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PART 1: Chris Watts' Ex-Girlfriend Nicoli talking w/o "like" & other filler words. Is it possible? — Transcript

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0:00hi this is kimberly the video i'm
0:02presenting to you today is a fresh take
0:04on the likes series
0:06if you've not been watching this array
0:08of high quality
0:09videos i suggest you get right on it
0:12i'll link the string of videos
0:14below for you what i've done in this
0:16series has removed the obnoxious word
0:19like from lunghead's babbling
0:21media interviews that he did the day
0:24after
0:25his family was reported is missing also
0:28from his polygraph and part of his
0:30interview
0:31with cbi agent tammy lee and fbi special
0:35agent graham coder
0:36i still have more to do on cw's videos
0:40but i couldn't wait to get started on
0:42today's escapade with
0:44pinhead's former steady girlfriend
0:46nicole lai
0:47this is her august 16th interview
0:50with cbi agent nick kobach
0:54incidentally i think lunk had picked up
0:57this unfortunate
0:58habit from her since he mirrors everyone
1:01and this video is already so long that
1:04i'm only going to do this quick
1:06intro but i'll explain all about it in
1:08the next one with nicole i
1:10and agent nick which i hope is coming
1:12out very soon i'll do my best
1:15i'll make the next intro longer i
1:17promise
1:18i feel like i've been in a bar room
1:20brawl the other day i saw
1:22president biden on tv and he said it was
1:25my patriotic duty to
1:27you know what about two million or so
1:30people have done so far
1:32i'm not going to mention it by name
1:34because youtube
1:35sometimes frowns upon folks talking
1:37about current events
1:39but my upper arm feels like someone hit
1:42me there
1:42really really hard and yesterday i was
1:45running quite a high
1:46fever but it's back to normal today so
1:50but i'd like to present a little gift to
1:52you i've not only removed the likes in
1:55this video
1:56but also the long hesitations in speech
2:00and meaningless words phrases or sounds
2:03that marks a pause this is where it got
2:06fun
2:06after listening and wincing at
2:08grammatical errors
2:10i went back and removed the common
2:12filler words
2:14such as um
2:17and you know you know you know what i
2:20mean
2:21and as if this weren't exciting enough
2:24well
2:25i recoiled every single time the um word
2:28was uttered
2:30it was loud long and exaggerated
2:33which both sticky and agent nick did
2:36so i removed his annoying speech habits
2:39as well
2:40i almost abandoned this part of the
2:42eliminating the likes project
2:44because of nick doing his deafening arms
2:48even before they got started on the
2:50interview i think the overuse of
2:52um makes you sound insecure
2:55self-conscious and
2:56unassertive so stop the occasional um
3:00is fine if you are truly searching in
3:03your mind
3:04you know what i mean you know what i
3:05mean if you could stand it go back and
3:07listen to the original
3:09and see what a difference all of this
3:11made i can actually follow along now
3:14the concubine was all sad and [ __ ] in
3:17the beginning
3:18i had to quadruple the sound so you
3:20could hear her
3:21twice however it wasn't long before
3:24quickie relaxed
3:25and then got the acting and [ __ ] she got
3:28the acting pretty good
3:29the agent was over explaining [ __ ]
3:33oh my god it got on my nerves she knew
3:35what he wanted from her he just kept
3:37going
3:38on and on and on i wanted him to shut
3:41the [ __ ]
3:42up so i could hear hickey talk he would
3:44ask questions and
3:46then not let her answer and then he
3:48would go on and explain the [ __ ]
3:50out of stuff the same [ __ ] over and over
3:53and [ __ ] over
3:55ad nauseum then he'd ask again and then
3:58not let her flip an answer
4:00i actually find him to be more annoying
4:03than icky
4:04she'd say that's fine that's fine that's
4:06fine i understand
4:08yeah understood understood trying to get
4:11him to shut the [ __ ]
4:12up you know but it didn't work quickie
4:15with the long luscious hair greasy
4:17ponytail
4:17was saying to herself in her head like
4:20dude
4:21like get on with it and stop expounding
4:24so i can like [ __ ] leave you know
4:26i know this because sometimes i'm all
4:29like um
4:30a [ __ ] empath or something you know
4:33but then she started complaining about
4:34her stomach hurting
4:36well it was from your liaria and from
4:39like you know um a guilt trip like you
4:42know from deleting [ __ ] out of your
4:44phone
4:44well i'm gonna stop now with the idle
4:47chatter i'll cover this in more detail
4:49in part two of icky's
4:51cbi interview i'm still feeling a bit
4:54below par
4:55from being guilted into doing my
4:57patriotic duty
4:59lower your shoulder lower your shoulder
5:02lower your shoulder
5:03relax relax lower your shoulder
5:06i'm like just [ __ ] stick me okay
5:10anyway much love and peace thank you for
5:12listening
5:13you speak up just a little bit so the
5:15recorder i know you're tired and you're
5:16stressed
5:17and we won't be here any longer than we
5:18have to be you've already had a
5:20conversation with people before
5:21you came here on your own free will talk
5:23to us we picked you up
5:25at your request and brought you here you
5:26can get up and leave at any time you
5:28don't have to talk to us if there's a
5:30question you don't want to answer don't
5:31answer it if you don't want to talk
5:32anymore just tell me i want to
5:34tell me i want to leave and i'm kind of
5:35in the way of the door but you're not
5:36being
5:37you're not being interrogated as a
5:39criminal suspect we're here to
5:40understand your relationship with chris
5:43and what you know about chris and his
5:44family
5:45and events relating to chris watts and
5:47do you know this chris for christmas
5:49okay so the phone number that you
5:51reached him on can you tell me what that
5:53number was
5:53i could delete that out of my phone too
5:55i'd cut him out of my life it's a 910
5:58number you guys have it well we gave it
6:00to
6:00mark yesterday i i probably have it but
6:03just in case
6:04i don't it if i recited it to you would
6:06you know it just the first three numbers
6:08but you know it has a 910 number yes
6:10that's what i do
6:13north carolina or something okay so
6:16let's just start with a timeline of your
6:18getting to know chris how you guys met
6:21where you met all those things let's
6:22just run and i'm not going to ask you
6:24specific questions
6:25that i think is necessary i'll let you
6:26just tell me your story i think it's a
6:27little bit easier that way so i just
6:29want to know how you met him where you
6:30met him how old you guys were dating
6:32and those kind of
6:38and he didn't have a wedding ring on his
6:40finger and every time i talked to him he
6:42didn't
6:43tell me that he was in a relationship he
6:45didn't even mention his kids right away
6:46either
6:47and then one day he told me that he had
6:48two kids that's pretty cool
6:50and uh started telling me about his kids
6:52that sounded like a sarcastic
6:53no i thought it was kind of cute it was
6:55always a dad it was right around
6:57father's day too
6:58so whenever that is june yeah i'm not
7:01good with holidays he told me had kids
7:03and then
7:04it was father's day shortly after that
7:05so that's what i do now and i was i know
7:07i thought it was cute
7:08and then he's telling me about him he's
7:09pretty excited about him and then he
7:11mentioned that he did have his
7:13significant other and then he told me
7:15that
7:15those two were in the process of a
7:18separation
7:18did he mention the children's name or
7:21his significant other
7:22i didn't know his significant other's
7:24name for a while and then
7:25i think he told me his kids names pretty
7:28quick but to be honest with you on an
7:30exact date
7:30when that happened i don't know so in
7:33man june
7:34first of all where do you work i work at
7:36our co patrol corporation i'm contracted
7:38to end our coaching corporation okay and
7:40you work out of an office setting
7:42where platinum colorado and chris also
7:45works
7:45out of that location yes yes he's in the
7:48field but he comes into the office
7:50so you work uh what is your job
7:52responsibility i
7:53do healthy health safety and environment
7:56okay so you work in the office and you
7:58take care of health safety for
8:00anadarko is a oil and gas company right
8:02so you're doing health safety in office
8:04and chris works in the field yes as
8:06a what kind of job does he do he's an
8:08operator
8:09so i don't know all of his daily duties
8:11but he's a field operator so he works
8:14with
8:14the oil wells so he goes out and does
8:16work on those whatever
8:18yes but he comes into the office
8:20frequently
8:21in the mornings his team meets in the
8:23mornings they don't they're not all in
8:24there every day some days some of them
8:26are in there some days other ones are in
8:28there but
8:29in the mornings typically from 6 15 to
8:32probably seven
8:33somewhere around there and is that where
8:34you met chris yes okay
8:36so can you just take us through kind of
8:38a little bit of the early part of how
8:40you guys how he courted you or recorded
8:42him i don't know which one happened
8:43how you guys got to know each other i
8:45guess we just started talking he
8:46actually
8:47so part of my job is to manage the gas
8:50monitors that we have so anadarko
8:52requires all of their field personnel to
8:53carry
8:54gas monitor sensors for toxic gases and
8:57it's my job to control all the inventory
8:59issues anything like that and we were
9:01having some pretty serious equipment
9:03issues and we
9:04had numerous amounts of people coming in
9:06my office one day and he happened to be
9:09one of them
9:09and i'd seen him before they meet in the
9:12in the lunchroom and that's where i go
9:13put my lunch in the fridge so i'd seen
9:15him but i didn't ever
9:16talk so that day we just started talking
9:18and then every time i saw him in the
9:20hallway after that and it was always hit
9:21or miss it wasn't an everyday thing it
9:23was just when i saw him we just started
9:25talking and we just kind of had a lot in
9:26common and just hit it off so we'd
9:28always have
9:29you know pretty good conversations and
9:30then one day he just
9:32he he told me that he had kids and
9:34started talking as kids and then
9:36mention yes that have a wife but we're
9:38getting separated okay
9:41when he said all that so specifically
9:43when he told you he was getting
9:44separated from his wife was that within
9:46the first couple weeks that you knew him
9:48or was that later on you said you met
9:50him around may or june
9:52yeah it was still in june okay it would
9:54have been before father's day
9:56but you guys ever going out on any kind
9:57of no date at that time
9:59no no no no conversing at work yeah
10:01that's all it was and
10:03we started hanging out we hung out we
10:04went to went to a park
10:06let's go back real quick so he took why
10:08did he tell you that he was getting a
10:10divorce did he ask you out at that time
10:12no he didn't i think he was probably
10:14interested in me
10:15and so he talked to me a couple times
10:18via his work phone and i was
10:19uh no it was still very friendly
10:22conversation
10:23but then when i realized this man is
10:24interested in me i'm interested in him
10:27this is personal
10:28so we got away from the anadarko thing
10:30because i really don't want those guys
10:32affiliated with any of this
10:34so you have a work phone specifically no
10:37i have one phone that i do both on
10:39he has okay so he has your phone the
10:42seven times that's the only number that
10:43i roll with all the time
10:45so he has two phones one of those owned
10:47by anadarko
10:48in one person yes do you know what it is
10:51it's been so long and i mean i'm sure
10:53i'd look it up but i tried to look it up
10:55for those guys yesterday and i couldn't
10:56find it
10:57okay we can find it that's okay but
11:00at that point we just took it to his
11:02phone because i just felt it was better
11:03that way um and we just continue to talk
11:05and then let me go back to the park
11:07where is the park it's down the street
11:08from the house called east
11:10number three your your house in
11:13northland yes
11:14and that was in the june time frame yeah
11:16the beginning of july it was right
11:18around my birthday so
11:19sometime at the very end of june or the
11:21beginning of july okay
11:22and that's the first meeting you had
11:23outside of work basic conversation
11:26for a first date i mean we kept it
11:28pretty simple
11:29i guess i don't even remember everything
11:31we talked about we were there for a few
11:33hours
11:33understand my so if i ask about
11:36conversation what i'm looking for
11:37was he talking about his family during
11:39any of these meetings those are the kind
11:41of
11:41i understand whatever you guys were
11:43talking about relationship
11:45your life your interests those things
11:46that we don't need to know that what i'm
11:48interested in is knowing is when he
11:49brings up his children
11:50and he brings up his wife when he brings
11:52up financial information when he brings
11:54up his home when he brings up
11:56anything that may have been and and it's
11:58been a few days so you've had a chance
12:00to reflect on
12:01some articles that you may have read and
12:03you know unfortunately
12:04that you're in a situation where
12:06somebody has been murdered
12:07and that information when you look
12:09backwards in your memory
12:11with the conversations with chris
12:13anything that he might have said that
12:14would be relative
12:16to that and i'm not just even if one day
12:18he was mad he said i want to do this or
12:19do that anything like that if he ever
12:21made any kind of statements that you
12:22were like whoa that was weird or why
12:24would he say that or why did he mention
12:25that
12:26do you understand what i'm saying no i
12:27completely understand i just feel like
12:29some of this happened
12:30so long ago that i can't tell you the
12:33exact
12:34words of the exact conversation at the
12:36exact time and place
12:38because it's we had a lot of
12:39conversation i mean we talked every
12:41single day
12:42so it's like i'm trying to help you guys
12:44with the stuff the stuff that's more
12:45current i can give you guys a lot more
12:47detail and exact times when you're
12:49asking me about
12:50something that happened six weeks ago
12:52and exactly what was said
12:53i mean i'm sure i can give you a general
12:55idea but to be honest with you to
12:57pinpoint exact words it's not gonna
12:59happen i'm not
12:59looking for exact words just more let's
13:02say
13:02six weeks ago he said something that
13:04triggered with you last night that's
13:06what i'd be looking for something four
13:07weeks ago and if you don't remember
13:08where it was
13:09or the specific words that doesn't
13:11matter just he said something that was
13:12off the wall or he said this or he said
13:14that that has caused you a moment to
13:16pause and you go i wonder why you said
13:18that now
13:19knowing what you know today do you
13:20understand where i'm going with that i
13:22completely understand and to be honest
13:24with you i mean there were several
13:25discussions that we had about his
13:27current relationship and where it had
13:29gone and what it had caused
13:31and he talked about his kids from time
13:32to time but the thing was is he was
13:34never
13:35hostile it was never anything aggressive
13:38even when he spoke of his wife and the
13:40fact that they were separating it was
13:42never
13:42ill it was it was very it was still very
13:45kind it was just this is not working
13:47and would explain why but it wasn't
13:49anything out of the ordinary or anything
13:51that i think would scare me and to this
13:53day
13:53even after everything that i found out i
13:56still look back at that and i don't see
13:57any red lights with the way that he
14:00spoke of his family can you just
14:02describe his
14:03overall demeanor over the eight 10 12
14:05weeks that you guys knew each other it
14:06wasn't that long it was
14:08six weeks that we were hanging out i
14:10guess we knew each other longer okay but
14:12you
14:12met him in the office and just his
14:14overall persona who was
14:16was he aggressive was he mellow was he
14:18calm was he outspoken
14:20who was chris he i i think he's an
14:23introvert i would consider him to be a
14:25pretty
14:25i don't want to say he's a very reserved
14:28individual i think he's probably more
14:30reserved around other people
14:31i think he emphasized to me that one of
14:34the reasons that he really enjoyed
14:35talking to me
14:36is because if he felt like he could get
14:38out of his shell he said around most
14:40people he just didn't
14:41really feel the need to talk and
14:44converse and it wasn't just
14:46in his home life just in general it
14:48wasn't something where he
14:49he's an introvert and he said with him
14:51and with me it made him
14:52feel like he could really just start
14:54talking about things that
14:56excited him and i think a lot of that
14:58had to do with the fact that we had
14:59things in common
15:00so with me i think he was a little bit
15:02more outgoing but even then
15:03i would still consider him to be an
15:05introvert i mean not on the extreme end
15:08if an introvert went to like one to ten
15:10i'd put him at like a four or
15:12five so on the lighter side of introvert
15:14pretty even cute
15:15yes really relaxed all the time he was
15:18never really worked up about anything
15:20just mellow chill easygoing guy very
15:22much okay
15:23and he was that way with you did you
15:24ever did he ever have any kind of did
15:27you guys ever have arguments i mean
15:28pretty short relationship no arguments
15:30during that time
15:32did he ever lose his temper at any time
15:33never guys never had a yelling match
15:35no so you never saw him upset or mad no
15:38and there was a couple times that we had
15:40some disagreements on things that
15:41as we further progress into this story
15:43but it was never i am very calm when i
15:45talk to people it's extremely rational
15:47when i handle situations that
15:49there's a disagreement in and he always
15:51was the exact same way
15:52always i never stressed anything i think
15:55one thing that actually kind of drew me
15:57to him was the fact that he was very
15:58open with communicating with me if there
16:00were any differences on how we saw
16:02things or
16:03or just open-minded about things it was
16:05it was actually i i personally thought
16:07it was kind of unique because
16:09usually most of the men that i've ever
16:10met are typically very closed off and i
16:12didn't get that from him
16:13at all but it was always kind very kind
16:16so no
16:17sense that this guy had a temper or not
16:20it wasn't
16:20was aggressive or he never lost his
16:24mind and yelled and said crazy stuff or
16:26anything like that okay
16:27so can we just kind of go back to your
16:28relationship you said you guys had a lot
16:30in common what what was that
16:32well i mean we're both really into
16:33fitness i think that's important
16:35it's a lifestyle both of us ate pretty
16:37healthy so i think that was important as
16:38well
16:39he's a total gearhead he likes cars a
16:41lot and i don't know nearly as much
16:43about them but it's always been
16:44something that i've been pretty
16:45interested in so we definitely talk
16:47about stuff like that and
16:48i i guess he was always willing to learn
16:50new stuff and vice versa like i like to
16:52travel a lot it's not something that
16:53he's done a lot but he seemed really
16:55interested in
16:56what i had to share with him and vice
16:58versa so even if it wasn't something
16:59that we originally had in common
17:01together it was just hey i respect what
17:02you have to say and vice versa
17:04so you guys just ying and yang he got
17:06along pretty well very well
17:07and no time he never gave me any
17:10indication that
17:11none that he was having issues so when
17:14during your guys dating time
17:16did you guys spend most of the time at
17:17your place always always at your place i
17:20told
17:20well or we'd go out but i told mark
17:23yesterday he asked me if i went over
17:24there
17:25and i told him about one time that i
17:26went over that house i've been to that
17:28house twice but it was
17:29very very brief and it was not an
17:31extended stay i did not feel comfortable
17:33there
17:34or i just didn't want to be there it's
17:35not my life that is somebody else's life
17:37and somebody else's existence and i
17:39respect that that's their space and so i
17:41used to tell him well come
17:42to my house because this is this is our
17:44space this is my space and so
17:46for me out of respect just for whatever
17:48situation he had going on and the fact
17:50that it's not my home i felt that it was
17:52better to be at my place and i live
17:53alone i don't have any roommates or
17:55anything so it's pretty easy to do that
17:56so during june and july
17:58did you were you aware that he his
18:00family was not
18:01did you meet his children no they didn't
18:03want to and he didn't ask me to
18:05okay i mean not that i didn't want to
18:07ever it was just
18:08not now you're not finalized with your
18:10separation
18:11and not only that we've barely been
18:13dating you can't introduce kids to
18:15somebody new in a situation like that
18:17that's something that takes time i mean
18:20would i have liked to have met them of
18:21course
18:22they i mean that would have been a great
18:25honor for me to have somebody
18:26introduce their children into my life
18:28and then but not that it was something
18:30that it was okay well let's see we're at
18:31in six months let's see wherever in a
18:33year and if we're still doing this and
18:34you and me are still
18:35happy with where we're at and you think
18:37that this is something that is going to
18:38be long term and is worth
18:40bringing your children into the picture
18:42then yes i would love to meet them but
18:44like not right now
18:45you are still in this situation where
18:47you're not even completely out of it
18:49and i'm getting in it and that's not
18:51fair for them and that was kind of the
18:53policy that i had with him was it was
18:55just like yes but
18:56not yet so did he ask to introduce you
18:58to his children
18:59not at that time i think both him and i
19:01were on the same page of
19:02eventually if things went as they should
19:05i understand you guys relationship is
19:07very new and young yeah
19:09so although it was short i just laying
19:11everything out
19:12helps us understand what actually was
19:14going on with him and yeah some
19:15we may i might ask you a question you're
19:17going why the heck would you ask me that
19:18probably because i have information that
19:20i'm not willing to share with you and
19:21i'll tell you that right now
19:22i'm not going to tell you some questions
19:23i'm going to ask you to pick i want to
19:24share some information with you just
19:26it protects you and it protects our
19:27investigation so if it seems weird
19:29there's a reason i'm asking it and it's
19:31usually relative to what i know
19:32so don't don't take offense to it again
19:35it's just part of what we need to know
19:36understood so just you went to his house
19:39on two occasions yes
19:40was that recent no that was pretty early
19:42into it and i
19:43did not like it and did not want to go
19:45back do you recall where the house was
19:47yeah it's right off the highway in
19:48frederick
19:49okay you know the streets i mean i'm
19:51sure i could figure it out again if i
19:53really had to look off top of my head no
19:55do you know the street name
19:56no i would have drive around in there to
19:59get there
19:59okay um dude it looked like anybody else
20:01looked at that house oh definitely
20:03i mean that would freak you out i mean
20:05he told me that he was living in the
20:07basement
20:08and he said we're separated but we're
20:09not divorced and
20:11we're gonna get ready to sell the house
20:12and that was the impression that i was
20:14under and i was under the impression
20:15that they were taking everything pretty
20:16slow with this with getting ready to
20:17sell the house i mean those are big
20:19things so that's what i was informed and
20:20i mean if you think about it this whole
20:22thing happened in a six week stretch
20:24it's not really that much of a time
20:26frame so
20:26in that sense it's believable to me yes
20:29i went
20:30i went to the house and first time i was
20:31there i hung out in their like front
20:34living room i just sat on the floor and
20:36it was on the fourth of july it was the
20:37morning of the fourth and i was helping
20:38him
20:39to set up my fitness pal app and track
20:41his food
20:42his calories and stuff because he does
20:44pretty good with the working out and
20:45stuff and he asked me he's like can you
20:46help me just get this dialed in
20:48it's like yeah i can do that so that he
20:50invited me up to the house and i was
20:51already kind of hesitant to do it
20:52because
20:52there are other people that live here
20:54and i just felt like it was an invasion
20:56of space
20:56and so i went up there and we just
20:59stayed in that front room
21:00and i helped him out with that and got
21:01him all set up with that and then oh he
21:03asked me if i wanted lunch and he
21:04grilled chicken
21:05carrots chicken and carrot and then uh
21:07that's all he had and i was like okay
21:09so we so we ate and then i left and then
21:12there was another day
21:14about i can give you the date ish let me
21:17look at a calendar
21:18it was the weekend after my birthday uh
21:20just a thing on the courtesy for the
21:22phone for what was that guy's name dawn
21:25this gentleman oh
21:26third p i just met him today do you want
21:28to do that i forgot about that for tpd
21:31it's not for them they're doing it for
21:32us yes we just didn't we don't have the
21:34equipment with us to do it and i asked
21:36them to do it for us
21:37they're not involved in this
21:38investigation he would just be
21:40a computer person he would not be
21:42looking at any of this stuff that would
21:44fault
21:44myself so keep that in mind he's not
21:46involved in this investigation thornton
21:48pd has nothing to do with this
21:50other than letting us use their facility
21:52and helping us with some electronic dome
21:53he's not going to look at your phone
21:55right now he's going to put it on a disk
21:56and they're going to give it to me
21:59i really want to help you guys i do i
22:01feel like i'm i'm
22:02this whole thing is just going to be
22:04crazy regardless of whether i give you
22:06my phone or not
22:08i mean that's kind of how i look at it
22:10it's happening it's going to happen well
22:12the text reiterates what you've been
22:13saying all along so it's not like well
22:15they do
22:16that's the other thing too i mean that's
22:18kind of a good backup
22:19yeah okay you hit the nail right on the
22:22head there's
22:22reasons why we want everything it
22:24validates things that we know i'm not
22:26gonna come on tell you that i
22:27if you tell me something today we'll
22:28validate it with your text messages
22:30whether it's the ones we have yeah
22:32or the ones you're gonna give us
22:33certainly if you wanna
22:35go get him i want you to read this is
22:37what i want you to do before you decide
22:39that
22:39okay oh the second time i went to that
22:41house i'm not sure what day it was but
22:43it was the weekend the 14th
22:45of august july i don't know it was 14 to
22:48the 15th one of those two days
22:50but we had went out and we stopped there
22:52just real quick on the way back
22:54and we were there not very long but that
22:56time
22:57i saw a picture of his wife and one of
23:00his kids
23:00and i remember thinking to myself wow
23:02she's so beautiful i took a step back
23:04and i was just this man has a gorgeous
23:06house he has beautiful
23:08babies he has a beautiful wife he has an
23:10awesome job
23:11why would he want to lead this and i
23:14remember
23:15talking to him about it and that was the
23:16first time that i tried to actually
23:19say what do you think about not
23:20separating from your wife what if you
23:22really try to work on this and he had
23:24expressed to me that
23:25we've tried to work on this and it's not
23:27working
23:28so that is why we're separating and i
23:30spent some time
23:31just kind of because it almost made me
23:33feel bad where i was to the point where
23:36i'm engaging in a relationship with a
23:37man who the way he described it is
23:39in a contractual agreement but was not
23:42an emotional relationship with somebody
23:44and for me the way i would have
23:46preferred to do this is to avoid it till
23:48that contractual agreement was also
23:50done and he was done and he could have
23:52approached me and said
23:53i just had a divorce you know maybe we
23:55could take this slow what do you think
23:57but instead it was oh we're separated
23:59and we're working on a divorce and
24:01that is the part that i feel bad about
24:03because i should have waited on that and
24:05i didn't and
24:06you know i was just like well they're
24:07already there so you know but then being
24:09in a house was just why
24:11fix this find a way to fix this make it
24:13work you know and and i would i would
24:15i was trying to push him to do it and he
24:17seemed pretty
24:18reluctant to do it he didn't want to and
24:21i don't know we were still seeing each
24:22other fairly frequently but
24:23i kind of backed away so we weren't
24:25hanging out quite as much and we were so
24:27close but it was just
24:28i really wanted him to try i wanted to
24:30know that he cried
24:32and it didn't work and then he moved on
24:34not
24:35not that you know they both kind of
24:37tried and then he
24:38got himself into a situation with
24:40somebody else and
24:41i don't know i just thought he had a
24:43beautiful life going on and he could
24:44have made it work that was the way i
24:45looked at it from the outside so
24:47is this something you reflected on since
24:49this event or was this
24:50you no i was doing it then you said this
24:53this doesn't look right he's
24:54kind of i don't want to be responsible
24:56for breaking up a marriage especially
24:58with two children
24:58is that kind of just i'm getting here i
25:00didn't think it didn't look right i mean
25:02i i think he was legitimately sleeping
25:04in the basement and i don't i didn't
25:06think that these two
25:07were i mean i think it was hey we're
25:09both stuck in this house for now we
25:10gotta sell this
25:11in the meantime you live here i live
25:13here we sleep in different rooms
25:15take care of the kids that's just kind
25:16of how i took that and no i didn't think
25:18it didn't look right i just thought
25:20it just seemed he had so much going on
25:23and it was just beautiful that it was
25:24why don't you
25:25just try this out see if you fix it and
25:27what about us what about us don't worry
25:29about us that is more important try to
25:30see if you can
25:31salvage whatever it is that you have
25:32going on with your wife and and
25:34i always got the impression that he was
25:36a great father to his kids always
25:37and so i was gonna be the dad that you
25:39want to be and see if you can make it
25:41work and he just
25:42we kind of talked about it off and on
25:43for a few weeks and i was just kind of i
25:45don't know
25:46i think i was kind of cold feet about it
25:49when i went after i went over his house
25:50and so this was pretty early on and then
25:52he told me that uh oh he went to
25:55he went to north carolina and he was i'm
25:57gonna talk to her
25:58when i'm in north carolina and see if i
26:00can get her to do this
26:02he'll try to rekindle the flame okay so
26:04try to
26:05salvage his relationship as you've been
26:07asking him yes and and then if
26:09north carolina i think it was the last
26:11week of july somewhere around there
26:13so i mean this was a couple weeks that i
26:15was just kind of trying to push him
26:16let's let's pause at north carolina and
26:18we'll come back to that real quick i
26:19want you to read this
26:20if you don't understand what it means
26:22then ask me the question but basically
26:23what it says
26:24is you have the right not to let me look
26:26at your phone i'm asking to look at your
26:27phone
26:28for the purposes we've previously
26:29discussed for the text messages
26:31and your phone log and unfortunately the
26:33photos that are attached there
26:34too that information is only relative to
26:37this investigation
26:38i'm not looking at anything else except
26:39for the conversations between you
26:41and chris watts and the phone data
26:44between you and
26:44chris watts for phone calls for times
26:46and dates for those phone calls
26:48and then the content of the text
26:50messages that that are there and we can
26:51we'll write that specifically down here
26:53understand it
26:54i don't want anybody to get some of
26:56those texts they have nothing to do with
26:58this case and they're just
26:59between you and chris yes they're just
27:01there just
27:02so just tell me what you're they're just
27:04kind of raunchy i don't need anybody
27:06everybody's an adult posted
27:09somewhere um i don't need that i don't
27:12want the newspapers to get that that's
27:13all i want
27:14the only ones that we would be looking
27:15for again is the same kind of questions
27:18we're getting to here
27:19is things about his children things
27:20about his wife that's the questioning
27:22of did he ever has he ever said
27:24something to you that might indicate
27:26maybe not
27:27then but now that there was something
27:29like this in his mind
27:30or you you know what we're looking for i
27:32don't need to come out and tell you that
27:34i understand the embarrassment
27:36of particular photos or potential sexual
27:38types of conversations you may have had
27:41with chris
27:42it's it's not relative to the
27:43investigation we don't care okay you're
27:45an adult i'm an adult everybody in this
27:47room is
27:48even your dad and i give it to you for
27:49saying that stuff in front of your dad
27:51because i'm not sure many women could do
27:52that
27:53um so that's not what we're after we're
27:56after the
27:56the information that cooperates things
27:59that you've told us and also that
28:01cooperates or
28:02may tend to prove that things that chris
28:04told us were a lot you understand that
28:06um and that's maybe going a little bit
28:07far i usually won't tell people that but
28:09because of your reservations that's what
28:11i'm looking for
28:11if i can disprove something he's told me
28:13by a phone record phone records don't
28:15lie
28:16people do okay so if i can disprove
28:18something that may be important that's
28:20what i need it
28:20i'm not saying i can has it happened
28:22before absolutely is it critical in
28:24cases that i've worked in the past
28:25yes so that's why i want it okay again
28:28you don't have to give it to me you can
28:30tell me i don't want you to have it go
28:31get a warrant i'm not even going to tell
28:32you if i go get it
28:33try to get a warrant right now i'm just
28:35asking for you to consent and and again
28:37we can write right here what you're
28:38willing to give me which is
28:40the text messages and the phone log and
28:42unfortunately again the the attachments
28:44on some of those text messages and i'll
28:46write it on there and then you'll just
28:47sign it okay
28:48do you understand the questions there
28:49jeff questions about any of the things
28:51that it says you understand you don't
28:52have to do this
28:53you're doing it of your own free will
28:55and i know you're tired so if you want
28:56to let your dad read it too
28:58thank you that that's a good idea can
28:59you fill it out before i sign up
29:01and just you read it if you have any
29:02questions then we'll put on there what
29:04we're after
29:05i'm so hungry you should have told me i
29:07would have got you some food i got food
29:08in my car
29:09it's not staying down
29:14i got sick prior to this whole whole
29:16thing happening and then
29:18i think i have all of this compounding
29:20with the fact that i'm sick it's just
29:22not good i've
29:23not really been eating or sleeping much
29:24at all yeah i'm with you
29:26we definitely need to accelerate the
29:29case because
29:30the more law the more it takes the less
29:32sure that they are of situations but on
29:35the other end
29:35i think if we if you do just that only
29:38you tell me what you're willing to
29:39provide
29:40to me and is that good enough i just
29:41want our text conversation
29:44i guess our phone call records so i'm
29:46going to put it
29:47so the time and date of the phone call
29:48records and then our text messages get
29:50photos of him
29:51huh could we get photos of him would you
29:53mind if we got
29:54his photos that he sent to you well
29:56they'll be in that text message thing
29:58so all his photos were sent there was no
29:59apps or anything else you know
30:01that you guys were saying it was all
30:02just text messages yeah
30:04so it could be an attachment to a text
30:06that he sent you pretty much but
30:07everything is in the text and the phone
30:09call records so all of it
30:11because we don't have it on tape we
30:12discussed prior to turning the tape on
30:14on tuesday which would have been the
30:1714th of august you had read some
30:19newspaper articles on the 13th and the
30:2114th that regarded this case
30:23yet also i had a conversation with chris
30:24at some point during the day on monday
30:26and on tuesday because of what you found
30:28specifically what you said was and i
30:30don't let me put words in your mouth but
30:31you
30:32you found out that his wife was pregnant
30:34and i yeah and you did not know that
30:35prior
30:36and you found that out via the newspaper
30:38articles and that caused you concerns
30:40well i just realized that he was lying
30:42to me and i was well if you can lie to
30:44me about this what else you lying to me
30:45about and it made me realize that maybe
30:47his wife was in danger at that point and
30:49it was day two too and she still wasn't
30:51home what did that cause you to do with
30:53your phone
30:53oh what when i deleted those i was just
30:55kind of grossed out by him to be honest
30:57with you i was just i don't know what's
30:59going on right now but you just
31:00lied to me and i don't want to see this
31:02come over my phone anymore
31:04so i removed it so you just you already
31:07said but you removed text messages
31:09i deleted all of his stuff because he
31:11lied to me i mean that's what it was it
31:12was
31:12it was the hurt that made me delete it
31:15and then it was the lie
31:16that made me start questioning
31:18everything else he'd been telling me for
31:19the last few days
31:20and that's when you decided to come
31:21forward yes okay so just for context
31:24yes when people delete stuff off phones
31:26usually we go
31:27no no it wasn't that's why it wasn't
31:30delicious at all he he
31:32he lied to me it just hurt i had never
31:34felt like he'd ever lied to me before
31:36and it was a big lie i mean telling
31:38somebody
31:38that you're in the midst of a divorce
31:40and then you
31:41have a wife that has a 15 week old baby
31:45on the way
31:46is a huge huge thing and i was very
31:49taken back
31:50and i was just it was hurt and so at
31:52that point i just i
31:53like deleted it i had i had a few more
31:56quick
31:57things to say to him and then i just
32:00got rid of him that's literally what i
32:01did i just cut him out of my life it
32:03would have honestly been a bad breakup
32:04kind of thing
32:05if none of this other stuff would have
32:07happened that's what it would have been
32:08that would have been the end of it the
32:09information was not destroyed
32:11because there was anything in there that
32:13would be harmful to you
32:15or potentially to chris at this point
32:17but harmful to you in particular that's
32:18not what you did no
32:20you did it out of excuse my language
32:21this guy's an [ __ ] so i'm getting
32:23rid of it and i'm getting this stuff off
32:25my phone that was me kicking him out of
32:26my life
32:27and then like i said and then realizing
32:29that he lied that was when i was
32:31okay maybe his family is in danger and
32:33they're not coming back and they're not
32:35staying with a friend
32:36yeah when did i go over there tuesday
32:37morning wednesday morning wednesday i
32:39called you wednesday morning
32:41that's when we started discussing you
32:42guys need to get everything that you
32:44just
32:45you can understand the importance of
32:47well no question we were like i said
32:49people lie
32:50home records down and they really help
32:52specifically
32:53establish dates and times i think we
32:55have a very good grip on that in this
32:56case already but there may be a time
32:58when we go we need to know
32:59something else and then we would have it
33:00we don't want to lose it and that's
33:02that's really what it is for us
33:03is if we lose information that later on
33:05we go man i wish we would have got that
33:07and we may never even use we may never
33:08even look at them but if
33:10if we have it now then we didn't worry
33:12about it so i appreciate you being
33:13cooperative and giving it to us yeah
33:14so the first thing i wrote was text
33:16messages between chris watts
33:18and attached okay so because we're
33:20talking about the photographs
33:21unfortunately cause you much disdain
33:23and then i am going to put a phone log
33:25for calls
33:27between uh yourself and chris watts your
33:29phone number is
33:31and this right now is located at we're
33:34at the thornton police department it's
33:35going to be moved to my
33:36this is kind of it doesn't make sense
33:38but we're here it's going to be moved to
33:39the car bureau of investigation he's
33:41going to download it here but i'm going
33:42to take it with me just so you know it's
33:43not staying here okay they're not going
33:44to retain any of this this comes with me
33:46okay okay is there anything else you
33:48want on there i think that's about
33:49that's it i mean i don't have social
33:51media i don't really have anything else
33:53you guys can pull
33:54okay is there anything else you know of
33:56that could help us with this
33:57that is not on this sheet as far as data
34:00that's on your phone
34:01no no i mean everything we did was text
34:04and talk pretty much i mean and like i
34:06said any pictures that i had even if you
34:08were to restore all my regular photos
34:10there's so many pictures in there and
34:11you wouldn't even know which ones were
34:12for him and which ones weren't but the
34:14one
34:14any picture that i wanted to send to him
34:16i sent me a text so if you guys go
34:18through the text and the attachments you
34:19will have you will have everything that
34:20wasn't said verbally
34:22and was done via text but i think that's
34:24it i don't have i don't have anything
34:26else as far as no facebook no instagram
34:28no no twitter no linkedin none of it so
34:31there was never any of that
34:32kind of correspondence so i think that
34:34should probably cover
34:36everything you guys will need is there
34:37any particular messages that i
34:39would help me so i don't have to look at
34:41because whatever's on your phone i don't
34:42know how long
34:43we're going to get back to but let's say
34:44there is there a particular date or time
34:46or message that stands out to you that
34:48would be relative to
34:50specifically to the investigation into
34:51this case that might assist me
34:53in understanding why something like this
34:55could have occurred i'm still in shock
34:56that this whole thing
34:57happened i i that's why i gave him the
35:01benefit of the
35:02doubt for the first day because of no
35:04way i didn't even
35:05think about that i mean murder was not
35:07on the top of my mind when somebody
35:09doesn't come home for an evening
35:11especially if they just had some sort of
35:13heated conversation it's okay you guys
35:16are separating you have heated
35:17conversation
35:17you leave for a night i didn't even
35:19think this guy killed his wife i mean
35:21that that murders on something on the
35:23top of my mind
35:24when i call one of my friends for three
35:25or four hours and she doesn't answer the
35:27phone
35:27it doesn't even process to me is a real
35:30thing
35:31that is a possibility at that point and
35:33so that's why i gave it a day
35:35and then the second day i was talking to
35:36him he was just a hot mess i could tell
35:39and then with the way he was talking to
35:40me and then that's kind of when i cut
35:42him off
35:43and i stopped talking to him and then so
35:45remember what you just said and we're
35:47going to get to that because that's
35:48probably
35:48very important yeah so if you want to
35:50know two days i would probably honestly
35:52just start a sunday and work your way
35:55forward i mean all the rest of that
35:56stuff
35:57it's just a small talk okay this this
35:59this i mean
36:00and your relationship building through
36:02the yeah i mean if you go to make a week
36:05further back there's times i was trying
36:06to help him find an apartment
36:08just for him not for me but for him and
36:10his kids to get set up and there's times
36:13well where's your wife
36:14moving to how close is she gonna be to
36:16you you should be within 30 minutes of
36:18your kids so they're close
36:20and you want to be close to their school
36:21and close to your gym and what's your
36:23price range i was helping him get
36:26all of this stuff set up and it was in a
36:28very decent manner i don't know if all
36:30of that
36:30is in text some of it's probably on the
36:32phone at this point i've talked to him
36:34so much that i don't even know which
36:36parts are
36:36wise and which parts are texted at this
36:39point but we can figure it out
36:40okay you see what i wrote text messages
36:43between chris watts and attachments
36:45uh and then the phone locks for calls
36:47between your phone number and chris
36:48wants
36:49those are the two things that will ask
36:50to be extracted from your phone so if
36:52you're okay with that why does it say
36:54adam's removed cell phone data isn't
36:55that this
36:56that is that and that's what he's going
36:57to remove and then that officer is going
36:59to fill that out gotcha
37:00what is the date i don't even know what
37:02today is the 16. add anything to this
37:05one yeah we just we want to give you
37:08everything but we also want to be
37:10protected
37:10in doing so it's more of the sure it was
37:13more of the thing it's just
37:15and when he's done we'll give you is
37:16there a password or anything like will
37:18it lock up after a period of time yeah
37:29let's go back to north carolina okay he
37:30went to north carolina and he was trying
37:32to
37:32rehab his marriage with his wife he said
37:34do you know her name at this point yeah
37:36okay are you okay saying her name uh
37:38it's shenan
37:40all right and do you know the children's
37:41name yes it's bella and celeste
37:44cece she went by they called her cc so
37:47he went to
37:48were they in north carolina they were
37:49already there
37:51i don't know if my stomach would do that
37:52yeah they were already out there he just
37:54flew out there to go meet up do you know
37:55why they were there
37:56they're they're all from there okay so
37:58they were they were visiting
37:59her family for the most part until he
38:02got there and then they still were
38:04mostly visiting her family
38:05okay and you know how long they had been
38:07there a while weeks
38:08all right and he flew out to join his
38:11family there yep do you know
38:12specifically where he flew to
38:13well airport no no wood city no not off
38:16the top of my head i'm sure if i thought
38:19real hard maybe i could think about it
38:20but
38:21i mean come up with it no i don't know
38:23all right so he goes there how
38:24do you said it was the last week of july
38:27i think so i think it was one of the
38:28last days of july i'm almost positive i
38:31think it was a weekday
38:32okay yeah i flew out there and i thought
38:35i had like convinced him to try
38:37to make peace with her and i was like
38:39you guys work on this i'm out because
38:40what's the point i'm not trying to be
38:42with somebody that's in another
38:43relationship which i know that sounds
38:45silly given the whole relationship that
38:46we had in the first place but i really
38:48was under the impression
38:50that they were separating i mean it was
38:52reiterated to me
38:53so many times that that's what i thought
38:55it was and it made sense to me too
38:57because he could pretty much call me
38:58whenever he wanted i was the one that
39:00would tell him like hey when your kids
39:01are awake you need to spend time with
39:02your kids do that and then
39:04after they go to bed if you want to talk
39:05to me you can talk to me but it was like
39:07this
39:07super super restricted thing sometimes
39:10like right after work
39:11if i was still talking to him i get kind
39:12of bummed out and i you know i tell him
39:14oh it's frustrating sometimes having to
39:16wait but at the same time i was never
39:18this is
39:18horrible or it was always i understood
39:20why but then once his kids were asleep
39:22he never had any it was he could do what
39:25he wanted do you know what i'm saying he
39:27was in his basement
39:28and she's upstairs and they're not
39:30speaking so it kind of made sense it
39:32wasn't
39:32you guys are just texting or talking or
39:35whatever
39:36yeah i mean and it was just it was like
39:38i said it was at certain times but that
39:39time
39:40and originally it wasn't but it was me
39:42that put that time frame on there
39:43because
39:44i thought you should hang out with this
39:45kid those two times you were at his
39:46house did you see any evidence of that
39:48him living in the basement did he ever
39:49show you that area
39:50i've seen yeah i went down there and saw
39:53his his little workout equipment and
39:54there's a bed down there
39:56all set up and the basement was all
39:57clean and organized and stuff so like a
39:59like a decent bed set up
40:01so it made sense to me hey this is this
40:03is what's happening down here so i saw
40:05it
40:06even though his family was in north
40:07carolina for multiple weeks it appeared
40:09that he was still
40:10living in the basement well and he told
40:12me sometimes he would go upstairs and
40:13sleep if
40:14if he was home alone because i know
40:16she'd like go on business trips and
40:17stuff but he's i don't like that bed
40:18anyway so he didn't really
40:19sleep over there okay um even when it
40:21was just him so
40:22that was the impression that i got and
40:24we're talking about north carolina
40:26yeah good go back tomorrow so north
40:28carolina so
40:29he still made very frequent
40:31communication with me when he was out
40:32there
40:32and at one point he told me that they
40:35sat down
40:36and they talked about it and he told her
40:39that he wanted to either fix things
40:41or to try to fix things and if she
40:43didn't want to fix them then they needed
40:44to move
40:45forward with the separation actually
40:46file for divorce at this point was
40:49was the impression that i got from this
40:50and just what he told me and so
40:52he said that she was pretty receptive to
40:54just not trying he was she seemed like
40:57she just
40:57wants me to go he's like when she has
40:59her mind made up she has her mind made
41:00up and that's what she wants and he
41:02doesn't want to try anymore and he's and
41:03neither do i really and he was
41:05it's done and he's and then the next day
41:08i don't even know what days these were
41:09sometime when he was out there he told
41:11me
41:12we're putting the house up for sale as
41:13soon as we get back and i was well that
41:15was quick and he was gets her
41:16she's ready to go and i was okay and so
41:19i left it at that
41:20and then he got back and i started
41:22asking him what are you gonna do
41:24because the colorado housing market is
41:26fire and you guys are gonna sell this
41:28house
41:28real fast and you need to start looking
41:30for a new place to live
41:31where do you want to live and i was
41:33really trying to help him out
41:34do you want to get a house do you want
41:37three bedrooms so you have one and each
41:39of your girls have one
41:40um do you want to do an apartment what
41:43do you want
41:43where do you want to live because he's
41:45in frederick but that whole area over
41:46there it's just a bunch of small towns
41:48and you can kind of just pick and choose
41:49everything's kind of
41:50and so he told me why i like brighton
41:53and i was okay
41:54and then he told me he wanted a two
41:57bedroom apartment and he said he wanted
41:59one room for him
42:00and the other room for his two girls and
42:02i thought it was kind of cute
42:03i remember telling him yeah me and my
42:05sister had bunk beds
42:06at my dad's house and i was when we were
42:08little girls and we were me and my
42:09sister the same age apart as him and his
42:11i mean as his two daughters you know so
42:13i told him i was they're gonna love it
42:14they might be stuck in in one room
42:16together but they'll become like best
42:18buddies and it was really exciting
42:19i liked helping him and i just wanted
42:21him to i don't know this is what he told
42:23me he wanted so i was well i will help
42:25you do the research but another thing
42:26that i really took care of was to be
42:28where is she moving to
42:29i was like you know what screw your wife
42:31try to get full custody none of that
42:32[ __ ] it was always just you know i'd
42:34ask him uncle what kind of custody you
42:36guys gonna have because he said
42:37he at work they're about to switch his
42:39schedule so right now he's got monday
42:41through friday and they're about to
42:42switch these guys to eight days on six
42:43days off
42:44that stuff that's awesome and i and i
42:47was so i was telling i was asking the
42:49most are you gonna have your kids
42:50on that set of days off i was that would
42:53work perfect one week on one week of and
42:55i was just you know we just talked about
42:56it on what is your plan
42:58and he's we haven't figured out exactly
43:00what we're going to do about the kids
43:01yet but he told me he's colorado's a 50
43:0350 state and she's okay
43:05with everything 50 50. he said that she
43:07was on board with this because she
43:09wanted it to
43:10she was checked out of this relationship
43:12so that was how he made this sound
43:14that it was a very kosher we're done
43:16kind of thing
43:17did you ever give him books or articles
43:20or anything to read about saving your
43:21marriage did you ever provide anything
43:23to him like that
43:24about saving his marriage yeah like how
43:25to recover a marriage or how to save
43:28your marriage
43:29you know there's there's all sorts of
43:30publications and books out there no but
43:32i did tell him
43:33and i don't know if i did this through
43:34text or phone that will be something you
43:35guys will i'm sure
43:36figure out but i would tell i told him a
43:39few times i think
43:40that you should take the time to read
43:42some articles uh
43:43about what separation does to kids i
43:45told him i said when
43:46my parents separated we were literally
43:48three and five we were almost the exact
43:50same age as these little girls and i
43:51told them i said
43:52i was so young when it happened that it
43:55didn't
43:56really have like a big negative effect
43:58on me because it was so small that i
43:59didn't really process it too well it was
44:00but i do have cousins that their parents
44:02got divorced when they were
44:0410 11 and i think that it hit him a
44:06little harder
44:07and he's well they'll be fine i told him
44:09even though they're small
44:10and you think that they'll be fine i was
44:12i think you guys should just
44:13read about it just so that you guys are
44:15prepared in case one of these two
44:17starts having a hard time with the fact
44:19that you guys aren't in the same house
44:20anymore and and i would tell them
44:22there's pros and cons to it because he
44:23was getting ready to do it and it would
44:24be it's kind of cool having two
44:25christmases and your parents get to go
44:27be happy doing whatever it is they want
44:29to do with their lives and they don't
44:31have to be
44:31in a situation that's probably not good
44:34for the kids because it's not good for
44:35those two but at the same time it was
44:37just
44:37me like that's what i always used to
44:38tell him i'd always tell him i i tell
44:40people to read about everything reading
44:41is so good for you so he
44:43at this time is telling you that yeah i
44:45am the guy trying to save the marriage
44:47and she does
44:48that's what he told me that's what he
44:49told me so and he yeah and then he's she
44:52doesn't want it
44:52so i'm not gonna do it and then it was
44:55we're filing for divorce
44:56we're selling the house and this was all
44:58as soon as they were coming back from
44:58north carolina
45:00do you recall when he gets back from
45:01north carolina no i don't even know how
45:03long he was out there i know it was less
45:04than two weeks and more than one
45:06i'm good i don't remember so he's he
45:08comes back early august did that be fair
45:10oh yeah it was definitely in the first
45:11two weeks somewhere
45:13probably the second week of august at
45:14some point in that i don't remember when
45:16does his wife come back with him at that
45:18time yeah they all came back yeah i'll
45:19come back
45:20they all came back and then yeah so he
45:22he continues to just
45:24tell me that this is what he wants and
45:25and so i took the time and you will see
45:27that in the text too
45:28where i found this apartment it was
45:30perfect it was so cute
45:32oh it's in your price range it's six
45:34miles from the gym
45:35it's 23 miles from work um it's super
45:37close to frederick
45:38it's gonna be by your kid's school this
45:40is this is the spot yeah and
45:42and and i told him i was like i'll keep
45:43looking for more places and he's well
45:45there's some that i want to go see too
45:47and he actually had me thinking that he
45:49was going to go look at these places
45:51this week before all this so this is
45:52fairly recent though
45:54this just happened he's going to go look
45:56at apartments he wanted me to go
45:57with him when you say this week are you
45:59saying this monday was the 13th
46:01this week okay yeah so i told him i will
46:03pick out a few spots
46:05and if you want me to come with you i'll
46:07go look at him but you
46:08you said earlier that he had never or
46:11that
46:12the apartment wasn't for you and him it
46:13was just for him and his children
46:15oh yes it was you weren't had no
46:16intentions of moving in with him no
46:18i have my own spot i still have a lease
46:20there till july
46:21and even then like he never asked me to
46:23move in with him and
46:25i never tried to move in with him i mean
46:27i told him i mean i really try to take
46:30everything with this whole situation
46:31very slow the only part that i screwed
46:33up on was the fact that he wasn't
46:35completely separated from her
46:36when him and i decided to spend time
46:39with each other that is where i screwed
46:40up but other than that everything else
46:42it was always you build your life i'm
46:44going to build my life we will
46:45intertwine them
46:46but i am not ready to do this and he
46:49respected that
46:50and i and i i even said that and i don't
46:52know if that might be in the text but
46:54said that two words like chris like
46:56you need space you're just getting out
46:58of a divorce
46:59personally i think jumping into a new
47:01relationship is a little quick it's like
47:03i was in a relationship earlier this
47:05year
47:05and i think this is also a little quick
47:08and i'm so why don't we take our time
47:10and if you guys end up doing a week on a
47:12week off with your kids
47:13and the week you have your kids be with
47:14your children and the week that you
47:15don't
47:16i don't even want to see you every day i
47:17think we should spend a few days of that
47:19together
47:20because i like my space and i think you
47:22need your space i think you need your
47:23space to develop your identity again and
47:25get it back
47:26because i think he's just been so
47:27wrapped up in this whole thing that he's
47:29got in his own life
47:30and his life that he i mean he doesn't
47:32remember probably what it's like to be
47:34single or have time where it's just him
47:36and so i was just embrace that i think
47:38it's a beautiful thing and i really try
47:39to take it smart with all that and it
47:41was the same thing with his kids i was
47:42just and i
47:43and we talked about things every once in
47:44a while where i did hey if i ever meet
47:46because i have a lot of house plans
47:48that's a good example so i have a lot of
47:49house plans and i told i told almost one
47:51day
47:52if i ever meet your kids i was i'm gonna
47:54show these girls how to paint pottery
47:56and plants plants i was like i think
47:57they would love to see something grow
47:59that they built i think it would be
48:00really really cute
48:01and little stuff like that but it wasn't
48:03very frequent it wasn't
48:04hey we should get married and hey we
48:06should have babies and hey i want to
48:08live with you and hey i need to meet
48:09your children now and let's cut the mom
48:11out it was never like that
48:13there was never any conversation about
48:15can't do this with her around we can't
48:17do this with the kids around
48:18he never said that you never said that
48:20yeah so there
48:22the way you guys were trying to make
48:23this work was just slowly trying to come
48:25together because of his
48:27current situation and you buy your own
48:29account your own mine
48:30you're just a independent person it
48:33sounds like pretty much
48:34but through text message or through
48:36conversation he never
48:38said hey this is going to be financially
48:40able i'm not going to be financially
48:42able to do this
48:43or this isn't a good thing i got these
48:45kids none of those conversations ever
48:47came up
48:48no i mean he told me he had a budget
48:50restriction so for his apartment and i'm
48:52pretty sure this is in the text and this
48:54will probably be in the last couple
48:55weeks he told me 1100 to 1400 when i was
48:57asking him because i told him i held him
48:59do homework i was use homework i'll do
49:00homework we'll knock this
49:02out because if you guys are for real
49:03putting the house up you got to figure
49:04it out
49:05and so that was his budget and i
49:07remember asking him
49:08you sure you don't want to just get a
49:09house and you've never thought about a
49:11house yeah you can rent houses man
49:13it's a thing and he's just i don't know
49:14if i can afford that okay
49:16and i knew that those two had been
49:18through some financial trouble i
49:19definitely found out a lot more about
49:21that situation
49:22in the newspaper recently okay so prior
49:26to the newspaper
49:26how did you know he was in financial
49:28difficulty because he i mean i when i
49:30went to that house
49:31everything in there is very very very
49:33nice it looks like it all comes with a
49:35very expensive price tag
49:37and uh i didn't say anything to him
49:39about it but i could kind of tell then
49:40where i was just looking at everything
49:42how do you guys afford this and then he
49:45has that car
49:45this i don't even know how much that car
49:47costs but i've got it recorded that
49:48lexus
49:49i'm sure that thing cost like 80 grand
49:51but just money everything just looked
49:53like it cost
49:54a lot of money in that house you
49:55probably have a decent idea of how much
49:57money he makes
49:58yeah and it's not enough money to pay
50:00for all that not even close
50:02did you have any idea of what shanann
50:04did for a living or how much money she
50:06might have made
50:06i mean i had an idea i don't i mean i
50:09would consider her like a sales rep i
50:11don't know how else to describe that for
50:12the company that she worked for
50:14and i don't know exactly how much she
50:15made he said that she was really
50:17competitive and she liked to try to keep
50:18up with them
50:19she gets close sometimes so i don't know
50:21how much those two brought in
50:22i mean off top my head if i could guess
50:24probably somewhere around like 140k a
50:26year i mean
50:27i don't know because i don't know
50:28exactly how much he makes and i don't
50:30know exactly how much she makes but
50:31based just off what i know about the oil
50:33field
50:33yeah i would say that's probably an
50:35accurate estimate so
50:36even if they're making let's just use to
50:38figure a hundred thousand dollars
50:40they're living above their means or
50:41below that oh my god
50:43way too much way way way with you any of
50:46those
50:46issues i mean a little i mean i didn't
50:48know about the bankruptcy or any of that
50:50until i read on the newspaper about that
50:52but he just
50:53i think he was really frustrated with
50:55the situation he told me
50:56my paycheck goes in my bank account and
50:58i just watch it go like this he's like
51:00but it doesn't have to he's
51:01she makes it like that i was just
51:03resentful for that
51:04i don't know if he was resentful i just
51:06think he was frustrated by the fact that
51:08they could be
51:09doing a lot better financially and she
51:12from the vibe that i got
51:13had really bad spending habits so she
51:15was a spender
51:16the car hers or his i think it's hers
51:19i'm pretty sure that that's hers
51:21do you know what other car they might
51:22have well i mean his apc pickup truck
51:25and that's that's it i think that's
51:27owned by anadarko though right
51:29yeah but so i don't i don't think they
51:30own any other vehicles as far as i know
51:32i think it's just that thing
51:34in anadarko who doesn't allow him to
51:36drive that on his own personal time
51:38right
51:38so he's just got one vehicle and it's a
51:40very expensive lexus
51:42and then they live in a pretty defensive
51:44house this is a huge house
51:45i was very taken back when i saw it
51:50inside caused you to pause everything
51:53everything was just and then you
51:54mentioned today you read something about
51:56bankruptcy yep
51:57what did you read that those guys filed
51:59bankruptcy for a lot of money
52:01in who were those guys to that that
52:03couple in 2015. oh shanann and chris
52:06piled bankruptcy in 2015. okay
52:09and you said for a lot of money do you
52:10recall the amount no because it was
52:12different in each in newspapers and i
52:14don't know which one to believe
52:16so hundreds of thousands of dollars so
52:19yeah i didn't know that let's go just
52:21back to him and
52:22the financial he tells you he has a
52:26concern enough to at least express
52:27some something to you that he's
52:29frustrated with the way she spends or
52:31he's upset with working so hard and
52:34never having any money
52:35and she's kind of the responsibility
52:37she's the responsible party for spending
52:39most of the money
52:40i i pretty much got that vibe i mean he
52:42just told me his warehouse broke
52:43all the time that's unfortunate and i
52:46asked him i was do you have 401k
52:48and he was yeah and i mean the reason i
52:50ask him this is because
52:52if i get in a relationship with somebody
52:54i want to know
52:55what kind of baggage that they have i
52:57think that's important if i walk into a
52:59situation where okay
53:00i have good credit and i have all these
53:02things that i've been building
53:03and you don't have your stuff together
53:06what are we gonna do with this and it's
53:07important for
53:08your your long-term so i'm preparing
53:11and so i just asked someone we'll do
53:13your 401k and he was
53:14he's yeah i do have that and then i
53:17asked him i was um i
53:18i didn't ask him how much debt they had
53:20or anything but i just said
53:21is your lifestyle sustainable and he was
53:24no how long do you think that's going to
53:25take he's like i don't know
53:27but it's not sustainable where did his
53:28girls go to school i don't
53:30know he never actually told me when i
53:32gave him i asked him once it was like
53:33when i was trying to find him in an
53:35apartment i was are you comfortable tell
53:36me where your girls go to school that's
53:38in the text too i was
53:39so i can figure out what distance from
53:41the apartment is i was trying to just
53:43make his life convenient with him his ex
53:45his kids and all the stuff that he needs
53:47to do and work and he was don't worry
53:49about it their school is pretty
53:50centrally located so
53:51anywhere in the area that we were
53:53discussing will be fine
53:54and he just left it at that so he didn't
53:56even tell me which was fine i respect
53:57that daycare is obviously very expensive
53:59for a two month three and five-year-old
54:01right
54:01so i don't understand never bring uh any
54:04did he ever discuss that
54:05never okay never the only like i said
54:08the only financial thing he ever said is
54:09just she just likes to spend money
54:11a lot of it so that was just kind of the
54:12vibe that i got from that and that it
54:14was just it was a lifestyle that she
54:15liked to live very
54:16materialistic kind of lifestyle it was a
54:19certain image
54:20yes all the time and he said that that
54:22was why they got that house too
54:24so she wants everybody to think that we
54:25live a certain way and that we can
54:27sustain all this stuff and we can't and
54:29i told him i said when you're in those
54:31situations why don't you
54:33do you voice your concern about this and
54:36he told me he's when i try to talk to
54:38her he's just really bossy and she
54:40usually shuts me out
54:41and he's when she does that he's i just
54:43let it go i just all right
54:45i mean i don't i don't try to interfere
54:47with how those two
54:48interact but i did ask about it because
54:50i'm just curious because i would never
54:52put myself in a situation where someone
54:53was you know what we're going to live in
54:54this house
54:55that costs double what we can afford and
54:57that's how it's going to be because i
54:58want everybody to think we're fancy
55:00because
55:00i wouldn't do that i mean to me i
55:02wouldn't put up with somebody doing that
55:04to me and i'm not saying that that's
55:05what she was
55:06doing i mean for all i know he could
55:07have been completely lying about this he
55:09could be the one spending all the money
55:10sure you know this is just what he told
55:12me exactly
55:12so i mean that's as far as i can
55:14interpret it so i can't be like well oh
55:16she needs to do this and she needs to do
55:17that but he just he voiced his concern
55:20where it's just financially i'm in a
55:21very bad spot that i don't need to be in
55:24but i'm stuck in and that was kind of
55:26where he was at so
55:27but i mean he was never mean when he
55:29talked about her he was never
55:30hostile nothing like that he just can be
55:33very common this
55:34is the situation and i think the only
55:35reason that he even provided me with
55:37that information
55:38is because i asked okay you said
55:40something um
55:41about her being controlling or bossy
55:44bossy that's what he said bossy in like
55:47all
55:48aspects of their life or what exactly we
55:51meant by that
55:51how that affected him i think he was
55:53just saying when he voices his opinion
55:55it's not heard
55:56it is the gist of that which i thought
55:58from what it sounded like from their
56:00separation
56:00from them trying to separate that that
56:02was a big deal for him where he was
56:04saying that the reason that they don't
56:06really get along anymore is because he
56:08feels like he's not heard
56:09he says that he comes home from work and
56:11he tries to talk to her
56:13and she's just one minute i'm on the
56:14phone or she'll scroll through social
56:16media and she doesn't
56:17acknowledge him and he said that he'd
56:20addressed it with her a few times and
56:21they're calm he said they don't really
56:23fight they don't scream and yell
56:25and he said he'd addressed it with her a
56:26few times and he said it just fell on
56:28deaf ears
56:29she just seems like she's not interested
56:31anymore and i think
56:33it made him sad because i mean he was
56:35all about his kids and he seemed like he
56:37was trying to be all about her but it
56:38just wasn't reciprocated and i think at
56:40that point he was just i don't it's just
56:42they just kind of fell apart just kind
56:45of drifted apart
56:46but it was was that your words or his
56:48what the things
56:49those are mine okay those are mine he
56:51just said that they didn't communicate
56:53very well
56:53and it wasn't in a aggressive way
56:56communicate was just the fact that they
56:57didn't communicate at
56:58all they just didn't talk they had
57:01children and they
57:02did did was ever mention that he was
57:04trying to resolve or
57:06save his marriage to for the children's
57:08sake a lot of people talk about that did
57:10he talk about that i mean
57:12he told me that he believed that the
57:14only reason that those two had still
57:15been doing it as long as they've been
57:16doing
57:17he told me that her and him have had
57:19communication issues
57:20for about six years where she just seems
57:22really detached and uninterested
57:24in trying to build something with him
57:26and he said
57:28i said six years is a really long time
57:30for you guys to not fix that
57:32considering they were married for what
57:33eight i mean that's the majority of
57:36their marriage
57:36and he said sometimes i think we just do
57:39it for the kids or something like that i
57:40mean it's been a long time since i had
57:42some of these conversations so i don't
57:43know verbatim
57:44but it was pretty much just get you to
57:46remember something yeah but he said it
57:48wasn't just
57:48him though he was i think she does that
57:51too
57:52i mean and it was this equal part where
57:54they are just kind of going through the
57:55motions i think
57:57and so when he told me that she was cool
57:59with the 50
58:01everything and just breaking it off and
58:03being really civil about it
58:04it kind of made sense to me because i
58:06was the way he made this sound it wasn't
58:08oh she's this horrible person or oh i'm
58:10this horrible person it was
58:12her and i have drifted so far apart that
58:14it's kind of a mutual agreement that
58:15this is not going to work so in those
58:16six years though they had two children
58:18yep and you said earlier you did not
58:21know she was pregnant until reading the
58:23newspaper
58:24so that never came up in any
58:26conversation
58:27there was no no indications that that
58:30was going on
58:31he never hinted to anything like that as
58:34far as you knew
58:35he was just leaving her he had two
58:37children and
58:38that was the final take on yes i think i
58:41know why he lied to me he lied to me
58:43because if i don't know
58:44that he had a child on the way i'd never
58:47wasted my time with him in the first
58:48place
58:48none of this would ever even occur if he
58:50would have just told me the truth so do
58:51you think if he found out that you
58:53if let's say this week you guys were to
58:55go look at some apartments and this is
58:57hypothetical but you
58:58you've never found out that his wife was
59:00pregnant would
59:01would that have changed anything like
59:03you just said if i knew he was his wife
59:05was pregnant i wouldn't be in this
59:06picture
59:07so if his wife was not pregnant and
59:09forgive me
59:10but if if if he takes her out of the
59:11picture you're never going to know that
59:13she was pregnant right what do you mean
59:14takes her out of the picture
59:15if he murdered her she's out of the
59:17picture you're never gonna know if she
59:18was pregnant if he can get away with
59:20murder you're not gonna i got divorced
59:22from my wife do you understand what i'm
59:24saying here if she's gone
59:26don't leave hypothetically please
59:43you

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