Paddy Hill - The Birmingham 6 - Brutal Interview — Transcript

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1. 0:15can you be looking at me that camera
2. 0:22yeah so tell us a bit about your
3. 0:24background uh well I'm one of the men
4. 0:26more commonly known as the Birmingham 6
5. 0:28my name is Patty Joe Hill I spent 16 and
6. 0:30a half years of my life in prison for
7. 0:32what is more commonly known as the
8. 0:33Birmingham Pub bomb and a crime I never
9. 0:35committed I was released 10 years ago
10. 0:37last
11. 0:38week well I'd known Frankie before I
12. 0:40went in like i' seen Frankie around
13. 0:42London like when I was a kid in
14. 0:44Birmingham uh me and a lot of Ms like we
15. 0:46used to go all over the country to the
16. 0:47football and what HBY and we were used
17. 0:49to the club SC well there was no clubs
18. 0:51in the end days like most of them were
19. 0:53shabin all the legal drinking tend and
20. 0:55of course like I was no different than
21. 0:57with Frankie and so many others were
22. 0:58like uh I suppose you put it down
23. 1:01another turn away like you know and what
24. 1:02have you and I us to go up to Scotland
25. 1:04like up the the GBL not have you you
26. 1:06know Jimmy boy all emons and Wy M and
27. 1:08all all the lads and so I knew quite a
28. 1:11lot of people like you know all over
29. 1:12different parts of the country and
30. 1:13Liverpool Manchester and what have you
31. 1:15and as opposed to a certain you could
32. 1:17say there were sort of Underworld
33. 1:19figures like you know people involved in
34. 1:21the club scenes and the illegal drinking
35. 1:23gambling Dan and what have you so I knew
36. 1:25them all but the last time I seen
37. 1:27Frankie funny enough was uh 196 69 when
38. 1:30they shipped him out and he was on his
39. 1:31way up to Durham High security just
40. 1:33after he get sentenced then and uh he
41. 1:36came in in some green that Thursday
42. 1:38night and uh in fact in fact I give him
43. 1:40his dinner and I only had a few minutes
44. 1:42to talk to him through the door like you
45. 1:44know I'm what happy because every were
46. 1:45all category a then of course they had
47. 1:47the M bton report which just come in a
48. 1:49few years before that for people like
49. 1:52you know classified as uh security Etc
50. 1:54so I haven't seen Frankie since then and
51. 1:57funny enough even though since Frankie
52. 1:59come out i' around I'm living here in
53. 2:00London but our past just we just seem to
54. 2:03be I'm here Frankie somewhere else and
55. 2:05of course the status of Frank is now you
56. 2:07know it's completely changed from the
57. 2:10prison life you know the frankly like so
58. 2:12many others now become sort of
59. 2:14celebrities and do you think that he
60. 2:16deserved his reputation as bit of
61. 2:19dangerous oh Frank he was like all these
62. 2:22people like you know if you're involved
63. 2:24in the sort of world that they were
64. 2:25involved in yeah you know they are
65. 2:28dangerous people end of story like you
66. 2:31know and uh you just don't mess with
67. 2:33people like that but you must understand
68. 2:34one thing which the general conception
69. 2:36of The public's opinion don't seem
70. 2:39understand and I know that Reggie and
71. 2:41Ronnie and what have you said all this
72. 2:42before and I said the same thing myself
73. 2:44these people were involved with their
74. 2:46own they never harmed a member of the
75. 2:50public the public kids Etc and women
76. 2:54they were Sant people like Frankie you
77. 2:57know they don't in fact to be quite
78. 2:59honest with you
79. 3:00people like Frankie the Twins and what
80. 3:02have they' probably done more good
81. 3:03things than the so-called doters do we
82. 3:06come from that sort of background and
83. 3:08from the war like you know growing up in
84. 3:09that era like you've got to understand
85. 3:12the way things were in them days and uh
86. 3:15yeah Frankie is very hard man Frank you
87. 3:17brought up in a very hard era you know
88. 3:19it was not about survival and what have
89. 3:21you in them days you know just after the
90. 3:23war when there was nothing and what have
91. 3:25you so and and what are the qualities I
92. 3:28mean you spent a lot of time in prison
93. 3:30unjustly what are the qualities you need
94. 3:32to kind of survive that prison spell I
95. 3:35mean frankly 25 years or
96. 3:39something equalities you
97. 3:43need well we all handle it different way
98. 3:46like with me when I first went into
99. 3:48prison to put it bluntly I just didn't
100. 3:51give a
101. 3:53[ __ ] prison changes you and it changes
102. 3:56you very very slly you don't even know
103. 3:58you're being changed
104. 4:00uh I try to tell people prison's hard
105. 4:01enough for the guilty person but for
106. 4:04people like me who were like I've been
107. 4:05in prison before so prison was not I was
108. 4:07no stranger to prison I'm no stranger to
109. 4:09violence I have a number of previous
110. 4:11convictions myself for violence Etc to
111. 4:14me violence is another way of life and
112. 4:17of course uh with my violence like
113. 4:19Frankie everyone else the people that I
114. 4:20was involved with violence like when I
115. 4:22cut people up was other gang members and
116. 4:23what have you and all the crap you know
117. 4:25so uh we didn't involve innocent people
118. 4:28like uh that had nothing to do with his
119. 4:29put in
120. 4:31prison suddenly you waking up and with
121. 4:34me anyway I and I know a lot same thing
122. 4:38happens to so many other
123. 4:40people and you don't know when it
124. 4:42happens but it
125. 4:43happens and suddenly an incident will
126. 4:47happen and then you realize just how
127. 4:49much you've changed yourself like and
128. 4:51when that incident happens you then see
129. 4:53just how far you are prepared to go and
130. 4:57with me I didn't give a [ __ ] life life
131. 5:02didn't mean nothing to
132. 5:04me
133. 5:07and there's certain people in prison
134. 5:09doctors Dr Cooper Etc in park
135. 5:12house and I've ever a prison
136. 5:15doctor had reasons to section someone
137. 5:19off under the mental health
138. 5:22act uh Dr Cooper had a dozen reasons to
139. 5:26on a dozen occasion to nut me off
140. 5:30but then again Dr Cooper knew what I was
141. 5:32going through you know and he was one of
142. 5:33the first people in prison to tell me
143. 5:34that he knew that I was
144. 5:36innocent and I say like you know I was
145. 5:38thrown CAU into the wind and a bar
146. 5:41carried on the way I was going I would
147. 5:42end up killing people in prison I tried
148. 5:44to kill people I tried to kill prison
149. 5:45off you just don't give a [ __ ] and
150. 5:48that's what it's all about in prison
151. 5:49because prisons are not prisons what you
152. 5:51must remember prisons are nothing more
153. 5:53than new rbies dumping bins as a as Mr
154. 5:57McCarthy the governor at one of the
155. 5:59London prisons said a number of years
156. 6:00ago they're just human dust bins and
157. 6:02that's exactly what you are and you get
158. 6:04a lot of people coming from broad more
159. 6:05ramped and Etc and they come back into
160. 6:08the prison system because there's
161. 6:09nothing they can do with them and Life
162. 6:11to these people taking someone's life
163. 6:13like taking a cup of tea to them and
164. 6:16you've got to live with that and you've
165. 6:17just got to be as mad as the next [ __ ]
166. 6:20and that's just the way it is you just
167. 6:21don't care um when Frank left prison he
168. 6:26said he forgot about it the next day is
169. 6:29that possible possible he forgot about
170. 6:31it he forgot about prison just resumed
171. 6:34his normal life and it didn't have an
172. 6:37effect I find
173. 6:39that
174. 6:41unbelievable well then again you
175. 6:45see Frankie has a wonderful thing in his
176. 6:48head which I don't have Frankie knew
177. 6:52what the [ __ ] he was in prison
178. 6:54for I didn't the guilty person I've been
179. 6:58in jail before I've done word and it
180. 7:01didn't mean that to me because I knew
181. 7:04what I was in for I'm one of the old
182. 7:06school like Frankie and Ronnie Reggie
183. 7:07God rest of them Charlie and all the
184. 7:09rest of them if you can't do the time
185. 7:11don't do the [ __ ] crime me I was
186. 7:13prepared to do the crime and I was
187. 7:15prepared to do the crime even if it
188. 7:17would meant a life sentence when I was a
189. 7:20kid it didn't mean nothing to me I was
190. 7:23prepared for it mentally and physically
191. 7:26I knew what I was facing for carrying
192. 7:29weapons I Etc this is the life that I
193. 7:31chose not because I chose it it was a
194. 7:33life that was forced onto me with
195. 7:34discrimination I had young Brothers to
196. 7:36bring to look after in Birmingham and
197. 7:38what have you people picking on us
198. 7:39because we were Aries Etc in the story I
199. 7:42was there and I took care of it all but
200. 7:45at the same time I knew when I first
201. 7:47come over here within a matter of weeks
202. 7:48that one of us was going to have to go
203. 7:49to jail and it was me because I was the
204. 7:51oldest but I'm very proud to say that
205. 7:53none of my family has I sent my my
206. 7:55brothers not to colleages and the all
207. 7:57all qualified trades men and what happy
208. 7:59so I took the blunt of what trouble it
209. 8:02was I sort of the problems out but then
210. 8:04again that was my
211. 8:06choice and I have no regrets about it I
212. 8:09would do exactly the same thing all over
213. 8:10again if I had to do it you know final
214. 8:13question you you admire from PR I do
215. 8:16indeed for all the things that he's gone
216. 8:18through in prison the
217. 8:19beaten for standing up for
218. 8:22himself uh I have nothing but the utmost
219. 8:26respect for people like
220. 8:28Frankie r and
221. 8:30Reggie they done their B and they never
222. 8:32winged or cried about it and I've seen
223. 8:35others come in that were doing a hell of
224. 8:36a lot
225. 8:37less and all they done was wings and
226. 8:40crying they were guilty a sin of what
227. 8:42they were in for and they couldn't do
228. 8:44their board people like Frankie Ronnie
229. 8:46Reggie and all the rest of them you know
230. 8:49Joe they all held their heads up hand
231. 8:51they done their B with pride and that's
232. 8:53you know I admired them for it you know
233. 8:55for what they've went through uh the
234. 8:57prison system in the old days they was a
235. 8:59hell of a lot of violence and what have
236. 9:01you not only from init on init but a
237. 9:04hell of a lot of violence from prison
238. 9:06officers on inits like Frankie had his
239. 9:08legs and all broken in prison beaten Etc
240. 9:10you know and uh Frankie's a legend in
241. 9:14prison final question you um spend time
242. 9:17now running S organization
243. 9:19now you tell us a bit about that uh
244. 9:22since I come out uh my life has been
245. 9:24dedicated to helping other people who
246. 9:27are in prison find themselves in the
247. 9:28same circumstance as I was being fitted
248. 9:30up by the cops Etc and uh when I come
249. 9:33out of prison I said that the trend I'd
250. 9:35seen in the ' 80s as it was building up
251. 9:38that more and more people were going to
252. 9:39prison and more and more innocent people
253. 9:41were going to find themselves in prison
254. 9:43and uh 10 years ago that's what I
255. 9:45predicted at my first speech in
256. 9:46Manchester public speech and uh I'd love
257. 9:49to say that predicament was wrong but it
258. 9:51came through and at the present we have
259. 9:54over we have approximately just over
260. 9:564,000 people in this country who are
261. 9:58claiming they're innocent and what you
262. 10:00call it there is no help there's no
263. 10:03organization to help any innocent person
264. 10:05in this country and never mind what this
265. 10:06government says about the CCR see that's
266. 10:08another government white wise nothing
267. 10:10more nothing less and I set up an
268. 10:12organization and with a number of other
269. 10:14people uh we set up an organization that
270. 10:17hopefully will help people like me
271. 10:20because when I started it uh there was
272. 10:22no help for any of us and what have you
273. 10:25and we' have seen the inadequacy of the
274. 10:28system we've got one of the most
275. 10:29rottenest corrupted perverted systems in
276. 10:32the world second to none and I'm not
277. 10:35saying not just to be [ __ ] I would
278. 10:37love to stand here and say that we have
279. 10:39a wonderful system but we haven't we
280. 10:41have a system that is totally out of
281. 10:43control we have a police force in this
282. 10:45country that's totally unaccountable to
283. 10:46us the public who pay for their wages
284. 10:49our servants the police have got more RS
285. 10:52than we have they're the only people in
286. 10:53the country today who practice the rate
287. 10:55of saence they have the Udacity to tell
288. 10:57us the crme doesn't pay but for all the
289. 10:59Crooked cups and let me tell you
290. 11:00something there's been over a thousand
291. 11:02of us released in the last 12 years from
292. 11:04the courts and that one crooked cup has
293. 11:07gone to jail not one has even stood
294. 11:10trial and most of them have retired on
295. 11:13the grounds of ill health with 80%
296. 11:15inflation proof pensions and then they
297. 11:17have the adity to tell us the crime
298. 11:18doesn't pay it pays well if you're a
299. 11:20crooked cop in this country believe me
300. 11:22and no further action is taken against
301. 11:24them and this is what you know this is
302. 11:27the things that we are combatting and
303. 11:29the evidence which people are being
304. 11:30convicted in our courts is
305. 11:33diabolical uh our judges are
306. 11:35unaccountable they allow they allow
307. 11:37things that happen in court that defy
308. 11:40common sense and logic they come out
309. 11:42with statements that are totally as
310. 11:45standing and they too are not
311. 11:47accountable for anything that they say
312. 11:49or do uh well I don't mind that but one
313. 11:53thing I do say is that according to the
314. 11:56so-called democracy that we have in this
315. 11:58country that we're all supposed to be
316. 12:00equal under the the eyes of the law the
317. 12:02letter of the law and if that is
318. 12:04perfectly true I don't mind being held
319. 12:06accountable for my actions I've always
320. 12:09weared up the pros and cons of what I
321. 12:10was going to do have I done it I knew it
322. 12:12was fa me I was quite prepared to take
323. 12:13it I knew what would result in but if
324. 12:16I'm going to be held accountable for my
325. 12:18actions and so is all of us the public
326. 12:20then the very least we should have is
327. 12:22our servants being held accountable for
328. 12:24their actions and if that is is not
329. 12:27happening then believe me we're not
330. 12:28living democracy what we live in this
331. 12:30country it's a subtle form of
332. 12:31dictatorship