Part 1: Dennis Rader, The BTK Strangler - Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes — Transcript

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1. 0:01[Music]
2. 0:05hello
3. 0:05and welcome to the first official
4. 0:09oh my god hello and welcome to the
5. 0:13first official episode of
6. 0:17uplifting murders and whole surprises
7. 0:21i'm natalie i'm sarah and we're really
8. 0:24annoying sisters
9. 0:25and we know crimes are not uplifting or
10. 0:27wholesome
11. 0:28yeah um it's it's an inside joke you'll
12. 0:31be a part of it
13. 0:32you'll see it's just it's a stupid joke
14. 0:34it's funny because we think we're funny
15. 0:36yeah we think we're funny you think
16. 0:37we're so funny we'll see if you agree
17. 0:39probably not
18. 0:41um so i have no skill sets but sarah is
19. 0:43actually getting a master's degree
20. 0:45that is relevant to the true private
21. 0:47space in some ways
22. 0:48in some ways yeah because um that's
23. 0:51what what are they called the
24. 0:53criminologists yeah they are
25. 0:55behavior analysts so i am getting my
26. 0:58masters
27. 0:59of science in applied behavior analysis
28. 1:04and it's the study of behavior um
29. 1:08you know within the psychology
30. 1:09department of
31. 1:11yeah so we're gonna be doing some super
32. 1:13professional deep psychoanalysis
33. 1:15of these you know i mean we are going to
34. 1:17be talking about it after so basically
35. 1:19how this is going to go
36. 1:20is me natalie i will be kind of telling
37. 1:24sarah the story of a specific serial
38. 1:27killer or criminal
39. 1:28in this case we're going to be talking
40. 1:30about dennis raider
41. 1:31otherwise known as btk we're going to be
42. 1:33calling him dennis throughout the
43. 1:34episode because
44. 1:35he wants to be called btk and we're not
45. 1:37getting him oh satisfaction yeah
46. 1:44so we're gonna be talking about dennis
47. 1:46um i
48. 1:47in certain instances i will have to call
49. 1:48him btk because
50. 1:50of how he's you know we'll see you'll
51. 1:53understand and i might
52. 1:54slip up and actually call dennis but
53. 1:56dennis is his name
54. 1:57and i'm not going to give him the
55. 1:59satisfaction so
56. 2:01this is most likely going to be more
57. 2:03than one part because you know we're
58. 2:04both english majors and accidentally did
59. 2:0620
60. 2:15just some preliminary reasons so
61. 2:16preliminary research on dennis i watched
62. 2:18an hour and a half episode
63. 2:19snapped great show read a lot of
64. 2:22articles
65. 2:23so i think what we're going to do is
66. 2:25start with like
67. 2:26his early life his first crimes
68. 2:30and then so like a little bit of a
69. 2:31dentist little babe dennis
70. 2:34we'll see how interesting it is he's not
71. 2:35like the rest that he would expect
72. 2:37he's the rest of them
73. 2:41but so we're gonna talk about his early
74. 2:42life um and then we'll go into his
75. 2:45initial crimes
76. 2:47and then depending how crazy and
77. 2:49detailed i get with it talking about it
78. 2:51we'll either finish it up with his you
79. 2:54know trial conviction
80. 2:55and then analysis of his behavior in
81. 2:57this episode or we'll do part two so
82. 2:59yeah stay tuned guys for part two if
83. 3:01that ends up happening
84. 3:04okay dennis lynn raider can we also talk
85. 3:07about that live stream
86. 3:08but can we also talk about how serial
87. 3:10killers always seem to have three names
88. 3:12like john wayne gacy
89. 3:14yeah i feel like that's a thing there's
90. 3:16another one other than him with three
91. 3:17names though
92. 3:19i can't think of this moment but it is a
93. 3:21thing trust me everyone will know be
94. 3:22like how are you not coming up with
95. 3:23another one okay stupid and you put me
96. 3:25on the spot
97. 3:27okay ready ready so dennis lin raider
98. 3:31was born in pittsburgh kansas on march
99. 3:349th 1945. it's from kansas yeah this is
100. 3:38this takes place in wichita so he was
101. 3:40the oldest of four sons
102. 3:42to william and dorothea
103. 3:48so apparently it is said that he was
104. 3:50dropped on his head when he was a kid
105. 3:51but there isn't a lot of info about
106. 3:53when and like if it really there's
107. 3:56nothing really specific about oh my god
108. 3:58my
109. 3:58dog rita just the couch we're really
110. 4:01professional here
111. 4:02sorry to hear your background dog mice
112. 4:04is anyways
113. 4:06so apparently he was dropped on his head
114. 4:08but
115. 4:09we just don't really know a lot of
116. 4:10details about that okay
117. 4:13also his mom was not super attentive
118. 4:17and and she had her mom his grandparents
119. 4:20kind of help out
120. 4:22um in post-arrest interviews what do you
121. 4:24mean like what do you mean
122. 4:25she was just like she was kind of absent
123. 4:26they like worked a lot and he resented
124. 4:28them for it
125. 4:29it's the kind of obvious like kid
126. 4:31resents his parents for not being around
127. 4:32a lot
128. 4:33but they were she wasn't like she was
129. 4:35from what we know he had a very normal
130. 4:37childhood which is what
131. 4:38why he's so different like his parents
132. 4:41were like chill like they weren't like
133. 4:43from what we know he was having sex with
134. 4:44other people no like you know how like
135. 4:46all the other ones are like crazy
136. 4:47abusive and there's always like that
137. 4:48weird mother dynamic which yeah yeah
138. 4:50weird like creepy horrible [ __ ] that
139. 4:52from what we know of and what he has
140. 4:54said himself
141. 4:54was not the case which is it was just
142. 4:56kind of that
143. 4:58he so he just like wasn't happy he said
144. 5:02so he says in a post-arrest interview he
145. 5:04said he got along real well with dad but
146. 5:07mom
147. 5:08always wasn't quite happy i always loved
148. 5:11her i still love her but i did have a
149. 5:12little
150. 5:13a little bit of a grudge against mama
151. 5:15what the [ __ ] i know so
152. 5:17so like he felt ignored by his parents
153. 5:20because they work long hours but why did
154. 5:22he
155. 5:23that's interesting that he didn't like
156. 5:25he's like i don't care about my dad but
157. 5:26like mom
158. 5:27yeah he likes mama and then and it's
159. 5:29very typical of serial killers to like
160. 5:31have
161. 5:32[ __ ] issues with their their yeah
162. 5:33yeah it's very
163. 5:35you know i actually did read about that
164. 5:37in an oxford like journal so
165. 5:39it's true i'm not just saying that guys
166. 5:41um
167. 5:42so what's fascinating that makes sense
168. 5:44because like
169. 5:46men who hate women would kill women and
170. 5:49like if they hate their mother that's
171. 5:51yeah it makes sense so so what's crazy
172. 5:53about dennis is he began developing
173. 5:56sadistic sexual fantasies
174. 5:58at a really early age focusing on like
175. 6:00how early we were talking
176. 6:02like by middle school or by high school
177. 6:04he was literally stealing panties and
178. 6:05stuff like this is very early like
179. 6:07like so he uh started cutting out
180. 6:10females from magazines and drawing ropes
181. 6:12and gags on them
182. 6:13and gluing them onto index care cards he
183. 6:16carried around with him
184. 6:18that that is creepy at like any age like
185. 6:21any age
186. 6:21carrying those like weird index cards
187. 6:24around with you and anything sexual why
188. 6:26would you
189. 6:27carry that on in a person like why you
190. 6:28need that on the you need it on the go
191. 6:30like
192. 6:31that you need access to it at all times
193. 6:34like why
194. 6:35literally like an adult would probably
195. 6:38or even a child i feel like would put
196. 6:39that in like a hiding
197. 6:41spot oh he just he needed them he needed
198. 6:43access to them so
199. 6:45as a teenager he became a peeping tom
200. 6:49watching women through their windows
201. 6:50stealing their underwear
202. 6:53he did some stuff with animals we were
203. 6:54not even going to get into i don't want
204. 6:55to know i don't want to know death but
205. 6:56like
206. 6:57we can't because here we're not going to
207. 6:59get done
208. 7:01wait um for the women
209. 7:04that he was like peeping tom
210. 7:07being a peeping pup i don't know peeping
211. 7:12um were like were they a specific age
212. 7:15did they like
213. 7:16look like his mom no there's nothing
214. 7:17specific and that's another interesting
215. 7:19thing we can talk about later is he
216. 7:21doesn't have a specific victim
217. 7:22like a type no he's not like ted bundy
218. 7:25who had his whole specific
219. 7:26female look with the brown hair or
220. 7:28whatever not like that which is also why
221. 7:30he's so hard to find they talk about why
222. 7:32he was little yeah so according to
223. 7:35forensic
224. 7:36psychology professor dr kathleen ramsey
225. 7:38who wrote a book on btk in 2016 she
226. 7:40interviewed him
227. 7:42i'm sorry yes on dennis oh my gosh when
228. 7:45dennis was young
229. 7:46his mother's ring got caught on a couch
230. 7:48spring and she couldn't get her hand out
231. 7:50she apparently was terrified and told
232. 7:52him to get help
233. 7:53and he felt the first springs of arousal
234. 7:57yeah
235. 7:58right over this like it was extremely
236. 8:00terrible yes it was exciting for him
237. 8:02to see a woman helpless and she says
238. 8:06that this and this is like her she has
239. 8:07dr ramsey has had conversations with him
240. 8:10this is not her making stuff up um so he
241. 8:12obviously told her this
242. 8:13uh it was the beginning of his ideas
243. 8:15about women he wanted to keep them
244. 8:17trapped helpless and looking to him in
245. 8:18terror
246. 8:19um this became imprinted on his mind it
247. 8:21became the image he always was after
248. 8:24he says maybe because it was like the
249. 8:26only time she was attending to him
250. 8:28that's possible you know like it doesn't
251. 8:29seem like he was super neglectful just
252. 8:31like kind of typical
253. 8:32but yeah well he he could interpret that
254. 8:35yeah but i just find that interesting
255. 8:38that like the
256. 8:39it's like all her attention is on him he
257. 8:41has complete control
258. 8:43it's oh he's very much out of control
259. 8:46very much
260. 8:47so he says the quote-unquote problems
261. 8:49started in grade school
262. 8:50in terms of the sexual fantasies who's a
263. 8:52dennis
264. 8:55and he acknowledges that all men had
265. 8:56sexual fantasies but his weirder than
266. 8:58other people so he knows this even at a
267. 9:00young age he recognizes well you'd
268. 9:01[ __ ] hope so
269. 9:02jesus yeah so ramsay said let me see
270. 9:06do you have your did you bring your did
271. 9:07you bring your index cards
272. 9:10like instead of creating a pokemon
273. 9:11instead of joining pokemon
274. 9:15says it snapped that during his high
275. 9:17school years at wichita heights
276. 9:19dennis was quiet um and not highly
277. 9:21social
278. 9:22pretty girls made him feel powerless and
279. 9:24threw off his sense of control
280. 9:26once again cutting out those images uh
281. 9:29he would also this is even weirder
282. 9:31he didn't only want images of other
283. 9:33people bound he would bind himself
284. 9:35and use a tripod polaroid and take these
285. 9:37weird-ass
286. 9:38fantasy photos of himself like in
287. 9:40women's clothes and makeup
288. 9:41and bondage and like interesting yes so
289. 9:44he would take photos of himself
290. 9:46like playing the role of the victim and
291. 9:49he loved it
292. 9:51so he then went to wichita state
293. 9:53university in 1964
294. 9:55did did he ever have like a girlfriend
295. 9:57sorry did he ever like date anyone
296. 10:00it didn't say if he really doesn't seem
297. 10:02like he has
298. 10:03[Music]
299. 10:05okay so he went to wichita state
300. 10:08university 1964 dropped out of college
301. 10:10and joined the us
302. 10:11air force when he was 21. so
303. 10:14over time raider becomes more bold with
304. 10:17his sexual
305. 10:18statism when he was in the air force he
306. 10:21drew his fantasies on paper and then
307. 10:23burned him burned them when he left the
308. 10:25base
309. 10:26uh he claimed that he wasn't like like
310. 10:29got rid of all the evidence like he
311. 10:30didn't want anyone to find it to be like
312. 10:31burn them all
313. 10:32up like right after he drew them he'd
314. 10:34like draw them and then first
315. 10:35it wasn't exactly clear but either way
316. 10:37he was like no one see these
317. 10:39places okay so like
318. 10:43that's better than the index cards he's
319. 10:44learning oh
320. 10:46sure yeah i guess yeah that's better
321. 10:49um he claimed that he was into
322. 10:51prostitutes but they didn't want to do
323. 10:52bondage
324. 10:53uh he also broke into homes and stole
325. 10:55underwear so kind of consistency
326. 10:58yeah he took trophies and would place
327. 11:01them around wichita for easy access
328. 11:03which he called quote-unquote hidey
329. 11:06holes
330. 11:07yeah like a like he called his little
331. 11:10like trophy hideouts hiding holes that's
332. 11:25so he went to church with his parents in
333. 11:27his mid-20s where he met
334. 11:29paula they went on a few dates and he
335. 11:32shortly asked her
336. 11:33to marry him she said yes and they
337. 11:36married in
338. 11:37may 1971 when dennis was 26 years old
339. 11:41davis so they have a son in 1975
340. 11:44a year after his first murder in 1974
341. 11:47and
342. 11:48i'm just giving you like context overall
343. 11:50but we'll get into it but i just want to
344. 11:51say this so you have a picture
345. 11:53okay so they have a son in 1975 a year
346. 11:55after his first murder in 1974 which we
347. 11:57will go into
348. 11:58and a daughter in 1978 in the middle of
349. 12:01his other killing so this man
350. 12:03is a married man with children
351. 12:06committing crimes cosplaying as a family
352. 12:08yes and that's what made him
353. 12:10so impossible to find because they
354. 12:13profiled him
355. 12:13correctly we will go into it so
356. 12:17paul it's fascinating so paula and
357. 12:19dennis were happy in their early years
358. 12:20they went to
359. 12:21the church things also oh my god they
360. 12:23went to church regularly
361. 12:25and they had a routine life uh this did
362. 12:27not last long though because dennis got
363. 12:29laid off of work
364. 12:31and they lived off a palace salary what
365. 12:33what did he do
366. 12:34he had odd jobs like he didn't really
367. 12:36have a real career um and
368. 12:38this obviously made him feel very
369. 12:39emasculated and worthless
370. 12:41and made him angry and depressed and
371. 12:43he's sleeping i'm not into his sadistic
372. 12:44pants he's probably also
373. 12:45[ __ ] hated that woman i'm sure
374. 12:48the woman was making the money and
375. 12:51carrying the dog for a bit
376. 12:52and caring carrying the weight you know
377. 12:54when she should be
378. 12:56probably just taking care of the house
379. 12:58yeah do your job
380. 12:59uh just like do your job just like swipe
381. 13:02and like shut up just do it so so
382. 13:06um this was you know he felt like he had
383. 13:08lost control in his home life poor
384. 13:09dennis
385. 13:13it's so sad so the note cards were just
386. 13:15not cutting it anymore he would start
387. 13:17following women in supermarkets into
388. 13:19their
389. 13:20cars and would envision capturing them
390. 13:22and tying them up
391. 13:23ew like like he wouldn't go in their
392. 13:25cars but he'd follow them
393. 13:26to their right he'd follow them to their
394. 13:28cars yeah he called it trolling
395. 13:30which is like bro so can't use that word
396. 13:32because like we like
397. 13:37because he had nothing else to do his
398. 13:39fantasies became more and more elaborate
399. 13:40like
400. 13:41by not having this job and a distraction
401. 13:43he just you know
402. 13:44really got involved into these fantasies
403. 13:46yeah it was during this
404. 13:48time that he dreamed of becoming the
405. 13:50biggest serial of all
406. 13:52serial killer of all time so he's an
407. 13:54egomaniac he heard of the headline
408. 13:56grabbing killers
409. 13:57like the boston strangler and manson and
410. 13:59he wanted that attention
411. 14:10yeah so he was an egomaniac and the need
412. 14:12for the fantasy
413. 14:14to be real like could not be stopped he
414. 14:15just could not so
415. 14:17the first murder occurred on january 15
416. 14:211974 and dennis says
417. 14:24these victims were quote unquote
418. 14:26projects
419. 14:27and once you lock in on a certain person
420. 14:31that's the victim vote
421. 14:34i wait yes so he called his victims
422. 14:38projects
423. 14:39so the first murders as i said murders
424. 14:42like how many are we talking can you
425. 14:44give me a number
426. 14:45for the beginning murderers family
427. 14:48yes so the otero family and this is
428. 14:52what's so interesting is
429. 14:52these victims are not like i said they
430. 14:54don't follow a certain kind of
431. 14:56type yeah i mean they tend to be women
432. 14:59but
433. 14:59obviously
434. 15:03this is this is really sad so um
435. 15:06the murders occurred on january 15th
436. 15:081974 and he had targeted this whole
437. 15:11family and it is said that he was
438. 15:12actually kind of focused on
439. 15:15the daughter josephine 11 year old
440. 15:1811. yeah so the husband and wife for
441. 15:21joseph and julia
442. 15:22otero and their two children
443. 15:24nine-year-old joseph junior and
444. 15:26eleven-year-old josephine
445. 15:27um and he committed the crime in the
446. 15:30morning
447. 15:31like in the middle of the day while some
448. 15:32of the kids were at school like this
449. 15:34in the middle of the day in a normal
450. 15:35little community this they attack them
451. 15:37in their homes so like
452. 15:39wouldn't their kids be at school do that
453. 15:42so
454. 15:42you'll say come home too so when dennis
455. 15:45was trolling for potential victims the
456. 15:46first dude that took his eye were julie
457. 15:48and josephine
458. 15:49um he had seen them pulling out of their
459. 15:51driveway one day became fascinated with
460. 15:53josephine which is
461. 15:54so funny just like you're so like
462. 15:57terrifying yeah completely so
463. 16:01uh you know he knew that this was the
464. 16:04middle of the day he could tell the
465. 16:05family had a dog this was a high risk
466. 16:07crime
467. 16:08and he still did it he still did this so
468. 16:11according to raider
469. 16:12he snuck into their detached barrage
470. 16:15he'd also cut their phone lines which is
471. 16:17so
472. 16:17like scream to me you know yeah it's
473. 16:19just so creepy
474. 16:20wait wait like he cut the phone lines
475. 16:22and then snuck into their
476. 16:24uh detached garage and waited for his
477. 16:26opportunity so a little after 8 30
478. 16:28a.m joseph jr had opened the back door
479. 16:31of the house to let their dog out
480. 16:32into the yard oh my god um comes from
481. 16:36the backyard with a knife and a 22
482. 16:37caliber
483. 16:38pistol and forces the boy back inside
484. 16:40and confronts the entire family
485. 16:42what did the dog like attack him you
486. 16:44know he kind of like the dog's outside
487. 16:46and then they close
488. 16:46he goes into the house oh yeah because
489. 16:49the boy had let the dog out and then he
490. 16:51immediately come saying you know he was
491. 16:52like right by the door
492. 16:53so surprised the dog doesn't smell them
493. 16:55or like get up i mean like my dogs
494. 16:57wouldn't
495. 16:57i mean actually they were no they're
496. 16:59totally what yeah but so
497. 17:01it didn't it didn't so in order to keep
498. 17:03them at ease this is so [ __ ] up he
499. 17:05told them it was a robbery and and that
500. 17:07if they would fade him
501. 17:08he wouldn't kill them which was a lie
502. 17:10yeah
503. 17:12so they allowed themselves to be taken
504. 17:14into the parents allowed themselves to
505. 17:16be taken into the bedroom and tied up
506. 17:18uh and a post-arrest interview raider
507. 17:19says he wasn't wearing a mask so they
508. 17:21could have id'd him and that's when he
509. 17:22decided he needed to strangle them
510. 17:24which i don't believe i'm like you went
511. 17:25in there with that intention like don't
512. 17:27even with that like
513. 17:28you could have worn a mask you didn't
514. 17:29decide write that in there so f
515. 17:31you dennis i don't believe you so
516. 17:33looking dennis
517. 17:34yeah so we killed the oteros by
518. 17:36strangulation and suffocation using a
519. 17:38length of rope
520. 17:39and plastic bags um this is really gross
521. 17:42and horrible sometimes you would allow
522. 17:43them to catch the breath and regain
523. 17:45consciousness just so you could strangle
524. 17:46them again um nothing altogether
525. 17:50they were no no i'll explain none of
526. 17:53them were sexually
527. 17:54assaulted but there was semen found at
528. 17:56the scene
529. 17:58uh up becoming relevant a lot later so
530. 18:00at 3 30 p.m
531. 18:02that day the three older otero brothers
532. 18:04came home
533. 18:05oh there's more kids there's five kids
534. 18:07total and
535. 18:08only two girls okay so the others
536. 18:11were at school um and the bodies were
537. 18:14found by one of them
538. 18:15fifteen-year-old charlie which is just
539. 18:17like poor kid um
540. 18:18in his interview with snap so as an
541. 18:20adult he's in this show he says
542. 18:22he'd gone to school early that day and
543. 18:23that probably saved his life uh because
544. 18:25he wasn't there at the house like wow
545. 18:28um and so he said he had gone through
546. 18:30the back door opened it and saw his
547. 18:32mom's purse i think it just
548. 18:33something didn't look right like he knew
549. 18:35something was wrong and he ran down the
550. 18:37hall to his parents room and saw them
551. 18:38laying there
552. 18:39he said he knew they were dead instantly
553. 18:41and you could smell the blood and fear
554. 18:43which is just so sad
555. 18:44you must feel um he couldn't untie the
556. 18:47knots
557. 18:47um so he knew he needed to call the
558. 18:49police but dennis had cut the phone line
559. 18:51so they went into the yard
560. 18:52and the other brother danny they ran
561. 18:54next door call 9-1-1
562. 18:56uh the police came and charlie told them
563. 18:57to go to the house to figure out what
564. 18:59happened yeah
565. 19:00what about the kids well i'm gonna tell
566. 19:02you so
567. 19:03the parents were bound and gagged in the
568. 19:04bedroom they clearly put up a struggle
569. 19:07uh the police continued to search the
570. 19:09house and they found joey in his room
571. 19:11beside the bunk bed
572. 19:12with ligature marks on his neck they
573. 19:14found josephine in the basement
574. 19:16and she was hanging from a sewer pipe
575. 19:18and there was dry semen found on the
576. 19:20floor
577. 19:21so it was you know she wasn't physically
578. 19:24violated it was clearly like a sexual
579. 19:25crime
580. 19:26uh so he like pleasured himself
581. 19:30um at the scene the wichita police were
582. 19:32shocked at how gruesome it was
583. 19:34and that it was in the middle of the day
584. 19:36clearly pre-planned he brought
585. 19:37everything he needed to carry out the
586. 19:39crimes like all this
587. 19:40you know yeah whatever it was that he
588. 19:42used to tie him up and stuff
589. 19:43uh there was no signs of forced entry
590. 19:45and no signs of robbery except for
591. 19:47joseph ortero's missing watch
592. 19:49raider even left in their car and the
593. 19:51police later found the car a short
594. 19:53distance away parked in a grocery store
595. 19:54parking lot
596. 19:56they were able to get an idea for
597. 19:57witnesses as to who drove the car it was
598. 19:59a male caucasian probably in their 30s
599. 20:01but
600. 20:02it you know yeah they're
601. 20:10i'm not just saying that the
602. 20:13circumstances around the crime didn't
603. 20:14immediately scream serial killer uh but
604. 20:16because they found the semen
605. 20:18i mean there's i mean it doesn't mean
606. 20:20serial killer because
607. 20:21there's a specific there's a definition
608. 20:24of serial killer which we'll talk about
609. 20:25like
610. 20:26consecutive yeah there's like a multiple
611. 20:29cold like cooling off period yeah and
612. 20:31then they come back so this this would
613. 20:32be more concerning it's free
614. 20:34at this time because they just know he
615. 20:35killed multiple people but they know
616. 20:36that it there's something more to it
617. 20:38because of this
618. 20:39they know it's like it's likely that
619. 20:40it's going to happen again
620. 20:42they don't know that for sure um the
621. 20:45police chief
622. 20:46richard lamonian said the press the
623. 20:49crimes
624. 20:50uh perpetrated by a homicidal killer
625. 20:51with a fetish so they knew that this was
626. 20:53a killer
627. 20:54but they they didn't know exactly what
628. 20:56the situation was
629. 20:57um so from the witnesses of the driver
630. 21:00as well as the
631. 21:01sexual nature of the crime they looked
632. 21:02into a list of sexual offenders and
633. 21:04tried to hold it on some people but i
634. 21:05just
635. 21:06they were not getting an answer uh
636. 21:10so our next victim is kathryn bright
637. 21:14only three months so this is a very
638. 21:16short cold off period and then he takes
639. 21:17much longer periods you'll see he's like
640. 21:19inconsistent with that which is really
641. 21:20weird
642. 21:21so inner response times um between
643. 21:26responses
644. 21:29between successful responses of that
645. 21:30behavior yeah so there's varying
646. 21:33that makes sense i wonder what the
647. 21:34average would be
648. 21:39yeah we'll talk about the different
649. 21:40types so catherine was 21 years old in a
650. 21:42wichita state university student
651. 21:44so only three months after the ontario
652. 21:47killings
653. 21:47radar struck again on april 4th 1974
654. 21:51breaking into katherine bright's home
655. 21:53when she wasn't there
656. 21:54there's just one girl that lives there
657. 21:57yes so he waited for her return when she
658. 21:59came back with her younger brother
659. 22:01kevin they were greeted with a man with
660. 22:03a gun so he was not expecting kevin to
661. 22:05be there
662. 22:06uh they fought him and dennis shot kevin
663. 22:09in the head
664. 22:10he then took catherine in the bedroom
665. 22:12and started to tie her up
666. 22:13initially he started strangling her but
667. 22:16she put up a big fight so he took a
668. 22:17knife
669. 22:18and stabbed her repeatedly in the
670. 22:19abdomen
671. 22:21kevin is not dead kevin at the same time
672. 22:24was able to get up and run out of the
673. 22:26house screaming for help
674. 22:27when the authorities arrived the
675. 22:29perpetrator was gone and they found
676. 22:30catherine with multiple injuries but
677. 22:32still alive
678. 22:33she was stabbed three times in abdomen
679. 22:35and had literature marks around her
680. 22:36throat from the strangulation
681. 22:37she was dressed to the hospital but
682. 22:39unfortunately she died a few
683. 22:41hours later from the injuries yeah at
684. 22:44the time the police did not draw a
685. 22:45connection between the ontario murders
686. 22:46and catherine because they did not
687. 22:48you know have similarities i mean kind
688. 22:54of do
689. 22:55there's no it's not the same victim
690. 22:58profile though i guess
691. 22:59yeah and it's not the i mean there are
692. 23:02and there's stabbing
693. 23:03instead of this just strangulation
694. 23:04instead of just straight yes but there
695. 23:06is also strangulation
696. 23:09yes interesting but there's a gut yeah
697. 23:11but he hadn't done it last time
698. 23:14so once again like a [ __ ] pompous
699. 23:16weirdo that he is he doesn't wear a mask
700. 23:18and so
701. 23:19yeah like he's like i will do a sketch
702. 23:22for you yeah so kevin's like i'll give a
703. 23:23description and so he was like five ten
704. 23:26uh you know white man dark haired
705. 23:28mustache they made a composite sketch
706. 23:29but it didn't bleed anymore
707. 23:31because because they he looked like an
708. 23:33average
709. 23:35um so there were a few similarities
710. 23:38between the killings the phone lines
711. 23:39were cut
712. 23:40home invasion all had been strangled but
713. 23:42there were also major differences
714. 23:44he shot the brother kathryn was stabbed
715. 23:47uh
716. 23:47you know the police followed every lead
717. 23:49but they just they couldn't figure it
718. 23:50out
719. 23:50they just couldn't so everyone is
720. 23:52freaked out because there's five
721. 23:53unsolved murders within three months in
722. 23:55wichita
723. 23:56you know kansas it's crazy how big is
724. 23:59like is that
725. 24:00i don't know i don't think it's a
726. 24:01particularly big city i don't want to
727. 24:03get false information about the
728. 24:04statistics
729. 24:06but yeah i mean it's you know it's a
730. 24:09nice town people are getting murdered
731. 24:10it's terrible so
732. 24:11the raider loved the attention that his
733. 24:13healing is really yeah of course that's
734. 24:15the function of his vineyard desperately
735. 24:16craved it and when his crimes were not
736. 24:18making newspapers and
737. 24:19headlines anymore he would attempt to
738. 24:21rekindle public interest
739. 24:23by writing to the media i was just gonna
740. 24:25say please
741. 24:26yep mr dennis
742. 24:30yep attention seeking so his first
743. 24:33attempt at communication
744. 24:35happened on october uh in october 1974
745. 24:38nine months after he killed the oteros
746. 24:41and i think that's six months after he
747. 24:42killed catherine
748. 24:43so raider contacted the wichita eagle
749. 24:46anonymously he told them this is so
750. 24:48ridiculous
751. 24:50he told them to look inside it was a
752. 24:52specific engineering book at the local
753. 24:54library where they one of those [ __ ]
754. 24:56hidey holes
755. 24:56yeah where i found a letter
756. 25:00whose author claimed to be responsible
757. 25:02for the otero murders while also
758. 25:03dismissing the other suspects
759. 25:05as just losers you know like but not the
760. 25:08real deal
761. 25:10like well the real sounds right yeah
762. 25:15the letter contained details about the
763. 25:16killings and the scene that were not
764. 25:18released
765. 25:18the public so the police knew that this
766. 25:21was the real deal
767. 25:22um the police asked the newspaper not to
768. 25:24publish it in order to prevent more
769. 25:26false confessions
770. 25:27and the eagle complied but somehow they
771. 25:29got to another
772. 25:30uh newspaper the wichita sun and leaked
773. 25:33them and they got their hands on it and
774. 25:34published it
775. 25:35in december so here's some i'm going to
776. 25:38read you the excerpt
777. 25:39and it's he spells a lot of things wrong
778. 25:41it's very odd because he's not stupid
779. 25:43it's
780. 25:43they think him yeah so he says i write
781. 25:46this letter to you for the sake of the
782. 25:48taxpayer as well as your time
783. 25:51those three dudes you have in custody
784. 25:53are just talking to get publicity for
785. 25:55the otero murders
786. 25:56they knew nothing at all i did it by
787. 25:58myself and with no one's help
788. 26:00i'm sorry this happened to society they
789. 26:02are the ones who suffer the most it's
790. 26:04hard to control myself
791. 26:06when this monster enter my brain i will
792. 26:09never know
793. 26:10but it here to stay but how does one
794. 26:12cure himself
795. 26:14if you ask for help that you have killed
796. 26:16four people they will laugh or hit the
797. 26:18panic button and call the cops
798. 26:20i can't stop it so the monster goes on
799. 26:22and hurt me as well as society
800. 26:25society can be thankful that there are
801. 26:27ways for people
802. 26:28like me to relieve myself at times by
803. 26:32daydreams
804. 26:33of some victims being torture and being
805. 26:36mine
806. 26:37maybe you can stop him i can't he has
807. 26:39already chosen his next
808. 26:41victim or victims i don't know who they
809. 26:43are yet
810. 26:44the next day after i read the paper i
811. 26:46will know but it too late
812. 26:48good luck hunting yours truly guiltily
813. 26:51ps
814. 26:51since sex criminals do not change their
815. 26:53mo or by nature cannot do so
816. 26:55i will not change mine the code word for
817. 26:58me will be
818. 26:58find them torture them kill them btk
819. 27:02you see he added again they will be
820. 27:06on the next victim what will be
821. 27:11so first of all the fact that he says
822. 27:13like you guys should be happy i can
823. 27:14relieve myself of daydreams like [ __ ]
824. 27:16you
825. 27:16dude yeah also the fact that he named
826. 27:19himself is
827. 27:20literally so gross so cringe and so
828. 27:22gross and just so
829. 27:24so bizarro and weird it's like also just
830. 27:26like really dorky it's so lame like it's
831. 27:28so embarrassing
832. 27:31like um all those other people who are
833. 27:33saying that like they're me
834. 27:35like they're not me and like actually
835. 27:37like you should probably call me this
836. 27:39yeah actually
837. 27:42i'm special so you can give me a special
838. 27:44name
839. 27:45and like you should be thanking me
840. 27:47actually like because you're like such a
841. 27:48good friend to society
842. 27:50yeah so what's also because he didn't
843. 27:53mention catherine which was odd
844. 27:54um yeah because this is the family yeah
845. 27:57but that's why the police
846. 27:58did not connect them at all because
847. 28:09[Music]
848. 28:15could you be weirder dude like just be
849. 28:16more of a creep so
850. 28:18unfortunately it stuck uh well yeah
851. 28:21obviously yeah because i've heard
852. 28:22yeah i've heard it i've heard of that uh
853. 28:25and apparently catherine ramsey says in
854. 28:28snapped
855. 28:29the woman the professor had interviewed
856. 28:31at the doctor that when
857. 28:32he wanted to become a famous jailer
858. 28:34killer he had quote he wanted a really
859. 28:37interesting sexy powerful name
860. 28:40what yeah that's what he wanted and so
861. 28:42he came up with that name and i'm just
862. 28:44like dude your name is dennis and you're
863. 28:45married to paul and you're living a
864. 28:47normal life
865. 28:48and but you're also like your mother's
866. 28:50name is
867. 28:51deborah yeah no dorothea
868. 28:55whatever same [ __ ] like you know yeah
869. 28:58you know what i'm saying
870. 29:00so raider stops for a few years years
871. 29:03years yes was it the other one weren't
872. 29:05the other ones like
873. 29:07each other yeah you'll see it's so
874. 29:09bizarre there's no consistency
875. 29:11he has a son with his wife as i said
876. 29:13before in 1975
877. 29:15that was a year a year after his first
878. 29:17murders
879. 29:18so dennis was excited to be a father and
880. 29:20his fantasy life kind of went on the
881. 29:22back burner because he was really busy
882. 29:24with his home life and his job uh he was
883. 29:26working at adt securities he was
884. 29:28[ __ ] going inside people's homes and
885. 29:30installing security systems
886. 29:32oh jesus that's like my worst that is
887. 29:37like the like the
888. 29:40person that you probably shouldn't hire
889. 29:42like for that job it's literally
890. 29:44one person that should probably not it
891. 29:46couldn't be a worse nightmare for me
892. 29:47that yeah
893. 29:48installing your security as a serial
894. 29:49killer so but that's for real that's not
895. 29:51a problem
896. 29:55so some criminologists think that this
897. 29:57was why he was able to lay low for three
898. 29:59years because he had this power going
899. 30:00into these people's houses and they
900. 30:02think that kind of
901. 30:03was able to satiate him right like he
902. 30:04didn't have to
903. 30:06he was able to get that reinforcement
904. 30:08yes without
905. 30:09going full time less response effort
906. 30:12yeah so we have a lot of access and
907. 30:14didn't have to do the same thing
908. 30:16so it's his replacement
909. 30:19alternative replacement behavior read up
910. 30:22yeah so dennis had this extremely long
911. 30:23cooling off period
912. 30:25um and the coolant period is what they
913. 30:27say what criminals call
914. 30:28you know when they go dormant that's
915. 30:29right i would call that the in a
916. 30:31response time
917. 30:33in a response time yeah yeah we're
918. 30:35learning here people
919. 30:37because it's the the time that elapses
920. 30:40between
921. 30:40excessive responses
922. 30:44so he did not strike again until march
923. 30:4717th
924. 30:481977. yeah three years after his first
925. 30:51kiss
926. 30:52that's crazy yeah he attacked
927. 30:55shirley i don't know if it's
928. 30:59in her home she was there with her three
929. 31:01children all under the age of eight
930. 31:03she also you know she was a very sweet
931. 31:05lady she's staying in her church choir
932. 31:07so shirley was at home and her children
933. 31:09were outside on the sidewalk when they
934. 31:11were approached by an individual
935. 31:12who showed them a photograph and asked
936. 31:14if they had seen his wife
937. 31:16he knew if they were kids there was
938. 31:17probably mom in the house
939. 31:19uh he asked if their mom was home they
940. 31:20said yes and they took him to the door
941. 31:21they're just like
942. 31:22little kids well i hope they [ __ ]
943. 31:25they're okay
944. 31:26good thank god like they're not inside
945. 31:28yeah
946. 31:30like they wouldn't back out to play in
947. 31:31the front hopefully so shirley came to
948. 31:33the door and then dennis forced himself
949. 31:35inside
950. 31:35uh he took control of him physically and
951. 31:37the kids were fine so he put them in the
952. 31:39bathroom and threw him some toys
953. 31:41um and tied the door shut okay so in an
954. 31:43interview decades later i have a
955. 31:44question
956. 31:45yes were all the children
957. 31:48male 1 that's a really good question i
958. 31:51actually
959. 31:51don't know
960. 31:54but i guess he killed the boy in the
961. 31:56first murder
962. 31:57he killed his son right because but
963. 32:00there was also because there was
964. 32:01the girl the 11 year old that he wanted
965. 32:03to yes masturbate to yes while he
966. 32:05tortured her so yeah like the disgusting
967. 32:08creep movie is yeah
968. 32:09so i'm just wondering if like he's like
969. 32:11oh there's no
970. 32:12we call it like s delta it's like
971. 32:15there's no i can't get reinforcement
972. 32:16from this
973. 32:18there's nothing that i can get out of
974. 32:19this so like
975. 32:21i i can't contact reinforcement here so
976. 32:23i'm gonna look elsewhere
977. 32:25well so that's really interesting in a
978. 32:26later interview he said that he
979. 32:29wanted to kill them but he like had to
980. 32:30leave the scene you just don't really
981. 32:32know
982. 32:32interesting uh but it's not like he was
983. 32:36caught like he was with the other one or
984. 32:38he just didn't kill them
985. 32:41so yeah that's a good point i don't
986. 32:42really know but so police found shirley
987. 32:44on the bed face down with her hands and
988. 32:46feet bound
989. 32:47having been suffocated what skin with
990. 32:48the plastic bag over her head and
991. 32:50struggled with the cord around her neck
992. 32:52um there was semen found like on her
993. 32:54head
994. 32:56so according to snapped um this is so
995. 32:58sad her son was like looking through the
996. 33:00door
997. 33:00like the hole in the door no i'm
998. 33:03watching his mom being murdered so the
999. 33:05children confirmed it was a white male
1000. 33:07and could have been similar to the other
1001. 33:08orders but it was not 100
1002. 33:11but they did suspect btk because the
1003. 33:13crime scenes were very similar to the
1004. 33:15otero
1005. 33:15so what happened in broad daylight it
1006. 33:17was premeditated the method was the same
1007. 33:19the phone lines were cut
1008. 33:20he was the same type of knot when he
1009. 33:22tied the cord oh that
1010. 33:24was an important detail that was kept
1011. 33:25out of the newspaper so it's not like it
1012. 33:27was reported on so
1013. 33:29copycats
1014. 33:32so then nine months later we have
1015. 33:34another victim that makes sense
1016. 33:36given his the previous where it was
1017. 33:38three months
1018. 33:39so now he has a slightly longer key
1019. 33:42interesting
1020. 33:43yes but it does seem like he goes
1021. 33:44dormant and he kills again and kills
1022. 33:45again
1023. 33:46yeah uh although you know this is nine
1024. 33:48months later but it's not three years
1025. 33:49right uh so nine months later nancy fox
1026. 33:52so
1027. 33:53um the same nine months later the same
1028. 33:56year he killed 25 year old nancy fox she
1029. 33:58was a career woman who worked at a
1030. 33:59jewelry store
1031. 34:01raider says you know post arrest she was
1032. 34:03another one of the projects when i was
1033. 34:05trolling the area
1034. 34:07i noticed her going into the house one
1035. 34:09night i drive by once to check the
1036. 34:11mailbox to see what her name was
1037. 34:12found out where she worked the more i
1038. 34:14knew about a person the more i felt
1039. 34:16comfortable with it
1040. 34:18um so to raider she was the perfect
1041. 34:20victim she was the teach she left alone
1042. 34:22well thank god for that actually because
1043. 34:24i don't want any more kids
1044. 34:26yeah yeah um so she was found on
1045. 34:28december 8th in her home bound and
1046. 34:30strangled she was not physically
1047. 34:31violated but once again there was semen
1048. 34:33found on the
1049. 34:34negligee next to her bed right next to
1050. 34:37her
1051. 34:37i'm sorry um this time though btk did
1052. 34:40something different
1053. 34:42dennis [ __ ] dennis i know it's man
1054. 34:46i know it's dennis did something
1055. 34:48different he called his own
1056. 34:49murder to the police the day after the
1057. 34:53murder the police department got a call
1058. 34:54saying you will find a homicide at 843
1059. 34:57south pershing street nancy fox
1060. 34:59purging which is the street i used to
1061. 35:00live on that gave me the willies but
1062. 35:01anyways
1063. 35:02so they were look at me look at me look
1064. 35:04at me look at me
1065. 35:05so they were able to trace the phone uh
1066. 35:07the pay phone insecure witness that saw
1067. 35:09once again a white male in his thirties
1068. 35:11not helpful like not
1069. 35:12always thanks for thanks thanks for that
1070. 35:15so the police figured that
1071. 35:17dennis wanted to make sure he got the
1072. 35:18credit for it he was obviously obsessed
1073. 35:20with being recognized as
1074. 35:22the quota right attention attention
1075. 35:25so a few months later dennis wrote more
1076. 35:28tell letters to the media so he's just
1077. 35:32writing them he's
1078. 35:33just like i want all the attention tell
1079. 35:35me i'm pretty yeah
1080. 35:36literally though so he sends a letter to
1081. 35:39the wichita eagle beacon on february 10
1082. 35:421978. it contained a poem he titled oh
1083. 35:46death to nancy and states that he
1084. 35:48murdered seven people not six taking
1085. 35:50credit for catherine but not
1086. 35:52naming her he also
1087. 35:55sarah oh my god you're gonna die he also
1088. 35:57talks about quote-unquote
1089. 35:59factor x which drove him to
1090. 36:02kill it was him that's the lamest [ __ ]
1091. 36:05yeah literally [ __ ] factor x which
1092. 36:08showed him to kill it which is
1093. 36:09the factor x yeah it was the factor x
1094. 36:12the factor x made me duet it was not his
1095. 36:14fault it was factor x it was his dark
1096. 36:16side and something he had no control
1097. 36:18over
1098. 36:19so in a post arrest interview he says i
1099. 36:22personally think it's uh
1100. 36:23this is in quotes i personally think
1101. 36:25it's uh and i know it's not very
1102. 36:27christian of me
1103. 36:28but actually think it's a demon that's
1104. 36:30with me
1105. 36:33at some point in time it entered me when
1106. 36:36i was young and it basically controlled
1107. 36:38me
1108. 36:38and they that did people take him
1109. 36:40seriously i mean
1110. 36:41come on a lot of serial killers have
1111. 36:43said that as an excuse before criminal i
1112. 36:45just think it's like
1113. 36:46so i'm so such like a white man so he
1114. 36:48uses term factor x to describe this
1115. 36:50demon and
1116. 36:51criminologists say it's a way for him to
1117. 36:53kind of elude what he's done and
1118. 36:54distance himself from it
1119. 36:56um another says they think it's you know
1120. 36:59another criminologist says they think
1121. 37:00factor x is like a drug for dennis and
1122. 37:02dennis is a drug addict and he like
1123. 37:04needs that fix
1124. 37:05um and when the urge comes there's no he
1125. 37:07just loves talking about himself and he
1126. 37:09and he loves hearing his own [ __ ]
1127. 37:13and so and he wants everyone else to
1128. 37:15like
1129. 37:16lick it up yeah he wants everyone else
1130. 37:18to lap it up just the same way
1131. 37:20and so he's like making up these stupid
1132. 37:22terms
1133. 37:23oh that's so interesting though let's
1134. 37:26talk about
1135. 37:27factor x so in this
1136. 37:30[ __ ] letter he says so let's talk
1137. 37:32about factor x
1138. 37:33so in this in these messages he says how
1139. 37:35many do i have to kill before i get my
1140. 37:37name in the paper or some national
1141. 37:38attention like my dude is desperado
1142. 37:41for attention seriously like my dude
1143. 37:44needs to
1144. 37:44relax like dude
1145. 37:48he's coming so strong like really yeah
1146. 37:50too strong
1147. 37:51a lot a lot still it's just it's a lot
1148. 37:54it's a lot
1149. 37:55we could say so after these messages the
1150. 37:58police knew arlo is moving
1151. 37:59i have two dogs and they're just reading
1152. 38:01he doesn't like it it's a lot it's a lot
1153. 38:03he's offended by his messages i
1154. 38:05understand arlo
1155. 38:06is he going to drink water he's just
1156. 38:08going to drink water and you're going to
1157. 38:09hear that guys
1158. 38:10or i'm going to be able to edit it out
1159. 38:12we will see or you'll be like what is
1160. 38:14she talking about
1161. 38:15can you get back okay
1162. 38:18i will get back to the store right now
1163. 38:20so after these messages the police knew
1164. 38:22wichita had a
1165. 38:23you know full throttle serial killer
1166. 38:25yeah and they knew he would kill again
1167. 38:28and the police held a press conference
1168. 38:29and alerted the community that there was
1169. 38:31a killer
1170. 38:32among them and everyone was like losing
1171. 38:33their minds
1172. 38:36among us oh my god we're screaming and
1173. 38:37we're going to ruin the audio yeah we
1174. 38:39can't do that okay
1175. 38:40um i'm sorry i'm a screamer yeah sam so
1176. 38:43in june 1978 six months after nancy fox
1177. 38:47was killed
1178. 38:48dennis rader had so we have three years
1179. 38:51nine months
1180. 38:52and then six months but this is his
1181. 38:53heavy's daughter oh okay
1182. 38:56so oh that's weird though right so only
1183. 38:58six months after he murdered a
1184. 39:00woman he murdered a woman a human being
1185. 39:04he murdered her and then he procreates
1186. 39:06with his wife and has a daughter
1187. 39:08and he names her carrie um so during
1188. 39:11this time the police you know they think
1189. 39:13he went dormant because
1190. 39:14he was occupied with his family life
1191. 39:15like that's what criminologists think
1192. 39:17we're not making
1193. 39:18sorry criminologists say that the reason
1194. 39:20he's inactive
1195. 39:22after this is because of the birth of
1196. 39:24his daughter so i don't know
1197. 39:26i feel like if he needed it and wanted
1198. 39:28it he'd make time for it
1199. 39:30he'd find a way but what they're saying
1200. 39:32he like
1201. 39:33didn't because he was kind of busy with
1202. 39:36his life
1203. 39:36and like didn't need it i guess i think
1204. 39:39he's still
1205. 39:41well they say he was able to sustain
1206. 39:43himself with auto-erotic fantasies and
1207. 39:44the trophies he had kept from his
1208. 39:46previous killings and that that
1209. 39:47satisfied him you know
1210. 39:48those weird photos and [ __ ] yeah yeah so
1211. 39:50i guess they're saying his previous
1212. 39:52cards
1213. 39:52yes i wonder yeah i mean he didn't take
1214. 39:55off three years before
1215. 39:56yeah that's what's so weird about him
1216. 39:58and that's why they couldn't find him
1217. 39:59for so long because
1218. 40:00they literally could not figure him out
1219. 40:03he's kind of an enigma like he's very
1220. 40:05odd
1221. 40:07so the police assemble the task force
1222. 40:08remarkable
1223. 40:10he's unremarkable i agree with that but
1224. 40:13he's his behavior is not
1225. 40:14his finger's interesting yes because
1226. 40:17it's it's
1227. 40:18not necessarily the norm exactly but he
1228. 40:21is an unremarkable human yeah he's a
1229. 40:23loser he can be very clear about that
1230. 40:26um so the police assembled the task
1231. 40:29force that compiled a list of hundreds
1232. 40:31of suspects and they slowly whittled
1233. 40:32them down to literally none
1234. 40:34so after two years with no success the
1235. 40:36task force was disbanded
1236. 40:41so they do a task force for two years
1237. 40:45does he not kill again in the last two
1238. 40:46years okay
1239. 40:50so many uh began to believe that
1240. 40:54dennis but they don't know the stenosis
1241. 40:56right that btk
1242. 40:57right was gone from wichita um whether
1243. 41:00he was dead
1244. 41:01disabled in prison for something else um
1245. 41:04because he was a compulsive
1246. 41:05you know killer they could tell his
1247. 41:07crimes it was a psychopath
1248. 41:08that he would never willingly stop yes
1249. 41:10they didn't think so
1250. 41:11right um but this was clearly not true
1251. 41:14uh they'd also they had profiled him
1252. 41:17incorrectly so back then the police
1253. 41:19uh believed that he was still at if that
1254. 41:22if he was still
1255. 41:23active he must not be married and
1256. 41:26probably
1257. 41:26only have superficial relationships with
1258. 41:29women
1259. 41:29so essentially using kind of other
1260. 41:31well-known serial killers to profile him
1261. 41:34but raider was there blending into the
1262. 41:36community and serving as a
1263. 41:38cub scout leader a compliance officer
1264. 41:41and even a council member of the christ
1265. 41:43lutheran church
1266. 41:45ctk goes dormant for eight
1267. 41:48years damn that's long it's much longer
1268. 41:51than three
1269. 41:53and that is where we are going to leave
1270. 41:56it
1271. 41:56part one
1272. 42:00so next week next week
1273. 42:03the next time we post but part two we
1274. 42:06are going to
1275. 42:07discuss his final crimes his eventual
1276. 42:10capture which will make you
1277. 42:12majorly lols okay i'm i am excited
1278. 42:16also because like uh this earlier [ __ ]
1279. 42:19has already made me a lol just
1280. 42:20yeah because he's ridiculous right yeah
1281. 42:22like so late it's like so
1282. 42:24the way he gets caught sarah is the most
1283. 42:26it's so boomer i can't
1284. 42:27you're gonna die you're gonna die it's
1285. 42:28amazing so he's just such a loser he
1286. 42:31he gets himself caught it's amazing and
1287. 42:32that's what's uplifting about this
1288. 42:34murder is he essentially gets himself
1289. 42:36caught he's so lame
1290. 42:38and it's very uplifting so
1291. 42:40attention-seeking that's
1292. 42:41very uplifting how he gets caught yeah
1293. 42:43so you're gonna you guys are gonna like
1294. 42:44that i mean so
1295. 42:45i need that we will oh and also i do
1296. 42:48want to talk about some
1297. 42:49psychological uh kind of articles i read
1298. 42:52about him
1299. 42:53and i wanted to talk about the kind of
1300. 42:54the definitions of serial killers and
1301. 42:56their mo's
1302. 42:56and and then talk about in reference to
1303. 42:58him based off of this journal i read
1304. 43:00from harvard or oxford whatever a
1305. 43:02legitimate
1306. 43:03scientific journal okay so that's what
1307. 43:05will be in
1308. 43:06episode two so we hope you guys
1309. 43:09liked it and we're able to tolerate us
1310. 43:12yeah
1311. 43:13and i hope you like those like you
1312. 43:16really like us
1313. 43:17okay we'll be back
1314. 43:26you