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0:02I don't have a phone down. No, I don't
0:04have one.
0:06I lost it then.
0:07We are on the record for the video tape
0:09deposition of Alex Jones taken on
0:12Thursday, March 14th, 2019.
0:15The time is approximately 12:02 p.m.
0:18Will the court put the sworn witness?
0:20Would you raise your right hand, please?
0:22Do you do solemnly swear that the
0:24testimony you're about to give will be
0:25the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
0:26but the truth?
0:27I do. Thank you.
0:35Mr. Jones. I was When do you want me to
0:37go on the record? Oh, yeah, let's do
0:39that now. Actually, Mr. Barnes, won't
0:40you do that for me? Uh thank you. Uh
0:42this is Robert Barnes. I'm general
0:43counsel for InfoWars and and
0:46Mr. Jones and his his context Free
0:48Speech Systems LLC here representing
0:51him. I have a motion for pro hac
0:53pending.
0:54Uh and the agreement is that I can
0:56represent and defend Mr. Jones here with
0:59the acknowledgement that I am bound by
1:01the Texas rules of civil procedure, the
1:03Texas ethical and professional rules,
1:05and the Texas sanctions rules, and will
1:07be bound by the court.
1:09Thank you, Mr. Barnes.
1:10Uh
1:12Oh, you're doing it with the mic on?
1:12Yeah, I thought it was going to work.
1:13no problem.
1:17Mr. Jones.
1:21Mr. Jones.
1:21Hm?
1:22I want to go back to when this all
1:23started.
1:25And in fairness to you,
1:27one of the things that you've tried to
1:29make clear
1:30is that you're not the one who started
1:32the theory that Sandy Hook was a false
1:34flag, correct? Yes. And that's something
1:38that was borne out by InfoWars archives
1:40and that you've been able to rely on in
1:42court, correct?
1:47I I don't exactly understand what you're
1:48saying. Okay, let me help you with that.
1:55I'm going to be showing you what I'm now
1:56marking as exhibit one.
2:01It's a double-sided document.
2:04Mr. Jones, that is a July 27th, 2018
2:08affidavit which you executed, correct?
2:10Yes.
2:12I want to go through this affidavit with
2:13you.
2:16In the highlighted part, sentence by
2:17sentence. Do you see the pale orange
2:19part which I'm now going to read to you?
2:21"Plaintiffs claim that I started the
2:23controversy and or conspiracy about
2:26Sandy Hook being a hoax. This is not
2:28true." I read that correctly? I need to
2:30read the full page, please. I need to
2:31read the full
2:32Please, take a moment to read it.
2:33Let me just read this.
2:55I just read the orange part. You want me
2:56to read I actually just read it to you
2:58and wanted to know if I'd read it
2:59correctly.
3:02Let me to read it again for you, Mr.
3:03Jones. "Plaintiffs claim that I started
3:05the controversy and or conspiracy theory
3:08about Sandy Hook being a hoax. This is
3:10not true." I read that correctly?
3:11Yes, that Okay. The next sentence says,
3:14"Before I ever publicly commented on any
3:16issues relating to Sandy Hook, I learned
3:19that others with whom I have no
3:20affiliation or relationship had already
3:24posted articles Excuse me, Mr. Jones, if
3:26you'd like to flip the page.
3:28"relationship had already posted
3:30articles online making this claim and
3:32questioning the events as reported." I
3:34read that sentence correctly?
3:35Yes. So, there were a variety of
3:38articles and YouTube videos questioning
3:40the events that started getting popular
3:43in the time period after the shooting. I
3:44assume you saw some of those?
3:45Yes. Um how long is this are we talking?
3:48Are we talking days, weeks, months?
3:53I
3:53I I I don't know I don't want to answer
3:56incorrectly. I don't remember the the
3:57exact times. It was
4:00So so I really can't state that time,
4:02but it did it I think a month or longer.
4:06Sure. Okay. I remember there was about a
4:08month after the shooting, there was a
4:09relatively popular YouTube video went
4:11viral. Do you do you recall this video?
4:13There were a lot of 2 million, 10
4:15million There was a bunch of videos and
4:18it was a firestorm of uh
4:21uh on on the internet about it. Okay.
4:24And it was then which you would saw that
4:26that you started covering it, started
4:27commenting on Sandy Hook.
4:30Objection as to define Sandy Hook.
4:36Um Objection as to form. Form, thank
4:37you.
4:39You can go ahead and answer, Mr. Jones.
4:44No, I started commenting on Sandy Hook
4:46that they would use it to go after our
4:47guns,
4:48that the media always hyped up school
4:51shootings and was causing copycat
4:52events, that the mainstream media were
4:54basically psychic vampires promoting
4:56mass shootings so they could blame gun
4:58owners and try to to take the second
5:00amendment away, which which they pushed
5:01to repeal the second amendment. So, for
5:03the first month or so,
5:05and again, I can't go back to exact
5:06numbers. It's like almost 7 years ago,
5:08but but we've gone back and looked at
5:09some of it to trying to find It was like
5:11at least 3 weeks, 4 weeks or so till and
5:14and and then there was such a firestorm
5:16internet's like, "No, this isn't Prozac.
5:18This isn't video games like I was saying
5:20I thought like other school shootings
5:22that happened
5:24uh this was um
5:26you know, some type of staged event or
5:28multiple shooters or people in the woods
5:30and things like that. So, there was a
5:31whole range of theories and a big
5:34internet debate going on that that I
5:36then reported on and gave analysis to my
5:38opinions. Correct. Okay.
5:40And I think that's what was weeks after.
5:43I can't give the exact number. Um
5:46I immediately when it happened,
5:48you know, said, "Oh, look, another
5:50person in a black trench coat,
5:51you know, loner on psychotropics." It
5:54came out. "Shoot 'em up video games."
5:56And I remember being criticized by the
5:57video game industry saying, "Don't you
5:59blame video games." I'm What I'm curious
6:01about, Mr. Jones, can you flip the page
6:02back over again and look at the
6:03beginning of the yellow sentence?
6:05So,
6:06when you say, "Before I ever publicly
6:09commented on any issues relating to
6:11Sandy Hook," you saw other stuff going
6:14on.
6:15Right? You mean you mean whether it was
6:17staged or not. I mean, you In other
6:18words, you made some comments about
6:20Sandy Hook when it first happened. But
6:22in terms about it being a false flag or
6:24staged or some sort of hoax event,
6:27right? That That came later. Okay.
6:29You're not the one who started that.
6:31Objection as to form. I know that I
6:33didn't start it.
6:35And I think it's a boilerplate anytime
6:36there's a big public event like Jesse
6:39Smollett or babies in incubators in
6:41Iraq, a lot of people question
6:44uh you know, whether it's real. I think
6:45President Trump questioned
6:47right after he got elected and was first
6:49in office whether the attacks on the
6:50Jewish cemeteries were being staged.
6:52Turned out they were. So, I mean, I I
6:54mean, I would
6:55Again, I
6:57going from memory, I remember looking at
6:58it as
7:01the standard horrible tragedy of
7:03psychotropic drugs, a kid into
7:06a cult not you know, type stuff like
7:08Columbine, shoot 'em up video games. I
7:10remember that's where I was going cuz
7:12that's where all the other shootings
7:14basically came from. Sure. And so, I
7:16can't specifically I mean, I'm going
7:18from the best of my memory. Okay.
7:21Mr. Jones, I want to show you some video
7:22clips of some things you were saying as
7:24news broke of Sandy Hook and in a video
7:28that that day that you titled
7:31Connecticut School Massacre Looks Like
7:34False Flag, Says Witnesses. Can you play
7:37the clip day of Sandy Hook?
7:43But get a hold of your cousin when she
7:44settles down and and and get her to talk
7:47to us for any other information. We need
7:49to know Were there any drills that day
7:51or the day before? Uh did she know any
7:54Did she have anything about other
7:56shooters or was it Did she never saw the
7:57shooters?
7:59Well, I had to ask and if if it was
8:01supposedly two cuz they they have a lot
8:03of security at that school. You have to
8:05ring a doorbell in order to get into the
8:07school. Yeah, of course, which is
8:08another sign of that CIA.
8:10One of these federal model schools.
8:12You've heard me say look for a big mass
8:14shooting at schools. You've heard me.
8:16We've got to find the clips last 2
8:17months. I probably said it 20 times.
8:19So, don't ever think the globalists that
8:21have hijacked this country wouldn't
8:23stage something like this. They kill
8:24little kids all day, every day. And it's
8:26not our government, it's the globalists.
8:29And that is a hand sign job, right
8:31there, in the way you cut it. I bet
8:32money that woman was a super liberal.
8:36I bet money. Cuz that's what I said. I
8:38said, "I bet he's in his 20s, a big
8:40video gamer, a trendy." Well, notice
8:42notice it it didn't happen the last few
8:43years and now that Obama's coming in
8:45with gun control, magically these
8:46shootings are popping up. People got to
8:48find the clips the last 2 months. I said
8:50they are launching attacks. They're
8:52getting ready. I can see them warming up
8:54with Obama. They've got a bigger
8:55majority in the Congress now and the
8:57Senate. They are going to come after our
8:59guns. Look for mass shootings. And then
9:02magically it happens. They are coming.
9:04They are coming. They are coming.
9:07Mr. Jones, this is a video where you
9:10made comments on issues relating to
9:12Sandy Hook and you put forward a theory
9:15that it could be staged by the
9:17government to take away our guns,
9:19correct? Uh what Objection
9:21Seems like this is a video from watching
9:23it that's different pieces put together.
9:25Correct. Okay. So, it's not from So,
9:27it's So, different things are out of
9:29context. Is there any way that to get
9:30like the whole
9:31You own the whole video and it's been
9:32put to produce with Mr. Zip Savvy do? Uh
9:35yeah. Okay, but
9:36for his purposes, so he's just getting
9:38If he wants to go watch an entire 4-hour
9:40video, I'm not going to have time for
9:41that now.
9:42been produced. Zip Zip Savvy do.
9:44Actually, Connecticut false flu full
9:45video has been produced and it's been in
9:47the court. And if you want to argue
9:48about that and object, you can object at
9:50that at the time it's offered. That
9:51objection's preserved. You don't have to
9:52object to form to that.
9:54Mr. Jones, that was a video in which you
9:57made statements about Sandy Hook and in
9:59which you said put forth the theory it
10:01could be staged to take away our guns.
10:03that's a Media Matters edited that's a
10:05Media Matters edited derivative
10:07production.
10:08that tape? Uh it's it's edited.
10:10And that's you talking about don't think
10:12this couldn't be staged. Our government
10:14kills little kids all the time. That's
10:16you saying those words.
10:17With smart bombs and things. Yes, that's
10:18edited out of context more.
10:20is, Mr. Jones, you were the first person
10:23in the world to make the false flag
10:25theory about Sandy Hook and you did it
10:27before the bodies were even cold. That's
10:29the truth. No, it's not true. form
10:33into the definite Are we going to have
10:34like set definitions of the words like
10:36No, you can object to form. Yeah, that's
10:38that's the rule 199. Just object to
10:40form. That's fine.
10:42Mr. Jones, you said in your affidavit
10:44that before you commented on any issues
10:47relating to Sandy Hook, you saw other
10:50things that other people were doing.
10:52That affidavit has false statements,
10:54doesn't it?
10:54No.
10:55So, we didn't just see you commenting on
10:57issues relating to Sandy Hook?
11:00That was callers calling it up and it's
11:01heavily edited.
11:03You're going to tell me you watched that
11:05video and you weren't commenting on
11:06Sandy Hook? I told you 5 minutes ago
11:08before you played it that as a
11:10boilerplate of any big public event,
11:13whether it's Jesse Smollett or whether
11:14it's babies having their brains bashed
11:16out in incubators or WMDs that I upfront
11:19questioned it because things from
11:20Operation Northwoods and hundreds of
11:22declassified real staged events where
11:25our government admits that it staged
11:27events that I always boilerplate say
11:29that we need to investigate the the the
11:32news reportage of this and see what's
11:34true because there's such a long history
11:36of governments and corporations and
11:38legal groups uh engaging in fraud. And
11:41and I I said that before you played the
11:42clip. Objection non-responsive. Mr.
11:44Jones, I have a very simple question for
11:46you. That video you just saw of you
11:48talking, were you talking about Sandy
11:50Hook?
11:51Um the edited pieces were. What?
11:53The pieces that I edited and put
11:55together of you speaking.
11:56believe Media Matters.
11:58I edited them. When I edited those
11:59pieces together and put them in front of
12:01you, was that you on the camera? That's
12:03I saw Media Matters video of that
12:04before. That's not you you're saying you
12:06you edited that?
12:07Yeah, I did, Mr. Jones. It's not a But
12:08you did edit it. It's not an important
12:10deal. I did. Yes. I'm not here to answer
12:11questions.
12:12clips together.
12:12Those clips were edited together by me 2
12:14weeks ago. Oh, okay. Why didn't you just
12:16play it unedited?
12:17That's Mr. Jones, I'm not here to answer
12:19your questions. You understand you're
12:20here because people have sued you and
12:21you have 4 hours in which they're to ask
12:23you questions. You're going to do that
12:25for me today?
12:25Yes, I'm answering your questions. So,
12:27in that video, yes or no, you were
12:29commenting about Sandy Hook?
12:31In the edited video, I was commenting on
12:33Sandy Hook.
12:35You agree over the years you've seen
12:36various anomalies relating to Sandy
12:38Hook.
12:40I've seen reported anomalies. A lot of
12:42those anomalies are in videos. Things
12:44like um the helicopter video of people
12:47being detained in the woods. You know
12:48what I'm talking about?
12:49Yes.
12:50Okay, there's the Anderson Cooper
12:51interview with Miss Delarosa. You know
12:53what I'm talking about there? I know who
12:55Anderson Cooper is. You know what the
12:56blue screen video is? Yes. Nose
12:58disappears? Yes. Okay. You know that
13:01there's some videos of some interviews
13:02that were just kind of strange, right?
13:05Those are something you've seen? Yes.
13:07You've there's been discussion on
13:09InfoWars about the interior videos taken
13:12of the school itself, right?
13:13Yes. There's been discussion on InfoWars
13:16about dash cam video footage at Sandy
13:18Hook.
13:21Remember Mr. Due talking about videos of
13:24the officers eating their lunches on top
13:25of their cars?
13:26remember that. Okay.
13:27But if there was if Mr. Due talks about
13:29dash cam footage, you have no reason to
13:31believe he's lying, do you? I'm still
13:32not not familiar with what you're
13:33talking about.
13:34Okay.
13:35And InfoWars has also discussed
13:38questioned the official story from time
13:39to time, correct?
13:41Including the official report about
13:43Sandy Hook that was released. There's
13:44some weird things in there that have
13:45been questioned on InfoWars. What the
13:46one that came out like 5 plus years
13:48later? Uh I think in December of 2013.
13:51So, about a year later? A state police
13:53report?
13:53State police report. You're familiar
13:54with what I'm talking about? I I that's
13:55so long ago. Like 6 years ago. I just
13:58But I mean there's anomalies all over
13:59the place is what I'm saying. Is you've
14:01seen anomalies that
14:02of people asking a lot of questions that
14:04isn't illegal yet in this country.
14:06Correct. Recently, your lawyer said in a
14:09legal document there is no dispute that
14:12the Sandy Hook tragedy was real with
14:13tragic loss of life. You stand by that?
14:16I'm sorry, you're you're talking so
14:17fast.
14:18Sure. Sure. Let me slow down a little
14:20bit for you, Mr. Jones. Recently, your
14:22lawyer said in a legal document there is
14:25no dispute that the Sandy Hook tragedy
14:28was real with tragic loss of life. You
14:31stand by that. That's what you admit is
14:33true now.
14:34Yes. Okay. But in the past
14:38before you had all the information in
14:40the past, you didn't know exactly what
14:42happened at Sandy Hook.
14:45You've questioned it.
14:46Oh, well, I mean certainly in the in the
14:47past I mean the last 7 years.
14:49Sure. Yes. And in fact, over the course
14:52of covering Sandy Hook over the past 6
14:54or so years um you've always entertained
14:57serious doubts about what really
14:58happened that day.
15:03I'm sorry, I don't understand. Sure.
15:05Over the course of Sandy Hook, you've
15:07questioned the official story.
15:09You've you've had serious doubts that
15:11the official story was true.
15:13I've always from the beginning had
15:16questions about any big public event
15:17that's hyped up because so many times
15:20parts of it are being covered up or
15:22things are being staged or they're not
15:23letting a good crisis go to waste. And
15:25sometimes things are completely made up
15:27like the babies in the incubators, which
15:28is admitted. You know, you're the PR
15:30firm. Sure. They said the babies' brains
15:32were all bashed out and then they
15:33launched all those wars and I heard you
15:34say that. And then no, it's it's
15:35admitted. And the WMDs
15:37and and then and then the WMDs were a
15:39lie, too.
15:40And that launched and it killed millions
15:42of people. Okay. Objection
15:43non-responsive.
15:44Well, I'm I'm trying to answer your
15:45question because Do you know what
15:46question you're answering? Well, well,
15:48you were asking a question of
15:50like
15:52I'm I'm not sure you're saying you've
15:53always questioned it.
15:55And I'm saying no, I questioned it up
15:56front. The public questioned it.
15:59And then as I had time to go over a lot
16:01of the anomalies turned out to not be
16:03accurate and I believe school shootings
16:06happen. Correct. So, I think a shorter
16:08way is you you had doubts. You had
16:11questions until you didn't. At some
16:13point, I mean things changed. I
16:15understand that. But there have been
16:16points in which you questioned the
16:18official narrative. You've had serious
16:19doubts about some of these things.
16:20Yes. Um and and these anomalies that
16:22have come out, you've these things have
16:25raised doubts. You've had serious doubts
16:27about the anomalies, too.
16:28Yes. Okay.
16:30By the spring of 2013 or so, let's say
16:33just a few months after the shooting.
16:35By that point, you had gone from theory
16:39to just straight up telling your
16:40audience Sandy Hook was staged and the
16:42evidence is overwhelming.
16:44Objection as to form.
16:47Correct? What does staged mean? I'm just
16:49asking you what you used to were telling
16:50your audience.
16:51No, no, I'm I'm
16:51I'm not answering your questions, Mr.
16:53Jones. You're going to tell me what
16:55staged means when you said it. So, what
16:56I'm asking you is a few months after the
16:58shooting, you had gone from theory to
17:01straight up telling your audience Sandy
17:03Hook was staged and the evidence was
17:05overwhelming. True or false?
17:08But I'm asking you to define what you
17:10mean by staged.
17:10I'm not asking I'm not asking for a
17:12definition of staged. I don't care what
17:13staged means. I'm asking did you say it?
17:16I don't have it in front of me, but I
17:18mean I did say that I saw a lot of
17:20anomalies that I thought that certainly
17:22large parts of the way it was being
17:25handled
17:26I mean, you know, the Supreme Court of
17:27that state came out and said they
17:28covered up
17:30some of the reports of what happened at
17:31the incident. And I think a lot of
17:33that's been borne out. That when you see
17:35a cover-up going on, you're not sure
17:36what's happening inside of it. And later
17:38we just learned it was a cover-up of I
17:40think some of the negligence
17:42there in the town and and with the
17:43school. I don't think the teacher that
17:45tried to save the kids was negligent,
17:47but I think I think that person was a
17:48hero. Um
17:50sad they got sued, but I I do you know
17:54clearly think that there was some
17:56cover-up, but it wasn't in that it was
17:57all the whole thing staged, but that the
18:00way the media handled it was synthetic
18:03and the way it was used against gun
18:04owners was synthetic. All right, Mr.
18:06Jones, objection non-responsive.
18:09Can you play the clip overwhelming for
18:10me, please? Mr. Jones, I'm going to show
18:12you a clip from April 16th, 2013.
18:16Fast and Furious. They staged staged
18:17Aurora. They staged Sandy Hook. The
18:19evidence is just overwhelming and that's
18:21why I'm so desperate and freaked out.
18:23This is not fun.
18:25You know, getting up here telling you
18:26this I I
18:27somebody's got to tell you the truth.
18:29Somebody's got to stand against these
18:30people. That's you on the video, right?
18:33Yes, that's me on the short video.
18:35Yeah, it's a short video. I understand.
18:37By the end of 2014, you had personally
18:40done intensive research and you
18:43concluded Sandy Hook was all fake.
18:45Objection as to form.
18:47And are you asking him to repeat a quote
18:51No, I'm I'm asking him by the end of
18:532014, you had personally done intensive
18:56research and you concluded it was all
18:58fake, correct? Still objection as to
19:00form.
19:02The specific areas I was talking about
19:05being fake, not in a totality. Okay. Can
19:08you play the clip for me didn't happen?
19:10Mr. Jones, hold on 1 second. I'm going
19:11to play you a clip from December 29th,
19:142014.
19:16You go ahead and play that for me. But
19:18it took me about a year with Sandy Hook
19:19to come to grips with the fact that the
19:21whole thing was fake.
19:23I mean, even I couldn't believe I didn't
19:25jump on it, use the crisis, hyped it up,
19:27but then I did deep research and my
19:29gosh,
19:30it just pretty much didn't happen.
19:33That's you saying you did deep research,
19:36correct?
19:36Same objection as to form and that these
19:38are
19:39highly edited excerpts Also, the audio's
19:42been altered on all these.
19:45Yeah, can you stop with speaking
19:46objections?
19:47I'm just explaining
19:48I know exactly what you're doing and you
19:50need to say objection form, objection
19:51leading, assert a privilege, or stay
19:53quiet. You do not need to be making
19:55suggestive objections about the content
19:57of the evidence and what its form is.
19:59You don't need to be doing that, Mr.
20:00Barnes. I'm not trying to do that. I'm
20:02just saying that
20:03these are videos that are highly, you
20:05know, they're Mr. Barnes, I don't That's
20:07a great opinion. I don't understand why
20:09your opinion is relevant to these this
20:11questioning right now. Would you
20:12wouldn't be doing this in a courtroom.
20:14Don't do it in my deposition.
20:15a courtroom it wouldn't come in cuz it
20:16wouldn't be admissible cuz it would be
20:18the rule of completeness.
20:20Barnes, that's why your objection is
20:21preserved as to the form of that
20:23evidence. You don't have to raise an
20:24objection. The only reason you would be
20:26doing it is to possibly influence the
20:28witness and yourself. Let's stop
20:29talking.
20:30a standing stipulation that when I
20:31object to form, that includes an
20:33objection to the rule of completeness.
20:35Absolutely. Thank you. Although Then
20:37we're good.
20:38You Oh, and we'll just put on the record
20:40every objection to every piece of
20:41evidence is preserved under the Texas
20:43rules, which is part of rule 199. I was
20:46objecting in a way that that
20:47Mr. Barnes
20:49Um I'm not trying to Excuse me. Excuse
20:50me, counsel. You were speaking over one
20:52another. You're making the record very
20:53muddy. I'm sorry. So, we have a standing
20:55stipulation that when I object to form,
20:57that includes an objection on rule of
20:59completeness grounds to any evidence
21:01that or document or exhibit would
21:03otherwise include other excerpts. Thank
21:05you, Mr. Barnes.
21:08Over the next few years
21:10Mr. Jones, you did dozens and dozens of
21:14videos with that same message about
21:17Sandy Hook being staged, correct?
21:19Objection as to form.
21:21No. Okay. Well, I want to do talk about
21:23some of the claims you've made over the
21:25years.
21:27The first thing I want to talk to you
21:28about is circles.
21:29And I want to show you a video clip of
21:31something you said on November 18th,
21:342016, April 22nd, 2017, and June 13th,
21:392017. Can you play me the video clip
21:42going in circles?
21:47And the kids are going in circles in and
21:48out of the building with their hands up.
21:50But then what do you do when they've got
21:52the kids going in circles in and out of
21:54the building with their hands up? I've
21:55watched the footage.
21:56And early on that day we watched footage
21:58of kids going in circles
22:00in and out of the building.
22:02You'd be running them away from the
22:03building. Leave it up. Leave it. Can you
22:05Oh, can you give me the last frame,
22:06please?
22:11You'd be running
22:12All right. Mr. Jones
22:14when you said you'd be running them away
22:16from the building, what did you mean by
22:17that?
22:20The police should be getting the
22:21children away from the building. Right.
22:23Yeah,
22:24okay. So, so the police should be
22:27Um, scratch that. It No doubt there's a
22:30dangerous situation. Shooter on campus.
22:35Is it dangerous when there's somebody
22:36shooting up a school? Yes. Okay. And so,
22:39you would think
22:40if proper procedures were being followed
22:42and you're keeping them safe, this looks
22:44pretty weird, doesn't it, if they're not
22:46being run away from the building, right?
22:49Yes.
22:50But Mr. Jones, when you said this to
22:52your audience
22:54you knew that wasn't the school. You
22:56knew that.
22:58Right?
23:01Uh Are you saying that's part of his
23:02broadcast? Yes, it says InfoWars right
23:04there on the bottom.
23:05Okay, so that's part of the same
23:06broadcast. Yes, you see where it says
23:07InfoWars? Just as long as you're
23:09representing that the video that you're
23:11showing him now with the people walking
23:12across was part of the same broadcast
23:15First of all, there's only going to be
23:16one lawyer defending this deposition,
23:18Mr. Enoch, and you've already chosen it.
23:19No, Mr. Enoch, there will be one lawyer
23:21speaking on the record. There is one
23:22lawyer defending the deposition. I'm not
23:24being tag-teamed by the two of you. And
23:26so, I would appreciate it if you kept
23:27your mouth shut for this deposition. Let
23:29Mr. Barnes defend the deposition. For
23:31the record, in the bottom corner of the
23:33screen is a large InfoWars logo. This
23:36was broadcast on InfoWars. So, Mr.
23:38Jones, my question to you is, when you
23:40broadcast this to your audience and you
23:42told them this, you knew that wasn't the
23:45school. Correct?
23:47answer my question. Is it And it's a
23:49simple question and I'll stay quiet.
23:51If If you represent that the video of
23:53the the school that you're showing, that
23:55firehouse, was part of the same
23:57broadcast in which he made his
23:58statements.
23:59Yes. That's all.
24:00Mr. Enoch, we just watched it. Do you
24:03really think I edited his words over a
24:05different video?
24:06What I think doesn't matter. Thank you
24:07for answering the question. Mr. Enoch,
24:09I'd appreciate it if you kept quiet the
24:10remainder of this deposition and let Mr.
24:12Barnes defend the deposition. Mr. Jones,
24:14you knew that wasn't the school.
24:16Objection as to form. Correct?
24:17I did not know that. Uh this is so
24:19edited. Looks like two different shows
24:21together. What Can you play it again?
24:23It's so edited. I've never
24:24Can you play at least the last part
24:26there where he's in the video just
24:27Please play the whole thing.
24:27Play the whole video again for him.
24:30These are three different clips and I'll
24:31remind you, Mr. Jones, these are from
24:33November 18th, 2016, April 22nd, 2017,
24:36and June 13th, 2017.
24:38him it was the same broadcast.
24:39And this one right here is the same
24:40broadcast, Mr. Jones.
24:43This is November 18th, 2016. And the
24:45kids are going in circles in and out of
24:47the building with their hands up.
24:49But then what do you do when they've got
24:50the kids going in circles in and out of
24:52the building with their hands up? I've
24:53watched the footage.
24:54And early on that day we watched footage
24:56of kids going in circles
24:58in and out of the building.
25:00You'd be running them away from the
25:01building. Let's see if we can help you
25:03understand this.
25:04Well, I mean Hold on, Mr. Jones. Let's
25:05see if we can help you understand this.
25:06You understand this first video where it
25:08says Sandy Hook Vampires Exposed.
25:10See that?
25:11Yes, that's about the media. Correct.
25:13That's April April 22nd, 2017. That's an
25:16InfoWars video. Uh it's blurred. I can't
25:18I can't see that.
25:19In other words, you know that there was
25:20an InfoWars video with that title.
25:23Correct? I believe so.
25:24Okay. And then we saw a second clip from
25:25your Megyn Kelly interview, right?
25:28Which again was highly edited.
25:29Sure, totally. And I edited a piece of
25:30it in here. Correct? That was from the
25:32Megyn Kelly interview.
25:33Wait, time out. Time out. Either we need
25:34to take a break. You just told me that
25:37everything you showed him was from one
25:38video.
25:39No, Mr. Enoch, I told you what was on
25:41the screen and the audio were from the
25:43same video. If you want to take a fair
25:45deposition, you're entitled to do that.
25:46You are not entitled to misrepresent to
25:48the witness three different dates
25:51and say three different dates of video
25:52and say this was the same video. Were
25:54these all the clips that you showed in
25:56the same video, yes or no? No. And we've
25:58said we've said that repeatedly from the
26:00moment I've asked him they were from
26:01three different dates. I read the three
26:02different dates to you, Mr. Enoch, so
26:04your indignation can calm down and you
26:06need to be quiet in this video
26:07deposition. Mr. Barnes, can you please
26:09instruct your counsel to be quiet? You
26:11are de- defending this deposition.
26:13No, it's your choice. Actually, I've got
26:15a question on the floor. We're not
26:16taking a break.
26:17The All right, the I'm just saying a lot
26:19of it This is a
26:21You're entitled to do depositions the
26:22way you want, but what I'm saying it's
26:23creating a lot of maybe unnecessary
26:25confusion. And hey, I'm walking through
26:27it with him right now. That's where
26:29we're going to clear up all that
26:30confusion. All right? That's what we're
26:31going to do. Okay? Mr. Jones, we've
26:34talked about this one. This is the Sandy
26:35Hook Vampires Exposed. We've talked
26:37about the second clip being from the
26:38Megyn Kelly interview, right?
26:40Correct? Yes. Okay. Now, there's a third
26:43clip that starts at the end where it
26:45shows the video that we were talking
26:46about. And you remember there was
26:48something you did called Final Statement
26:50and on Sandy Hook in November of 2016.
26:52Mr. Enoch? You are st- Maybe you don't
26:55intend to do it, Mark, but you're
26:56stating something that's not correct.
26:58You just said one is from the Megyn
27:00Kelly interview. You gave us three
27:01dates. None of them were the Megyn Kelly
27:03date. I'm sorry if I've given you a
27:05wrong date, but June 13th, 2017
27:07the Megyn Kelly broadcast.
27:09Okay, if I've misstated the date, that's
27:10my You can object to that. You can do
27:12whatever you want. You do agree that's
27:14the Megyn Kelly broadcast we were
27:15watching.
27:17That interview in the middle was from
27:18Megyn Kelly interview. He
27:20I saw part of that. Yeah, I mean that's
27:22There's so fast I
27:24Um I We'll we'll keep it slow. We'll
27:26keep going through it.
27:26Well, no, I watch Court TV and stuff.
27:27Nobody plays edited tapes. Okay. Thank
27:30you, Mr. Jones. This video here that
27:32we're looking at was something from
27:33Final Statement on Sandy Hook. You
27:35remember doing a video called Final
27:36Statement on Sandy Hook.
27:38And this video here is where you showed
27:40this footage and you made some comments
27:42about kids going in circles, right?
27:44Objection as to form. Uh if that's from
27:46it, I remember making comments.
27:47Okay. Mr. Jones, do you see that
27:50that ambulance right there?
27:52Yes. Okay.
27:55I want to play you a couple clips. Can
27:56you play me I want to play you something
27:58from July 5th, 2015. Can you play me the
28:01clip called Ambulances?
28:03These are two things that you and Mr.
28:04Dew
28:05came an hour and a half later and parked
28:06down the road. Why were the ambulances
28:08not even at the school? They were stuck
28:10at the firehouse.
28:12Mr. Jones, if you saw ambulances parked
28:14next to that building
28:16you knew it wasn't the school.
28:19Didn't you?
28:20Objection as to form. No, I didn't.
28:22And later I corrected before I was ever
28:24sued that no, that was one of the things
28:26that had been said that wasn't true, was
28:27that they were at the firehouse. But
28:29then there was other footage, too, from
28:31the school. So, it's all edited, so it's
28:32hard to respond
28:34to this. I want to respond to your
28:35questions. It's so edited. It's like
28:37two, three second clips sandwiched in
28:39with others and it looks like more than
28:40three broadcast.
28:43Well, that clip right there, that was
28:44just two things. Something you said,
28:46something Mr. Dew said. He out of
28:47context.
28:48on. Ambulances parked down the road.
28:50They didn't even go to the school.
28:52Then a year later, you showed your
28:54audience a video of a building with an
28:56ambulance to it and you told him it was
28:57the school.
28:58I talk 4 hours a day
29:00and I can't remember what I talked about
29:02sometimes a week ago.
29:04Um Sandy Hook has been in the aggregate
29:06less than 1/10 of 1% of what I cover.
29:09And
29:10I understand that you've been living
29:11this and and and and pouring over it
29:13constantly. I've
29:16I have done almost no preparation for
29:17this. I It's It's very gives me a
29:20headache. And I just I'm you're just
29:22showing me a bunch of edited tapes. What
29:24question are you answering?
29:26You're I You're asking me about a bunch
29:28of edit How does someone answer
29:31Mr. Jones, what question were you
29:32answering? If you put a bunch of pages
29:34in a blender with writing on them and
29:35blended it all up and then you ask me
29:36what's in the blender. I can't answer
29:38you a question with a bunch of blended
29:40words.
29:41I'm asking you if there's ambulances
29:43next to the building, you know it's not
29:46the school. Uh correct. No, that's not
29:49what I know. Okay.
29:51I want to play you a piece of video
29:53footage
29:54from the helicopter footage.
29:56Let's take a look at that really quick.
29:57Can we play the December 14th, 2012
30:01helicopter firehouse footage?
30:09Mr. Jones, there's no elementary age
30:11children in this line of people walking,
30:13is there?
30:16No. It's another clip we're talking
30:17about. Yeah, see see here's where
30:19they're walking in the circles? None of
30:21those people have their hands up, do
30:22they?
30:24But there is footage that I've seen that
30:26shows that. So, you're conflating two
30:27different things.
30:28Really? Cuz you were talking about in
30:29the footage on your show, you're saying
30:30there's actually a different piece of
30:32video footage From from my with children
30:34with their hands up being led in circles
30:36in and out of the From my memory, it's a
30:37live show, so the people in there are
30:39just throwing stuff up and
30:41many times it's not accurate.
30:43Sure. So, the video clip you were
30:44showing wasn't even of the school.
30:46Objection as to form. Correct.
30:48I
30:49I'm not sure about what video this is.
30:50It's so edited, but I wrongly have said
30:53in the past
30:55off of news reports that I was relying
30:57on that the children um
31:00were going around with their hands up at
31:03the school when it was the firehouse.
31:05And that's one of the main anomalies
31:06that turned out to not be true, and the
31:07reason I changed my mind about a lot of
31:09things. Sure.
31:11After 2017.
31:13Right?
31:14Well, I I've gone back when I've been
31:16asked about anomalies.
31:18And I've repeated those anomalies, and
31:20those tapes get edited. It's why I do
31:21not do interviews now and talk about the
31:24anomalies because those are edited.
31:25Right. Let's talk about the school
31:27itself. Um
31:29I want to show you two comments that you
31:30made on July 7th, 2015 and April 22nd,
31:332017. He played school was closed.
31:39We have the emails from city council
31:41back and forth in the school talking
31:42about it being shut down a year before.
31:46The school was closed till that year,
31:47and then the videos, it's all rotting
31:49and falling apart, nobody's even in it.
31:52First thing, you admit now there are no
31:55emails between city council and the
31:57school in which Sandy Hook was being
31:59shut down. That's not a real thing.
32:02Objection as to form.
32:04This is almost 7 years old, but I do
32:06believe that we wouldn't I mean,
32:08sometimes we're wrong about things, but
32:10there's always some news we're covering
32:12where where a witness or something. So,
32:14I I I I can't answer that because of
32:16just memory. Mr. Jones, you said it was
32:187 years ago?
32:196 years ago, whatever it was. You just
32:21That clip we just played you was April
32:2222nd, 2017.
32:25And it
32:26That was a year before you were sued,
32:27right?
32:28seconds long. Right, but it's not 7
32:30years ago, is it, Mr. Jones?
32:32You were saying that year before you
32:34were sued.
32:34I can't answer this. It's not in
32:35context. I don't know what you're
32:37showing me. Of course. You're so
32:38objection non-responsive.
32:41When you said in the videos it's all
32:43rotting and falling apart, we talked
32:44earlier you'd seen the interior videos
32:46of Sandy Hook. That's what something
32:47you'd seen before.
32:49Uh there's photos of this on the news
32:50like the mold and the rotting doors. And
32:52you said in the videos it's falling
32:53apart. You just said that on that video.
32:55Objection as to form. Right? I saw the
32:57edited video. I don't know what what
32:59it's from. I don't know the context.
33:00Sure, but you said in this video, in the
33:03videos the school is rotting and all
33:04falling apart, and nobody's even in it.
33:06Objection
33:07Right? That's what you said. Objection
33:08as to form.
33:10I have no idea what the context of this
33:12is. So, wait, there's a context in which
33:14saying in the videos the school was all
33:17rotting and falling apart, and nobody's
33:18even in not in it.
33:19Why are the videos all 30 seconds long?
33:21Because I'm focusing in on specific
33:22issues, Mr. Jones, and I want to know
33:24this claim you made that there is a
33:26video of the school where it's rotting
33:28and falling apart. That's all I care
33:30about right now. You saw such a video?
33:32Objection as to form. I have seen
33:35from memory news reports
33:37showing photos and images
33:39I mean, I guess this is my
33:41my memory fails, but I do remember
33:42seeing photos and I guess put to video
33:45of uh
33:46of the school being in disrepair
33:48in the reports. Let's play for you
33:50really quick. I want to show you a
33:52this video. The interior video of Sandy
33:55Hook that was taken that day. I want to
33:57show you a clip from that.
33:58And I want you to note that every time
34:01they're going to go There's a couple
34:02times they're going to go in the
34:02hallway. And there's a part of the
34:04hallway they go in and have to say
34:05redacted. Because that's where Ms.
34:07Hochsprung and Ms. Sherlach's blood is
34:08all over that hallway. But I want you to
34:10take a look at the hallways and the
34:11classrooms for me as we watch this
34:12video. Can you play interior of Sandy
34:14Hook?
34:42Mr. Jones, that school
34:45is not rotting, falling apart, or
34:47abandoned, is it? Objection as to form.
34:50And
34:51I assume that included any
34:52authentication disputes that I have
34:54about whether something is
34:55Under the Texas rules, every bit of
34:56evidence that is offered in the
34:57deposition is not There's no waiver of
34:59any objections. Correct.
35:01The video's not Is that school not
35:02rotting and falling apart? It's not
35:04abandoned, is it, Mr. Jones? I've never
35:06seen that video.
35:08I'm not I'm I'm perfectly confident you
35:09haven't. Absolutely, I knew that. But
35:11what I'm asking
35:12I don't even know that. seen it right
35:13now. What I just showed you, regardless
35:15of what school it was or if I just went
35:17and took it over at East Side
35:18Elementary, that school that you just
35:20saw on screen is not rotting, is not
35:22falling apart, and does not look to be
35:24abandoned, does it? It looks
35:25dilapidated.
35:27Okay, Mr. Jones.
35:29You've seen Mr. Z affidavit, correct?
35:32Mr. Z?
35:32Mr. Z, Fred Z, plaintiff's expert, who's
35:34sitting with us in the room today.
35:36You've seen his affidavit in this case?
35:38No. Okay, so you didn't know that there
35:40were 180 news articles from 2009 to 2011
35:45about Sandy Hook school with photos of
35:48the children doing things from multiple
35:49sources. That's not something you've
35:51ever known.
35:53I didn't know that that number. I mean,
35:55I've I've
35:56seen photos and things showing mold and
35:58the place dirty and messed up. It's what
35:59we're talking about.
36:00No, I'm asking you to that the school
36:02was open during those years, right?
36:03During 2009 to 2011, there's plenty of
36:06evidence the school was open, right?
36:08There's been controversy like on Google
36:10showing the deliveries and things like
36:11that. I mean, that was controversies we
36:13covered.
36:13Okay, so based on what you knew at the
36:15time,
36:17you entertained serious doubts about
36:19whether the school was open.
36:21Objection as to I mean, in other words,
36:22let me pull that back, Mr. Jones.
36:23I had serious doubts about Jussie
36:24Smollett. Sure. Okay, yeah, that's what
36:26I'm
36:27I was the first person to question Sure.
36:28And And I'm not I'm not going to try to
36:30pin you down on here. Let's Let's just
36:31be straight up and up front about it.
36:33You didn't know one way or the other.
36:35Right? Whether the school was open, you
36:36had you had some doubts. You didn't know
36:38one way or the other. You couldn't
36:39confirm it one way
36:39I know that so investigators
36:43who who were accredited school safety
36:45folks that that I thought were credible
36:48experts were the ones and professors and
36:50others that were in good standing were
36:52the ones that were really doing these
36:53investigations, and then I was
36:56in some cases taking what they said
36:58incorrectly. And I've And I've admitted
37:00to that. And with no cooperation, you
37:02just take what they said, and you
37:03trusted these guys, right? Well, I mean,
37:05it's it's I've seen one of the guys I
37:06called national television before or
37:09Columbine stuff and he was as a national
37:11safety expert, and so I thought pretty
37:13credible. Mr. Halbig, right? Yes. And he
37:15sent you something in the neighborhood
37:17of 10,000 4,000 emails?
37:20Uh it's a lot.
37:20Yeah. And And looking at those emails,
37:23taking a look at them, you wouldn't
37:24agree with me that that man is a raving
37:26lunatic?
37:27Um
37:30he seemed very credible and put together
37:32earlier on about I can't remember the
37:34exact numbers. He seemed to get agitated
37:36about 4 years ago, 3 years ago.
37:38Let's talk a little bit about EMTs,
37:40emergency medical technicians.
37:42And I want to show you a clip of
37:43something that you said
37:45in this to address Mr. Enoch cuz I think
37:47where this got messed up.
37:50There's a clip you did on June 13th,
37:512017, right before the Megan Kelly
37:53interview. In other words, the Megan
37:55Kelly interview is coming out, and let's
37:56just up front about it. It was edited,
37:58and you didn't think that was fair,
37:59right? I mean, it was pretty heavily
38:01edited.
38:02Megan Kelly
38:03it deceptively jump cut. It was complete
38:06I mean, your your videos are worse, but
38:08Sure. you've reached a new level, but
38:10Yeah, I get that. I get that. Yeah.
38:11Let's
38:12Let's take a look at something you said
38:14right before the Megan Kelly interview.
38:15Okay, and this is on June 13th, 2017. He
38:18played the clip called EMTs.
38:20Why didn't they let paramedics and EMTs
38:22in the building? 27 children were
38:24declared dead in 8 minutes.
38:26How'd you determine that? Objection as
38:28to form. I was reading someone else's
38:30report. Okay, hold on. Bring up the last
38:31frame again.
38:35What?
38:37Mr. Jones, I'm going to lean up here so
38:38I can kind of point a little bit.
38:40Do you see here where it says what Alex
38:42Jones really believes about Sandy Hook?
38:43Yes, I did. Do you see where it says
38:45among his questions?
38:48Do you see that? Yes. Do you see it says
38:49"In closing, Jones says"?
38:56I believe that's where I'm saying I
38:57think Sandy Hook happened.
39:00Right. What I'm asking you is when it's
39:02talking his questions, that's Zero Hedge
39:06reporting on your questions. And when it
39:09says "In closing, Jones says", that's
39:11Zero Hedge reporting on what you said.
39:14And now, in some sort of inception, this
39:17is you reporting on Zero Hedge reporting
39:20on what you said.
39:21it bigger? I can't read that.
39:23I cannot make that bigger, Mr. Jones,
39:25but I'm asking you to
39:26it? You want to approach it? Yeah, go
39:28ahead and approach it.
39:29eyes aren't bad, but my god, I
39:31I can't even see any of this.
39:37There's no way to like blow it up,
39:38maybe? I don't think I can blow that up.
39:40I have to say that I I can't read that.
39:42My heart My heart goes out to parents
39:44who lost children.
39:45Okay, that's great. As What I'm asking
39:47you, Mr. Jones, his. Do you see the word
39:49his?
39:50Um I
39:51Yes. Who does his refer to? I believe it
39:53refers to me. Okay. You can take a seat,
39:55Mr. Jones.
39:59So, how did you come to the conclusion
40:03that they never let paramedics or EMTs
40:04into the building?
40:06Objection as to form. I went off of the
40:09professors and all the so-called
40:11experts.
40:12Okay. And
40:15then they wouldn't release the rest of
40:16the reports. There were a bunch of
40:17lawsuits about the secrecy, which added
40:19to all of the
40:21And then as more of the stuff got
40:22released, then it it proved the official
40:24story. When do you think that the police
40:26reports on Sandy Hook were released?
40:27When do you think that happened? I know
40:29there was one report.
40:32You know, I don't I don't have all the
40:32dates, so I don't want to be inaccurate.
40:33I believe one one took over 5 years.
40:36Okay. Well, let me show you one that
40:37didn't take 5 years, okay? We're going
40:38to talk about one of those.
40:40And I want to mark for you right now
40:44as exhibit two.
40:50Well, we're actually going to do the
40:51videos after in sequence, if you Let's
40:53do it that way. I think that's going to
40:54be a lot easier.
40:57Mr. Jones,
40:59I have handed you a State of Connecticut
41:01Department of Public Safety
41:03Investigation Report.
41:05You see that at the top? Mhm. Okay. And
41:07you see kind of in the middle there,
41:09place of the interview, Newtown Police
41:11Department.
41:13Right in the middle of the interview
41:14report? Let me I need to read this. I
41:16Hey, in fact, you know what? Let's be
41:17fair to you about this. This is a is a
41:19long report, right? I mean, it's five,
41:21six pages. Let's let you read the whole
41:22thing, don't you think? That'd be fair?
41:24Sure. Okay. In fact, let's go off the
41:25record. We'll take a little break. Well,
41:26I'm not going to You can sit there and
41:28read that. Does that sound good? Well, I
41:30may need to take a I think during the
41:32break I'm going to go to the bathroom
41:33and stuff. Sure, you can go to the
41:34bathroom. I'm not going to stop you from
41:35that, Mr. Jones. I'm not.
41:37Your Your bodily functions are your own.
41:38Let's go ahead and go off the record.
41:40We're off the record at 12:42 p.m.
41:48We are back on the record at 12:58 p.m.
41:50Mr. Jones, before we went on a break, we
41:52were talking about the issue of whether
41:53there were EMTs allowed into the
41:54building, and I provided you with a
41:56couple of copies of some police reports.
41:59I've put in front of you exhibit two,
42:01the statement of Lieutenant Vangaili,
42:03correct? That's You've had a chance to
42:05read that.
42:07Vangaili.
42:09And I didn't read most of it. I didn't
42:11get to the second one. Okay. Well, let's
42:13look at exhibit two. You have exhibit
42:15two in your hand?
42:16Let's go to page five.
42:23Do you see the highlighted portion? Yes.
42:24I'm going to read that, and you're going
42:25to follow along with me, okay?
42:28I then walked into a room with Sergeant
42:30Cario. At first glance, it did not
42:32appear there were any casualties. To the
42:34left of the room as you walk in, there
42:36was a bathroom in the corner. There was
42:38a massive pileup of bodies in this room.
42:40At this time, I did not know it was a
42:42bathroom, and I wondered how the suspect
42:44had the time to kill that many people
42:46and stack them in the corner of the
42:47room.
42:48Sergeant Cario stated he was an EMT or
42:51maybe a paramedic, and that he had to
42:52check to see if anyone in the pile might
42:54have survived may have survived.
42:56I agreed as the bodies were stacked two
42:58and three high, and that some of the
42:59children at the bottom who were able to
43:01cram in first may have escaped bullets.
43:04He began to check for life signs,
43:05wounds, and attempt to find a pulse. The
43:07victims on the top of the pile redacted,
43:10and many of the bodies had injuries that
43:12were obviously fatal. It appeared as
43:14though the teach as if the teachers in
43:15the room, immediately upon hearing
43:17gunshots, began to pack children into
43:18the bathroom. The children that were
43:20sitting on the floor of the bathroom
43:21were packed in like sardines. One little
43:24girl was sitting crouched in between the
43:25toilet seat in the back corner of the
43:27room. I thought she may have had the
43:28best chance for survival. As Sergeant
43:31Cario entered As Sergeant Cario got to
43:32the last bodies, it was clear that no
43:35one had survived.
43:37You've never heard of Sergeant Cario,
43:38have you?
43:42Um
43:43I haven't. And you didn't know what he
43:45did in the building that day.
43:48Um
43:50Objection as to form but the time.
43:53You can answer.
43:55You didn't know what he did in the
43:56building that day.
44:02Correct, Mr. Jones?
44:04Uh it's again over 7 years. I don't
44:05remember a lot of this. Okay. So, either
44:07you didn't know what he did in the
44:09building or you did know what he did in
44:11the building. One of those two things
44:12has to be true, right?
44:13Um I think I do know now. Sure. Uh it's
44:16just there's so much and it all becomes
44:18a big haze. So, we can agree that when
44:202017, when you raised the question why
44:23were no paramedics let in the building,
44:25you either did know what Sergeant Cario
44:27did or you didn't know what Sergeant
44:28Cario did. One of those two things has
44:30to be true, obviously, right? Objection
44:32as to form.
44:32I
44:35Tape was edited. I don't even know where
44:39Okay, Mr. Jones.
44:40Let's look at exhibit three.
44:42You want to pull exhibit three for me?
44:48Can you go to the final page? Just flip
44:50it onto the back.
44:54Onto the back.
44:57Do you see at the very bottom of the
44:58page, very bottom left corner, it says
45:00Sergeant William M. Cario?
45:02Okay. I'm going to read the highlighted
45:03part to you.
45:05Paramedic Matt Casavechia approached me.
45:07I have known Casavechia for many years
45:09and recognized him as the head of EMS
45:11for Danbury Hospital. Casavechia asked
45:14how long it would be until he could get
45:15into the building. I told him the
45:16building was not yet secured, that all
45:18the injured were out, and that numerous
45:20dead persons remained in the school.
45:22Casavechia said, "You know I've got to
45:24get into that building." I realized at
45:26some point those victims presumed dead
45:28would have to be officially pronounced
45:29dead. We also needed to impact the
45:31fewest number of EMS personnel, that we
45:33needed to preserve the integrity of the
45:34scene. Looking around, I recognized two
45:37other senior paramedics that I believe
45:38had the experience and training to
45:40handle the situation tactically. I told
45:42Casavechia I would bring myself,
45:44Paramedic Bernie Meehan, Paramedic
45:47Paramedic John Reed into the front of
45:48the school, which was secured by that
45:50point. They were told to bring minimal
45:52equipment. As we walked to the school, I
45:54tried to prepare them for what they were
45:55about to see. I told them the number of
45:57the victims and the nature of the
45:59wounds. I told Casavechia, "This will be
46:01the worst day of your life."
46:05You have never heard of Matt Casavechia,
46:10Bernie Meehan, or John Reed, have you,
46:11Mr. Jones?
46:19I just read their names.
46:21Prior to me putting that sheet of paper
46:23in front of you, you've never heard of
46:24those gentlemen, have you?
46:26I can't say that.
46:27I There's too much too much information.
46:30In fact, it's possible when you said
46:31that paramedics weren't let into the
46:33building, you knew those three
46:34gentlemen, and you knew they had been in
46:36the building. That's possible.
46:37Sure?
46:38I
46:39I I I wouldn't consciously do that.
46:44If those reports that are right there,
46:46if those reports were available and
46:47online and had been discussed by
46:48InfoWars as early as 2013, if that's
46:51something that was public,
46:53you would agree with me that saying no
46:54paramedics went into the building is
46:56reckless, correct? No, I would not.
46:59I I just don't know what you're
47:03talking about. I have a 3-second video
47:05on this.
47:07You You You're not going to dispute with
47:09me that you've repeatedly said on your
47:11television show or your web broadcast
47:15that paramedics weren't allowed in the
47:16building. You've said that over and over
47:18and over, right, Mr. Jones?
47:20Objection as to form.
47:22Right? Um it's it's it's edited the way
47:25what you've shown me, so I can't
47:27comment.
47:27talking about what I what was on the
47:28video. I'm not talking about that.
47:30Ignore what you just saw on the video.
47:32I'm asking you, me and you right now,
47:34you've said repeatedly on your web show
47:38paramedics weren't allowed inside of
47:39Sandy Hook. You've said that. I
47:41I've covered other people's reports
47:43saying that. Okay. And you did nothing
47:45to confirm those reports.
47:47Literally nothing. I went out and I I
47:49covered news that was being covered.
47:51How did you confirm the reports that you
47:52were given that paramedics weren't
47:54allowed in the building? How did you
47:55confirm
47:55We generally go through the reports, and
47:57then we look at what they link to.
48:00And I don't have all the dates, but one
48:01report took over 5 years, another 3
48:03years, another a year.
48:05Uh and so it it's all I mean, again,
48:08this has not been a large part of what
48:10I've covered. Sandy Hook has been a very
48:12Not even 1/10 of 1% of what we cover.
48:15And I know that
48:17that that that that you think that
48:18that's the case, but that's that's not
48:19the case. Objection to the
48:20non-responsive non-responsive portion.
48:25Hearing that your murdered child
48:28received no medical attention,
48:31that's obviously distressing.
48:34Objection as to form.
48:36Right, Mr. Jones?
48:42Can you Let's do it this way. Um
48:44withdraw the question. Can you imagine
48:45me a universe where hearing that your
48:47murdered child received no medical
48:50attention
48:52is not distressing?
48:53Objection as to form.
48:58I think there were even lawsuits by the
48:59parents saying things weren't done
49:00right.
49:02So, I'm I mean, that's that's a terrible
49:03thing. That's not my question though, is
49:05it, Mr. Jones?
49:06Is it? That's not my question. So, my
49:08question is if your murdered murdered
49:10child received no medical care, that's
49:13distressing. Objection as to form. It is
49:16distressing. That's why I was distressed
49:18just in general hearing those reports.
49:24Wait, when you say you were distressed
49:25hearing those reports, what reports are
49:26you talking about?
49:28What reports? The there was I mean,
49:30again, this was How was it? 7 years ago?
49:32You know this is the one day you were to
49:34come down here and testify about Sandy
49:35Hook. And And are you going to tell me
49:37you haven't done anything to try to
49:39figure out what happened in those 7
49:40years?
49:41Objection is to form. Is that what
49:43you're saying? You walked in here
49:43totally unprepared? Just winging it
49:45today? Objection is to form. I don't
49:47know how to respond to that. Do you have
49:49the respect enough for these parents in
49:50this lawsuit to actually go back and try
49:52to find out what happened?
49:54Did you do that? Objection is to form.
49:59I covered it when it first happened. And
50:01you can look at six shows a week, three
50:03or four hours a day.
50:05And then find spots and and edit them
50:07and things. It's the media's claim that
50:09my live is about Sandy Hook and that and
50:12that it it's not even one of the major
50:14issues I've ever covered.
50:15And so you're asking me to do the
50:16impossible to go back to through a whole
50:18compendium
50:20and and then and then give some
50:23quantifiable statement to you off
50:253-second edited videos. It's just It
50:27does It's like
50:29It's It's square pegs in round holes.
50:31Objection is to non-responsive portion.
50:34I want to ask you about death
50:35certificates.
50:36Can I want to play you a clip of
50:38something you and Mr. Dew said February
50:4012th, 2015 and November 18th, 2016. Can
50:44you play sealing death certificates for
50:45me?
50:50Yes, they're sealing the death
50:51certificates and everything. They made
50:53it a felony to release uh birth
50:55certificates or death certificate
50:57information.
50:58What kind of What kind of country is
50:59that where you can't release birth
51:01certificate and death certificate
51:02information?
51:04What did you do to confirm that?
51:06Objection is to form.
51:08Again, these are highly edited spliced
51:10tapes. The audio's been altered. I I
51:12don't even know what context this is in.
51:15It's in the context of Sandy Hook death
51:17certificates are sealed and you said
51:18that. What did you do to confirm it, Mr.
51:20Jones? Objection is to form. It mistakes
51:23the evidence. I'm not You don't have to
51:24do speaking objections, Mr. Barnes. This
51:25is one of the worst depositions I've
51:27ever witnessed. That's fine. You can
51:28make your objections.
51:29That's fair enough. Go Go make all the
51:31objections you want, but make them in
51:32accordance with the Texas rules, which
51:34you agreed to be bound with before you
51:35started this deposition.
51:37Mr. Jones,
51:39sealing of death certificates, the fact
51:40that they were sealed, something you and
51:41Mr. Dew both said, how did you confirm
51:43that? Objection is to form. I I don't
51:46want to
51:48answer these things incorrectly. So my
51:50memory
51:51is I remember that they were saying it
51:53was the most sealed case ever and that
51:55was in the news that there were all
51:56these lawsuits about them sealing
51:57things.
51:58And that the records and the and the the
52:00redacted police reports I mean this
52:02report you gave me is almost all blacked
52:03out. This is what people were talking
52:05about. And so I can't accurately answer
52:09off of edited tapes.
52:11And I've never seen anything like that.
52:13So I'm trying to answer your questions.
52:15I
52:15You ever try to order a death
52:16certificate?
52:18They're $20. Anybody can get any one of
52:19them. Did you ever try?
52:25As I've told you, we went off news
52:27reports and other people that were
52:28investigating. We We did not
52:30ourselves in investigate
52:33Sandy Hook. Thank you, Mr. Jones.
52:36No, that's for the record.
52:39I want to talk to you about something
52:40you said about porta-potties.
52:43You know what I'm talking about when I
52:43talk about porta-potties, right?
52:46Porta-potties showed up to Sandy Hook.
52:48Um Porta-potties?
52:50Yeah, you you know what I'm talking
52:51about when I say that allegation. When
52:52you talk when you talked about on your
52:54show porta-potties showing up to Sandy
52:56Hook. You remember talking about
52:57porta-potties? I do remember talking
52:58about them. Okay. And you remember how
53:00your point was they showed up within an
53:01hour for a big media event showed that
53:03it was clearly something's going on cuz
53:05they showed up way too quick.
53:07Objection is to form. Correct? I was
53:09reporting on what other people have
53:10reported.
53:11Okay. Let me play you a clip of
53:12something that you said on July 7th,
53:152015 and April 22nd, 2017. Can you play
53:19porta-potties for me?
53:22Okay. They had porta-potties being
53:23delivered within an hour and a half. And
53:25they had porta-potties being delivered
53:26an hour after it happened before the big
53:28media event.
53:29That's consistent with what we were just
53:30talking about, right?
53:32Porta-potties showing up within an hour
53:33before the big media event. Objection is
53:35to form.
53:37Correct, Mr. Jones?
53:38Yes, I mean I did talk about that. It's
53:40another edited tape. I don't know the
53:42context.
53:42Sure.
53:43Mr. Jones, I'm going to hand you a copy
53:45of what I have marked as exhibit four.
53:51You ever seen that before?
53:58I don't remember.
53:59You're not sure if you've seen this
54:00before.
54:01No. Okay. You'll see up at the top it
54:03has a timestamp 12:14:12.
54:08Yes. You know that's the date of Sandy
54:09Hook, right?
54:12I don't know. You don't know that?
54:14What is that the date? It is. Okay.
54:17It is, Mr. Jones.
54:18Um we had talked earlier about the dash
54:20cam videos in the official report.
54:23And if there's police cars sitting at
54:25the front of Sandy Hook with their dash
54:26cams on,
54:27be a pretty simple matter just go in the
54:29video and scroll through and see when
54:30various stuffs arrives. That's something
54:32you can do, right?
54:34I would imagine not. Yeah, InfoWars
54:36didn't do that, did they?
54:40Because if I can't say that. I I don't
54:42know what we did over there.
54:43Okay. Well, if InfoWars did do that,
54:45they would have come across this picture
54:47of porta-potties showing up at 1:30
54:50p.m., right?
54:52That's what that time is right there?
54:54Are you familiar with military time?
54:55Mhm. Okay. And that's 1:30, right? Mhm.
54:58Right. So that's not an hour after the
55:00shooting, is it, Mr. Jones?
55:03Correct?
55:05It's pretty darn soon after. Is it?
55:08Is it maybe more like 4 hours after?
55:12Again, I was going off of what I
55:14believed to be and then he was a
55:15credentialed national school safety
55:17person who'd been on national television
55:19programs as an expert. I was going off
55:21of what Hal Big and others were saying.
55:22You did no confirmation
55:24whatsoever of Mr. Hal Big's statements
55:27about the porta-potties, did you?
55:28I don't believe these videos were
55:29released for a long time.
55:31If they were, if those videos were
55:33released in 2013, it certainly would
55:36have been reckless to say the
55:38porta-potties arrived in an hour in
55:392017, wouldn't it, Mr. Jones? Objection
55:42is to form.
55:44I just I don't know how to respond to
55:46the fact that
55:48um
55:53that how do we know more weren't
55:54arriving later and that there was other
55:56porta-potties being delivered? I'm not
55:57saying that's what happened. I You just
55:58show me one still off something and tell
56:00me what the
56:02what should
56:02Tell me to answer questions.
56:04Yeah, so one thing you could do is go
56:06back into the dash cam video and scroll
56:08through and find out if something did
56:09arrive earlier. That's something you
56:10could do, right? Objection is to form.
56:14It's not hidden information, right?
56:16Objection is to form.
56:21Correct?
56:22I guess correct. Okay. Thank you, Mr.
56:24Jones.
56:29Mr. Jones,
56:30I've noticed with a lot of these answers
56:32you've said, "Well, I'm just going off
56:33of Mr. Hal Big said."
56:35So what I want to know is when you
56:36talked earlier about you did deep
56:38research, what was that? What deep
56:40research did you do?
56:42Well, I I mean I did look at the news
56:44articles saying they were being very
56:45secretive about the case. A lot of
56:46things were sealed. It was unusual. Uh
56:48there were lawsuits involved with that
56:50and I I did do uh you know, research on
56:53Bloomberg putting out an email
56:55the day before, things like that saying
56:57get ready, there's going to be a big
56:58event. And
57:00or you know, just get our people on the
57:01ground for mass shootings or whatever.
57:03And and and just and just the way the
57:04media made a spectacle out of it right
57:05away is what is what really made me
57:08question cuz I'd seen that like with
57:10WMDs or babies in the incubators that
57:12didn't happen. I I just saw the media so
57:15on it, so ready. And I thought that
57:17added credibility to it. Okay. Um I'm
57:20glad you brought up the Bloomberg thing.
57:21I remember um there's a couple episodes
57:24we've talked about this Bloomberg email.
57:26And you said to your audience that there
57:28was an email that came out in the
57:30lawsuit
57:31where Bloomberg told his people get
57:34ready in the next 24 hours to capitalize
57:37on a mass shooting.
57:39That didn't happen. That's not a real
57:40email, is it? I
57:42I mean I don't think it's exactly that,
57:44but there's there's one similar to that.
57:45Yeah, I mean what you said
57:48is not real. Objection is to Bloomberg
57:50never told his people get ready in the
57:52next 24 hours to capitalize on a mass
57:55shooting. That did not happen. Objection
57:57is to form. I believe his gun
57:58organization did.
58:01Okay, Mr. Jones. I'm sorry, could you
58:02repeat the answer? I believe his
58:04anti-gun organization said get ready,
58:06get ready to move quick, you know.
58:09I don't have it in front of me. It's
58:10from years ago.
58:12Let's
58:14Let's
58:16I want to ask you about photos of the
58:17children. So I'm going to play a a video
58:19clip about something you said about
58:20photos of the children.
58:22This is something you said on September
58:2325th, 2014. Can you play photos of
58:26children?
58:27And then photos of kids that are still
58:29alive they said died. I mean they think
58:31we're so dumb that it's it's it's really
58:33hidden in plain view.
58:36Mr. Jones, you can admit that that
58:37statement was absolute nonsense. There
58:40are not photos of children who died who
58:42are actually still alive. That's not a
58:44That is an out of context clip. I I
58:46can't even respond to something like
58:47that. You said it though, didn't you? I
58:49don't know what it's in context to. Is
58:50there a good context to that, Mr. Jones?
58:52People's children who are dead, there's
58:54actually photos of them still alive. Can
58:56you give me the good context?
58:57There's no way.
59:01There's no way to respond to to to I
59:03don't know what it is.
59:06I know what it is. It's a video of you
59:07saying that there are photos of children
59:09who died who are still alive. And I'm
59:11asking you, that's absolute nonsense,
59:14isn't it, Mr. Jones? Objection is to
59:16form. No, it's No, it's not. I don't
59:18know the context of that video. Okay.
59:20Okay? There There There have been cases
59:23where the Associated Press, major
59:24groups, ran pictures
59:26of Sandy Hook children
59:28in Pakistan after a mass bombing and in
59:31the lineup of dead kid parents about
59:33their dead kids, I believe the bombing
59:34happened in Pakistan.
59:36Bizarrely, they've got a Sandy Hook kid
59:38in there, admitted. Uh and and then
59:41we've seen other cases. It's it's very
59:42bizarre and that's where people call in
59:44and ask and then I respond to I don't
59:47know if that's even that clip because
59:49it's a couple seconds long. Yeah, well,
59:51clearly it's not the kid in Pakistan
59:53because that's not a kid who's still
59:54alive, right?
59:56When when Noah Pozner's picture appeared
59:58in Pakistan, that's not Noah Pozner
1:00:00still alive, right? Objection as to I
1:00:02wasn't saying that Noah Pozner is still
1:00:04alive.
1:00:04Okay.
1:00:05It was widely reported during your
1:00:07divorce that your attorney said to the
1:00:09judge that you're playing a character,
1:00:11that you're a performance artist. So, I
1:00:14want to ask you, I want to know, when
1:00:15you were making these claims about Sandy
1:00:17Hook, were you being a journalist or was
1:00:19this all performance art? Objection as
1:00:21to the form.
1:00:23When I say things on air, I believe it.
1:00:25I had when I'm a radio talk show host,
1:00:28that was my ex-wife trying to enter into
1:00:31evidence
1:00:32like 10 years ago me in a Joker outfit
1:00:34doing a satire piece
1:00:37about chemicals in the water and she was
1:00:39trying to say that I was crazy and was
1:00:41really the Joker and we said, "No, when
1:00:43Jack Nicholson plays the Joker, your
1:00:45honor, he's not really the Joker, he's
1:00:47playing a part."
1:00:48And then the media ran with it saying
1:00:50that I said that what I regularly do on
1:00:52air
1:00:53is is is entertainment.
1:00:56So, it's very clear when I'm being
1:00:57serious on air and it's very clear
1:01:00if I'm wearing a Gorn mask, you know,
1:01:01and and and reenacting Star Trek as a
1:01:03joke that that I'm that I'm not
1:01:05literally believing that Gorn is a real
1:01:07lizard creature.
1:01:09I was making fun of the media in that
1:01:10case for saying that
1:01:12you know, so that I believe the
1:01:13government's run by lizards, that's
1:01:14David Icke on me.
1:01:15And so, I wore a lizard mask. They also
1:01:17tried to introduce that and we explained
1:01:19that no, your honor, the judge agreed,
1:01:20yes, he he's we understand satire versus
1:01:23reality. So,
1:01:24no, I was
1:01:26I I believe what I say on air
1:01:29and and and now when I cover what
1:01:31somebody else is covering or I war game
1:01:33and look at both sides of something,
1:01:34that doesn't mean that I believe even
1:01:35both sides of what I'm covering, it
1:01:37means I'm looking at the different
1:01:38angles and then that's taken out of
1:01:40context. Well, what I'm getting at is
1:01:42this stuff we're looking at today, kids
1:01:43going in circles, schools closed,
1:01:46emails, EMTs not in the building, porta
1:01:48potties, these aren't comedy skits, this
1:01:50is journalism. Yes, well, this is
1:01:52punditry because I wear a journalist
1:01:55hat, punditry hat, satire hat,
1:01:59just just reading news, just you know,
1:02:01just I mean, just being a news reader. I
1:02:04mean, I do that as well. So, I so I do a
1:02:06lot of things.
1:02:08But, when I was covering Sandy Hook, I
1:02:09was genuinely trying to get at the truth
1:02:11of it.
1:02:13At InfoWars, it was known
1:02:16from the very start
1:02:18that parents were being harassed by
1:02:20believers in the Sandy Hook conspiracy.
1:02:22You agree to that, right?
1:02:24Well, you would also at least agree that
1:02:26because of the potential for that
1:02:27harassment, you would agree with me that
1:02:30InfoWars needed to treat Sandy Hook
1:02:32allegations with extreme caution given
1:02:36it was a traumatic event. You'd agree
1:02:37with that?
1:02:41I mean, I think it's a it's an American
1:02:43birthright and it's important to when
1:02:45you have big events, whether they're
1:02:46wars or WMDs or mass shootings that I
1:02:50mean, I
1:02:51think the right to question is is is is
1:02:53an absolute right. Just like the Jussie
1:02:55Smollett situation, I took a risk saying
1:02:57I thought that was fake.
1:02:59I was the first person to question it
1:03:00and I was proven right.
1:03:03So, I just really I questioned Jussie
1:03:06Smollett from a position of looking at
1:03:08the facts and if I'd have been proven
1:03:10wrong, then I would have
1:03:12apologized for it. I mean, that's that's
1:03:14what I do.
1:03:15But, with Sandy Hook, not Jussie
1:03:16Smollett, Sandy Hook, you agree with me,
1:03:19you were under an obligation, InfoWars,
1:03:21you needed to treat this with extreme
1:03:25caution.
1:03:26Agreed or not agreed?
1:03:28Well, I mean, we always
1:03:31cover things from a perspective of of
1:03:32caution. We were covering other people's
1:03:34reports and also questioning the
1:03:36historical fact that
1:03:38you know, things like Operation
1:03:39Northwoods, government plan to stage
1:03:41mass shootings in the US.
1:03:43Kennedy said no to the plan, but the
1:03:44chairman of the Joint Chiefs had green
1:03:46lighted it. And and and so, because of
1:03:48things like that, we are forced to then
1:03:50question these events and I and I think
1:03:52that's you know, it's it's it's a
1:03:54it's just part of the process in this
1:03:56country. Okay. So,
1:03:58that's part of the process and to be
1:04:00fair to you, InfoWars didn't know from
1:04:02the very start that Sandy Hook parents
1:04:03were being harassed.
1:04:06I know, we didn't I know from the very
1:04:08start. Can you
1:04:09I want to play something I want to play
1:04:11a clip from an InfoWars episode on
1:04:13January 18th, 2013. Okay.
1:04:16Can you play the clip extreme caution?
1:04:20A lot of people on YouTube have handled
1:04:23it in a rather insensitive way. Of
1:04:25course, we've had reports about them
1:04:27harassing some of the people who were
1:04:29involved and basically, it doesn't do us
1:04:31any favors. So,
1:04:33we need to treat it obviously with
1:04:35extreme caution because it's a very
1:04:37traumatic event.
1:04:39That clip is Mr. Paul Watson who is your
1:04:42chief reporter at InfoWars, right? He is
1:04:46now. And he frequently warned you about
1:04:49what you were saying about Sandy Hook.
1:04:54We had discussions about it, yes, but
1:04:56that's we're not running a cult. There
1:04:58was there was different views.
1:05:00For instance, one of the gentlemen in
1:05:01the room with us right now, Rob Dew,
1:05:03Mr. Watson disagreed with Mr. Dew, said
1:05:05Mr. Dew is wrong
1:05:07and you need to stop this, Mr. Jones. Is
1:05:08that what what's that what Mr. Watson
1:05:09told you?
1:05:14Correct? I mean, there were external and
1:05:17internal debates as you just saw.
1:05:19We've looked at I think it's 90-some
1:05:21percent of my reporting is saying that
1:05:23it happened. Even going back, we would I
1:05:25don't do this anymore because people can
1:05:27edit stuff.
1:05:28But, we would go on air and say real
1:05:30shootings happened, you know, black
1:05:31trench coat, on the drugs, all the
1:05:33regular things we see in mass shootings.
1:05:35And then we would have the other side of
1:05:37that because the internet didn't believe
1:05:38it happened.
1:05:40Mr. Watson was right, Mr. Dew was wrong.
1:05:44Correct?
1:05:48It's not in context, I can't answer
1:05:49that.
1:05:50Can I want to play you some comments you
1:05:52made about Mr. Watson.
1:05:53I'm going to show you something you said
1:05:54about Mr. Watson on February 12th, 2015
1:05:58and on April 20th, 2018,
1:06:02day after you were sued.
1:06:03Can you play the clip for me?
1:06:05Jones comments on Mr. Watson.
1:06:09Paul Watson thinks the official story of
1:06:11Sandy Hook is true. He's my chief
1:06:13reporter.
1:06:15And if Paul Watson was like threatened
1:06:16to quit and I wasn't even saying it
1:06:18didn't happen, I was just devil's
1:06:19advocate, he said, "It's all bull, Alex,
1:06:20don't do it, get out of it." His
1:06:22instincts are always right.
1:06:25So, your chief reporter was right when
1:06:26he was warning you not to say it was
1:06:28phony or there were crisis actors.
1:06:30He was not the chief reporter then. When
1:06:33did he become chief reporter? About 5
1:06:34years ago, about 6 about 5 years ago.
1:06:375 years ago,
1:06:392014?
1:06:43I'd have to look it up.
1:06:46So, at the time you were saying that
1:06:47clip in 2015,
1:06:49when you said he's my chief reporter and
1:06:51he that's when he became your chief
1:06:52reporter. And I said and I said his
1:06:54instincts are right. So, you played
1:06:55finally one clip where I'm saying it
1:06:57happened instead of edited clips. Well,
1:06:58no, I was actually talking about the one
1:07:00before in February 12th, 2015, you
1:07:02called him your chief reporter. I I
1:07:03think I said by then he was.
1:07:09Over the years,
1:07:12there's been some tension between you
1:07:13and the parents
1:07:15after they started complaining about
1:07:17what you were doing. Correct?
1:07:26Legal objection, not a speaking
1:07:27objection, a legal. What's your legal
1:07:28basis for that one? Okay, but the
1:07:30explain the legal, it's it's time, date,
1:07:32context, definitions. Those aren't legal
1:07:35objections, Mr. Barnes.
1:07:36Yes, they are because if the form of the
1:07:38objection is misleading or leading in
1:07:40the nature in which it I'm allowed to
1:07:42lead the witness, he's adverse to me.
1:07:44You are, but if I say if I don't give
1:07:45you context of time and date. Okay, no,
1:07:47it's fine. You're not an objection, I
1:07:49understand. I don't need a basis.
1:07:52It's a basic objection. It's it's learn
1:07:54101 on how to ask questions. I mean,
1:07:55come on. It it would be easier for you
1:07:58and for everybody if it was here's the
1:08:00You got a got a rule of evidence for me,
1:08:01maybe?
1:08:02Oh, sure, it's give
1:08:04it's give spec spec
1:08:06give specificity as to both date and
1:08:08time so the person can answer the
1:08:09question meaningfully. When you say So,
1:08:12is that 403?
1:08:13That could be that could be Well, if
1:08:15we're going to talk about that's not
1:08:16form.
1:08:17That's that's not you don't have to
1:08:18object to that, it's preserved, Mr.
1:08:19Barnes.
1:08:20Let's talk about
1:08:22this question.
1:08:24Over the years, there started to develop
1:08:27tension between you and the Sandy Hook
1:08:29parents after they started complaining
1:08:31about what you were doing. Correct?
1:08:33Okay, no tension.
1:08:35You will admit
1:08:37I mean, you've done mocking imitations
1:08:40of Sandy Hook parents crying. Correct?
1:08:42No.
1:08:44I want to play you a video clip, too,
1:08:46from September 24th, 2014 and November
1:08:4911th, 2016. Can we play the video clip
1:08:52called crying?
1:08:55And you've got parents laughing
1:08:58and they walk over to the camera.
1:09:01Not just one, but a bunch of parents
1:09:03doing this. Then we see footage of one
1:09:06of the reported fathers of the victims,
1:09:08Robbie Parker, doing classic
1:09:11acting training where he's laughing and
1:09:13joking and they say, "Hey, we're live."
1:09:14He goes, "Oh."
1:09:17And maybe that's real. I'm sure it is.
1:09:24You realize now
1:09:26you were mocking the difficult emotional
1:09:28reactions of people who probably lost
1:09:31their
1:09:32No, I was not mocking. I was showing
1:09:33what people were questioning.
1:09:35It was not to mock the parents. It was
1:09:36showing why people were questioning.
1:09:39It's you that is projecting mocking onto
1:09:41it. I was showing what he did.
1:09:58When you did this stuff about the crying
1:10:01and your imitations, this was all in
1:10:03service of an argument that some of
1:10:05these parents were actors, right?
1:10:10No.
1:10:11Can you play me I want to play you a
1:10:13clip from March 14th, 2014?
1:10:17Can you play me the clip called actors?
1:10:22I've looked at it and undoubtedly
1:10:24there's a cover-up, there's actors,
1:10:26they're manipulating, they've been
1:10:27caught lying, and they were pre-planning
1:10:29before it and rolled out with it.
1:10:31We've got people clearly coming up and
1:10:33and and laughing and then doing the fake
1:10:34crying. We've clearly got people where
1:10:37it's actors playing different parts of
1:10:38different people.
1:10:40Who were the actors playing the
1:10:41different What What were the different
1:10:43people were the same actor were playing
1:10:44the different parts? I'd have to see the
1:10:45context. But that was something you
1:10:47believed that was true. Of an edited
1:10:49tape, I don't know what the context is.
1:10:51Well, I mean, look, Mr. Jones, we can
1:10:52see you say actors enough time that you
1:10:54you and I can both admit You can just
1:10:56admit right now there have been multiple
1:10:58repeated times where you have accused
1:11:00some of the parents being actors.
1:11:03Right? I know. I never I I covered the
1:11:06internet talking about how people look
1:11:08like actors. This is edited. I can't
1:11:10comment on it. Okay.
1:11:12So, let me let me understand this, Mr.
1:11:13Jones. Unless we play you a full 4-hour
1:11:16InfoWars clip, you just can't answer
1:11:17questions today, can you? It's not a
1:11:184-hour clip. These were maybe
1:11:20minute-long clips.
1:11:22Not 5 second, 2 second edited.
1:11:24tell your audience there, we've clearly
1:11:26got people where it's actors playing
1:11:29different parts of different people. So,
1:11:30you were pretty certain, weren't you?
1:11:35I
1:11:36have because of all the staged things
1:11:39we've seen that there have been points
1:11:40in my mind where I I've gone back and
1:11:43forth
1:11:44in the earlier years.
1:11:47You're really thinking maybe the whole
1:11:48thing has been staged.
1:11:50And and then later I realized it was
1:11:51just mainly media hyping it and then
1:11:53trying to choreograph and
1:11:55you know, turning it into a political
1:11:57situation after the case. Okay. Well,
1:11:59regardless of whatever that was, this
1:12:01thing we just saw you say about actors,
1:12:04the mocking imitations of crying, this
1:12:06is exactly the stuff that Paul Paul
1:12:09Joseph Watson was warning you about,
1:12:11correct? No, he was he was saying that
1:12:15uh
1:12:16some of the people that were out there
1:12:18putting stuff out like
1:12:20like Fetzer and others in that were were
1:12:22were were not good. Yeah, he's he was
1:12:24really opposed to the crisis actor
1:12:26angle, correct?
1:12:31And if I if I get Let's redraw. If I get
1:12:33if I get Paul Watson here to testify,
1:12:34he's going to tell me he never believed
1:12:36in the crisis actor thing and thought it
1:12:37was a bad idea to talk about crisis
1:12:39actors. That's what he's going to say,
1:12:40isn't he?
1:12:42Yeah, because I mean, he legitimately is
1:12:45his own person and we don't tell people
1:12:47what to say or what to do. I respect him
1:12:48and we have different points of view.
1:12:50We've had debates about Sandy Hook on
1:12:52air. You have different views about
1:12:53journalistic ethics, too.
1:12:56Well, I mean, when when there's a big
1:12:58internet debate that's going on
1:13:00uh and then we and then we cover that
1:13:01debate and I give my opinion on it,
1:13:03that's that's that's what happens. Okay.
1:13:07As time went on
1:13:09starting into 2015,
1:13:11you learned that a Sandy Hook parent
1:13:14named Leonard Pozner was behind a group
1:13:17called Honor Network.
1:13:20Correct? That was fighting online abuse
1:13:21of Sandy Hook victims.
1:13:22I I did, I think.
1:13:24And when you learned that
1:13:26and when Honor complained to YouTube in
1:13:282015
1:13:29you told your viewers that Honor was run
1:13:32by Mr. Pozner.
1:13:34You showed addresses being used by Mr.
1:13:37Pozner and you said he needed to be
1:13:39investigated in Florida. Didn't you say
1:13:41that?
1:13:44No. Okay, let's play a clip here. I'm
1:13:46going to show you something that you and
1:13:47Mr. Dew were talking about on February
1:13:4912th, 2015.
1:13:51Can you play addresses for me?
1:13:54He's getting all kinds of grief from Mr.
1:13:56Pozner.
1:13:57Anything that comes out social media
1:13:59shut down due to Sandy Hook false
1:14:01copyrights. What's interesting is they
1:14:04list the address for the Honor Network
1:14:05in a Boca Raton, Florida. You look up
1:14:08the address on that which says 908 North
1:14:10Dixie Highway. It is the address for a
1:14:12women's clothing store
1:14:14and a UPS U-Haul rental place. U-Haul
1:14:18neighborhood dealer. So, here here's the
1:14:21908 North Dixie Highway. There is no
1:14:23suite, but it's got two different
1:14:24buildings listed at that address. One is
1:14:26a
1:14:27JJ shop women's clothing store and you
1:14:30go to the other one, same address,
1:14:31U-Haul neighborhood dealer. Now, you go
1:14:33to their uh about Honor Network.
1:14:37I go to this one right here, guys. You
1:14:38can leave the camera right there. Honor
1:14:39Network right there.
1:14:41Uh it lists They say they're in
1:14:42Connecticut. Says they're in Newtown,
1:14:43Connecticut, but you go to that address,
1:14:45it's a U-Haul UPS store. I'm sorry, it's
1:14:48a UPS store. Same address, Main Street,
1:14:51Newtown, Connecticut. It's a UPS store.
1:14:54You think you know, if they had this
1:14:55organization, they would have some sort
1:14:57of headquarters where they would be
1:14:58setting up a memorial I will just start
1:15:00investigating that and I guess I'm going
1:15:01to have to probably go on up to New
1:15:02Newtown. I'm going to have to probably
1:15:04go investigate Florida as well.
1:15:06If a person were to stake out those
1:15:09addresses, they could wait for Mr.
1:15:10Pozner to come pick up his mail,
1:15:11couldn't they?
1:15:18True. I mean,
1:15:20I'm the guy who's running an anti-free
1:15:21speech foundation. And you're the one
1:15:23who outed him as doing that, right?
1:15:25There's nothing on the Honor Network
1:15:26website that said Mr. Pozner was running
1:15:28it. You outed him. I believe he was
1:15:30public about that. Do you? You don't
1:15:32think that InfoWars is the first one to
1:15:34break that in an article?
1:15:36You don't think that? That he was
1:15:37running a site trying to get people's
1:15:39websites and and things taken down?
1:15:41Correct. That Mr. Pozner was running as
1:15:43an anonymous front the Honor Network to
1:15:45help make complaints against various
1:15:47sites so that individual parents
1:15:49wouldn't be the subject of retribution.
1:15:51Yeah, that's what I'm asking you if you
1:15:52knew that. No, I was not aware of that.
1:15:54We were um
1:15:56I believe I'm from memory Dew was
1:15:57covering a news article about how
1:16:00uh the but but then that's been
1:16:02conflated by you guys sending it to
1:16:03people's houses or just putting out
1:16:05their addresses to go after them and we
1:16:06never did that. So, if InfoWars If if it
1:16:09happened
1:16:10that InfoWars went and searched and dug
1:16:13through records for private business
1:16:15filings
1:16:16and used DMCA reports that it had gotten
1:16:20to suss out that Mr. Pozner was the head
1:16:22of Honor and then reported it to its
1:16:24audience, that wouldn't be a good thing
1:16:26if that happened, right?
1:16:30Well, I I don't I don't have any
1:16:31knowledge of what you're talking about
1:16:32there. I'm just saying if it happened,
1:16:34hypothetically. If hypothetically
1:16:36InfoWars went to some lengths to unmask
1:16:39a person who was running a charity
1:16:42that was trying to stop people from
1:16:43being abused and then disclose that to
1:16:45its audience with maps, that wouldn't be
1:16:48a good thing. Um that's from my memory
1:16:51not what happened. I I can't comment on
1:16:52hypotheticals. Sure. Oh, so it's If I
1:16:55was to say to you, if somebody was to
1:16:57come along and strike your hand with a
1:16:58hammer, would it hurt? You can't answer
1:17:00that question.
1:17:02I'm not striking anybody with hammers.
1:17:04If I asked you if I gave you a big bowl
1:17:06of chili, might it affect your memory,
1:17:08you can't answer that. That's
1:17:09hypothetical.
1:17:12Correct?
1:17:13You're just not going to answer those
1:17:14kind of questions.
1:17:21I'll take it that's no. Let's move on.
1:17:24it that wasn't I mean, yeah, that's
1:17:26Is that That's a comment. That's not a
1:17:27question. This is becoming one of the
1:17:29most harassing
1:17:30This is for TV and for
1:17:36This is just a show and it's a bad show
1:17:39at that. It's a show of how not to be a
1:17:41lawyer in deposition of a case. Show. I
1:17:43mean, if you want to be fair and you
1:17:45want to ask real questions, go ahead.
1:17:46But don't don't make comments and then
1:17:48try to reinterpret those comments as a
1:17:50question and then try to put words in
1:17:53the mouth of the witness.
1:17:55First year law student should know that.
1:17:58What was your objection?
1:18:00The objection was to your comment saying
1:18:02that there was an answer and my point
1:18:03was you didn't ask a question, so there
1:18:05couldn't have been an answer and that
1:18:06was objected for the record purposes
1:18:07that no answer had been given to a
1:18:09question that had not been asked.
1:18:11You maybe want to take a break so we can
1:18:13have a few breaths? Yes, maybe so.
1:18:15Yeah, you might need to do that. Yeah,
1:18:16yeah, absolutely. And maybe you can go
1:18:18back and read how to ask people
1:18:19questions.
1:18:40Mr. Jones, I want to talk a little bit
1:18:41more about that episode on February
1:18:4312th, 2015, the one we had looked at
1:18:45with the maps,
1:18:46and I want to show you a clip of your
1:18:49message to the parents that were
1:18:51complaining and ask you some questions.
1:18:54This clip again from February 12th,
1:18:562015.
1:18:58Can you play Hornets?
1:19:04I just want to tell this network of
1:19:06people something. I'll have to go to
1:19:08Sandy Hook. I'll have to get involved.
1:19:11If I mean, you're just stirring up a
1:19:12hornet's nest here.
1:19:14So, for complaining, you were going to
1:19:16bring InfoWars to their hometown.
1:19:21I have no idea what that 3-second clip
1:19:23is.
1:19:25Well, forget the 3-second clip. For
1:19:27complaining, you are going to bring
1:19:29InfoWars to their hometown. That is not
1:19:31what I said. Okay.
1:19:34Well, a couple months later
1:19:40Come on, Mr. Jones. I'm going to hand
1:19:42you what I am now marking as exhibit
1:19:43five.
1:19:46Couple months later
1:19:49in the spring of 2015
1:19:51you sent this man
1:19:53a cage fighter
1:19:55to go badger and yell obscenities at
1:19:57Sandy Hook residents, right? No.
1:20:00No? No.
1:20:04You know who that is, right? Yes. Good.
1:20:06That's Mr. Bedondy. Yes.
1:20:10I want to play you a clip of Mr. Bedondy
1:20:11in Newtown.
1:20:14This is from June 8th, 2015. Can you
1:20:16play the clip of Bedondy?
1:21:31And Mr. Jones, those are hardly the only
1:21:33people Mr. Brent Bedondy harassed on his
1:21:35multiple trips to Newtown, correct?
1:21:37Objection, as to form.
1:21:42Correct?
1:21:45I mean, almost everything you've said is
1:21:46not true, so there's no way to respond
1:21:47to it. No, not correct. Okay. That was
1:21:50Mr. Bedondy calling people who were
1:21:52involved in Sandy Hook, "Crooked,
1:21:54corrupt piece of [ __ ] motherfuckers."
1:21:57Right?
1:21:58That's what we just saw? Objection, as
1:22:00to form.
1:22:02That's what we saw in the video, Mr.
1:22:03Jones, correct? I didn't quite hear all
1:22:06of it.
1:22:07Okay.
1:22:10I want to show you something you said
1:22:11after Mr. Bedondy went to Sandy Hook
1:22:14about the school itself. And I want to
1:22:16show you a clip from July 7th, 2015.
1:22:19Can you play stock the school?
1:22:24If they did kill kids, they knew it was
1:22:25coming.
1:22:26Stocked the school with kids, killed
1:22:28them, and then had the media there. And
1:22:29that probably didn't even happen. I
1:22:30mean, no wonder we get so many death
1:22:32threats and so much heat and so much
1:22:34other stuff I'm not going to get into
1:22:35behind the scenes when we touch Sandy
1:22:36Hook, because folks, it's as phony as a
1:22:38$3 bill.
1:22:42First, Mr. Jones, you see the headline
1:22:45at the top of that screen? FBI says no
1:22:47one killed at Sandy Hook.
1:22:49Yes. Are you familiar that's an article
1:22:50that InfoWars published at one time?
1:22:53Yes, the FBI said no deaths that year in
1:22:56Sandy Hook on their website.
1:22:57Is that what they said? I'm
1:22:59going from memory. You pull it up.
1:23:01So, you say that that headline's true?
1:23:04Uh the FBI later amended it and said
1:23:05that it was an error. Oh, they amended
1:23:07it? That happened? Mhm? Okay.
1:23:14Let's move on to 2016.
1:23:17And in the 2016 election
1:23:20you found yourself having to discuss
1:23:21Sandy Hook because Hillary Clinton
1:23:23actually brought you up specifically in
1:23:25a campaign speech, didn't she?
1:23:27Yes.
1:23:28And that that she she wanted to put
1:23:30light on you, in other words. That's
1:23:32what's part of her campaign strategy.
1:23:34Yes.
1:23:35Now, after the campaign was over
1:23:38in November 2016,
1:23:40you directly addressed the parents in a
1:23:42video called your final statement and
1:23:45accused some of them of being actors,
1:23:47right? Uh no. Okay.
1:23:49I'm going to show you your the very end
1:23:52of your clip, your message to the
1:23:53parents on November 11th, 2016 in the
1:23:56final statement on Sandy Hook. Can you
1:23:58play the video clip titled soap opera?
1:24:03And so, if children were lost at Sandy
1:24:05Hook,
1:24:07my heart goes out to each and every one
1:24:10of those parents
1:24:11and the people that say they're parents
1:24:13that I see on the news.
1:24:16The only problem is, I've watched a lot
1:24:17of soap operas.
1:24:19And I've seen parents.
1:24:21And I know when I'm watching a movie and
1:24:23I know when I'm watching something real.
1:24:27Let's look at this Sandy Hook.
1:24:34That was not the extreme caution that
1:24:38your chief reporter, Mr. Watson, had
1:24:40been urging.
1:24:41Correct?
1:24:43Objection, as to form.
1:24:49Correct?
1:24:55I mean, if if people have been coached
1:24:57to put up certain political anti-gun
1:24:58statements, I have a right to say that
1:25:00it that they're putting on political
1:25:02talking points.
1:25:05I know when I'm watching a movie
1:25:08and I know when I'm watching something
1:25:09real.
1:25:10Mhm? I've seen soap operas before. This
1:25:13is an accusation about actors, correct?
1:25:16No, not specifically. I'm mad that the
1:25:18house is being politically turned to
1:25:19something synthetic to go after the
1:25:21guns, and I think that's why you don't
1:25:22play the whole clip.
1:25:23And then, at the end of the clip you
1:25:26point into the camera
1:25:28say, "Let's look into Sandy Hook."
1:25:30And then there's a title card that says,
1:25:33"InfoWars, you are the resistance."
1:25:36The you in "You are the resistance",
1:25:39that's your audience, correct?
1:25:42Um that's the tagline on everything, so
1:25:44it wasn't a specific Sandy Hook message.
1:25:46But I'm asking you
1:25:48the meaning of that tagline, "You are
1:25:50the resistance." You means your
1:25:53audience.
1:25:54I mean, it means somebody, yes. Mhm?
1:25:56Okay.
1:25:57Or it means just means the American
1:25:59people.
1:26:01Am I part of the resistance? Well, on
1:26:03the for the Democrats?
1:26:06I Sorry, do do I
1:26:09Well, that's a Democrat tagline that
1:26:10took from me, "You are the resistance."
1:26:13Okay. You're not a Democrat? I don't I
1:26:15don't know why you would Yeah, where
1:26:16you're getting that. I'm just saying
1:26:17that's a main line that's a Okay. You I
1:26:19mean the Democrats use that.
1:26:21Okay.
1:26:23Um Mr. Jones
1:26:25we've talked a little bit about these
1:26:26Sandy Hook investigators.
1:26:28Um one of them, Mr. Halbig.
1:26:30Um one of them, like Mr. Fetzer. These
1:26:32are people who've been investigating
1:26:35Um Mr. Halbig's been a considerable
1:26:37source of information for you. You'll
1:26:39admit that, right?
1:26:40Yes. Now, these Sandy Hook investigators
1:26:45these people were so crazy
1:26:47that you had to realize at some point
1:26:50that what they're saying isn't true and
1:26:52that Sandy Hook wasn't fake, right?
1:26:55Objection, as to form.
1:26:58I found out some of what they were
1:27:00saying was not accurate. Okay. Let me
1:27:01play a clip for you that something you
1:27:03said
1:27:05just a little while ago on January 19th,
1:27:072019.
1:27:10Can you play cookie?
1:27:17Within a few years, the
1:27:20Sandy Hook investigators, some of them
1:27:22were so kooky and so aggressive that I
1:27:25began to realize that some of what they
1:27:26had found wasn't true. So, that I
1:27:28couldn't say that it was totally
1:27:31synthetic and staged.
1:27:33When did you finally realize
1:27:36that these crazy people were crazy?
1:27:40Objection, as to form.
1:27:42I I I can't answer it I can't answer
1:27:44exactly, cuz it's so many years, but but
1:27:473 years ago, I found that some of what
1:27:48they said was wasn't accurate. Okay. So,
1:27:51essentially then, I think what you're
1:27:53getting at is you haven't been saying
1:27:55Sandy Hook is fake for years.
1:27:59I have been more on the side, going back
1:28:01about 3 4 years ago, that it did happen,
1:28:03and then and then started to talk about
1:28:04some of the anomalies that were not
1:28:05anomalies.
1:28:07And then that
1:28:08triggered more of the ire of those folks
1:28:10as they got more more, I think, extreme.
1:28:13That's what I'm saying, this is all
1:28:14cherry-picked here. Well, well, I'm just
1:28:15trying to understand, Mr. Jones, at some
1:28:17point, you learned that those people
1:28:18were crazy. You couldn't believe what
1:28:20they were saying. You couldn't say it
1:28:21was synthetic or completely fake
1:28:23anymore. When when did you stop saying
1:28:25it was I don't know. It was probably 4
1:28:26years ago I told Bedondy not to say he
1:28:28worked with InfoWars, cuz he didn't.
1:28:31And and and and we
1:28:32he's a professional wrestler, not a cage
1:28:34fighter. I mean, that I mean, I remember
1:28:36that. That's a day we could find when we
1:28:38sent him emails and said, "You don't
1:28:40work here. Stop saying our name. Don't
1:28:42don't do that in our name." cuz I saw
1:28:44that stuff and I was like I remember
1:28:45seeing it in the paper, and I was like,
1:28:47"Bedondy doesn't work here." I mean, he
1:28:48did stuff for us years before that, and
1:28:50then
1:28:51Objection, non-responsive.
1:28:52Well, I mean, I'm really answering your
1:28:53question. No, Mr. Jones, I'm asking you
1:28:55about Mr. Halbig, these sources that you
1:28:57had, not your employees. I'm talking
1:28:59about these investigators, right? These
1:29:01investigators, at some point, we just
1:29:02saw a clip, you realized that they were
1:29:04kooky, couldn't say it was synthetic
1:29:06anymore. When do you think the last time
1:29:08you like that ended? When did you stop
1:29:09calling it fake?
1:29:13Objection, as to form.
1:29:15I I mean, I can't accurately say that.
1:29:18Okay, let's let's try to hold on for a
1:29:19second. Let's let me take you back to
1:29:21April 20th, 2018. I want to play you a
1:29:24clip on April 20th, 2018. I believe it
1:29:26was a day or two after you were first
1:29:28sued. Can you play the clip? I'm not
1:29:30doing that.
1:29:53When you say you're not doing it, is is
1:29:55this meaning that you haven't been
1:29:57saying Sandy Hook was fake for several
1:29:59years? No, what it means is the media
1:30:01currently and then says Jones is saying
1:30:04it, Jones is sending people, and they're
1:30:06never showing me saying don't go
1:30:08investigate it, I believe mass shootings
1:30:10happened, and I'm sorry, and some of the
1:30:12anomalies we were told were wrong. And
1:30:13I've said it I've probably been saying
1:30:15that for years.
1:30:16Okay.
1:30:17And then the and then and then the
1:30:18media, the corporate media, wants to use
1:30:21it to I guess bring back up gun control
1:30:22or anti-free speech stuff, whatever it
1:30:24is. And so it continues to
1:30:27uh
1:30:29do that over and over again. Right. You
1:30:31you kind of you end up in the crosshairs
1:30:32cuz they want to generate clicks.
1:30:35Right? I don't I'm not sure how all that
1:30:37works,
1:30:38but but I but I can tell you um
1:30:42Sandy Hook is not my identity.
1:30:44I covered it less than 1/10 of 1%
1:30:47until Hillary gave her alt-right speech.
1:30:51And then
1:30:53there were thousands of articles, uh you
1:30:55know, saying Jones is doing this, Jones
1:30:57is sending people there. And it and it
1:30:59kind of restarted a big resurgence, had
1:31:01people on the street saying, "How dare
1:31:03you not you know, not say it happened.
1:31:04We don't think it happened." It's a big
1:31:06thing. There's like spray paint on the
1:31:07walls of, you know,
1:31:09here in Austin on on the side of the
1:31:10highway that, you know, Sandy Hook was
1:31:12staged. That's a big thing on the
1:31:14internet. Um and so
1:31:17and so the media made Hillary made it
1:31:19this huge thing like when she said Pepe
1:31:21the frog was a white supremacist. And
1:31:22then that made Pepe the frog the white
1:31:23supremacist cuz she she had a lot of
1:31:25power at that point in the news.
1:31:28And so and so I've been trying to say
1:31:30particularly you know, "Hey, it's not my
1:31:32identity, and I believe it happened, and
1:31:33I'm sorry for your you know, any pain
1:31:35you've had, but I'm not going to be
1:31:37Sandy Hook man, and then take what
1:31:38everybody else did as if what people
1:31:40said and done is all me. And then and
1:31:43then and then I'm kind of like the sin
1:31:44eater, and it's all put on me when
1:31:45that's not my identity. I mean, this
1:31:47idea, I know they have shows like
1:31:49Homeland and things where they're
1:31:50supposedly Alex Jones, then you know, he
1:31:51does all these things. That's not a real
1:31:53person.
1:31:54That that's an actor. And then kind of
1:31:56the media fantasizes that they're
1:31:58fighting uh you know, this this big
1:32:00boogeyman that's on Homeland, and that's
1:32:01not who I am.
1:32:04Remember what my question was? What was
1:32:05my question? Um I mean, I just answered
1:32:07your question. There's there's there's
1:32:09I mean, I answered your question again.
1:32:10There's no yes or no answer to something
1:32:12like that. Well, I mean, you don't even
1:32:14know what the question was cuz you were
1:32:15just talking. You're just ranting like
1:32:17you do on your show, right?
1:32:17No, I was being honest with you about
1:32:19the situation.
1:32:20well, let's walk through it, Mr. Jones.
1:32:21We know you started making videos
1:32:23calling it fake in 2013, right? No doubt
1:32:25there. Objection as to form. Right?
1:32:28Objection as to form.
1:32:30I can't comment on edited videos you've
1:32:31got. I'm not asking you about edited
1:32:33videos, Mr. Jones. I'm asking you in
1:32:342013, you made videos calling it fake.
1:32:37Correct?
1:32:38Objection as to form.
1:32:39I think asking if it was fake, yes. You
1:32:42No, you weren't asking. You were saying
1:32:43it was fake, and the evidence is
1:32:44overwhelming. Right? I mean, we have a
1:32:46right in this country to question
1:32:47things.
1:32:48I'm not I'm not saying what you did and
1:32:49didn't have a right to do. I'm just
1:32:50asking you what you did. You made videos
1:32:52in 2013 saying it was fake, right? I I I
1:32:54think saying
1:32:56I remember making the statements that it
1:32:58looks fake to me, but but we're not 100%
1:33:01Okay, and then in 2014, 2015, you were
1:33:03making videos calling it synthetic,
1:33:06completely fake, manufactured, phony as
1:33:08a $3 bill. That was happening all
1:33:10through 2014, 2015, right? Objection as
1:33:13to form.
1:33:17I mean, there's transcripts of that,
1:33:18right? I'm I'm not denying that I've
1:33:21questioned Sandy Hook.
1:33:22Okay, that's all I'm asking. Then in
1:33:232016, we know it became an issue because
1:33:25of the campaign. We saw a video called
1:33:27your final statement. We've looked at
1:33:28that.
1:33:30And we've seen you say really false
1:33:31things about Sandy Hook all through 2017
1:33:34in these videos, too, right? Objection
1:33:35as to form. Edited videos, I can't
1:33:37respond to it. Okay. But you just say
1:33:40for instance, if you say that there are
1:33:42port-a-potties showing up within an hour
1:33:43in 2017. That's not true, right?
1:33:46We we don't know that.
1:33:49Exactly, right? You don't know that. But
1:33:51you said they did.
1:33:53That's what the reports were from people
1:33:55we believe were credible. Okay. But in
1:33:58in 2017, you're still calling it fake.
1:34:02Objection as to form.
1:34:04No, I was the media would get me to
1:34:06respond and say, "Well, what are the
1:34:07anomalies?"
1:34:09And then I would say like like Megyn
1:34:10Kelly, I said, "I believe it happened."
1:34:11She says, "But what are the anomalies?"
1:34:13And then they edit it together to have
1:34:14me saying it didn't happen. That's
1:34:16that's just incredibly deceptive. Okay.
1:34:18I want to show you something you said on
1:34:20October 26th, 2017.
1:34:26And this is a video called $3 bill. Can
1:34:28you play that?
1:35:03That video, that was made October 26th,
1:35:062017. That's just a couple months before
1:35:08you were sued, wasn't it?
1:35:11I would guess that's right. And that was
1:35:14almost 5 years after the parents were
1:35:17had told you how distressing what you
1:35:19were doing was to them, right?
1:35:23I say right there I don't know what
1:35:24happened at Sandy Hook.
1:35:26You said it's phony as a $3 bill.
1:35:28Objection as to form. Talking about
1:35:29Nancy Grace where she says she's on
1:35:31location, and they've got trucks, and
1:35:33you see the same trucks drive behind her
1:35:34and the guest. That's what I mean is the
1:35:36media creating a synthetic thing around
1:35:39it to then script the outcome of what
1:35:41they want. You take it out of context.
1:35:43Oh, really? Okay, that's what phony as a
1:35:44$3 bill means. Yeah, I'm talking about
1:35:46have you used that term over the years?
1:35:47Talking about Nancy That clip
1:35:50is long enough where I can tell what I'm
1:35:51talking about. Nancy Grace video
1:35:54where she's sitting there at a
1:35:55roundabout.
1:35:57And she says the other person is is is
1:35:59I'm familiar, Mr. Jones.
1:36:00And it's the car Ashley Banfield sitting
1:36:02in a chair. They're both in the same
1:36:03parking lot. As a result of the
1:36:05satellite feed, you see the same cars
1:36:07going behind them, and it shows they're
1:36:08actually in the same location even
1:36:09though they're trying to do it like a
1:36:10satellite feed, right?
1:36:11Yeah. Right. And that's obviously they
1:36:13didn't have a guest to put on. They put
1:36:14those two people together. To you,
1:36:16that's an anomaly, right? That's one of
1:36:17the anomalies that caused you to have
1:36:19doubts.
1:36:20They lied and said they were on
1:36:21location.
1:36:22Yeah, sure they lied. Yeah, they said,
1:36:24"Hey, she's over here, I'm over here."
1:36:25And they're actually in the same place.
1:36:27Yeah. That's That's they were they were
1:36:28pulling over this. They pulled a CNN
1:36:30misstated Scott attacks from the Atlanta
1:36:32We'll talk about that.
1:36:33rooftop. Put a pin in that, Mr. Jones.
1:36:34We'll talk about that. I definitely want
1:36:36to get back and talk about that. But in
1:36:37terms of what you were saying in that
1:36:39video, you said we've looked at both
1:36:41sides.
1:36:42We tried to come at it all angles.
1:36:45But folks, it's phony as a $3 bill.
1:36:46That's what you said.
1:36:49Talking about the media coverage, yes,
1:36:50in context.
1:36:51Oh, is that you were talking about the
1:36:52media coverage? Yeah, in the clip, yeah.
1:36:55I mean, that's what I'm talking about,
1:36:57Nancy Grace.
1:36:58And Anderson Cooper, right?
1:37:00Yes. Blue screen.
1:37:02Where you say it's fake, wasn't there,
1:37:03didn't happen. They weren't on location.
1:37:05That's what you said. Objection as to
1:37:07form. No, generally someone is on
1:37:09location. It doesn't mean
1:37:11that the person being interviewed is
1:37:12even part of it. It means that they'll
1:37:13say, "Hey, you're going to be standing
1:37:15here." You're talking to Anderson
1:37:15Cooper. And then it and then I've talked
1:37:17to people that work in at that level of
1:37:19television, they routinely do that.
1:37:20CNN's famous for it.
1:37:22They'll even run audio in the back.
1:37:23They'll have a video.
1:37:25Yeah, like and like you'll hear the like
1:37:27the famous Another one happened a few
1:37:28months ago at CNN. You hear like the
1:37:30crickets and the cars, and all of a
1:37:31sudden the tape stops, and they got they
1:37:32have to start it back up. And they're
1:37:34supposedly on location in Gaza.
1:37:36I have no idea what you're talking
1:37:37about, but it's not important. What I'm
1:37:38asking you is about Anderson Cooper.
1:37:41With terms of Anderson Cooper, you said
1:37:42that Anderson Cooper wasn't at Sandy
1:37:44Hook. He was not there. Objection as to
1:37:46form. Right? You said that? Objection as
1:37:48to form. Um I I don't know how to
1:37:51respond uh to that. Of Yes, I believe
1:37:55that he used that that he faked being on
1:37:57location once. That doesn't mean that
1:37:59that the people involved uh or or
1:38:02aren't the parents or that didn't
1:38:04happen. It means
1:38:05CNN's famous for faking locations.
1:38:08Okay.
1:38:16I want to show you a clip of something
1:38:17you said in 2015.
1:38:20And this is a clip that's become kind of
1:38:22famous. Um and so I don't
1:38:24I want to get your input on
1:38:26something you said on 2015, January
1:38:2913th.
1:38:31And let me show you a clip called hoax.
1:39:06In my view, manufactured. I couldn't
1:39:08believe it at first. I knew they had
1:39:10actors there clearly, but I thought they
1:39:11killed some real kids. And it just shows
1:39:14how bold they are that they clearly used
1:39:17actors. I mean, they even ended up using
1:39:20footage of kids killed in mass shootings
1:39:23here in a fake mass shooting in Turkey.
1:39:26So, yeah,
1:39:28Pakistan. The sky is now the limit. I
1:39:31appreciate your call.
1:39:33Mr. Jones,
1:39:35can you now admit that these statements
1:39:38were reckless?
1:39:40No, I mean, I I think at that point in
1:39:41my life and whatever the context was
1:39:43that I was saying I think basically the
1:39:45whole thing is fake. Uh
1:39:47I mean, that's my right to do that. I
1:39:48legitimately have believed that Sandy
1:39:50Hook was probably completely staged. Uh
1:39:52different you know, periods in my life.
1:39:54Like I believe Jussie Smollett was
1:39:55staged or the WMDs were staged. I'm on
1:39:57record on hundreds of these events where
1:39:59I think they're staged. I've learned
1:40:00sometimes I'm wrong. So, uh and and so,
1:40:03no, I stand by
1:40:05uh
1:40:06you you the fact that I genuinely
1:40:07believe that. And my one of my best
1:40:09reporters, uh Paul, did thought that was
1:40:12wrong. And and and and so, that shows
1:40:14that we have real debates, real
1:40:16discussions. I mean, and and what people
1:40:18believe, as long as I think they really
1:40:20believe it, uh you know, is what we
1:40:21debate and discuss.
1:40:23That that's like listen to any talk
1:40:25radio show there is. Everything
1:40:28every last word or factual claim in
1:40:30those statements are things that you
1:40:32repeated with no confirmation from
1:40:35people you now admit are crazy. Right?
1:40:37Well, I don't want to call people crazy
1:40:39and get sued by somebody else. I I
1:40:41I have found that uh
1:40:44that some of what they said in the in
1:40:45the reports they put out were not
1:40:46accurate.
1:40:50Well, you certainly have no problem
1:40:51calling them kooky, right?
1:40:54Said it on air to like millions of
1:40:55people. Uh yeah, I mean, I yeah, I mean,
1:40:57I I think it's it's you know, kooky.
1:40:58These people are kooky and everything
1:41:00you said in that was based on what they
1:41:01told you and with no confirmation. I
1:41:03wouldn't say everything. Uh there was a
1:41:04lot of different sources, a lot of
1:41:06different things. And then there was a
1:41:07cover-up
1:41:08on on on the files and the reports and
1:41:11and and Lanza and his background. And
1:41:13so, when you've got a cover-up, you're
1:41:14not sure exactly what's going on, the
1:41:15extent of it. Let me make sure I have
1:41:17this really clear. Mhm. You don't
1:41:19believe the official story of Sandy
1:41:20Hook.
1:41:21You think there was cover-up. You think
1:41:23there was manipulation. You think that
1:41:25there is some sinister thing going on.
1:41:26I still Yes, I still think I think
1:41:29children died. I believe mass shootings
1:41:31happened. This happened in Brazil,
1:41:32tragedy. And I believe it's a crisis.
1:41:35Um
1:41:37and I go back to the point of all gun
1:41:38owners have been collectively blamed.
1:41:39Then,
1:41:41it's traumatic and and and so, people go
1:41:43and they find anomalies and then I've
1:41:45kind of retrospectively gone back and
1:41:46seen how I did believe that stuff. Um
1:41:50and and then I go back and I've now
1:41:51studied more actually the real anomalies
1:41:54and then it's just a school system and
1:41:55government trying to cover its rear end
1:41:58from from from from liability.
1:42:00Um and then and so, there definitely's
1:42:02been a very
1:42:03there's been a cover-up of the events
1:42:05and I think there's a lot of evidence
1:42:06showing there could have been a second
1:42:07shooter. There is the helicopter footage
1:42:09of the man in the woods.
1:42:11Uh I'm I still have questions about
1:42:12Sandy Hook. Um
1:42:14but I've
1:42:16I know people that you know, know some
1:42:18of the Sandy Hook families. They say,
1:42:19"No, it's real." People I I think are
1:42:21credible. And and and so, over the
1:42:23years, I've you know,
1:42:25especially as it became a huge issue,
1:42:27had time to you know, really
1:42:28retrospectively think about it.
1:42:30Uh and and there's a whole thing with
1:42:32Turd, you know, had had had a chance to
1:42:33believe that children died. Uh
1:42:37and it's a tragedy, but there are still
1:42:40real anomalies
1:42:41uh in the attempt to basically keep it
1:42:44blacked out. Uh that generally when you
1:42:48see that in government, something's
1:42:49being covered up. And after you were
1:42:50sued, you said there was a police
1:42:52stand-down in Sandy Hook. Right?
1:42:55You said that after you
1:42:56that about Parkland, too. I think there
1:42:57was a very slow response on both. Now,
1:42:59if you're a parent, just imagine me for
1:43:01a moment, that you lost one of your
1:43:03children, one of your children was
1:43:04murdered,
1:43:05and you think you know who did it. And
1:43:07there's been a justice system that
1:43:08worked out that said, "This is who did
1:43:09it." And then someone who thinks that
1:43:11they have information comes to you and
1:43:13says, "Mr. Jones,
1:43:15the person who killed your son,
1:43:17information about him is being covered
1:43:18up. There's a government conspiracy.
1:43:21They're manipulating. There's a police
1:43:22stand-down." Those things would be
1:43:24upsetting to you, wouldn't they?
1:43:26Objection as to form. I think the whole
1:43:28thing is upsetting and everybody's upset
1:43:29by it.
1:43:30And people see anomalies and citizens
1:43:32have rights to ask questions.
1:43:34Right. So, if there was a police
1:43:35stand-down,
1:43:36that'd be upsetting, right?
1:43:39I mean, you know, that would be Come on,
1:43:40if if the police chose not to react,
1:43:42that's upsetting, isn't Well, there
1:43:43there was in common mind there was at
1:43:45Parkland that the state they've ruled
1:43:47that in in
1:43:48Florida there was a police stand-down. I
1:43:49was the first to report that cuz we had
1:43:50students call in. And CNN said they were
1:43:53said they were actors. I'm not asking if
1:43:55a police stand-down happened at
1:43:56Parkland. Not asking if one happened at
1:43:57Sandy Hook. I'm saying that if children
1:43:59are being attacked and and the police
1:44:01anywhere stand down, that's upsetting.
1:44:04Yes. Now, by the same token, if the
1:44:07police didn't stand down,
1:44:10but somebody was told, a parent, a
1:44:11victim was told that THE POLICE DID
1:44:13STAND DOWN, FALSELY, that's also
1:44:16upsetting.
1:44:18I believe there's been lawsuits by the
1:44:19families about a lack of response. Is
1:44:21that my question?
1:44:23Is that in any way my question, Mr.
1:44:25Jones? Well, I
1:44:26I don't understand your question.
1:44:27My question is is if somebody was to lie
1:44:29to you, your children were killed, and
1:44:32then somebody came to you and lied to
1:44:34you and said the police stood down,
1:44:36that'd be distressing. Objection as to
1:44:38form.
1:44:39I don't know of any If people believe
1:44:41there was a stand-down, then it's not a
1:44:43lie.
1:44:45If somebody came to you about your
1:44:47murdered child and said your murdered
1:44:48child wasn't actually murdered, he was
1:44:50stolen by aliens and lied to you about
1:44:52that, that's upsetting, right? Yeah.
1:44:59Can you now admit
1:45:02that you've done an outrageous wrong to
1:45:04these parents? Can you admit that?
1:45:07You know, the the mainstream media is
1:45:09who always takes it, makes it a huge
1:45:10issue, and then says that I'm saying it
1:45:12and gets me to respond. And and it's
1:45:14lawyers like you
1:45:15and and and people that glom onto this
1:45:17for fame that then try to get the fame
1:45:19and then say that I'm the person that's
1:45:21promoting it.
1:45:22And it's it's obscene in my view.
1:45:25So, that's no.
1:45:27No. I I I genuinely questioned
1:45:30and I think the government and media
1:45:31that's been caught lying so much has
1:45:33created an atmosphere where people don't
1:45:34know what's true. So, you do not believe
1:45:37that you've done an outrageous wrong to
1:45:38these parents. I have not No, I've not
1:45:40done an outrageous wrong to the parents.
1:45:41Okay.
1:45:45In that clip, you said state police have
1:45:47gone public. Have you have you ever
1:45:49argued anything about the state police?
1:45:51Well, I told you that most of the stuff
1:45:53I can't even remember. Do you, sitting
1:45:54here today, remember anything about the
1:45:56state police that going public?
1:45:59Is there anything that occurs to you
1:46:00today?
1:46:09I I can't remember. Okay.
1:46:13I want to talk to you about rescue
1:46:14helicopters. You mentioned rescue
1:46:15helicopters a lot. It was it was it was
1:46:18puzzling to you that rescue helicopters
1:46:20weren't called. Correct? Yes. Okay.
1:46:24I take it you don't know
1:46:26how long it takes
1:46:28for a Life Star crew from Hartford
1:46:30Hospital to be dispatched, travel to
1:46:32Sandy Hook, and for the engine to calm
1:46:34down to safely approach the vehicle from
1:46:36Hartford. You don't know how long that
1:46:37takes.
1:46:39No, I don't. And you by the same token,
1:46:41you don't know how long it takes for an
1:46:43ambulance crew to be dispatched to
1:46:45loading of the patient from Danbury
1:46:47Hospital, 9 miles down the I-84. You
1:46:49don't know that.
1:46:49No, I was I was going off Hal Big and
1:46:51others that professor's analysis of it.
1:46:53Okay.
1:46:58Look, I think we've agreed before
1:47:00that Sandy Hook was real, it's not
1:47:02staged, not phony.
1:47:04You were wrong about that.
1:47:06And and and I I want to be clear. I'm
1:47:08not I believe children died. I believe
1:47:10there was a mass shooting. I still think
1:47:13that there was a there was a man in the
1:47:14woods in camo. There were there were
1:47:16other reports. I saw the video and I
1:47:19believe that that that that you don't
1:47:20normally have every person never's
1:47:22happened before every person in a
1:47:23shooting die.
1:47:24And just and a lot of experts I've
1:47:26talked to, including retired FBI agents
1:47:28and other people, uh and people high up
1:47:30in the Central Intelligence Agency have
1:47:32told me that that that that that that
1:47:34there is a cover-up of Sandy Hook. Okay.
1:47:38Have there ever
1:47:40been any InfoWars employees
1:47:42who have been terminated or formally
1:47:45disciplined for allowing false Sandy
1:47:47Hook information to reach the air?
1:47:49Objection on two grounds. One is the
1:47:51form and secondly, Mr.
1:47:53Jones is only here in his personal
1:47:54capacity. He's not here as
1:47:56representative of Free Speech Systems.
1:47:57I'm not asking to bind him. He has
1:47:59personal knowledge. If he has it, he can
1:48:00tell me.
1:48:00I
1:48:04Anyone? Dan Bidondi was not working for
1:48:06us when he went to Sandy Hook. I told
1:48:08him not to.
1:48:09And then I told him stop using InfoWars
1:48:13over and repeatedly
1:48:15um
1:48:18until I had to I I had to tell him that
1:48:20I'm going to go public on air and say
1:48:21and say he's a bad person if he didn't
1:48:23stop using my name. So, you're going to
1:48:25tell me that after that episode in
1:48:27Newtown happened, Mr. Dude didn't
1:48:28communicate with Mr. Bidondi and ask him
1:48:30to cover Sandy Hook some more? I haven't
1:48:32reviewed I haven't reviewed all the
1:48:34things that went on with other reporters
1:48:35and people. I know I said to him,
1:48:38"Stop doing it." He he years before that
1:48:40I said, "Don't go in in our capacity
1:48:43to any of these places."
1:48:45Um and I'm just going off memory about
1:48:47that because um
1:48:52we told him we did not want him covering
1:48:53Sandy Hook.
1:48:54And um
1:48:57the last thing he covered for us was the
1:48:59Boston bombing.
1:49:02Who is we when you say we told him not
1:49:04to cover Sandy Hook? I mean, I I told
1:49:06him. Okay.
1:49:08He lives up there. How did you tell him?
1:49:11With the telephone, I believe I had
1:49:13emails.
1:49:14Okay. You use email to communicate with
1:49:16employees and people like Mr. Vedani.
1:49:20I remember saying
1:49:23in a meeting I'm around me years ago. I
1:49:25said, "Listen, it's funny. He's a
1:49:27professional wrestler. He likes to clown
1:49:29around. I don't want to be a bunch of
1:49:31clowns.
1:49:32Uh we're not the Howard Stern shows.
1:49:34Tell him to stop doing stuff in our
1:49:35name."
1:49:36And basically he just wouldn't stop.
1:49:45You've repeatedly said the 9/11 attacks
1:49:49were orchestrated by the government,
1:49:50right?
1:49:51Uh I believe criminal elements of our
1:49:53government were involved in 9/11.
1:49:55Regarding Columbine,
1:49:57you said, "Columbine we know was a false
1:49:59flag. I'd say 100% false flag, a
1:50:02globalist operation." And by false flag
1:50:04they they knew it was coming. They let
1:50:06it happen.
1:50:07Okay. The Oklahoma City bombing you said
1:50:10was a false flag. We've never had one so
1:50:13open and shut. 100% I can name the
1:50:14names. And that Tim McVeigh is an
1:50:16innocent patsy.
1:50:18He was he was shut up. Yeah.
1:50:19Okay.
1:50:20Hours after James Holmes shot up the
1:50:23Aurora movie theater, you said that was
1:50:26100% a false flag mind control event. He
1:50:29told the jailers that he was in a DARPA
1:50:32mind control program like Theodore
1:50:33Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Okay. The
1:50:35shooting of Gabrielle Giffords you
1:50:38called a staged mind control operation.
1:50:43Say that again. The shooting of
1:50:45Gabrielle Giffords you called, quote, a
1:50:48staged mind control operation.
1:50:54I believe I we looked at those
1:50:56possibilities.
1:50:58The Douglas High School shooting in
1:50:59Parkland, Florida you told your audience
1:51:02you were nearly certain it was a false
1:51:04flag to start a civil war.
1:51:07Right?
1:51:08That's out of context. I said I believe
1:51:10the shooting happened but that the way
1:51:12it was being hyped that the police stood
1:51:14down. We talked to the students and it
1:51:16was later confirmed.
1:51:19I want to show you the context
1:51:22so we can make sure we're not taking it
1:51:23out of context.
1:51:25I'm going to hand you the affidavit of
1:51:27Fred Zip.
1:51:28I would like you to turn the document
1:51:30onto its back
1:51:32and flip one page to page 25.
1:51:43You see that tweet right there?
1:51:45There's a tweet at the top of the page,
1:51:46right?
1:51:48Hm? A tweet is a message distributed to
1:51:51InfoWars' thousands, hundreds of
1:51:54thousands of Twitter followers, correct?
1:51:56Yes. That tweet reads, "Probability
1:51:59Florida attack false flag for civil war
1:52:0290%." Correct? Yes. The remainder of
1:52:05that tweet says,
1:52:07"Alex Jones calculates the probability
1:52:09of the Florida school shooting being a
1:52:11false flag of the deep state to create
1:52:14resentment towards conservatives, gun
1:52:16owners, and sow the seeds of civil war."
1:52:19Correct?
1:52:20That's a tweet. That's the context of
1:52:22that message, correct?
1:52:24I didn't put this out but they took a
1:52:25derivative of what I said on air and put
1:52:27it out. InfoWars published that. Well,
1:52:29the video that it links to is in the
1:52:31context. I'm asking you that tweet.
1:52:33InfoWars published that tweet.
1:52:35believe so.
1:52:35Thank you, Mr. Jones.
1:52:38The November 2017 church shooting in
1:52:41Sutherland Springs, Texas
1:52:44you put forth the theory that it was,
1:52:45quote, "part of the Antifa revolution
1:52:48against Christians and conservatives or
1:52:51an ISIS op." Correct?
1:52:55I think that's out of context giving
1:52:56like possible things and it and then it
1:52:58it turned out
1:53:00turned out that he, you know,
1:53:03In November 2017, the same month, there
1:53:06was a horrific mass shooting at the Las
1:53:08Vegas music festival. You remember that,
1:53:09correct? Mhm. And you said, quote,
1:53:12"Vegas is as phony as a $3 bill or as
1:53:16Obama's birth certificate." Correct?
1:53:18Yes. Okay.
1:53:20So, it really wasn't a surprise that you
1:53:22said the exact same thing about Sandy
1:53:24Hook that you've said about all of these
1:53:26other shootings. Correct?
1:53:28Yeah, well, I talked to the FBI search
1:53:29and rescue team on the thing in the Las
1:53:31Vegas.
1:53:35Okay.
1:53:37Let's talk a little bit about Pizzagate.
1:53:39You told your audience
1:53:42First, let's start off. Pizzagate is the
1:53:44allegation that there was a pedophile
1:53:45sex dungeon in a in a Washington, D.C.
1:53:47pizzeria with connections to Hillary
1:53:49Clinton and the DNC, right? That's what
1:53:52Pizzagate is. Objection as to form.
1:53:58Does that mean you ask it again? No, you
1:53:59can answer, Mr. Jones. That's what
1:54:00Pizzagate
1:54:01it again.
1:54:02Pizzagate is the allegation that there
1:54:05was a pedophile sex dungeon being
1:54:07operated out of the basement of a
1:54:08pizzeria in Washington, D.C. with
1:54:11connections to Hillary Clinton and the
1:54:12DNC.
1:54:13Nope. Okay. Tell me what Pizzagate was.
1:54:16Pizzagate came out of the John Podesta
1:54:19emails head of Hillary's campaign
1:54:21uh talking about Aleister Crowley
1:54:23rituals
1:54:24um and then the media diverted onto
1:54:264chan and covered a pizza place that the
1:54:30the DNC went to and that was going on
1:54:32and created the disinfo about these
1:54:35dungeons and basements and everything to
1:54:37then distract onto that away from the
1:54:39the the the serious stuff and the FBI
1:54:42manual that they use um
1:54:46You know, things like cheese pizza
1:54:47means, you know, child pornography and
1:54:48that those are code words used for
1:54:51pedophilia. And so that was basically a
1:54:53a diversion story kind of Karl Rove
1:54:57uh type trick where they we've got a big
1:54:59story but you slip this info into it so
1:55:01everybody then covers that.
1:55:05You told your audience something's going
1:55:07on in that pizzeria.
1:55:09Right? I mean I I mean I I
1:55:12I mean I did uh point out there was a
1:55:14lot of really bizarre art and that Tony
1:55:16Podesta um
1:55:18did did not uh hide the fact in the in
1:55:20the Washington Post 2007 in a big
1:55:23write-up about his deviant art uh that
1:55:25he likes um
1:55:27art that uh most people be arrested for.
1:55:30Yeah. Said something's being covered up
1:55:31in that restaurant, right?
1:55:33Um
1:55:36I don't remember saying that
1:55:37specifically. You said, "You have to go
1:55:39investigate it for yourself."
1:55:41Didn't you say that?
1:55:44I don't think that's the exact quote.
1:55:46So, if Mr. Zip reported that in that
1:55:48affidavit in front of you, he would be
1:55:50wrong.
1:55:51I mean I don't I don't know Zip.
1:55:53I mean I don't know Mr. Zip.
1:55:55So. Well, Mr. Zip who's sitting with us,
1:55:58he's former editor of the Austin
1:55:59Statesman, he's a UT journalism
1:56:01professor. He prepared that affidavit.
1:56:03If if he messed up and misquoted you,
1:56:05that's a problem, isn't it?
1:56:07Well, where's the I mean I haven't had a
1:56:09chance to read this.
1:56:09I'm just asking you Well, well, let me
1:56:10read it. Let me let me read it then.
1:56:13Uh What page are we supposed to be at,
1:56:14by the way? I'm not actually referring
1:56:16them to a specific page now but I can.
1:56:18Let's do that.
1:56:20That would be helpful.
1:56:35I believe that's going to be in his
1:56:36Hesslan affidavit.
1:56:38Let's talk about the plaintiff's
1:56:40petition then. Have you seen these
1:56:41statements in the plaintiff's petition?
1:56:44About Pizzagate?
1:56:47I'm confused. I'm telling you right now
1:56:49that there's a different affidavit that
1:56:51I'm not going to ask you about about
1:56:52Pizzagate but I am going to ask you
1:56:54about plaintiff's petition, the lawsuit
1:56:56that was served on
1:56:56Okay, can I see it? I'm not I'm not even
1:56:58interested in reading you right now. I'm
1:56:59just wanting you to know, do you
1:57:00remember Pizzagate being a subject that
1:57:02came up?
1:57:03Is that something you've looked into in
1:57:05the past couple months?
1:57:07I I have been very clear the last 2
1:57:10years that I believe that there was no
1:57:12illegal activity going on at that pizza
1:57:14place and I've told people
1:57:16that on record. So, I I don't know if
1:57:19you're looking for clips put out on the
1:57:20news of me saying something about that
1:57:22but I'm just I'm
1:57:23Well, what I'm really getting at, Mr.
1:57:25Jones, is that after you told people to
1:57:27go investigate it, somebody did and then
1:57:28opened fire there, right? That happened.
1:57:30No, I I I I there's no evidence that
1:57:32person did that um
1:57:34from from any directives I gave him.
1:57:36Okay.
1:57:37You made similar allegations on
1:57:39InfoWars. There were videos about an
1:57:41Austin pizza place, Eastside Pies.
1:57:43Similar allegations made on InfoWars,
1:57:45right? I I've not made those
1:57:47allegations. You apologized for them
1:57:48though, didn't you?
1:57:50I think a reporter went and pointed out
1:57:51the same symbol or something.
1:57:53Did you apologize?
1:57:56I I don't remember.
1:57:58You apologized to Chobani though, right,
1:57:59for publishing stories that they caught
1:58:01importing migrant rapists.
1:58:05Right? Um that was a technical thing
1:58:08versus there there were rapes in the
1:58:09town but it wasn't the company itself
1:58:11that brought the the the the the rapists
1:58:14in.
1:58:15It was the policies of the Federal
1:58:16Reserve board member who owns Chobani.
1:58:19You apologized.
1:58:21I did. You also just recently apologized
1:58:24for false reporting on the murder of DNC
1:58:26staffer Seth Rich.
1:58:29Objection as to form.
1:58:31Uh
1:58:34That was on reporting of an of another
1:58:36reporter.
1:58:37Last year InfoWars had to apologize for
1:58:39misidentifying an innocent young man as
1:58:41the Parkland High School shooter.
1:58:46I I think we did.
1:58:51Tell you what, Mr. Jones, let's take a
1:58:52little break.
1:58:54You want a break to pee again?
1:58:57Can you give me a time? Sure.

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