25it's a it's a small waiver request 2 ft
1:00:27to 5 ft plus I think the addition of
1:00:30this um landscape wall will provide a
1:00:33nice separation between the parking lot
1:00:36um and field court, which will add to
1:00:38the I think board's consideration of
1:00:40that waiver.
1:00:42>> Mhm.
1:00:45>> We spoke with the landscape architect
1:00:47studio.
1:00:48We worked with the urban forestry.
1:00:51They're they're good on that on that.
1:00:53>> Right.
1:00:54>> Yes.
1:00:54>> We got an understanding of the salt for
1:00:56W.
1:00:56>> Yes, at least we're dealing with crane.
1:00:59>> Yeah.
1:00:59>> Um final plan.
1:01:00>> Yeah.
1:01:01And the third the third waiver I think
1:01:03was the elevation difference between the
1:01:05first floor I mean
1:01:06>> and the grade, yeah.
1:01:07>> and the grade.
1:01:08>> I accept that.
1:01:09>> Okay. So, yeah, yeah, we discussed that,
1:01:11but just from an ADA entrance
1:01:12compliance, we had to submit a new plan.
1:01:21>> So, I guess you do want us to continue
1:01:22to proceed with the extra curb cut and
1:01:25fill with
1:01:29the extra curb cut will remain but will
1:01:30have a gate for emergency access
1:01:32assessment right.
1:01:35How does the board feel about that?
1:01:37Well,
1:01:38their sales enable you to refer to the
1:01:39second curb cut. Yes. Yeah.
1:01:42Yes.
1:01:45Yeah.
1:01:46I think they made it a lot easier just
1:01:49and still change access. Yeah.
1:01:51I think it's the best of all worlds.
1:01:54I agree.
1:01:56Okay.
1:02:02Does the board have any other questions?
1:02:14I sent him an email today reminding him
1:02:17that we are looking for names for the
1:02:19balance. So hopefully
1:02:21I will keep pushing him.
1:02:24But yeah. I said about keeping it beyond
1:02:27the meeting with the department head
1:02:29essentially will get you
1:02:30drawings and DPW's approval and
1:02:33everything. So you've gotten their
1:02:35feedback
1:02:36preliminarily
1:02:42Board of any other comments?
1:02:44What?
1:02:47Okay. So you think being
1:02:49in about your marching orders? We
1:02:51leaving the public hearing open
1:02:55sorry. Are we leaving the public hearing
1:02:56open?
1:03:00But do you mean like to leave the public
1:03:01hearing open or do you want to close it?
1:03:04I would leave it open
1:03:06okay. I would leave it open for now.
1:03:08Okay.
1:03:12>> [clears throat]
1:03:13>> So are you able to end?
1:03:17What do you want to say at this point?
1:03:27motion
1:03:29>> Wait, motion to table this and keep the
1:03:31public hearing open until next month.
1:03:33Andrew, is motion second? Kyra?
1:03:37All in favor?
1:03:39Opposed?
1:03:41Okay.
1:03:43>> Mark is absent.
1:03:48>> It is at the time of the excelsior.
1:03:51>> Okay.
1:03:52All right. Thank you.
1:03:54Thank you.
1:04:04Maybe I can do that.
1:04:06Thank you so much.
1:04:07>> And
1:04:08let the record show that Sage Nukirk has
1:04:11arrived and will be participating.
1:04:16>> Go back again.
1:04:19Did they win? They won. One to zero.
1:04:22I'm not signing this one, right?
1:04:24>> Correct.
1:04:43>> Number eight.
1:04:45>> Number eight.
1:04:57Okay, item number eight. 350 Broadway,
1:04:59site plan to construct an addition to an
1:05:01existing building and establish 10
1:05:03residential units.
1:05:05SBL 56.26.11-49.100.
1:05:10Secret determination soon.
1:05:12So, this
1:05:13>> This one is, I think, entry.
1:05:17>> Try it too.
1:05:18Uh transex zone T5, the applicant has
1:05:21ward nine. Diane Chen is the applicant.
1:05:24350 Broadway Kingston LLC owner.
1:05:28Welcome.
1:05:29Are you going to just names for the
1:05:31record, please?
1:05:31>> Good evening. Diane Chen. This is
1:05:35This is Mike Shilo, my GC, Odyssey
1:05:38Builder. So, I'm going to turn it over
1:05:40to him. He knows what to do. Thank you.
1:05:42>> [laughter]
1:05:43>> Well, if you just want to give us a
1:05:44quick walk through. Sure.
1:05:46>> will have the screen, so.
1:05:48>> You guys are probably familiar with the
1:05:50property because it's been on the
1:05:51planning board previously with a grant
1:05:53on seven units.
1:05:55When Diane bought the property, it was
1:05:57showing seven units, but it would never
1:05:59qualify for
1:06:01a building permit because the two
1:06:03adjacent lots, even though they're
1:06:05lower, didn't allow proper fire egress
1:06:08because there was no way they had
1:06:09multiple bedrooms.
1:06:11During this process, we discovered that
1:06:13the second and third floor roofs are in
1:06:15total need of replacement, and we talked
1:06:18to our local architect, Robert Sweeney,
1:06:20and looked at the feasibility of of just
1:06:22removing down to the second floor and
1:06:24going back up over the existing
1:06:26footprint and enclosing the entire
1:06:28footprint.
1:06:29To make the building code compliant, we
1:06:31could only fit studios like we need
1:06:33eight one-bedrooms in there that would
1:06:34be closed off, and we wouldn't be fire
1:06:36code. So, we figured out that we can
1:06:38keep the same bedroom count, but we get
1:06:4010 units versus the seven that were
1:06:42originally planned.
1:06:44Mhm.
1:06:46Project has three affordable units as
1:06:49part of the scope. Um
1:06:52we will be looking for a handicap spot
1:06:54on the street because when our 10
1:06:56originally property was being marketed
1:06:59with gated parking in the rear, it
1:07:01turned out that the spots weren't gated
1:07:03after all of the property, so
1:07:05the originally planned handicap parking
1:07:07in the back is not feasible anymore. So,
1:07:09we either would like to do right in
1:07:11front of the property or
1:07:13paint and stripe one of the closest
1:07:14street in with the city lot if the city
1:07:16would be able to do it for the one or
1:07:17the other if the city would do it to us.
1:07:19In the rear of the property, we are
1:07:21going to have access for a full garbage
1:07:23container as well as a closed bicycle
1:07:26enclosures so that we can fit probably
1:07:29one bike for most of the tenants even
1:07:31though we're only required to have two,
1:07:32we're making it available for
1:07:33everybody's use.
1:07:35And we're not changing footprint of the
1:07:37property at all.
1:07:39That's rear of the property. So,
1:07:41Broadway facing side will still look the
1:07:43same and actually look better cuz it'll
1:07:44have windows finally. And probably the
1:07:46same thing too.
1:07:47I'll answer any questions the board has.
1:07:49>> So, you mentioned about the back of the
1:07:51property with the
1:07:53>> [clears throat]
1:07:53>> trash receptacles and all of that. So,
1:07:56the last time I was here there was an
1:07:58easement [clears throat]
1:07:59to access
1:08:01>> The easement does not exist. They never
1:08:03registered it when the hospital The
1:08:04original Since the hospital sold the
1:08:06property or the easement, the previous
1:08:08owner never got that documented on the
1:08:12deed. And unfortunately, it didn't
1:08:13transfer to us. It's not mapped there.
1:08:16Worst case scenario, if and when the
1:08:18hospital decides to do something with
1:08:20that lot, we can take the garbage that
1:08:22we have there and walk it through our
1:08:23ground floor corridor and and put it out
1:08:25front where our garbage dumpster comes.
1:08:27So, right now we'll have an enclosure
1:08:29which can store a 4-yard container which
1:08:32the dumpster company can come in and
1:08:33open the gates, pull it out, dump it,
1:08:36put it back in. And close up the And
1:08:39it's not visible. We do have a small
1:08:40section in the back which we're going to
1:08:42make still keep retain the originally
1:08:45planned steps. And there will still be
1:08:47an access point on the back of the
1:08:49property so that you in essence can walk
1:08:51through to the front and that's our main
1:08:53ADA compatible.
1:08:55>> Okay.
1:08:56>> We also plan on marketing the two ground
1:08:58floor apartments as ADA. We're required
1:09:00to have one but we're making both ADA
1:09:02accessible.
1:09:04>> Okay.
1:09:08Now, this is the change of the facade on
1:09:10the front of the building first floor.
1:09:13>> This is the existing.
1:09:15>> Okay.
1:09:15>> It's going to be all We're not changing
1:09:17anything on the facade on the front
1:09:18floor. There's an existing roofing
1:09:19canopy. We're just going to re-roof it
1:09:21cuz it's
1:09:22>> Okay.
1:09:22>> in not in good shape. So, this is the
1:09:24rear of the property and it had stucco
1:09:27and siding and had a mishmash of
1:09:28different things. So, we're going to use
1:09:30a Hardie Plank 9-in white standard look.
1:09:33The bottom We changed it's masonry on
1:09:35this side. The masonry goes up and over
1:09:37here it's a wood structure to the top.
1:09:39>> But, you you were going to enclose that
1:09:42front
1:09:42>> Where?
1:09:43>> little alcove?
1:09:44>> Yes. Oh my god. I Sorry, I totally
1:09:46forgot about that. So, right now we have
1:09:47a homeless person that likes to use our
1:09:49spot. And what we decided to do is bring
1:09:52that
1:09:53space towards the street more. We'll
1:09:55probably leave it within a foot of its
1:09:58of the property line. So, that we can
1:10:00still keep the We'll call box for the
1:10:02fire departments and have their access
1:10:04to it, but it would also serve as a wind
1:10:06entry for the retail when we rent it
1:10:08out.
1:10:08>> Amen.
1:10:09>> And eliminate the homeless person
1:10:10sleeping there.
1:10:12>> And then with
1:10:13um mailboxes?
1:10:14>> Mailboxes, right now we have two
1:10:16options. One is right here on the sliver
1:10:19just a built-in. We might make the wall
1:10:21wider or right now it's programmed you
1:10:23walk into the corridor and there'll be
1:10:2510 mailboxes plus a commercial for the
1:10:27mail departments use in this instance.
1:10:30We set inside the wall.
1:10:31>> Okay. That would be inside the left
1:10:33>> Inside the left door, yes.
1:10:34>> Okay.
1:10:35>> Secondary door there. So, the mailman
1:10:36can get in, but he can't go beyond the
1:10:38problem.
1:10:38>> Okay.
1:10:39>> Um so, you go to your plan to make sure
1:10:40there
1:10:41>> And the first floor apartments, their
1:10:43access
1:10:44You go behind?
1:10:45>> No, you actually have entrances from the
1:10:46front. If you go to the plan
1:10:49the section that has
1:10:51So, you would walk in here
1:10:53>> Okay.
1:10:54>> and you have a corridor here to this
1:10:55unit and you can go to this one. But,
1:10:58they also have access from the rear if
1:11:00they want to.
1:11:08Because we couldn't bank on having this
1:11:10always available for handicap entry, we
1:11:13originally were programmed to have a
1:11:14lift there. We have to lose access to
1:11:16that, we have to maintain this corridor,
1:11:18and we have to sacrifice some of this
1:11:20space, which originally was part of the
1:11:22retail. But, by doing so, we've
1:11:24maintained access and also here is the
1:11:26>> And it's just one retail?
1:11:28>> One retail.
1:11:29>> Okay.
1:11:30>> Existing.
1:11:32750-ish square feet.
1:11:42>> Now, another question. Since this takes
1:11:45up most of the footprint, and there is
1:11:47no easement in the back, how will
1:11:49construction stage with materials and
1:11:52equipment and
1:11:54>> I can bring everything in through here
1:11:55or boom it in.
1:11:57>> Okay.
1:11:57>> We do have
1:11:58>> like machines, booms to bring
1:12:01>> Well, I did I would have a delivery of
1:12:02drywall, that's our biggest item really
1:12:04to come in, and and some 2x4s, so we can
1:12:06stage it right through the windows.
1:12:08Um, I'm led to believe with initial
1:12:10conversations that the hospital would
1:12:12allow us to take deliveries from the
1:12:14back, and wouldn't impact this.
1:12:16If we have to go to the front, we'll
1:12:17apply for a permit to park,
1:12:20load it, and then leave.
1:12:21>> Okay.
1:12:22>> With flaggers.
1:12:31>> Right now, the parking lot, every time I
1:12:33go, it's really empty.
1:12:35They have been doing work on that there,
1:12:36so hopefully
1:12:38>> They'll probably stage that area when we
1:12:39start.
1:12:40>> And then we won't bother anybody too.
1:12:42Hopefully they complete it fairly soon.
1:12:48What's your timeline?
1:12:50>> Assuming this gets going in the right
1:12:52direction, we would apply for permits
1:12:55next week for the first phase that's
1:12:56already permitted, which is the
1:12:58downstairs.
1:12:59We're finalizing drawings with Charlie
1:13:01and hope to have something ready for
1:13:03There's an existing building right now
1:13:04that we're going to be filing for demo
1:13:06and we want to do the roof
1:13:08sooner than later. So, if it's not
1:13:09raining it's worse.
1:13:11>> We're really hoping that's
1:13:13late spring this year.
1:13:14>> Be on the market soon. Yeah.
1:13:18>> But, because I'm in the commercial we
1:13:20keep
1:13:21interior material business anyway, so
1:13:24that becomes very easy. Once I have the
1:13:26roof and the windows, inside it will go
1:13:29really fast.
1:13:30>> Okay.
1:13:36>> Any questions?
1:13:37>> We're going to go over it now.
1:13:41>> And then, I think it's great. I mean,
1:13:43that you don't really see a lot of
1:13:45proposals for studios and the fact that
1:13:48you can get more housing out of it for
1:13:50people. Which
1:13:51is great.
1:13:52>> Lemonade out of lemons. Yeah. Yeah.
1:13:54>> That's our architect, Charlie Wesley.
1:13:57He's a native Kingston. He said this
1:13:59will be so good for the area.
1:14:01Great location for a And it will be nice
1:14:03to see that
1:14:04>> [laughter]
1:14:05>> Everybody's looking forward to it.
1:14:07>> coming to Is that vacant?
1:14:09Finally.
1:14:11>> See you then.
1:14:11>> Everybody can't wait. Yeah, yeah. Thank
1:14:13you.
1:14:15>> All right. So,
1:14:17>> Thank you so much.
1:14:19>> All right. So, this is a type two. We
1:14:22have the
1:14:22>> And
1:14:23is
1:14:24Do you
1:14:25do require because it's 10 units, you
1:14:29are required to have one unit dedicated
1:14:32affordable with three
1:14:33>> We have three.
1:14:35>> You'll have to have one deed restricted
1:14:36through a covenant. And then, there will
1:14:39be a wreck fee of $10,000.
1:14:42And we just recognized potential
1:14:45easement in the future and then the
1:14:47fourth policies four or ending 6 7 11
1:14:5112 16 16A 17 20 21 22 23 and 24.
1:14:58Which you will get.
1:14:59>> [laughter]
1:15:00>> Perfect.
1:15:01>> Can you get them?
1:15:01>> [clears throat]
1:15:02>> How much you said the rent for unit 9
1:15:03that's
1:15:04>> 11
1:15:05>> $9,000 for the rent for unit
1:15:06>> 9,000 well
1:15:08Yeah, the with 10 units the first six
1:15:10are exempt for the and then because they
1:15:13are the affordable units for you and six
1:15:15units is all
1:15:16>> Mhm.
1:15:18>> What about taking the other two
1:15:19affordable that we're putting into
1:15:21consideration?
1:15:22>> Mhm.
1:15:25>> Take those into account and take those
1:15:27are deed restricted, right?
1:15:28>> Yes.
1:15:28>> Okay.
1:15:29>> If they're deed restricted then that one
1:15:31>> They are.
1:15:32>> If you spread it over they have to be
1:15:34deed restricted basically in perpetuity
1:15:37for as long as the use remains
1:15:40residentially
1:15:42occupied.
1:15:43>> I think that's your situation.
1:15:44>> I can't really adjust it but yeah.
1:15:48>> All right, so motion next.
1:15:50>> I need a motion.
1:15:51>> I'll make a motion.
1:15:52>> Can I get a second?
1:15:54Sage
1:15:56All in favor?
1:15:58Opposed?
1:16:01Thank you folks. Really appreciate it.
1:16:04Look forward to
1:16:06receiving the homework.
1:16:11Have a great evening.
1:16:14>> I'll find the deputy director.
1:16:17>> Yeah, we'll we'll send you a my letter.
1:16:19>> Do you have any homework
1:16:20>> Are you kidding?
1:16:21>> I can't even imagine.
1:16:22>> What do you
1:16:23>> I don't know what that is.
1:16:24>> I have a question about
1:16:27>> Who says it's a good thing?
1:16:28>> I don't know what she what's saying.
1:16:30>> So this happened in just one
1:16:32>> I was I was waiting to
1:16:33>> I don't know what to
1:16:34>> I was saying that
1:16:34>> I don't know what she was saying to me.
1:16:37>> You can do a good job.
1:16:40>> Stop it.
1:16:42>> I guess that's it.
1:16:43>> What did you say?
1:17:04>> Okay, item number nine, 11 111 Schwenk
1:17:08Drive site plan with associated waivers
1:17:11to demolish the existing building and
1:17:13construct a mixed-use building with
1:17:15ground floor commercial and residential
1:17:17above. SBL 48.314-2-
1:17:2223.1 secret determination that's two
1:17:27transact zone T5 MS ward two Ross
1:17:32Hoffman milestone development applicant
1:17:35CMRC LLC owner.
1:17:39Move forward folks.
1:17:53>> [laughter]
1:18:28>> Well, welcome folks and if we could just
1:18:29have everyone's name for the record.
1:18:31>> Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for
1:18:32having us.
1:18:33I'm Marley Bushen. I'm a partner and
1:18:35head of development at Milestones.
1:18:39Uh this is Martha Bush
1:18:41>> I'm a director at Marble. We have a
1:18:43construction project.
1:18:44>> And now he will also be joining us.
1:18:46Scott James.
1:18:47>> He's an associate at Marble.
1:18:49>> Uh
1:18:49we've got Mike Moriello who's doing our
1:18:51land use.
1:18:53Uh
1:18:53Paul Arias who's our civil.
1:18:56Kevin O'Connor from Rock Coast, partners
1:18:58on the project. Uh and a smattering of
1:19:01other people heart and Tim also from
1:19:03Rock Coast, my business partner and
1:19:05>> And
1:19:05>> Um and Samara and Eloise, Mary Daley and
1:19:08Eloise Paul from Sycamore Street
1:19:09Advisors who are also on the project.
1:19:12>> Thanks, Samara. Well, welcome, folks.
1:19:15Um
1:19:15this point you just want to give us a
1:19:18walk through?
1:19:18>> Yeah, absolutely. Um so, I think many of
1:19:21you know the site as the Kia site.
1:19:25>> [laughter]
1:19:26>> Uh we'd love for it to be rebranded as
1:19:27something else. I have but uh we're
1:19:30really excited about this project. We
1:19:32are proposing 135 units of all
1:19:35affordable housing. Um
1:19:38we are working with HCR on the financing
1:19:40for this. So, we're doing it as a bond
1:19:42and credit deal. So, that will ensure
1:19:44that it is 100% affordable. We're
1:19:47targeting AMIs between 40%
1:19:51Um and we are hoping to close on this
1:19:55about a year from now on financing. Um
1:19:59assuming that approvals and everything
1:20:00go well, okay. Uh we are including
1:20:04studios to three-bedroom units.
1:20:06Um
1:20:07and uh as you can see, the building is
1:20:11sort of L-shaped and it's got a small
1:20:13amount of ground floor retail to comply
1:20:15with the zoning on the C5 Main Street.
1:20:17Um and we're also currently proposing
1:20:20doing the project uh as mass timber uh
1:20:23as sort of a sustainable building
1:20:25method. We have uh geothermal heating
1:20:28and cooling uh that we're designing into
1:20:30the project. and um
1:20:33yeah, we uh
1:20:34have
1:20:35over 100 spaces of surface parking
1:20:38beside this by far it is about 2 acres,
1:20:40so we're able to accommodate that and we
1:20:42think that that will be more than enough
1:20:44for the uh population in the building.
1:20:47Um and I will turn it over to the
1:20:50architects who will take us through more
1:20:52of the specifics. Yeah.
1:20:53>> If there's any questions about 519, I'll
1:20:55be able to explain them.
1:20:58Um I think we're just getting them
1:21:00Yeah, the graphics up.
1:21:10full screen.
1:21:16We got
1:21:17We got the server
1:21:18How do you like those yet?
1:21:25And then change
1:21:33Well, this is the aspect of speaking.
1:21:36All of this is
1:21:37still
1:21:54So, what we're doing is this is the um
1:21:57all of that on the site plan, but
1:21:59there's going to be a small lot line
1:22:02revision associated with this because
1:22:05there's a piece in the rear that they're
1:22:07going to need
1:22:08um
1:22:09assuming ownership of the adjoining
1:22:12property to the land.
1:22:14>> I'm going to guess they're off the rear.
1:22:16>> Back here on the site, there's that odd
1:22:19sort of triangle uh that cuts in versus
1:22:21to the 111 straight site, and so we um
1:22:26have an agreement with um
1:22:28um Bob Ryan
1:22:30uh, who owns the property and I started
1:22:32to acquire that site in conjunction with
1:22:34our closing. And you can actually see
1:22:36the triangle sort of highlighted on the
1:22:37bubble. You have a small computer.
1:22:40>> So, uh, project highlights which Marley
1:22:43just ran through. This mentions 100%
1:22:46portable 150 by units,
1:22:48hybrid CLT construction cross-laminated
1:22:50timber, uh, geothermal heating and
1:22:53cooling.
1:22:54Um, also some interesting stuff at the
1:22:56site. We're actually flood wings. We're
1:22:57doing flood resiliency to buildings.
1:22:59It's actually 5 ft above the ground
1:23:02plane. So, we're going with that.
1:23:04Um, and we're providing approximately
1:23:06102 parking spaces. So,
1:23:09real quickly, I'll go over some context
1:23:11and design and then get into the
1:23:12building. So, this is where Branch
1:23:14Schwenk is uh, located. So, this is the
1:23:16site with that lot line adjustment
1:23:18shown. So, we're just outside of the
1:23:20historic district here on the other side
1:23:22of the hill.
1:23:23Um, and here there's the single, uh,
1:23:26old, uh, car lot there with
1:23:29asphalt around it. So, when we got into
1:23:32the design, we were really taken,
1:23:34obviously, with the Stockade District
1:23:35and with Front Street and Wall Street
1:23:37and kind of looking at the qualities of
1:23:39the buildings there
1:23:41um, and contrasting that with Schwenk
1:23:43Drive. So, we went through and we did a
1:23:44whole inclusive looking at the rhythms
1:23:46and the proportions of those facades and
1:23:48trying to understand what makes those
1:23:50buildings have so much character.
1:23:52And then we looked at Schwenk Drive
1:23:54which has
1:23:55a quite different typology of suburban
1:23:57buildings and a parking lot, right? So,
1:23:58kind of the big question for us is how
1:24:00we bring that character down there on
1:24:03the river here.
1:24:04Um, and so, this is some photos of the
1:24:06site if you don't know it that well. Uh,
1:24:08so, this is the building on the
1:24:10backside. Here you have all these
1:24:12building these trees that are going up
1:24:13the hill kind of screen the parking lot
1:24:15a little bit. And there's existing
1:24:17foliage on either side of the building
1:24:19as well.
1:24:20Um,
1:24:21so, we're really taken with the textures
1:24:23of the town, right? All the different
1:24:24history and all the details that make up
1:24:27the buildings and particularly the
1:24:29adjacent Stockade Historic Area. And we
1:24:31did a whole analysis looking at the
1:24:33wealth and material history that comes
1:24:34from Kingston and the greater Ulster
1:24:36County. So, we looked at brick, we
1:24:38looked at timber, we looked at bluestone
1:24:41and limestone masonry, we looked at
1:24:42cement.
1:24:44And then we, you know, went back to the
1:24:45site
1:24:47and we looked at actually the building
1:24:48history of the Stockade District and
1:24:51what the buildings were made out of,
1:24:53largely brick frame siding and concrete
1:24:55and how that changed over time.
1:24:57So, then when we went to the site, we
1:24:59took two what we call bars
1:25:02and we treated one with brick and
1:25:03another with a limestone or stone like
1:25:05material using a high-density panel
1:25:08which has a texture to it, it's like a
1:25:10furred material.
1:25:12So, we defined those volumes, we
1:25:14articulated the volumes a little bit
1:25:15differently. The brick one has this
1:25:17stepping on the front to follow the
1:25:18curve of the street corner. As that's
1:25:20what we always said, but don't show me
1:25:22the whole thing. We connected them with
1:25:24this bridge across. And then finally we
1:25:27articulated the volumes by adding some
1:25:29more wood into the the building and
1:25:32those kind of that happen at public
1:25:33spaces within the building and then we
1:25:36lifted the back portion of the building
1:25:38up so that we get all the parking
1:25:40underneath it in the front.
1:25:42So, that gives us two facade systems for
1:25:45the building. They're both
1:25:47a rain screen insulation system, but on
1:25:49the front it's a a brick facade, it's a
1:25:52Kingston brick so it's a bit longer and
1:25:54taller.
1:25:56And then on the back is that
1:25:58high-density panel that we talked about.
1:26:00So, the brick will have headers and
1:26:02sills
1:26:04and then the
1:26:06panel portion will have some trim around
1:26:09the windows to help cast shadows and
1:26:10break up the facade as well.
1:26:13So, we mentioned that it was hybrid CLT.
1:26:16What that means is that the floors and
1:26:18then out of cross-laminated timber.
1:26:20Um so, because of the flood plane here,
1:26:23we're building that first floor out of
1:26:24concrete. So, it's resilient. So, it's a
1:26:26concrete podium.
1:26:28Um so, above that, but you have See
1:26:30these orange lines here? That will be
1:26:33cross-laminated timber flooring, which
1:26:34will be exposed in the apartment. So,
1:26:36this is a similar style project, but you
1:26:38can see the wood ceilings there. And
1:26:41then the walls themselves will be
1:26:43uh light wood framing. So, those are
1:26:46spaced on a 12 by 6 module,
1:26:48um which act as bearing and shear walls
1:26:50throughout.
1:26:51Uh and then also above the first floor,
1:26:54that CLT is going to be making up the
1:26:57elevator shafts and the stair shafts.
1:26:59So, when you're in a corridor, you can
1:27:00see where the public spaces are, and
1:27:02they can move by seeing the wood.
1:27:06Uh so, this is a view from the
1:27:07northwest, um which was on one of the
1:27:09earlier slides. This is the retail
1:27:11component uh that Marylin mentioned.
1:27:14This is the kind of burning the sloping
1:27:16that we're using to navigate that 5-ft
1:27:19difference. So, we're using the
1:27:20landscape and we use it as notches, like
1:27:22a harsh wall in front of the building's
1:27:24wall. Well,
1:27:25this is a view from the southwest. If
1:27:27you go in the parking lot, so if you
1:27:29look at it
1:27:31that way. And then this is the screening
1:27:33and the rear entrance into that amenity
1:27:35courtyard
1:27:37um that was mentioned, and you can start
1:27:38to see some of the amenity rooftop
1:27:40terraces above.
1:27:43And then looking at the northeast, you
1:27:44can see the drive aisle. So, that takes
1:27:46you back into the parking. There's 102
1:27:47spaces. And then here you get a kind of
1:27:49clear view of the residential entrance.
1:27:51So, again, anywhere where there's kind
1:27:53of public movement, that's where we
1:27:55start to bring in the wood and bring it
1:27:56in from the outside.
1:27:58Um and then here you see the stepping of
1:27:59the building itself. It's stepping 2 and
1:28:011/2 in 2 and 1/2 foot increments. And
1:28:04so, that brings down the natural canopy,
1:28:06so that we don't need to add anything
1:28:08else on to the facade.
1:28:11And then this is a view from the
1:28:13courtyard. That initial early sketch we
1:28:15did, but gives you an idea of the
1:28:17amenity spaces that will be wrapping
1:28:19this courtyard. So you'll have your
1:28:20lounge off of it. Uh you'll have your
1:28:22laundry and your gym. Um and then you
1:28:25can kind of see some of the CLT coming
1:28:27through the windows up there.
1:28:30Uh this is a ground floor plan zoomed in
1:28:33on the first floor of the building
1:28:35itself. So this is the courtyard
1:28:37that we were just looking at. You have
1:28:38your amenity spaces wrapping it with
1:28:40this corridor so that there's always
1:28:41natural light coming into that. Um and
1:28:44then you have your main entrance here in
1:28:46the north, which is what we looked at
1:28:47with the ramp, the stairs, the retail,
1:28:49and the residential entrance are on the
1:28:51same level. So they're both at that 5-ft
1:28:54uh elevation. And then there is a rear
1:28:56entrance from the parking area that has
1:28:59both a ramp and stairs as well.
1:29:02Um on the ground floor we also have like
1:29:04our water meter, electrical service room
1:29:06up here in the corner. We have a
1:29:08compactor room um which will carry 30
1:29:11toters, which will be brought out and
1:29:12staged in the back. Uh we're working
1:29:15with our waste management on that.
1:29:18And then the typical floor, these will
1:29:20run through two through six. Um so these
1:29:22have the studios, the one beds, the two
1:29:24beds, and the three beds.
1:29:26Uh this repeats per the floor or per
1:29:29every floor. So there's an elevator bank
1:29:30here in the north. You have your stair
1:29:32here in the north and another stair in
1:29:33the south. So those run
1:29:36back
1:29:38down.
1:29:39So that stair A goes out and exits
1:29:41through there and stair B connects it
1:29:42out here. And stair B actually exits out
1:29:45above the flood plane,
1:29:48um which is just kind of a
1:29:50you know, in case there is a flood, that
1:29:52way you're not opening the flood right
1:29:54out of the water.
1:29:57And then on the roof we have an amenity
1:29:59terrace in the bar portion in the center
1:30:01there.
1:30:02Uh and then we have the stairs on either
1:30:04side.
1:30:05Because we're using a geothermal system,
1:30:08we don't actually have that much
1:30:09equipment on the roof. So, we have two
1:30:11ERVs in the north and two ERVs in the
1:30:13south. And then there's a a generator
1:30:16that will be on the north on the strong
1:30:18rise.
1:30:21So, as part of this, we are going for
1:30:24seven
1:30:25waivers. Three of them are major and
1:30:28four minor. The first one
1:30:32is the built-to zone. So, as of right
1:30:35with the affordability bonus, we can
1:30:37build up to six stories. Uh for the
1:30:39first 80 ft. So, that's essentially
1:30:41roughly this far in the broad up to six
1:30:45stories.
1:30:46Uh what we're looking to do is to
1:30:48continue that across so that we get more
1:30:51affordable units here in the back seven.
1:30:53Um the second major waiver is a distance
1:30:57between glazing. So, per zoning, I'll
1:31:00jump back to that beautiful
1:31:03Per zoning, this portion of the facade
1:31:05needs to be 2 ft wide. Uh we're showing
1:31:08it as four to keep a proportional rhythm
1:31:10with the rest of the building.
1:31:11Um and also to account for the
1:31:13structural column that's coming down
1:31:14there.
1:31:18The
1:31:19third major waiver is
1:31:21curb cut width. Uh per the zoning, the
1:31:23maximum curb cut is 20 ft wide. We are
1:31:26showing currently a 24 ft curb cut
1:31:28width, but then the arrows are 20 ft and
1:31:30the drive aisle after it will be on the
1:31:32street.
1:31:33Uh the four minor waivers are for the
1:31:35front built-to zone. So, first one is
1:31:38per the zoning, the building needs to be
1:31:41within 5 ft of the perimeter of the
1:31:43property line. But, because of the flood
1:31:47uh resiliency, we the space to get up
1:31:50into the building. So,
1:31:52we're trying to set that back.
1:31:53Uh the building width uh the the zoning
1:31:56permits 150 ft. So, we're less than 10%
1:31:59over, but we're a little bit wider this
1:32:01far of 162 ft.
1:32:03Um and then there is a blank wall on the
1:32:07ground floor.
1:32:10Here, so in order to get this drive out
1:32:12here so that the cars can come through,
1:32:14that means that we need to put the
1:32:16front-facing utility entry here.
1:32:20Um instead of being able to like break
1:32:21it up or put something in between. Uh so
1:32:24that creates uh
1:32:26a blank wall that's a little bit larger,
1:32:27but we're articulating that with
1:32:29different materials and potentially
1:32:30putting signage there.
1:32:32>> Can you show that blank wall on the
1:32:33front right here?
1:32:34>> The um
1:32:35yeah, it's
1:32:38here.
1:32:39>> Okay.
1:32:39>> So our thought is like we can add
1:32:41signage here adjacent to it and then use
1:32:43the landscaping to soften that. Um so
1:32:46that way it's not just a big a stretch.
1:32:52And then the fourth waiver is related to
1:32:54signage. Uh per the zoning
1:32:57the letter of it says that the wall
1:32:59signage needs to be uh
1:33:01above the storefront. We're showing it
1:33:03as adjacent uh in our drawings, which I
1:33:06can pull those up, but
1:33:08um that's largely because here the
1:33:09storefront runs all the way to the top,
1:33:11so we have the signage here to help
1:33:14break up that
1:33:16uh blank wall facade. Um whereas it'll
1:33:19be above the
1:33:21the storefront for the retail.
1:33:24And then this is the overall site plan.
1:33:27So this is 102 parking spaces.
1:33:30The EV spaces here to the south, the
1:33:32bike parking will be
1:33:34uh under the overhang of the building
1:33:36adjacent to the back entry. Um and then
1:33:40we have our ADA spaces here as well.
1:33:42Uh Paul, was there anything else with
1:33:44the
1:33:45>> Um I'll just say quickly uh
1:33:49we're to
1:33:50redeveloping a largely impervious site
1:33:53and and actually reducing by 8% the
1:33:56impervious area.
1:33:58Um [snorts] I have verified in
1:34:00communication with the city engineer the
1:34:02base flood elevation we're using 155.4.
1:34:06So, the finished floors are all 2 ft
1:34:08above that.
1:34:10Um and happy to answer any questions
1:34:14regarding our our civil site plan or
1:34:16engineering related issues.
1:34:19>> Can you just speak to just a little bit
1:34:21about how right now there is storm water
1:34:24that and it runs through the site, it
1:34:26connects other properties as well, and
1:34:29how that's going to all be redirected
1:34:32and on an interim when the construction
1:34:35is not being on this site, how the storm
1:34:39water is going to be addressed from the
1:34:40adjacent sites and that doesn't back up
1:34:43there?
1:34:43>> Sure. Um so, we have I believe four
1:34:47connections. There's a small catch basin
1:34:50from Bob Ryan's property that goes into
1:34:53a basin on our site. We have a small
1:34:56basin from the teachers union
1:35:00on the adjacent site who have an
1:35:02easement here and a small 6-in line that
1:35:05comes onto our site and then there's uh
1:35:08one other line from the federal credit
1:35:11union that actually won't be affected.
1:35:14We'll be rerouting the storm up
1:35:16Let me show it better on a different
1:35:18plan. Um so, it's really just these two
1:35:20basins which are essentially overflows
1:35:24from a drywell system on this property
1:35:26adjacent.
1:35:28Um
1:35:29not really concerned about
1:35:32during construction. What they would go
1:35:35from downstream and back, so these would
1:35:39by the time these are tied back in,
1:35:42they they would be connected to the Frog
1:35:44Alley system that discharges
1:35:47that way.
1:35:48Um
1:35:49if we have to do any temporary bypass
1:35:53uh
1:35:53if there's a storm, then they're not
1:35:55connected in the couple days while we're
1:35:58reconnecting these
1:36:00these 6-in lines, uh we'll we'll do that
1:36:03as needed.
1:36:05>> And you're proposing a new um
1:36:09What's the name of it?
1:36:10>> The hydro-dynamic separator.
1:36:12>> Thank you.
1:36:13>> That'll That'll help us meet our water
1:36:15quality goal and treatment for the slip
1:36:18redevelopment slip. Um allows for the
1:36:21use of those, and that's
1:36:23that'll be here right before going out
1:36:26the Frog Alley.
1:36:27Um and that will be able to convey the
1:36:30100-year storm flow while while treating
1:36:33the storm water.
1:36:34>> I don't know the board is familiar with
1:36:37that. Can you just kind of describe the
1:36:38system because I don't think it's
1:36:40something that we're
1:36:40>> Sure. It's more of a mechanized uh
1:36:43system
1:36:45um
1:36:46that has like a swirl
1:36:48um
1:36:49I I call it a filter filtration system
1:36:52that that treats storm water and and
1:36:54discharges it a cleaner uh storm water
1:36:57we used one at Benedictine and
1:37:01we've used them all over for
1:37:02redevelopment projects. It's I think a
1:37:056-ft diameter. Looks like a looks like a
1:37:08dry well, but it has a
1:37:11it it's mechanized and and provides our
1:37:14treatment.
1:37:15>> Does that need to be serviced or
1:37:17emptied?
1:37:18>> There's There's some maintenance
1:37:20requirements um
1:37:22I'm sure every 5 to 10 years.
1:37:24I I would have to check the exact.
1:37:28>> The The building is anticipating having
1:37:29a building superintendent.
1:37:31>> Okay.
1:37:31>> So maintenance should be easily covered.
1:37:40>> Yep. So if there's any questions for our
1:37:41group, thank you.
1:37:47>> So
1:37:48just for the record numbers, we've
1:37:50obviously you've got staff notes and we
1:37:52did send the staff notes out to you all.
1:37:56I'm sure some of you will look at them
1:37:58and digest them
1:38:00and
1:38:01we'll be making
1:38:03comments back on them. If you have any
1:38:05questions for us about anything that is
1:38:09within those, let us know
1:38:11before next month.
1:38:14This does need to go to the county, so I
1:38:17do want to forward to
1:38:19if they're comfortable with the level of
1:38:21information. I think it's developed we
1:38:23think it's developed enough to send that
1:38:26referral to the county planning board
1:38:29so that we can do that next month. I
1:38:31think also we would ask the board at
1:38:33public hearing.
1:38:35There's obviously one required by law
1:38:37for the lot line revision that is part
1:38:40of the project. I think a site plan
1:38:43public hearing is also in order
1:38:45on this.
1:38:47The other thing I'm just as we talked
1:38:49about with the 25 foot court one, I
1:38:51think that there should be some um
1:38:54uh more visual simulations done. Um I'd
1:38:58like the board to think about and
1:39:00maybe tonight come up with a couple of
1:39:03locations that, you know, as you're
1:39:06coming down Schwank or going up, you
1:39:08know, either direction on Schwank I
1:39:10think it'd be really appropriate to
1:39:12have some
1:39:14visual simulations for day and night um
1:39:17with building context of existing
1:39:20buildings in place.
1:39:22Um
1:39:23and also maybe from up above to get any
1:39:26sense of
1:39:28from the historic district. So, I don't
1:39:31know what are the board's thoughts on
1:39:33that.
1:39:37>> And this is a
1:39:39six-story building primarily is a
1:39:42one-story area.
1:39:44>> So, especially with the front street
1:39:45just to see what it'll do to the view.
1:39:48That would be one location.
1:39:50Not that it's saying.
1:39:58>> So, the that parking lot on on North
1:40:01Front Street is
1:40:03right. This is the guardrail.
1:40:05>> Yeah, yeah.
1:40:07>> From Front Street, it's due to the
1:40:09mature trees that are sort of on that
1:40:11slope up to the parking lot. They
1:40:13actually provide quite a bit of
1:40:15screening from Front Street.
1:40:18Um but that's sort of the perspective
1:40:20there.
1:40:20>> Yeah, this is a the normal perspective.
1:40:23>> Do we know the grade change between the
1:40:25our parking lot and
1:40:27the parking lot of North Street?
1:40:29>> Yeah.
1:40:36We go from 180 to about what what do we
1:40:39have? 150 or 160? Or 155? Yeah.
1:40:4425 ft.
1:40:49>> I just I think it's important
1:40:51to have those simulations particularly
1:40:54because one of the waiver requests is
1:40:58to have both the fifth and the sixth
1:41:00floor extended
1:41:02back
1:41:04all the way to the rear of the building,
1:41:06which is
1:41:08quite a large deviation
1:41:11waiver request. I wasn't It's close to
1:41:14200% and so I think it's important to
1:41:17understand
1:41:19visually and different
1:41:25view viewpoints.
1:41:30>> Sure, and we can also show it in the
1:41:31context of the Kingstonian, which will
1:41:34also be like a virtual drive by there.
1:41:38And the
1:41:41I mentioned it like the reason to bring
1:41:43that waiver or why we're requesting that
1:41:45is we get about
1:41:4730
1:41:49additional units of affordable housing.
1:41:51And so it it has a lot of implications
1:41:55if we were to lose those units, we'd
1:41:56likely be pushed into the HCR 9%
1:42:01financing program, which then is
1:42:03competitive, which you know, I can't say
1:42:06when we would close with that. And so
1:42:08keeping our building at a certain scale
1:42:11helps on multiple fronts.
1:42:14>> We're doing the housing diversity
1:42:16through the
1:42:17through the through the heart and those
1:42:18will be all up in two years, but we'll
1:42:20definitely do those visuals that you
1:42:21requested.
1:42:22>> Yeah.
1:42:23>> Do we know if the parking lot has
1:42:25been put out in RFP and there's been
1:42:28responses to develop on that?
1:42:30They're going to alter it slightly.
1:42:33Any issues to be
1:42:35to be able to be put on the parking lot
1:42:37on the west side?
1:42:38We'll get various vehicles for it.
1:42:41>> Yeah, absolutely. So we can take one
1:42:43from that parking lot for other areas.
1:42:45>> But we haven't seen the intersection.
1:42:49>> Okay, I got you. I got you.
1:42:50>> Uh no, other other intersection. Just
1:42:53with the parking lot.
1:42:54>> Yeah.
1:42:54>> Yeah. Yeah.
1:43:09>> The three affordable housing units
1:43:12going to be
1:43:14solely sourced through Roto?
1:43:18>> We will be the managing agent,
1:43:20um but the uh
1:43:23limited market environment of water of
1:43:2540 units.
1:43:29>> And we'll do, you know, it's always been
1:43:32our precedence to notify the community
1:43:34as much as we can that the lottery is
1:43:36active to, you know, encourage as many
1:43:39applications, especially locally, as we
1:43:41can.
1:43:42You know, we want people who live in
1:43:44Kingston who need an affordable home to
1:43:47be the first people to apply for this.
1:43:48So, if there's any suggestions of
1:43:50organizations we'd like to see us do
1:43:52outreach to, we're happy to consider
1:43:54that and make sure that we tell them
1:43:56that the lottery is active and even give
1:43:58them heads up. You know, in the past
1:44:00we've done even trainings on like this
1:44:02is how you actually apply for it when
1:44:03it's a complicated lottery system,
1:44:05things like that.
1:44:09>> So,
1:44:10the parking demand
1:44:12and reduction study it came in late. I
1:44:15just quickly reviewed it and a couple
1:44:17things.
1:44:19Um,
1:44:20I'm I'm thinking that, you know, what
1:44:22might be nice to incorporate into the
1:44:25project would be maybe a bus shelter
1:44:28along the public right-of-way to
1:44:30encourage, you know, ridership um or a
1:44:33place for them maybe
1:44:36um
1:44:36it's not, you know, I know you said you
1:44:39would provide information to residents,
1:44:42but I'm not seeing the
1:44:46intermodal kind of connectivity that I
1:44:48would like to see in that study
1:44:50identified.
1:44:51>> Sure, and we can certainly talk to
1:44:54bus operator here and see if there is an
1:44:56opportunity for that and at the very
1:44:58least do wayfinding, you know, if they
1:45:00say you don't want a bus shelter there,
1:45:01but do wayfinding of, you know, bus stop
1:45:04100 ft this way, whatever it is.
1:45:06Certainly want to encourage
1:45:08multimodal transit.
1:45:12>> Now, with this being in the flood plain,
1:45:14what
1:45:16are there any specialized construction
1:45:18techniques that you're going to use to
1:45:21put pilings in or how is
1:45:23the support going into the ground to
1:45:25bedrock or what
1:45:28that look like?
1:45:29>> So, our structural engineer is still
1:45:31working on that based off the geotech
1:45:33report, but um the basic feedback that
1:45:35we've gotten is because we're we're
1:45:36building up uh the 5 ft uh to do it with
1:45:40fill so that we're on slab
1:45:43um so that that would prevent having to
1:45:46wet flood proof anything.
1:45:49Uh so,
1:45:50currently
1:45:52uh the piles are are pretty standard. Um
1:45:55the depths will be based off of the
1:45:56geotech report um in terms of like flood
1:45:59resiliency, there isn't
1:46:01a lot extra that we have to do because
1:46:03we're doing uh
1:46:04the pile system here.
1:46:07>> Geotech says piles
1:46:09>> Yeah, mhm.
1:46:14>> So, would you be doing um so,
1:46:17for the pilings, would you be doing
1:46:19you'd be doing compacting, right? From
1:46:21what I understood reading the geotech,
1:46:23like they would be compacting the soils.
1:46:27>> That's what I already said.
1:46:28>> Okay.
1:46:31Um would you
1:46:33be doing any surveying of the adjacent
1:46:36properties or monitoring any of the
1:46:39buildings that are
1:46:40>> Absolutely, yeah. You know, normal
1:46:43course of business, we'll do a
1:46:44pre-construction survey of, you know,
1:46:46our geotech engineer or structural
1:46:48engineer will recommend which
1:46:49properties, how far it should extend,
1:46:51and then we'll do vibration monitoring,
1:46:53optical monitoring, whatever is
1:46:55necessary per their recommendations.
1:47:02>> So, do you I have listed in the agenda
1:47:06the New York State Office of Parks,
1:47:07Recreation and Historic Preservation as
1:47:09a circulating
1:47:11uh agency. Do you guys anticipate
1:47:15reaching out to them through Chris?
1:47:17Because the reason I ask is because what
1:47:20I found that would be happening more and
1:47:22more recently is once DEC gets it in
1:47:25their system, it takes several months.
1:47:28Then it goes to OPRHP, and then it's
1:47:31like 5 months later you get a letter
1:47:33that says, "Oh, we want to see
1:47:35everything." So, do you guys
1:47:37go to Chris right at the beginning?
1:47:39Should we do it? Should we
1:47:41>> I don't
1:47:43I typically only would have if we were
1:47:45doing the coordinating review, which
1:47:47which this is not we're treating as a
1:47:50activity,
1:47:51>> Yeah, my concern my concern is that
1:47:53they're going to get it
1:47:55and then say, "Okay, we're commenting."
1:47:57I mean, even though they're not
1:47:59interested agencies can
1:48:01>> in the each like if you're going for
1:48:03state funding,
1:48:05finance agencies
1:48:06>> It's going to be in the system.
1:48:07>> But that agency may develop a referral
1:48:10process.
1:48:11>> Okay.
1:48:12>> Well, we'll talk when we're
1:48:14But you don't you you we can do it
1:48:16anywhere we want.
1:48:17>> Well, we can check in with HCR if you
1:48:19want.
1:48:19>> Yeah, I just don't want to find out like
1:48:215 6 months after we
1:48:23>> Yeah, I don't want to have
1:48:25I don't want to have a shovel-ready
1:48:26project, but but it's in the hole for
1:48:28it.
1:48:31Um and so, you had mentioned uh
1:48:34settings referring this to the county.
1:48:36We did have our gateway meeting with
1:48:38Dennis Doyle a few weeks ago.
1:48:41No substantial comments came out of
1:48:43that. We learned about
1:48:45Dennis's personal feelings on brick.
1:48:48Uh
1:48:51That that was the most controversial
1:48:53thing out of there.
1:49:00>> They're just saying that
1:49:01personal
1:49:13>> Okay. So,
1:49:14where
1:49:16I can't hear you. I'm sorry, but I can't
1:49:17hear you.
1:49:18Did you hear me?
1:49:19Okay.
1:49:20>> he's going to be.
1:49:20>> Okay. So, we are making the visuals. Do
1:49:23you want to see visuals from the
1:49:27intersections
1:49:29of
1:49:29Plaza and Kenchway and looking towards
1:49:32the this project.
1:49:34>> Um this project alley and Kenchway
1:49:36>> Plaza alley and Kenchway and then up
1:49:38above from North Front Street looking
1:49:41down. Any any other
1:49:43>> I think I'd like to see it just kind of
1:49:45a sign with the one-story buildings.
1:49:47They're not as tall as six stories, but
1:49:49look compared next to
1:49:51>> Okay.
1:49:51>> You know, like Ryan and next You know
1:49:53what I'm saying? Like something where
1:49:55you can see the surrounding property.
1:49:58>> Yep.
1:50:01>> We can do the videos.
1:50:03>> Um I would do them in both night time
1:50:07and day time.
1:50:10I don't
1:50:11I think the night time particularly
1:50:12because if you're going to have the
1:50:14um
1:50:16top floor have that open
1:50:18>> air with the terrace restaurant
1:50:20>> the lights and how that might impact
1:50:23>> Yeah. We're also just in a doing um EGC
1:50:27as part of the ACR process. So, we are
1:50:28following the uh dark sky standards in
1:50:30the lighting. So, but as is worth
1:50:34probably making any kind of light still
1:50:35up. So,
1:50:37uh we've been They've been looking at
1:50:38the light poles through that as it So,
1:50:39we'll we'll
1:50:40give you some illustrations of that.
1:50:46>> I think we have it.
1:50:49You
1:50:49have it.
1:50:52No, we didn't.
1:50:53>> Mhm.
1:50:57>> I think we brought that in.
1:51:03>> Okay.
1:51:04>> Now, if everything goes to plan
1:51:08then if
1:51:10What are the [clears throat] timelines
1:51:11you guys are at?
1:51:13>> I think I will
1:51:14>> Sure.
1:51:15So, we have
1:51:18pretty aggressive design schedule. We're
1:51:20currently on pause until we get the
1:51:23feedback from the planning board, but
1:51:25when we resume, we'll be resuming with
1:51:28design development
1:51:29and we have a schedule that will get us
1:51:32to 100% CD drawings by the spring.
1:51:36In our conversations with HCR, we've
1:51:40been talking about a
1:51:43late summer closing and we have also
1:51:46been talking since this is a tax credit
1:51:48project, we need tax credit investor.
1:51:52We currently have a couple of
1:51:54investors who are interested and are
1:51:55holding us our project in their 2027
1:51:58pipeline.
1:51:59Tax credit equity has gotten very tight
1:52:01in the past couple of years and so we
1:52:04wouldn't be able to consider financial
1:52:05closing [clears throat] without also
1:52:06having that sort of piece lined up.
1:52:11And then we're underwriting a 30-month
1:52:14construction timeline, I believe.
1:52:20I'm sorry, the I think it's 24. I'm
1:52:23sorry, I'm completing projects.
1:52:25>> The fire chief did have some comments
1:52:27that I did upload. I don't know.
1:52:30You you should get notification when the
1:52:32>> We get them as well.
1:52:33>> Ours are being asserted.
1:52:34>> I just want to make sure you were okay
1:52:36because he had some height
1:52:38>> Yeah.
1:52:38>> complaints and
1:52:39>> We looked at that. I know that
1:52:41the minimum truck height is 16 ft. Our
1:52:45passer were holding 18 ft right now
1:52:48under the building itself. Uh but it
1:52:51does vary because of the slight grade
1:52:53change but it's always at like 16 ft 9
1:52:56to 17 ft and a half.
1:52:58Um and then there's a lot
1:53:00There's some room in there so we can
1:53:01play with the design of that. It's still
1:53:03in that development further.
1:53:04>> And we've been in contact with the
1:53:06chief.
1:53:07>> We've met with Chris and he actually
1:53:09asked for
1:53:12proposed swing gate. We So we did two
1:53:15parking spots there for now and
1:53:18cuz this is the fire department.
1:53:19>> Yes.
1:53:20>> Will the fire department there?
1:53:23And then the other comments were mostly
1:53:25regarding the building and alarm.
1:53:28>> Yeah, yeah, alarm.
1:53:29>> Fire alarm system.
1:53:31Okay, the commercial building space.
1:53:33>> I find that the layout is a
1:53:35>> I just want to make sure
1:53:36see those sitting there.
1:53:38>> Sometimes we don't know that we say we
1:53:41>> Yeah, you upload it and you open a
1:53:42notification.
1:53:43>> [laughter]
1:53:44>> Those things are always getting buried.
1:53:48So the referrals are going to be done by
1:53:49you or do you guys want to take care of
1:53:51and setting the public hearing? Do you
1:53:53know what day that will be but when we
1:53:56get here?
1:53:56>> Uh next meeting November
1:54:00I would say
1:54:0116.
1:54:03>> 16 October.
1:54:05>> November 16.
1:54:09November 16.
1:54:11Be our next meeting.
1:54:13>> You guys will be taking care of that or
1:54:15do you want me to I you guys take care
1:54:17of the notice of
1:54:17>> Yes, we will.
1:54:19Yeah.
1:54:21So that will be the public hearing.
1:54:29Do you have any comments on the sub
1:54:31notes that we sent?
1:54:32>> Um no, I think they were all pretty
1:54:34straightforward. So if there's anything
1:54:37that comes up as you develop
1:54:39>> Okay. We're I'm still pulling from
1:54:42water, sewer, and engineering. So as
1:54:46soon as we
1:54:46I'll make sure we try and get those to
1:54:48you as as possible.
1:54:49>> Okay.
1:54:51So you'll notice both right away when
1:54:52you begin the land then. Is that it?
1:54:55>> Yes.
1:56:15>> [laughter]

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