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0:00good morning could you please state your
0:02first and last name for the record and
0:04spell both
0:05mary sesto
0:07m-a-r-y-s-e-s-t-o
0:15miss esto how are you employed
0:17i work at the university of wisconsin in
0:19the department of medicine
0:22and did you know two individuals by the
0:25name of bart and krista halderson yes
0:29how'd you know them oh we've
0:31we've been friends for since mitchell
0:34was a baby so 25 years
0:41during that 25 years
0:45did you ever know bart and krista to go
0:46gambling no
0:50tell me about their alcohol usage
0:53when we were with them we would have
0:55wine with dinner
0:57beer but they weren't heavy drinkers
1:00did you ever know them to drink tequila
1:02or gin no
1:07so you knew bart fairly well um was bart
1:10one to have large amounts of cash lying
1:13about
1:14no
1:15can you kind of smiled can you explain
1:17that
1:18so
1:20bart bart bart's cpa he was our
1:23accountant he so i'm stereotyping cpas
1:27but he was very conservative with his
1:29money undoubtedly he bought
1:31good quality things for around the house
1:33but it wasn't like he went out to eat at
1:36expensive restaurants or
1:38bought really expensive bottles of wine
1:39he was he was conservative with his
1:41money all right
1:43he's mindful
1:44um
1:46and you're married correct yes and
1:49was your husband also friends with the
1:51haldersons yes and in fact did you guys
1:54do things together as families or
1:56couples yes we did
1:58what sort of things did you guys do
2:01oh i watched you know badger packer
2:04football games we
2:06would go to the terrace we've gone to
2:08their cabin my husband would help bart
2:12close his cabin
2:14pretty much every year
2:15except for covet during covid
2:19so
2:21i mean yeah i guess just general
2:24during covenant we would hang out at
2:26bonfires so okay
2:29i want to talk to you a little bit about
2:30the cabin how many times do you think
2:31you've been to the cabin i think i've
2:33been there two possibly three times i
2:36don't
2:38and
2:38did you and was it usually with your
2:40husband as well yes yep the four of us
2:42did you both um ride in the same car
2:45with krista or something and bart or
2:47something else no no we would take our
2:49own vehicles can you explain that a
2:51little sure when i mean when we went up
2:54to the cabin with them for the weekend
2:56um well backing up bart didn't leave a
2:58lot of equipment at the cabin so what he
3:01had at the house so if we were going to
3:02be using a chainsaw or cleaning up stuff
3:06he would have to take stuff with them in
3:08the car plus food i mean really not a
3:10lot was left at the cabin all their
3:12clothes
3:13so there's no way the four of us would
3:15have fit
3:16in
3:17their subaru or my car or my husband's
3:19car with
3:20with all our stuff so we always took
3:22several separate cars when we went up
3:24there as couples was part pretty tight
3:26in his packing
3:28did he packed well is that yeah okay
3:30yeah yes
3:34um
3:35what was uh
3:37did krista have any habits of
3:39communicating to you or to anybody else
3:41to your knowledge when they were going
3:43to the cabin yeah so um i know like they
3:46had gone to the cabin earlier in june
3:49and um we knew about that um
3:53you know i had texted her to have fun at
3:54the cabin i hope they had a nice time
3:56but typically we would
3:57know when they were going to be gone um
4:00not always but typically yes okay
4:03um
4:05were they
4:07would you were they more planned sort of
4:09individuals or were they more kind of
4:10fly by the city or pants sort of
4:12individual
4:18would you have considered them cautious
4:20in the sense of making sure somebody
4:21would know where they were going if they
4:23were planning to be up at the cabin out
4:24in the middle of
4:25the woods yes
4:29did
4:30did you know bart and krista a little
4:31bit as parents
4:33yes
4:35um if
4:36krista was going to be going away and
4:38leaving chandler
4:41for a period of time do you know if she
4:43did anything in preparation for that
4:45objection
4:48speculation foundation
4:50[Applause]
4:51perhaps lay more foundation i'll sustain
4:53but you can
4:54explore were you aware of some of
4:57krista's practices as a parent
5:00yes
5:01um did she do anything specific if she
5:03was going to be away with regarding food
5:06for chandler she would prepare food to
5:10my knowledge for chandler for the boys
5:12if they were going to be gone
5:17do you have any specific knowledge as to
5:19their practice concerning the dogs in
5:21the cabin
5:22so the cabin's very dog-friendly so
5:25they to my knowledge they typically took
5:27the dogs with them when we went with
5:30them they would bring their dogs as well
5:33um
5:34the last time i was we were there it was
5:35just one dog but they would bring the
5:37dog with them so
5:38okay so the jury got to see a video
5:41kind of a long video yesterday of the
5:43cabin and um
5:45it looks like there's a lot of property
5:47okay so places a dog could
5:50could run and swim and yes okay
5:57how often um
6:02do you know anything about christa's
6:04habits about keeping in touch with her
6:06children yes
6:08what do you know
6:09so when we have been out with them
6:11krista
6:12typically texted
6:14i don't know
6:16if it was mitchell once he had moved out
6:19and away from college but i know when
6:20chad chandler was living with them that
6:22she would text them she wasn't always in
6:24contact with her boys i
6:27we would arrive at the cabin and even
6:29though we drove in certain cars she
6:30would be texting them when she got there
6:32um i just i don't chris chrissa is a
6:36very was a very doting parent i just
6:38don't know of a time where
6:40when she was with us that she was ever
6:41out of contact with the boys
6:44and being up in the cabin did you
6:46generally have cell reception
6:49yes is that okay yes
6:51um
6:52did you
6:55how did you learn that bart and krista
6:58were missing
7:00so a police officer called me
7:03on wednesday
7:05in the afternoon to say that chas had
7:09reported them missing
7:11and
7:13if i recall there were several
7:14conversations that day but if i recall
7:16correctly asking about if i knew about
7:18the cabin
7:19um
7:20you know i remember saying that we knew
7:22how to get my husband knew how to get
7:24there so if they needed him to like give
7:26him the directions but it was it was
7:28through that police officer and then i
7:30well go ahead
7:32no you're you're fine um
7:34what if anything did you do once you
7:36learned that i was testing yeah i texted
7:39chazz and i emailed mitchell okay to
7:42offer support see what i could do
7:45offered to bring
7:47chad's food because again knowing krista
7:50that she would have left him a set
7:51amount of food
7:53um at least as been my experience we
7:55offered to bring him food down to the
7:57house okay and did he take you up on
7:59that offer he elected to come up to our
8:01house
8:02okay and where do you live in connection
8:04to the
8:05uh 4595 oak springs circle address and
8:08so just up the hill from them so you
8:11guys are neighbors yes
8:15uh and then on
8:16would you remember
8:18was it july 7th that chandler came over
8:20for dinner is that wednesday july 7th
8:22yes yes
8:24um tell me about that night uh do you
8:27remember about what time chandler
8:28arrived
8:31um
8:31it was probably somewhere around 7 45 to
8:348 p.m if i remember correctly okay and
8:37how did the evening begin
8:41just you know we expressed how sorry we
8:43were how worried we were what could we
8:45do
8:46to help
8:47um we need to talk about
8:51police going to the cabin um
8:55uh
8:56do you so do you want me to state what
8:58chandler said at this point or wow sorry
9:01no no you're fine um
9:04was your hus
9:06you said we
9:07will be your husband my husband was
9:08there okay was he there for the entire
9:10evening no he ran to grab pizza um but
9:14it was and was that pretty early on
9:17uh
9:18probably 20 to 30 minutes i'm guessing
9:21after chandler got there because we
9:23waited to tell her the pizza until she
9:25was at our house what did you and
9:27chandler do while your husband was out
9:28getting the pizza
9:30i
9:32we we talked by that
9:35point there were things that were said
9:37that
9:39just in a line with the couple that i
9:42knew so i was i went out into the
9:44kitchen
9:45um
9:46to just put some distance because i was
9:48just a bit uncomfortable okay
9:51let's back up a little bit you said that
9:53you started to feel uncomfortable and
9:55some things were said that didn't line
9:58up
9:59what was said
10:00um so chandler um was actually trying to
10:02be very assuring
10:04that um
10:06um
10:07that they had taken a large roll of cash
10:09they wanted to blow up blow off some
10:11steam they were going to go gamble
10:14um that they had taken a tote of booze
10:16with gin and tequila in it which were
10:18not
10:19as i mentioned alcohols i was aware of
10:21them drinking
10:22um so
10:23and that they drove with another couple
10:26so those things just
10:28one and one were not equal no it's just
10:30it wasn't the people i knew okay
10:34so you said you went to the kitchen why
10:36did you go to the kitchen
10:38because he um there had been he was just
10:41the things he was saying he was
10:44just very
10:45what i perceived as
10:47you know just emotionally flat just
10:50i don't know i was just i was
10:51uncomfortable so when my husband went
10:53left i stepped into the kitchen so some
10:55people are kind of emotionally flat and
10:57that's just kind of how they present
11:00was that chandler most of the time um
11:03not not to that extent so like that
11:05evening when he was at our house and he
11:07talked about the dogs and how he was
11:09frustrated that my turn he expressed
11:12concern that the dogs had been locked
11:14out in the garage during the whole time
11:16that the detectives or police were there
11:18and he got you know emotional that they
11:20didn't deserve that they shouldn't be
11:22out there so it's it was more so than
11:25when he spoke about his parents
11:27that i more emotionally flat and
11:30so he got more emotional over the dogs
11:33than his mom and dad being missing yes
11:35with with
11:36yes when he talked about the dogs there
11:38was more emotion
11:42why do you move into the kitchen
11:45i
11:46just i was i just felt uncomfortable um
11:49i just need i wanted to be
11:51i want me to be between the door and him
11:53um
11:54and again he he did not
11:56um he did not do anything that um that
11:59was uh physically
12:02um
12:03concerning i just was uncomfortable
12:06because it what he was saying it was not
12:08making sense to me
12:09okay so you put yourself between him and
12:11the door correct and when you say door i
12:13am front door the front door the door to
12:15go outside
12:16okay
12:19um
12:20what sort of things do you and chandler
12:21discuss once you're in the kitchen uh
12:24you know i don't recall that we had a
12:27lot of
12:28uh discussions um
12:30specific when we were in the kitchen we
12:32kept it light
12:34it was
12:36yeah i i really don't recall anything
12:39that occurred there um
12:42the
12:43when my husband came back
12:44and again i i don't remember was before
12:46he left when he came back we talked
12:48about he said that krista had texted him
12:51on sunday
12:53um and again i'm sorry i just don't
12:54remember that occur before my husband
12:56left for pizza
12:58when he came back but
13:00i was just it was um
13:02that's not
13:03i couldn't believe that if they had left
13:05on friday i've never ever known her in
13:0825 years
13:10once the boys were old enough to that
13:11she was out of contact from them for
13:13that length of time
13:15did you and chandler have any
13:16discussions about
13:18phones oh yes yes um
13:22so um i was trying to be reassuring that
13:25um
13:26you know don't worry because in my brain
13:28at that point
13:29i'm thinking they're in a car wreck on
13:31the side of the road something like that
13:32happen and so i said that don't worry
13:35they can track their phones
13:37um they can look at where the location
13:39the phone is and hopefully that will
13:41find them and his comment was no they
13:43can't do that
13:45okay and how did he say that just very
13:48flat they can't do that
13:51okay
13:53did you talk at all about
13:56chandler's medical concerns at that time
13:59yes so he had mentioned that um because
14:02of his concussion
14:04he it wasn't clear if he had the cat
14:06scan or was scheduled for the cat scan
14:08but that there was going to be a large
14:11deductible with that
14:14um and then i i made the comments and i
14:17don't know if this will make sense i
14:18made the comment well you'll be getting
14:20that large paycheck from american family
14:22so not exactly what you wanted to go to
14:25but at least you have those resources
14:28and so we had been told that chandler
14:30had a roughly a six-month position with
14:33american family that progressed from an
14:34internship to a paid position but he
14:37hadn't been getting paid and that he was
14:39going to be getting this large check
14:41and then he made the comment that that
14:44something along the lines that didn't
14:46work out or that's not going to happen
14:50and i was really uncomfortable with
14:52things that were being said prior to
14:54that but that was i remember like
14:56thinking
14:57i just need him to leave now because
14:59nothing this i don't believe anything he
15:01said
15:02so
15:02[Music]
15:06at any point that evening were you able
15:08to observe chandler's feet oh
15:11specifically his big toe his big toe he
15:14had asked and this is
15:15um towards the end of the evening when
15:17he was there that um
15:19he had hurt cut there was a cut on his
15:22toe
15:23from some broken glass of the from the
15:25fireplace he said that the dogs they
15:28were playing ball downstairs and the dog
15:30ran in and broke the fireplace glass and
15:32so he wanted me to look at his toes so
15:34he took off his shoe and sock and
15:37sort of bent over and was showing me the
15:39bottom of his foot the bottom of his toe
15:41and
15:42so i mean there was a small
15:44cut
15:45there
15:46how big would you say that comes i don't
15:48know small was a
15:50more than just a puncture but probably
15:51like less than an eighth of an inch
15:53little round
15:54area um
15:56it wasn't yes
15:58all right and you had talked to them
16:00about the cat scan
16:02and you said you work at the medical
16:03school what's your job so i'm a
16:05researcher so i'm also my background on
16:07physical therapist but i haven't
16:09practiced clinically for a couple
16:10decades so
16:12how was chandler's movement time during
16:14the evening at your house fine i know
16:16there's no um objection
16:21can we approach
16:22okay
16:27i'm gonna rephrase the question slightly
16:29could you describe um how chandler moved
16:33the evening he was at your house on july
16:357th of 2021
16:37so i did not
16:39so as an example when he asked me to
16:42look at his foot he was seated in a
16:45chair
16:45he bent fully forward pulled his foot up
16:48turned his head so we could both look at
16:50the bottom of his foot i
16:53i didn't see any restrictions in his
16:56motion during that which
16:58it's full spine motion for him to do i
17:02do not recall any
17:04restrictions in his movement or
17:07at any other time in the evening okay
17:10[Music]
17:15no further questions cross-examination
17:18yes thank you
17:19good morning ms esto good morning
17:21um so i'm gonna sit here just for the
17:23mic situation can you hear me just fine
17:26perfect thank you
17:27um a couple questions for you
17:29how long would you say that you've known
17:30brett and crystal alderson
17:32i think
17:34i think 25 years i believe it was when
17:35mitch
17:37i think it was after mitch was born that
17:40we met him through another neighbor
17:43okay
17:44and in that time i'm gonna assume that
17:47you had a lot of one-on-one time with
17:50krista
17:52uh yes i mean
17:54yes
17:55krista and bart i mean we did
17:57a lot with them as a couple so as a
18:00couple you hung out a lot yes you went
18:02to dinner
18:04and
18:05how often would you say that you had a
18:07one-on-one time with
18:09chandler
18:11oh just one-on-one um let me think about
18:14that
18:15i know like when we would stop over at
18:17their home
18:19um
18:20krista would want you know during kovid
18:23chandler to come out say hi
18:25um catch us up on what was new in this
18:27life but i think they were typically
18:30always
18:32martin crystal were always there um
18:34sorry i'm just going back before coved
18:37yeah i think as we hung out
18:39you know like they were we were together
18:41over thanksgiving i would chat with
18:44chas then
18:46but there were other people in the room
18:47so
18:48yeah i can't think of a time where it
18:49was just me and him in that room so this
18:52was probably the first time that you did
18:54have that kind of interaction with
18:56chandler yes
18:57and would you say the same thing about
18:59interactions with mitchell
19:03so yeah yes i mean so you never really
19:05had one-on-one interaction oh that's
19:07what i'm sorry yes that's right no that
19:08was my fault
19:09um
19:11and as far as the
19:12small cut on the toe did you notice
19:15anything
19:16unusual about it the way that she
19:18described it was it was just a small cut
19:21i mean yeah look
19:22yes i mean it wasn't i was looking for
19:25you know chaz was concerned about signs
19:27of infection
19:28um anything like that so i was looking
19:31for redness oozing it was
19:33um it you know i said if it continued to
19:36be problematic he could go and get it
19:38checked out but i didn't notice anything
19:41other than he had
19:43bigger than a puncture wound on the
19:44bottom of his toe okay
19:47and i'm going to assume you didn't
19:49notice any other types of cuts or
19:50anything that would have been concerning
19:52to you i no i didn't i just looked at
19:54the bottom of his foot
19:56um you also testified about
19:59chandler working at american family
20:01insurance yes that information was
20:04provided to you by krista correct
20:07no um i think the first time i heard of
20:11the company
20:12was when bart krista chas and my husband
20:16and i were standing outside and they had
20:18talked about he had been done an
20:19internship and had gotten a paid
20:22position but they were trying to get the
20:24the um payment set up
20:26and
20:27someone asked who was the company and so
20:30they that's what was said american
20:32family
20:33so i think that's the first time i heard
20:35it it was all of us together and i don't
20:37remember who actually said was american
20:40family okay and was that the first time
20:42that you heard of this job
20:44yes i had heard that he had been doing
20:45some internships sorry but that it had
20:47been sort of progressed to a paid
20:50position
20:51and then the last time if you will that
20:53you heard about this job was when you
20:54and chandler were in your home in the
20:56kitchen the next time i heard about it
20:59yes all
21:00right
21:02no further questions for you thank you
21:04can you redirect yes
21:06he said that there were times that
21:08krista would have chandler come outside
21:10and catch you up during covid
21:12what sort of things did chandler catch
21:14you up on
21:15oh um
21:17you know just it was mainly
21:20that night when they talked about the
21:21job
21:22um
21:24i know there was a time when he had
21:25moved back in that we chatted
21:28um yeah but that there it wasn't
21:32it wasn't a lot of i guess catching up
21:34okay all right thank you
21:36may this witness be released and excused
21:38yes your honor thank you very much thank
21:40you have a good remainder of your day
21:42and the next witness please
21:46good morning could you please state your
21:47name for the record and spell both your
21:49first and last names yes my name is
21:51kevin lindsmeier first name is spelled
21:54k-e-v-i-n
21:56last name of spell l-i-n-s-m-e-i-e-r
22:03and uh
22:05mr lindsmeier
22:07how have you been employed in the past
22:10um i was employed by the madison police
22:12department
22:13as what a
22:15police officer and a detective
22:17and how long were you a police officer
22:19and detective for 31 years
22:22and
22:24do you remember roughly when you retired
22:26on may 3rd 2021
22:29[Music]
22:30and where do you live
22:31i live at 105 oak springs circle in the
22:35forest wisconsin
22:37and where is
22:38105 oak springs circle
22:41in relation to the halderson home
22:45it's across the street from my house
22:47kitty corner a little bit so i mean the
22:50lots do not line up
22:53perfect but they're staggered just a
22:55little bit but we are across the street
22:56from the halderson residence
23:02and
23:03did you know krista and bart holderson
23:06i did
23:07how did you know them
23:09um
23:10so let's talk about bart first um i've
23:13known bart since childhood he's from my
23:16hometown
23:17um he went to the same high school as i
23:19we grew up five minutes apart or so
23:22um
23:23and then i met bart again
23:26about five years ago when he moved
23:27across the street from me
23:30and then krista i met through bart
23:33christa was bart's wife and that's when
23:36i met her okay
23:39and
23:40would you just characterize your
23:41relationship with them as neighbors
23:44or were you kind of friendly or
23:46something else
23:48we're neighbors um we went out to eat
23:49with them once
23:51um
23:52three years ago probably or so i mean we
23:54visited outside as neighbors would do
23:57so i would say we're very neighborly
24:00okay
24:02and in the first week of july of 2021
24:06what if any observations did you make
24:09about the halderson home or lawn
24:13so
24:14um
24:15the first week of july i recall
24:18talking to my wife about that the
24:21halderson lawn
24:23wasn't kept up which was very unusual
24:25they did a really nice job maintaining
24:27their lawn
24:28very good gardeners
24:31and
24:32it was obvious that the lawn wasn't
24:34being cared for so that was the first
24:36observation
24:38that we made
24:42gardening was kind of a hobby for bart
24:45or at least you thought it was
24:47they were out regularly working on their
24:49lawn
24:50planting you know maintaining their
24:52plants
24:53um they were
24:55that was one of their hobbies you could
24:56clearly tell they enjoyed being outside
24:58and working on their lawn and i heard
25:00that's a little bit competitive on your
25:02street that everybody takes a lot of
25:04pride in their landscaping and lawn yes
25:08[Music]
25:12as of july 7th or so of 2021 had you
25:16ever met anybody named chandler
25:18halderson
25:20i did okay and when
25:22when did you meet him
25:24um
25:26shortly after bart and christa moved
25:29into the house
25:30i know for sure i met chandler and his
25:32brother and bart and krista
25:34um then
25:35i remember that distinctly
25:38and i'm
25:39pretty sure there was at least one more
25:41time in subsequent years that
25:44i have met chandler
25:46generally speaking though
25:48did you socialize with chandler
25:50no okay
25:52did chandler come to your home on july
25:558th of 2021
25:58yes
26:00do you have any security cameras of any
26:02sort at your house i have a ring video
26:05on the front
26:06door of my entrance of house
26:10so do you remember what time did
26:12chandler come to your home on the 8th
26:15it was approximately 8 30 a.m
26:18okay
26:19and what happened
26:21so
26:22the doorbell rang i answered the door um
26:25i said the chandler through the door
26:27i'll meet you in the garage
26:29um
26:30why'd you do that
26:31i uh at the time i had a very young
26:33puppy that needed to be created
26:36um
26:37and i you know didn't want to
26:40have control try to control the puppy
26:42and talk to chandler at the same time
26:45so that was the
26:46reason on why i wanted to talk with him
26:49in the garage
26:50did you do anything as you prepared to
26:53go into the garage to meet chandler
26:55yes after i created the puppy
26:58i
26:59decided that i was going to record
27:02the
27:03contact i was going to have with
27:05chandler so i
27:07had my phone i activated the recorder
27:10why'd you do that
27:13well being a police officer
27:15um for many years i
27:18felt or i suspected something wasn't
27:20right based on my observations from the
27:22day before
27:23where i saw
27:25three squad cars outside the hall or in
27:28hollerson house for an extended period
27:29of time
27:31um
27:32that's not something we normally see in
27:34the neighborhood let alone
27:36for a missing person type case usually
27:39the officers aren't at the scene for an
27:41extended period of time so
27:42i suspect that something wasn't right i
27:44just didn't know what
27:46okay
27:48so you recorded the interaction i did
27:52and that just to be clear that's just an
27:54audio only
27:55recording that is correct okay
28:02[Music]
28:03mr lindsmeier i am going to
28:06show you what has been marked as
28:08exhibits 45 and 46.
28:11um
28:13what is exhibit 45
28:22so exhibit 45
28:25consists of a flash drive
28:28and during the course of this
28:30investigation did you provide law
28:32enforcement with your ring video footage
28:34of chandler
28:36i did okay and you provided a true and
28:38accurate copy i did
28:40at this point i would move exhibit 45
28:42into evidence any objection you're
28:44honorably mia may we approach please
28:46sure
28:52[Applause]
30:13[Music]
30:15and so the exhibit
30:1645 is received
30:19and exhibit 46. could you examine
30:23exhibit 46
30:24[Music]
30:32exhibit 46 is also a flash drive it's
30:34green in color and
30:36during the course of this investigation
30:38did you provide law enforcement a true
30:40and accurate copy of the audio you
30:43recorded in the garage between you and
30:45chandler halderson yes
30:48i would move exhibit 46 into evidence at
30:50this time any objection other than any
30:53noted previously none it is received
31:02i'm also going to provide 47 and 48 for
31:05the court record benefit
31:08thank you
31:11[Music]
31:20so the ring doorbell interaction
31:21occurred first
31:23yes okay
31:24so we are going to publish exhibit 45 at
31:27this time
31:42uh
31:49uh yes
32:22hey are we doing the garage okay
32:25[Music]
32:35and so that's the ring doorbell footage
32:38that is correct okay um
32:41and the date on that ring doorbell
32:43footage was uh july 8th and it appeared
32:46to be the time appeared to be 8 37
32:49a.m is that all correct that should be
32:52accurate yes
32:59and this audio footage that we are about
33:01to hear in exhibit 46
33:03um i assume that occurred pretty much
33:05seconds after that ring doorbell
33:07yes
33:16[Music]
33:28so
33:30[Music]
33:39oh
33:43[Music]
33:54[Music]
34:18would you have any notifications from
34:20friday morning early before 6 15. um we
34:24can check that's not a problem is that
34:26uh before 6 15. yeah before 6 15
34:30kind of since thursday midnight
34:34any notifications
34:35okay
34:36my wife is the one that knows how to run
34:38that so
34:40i'll have her
34:42pull it up on the computer
34:44so thursday
34:46thursday night to friday morning yeah
34:48okay
34:49um
34:51are you doing okay over there that
34:52anything i can do to help you out
34:54do you help watching the dogs or
34:56anything yeah yeah it's gonna be hard to
34:58leave my dogs with people
35:00i'm sorry what was that my
35:02my youngest dog was in a bad home before
35:05so she she's got to be out there with me
35:07my parents are like there's a
35:10my great aunt uncle the only people that
35:12she's okay being here okay well if
35:15there's anything i can do to make life
35:17easier i mean
35:18i'm retired now so
35:20um i'm around my wife's her own a lot
35:22she still works but
35:24um especially if it's like watching the
35:26dogs or anything if there's anything to
35:28make your life easier i'll show you my
35:30phone number you know you can call me a
35:32commentary
35:37uh
35:38okay ready my name is kevin
35:42and my phone number 608.
35:45two two zero
35:49one two zero three and actually let me
35:51get your number two
35:54uh
35:56that's like helpful yeah so you can
35:57touch the two
35:58or you can just text it to me
36:01okay thank you
36:02um
36:05yeah if there's anything
36:08i mean especially for my wife and i as
36:10you probably thought we have a puppy we
36:11just got a puppy we've always had dogs
36:16a little
36:17work of art but um
36:19there's anything i can do um
36:22i'm
36:22from you know what
36:24your dad is from the valders area i grew
36:27up in that area okay um he's three years
36:29younger than me
36:31um but we went to the same high school
36:33so you're with the medical bread brett
36:35is
36:36two one or two years older than me
36:38so i don't i don't know i don't think
36:41i've ever talked to him i know he used
36:43to be cross-country was he
36:45yeah was he a big runner back in i think
36:48in high school he was a wrong side
36:50and um
36:52i don't know if i've ever talked to him
36:53i know what he looks like
36:55but he's one or two years older than me
36:57but
36:58um how's
36:59you know your family
37:01how's your dad's family or christmas
37:03family doing
37:05um i haven't heard anything from my
37:07mom's family they're kind of spread
37:09across the map
37:10do they they know what's going on though
37:12no i haven't talked to them before
37:15i wouldn't know how to contact them
37:17my brother might want to contact her her
37:20brother sorry because yes
37:24yeah yeah i'm hoping brett can come
37:25because he'll be able to look through
37:27more things in the police heart yeah
37:30well if brett when brett comes up here
37:33if he comes up here they'll come over
37:35here if there's anything i can do to
37:36help
37:37with anything i mean i was a detective
37:39for
37:4023 years with madison police department
37:42so
37:43um i work you know that's kind of stuff
37:46i know brett was a manager
37:48he's
37:56[Music]
38:06[Music]
38:13for
38:14many years
38:16and
38:18i don't even know if he knows who i am
38:20but
38:21um when
38:23i met you know your dad and
38:25krista
38:26um he told me that that wasn't talking
38:29like i knew that i just didn't he's in
38:30the military or something too i remember
38:32yeah it was an army i remember that also
38:36but um i'll have lisa check the ring um
38:38i know the cops are
38:40one came over and talked over here a
38:42little bit yesterday and
38:44asked if we saw anything and it's like
38:46no not much too early
38:49i haven't seen anyone up
38:51around that time anyways
38:53do you um
38:57i write in the news release where the
38:59cabin is let's say you're late only is
39:02that a cabin like cabin cabin and they
39:05checked the cabin already up there i
39:07haven't heard that
39:09i would hope they'd cops up there
39:11knocking on the door
39:25okay
39:32[Music]
39:40i'll text you once she checks the ring
39:42so
39:43thursday night into friday morning
39:46okay
39:46um
39:48can you keep me in my interest anything
39:50i'm telling you if there's anything we
39:51can do to make your life easier you need
39:53to reach out to us okay we appreciate it
39:55okay what's your name again chandler
39:57chandler okay and you know what do you
39:59have one brother yeah i don't say when
40:01you move when your parents move in there
40:03i remember meeting two boys okay what's
40:05your brother's name yeshua okay yeah i
40:07don't know if i've met either of you
40:09since
40:10yeah it's been
40:12it's been a while yeah
40:14i can't even remember moving all the
40:16boxes in here
40:18yeah actually how long have you been
40:20over there for five years since i
40:22graduated high school and we moved
40:25just the summer after so what's weird is
40:28that i didn't i didn't know this until
40:29after you moved over here but
40:31um you used to live up off of west
40:33mohawk trail yeah we did too and i had
40:36no idea i mean
40:38and then we lived at 933 west mohawk
40:41trail and then we moved to mohican pass
40:43up on top of the hill oh that's where my
40:46best friend was live what was this name
40:48uh napoleon hoffman yeah
40:54[Music]
40:59so that's what your parents told me that
41:01you moved away from that area and moved
41:03to plymouth
41:04and then move back here then right
41:07but um
41:08i don't even know where i don't know
41:09where your house was off of mohawk
41:12but um
41:15we looked close and i had no idea you
41:17know that i remember your dad was a cub
41:20skull i don't think i ever taught him
41:21because he was younger than me but i
41:23remember
41:24your dad and your old your uncle is cub
41:26scouts yeah yeah that's all i remember i
41:29don't remember him much you know much
41:31else i know i never talked to that in
41:33high school he was three years younger
41:35but um and his brother was older so i
41:37don't think i ever talked to him
41:39but uh
41:40it's just how weird it was a small world
41:42and then your mom went to school with my
41:43wife
41:45it's like what small world that is so
41:48it's crazy
41:50so
41:51um
41:53okay um
41:55call me though if you need any anything
41:57appreciated okay
41:58okay if you could think of anything
42:01uh give me a ring or if you find it just
42:06just from my law enforcement background
42:09the best thing you can be doing is being
42:11in constant contact with the detective
42:14that's assigned to the case
42:16if i was you
42:18i would
42:19be lighting this phone up what's going
42:21on
42:22where are things at
42:24you know just being in constant contact
42:26um
42:27they're gonna
42:29i if they're doing their job the way i
42:31would be doing it they already reached
42:33out wherever the sawyer lake is
42:35they would have had the cops check you
42:37know check in the area
42:39um did you give them the address or the
42:41cabin
42:42okay i can assure you that they're doing
42:45what they can on their end but
42:47i would be calling that couple you know
42:50two three times a day
42:52saying hey what's going on or
42:53encouraging the cop to call you
42:56two three times a day until
42:58you know this is figured out um
43:02and i didn't know your parents real well
43:04i'm i i really haven't talked to i knew
43:06your dad a little bit i would say hi to
43:08him and we wave
43:10but it's not like we're real close
43:13because we just weren't you know so
43:15um
43:17but uh that's about all you can really
43:19do and
43:20um
43:23i'm not a big social media person at all
43:26don't know much about it but the
43:28appearance big in social media
43:31it's
43:32not helping finding them
43:34okay when was your
43:37in your appearance workplaces
43:39have been contacted already yeah okay i
43:42tried to contact my dad's but his place
43:44is so locked down it's hard to even talk
43:46to a real person
43:48and the officers know where your parents
43:50were yeah okay so they're doing their
43:52trust me they're doing what their jobs
43:54are so that should all be covered and
43:56then i would you know just stay in
43:58contact with the cops they're gonna
44:00probably ask for more information if
44:01they have questions from you answer the
44:03questions
44:04be in
44:05whatever you can do of assistance
44:14okay that's good that's really good um
44:17does krista have any relatives around
44:19here
44:22just my dad
44:23and i contacted
44:27his side aunt and uncle his brother
44:31his nieces
44:32okay god can't
44:34know all of my grandparents i i'm pretty
44:36sure they're in the loop not too but
44:38they haven't heard anything sure
44:40so
44:41okay
44:43um
44:44you know just work with the detective as
44:46much as possible do you know who the
44:48detective has the sign yeah it's on a
44:51card in my
44:53hand
44:54once you call and ask them are you the
44:56detective assigned or do you mind if i
44:58continue calling you
45:00for updates because what's gonna happen
45:02is
45:05yeah okay so
45:08not all three people are going to be
45:10assigned the case one person gets
45:12assigned the case
45:14because the other two most the time
45:16their control officers are
45:18detectives they have other pieces they
45:20have to work on but one person will be
45:22assigned a piece find out who that one
45:24person is
45:25and that's who you're going to call
45:27that's who you're going to communicate
45:28with you don't want to communicate with
45:30three different people because you're
45:31gonna get there on their own because you
45:33know these three people don't
45:34communicate with each other because
45:36they're all doing their own thing you
45:37need that one person that's a head of
45:38atheist so
45:40that's who you
45:41want to stay in contact with but um
45:44there's
45:58glad you did i'm really glad you did
46:00yeah
46:01i'm really glad you did um
46:06did the police ask you do they have
46:07passports
46:09do they
46:10don't know if they have
46:11passports with them i can't get in our
46:14safe i don't have the codes for safes
46:16okay and that's where we keep that
46:18business okay
46:19that's the stuff that they're gonna
46:21the cops have a way of
46:25checking to see if they got on airplanes
46:28there's a way of them doing that
46:30so there's there's things they can be
46:33doing
46:34on their end that i'm sure they are
46:36because that's what you know that's what
46:37they do so
46:39okay
46:40okay um
46:43keep me in mind though if there's
46:44anything i could be doing to help all
46:46especially with the dogs just keep me in
46:47mind with that we're not we have no
46:49plans with this puppy
46:51we have no plans so later this year so
46:53we're not going anywhere with the puppy
46:56yet okay i appreciate it
46:58i'll drop your text once my wife looks
47:00at the ring okay thank you
47:06[Music]
47:11[Music]
47:14is the person that you talked to in your
47:16garage chandra halderson in the
47:17courtroom today
47:19could you repeat that
47:22the the question asked if you uh would
47:24be able to recognize the person you
47:25talked to before following up with that
47:28i would ask everyone not in the jury box
47:30to lower their masks for a brief count
47:32of three so that the witness can observe
47:34everyone's faces thank you please
47:36replace your masks go right ahead
47:38attorney raymond
47:41do you see the person that you talked to
47:43that by the name of chandra helderson in
47:45the courtroom today yes could you
47:47identify him by where he's seated and
47:48maybe describe the color of his shirt
47:50yeah he's seated
47:52in front of me to my right slightly
47:54wearing a
47:55a blue
47:56shirt dark tie and a dark blazer jacket
48:01and i know that audio was kind of long
48:03but at the beginning the defendant asked
48:05two questions if you had cameras and
48:08what they pointed to
48:10is that fair yes okay
48:13and
48:16did you notice
48:18any
48:19disability or limitations on the
48:22defendant's movements that morning i did
48:24not okay
48:26that's it
48:28nothing further
48:29cross-examination no thank you may this
48:32witness be excused and released from a
48:34subpoena yes thank you congratulations
48:37on your retirement thank you very much
48:39have a good rest of your day spell it
48:41out kelly bennett k-e-l-l-y
48:45b-e-n-n-e-t-t kelly whereabouts do you
48:47live i live at 111 oak springs circle
48:51kitty corner
48:52from the heldersons sure um yeah
48:55describe if you could kind of in as much
48:57detail as you could as where your house
48:58is in relation to the halderson's house
49:00um my house is across the street and one
49:05down so it's
49:07kitty corner
49:08across the street but the
49:11my house is positioned on the lot
49:13unusually
49:14and it is
49:17the front of my house is facing the side
49:20instead of the street sure um do you
49:23have any security cameras at your house
49:25yes several um
49:27tell me about just in general do you
49:29have one system or multiple systems
49:31we have two systems we have a ring
49:33doorbell system
49:34and we have our son works for the
49:37department of corrections and he
49:38installs all the cameras for the prisons
49:41and we have a system that was installed
49:44by him you have a pretty well designed
49:46camera system then very well okay um
49:50were you asked to provide the dane
49:52county sheriff's department some camera
49:53footage from your house from the early
49:55part of july between maybe july 1st all
49:57the way through maybe the 8th or so at
49:59some point this summer
50:01yes on july 7th i heard that they were
50:04missing and i had my husband approach
50:07the police officers
50:09and volunteer the cameras
50:11sure
50:12and
50:13did you and your husband cooperate fully
50:15in turning over your camera footage to
50:16the sheriff's department yes we
50:20allowed them to actually
50:22log into our system and they
50:24could retrieve any and all footage they
50:26needed and to your knowledge time and
50:28date and things like that were all
50:30normal and normally operated on those
50:32camera systems yes on those dates
50:35um i'm going to show you what's been
50:36marked in this case is exhibit number um
50:4149 and you feel around is that a usb
50:43drive in there it sounds feels like yes
50:46okay
50:46and
50:48exhibit number 542.
50:51what is the photograph on exhibit number
50:53542 show
50:55my driveway sure that is your driveway
50:58um yes okay i would move uh and
51:01exhibit 49 in the past you've been told
51:03that the dane county sheriff's office
51:05were able to download your video footage
51:07and put it on usb drives essentially for
51:08trial correct correct okay i'll move
51:10exhibits number 49 and 542 into evidence
51:13any objection no those are received
51:17has been fair to say you know nothing at
51:18all about this investigation other than
51:20what you just said right correct i've
51:22never even looked at the footage on the
51:25cameras from
51:27the
51:28system designed by my son and did you
51:30know the holders very well
51:32i met her once when i was walking my dog
51:36and just said hello so you just provided
51:38video footage correct thank you no
51:40further questions
51:41cross-examination no thank you may this
51:43witness be excused and released from her
51:45subpoena
51:46thanks so much for your
51:48time
51:48good afternoon could you please state
51:50your name for the record and spell both
51:52your first and last name joelle lockwood
51:54j-o-e-l-l-e
51:56l-o-c-k-w-o-o-d
52:00and miss lockwood uh what location do
52:03you work out of uh one one one oak
52:06springs circle de forest wisconsin
52:09and the
52:10person who just testified miss bennett
52:12is that your sister yes and you work out
52:14of her home essentially yes
52:16on july 8th of
52:182021 um did you answer the doorbell and
52:21correspond with a young man um
52:24about camera systems yes
52:28and that was captured by some ring
52:30doorbell footage yes
52:37and i assume you didn't know this young
52:39man no time that you
52:44exhibit 50.
52:48just to show you
52:50it's a
52:51thumb drive or usb
52:53okay
52:54um
52:55of the ring doorbell footage
53:01i would move exhibit 50 into evidence at
53:03this time any objection none it is
53:05received
53:12[Applause]
53:14[Music]
53:19to remember about what time of day this
53:21was
53:23about three o'clock okay
53:36do you wish to publish it this time yes
53:38your honor thank you
53:41you should be able to see what will be
53:43shown on the
53:44screen in front of you
53:49[Music]
54:23oh
54:47hi hi
54:49my name is chandler halderson
55:03[Music]
55:05the police actually came and downloaded
55:07everything they have
55:09but it's actually my sister's house okay
55:11yeah so they were here
55:14i think until like nine o'clock last
55:15night and downloaded all the videos
55:17she's got so we're hoping
55:31yeah it's all hd and then i think
55:33there's one
55:34especially in the dark it looks like it
55:36has a little bit of night vision yeah
55:38and there's one on the uh
55:41the corner of the garage too
55:44i don't know
56:21no further questions
56:23for cross-examination
56:24none thank you may this witness be
56:26excused and released yes thank you so
56:29much for your time have a good rest of
56:30your day
56:33good afternoon could you please state
56:34and spell out your name for us it's
56:36catherine schuster
56:38k-a-t-h-r-y-n
56:42last name shuster
56:43s-c-h-u-s-t-e-r
56:46and ma'am if i'm asked where do you live
56:48um four five
56:50nine nine oak springs circle in deforest
56:53sure how long have you lived there
56:55a little over four years i think
56:57approximately
56:58sure um just going to ask you some
57:00questions first about your neighborhood
57:01okay oh sure um what kind of
57:03neighborhood is it is it a residential
57:05is it out in the country tell me about
57:06that it's a residential neighborhood
57:08okay um on a little pond
57:11sure do you live on the pond yes okay
57:14what kind of things do people do on the
57:15pond
57:17right now they're ice fishing or paddle
57:20boating or canoeing or
57:24probably about it were there fish in the
57:26pond
57:27oh yeah definitely fishing okay yeah uh
57:30did you know a couple by the name of
57:32bart and krista halderson
57:33yes how did you know them
57:36they were my next-door neighbors
57:39to the west of me okay
57:42um
57:43and they moved in
57:46i think approximately six months prior
57:48to
57:49my family moving in
57:50okay
57:51and uh when i when you say you knew them
57:53how well did you know them
57:55um well i
57:57knew bart
57:59better than krista crystal was a little
58:01more reserved but um
58:04you know definitely talked a little bit
58:06more i always saw him outside throwing
58:07the frisbee for his dogs and fishing and
58:11you know my my husband and bart would
58:13text sometimes or talk and so
58:17you know i knew him as as well you know
58:19neighborly sure um i think you alluded
58:22to some of it bart would be out some
58:24fishing or being in the yard with the
58:25dogs what type of is that the extent of
58:27it are there other things you'd see the
58:28haldersons outside doing
58:30uh
58:31sometimes they would have a bonfire
58:33okay
58:34um
58:36they did a lot of lawn work they really
58:38made their yard
58:41like very beautiful
58:42they did a lot of different things to it
58:44so they they always were doing a lot of
58:46yard work
58:48sure and your neighborhood do people
58:49take care of their lawns
58:51yes yes it's very uh
58:54everybody is very particular about their
58:56their lawns
58:58uh does it at times feel like maybe
58:59there's a little bit of a competition
59:00between people and who doesn't
59:02sure yeah definitely if you if you're
59:04behind you better get um
59:07you better get your yard mowed or your
59:10leaves picked up
59:11okay where do you rank in this lawn
59:13contest my husband's pretty uh i mean i
59:16don't rank too high okay personally but
59:19my husband
59:21definitely is
59:23you know like
59:24for example him and bart kind of had a
59:26thing where like firewood moe and then
59:29my husband would be like oh you know
59:31art mode i better mow or vice versa that
59:33would happen
59:35sounds good did you know the halderson
59:37boys at all their children chandler and
59:39mitchell
59:41no i mean i had seen them
59:44i had not seen mitch as much as i had
59:46seen
59:47chandler but i had only interacted with
59:50or i have only interacted with chandler
59:54twice
59:55since they lived there okay
59:58um in early july of last year so after
1:00:02the fourth of july weekend maybe going
1:00:03into the seventh day that time period um
1:00:07at some point did chandler come over to
1:00:09your house
1:00:10he did okay
1:00:12now do you have any security cameras at
1:00:13your house
1:00:15we do and uh were those full functioning
1:00:18and operational the day that chandler
1:00:19came over
1:00:20yes they were okay um at times do you
1:00:23turn the security cameras off
1:00:25yes i did why do you turn the security
1:00:27cameras off sometimes i turn the
1:00:29notification well i didn't turn the
1:00:31camera off i turned the notifications
1:00:33off so that um if there was a
1:00:35large influx of packages coming and then
1:00:39my husband wouldn't get like all the
1:00:41notifications sure
1:00:43he was at work
1:00:45yeah
1:00:45i think that scheme's being pulled on me
1:00:47right now
1:00:50so you had a camera system sometimes you
1:00:52turn the turn notifications off and and
1:00:54the footage would maybe go away
1:00:55eventually uh but chandler came over one
1:00:57of these days right and did you talk to
1:01:00him outside or did you invite him inside
1:01:02i invited him in inside so if your
1:01:04security camera picked up anything that
1:01:06they would have just been that brief
1:01:07ring of the doorbell
1:01:09pleasantries and then inviting him
1:01:10inside yes okay did you provide that
1:01:12footage to dane county sheriff's
1:01:13deputies did your family when asked in
1:01:15this case i did okay i'm showing you
1:01:16what's been marked in this case is
1:01:18exhibit number 52
1:01:20just a feel around that feels like a usb
1:01:23drive doesn't it yes and that'd be
1:01:24consistent with someone's video footage
1:01:26the kind of being transferred over for
1:01:28court right sure i would imagine so i'll
1:01:30move 52 evidence any objection no
1:01:32objection it is received for the court
1:01:34record i'll move 53
1:01:36not to be published
1:01:39any objection to 53
1:01:42no it is received and i'll move to
1:01:44publish 52. you may have
1:01:49what's going to be seen you'll be able
1:01:50to see on the screen in front of you
1:01:52rather than needing to strain your neck
1:01:55oh sure okay thank you
1:01:57i get it thank you
1:02:11[Applause]
1:02:17all
1:02:18[Applause]
1:02:33you guys okay thank you take care thank
1:02:35you bye
1:02:41[Applause]
1:02:45all right so that showed essentially mr
1:02:46halderson showing up and then him
1:02:48leaving when your your camera again gets
1:02:50activated by his movement correct
1:02:52and you have any reason to doubt that
1:02:54the time on the bottom there on the date
1:02:55of july 8th around 8 30 to 8 36 that
1:02:58sound about right to you
1:03:00uh yes okay i
1:03:02i thought he came over
1:03:04at 808 and we left 18 minutes later sure
1:03:08about a 18 to 20 minute conversation yes
1:03:11um nothing that was inside was recorded
1:03:13of course okay um let me ask you some
1:03:16questions sure though um
1:03:19mr halderson first came in uh what did
1:03:21he tell you
1:03:22i'm sorry could you rape you yeah what
1:03:23did he tell you was going on when he
1:03:25first came in your home
1:03:27uh well
1:03:28he didn't he he just came in he just he
1:03:31took his shoes off and i
1:03:33and you know i said
1:03:35to him i'm not very tech savvy it's
1:03:37gonna take me a minute you know to pull
1:03:39up the cameras and see what we have and
1:03:41then
1:03:42and
1:03:42he came in he sat down
1:03:46on the floor against uh one of our like
1:03:49oversized chairs
1:03:50and then um you know my dog went up to
1:03:53him and i sat next to my dog
1:03:56and i proceeded to look at the footage
1:03:59he
1:04:00i don't recall him saying anything at
1:04:03at that time sure um did he talk about
1:04:06anything in your house for that yes tell
1:04:08me about that well i asked him some
1:04:10questions so um so
1:04:13i think i believe while i was looking up
1:04:15some of the footage
1:04:17you know i
1:04:18had made a reference to minecraft which
1:04:20is because it was on the tv which is
1:04:22probably irrelevant but and then you
1:04:24know that was just a brief conversation
1:04:26and then i found the footage and i said
1:04:29you know unfortunately
1:04:31the camera was off from six two
1:04:34to
1:04:35um i believe it was
1:04:38or i'm sorry 6 30
1:04:41to 7 2
1:04:42which was june 30th to july 30
1:04:45july 2nd
1:04:47and then again it was on the 3rd
1:04:51off again the 4th to the 7th and then so
1:04:55he's like okay well i did most cameras
1:04:58don't go to the road i didn't just
1:05:00thought i'd check and then um
1:05:03i said to him
1:05:06you know so your parents
1:05:08why didn't your parents take their car
1:05:11and
1:05:12he said well a couple picked them up
1:05:14friday morning which would have been
1:05:17july 2nd
1:05:19prior to me getting up at 6 15 they were
1:05:22gone
1:05:23and i said oh okay and you don't know
1:05:24who they
1:05:26they went with and he said
1:05:28no i've called all their friends i don't
1:05:30know
1:05:32nobody
1:05:33they didn't go with anybody and maybe it
1:05:35was one of my dad's clients
1:05:39you know may keep going yeah okay and
1:05:41then
1:05:43he said well
1:05:45they took my parents computer today
1:05:49you know but they're they're not gonna
1:05:51they didn't take my dad's computer he
1:05:53has a high security job
1:05:55and they weren't able to take that and i
1:05:57said oh i'm sure you know they'll get a
1:06:00subpoena to get that
1:06:02that computer and he's like well they'll
1:06:04never get into that computer it's just
1:06:06too high tech and i said well i
1:06:08i think they will you know basically the
1:06:10police will get into it and then
1:06:13i just asked him about
1:06:15debit cards i just was said
1:06:18um
1:06:20you know
1:06:22are they looking at their
1:06:23debit card records you know to see where
1:06:26they've been or what not
1:06:28and he said
1:06:30you know no they don't use debit cards
1:06:32when they go up north they always take
1:06:34cash because they don't have
1:06:36any sliders
1:06:38and i said okay and then
1:06:41sliders and meaning though like a credit
1:06:43you refer to it as sliders but yeah i
1:06:46took that to mean
1:06:48debit card machines or credit card
1:06:50machines
1:06:51did you ask him about his parents phones
1:06:53and tracking them i did i then next i
1:06:57said well
1:06:58you know what about their phone records
1:07:00are they looking at their phone records
1:07:02and he said no
1:07:04they can't get their phone records
1:07:05unless they have a dead body
1:07:07and i said well
1:07:10you know
1:07:11they'll they'll definitely say subpoena
1:07:13those i'm sure it'll take some time and
1:07:15i don't know if that's the right
1:07:16verbiage subpoena whatever but um
1:07:19it'll take some time but they'll
1:07:20absolutely be able to get phone records
1:07:22and
1:07:23you know and then
1:07:27he said well i think
1:07:28the person down the street has some high
1:07:30security cameras and i said oh
1:07:33do you mean kelly and he said who and i
1:07:36just said
1:07:37you know the person that lives
1:07:39in the blue house down the street he
1:07:42said i think i'll have to visit her and
1:07:43then
1:07:44um
1:07:46i think that was
1:07:48the
1:07:49majority of the conversation besides
1:07:52that i said you know you know he got up
1:07:54i said you're gonna be so happy
1:07:58when they
1:07:59pull in your driveway you're just gonna
1:08:00be so happy and it'll be okay and he
1:08:02said no
1:08:04i'm gonna give him your full i'm angry
1:08:06we're all really angry
1:08:09and i said
1:08:10well no you know what i mean like when
1:08:12your child goes missing and you're mad
1:08:14they ran away but you're really just
1:08:16really happy you found them
1:08:18and he said no the whole family is just
1:08:21very angry
1:08:22and we're all going to give him a year
1:08:23full and i said okay well you know oh i
1:08:27asked if i could help with his dogs too
1:08:29and
1:08:30during this conversation some sometime
1:08:32he said no
1:08:34and i said okay well you know anything
1:08:36we can do
1:08:37you know about either we're praying for
1:08:39you or we're thinking about you one of
1:08:41those things i would i wouldn't say i i
1:08:44recall saying but i don't know which one
1:08:46um
1:08:47and then and that was it then i watched
1:08:49him walk in the direction of the
1:08:52neighbor across the street
1:08:54you somebody came in your house where
1:08:55did he sit again
1:08:56on the floor against uh
1:09:00we have a big oversized chair
1:09:03and i had pulled the ottoman out it's an
1:09:06oversized ottoman and i had pulled that
1:09:08out so he could sit on the chair
1:09:10but he he may have felt more comfortable
1:09:13on the floor he sat on the floor with
1:09:14his back against the ottoman or not the
1:09:17ottoman the chair
1:09:19did he seem to have any physical trouble
1:09:21getting up and down
1:09:22not that i noticed
1:09:24um
1:09:26his what was his demeanor like or his
1:09:28effect when he was telling you these
1:09:29things about um maybe his parents being
1:09:32gone
1:09:33it
1:09:35it's hard to describe i would i would
1:09:37guess
1:09:39kind of a quiet nature i would say
1:09:43like
1:09:45would appear to be down maybe
1:09:48um yeah
1:09:51uh police contacted you at some point i
1:09:53would imagine
1:09:54they did and you've been cooperative all
1:09:56the way through with the police helping
1:09:57them out with video and talking to them
1:09:58about your conversations yes all right
1:10:00thank you no further questions okay
1:10:01thank you cross-examination no thank you
1:10:04may this witness be excused and released
1:10:06she may be thank you so much for your
1:10:08assistance thank you for the rest of
1:10:09your day
1:10:10thank you

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