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  1. 0:24Please welcome to the stage Plaid
  2. 0:26co-founder and CEO Zack Pereé.
  3. 0:31>> [applause]
  4. 0:35>> Hello, welcome to effects. Thank you so
  5. 0:38much for joining us. Um, this is by far
  6. 0:40the biggest effects that we've ever done
  7. 0:42and we have so much that we're going to
  8. 0:43share with you all today. Um, for me,
  9. 0:46it's really great to be back in New York
  10. 0:48City. My co-founder and I actually
  11. 0:50founded Plaid here uh in a tiny little
  12. 0:53office in Union Square almost 13 years
  13. 0:55ago. Uh, and since that time, it's it's
  14. 0:58wonderful to reflect on just how far
  15. 1:00this amazing industry has come. I'm not
  16. 1:02sure about y'all, but I'm having the
  17. 1:04most fun of my career right now. Fintech
  18. 1:06has truly gone mainstream. Um, fintech
  19. 1:09and financial services, the two
  20. 1:10industries are continuing to merge and
  21. 1:12become just one industry. And now almost
  22. 1:15every bank, every lender, every
  23. 1:17investment product builder that you talk
  24. 1:19to is creating their products digital
  25. 1:21first and mobile first. This is kind of
  26. 1:23the idea that we had at the very
  27. 1:24beginning that's taken us a long time to
  28. 1:26get here. We also are starting to see
  29. 1:28more and more large tech companies,
  30. 1:30retailers, and so many others launch
  31. 1:32embedded finance products. They're
  32. 1:34putting wallets in, they're putting
  33. 1:35rewards in, they're launching BNPL, and
  34. 1:37so many other things. But what's most
  35. 1:39exciting to me in this moment right now
  36. 1:41is the huge quality improvements that
  37. 1:43we're seeing in the AI native financial
  38. 1:45products that are out there. Over the
  39. 1:48holidays, I decided to build a personal
  40. 1:50financial app. The idea was that my wife
  41. 1:53and I wanted a tool that we could think
  42. 1:56about the hardest financial questions
  43. 1:57that we needed to answer. Um, the kinds
  44. 1:59of things that we would normally take to
  45. 2:01an investment adviser or to an
  46. 2:03accountant. Um, I was able to sit down
  47. 2:05and actually build the core of the app
  48. 2:06using Cloud Code in just an afternoon.
  49. 2:09And now it's a product that we use
  50. 2:10almost every single day. And apparently
  51. 2:13I'm not alone. There are more than 4,000
  52. 2:15developers that sign up for a cloud API
  53. 2:17key every single week. And when I talk
  54. 2:19to them, when I talk to all of you, um,
  55. 2:22you're telling me that you're building
  56. 2:23things just like what I created. You're
  57. 2:24creating your own personal financial
  58. 2:26tools to do the analysis that you always
  59. 2:28wished you could do very easily. Using
  60. 2:30generative AI has been a huge game
  61. 2:33changer. Being able to talk with your
  62. 2:34finances is pretty amazing. So, let me
  63. 2:37give you an example. That's what's up
  64. 2:38here. When I graduated from college, I
  65. 2:41had three different student loans. I had
  66. 2:43a little bit of credit card debt and
  67. 2:45almost nothing in my checking account.
  68. 2:46really almost nothing, like less than
  69. 2:48$100. Um, when I finally got my first
  70. 2:50real paycheck, I had no idea what to do
  71. 2:52with it. Do I pay down debt? Do I build
  72. 2:55a rainy day fund? Uh, if I do pay down
  73. 2:57debt, which loan do I pay first and in
  74. 3:00what order? Um, these were non-trivial
  75. 3:02financial questions to try to answer.
  76. 3:04And I knew a lot about financial
  77. 3:06services, but the questions themselves
  78. 3:08were quite complex. I ended up creating
  79. 3:10a spreadsheet. It wasn't exactly this
  80. 3:12one, but it looked something like this.
  81. 3:13Um, I remember it was like a five or a
  82. 3:15ten tab model um with a payoff
  83. 3:17waterfall. It took me almost a week to
  84. 3:19do. I had to go pull all the data from
  85. 3:20all these different sources. Um, and I
  86. 3:22and I knew how to do this stuff. Um, I'd
  87. 3:24taken a lot of math classes. I thought a
  88. 3:26lot about financial services. Today, all
  89. 3:28I would need to do is ask the right
  90. 3:30question. AI can do the rest. It's kind
  91. 3:32of like having a top tier financial
  92. 3:34adviser that knows all of my data in
  93. 3:36great detail in my pocket at all times.
  94. 3:40Every month, more than 200 million
  95. 3:42people ask ChatGBT questions about their
  96. 3:44finances. And just last week, ChatGBT
  97. 3:46launched a new financial experience
  98. 3:48powered by Plaid. Users can now link
  99. 3:51their financial accounts and ask
  100. 3:53questions that they would previously
  101. 3:54only have been able to answer with
  102. 3:56spreadsheets like this or by talking to
  103. 3:58financial advisers. I highly recommend
  104. 4:01that you all use it. Um, give it a try.
  105. 4:03It's really good, especially at the
  106. 4:04questions that are that are quite hard
  107. 4:06to answer, right? So, let's take a look
  108. 4:08at a quick demo here.
  109. 4:27So this is a real world example of uh
  110. 4:30someone that works at Plaid. I will not
  111. 4:31tell you who. Um using chatbt to um ask
  112. 4:35questions about opening a 529 account
  113. 4:37for their their their their child. Um
  114. 4:40and then thinking about how much they
  115. 4:41could contribute to the 529 account at
  116. 4:43different points in time and how how it
  117. 4:45would affect their lifestyle. Now, these
  118. 4:47are questions that you could answer with
  119. 4:49spreadsheets, but it's so much easier to
  120. 4:51be able to just chat with it very
  121. 4:52quickly. We actually made this demo, I
  122. 4:54think, like yesterday. Um, so it's
  123. 4:56pretty amazing to see these are real
  124. 4:57time, very very uh very live types of
  125. 4:59products that you can use. Um, so really
  126. 5:02proud of what we've been able to launch
  127. 5:03here. But zooming out a little bit, one
  128. 5:06way that you could look at AI, it's as a
  129. 5:08disruptor. Um, when I think about it, I
  130. 5:10see it as an enabler. Uh, many consumers
  131. 5:13are using AI to become better informed
  132. 5:15about their financial lives, to become
  133. 5:17more involved in their financial lives,
  134. 5:18and they're ready to act. They're more
  135. 5:21likely to open a new account when they
  136. 5:22have more data. They're more likely to
  137. 5:24apply for a loan or to make a payment.
  138. 5:26And I think that they're better
  139. 5:27customers for all of you. Just ask a lot
  140. 5:30of the companies in this room that are
  141. 5:31leaning heavily into AI. Companies like
  142. 5:33Perplexity, Rex, Ramp, Copilot, and many
  143. 5:36others that are here. They're leaning
  144. 5:38into AI, and they're seeing huge gains
  145. 5:40in their business as a result.
  146. 5:44We're going to talk a lot more about AI
  147. 5:46today, but I'd like to shift gears
  148. 5:47before we do that. Let me just give you
  149. 5:49a quick update on what Plaid strategy,
  150. 5:51how it's evolved, and the products that
  151. 5:53we are we've launched in the first half
  152. 5:55of this year.
  153. 5:57We first shared Plaid with the world in
  154. 5:592014. It had taken us a while to build
  155. 6:01before, but we launched in 2014. At the
  156. 6:03time, there was no way to digitally
  157. 6:05interface with your bank account. And
  158. 6:07that's where we started. We integrated
  159. 6:09with 12,000 banks, credit unions,
  160. 6:11fintech apps, and wallets to make it
  161. 6:13really simple for consumers to link
  162. 6:15their digital accounts with the
  163. 6:16financial products that they wanted to
  164. 6:18use. Today, Flat enables easy, instant
  165. 6:21financial connections across pretty much
  166. 6:23everything that you would want to
  167. 6:24interact with. Consumers can make an
  168. 6:27investment with their Coinbase account
  169. 6:29or their Robin Hood account. They can
  170. 6:30apply for a loan using SoFi or Rocket.
  171. 6:33They can even buy a car online in just a
  172. 6:35couple of minutes. Oftentimes sitting on
  173. 6:37your couch. Believe me, I've tried it. I
  174. 6:39actually bought a car from Carvana
  175. 6:40online. Sitting on my couch, it took me
  176. 6:42about five minutes. More than half of
  177. 6:44the people that have bank accounts in
  178. 6:45the US have used Plaid to connect with
  179. 6:47their financial apps or to power
  180. 6:49services um which collectively have
  181. 6:51generated billions of financial
  182. 6:53interactions every single year. Now
  183. 6:56during co something really remarkable
  184. 6:58happened. Consumers were stuck at home,
  185. 7:00but they still needed to use financial
  186. 7:02products. And in that moment, all of you
  187. 7:04in this room and so far beyond stepped
  188. 7:07up to deliver the quality of products
  189. 7:08that consumers really needed. Fintech
  190. 7:10grew at a very rapid rate. And this
  191. 7:13industry itself really reached mass
  192. 7:15adoption. As an industry in that moment,
  193. 7:18I was able to reflect and say that we we
  194. 7:20basically solved financial access.
  195. 7:22anyone anywhere that needs access to a
  196. 7:25financial product was able to get it
  197. 7:26quite quickly through the products that
  198. 7:27you all built. But when I talk to
  199. 7:30consumers these days, they're very happy
  200. 7:32to have more financial access, but you
  201. 7:34still hear frustrations about the
  202. 7:36quality of the underlying products and
  203. 7:37the quality of the financial system that
  204. 7:38sits behind it. Some of the fundamentals
  205. 7:41of our financial system are harder than
  206. 7:42they need to be. Let's take an example.
  207. 7:45Let's look at credit scoring. Let's say
  208. 7:47that you were um let's say you were on
  209. 7:48the subway and you went to talk to
  210. 7:50someone about their credit score. Well,
  211. 7:52I understand they would probably just
  212. 7:53walk away and roll their eyes and think
  213. 7:55it's weird because no one talks to
  214. 7:56people on the subway, but let's say they
  215. 7:58did talk to you. Um, most people don't
  216. 8:00understand their credit scores. Or if
  217. 8:02they do, they'll tell you a story about
  218. 8:04how the credit score went down because
  219. 8:06they finally paid off that loan that
  220. 8:08they've been working so hard to pay off,
  221. 8:09which seems completely backwards.
  222. 8:11Consumers don't get it. It doesn't make
  223. 8:12sense. The fact is consumers don't
  224. 8:15understand our credit system and lenders
  225. 8:17themselves don't always get the
  226. 8:18predictive value that they want from
  227. 8:20traditional credit scores. So being a
  228. 8:22company that had a lot of access to data
  229. 8:24and a lot of access to customers that
  230. 8:26were giving us really great feedback, we
  231. 8:27knew that we could build something
  232. 8:29better. Given the size of our data
  233. 8:31network, the hundreds of millions of
  234. 8:33financial accounts that have been
  235. 8:34linked, the trillions of data points
  236. 8:36that we see um and all the data that we
  237. 8:38see we see through user identities, user
  238. 8:40actions, devices and so much more. We
  239. 8:43decided to build something bigger. We
  240. 8:45were thinking in this vein and that led
  241. 8:48us to a set of products that we call
  242. 8:49plaid intelligence. The first one we've
  243. 8:51talked about a little bit, we'll talk
  244. 8:52about more today. It's called Lens
  245. 8:54Score. It's a consumercentric credit
  246. 8:56score that pulls in all of your real
  247. 8:57world data. We also brought plaid
  248. 8:59intelligence to our anti-fraud product
  249. 9:01suite called protect, which we'll talk a
  250. 9:03little bit more about very shortly. And
  251. 9:05of course, we brought intelligence to
  252. 9:06our payments products. We were able to
  253. 9:08use intelligence to improve payment
  254. 9:09certainty and settlement. On the other
  255. 9:11side,
  256. 9:13when I reflect on the state of financial
  257. 9:14services today, I've never been more
  258. 9:16optimistic. The quality of AI enabled
  259. 9:19financial products that all of you are
  260. 9:20building is incredible. So, I just want
  261. 9:22to say thank you for your partnership.
  262. 9:24Thank you for the feedback. Thank you
  263. 9:26for all of you do all you do to serve
  264. 9:28your customers and to make financial
  265. 9:29services better for everyone. Okay,
  266. 9:32let's dive in. Next, I'm going to hand
  267. 9:34it off to our CTO, Will Robinson. Please
  268. 9:37welcome to the stage Plaid's Chief
  269. 9:39Technology Officer, Will Robinson.
  270. 9:47>> Hi, thank you very much.
  271. 9:50Over the last decade plus, we that's all
  272. 9:53of us in this room. We've quietly
  273. 9:55revolutionized consumer finance and it's
  274. 9:58happening again now, but this time is
  275. 10:00different because AI is reshaping how
  276. 10:03things go from idea to reality. And it's
  277. 10:06happening, frankly, faster than anything
  278. 10:08I've ever seen.
  279. 10:10Over just the last weekend, I was
  280. 10:12playing around with the Plaid CLI and a
  281. 10:14coding agent to link a few of my bank
  282. 10:16accounts, making a simple tool to help
  283. 10:18teach my 10-year-old son the basics of
  284. 10:20managing money. It's nothing polished,
  285. 10:22of course, but what would have taken a
  286. 10:25team and a week or two just a few years
  287. 10:26ago, I did in a couple of days. For
  288. 10:30someone who spent his life building
  289. 10:32products of all shapes and sizes, this
  290. 10:34felt different. And it's not because I'm
  291. 10:37a better engineer than I was. It's
  292. 10:39because AI is changing how we build.
  293. 10:43Whether you're a solo founder with a
  294. 10:45coding agent or a Fortune 500 company
  295. 10:48with a team launching a new product, the
  296. 10:50speed with which ideas become real has
  297. 10:52changed permanently. And the financial
  298. 10:55experiences that your users expect have
  299. 10:57changed as well. They want things that
  300. 10:59are more personalized, more responsive
  301. 11:01to what's actually happening in their
  302. 11:02lives. We call this the start of
  303. 11:05intelligent finance. But intelligent
  304. 11:08finance only works if the infrastructure
  305. 11:10underneath is built for it. And that's
  306. 11:12what I want to share with you today. How
  307. 11:14at Plaid, we're making our
  308. 11:16infrastructure even better so you can
  309. 11:18build faster and reach more users.
  310. 11:22Reliability,
  311. 11:24coverage, and conversion. As this
  312. 11:27industry innovates faster and faster,
  313. 11:29these fundamentals just get more and
  314. 11:32more important. Today, an unstable
  315. 11:34connection doesn't just mean a
  316. 11:36frustrated user. Instead, in an AI
  317. 11:39powered product, that can mean your
  318. 11:41model losing context entirely. And that
  319. 11:43separates a product from works, a
  320. 11:45product that works from one that
  321. 11:47doesn't.
  322. 11:49Reliability.
  323. 11:51API uptime is not just a metric to us.
  324. 11:54It is a commitment. I'm really proud to
  325. 11:56say that we've achieved more than four
  326. 11:58nines of API uptime over the last year,
  327. 12:00and we're going to keep pushing that
  328. 12:01number higher.
  329. 12:03But Plaid being up is only part of the
  330. 12:06picture. The connections to your users
  331. 12:09specific accounts need to work too.
  332. 12:11That's why we build granular diagnostics
  333. 12:14allowing you to see what's actually
  334. 12:15happening with a given bank connection.
  335. 12:17Right there in the Plaid dashboard, you
  336. 12:18can see live success rates and drill
  337. 12:20into a breakdown of errors so
  338. 12:22troubleshooting happens in real time. Of
  339. 12:25course, the best bank breakage is one
  340. 12:28that Plaid fixes too quickly for you to
  341. 12:30even notice. That's why we've also built
  342. 12:32AI agents that scan bank accounts
  343. 12:34continuously for breaking changes and
  344. 12:37autogenerate gross fixes running in
  345. 12:39parallel across thousands of bank
  346. 12:41integrations. Our engineers can then
  347. 12:44review and apply these fixes more than
  348. 12:4620 times faster than before,
  349. 12:48dramatically improving API reliability
  350. 12:50for you and your users.
  351. 12:53Coverage. We have industryleading
  352. 12:55coverage of more than 12,000 financial
  353. 12:57institutions, including community banks
  354. 12:59and credit unions. So, wherever your
  355. 13:01users bank, they're well covered. But to
  356. 13:04deliver on personalized experiences, you
  357. 13:07need even more data and a better
  358. 13:08understanding of your users's holistic
  359. 13:10financial lives. That's why we've
  360. 13:12expanded coverage to support over a 100
  361. 13:14top requested institutions in just the
  362. 13:16last 12 months, including RAMP, PennFed
  363. 13:19Credit Union, Gemini, and Gusto. And
  364. 13:22we're continuing to expand our coverage
  365. 13:24to support more data types, including
  366. 13:26business, identity, investment, and
  367. 13:29mortgage. Let's take mortgage data as an
  368. 13:32example.
  369. 13:33We recently quadrupled the number of
  370. 13:36mortgage accounts that are on the Plaid
  371. 13:37network. But coverage is still only part
  372. 13:39of the story. When a user connects their
  373. 13:42account for a refinancing offer, you
  374. 13:44need more than a loan balance. You need
  375. 13:46origination date, escrow balance, next
  376. 13:48monthly payment. That's why we've
  377. 13:50increased the fill rate on that sort of
  378. 13:51data by 20% in just the last 90 days.
  379. 13:56Last but not least, conversion. We've
  380. 13:59made a bunch of improvements to boost
  381. 14:01conversion, including a redesigned link
  382. 14:02experience, phone number prefill, and a
  383. 14:06new progress bar that guides users
  384. 14:07through the flow. Frankly, these kinds
  385. 14:10of upgrades might look small in
  386. 14:12isolation, but those three together with
  387. 14:14dozens more have increased conversion by
  388. 14:165% across the network. And at Plaid
  389. 14:19scale, that means millions more users
  390. 14:21successfully connecting their accounts
  391. 14:23to all of your apps. We're not done,
  392. 14:26though. We've also cut latency
  393. 14:28significantly. Link is up to five times
  394. 14:30faster when you preload it through our
  395. 14:32SDKs.
  396. 14:33That's the infrastructure getting better
  397. 14:35every year. So, your business keeps
  398. 14:37growing in an AI first world.
  399. 14:40Now, the way you and all developers work
  400. 14:43has also changed and plaid has to keep
  401. 14:45up. That's why we launched Sandbox
  402. 14:47Studio. So you can configure the perfect
  403. 14:49test environment for your new ideas
  404. 14:51without the setup overhead. Sandbox
  405. 14:53Studio is all about collapsing that
  406. 14:54multi-tool dance postman for flows,
  407. 14:57dashboard for keys, handedited JSON for
  408. 15:00test users into a single experience
  409. 15:02right on the plaid dashboard. You can
  410. 15:04spin up custom users via a form or via
  411. 15:07plain language prompt. Then hit run on
  412. 15:09any scenario or endpoint to see live
  413. 15:11responses.
  414. 15:13Now, for developers just starting to
  415. 15:15build on Plaid, the CLI that I mentioned
  416. 15:17earlier and our MCP servers are how you
  417. 15:20work in an agentic environment. Going
  418. 15:22from an idea to a working prototype
  419. 15:24shouldn't be the hard part. With our MCP
  420. 15:27servers, your AI agents can interact
  421. 15:29directly with Plaid Sandbox environment,
  422. 15:31generate test users, trigger web hooks,
  423. 15:33pull sandbox tokens without writing a
  424. 15:36single line of code.
  425. 15:39And for banks and financial
  426. 15:40institutions, later this year, we're
  427. 15:42launching an additional MCP server that
  428. 15:44lets you manage your Plaid integration
  429. 15:46using AI tools like Claude and Cursor.
  430. 15:49You'll be able to run automated
  431. 15:51validations of your API endpoints, debug
  432. 15:54failing requests by ID, and monitor
  433. 15:56integration health with LLM suggested
  434. 15:58code fixes. All of this will be possible
  435. 16:01without you even needing to open a
  436. 16:03browser.
  437. 16:05Now, we've talked about how you can
  438. 16:07build faster on an ever more reliable
  439. 16:09base, but the real secret sauce is the
  440. 16:13thing I'm always most excited to talk
  441. 16:15about, and that is the data foundation
  442. 16:18we've been building for a decade.
  443. 16:21Again, AI has raised expectations across
  444. 16:25finance for your users and for your
  445. 16:27business. Your users want more than a
  446. 16:30record of just what happened. And you
  447. 16:32need to make more better decisions
  448. 16:34faster for them. Faster fraud calls,
  449. 16:37more accurate credit decisions. To help
  450. 16:39deliver on that, you need the right data
  451. 16:42foundation. That's where the Plaid
  452. 16:44network really comes in. The connections
  453. 16:46that form that network give Plaid
  454. 16:48something no other platform has.
  455. 16:51Financial data at scale across more than
  456. 16:5312,000 institutions, across millions of
  457. 16:56users, and over time.
  458. 17:00We're now using this data to train
  459. 17:01models purpose-built for finance. That
  460. 17:04is the foundation of the next consumer
  461. 17:06finance revolution. What you can build
  462. 17:09on top of it, Sudu is about to show you.
  463. 17:11Thank you very much.
  464. 17:13>> Please welcome to the stage Plaid's head
  465. 17:15of data and AI, Sudu Sashadri.
  466. 17:29Will is right. What you can build with
  467. 17:32AI is only as powerful as the data
  468. 17:35foundation underneath it. But better
  469. 17:38data alone isn't enough. You need models
  470. 17:42purpose-built to understand it. Most AI
  471. 17:45and finance is focused on prediction.
  472. 17:48Every financial product is trying to
  473. 17:49make a better decision under
  474. 17:51uncertainty.
  475. 17:53Can this person afford a home? Are they
  476. 17:55ready to invest? Is this transaction
  477. 17:58fraudulent? Those are the right
  478. 18:00questions. But to answer them, you need
  479. 18:02to first focus on representation.
  480. 18:06Does your model actually understand what
  481. 18:07it's seeing? Because if it doesn't, the
  482. 18:10prediction doesn't matter. That's the
  483. 18:12problem I came to solve at Plaque.
  484. 18:14There's no other place where you can see
  485. 18:17how accounts, institutions, and devices
  486. 18:19are connected across the financial
  487. 18:21network. That data set is one of a kind.
  488. 18:25a data nerd's dream to work with. And
  489. 18:28now we're using it to build an
  490. 18:30intelligence layer that can actually
  491. 18:32make better decisions and drive better
  492. 18:34outcomes for you and for your customers.
  493. 18:37But before we get to the outcomes, let
  494. 18:39me show you what's underneath it.
  495. 18:42Most general purpose models pattern
  496. 18:45match on text. A generic model would
  497. 18:48label this transaction as a deposit. But
  498. 18:51is it severance, salary, or a
  499. 18:55reimbursement?
  500. 18:57A financial model has to know the
  501. 18:59context because underwriting, fraud, and
  502. 19:02cash flow decisions all changed from
  503. 19:04there. To get this context, we built a
  504. 19:07transaction foundation model that was
  505. 19:09trained on deidentified data across the
  506. 19:11plat network.
  507. 19:14It starts with a transaction
  508. 19:15interpreter. We extract entities from
  509. 19:17raw bank text. When merchant of payment
  510. 19:20signals are ambiguous, we add more
  511. 19:22context.
  512. 19:24Then we generate plain English
  513. 19:26representations of what a transaction
  514. 19:28likely means.
  515. 19:30Next, we train the model with
  516. 19:32contrastive learning. Instead of
  517. 19:34memorizing labels, the model learns by
  518. 19:37comparison.
  519. 19:39For each transaction, we generate two
  520. 19:42positive interpretations and one hard
  521. 19:44negative. We run those through a
  522. 19:46pre-trained encoder specifically adapted
  523. 19:48for financial transactions and pull true
  524. 19:51economic matches together and push the
  525. 19:53false ones apart.
  526. 19:56That's how dozens of messy merchant
  527. 19:57strings resolve to one merchant
  528. 19:59identity. How a payroll deposit
  529. 20:02separates from income. How subscriptions
  530. 20:06get recognized even when naming
  531. 20:08conventions vary.
  532. 20:11When we apply this model to our existing
  533. 20:13capabilities, the performance difference
  534. 20:15was meaningful. Primary categorization
  535. 20:18is up 13%.
  536. 20:21Loan payment detection is up 14%.
  537. 20:26And we're delivering 89% precision on
  538. 20:31income classification.
  539. 20:34All of these improve signals to help you
  540. 20:36understand how your users and customers
  541. 20:39manage their money.
  542. 20:41To be clear, this isn't building a
  543. 20:43better classifier for transactions. This
  544. 20:46is actually a better identification of a
  545. 20:48financial event.
  546. 20:50But even the most perfect transaction is
  547. 20:53still a snapshot.
  548. 20:55Because financial life isn't a bag of
  549. 20:58transactions, it's a sequence. That's
  550. 21:01where our sequential model comes in. The
  551. 21:04architecture here is different. Each
  552. 21:06event first passes through a fusion
  553. 21:08layer that combines transaction
  554. 21:11with time, amount, merchant,
  555. 21:14institution, and account context. Those
  556. 21:18events then flow through a transformer
  557. 21:20backbone that can read a financial
  558. 21:22history like one continuous narrative.
  559. 21:25And the real technical leap here is how
  560. 21:27we teach the model time. Our model
  561. 21:31encodes cyclical patterns like hour of
  562. 21:34day, day of week, and payday effects
  563. 21:38while still learning continuous time
  564. 21:40deltas. The difference between 5 minutes
  565. 21:43apart and 5 weeks apart. And we train
  566. 21:48this pre-trained this with
  567. 21:49self-supervised objectives like
  568. 21:51corruption detection and future
  569. 21:53observation prediction and temporal
  570. 21:55consistency.
  571. 21:57And before we ever fine-tune it for a
  572. 21:59product, we train the model to
  573. 22:01understand the behavior of financial
  574. 22:03system itself, what belongs in a
  575. 22:06sequence, what should come next, and
  576. 22:09when the story stops making sense. In
  577. 22:12other words, we are teaching the model
  578. 22:14the grammar of money.
  579. 22:17That is because most important
  580. 22:19transactions often live between these
  581. 22:22signals.
  582. 22:24Imagine Alex and Jake.
  583. 22:27two friends from New York City who both
  584. 22:29earn $4,000 a month. Alec gets a direct
  585. 22:32direct deposit every two weeks, pays
  586. 22:35rent on the first and keeps his savings
  587. 22:38cushion.
  588. 22:39He shows responsible financial behavior.
  589. 22:43While Jake has irregular inflows,
  590. 22:46surprise expenses, frequent overdraws, a
  591. 22:49sign of financial strain.
  592. 22:52Same monthly income, completely
  593. 22:54different temporal structure.
  594. 22:57This is the difference between a
  595. 22:58snapshot and a story.
  596. 23:00And when we take those learned sequence
  597. 23:02representations and apply them in real
  598. 23:05systems, the impact shows up where it
  599. 23:07matters.
  600. 23:09Our early testing of a sequential model
  601. 23:11shows that we've been able to detect 26%
  602. 23:14more high-risk AC transfers without
  603. 23:17increasing how many transactions get
  604. 23:19flagged.
  605. 23:20That's meaningful reduction in losses at
  606. 23:23scale. And with credit risk scoring at
  607. 23:27the same approval rate of 70%, we've
  608. 23:30we've been able to help lenders borrow
  609. 23:33borrowers approve 13% more in terms of
  610. 23:37like who are less likely to default.
  611. 23:40That's significantly less loss on your
  612. 23:42books. Same operating point, better
  613. 23:46decisions. That is the bigger point of
  614. 23:48all of this. Plaid is not building
  615. 23:51one-off models. We are building a
  616. 23:54financial intelligence layer. And that
  617. 23:57intelligence layer is shared across all
  618. 23:58of our products. So every improvement to
  619. 24:02a financial model would mean improvement
  620. 24:04across risk, payments, fraud, and
  621. 24:07financial management without every team
  622. 24:10solving the same problem from scratch.
  623. 24:13Here's what this means for you. Smarter
  624. 24:16fraud detection without new rules.
  625. 24:19better risk decisions without rebuilding
  626. 24:21your stack. Products that just don't
  627. 24:24react. They understand what's changing.
  628. 24:3016 years ago, I came to the US from
  629. 24:32Bangalore as a student.
  630. 24:35I did all the right things. Studied
  631. 24:38hard, saved, paid bills on time. But
  632. 24:42with no local credit history, progress
  633. 24:44felt slow. Financial freedom felt far
  634. 24:47away.
  635. 24:49My story isn't unusual. For many out
  636. 24:52there, there's often a gap between what
  637. 24:55shows up in their actual financial
  638. 24:56behavior and what's in a credit file.
  639. 24:59That's because the system was designed
  640. 25:01to measure history.
  641. 25:03But people can't always wait for that
  642. 25:05history to build. That's why this work
  643. 25:07matters to me. We are helping you see
  644. 25:10who your users actually are and what's
  645. 25:12happening in their financial lives right
  646. 25:14now.
  647. 25:16And by doing that, we designing a more
  648. 25:18open and fair financial system.
  649. 25:23Finance often looks like a ledger, but
  650. 25:26it behaves more like a language.
  651. 25:28Transactions have semantics, sequences
  652. 25:31have grammar, and when you can read
  653. 25:34both, you can build products that
  654. 25:36actually understand people and make
  655. 25:38better decisions for them. That's
  656. 25:41intelligent finance.
  657. 25:43And throughout effects, you will see
  658. 25:45where it's already showing up and where
  659. 25:47it goes next. Thank you.
  660. 25:51[applause]
  661. 25:58[music]
  662. 26:00Hello everyone. We are so excited that
  663. 26:03you are here. You are here at the Plaid
  664. 26:05Shopping Network at Plaid Time TV. My
  665. 26:08name is Alyssa and I'm here to tell you
  666. 26:10some exciting things that we have going
  667. 26:12on. And today with me I have two new
  668. 26:14friends. This is
  669. 26:17>> Hi everyone. I'm Benjamin Franklin. You
  670. 26:19probably know me best from the $100
  671. 26:21bill.
  672. 26:22>> And I'm President Abraham Lincoln. I
  673. 26:26don't know what this is or how I got
  674. 26:28here. [laughter]
  675. 26:29>> Well, welcome. Today we're going to talk
  676. 26:31about the financial future.
  677. 26:34>> Okay.
  678. 26:34>> Okay. I'm still trying to catch up to
  679. 26:36the financial present, but that sounds
  680. 26:38interesting.
  681. 26:38>> There's a big chunk of the past I'm
  682. 26:39figuring out, too.
  683. 26:40>> Yeah, actually. Same.
  684. 26:41>> And you get to be on television. Are you
  685. 26:43excited about that?
  686. 26:45>> I don't really understand what it is,
  687. 26:46but
  688. 26:48>> the moving picture
  689. 26:50>> doesn't make any more sense when you say
  690. 26:51it that way.
  691. 26:52>> Kind of like [laughter] a
  692. 26:56>> Yes. We're just so excited to show you
  693. 26:58all the different things that we have
  694. 26:59here at Plaid. There we are. One, two,
  695. 27:01three. Our three products that we're
  696. 27:03going to take a look at today. I can't
  697. 27:05wait to to do this with you, too.
  698. 27:07>> It's going to be fun.
  699. 27:08>> Yeah, we're going to have a great time.
  700. 27:09>> Stay tuned for more.
  701. 27:12>> Yes. And we'll be right back.
  702. 27:19>> Welcome to the stage product marketing
  703. 27:21lead at Plaid, Katherine Schuger.
  704. 27:26[music]
  705. 27:34Fraud never stops. Everyone in this room
  706. 27:37knows that. But AI has fundamentally
  707. 27:41changed the game. What's different now
  708. 27:43is the speed. AI is dramatically
  709. 27:46accelerating how quickly fraudsters can
  710. 27:49build, test, and scale attacks. What
  711. 27:52used to require real operational effort,
  712. 27:56creating believable identities,
  713. 27:57generating convincing application data,
  714. 28:00rotating communication patterns, can now
  715. 28:02be done faster, cheaper, and at a much
  716. 28:05greater scale. We're seeing it play out
  717. 28:08in real time across the Plaid network.
  718. 28:11And three attack vectors keep coming up
  719. 28:14again and again.
  720. 28:17Account takeover. Last year, ATO losses
  721. 28:20exceeded $15 billion,
  722. 28:23making it the costliest fraud type on
  723. 28:25record. AI assisted scams, fishing, and
  724. 28:30social engineering have become
  725. 28:31increasingly more effective at not just
  726. 28:35access at stealing not just access
  727. 28:37credentials, but the so-called full
  728. 28:39logs, full identities and access
  729. 28:41contexts, including location data and
  730. 28:43device snapshots.
  731. 28:45First party fraud is becoming much
  732. 28:48harder to distinguish from legitimate
  733. 28:50behavior. It now accounts for 36% of all
  734. 28:54reported fraud incidents globally, up
  735. 28:57from 15% last year. Users look
  736. 29:00trustworthy during onboarding, establish
  737. 29:02transaction history, build account
  738. 29:04tenure, and behave normally for weeks or
  739. 29:07months before engaging in fraudulent
  740. 29:09activity.
  741. 29:11Synthetic identities with aged accounts
  742. 29:14now allow fraudsters to hide in plain
  743. 29:16sight, moving through normal traffic in
  744. 29:18ways that were impossible just a few
  745. 29:20years ago. Last year, 73% of financial
  746. 29:24institutions reported a rise in
  747. 29:27synthetic identity fraud. All of these
  748. 29:30attack vectors have one thing in common.
  749. 29:33If you can only see what happens behind
  750. 29:36your four walls, you will get
  751. 29:38blindsided.
  752. 29:40Last year at Effects, we made a simple
  753. 29:42argument. Fraud is a network problem.
  754. 29:46Today, I'll bring that to life with a
  755. 29:49real attack we saw earlier this year.
  756. 29:52A few months ago, a major payments
  757. 29:55platform saw their account takeover rate
  758. 29:57jump from roughly 30 basis points to 80
  759. 30:00in just a few days. When they looked
  760. 30:03more closely, they saw that the
  761. 30:04invasions were coming from users
  762. 30:07connecting accounts to one specific
  763. 30:09bank. In fact, the ATO rate to that bank
  764. 30:13had hit 7%, 20 times more than their
  765. 30:16baseline. They had no idea why or what
  766. 30:20to do without having to fully shut down
  767. 30:22the connection, impacting thousands of
  768. 30:25legitimate users.
  769. 30:27When we looked at the sessions inside
  770. 30:29that spike, the first thing that stood
  771. 30:31out was geography.
  772. 30:33The IP locations were thousands of miles
  773. 30:36from the addresses on the bank accounts
  774. 30:38being connected. Neither the app nor the
  775. 30:41bank could see that. We could because
  776. 30:44we're watching both the session side and
  777. 30:46the account side at the same time.
  778. 30:48When we pulled the graph linking
  779. 30:50historical identities and bank account
  780. 30:52connections, we saw that those sessions
  781. 30:55were part of a larger scheme. They were
  782. 30:58in much denser components than normal
  783. 31:01traffic, shared devices, shared IP
  784. 31:04addresses, shared identity clusters
  785. 31:07across dozens of accounts. It was clear
  786. 31:10this was a coordinated attack built on
  787. 31:13shared infrastructure.
  788. 31:15After our team investigated the traffic,
  789. 31:18we designed a rule that could serve as a
  790. 31:20short-term solution. It flagged the
  791. 31:22majority of those sessions at a low
  792. 31:24stepup rate. We stopped the bleeding,
  793. 31:26but we still did not have a long-term
  794. 31:28fix. So, we had to go back to work. And
  795. 31:30the question we kept coming back to was,
  796. 31:33if seeing across the network let us
  797. 31:36unravel a ring after it happened, what
  798. 31:38would it look like to catch it as it's
  799. 31:40forming?
  800. 31:42A year ago at Effects, we introduced
  801. 31:44Protect, our fraud solution that scores
  802. 31:47every user in real time across
  803. 31:49onboarding, bank linking, and account
  804. 31:52activity, powered by our model, the
  805. 31:55Trust Index. The results have been
  806. 31:57powerful. On average, Protect could have
  807. 32:00detected 46%
  808. 32:02more firstparty fraud and could have
  809. 32:05prevented 52% of fraud dollar losses.
  810. 32:09The companies that have figured this out
  811. 32:11are already here. Gemini, Health Equity,
  812. 32:15Cash App, and many others.
  813. 32:18Let me show you what seeing across the
  814. 32:20network actually looks like.
  815. 32:23We can see that this device opened
  816. 32:25accounts at six different platforms in
  817. 32:27the last 72 hours. Each of those apps
  818. 32:30saw a clean new user, but when viewed
  819. 32:33across the network, the behavioral
  820. 32:35pattern becomes clear. And that kind of
  821. 32:38visibility is what makes firstparty
  822. 32:40fraud at scale much harder to pull off.
  823. 32:43We can see that the IP address of the
  824. 32:45session is thousands of miles from the
  825. 32:48address on every bank account this
  826. 32:51device has ever connected to across the
  827. 32:53entire network, not just your app. ATO
  828. 32:56gets a lot harder when that signal
  829. 32:59exists. We can see that this bank
  830. 33:01account disconnected immediately after
  831. 33:04an a transfer was initiated.
  832. 33:07Once that's noise across hundreds of
  833. 33:09accounts this month, that's a pattern.
  834. 33:12That's the power of seeing across the
  835. 33:14network.
  836. 33:16Today, we're announcing our latest model
  837. 33:19powering Protect Trust Index 3. We've
  838. 33:22pushed the model further. Deeper graph
  839. 33:25traversal, new data points, and over
  840. 33:283,000 new features specifically designed
  841. 33:31to close the attack vectors we're seeing
  842. 33:33across the network. Our latest model can
  843. 33:37now traverse the live graph further up
  844. 33:39to nine hops deep in real time.
  845. 33:42That means we can follow fraud across
  846. 33:45devices, profiles, banks, and identities
  847. 33:49in a single pass.
  848. 33:51We're also enriching our graph with new
  849. 33:53data to make TI3 much more powerful.
  850. 33:57First, account age. Synthetic
  851. 34:01identities, first party fraud, bust out
  852. 34:03schemes, they all depend on making a new
  853. 34:06account look established. And fraudsters
  854. 34:08have gotten good at this. TI3 combines
  855. 34:12age data from banks, transaction
  856. 34:14history, and network connection patterns
  857. 34:17to tell you whether an account is
  858. 34:19genuinely tenured or days old.
  859. 34:22Second, bank connection velocity across
  860. 34:25more than 12,000 banks.
  861. 34:28The pattern we see with the rampid
  862. 34:30increase in first party fraud is pretty
  863. 34:32consistent. Link multiple accounts to
  864. 34:35similar businesses across the network
  865. 34:36over a short span of time, exploit them,
  866. 34:39disconnect, and move on.
  867. 34:42By measuring that connection and
  868. 34:44disconnection velocity across the whole
  869. 34:46network, TI3 can identify intent to
  870. 34:49commute commit abusive behavior before
  871. 34:52it happens.
  872. 34:54Lastly, enhanced device identification.
  873. 34:57ATO in particular has gotten more
  874. 34:59sophisticated as fraudsters rotate
  875. 35:02devices and spoof fingerprints to stay
  876. 35:04invisible.
  877. 35:05Enhanced device identification powered
  878. 35:08by Plaid Link and strengthened with
  879. 35:10secure persistent cookie based signals
  880. 35:13is significantly more precise than
  881. 35:15traditional device fingerprinting. And
  882. 35:18because it runs inside link, fraudsters
  883. 35:20can't see it to evade it. Together,
  884. 35:23these signals power graph features that
  885. 35:26catch up to 41% more fraud than the
  886. 35:28previous model at the same false
  887. 35:30positive rate. This is live for Protect
  888. 35:33customers today. And if you're not on
  889. 35:35protect yet, come find us.
  890. 35:39But fraud doesn't stop evolving, and
  891. 35:40neither do we. Sudo just showed you how
  892. 35:43we're teaching models to understand
  893. 35:45financial data. Not just what a
  894. 35:47transaction looks like, but what it
  895. 35:49actually means and how behavior evolves
  896. 35:52over time. I'm excited to give you a
  897. 35:55sneak peek into what we're working on
  898. 35:57next, the fraud foundation model. What
  899. 36:00we're building doesn't wait for labeled
  900. 36:02data. It trains on the data that shows
  901. 36:05up before anyone labels it fraud. The
  902. 36:07warning signs in the sequence that
  903. 36:09precede the loss. The architectural bet
  904. 36:12is simple. The relationship between data
  905. 36:16and prediction that made language models
  906. 36:18better and better applies to sequential
  907. 36:21financial behavior too. XG Boost can't
  908. 36:24do that. But a foundation model built on
  909. 36:27a decade of financial activity across
  910. 36:29the plaid network can. It will be ready
  911. 36:32later this year.
  912. 36:34Here's the thing. We didn't build a
  913. 36:37fraud product and then go looking for
  914. 36:39data to power it. For over 10 years, we
  915. 36:42have been the connective tissue of fint,
  916. 36:45the infrastructure that sits between
  917. 36:47thousands of apps and the banking
  918. 36:49system. Every bank account linked, every
  919. 36:52device fingerprint, every time someone
  920. 36:55authenticated with their bank. Today,
  921. 36:58nearly a million people connect through
  922. 37:00Plaid every single day.
  923. 37:03That network powers fraud intelligence
  924. 37:06no one else can replicate. Not because
  925. 37:09they haven't tried, because you can't
  926. 37:11shortcut over a decade of being the
  927. 37:14infrastructure.
  928. 37:16That atto attack I told you about
  929. 37:18earlier, the ring was always there. What
  930. 37:21was missing was a system that could see
  931. 37:23the whole board. That's the gap plat is
  932. 37:26closing and now we have the data, the
  933. 37:29graph, and the model to do it. Thank
  934. 37:31you.
  935. 37:35[music]
  936. 37:36>> It was a fluke, honestly, the whole
  937. 37:38electricity thing, you know. Let's just
  938. 37:40say I like tying metal keys to stuff.
  939. 37:42Yeah. You know, it worked out for me.
  940. 37:45[snorts] Got my face on the $100.
  941. 37:47[laughter]
  942. 37:48>> OH, HELLO THERE, BENJAMIN.
  943. 37:51>> SHAME. DON'T SNEAK UP ON PEOPLE like
  944. 37:52that. didn't mean to surprise you like
  945. 37:54that. [laughter]
  946. 37:56>> So, Abe, what are we talking about next?
  947. 37:58>> Well, of course, we're talking about
  948. 37:59Plaid Protect. It protects you against
  949. 38:02fraudsters who are trying to put forth a
  950. 38:04false identity.
  951. 38:06>> Well, I love that. I hate being tricked.
  952. 38:08>> Yes. And if I'm being honest, Abe,
  953. 38:12I'm not Abraham Lincoln. It's me,
  954. 38:14Alyssa. [laughter]
  955. 38:16And that's Plaid Protect. It sees
  956. 38:18patterns that fraudsters can't fake and
  957. 38:20others can't see. I certainly love the
  958. 38:22idea of being protected from liars and
  959. 38:24huers and fraudsters.
  960. 38:25>> You know, this might be a good moment
  961. 38:27for you. You know, you got to learn.
  962. 38:29>> Yeah, this is a good moment for me. This
  963. 38:30is a really good moment for I'm glad
  964. 38:32we're capturing this.
  965. 38:34>> We got it.
  966. 38:34>> We got it. We get it from every angle.
  967. 38:37>> You can learn people are going to try to
  968. 38:38fake you out. But with Plaid Protect,
  969. 38:40you're totally protected. And at the
  970. 38:43center of this is the trust index. And
  971. 38:46the trust index uses thousands of data
  972. 38:48points to figure out if someone is
  973. 38:50fraudulent or not. And that's Plaid
  974. 38:53Protect. We'll be right back to the
  975. 38:55Plaid Shopping Network. Please tune in
  976. 38:58for more of me.
  977. 39:01[laughter]
  978. 39:03>> You and I need to talk about this. This
  979. 39:05was unprofessional.
  980. 39:07Please welcome to the stage head of
  981. 39:09credit go to market at Plaid, Mitch
  982. 39:11Cook.
  983. 39:15>> [music]
  984. 39:20>> So, I work in lending infrastructure and
  985. 39:24naturally all my friends and family
  986. 39:26treat me like I personally approve every
  987. 39:29loan in America.
  988. 39:31Super popular at parties, trust me. And
  989. 39:34a few months ago, my neighbor reached
  990. 39:36out to me about his daughter, Ashlin.
  991. 39:38Ashlin is 19. She started her own
  992. 39:41aesthetics business at 16. And honestly,
  993. 39:45she is crushing it, making about 17
  994. 39:49grand a month, but Ashlin's never had a
  995. 39:52credit card, never taken out a loan. So,
  996. 39:56when she went to go finance her first
  997. 39:58car, she got denied. Not because she
  998. 40:01couldn't afford it, because she didn't
  999. 40:03have enough credit history. So, I
  1000. 40:06connected her with a local credit union
  1001. 40:08that uses cash flow data in their
  1002. 40:10underwriting. They had her linker bank
  1003. 40:12account and suddenly they could see the
  1004. 40:16full picture. Consistent income,
  1005. 40:20disciplined spending, strong savings.
  1006. 40:23Her ability to repay was obvious.
  1007. 40:27And as you can probably guess, she was
  1008. 40:30approved almost instantly. treated as a
  1009. 40:34superp prime customer with the best
  1010. 40:36rates.
  1011. 40:38And Ashlin is not alone.
  1012. 40:41We see this everywhere. People with
  1013. 40:44strong financial footing getting
  1014. 40:46overlooked,
  1015. 40:48or people who hit a rough patch a few
  1016. 40:50years ago, missed a couple of payments
  1017. 40:52but have completely recovered since
  1018. 40:54then.
  1019. 40:55Traditional credit models only capture a
  1020. 40:58thin slice of someone's financial life.
  1021. 41:02But the reality is people's financial
  1022. 41:04stories are much richer than that. And
  1023. 41:08that's why here at Plaid, we've spent
  1024. 41:10the last several years focused on
  1025. 41:12bringing cash flow data to the forefront
  1026. 41:15of underwriting
  1027. 41:18across the Plaid network. With more than
  1028. 41:20a million financial connections
  1029. 41:22happening every day, we can see patterns
  1030. 41:25in income, spending, and financial
  1031. 41:29behavior long before it appears on a
  1032. 41:32credit report. We work with thousands of
  1033. 41:36lenders like Upstart, Lending Club, and
  1034. 41:39Rocket, powering millions of lending
  1035. 41:41decisions every single day.
  1036. 41:45And increasingly, we're seeing demand
  1037. 41:47from capital markets providers who want
  1038. 41:49to bring these same cash flow signals
  1039. 41:52into portfolio and investment decisions.
  1040. 41:55So today, I want to talk about how we're
  1041. 41:57bringing intelligence to every stage of
  1042. 42:01lending using cash flow data and AI to
  1043. 42:05help lenders better understand
  1044. 42:07borrower
  1045. 42:09from verification to underwriting to
  1046. 42:12servicing. helping lenders make better
  1047. 42:14decisions while expanding access
  1048. 42:16responsibly.
  1049. 42:19So, let's start with income
  1050. 42:20verification.
  1051. 42:22Every financial decision, whether it's
  1052. 42:25applying for a loan, expanded credit
  1053. 42:27lines, rentals, new accounts, you need
  1054. 42:30to be able to prove you have a job and
  1055. 42:33you have income.
  1056. 42:34And income sounds simple, but
  1057. 42:37historically, it's been really hard to
  1058. 42:40get right.
  1059. 42:41Most lenders still rely on payubs and
  1060. 42:44W2s.
  1061. 42:45The problem is they're incredibly easy
  1062. 42:48to fake.
  1063. 42:50In fact, one in five submitted are
  1064. 42:53actually fraudulent.
  1065. 42:55Recently, I was talking to a large auto
  1066. 42:57lender and they found an approved loan
  1067. 43:00application where the pastub literally
  1068. 43:02still had the watermark. This watermark
  1069. 43:05will be removed after purchase.
  1070. 43:08That's the baseline we're working with.
  1071. 43:11So, we rebuilt Plaid income from the
  1072. 43:14ground up to better reflect how income
  1073. 43:17actually shows up in the real world.
  1074. 43:21At the core is the transformer-based LOM
  1075. 43:23that Sudu mentioned that understands the
  1076. 43:27context behind each transaction,
  1077. 43:30grouping deposits into real income
  1078. 43:32streams based on patterns like
  1079. 43:35frequency, amount changes, and earning
  1080. 43:38behavior over time.
  1081. 43:41That drove 86%
  1082. 43:44precision for earned income without
  1083. 43:47sacrificing recall.
  1084. 43:49Lenders can also apply configurable
  1085. 43:51filters to include or exclude specific
  1086. 43:54income types based on their underwriting
  1087. 43:57criteria.
  1088. 43:59So things like recurring transfers from
  1089. 44:01friends or profits from sports betting
  1090. 44:04can automatically be excluded, making
  1091. 44:06decisions more consistent instead of
  1092. 44:09relying on manual judgment.
  1093. 44:12Now let's talk underwriting.
  1094. 44:15Lens score is the next generation credit
  1095. 44:18risk score built on cash flow and
  1096. 44:21behavioral data. It looks at what's
  1097. 44:24actually happening in someone's
  1098. 44:26financial life. Income, spending, cash
  1099. 44:30flow stability, and how those patterns
  1100. 44:33change over time. If income goes up
  1101. 44:36while spending stays flat, the score
  1102. 44:39improves.
  1103. 44:40No penalties for paying off a mortgage.
  1104. 44:43No weird incentives around closing a
  1105. 44:45credit card. It's designed to reflect
  1106. 44:48actual financial behavior.
  1107. 44:51But we've also taken it a step further.
  1108. 44:54Lens score is the only credit risk score
  1109. 44:57today that combines cash flow data with
  1110. 45:01insights from across the plaid network.
  1111. 45:04Signals traditional credit models simply
  1112. 45:06can't see.
  1113. 45:09And this is where it gets really
  1114. 45:11interesting because these network
  1115. 45:13behaviors are highly predictive and the
  1116. 45:17nuance matters.
  1117. 45:19For example, connecting to a wealth
  1118. 45:22management app, it shows 20%
  1119. 45:26lower delinquency risk.
  1120. 45:29But connecting to 10 or more apps, that
  1121. 45:32can actually signal double the default
  1122. 45:34risk. same category, completely
  1123. 45:38different behavior.
  1124. 45:41These are the kinds of signals you just
  1125. 45:42can't get from a traditional credit file
  1126. 45:45or even cash flow data alone.
  1127. 45:48And because of that, we're seeing very
  1128. 45:51meaningful improvements in performance.
  1129. 45:54On average, Lens Score delivers a 25%
  1130. 45:58lift in predictive performance compared
  1131. 46:01to traditional credit data alone and can
  1132. 46:04reduce risk by up to 41%
  1133. 46:08at the same approval rates. All at a
  1134. 46:11lower cost to lenders.
  1135. 46:13But one thing we've learned is that risk
  1136. 46:16is not one sizefits-all.
  1137. 46:20Lenscore gives you a very powerful
  1138. 46:22general purpose view of credit risk,
  1139. 46:26but different products have very
  1140. 46:28different risk dynamics.
  1141. 46:30And one of the clearest examples is cash
  1142. 46:34advance and earned wage access.
  1143. 46:37So these are two of the fastest growing
  1144. 46:39categories in consumer finance and also
  1145. 46:41some of the hardest to get right.
  1146. 46:44They involve highfrequency decisions,
  1147. 46:47small dollar amounts, and most providers
  1148. 46:50are still making decisions based on a
  1149. 46:52single connected bank account.
  1150. 46:56So, we decided to create something
  1151. 46:58purposebuilt for this exact use case,
  1152. 47:03the cash advance index.
  1153. 47:07The cash advance index predicts the
  1154. 47:09likelihood of repayment within 30 days,
  1155. 47:12giving providers a real time score they
  1156. 47:15can use to approve, size, and manage
  1157. 47:19advances.
  1158. 47:21It brings the same depth of network
  1159. 47:24intelligence into an environment where
  1160. 47:26decisions need to happen instantly and
  1161. 47:30repeatedly across the entire customer
  1162. 47:33life cycle.
  1163. 47:35In a randomized AB test with a leading
  1164. 47:38provider, the cash advance index reduced
  1165. 47:41delinquency by eight percentage points
  1166. 47:45with no drop in approval rates. And if
  1167. 47:48you know this space, that is a huge
  1168. 47:51improvement.
  1169. 47:53It means you can approve more of the
  1170. 47:55right users, extend the right amounts,
  1171. 47:58and manage risk risk much more
  1172. 48:00precisely.
  1173. 48:02Okay, so far we've mostly talked about
  1174. 48:05origination,
  1175. 48:07but the reality is that risk changes
  1176. 48:10over time.
  1177. 48:12Someone loses a job, takes on new
  1178. 48:14expenses, has a major life event, or
  1179. 48:17someone like me that has five hungry
  1180. 48:20kids at home.
  1181. 48:22Most lenders still don't have a simple
  1182. 48:24way to monitor those changes in real
  1183. 48:26time. That's where servicing comes in.
  1184. 48:31At origination, you're already using
  1185. 48:33Plaid's income and underwriting products
  1186. 48:34to evaluate a borrower.
  1187. 48:37Now, you can monitor that same borrower
  1188. 48:40over time through ongoing updates to
  1189. 48:43income, balances, and transaction
  1190. 48:46activity in real time or once a full
  1191. 48:50refresh view across all accounts is
  1192. 48:53available.
  1193. 48:55So, take a rent splitting app. After
  1194. 48:59approving a borrower to split rent into
  1195. 49:01installments, the app leverages Plaid to
  1196. 49:05monitor the borrower's income and cash
  1197. 49:07flow.
  1198. 49:08That gives lenders the ability to
  1199. 49:10reassess risk before each advance and
  1200. 49:14even align repayment timing to when
  1201. 49:16funds actually arrive.
  1202. 49:20So instead of falling behind on rent,
  1203. 49:22renters can align their payments to
  1204. 49:25their cash flow and stay financially on
  1205. 49:28track.
  1206. 49:30Coming back to Ashlin,
  1207. 49:34nothing about her financial life changed
  1208. 49:36between getting denied and getting
  1209. 49:38approved. The only thing that changed
  1210. 49:42was the lens we used to evaluate her.
  1211. 49:46And that's what makes this so powerful.
  1212. 49:50Because cash flow data isn't just about
  1213. 49:52helping thin file borrowers.
  1214. 49:54It's about giving lenders a more
  1215. 49:56complete
  1216. 49:58realtime understanding of financial
  1217. 50:00health for every borrower.
  1218. 50:04That's what we're building at Plaid, an
  1219. 50:07intelligence layer powered by cash flow
  1220. 50:09and network insights that helps lenders
  1221. 50:13make better decisions across the entire
  1222. 50:16life cycle.
  1223. 50:18and we're here to help you see the full
  1224. 50:22picture. Thank you.
  1225. 50:28[music]
  1226. 50:29>> Oh, we're back. Yes. Hello and welcome
  1227. 50:32to the Plaid Shopping Network. I am
  1228. 50:34Melissa.
  1229. 50:35>> It's me, Ben. Honest.
  1230. 50:37>> And we're here to talk about Plaid Lens
  1231. 50:40Score.
  1232. 50:41>> Can you tell us a little bit about
  1233. 50:42Plaid?
  1234. 50:43>> I'm sure the people at home want to hear
  1235. 50:44all about Plaid Lens.
  1236. 50:45>> Oh, you're going to love it. Plaid Lens
  1237. 50:47Score. a more precise way to make credit
  1238. 50:50decisions.
  1239. 50:50>> Oh,
  1240. 50:51>> now do you folks know what what credit
  1241. 50:53is?
  1242. 50:54>> A notch on a tree every time you get a
  1243. 50:56gallon of milk.
  1244. 50:57>> That's how I understand it.
  1245. 50:58>> Plaid lens score is a new way to assess
  1246. 51:01credit risk and offers consumers the
  1247. 51:04chance to share a more complete picture
  1248. 51:06of their financial lives. Credit
  1249. 51:08normally looks back at your past, but
  1250. 51:11Plaid Lend Score likes to look at the
  1251. 51:13future of you as a borrower.
  1252. 51:14>> Oo. Oh, it's almost like a crystal ball.
  1253. 51:17>> Yes. Using lend score, borrowers get a
  1254. 51:21score from 1 to 99, indicating
  1255. 51:23likelihood to repay a loan. Now, let's
  1256. 51:27think about this. What is your lend
  1257. 51:30score?
  1258. 51:31>> 100.
  1259. 51:32>> Ah, no. It's just from 1 to 99.
  1260. 51:35>> Yeah. I'm probably 73.
  1261. 51:37>> 73.
  1262. 51:38>> Yeah. Sometimes I'm a bit of a scamp.
  1263. 51:40>> Oh, [laughter]
  1264. 51:42>> I wouldn't lend to me. Oh.
  1265. 51:52Please welcome to the stage head of
  1266. 51:53payments at Plaid, Brian Demir.
  1267. 52:02>> Good afternoon. Fintech is all about
  1268. 52:05numbers. So, let's start with a really
  1269. 52:06big one. 93 trillion. $93 trillion flow
  1270. 52:12through a last year in the United
  1271. 52:13States. AC in bank payments more broadly
  1272. 52:17are the backbone of the digital economy
  1273. 52:20and are growing three times faster than
  1274. 52:22credit card payments. These are the
  1275. 52:24transactions that run people's financial
  1276. 52:27lives. From funding investment accounts
  1277. 52:30to repaying loans to paying invoices.
  1278. 52:33But here's the reality. AC was simply
  1279. 52:36built for a different era. And the gap
  1280. 52:38between how it works and how consumers
  1281. 52:41expect it to work has only widened over
  1282. 52:43time. We at Plaid are on a mission to
  1283. 52:46apply the power of our network to make
  1284. 52:49bank payments match the expectation of
  1285. 52:51the modern consumer. Our goal is to make
  1286. 52:54bank payments seamless in order to drive
  1287. 52:57the growth of your business. Nearly
  1288. 53:007,000 companies use Plaid to connect
  1289. 53:03their bank account. That includes
  1290. 53:04leaders in lending, remittance, crypto,
  1291. 53:07banking, gaming, accounting, software,
  1292. 53:10and so much more. And 89% of top fintexs
  1293. 53:14leverage us in some capacity.
  1294. 53:17The use cases are different, but the
  1295. 53:19core opportunity remains the same.
  1296. 53:21Whether it's investment platforms
  1297. 53:23driving assets under management, buy now
  1298. 53:26pay laterers optimizing repayment, or
  1299. 53:28banks driving privacy, building seamless
  1300. 53:32payment experiences is central to all of
  1301. 53:34their missions.
  1302. 53:36In order to do this, there are four
  1303. 53:39things that payment leaders and Plaid
  1304. 53:41cares deeply about. Selection,
  1305. 53:44conversion,
  1306. 53:46risk assessment, and money movement.
  1307. 53:51Selection is about making bank payments
  1308. 53:53the preferred choice. Plaid's embedded
  1309. 53:56SDK and link flows are dynamic and
  1310. 53:59adaptive. Whether it's a checkout, a
  1311. 54:02bank linking experience, or a one-off
  1312. 54:04payment, it adapts to optimize for that
  1313. 54:08particular experience.
  1314. 54:10Embedded institution search, which you
  1315. 54:12can see here, surfaces the banks that a
  1316. 54:14user is most likely to use using
  1317. 54:17real-time geoloccation data as well as
  1318. 54:19network heristics.
  1319. 54:21Additionally, our user experience is
  1320. 54:23optimized to create a trusted familiar
  1321. 54:26experience.
  1322. 54:27The aggregate result of all of this work
  1323. 54:30is that Plaid customers see a five times
  1324. 54:33lift in bank payment adoption compared
  1325. 54:35to other solutions.
  1326. 54:38After that is conversion. Conversion is
  1327. 54:42about making sure the user can finish
  1328. 54:44what they started. Our o engine
  1329. 54:47seamlessly integrates open banking
  1330. 54:50powered off manual entry and even
  1331. 54:53instant micro deposits into one seamless
  1332. 54:56user journey. Importantly, the user
  1333. 54:59never sees the layers. Whether they're a
  1334. 55:02Zoomer who's perfectly comfortable with
  1335. 55:03an app flow or my grandmother who's
  1336. 55:06going to get a checkbook out of her uh
  1337. 55:07drawer, they see one flow that adapts
  1338. 55:10based on their needs and their
  1339. 55:12preferences.
  1340. 55:13And for the 100 million Americans who
  1341. 55:16have a Saved Plat account, we also offer
  1342. 55:18a streamlined user payments experience,
  1343. 55:21account connection in as little as one
  1344. 55:23click.
  1345. 55:25Returning users consistently convert 11%
  1346. 55:28higher and the plaid experience has
  1347. 55:31lifted conversion by as much as 54%
  1348. 55:34against the competition.
  1349. 55:37Together these flows are the front door
  1350. 55:39of modern bank payments.
  1351. 55:42We have powered over 9 billion payment
  1352. 55:44sessions in counting and we are
  1353. 55:46constantly running new experiments
  1354. 55:48focused on selection and conversion.
  1355. 55:52So the user is converted but now we have
  1356. 55:54to assess risk in bank payments. There
  1357. 55:57are two types of risk. Settlement risk
  1358. 56:00will the funds actually arrive as well
  1359. 56:03as fraud risk. Is this a legitimate
  1360. 56:05payment or is a bad actor involved? This
  1361. 56:08is where signal comes in. Signal is our
  1362. 56:11AI power plower transaction risk model.
  1363. 56:13It has assessed more than a quarter of a
  1364. 56:15trillion dollars in transactions by
  1365. 56:18evaluating account connection history,
  1366. 56:20identity information, prior AC events,
  1367. 56:23and account behavior to tell you whether
  1368. 56:26or not a payment will succeed.
  1369. 56:28Brands like Uphold, a top crypto
  1370. 56:30exchange, have used Signal to reduce
  1371. 56:32return losses by over 80%. And we
  1372. 56:36estimate that Signal has saved the
  1373. 56:38fintech ecosystem more broadly over $135
  1374. 56:41million in losses in just the last few
  1375. 56:44years alone.
  1376. 56:46Finally, most critical to any payment
  1377. 56:49journey is the actual moving m of money.
  1378. 56:51That's the whole point, right? Which is
  1379. 56:53where Plaid Transfer comes in. Transfer
  1380. 56:56is one API for every bank rail. AC,
  1381. 57:00wires, RTP, RFP, and Fed now all in one
  1382. 57:04solution. Dynamic routing, a built-in
  1383. 57:07ledger, and a featurerich dashboard for
  1384. 57:10full visibility on every single payment.
  1385. 57:13We process billions of dollars in bank
  1386. 57:15payments, and are on a mission to make
  1387. 57:17realtime payments adoption absolutely
  1388. 57:20seamless.
  1389. 57:22Selection, conversion, risk, and money
  1390. 57:25movement. the full payment life cycle,
  1391. 57:28each step of which is made better by the
  1392. 57:30Plaid network.
  1393. 57:32But if you ask our customers
  1394. 57:34consistently where they still feel pain,
  1395. 57:36the answer is remarkably consistent.
  1396. 57:39It's risk.
  1397. 57:41Every time you initiate a bank payment,
  1398. 57:43you face a difficult trade-off. AC takes
  1399. 57:46days to settle. Returns can come days
  1400. 57:49after that. But you have to decide right
  1401. 57:52now. fund the account and absorb the
  1402. 57:54loss if the payment fails eventually or
  1403. 57:56hold funds and risk losing a customer
  1404. 57:58who simply won't wait. We all know that
  1405. 58:01the modern consumer expects their funds
  1406. 58:04now. So get it wrong in either direction
  1407. 58:07and you pay for it either in losses or
  1408. 58:10in churn. The teams that are getting
  1409. 58:12this dynamic right are the ones pulling
  1410. 58:14ahead and the ones that aren't are
  1411. 58:16leaving money on the table with every
  1412. 58:18single transaction.
  1413. 58:20And what we hear consistently is that
  1414. 58:22while teams care deeply about this
  1415. 58:23trade-off, not every team wants to
  1416. 58:26become experts in a risk. They simply
  1417. 58:29want bank payments to work. So we built
  1418. 58:32a new product for that. We combined the
  1419. 58:35power of our network, unrivaled
  1420. 58:37experience in a risk, and worked with
  1421. 58:40customers who wanted a radically
  1422. 58:42simplified. With this, we build
  1423. 58:45guaranteed payments, the
  1424. 58:47industry-leading risk solution that
  1425. 58:49takes the guesswork out of bank
  1426. 58:51payments. And it is ready today.
  1427. 58:55And here's how it works. Plaid
  1428. 58:57guarantees a settlement for every
  1429. 58:59approved transaction. If a payment fails
  1430. 59:02after we've approved it, Plaid covers
  1431. 59:05the loss, not you. It is that simple.
  1432. 59:08You process the payment and delight the
  1433. 59:10consumer with real time fulfillment.
  1434. 59:13Let's dive a little bit into the
  1435. 59:15consumer journey. Importantly, a
  1436. 59:18guaranteed payment looks no different to
  1437. 59:20the end customer. They go through the
  1438. 59:23same experience that I just showed you.
  1439. 59:25In this example, a consumer is funding a
  1440. 59:28brokerage account. Here it is. The
  1441. 59:31person is already in the Plaid network.
  1442. 59:33So, after verifying with an OTP, they
  1443. 59:36confirm with one click. On the back end,
  1444. 59:39guarantee is integrated directly into
  1445. 59:42Plaid Transfer. You make a guarantee
  1446. 59:44request in the transfer authorization
  1447. 59:46endpoint, adding a single field to your
  1448. 59:49implementation.
  1449. 59:51Behind the scenes are models, which are
  1450. 59:53powered by signal and protect evaluate
  1451. 59:55the transaction in real time across more
  1452. 59:58than 2,000 attributes.
  1453. 1:00:00Have we seen this user before? Yes. How
  1454. 1:00:03many times has the account been
  1455. 1:00:05connected on the Plaid network or any
  1456. 1:00:08past a returns? Yes, there was a single
  1457. 1:00:11R1, but it was 2 years ago. And the
  1458. 1:00:14decision comes back in milliseconds. And
  1459. 1:00:16in this case, it's been approved. And if
  1460. 1:00:19Plaid declines to guarantee, you can
  1461. 1:00:21still process the transaction and take
  1462. 1:00:23on the risk yourself. The user gets
  1463. 1:00:26immediate access to funds and you get a
  1464. 1:00:28guaranteed settlement from Plaid. That's
  1465. 1:00:31it. from an OTP to a guaranteed
  1466. 1:00:34settlement. Radically simple to
  1467. 1:00:36implement and invisible to the consumer.
  1468. 1:00:40The end result of this is that teams can
  1469. 1:00:43focus on growth while more consumers get
  1470. 1:00:46instant experiences powered by bank
  1471. 1:00:48payments.
  1472. 1:00:49The results so far are truly remarkable.
  1473. 1:00:53One of our launch partners who did a
  1474. 1:00:54head-to-head test against their own
  1475. 1:00:56internal logic managing a on their own
  1476. 1:00:59versus guaranteed payments saw a 24%
  1477. 1:01:02higher approval rate against their
  1478. 1:01:04baseline logic. This is the power of the
  1479. 1:01:07plaid network in action. We've been
  1480. 1:01:09building guaranteed payments with
  1481. 1:01:11partners like Kelshi, Poly Market and
  1482. 1:01:13Solve platforms that needed approval
  1483. 1:01:15rates at the leading edge of the
  1484. 1:01:17industry and a partner who could handle
  1485. 1:01:19their scale. We have seen
  1486. 1:01:22implementations in as little as two
  1487. 1:01:24weeks and approval rates as high as 90%.
  1488. 1:01:29When it comes to payment risk, every
  1489. 1:01:32business has a different appetite for
  1490. 1:01:34control. Some want to manage risk
  1491. 1:01:36themselves, working directly with model
  1492. 1:01:38outputs and signals. Others want to
  1493. 1:01:41focus on their core product and have
  1494. 1:01:42experts manage risk on their behalf.
  1495. 1:01:45Plaid now has solutions for both. all
  1496. 1:01:48built in the same underlying models,
  1497. 1:01:50platform, and network intelligence.
  1498. 1:01:53For teams who want risk manage for them,
  1499. 1:01:55the solution is guaranteed payments, and
  1500. 1:01:58I'm proud to say that it's available
  1501. 1:02:00now. We'd love to help you get started
  1502. 1:02:02on this. So, get in touch with your
  1503. 1:02:04account team to learn more.
  1504. 1:02:07We're so excited to continue working
  1505. 1:02:09with all of you on this continued
  1506. 1:02:10evolution of bank payments. The end
  1507. 1:02:13result of all of this is higher
  1508. 1:02:15conversion, fewer losses, instant
  1509. 1:02:19settlement, and with the power of the
  1510. 1:02:20Plaid network, bank payments are
  1511. 1:02:22performing better than ever. Thank you.
  1512. 1:02:30>> Welcome back to the Plaid Shopping
  1513. 1:02:31Network. As always, I am Melissa and I'm
  1514. 1:02:34here with Honest Abe himself and we're
  1515. 1:02:36here to tell you some more things about
  1516. 1:02:38our friend Plaid Guaranteed Payments.
  1517. 1:02:40And this is brand new. New is a
  1518. 1:02:42doorbell.
  1519. 1:02:43>> What? I don't know what a doorbell is.
  1520. 1:02:45>> Get up to 90% payment approval rates
  1521. 1:02:48without added risk.
  1522. 1:02:50>> 90% without added risk. That's
  1523. 1:02:52absolutely fabulous.
  1524. 1:02:54>> I'm quite riskaverse myself. You know,
  1525. 1:02:56that's why I spend every night safely
  1526. 1:02:57seated in a dark theater.
  1527. 1:03:00>> Great. Plaid guaranteed payments is a
  1528. 1:03:03managed a service that makes bank
  1529. 1:03:05transfers predictable. If Plaid approves
  1530. 1:03:08the transaction, the transaction is
  1531. 1:03:11going through.
  1532. 1:03:11>> Well, that's very exciting. It sounds
  1533. 1:03:13like confidence is built into every a
  1534. 1:03:15payment. [laughter]
  1535. 1:03:18>> And we're going to have more fun when we
  1536. 1:03:19come back to the Plaid Shopping Network
  1537. 1:03:21and hear even more about our three
  1538. 1:03:22amazing products.
  1539. 1:03:24>> Call this number using the Now, the
  1540. 1:03:28telephone.
  1541. 1:03:29>> Yes.
  1542. 1:03:31>> What is [music] it?
  1543. 1:03:38Please welcome back to the stage Plaid
  1544. 1:03:40co-founder and CEO Zack Pereé.
  1545. 1:03:48Okay, that's it for the intro kickoff.
  1546. 1:03:51Uh I hope that you had as much fun as I
  1547. 1:03:53did. That was so cool to see all of the
  1548. 1:03:54things that we've been working on for
  1549. 1:03:56just a little while. When I look at
  1550. 1:03:57what's happening in fintech right now,
  1551. 1:03:59all the products that you saw, all the
  1552. 1:04:01things that you're building, um, I've
  1553. 1:04:02never been more optimistic nor more
  1554. 1:04:04excited. Uh, I think we're still
  1555. 1:04:06incredibly early in this phase. Uh, AI
  1556. 1:04:08is continuing to change everything and
  1557. 1:04:10it's going to be a blast as we all work
  1558. 1:04:12through it together. Um, as for what
  1559. 1:04:14comes next, please come talk to our
  1560. 1:04:15teams. We'll be around. There going to
  1561. 1:04:17be a bunch of sessions that are
  1562. 1:04:18happening very shortly. Um, a lot of
  1563. 1:04:19people here are working on the same
  1564. 1:04:21problems or similar problems to all of
  1565. 1:04:22you. So, please meet each other. That's
  1566. 1:04:24what today is for. Thank you all for
  1567. 1:04:26being here. and you'll hear a little bit
  1568. 1:04:27more from us in just a few hours.
  1569. 1:04:29[applause]
  1570. 1:04:35[music]
  1571. 1:04:35>> Thank you so much for joining us today.
  1572. 1:04:37And gosh dang it, we ran out of time.
  1573. 1:04:40>> Dang.
  1574. 1:04:41>> Well, I have had the time of my life
  1575. 1:04:42here with you.
  1576. 1:04:43>> Did you boys have fun?
  1577. 1:04:44>> Oh, it was a gas.
  1578. 1:04:45>> Oh, I had the best time.
  1579. 1:04:47>> Me, too. You guys are my bestest
  1580. 1:04:49friends. [laughter]
  1581. 1:04:52>> Absolutely loved it. Well, you're all a
  1582. 1:04:53part of the Plaid Network, so we'll see
  1583. 1:04:55you on plaid.com.
  1584. 1:04:56>> We'll see you there.
  1585. 1:04:57>> So long.
  1586. 1:04:58>> Have a good one, everyone.
  1587. 1:04:59>> We will miss you.
  1588. 1:05:01>> Yes.
  1589. 1:05:02>> Yes.
  1590. 1:05:02>> All right. Good work, everybody. Great
  1591. 1:05:04job.
  1592. 1:05:05>> Great call. We love you. We miss you.
  1593. 1:05:07>> We could hang out. Do you guys hang out?
  1594. 1:05:09>> Oh my god. I'm really busy tonight,
  1595. 1:05:10though.
  1596. 1:05:11>> Yeah. It's kind of a rough one for me.
  1597. 1:05:14>> All right. That's great. And this has
  1598. 1:05:16been Alyssa at the Plaid Shopping
  1599. 1:05:18Network, and we can't wait to see you
  1600. 1:05:20here soon.
  1601. 1:05:23Goodbye.

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