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0:03have you ever watched Silence of the
0:04Lambs yeah I saw that what did you think
0:07of that
0:08film not much a justice department
0:12investigator calls it terrifying an
0:14epidemic they're known as serial killers
0:17there are at least 35 of them roaming
0:19the country
0:22now all serial killers born or
0:27made There is almost always a pattern to
0:30the killings these people normally don't
0:32stop 20 killings eight murders 15 human
0:35bodies including three heads preserved
0:37in a
0:39refrigerator these men brought
0:42unspeakable horror into the lives of
0:44Americans in the
0:461970s their names still haunt America
0:50today serial killer Jeffrey D Son of Sam
0:53John Wayne gayy Ted Bundy diabolical
0:55genius deceptive
0:58manipulative many have been EX uted but
1:01one of them is still alive he had the
1:03darkest eyes I have ever seen he can put
1:07on the mask of Bernard Eugene Giles but
1:12when you take off the mask he's the
1:14monster I want to know how these men
1:18think and why they
1:20killed and now finally a serial killer
1:24willing to confess all are you proud of
1:27the label serial killer
1:35[Music]
1:45one summer in the early
1:471970s a young couple moved into this
1:50trailer park on the east coast of
1:53Florida Bernard Giles was just 20 his
1:56wife was
1:5818 and they had a new born
2:01daughter neither his family or his new
2:04neighbors had any reason to suspect that
2:06Giles was harboring a deep compulsion to
2:09kill see the trailer with the carport
2:13structure that's where his trailer was
2:16Sunday afternoon was my laundry day and
2:19it just seemed like I ran into him so
2:21much in there oh it's it's I it's the
2:24same I can't believe that he would be
2:27sitting up here just I usually get those
2:31down there he never said a word he no
2:33never and he'd be sitting here and just
2:36dangling his legs and just
2:39looking wonder why he would sit in here
2:42I don't
2:43know cuz I don't think he ever had any
2:49laundry Bernard Giles has been in prison
2:52for 45
2:55years after a long period of contact
2:59he's finally agreed to meet
3:03[Music]
3:07me Mr Charles good to see you morning
3:09sir thank you come and sit
3:17down Berner thank you for giving us the
3:20time today yes sir you're serving five
3:24life sentences for killing five young
3:27women so my first question is did you
3:30kill those women yes sir I
3:34did let's go back to your early life
3:37with most people that commit heinous
3:40crimes yes you can normally point to
3:42something that doesn't justify but might
3:45go some way to explaining it the Curious
3:49Thing about your early life is there
3:51doesn't seem to be anything there there
3:54was no appalling upbringing you were one
3:57of four kids yeah you were well taken
3:59care care of my brothers and sisters
4:01have done well you were loved as a
4:05child
4:07yes and was the driving force for that
4:10compulsion was it violence was it sexual
4:14it was all sexual it was all sexual and
4:17that's the thing it's like um people who
4:21they become
4:23imprinted before they're five or six I
4:27knew the roots of mine I knew where it
4:29came from where did it come from you the
4:32initial sexual imprinting was an act of
4:34violence
4:35against a girl you were 6 years old and
4:39you were playing just a game of of Witch
4:41Hunt where a girl would pretend to be a
4:44witch and you would all chase after she
4:46was a a neighbor of yours right was in
4:48in a a back
4:49bedroom and
4:52uh the part that I remember was
4:54straddling her and strangling her right
4:59playing
5:01and
5:03uh that was my initial sexual imprint
5:07from that point on as a child growing up
5:11I became obsessed with
5:16this the term itself serial killer was
5:20uh not well known back in the
5:241970s however later we started seeing
5:27these terms come up in the detective
5:30magazines and other kinds of TV shows
5:34but mostly we believe that the serial
5:37killers happened somewhere
5:40else Berard Giles was one of Florida's
5:43first serial killers he terrorized an
5:45entire
5:47community in just 12 weeks he murdered
5:50five
5:54women two of the bodies were found just
5:57yards from his trailer where he lived
5:59with with his wife and
6:01child Bob teler was a young State's
6:04Attorney at the time he discovered their
6:07remains it stayed with him ever since so
6:12Bob when you found these two bodies
6:14within two days it must have sent a
6:17shudder through everybody well back then
6:20and of course it was a different time
6:21and a different place and girls were
6:24hitchhiking it was a common occurrence
6:26to see that up and down the road uh
6:28particularly in a small Community like
6:30this all that stopped overnight uh there
6:34was a shutter that went through the
6:36community there was publicity about this
6:39the hitchhiking stopped and people
6:41started looking over their shoulder what
6:43this man did Bernard Giles to these
6:46young women was just appalling it it was
6:50and you know it's every parents
6:52nightmare to realized that the last few
6:54moments of her life were Terror filled
6:57with a psychopath and
7:00she was going to die at a young age just
7:02makes it even
7:07worse throughout his childhood there
7:10were no outward signs that Berard Giles
7:13was deeply
7:14troubled but into his teens he was
7:17failing at school and dropped
7:21out and then one day his obsession took
7:25over when he was 16 there was a young
7:28woman walking in front of you and you
7:31suddenly
7:32felt an urge to kill her tell me about
7:36that was like an an opportunity that had
7:40presented itself to me and this woman
7:43was getting in with VW and I had a knife
7:47and I went past the car and fortunately
7:52I kept going I just kept going what were
7:54you feeling in that moment
7:57extraordinarily hyped
7:59and what were you thinking you may do to
8:01that woman well if if it had gone the
8:05other way I'd have murdered
8:07her at the age of 16 yes
8:12sir I it's a chilling thing to hear this
8:15is not I'm sure you recognize this this
8:18is not a normal oh I understand that
8:20none of this feels normal sir you're 16
8:24years old and you have just this
8:26extraordinary compulsion to kill this
8:28woman yes sir
8:29but it passed you moved on yes sir it
8:33was it just wasn't overwhelming it
8:35didn't you know it was
8:37just and I didn't I just kept
8:40moving and if you hadn't kept moving
8:42that woman would have been
8:45murdered and she would have no idea to
8:47this day I imagine no she didn't even
8:50she never even glanced back at
8:53me you wished you had killed her no I
8:56don't I'm glad that I didn't I wish I
8:58hadn't killed any of my
9:00victims you know were you in any doubt
9:03at that stage that one day it would
9:06happen no no doubt at all you knew this
9:09was something you had to do yes sir it
9:13was for me this was my life's passion up
9:17to that
9:21point to do what to murder to murder
9:28women
9:35[Music]
9:38I mean there'll be viewers watching this
9:40going this guy
9:41was apparently normal late teenage
9:46guy he's got married he's got a little
9:48baby
9:50girl life seems fine and yet ticking
9:54away is this this horrific time
9:58bomb and that's very frequently been the
10:01case that you have people that they
10:04present as perfectly
10:09normal you know you're looking for these
10:12sort of trigger
10:14points where is that trigger that what
10:17happens and it may very well have been
10:20the stresses he felt in being married
10:23being you know a 19 20y old guy with a
10:27child and and really you can see him
10:30here this he's not really equipped to be
10:33dealing with marriage let alone a baby
10:35this probably caused a tremendous amount
10:38of stress for him and I'm not surprised
10:40that these killings started really
10:44within a month or two after the birth of
10:47his
10:53child in October
10:551973 Bernard Giles drove out of this
10:58trailer park
10:59onto this highway his intention to hunt
11:03down and kill his first
11:06victim he was looking for hitchhikers
11:09unsuspecting girls who back then never
11:13imagined accepting a lift from a
11:14stranger would get them
11:17killed that day that you went out when
11:20you did Kill for the first time was that
11:23the morning when you woke up and you
11:25were with your wife and daughter and you
11:26just something hit you and you went no
11:29today may be the day every day may be
11:32the
11:33day every day every day may be the day
11:37do you know the name of your first
11:38victim no
11:40sir not now
11:43I Jerry Nancy Jerry did you know
11:47anything about her life I found out
11:48later she was a singer in a uh in a
11:53bar that was it tell me what
11:57happened picked her up and tight his
12:00there's a wooded area and I pulled off
12:02the road what does she look like um
12:06little shorter than
12:08me um fairly wellb built pretty but not
12:12particularly pretty brown
12:16hair it's about
12:19it and at what point did she realize
12:22that you were kind of har her well did
12:25not necessarily I was going to harm her
12:28cuz you know most most of them don't
12:29assume you're you're actually going to
12:31to kill them most of them assume it's a
12:34rape or something like that or a robbery
12:37or whatever you know and uh had you been
12:41talking normally to her yeah but there
12:44wasn't much to the
12:46conversation the the weapon speaks for
12:49itself and what did you then do told her
12:53to get out of the car and that's when
12:54she became afraid you uh up to that
12:58point I assumed that she thought it was
13:00just going to be a rape I walked her
13:02over next in front of a tree and I shot
13:07her just like that yes
13:10sir and what were you feeling as you did
13:26that very stim ated very provoked
13:32very I mean the thing is is you
13:37know what is your passion in your life
13:41you know what is the thing that you like
13:43to do more than anything
13:46else and you're doing
13:49it you are so
13:53there that it you can almost it's like
13:55you can see the atoms vibrating I mean
13:58it's just
14:00just it's difficult to
14:06describe jazz is relatively unusual in
14:08that he started his age of onset for the
14:11serial killing was age 20 he's unusual
14:14because he did a spade of five killings
14:16within 3 months with almost no cooling
14:18off period That's highly unusual usually
14:21mid-20s is the Advent of the first
14:24acting out on the fantasy there's a long
14:26cooling off period of at least a month
14:28before the second one he was acting
14:31almost in a frenzy he was too young and
14:33too immature to put enough thought into
14:35his crimes to get away with him there
14:36was no way it was sustainable so it was
14:39almost like a childish urge to get as
14:42much fun crammed into a short space of
14:44time as possible before he got caught
14:47because inside he knew he would
14:49eventually get
14:55caught once Bernard Giles started
14:58killing
14:59he made little attempt to hide the
15:00bodies of his
15:03victims their Discovery was now making
15:07Daily News
15:10Headlines Titusville a city where a
15:13million visitors had come just four
15:15years before to watch Neil Armstrong
15:17blast off to the
15:19moon was now the focus of a desperate
15:22manh hunt to find the
15:25killer ladies you were all young women
15:28you were all in your early 20s at the
15:30time that this all happened take me back
15:33to life in the area at the time well
15:37this was a sleepy little town right
15:39across from the Space Center exactly and
15:41it was uh everyone wanted to come here
15:44because of the Space Center the launches
15:46and everything but when where we lived
15:48in Mobile Manor it was a really nice
15:51area the moment you realize that Bernard
15:55Giles he was this guy that lived in that
15:59trailer opposite you what impact did
16:02that have on you guys devastated me I
16:04was stunned I was like whoa look how
16:08close this guy was to
16:11me I could have been one of his
16:17victims what was your criteria for for a
16:21victim access to any woman yes sir did
16:26it matter how old they were or what they
16:28looked like M
16:31go generally speaking
16:34no I could literally have been any woman
16:37that happened to stray into your orbit
16:40yes sir when you were cruising in your
16:42car and they were thumbing a lift yes
16:44sir I mean that made you at the time an
16:47unbelievably dangerous man for any young
16:50woman yes
16:52sir see I'm not I'm not defending the
16:56position I'm describing the position
16:58decision it was what I was and where I
17:02was at were you aware that there was now
17:05a hunt for what police began to realize
17:08was a serial
17:12killer not not really until you know I I
17:15had known that they had found a
17:18body that was Paula's
17:21body yes sir probably I
17:27guess Paula Hamrick was a single mother
17:30of two heading to work one day when
17:33Berard Gil stopped to offer her a
17:37lift a body was found
17:40here she was his oldest victim at just
17:4522 her two boys Steven and Billy were
17:50just toddlers at the
17:53time he knew she had kids but I'm sure
17:57she pleaded for her life and told him
18:00that she had two babies and like I said
18:03that answered my question he obviously
18:04didn't
18:05care cuz he killed her
18:09anyways I think uh it
18:12was about 12 years old when he went to
18:16my mother's uh grave
18:27site
18:31the first victim you remember the name
18:33but do you remember the names of any of
18:34the victims no sir none at all no they
18:38meant nothing to
18:40you why would I do
18:44that why would someone embrace the names
18:49of the excuse me of their
18:52victims I saw these women as
18:56objects this woman Paula Hamrick who was
19:00a a mom of two young kids who've never
19:03known their
19:04mother you know she'd thought to
19:06humanize herself to you she might still
19:09be alive but she didn't say you killed
19:12her yes
19:16sir this
19:18Carolyn very young yes
19:22sir do you remember these faces as I
19:25show you them no sir I true I
19:29don't 14 this
19:32girl as was this one 14 do you remember
19:37no
19:38sir you don't really remember any of
19:40these girls by
19:43face no
19:45sir some women actually Sav their lives
19:50by engaging me in conversations how many
19:54three I can think of right off I
19:55actually went to the home of one the
19:59uh I got in a conversation about uh
20:02smoking uh marijuana she rolled up a few
20:08joints we drove around the neighborhood
20:10and smoked one and I let her off at her
20:12house and what were you thinking you may
20:15do to that woman well if if it had gone
20:18the other way I'd have murdered
20:27her for a guy like this
20:31really what's important for him is what
20:34he
20:35wants and what he wants he's going to
20:38get I want to kill these women and I
20:41want to have sex with them and when I'm
20:43done I'm just going to leave them right
20:46there in the
20:47dirt because I don't really care about
20:50them and then I'm going to go back to my
20:52wife and there they won't know any
20:54difference I won't have any change in in
20:57Emotion
21:00what what I struggle with with you you
21:02kill five women but all the time you're
21:05going back to your marital home yes sir
21:09with Leslie your wife and your daughter
21:11Heather sir how are you functioning in
21:13normal married life in this
21:17extraordinary 12 13 week
21:21period
21:25badly what do you mean
21:29I don't know it was just as this thing's
21:32taking me over I'm I'm kind of
21:34disintegrating as a
21:36person the
21:39um um me and my wife are fighting all
21:42the time I'm out it's
21:46it's obsessions take you over did you
21:49get any urge to kill your wife no never
21:52no why not she was there she was a woman
21:56I knew her
21:59you know I I've never killed anybody I
22:01knew it's that thing about
22:03objectification of the the
22:07victim for me that was an important
22:17element do you remember doing that no
22:20sir was 45 years since you have probably
22:23seen
22:25that just moment
22:30this is a little strange for me because
22:33I recognize elements of my own
22:36style and yet I I can't remember doing
22:38these
22:42honestly you definitely
22:47didn't know that's strange for real I
22:51mean that that one there for example yes
22:53when you look at it not withstanding the
22:55fact you you can't remember it very well
22:57but it's a very maab image yes ad a
23:00young woman you have a sort of devil
23:03likee figure at the top there
23:05skeleton that's not a
23:07woman that's not no or is that you I
23:12don't know you had long hair at the time
23:14I had long hair at the time so that
23:16could have been you in fact it could
23:17have been me it's got needles it's got
23:19snakes it's got skeletons you know it's
23:21a very maab not a happy scene right
23:26right
23:28Giles Drew these pictures at the time of
23:30the
23:34murders but had there been any early
23:36warning signs that might have alerted
23:39people to what was
23:41coming you were at school with him you
23:43hung out with him every day you saw this
23:45guy in junior high school 6566 nicest
23:48guy you'd ever want to meet I mean we
23:50hear this a lot don't we with people
23:51that do heinous crimes often friends
23:54will come out and say oh he was such a
23:56nice guy but you mean it I mean you I
23:59mean it sincerely it was just a sweet
24:02young artistic gifted nice guy when did
24:07you last see
24:08him it was probably and I believe that
24:12he might have already been killing
24:14people then uh it was on the river did
24:18he seem different to you yes in what
24:21way he was uh very intensely uh working
24:25on a drawing and it was pretty dark I
24:27looked over and I saw a tree and some
24:30Roots but in the roots of the tree was a
24:34female
24:35body being engulfed in the tree
24:40[Music]
24:47wow in any of the psych reports all of
24:51them describe him as
24:53sane all of them describe him as in
24:56charge of his faculties he's he not
24:58psychotic and he's not mentally ill he's
25:01in touch with reality he clearly
25:04understands this concept of right and
25:06wrong and we know he understands it
25:08because he made a conscious effort to
25:10take these women to a remote location
25:13where he wouldn't be discovered and kill
25:16them if he didn't understand the concept
25:18he probably would have just picked them
25:20up and then killed him right on the
25:21street in front of
25:23everybody he chooses to do wrong because
25:26that's what he wants to do
25:29it seems that Giles was able to hide his
25:32true nature from everyone that knew
25:35him including his new wife
25:39Leslie they'd been married for barely a
25:42year when the killings
25:46began let me just take you back to just
25:48before you first killed you meet a woman
25:51you fall in love you get married her
25:53name is Leslie yes tell me about her
25:57good good woman good woman first time I
26:00ever saw my
26:03wife she was a friend of my sisters she
26:05just made friends with my sister and um
26:10they passed through the living room I
26:11was sitting there watching television
26:13and when I
26:15saw Leslie I knew I was going to marry
26:18her you know there have been numerous
26:20instances in my life where I it's just I
26:25know something I just remember that you
26:27know that's the one right there do you
26:30remember how you proposed to her over
26:32the phone that was it yeah not very
26:35romantic you're young young man but you
26:38marrying this beautiful young woman
26:40family there it all seems normal yeah
26:44did it feel normal to you that day when
26:46you got married yes sir but you would
26:48have sex with your wife you had a normal
26:51married life in that respect yes sir and
26:54did you feel like you loved
26:56her
26:58yes but truthfully I didn't you know I
27:02did love
27:03her but you
27:05know I was completely obsessed with this
27:08other thing and I didn't really realize
27:10how much I did love my wife until the
27:14like the last time I ever saw her
27:16through you know half inch bulletproof
27:19glass you
27:22know during the killings his wife was at
27:26home caring for that baby daughter
27:28water Giles would leave the trailer each
27:31day to train as an
27:34electrician but in the afternoons he
27:37would Cruise the highways looking for
27:40hitchhikers the police still had no
27:43suspects and no
27:46leads there was a Fear Factor and as a
27:50result uh people were locking their
27:52doors and people were uh trying to
27:55gather more information from the
27:57newspapers and uh from television which
28:01carried very little uh but uh they were
28:04following it very closely but they were
28:07still
28:08afraid what's even more scary is uh it
28:11wasn't somebody traveling through
28:15because victims were
28:17localized there had to be someone
28:20responsible from within so who could it
28:24be and normally when we'd have any kind
28:26of a murder or something
28:28within 24 hours they had a suspect they
28:30knew who they were going after and
28:31pretty much were right and I remember a
28:34lot of times during that period it got
28:36to where I was working like 7 days a
28:38week and it was driving them crazy that
28:40it was taking so long to figure this one
28:42out when I would be on my lunch break or
28:44go home from work I would see some young
28:47girls hitchhiking knowing there's
28:49already been two or three murdered I
28:52would just pull over roll down my window
28:54and say hey don't you girls know what's
28:57going going
28:58on the killings have begun in October of
29:031973 by December three bodies had been
29:08found and then the police discovered the
29:10remains of Sharon weymer she was just 14
29:13years
29:15old but what is baffling about this
29:18murder is where he killed
29:21her well what strikes me about this
29:23location is we're so near to the trailer
29:26park where Bernard Giles lived with his
29:29own young family and the body was so
29:32easily discoverable this is a very
29:34Brazen serial killer he's almost like
29:37crying out to be caught in in a way yes
29:40but in another way you get Hunters back
29:43in here and everything too so that the
29:46sound of a gunshot wouldn't necessarily
29:49tell everybody around that something
29:51unusual like that is going on what we
29:54discovered was that there was jewelry
29:56there a necklace and maybe a bracelet
30:00and quite identifiable jewelry we
30:02strongly suspected the police did that
30:04this was Sharon lmer and uh we left and
30:07at the residence were siblings plus her
30:10mother and uh we showed them the jewelry
30:13and very very sad I mean the kids are
30:17crying mom's on the couch in denial no
30:21it can't be that it can't be that and
30:23the kids are saying no Mom it is it is
30:26and that's we got the identification
30:28that kind of stuff sticks with you
30:30through the
30:32[Music]
30:39years but two of your victims you took
30:43back to within a few hundred yards of
30:45where you lived what was your thinking
30:47in doing
30:48that I wasn't
30:51thinking there's no logical reason for
30:54having done that it's quite a high risk
30:57thing to do I guess yeah but I wasn't
30:59doing my best thinking at that point in
31:01time you didn't really care well they
31:04have an expression you're basically off
31:06the chain I was
31:10uh like I said I'm not I wasn't doing my
31:12best I
31:18game after each killing that need to
31:21feel that again is there and it's urgent
31:24but it's even
31:26bigger
31:28we see this with so many serial killers
31:30with each one they have to come up with
31:31some new angle to make it more violent
31:34more horrific um more Hands-On more
31:37personal make the victim younger make
31:40the victim big they have to try some new
31:42angle to keep that thrill alive but of
31:45course this isn't sustainable at some
31:48point or another they either get caught
31:50or they become so frenetic that they
31:52have no choice but to screw up and
31:54police find
31:56them and that is exactly what happened
31:59with burnard
32:01Giles 12 weeks after the murders began
32:05he made a crucial mistake along this
32:08isolated
32:12Road when you were finally caught you
32:17tried to pick up two girls at the same
32:19time yes sir but it feels like it was an
32:21escalation and that's exactly it I was
32:25getting
32:26worse that's where you made your big
32:28mistake because they got away how did
32:31they get away I mean you had a gun the
32:33gun
32:34misfired I had hit one of them with the
32:38gun and it discharged it jammed inside
32:41the gun and that's when they ran off
32:44that's when they ran off they got away
32:46having seen a form in your car which had
32:49your name on a
32:56book
32:58they
32:59saw a book that had a name in it and the
33:04name was Bernard
33:07Giles I checked files and uh it gave his
33:13address inspector D come in and he says
33:17you got to listen to me listen to me
33:20good keep your doors locked do not
33:24answer it he says we're going to make an
33:26arrest
33:28and these murders I said here he said
33:31yes I was shaking we could have been the
33:34next
33:36victim and did you panic basically yeah
33:39I didn't know that they had actually had
33:43my name so about the time that I get
33:46home the police are setting up you know
33:49and that they got
33:52me I wasn't the only one who peaked out
33:55our door to see him when they brought
33:58him in to the area and he
34:03was
34:04evil he was Satan
34:09personified when you were caught was it
34:12a
34:15relief no no it wasn't a relief were you
34:19angry because it meant you probably
34:20wouldn't be able to kill again no I
34:22wasn't
34:24angry life got very complicated
34:28how did your wife react to you being
34:32arrested well at first uh she she wanted
34:35to to to stay with me but you know I
34:40basically understood that you know I was
34:43I was over I was done with but did she
34:46ask you if it was
34:47true uh yes sir and the first time she
34:50asked me I lied to
34:52her she knew I had problems but not this
34:56kind of a lot you know she just didn't
34:58know how deep it was you know I'm I'm
35:00sure she must have
35:02suspected I mean not that I had done
35:05that but after I'd gotten arrested that
35:08yeah okay that's that's
35:13him we've been talking now for over an
35:16hour but I was yet to see any real sign
35:19of emotion from burnard
35:22Giles so I wonder how will he react when
35:25I show him a picture
35:27of the daughter he hasn't seen in 45
35:30[Music]
35:38years you seem when it comes to real
35:42emotions yeah pretty cold I mean yeah I
35:45get that a lot when was the last time
35:47you cried about
35:50anything
35:53Braveheart I saw the movie
35:55Braveheart when
36:001998 99 some place long in there there
36:0320 years ago been a while and why did
36:05that make you
36:06cry Hollywood presents this you know
36:10really pristine picture of a human being
36:13what you you sort of wish you could be
36:16you know this this this perfect human
36:20being and I was basically crying because
36:22I was mourning my
36:25life
36:27[Music]
36:29Berard Giles was just 20 when he was
36:33caught he avoided the death penalty by
36:36agreeing to confess to all five
36:39murders but he will die in
36:45prison soon after the killings his wife
36:48and daughter left the trailer park and
36:51moved out of the
36:52state he would never see them again
36:58you lost a wife you lost your daughter I
37:00lost everything you lost everything
37:04yeah was it worth it this no of course
37:07not and do you know what happened to
37:09your daughter did you ever heard from
37:11her no no sir how does that make you
37:17feel what can you do with that we had a
37:20we had a
37:21picture the
37:25the you
37:28what do you feel when you see your
37:32daughter I don't know
37:35exactly when you look at your own
37:37daughter that age smiling innocent happy
37:41what do you feel about
37:44the the young woman you
37:46killed I I don't put those
37:52together I mean what would you feel
37:54about a
37:55man who snatched your
37:59daughter and terrorized and raped and
38:04killed
38:05her I certainly wouldn't appreciate
38:08it that that's it that's how you'd
38:13feel like I said I certainly wouldn't
38:17appreciate
38:21it you've never
38:24apologized to who who do you think you
38:27should apologize
38:30to let me ask you a question I assume
38:35that to the the families of the
38:40victims I think I mean it should be
38:42incumbent on you as the perpetrator of
38:44the crime to work out who you think you
38:47maybe should apologize to I mean you
38:49killed by your own admission these five
38:51young women who do you think you owe an
38:54apology
38:55to if I were going to apologize to
38:58anybody it would be the families have
39:00you ever done that I don't feel I have
39:02the right how do how do you you know
39:07you you get a me a letter in the mail
39:11from the person who killed your daughter
39:14right hey I'm
39:18sorry they may well be watching
39:21this those families I mean if you look
39:24at that camera
39:27if they are watching what what would you
39:28say to
39:32them I really don't know what to say
39:36truthfully I mean don't say it to me say
39:38say it to them what do you what do you
39:39say to somebody that you've murdered a
39:41member of the family right what I don't
39:44know isn't the very least you could say
39:48is I'm sorry isn't that the very least
39:51you could do is just to actually of
39:53course of course I'm
39:54sorry the fact we're having this
39:57conversation in this way yes I'm
40:04sorry here's an opportunity for you to
40:07speak to the families of these
40:10victims what would you say wh what's
40:13your response he doesn't say anything he
40:16just says what can I say uh you know I
40:20could say I'm sorry which isn't even
40:22saying I'm sorry he's basically saying
40:23that's what I could say but what does it
40:27mean the question is what can you say to
40:31the victim's families in other words
40:34make a connection here give us a small
40:38piece of your soul to the victim's
40:41family he couldn't do it because I don't
40:43think that he even has that
40:49capacity tville lost its innocence
40:52through the acts of we called him
40:54Bernard Eugene Giles we always used the
40:56three
40:58names we started looking at everyone in
41:01a suspicious
41:03Manner and we started locking our
41:08doors this
41:10guy lived in our area had been schooled
41:15in our
41:16area and he did such a horrible thing
41:20not once but many times from then on yes
41:24I knew what a serial killer was
41:28I'd probably like to sit down and talk
41:30to him you know and
41:32say where'd You Go why'd you do
41:36this he says it was just a compulsion
41:39that he had to kill yeah
41:46wow when you finish here with
41:49me you know I'll go back to my normal
41:52life and I'll you know I'll when I go
41:55back to my my hotel room this afternoon
41:57I I'll
41:59feel quite unsettled by this encounter
42:03when you go back to
42:04your cell later having talked about all
42:08this today with me will you have any
42:10feelings about it really
42:12probably and what are they likely to
42:17be I truthfully I have a great deal of
42:20respect for
42:21you and um it unsettles me just a little
42:25bit
42:26that you have such
42:28a monstrous view of
42:31me I have a complicated view of you
42:33because to me now if I didn't know what
42:36you'd done and we had a regular
42:38conversation about stuff going on in the
42:41news I would imagine we'd have a
42:43perfectly normal rational of course and
42:46probably quite interesting conversation
42:48but it's very very
42:49hard to get past what I know that you
42:52did to these girls I understand it's
42:55very hard I understand not to feel that
43:00sense of just utter revulsion yes sir
43:04and I understand that I understand all
43:05of
43:10that well thank you for the interview
43:12thank you
43:18[Music]
43:24sir well that was one of the most
43:26extraordinary encounters I probably ever
43:28had with anybody because on one level
43:32he's obviously self aware about what he
43:35did because he's just prepared to admit
43:40everything what he can't do is what I
43:43suspect the families of these victims
43:45really want him to do and let's explain
43:47it in a way that could bring any kind of
43:51closure to
43:53them I just feel in the end that that
43:56their loved ones these poor girls were
43:59just in the wrong place at the wrong
44:01time and met an unbeliev would be
44:04dangerous
44:05person and it's as simple as that and as
44:09heartbreaking as
44:12[Music]
44:25that
44:34[Music]

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