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0:04stand of Jesus.
0:28Okay.
0:29>> Good evening everyone and welcome to the
0:32city of Kingston planning board meeting.
0:34Uh my name is Suzanne Kaggel. I'm the
0:36planning director for the city of
0:37Kingston. Uh before we start the
0:40meeting, I just have a few quick
0:41announcements that I want to go over. If
0:43you do have a cell phone, I'm just going
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0:47that it doesn't interfere uh with any of
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1:27outside of the room uh so that you're
1:29not interfering with other discussions
1:31that are going on. With that, um I am
1:34going to turn it over to our standing
1:37chair, Matt Gillis, of this evening, to
1:39introduce the rest of the board members
1:42and staff that are presenting. Yeah.
1:44Well, good evening folks. Thank you. Um,
1:46so tonight we have planning board member
1:48Kairen Grande, uh, Vincent Archer, uh,
1:52Andrew Harris, and then Sue Kango, the
1:56planning director, Kyla Dbe, and then,
1:59uh, older person cats in the back.
2:03So,
2:05first item, uh, that the adoption of the
2:08September 22nd, 26th planning board
2:11meetings. Everyone's had a chance to
2:12review. Any additions, corrections?
2:17No. Motion to approve. Andrew Harris.
2:21All in favor?
2:23>> Second.
2:24>> I'll second. I
2:27>> All in favor? Okay, we are good. Uh we
2:31are going to shuffle a couple agenda
2:33items around just for efficiency this
2:36evening. Um
2:38back to it. Uh 409 East Chester Street.
2:43If you guys could come up to them.
2:49>> Yes. Thank you.
3:01Uh number 10. Yeah.
3:17Yeah, signing.
3:28>> Okay. Uh item 10 tonight, number 409
3:32East Chester Street. That's a major
3:34waiver request to increase the build to
3:37zone and decrease the rear yard setback.
3:40SPL48.75-9-1000
3:46uh seeker determination.
3:48That's
3:51>> it's type two.
3:52>> Type two. All right. Uh transex zone T3N
3:56ward 7 Winston and Tracy and Daly
3:59applicant owners.
4:02If you guys just quick intro for the
4:04record.
4:06>> I'm
4:08welcome.
4:10>> So you guys are seeking a building
4:12permit construction addition onto your
4:14home.
4:14>> Yes.
4:15>> Okay. Um
4:18so we have referred this to the uh
4:20zoning of horsemen. Uh two waiverss were
4:23identified due to the location of the
4:24addition. Just want to give us a quick
4:26overview of what you're looking to do.
4:29So the main thing that they wanted to do
4:31was put in a playroom. We're past the
4:33parents and um we have a nonverbal
4:39uh living room. We have him now for two
4:41years. Um he's artistic and he needs
4:46sensory input. So he's always moving
4:48jumping and the living room is about our
4:52current bedroom and there's no rest with
4:54us.
4:55>> Okay. So the main thing was to put in
4:57additional um playroom. Also my parents
5:00are living with us and the room they're
5:03now using is very small and my mom has
5:06arthritis. So we wanted to do a bigger
5:09room also. And so that's how we came up
5:13with the additions and then we decided
5:15to go one more room just in case if we
5:18have family members. So coming to visit
5:20stuff like that. Essentially what
5:23they're doing is they're following the
5:24current building form, you know, like
5:27the building lines versus having to
5:30bring it more towards the street which
5:33is a busy street and keeping it in line
5:36and just extending to the side.
5:38>> Yes.
5:45>> Okay.
5:46So where
5:48starting is ask the questions.
5:52>> So for our waiver checklist so board
5:56will go through these questions with a
5:58yes or no um to help make our
6:00determination. So the applicant has
6:03included a waiver request letter that
6:04clearly identifies and describes the
6:06waiver being proposed accompanied by
6:08plans and other vis visual
6:10representations that is applicable.
6:13>> Yes.
6:16Oh [clears throat] yes.
6:18>> Yes.
6:19>> Uh in their letter, the applicant
6:20describes in detail why the waiver is
6:23needed and how the waiver request is
6:25consistent with the intent, design, and
6:27compatibility of the transct zone in
6:29which the project is located.
6:32>> Yes. Yes.
6:37Will granting the waiver contribute to
6:39the realization of the overall intent of
6:41the transex zone that an approved
6:43project which will be an attractive
6:45durable contribution to the transex
6:47zone?
6:51>> Uh we have yes or no. Yes.
6:58>> Uh to support walkable neighborhoods
7:00andor mixeduse centers. The project
7:03emulates the neighborhood context for
7:05how far the building buildings relate to
7:08the sidewalk, how the saw is designated,
7:10and how the building interacts with the
7:12street.
7:15>> Yeah.
7:17>> Continuation.
7:21>> The project supports a green and
7:23resilient future. For example, by
7:25reducing vehicular miles traveled,
7:27providing green infrastructure and/or
7:28street trees and/or including
7:30highquality usable open space.
7:37Project supports incremental development
7:40patterns in its size and density and
7:42supports infill development or the reuse
7:44of existing buildings.
7:47>> Yeah. Yes. Yes, sir.
7:50The project supports the provision of a
7:52variety of housing types to support a
7:54range of income levels, age groups, and
7:56family units.
7:58>> Yep.
8:00>> The project specifies street design that
8:02is walkable, bikable, and will reinforce
8:04safe and comfortable environments for
8:07all users.
8:11>> Okay. So,
8:13>> looks like we're good for the waiver.
8:16>> Yep. Um so it is recogniz type two.
8:20>> Okay. This is a type two in seeker and
8:24then do we have to do a motion and
8:26>> yuction to approve the waiver.
8:28>> Who would like to make the motion?
8:30Andrew secondra.
8:32All in favor?
8:34>> I
8:34>> opposed.
8:36Passed.
8:40>> Thanks.
8:45Any questions? He's
8:5695 Wilson Avenue. Okay. He's come on up.
9:12>> Welcome. We can just get names for the
9:15record. Steve Schuma.
9:18Oh, they welcome.
9:24>> Okay.
9:26So, item 11, 95 Wilson Avenue, major
9:31waiver request to install a larger curve
9:33cut than permitted. Uh, SBL48.269-4-8.
9:40Seeker determination. Uh, it's typ.
9:43>> Yes.
9:43>> Okay. Transex zone T3N ward 6
9:48and a so pronunciation of your name
9:51>> I like the boom
9:53>> tweet and Steve Schoonmaker the
9:55applicant voters
9:58um the applicant is for a major waiver
10:00for section 405.16e3
10:03which limits the maximum curtain cut to
10:0610 ft for a single family home.
10:09Um remove the existing driveway to add a
10:12pool and fenced in yard. We're now
10:13looking to relocate the driveway to
10:15accommodate an off street space for the
10:17vehicles. Um, you guys just give us a
10:20quick overview.
10:22>> Sure. Um, we started this process a
10:25little over a year ago.
10:27Um, we installed the pool and we want to
10:30move the driveway 12 ft from the
10:32original area where it was.
10:36>> So, yeah, you see it was the driveway
10:38was kind of was more over towards the
10:40pool. So, we wanted to move the
10:42driveway. It would be if you were on
10:45Seavoy towards Wilson, about 12 feet
10:48over where Richland was. And, uh, you
10:52know, we're asking for reasonable
10:53accommodation because we'd have a adult
10:55son with autism.
10:57Um, we first initially applied for the
10:59permit. Um, they required us to get a
11:02survey, which we did do, but it's very
11:06confusing because
11:08in the emails we've had with the build
11:10code enforcement office,
11:13they said we didn't need a permit.
11:16And the DPW, we'd have to apply for a
11:19permit for them initially, which Mr.
11:22Kums came out I would say it was
11:24probably in June of last year and did a
11:27site survey and he said they see any
11:29issues with the driver beyond it wasn't
11:32as large as initial was you know where
11:34the driveway was to be moved and he
11:36didn't see a problem because it was from
11:38the curb it was 50 possibly fit the heat
11:40of the curbon Wilson
11:44um so we got a survey couldn't get a
11:46survey done until the beginning of this
11:48year and
11:50I am kind of dumbfounded why I had to
11:54even get a survey.
11:56Um it's contextual to the adjacent
11:59properties still have wise rocket waste.
12:02Some have been in recent years so it's
12:04not grandfathered. Some have been added
12:06on to consulted with some of the
12:08neighbors never had required to survey.
12:10But primarily, like I said, where we're
12:12doing the uh
12:14you know, alterations to our home is
12:16because of our our oldest son who's 23
12:18who has severe autism.
12:20>> And uh currently we're parked on the
12:22street and we haven't been able to do
12:24anything until we resolve this. And it's
12:26very unsafe.
12:28We, you know, for him to go out on the
12:30street because sometimes he they say,
12:32you know, getting in and out of the car,
12:34you know, century. Sometimes he he, you
12:37know, he has a little anxiety and
12:38everything. And we even actually had two
12:40letters thrown in our yard of complaints
12:43over the last, let's say, six months,
12:46you know, anonymous letters, you know,
12:47kind of really, you know, um, degrading
12:50us and stuff about your situation about,
12:52you know, parking on the street with a
12:54child, having a kid with a a child with
12:56a condition, you know, you're not a good
12:58parent. So, you know, uh we did consult
13:01with an attorney and of course they felt
13:04like we would be better off putting for
13:06a reasonable accommodation in to see if
13:08we can get this resolved. Okay.
13:11>> Basically, just so there's an understand
13:13so the board has a little bit of
13:15background, residential properties are
13:18allowed for 10T wide per cut. They're
13:20asking for a dice larger than typical
13:25would be for a normal residential use,
13:27but they did in their application also
13:29provide representative examples of other
13:33properties within close proximity that
13:35have the same type of double wide
13:37driveways. So, we pretty standard ask
13:46Let's
13:52see. Any issue with not approving this?
13:56Okay. So, we need to just go through the
13:58checklist,
13:58>> right?
14:18Okay.
14:20>> The applicant has included a waiver
14:22request letter that clearly identifies
14:24and describes the waiver being proposed
14:25accompanied by plans and other visual
14:27representations as applicable.
14:30>> Yes.
14:31>> Yes.
14:33Uh in their letter, the applicant
14:35describes in detail why the waiver is
14:37needed and how the waiver request is
14:39consistent with the intent, design, and
14:41compatibility of the transsect zone in
14:43which the project is located?
14:45>> Yes.
14:45>> Yes.
14:47>> Uh will granting the waiver contribute
14:49to the realization of the overall intent
14:51of the transct zone and result in
14:53approved project which will be an
14:55attractive and durable contribution to
14:57the transex zone?
15:00>> Yes.
15:03To support walkable neighborhoods and/or
15:05mixed use centers, the project emulates
15:07the neighborhood context for how the
15:09building buildings relate to the
15:10sidewalk, how the facade is designed,
15:12and how the building interacts with the
15:14street.
15:15>> Nice.
15:17>> I'm not done on that, but
15:19yes.
15:22Uh the project supports a green and
15:24resilient future uh by for example
15:27reducing vehicular miles traveled,
15:29providing green infrastructure and/or
15:31street trees andor including high
15:33quality usable open space.
15:37>> Not ethical.
15:38>> Yeah.
15:40>> Uh the project supports incremental
15:43development patterns in its size and
15:44density and supports an infill
15:46development or the reuse of existing
15:48buildings.
15:56Project supports the provision of a
15:57variety of housing types to support a
16:00range of income levels, age groups, and
16:02family units.
16:05>> Project specifies street design that is
16:07walkable, bikable, and will reinforce
16:09safe and comfortable environments for
16:11all users.
16:13>> Yes.
16:15>> Yes.
16:19Oops.
16:20>> I got one vote for each.
16:21>> So you're not clickable
16:24or see
16:29how
16:29>> I think it's okay.
16:31>> You think it's non?
16:33>> Well, you're no. The reason why I said
16:35last is because it's
16:38the only person that's not
16:40[clears throat] able to
16:44be safe and use the environment
16:47comfortably is their son. So this would
16:50include him
16:52and therefore it would be
16:55specific to the walkable
16:58area which is in her cut on the
17:00sidewalk.
17:06>> So you're going to have to take a vote
17:09of
17:11the total overall waiver.
17:18>> Okay. So, um I guess we're going to do a
17:21board vote and then approve the waiver.
17:25>> Make a motion.
17:26>> Make a motion um to approve this waiver.
17:31>> Second.
17:31>> Second.
17:32>> Okay. All right. I
17:34>> I
17:40Okay. So, it's approved.
17:57Hey, maybe
18:08>> uh item number two, 370 Albany Avenue,
18:13public hearing for administrative
18:14Special permit renewal to operate a car
18:16wash.
18:18Is anyone here for 370?
18:22>> Anybody's here to speak?
18:23>> Oh, to speak on 370. All they have
18:31to
18:32>> make a motion.
18:34>> Y motion to close the public hearing at
18:37370. And your second
18:40motion then second.
18:55>> All righty.
19:05All right. 713 Gerald Street,
19:08subdivision of the lands of Travis
19:09Meyers, SPL56357-14-210,
19:16seek of a termination type 2, transect
19:18zone T4N, W 7. Um,
19:23Travis Myers, applicant owner,
19:26is anyone here for 713 Gerald Street?
19:35Vat funding. So, um, basically what this
19:39one is, if if you recall, um, about a
19:43year or so ago, we reviewed a
19:46application to combine your parcels into
19:48one. We had a proposal to develop a four
19:52unit rowhouse type of structure. Um,
19:56financially that has economically become
19:59unfeasible for him. So he is now
20:03reverting back wanting to separate the
20:05parcels again. He's going to sell one
20:07off and retain the other. It's pretty
20:10straightforward.
20:11>> Pretty simple.
20:15Any questions from the board?
20:19>> This is unlisted.
20:23>> So
20:26make a motion to
20:30action. So this is an unlisted action.
20:46to accept that.
20:48>> This looks to be in order. Um make a
20:51motion to accept the short environmental
20:54assessment form. Vince Andrew second.
20:58All approved.
21:00Opposed. Okay.
21:05Sign up.
21:21Thank you.
21:26So any are there any questions on this
21:29line? Okay.
21:32So you will need five paper copies, one
21:36by
21:39final written in descriptions
21:42for um
21:45becoming signed and we will need
21:49uh the owner signature
21:53before the chairman and sign up
21:58l
22:00and for policy Yes.
22:02>> Okay.
22:13>> Um motion to approve this.
22:16Andrew second.
22:20All in favor? Opposed? All right. It's
22:23passed.
22:29>> Okay. 79 Journ Street.
22:34Um, so good evening. Hang on one sec.
22:38So, this is a subdivision of lands of uh
22:43three FFR LLC and a major waiver for
22:46rear yard set SPL56.42-14-21
22:52uh seeker determination type two.
22:56>> It's correct. Transex Oh, I'm listed.
22:59Sorry.
23:00Transex zone T4N ward 8 Michael Veterary
23:04applicant uh 3 FFR is the owner.
23:09>> Welcome back.
23:10>> Thank you. And just quick name for the
23:12record. Mike Ferry surveyor. I'm
23:15representing the Fras and 3 FFR LLC. Uh
23:18we have two homes situated on one lot on
23:22the corner of German and Ridge. Um
23:26pictures of the homes here. here. I know
23:28you guys have them in the application,
23:29but obviously we have fronting on German
23:33and then we have the brick home fronting
23:34on ridge. I had to tried to get some
23:36decent pictures here to show the spacing
23:38and so on, but they are in the
23:39application. Um, so we're trying to
23:43separate the two houses into separate
23:45deed lots. Uh, we come into a few things
23:48that um, not only the planning
23:50department but the building department
23:52um is interested in, including the
23:54spacing between the structures. uh being
23:56a building department related item, the
23:59offset to the rear of the building,
24:01being a waiver related mathematical
24:04item. Uh but we are with in terms of our
24:07lock coverage, we are um you know, we're
24:10good to go. We don't we don't we're not
24:12even close to the lock coverage um
24:16percentages.
24:17Um we've designed the new line to meet
24:20all of the 5-ft spread as required by
24:23the building department. Uh we've
24:26created an easement to bring utilities
24:29into the brick rear structure.
24:32Uh we are seeking the variance aka
24:35waiver for the rear um
24:40yard setback and otherwise
24:44um we are you know looking to get some
24:46type of uh two separate deed homes uh
24:51each having different frontage brick
24:52home fronting on street with the front
24:54facing street German obviously facing
24:57German street uh so they already have a
25:00a view of being separate ated. We're
25:02just trying to officially separate them.
25:06Um, and that is basically the gist of
25:10the story.
25:13>> I'm just going to talk about the
25:14easement that is going to be required as
25:16well, Mike,
25:18>> for the the utility easement. Yeah. So,
25:21in order for us to get the 5-ft spread,
25:24uh, we have to have an easement for the
25:26gas to um connect to the brick
25:30structure. We're obviously close in this
25:32area here. Um, and there's a picture of
25:35that area. Um, well defined in the
25:38application looking down between the
25:40structures. Um,
25:44small easement. Um, you know, L6 is on
25:50here is uh, you know, they're small
25:52distances. L4 being 21 ft. So, it's
25:55roughly 20 by 5t on one end. So, it's
26:00maybe 100 square ft,
26:03125 ft max.
26:12Questions from the board.
26:15>> Is it a new utility pool or exist?
26:18>> No, that's an underline. That's an
26:19underground gas line. That's probably
26:21from the, you know, the 80s, 70s, 80s
26:24when the gas went in.
26:27No, I was talking about the utility
26:28pole.
26:29>> Oh, the utility pole.
26:30>> Yeah.
26:31>> Um, no, that's been there. That's how
26:33they've always got electric. And that
26:34actually really doesn't come into play.
26:36Luckily for us, the the the overhead
26:38utilities are already well split. The
26:41only item that we have is the
26:43underground gas that requires an
26:45easement through lot two to attach to
26:47lot one.
27:06relatively straight.
27:09>> Okay.
27:10And you do need to do the waiver check
27:14set back
27:16just so you understand it's a 10 foot
27:19rear setback and so in making the United
27:27Street
27:31versus the T. Also, one thing to uh
27:35speak on on the waiver is um in terms of
27:37contextual for that neighborhood, 10
27:41foot would be less contextual than what
27:43we're asking for based upon the fact
27:46that the Delaware and Hudson canal lots
27:47are obviously very congested. You know,
27:49the houses are some of them are are in
27:52this neighborhood. There are many
27:53structures which are party ball lines.
27:55So, there's no setbacks whatsoever. So,
27:58in terms of the overall look and
28:01context, um, this fits with the overall
28:04look of the neighborhood. There's
28:06nothing outlined here that's saying, "Oh
28:07my god, there's only a short amount."
28:09Everything is a short amount in that
28:11neighborhood, specifically those few
28:13streets in that block. Uh, you have some
28:15tight buildings in there. Um, that's
28:18probably how they got built together on
28:20one lot in the first place.
28:23So the one of the houses faces here and
28:27one of them faces here and so the line
28:31is the correct or the setback is coming
28:35in here and it's been indicated by fire
28:38department that's make them safely.
28:43[clears throat]
28:44>> So just to give you a better idea also
28:46like here I know you're talking about
28:48the front. So here's the picture of the
28:50house fronting on German. So we have
28:52this white frame structure here is the
28:54house fronting on ridge the brick
28:56structure and then this is the spacing
28:59between. So we have a 5ft spread coming
29:01down through here to get these two. So
29:03there's still walkable area on both
29:05sides of the boundary line. And that
29:07easement that I show is right here going
29:09in. The gas line comes in. You can see
29:11the gas meter on the house right there.
29:13>> And then this is actually our
29:15neighboring house right here. So again,
29:17the lots are tight in this area. Um but
29:20that is these are the does
29:22>> that have anything to do with it being a
29:23dead end?
29:24>> No, that's just that's a separately
29:27separate deed in property on the end of
29:28the block.
29:31>> That is just potential any
29:35system.
29:42All right. The applicant has included a
29:44waiver request that clearly identifies
29:46and describes the waiver being proposed
29:49accompanied by plans and other visual
29:51representations as applicable.
29:54>> Yes.
29:56>> In their letter, the applicant describes
29:58in detail why the waiver is needed and
30:00how the waiver request is consistent
30:02with the intent, design, and
30:03compatibility of the transsect zone in
30:06which the project is located.
30:08>> Yes.
30:08>> Yes.
30:10Will granting the waiver contribute to
30:12the realization of the overall intent of
30:14the transex zone and result in improved
30:17project which will be an attractive and
30:19durable contribution to the transex
30:21zone.
30:24Okay.
30:28>> To support walkable neighborhoods and or
30:30mixed use centers. The project emulates
30:32the neighborhood context for how far the
30:34building buildings relate to the
30:36sidewalk, how the facade is designed,
30:39and how the building interacts with the
30:41street.
30:44>> Yeah, these are existing.
30:46>> Yes. project supports a green and
30:49resilient future by for example reducing
30:52vehicular miles traveled, providing
30:54green infrastructure, indoor street
30:55trees and/or including high quality
30:58usable open space and
31:03project supports development patterns
31:05such as size and density and supports
31:07infill development or the reuse of
31:09existing buildings.
31:13project supports the provision of a
31:15variety of housing types to support a
31:17range of income levels, age groups, and
31:20family units.
31:24Project specifies street design that is
31:26walkable, bikable, and will reinforce
31:29safe and comfort comfortable
31:31environments for all users.
31:36>> Okay. So that approved.
31:42>> I will point out one thing. I don't have
31:44a policy six on this map. Uh just as
31:47it's been going back and forth between
31:48the building and planning department,
31:50but we'll add that as we get more.
31:53So
31:56with uh
32:04this looks to be completion
32:09[clears throat]
32:15to accept the short environmental
32:17assessment board.
32:18>> Make a motion to accept.
32:20>> I second. Vince.
32:23All in favor?
32:25Opposed?
32:41And then um so the motion would be for
32:46uh approval of the line on the
32:49subdivision with board policy six
32:52including the major waiver with their
32:54setback uh submission of five paper and
32:57one line copies uh written descriptions
33:01for filing including the easements uh
33:03within in those descriptions and all
33:06signed by the owner before the
33:07chairman's signature.
33:11>> Motion
33:14second
33:18all approved.
33:22>> Okay.
33:22>> Good.
33:23>> So, thank you. And Sue, if you want to,
33:26you know, in when you have time in an
33:27email or whatever, um, lead me to where
33:30you want me to go next. I know we talked
33:31about the building department having to
33:34approve of of the subdivision after the
33:36subdivision approved. So, um if it's
33:39dropping these off or an email copy or
33:41whatever to get teaching moving forward,
33:43please advise.
33:45>> Thank you everybody.
33:46>> Thank you.
33:47>> Have a good night.
33:53>> All righty. So,
33:56>> yep. So item five, 298 to 300, 302 to
34:00318, 392 to 306 Old Boulevard, 262
34:05Boulevard, 43 to75 Albert Street
34:08extension, 308 to 318
34:12uh R Boulevard, 45 to 49 Condi Street,
34:16lot line revision to combine seven lots
34:19into three, SPL56.48-2-700
34:2248-2-7.100
34:25and 7.200 200
34:288 9 1000
34:3211 and 12 secret of termination
34:37type two transex zone T3 N-0 war 9 P and
34:43D group LLC is the applicant owner so
34:47>> good evening
34:48>> welcome Paul Arios uh from Baneer and
34:51Arios our firm I'm representing the
34:53applicant Jaffer of the D&D group.
34:57>> Um, our firm did the survey and
34:59subdivision work.
35:01>> He's putting it up.
35:04>> I don't know [clears throat] if that
35:06wants these.
35:07>> They have them in their notes. So,
35:27They do have a copy in my house. Do you
35:29want to start? It's just
35:31>> So the owner applicant uh owns a total
35:34of eight lots here uh adjacent lots. One
35:38of them uh this one here that fronts 32
35:42will remain the same. Uh the other seven
35:44lots will be essentially consolidated
35:48into three lots for a total of four
35:51total lots
35:53uh essentially to accommodate for
35:56potential future development of uh these
35:59lower lots.
36:01Uh I believe we're seeking two major
36:04waiverss
36:05uh for exceeding the maximum lot width
36:08and lot depth.
36:10These dimensions were already
36:14exceeding the lot width and depth as in
36:18their current state. But as the go of
36:20creating the new lots under the new
36:22zone, the waiver is required.
36:30>> So they existed
36:32outside what is current names on each
36:36other. Correct. Well, there's multiple
36:38laws. So what they're doing is kind of
36:42shifting property lines, consolidating
36:45from 7 to three,
36:47>> right? Um the if you're familiar with
36:51the location where uh Denver Electric is
36:54located um the business will stay
36:58primarily they're consolidating those
37:00upper lots on the top portion
37:04>> be deleting lot lines here
37:06>> and then
37:08>> and down below they're shifting one over
37:10to create two new lots that will be
37:14primarily I guess developed as
37:16residential new resial housing parcels.
37:24So, they'll be accessed off of book
37:26Albert and Condandy Street.
37:33>> So, the the the waiver ask is based on
37:39>> the current lots do exceed that wick and
37:42depth. Um, so it's not really u it's
37:46it's not like the subdivision uh made
37:49these lots much larger.
37:51>> So the poor the poorbased code has
37:54maximum depth and maximum widths, right?
37:58And so just by shifting a line it could
38:02be two of those dimensional
38:05requirements. So they do the the
38:08waiverss in order to exceed those
38:10dimensional requirements on the lower
38:12portion
38:14>> but it's just in relation to the actual
38:15property. It's not because of the
38:17structure.
38:18>> Correct. Yeah. There's no structures
38:20where they are going to be new
38:21buildings, new houses. So if you out of
38:25an existing
38:27line that now falls under
38:32not being compliant under the formbbased
38:35code now what would be the issue in
38:37making it compliant with the current
38:40form based code
38:44>> meet multiple small
38:47>> I think because they're combining
38:49parcels
38:50>> they're adding they're adding properties
38:53together, we're creating larger two
38:56larger parcels on the lower section and
38:59one parcel on the upper section. So by
39:02combining all of the properties
39:04together, the lower the lower parcels
39:06exceed the dimensions.
39:09>> Yeah. Cuz it's 100 ft wide.
39:11>> It's the it's just the nature of the the
39:14property.
39:16>> Yeah.
39:18>> Very large. Yeah.
39:21And then the depth is 180 ft. This goes
39:24past those because of taking multiple
39:27small combiners. I told fewer larger
39:30lots
39:37>> questions
39:41the checklist.
39:43>> Yes, you should.
39:50No, I only want do we?
39:53>> Yeah. One for both because they're both
39:55dimensional.
39:57>> All righty. Uh, the applicant has
40:00included a waiver request that clearly
40:02identifies and describes the waiver
40:04being proposed accompanied by plans and
40:06other visual representations as
40:08applicable.
40:09>> Yes.
40:11In their letter, the applicant describes
40:13in detail why the waiver is needed and
40:15how the waiver request is consistent
40:17with the intent, design, the
40:19compatibility of the transex zone in
40:21which the project is located?
40:23>> Yes.
40:26>> Granting the waiver will granting the
40:29waiver contribute to the realization of
40:30the overall intent of the transct zone
40:32and result in an improved project which
40:35will be an attractive and durable
40:36contribution to the transct zone.
40:40Yes.
40:42>> To support walkable neighborhoods and or
40:44mixed use centers, the project emulates
40:47the neighborhood context for how far the
40:49building buildings relate to the
40:51sidewalk, how the facade is designed,
40:53and how the building interacts with the
40:54street.
40:58Project supports green and resilient
40:59future by for example reducing vehicular
41:02miles traveled, providing green
41:04infrastructure and/or street trees
41:06and/or including high quality usable
41:08open space.
41:13>> Project supports incremental development
41:16patterns in its size and density and
41:18supports infill development for the
41:20reuse of existing buildings.
41:24>> Yes.
41:26your prices
41:31usually just the building. It's one
41:33building.
41:34>> It's or though
41:35>> is that
41:36>> it's um
41:38supports infield development or reuse of
41:41existing.
41:42>> Yes.
41:45>> Project supports the provision of a
41:47variety of housing types to support a
41:49range of income levels, age groups, and
41:52family units.
41:55project specifies street design that is
41:57walkable, bikable, and will reinforce
41:59safe and comfortable environments for
42:01all users.
42:08>> So that's approved. So now motion to
42:11accept.
42:12>> All right. Motion, Andrew. Who would
42:15like to second? Vince.
42:18Um
42:20all in favor? No opposed?
42:25This cast
42:42almost there.
42:54I think five
43:00policy six
43:03um and the waivers approved um regard by
43:08paper copies my uh written instructions
43:12will need to be submitted and the result
43:14parcels and the final will need to be
43:17signed by the own chairman and then by
43:21the planning board with all the
43:25>> paper.
43:32>> Okay. So, a motion kind
43:36Andrew. All in favor? Opposed?
43:50Second off
44:26Up next, item 6, 40 Thomas Street,
44:30public hearing for administrative
44:31special permit renewal to operate an
44:34emergency shelter SPL56.25-4-44.
44:40Seeker determination miss
44:42>> type two
44:43>> type two transex zone T5F ward 5 family
44:48Woodstock applicant owner
44:51so
44:52>> this is basically public hearing that
44:55you're holding um no one
44:59>> anyone have to speak
45:04>> hearing is now closed
45:08okay
45:10Okay.
45:11>> All right. Item number seven, 25 Fields
45:14Court site plan and waiverss to
45:17construct a miss mixed use building with
45:20commercial on the ground floor and
45:22residential above SPL56.25-3-25
45:28secret of termination. This one suit
45:33this will be
45:36>> this will be a type two seeker
45:38determination transex zone T5F ward 4
45:42teeth libold applicant city of Kingston
45:45owner.
45:46So welcome votes.
45:48>> It's public hearing. So there's anybody
45:50from the public that wants to speak on
45:52this?
46:02Mike.
46:05[laughter]
46:07>> Okay. If we could introductions for the
46:10record, please.
46:11>> Sure. Good evening. My name is Michael
46:12Lante. I'm the product engineer for this
46:14application for the board and I'm here
46:16with Mr.
46:18Development team.
46:19>> Okay.
46:21>> She's online. Is she going to
46:25>> She is. She can. She she's
46:28>> here and I'm happy to share screen by
46:31these two. I'm not sure what what
46:33everyone prefers.
46:39>> Welcome folks. Would you like to just
46:41walk us through?
46:42>> Sure. Um I brought hard copies
46:46on screen. You want to bring up the
46:49site?
47:03Can everyone see the screen?
47:05>> Yeah,
47:06>> that's great.
47:08>> Okay, so as you noted earlier, uh the
47:11site location is 25 Field Court. It's at
47:13the end of Field Court on this side and
47:16near the intersection of O'Neal Street,
47:18Midtown Linear Park at that location. Um
47:21the existing site actually consists of
47:23an abandoned commercial building. Um the
47:26entire site is paved or impervious
47:30through use of the building. Uh we're in
47:32the T5 um flex zone for this particular
47:35project and we're proposing 71 units
47:38with five stories. It's got an attic and
47:40a partial basin. Uh we are seeking uh
47:43waiverss uh as a part of this project.
47:4640516
47:48E3, 40516F,
47:50and 4056DJ
47:53respectively. We're also proposing um 35
47:57parking spaces. Stands, you can stay on
47:59the site there pretty much. Um we're
48:01proposing 35 parking spaces and we've
48:04designed stormwater detention areas in
48:07this portion of the lot and under the
48:09parking space over here and that portion
48:12of the lot. Um so outside of those
48:14waiverss that we're requesting, it
48:15appears that the project's fully zoning
48:17compliant.
48:19Um we prepared landscaping plan,
48:22lighting plan, broader details that go
48:25along with it.
48:27That's basically the project in a nutsh
48:33meeting and then incorporate the
48:35comments from the last meeting and this
48:36meeting and have those turned fairly
48:38quickly. you've addressed most of what
48:41percent
48:43or
48:44>> so you got your staff's comments back
48:47and obviously we just received the
48:50county board comments
48:53you've seen those
48:55um they've been posted online as well so
49:00have you had a chance to take a look at
49:03them and give consideration or any
49:06thoughts on I know one of them was
49:08pedestrian and access egress be for to
49:13me street. Another one was to um and I
49:17don't know this had an opportunity to
49:19look at those as well. that came in
49:20Friday.
49:21>> But another one was to provide for some
49:24additional uh visual um concept uh
49:30drawings to show the evening and daytime
49:34and shadowing um impacts that could
49:37potentially lead to the um green line
49:40along the halfway there. Um as you look
49:44at that,
49:44>> well, I thought we kind of submitted
49:46that. I was a little confused by that
49:47when we taught it because we gave the
49:49visuals of all four sides of the
49:51building and we gave visuals of sort of
49:54a sunset. It will
49:55>> I remember that.
49:56>> Yeah. and it will cast a shadow at
49:58certain times of the day. And so
50:01>> it's right up against the
50:03>> I think one of the things that the board
50:05is going to be interested in seeing are
50:08um a little bit more of the
50:10architectural detail in to the visual
50:15simulations as well as some nighttime
50:17renderings.
50:19um some of the the renderings that were
50:21provided you know leave a lot of
50:24question about window treatments and and
50:27materials
50:28um and that so I think a little bit more
50:32detail on those would be helpful in a
50:35planning evaluation in terms of what
50:38it's going to look like from different
50:40vantage points not only from the rail
50:43line but from the adjoining streetscape
50:46um would be good
50:47>> what I'd like to do is provide But um
50:49you know it doesn't render the the
50:51building details well when you reduce
50:53the scale so much. So I blew it up and
50:56maybe if I showed you a section of each
50:58so you can kind of get a feel for the
51:00actual
51:01>> Yeah. See like the cortises the sills
51:04the lentils they're building material up
51:07facade but just those little details.
51:10>> No I understand we were just talking
51:12about that today that you really you
51:14can't you just can't see that scale. Uh
51:17the first floor is planned to be brick
51:18and then the up floors would be various
51:20types of concrete siding and even the
51:24color. There's variations throughout
51:25that two-tone, three tone, whatnot.
51:28>> Yeah,
51:29>> I think a night a nightcape or night.
51:31>> You want a nightcape as well?
51:33>> Yeah, I think so.
51:33>> We did one there's one rendering of uh
51:36we did at sunset
51:39of the main night. I see.
51:41>> Hey Stannis, do we have that one
51:42rendering that shows the building at
51:44sunset at the entrance? Yeah, we
51:47actually have [snorts] we did uh daytime
51:50and nighttime views for each view.
51:54>> Yeah. I think the problem is at that
51:56scale we can't see they can't see the
51:58details of them.
51:59>> Yeah. So in that in that rendering there
52:02like the the windows just like black.
52:06>> No, I understand.
52:07>> They don't.
52:08>> Yeah.
52:10Yep.
52:15>> Yeah. And the color changes are subtle.
52:17It doesn't it doesn't render well on
52:19this. Um can you go up one, Standish?
52:23We didn't do virtual renderings of
52:25different color patterns, but there is a
52:27few different uh
52:29>> so I also think putting putting the
52:32project into the context of the
52:36neighborhood and the enjoying buildings
52:38rather than having it as a standalone
52:42type of
52:42>> Yeah. Okay.
52:44>> visual. [snorts]
52:45um would be helpful.
52:52>> Well, again, I wanted to hear that
52:55tonight. That's going to be a very
52:57specific shape to that. the rest of the
53:01elements including
53:04>> should have
53:07>> I think the light from the building is
53:08actually going to help that part of
53:11Broadway because on Broadway is so
53:13bright but then just right back it's
53:17very dark. So
53:21seeing it from that perspective too is
53:23only going to show and demonstrate what
53:25kind of difference there is with all
53:27that additional light.
53:34Yeah.
53:36>> Can you go back to the plan?
53:49Now with during construction, what's the
53:52plan for staging materials?
53:55How do you anticipate that? Well, sure.
53:59We're going to utilize the uh parking
54:01area, stage materials, and then once the
54:04building's up, we'll then focus on
54:07building the parking area out the
54:09construction work. goes in parking mis.
54:13>> You also have this open area back here
54:15which before the structure goes up can
54:17store materials as well
54:22>> security. What do you have planned for
54:24that?
54:25>> Um we have to fence the site in and we
54:27have to we'll have some cameras up which
54:29are far
54:34twice so can have those.
54:37>> Okay. But we will have a we're going to
54:39do a just a plan in which we've gusted
54:42still plan on the show staging. I mean
54:45it's kind of easy on this site because
54:46it's already
54:48so you know we kind of have a nice
54:51surface.
54:52>> Yeah. Jump start because you know you
54:55use the aring areas lay down the arc for
54:57the building and then as the building
54:59goes up um you'll switch over and do the
55:02site work when they finish the inside of
55:04the building. So with most of your
55:06activity going on to field port um with
55:10construction and this presuming most of
55:13your materials and and the construction
55:15activity will get in and out of field
55:17boards. How are you thinking of any
55:21traffic control um at Broadway because
55:24that's that's a tough exit out there for
55:29traffic signal
55:30>> normal traffic and like we're going to
55:32have larger vehicles and construction
55:34vehicles going in and out. Do you have
55:38any thoughts about that?
55:40>> We'll look at it. We plan no more than
55:43two deliveries a day. So I don't I don't
55:45think that's going to be a huge impact.
55:47we can
55:48>> once the foundation's in place um the
55:52the oneway lane going through O'Neal
55:54will be open so we'll have during
55:57construction that can be that can go in
55:59either direction so we'll have the
56:01ability to come to that line
56:04>> um if you know if there is if there is
56:07an occasional long body truck that has
56:10to get in there it's probably going to
56:11want to come on that O'Neal side and
56:13we'll have to shuttle things like
56:15>> okay
56:16>> wood six would come in on that side of
56:18the building.
56:20And then we had talked to you about the
56:22parking um supply and demand reduction
56:26strategy working on that
56:27>> is being completed with
56:30>> okay
56:32existing studies in town to that study
56:35and those solutions
56:39>> the existing union that's happen court
56:42including the pickle ball is that going
56:45to be something that's going to have to
56:47come to halt for two years while this is
56:48be developed or is there a way for them
56:50to paint those programs?
56:52>> I hope
56:54>> I know that the heart
56:56is
56:57>> heart of Midtown happens on field and
57:00then also the pickle balls becoming more
57:03popular.
57:04>> Yeah.
57:05>> Yeah. We did want to talk about I think
57:07that third entrance tonight
57:10court. Um, we were wanting to have that
57:13be a dual entrance, but a safety
57:16entrance for snow removal in the winter
57:18if we have to duck snow off the site.
57:20Um, because there isn't a lot of snow
57:22load here. And um, in in case we get a
57:27an accident or something that prevents
57:30the access onto O'Neal, you had a way to
57:33circute
57:37that. It's funny. We thought I I thought
57:40we had discussed that early on that was
57:42something the board was openly
57:44considering. I had to remove it, but
57:48um it's it's important from access
57:51standpoint. Yeah.
57:52>> Alone because otherwise we literally
57:54have one way traffic through the site.
57:56So one way is never the safest. I mean,
57:59it would be the best if we could put
58:00some type of a, you know, gate with a
58:02bar that raises um so that if we need to
58:05have um residents or anyone that exits
58:07the site and moving lead out of O'Neal,
58:10we can get out the field court as well.
58:11And then also, as Keith noted, it
58:14assists us in a little bit
58:20as far as the parking landscape. Um,
58:23would the board like to see a like a
58:27stone wall along the field horn face
58:30along the green sections
58:32to
58:34that way? We could come up with like a
58:3630-inch wall with stone face and a cap
58:38that would be at least double as a
58:40sitting bench as well as a
58:42>> say in in terms of combining those
58:46activities that generally take place
58:48there the general public. It might be
58:50nice to maybe incorporate your, you
58:52know, combination of the seating element
58:55with with your landscaping
58:58uh requirement to, you know,
59:00>> what sort of what would you see along
59:03here? Cuz we we were thinking about
59:04doing like where these green spaces are
59:09uh here, here, and here. Doing a like a
59:14concrete wall and stone veneer path and
59:16it would be like a sitting bench. So,
59:19it's going to be great.
59:20>> Kind of acts as a a visual break. It
59:23meets the
59:24>> desire of the code,
59:26>> but it's also very functional. People
59:28are there. They can actually just sit on
59:29it,
59:30>> especially if they're picking and feel.
59:32>> Yeah.
59:34>> You could also have like a a trash
59:36receptacle to the people there playing,
59:38but ultimately have something to throw
59:40away. It's not worth to just have a
59:43meeting in Sky.
59:46>> There were um some comments
59:48>> the need for that waiver.
59:51>> Yeah.
59:51>> Okay. Yeah.
59:52>> Yeah. Yeah.
59:53>> So, there were some comments received
59:55from the CC as well.
59:57>> I saw that.
59:58>> You saw those as well. So, we're going
59:59to need to have them address those.
1:00:02>> Sure.
1:00:02>> Um in your final response for for
1:00:04November meetings.
1:00:05>> Okay. Um what one of the other parking
1:00:08comments was the the setback from the
1:00:10parking from the property le 2 ft versus
1:00:125t. Um that is a waiver we'd be seeking
1:00:15because I think it allows us an extra 1
1:00:192 3 four parking spaces
1:00:21>> and there's already a shortage of
1:00:22parking in the city of the site. So, um
1:00:25it's a it's a small waiver request from
1:00:272 ft to 5 ft plus. I think the addition
1:00:29of this um landscape wall will provide a
1:00:34nice separation between the parking lot
1:00:36um and field court which will add to the
1:00:38I think board's consideration of that
1:00:40later.
1:00:45We spoke with the landscape architect
1:00:47seeing what work heard before they
1:00:50started their on
1:00:53>> right
1:00:54>> together.
1:00:56>> Yeah, I believe he's working with Korean
1:00:59>> on final plan.
1:01:00>> Yeah,
1:01:01>> the third the third wave I think was the
1:01:03elevation difference between the first
1:01:05floor
1:01:06>> I mean
1:01:06>> and the grade. Yeah,
1:01:08>> the accepted. Okay. So, I didn't discuss
1:01:10that, but just from an ADA entrance
1:01:12compliance, we'd absolutely move that.
1:01:21>> I guess you want us to continue to
1:01:22pursue with the extra curve cut
1:01:26>> with the
1:01:28>> what?
1:01:29>> The extra curve cut will remain, but
1:01:30we'll have a gate for emergency access.
1:01:32That's my
1:01:34>> How does the board feel about that
1:01:36though?
1:01:37Well, the word there still is going to
1:01:39be a waiver for the second curve.
1:01:41>> Yes.
1:01:41>> Yeah. Yes.
1:01:45>> Yeah. I think maybe not a lot easier
1:01:48just and still retains access.
1:01:51>> Yeah.
1:01:51>> I think it's the best of the reports.
1:01:54>> I agree.
1:01:56Okay.
1:02:02The board have any other questions?
1:02:11comments between the city engineer at
1:02:13the end of
1:02:14>> I sent him an email today reminding him
1:02:17that we are looking for his comments. So
1:02:20hopefully I will keep pushing you
1:02:24>> but yeah
1:02:24>> I said about peing at the end. Yeah. And
1:02:27uh I mean the water department has
1:02:29essentially looked at your drawings GPW
1:02:33revision. So you've gotten their
1:02:35feedback
1:02:37and
1:02:42>> board have any other comments?
1:02:44>> What else?
1:02:47>> Okay. So anything
1:02:49about the marching voters?
1:02:51>> Are we leaving the public open?
1:02:55>> Sorry. Are they leaving the public
1:02:56hearing open?
1:02:58>> Um,
1:03:00do you want to leave the public hearing
1:03:02open or do you want to close it?
1:03:04>> I would leave it open.
1:03:06>> Yeah.
1:03:06>> Okay. I would leave it open for now.
1:03:08>> Okay.
1:03:12[clears throat]
1:03:14>> So,
1:03:17what's
1:03:27Motion.
1:03:28Make
1:03:29>> motion to table this and keep the public
1:03:31hearing open until next moment. Andrew's
1:03:33motion. Second. Kyra.
1:03:37All in favor? Opposed.
1:03:40Okay.
1:03:48>> And at the time of the 76.
1:03:51>> Okay. Right. Thank you.
1:03:54Thank you.
1:04:07>> And let the record show that saved you.
1:04:10New Kirk has arrived. Will be
1:04:12participating.
1:04:15>> Don't lose our time. Go away again.
1:04:19>> Did they win? They won. One to zero.
1:04:22We're not
1:04:24>> correct
1:04:35or something.
1:04:45Number eight.
1:04:57Okay. Item number 8, 350 Broadway site
1:05:00plan to construct an addition to an
1:05:02existing building and establish 10
1:05:03residential units. SPL56.26.11-4900
1:05:10seeker determinations.
1:05:13So
1:05:14>> this one is I think T2
1:05:18uh Transexo T5 MS W9 Diane Chen is the
1:05:24applicant 350 Broadway Kingman LLC owner
1:05:28welcomes
1:05:30we just names for the record please.
1:05:31Good evening, Dian Chen. As we said, um
1:05:35here's Mike Shiloh, my GC builder. So,
1:05:39I'm going to turn everything over to
1:05:41him. [laughter]
1:05:43>> Well, if you just want to give us a
1:05:44quick walk through. Sure.
1:05:46>> Pulling up the screen. So,
1:05:48>> you guys are probably familiar with the
1:05:50property because it's been on the
1:05:51planning board previously with the grant
1:05:53on seven units. When Diane bought the
1:05:56property, it was shown at seven units,
1:05:58but it would never qualify for um a
1:06:01building permit because the two adjacent
1:06:04lots, even though they're lower, didn't
1:06:06allow proper fires because there was no
1:06:09way they had multiple bedrooms. During
1:06:11this process, we discovered that the
1:06:13second and third floor roofs are in
1:06:16total need of replacement. And we talked
1:06:18to our local architect Charlie Wesley
1:06:20and looked at the feasibility of of just
1:06:23removing down to the second floor and
1:06:24going back up over the existing
1:06:26footprint and closing the entire
1:06:28footprint to make the building code
1:06:31compliant. We could only fit studios
1:06:32like when you get one bedroom if we
1:06:35closed off then we wouldn't be fired. So
1:06:37we figured out that we can keep the same
1:06:38bedroom count but get 10 units versus
1:06:41the seven that were originally planned.
1:06:46project has three affordable units as
1:06:49part of this scope. Um we will be
1:06:52looking for a handicap spot on the
1:06:54street because there are 10 originally
1:06:57property was being marketed with heated
1:07:00parking in the rear and found out spots
1:07:02aren't heated accurate of the property.
1:07:04So the originally planned handicap
1:07:06parking in the back is not feasible
1:07:08anymore. So we either would like to do
1:07:11right in front of the property or paint
1:07:13and stripe one across the street and
1:07:15we'll miss it belong. If this city would
1:07:16do a little bit further, you know, it
1:07:18doesn't matter to us. In the rear of the
1:07:20property, we are going to have access
1:07:22for a full garbage containment as well
1:07:24as enclosed bicycle enclosures so that
1:07:28we can fit probably one bike for most of
1:07:30the tenants. Even though we're only
1:07:31required to have two, we're going to
1:07:33make it available for everybody's use.
1:07:36And we're not changing footturn of the
1:07:38property at all. That's rear of the
1:07:40property. So, Broadway facing side will
1:07:42still look the same. Actually, look
1:07:44better because it'll have windows
1:07:45finally.
1:07:47I'll answer any questions board has. So,
1:07:50when you had mentioned about the back of
1:07:51the property with the [clears throat]
1:07:54trash receptacles and all of that. So,
1:07:56the last time it was here, there was an
1:07:58easement [clears throat]
1:07:59to access the the easements
1:08:02non-existent. They never registered it
1:08:03when the hospital the original Kingston
1:08:05hospital sold the property or the
1:08:07easement. The previous owner never got
1:08:10that documented on the deed and
1:08:12unfortunately it didn't transfer over to
1:08:14us. It's not not there. Worst case
1:08:17scenario, if and when the hospital
1:08:18decides to do something with that lot,
1:08:21we can take the garbage that we have
1:08:23there and walk it through our ground
1:08:24floor corridor and and put it out front
1:08:26when our garbage dumpster comes. So
1:08:28right now we'll have an enclosure with
1:08:30store 4yard container which the dumpster
1:08:33company come in open gates pull it out
1:08:36dump it put it back in it closed up it
1:08:38but and it's not visible we do have a
1:08:40small section in the back which we're
1:08:42going to make still keep retain the
1:08:44originally planned decks and there will
1:08:47still be an access point on the back of
1:08:49the property so that you in essence can
1:08:51walk through through the front and
1:08:53that's our main ADA compatibility.
1:08:56>> Okay. We also plan on marketing the two
1:08:58ground floor apartments as ADA. We're
1:09:00required to have one, but we're making
1:09:02build ADA accessible.
1:09:04Okay.
1:09:08>> Now, with the change of the facade on
1:09:10the front of the building, first floor,
1:09:13this is existing.
1:09:15>> Yeah, it's we're not changing anything
1:09:17on the facade on the front floor.
1:09:18There's an existing roofing canopy.
1:09:20We're just going to re- roof it cuz it's
1:09:22not in good shape. So this is the rear
1:09:24of the property and it had stuckle and
1:09:27siding. It had a mish mash of different
1:09:29things. So we're going to use a hardy
1:09:30plank 9 in white standard look. The
1:09:33bottom will retain its masonry on this
1:09:35side. The masonry goes up and over here
1:09:37it's a wood structure to the top.
1:09:40>> But you you were going to enclose that
1:09:42front little al cove.
1:09:44>> Yes. Oh my god. I totally forgot about
1:09:46that. So, right now we have a homeless
1:09:48person that likes to use our spot. And
1:09:50what we decided to do is bring that
1:09:53space towards the street more. We'll
1:09:55probably leave it within a foot of its
1:09:58of the property line so that we can
1:10:00still keep the willp box for the fire
1:10:02departments and have their access to it,
1:10:04but it would also serve as a wind entry
1:10:06for the retail when we rent it out
1:10:09>> and eliminate the homeless person
1:10:10sleeping there. And then with uh
1:10:13mailboxes,
1:10:14>> mailboxes right now we have two options.
1:10:17One is right here on a sliver just a
1:10:19built in. We might make the wall wider
1:10:21or right now it's programmed. You walk
1:10:23into the corridor and there'll be 10
1:10:25mailboxes plus a commercial for the mail
1:10:28department to use
1:10:29>> in reset inside the wall.
1:10:31>> Okay. That would be inside the left.
1:10:33>> Inside the left door. Yes. There'll be
1:10:35secondary door there. So the mailman can
1:10:36get in but he can't go beyond the
1:10:38problem.
1:10:38>> Okay.
1:10:39>> Um if you go to the planet he show it to
1:10:41you. And the first floor apartments
1:10:43their access from behind.
1:10:45>> No, you actually have entrance from the
1:10:46front. Okay. If you go to the the
1:10:49section that has
1:10:51so you would walk in here
1:10:54>> and you have a corridor here to this
1:10:56unit and you can go to this one, but
1:10:58they also have access from the rear if
1:11:00you want to. Yeah.
1:11:08because we couldn't bank on having this
1:11:10always available for handicap entry. We
1:11:13originally weren't programmed to have a
1:11:15lift there. We ever lose access to that.
1:11:17We had to maintain this corridor and we
1:11:19had to sacrifice some of this space
1:11:21which originally was part of the retail.
1:11:22But by doing so, we've maintained access
1:11:25in all scenarios
1:11:26>> and it's just one retail.
1:11:28>> One retail. Okay.
1:11:30existing
1:11:32750ish square ft.
1:11:42Now another question since this takes up
1:11:45most of the footprint and there is no
1:11:48easement in the back how will
1:11:50construction stage with materials and
1:11:52equipment and
1:11:54>> I can bring everything in through here
1:11:56or boom it in.
1:11:58We don't have like machines booms to
1:12:00bring
1:12:01>> when I get I'll have a delivery of
1:12:03drywall. That's our biggest item really
1:12:04to come in and some 2x4s so we can stage
1:12:07it right through the windows. Um I'm led
1:12:09to believe with initial conversations
1:12:11that the hospital would allow us to take
1:12:13deliveries from the back and it wouldn't
1:12:15impact this if we have to go to a front
1:12:18apply for a permit to park load it and
1:12:20then leave. Okay. with flaggers.
1:12:31>> Right now the parking lot every time I
1:12:33go it's pretty empty. We have the
1:12:36parking lot back there. So hopefully
1:12:38>> hope it stays that way when we start.
1:12:41>> We won't bother anybody to that'll be
1:12:43completed fairly soon.
1:12:48>> What's your timeline?
1:12:50Assuming this gets going in the right
1:12:52direction, we would apply for permits
1:12:55next week for the first space that's
1:12:57already permitted, which is the
1:12:58downstairs. We're finalizing the
1:13:00drawings with Charlie and hope to have
1:13:02something ready for there's an existing
1:13:04building right now, which we're going to
1:13:05be filing for demo and we want to do the
1:13:06roof sooner than later. So, stops
1:13:10raining indoors.
1:13:11>> We're really hoping
1:13:13late spring nicely,
1:13:15>> be on the market. Yeah,
1:13:18>> but because I'm in the commercial um
1:13:21interior material business anyway, so
1:13:24that becomes very easy once I have the
1:13:26roof and the windows inside the room
1:13:29really fast.
1:13:31>> Okay,
1:13:42>> I think it's great. I think that the we
1:13:44don't really see a lot of proposals for
1:13:46studios and the fact that you can get
1:13:48more housing out of it for people. It's
1:13:51>> great.
1:13:52>> Lemonade out of London.
1:13:54>> Yeah.
1:13:54>> That's all we're architect Wesley. He's
1:13:57a native Kingston. He said this will be
1:14:00so good with it.
1:14:01>> Yeah. Yeah. Great location for I think
1:14:03and it'll be nice to see that.
1:14:04[laughter]
1:14:05>> Everybody's looking forward to it.
1:14:07>> He said thank you.
1:14:09>> Finally.
1:14:11Everybody can't wait. Yeah. Yeah.
1:14:15>> All right. So,
1:14:19>> All right. So, this is a type two. We
1:14:22have the
1:14:23>> They do have to require because it's 10
1:14:28units, you are required to have one unit
1:14:31dedicated affordable.
1:14:33>> We have three.
1:14:33>> We have three.
1:14:34>> Yeah.
1:14:35>> You'll have to have one deed restricted
1:14:36through a covenant. And then uh there
1:14:39will be a recting of $5,000
1:14:42and um we just recognize potential
1:14:45easement in the future. And then board
1:14:47policies 4 ending 6 7 11 12 16 A 17 20
1:14:5521 28 and 24
1:14:58which you will get. [laughter]
1:15:00>> Perfect.
1:15:01[clears throat] motion. You said the rec
1:15:03fee of nine, that was
1:15:05>> $9,000 for the recent.
1:15:08>> Yeah. The with 10 units, the first six
1:15:11are exempt.
1:15:12>> And then because the affordable, it's
1:15:15exempt as well.
1:15:16>> Yes.
1:15:18>> They're going to take the other two
1:15:20affordable that we're putting into
1:15:21consideration.
1:15:25>> Takes those not those are dee
1:15:27restricted, right?
1:15:28>> Yes. Okay. If they're deeed restricted,
1:15:30they're
1:15:32>> reduced further.
1:15:33>> They're preede restricted basically in
1:15:36perpetuity
1:15:37>> um for as long as the use remains
1:15:40residential.
1:15:44So that can be adjusted but yeah.
1:15:48>> All right. So motion next.
1:15:50>> I need a motion.
1:15:52>> Kai has a second.
1:15:55Sage. All in favor?
1:16:01Thank you folks. Really appreciate it.
1:16:04>> Look forward to
1:16:06>> receiving.
1:16:11Have a great evening.
1:16:17>> Yeah, we'll send you a letter.
1:16:22Thank you.
1:16:49I'm not standing
1:16:54out with us.
1:17:04Okay. Item number 9, 11, 111 Schwank
1:17:08drive site plan with associated waiverss
1:17:11to demolish the existing building and
1:17:13constructs a mixeduse building with
1:17:15groundf flooror commercial and
1:17:17residential above. SPL48.314-2-23.1
1:17:24Secret Determination that's two transect
1:17:27zone T5MS
1:17:30Lord 2 Ross Hoffman Milestone
1:17:33Development applicant CMRC LLC owner
1:17:39forward folks
1:17:53>> [laughter]
1:17:54>> We come from there
1:17:57specific.
1:18:27Thank you.
1:18:28>> Well, welcome folks. And if we could
1:18:29just have everyone's name for the
1:18:31record.
1:18:31>> Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for
1:18:32having us. Um, I'm Marley Bushin. I'm a
1:18:35partner in head of development at
1:18:36Milestones.
1:18:39Uh this is Martha Bush from Bush. I'm a
1:18:41director at Red Marble.
1:18:44And Valerie will also be joining us
1:18:46James associate marble.
1:18:49>> Um we've got Mike Morello who's doing
1:18:51our land use uh Paul Ararius who's our
1:18:55civil
1:18:57O' Conor from RCO partners on the
1:18:59project. Uh and a smattering of other
1:19:01people and Tim also from RCO my business
1:19:04partner Aaron. Um and Sam and Eloise
1:19:07Samara Bailey and Eloise Paul from Sik
1:19:09Street Advisors to our awesome project.
1:19:12>> Okay.
1:19:13>> Well, welcome folks. Um this point you
1:19:16just want to give us a walk through.
1:19:19>> Yeah, absolutely. Um so I think many of
1:19:21you know the site as the TIA site.
1:19:25[laughter]
1:19:25We uh would love for it to be rebranded
1:19:27as something else. Um but uh we're
1:19:30really excited about this project. We
1:19:32are proposing 135 units of all
1:19:35affordable housing. Um we are working
1:19:39with HCR on the financing for this. So
1:19:41we're doing it as a bond and credit
1:19:42deal. So that will ensure that it is%
1:19:46affordable. We're targeting AMIs between
1:19:4940 and 80%. Um and we are hoping to
1:19:54close on this about a year from now on
1:19:57financing. Um, assuming approvals and
1:20:00everything, it's going to look okay. Uh,
1:20:02we are including studios to
1:20:05three-bedroom units. Um,
1:20:08and, uh, as you can see, the building is
1:20:11sort of L-shaped. It's got a small
1:20:13amount of ground floor retail to comply
1:20:15with the zoning of T5 Main Street. Um,
1:20:18and we're also currently proposing doing
1:20:20the project uh, as mass timber uh, as
1:20:23sort of a sustainable building method.
1:20:26We have uh geothermal heating and
1:20:28cooling uh that we're designing into the
1:20:30project and um yeah we uh have over a
1:20:36100 spaces of surface parking. The site
1:20:38is quite large. It's about 2 acres so
1:20:40we're able to accommodate that. Um and
1:20:42we think that that will be more than
1:20:44enough for the uh population in the
1:20:46building. Um, and I will turn it over to
1:20:50the architects who will take us through
1:20:52more of the specifics. Yeah. If there's
1:20:54any questions about product team,
1:20:58>> looks like we're just getting the
1:21:01graphics up.
1:21:17We didn't
1:21:35speak.
1:21:54So while while they're doing this, this
1:21:56is um not only a site plan, but there's
1:22:00going to be a small lot line revision
1:22:04associated with this because there's a
1:22:06piece in the rear that they're going to
1:22:08be um studying. ownership of from the
1:22:12joint property to the you off the rear
1:22:16back here on the site. There's an odd
1:22:19sort of triangle uh that cuts into the
1:22:22111 site. And so we um have an agreement
1:22:26with um Bob Ryan uh who owns the
1:22:31property next door to acquire that site
1:22:33in conjunction with our closing. And you
1:22:35can actually see the triangle sort of
1:22:37highlighted on the model. Yeah.
1:22:39Computer. So, uh, project highlights,
1:22:42which Marley just ran through, just
1:22:45mentioned, 100% portable, 135 units, a
1:22:48hybrid CLT construction, cross laminated
1:22:51timber, uh, geothermal heating and
1:22:53cooling. Um, also some interesting site.
1:22:56We're actually in flood planes. We're
1:22:57doing flood resiliency. The building is
1:22:59actually 5 ft above the ground plane, so
1:23:02we're going with that. Um, and we're
1:23:05providing approximately 10 into parking
1:23:07spaces. So, real quickly, I'll go
1:23:10through some context and design and then
1:23:12get into the building. So, this is where
1:23:14it's uh located. So, this is the site
1:23:16with that lot line adjustment shown. So,
1:23:19we're just outside of the historic
1:23:21district here on the other side of the
1:23:22hill. Um, and there's the single uh old
1:23:27uh car lot there with asphalt around it.
1:23:30So when we got into the design, we were
1:23:33really taken obviously with the stockade
1:23:35district and with front street and wall
1:23:37street and kind of looking at the
1:23:38qualities of the buildings there um and
1:23:41contrasting that with swing drive. So we
1:23:43went through and we did a whole of
1:23:45looking at the rhythms and the
1:23:46proportions of those facades and trying
1:23:49to understand what makes those buildings
1:23:50have so much character. And then we
1:23:53looked at Shank Drive which has a quite
1:23:55different typology and suburban
1:23:57buildings parking lot, right? So, kind
1:23:59of the big question for us is how do we
1:24:01bring that character down the building
1:24:03over here? Um, and so this is some
1:24:06photos of the site if you don't know it
1:24:08that well. Uh, so this is the building
1:24:09on the back side here. You have all
1:24:12these build these trees that are going
1:24:13up the hill kind of screen the parking
1:24:15lot a little bit and there's existing
1:24:17foliage on the other side of the
1:24:18building as well. Um, so we're really
1:24:22taken with the textures of the town,
1:24:24right? all the different history and all
1:24:26the details that make up the buildings
1:24:27and particularly the adjacent stockage
1:24:30district area and we did a whole
1:24:32analysis looking at the wealth and
1:24:33material history that comes from uh
1:24:35Kingston the greater Olster County. So
1:24:37we looked at brick, we looked at timber,
1:24:40we looked at blue stone and lstone
1:24:41masonry, we looked at cement and then
1:24:44we, you know, went back to the site um
1:24:46and we looked at actually the building
1:24:48history uh of the stockate district and
1:24:51what the buildings were made out of
1:24:53largely brick framing siding and
1:24:54concrete and how that changed over time.
1:24:57So then when we went to the site, we
1:24:59took two what we call bars um and we
1:25:02treated one with brick and another with
1:25:04a limestone or stone like material.
1:25:06We're using a high density panel uh
1:25:08which has a texture to it. It's like a
1:25:10through material. Um so we defined those
1:25:13volumes. We articulated the volumes a
1:25:15little bit differently. The brick one
1:25:16has this stepping on the front to follow
1:25:18the curve. The shank drives so that it's
1:25:20not fully set the whole way. We
1:25:23connected them uh with this bridge
1:25:25across and then finally we articulated
1:25:27the volumes by adding some more wood
1:25:30into the the building and those kind of
1:25:33happen at public spaces within the
1:25:35building. Um and then we lifted the back
1:25:37portion of the building up so that way
1:25:38you get all the parking underneath it.
1:25:42>> Uh so that gives us two facade systems
1:25:44for the building. Um they're both uh a
1:25:47rain screen insulation system but on the
1:25:50front it's a a brick uh facade. It's a
1:25:52Kingston brick, so it's a bit longer and
1:25:54taller. Um, and then on the back is that
1:25:58uh highdensity panel that we talked
1:26:00about. So, the brick will have headers
1:26:02and sills. Um, and then the uh panel
1:26:06portion will have some trim around the
1:26:09windows to help cast shadows and break
1:26:10up the sun as well.
1:26:14So, we mentioned that it was hybrid CLT.
1:26:16What that means is that the floors are
1:26:18made out of cross laminated timber. Um,
1:26:20so because of the flood plane here,
1:26:23we're building that first floor out of
1:26:24concrete. So it's resiliency. It's a
1:26:26concrete podium. Um, so above that, you
1:26:30see these orange lines here. That will
1:26:32be cross laminerated timber flooring,
1:26:34which will be exposed in the apartments.
1:26:36So this is a similar style project, but
1:26:38you can see the wood ceilings there. And
1:26:41then the walls themselves will be uh
1:26:43light wood framing. So those are spaced
1:26:46on a 12x6 module um which act as baron
1:26:49and shear walls throughout. Uh and then
1:26:52also above the first floor that CLT is
1:26:55going to be making up the elevator
1:26:57shafts and the stair shafts. So when
1:26:59you're in the wood you can see where the
1:27:01public spaces are and where you can move
1:27:03by seeing the floor.
1:27:06Uh so this is a view from the northwest
1:27:08um which was on one of the earlier
1:27:10slides. This is the retail component uh
1:27:12that Marley mentioned. This is the kind
1:27:15of burning the sloping that we're using
1:27:17to navigate that five foot difference
1:27:19and using the landscape to mitigate it.
1:27:21So it's not just like a harsh wall in
1:27:23front of the building as well. Uh this
1:27:26is a view from the southwest in the
1:27:28parking lot essentially will be
1:27:31that way. And then this is the screening
1:27:33into a rear entrance into that amenity
1:27:35courtyard um that was mentioned. And you
1:27:38can start to see some of the amenity
1:27:40rooftop chairs if possible.
1:27:43And then looking at the northeast, you
1:27:44can see the drive aisle. So that takes
1:27:46you back into the parking two spaces.
1:27:48And then here you get a kind of clear
1:27:50view of the residential entrance. So
1:27:52again, anywhere where there's kind of
1:27:54public movement, that's where we start
1:27:55to bring in the wood and bring that in
1:27:56from the outside. Um, and then here you
1:27:59see the stepping of the building itself.
1:28:00It's stepping 2 and 1/2 in 2 and 1/2 ft
1:28:03increments. And so that creates kind of
1:28:05the natural canopy so they don't need to
1:28:07tap anything else on to the facade.
1:28:11And then this is a view from the
1:28:13courtyard. Kind of initial early sketch
1:28:15we did, but gives you an idea of the
1:28:17amenity spaces that we'll be wrapping
1:28:19this courtyard. So you'll have your
1:28:20lounge off of it. Uh you'll have your
1:28:22laundry and your gym. Um and then you
1:28:25can kind of see some of the CLT coming
1:28:27through the windows up there.
1:28:30Uh this is a ground floor plan zoomed in
1:28:33on the first floor of the building
1:28:35itself. So this was the courtyard that
1:28:37we were just looking at. You have your
1:28:38amenity spaces wrapping it with this
1:28:40corridor so that there's always natural
1:28:42light coming into that. Um, and then you
1:28:44have your main entrance here in the
1:28:46north, which is what we looked at with
1:28:47the ramp, the stairs, the retail, and
1:28:50the residential entrance on the same
1:28:51level. So, they're both at that 5ft
1:28:54uh elevation. And then there is a rear
1:28:57entrance from the parking area that has
1:28:59both a ramp and stairs as well. Um, on
1:29:02the ground floor, we also have like our
1:29:05water meter, electrical service room. Up
1:29:06here in the corner, we have a compactor
1:29:09room um which will carry 30 toers which
1:29:12will be brought and will be staged and
1:29:13back. We're working with our management
1:29:16on that.
1:29:18And then the typical floor these will
1:29:20run through two through six. Um so these
1:29:23have the studios, the one beds, the two
1:29:24beds and the three beds. Uh this repeats
1:29:27per the floor or per every floor. So
1:29:29there's an elevator bank here in the
1:29:31north. You have your stair here in the
1:29:32north and another stair in the south. So
1:29:34those run
1:29:36back
1:29:38down so that stair A goes out and exits
1:29:41through there and stair B can exit out
1:29:43here. And stair B actually exits out
1:29:45above the flood plane. Um, which is just
1:29:49kind of a, you know, in case there is a
1:29:52flood. That way you're not opening the
1:29:53boat right under the water.
1:29:57And then on the roof, we have an amenity
1:29:59terrace in the bar portion in the center
1:30:01there. Uh, and then we have the stairs
1:30:03on either side.
1:30:05Because we're using a geothermal system,
1:30:08we don't actually have that much
1:30:09equipment on the roof. So, we have two
1:30:11ERVs in the north and two ERVs in the
1:30:14south. And then there's a a generator
1:30:16that will be on the north on the ones.
1:30:21So, as part of this, we are going for
1:30:24seven uh waiverss. Three of them are
1:30:28major and four minor. The first one um
1:30:32is the build two zone. So as of right
1:30:35with the affordability bonus we can
1:30:37build up to six stories uh for the first
1:30:4080 ft. So that's essentially roughly
1:30:42this far and be brought up to six
1:30:45stories. Um what we're looking to do is
1:30:47to continue that across so that we get
1:30:51more affordable units here in the back
1:30:53side. Um the second major waiver is a
1:30:56distance between lazing. So, per zoning,
1:31:00just jump back to that view.
1:31:03Per zoning, this portion of the facade
1:31:06needs to be 2 ft wide. Uh, we're showing
1:31:08it as four to keep a proportional rhythm
1:31:10with the rest of the building. Um, and
1:31:12also to capture the structural column
1:31:14that's coming down better.
1:31:18The third major waiver is curb cut
1:31:22width. Uh, per the zoning, the maximum
1:31:24curb cut is 20 ft wide. We are showing
1:31:27currently a 24 ft per cuff lid and the
1:31:29arrows to 20 ft and a dry after you
1:31:31would be on the street. Uh the four
1:31:34minor waivers are for the front build to
1:31:36zone. So first one is per the zoning the
1:31:40building needs to be within 5 ft of the
1:31:43curve or the property line but because
1:31:45of the flood uh resiliency we need the
1:31:49space to get up into the building. So
1:31:52we're trying to set that back. Uh the
1:31:54building width uh the the zoning permits
1:31:58150 ft. So we're less than 10% older,
1:32:00but we're a little bit wider. This far
1:32:01is 162 ft. Um and then there is a blank
1:32:05wall on the ground floor
1:32:10here. So, in order to get this drive out
1:32:12here so that the drug cars can come
1:32:14through, that means that we need to put
1:32:16the front-facing uh utility entry here
1:32:20um instead of being able to like break
1:32:21it up or put something in between. Uh so
1:32:24that creates uh a blank wall that's a
1:32:27little bit larger, but we're
1:32:28articulating that with different
1:32:29materials and potentially putting
1:32:31signage there.
1:32:32>> Can you show that blank wall on the
1:32:34record?
1:32:35>> Is that Yeah, it's
1:32:38here.
1:32:39>> Okay. So our thought is like we can add
1:32:41signage here adjacent to it and then use
1:32:43the landscaping to soften that. Um so
1:32:46that way it's not just a big a stretch.
1:32:52And then the fourth waiver is related to
1:32:55sign uh per the zoning. The letter of it
1:32:58says that the wall signage needs to be
1:33:00uh above the storefront. we're showing
1:33:03it as adjacent uh in our drawings, which
1:33:06if I can pull those up, but um that's
1:33:09largely because here the storefront runs
1:33:10all the way to the top. So, we have this
1:33:12signage here to help break up that uh
1:33:17blank wall facade. Um whereas it'll be
1:33:20above the the storefront for the retail.
1:33:24And then this is the overall site plan.
1:33:28So, this has the 100G parking spaces,
1:33:30the EV spaces here to the south. The
1:33:32bike parking will be uh under the
1:33:35overhang of the building adjacent to the
1:33:38back entry. Um, and then we have our ADA
1:33:41spaces here as well.
1:33:42Uh Paul, was there anything else with
1:33:44the
1:33:46um I'll just say quickly uh with
1:33:50redeveloping a largely imperous site uh
1:33:53and actually reducing by 8% the
1:33:56impervious area. [snorts] Um I have
1:33:59verified in communication with the city
1:34:01engineer the base flood elevation we're
1:34:04using of 155.4.
1:34:06So the finished floors are all 2 ft
1:34:09above that.
1:34:11um and happy to answer any questions
1:34:14regarding our our civil site plan or
1:34:16engineering related issues. Can you just
1:34:20um speak to just a little bit about how
1:34:22right now there is storm water that kind
1:34:25of runs through the site that connects
1:34:27other properties as well and how that's
1:34:30going to all be redirected and on an
1:34:33interim when the construction is
1:34:35happening on this site how the storm
1:34:39water is going to be addressed from the
1:34:41adjacent sites and then does it back up
1:34:43there?
1:34:44>> Sure. Um, so we have, I believe, four
1:34:47connections. There's a small catch basin
1:34:50from Bob Ryan's property that goes into
1:34:53a basin on our site. We have a small
1:34:56basin from the teachers union on the
1:35:01adjacent site who have an easement here
1:35:03and a small 6-in line that comes onto
1:35:06our site. And then there's uh one other
1:35:09line from the Federal Credit Union that
1:35:12actually won't be affected. We'll be
1:35:14rrooting the storm. I could maybe show
1:35:17it better on a different plan. Um, so
1:35:20it's really just these two basins which
1:35:22are essentially overflows from a dry
1:35:24well system on this property adjacent.
1:35:28Um, not really concerned about during
1:35:32construction.
1:35:34They would go from downstream and back.
1:35:38So these would by the time these are
1:35:40tied back in they they would be
1:35:43connected to the frog alley system that
1:35:46discharges that way. Um if we have to do
1:35:50any temporary bypass
1:35:53uh if there's a storm and they're not
1:35:55connected in the couple days while we're
1:35:58reconnecting these these 6-in lines. Uh
1:36:02we'll we'll do that as needed.
1:36:05And you're proposing a new um
1:36:09the name of it,
1:36:10>> a hydrodnamic separator. Great.
1:36:12>> Thank you.
1:36:13>> That'll that'll help us meet our water
1:36:16quality volume treatment, right? For the
1:36:17slip uh redevelopment slip. Um allows
1:36:21for the use of those and that's that'll
1:36:23be here right before going out the frog
1:36:26alley. Um and that will be able to
1:36:29convey the 100year storm flow while
1:36:32while treating the storm water. Um
1:36:35>> I don't know if the board is familiar
1:36:37with that. Can you just kind of describe
1:36:38the system because I don't think it's
1:36:40something that
1:36:40>> Sure. It's more of a mechanized uh
1:36:43system. Um that's like a swirl um I I
1:36:50call it a filter filtration system that
1:36:52that treats storm water and and
1:36:54discharges a a cleaner uh storm water.
1:36:57We used one at Benedict 18 and we've
1:37:01used them all over for redevelopment
1:37:03projects. It's I think a 6ft diameter
1:37:07looks like a looks like a dry well but
1:37:09it has a it it's mechanized and and
1:37:13provides our treatment through
1:37:15>> filtration serviced or emptied.
1:37:18>> There's there's some maintenance
1:37:20requirements. Um I'm sure every 5 to 10
1:37:24years I I have to check the exact Yeah.
1:37:28the the building is anticipating having
1:37:29a living superintendent. Okay. So,
1:37:32maintenance should be easily covered.
1:37:40>> Yeah. So, if there any questions for
1:37:48>> So, just for the members, we obviously
1:37:51you've got staff notes. Um, we did send
1:37:54the staff counts out to you all. I'm
1:37:57sure started to look at them and digest
1:37:59them and we'll be making
1:38:03comments back on them. Or if you have
1:38:05any questions for us about anything that
1:38:08is within those, let us know um before
1:38:12next month. Um, this does need to go to
1:38:16the county. So I do want the board to um
1:38:19if they're comfortable with the level of
1:38:21information I think it's developed we
1:38:23think it's developed enough to send out
1:38:26the formal community having planning
1:38:28board um so that we can do that next
1:38:30month I think also I would ask the board
1:38:33at public hearing um there's obviously
1:38:36one required by law for the lot line
1:38:39revision that is part of project a site
1:38:42man public hearing is also in order on
1:38:46this Um the other thing um just as we
1:38:48talked about with the 25 bill court one,
1:38:51I think that there should be some um uh
1:38:55more visual simulations done. Um I'd
1:38:58like the board to think about and maybe
1:39:01tonight come up with a couple of
1:39:04locations that you know as you're coming
1:39:06down schwank or going up you know either
1:39:09direction on schwank. kind of it would
1:39:10be appropriate to have some uh visual
1:39:14simulations both day and night um with
1:39:18building context of existing buildings
1:39:21in place um and also maybe from up above
1:39:25to get a sense of need from the historic
1:39:29district. So I don't know what are the
1:39:32board's thoughts on that?
1:39:37I mean, this is a six-story building
1:39:40primarily a one-story area. So,
1:39:44especially the front street just to see
1:39:46what it'll do to the view. That'll be
1:39:48one location
1:39:51to see.
1:39:59>> So, the the parking lot on on North
1:40:01Front Street is right
1:40:03>> this is the guard rail.
1:40:04>> That plaza is down here.
1:40:06>> Yeah. Yeah. from Sun Street. It's due to
1:40:09the mature trees that are sort of on
1:40:11that slope up to the parking lot, they
1:40:13actually provide quite a bit of
1:40:15screening from Front Street.
1:40:18Um, but that's sort of the perspective
1:40:20there.
1:40:21>> Yeah, this is the parking lot.
1:40:23>> Do we know the grade change between the
1:40:26our parking lot and the parking lot?
1:40:30>> Yeah.
1:40:36We go from 180 to about what? What are
1:40:39we at? 154
1:40:41155.
1:40:42>> Yeah.
1:40:44>> 5T.
1:40:49>> I just I think it's important um to have
1:40:52those simulations particularly because
1:40:55one of the waiver requests is to have
1:40:59both the bit and the six floor extending
1:41:02feedback
1:41:04um all the way to the rear of the
1:41:06building which is quite a large
1:41:10deviation um waiver request I was it's
1:41:13close to 200% and so I think it's
1:41:17important to understand
1:41:19uh visually and different
1:41:26viewpoints.
1:41:30>> Sure. And we can also show it in context
1:41:32with the Kingstonian which will also be
1:41:35bring
1:41:36there
1:41:38>> and the
1:41:41guy mentioned it but the reason to bring
1:41:43that waiver why we're requesting that is
1:41:46we get about
1:41:4830
1:41:49>> additional units of affordable housing
1:41:52and so it it has a lot of implications.
1:41:55um if we were to lose those units, we'd
1:41:57likely be pushed into the HCR 9% uh
1:42:01financing program, which then is
1:42:03competitive, which you know, I can't say
1:42:06when we would close with that. And so,
1:42:08keeping our building at a certain scale,
1:42:11helps on multiple fronts.
1:42:14>> Yeah, doing the housing with those, you
1:42:17know, I think it's imperative that we
1:42:18look at all opportunities, but we'll
1:42:20definitely do those visuals that you
1:42:22requested. Let me know if the parking
1:42:24lot is uh been put out in RP and
1:42:28responses to develop on that which will
1:42:30alter greatly
1:42:33any use should a uh should a building be
1:42:36put on that parking lot.
1:42:38>> We'll get various board.
1:42:41>> Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, we can take
1:42:43one from that parking lot. There are
1:42:44other areas that
1:42:45>> we have seen the intersection.
1:42:50Uh no other other interception just
1:42:53went.
1:42:54>> Yeah.
1:42:54>> Yeah.
1:43:10How
1:43:12going to be
1:43:14solely sourced through RO?
1:43:18>> We will be the managing agent. Um but
1:43:23this market
1:43:25for the
1:43:30>> and we'll do you know it's always been
1:43:32our president to notify the community as
1:43:35much as we can that the lottery is
1:43:36active to you know encourage as many
1:43:39applications especially locally as we
1:43:41can. Um you know we want people who live
1:43:44in Kingston who need an affordable home
1:43:46to be the first people to apply for
1:43:48this. So, if there's any suggestions of
1:43:50organizations you'd like to see us do
1:43:52outreach to, we're happy to consider
1:43:54that and make sure that we tell them
1:43:56that the lottery is active and even give
1:43:58them heads up. You know, in the past,
1:44:00we've done even trainings on like this
1:44:02is how you've actually applied for it
1:44:03when it's a complicated lottery system,
1:44:05things like that.
1:44:09>> So, the the parking um demand um and
1:44:12redemption study, they came in late.
1:44:15they just quickly reviewed it and a
1:44:17couple things. Um,
1:44:20and I'm I'm thinking that, you know,
1:44:22what might be nice to incorporate into
1:44:25the project would be maybe a bus shelter
1:44:28along the public railway to encourage,
1:44:31you know, ridership um or place for
1:44:34them. uh maybe um but it's not you know
1:44:38I know you said you would provide
1:44:40information to resonance but I'm not
1:44:44seeing the the intramodal kind of
1:44:47connectivity that I would like to see
1:44:49enough study identified
1:44:51>> sure and we can certainly talk to uh bus
1:44:54operator here and see if there is an
1:44:56opportunity for that and at the very
1:44:58least do way finding you know if they
1:45:00say we don't want a bus shelter there
1:45:01but do way finding you know bus stop 100
1:45:04ft this way, whatever it is, certainly
1:45:06want to encourage um multimodal transit.
1:45:12>> Man, with this being in the flood plane,
1:45:15what are there any specialized
1:45:17construction techniques that you're
1:45:19going to use to put pilings in or how is
1:45:23the support going into the brown to
1:45:26bedrock or what's that look like? So,
1:45:30our structural engineer is still working
1:45:31on that based off the geotech report.
1:45:33But um the basic feedback that we've
1:45:35gotten is because we're we're building
1:45:37up uh the 5T uh to do it with fill so
1:45:41that we're on slab. Um so that that
1:45:45would prevent having to wet flood proof
1:45:48anything. Um so currently uh the piles
1:45:53are are pretty standard. Um the deaths
1:45:56will be based off of the geotech report.
1:45:58Um in terms of like flood resiliency,
1:46:00there isn't a lot extra that we have to
1:46:02do because we're doing a a pile system
1:46:05here.
1:46:09>> Yeah.
1:46:14So would you be doing um so for the
1:46:18pilings would you be doing you' be doing
1:46:20compacting right from what I understood
1:46:22reading the geotech like they would be
1:46:25compacting the soils
1:46:27>> that's our understanding
1:46:28>> okay
1:46:32>> um would you be doing any surveying of
1:46:35the adjacent properties or monitoring
1:46:38any of the buildings that are
1:46:40>> Absolutely. Yeah, you know normal course
1:46:43of doing this we'll do a
1:46:44pre-construction survey of you know our
1:46:46geotech engineer or structural engineer
1:46:48will recommend which properties how far
1:46:50it should extend and then we'll do
1:46:52vibration monitoring optical monitoring
1:46:54whatever is necessary for their
1:46:56recommendations.
1:47:02So do you I have listed in the attendant
1:47:06the New York State Park art parks
1:47:07recreation start reservation as a
1:47:10circulating
1:47:12uh agency. Do you guys anticipate
1:47:15reaching out to them through Chris?
1:47:17Because the reason I ask is because what
1:47:20I found have been happening more and
1:47:22more recently is once DEC gets it in
1:47:25their system it takes several months
1:47:28then it goes to PRP and then it's like 5
1:47:32months later you get a letter that says
1:47:34oh we want to see everything. So do you
1:47:36guys go to Chris right in the beginning?
1:47:39Should we do it? Should we
1:47:43>> I typically only would have if we were
1:47:45doing the coordinating review which this
1:47:48is not we're treating this as the thing
1:47:50too we are
1:47:51>> yeah my concern my concern is that
1:47:53they're going to get it and then say
1:47:56okay we're commenting I mean even though
1:47:58they're not interested agency
1:48:02>> the like if you're going for state
1:48:04funding um financ
1:48:06It's going to be in the system that
1:48:08agency may referral process.
1:48:12>> Well, most
1:48:14but you don't you we can do it anyway.
1:48:17All right.
1:48:17>> Well, we can check in with HDR.
1:48:20>> I just don't want to find out like five
1:48:22to six months.
1:48:23>> Neither do I.
1:48:25I don't want to have a shovel ready
1:48:27project that that is the home for
1:48:31um and Sue you had mentioned uh sending
1:48:35referring this to the county. We did
1:48:37have our gateway meeting um with Dennis
1:48:39Doyle a couple weeks ago. Um no
1:48:42substantial comments came out of that.
1:48:44We learned about um Dennis's personal
1:48:46feelings on the brick.
1:48:51That that was the most controversial
1:48:53thing out of there.
1:49:02personally.
1:49:13>> Okay. So, where
1:49:18did he eat?
1:49:20>> Yes, he's
1:49:21>> okay. So when you were making the
1:49:23visuals, you want to see visuals from
1:49:26the intersections of Waza and Schwank
1:49:32looking towards this project. Um
1:49:35>> Frog Alley,
1:49:36>> Frog Alley and Schwank. And then up
1:49:38above from Broadfront Street looking
1:49:41down. any any other
1:49:43>> I think I'd like to see just kind of
1:49:44like a side with the onestory buildings
1:49:47like how tall the six stories will look
1:49:50compared next to
1:49:51>> okay
1:49:52>> you know like Ryan in next you know what
1:49:54I'm saying like something where we can
1:49:56see
1:49:56>> the surrounding property
1:50:04>> um I would do them in both nighttime and
1:50:08daytime
1:50:10But I think the night time particularly
1:50:13because if you're going to have the um
1:50:16top have that open area
1:50:20the lights and how that might impact.
1:50:23>> Yeah. We're also just doing um EGC as
1:50:27part of the HCR process. So we are
1:50:29following the uh dark side standards and
1:50:31the lighting. So as is we're trying to
1:50:34mitigate any kind of light spill off. So
1:50:37uh we've been white. So we'll we'll give
1:50:41you some illustrations of
1:50:46>> anything else.
1:51:04Now, if everything goes to plan
1:51:09if what are [clears throat] the
1:51:10timelines you guys are looking at?
1:51:14>> Sure. Um, so we have a pretty aggressive
1:51:19design schedule. We're currently on
1:51:21pause until we get the feedback from the
1:51:24planning board. But, uh, when we resume,
1:51:27uh, we'll be resuming with design
1:51:28development. Um, and we have a schedule
1:51:31that will get us to 100% CD bronze by
1:51:35the spring. Um, in our conversations
1:51:38with HCR, we've been talking about a
1:51:43late summer closing. Um, and we have
1:51:46also been talking since the tax credit
1:51:49project, we need tax credit investor. Um
1:51:52we currently have a couple of in
1:51:54investors who are interested and are
1:51:56holding us our project in their 27
1:51:58pipeline. Um tax credit equity has
1:52:00gotten very tight in the past couple of
1:52:02years and so we wouldn't be able to
1:52:05consider a financial closing
1:52:06[clears throat] without also having that
1:52:07sort of piece lined up.
1:52:11>> And then we're underwriting a 30month
1:52:14construction timeline I believe.
1:52:18Oh, excuse me.
1:52:20>> Um,
1:52:21>> sorry. I think it's 24. I'm sorry. I'm
1:52:24inflating projects.
1:52:25>> The fire chief did have some comments
1:52:27that I did upload. I don't know. You You
1:52:31should get notification when the upload.
1:52:33>> Yeah, I was reviewing the certain.
1:52:35>> I just want to make sure you were okay
1:52:36because he has some height.
1:52:38>> Yeah.
1:52:39>> Did look at that. I know the the minimum
1:52:42truck height is 16 ft. Our pass through.
1:52:45We're only 18 ft right now under the
1:52:48building itself.
1:52:50>> Uh the it does vary because of the
1:52:52slight grade change, but it's always at
1:52:55like 16T 9 to 17t.
1:52:58>> Okay.
1:52:58>> Um some of those
1:53:00>> there is some room in there so we can
1:53:01play with the design of that as develop
1:53:04it further.
1:53:04>> And we've been in contact with the
1:53:06chief.
1:53:07>> We met with Chris and he actually asked
1:53:10for a
1:53:12proposed swing gate. We uh so we ditched
1:53:15two parking spots there for now and uh
1:53:18because this is the fire
1:53:19>> Yes.
1:53:20>> Will fire department there
1:53:23>> and then the other comments were mostly
1:53:25regarding the building and alarmed.
1:53:28>> Yeah. Yeah. System
1:53:32>> commercial
1:53:34layout
1:53:36see those.
1:53:37>> Yeah, definitely.
1:53:39>> Sometimes we don't know that we say we
1:53:41>> Yeah. You upload it and you hope the
1:53:42notification goes up. [laughter]
1:53:44>> Those things are always got buried.
1:53:48>> So the referrals are kind of vending
1:53:49more you guys will take care of and
1:53:52setting the public hearing.
1:53:53>> Do you know what day that'll be the
1:53:55public hearing?
1:53:56>> Uh next meeting November
1:54:0216.
1:54:09November 16.
1:54:13>> You guys
1:54:18will
1:54:21soon be public hearing.
1:54:29>> Do you have any staff notes that we
1:54:32sent?
1:54:33>> No, I think they were all pretty strict
1:54:35in this room. So if there's anything
1:54:37that comes up as we develop.
1:54:39>> Okay. We're I'm still pulling from water
1:54:44sewer engineering facilities. I'll make
1:54:47sure we try and get those to you as
1:54:49possible.
1:54:51So you'll notice both.
1:54:55Yes.
1:55:15>> Thank you so much.
1:55:17>> Thank you.
1:55:19have to make the table.
1:55:21>> All right. Make a motion on the table
1:55:22and then this will
1:55:30>> work.
1:55:34All in favor
1:55:59>> I was here for so long today.
1:56:03Yeah. But
1:56:06then I'm also using
1:56:12so advertisement
1:56:15[laughter]

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