Parenting a Gender Non-Conforming Child | Michele Yulo | TEDxUtica — Transcript
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- 0:03So when we find out that someone is
- 0:05having a baby,
- 0:07what is
- 0:09the very first question we ask?
- 0:12Boy or girl?
- 0:14And it's this knowledge of the sex of a
- 0:16baby pre-birth that will set a child on
- 0:20a specific gender path.
- 0:21A gender path that will determine so
- 0:24much of how their lives unfold.
- 0:28We're all conditioned to seeing the
- 0:29world through this lens, pink, blue,
- 0:32girl, boy.
- 0:36Often it takes something unusual for us
- 0:39to change our perception.
- 0:42In 2005, I had my one and only child.
- 0:46And at 16 weeks, I did, my husband and I
- 0:49found out the sex and we were thrilled
- 0:50to learn that we were having
- 0:52a girl.
- 0:54Of course, we would have been absolutely
- 0:55fine either way, boy or girl. But
- 0:58somehow being a woman myself, I felt
- 1:00more comfortable with the idea that I
- 1:02was having a girl. I thought, I'll be
- 1:04able to relate to her, she'll be able to
- 1:06relate to me.
- 1:08Well, from the time that my daughter
- 1:09Gabby
- 1:10could walk and talk, she did not
- 1:12subscribe to any preconceived ideas of
- 1:16girliness. In fact, she didn't want to
- 1:18be anything like me. She wanted to be
- 1:20more like my husband.
- 1:22And my husband is a carpenter, and so
- 1:24when Gabby was really little, she asked
- 1:27for a real tool belt. She had to have
- 1:30had to be a real one. It couldn't have
- 1:32been a toy one.
- 1:35When she would wake up in the morning to
- 1:36go to pre-K, she would say, "What's
- 1:38Daddy wearing?" because she wanted to
- 1:40dress exactly like him.
- 1:43So,
- 1:45invariably, when we would go shopping,
- 1:47um there was nothing she liked in girls'
- 1:50departments. And so instead, we would
- 1:51wander through the boy aisles looking
- 1:53for everything from
- 1:55clothing to toys.
- 1:57So girls' t-shirts typically consisted
- 1:59of pastel colors with images of things
- 2:01like butterflies and cupcakes, while
- 2:05boys got the primary colors with images
- 2:08of things like sports graphics or
- 2:10dinosaurs or rock bands.
- 2:13Well, Gabby liked superheroes,
- 2:16not Barbies. She preferred pirates
- 2:20to princesses.
- 2:21Often we would get funny looks as we
- 2:23wandered through the boy aisles looking
- 2:25for things like Star Wars merchandise.
- 2:27And sometimes I would hear a mother
- 2:30saying to her daughter, "Oh, no, honey,
- 2:32you can't go over there. That's that's
- 2:33just for boys." Or a parent telling
- 2:36their son he wasn't allowed to look at
- 2:37the dolls because dolls are just for
- 2:40girls, and my heart would just break.
- 2:43Gabby loved superheroes.
- 2:46When she was three, she was Spider-Man
- 2:48for Halloween. When she was four, she
- 2:51was Batman.
- 2:52And when she was five, she was Indiana
- 2:55Jones.
- 2:57She was fiercely strong-willed at the
- 3:00ripe old age of three.
- 3:03As her mother, I could see that her
- 3:05personal identity was tremendously
- 3:08important to her.
- 3:09But it was equally important that my
- 3:10husband and I allow her to be whoever
- 3:13she wanted to be.
- 3:15But I'll be honest, that's not always as
- 3:17easy as it sounds, right? We all say to
- 3:19our kids, "You can be anything you want
- 3:22to be."
- 3:23But do we really mean it? Do we really
- 3:25allow them to make their own choices
- 3:27about who they want to be?
- 3:29Or do we limit those choices based on
- 3:32whether they are a girl or a boy?
- 3:34So when Gabby was seven,
- 3:36she asked for a buzz cut.
- 3:39And she already had short hair.
- 3:41And one day she said to me, "Mom, if
- 3:44boys can have a buzz cut,
- 3:45why can't girls?"
- 3:48And there was nothing I could say to
- 3:49that. She was absolutely right. It was
- 3:52her hair. It was her choice.
- 3:54I did say to her, "Gabby, if you buzz
- 3:56your hair, I just want you to know
- 3:58people might look at you funny.
- 4:00Kids can be mean. They might say things
- 4:02to you. Are you okay with that?" She
- 4:04told me she was fine with it. So off we
- 4:05went to the hairdresser,
- 4:07buzzed her hair off.
- 4:09She looked adorable. She was
- 4:11all smiles. She could not have been
- 4:14happier. And I knew right at that moment
- 4:17that allowing her to walk out into the
- 4:20world how she wanted to walk out into
- 4:22the world was what mattered, not
- 4:24instilling my vision or society's vision
- 4:27of who she should be, but by allowing
- 4:29her to be
- 4:31true to her truest self.
- 4:34Shortly after she got her buzz cut, we
- 4:36were at a local community pool that we
- 4:38belonged to. And a woman I had been
- 4:40introduced to had a couple kids running
- 4:42around came up to me and said, "Is that
- 4:44your daughter running around with the
- 4:45buzz cut and the board shorts?" And I
- 4:47told her it was. And she said, "I I I
- 4:49think it's great that you let her cut
- 4:51her hair like that." And then she
- 4:53proceeded to tell me a story about when
- 4:55she was a little girl, she had two
- 4:58brothers and she dressed just like them,
- 5:00she played with them, and she loved
- 5:01being like them. She said the first day
- 5:03of school came around and her mother,
- 5:07she dressed like her brothers, and her
- 5:09mother made her change into what she
- 5:10said was a stiff, lacy dress.
- 5:14And she looked at me really sadly
- 5:16and she said, "I can still feel that
- 5:18lace scratching on my skin."
- 5:22It just made me realize the tremendous
- 5:25impact we have as parents on our kids.
- 5:29So the idea that all girls want to be
- 5:31princess uh or are somehow hardwired to
- 5:35all things pink was a myth. It was being
- 5:38proven wrong right in front of my eyes.
- 5:41I started to do some research and I
- 5:43discovered lo and behold that pink was
- 5:45not always a girl's color.
- 5:47According to a great article in
- 5:48Smithsonian magazine called When Did
- 5:50Girls Start Wearing Pink,
- 5:52and actually in the late 19th century,
- 5:55blue was seen as a more feminine color
- 5:58and more girls wore it. And pink was
- 6:00seen as a variation of red, which was
- 6:03more masculine. It actually wasn't until
- 6:05the 1940s
- 6:07when companies began to get a hold of
- 6:08color and use it in that way, by gender.
- 6:12And it actually exploded in the late
- 6:15'90s, early 2000s when pink
- 6:18and princess became even bigger for
- 6:21girls.
- 6:22And now companies like Disney
- 6:24inundate girls especially with all
- 6:27things pink and princess from birth.
- 6:30It's a five billion dollar
- 6:33industry for them.
- 6:35So we did take Gabby to Disney World
- 6:37when she was little and she she had her
- 6:39short hair and her shorts and we walked
- 6:41up to the hotel counter at Disney World.
- 6:45And the woman behind the counter was
- 6:46lovely and she looked over at Gabby and
- 6:48she looked at me and she said, "Oh, and
- 6:50is this your little prince?"
- 6:52And I said, "No, and she's not a
- 6:54princess either." And the woman looked
- 6:56really confused. She didn't know what to
- 6:58do with that.
- 6:59Shouldn't there be a lot more options
- 7:01between prince and princess?
- 7:05John F. Kennedy said,
- 7:07"Conformity is the jailer of freedom
- 7:10and the enemy of growth."
- 7:13Conformity leads to stereotypes.
- 7:16Stereotypes lead to limitations.
- 7:19And yet we as a society punish those
- 7:23who are different and who don't conform.
- 7:26Right? It seems we've lost that
- 7:27in-betweenness to allow children the
- 7:30space to explore their own unique
- 7:33identities.
- 7:37We see this intolerance in the media
- 7:40incessantly. Right? Uh
- 7:43um a girl who cuts her hair short or
- 7:46wears boy clothing or
- 7:49uh likes things like Star Wars
- 7:52or a little boy who paints his nails,
- 7:54wants to wear the color pink,
- 7:55or grows his hair long, are all victims
- 7:58of intense media scrutiny.
- 8:01Right? Socially, these kids can
- 8:04experience bullying.
- 8:07Or sometimes it's actually the opposite.
- 8:10Sometimes kids who step outside gender
- 8:12lines are viewed as
- 8:14courageous.
- 8:16But I don't believe that kids should
- 8:18have to be brave to be who they are.
- 8:22But as parents, we have to be
- 8:24because kids are bombarded every single
- 8:27day
- 8:28with images, products, and advertising
- 8:31and language that look to trap them
- 8:34and put them in boxes.
- 8:38Take a look at these two magazine covers
- 8:41of Girls' Life and Boys' Life magazines.
- 8:43These were um
- 8:45this picture of these two magazines side
- 8:47by side were taken in a library last
- 8:49year.
- 8:51Uh and while they're not published by
- 8:52the same company, they highlight some
- 8:55very real and disturbing differences in
- 8:58how we view girls and boys and what each
- 9:00is exposed to.
- 9:01So for girls, it's all about fashion and
- 9:04how we look.
- 9:05How to wake up pretty or your dream
- 9:08hair.
- 9:09For boys, it's all about action
- 9:12and doing.
- 9:14Explore your future.
- 9:15Astronaut, artist, firefighter, chef,
- 9:18here's how to be what you want to be.
- 9:22When I saw these two magazine covers, my
- 9:25head just about exploded.
- 9:28And though I was really angry,
- 9:31I wasn't shocked.
- 9:33I'd already seen books that taught girls
- 9:36how to be more gorgeous and
- 9:39fabulous and boys how to be clever and
- 9:42smarter.
- 9:44Years ago I wrote a blog post about
- 9:46these two rattles.
- 9:48One is for girls and one is for boys.
- 9:51I'm sure you can tell the difference.
- 9:52The one for girls said says for a sweet
- 9:55baby girl. It's pink and purple. It's in
- 9:58the shape of a diamond ring.
- 9:59And the one for boys says for a busy
- 10:02baby boy. It's blue and yellow. It's in
- 10:05the shape of a hammer.
- 10:06Because eventually boys will learn that
- 10:09they have to do the hard work so they
- 10:10can afford to put that diamond ring on a
- 10:13girl's finger.
- 10:17It's the truth.
- 10:19But I ask you,
- 10:21why do rattles need to be gendered?
- 10:24Right? It may seem innocuous, right?
- 10:28You may be sitting there thinking,
- 10:28they're just babies. You buy them. They
- 10:30don't know what they're looking at.
- 10:32But these the reality is that these
- 10:33stereotypes set in and attach themselves
- 10:36like a second skin
- 10:38that will follow a child all the way
- 10:40through adulthood. Rattles are just the
- 10:42beginning of an endless stream of images
- 10:45they will be exposed to.
- 10:48Dr. Lise Eliot is author of a wonderful
- 10:50book called Pink Brain, Blue Brain.
- 10:54She says, quote, gender is the first,
- 10:57most obvious, and most significant
- 10:59attribute each of us shows the world.
- 11:01And infants understand much more about
- 11:03gender than we ever used to give them
- 11:05credit for.
- 11:07End quote.
- 11:08We put bows on female babies' heads who
- 11:11have no hair so they'll immediately be
- 11:13be identified as girls. And little baby
- 11:16boys
- 11:17might wear a
- 11:19onesie that says little man.
- 11:22I grew up in the '70s and '80s
- 11:25when product and advertising, especially
- 11:27for kids, reflected a kind of freedom
- 11:29for the for them to be able to explore.
- 11:33If you see these ads, these are LEGO ads
- 11:36actually from the early '80s.
- 11:38You can see there's not a lot of pink.
- 11:40Kids aren't separated, boy and girl, in
- 11:42the same ad playing with the same toy. A
- 11:46little girl in blue jeans with a blue
- 11:48shirt. The text addresses them as
- 11:50children,
- 11:51not as boy and girl.
- 11:53You'd be hard-pressed to find ads like
- 11:55this today.
- 11:57Now, LEGO makes what's called LEGO
- 11:59Friends. It's a separate line of
- 12:01building toys just for girls.
- 12:04And I can tell you that separate is not
- 12:07equal here.
- 12:09There's quite a difference.
- 12:11So, I grew up with two brothers,
- 12:13right here in North Utica. We all had
- 12:15one Big Wheel. It was red, yellow, and
- 12:18blue. I think probably many of you will
- 12:20remember it.
- 12:22But now,
- 12:24they make one for girls as well.
- 12:27So, basically companies convince parents
- 12:30and kids, right, that girls need to have
- 12:32a pink version of everything
- 12:34while boys are not allowed to like the
- 12:36color pink.
- 12:38And voila, they have twice the profit.
- 12:41We all buy into this notion even as
- 12:43adults. I don't know if you saw that Bic
- 12:45makes pens for women.
- 12:47They're pink and they have some kind of
- 12:49special grip because we have special
- 12:53hands, I guess.
- 12:57Truth be told though, things are
- 12:58beginning to shift and and I notice this
- 13:01all the time. It's not enough, but
- 13:03things are beginning to shift. For
- 13:04instance, in 2015,
- 13:07um the huge retail giant Target actually
- 13:10announced they were going to be removing
- 13:12their gender identifiers from their toy
- 13:15aisles. And and believe it or not, this
- 13:17was seen as huge news. So, basically it
- 13:20wasn't going to say girls building toys
- 13:21anymore and boys building toys. It was
- 13:23just going to say building toys.
- 13:25And the move was met with some hearty
- 13:28approval, but also some very heavy
- 13:31disapproval as some wondered,
- 13:34why was Target making it harder for them
- 13:35to find stuff for their kids?
- 13:38And why couldn't Target just let girls
- 13:40be girls
- 13:41and boys be boys?
- 13:44But more and more we do see the idea of
- 13:46gender nonconformity being rewarded
- 13:49and appreciated.
- 13:52Indeed, talent takes time, takes
- 13:54persistence,
- 13:55hard work.
- 13:57So, my daughter is now 12 and she is in
- 14:00seventh grade
- 14:02and she plays baseball. She does not
- 14:03play softball and she doesn't want to
- 14:05play softball. She's been playing since
- 14:07she was four.
- 14:08She is a really good player. She puts in
- 14:10the hard work. She's on a middle school
- 14:12team and she's on her local travel team
- 14:15as the only
- 14:16girl.
- 14:17Do I know how far she's going to go? No.
- 14:21Am I going to tell her that she can't
- 14:22keep playing?
- 14:23No.
- 14:25I see her and children like her as a
- 14:27natural-born leader.
- 14:29Someone who is breaking down barriers
- 14:31without even knowing that she's doing
- 14:33it, just by going out into the world as
- 14:35she is.
- 14:37Don't we need and want more kids
- 14:39like this?
- 14:41So, I ask you,
- 14:43what would happen if we didn't place
- 14:45limits on children based on their
- 14:47gender?
- 14:48Wouldn't it be amazing to say to our
- 14:50kids, you can be anything you want to
- 14:52be?
- 14:54And mean it.
- 14:56This is what we can teach our kids, not
- 14:58to let arbitraries
- 15:00arbitrary boundaries limit them.
- 15:03We have the capability as parents to
- 15:05open up their worlds so that they truly
- 15:07have endless opportunities from which to
- 15:09choose.
- 15:11And isn't that what we all want for our
- 15:13kids?
- 15:14Thank you.
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