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0:00Today's guest is the most canceled man
0:02in comedy.
0:03>> Slavery is a choice. If you're dealing
0:05with a population where they say
0:07competition is the only sin, you want
0:09people to choose that like, oh no, I'm
0:13I'm nothing. I'm a speck of dust in an
0:15infinite vacuum spinning and my
0:16ancestors [music] are [ __ ] monkeys.
0:18>> The son of two professors in upstate New
0:19York, he started his career at the
0:21Renaissance fairs, taking tomatoes to
0:23the face for 9 hours a day.
0:24>> I mean, statistically, Stephen Hawking
0:26living 50 years is 0%. So, like the
0:29smartest man in the world that just
0:31decoded that there's no God has a brain
0:33disease so bad he can't speak, but yet
0:35he's watching midgets do math [music] on
0:36Epstein Island. Like, no. Eventually, he
0:39became one of Adam Sandler's go-to
0:41comics, starring in countless [music]
0:42movies, TV shows, and his own prime time
0:44sitcom until 2017 when he made one tweet
0:47that sparked the end of his career.
0:49>> I could end billiondoll propaganda
0:52campaigns with one sentence, [music] and
0:54that really pissed people off. In this
0:56episode, we'll explore the patterns he
0:57got cancelled for noticing, [music]
0:58expose the word magic he says powerful
1:00people use to keep you trapped, and
1:02question whether the truth actually set
1:03him free [music] or instead cost him his
1:05sanity.
1:06>> The spell behind all the spells is that
1:08you are not enough. Because if you know
1:10you're enough, if you know you're
1:12created properly, you're way less likely
1:14to be
1:14>> Benjamin. Welcome to the Jack Neil
1:16podcast.
1:16>> Yeah, I love when you reached out. I
1:18like your podcast. I was listening to
1:19the one about a tra You got me
1:21interested in travel agency.
1:23>> Really?
1:23>> Like that one with the travel agent. I'm
1:25like, that's pretty interesting. And I
1:26would never think that's interesting.
1:28Like I like that pot a lot. I was like,
1:30ah, rich people travel agent. That must
1:32have some great stories, [laughter] you
1:34know?
1:35>> Yeah. It's funny that people that work
1:37with rich people usually have the best
1:39stories. Like we did like a club
1:40promoter or something and he had some
1:42really good stuff as well.
1:43>> Yes. They're like insane, [laughter] you
1:45know. And the one you just did with
1:46Tucker, I I was I was blown away with
1:48that. I thought that was amazing.
1:50>> I appreciate that, man. Yeah.
1:52Owen, at one point in your career, you
1:55were starring in Adam Sandler movies,
1:57had your own sitcom, and were a regular
1:59guest on Joe Rogan until 2017. You've
2:03since been banned from every major
2:04social media platform, payment platform,
2:07and even had to build your own servers
2:09to have a voice unlocked.
2:11>> Yeah, I was banned from stuff people
2:12don't even know exists. Like, uh, well,
2:14I was banned from Dive, like Trovo. No
2:16one knows that. Podbe. I'm not really as
2:19much anymore, though. I've been like
2:20super happy lately cuz the the the the
2:22the vibe is like pulled back and now I
2:24get to just enjoy the ride, but for a
2:26while there it was nuts. Like I was
2:28banned from all theaters. People don't
2:30think that's possible. But like it's not
2:33that I could like I understand people
2:34don't want to book me because I'm too
2:36hilarious, right? I would book it and
2:39pay for it and sell my own tickets and
2:41then they would cancel it like over and
2:42over again. And that's when I started
2:45thinking conspiratorally cuz I'm like
2:47how is that possible? Like, don't they
2:49want to make money? Like, I've never
2:50been accused of a misdemeanor, you know?
2:52I'm like, I go from being rep at CIA and
2:54being known for the guy that gets along
2:56with everybody to being this like exile
2:58in the wilderness and now I'm back to
3:01people are like, "Man, you're so
3:02hopeful." And I haven't even changed
3:04that much. It's like, like three years
3:07ago, I'm saying this stuff that people
3:08are saying now, and I'm just like, "Oh,
3:10you're a mad man." And now people are
3:14saying it so much that people think that
3:16I'm like this hopeful, optimistic white
3:17pill guy. And I'm like, I'm saying the
3:19same thing.
3:19>> So, what exactly did you say that made
3:22you the most canceled comedian?
3:25>> It was I I made fun of David Hog for the
3:27gun stuff. I said, "I'm not going to
3:29take advice about my family's protection
3:31from a guy that can't grow pubes." And
3:34they said I got banned from Twitter for
3:36that for sexualizing a child.
3:38>> So, who's who's David Hog?
3:39>> Oh, you don't remember that? is who they
3:41rolled out. Uh he was like one of one of
3:44these shooting, you know, events
3:46>> and uh he was a a a child victim and he
3:49was like, "Everyone has to give up their
3:51guns." And I know how they do that. You
3:53frontload um you know, like Stephven
3:56Hawking in a wheelchair, no one can
3:57criticize his madness or like Helen
4:00Keller's deaf, dumb, and blind. So her
4:02thoughts on eugenics and socialism, you
4:04can't question. You know, it's like I
4:05know how they use children where it's
4:07like like right now with the Erica Kirk
4:08like the widow. Ah, and so as a former
4:12heckler and I understand wizard spells.
4:14I'm like, okay, then just make fun of
4:16that. Like, he's not even in the room.
4:18He's 17 and my point is valid. I'm like,
4:22Vice just published minor attracted
4:24person article. Like, they're trying to
4:26normalize. They're saying I sexualize a
4:2817-year-old for pointing out that he's
4:30not a man and can't talk to me as a man.
4:33Right. And so, and then Caitlyn, I said,
4:35uh, Caitlyn Jenner was woman of the
4:37year, hasn't been a woman for a full
4:38year. Now people all think that's a Dave
4:39Chappelle joke. I said that six years
4:41prior. And then I did the whole LGBT bit
4:45where I'm like it started with the L's
4:47and the L's just wanted a Subaru and a
4:48knickknack. And then you got the G's and
4:50they're a lot more into real estate. And
4:52the bees, they'll [ __ ] anybody. Like
4:53Dave's whole bit I did six years
4:55earlier. And then uh because they were
4:58launching Caitlyn at that point and
5:00that's when I thought the world had gone
5:01nuts. I'm like we're comedians. Bruce
5:04Jenner may have just cut off his penis.
5:06Like that's the funniest thing I've ever
5:08seen. The Wedies guy on the Kardashian
5:11show is wearing a dress, you know, and
5:14I'm like looking at guys that six months
5:16earlier are doing these bits and then
5:19everything just shifted. And I'm like,
5:21guys, I don't like change like you guys.
5:23I'm not motivated by like money and
5:25status and stuff. I'm like, I really
5:27just want to be funny. And um and they
5:31got so threatened by then they started
5:32attacking and normally people just back
5:34down but I like I know how bullies work
5:37and that's the best way to get me to
5:38like never back down is I'm like I can't
5:41apologize when I'm not sorry. Like what
5:43am I sorry about is David Hog a man to
5:46tell me to not have a gun? Like what am
5:48I sorry about you know? I'm like Lena
5:50Dunham just said she wish she had an
5:52abortion. I'm like are you not offended
5:54by that? I'm like what are the rules?
5:56And um and so oddly it like sucked at
6:00the time and it was very painful and
6:02there was a lot of like what I perceived
6:03as betrayal and financial stuff and all
6:05that. But looking back it was it's like
6:08the best thing that ever happened cuz I
6:10got off the road and had four children
6:12that I now it's like the best thing
6:14ever. I was on the road you know pandas
6:17only ovulate three days a year. Women
6:19it's like one day a month. I would have
6:21missed a lot of ovulations. And then I
6:23had to build my own platform. And then I
6:25just started farming. I never would have
6:27done that. But I'm like, I'm not wearing
6:29a mask during co and if you don't let me
6:30in the grocery store, I will have food,
6:33you know. And I started teaching
6:34classical piano again. And then the
6:37world shifted again. And now I'm like,
6:39people look at me like I'm fine. And I'm
6:41like, and I don't hold any resentment. I
6:44think that's pretty important now. It's
6:46like, no hard feelings, you know? I get
6:48it. People get scared. And just to put
6:50it into perspective, like how much were
6:51you making roughly at the peak of your
6:54>> sitcom? I was making like 30 grand a
6:56week like Yeah. And then like you know
6:58nowadays people make a ton, but back
7:00then I was, you know, I was like a a
7:04highlevel working comic. I was I was on
7:07I was in the mural at the improv. I was
7:08never like a like a huge star guy, but I
7:12was like as a craftsman very respected,
7:15you know. I like would do big events.
7:17like I would host award shows with the
7:19Caprio and you know what I mean?
7:20>> How old were you when all this kind of
7:22went down?
7:23>> I was in my 30s. It was 200
7:277 16 and 17. I think the Trump thing
7:30really shook everyone and then Black
7:32Rockck started funding overseas movies a
7:35lot and uh and and all these comedians
7:38just complied. Some didn't, but um I'm
7:41like we're the guys that are supposed to
7:43make fun of this. Like we're not
7:44supposed to make this much money. Like
7:46like I remember I I in 2013 I did an
7:49hour special for Comedy Central and I
7:52got paid a h 100red grand and like now
7:54people are getting millions from Netflix
7:56cuz they got the whole you know the
7:57money printers going in there. But like
7:59I remember being like this is this is
8:01crazy. Like I've I should make like
8:05210 a year maybe. I'm like good but like
8:08900 like I'm [ __ ] Like I'm just
8:11making you know. And then I realized
8:13that the value is the social engineering
8:15where they like as a comedian,
8:18you know, low to mid6 figures. Yeah, I'm
8:20good at my job, but like you you're
8:22worth millions if you shut up at the
8:24times they want you to shut up. And I'm
8:27not going to do that because I'm not
8:28gay.
8:31>> Do you think there was any messaging
8:32that you were pushing like unknowingly?
8:34>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I pushed tons of
8:36I've like That's the thing. I'm not even
8:38self-righteous. I I've been wrong like a
8:40ton. I just admit it when I'm wrong.
8:42Like I Yeah. I look back and because I
8:45used to think like drinking was awesome.
8:47Like I'd be like, "Man, dude, how great
8:50is it to just get hammered?" [laughter]
8:54Like all kinds of [ __ ] man. Yeah. I I
8:56was like verging on nihilism for a good
8:59chunk of my life, but I was never like
9:00one of those wicked guys that like hated
9:02people or like beauty or, you know, the
9:05sound of a child's laughter. I just was
9:08like, "Who cares?" Like I was never
9:10anti-gay or anything until they
9:12literally went at the kids like the joke
9:15said they were never going to do cuz
9:17like I never cared what people did. But
9:19I'm like you can't put a billboard of a
9:22guy with a boner right next to a school
9:24and say that's a valid lifesty
9:27you know
9:27>> right? It's like saying it's cool to be
9:29an alcoholic, you know? It's like we or
9:31like to eat too much, which is my thing.
9:33You know, I can really snack with the
9:34cookies, especially on a farm. And it's
9:36like, no, everybody does their thing,
9:38but as the great Nor McDonald said, no
9:40one's ever said, "I want to make love to
9:42your ass [laughter]
9:45about dominance." You know, it's like,
9:46you can love a man. You can love a man
9:48so much you don't want to give them like
9:50rectal drama. You know what I mean?
9:52[laughter]
9:53So, feel free to cut any of this. I can
9:56really cuz the funniest thing this isn't
9:58actually offensive. I'm just being so
10:00autistically literal that people are
10:01like whoa. But that's literally what it
10:03is.
10:04>> What I'm curious of here is something
10:06more recent and that I seem like would
10:10be a little more uh
10:13what's the word like pungent to people
10:16listening to a podcast on YouTube right
10:18now is you had three episodes on Joe
10:21Rogan's show. Like, how did you find out
10:24that Rogan had deleted all the episodes
10:26you guys did?
10:28>> I don't even know. I just was so
10:29disgusted. But now looking back, I No
10:32hard feelings. I get it. That's a weird
10:34world to live in.
10:35>> Did he call you?
10:36>> No,
10:39it's all good. You know, it's like
10:42that's a circle where where you got to
10:44do stuff. And maybe he didn't like the
10:45episodes, but uh three episodes.
10:49>> Yeah. And they were good. I mean, the
10:51third one was a little weird cuz I was
10:53starting to be a little awkward with
10:54like Kurt was going a little wild and
10:56they were trying to be like cuz they
10:58couldn't they they didn't really know
10:59how to say to gatekeep me cuz they
11:02couldn't quote anything cuz my jokes
11:04when you quote them this is why
11:05Wikipedia had to keep deleting stuff cuz
11:07they're jokes. Like I'm not even making
11:09dramatic political claims. I'm like
11:11Barack Obama stole my bike. Like
11:15like someone will be like look how
11:17racist this is and and like normal like
11:19alive people just laugh and they're like
11:21do you not understand that that's just
11:22like funny like what or I said I I don't
11:26want slavery to come back but I kind of
11:28do so Sean King admits he's white like
11:30stuff like that and they're like oh
11:32you're pro-slavery and I'm like well you
11:35know with the debt system we're all kind
11:36of there now you just don't want to
11:37admit it and then I get a little too
11:39intense. Hm. If you had to boil it down
11:42to one joke though that was like the
11:44reason for your cancellation, like what
11:46do you think was the thing that people
11:47were afraid that would spread?
11:48>> You said I could I could I could end
11:50billion dollar propaganda campaigns with
11:53one sentence and that really pissed
11:55people off. You know, like the pound me
11:57too joke that's now like been me'd
11:59billions of times, you know, like the
12:01the dramatic irony that I don't
12:03understand. It's it's not a hashtag,
12:04it's a pound. And I'm like, pound me too
12:07ladies. Way too aggressive, way too
12:08sexual. Like they like I got kicked off
12:10Patreon and Airbnb. Like I owned a house
12:13that I was renting on Airbnb under my
12:15wife's name and they said they didn't
12:17want to work with someone that mocked
12:19the victims of sexual assault.
12:22Meanwhile, women that have experienced
12:24sexual assault are like, "Thank you for
12:26making fun of this charade cuz it's just
12:29a joke about the word pound." And I'm
12:32like, "You have on your platform right
12:35now." Like [laughter] what? And then I'm
12:38like, "Oh, I get it." Cuz the threat
12:41because I don't have like a lot of
12:42violent tendencies. I'm not very
12:44political. I'm not even that ambitious
12:45with business stuff. I'm ambitious with
12:47art. But like I was like I always
12:50thought it was this big
12:50misunderstanding. Like no, I'm not
12:52threatening, guys. I'm just like
12:53hilarious. But I am threatening because
12:56I show that like you can be productive
12:58outside of a monopoly. And now I get why
13:00they're terrified of that. And I promote
13:03um children cuz the main thing is
13:06population reduction. It's like don't
13:07have kids. Oh, if you have a child, the
13:09seas will rise, you know? And it's like,
13:12no, dude. I said family is wealth, money
13:14is debt. And they like freaked out like
13:16family is your wealth. I can make labor
13:19force with my wean, right? They like
13:22there's no labor in the future. I'm
13:23like, I just made four. They worked
13:25their ass off. It's like, I can't afford
13:27kids. I'm like, dude, they make me
13:28money. I'm like fagging an Oliver Twist,
13:31you know? And that's like cuz you know
13:33these the evil of the world isn't an
13:36identity, it's a behavior and they
13:38they're they're envious of like life and
13:40like truth and joy. You know like people
13:43on a yacht see me on a pontoon boat
13:45having a blast and they're miserable and
13:47they like get real mad at that. So they
13:49want to break it. It's like getting rid
13:50of bad I bonded with Tucker about
13:52architecture. They see like beautiful
13:54domes made out of stone from toil maxing
13:57and they're like, "Let's bomb that and
13:59put up something disgusting, you know,
14:01and that's what bothers me. I like
14:02beauty. I like like people that are
14:04really good at things, you know?"
14:06>> Yeah. So,
14:08on the population portion, like why do
14:11you think they don't want us to have
14:12kids?
14:13>> Because family is wealth. family is like
14:15that's what you and Tucker talked about
14:17that I thought was so beautiful when
14:19Tucker was like the [clears throat] big
14:21lie is that there's a power above them
14:23like the narcissist is like I'm the the
14:26most powerful so anything above them
14:29like any father would do more for his
14:32wife and child than the banker right and
14:35so that purpose is so threatening to
14:38people that want you alone addicted your
14:41head swimming with lies because then
14:42you'll do whatever and it's
14:44I've never been a control guy. I just
14:46I'm like an improv guy. I like to see
14:47where things go. Control guys, it's a
14:50nightmare. It's a tower of Babel. Every
14:52brick is like a a life because you can't
14:54keep all the lies going. Every lie needs
14:56to be maintained forever.
14:59You can't just let the lies roll. You
15:01have to like constantly like Helen
15:03Keller. They they lay off the gas of
15:05Helen Keller for 5 years. It's a joke.
15:08She had a British accent. She couldn't
15:11hear anything. She's from Alabama.
15:13couldn't hear anything since she was six
15:15months old. She's like, "There's no
15:17blindness." I'm like, "That's a British
15:19She's a British actress. Her eyes don't
15:21dart around. They said she could fly a
15:23plane and she wrote books on eugenics."
15:25I'm like, "If you can't see and hear,
15:27you don't write books. Like, you're not
15:29speaking." Like, some lady's just doing
15:32this
15:33because why? What's the theology behind
15:35that? The miracle worker. They want to
15:37be gods. They want to be like, "No, we
15:39made a miracle. We made this [ __ ]
15:41lady, but I think she was an actress,
15:43>> right?
15:45Yeah. I' I've never really understood
15:46the Helen Keller one. I Something I want
15:48to ask you about, and I think it's kind
15:51of a low IQ claim in general, but
15:54>> I think low IQ might be the way to go.
15:56>> I mean, but so I saw Rogan said on on
15:59his podcast, the most recent time he
16:01talked about you, he said Joey Diaz
16:04broke you when he gave you an edible.
16:06>> Right. Right. Cuz this is what happens
16:07when you veer off course. They look at
16:10your skeletons like your like how to
16:12shame you, you know.
16:13>> Was that a big moment for you though?
16:15>> Not really because I have like my
16:17history is so clean it's laughable,
16:19>> right?
16:19>> It's like I like to drink booze and high
16:21five. So they're like So it was an
16:24interesting moment though. So I'm on
16:25Joey Diaz's podcast. I don't really
16:27consume marijuana, but I'm, you know,
16:30when in Rome, you're with Joey Diaz, you
16:31know. So I eat this. He's like, he's
16:34like, "Yo, dog, the star of death, dog.
16:36Try the star of death dog." And I'm
16:38like, "Okay, man." Like, "I'm down." And
16:41it was like 300 milligrams of THC, which
16:43I guess is like they call it a heroic
16:45dose, right? Right.
16:46>> And so I'm like watching him and he's
16:49asking me these questions. He's like And
16:51I just he like starts morphing into like
16:53like a demon kind of, but I wasn't like
16:55scared. I just couldn't really talk. And
16:57I just started like looking up. And
16:58imagine if we're doing a pod and I just
17:00stopped talking. And so then I go, "Yo,
17:02dude, I need some water." And then I
17:04just went home during the podcast. And
17:06then I kind of wanted to leave Los
17:07Angeles, but like in two days I was
17:10fine, but for a while like for like two
17:12days, like I that's why I'm not like mad
17:15about it because it did give me a
17:16perspective. I was like, "What the [ __ ]
17:18is that?" Cuz imagine Joey Diaz when
17:20you're that high. He's like a cartoon
17:22dog. He's like, "Yo, dude, when I was
17:25down in Florida, you're just like,
17:27whoa." And and like especially because
17:29I'm not like a a weed guy. Yeah. So it's
17:32like that's what broke me because I
17:34don't have that big scandal. Like you
17:35look at my life and I'm like kind of
17:38boring. I like to build stairs and [ __ ]
17:40Like I've texted you stair pictures. I'm
17:42like, "Dude, look at these stairs."
17:43[laughter] Like, you know, I have
17:45weaknesses and I like mess up and stuff,
17:47but my big thing is a [ __ ] pot
17:49brownie. Like Joe Rogan does like DMT
17:52and talks to elves and [ __ ] Like who
17:54the [ __ ] is he to judge me about a pot
17:55brownie with? You know what I mean?
17:57>> Yeah. He kind of identified that as the
17:59moment that things changed for you. But
18:00I guess when you were starring in these
18:02movies, TV shows, did you already kind
18:05of have the belief systems that you have
18:06now or was there like a singular moment?
18:08>> Well, I was just into like what I
18:09thought was true, you know, like every
18:12comic has to be looking at the truth cuz
18:14if you're not if you're not connected to
18:16the truth, you can't make a joke, right?
18:19So it's like music. You have to bounce
18:21it off the truth to make the irony the
18:24hyperbole. Like I'm actually a craftsman
18:25of comedy. I'm not like doing a thing,
18:28you know? And so if I let go of truth,
18:31it's not even that I'm this noble
18:32martyr. I'm like I It's like cutting out
18:34your tongue if you're a singer. I'm like
18:35I can't live with this new lie that
18:38there are bad words, you know? Like a
18:41word has intention.
18:43That's why I I went hard on that hill,
18:45too. And I'm not even a guy that's like
18:47that into like those words. I'm just
18:49like a word can't be bad. It's like
18:51saying a color is bad. Like it's a word.
18:54It's it's just an agreed upon sound cuz
18:57I'm always focused at intention. Like
18:59what's your intention? Cuz I'm big into
19:01communication. Like I like to use words
19:03that people understand. That's why I
19:04like to I wrote that book like that cuz
19:06I I know a lot of my parents were in
19:08academia and they like there's a type of
19:10person that likes to sound smart for
19:12status, but they're not communicating.
19:15They want to get you to go, "Oh, I don't
19:17understand. So that means I'm just going
19:18to go with you." Where I'm like, I want
19:20I need consent from you. I want you to
19:22understand everything I'm saying. Yeah,
19:24words words shouldn't be gatekept and
19:26like exactly reading levels shouldn't be
19:28gatekeep either. Um,
19:30but now that when I was saying I wasn't
19:31even joking, I'm like, dude, low IQ
19:33might be the move cuz like
19:34>> I used to think I was cool cuz I had
19:36high IQ and now I'm looking at all these
19:38paths all have high IQ's and I think
19:40high IQ can can make you trappable with
19:43like models in your head. like they can
19:46give you like a, you know, like the
19:47people I that are the most scared about
19:49climate change, a lot of them have super
19:50high IQs and they'll like recite all
19:52this math and I'm like, dude, it's all
19:54just like and then I know low IQ guys
19:56that are like they can just point [ __ ]
19:58out. They're like that just sounds like
19:59[ __ ] you [laughter] know? And I'm
20:02just like I'm like cuz like going
20:04through that furnace that I went through
20:06with the cancellation, which is
20:07literally the definition of a Holocaust
20:09is a burnt offering, right? That's what
20:11Holocaust means. That's why I used to
20:13sell mugs that said I survived the
20:14Holocaust and I got and it was a rainbow
20:17and I got kicked off a payment processor
20:18for that and now it would be fine
20:21because and I feel like I did. Everyone
20:23alive survived the historical event and
20:26their own personal holocausts.
20:28But anyway, when you go through one of
20:30those things, you start seeing
20:31identities where you're like, I am the
20:33smart guy. I'm the guy people like and
20:36like reputation can be an idol. And I I
20:38try to really watch out for that now.
20:40>> Reputation can be an idol. Tell me about
20:41that.
20:42>> Yeah, cuz I was like, people like me in
20:44Los Angeles. I get respect. Like I'm I'm
20:46considered a great comedian. It was all
20:48like wiped. And then imagine like you're
20:50like a nice dude. Like I battle more
20:53with codependence than narcissism. I'm
20:56like if you're happy, I feel happy. You
20:58know, so they're like you're now full of
21:00hate and you're evil. And I'm like it
21:04hurt. It was like my identity, but that
21:06wasn't really me, you know? Oh, then you
21:07start learning what identity is and
21:09you're like I see that trap with some of
21:11these white guys where they're like, "We
21:13built the cathedrals." I'm like, "Bro,
21:14you can't build [ __ ] Build some stairs
21:16with me. Come on." No,
21:17>> you're taking identity credit from [ __ ]
21:19you didn't do.
21:22>> You recently told your story on Tucker's
21:25podcast.
21:26>> Yeah.
21:27>> And this book we have here, How to Slay
21:29a Wizard, opens with a series of
21:31questions. Why do we call it spelling a
21:33word? Why is cursive called cursive? And
21:36why do we broadcast a television signal?
21:38>> Exactly.
21:39>> What does language have to do with
21:40magic?
21:41>> Every everything.
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22:24the podcast. What does language have to
22:26do with magic?
22:27>> Everything. Because magic needs you to
22:30believe it and do it. That's what you
22:31and Tucker were talking about that it's
22:32like speak like abracadabra fiat. I
22:36speak it into existence. And just like
22:39what I was talking about with words
22:40can't inherently be evil. It's the
22:42belief around the word and the sigil
22:44like the the charged nature of the word
22:46like the Nike swoosh. You look at the
22:49swoosh. You see Venus Williams, Michael
22:51Jordan, like all the things that you're
22:52programmed with with emotion. Like when
22:54I was in college, I walked into
22:55someone's room and there was a giant
22:57swastika, but he was from India, right?
22:59So that swastika is charged totally
23:01different to like a Hindu or a Buddhist
23:03person than like you know and so spell
23:07like grammar is from grimoir which is a
23:09book of spells,
23:11right? And so words like will get you to
23:15feel and believe and then you act in a
23:17way that brings it into reality. That's
23:19it's like reverse engineering reality
23:21where it's like I was telling this to
23:23one of my Jewish friends. I'm like you
23:24guys have been acting so persecuted for
23:26so long you're kind of bringing it into
23:28reality now, you know, where it's like
23:32if you if you use a word like the
23:34Patriot Act, right? So you have you have
23:36the emotion behind Patriot. You have
23:38like Thomas Jefferson, Alex Jones, a
23:40patriotic erection pills, you know, you
23:42got like these feelings, but it's about
23:44surveillance and like all these
23:45non-patriotic things. And those ironies
23:48are how spells work where you put a
23:50modifier. You use a word that gets it to
23:52go past your gate. Right? And that's why
23:56socially people don't like to stop and
23:58say, "What do you mean by that?" And I
23:59do that all the time. When someone's
24:01like, "Melting pot." I'm like, "What do
24:02you mean by melting pot? What does that
24:03mean to you? Does that mean like people
24:06shouldn't keep their way of life?"
24:07Right? Like what does melting pot mean?
24:09>> People love bus words. Like what is cis
24:12the spell thing? I've I've not heard
24:14many people talk about this online,
24:16which I think is interesting. Uh at
24:17least two audiences of young men or
24:20older men and I just want to understand
24:23it from a like series of behaviors or
24:26like a series of actions like maybe an
24:29autistic way of explaining it to me.
24:30Like if you were going to explain what a
24:32spell is to your son, like your youngest
24:33son, like what would you say?
24:35I I talk about how spelling like how
24:38mind control works when it you have uh
24:41trauma you have um I wouldn't say this
24:43to my son but like you know an autistic
24:46friend like you no but it's like you
24:48have roles where you do archetypes
24:50that's how Rome was ruled you know you
24:52have the archetypes of the hero and the
24:54fool and all that stuff and then people
24:56just start going along with it and you
24:58also have like social pressures you have
25:00hypnotism you have trance and all that
25:01and underlying it is identity right
25:04though you are. That's why I make fun of
25:08whites as much as black. I make fun of
25:10all identities because I'm trying to
25:12help people see it's not them. So like
25:14as a dot dot dot, right? So now you're
25:17saying the I am like I am this. I'm now
25:20connecting my existence to this and
25:24living men and women have real power
25:25with will, you know? So it's like what
25:27we can actually create and do things.
25:29And so a spell will get in your mind
25:33that's some like let's think of a good
25:35one. Um safe and effective, right? Safe
25:38and effective. The question I would ask
25:39is for who at what? Safe for who?
25:43Effective at what is it? Is it
25:45population control? Is it sterilization?
25:48Right? Is it like because that the
25:50spells have to have some truth in it
25:51because we resonate with truth. So with
25:54safe and effective,
25:56you don't want to kill your grandmother,
25:58right? So, a spell would be, okay, a
26:01World War I, the white feather. If you
26:03didn't want to fight in the war, they
26:04they would give you a white feather,
26:05which meant you were a coward and women
26:07would treat you badly. That's the spell,
26:10you know, uh the the AIDS spell. You
26:12have the the ribbon that shows that you
26:15believe, and then you have the AIDS
26:16quilt, right? Then you have Fouchy
26:18feeding you, which all the symptoms are
26:21AIDS, right? So, you take gay dudes that
26:24are partying way too hard. They're
26:25feeling a lot of shame and they're like,
26:27"Yeah, I do feel kind of exhausted. It's
26:29definitely not the method. It must be an
26:32exterior thing. I should get some some
26:34help for that. I should get some pills.
26:36Yeah, I have a disease." And the pills
26:37get you sick. That's literally what AIDS
26:40was. And then you have the guy that
26:42survives it named Magic Johnson. Like
26:45magical penis. Like ma and Greg Luganis.
26:48>> Same exact time. This sounds disjointed,
26:50but follow me. same exact time. AIDS is
26:53a diet pill being advertised in the 80s.
26:56So they're like AIDS will kill you.
26:58Swear to God there's all these
26:59commercials going, "Have you tried AIDS?
27:02AIDS will get your figure." Because
27:03that's I I call it polarity seating
27:05where you get two contradictory things
27:07going so people get exhausted and they
27:09shut down. And the whole point of a
27:11spell is to give over authority. I'll
27:14let you handle it. Agency. That's why I
27:16had an agent, right? You have my agency
27:18now. You can speak for me. corpus
27:21eration corporation the words of the
27:23dead you speak for me right and then
27:25that's the only way they get power
27:26that's why I'm so optimistic I'm like
27:28they don't do anything like I think the
27:31future's super bright I know that it's
27:33daunting you know when you guys were
27:35talking about uh palenteer and you know
27:37that's why little things like I say
27:38palenquer and people get mad but you
27:40just smiled like it takes the fang out
27:43cuz I grew up with gay and queer meant
27:45weak right it didn't mean like deep down
27:49are you attracted to him. It just meant
27:51weak. It meant like, "Oh, I I don't I
27:53can't work outside today. It's raining."
27:55It's like, "That's gay, right? It's
27:57shaming weak behavior." And that's why
27:59they tried to pull that word out because
28:01when you promote victim consciousness,
28:03you make slaves. You see what I'm
28:05saying?
28:06>> So, you're saying a spell is like a
28:08series of rhetoric designed at giving
28:11another person authority over the
28:13>> Exactly. It's about It's about slavery.
28:15That's why the thing that you asked me
28:16what I said, what Kanye said that blew
28:19the world away was not about Jews or
28:21anything. It's that slavery is a choice.
28:24Boom. That's when it they were like,
28:25"Shut it down. He's insane." Cuz it is a
28:28choice. Slavery is easy. You go, "No,
28:32you decide everything and I will give
28:34you my labor. You make all the choices."
28:37I felt that way. Like I sometimes miss
28:39having an agent. I'm like, "Oh yeah,
28:41talk to the Jewish guy about the money.
28:43I don't care about that. He handles
28:45everything. I don't think about that. I
28:47don't need to fix my car. I don't need
28:48to grow my food. I don't need to raise
28:50my kids. It's easy, right? Slavery is a
28:53choice. And so, if you're dealing with a
28:56population where they say competition is
28:58the only sin, Rockefeller, it's a quote.
29:00You want people to choose that like, oh
29:05no, I'm I'm nothing. I'm a speck of dust
29:07in an infinite vacuum spinning and my
29:09ancestors are [ __ ] monkeys. Right.
29:11Right. But when you say it clearly, it's
29:13ridiculous.
29:14And it's not cuz I don't know the
29:16science. 186,000 miles, 240,000
29:20miles away. The sun is 93,000 miles
29:23away. There's pulsar as my I know what
29:26they're saying, but I also know why. And
29:28I don't think very many people are in on
29:29it. I don't think you need that many
29:31people at all.
29:32>> Something I think would be useful for
29:34the entirety of this conversation. Uh,
29:36are you familiar with I'm not sure if
29:39you watched the entirety of Tucker's not
29:40his podcast, but uh, we talked about he
29:43said the X-ray theory where like you
29:44look at things in the reverse contrast.
29:46>> Dude, genius. I said that on Rogan. I
29:49said I say things and the sonar beeps
29:52back at me and the lies are where I see
29:54where things are.
29:55>> And he was talking about that when you
29:56look at the lies connecting cuz why
29:59would someone behave that way? They're
30:00covering like people covering something
30:03is where I see the problem. Like for
30:05example, I would be a lot more willing
30:06to believe in the moon landing if people
30:08are like, "I totally see why you think
30:10that." But no, actually, we went there.
30:12But I totally get why you think that. I
30:14mean, how can you do a tilt up 240,000
30:16mi away 1969 and like live television
30:19with no camera operator,
30:21>> but we could. But I totally No, it's the
30:24gaslighting. You're insane. You ate a
30:26pop brownie once. I'm like, nah. Like I
30:28don't have a fear response. Maybe it's
30:30autism, but I'm like interesting. Like I
30:32don't I don't go, "Oh, I should socially
30:35correct myself." I'm like, "Why is that
30:37not acceptable?" You know? It's
30:40interesting too that something I've
30:42noticed in terms of the you jab your
30:44opponent to see where they jab back is
30:46like
30:47>> if I say something in too like wordy,
30:50too intellectual, too like uh not
30:54emotionally driven of a way, nothing
30:57really happens. But it's like when I say
30:59something that is said in the right way,
31:01that's like when people are mad about
31:03it. You know what I mean? Like, but it's
31:05also effective. Rhetoric points at the
31:07truth. It's not true. Like I can tell
31:09you have kind of a dialectic mind.
31:10You're like, if you just say the exact
31:12truth, people, they kind of like don't
31:14even listen. But if you say it a little
31:16charged, that's why I put race and
31:17identity in all these things cuz it
31:20gives energy to something, but my
31:22dialectic isn't even like hateful. It's
31:24like the point I'm making works, but the
31:26energy
31:27>> exactly
31:28>> spreads it.
31:29>> And so what I consider evil is when they
31:30use rhetoric and they do a complete 180.
31:33Like when I say some of these things,
31:35uh, you know, family is wealth, money is
31:37debt, it's not exactly true, but it's
31:39rhetorically pointing at the truth. It's
31:42like mostly because rhetoric can't be
31:43exactly true. Like the best rhetoric,
31:47you know, it it it it evokes emotion. It
31:50evokes a metaphor. There's there's an
31:52element of like novelty, you know, it's
31:54like an art versus like just explaining
31:56like I could tell you wanted me to just
31:58exactly explain what a spell is. And I
32:00love that.
32:01>> Um, but it's together is the
32:04communication where you have the the the
32:06core of the thing you're trying to say,
32:08but human beings, they like emotion,
32:10baby. Come on. You got to sell it with
32:12the red dress. [laughter]
32:13>> That's why that cartoon
32:15>> kept going viral. They kept deleting it.
32:16Kept going viral because it's just so
32:18true. And you can tell I don't hate
32:19anybody. You see that one with
32:21>> pull pot.
32:22>> So I I do a card I'm just doing a rant
32:24and this dude used to just animate all
32:26of them and it's about an event in the
32:2840s but it's not even about is it true
32:30or not. It's about uh selling it as a
32:32brand.
32:33>> And so Pa's like I have a genocide. I
32:36kill million of people with my gun. How
32:38come no one talks about it? It's like
32:40cuz you got to make movies baby. You got
32:42to get a girl in a red dress. You got
32:43shoes. You know, and he's like, "If you
32:46want to make lasting money on your
32:48genocide, you got to brand it, baby. You
32:50need to remind repetition." You know,
32:53everybody knows that they'd never leave
32:54their shoes at a party, right? Well,
32:56that's why it's piles of shoes
32:58>> cuz you can leave a jacket. You
33:01eyeglasses and shoes you never leave
33:03somewhere. You look at shoes, you go
33:05that the soul of a shoe. Like that's
33:07called Twilight language, right? Like
33:10Ellen Degenerate Bernie made off with
33:12your money, right? It's like you don't
33:13think these things matter, but they do.
33:15Rem is near. Death is near. It's like
33:17sounds like it on a subconscious level.
33:20You're like, "Ah."
33:22Right.
33:23>> Because the spells only work if they
33:25play with your identity a little bit.
33:27>> Yes. That's why, dude, the last chapter
33:28of my book, I don't mind spoiling. It's
33:30a uh is the spell behind all the spells
33:34is that you are not enough. Because I
33:36did this map of like I want to get to
33:38primary lies because you have these lies
33:41and I know plenty of good people that
33:42believe tons of lies. I still right now
33:45definitely believe a lie that I don't
33:46know. Right. And it's like
33:48>> I think about that a lot.
33:49[clears throat]
33:49>> Yeah. Right. Like right now what is it
33:52that I don't see? Right. Or right now my
33:54thing is is to try to just always be
33:56grateful and not like [ __ ] and complain
33:58and say like that's what I keep catching
34:00myself doing
34:01>> where I'm like dude is my thumb really
34:03that hurt? like I'm breathing with my
34:06family in paradise. You know what I
34:07mean? But um the primary lie to get
34:10everyone to believe this stuff is the
34:12same in market. Oh dude, spell
34:13spellcasting is marketing, right? Is you
34:16get someone to think they're not enough,
34:19right? You you you know you're not the
34:20best a man can get. You need Gillette,
34:22right? You need like you're broken,
34:25you're an accident, right? And that then
34:28you believe all this stuff like the
34:29world is chaos. this dude in a
34:31wheelchair that definitely died 50 years
34:33ago that definitely, you know, he has a
34:35he has a neurological disorder and he's
34:37the smartest guy in the world, right?
34:40Stephen Hawking, you ever you see that
34:41bit where he's like talking in the
34:43translator that I did?
34:45>> It got like 30 million views or like
34:47people are
34:48>> Do you think he's a real person? Stephen
34:49Hawking?
34:50>> I don't know logistically how they do
34:52that, but I don't think the original
34:54Stephen Hawking is the guy, dude. The
34:56average ALS is 5 years and you're dead.
34:59Not only that, it affects your brain. So
35:02like the smartest man in the world that
35:04just decoded that there's no God has a a
35:07brain disease so bad he can't speak, but
35:09yet he's on Epstein Island, right? Cuz
35:11when you one thing I see about lies is
35:13they start piling on perversions. So a
35:15guy that can only move his pinky for 50
35:17years is watching midgets do math on
35:19Epstein Island like no.
35:21>> He also like cheated on his wife and
35:24then cheated on the girl that he
35:25remarried.
35:26>> Yeah, there's there's no chance. They're
35:27just piling on emotional rhetoric.
35:29They're like, "And he's banging and
35:31there's violent, you know,
35:32>> because it's embarrassment." And the
35:33embarrassment makes it more believable.
35:35>> And they they feel they own the brand,
35:37so they can just play with it like a
35:38toy, right? They're like, "No, we own
35:40Stephen Hawking."
35:42>> Do you think he's a puppet?
35:44>> I don't I It's a I don't know how that
35:46works. I I He could be. I mean, he's
35:48literally just does this. Like, there's
35:50almost no movement, but if I say it's
35:53like a wax puppet, it's like that's
35:56pretty crazy sounding. Like, I have I
35:58can self-reflect, you know, like is that
36:00not a real guy? Is that like a puppet?
36:03But like, or is it a guy playing or is
36:05it just another ALS guy or like somebody
36:08in a mask? I don't know. I mean,
36:11statistically, Stephen Hawking living 50
36:13years is 0%.
36:16Right. So it's like, you know, COVID,
36:18it's like one in a hundred people. So
36:19shut down the account. So if something's
36:210%, I can't be skeptical of that, right?
36:25Like imagine if someone's like, "Oh
36:26yeah, he got pancreatic cancer at three
36:28and he's 90." You'd be like, "What? How
36:29did he do that?" Like, "Do we have a
36:31cure?" They'd be like, "Oh no, no,
36:32that's anti-semitism, right?" It's like
36:34because and another thing is is the
36:36messaging is so mindcrolly. It's like
36:40there is no God. You are a mistake. It's
36:44all chaos, right? So, why would someone
36:47do that? It's why would an abusive
36:49parent say, "You're nothing. You're
36:51stupid. No one will ever love you.
36:52You're" Because it's power.
36:54>> Because if you know you're enough, if
36:56you know you're created properly and
36:57there is like a benevolent God, however
36:59you view that, I'm not even like banging
37:01on books or anything. You're way less
37:03likely to be controlled. You have
37:05something to live for. You're like,
37:06"There is a fair balance in this world.
37:08This world is a gift." If it's nihilism,
37:10you're like, "Why not chop off my dick,
37:12right? Why not give you all my money?
37:14Why not pretend that we're playing golf
37:17on the moon? Like, because nothing
37:18matters. The theory of relativity,
37:21nothing matters if everything's
37:23relative. That dude banged his cousin.
37:25>> Talking about Einstein.
37:26>> Yeah, dude. He procreated with his
37:29cousin and then banged uh her sister and
37:32I think he like put him in a mental
37:34institution. That guy's a piece of [ __ ]
37:37E equals MC². Einstein equals married
37:40cousin twice. That's I don't I don't
37:41know if that's a spell, but I just think
37:43that's funny. [laughter]
37:45>> We'll talk about Einstein in a bit.
37:46Actually,
37:47>> he sucks so bad. I can't stand Einstein.
37:50>> I was curious if you'd be able to
37:52demonstrate this concept for me. Like,
37:55if you were going to
37:57use words to make people afraid of you
37:59or use words to manipulate people's
38:01emotions right now,
38:03>> like how would you go about that?
38:05>> Give me a scenario. Like, okay, so
38:08imagine you want everyone listening to
38:10this to think that their partner or the
38:12person they love the most doesn't care
38:14about them. So, if I and I asked you
38:16this question,
38:17>> what's a sign the person you care about
38:18the most doesn't really care about you?
38:20What might you say?
38:21>> Well, I mean, if I was like a
38:23manipulative piece of [ __ ] I would
38:24start citing stats.
38:26I'd be like, you know, the stats are 71%
38:31of women are actively talking to their
38:33ex-boy. like just start seeding all that
38:35stuff and then do basic behaviors that
38:37women do and say that that clinical
38:39studies like appeal to an authority
38:42clinical studies four out of five women
38:43whatever it is like the Edward Bnee [ __ ]
38:45that that behavior means something bad
38:48and since all women are doing that and
38:50then if you get mad at them while
38:52they're doing it will create that world
38:55think about that that's how a spell
38:56works so like let's say I say that if
38:58she's on her phone that means she's you
39:00know I do something where you just get
39:02slightly paranoid Right.
39:03>> And so then you start being like, "What
39:05are you doing over there?" And then in
39:07her mind, she's like, "What's up with
39:08Jack, man?" You know, and then she
39:10starts detaching a little bit, which
39:12like makes it like you think you're
39:14right. So then you start changing and
39:16then you actually start like distancing,
39:18>> right?
39:19>> That's the spell, right? That's that's
39:21how it work. Like I see it with like
39:23even though I do a lot of provocative
39:24race stuff, I see stuff like that
39:26racially all the time. Like if you
39:27treat, let's say you treat a black guy
39:29like he's definitely a criminal and he's
39:32not, he's just going to be like he's
39:34going to start getting pissed off and
39:36then he's going to start feeling like
39:37it's unfair and eventually there's a
39:39chance he'll be like I might as well.
39:40You've given me this identity.
39:42>> Exactly.
39:43>> Like I felt that way. I felt twes of
39:44that when I'm the man of hate. I'm like,
39:47who [ __ ] cares? You already gave me
39:48this identity. What's the point? Like I
39:50will just I then I hate you,
39:52>> you you know, and then I'm like, but I
39:53that's the reaction is like they're
39:55trying to uh that's when I got more
39:58loving. That's the true anti-semitism is
40:01just productivity and love
40:03[laughter]
40:04like anti-semitism. Semite is Arabs,
40:07>> right? So that spell kicked off in
40:09Seinfeld. No one was using that before
40:11the episode where his uncle kept calling
40:14everyone an anti-semite. Laugh track is
40:16appeal to consensus, right? So you're
40:19like, am I the only one that doesn't
40:20find this funny? Everyone else is
40:22laughing. Like we're we're trained that
40:24like if we're kicked out of the
40:25community that's like the worst thing
40:27ever. Everyone's laughing with me so
40:29this must be funny. And he keeps being
40:32like you're an anti-semite. And it was
40:33seen as a joke. It was like [ __ ]
40:35Like what is anti-semit? No one even
40:36knew what the word meant. And Semite
40:39means Palestinian,
40:41right? So it's like I see when things
40:44get real twisted, it's always the
40:45opposite. Like the the root of the word
40:47racist is another insane inversion.
40:50General Pratt and the Union Army,
40:52they're slaughtering American Indians.
40:54Let's say in Irakquoy were like, "We we
40:57pray to coyote. We speak this way." They
41:00called that racist. They're like, "If
41:01you don't melt with the whites, like if
41:03you keep your race, that's evil." So
41:06like the identity of being a an American
41:10Indian in a confederacy. And then and
41:12then Trosky ran with it. He's like, "We
41:14can run with this with the Russian
41:16Empire. we get the, you know, the
41:17Estonians and the Lafians and and then
41:19if you get that tension
41:22control versus a confederacy where you
41:24can all sit sit down as people with a
41:26way of life, but you all have equal
41:28souls and you all like respect each
41:29other based on your morality. You're
41:31fine.
41:32>> You're saying that racism was coined
41:35when Native Americans like generals were
41:38trying to get them
41:39>> to kill Native Americans.
41:40>> It wasn't to get them to uh like get
41:42into our population or like mel merge
41:45with us. you no longer have your way of
41:46life. And don't get me wrong, I'm not
41:48backing the wagon burners. You know what
41:49I mean? I'm just kidding. But like, it's
41:51just ironic. It's just when you look at
41:53it mathematically, it's an irony that
41:56like an Elizabeth Warren type who's
41:58claiming to be 130th Cherokee, the word
42:01racist was to eliminate the Cherokee
42:03identity. Not Yeah. It's not. But it
42:06wasn't to say you're better than people.
42:08Like cuz I am actually against someone
42:10saying because of my skin color I'm
42:12inherently better than usually that
42:13means the person's a loser, right?
42:15because they're trying to appeal to
42:16something they haven't done. It's like
42:18parasitic behavior. But you have a right
42:20to say I have kin, I have history, I
42:23have a language, I have a way of life,
42:24and I don't want to change that. And
42:26that's what racist originally meant.
42:27Just like anti-semite is an inversion.
42:29All this [ __ ] is an inversion. It's kind
42:31of funny. One reason I can see this is
42:33cuz it's written like jokes. Like the
42:36devil's a comedian. I'm like I I see
42:39this as like joke structure. You know
42:42>> on that portion you said something along
42:44the lines of that there has to be some
42:46truth to some of these spells.
42:48>> Absolutely. Always.
42:50>> Why? Because we're this is the good
42:52news. I think we're all naturally pulled
42:55to the truth. I think the human
42:57condition although sometimes we can feel
43:00like oh man I suck. Or like why do
43:02people do these horrible things? I think
43:05most people want work that they can be
43:07proud of. They want to be respected.
43:08They want to they're pulled towards
43:10morality. they're pulled towards the
43:11hero story, you know, and so unless you
43:13have that, unless you have that
43:15resonance with something true, it's
43:17nakedly absurd. It's like, but that's
43:20how I see Stephen Hawking out, right?
43:21Like I see so much as nakedly absurd.
43:23Like sometimes I try to be pragmatic,
43:25but I'm like, guys, like this is [ __ ]
43:28[ __ ] Like, [clears throat]
43:30like what are you do? Like margarine,
43:32right? They're like, "Butter's bad for
43:35you. We're gonna give you all these
43:37chemicals that literally give you cancer
43:39and you're gonna pay us and like what?
43:42Like Bill Bill Gates gets awards for
43:46lowering the population of the world at
43:49scale. Like that's what the population
43:51award from the UN is. And he's a
43:53convicted criminal who has designed a
43:57system where he creates viruses and then
43:59sells software to get rid of viruses.
44:01Why would you inject something in your
44:03body from that guy? Like that's like
44:05like it's like a guy from a shadow like
44:08it's like what?
44:10You know what I mean?
44:11>> It's interesting. Yeah. It seems like uh
44:13the people who present some of these
44:15ideas are like the antithesis to the
44:19person who should be presenting the
44:20ideas that you would listen to.
44:21>> They're empty vest. That's why I don't
44:22even blame them. I think the high higher
44:24up you go, the more they're like not
44:25even there. They like aren't thinking or
44:28doing. They're like gone,
44:30>> you know? I don't like imagine if Bill
44:32like Bill Gates can't be like us. He
44:34can't imagine if Bill Gates is like I
44:36don't think pandas are real. They'd
44:37probably kill him in 10 minutes. Like
44:39that's why money isn't wealth. They take
44:41all his money immediately. Like look at
44:42Kanye. He says three things. He's no
44:44longer a black billionaire. Bang.
44:47>> Cuz it's it is illusionary. It's like
44:50you get to have like this money but
44:52we'll take it. But then if you actually
44:54are productive and and apply service and
44:56I saw that cuz I didn't crash. I'm
44:58actually doing pretty well now because
44:59like I I kept thinking like what's going
45:02to make my audience laugh? How am I
45:03going to teach people like and now I
45:05have loyalty and people pay me and it's
45:07like it's great like cuz they can't
45:10control the thing that that was
45:12threatening about me is I realize you
45:14could do a standup comedy special in a
45:15in a field of grass
45:18because the spell is theater comedy
45:21club. I'm like, "Dude, my audience built
45:23me as like a stage and it looks as good
45:26as a Netflix thing and it's in a
45:28hayfield in Missouri in the middle of
45:29nowhere." Like, that's shocking to
45:33people that are that run on Bre. Dude,
45:34they put a square on their head and wear
45:36a dress and they're like, "This makes me
45:38smart. I have a square on my head." Like
45:40a square on your head. And I have a
45:42college degree, but you put a [ __ ]
45:43square on your head.
45:46Why do you think it's a square? It's a
45:48mason board. That's why when people are
45:50always making fun of Masons, I'm like,
45:51>> "That was just random. I didn't expect
45:53anything there."
45:53>> No, no, it's a mason board. It's all
45:55like masonry is the whole thing. It's
45:57like all universities are all masonry.
45:59And some of it isn't even bad. It's like
46:01the metaphor of you're building a
46:03structure of the mind or whatever. And
46:05then you have the nefarious aspects. But
46:07yeah, that's where you put the This is
46:09why being a a jack of all trades is cool
46:11because I've done masonry. You have this
46:13[ __ ] square and that's where you put
46:15your your [ __ ] that you make everything.
46:17And then I looked into it and it
46:18literally is that
46:20>> I don't know how to ask about this
46:21properly, but
46:22>> when you think about the people doing
46:24these spells,
46:25>> yeah,
46:27>> like how would I figure out where where
46:29it's coming from? Like who knows how to
46:31do this?
46:31>> Well, that's the thing. It's it's you
46:32can locally look at it and I do think
46:34it's spiritual like what you and Tucker.
46:36I just can't explain it, but I think
46:38it's a world you can't see. But I don't
46:41know how to like describe that or like
46:43be an expert at that. But like,
46:45>> do you share the similar view to Tucker
46:46that it's angels and demons and people
46:48are channeling those things?
46:49>> Those are those are, you know, I I grew
46:51up in a town where the Catholic churches
46:53were nuts. So, it's like I understand if
46:54people recoil from words like angels and
46:56demons, but like yeah, I think there's
46:58entities you don't see that either have
47:00benevolent or malevolent intentions.
47:02>> I think sometimes like what he was
47:04saying about, you know, the Greeks
47:05called it u a muse, you know, it's like
47:08to inspire means to have a spirit in
47:10you, you know. It's like, and that
47:11happens to me all the time. Like, as an
47:13artist, like that whole pull pot
47:15cartoon, I don't even remember. I just
47:17was saying the dialogue as it happened
47:19and someone just did it. Like, I've done
47:21that with classical music and stuff.
47:23Where's it coming from, you know? Dude,
47:25and then you get into the brain. The top
47:27brain people don't know what the [ __ ] a
47:29brain is. They're like, it's so funny.
47:31My buddy just was at the Mayo Clinic for
47:33some crazy [ __ ] And the guy's like, "We
47:35don't know. It could be this or maybe
47:37not." It's like I think it's a receiver.
47:40So, from my experience, and this is why
47:43I was having a great chat with Bill
47:45Xarion and Tucker and some of these guys
47:46that have been in those circles, and
47:48I've been in those circles, they're not
47:50as impressive as people think. Like,
47:52some of those top guys are like, in my
47:54opinion, they're vessels. There's some
47:56impressive, very rich people, but some
47:58of those guys are just like, they just
48:01seem so vacated that like some highlevel
48:03[ __ ] is in there.
48:05>> Like what?
48:06>> I don't know. like an intention because
48:08for me like evil to me on a human level
48:10is short. It's like, oh, I'm scared. I'm
48:13gonna eat the brownie. You know, it's
48:14like short. It's not like a 150year plan
48:17to do some crazy [ __ ] You know, human
48:20evil is typically fear and weakness,
48:22right? That's what sin means. Miss the
48:23mark, debt, weakness.
48:25There's the type of evil where it's like
48:28one thing I don't equate with evil is
48:29patience. Like human evil doesn't like
48:32sit around and wait, right? They're
48:34like, you know, and so what is that? I
48:37don't know. Maybe there's no demons or
48:38angels, but like to me logically it
48:40seems like an architecture,
48:43you know? And I think like not sleeping
48:45enough brings that in. That's why I
48:47think meth is so [ __ ] for people. Like
48:48I think if you don't sleep enough, you
48:50start being like, why was that thought
48:52in my head? You ever have that? You
48:53don't sleep for like a day and a half
48:54and you're in the grocery store. And
48:56sometimes I'll think like a guy sucks
48:59just for no reason. And I'm like, I'm
49:00not that guy. What the [ __ ] was that?
49:02>> Right? Like where was that thought from?
49:06>> You know Jerry Marzinski?
49:07>> No, I don't.
49:08>> He's a a psychiatrist that was in
49:10prisons. You know that there's a movie
49:12called uh
49:13>> what's that called? It's Notorious or
49:15Nefarious.
49:16>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
49:17>> Angel Studios. That was basically his
49:19life. So he's he he goes in there, he
49:21starts asking the schizophrenics what
49:22the voices are saying and no one else
49:24was asking them. And he's like, "Dude,
49:26they're corroborating. Like this is
49:28weird." and he he started realizing that
49:30they're like two schizophrenics could
49:32see the same shadow guy and he's like
49:35very secular and I had him on my
49:36podcast. It was fascinating. It's like
49:39it's like sometime and then they they
49:41like drugs and sleep deprivation,
49:43exhaustion, right? Working so hard,
49:46contradicting thoughts because when you
49:48get tired, you're like you give away
49:50agency. Oh, why don't someone else take
49:51the wheel? I'm tired. And then I don't
49:54know what the the system is. I don't
49:55know. I would I would love to have more
49:57of like a religious doctrine that I know
50:00is true. I have like deep faith, but I
50:03don't know the structure, you know? I
50:04don't trust the Catholic priest, you
50:06know? But I think their demon [ __ ] is
50:08more valid than a lot of the psychiatry
50:10[ __ ]
50:10>> You at least think it's a helpful
50:12framework.
50:12>> Oh, yeah. I think it's way better than
50:14the current DSM whatever framework.
50:17Yeah. Like I have a buddy that was a
50:18crack addict that's like he he swears he
50:21knows the whole thing. He's like there's
50:22low-level demons that are just like shut
50:24up. they were just like impulsive. And
50:26then there's higher up ones that are
50:27like,
50:28>> I want you to go to this address, you
50:30know, and there's almost like a
50:31hierarchy of them.
50:33>> And then I think angels are subtle and
50:35they're synchronistic where you just
50:36like it's like a little wink. You just
50:38see something, you're like, how did that
50:39all work out? I think angels aren't
50:41loud. I think it's just like these these
50:44subtle beauties that happen, you know?
50:48>> That's an interesting one. Um, I wanted
50:51to ask you, I usually don't challenge
50:53people uh on their beliefs, but
50:55>> challenge me, bro. Come on.
50:56>> I I think you're one of the only people
50:59I've had on that has this belief that uh
51:02debt is slavery and you have this belief
51:05that the big trick is making you believe
51:09that you're not enough. But also, you
51:11seem to have a monotheistic belief in
51:14God. And a lot of people point to the
51:16fact that original sin
51:17>> I'm not an original sin guy and I've had
51:19debate. Yeah. I my mom was almost gonna
51:22be a nun. She went to like a Jesuit
51:24masters in theology. She was like she
51:26said that when her first son was born
51:28she was like this baby isn't flawed. And
51:30so when I was baptized she called it
51:32entrance into Christian community. And I
51:35understand that we live in a fallen
51:36world and like, you know, that we can
51:39sin and we we have the ability because
51:43of free will to be real [ __ ] up and
51:45maybe that's a form of original sin or
51:47something, but I don't think we're born
51:49I don't think God made a mistake with
51:50our our our structure. I I I actually
51:54don't have that contradictory belief.
51:55And I've had people be like, "That means
51:57you're not Christian." I'm like, "Fine.
51:58I don't have identities." Like I I
52:01actually resonate a lot with the Bible,
52:02but like if someone wants to call me
52:04that because I don't think a baby needs
52:06to have water sprinkled on his head from
52:08a guy I know for a fact molested my
52:10neighbor. Like okay, like fact,
52:14you know, and you know, it's like that
52:16that doesn't mean they're all like that.
52:17I actually respect Catholic
52:18architecture, music, and a lot of it.
52:21But it's like, you know, I don't need
52:22him. I think baptism should be choice
52:25because like it's kind of like
52:26circumcision. It's like if you can't
52:28choose it, it's like dude kind of my
52:31call, right?
52:32>> You're just coming at the wing.
52:36>> This is an interesting one for you. Uh
52:37you talk about this idea that it's not
52:39any one group. You talk about the fact
52:41that it's like a behavior that is
52:45>> I don't know doesn't have the best
52:46interest of other people in mind.
52:48>> Like
52:50>> what do you think is the cause of that
52:52behavior? And like you said that if
52:55truth I if things are only funny when
52:58there's truth there then like how can
52:59stereotypes exist? Like do you think
53:01it's deeprooted cultural uh programming
53:04that leads to certain behaviors? You
53:06know like Christians all read the Bible
53:08and maybe there's some subliminal things
53:09in there that leads to consistent
53:11behaviors of those groups. Like what do
53:13you think?
53:13>> I think each race has predispositions to
53:16different types of evil but most
53:18stereotypes are just based on a
53:19combination of genetics and culture I
53:21think. But usually when I'm doing a bit,
53:23it's not even like a a condemnation of
53:26of the racer. Like for example, like if
53:29you have like black predisposition, it's
53:30more flow state where it's like just
53:32take the bike, right? And white would be
53:34like cuck and act like a vampire, right?
53:36It's like it's like and I think it's
53:38weather related where it's like if you
53:39have an eight-month winter, the worst
53:41thing possible is to be kicked out of
53:43the tribe. So you're going to go along
53:45with the most evil [ __ ] and you're going
53:46to hoard everything like a little
53:48vampire, right? And that's like white.
53:50And that is evil. like there that white
53:52evil of being like a coward and like a
53:55hoarder is crazy. And then I think more
53:58equatorial regions where you have food
54:00everywhere and there's never a winner,
54:02the the evil would be more like just
54:04grab that [ __ ] like now, right? And then
54:08you have like like I have some Mexican
54:10buddies. I'm like you guys are really
54:12into blood and weird [ __ ] with like you
54:14know like hanging someone from a bridge.
54:16Like to me that's like pretty intense.
54:18But I get it. They like the shock, the
54:19trauma. But I think each race isn't like
54:22no race is more bad or good. It's just
54:26like it's just a different Achilles
54:28heel. Like like what Tucker was talking
54:31about how he doesn't battle greed. Like
54:32I don't battle envy at all. I love when
54:34people are awesome. I battle gluttony
54:38and occasionally wrath. I used to battle
54:40lust. I own it all now. But some people
54:42that's all they battle is like lust and
54:44envy. I don't ever feel envy. But I
54:47dude, but when my wife bakes [ __ ] that's
54:49organic, I'm like, "No, it's organic.
54:51I'll eat [ __ ] all of it." You know,
54:52and that's no good. You know, like
54:54gluttony is kind of a It's kind of like
54:56what a white guy move where you're like,
54:58"I'm going to eat all this [ __ ]
54:59Winter's coming."
55:01[laughter]
55:01And so that's why it has to be
55:02behavioral because evil switches hats
55:04constantly. They rebrand, right? As soon
55:06as you think like the bad guys are the
55:08Quakers that switch the hat. It's the
55:11Protestant. Like the Protestants and the
55:12Catholics fought in Ireland and they
55:15were convinced the other side was the
55:17bad guy. Right.
55:18>> Right.
55:18>> The minute you start saying they're the
55:20bad guy, you're already participating.
55:23Like what part of you is the thing you
55:26think you hate.
55:27>> Right. That's like the the Muslims call
55:30it like that's what jihad kind of means
55:31is the internal war even though some of
55:33them go nuts. But it's like what part of
55:35you is weak is the real fight. That's
55:37the evil. And then when the evil
55:39presents itself, like do you want this?
55:42If you've dealt with your own thing, you
55:44don't engage in it. Like you get rid of
55:45mice by covering the grain. You can't
55:47like go with the mice. You eliminate the
55:50environment that is conducive to that.
55:52So we really are responsible for it.
55:55Like they aren't doing anything to us.
55:57Like we don't need to watch pornography,
55:59you know? It's like you have to like
56:00click and watch. It's like because as
56:02soon as you say you made me do it, you
56:04give them god status. Like you give them
56:06agency. you go. That's why it's great to
56:09call out people and break the liability
56:11shield, but they don't make us fight
56:13wars.
56:14>> Mhm.
56:15>> Like, you know, and the spell is you're
56:16protecting your mother, you're
56:17protecting your father, revenge for the
56:19building, you know, so because you need
56:21good people make good warriors. Like
56:23cowards don't make good good warriors,
56:25but eventually you go, I'm not going to
56:27fight someone based on the color of
56:28their uniform, right? And that's the
56:30choice. That's what I keep trying to
56:32tell people. It's like, don't fight the
56:33war. Don't get dependent. Have a garden.
56:36have your own children cuz then there's
56:37no vessel, there's no vector to get you,
56:40>> right?
56:40>> I know it's intense, but that's like if
56:42people really look at that, it's crazy
56:45freeing,
56:46>> huh?
56:47I want to ask after you got cancelled,
56:49you left Hollywood, and now you raise
56:52your own animals, uh, grow your own
56:54food.
56:55>> Yep.
56:55>> And you said that everything clicked,
56:57uh, once you owned a farm. So, let me
56:59ask you, what does having a farm teach
57:02you about how the world actually works?
57:04>> I do. That's why Thomas Jefferson,
57:05farmer and lawyer. I want my kids to be
57:08like to have legal degrees and be
57:09farmers cuz that's the whole structure
57:11cuz it's all farming. It's like, okay,
57:14you want the grain. That's what you
57:16can't make a cow do anything. It's about
57:18the the grain, right? And then you get
57:21them in debt and then you milk the
57:23future. Like you get that that's why
57:25debt money is debt because anything in
57:27the future that you have to pay comes
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58:22back to the podcast. Money is debt
58:24because anything in the future that you
58:26have to pay comes off your kids. The
58:28milk goes to their kids that we're
58:30taking, right? And we take the
58:33sustenance in exchange for the the the
58:36grain. And then it's like it's
58:39fascinating how it works. You you
58:40rotate. You literally gatekeep, right?
58:43So I keep the gate of this pasture until
58:45the grass is mowed down and then I move
58:48the gates. Oh, now we can make fun of
58:49these people. Oh, now this. and you're
58:51just rotating the crop to keep enough
58:54conflict. I actually have empathy for
58:57the controller. That's the funniest
58:58thing. The management class I like get
58:59now. I'm like they're trying to keep it
59:02so things are just like in constant
59:04conflict and don't fall apart. And I
59:08think it's our job to be noble within
59:10that system and not mess with them. Just
59:12be good as us, you know, cuz when people
59:15give up autonomy, they're they're crazy.
59:18Like these spells just keep them in that
59:19zone where they just don't go nuts.
59:22>> You said that we should not mess with
59:23them. Is that what you said?
59:24>> No. No. No. It's not they not mess with
59:26them. I understand their pain.
59:29They're farmers of man, right? So they
59:32they're literally farming the labor of
59:35man using gates, grain, all this stuff
59:38that I use with, you know, it's
59:39broadcasting seeds. It's all the same
59:41terminology. And I that's why when
59:43people are like, you know, only
59:44governments would be in on it. I'm like,
59:46me and my neighbor are like have a whole
59:49different life than our cows.
59:51>> Like we're farmers. Like every
59:54government's a farmer. They're all
59:55social engineers that keep society. They
59:58keep that going. And it's up to us just
1:00:00to be better people. You get the
1:00:01government you deserve. You want to give
1:00:02up your autonomy, they'll keep making
1:00:04more and more [ __ ] spells and laws.
1:00:06If you want to be noble and moral, you
1:00:08don't need a government. You don't need
1:00:09a farmer. Like if the cow just kept
1:00:11coming back in, which mine do cuz I'm
1:00:13moral. Like I can call my cow and it
1:00:15runs like a dog, right? Cuz I'm good to
1:00:17her. If I'm a McDonald's guy, I need
1:00:20like hell to keep them in place, you
1:00:22know? And and that's why I would like a
1:00:25government with more free reign, but it
1:00:28it requires us to be more noble people
1:00:31because if you give up your autonomy,
1:00:32oh, I want, you know, Door Dash and Uber
1:00:35and pornos and debt money and all this,
1:00:37it's like, okay, well, we're going to
1:00:38control. You don't get a gun. Like, you
1:00:40can't tie your shoes, you know. So, do
1:00:43you see a lot of the problems going on
1:00:45as a result of people's individual
1:00:46actions?
1:00:47>> 100%. Yeah. They don't have any power.
1:00:51They're they're wizards, dude. Wizards
1:00:52are like they're wizards. They're not
1:00:55like us. They don't make [ __ ] They just
1:00:58are like, "Here's the narrative."
1:01:00And then they just they they pull the
1:01:03resources. It doesn't make them happy,
1:01:04dude. It's like nothing. Emanual labor.
1:01:07Dude, I I love when we were clicking on
1:01:09that. Like Emmanuel means like to be
1:01:11next to God. And when I do manual labor,
1:01:13like I do completely unnecessary, insane
1:01:16toil maxing. I feel great. I sleep
1:01:19great. I feel like I hurt, but I have
1:01:22like purpose. If you're just sitting in
1:01:24a castle counting beans and being
1:01:27afraid, I don't care how much money you
1:01:28have. Your life like sucks.
1:01:31>> Like I love toil maxing. That's why the
1:01:33Jews I get along with are the ones that
1:01:35like carpentry and [ __ ] Like Jesus,
1:01:37right? because they they're doing
1:01:39something. So if you take any group and
1:01:42make them like derivative guys, they're
1:01:44going to go nuts. Like I have a lot of
1:01:45friends that are nuclear physicists,
1:01:47they get in a world where like you got
1:01:49to get your dude I I know [ __ ]
1:01:51[laughter]
1:01:52It's like they get so theoretical.
1:01:55I'm like, dude, you got to like can we
1:01:57like make a bomb? You know, they don't
1:01:59ever not that I've ever asked that, but
1:02:01they're not like doing anything. You
1:02:04know what I mean? It's like very
1:02:05detached from reality. It's like, "Oh,
1:02:07so all NASA's in on him." Like, they
1:02:09look at his screen and count beeps. It's
1:02:11like that that show on HBO. What was
1:02:12that? Uh, and it was called like
1:02:14illumination. And then when he left, he
1:02:16lost that memory and became a different
1:02:18person. And he realized that he didn't
1:02:20know the other person existed. And then
1:02:22he realizes that there's two totally
1:02:24different worlds. And when he's at that
1:02:26job, he's just connecting like squares
1:02:28and hitting triangles like DARPA does to
1:02:31monkeys. Like they're not doing [ __ ] I
1:02:33think they take the highest IQ guys and
1:02:35they're like, "You want to see the gases
1:02:37of Uranus?" Like, it's crazy. It's
1:02:40called Uran, Dude, USA Today said,
1:02:42"Uranus smells like farts." Cuz it was
1:02:45filled with freaking uh sulfur. I'm
1:02:47like, "That's a comedian. Uranus smells
1:02:50like farts." USA Today. I'm like, "You
1:02:52guys are dicks." It's [laughter] true.
1:02:54It's like, "What the [ __ ] [gasps]
1:02:57dude?" I used to do a physics podcast at
1:02:58Keltech. That's the funniest thing about
1:03:00people being like, "Oh, how dare you?
1:03:02You're so [ __ ] stupid." And I'm like,
1:03:04"Dude, I interviewed all the guys with
1:03:05the Nobel prizes. That's why I got
1:03:07disillusioned." Like,
1:03:09>> it's like a game,
1:03:10>> dude. Alfred Nobel killed everyone. You
1:03:13know the story of Alfred Nobel?
1:03:15>> So, he invents like TNT. He's like known
1:03:17as this like wararmonger. They think he
1:03:19dies, but he doesn't die. They write an
1:03:21obituary. They're like, "Man of murderer
1:03:23dead." And so, he's like, "Oh, shit."
1:03:25So, he creates a Nobel Prize so that
1:03:26like people associate him with good
1:03:28[ __ ] And it's always been super corrupt
1:03:30and stupid. Like Alfred Nobel sucked.
1:03:34Ah, I'm not gonna say he sucked. TNT, I
1:03:36get it. It's just a product. I'm not
1:03:38saying, but it's not he's not the peace
1:03:41guy. He had vanities. Like I don't want
1:03:43to be remembered like that.
1:03:45>> So I guess on the portion of you said
1:03:48that it's kind of comes from us like we
1:03:51would be the change to uh stop it like
1:03:53we allow these things to happen to us.
1:03:55Like, don't you think that like it's
1:03:57possible that someone could influence
1:03:59like 1% of your behavior?
1:04:01>> Dude, I'm being influenced right now.
1:04:03Yeah. Like, I didn't win.
1:04:05>> So, so do you think it's possible that
1:04:06someone could influence 5% of your
1:04:08behavior?
1:04:10>> Like that 1% I'm giving up, which I do.
1:04:12I know I do. Like I I still hate
1:04:15changing the oil in my car. Like I don't
1:04:17like doing a lot of [ __ ]
1:04:19>> I know that part of me is like I'll just
1:04:21go along with it. And I'm like a
1:04:23stubborn, intense,
1:04:26you know, outlaw of this [ __ ] And I
1:04:28still feel it in myself. Like I like
1:04:30some people are like, "Man, you got
1:04:31out." I'm like, "I'm never one's ever
1:04:33out. You're always trying to spot in you
1:04:36that's being influenced." And it's
1:04:38always our choice. It's like, "Yeah,
1:04:39take it." Like something with marriage,
1:04:41you guys will like this for the future.
1:04:43My wife always asks me like, "What I
1:04:45want for dinner, and I'm pretty flow
1:04:46state, and I don't really care." And I
1:04:48used to be like, "Whatever." She wants
1:04:50me to make a choice. she wants me and so
1:04:53I do even though I I just think of
1:04:55anything. So this time I said salmon
1:04:58because she's like no you take agency
1:05:00and I was like I don't I don't want I
1:05:02don't care. And I'm like no no no I care
1:05:04about her. She wants me to make the call
1:05:07so I will. That's a microcosm of
1:05:09everything. Fractals are every it's all
1:05:11a fractal. It's like you want to
1:05:13understand the nature of the system the
1:05:15deep state. Look at the abusive person
1:05:17in your life. Fear you're nothing.
1:05:20Dependency mind game. It's all like
1:05:22narcissistic abuse.
1:05:25>> Why?
1:05:26power, right? Insecurity, fear, the
1:05:28behaviors that lead to someone being
1:05:30powerful.
1:05:31>> Fake power. Yeah, good call. I like your
1:05:33autism. Like the force type, not the
1:05:36real power. You're right. Like the real
1:05:39power in my opinion theologically all
1:05:42comes from the the creator. That's why I
1:05:44have the monotheistic theology because
1:05:47it's a gift to us. But like in the sense
1:05:50of uh social influ, but that's the
1:05:53irony. They don't really have power cuz
1:05:54they have to go with their [ __ ]
1:05:56Like they can't make a hard turn. You
1:05:58saw that with Trump. Like one day he's
1:06:00like, "Israel's being [ __ ] annoying."
1:06:02And everyone turned on him immediately
1:06:04cuz they don't love him. They want their
1:06:06agenda. It's like if you go with our
1:06:08thing, we will praise you, you know? And
1:06:10so that's why we don't we have a ton of
1:06:14power in the sense that we have free
1:06:15will, but it's all a gift. Like we don't
1:06:17really but the more honest we are, the
1:06:20more it's given to us in my opinion.
1:06:23Have you ever considered that maybe we
1:06:24don't have free will because of the fact
1:06:26that our behaviors are influenced?
1:06:27>> Yeah, it's a paradox. But typically a
1:06:29paradox is just because I don't see a
1:06:30wide enough scope because like I I still
1:06:33like so theologically if someone's like
1:06:35the creator knows all perfect then how
1:06:38do we have free will because it's all
1:06:40laid out like a like a program
1:06:43but we also have free will. And I don't
1:06:45know how that fits together. I know it
1:06:47sounds like a paradox but it I don't No,
1:06:50I just
1:06:50>> My answer to this is it feels right. It
1:06:52feels like we have free will.
1:06:53>> Right. Right. Right. Right.
1:06:54>> You know, it's like you can tell like,
1:06:56"Oh, maybe I didn't have free will about
1:06:57this thing I didn't know about."
1:06:58>> The determinist guys never act like they
1:07:00believe it. Like you never see Sam
1:07:02Harris be like,
1:07:03>> "But the Islamist can't help it. None of
1:07:05us have free will." He's like mad at
1:07:06him,
1:07:07>> right? Like because that happens with
1:07:10the guy that says everything is one.
1:07:11Some of my friends are like, "We're all
1:07:13one." I'm like, "So where's our car?"
1:07:15[laughter] "Oh, it's your car." Right?
1:07:17You know, it's like we're not really
1:07:18one. Like or else I have your car, too.
1:07:20It's like our car, you know? Maybe we're
1:07:22all one, but like it's like during co
1:07:24I'm like, you're not acting scared. You
1:07:26had the mask off until you [ __ ] stood
1:07:28up and then you put it on. I'm like, if
1:07:30you thought you could die from a virus,
1:07:32you wouldn't be at TGI Fridays, right?
1:07:36[laughter] You'd be at home scared. And
1:07:39those are the people I think got got
1:07:40through fine. Even the vaxed ones. I
1:07:42think if they believed it, they didn't
1:07:44take on too much debt from that. I think
1:07:46I think unless you're aware and you're
1:07:48consciously doing it, I don't think it
1:07:50affects you really very much.
1:07:52>> Like you're consciously going with the
1:07:53social norm.
1:07:54>> Yeah. If you're like, "Dude, this is
1:07:55super scary and this vax is going to
1:07:57really help my grandma." I don't think
1:07:58it affected the the people I think it
1:08:00affected the most were the ones that
1:08:02like knew.
1:08:04>> I think there's an innocence that
1:08:05happens if you don't know. I
1:08:08>> I can't I can't com explain that or put
1:08:11it on a a spreadsheet, but like I keep
1:08:14seeing that. I've seen that in my own
1:08:15life. cuz you know I was rep by
1:08:17basically the inner circle of hell very
1:08:20successful in Hollywood that's like what
1:08:22you make a wand out of but like I know I
1:08:26didn't get in that group like I never
1:08:28like how did that I was going to write a
1:08:29movie called Gary Rothchild who just uh
1:08:32like accidentally like keeps joining
1:08:34groups and [ __ ] because I never was it I
1:08:38never wanted that and that's why I think
1:08:40I couldn't keep going there and I don't
1:08:43think there was too much karmic debt You
1:08:45know
1:08:46>> what groups have you accidentally
1:08:47joined?
1:08:47>> Well, nothing. No, [laughter]
1:08:50nothing. I just kept thinking like if
1:08:52it's all just like stupid symbols, like
1:08:54what have you accidentally did? Like
1:08:55you're like, man, my my eye is itchy.
1:08:57And and someone like my name's Owen
1:08:59Benjamin Smith cuz there's an Owen Smith
1:09:01comedian.
1:09:02>> And and people were like, "You can't be
1:09:03Owen Smith. We think you're that guy."
1:09:05And it was when I was first starting and
1:09:07I wanted to keep my name, but they're
1:09:09like, "Just pick a different name." I'm
1:09:10like, "It's my name." So, I went with my
1:09:12middle name. And then people are like,
1:09:13"Oh, Ben, man." And and I'm like, "Oh, I
1:09:17accidentally now have a name of one of
1:09:19the 12 tribes of Israel. I didn't
1:09:21[ __ ] choose that." But it's like, you
1:09:23know what I mean? And I am an eighth J.
1:09:26I don't even know what that means, but I
1:09:28think it's almost like wave and particle
1:09:30[ __ ] with light. I think the race
1:09:32religion thing is just a shell game.
1:09:35>> A shell game.
1:09:36>> Yeah. Where it's like it's a it's a part
1:09:38light's a particle when we need it to be
1:09:40or a wave when we need it to be. like is
1:09:41being Jewish a race? How can a religion
1:09:44be a race? But yet a lot of them look
1:09:46the same, right? And I think part of it
1:09:48is like the legal I know I'm just kind
1:09:50of rambling, but the legal loopholes of
1:09:51like you can't like do something legally
1:09:54to a race versus a religion, but you
1:09:56can't religiously be a race. Like how
1:09:58could I be part Mormon or like part
1:10:00Quaker, like part Presbyterian? I'm a
1:10:02quarter Presbyterian.
1:10:04I'm half Muslim, an eighth Jewish, and
1:10:07an eighth Quaker. Like that sounds
1:10:08[ __ ] H that's kind of like what is
1:10:11a religion,
1:10:12>> right? What What do you think, man?
1:10:17>> My notes.
1:10:17>> That kind of sounds like uh like I'm
1:10:19high when I said that.
1:10:20>> No, but dude, the fundamentals right now
1:10:22are where the gravy is cuz we keep
1:10:23operating like everyone knows what these
1:10:25words mean.
1:10:26>> I have here I said and I'm religious by
1:10:28the way. I said religion is the belief
1:10:30in a thing that will make you happy.
1:10:33>> But I think it's true though, man. I
1:10:34like I've lived some [ __ ] where and I'm
1:10:37a skeptical. I don't believe in pandas,
1:10:39you know, and I'm like, dude, this is
1:10:41like there's [ __ ] in the Bible that is
1:10:43it was just more accurate than I was
1:10:45getting in other places where I'm like
1:10:47it just resonates with me.
1:10:48>> That's fair.
1:10:49>> Like I can't like prove it, but I don't
1:10:50think I think it's a category error
1:10:52where I don't think you're supposed to
1:10:53prove a religion. Like faith isn't a
1:10:55proof.
1:10:55>> Yes.
1:10:56>> That's what I think that's the big
1:10:57thing. It's like well I'm like you can't
1:11:00prove metaphysical truth. It's like
1:11:02proving the number five. Like show me
1:11:04five. Right.
1:11:05>> Right. [laughter]
1:11:07Yeah. It's an interesting one. I I I
1:11:08think the entire
1:11:09>> What's your religion? Like, how do you
1:11:10view your own religion?
1:11:13>> It I tell people spiritual Christian
1:11:15because it's like I am [clears throat]
1:11:17Christian, but I know about all the
1:11:18stuff you're talking about and I know
1:11:19that it's real.
1:11:21>> So, it's like do you say you're a
1:11:22Christian? Because that doesn't
1:11:24>> really encapsulate if you have this
1:11:26other nosis perhaps.
1:11:27>> And I'm naturally so devil's advocate
1:11:31fool arc type that I'm like, you don't
1:11:33want me around. Like I always ask weird
1:11:35questions, you [laughter] know? I'm
1:11:37like, but I do feel that though. Like I
1:11:39identify with
1:11:41>> I once joked I was like, "No, I think
1:11:43it's too real to be a Christian."
1:11:44[laughter]
1:11:45>> Cuz so many of these guys, they act so
1:11:47true.
1:11:47>> They They say they're Christian, but
1:11:49they every action they do
1:11:51>> is not like even the doom [ __ ] now where
1:11:53they're like, "Oh, they're going to
1:11:55enslave us all." Like it's called the
1:11:56good news, right? The gospel is the
1:11:58good. Like so is it the bad news? Like
1:12:01how do you lose? Like don't you win if
1:12:03you like accept the truth? Like, but
1:12:05they're they're acting like that. Don't
1:12:07get me wrong, I think horror abounds if
1:12:09you don't, but like you just got to have
1:12:11actual faith and things just keep
1:12:13working out.
1:12:14>> I think the behaviors of a person often
1:12:15reflect what religion they actually are.
1:12:18>> Yes. That's why some Muslims are like,
1:12:20"My brother, you are Islamic. You know
1:12:23about debt." [laughter]
1:12:25>> And cuz I like goat hurting.
1:12:27>> Yeah. And it's so funny how that is
1:12:29because there's a type of Christian that
1:12:31gets along with Muslim because you're
1:12:33like because you're actually looking at
1:12:35the Bible. You're like, "Oh yeah, you're
1:12:36supposed to not like expose your chick
1:12:38like in public with pornos, you know,
1:12:40and they're like they're like, "Oh, no,
1:12:42that's Islamic." I'm like, "What if
1:12:43there's just truth?" And then there's
1:12:45corruptions. Like if you look at early
1:12:47America, it looks like they're wearing
1:12:48hijabs. Like women are covered.
1:12:50>> Really?
1:12:51>> Oh yeah. Yeah, you look at like 1910
1:12:52coming off Ellis Island, all the
1:12:53Catholics, the women wear like scarves.
1:12:56Not like the Pac-Man ghost crazy [ __ ]
1:12:59but just but just like, [laughter] you
1:13:01know what I mean? But just basic, you
1:13:02know, if you taught in a school, you had
1:13:04to cover down to your ankles and you
1:13:06couldn't do this and blah blah blah.
1:13:07There was like modesty laws.
1:13:09>> Yeah.
1:13:09>> And it's cuz it's not cuz they like are
1:13:11like pruds or whatever. It's cuz they
1:13:13know the weakness of it. They know that
1:13:15that's a way to weaken people, you know,
1:13:17to like get them jacked up on too much
1:13:19stimulation and then population goes
1:13:21down. Everyone's got a Subaru.
1:13:26[laughter]
1:13:26>> Who do you think is the single most
1:13:28powerful wizard alive today?
1:13:30>> I don't think you know his name, dude. I
1:13:33I was I wanted to write a a movie about
1:13:34it. It's called Syninnap. Because
1:13:36sometimes I feel like I know almost too
1:13:38much about it where I'm like, am I kind
1:13:40of like why do I know this? Like that's
1:13:41kind of weird. And I and I and I
1:13:44Because like the the the craft of comedy
1:13:47can be awesome at relieving stress, but
1:13:49it can also be super dark, right? And so
1:13:51I'm like, why is my craft so dark? Like
1:13:53I know how to do these cynical things.
1:13:56And I want to write this movie where I I
1:13:58get like kicked out of Hollywood, all
1:13:59that stuff, and I'm in a farm and I'm
1:14:02desolate. I start getting these things
1:14:03in the mail that just says like Synap, S
1:14:06I N E P, and it just says keep pulling
1:14:08the thread and all this stuff like this
1:14:10benefactor.
1:14:12And it turns out it's basically the
1:14:13devil. And he was like, I don't know if
1:14:16you call it the devil, but he's like he
1:14:17was from early 20th century. He's like
1:14:20centuries old. And he was trying to do
1:14:21standup and was ch taking his jokes, you
1:14:24know, it's like this whole story. And so
1:14:26cynically to show how everyone sucked,
1:14:28he started doing all these spells and
1:14:30Synap is the biggest corporation in the
1:14:31world and just penis backwards because
1:14:33everything's like a peanut. Like the
1:14:35Rockets, Blue Origin's literally a dick.
1:14:38The CEO is Dave Limp. Literally Dave
1:14:40Limp is the CEO. Fact.
1:14:43I will not apologize for making that
1:14:45connection. And so he's like I'm like,
1:14:47"How are you 180 years old?" He's like,
1:14:49"I don't eat the funny food." I'm like,
1:14:50"What's the funny food?" He's like, "All
1:14:52the food I feed you. It's like poison.
1:14:54Isn't that hilarious?" And so my
1:14:56conflict I'm like, "It's so funny, but
1:14:58it's so e" And my conflict is like to
1:15:02reject evil cuz the joke is on man
1:15:05versus the joke is on evil. I try to
1:15:07keep all my jokes like mocking weakness,
1:15:09evil, all that. There's a evil comedy
1:15:12that mocks man. Like look how stupid cuz
1:15:15the devil's always like you think
1:15:17they're better than me God. You I was
1:15:19your special boy, right? It's like cuz
1:15:22God gave us dominion and he would you
1:15:24know that envy the envious one is what
1:15:26the Muslims call uh shaitan, right? And
1:15:29so he's always like mocking man like
1:15:32look what I got him to believe. Like
1:15:34they were getting people to swab their
1:15:35asses for CO in China. That's that dude
1:15:38that's it's called humiliation com. It's
1:15:40punked. It's like look at what we just
1:15:42did to Justin Bieber. Like I used to
1:15:43punk celebrities. Like look, we made him
1:15:46cry, right? But see, I was doing it to
1:15:48break their ego. Like the celebrity look
1:15:51we can break you, you know? But I think
1:15:53there like when the devil does it to
1:15:55like kids and [ __ ] and that's when it's
1:15:57like real [ __ ] up and there's a comedy
1:15:59to it that's dark. And so I want to
1:16:01write this movie about my rejection
1:16:04of the father of lies which is like this
1:16:07the richest in because think about it
1:16:09I'll offer you the world. You can be the
1:16:10greatest comedian ever. [ __ ] these
1:16:12people. Cuz right when I was getting
1:16:13cancelled some people I could tell were
1:16:15like you hate them don't you? You want
1:16:17to like [ __ ] you know like like they
1:16:19wanted to stoke my revenge embers. And I
1:16:21was like I spotted that and I'm like
1:16:23that's when I'm like oh no hard feelings
1:16:25man like it's all good because
1:16:27forgiveness is powerful. vice for
1:16:29briefly. I was like, "Oh, that's weak."
1:16:31And it's not. It's like the most
1:16:33powerful thing you can do is having no
1:16:35hard feelings. Oh, it's so power cuz
1:16:37like forgiving is when they let you go.
1:16:40It's weird. The devil wants you to be
1:16:42like, "Look at what Joe Rogan said about
1:16:44you in his tiny little car. Don't you
1:16:46want to mock him and like make himself,
1:16:48you know, and it's like, no, you can
1:16:50have his little pants and his little
1:16:51car. It's all good." Like cuz I live in
1:16:54paradise. If you came to my place, it's
1:16:56like a painting of like four beautiful
1:16:58children running around like literally
1:17:00like alpacas frolicking. Imagine if I
1:17:03was resentful. That's like such a It's
1:17:06like such [ __ ] It's like it's like
1:17:08so bad to God. It's like no, I need
1:17:10more, you know? I have like more than I
1:17:13ever could have imagined. It's like, but
1:17:15I need someone to apologize for me for
1:17:17being mean online. I need to be back on
1:17:19Dive. I think it's out of business now.
1:17:21You know,
1:17:23>> who do you think invented cancel
1:17:25culture?
1:17:27>> Well, you know, the shame tact I think
1:17:29there's a every inversion has a good
1:17:31element. I like good cancel culture.
1:17:33Like I have my own app cuz I had to make
1:17:36one. But and I'm it's it's like super,
1:17:40you know, tight on rules, but it's like
1:17:42good. It's always the good, the truth,
1:17:44the beautiful. Like nothing a 5-year-old
1:17:45can't see. Like I cancel it everybody,
1:17:48but it's it's like I I explain it.
1:17:50Nothing sexual, no politics, no no
1:17:53conspiracy debating. I'm like, post
1:17:55beautiful things, help, try and find
1:17:57jobs, get wives, like start families,
1:17:59cuz that's what I think social media
1:18:00should be. And so the inversion is
1:18:02cancel, dude. A highlevel grabbler once
1:18:05told me, they go, "Our policy is no
1:18:07living heroes."
1:18:10Because living heroes used to almost
1:18:11cancel their wars there. Uh Lindberg was
1:18:14against World War II and he almost
1:18:16stopped World War II. That's why every
1:18:19hero now has to either be constantly
1:18:21shamed and humiliated or fake. They
1:18:24That's a policy.
1:18:26And I get it. I understand it. Imagine
1:18:28if you have a living hero that isn't
1:18:29That's like like Charlie Charlie Kirk
1:18:32was like starting to be a little more of
1:18:33a real hero and they're like,
1:18:36"Fuck him."
1:18:37>> I don't know. I think it was so far in
1:18:40was the problem. It's like you don't you
1:18:43shouldn't take their money on that
1:18:44scale, you know, cuz then they feel they
1:18:48feel like they own you. It's like like a
1:18:49girl at a bar taking drinks from a
1:18:51creep. Like over time he's like, "But I
1:18:53gave you the drinks." [laughter]
1:18:56That's why I don't take [ __ ] from any of
1:18:57I'm like, it sounds like I'm paranoid,
1:19:00but I'm not. I'm like, I don't want
1:19:01anything. I I have my own well. I grow
1:19:03food. I'm like, I don't want to owe the
1:19:05devil anything, right?
1:19:07>> But it's all good news. Like I'm not
1:19:08saying this like people should be
1:19:09bummed. It's it's actually like really
1:19:12cool to see that we have like so much
1:19:14agency and it's like it's like fair kind
1:19:16of you know if we had a mutual goal I
1:19:20guess uh because I I want more people to
1:19:23think in a different way personally
1:19:25>> like what but what do you mean by
1:19:26different I'll get
1:19:27>> like in a way that they're more open to
1:19:28stuff. It's like I I can't even like get
1:19:31my parents to like get on board with one
1:19:33conspiracy or one things aren't the way
1:19:35you think they are because there's not
1:19:36like a good one to get your foot in the
1:19:38door. Well, I think this isn't about
1:19:41dialectic or truth or proofs. It's about
1:19:43rhetoric. So, what I like to do is
1:19:45people a lot of times will reject that
1:19:47because they're afraid of what's on the
1:19:48other side or they feel shame like that
1:19:52means I'm a dupe. I've been tricked.
1:19:54I've lived a lie. All this stuff, right?
1:19:56>> That's why I like to make it fun, funny,
1:19:58and like not a bit. That's why pandas
1:20:00are perfect.
1:20:01>> I agree.
1:20:02>> Yeah. Because it's like fun, right?
1:20:04Because if you say the moonlight didn't
1:20:06happen, so my grandfather was a liar, so
1:20:07those memories I had. So all the books I
1:20:09read like and it's like no your
1:20:11grandfather's not a liar and learning
1:20:12all that [ __ ] is really interesting and
1:20:14maybe it happened. I just don't think
1:20:16so. Neither does Vivian Kubri. You know
1:20:18I had Vivian Kubri on and I was like you
1:20:20think your dad shot it and she goes no
1:20:22it would have looked real
1:20:24cuz production guys like me like I don't
1:20:26know [ __ ] about rockets. I know about
1:20:28production. And I'm like, you're not
1:20:30doing a live feed in negative 273
1:20:33degrees in a vacuum 240,000 miles away
1:20:36with a tiltup rack focus with something
1:20:38going 3,000 ft per. I'm like, that
1:20:41logistically is impossible in
1:20:42production.
1:20:43>> So, if they said, "Yeah, all the footage
1:20:46is fake." But we were there, I literally
1:20:48probably would have been like, "Oh,
1:20:49cool." But they're like, "Oh, no. That's
1:20:52they're playing
1:20:53>> every single part of it is real,
1:20:54>> right?" Like, dude, the production I'm
1:20:56like, so if that production is real,
1:20:58like I don't trust you now
1:21:00>> cuz you don't you know what what it's
1:21:02like like tilt up rack focus. So like a
1:21:04rocket's going up, you're tilting up and
1:21:07and focusing in, you're doing it from
1:21:10remote control 240,000 mi away the first
1:21:12time you try it in a vacuum from Houston
1:21:15through a radiation belt. No. Like the
1:21:18amount of energy you like a battery gets
1:21:20shitty when it's 30° 273 degrees.
1:21:25No. Like, so give me the battery.
1:21:27>> Like, can I buy the battery? Because my
1:21:28batteries get real shitty at 0 degrees.
1:21:32>> Are there any other animals you think
1:21:33are fake?
1:21:34>> It's not that I necessarily think
1:21:36they're fake, dude. You want to hear the
1:21:37newest one? That's crazy. Like,
1:21:41all right. Well, there's a few. One, I
1:21:43just want answers about eels. No one
1:21:46knows how they reproduce. And you'll see
1:21:48videos where they act like they know.
1:21:50They actually don't know. And they when
1:21:52you understand how crazy that is. They
1:21:54don't know how eels reproduce.
1:21:57>> Can we not just capture one?
1:21:58>> They don't reproduce with them. They
1:22:01don't know where eels come from.
1:22:03>> So if you had eels on your farm, they
1:22:04wouldn't reproduce.
1:22:05>> Nope.
1:22:08>> Dude, that's weird. I I have no claims.
1:22:11It's just they don't know where eels
1:22:13come from. Okay. Uh penguins, I think,
1:22:17are very mysterious. And I'll tell you
1:22:19why. [laughter]
1:22:21Fashion is so emblematic of power. So
1:22:25why is a tuxedo a tuxedo? You know, you
1:22:28don't really think about it. You're
1:22:28like, "Oh, that's a sweet tuxedo." It's
1:22:30like, why the [ __ ] did everyone start
1:22:31dressing like a penguin, right? Like
1:22:34with a tail?
1:22:36Cuz they didn't used to. Before they'd
1:22:38be like colorful. You look at the Medici
1:22:39bankers and stuff. Why did the Roch get
1:22:42an island in Antarctica in 1815?
1:22:48>> That's a new Why is it called an emperor
1:22:49penguin?
1:22:51>> Why is the reason we can't go there to
1:22:52protect the penguins? Why did John Ky go
1:22:55to Antarctica on election day in 2016 to
1:22:58check the penguins? What the [ __ ] Why
1:23:00do penguins hoard shiny little pebbles?
1:23:04>> And again,
1:23:05>> they prostitute each other for the
1:23:07pebbles, too.
1:23:08>> Yeah. And they're all bisexual.
1:23:09>> That's true.
1:23:10>> And they all can't do physical labor.
1:23:13And uh they waddle around like literally
1:23:15the Penguin and Batman. And it's like,
1:23:17listen, I don't know the answer to this
1:23:20one, but there's something very I have
1:23:22some theories that are [ __ ] out
1:23:23there, but I think and I'm not saying
1:23:25penguins are midgets and suits or
1:23:27anything, but like I think there's a
1:23:29relationship between animals and human
1:23:31cultures that I don't fully understand.
1:23:35Like I think butterflies are like trans.
1:23:39So, a caterpillar working hard gets in a
1:23:41cocoon, does unspeakable acts, becomes
1:23:43goo, and becomes like a flippity
1:23:45butterfly that gets pinned to a, you
1:23:48know, I don't really think that, but
1:23:49like
1:23:50>> why did you seem so nervous to say the
1:23:52penguin would?
1:23:54>> Because the implications are insane. I
1:23:56think that it's a it's a tell of where
1:23:58like where some some [ __ ] is. You know,
1:24:02there's some history behind banking
1:24:03that's so wacky, dude. Because the All
1:24:06right, if you're like this is the love
1:24:07your enemy thing. It's like when you
1:24:08actually view it through other people's
1:24:10eyes, like it would be hard being a
1:24:11central banker. Like imagine you lend
1:24:13money to one of these kings for a war,
1:24:15they don't pay you back, so they just
1:24:17kill you. Like that actually did happen
1:24:18to them. So then you hide the gold, but
1:24:22eventually there could be a revolution.
1:24:23They just take back the gold. So you
1:24:25have to really think like where do you
1:24:26put the gold?
1:24:28Where do you put the gold? Like where's
1:24:30the point?
1:24:30>> Knox,
1:24:31>> Antarctica. Okay. Where is the one place
1:24:34that the entire world for the last 60
1:24:36years has agreed that no one can go to
1:24:38for no [ __ ] reason?
1:24:41>> But it's because aliens are there. It's
1:24:42because there were secret military base.
1:24:44>> Dude, maybe they already took it out.
1:24:45But they there was a revolution in
1:24:46France in like 1848 and somebody was
1:24:49like, "Okay, Rothchilds, we have to
1:24:51tabble it up. Where's the gold?" And
1:24:53they they they did give coordinates that
1:24:55it was like Antarctica. Dude, it's
1:24:57called Rochild Island next to Deception
1:24:59Island. And you can't see it on [ __ ]
1:25:01Google map. like it it's pixelated on
1:25:03Google Maps. [clears throat]
1:25:05>> And this is the one thing I like about
1:25:07Bitcoin. I don't like the culture around
1:25:08Bitcoin, but the one thing is the the
1:25:12contract lineage, like the tracking of
1:25:14the contract is always very valuable of
1:25:17who owes what, right? And so they would
1:25:21always burn that [ __ ] So imagine you
1:25:24want to like hide that. Like you can't
1:25:26even hide in Switzerland. Switzerland
1:25:28can still be taken over. There's still
1:25:29political problems,
1:25:31>> you know? It's so hard to have a fiat
1:25:33currency backed by gold because you're
1:25:36like, "Where do you put the gold?" Like,
1:25:38like, if people get pissed off enough
1:25:39and they start guillotining, they're
1:25:41going to get your gold again. And that's
1:25:43where I do have compassion for bankers
1:25:44cuz they did get kind of [ __ ] with by
1:25:46some pretty unscrupulous kings. And so
1:25:48they're like, "Okay, the penguins." And
1:25:51I don't know why they started dressing
1:25:53and acting like them, but like it's
1:25:55weird, man. It's called the Emperor
1:25:56Penguin, and you're not allowed to go
1:25:58there. Like, and then they say, "Oh, you
1:26:00can go there." Yeah, it's a three square
1:26:02mile thing.
1:26:04No, you can't just go to Antarctica.
1:26:06There's literally an Antarctic treaty
1:26:08that during wars. Everyone's like,
1:26:10"Yeah, but one of the biggest nasty
1:26:13battles in the whole thing was in
1:26:15[ __ ] Antarctica. No one talks about
1:26:16it." And you want to know the cover
1:26:18story? Hitler wanted whales for oil.
1:26:22So 5,000 miles away from Germany, has
1:26:26whole battalions in Antarctica. There is
1:26:27a battle. 1939 two-front war.
1:26:31>> Where did they fight?
1:26:33>> I don't know. It's like it definitely
1:26:35happened. They were there. There was
1:26:36nasty [ __ ] all over the place. They had
1:26:38a base. And the lie is preposterous. I
1:26:41feel like it's like Patrick Baitman
1:26:43lies. Like the lies are so stupid. Like
1:26:44the videotapes. It's like Adolf Hitler
1:26:47is a vegetarian and whales suck at
1:26:49giving you oil. Like would they go 5,000
1:26:51miles to get oil from [ __ ] whales?
1:26:56No.
1:26:57All right, last thing about Antarctica.
1:27:01So, everybody in war wants the high
1:27:03ground, right? Everything's about the
1:27:05high ground. You ever look into the
1:27:06average elevation of each continent?
1:27:08>> No.
1:27:09>> Australia is the lowest. Average
1:27:10elevation like 700, you know, then you
1:27:12got like Europe, you know, maybe 1,200.
1:27:15You got like 2,000 Asia 2,300s.
1:27:19Antarctica is 9,000 ft [laughter]
1:27:20average. Like fact, this is a fact. It
1:27:23has an average elevation of 9,000 ft.
1:27:26And people go, "What does that man?"
1:27:27It's like, "I don't know. Like, all of
1:27:29battle is about getting the high
1:27:30ground." Like, why is the Antarctic
1:27:32Treaty in place? Why were the Nazis
1:27:34there? Why do all the elites dress like
1:27:37[ __ ] penguins? [laughter] Like, once
1:27:40you see that, it's like, like, cuz we
1:27:42all just think it makes total sense. Oh,
1:27:43yeah. We wear we have like white bellies
1:27:45and a little black tail. Oh, sorry. And
1:27:46a little black tail and we waddle around
1:27:48and we get little diamonds and, you
1:27:50know, we fight wars for the diamond.
1:27:51It's like, but why not wear like
1:27:53colorful [ __ ] Like, why not wear a
1:27:54different suit? Like why do you dress
1:27:56like penguins right around [ __ ] 1812?
1:28:00Cuz there weren't tuxedos before that.
1:28:02>> Man, I I'm I'm usually pretty good at
1:28:04these things. Like but I don't know I
1:28:06can't make the jump. I can't make the
1:28:07jump.
1:28:08>> I can't make the jump either. And people
1:28:09then get pissed at me. They're like but
1:28:10then what is it? I'm like it's just fun
1:28:12to ponder.
1:28:14>> What are the things that they're facing?
1:28:15Central bankers like they have to have
1:28:17the gold somewhere to print the dollars.
1:28:19And people can be dicks to bankers. They
1:28:21just take it back. They're like [ __ ]
1:28:23you. I have an army. M you know so if
1:28:25you hide it like leprechauns no offense
1:28:30it's like it has to be someplace really
1:28:32far away and it has to be a place where
1:28:35no one will ever go.
1:28:37>> Do you think space is fake?
1:28:39>> See face fake is good rhetoric but it it
1:28:42gets people spiraling because it's like
1:28:44is like space of course like
1:28:47>> outer space
1:28:48>> like outer space as described I think of
1:28:50of no
1:28:52>> what is it? I don't know.
1:28:55And I know air gets dinner up there. I
1:28:57just I just the way it's described.
1:29:00Okay. For example,
1:29:00>> you just look at everything that's like
1:29:02forced down your throat and you're like
1:29:03I know this isn't right, but I don't
1:29:04know what it is.
1:29:05>> Yeah. And I'm like I don't accept that
1:29:06as to especially with internal critique,
1:29:08internal contradiction,
1:29:09>> right?
1:29:10>> And with like I know you don't know.
1:29:12Like for example, the internal structure
1:29:14of the earth, right? The deepest
1:29:17anyone's ever dug is seven miles, which
1:29:19is very deep. [clears throat]
1:29:21>> But this is where the joke comes in. And
1:29:22why I wanted to write that that movie.
1:29:24Want to know what they say? The the core
1:29:25of the earth is a spinning nickel. They
1:29:28say it's nickel and it's twisting.
1:29:30>> Dude, that's a joke. It's a spinning
1:29:31nickel. It's like a That's a It's a
1:29:33banker joke. It's a a nickel spinning.
1:29:37>> Cuz I'm like, how do you know that?
1:29:38They're like, "Oh, we did tests." I'm
1:29:40like, "You never dug. You never like I
1:29:43kind of as much as that was ridiculous
1:29:45when that guy was saying that about
1:29:47Gaza, the you've never been is kind of
1:29:49valid sometimes. It's like you've never
1:29:50been." Remember that British guy with
1:29:52Dave Smith
1:29:54>> when Dave Smith was like, "Dude, Gaza is
1:29:56all [ __ ] up." He's like, "But have you
1:29:57been there? Was that Joe Rogan?" And I
1:30:00knew he was being manipulative, but I'm
1:30:01like, "But still though, like, have you
1:30:04been in the crust of the earth?"
1:30:06>> Right. It was just assuming. And the
1:30:08assumptions they made going down were
1:30:10all false.
1:30:12>> What do you think is the biggest lie
1:30:14we're being told recently?
1:30:17>> I actually am not as afraid of AI and
1:30:20[ __ ] like that. I think like that would
1:30:21affect my friends and family or like
1:30:23that the big lie to like everybody is
1:30:26like the people I care about the biggest
1:30:28lie and respect would be that
1:30:31>> I think I should ask you this. Have you
1:30:33heard of the phrase like hajillian
1:30:34dialectic before? Like
1:30:36>> what I see with AI is AI is going to
1:30:39kill us all. AI is going to take your
1:30:41jobs. No AI is going to be great and
1:30:43amazing. So I'm just wondering like what
1:30:45the real truth is. You think
1:30:48>> I just know
1:30:49>> I can't imagine it's going to kill us
1:30:50all.
1:30:51>> No. Theologically it can't. It's like
1:30:54theologically
1:30:56how can that and you look at the people
1:30:58doing it and you see the behavior. Don't
1:31:00get me wrong, AI is a powerful tool. It
1:31:02does exist. It's not like some of these
1:31:03other things that are complete scams.
1:31:06It's pretty impressive. It does replace
1:31:07a lot of highlevel corporate money
1:31:10velocity jobs, you know, like true. It's
1:31:13like easy for them to just do that, but
1:31:15it doesn't do it's like a tool. Like a
1:31:18tool doesn't have agency. And so when
1:31:20people talk about it's an empty vessel
1:31:22for demons, that is kind of true, but
1:31:24it's like but for the sloth of man where
1:31:26it's like I give up agency to AI and
1:31:29that would allow more weakness to man is
1:31:32what I see as the fear. But dude,
1:31:35there's so many things that can go wrong
1:31:36with this infrastructure. It's like they
1:31:38they always forget they need people to
1:31:39build all this [ __ ] and maintain it, you
1:31:41know? Like, dude, I saw a sign that
1:31:43said, "Don't plant Oh, you're going to
1:31:45laugh. This is why it's all so funny. It
1:31:47said don't plant bamboo near near the
1:31:50data centers because bamboo grows out of
1:31:53control and so hard to get rid of unless
1:31:54you have [ __ ] panda bears." And so,
1:31:56like, imagine if bamboo takes out data
1:31:59centers. And then the Chinese are like,
1:32:01"Dude, that's why we invented pandas."
1:32:03Cuz that's why I think they're there. I
1:32:05think they're to clear fields of bamboo
1:32:06like like goats do for us.
1:32:08>> The pandas.
1:32:09>> Yeah. Yeah, cuz all they do is eat
1:32:10bamboo and it's not even good for them.
1:32:12It's filled with arsenic. Makes them
1:32:14sleepy and stupid. They roll down hills
1:32:16like morons.
1:32:17>> Why do you think the data centers are
1:32:19there?
1:32:20>> No, data centers
1:32:23like will have a sign that says don't
1:32:25plant bamboo near data centers because
1:32:27it could like destroy the
1:32:28infrastructure.
1:32:29>> Well, I I I guess I just I see all this
1:32:31rhetoric about data centers constantly
1:32:32and like this fear around. Oh, cuz it
1:32:34sounds terrible and everything and I
1:32:35don't want one near me, but it almost
1:32:38it's just like I know the behavior.
1:32:40They're always doing a scam. And one
1:32:41thing I think that happened is
1:32:43existential threat rhetorically moves
1:32:46people to oddly invest. It's like blood
1:32:49diamond made people want to buy
1:32:50diamonds. They're like people die for
1:32:51this. Do you love your wife? Like that
1:32:53was a commercial for [ __ ] diamonds.
1:32:55As soon as you can make diamonds in a
1:32:56lab, no one wants them. They want to
1:32:58know that someone died. That gives value
1:33:00in a really [ __ ] up way. You said fear
1:33:03leads to people wanting to invest.
1:33:05>> Yeah. Imagine if they go, "This is the
1:33:08god that will change all of economy."
1:33:10They're like, "Well, then I need to be a
1:33:12part of like I that's now a thing I'm
1:33:14going to think about all the time." I've
1:33:16never seen a robot do anything.
1:33:19Ever, dude. And I'm like 46. I've been
1:33:21hearing this [ __ ] for [ __ ] ever. I
1:33:23had the Jetsons as a kid. These grablers
1:33:25always want to replace man with machine.
1:33:28It's always the thing. I saw that in the
1:33:30Bitcoin culture, too. where it's like,
1:33:32"Oh, Bitcoin will cure all our
1:33:33problems." I'm like, "No, it's a it's a
1:33:35tool. It can't do any. It's like just a
1:33:37tool." Same with AI. And
1:33:39>> that's so interesting what you're
1:33:40saying. I'm I'm thinking about like if I
1:33:42wanted to get you to invest in my oyic
1:33:44company. I And you're just a smart
1:33:46investor. I wouldn't tell you that like
1:33:48it actually works. Like the clinical
1:33:50trial, people are losing weight. I would
1:33:51tell you it is the most addictive
1:33:53substance on earth.
1:33:54>> Exactly. Okay. That's a
1:33:56>> buy. Exact. Dude, opium is what fueled
1:33:58all It's like, "No, this [ __ ] will make
1:34:00people kill their family for it." Dude,
1:34:02I think again, total speculation. It's
1:34:05Julian Dory's guys. They go pure spec.
1:34:06You ever see that guy?
1:34:07>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:34:08>> He goes, "Pure spec." It's like, I
1:34:10cannot prove this at all. The news
1:34:13stories about people killing each other
1:34:14for Nikes, I think was a Nike
1:34:16commercial.
1:34:18>> And if people don't think they can do
1:34:19twisted [ __ ] like that, just do it was
1:34:23that came from a serial killer at his
1:34:25execution. You know that, right? Yeah.
1:34:27>> A guy was about to be electrocuted. He
1:34:29goes, "Just do it." Nikey's like,
1:34:31"Perfect." And all these slogans, you
1:34:34know, obey your thirst. Once you pop,
1:34:36you can't stop. The best a man can get.
1:34:39Maybe it's Maybelline. You know, all
1:34:41these things. It sounds like a demon
1:34:42saying it. Obey your thirst. Once you
1:34:44pop, you can't stop. It's addictive.
1:34:48>> You're someone who hangs around with
1:34:49scientists. Uhhuh.
1:34:51>> Yeah. I love scientists, too. That's the
1:34:52funniest thing. I love the scientific
1:34:54method cuz a lot of them don't like
1:34:56what's happened too. So I I I don't want
1:34:57to be too hard on the scientist.
1:35:00>> You know, you watched the whole Tucker
1:35:01episode, right?
1:35:03>> I'm like 20 minutes from the end.
1:35:04>> 20 minutes from the end. There's a part
1:35:06in it where he says, "I talked to this
1:35:08guy with like top level security
1:35:09clearance and he told me that there was
1:35:11one truth that could end the entire
1:35:14world." And [clears throat]
1:35:15>> I was thinking about what that could be.
1:35:16Me too. As
1:35:17>> what do you think it is? Uh
1:35:19>> do you think nukes are real?
1:35:21>> No.
1:35:23I think nuclear power is I think there's
1:35:25devastating uh there's devastating
1:35:28weapons because some people are like oh
1:35:30you're such an optimist bimbo you don't
1:35:32think things are I'm like dude mustard
1:35:34gas directed energy like there's huge
1:35:36bombs but the evidence isn't there it's
1:35:39like my dad was giving a speech in
1:35:41Hiroshima when I was a kid and I was
1:35:42terrified he was going to die because I
1:35:44was hiding under a cardboard [ __ ]
1:35:45desk because of nuclear bombs and people
1:35:48just were like oh no it'll be fine I'm
1:35:50like no but Hiroshima has and nuked.
1:35:52It's like a billion years is poison. And
1:35:55they're like, "No, no, your dad will be
1:35:57fine." I'm like, "Noted." And then I
1:36:00started seeing more and more. And I know
1:36:02these guys and one of my buddies just
1:36:04goes, "It's best to act like they're
1:36:06real." Like he's so autistic that he's
1:36:08like, "Game theory, it lowers war
1:36:10because everyone thinks that there's
1:36:11mutual destruction. It's game theory."
1:36:13I'm like, "Jesus, dude." [clears throat]
1:36:15>> Yeah. And if you
1:36:16>> So if everyone believed they were fake,
1:36:18it would hurt the game. Iran. How do you
1:36:20invaded Iraq? Like it's you have to have
1:36:22existential everyone dies from a button,
1:36:25which is classic narcissistic
1:36:26personality disorder. Like I will kill
1:36:29everyone if you don't do what I say. You
1:36:32know, I think some of these people would
1:36:33have hit the button. They're not they're
1:36:35like bloodthirsty people. You don't make
1:36:37weapons you don't use.
1:36:40And people go, "Well, my my uncle for 30
1:36:42years." I'm like, "He guarded a button.
1:36:45Watch the show Lost." You know, like
1:36:48when I was a kid, I was in those
1:36:49programs, you know, that now Candace
1:36:51Owens is revealing a CIA. And it's like
1:36:53I used to be in like work with this
1:36:55DARPA scientist to see if I could like
1:36:57feel consciousness in a box because of
1:36:59my IQ score and [ __ ] And [snorts] it's
1:37:01like I know those DARPA guys. I know how
1:37:03this [ __ ] works. It's like if you guard
1:37:04a button that's a red button and they're
1:37:07like if you press it, everyone dies.
1:37:09Like emotionally you now are invested.
1:37:11But did you ever see a [ __ ] nuke? No.
1:37:15Nagasaki and Hiroshima, Japan
1:37:17surrendered because 1.5 million Russians
1:37:19invaded Manuria. 48 hours later,
1:37:22Nagasaki Roshima, a bunch of people
1:37:24died, but way more people died in eight
1:37:26other Japanese cities because of
1:37:27firebombing because everything's wooden.
1:37:29You know, people on the ground said it
1:37:31was firebombing. There was only one
1:37:33journalist allowed to report on it. It
1:37:34was a Lithuanian Jew working for the
1:37:36State Department. That's where all of it
1:37:38came from. And it's like, why would they
1:37:41lie? Why wouldn't you lie? Like in I I
1:37:44can even understand why you're in a war.
1:37:46You want to end the war. This big like
1:37:48as a parent, you know, if you say
1:37:50there's a monster in the pond like like,
1:37:52"Oh, it's better for my kids. They won't
1:37:53drown."
1:37:54>> But then it has bullback. Every lie has
1:37:56bullback. Because that lie does work for
1:37:58a while. If everyone has a nuke, no one
1:38:00will fight because we'd all die. It's,
1:38:02you know, it's like prisoners dilemma
1:38:03type [ __ ] But then it becomes like a
1:38:07protection racket. If you have a nuke,
1:38:09you're in a club. If you don't, we can
1:38:11invade. It's all financial system [ __ ]
1:38:13And some people understand if this
1:38:14sounds like nonsense, but like
1:38:15>> do you think Trump thinks we have nukes?
1:38:17>> I do.
1:38:19>> That's what's interesting about
1:38:20>> I think he found out they didn't after
1:38:22like a I bet he's like [ __ ] press it.
1:38:24And I don't even think the general the
1:38:26generals might not even know. This is
1:38:27the craziest thing is some highle people
1:38:30don't get to know the truth because
1:38:31their motivations are all [ __ ] up and
1:38:32they're empty vessels.
1:38:33>> And if lies are so old then people die
1:38:36and the lies just stick.
1:38:38>> Yeah. Yeah. And it's like the carrots
1:38:39and sticks don't motivate them to figure
1:38:41out their basis of something. Like we
1:38:43just asked what is religion,
1:38:45right? So it's like you can have full
1:38:47structures like Fort Knox, no gold in
1:38:49it, but everyone's just acting like
1:38:50there is
1:38:51>> and there is magic in that. You act like
1:38:54things and then things start happening
1:38:55because of human behavior. It's very
1:38:57strange like what you and Tucker were
1:38:59talking about like fiat like if you
1:39:01believe it has value, you treat it like
1:39:04it has value and then the economy grows
1:39:06but it's a picture of a guy with wooden
1:39:08teeth. It's like what is a dollar? But
1:39:11like if you act like it, you do see the
1:39:13economy grow. But then as soon as people
1:39:15start questioning it and then people
1:39:17could say, "So what you're doing is
1:39:19damaging if people question these
1:39:20things. They're fundamental." I'm like,
1:39:21"No, no, no. It's starting to outweigh
1:39:23like every one of these scams ends in
1:39:25catastrophe because the lies you have to
1:39:28pay the debt back. You can't It's like
1:39:30biological usery with like drugs. Like
1:39:33if you do a lot of blow, you're going to
1:39:34have to sleep. Like you have to pay it
1:39:36back with interest. Lies eventually have
1:39:38to get paid back. You can't keep going
1:39:40with them. Especially if you're pulling
1:39:42something from them, you know, I see the
1:39:44nuke and I'm like trying to say this to
1:39:46like chill people out. I'm not trying to
1:39:48be a dick because people are so afraid.
1:39:50They're like we're all going to get
1:39:51nuked. I'm like, now what I think they
1:39:53would do is a mushroom cloud and then
1:39:54use 5G to mimic the [laughter]
1:39:57I'm like, but just don't be afraid. Like
1:39:59the key, you know, the Bible.
1:40:00>> Why would they kill you? You work
1:40:02>> exactly that. But it's about control. 30
1:40:0430 miles. Oh, no. There's a cloud of
1:40:06radiation and you could mimic the the
1:40:08effects because radiation needs energy.
1:40:11You can mimic the effects. You could
1:40:13radiate a population using a lot of
1:40:15electricity and like microwaves and
1:40:16[ __ ] but not that bad. But it can scare
1:40:20people to be like, "Oh, I can't go to
1:40:22that zone."
1:40:24>> From the recent files, it's clear
1:40:27Jeffrey Epste was obsessed with
1:40:28theoretical physics and mathematics.
1:40:30>> Yeah, he was the ultimate wizard, dude.
1:40:33That's a Him and Banner are both total
1:40:34wizards.
1:40:36>> Why do you think Epstein was so obsessed
1:40:37with mathematics?
1:40:39>> The wizard [ __ ] It's just a good Well,
1:40:42one, they all want to live forever,
1:40:43which they can't. So, um, they're always
1:40:46trying to do that. So, that's their
1:40:48whole thing. And they're like cuz once
1:40:50you get all the hydonic treadmill that's
1:40:51why I have a lot of respect for Bill
1:40:52Xarion cuz he's like there's nothing
1:40:54there. And when your identity is the guy
1:40:57that like banged his way into like a
1:41:00half a billion dollars like letting go
1:41:02of that is so cool that he did that
1:41:04where he's like it's like heroin.
1:41:06Nothing happens. You just keep banging
1:41:08and then nothing. I think what happens
1:41:10to a lot of these guys is they're like
1:41:12okay I want to live forever. Like I'm
1:41:14not satisfied by anything. My dick
1:41:16doesn't even work anymore. you know, and
1:41:18and you can't. But I don't even because
1:41:20they don't even have faith. It's like I
1:41:21think your temporal body dies, you know,
1:41:25it's like I think that might be the most
1:41:26beautiful thing to live a good life and
1:41:29die well. And they're like resisting it,
1:41:31you know? And I think that's why Epstein
1:41:33was so obsessed with science. He thinks
1:41:34that they can crack the code, but it's
1:41:37like absurd. It's like saying, "I'm
1:41:39going to get rid of Winter." It's like,
1:41:40>> you don't think he was just blackmailing
1:41:42all the scientists?
1:41:43>> I don't think blackmail coercion only
1:41:45works once. I think he was feeding I
1:41:47think it's far darker to admit that they
1:41:49he was feeding them these horrible
1:41:51things and they wanted to be there
1:41:53because imagine if I'm like Jack put me
1:41:55on Thursday or else I'm going to reveal
1:41:58we're never buddies again. Like you have
1:42:00one time and that'll work for about a
1:42:02few months and then you're going to try
1:42:03and kill me.
1:42:05>> So to get a long-term coercion, you want
1:42:07to feed them [ __ ] You want to give them
1:42:10stem cells and access to the horrors.
1:42:12You know, it's like feed them appetite
1:42:14[ __ ] that they can't get other places.
1:42:17This is actually one problem I had with
1:42:20uh one of Tucker's pieces of rhetoric
1:42:21was the whole idea around demons kind of
1:42:24influencing people's behaviors is it
1:42:27>> I would say the counterargument I'm not
1:42:29saying I think this is the case. Just
1:42:31what I thought about was maybe like
1:42:32we're just too afraid to look at that
1:42:34people can be pretty [ __ ] up
1:42:35sometimes. Dude, I have a friend that I
1:42:37respect a lot that says that the key is
1:42:39to not say like a demon like it's it's
1:42:43influence. So, it's like it's as long as
1:42:45you still take authority, I think you
1:42:47can have the conversation of of
1:42:49influence of like an entity influencing
1:42:52you, the minute you say like, "Oh, I was
1:42:55simply possessed." That's that's again
1:42:56victim consciousness. That's the
1:42:58behavior of the very people that people
1:43:00are calling the evil people. Oh, we had
1:43:02to bomb Lebanon. If not, we'd be turned
1:43:03into soap or whatever. You know, it's
1:43:05like everyone does that. People are
1:43:07doing that with Jews now. They're like,
1:43:09"We have to do this or else they're
1:43:11going to I'm like, dude, it's all in
1:43:14here, man.
1:43:15>> It's in here." Like, the demon can't
1:43:18make you do anything. It's like a
1:43:20suggestion. It's an offer. Cuz the
1:43:22minute you say it's demons doing it,
1:43:23you've now given up your free will and
1:43:25then everything flips. It doesn't work
1:43:27anymore. I'm with you with that.
1:43:28>> What do you think OCD is?
1:43:32>> Great question. I listen to this guy,
1:43:35Lord Buckley. He's like an old school
1:43:39comedy writer that was in that scene,
1:43:40was like a junkie, recovered, and he
1:43:43does these long bios on comedians. And I
1:43:44didn't know how like dark a lot of their
1:43:46lives were, like the the classics, you
1:43:48know, like dark lives, man. And like
1:43:51Chris Farley had OCD, and he once said,
1:43:54"It's me evening the score." And I've
1:43:57been thinking about that a lot.
1:43:59You think it's a way to feel like you
1:44:01have control in a world where you don't
1:44:03feel like you have control where like if
1:44:04I tap this light switch nine times like
1:44:08I'm in control. That's all I got for
1:44:11that.
1:44:12What do you think it is?
1:44:17I think the idea of
1:44:20spirits with your best intentions and
1:44:22spirits with your worst intentions
1:44:24giving you thoughts makes sense a little
1:44:26bit. Um,
1:44:29>> I I really think it's some type of
1:44:31tapping into something spiritual. I
1:44:33can't tell what it is. Yeah,
1:44:35>> it feels like that.
1:44:36>> You think it's ritual? It's almost like
1:44:37a religious act
1:44:41>> cuz I look at Christian ritual versus
1:44:42nonsense. Like Christian rituals that
1:44:45have purpose. Like I used to think the
1:44:47the bread and wine was dark and I now
1:44:50think it's great. It's it's it's getting
1:44:52people off cannibalism. Like the bread
1:44:55is the Yeah. I now think it's awesome.
1:44:57And so when a ritual has purpose, it's
1:45:00great. And I know a lot of religious
1:45:03calls that they're they don't even know
1:45:04why they're doing it. Like dude, some of
1:45:06the Jays are so funny. They're like
1:45:07they'll like spin a towel and jump
1:45:09backwards and you're like, why did you
1:45:10do that? They're like, we don't know.
1:45:12And I think that's kind of OCD. It's
1:45:14ritual. It's a a religious ritual
1:45:17without a purpose. And I don't know what
1:45:19that does.
1:45:22I think everyone has a I occasionally
1:45:24I'll find myself being like why did I do
1:45:27that? Like that didn't make any sense.
1:45:28>> I think it's taking uh meaningless
1:45:31action on anxiety typically, but like I
1:45:33I wouldn't consider anxiety to be like
1:45:35DSM5 type anxiety. Like I I use it as a
1:45:38word to describe just I guess what is
1:45:41anxiety? It's probably like um just
1:45:43uncertainty really.
1:45:44>> Dude, manual labor, bro. That's that's
1:45:46like OCD in the right side up cuz you
1:45:49get anxiety cuz you're not doing
1:45:50anything that you can look at and be
1:45:52like sweet. So you're like
1:45:55But if you're just doing that [ __ ] you
1:45:57you don't need to do that cuz you're do
1:45:59you're physically getting your anxiety
1:46:01out by positively affecting the world
1:46:03around you. Like being a parent, it's
1:46:05building self-esteem is all about little
1:46:06wins all the time.
1:46:07>> Exactly.
1:46:08>> Yeah. like you want that chore like this
1:46:11thing like just building it slowly and
1:46:13it's like that with um accomplishment
1:46:16like think about how many jobs you don't
1:46:17get to see the end results why I'm the
1:46:18stair freak like I love the stairs like
1:46:21you can be a billionaire and you never
1:46:22see it end you just are in this stream
1:46:25of [ __ ]
1:46:25>> it's literally nothing
1:46:27>> nothing's there
1:46:29>> yeah I I haven't given much thought to
1:46:31that but like it's like castles and
1:46:33airships bro imagine a castle you're
1:46:35like ta [laughter] right versus like
1:46:38it's just a stream is, you know, when
1:46:40you look at a moving river, that's why I
1:46:42love doing the live stream by the
1:46:43liveream. It's never the same. It's
1:46:45never one thing. It's always something
1:46:47different all the time. And I think
1:46:49consciousness is kind of like that. Like
1:46:50it's the river as a thing is always
1:46:54something new. Like the water is never
1:46:56the same like a lake. You can't be like
1:46:59the water of the river, it just changed,
1:47:01changed, changed. There's no present to
1:47:03a river.
1:47:04>> This is a good one for you. What do you
1:47:06think IQ is?
1:47:08I do actually think it's culturally
1:47:10subjective a little bit and I know
1:47:11>> Do you really think it's a genetics
1:47:12thing or do you think it's possible that
1:47:14it's some behavior anxiety, some
1:47:16uncertainty?
1:47:17>> I don't know cuz I used to take identity
1:47:20pride in it and now I don't because it's
1:47:22like I see the weaknesses of it and it's
1:47:25not even that great. It just means you
1:47:27can have processing speed to do
1:47:29nonsense. I think if you have good
1:47:30morality it doesn't [laughter] even
1:47:32matter. You know what I mean?
1:47:33>> I agree. It it might be like management
1:47:36like ability where you can con conceive
1:47:38of multiple things happening at the same
1:47:40time. Like I can play piano and do
1:47:42comedy and rip but but who cares,
1:47:44>> you know? It's like are if you're if you
1:47:46have like a a clean line of like
1:47:49fundamentals,
1:47:50you're so much more effective. Like some
1:47:52high IQ guys are just churning [ __ ]
1:47:54all the time and I like feel for them.
1:47:56They're like in constant misery. Like
1:47:59imagine working at NASA and ne and just
1:48:02never going to the moon. like your whole
1:48:04life you're like dude they said tomorrow
1:48:07forever
1:48:09dude every president is like by 1988 a
1:48:11baby you'll be born you look at even
1:48:13Musk it's like he's like by 2012 we'll
1:48:16be like you know having babies on the
1:48:18moon and it's like imagine being the guy
1:48:20like as a skeptic it doesn't affect me
1:48:21imagine being like here we go baby and
1:48:24it just never comes
1:48:25>> you could have just built some stairs
1:48:27>> right and then they have investment bias
1:48:29where they're like well I'm this far in
1:48:31I can't pull out now that's a big spell.
1:48:33I tell that to people even that have
1:48:34done horrible things in their life. One
1:48:36devil whisper is like, "You're far too
1:48:39in. They will never love you."
1:48:41>> Like, you cannot be forgiven. And that's
1:48:43a lie.
1:48:46>> You just have to admit it, though. You
1:48:47can't pretend it's good.
1:48:48>> You just have to admit it though. You
1:48:49can't pretend it's
1:48:50>> Yeah. You can't be like, "My identity I
1:48:52It's like I'm a drunk, dude." You know?
1:48:54Yeah. So what? I I kill some dudes. You
1:48:57know what I mean? You can't be like,
1:48:58"It's good." I think you can like be
1:49:01forgiven internally and just in life if
1:49:05you're just like, "Yeah, that was
1:49:06wrong." That's why I have respected
1:49:08Tucker, man. It's such a He genuinely
1:49:10does inspire me because they never admit
1:49:12they're wrong. And he was like, "Yeah, I
1:49:14was wrong about the Iraq war." Like
1:49:16that's so [ __ ] rare,
1:49:17>> right?
1:49:18>> Because they're of so much ego and it's
1:49:20just like just admit it. We all know
1:49:21it's [ __ ]
1:49:23>> Yeah. That's how you break your own
1:49:24spells that you put on yourself.
1:49:26>> None of us are always right. Like this
1:49:27idea of perfectionism
1:49:29is like insane. It's like we're all on a
1:49:31journey. If we always are right, then
1:49:33we're not exploring. We're not making
1:49:35mistakes. We're not trying new [ __ ] And
1:49:37what does right even mean, you know?
1:49:39>> Right.
1:49:40>> Right.
1:49:42>> Did you say that Nick Fuentes was a
1:49:44woman?
1:49:45>> I'd give it 15%.
1:49:48He's got that voice and he's like,
1:49:51"Dude, this is going to sound a little
1:49:53slant. I I don't even want to get into
1:49:54it, but it's just like cuz I may be
1:49:56completely wrong, but he admitted he's
1:49:57IVF made in a lab. And he just acts like
1:50:00he doesn't have This is going to sound
1:50:02>> It's a twin.
1:50:03>> I know
1:50:04>> you can IVF twins.
1:50:06>> They They always do that. And it's a
1:50:07girl twin. And he suspiciously is like
1:50:10very small and he has he has a voice
1:50:13that sounds hormonal and he just he acts
1:50:15like he doesn't have a penis.
1:50:17I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick, but
1:50:19he just he has that vibe of like
1:50:22of like, "Oh, I don't like you, you
1:50:24know, because I think he's funny in a
1:50:25way, but he's like mean girly."
1:50:27>> But dudes can act like that, too, you
1:50:30know? I don't He's probably not a woman,
1:50:31but
1:50:33you know, like Milo implied that there
1:50:35was a surgery gone wrong, but he can
1:50:36really just say wild [ __ ] [snorts]
1:50:39Like, I never start [ __ ] When people
1:50:42talk [ __ ] about me, I'm like, "You
1:50:44finally green lit me. I have all these
1:50:46jokes, you know,
1:50:47>> and so, you know, and I don't even care.
1:50:50But he has like just said flatout
1:50:52absurdities and I'm like,
1:50:53>> "Okay, I'll I'll dance. I like improv.
1:50:56I'll make fun of you." A white
1:50:57nationalist named Fentes. This is my
1:50:59[ __ ] birthday. [laughter]
1:51:01Might as well be named burrito. Like,
1:51:03this is hilarious.
1:51:05You know, he's like little. He's like
1:51:06this little dude. He's like 53. I The
1:51:09only thing I actually might have bigotry
1:51:10for, I might be a height supremacist,
1:51:12and I do work on that. It's just they're
1:51:15all short. Like all the monsters, it's
1:51:18not even like a race or a thing. They're
1:51:20all [ __ ] short.
1:51:21>> You think so,
1:51:22>> dude? You go through the whole list,
1:51:26dude. Even the serial killers. Ted Bundy
1:51:27was tall. So was that other guy. But the
1:51:29control, it's the control freak guys.
1:51:31>> You think serial killers are real?
1:51:34>> Good point, man. [laughter]
1:51:36>> Right.
1:51:37>> But if you're that M kid and you go
1:51:39along with it, it's still [ __ ] up.
1:51:40Dude, have you ever looked into Kelsey
1:51:42Grammar's family history?
1:51:43>> Don't know. Yeah.
1:51:44>> The guy from um Cheers who had that who
1:51:48had his own sitcom. He's the highest
1:51:50paid sitcom star. It was called uh you
1:51:52know what that show was? It was called
1:51:54like
1:51:56it was huge. He was like a bald guy
1:51:58who's a psychiatrist. All that [ __ ]
1:52:00It's hilarious you don't know that. It
1:52:01was like the biggest show ever. And um
1:52:04dude, two of his family members are
1:52:06murdered. It's insanely suspicious.
1:52:09And I always wonder like
1:52:12how do you go how do you become like
1:52:13that guy where you can get away with
1:52:15anything accused of rape you're always
1:52:16flipping cars on crack but yet you're
1:52:19the highest paid guy and your dad and
1:52:21sister your sister's killed by a serial
1:52:23killer
1:52:24and it's like the case is [ __ ] too
1:52:28and it's like I I think the Black Lives
1:52:31Matter shit's nuts. I also think that
1:52:33they sometimes do pin it on like just
1:52:36random black dude. I think this random
1:52:38black guy is like just got pinned as a
1:52:40[ __ ] serial killer and he's
1:52:41definitely not a serial killer. And the
1:52:44case is nuts. It was like he was real
1:52:47like jumpy with the cops. And I think
1:52:50what they do is they have these brands
1:52:51like serial killers and they'll like
1:52:53lump in kills with them as a branding
1:52:55thing.
1:52:56>> Right. Right. One one I noticed that I
1:52:59thought you would think was interesting
1:53:00was like it seems like
1:53:03anyone would be a afraid of joining a
1:53:06community that has like its own like
1:53:08religion and rules where they like are
1:53:10self-sufficient because uh it just
1:53:13sounds like a cult and like you just
1:53:15think that there's going to be like some
1:53:16like weird sex [ __ ]
1:53:17>> Yeah. Cuz people call me a cult leader
1:53:19all the time and I'm like like I'm like
1:53:22socially awkward. I like to be alone a
1:53:24ton and I don't tell people what
1:53:26religion to be. I don't even tell people
1:53:27to vote or I'm like so not the guy
1:53:30that's like you two be married. I like a
1:53:33monogous and I'm like oh it's because
1:53:37I'm not in your cult like right cuz I
1:53:40think cult short for culture like I do
1:53:42build culture you know I do but I think
1:53:45a cult implies truth comes from the
1:53:48leader which I actually is one of my
1:53:50fundamental things that I think is like
1:53:51one of the evils of the world. I'm like,
1:53:53I don't know the truth. Like, idol
1:53:55worship of a cult leader is like, hell,
1:53:58I would never want that cuz then they
1:54:00eventually hate you cuz you're also
1:54:01responsible for all the bad [ __ ] Idol
1:54:04worship is a [ __ ] up relationship,
1:54:06man. So, but yeah, you're right. Like,
1:54:08as soon as people are doing their own
1:54:09thing, oh, you drank the Kool-Aid. That
1:54:11guy was like, you ever look into that
1:54:14guy?
1:54:16>> What was his name again?
1:54:17>> I can't remember. But that was a total
1:54:18op. He was like this big liberal. He's
1:54:20like pushing
1:54:22every liberal talking point. Hollywood
1:54:24loved him, right? He's like has this
1:54:27church. He's like uh promoting like old
1:54:29black people. He's like the most liberal
1:54:31guy. And then they go to [ __ ] Africa.
1:54:33Like apparently poisons them with
1:54:34Kool-Aid. It wasn't even Kool-Aid. If I
1:54:36was Kool-Aid, it might have been an ad
1:54:38for Kool-Aid. Although I wouldn't I
1:54:41don't know. I don't think that one
1:54:42works. No one's like I want to drink
1:54:44Kool-Aid after that [ __ ] you know? But
1:54:46it was like a different drink. It wasn't
1:54:48even Kool-Aid.
1:54:49>> I remember that. Yeah. like the end of a
1:54:51story CIA went in and I don't know it
1:54:53just just didn't make much sense to me.
1:54:56>> You wrote in your book in chapter 7, a
1:54:58man whose entire identity is his
1:55:00appearance is a man who has abandoned
1:55:02his function. What do you think of looks
1:55:04maxing?
1:55:05>> I think it's that's why I do toil
1:55:07maxing. I have like a tiny soft spot for
1:55:09kovvicular cuz it's just maxing is such
1:55:12a funny theme and I love themes. I don't
1:55:14know if he invented it or not, but I
1:55:16always give credit if someone starts a
1:55:17funny thing like like dude, it's so
1:55:21vapid and [ __ ] but objectively
1:55:24hilarious. He's sitting with this chick
1:55:25and she's like, "Why aren't you drinking
1:55:26water? Why?" He goes, "I'm penis
1:55:28maxing." He wanted to make his penis
1:55:30look a little longer and he didn't act
1:55:32like it was funny. And I was like,
1:55:34"That's if he like is deeply doing a
1:55:36joke, that's like the funniest thing
1:55:38ever." But anyway, so as far as spells
1:55:40go, it actually cucks you to women, you
1:55:42know, because you're saying like, I want
1:55:44to be adorned as beautiful. It it like
1:55:48actually lowers a man's value, you know?
1:55:50And I'm not saying not to look better
1:55:52and care about your appearance, but it's
1:55:54like I'll spend money to look beautiful
1:55:57so a woman wants me. It's like
1:56:00I don't know. To me, that's just so
1:56:02strange. What's the I I'm not asking
1:56:04like
1:56:05>> No, I like looks maxing should be like
1:56:07nutrition, exercise. I believe in
1:56:10physioamy. I think your face starts
1:56:11matching your lifestyle, you know? Like
1:56:14I'm fine with all that, but if someone's
1:56:16like smashing their nose and taking
1:56:19hormones and like they're sterile and
1:56:21they're like spending all their money,
1:56:24you know, they're like, "Chad is so
1:56:26jealous." No. I'm like, you know, men
1:56:29should look healthy and be respectable
1:56:32looking, but like it's typically about
1:56:35making them feel safe, having a purpose,
1:56:37working hard. That's, you know,
1:56:38>> you don't think women only care about
1:56:40looks?
1:56:41>> No, I think they don't like ugly, but
1:56:44they can even roll with ugly.
1:56:47I don't know, man. I've It's like they
1:56:49care about looks if they're just like
1:56:50banging a guy or something, but women
1:56:51aren't even designed to bang guys.
1:56:53That's like totally insane. Imagine if
1:56:56if if every time you had sex you could
1:56:58get pregnant nine months you're like
1:57:00super vulnerable and then you have to
1:57:02raise a child from the man's like and I
1:57:06know we have like a system that changed
1:57:07all that but their genetics are still
1:57:09that
1:57:10>> right like women aren't designed to be
1:57:13like men are designed to be more
1:57:14promiscuous even though I still believe
1:57:16in monogamy but like the female
1:57:18lifestyle is nuts that's why they're all
1:57:19on these [ __ ] pills cuz they're like
1:57:21they're not supposed to be banging looks
1:57:23maxers even they are attracted to these
1:57:25guys, but it's a they end up going nuts
1:57:28from that. They're not supposed to do
1:57:29that. And I'm not like shaming them like
1:57:32some of these guys. I feel bad for them.
1:57:34I'm like, dude, you don't have to do
1:57:36that. Like, your value is way bigger
1:57:38than just like blowing a guy with good
1:57:41clviculars. Like, it's just weird,
1:57:44right? You know what I mean? And I
1:57:46always [laughter] did I always did well.
1:57:48And I'm like, no, I'm not a I can play,
1:57:50you know,
1:57:51>> how tall are you?
1:57:51>> 6'8. That's It gets almost weird at that
1:57:54point though. No. And I can play Bach by
1:57:56ear and [ __ ] and I'm funny.
1:57:58>> You play Bach by ear?
1:57:59>> Well, I'm like I'm like really good at
1:58:01the piano and that that would like
1:58:03oddly, you know, and I can be dominant
1:58:06in a room and all that, but I'm not like
1:58:07a stud at all. I would I would always
1:58:09outkick. Like my wife's better looking
1:58:11than me. It's like, but I I I feel like
1:58:13it should be like that. I'm like I'm not
1:58:16supposed to be beautiful. I'm supposed
1:58:17to be awesome.
1:58:19[laughter]
1:58:20>> Right.
1:58:20>> I like that a lot actually. Right. And
1:58:22dude, I know like I used to be buddies
1:58:24with like a I'll tell you after but like
1:58:27a major stud actor like stud
1:58:31and he would always like I would almost
1:58:33do like I was like a bus boy and I'm
1:58:36like bro you were like on a one of the
1:58:39biggest shows in the world. You're like
1:58:42a 11. I'm like, and you're always like
1:58:45weird about I'm like and I'm like a
1:58:47[ __ ] bus boy who st smells like booze
1:58:50and [ __ ] like what is this? And it's
1:58:52I think a lot of it's just your vibe.
1:58:53It's just like
1:58:54>> you're saying he wasn't good with girls.
1:58:55>> He could be like he'd date like
1:58:57attractive women but he'd be like man
1:59:00how do you do it dude? I'm like you're
1:59:02like [ __ ]
1:59:04Like what are you doing?
1:59:05>> Looks help for about two and a half
1:59:06seconds.
1:59:07>> Yeah. It's like vibe. It's like being
1:59:08famous on stage. You have five minutes
1:59:10where they'll laugh and then you have to
1:59:11be funny. Like if you're a famous
1:59:13comedian, they're like, "Oh, [ __ ] This
1:59:15is great." And then it's like a crowd
1:59:18will turn on the most famous comic if
1:59:20they're not funny.
1:59:20>> 100%.
1:59:22>> I see this on YouTube a lot. It's like
1:59:24big YouTubers, if you make a bad video,
1:59:25like it [ __ ] flops, you know?
1:59:27>> Yeah. Think about a woman if it's like I
1:59:28want my children to be legendary, right?
1:59:31Do they want to be like a ninth AB or
1:59:34like being in a community and structure
1:59:36that's safe and nurtures them and they
1:59:38have like morality to become like kings
1:59:40and [ __ ]
1:59:41>> right? So, they want you to be a try.
1:59:43I'm not like against working out and
1:59:45trying to improve, but like how about
1:59:48get really good at a skill. Have guys
1:59:49treat you, you know, I was just talking
1:59:51to Jake Shields about that where it's
1:59:52like being a world champion, it's how
1:59:54men treat you. They don't know what a
1:59:55[ __ ] armbar is. But when men are
1:59:57like, "Yo, that's the champion." Women
1:59:59are like, "That's great." And you can do
2:00:01that with like plumbing and [ __ ] If
2:00:03other guys are like, "Dude, that guy
2:00:05built his whole house from like [ __ ]
2:00:06wood pallets." Women are like, "That's
2:00:08super attractive." H you said
2:00:10physiogamy. Uh what can you tell about
2:00:12someone by looking at their face?
2:00:15>> I think that you're like by 40 you start
2:00:18getting a face of your lifestyle. Like I
2:00:20think I call it allegations face where
2:00:22like creepy guys they start they have a
2:00:24look where their face starts looking
2:00:26pervy. And I also think like I didn't
2:00:29used to be able to grow a beard because
2:00:30I was like more LA like you know mouse
2:00:33utopia guy. And then as soon as I
2:00:35started getting a little anti-Semitic I
2:00:37got a [ __ ] beard.
2:00:39No, but seriously, as soon as I started
2:00:40being like like I have children I have
2:00:42to protect. I have like blah blah blah,
2:00:44my voice went down a little and my
2:00:46[ __ ] jaw got bigger. Isn't that
2:00:48hilarious?
2:00:50>> Do you think money buys happiness?
2:00:52>> No. But it's energy. So like I I'm not
2:00:55against money, but it like helps you do
2:00:57the thing that you are. So like you can
2:01:00accomplish more. You have more freedom
2:01:01to do cool things. Like if you have a
2:01:03lot of money, you can, you know, take
2:01:05your children to the coral reef and show
2:01:06them that, you know, like it's awesome,
2:01:08but it doesn't make you anything. It
2:01:10doesn't change you fundamentally. It
2:01:12actually amplifies your traits.
2:01:15It's like being drunk, right? It's like
2:01:17the fun guy gets super fun and the dark
2:01:19depressing guy gets like super dark,
2:01:21right? It like amplifies. It's like an
2:01:22exclamation point. Maybe not being
2:01:25drunk. Some people switch. But
2:01:28>> do you think money's real?
2:01:30I think it's such a good question. It's
2:01:33like is a soccer point real? It's like
2:01:35>> exactly
2:01:36>> I told my kids once and it's so true and
2:01:38my buddy coaches a soccer team too.
2:01:41>> You could be beaten 20 to zero if you
2:01:43score one goal and celebrate the other
2:01:45team gets demoralized.
2:01:47It's so funny, dude.
2:01:50>> They're like like my kids be like,
2:01:51"Yeah." And the other team's like, "I
2:01:53thought we won." It's like, "No, but
2:01:56they're really pumped for what they
2:01:57did." I think that's like what money is.
2:01:59Like I think my expectations were pretty
2:02:01low. So when I would make big checks, I
2:02:03would be like, "Whoa." But if I was from
2:02:04like a billionaire family, I'd be like,
2:02:06"Papa, I only made 20 mil this year. I'm
2:02:09pathet."
2:02:10[laughter] So it is relative, but land
2:02:13isn't relative. If you want to talk
2:02:14wealth with land, you know, 100 acres,
2:02:16you can raise this amount of cattle. You
2:02:17can get this amount of stuff like that
2:02:19is real. Silver is a valuable asset.
2:02:22Gold valuable asset. They can do this,
2:02:24this, this. But dollars is a is a point
2:02:27in a game that is rigged. I mean, they
2:02:29just do print it and give it to retards.
2:02:31>> Who prints it?
2:02:33>> There's a variety of ways. Like the the
2:02:35skyrocketing housing prices is a form of
2:02:38printing money. So like when you get a
2:02:39mortgage, that money is created when you
2:02:41sign it. So like let's say you put down
2:02:43a h 100red grand, $700,000 mortgage,
2:02:46that's printed now. So that just came
2:02:48out of nothing.
2:02:50>> And so that's one form of inflation.
2:02:53They also can be like, "Well, we're
2:02:54facing a war." That's why they love war,
2:02:56pestilence, all the four horses of the
2:02:58apocalypse. Because like people get so
2:03:00scared. They're like, "Yeah, I mean,
2:03:01what are we going to do? We have to
2:03:03print a trillion dollars or, you know,
2:03:05and then they and then it just makes all
2:03:06the other dollars worth less." You know,
2:03:08>> we also have to build all this
2:03:09technology in the meantime as well.
2:03:11>> And what is it really doing? You know, I
2:03:13have a I bought a truck that's 99
2:03:16370,000 miles and it doesn't break ever.
2:03:20You know, the new [ __ ] is super
2:03:22interesting. Like I love tech. Like we
2:03:23connect it. Like we can look at each
2:03:25other's videos and stuff. But as far as
2:03:27engines and [ __ ] they're not improving
2:03:30engines. They're not improving some of
2:03:31this [ __ ] that I'm like like I'm
2:03:33starting to come up with ways to
2:03:34generate energy with like water wheels
2:03:36and [ __ ] I'm like, why aren't more
2:03:37people doing this? It's like a control
2:03:39structure.
2:03:39>> This might be our last podcast then.
2:03:42[laughter]
2:03:42>> No, I'm not good enough at it where I'm
2:03:44a threat. I'm like just under it where
2:03:46they're like, h he's not really going to
2:03:48do it. But I I have met guys that that
2:03:50have done some [ __ ] though. Have you
2:03:52heard about that? What's that one act
2:03:53called? It's like the uh patent privacy
2:03:55act. Do you know what I'm talking about?
2:03:57>> Where if you make something that
2:03:59challenges them, they can just like take
2:04:01it and hide it. Is that what it is?
2:04:02>> Yeah. There's like 8,000 patents. If if
2:04:04it's a threat to national security,
2:04:06>> I do get it. Imagine if someone's like,
2:04:07"Okay, oil's completely unnecessary."
2:04:10Like that would be horrifying,
2:04:11>> right?
2:04:12>> Right. But I that's why you got to like
2:04:14slowly do it privately. I'm all about
2:04:16the private. The private's where it's
2:04:17at. Like I I know a dude who actually
2:04:19created something where like and I don't
2:04:21know how it worked but and he's like
2:04:24super good at this [ __ ] where he made
2:04:26magnets like starting to make
2:04:27electricity and he was like bringing it
2:04:29to a to like a a show and it did like
2:04:33black [ __ ] cars did take it like
2:04:36fact. And they were just like you can't
2:04:38do that.
2:04:40He's like all right. They didn't like
2:04:41kill them or anything. They're just like
2:04:42you can't bring that to market. Like you
2:04:44can have that but you can't sell that.
2:04:47That's what I think uh prohibition was.
2:04:48I think people were making fuel, not
2:04:50booze. Because like I think about that
2:04:53all the time. I'm like, "Dude, I have an
2:04:54orchard. I'm going to make [ __ ]
2:04:55ethanol." You know, and they're like,
2:04:57"Oh, the [laughter] ra the Rockefellers
2:05:00don't want you to be drunk." What the
2:05:03[ __ ]
2:05:04>> You mentioned Vivian Kubri earlier.
2:05:06>> Yeah.
2:05:07>> There's a theory about her father,
2:05:09Stanley Kubri, uh that he was trying to
2:05:12expose the elite sex cults operating in
2:05:15Hollywood with that movie. uh eyes wide
2:05:17shut and that he died 6 days after
2:05:21handing his final cut to the studio.
2:05:23>> Mhm.
2:05:25>> Did you ask his daughter about
2:05:26>> kind of I don't think she knows about
2:05:28that stuff. She's a very sweet person
2:05:30and I was just trying to have a good
2:05:31chat with her and I have my own
2:05:33theories. I think good art just exposes
2:05:35everything without even intention. Like
2:05:38I don't even know if that was his goal.
2:05:39But because I see [ __ ] in that movie
2:05:41where where it's even more exposing
2:05:43about just the nature of reality and
2:05:45dreams and power like that that ritual
2:05:49is real life. It's just they're have the
2:05:51robes on. You can't see it cuz the party
2:05:53is matching the ritual, right? Where
2:05:56they're like you sh like the behavior of
2:05:59the alpha in the party and all the
2:06:01people around him is matching. you know,
2:06:03they have the the horror Babylon and all
2:06:05the the the figures and he's almost just
2:06:07like he's almost like like comedy in a
2:06:10way, but like horror. He's like he's
2:06:12like showing you reality in a way that's
2:06:14like it's like a metaphor, you know?
2:06:18Cuz the thing that always blows my mind
2:06:20is show it in me and that's when I'm
2:06:22like holy [ __ ] Like show that I'm doing
2:06:25a ritual or like
2:06:27you know that.
2:06:29And I think he did that well and I think
2:06:31The Shining did that too. And I think I
2:06:33I don't I don't think that any I don't
2:06:35think he was killed. I I don't know,
2:06:36man. It was sketchy, but like
2:06:41they still released the movie. It's like
2:06:42they didn't hide the movie.
2:06:43>> Well, they cut out what 24 minutes or
2:06:46something.
2:06:46>> I know. They're also just like so
2:06:48[ __ ] though. It's like could they
2:06:50know what to cut out? They're like empty
2:06:51vessels.
2:06:53But heart attacks are real sketchy. Like
2:06:55that's
2:06:57>> I don't know, man. And I mean, if you're
2:06:58looking at Nicole Kidman's dad, dude,
2:07:01biggest land owner in all of Australia
2:07:02and like facing tons of horrific
2:07:05allegations and the name is Kid Man.
2:07:08>> But it again, I don't know. Died
2:07:10mysteriously, all that [ __ ] It's just a
2:07:11strange person to star in that movie,
2:07:14>> right?
2:07:15>> I think he's like autistic genius type
2:07:18and just naturally, dude. 2001 Space
2:07:20Odyssey is nuts. The obelisk is right
2:07:23next to like the the World Trade Center.
2:07:26It's the exact dimensions of the
2:07:28obelisk. They fall in 2001 and it's the
2:07:31same look as a [ __ ] iPhone and it
2:07:33like has it's like there's so much [ __ ]
2:07:35in there and I don't He might have just
2:07:37been riffing and it's just like really
2:07:40good art can just show the future
2:07:42sometimes, you know,
2:07:44cuz it's so detailed. I'm like, how
2:07:46logistically how do you do that? Like
2:07:48the Matrix, you know, Neo's birthday is
2:07:49911 2001 on his passport. Like
2:07:53cuz I see synchronicities all the time
2:07:55happen. Do you know who made that movie?
2:07:57>> The the trans uh grabbar guys.
2:07:59>> Yeah, I swear I looked up who made that
2:08:00movie and it was
2:08:01>> the Wakowski brothers that cut the wien
2:08:03off.
2:08:03>> Yeah. And then I looked up who made it a
2:08:06year later. I was like, "Oh, it was two
2:08:07women women made it." And I was like,
2:08:08"What?"
2:08:09>> Cuz that was pretty recent, right?
2:08:11>> Yeah. Their red pill was a It was
2:08:12estrogen, I think.
2:08:14>> Huh.
2:08:15>> Well, my joke is always, "Don't take any
2:08:16pill from a black guy in a leather
2:08:18trench coat."
2:08:19>> I like breaking binaries cuz one big
2:08:21wizard spell is like, "Which pill?" I'm
2:08:23like, that assumes pill. That's authent
2:08:25that's authoritative speech.
2:08:27>> The real pill is there's no pill.
2:08:30>> Yeah, dude. They've said the red pill is
2:08:32about transitioning. And I'm like,
2:08:35truther, but there's a lot of truth in
2:08:36it, too. It's like the truthers can see
2:08:38it as like getting out of the the
2:08:40system. And they're like, no, it's about
2:08:41cutting off the wean. And you're like,
2:08:44dude, or that's humiliation. I don't
2:08:45know.
2:08:46>> Why do you think millennials are
2:08:48obsessed with Harry Potter?
2:08:49>> Yeah. Do you think that's demonic? Um,
2:08:52in a way, yeah, because I think
2:08:54Dumbledore was like Epstein kind of.
2:08:57Dude, it's a little island where they
2:08:59take kid runaways in a train. It's just
2:09:01like they teach him magic and they're
2:09:03exposed to a guy that becomes a wolf
2:09:05every [ __ ] full moon. It's just like
2:09:07it just doesn't feel like a safe
2:09:08environment for kids. You know what I
2:09:11mean? It's like troubled kids go there
2:09:14to learn magic with a childless gay guy
2:09:18in a [ __ ] castle in a magical land,
2:09:21right? And in London, you have to go
2:09:23through like a strange doorway. It's
2:09:25just But I don't think it was
2:09:26intentional. I think Jay I think Rawling
2:09:28was like being passionate about it and
2:09:30like writing well, but you know there's
2:09:34no rules in the sport. I like a lot of
2:09:36it frustrates me.
2:09:37>> Do you think a lot of people just make
2:09:38art and some of it gets pushed more than
2:09:40others? That's how I think it completely
2:09:42works. I think it's editorial. I think
2:09:44like even a lot of these SCOPS, I think
2:09:46because I'll see a news story start
2:09:48going up, the details aren't matching
2:09:49the agenda and it's gone. I think
2:09:51they're looking at human behavior and
2:09:53they're and they're like, "Oh, promote
2:09:55th this is what we want." Cuz when I was
2:09:57selling scripts in Hollywood, they never
2:09:58told us the agenda. They're like, "This
2:10:00year we're looking for this theme." And
2:10:03so we're all writing the scripts and the
2:10:05money's so big that we're just thinking
2:10:06about selling the script, you know,
2:10:08getting it syndicated. It's like our
2:10:10carrot is that and they get 15 scripts,
2:10:14get it down to five, they shoot three,
2:10:15they green light one, and it's just the
2:10:17thing they wanted. They don't tell us.
2:10:20They're like of all the scripts, this
2:10:21one matches it. We have the, you know,
2:10:23there's a kid in a wheelchair, there's a
2:10:25trans, you know, whatever they want,
2:10:27they do. You know, like Modern Family, I
2:10:29sold a script that year about like a
2:10:31family that's strange and odd and
2:10:33different. And so I sold a script for 50
2:10:35grand. But then the next layer like the
2:10:37first layer of executives are like oh
2:10:39these are really good scripts and the
2:10:41next layer like that's a hero that makes
2:10:43too much sense that gives you hope
2:10:45>> right [laughter]
2:10:46no that like cuz Hollywood so many
2:10:48people are not in that they're not all
2:10:49like the thing that they do though is
2:10:52they turn the other they look away to
2:10:55keep their [ __ ] is what most of them
2:10:57do like most of them are not like eating
2:11:00kids they're just like they will
2:11:02ostracize someone who points out an
2:11:04obvious thing is what most of the evil
2:11:05of Hollywood is. And then there's some
2:11:07dudes that are real [ __ ] up.
2:11:11>> This is an important one that I feel
2:11:13like you would have a compelling theory
2:11:14about, but do you think
2:11:17I mean it sounds super basic, but I I
2:11:20just I still don't know. And I think I
2:11:22know, but do you think algorithms show
2:11:24you what you want to watch or do you
2:11:26think it's more sophisticated than that?
2:11:28>> I think it's a combination.
2:11:30I think it wants to feed you so you stay
2:11:32engaged and then steer you,
2:11:34>> right?
2:11:37>> Isn't that the concept of carrot stick?
2:11:38>> Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And and like
2:11:40controlled opposition and all that. And
2:11:42people just do it naturally and they
2:11:44don't even realize they're doing it.
2:11:45They're like, I want you to look at me
2:11:46and then I'm going to sell you the thing
2:11:48I want to sell you. Like that's what
2:11:49controlled opposition is. But I see that
2:11:51a lot in history where it's like, you
2:11:53know, you see that in Germany where it's
2:11:55like base Germany and then you got a guy
2:11:57saying all the right [ __ ] and then just
2:11:59starts bringing you into like a
2:12:01slaughter. You know what I mean? Like I
2:12:03think all sides of war is [ __ ] up. I
2:12:06think it's like a I always tell my kids
2:12:07no wars. Like don't ever fight a war.
2:12:10It's an agreement to die in a weird way.
2:12:14You know,
2:12:15>> it's an agreement to die in a weird way.
2:12:17>> It's strange rhetoric, but it's true.
2:12:19It's like it's like you're giving up so
2:12:21much autonomy. Like that's what I mean.
2:12:23Like do they have awareness of what
2:12:24they're doing? They're like you're the
2:12:26enemy. I have a buddy that's killed
2:12:27people in war. He's like it didn't even
2:12:29feel real. He's like there's the guy you
2:12:32shoot him. I didn't know him. It's like
2:12:34>> Call of Duty,
2:12:35>> right? Exactly. Exactly. And it's like
2:12:38And now you're agreeing to also be that
2:12:40guy on the other side. Like that's not
2:12:43real war. It's not like that's
2:12:45industrial. It's slaughter. It's like
2:12:46how you slaughter animals, you know?
2:12:47It's like,
2:12:49>> so that's why I think all war I'm I'm
2:12:51never on his side of anybody in a war
2:12:53unless it's a defensive existential war
2:12:56of like a homeland or something. But if
2:12:58you're funded big, it's eugenic in my
2:13:02opinion. And I just don't trust. I'm
2:13:04just like
2:13:06that's why I'm always like I used to I
2:13:08did a a shirt years ago. I think it said
2:13:10should have homesteaded or something.
2:13:11It's like my and I could be wrong but my
2:13:14whole theory is like get non-dependent
2:13:17and that's the whole thing like you
2:13:19can't you can't fight
2:13:22that you you know because people would
2:13:23say do not rely I was like do not no do
2:13:25not comply I was like do not rely
2:13:28because you have to comply if you rely
2:13:30like if you give me all my water even if
2:13:33you tell me to hop on one foot like
2:13:35unless I have water I should hop on one
2:13:37foot that's the biblical thing of like
2:13:39slaves be good to your master if If you
2:13:41want to be free, you have to [ __ ] get
2:13:43your own water,
2:13:45right? And and no, and that's why people
2:13:47can see me as this like boogeyman cuz
2:13:49they just don't want to admit that. Like
2:13:50I, you know, I can have wacky theories.
2:13:52I can be whatever, but like obviously
2:13:54I'm not some boogeyman. It's that
2:13:57concept. They're like, "Fuck Owen
2:13:59Benjamin." Cuz it's like, "No, no,
2:14:01they're poisoning me." I'm like, "Dude,
2:14:03you can grow a plant, man." They're
2:14:06like, "Well, I don't have land like
2:14:08you." I'm like, "Dude, you can grow it
2:14:09in a window sill. just one [ __ ]
2:14:11tomato. I think something spiritual
2:14:13happens when you grow one thing. I'm
2:14:15always like, grow one thing. Grow one
2:14:17sprout. I think you literally go to
2:14:19another side where you're like
2:14:21productive. It like cuz you're like, oh
2:14:23my god, one tomato has 100 seeds. 100
2:14:25seeds has 100 tomatoes. That's
2:14:26exponentially unlimited. Well, what's
2:14:29the It's like this thing that happens.
2:14:31>> And this thing makes me healthier as
2:14:32well. It has all this like genetic DNA.
2:14:34>> It's unlimited and it's free. It's like
2:14:37every tomato. It's such basic [ __ ]
2:14:39Every tomato is filled with seeds that
2:14:40make tomato plants that make unlimited
2:14:42tomatoes and they just require water,
2:14:44dirt, and care.
2:14:47Like that's why I've tried to change the
2:14:48rhetoric. I can't afford a house to I
2:14:50can't build a house. I'm like imagine if
2:14:53you could build a house. It's like might
2:14:54be not. People used to buy houses off
2:14:56the Sears catalog and build them. And I
2:14:59don't have those skills, but like what
2:15:01if we reach for those skills? Then we're
2:15:02not in any debt. You buy You build a
2:15:04house. I have buddies that do that all
2:15:05the time. They make 17 bucks an hour.
2:15:08They own their house cuz they slowly
2:15:10built them with random [ __ ] they got at
2:15:11construction sites and they have like
2:15:13eight kids and they're crushing, you
2:15:15know.
2:15:17>> I know this is the worst question to ask
2:15:19someone who's a former comedian and
2:15:21still is a comedian, of course.
2:15:22>> I bet I'd still wrestle with that, too.
2:15:24>> What's the joke that would get this
2:15:26podcast deleted
2:15:29>> at this point? None. Because I think
2:15:31that everything's moved over. Like I'm
2:15:32not the guy that ever wanted to like be
2:15:36like we got to kill these guys. I was
2:15:39always the guy being like look at this
2:15:41inversion and they're all out now, you
2:15:43know? Like to the point where
2:15:46I don't know. I mean I also make fun of
2:15:48like vets and [ __ ] I'm not a
2:15:50hypocrite. Like a lot of my audience are
2:15:51vets and I'm like okay that's the sacred
2:15:53cow and they appreciate it, you know.
2:15:55>> What's your favorite joke to tell your
2:15:57kids?
2:15:57>> Oh dude, they just like silly [ __ ]
2:15:59Dude, kids are so It's such a good
2:16:01question cuz like it really challenges
2:16:04me
2:16:06to be more actually funny than just to
2:16:09release stress. Like a lot of my I get
2:16:11people to laugh cuz I release stress.
2:16:13Oh, my wife doesn't really hate me.
2:16:15Right. But you need like the trauma and
2:16:17the stress for me to do that. So a kid
2:16:19is so pure. But they're so easy to make
2:16:22laugh if you're just like like just
2:16:23having a blast. Like they just like they
2:16:26I do videos at my campground where I
2:16:28just ride around in the four-wheeler and
2:16:30I make funny faces and pretend I'm going
2:16:31super fast and they think it's like the
2:16:33funniest [ __ ] ever.
2:16:35And I and it is I mean say what you will
2:16:37about Bill Cosby.
2:16:39His like and I I always didn't like that
2:16:42guy but his sound effects kids always
2:16:44thought it was funny. like the booted
2:16:45pops [laughter]
2:16:48and then he did some and stuff but like
2:16:51he did know that aspect but he always
2:16:54told everybody everyone knew he did a
2:16:56joke where he's like Spanish fly you put
2:16:58it in the drink it's great like he was
2:17:00never hiding it he tried to buy NBC and
2:17:04they're like you're out of here they
2:17:05hate competition same with Harvey
2:17:06Weinstein of course he's a pervert
2:17:08psycho they all are my folder said he
2:17:12once ate a pot brownie these guys all
2:17:14have all this [ __ ] where they're like,
2:17:15"Okay, unleash cuz they don't let you
2:17:18buy the means of production." Like
2:17:19Weinstein wanted uh Weinstein Company to
2:17:22to take more over of Warner Brothers and
2:17:25it's like mafia [ __ ] They're like, "Oh,
2:17:27no, no, no, no. Let's get all the
2:17:29horrors you've been [ __ ] and now
2:17:30they're going to tell the tale and
2:17:32you're going to prison, little boy."
2:17:34Same with Cosby. Cosby was like trying
2:17:36to own NBC. Same with uh and again, I
2:17:39don't know. Oh, I know. There's Kobe
2:17:41Bryant was like in a lawsuit with this
2:17:44major pharmaceutical thing about a major
2:17:47brand.
2:17:48It's like, and dude, again, Puff Daddy,
2:17:51total scumbag, wanted to own the brand.
2:17:55The thing is like they don't want you to
2:17:56own it unless you build it. And I
2:17:57understand that. It's like, like one
2:17:59thing that kept me through some hard
2:18:00times is I only control what I build.
2:18:02I'm like, I didn't build YouTube. And
2:18:03that's what lowered my resentment. I'm
2:18:05like, it's your thing. I didn't build
2:18:06it. I don't have any right to that. And
2:18:09even like the twisted world, they can be
2:18:11like, "You didn't build SRA. Do you know
2:18:13how many wars we had to do for this?"
2:18:14>> Right. You didn't build Warner Brothers.
2:18:16We have [ __ ] a [clears throat] desert
2:18:18filled with bodies, dude. You get out of
2:18:19here.
2:18:21You know, it gave me comfort.
2:18:24>> I guess is there any pattern you've
2:18:25noticed that you haven't heard other
2:18:26people talk about?
2:18:27>> I've actually been inspired lately,
2:18:29which feels great. Like I was just
2:18:31telling Jake about that. Like listen to
2:18:32you and Tucker, like all kinds of
2:18:34people, which I didn't have for a little
2:18:36while because I was so far ahead and
2:18:38people I thought were being such
2:18:40cowardly retards. People were saying
2:18:42[ __ ] that I haven't even thought of now.
2:18:44Like people say stuff and I'm like,
2:18:45"Whoa, that's great, man." Like I'm not
2:18:48I'm not the tip of the spear like I once
2:18:50was except for personal accountability
2:18:53and I've done it. makes me kind of
2:18:56interesting where I did buy my own piece
2:18:58of land to do my own comedy special with
2:19:01people throwing in 400 bucks. Like
2:19:04that's wild. That gets around the usery
2:19:05system and freaks people out. I did
2:19:07build my own, you know, social media and
2:19:10cultivated an authentic audience where I
2:19:13have like real relationships with these
2:19:14people. Like I did start a farm, but
2:19:16like I didn't invent any of this [ __ ]
2:19:19>> right? Like I didn't invent farming or
2:19:21having a big family or that's why I
2:19:23liked uh some of the Tucker u insights
2:19:26because he's got that old Wasp New
2:19:28England knowledge [ __ ] that I'm like
2:19:29into too where he's like men don't
2:19:31complain. I'm like oh man I complain a
2:19:34lot right that was getting me pumped
2:19:37even though he was like you don't have
2:19:39to take off your shoes. I'm like you got
2:19:40to [ __ ] take off your shoes. But that
2:19:42was still a good point when he was like
2:19:44no you're welcome in my house. I'm like
2:19:46dude the jab How funny is this? The
2:19:49Japs, they're not even called J
2:19:50Japanese. They're called Nepa. These are
2:19:52the spells. They're like, "Oh, how dare
2:19:54you say Jap?" I'm like, "It's an
2:19:56abbreviation of a word you invented that
2:19:58they don't call themselves."
2:20:00Like, how is that offensive?
2:20:02>> It's like Indian.
2:20:03>> All right. What do you like to call
2:20:05them?
2:20:06>> Indian.
2:20:07>> People of the B.
2:20:08>> American Indian.
2:20:09>> Yeah, but you got to differentiate
2:20:10between the two. You got dot Indian and
2:20:13basket Indian. And then there is no real
2:20:16because they're all super tribal. So
2:20:18like and I I was raised playing lacrosse
2:20:20with all these guys. They're like, "No,
2:20:21I'm Mohawk."
2:20:23>> Like they like they're super tribal.
2:20:25>> That makes sense.
2:20:26>> Yeah. It's like Germany used to be that
2:20:28way. It's like, "No, we're Bavarian.
2:20:29We're Prussian." Like what the [ __ ] is
2:20:30Germany? They're always rebranding
2:20:32homogenizing zones.
2:20:35That's why the the you go all the way
2:20:36down to the individual, then the kin,
2:20:39that's where kind comes from. The word
2:20:40kind is what how you are to your kin.
2:20:42like those that you know and it's like
2:20:45you really are uh you feel better around
2:20:48your own culture and your own kind
2:20:49because you know you know the signs that
2:20:52you've offended someone you know the
2:20:54bonding mechanisms it's just like easier
2:20:57and that's where kindness comes from in
2:20:58another culture that's just as valid
2:21:01like you just don't know you're like
2:21:02dude I didn't take off my shoes is this
2:21:04sushi guy going to [ __ ] me up now you
2:21:06know what I mean like they I used to
2:21:08work at a Japanese restaurant they
2:21:09thought I was funny but they thought I
2:21:10was just a total animal like Godzilla or
2:21:12some [ __ ] They'd be like, "You are so
2:21:14tall." [laughter] They're like, "You're
2:21:16so big."
2:21:18They tip a dollar. I'm like, "To us
2:21:20that's super offensive." They're like,
2:21:21"Oh, I give you dollar." Very good. I'm
2:21:23like, it was a $500 bill, bro. I'm like,
2:21:26"Dude, you're you're all about the
2:21:28bonsai tree and [ __ ] Do I just tell you
2:21:30how [ __ ] up that was?" You know, but
2:21:31they're good people. When they get
2:21:33hammered, one of them wanted to like
2:21:35climb on me like, [laughter] "No, they
2:21:37like the little guys. They they think
2:21:38giants are like play things." But I I
2:21:40respect Japanese culture a lot. It's
2:21:42very clean.
2:21:44>> I have two for you that are interesting.
2:21:46One thing I noticed that
2:21:49it wasn't talked about a lot on your
2:21:51Tucker podcast was you kept saying the
2:21:53words neocon over and over again. Was
2:21:55there something?
2:21:56>> It's a Yeah, neoconserv. It's just all
2:21:59nonsense. Like what are you conserving?
2:22:00It's like so Trosky comes to America.
2:22:03They split off from the Bolsheviks.
2:22:04starts that whole movement which is
2:22:08pretty much just an Israeli bullshik
2:22:10move which is fine but it's like it's
2:22:11funny when you know liberals don't let
2:22:13you do [ __ ] and conservatives don't
2:22:15conserve [ __ ] and then neo anytime
2:22:17there's a modifier you're just getting
2:22:18into more and more nonsense
2:22:21>> you know and so neocon is just like that
2:22:24group of people that at any cost just
2:22:27want wars
2:22:29and that's pretty much it
2:22:30>> what
2:22:32>> I mean
2:22:34If I wanted to take accountability, I'd
2:22:36say a lot of our economy is based on
2:22:38Loheed Martin and [ __ ] and to sell
2:22:39weapons, you need to have wars and
2:22:41they're and they're terrified if people
2:22:43don't have retirement that they're going
2:22:44to rebel and I don't know, but or just
2:22:48they're nuts.
2:22:49>> Do you feel some type of guilt saying
2:22:51things that some people might take as
2:22:53external problems instead of be be able
2:22:55to take accountability in their life?
2:22:57Like it you seem hesitant to want to say
2:23:00anything that would spark fear in
2:23:02someone or like make them
2:23:04>> like an external fear.
2:23:05>> Yeah. Or make them feel like they don't
2:23:07have like control over something.
2:23:08>> But I I truly believe that.
2:23:10>> Yeah.
2:23:10>> I truly believe that. It's not I'm not
2:23:12just trying to pump people up. It's
2:23:14crazy when you kind of see it where
2:23:16you're like you're like, "Oh, it's all a
2:23:19choice." And I'm not I'm not like
2:23:21narcissistic in the sense that I'm
2:23:23responsible for all the greatness in the
2:23:25world. It's just like you always have a
2:23:26choice. Like I know some people that
2:23:28have had some real [ __ ] like wild rides.
2:23:31The only way out is accountability.
2:23:33>> Like if you're like, you know, vet PTSD,
2:23:37addicted to opioid, you know, you have
2:23:39all this [ __ ] you were beaten as like
2:23:41all these things, sex abuse, all this,
2:23:43the one thing that gets you out is just
2:23:45to forgive and take accountability or
2:23:47else you don't get out. So like I know
2:23:50it helps, but I know it hurts because it
2:23:53does. You have all these memories of
2:23:54people that did [ __ ] to you and like
2:23:57threats and all these but we we we
2:24:00imagine so much like we never see it,
2:24:02you know? So much [ __ ] is imagined in
2:24:04our heads like cuz I've had some
2:24:06horrific [ __ ] happen and it doesn't even
2:24:07scare you when it happens as much as you
2:24:09think. It's thinking about it. They
2:24:11learned that in in war uh social
2:24:13engineering if you actually bomb a
2:24:15people, they almost lose the sense of
2:24:17fear with death because they see it.
2:24:19They they're like, "Oh." And they and
2:24:21they feel it it like frees them in a
2:24:24way. They like like uh rumors of war.
2:24:26It's in the Bible. They want it over the
2:24:28hill. They want you to imagine it in
2:24:29your head, right? That's why they never
2:24:31gave us a mask. They're like, "You buy
2:24:33it. You make it yours." Like, "Make it
2:24:34your mask." Like no one ever [ __ ]
2:24:36sent us a mask, right? Cuz it's like it
2:24:39you connect with it cuz you're imagining
2:24:41it. When you actually [ __ ] go with
2:24:44someone, the risk is you free them
2:24:46because they're like, "Oh, I see that
2:24:48you don't have any." You ever see that
2:24:49movie uh Revolver?
2:24:50>> Mm-m. [clears throat]
2:24:51>> Oh, bro, you got to see Revolver. It'll
2:24:54blow your mind. And it's uh Jason
2:24:56Stathithm and [ __ ] And it's like one of
2:24:57the most profound movies ever. There's
2:25:00this I I can't even do it justice, but
2:25:02there's scenes that are just about this
2:25:04when he realizes that the monster has no
2:25:07control. And it's like mindblowing.
2:25:10They don't have because they it's like
2:25:12fear me and it's Ray Leotaa and by the
2:25:14end and he's like supposedly this
2:25:16powerful guy. He's like fear. He's like,
2:25:18"Fear me." He starts like breaking down.
2:25:20He's like, "Fear me. Fear." And like not
2:25:24fearing them and forgiving and not even
2:25:26being angry, it like they have to face
2:25:28themselves and then it all like goes
2:25:29away. It's [ __ ] nuts. It's very like
2:25:32electromagnetic. It's like without the
2:25:33polarity, what does it do,
2:25:35>> right? Fear is the thing that gives the
2:25:36thing power.
2:25:37>> Yeah. I like Dune. Fear is the mind
2:25:39killer. It's so true.
2:25:40>> What do you think of David Ike?
2:25:42>> Weird jacket. I' I'd like to [laughter]
2:25:45I'd like I'd honestly like to ask you
2:25:46about soccer at this point. Like I don't
2:25:48even give a [ __ ] about the like because
2:25:50I just started liking soccer because my
2:25:52kids play soccer so I started watching
2:25:53the World Cup and now I respect it
2:25:56>> and so I just want to ask him [ __ ] about
2:25:57soccer cuz he's like a professional
2:26:00soccer player like his reptilian I like
2:26:03he gets pissed at, you know, calling out
2:26:05the shills. I I went through that and
2:26:06everything but like what does it really
2:26:08do where it's like sells books,
2:26:10>> right? And it's like southern reptiles.
2:26:13What does that mean? Like they need a
2:26:15heat lamp or like how? And I'm not
2:26:17trying to knock the dude. I'm like, but
2:26:18what do I do with that? Like what does
2:26:20that mean? Like nuclear bombs not uh
2:26:23being real. What do I do with that? I
2:26:25don't have to fear the future. I don't
2:26:26have to scare the [ __ ] out of my kids. I
2:26:28can have children. I can plan long term.
2:26:30I don't have to like put all this focus
2:26:32and energy into this little group of
2:26:34people I've never met with a button in a
2:26:36desert. There's objectively good [ __ ]
2:26:38that happens, but like they're actually
2:26:40lizards. May legitimately maybe. But
2:26:43like, okay, so can you like do something
2:26:46to their tongue or something? Like what
2:26:47does that how does that do for me? You
2:26:49know, like I used to I like I briefly
2:26:51thought I was a Nephilim cuz I I had
2:26:53like nine wisdom teeth and I'm [ __ ]
2:26:55huge and I'm like no, there's no way.
2:26:57But imagine like realizing you're a
2:26:59wizard person, but you're like a pretty
2:27:00chill dude. Like I had a ton of teeth.
2:27:03I'm [ __ ] huge.
2:27:05And I do kind of like bass six.
2:27:08>> What's bass six?
2:27:10>> You know, they say the six finger, they
2:27:11all have six fingers, but I to me I
2:27:13think that's how they count,
2:27:14>> right?
2:27:15>> Yeah. You know, cuz a base 12, it's just
2:27:18so much more elegant with the fractions
2:27:20and stuff. And I'm like, ah, [ __ ] I
2:27:23don't think I'm an eff. That's my
2:27:25n-word.
2:27:27I'm a fallen angel cuz I'm tall. Like,
2:27:29people say that [ __ ] to me all the time.
2:27:31Dehumanizing. After you were
2:27:34deplatformed briefly, someone filed
2:27:36anonymous reports and CPS, child
2:27:39protective services showed up at your
2:27:41door.
2:27:41>> Yeah.
2:27:42>> You said you got on your knees and
2:27:43prayed to God.
2:27:44>> Yeah. Yeah. I was like, you know,
2:27:45occasionally in your life, you have
2:27:46those like real prayers. You have like
2:27:48the dinner prayers and then you have
2:27:49those ones that are [ __ ] like real.
2:27:51That was a real one.
2:27:53>> I had that on the flight here.
2:27:55>> You did? [laughter] What was it about
2:27:56the flight?
2:27:57>> Yeah. I was like, I haven't prayed in a
2:27:58while, but like I'm praying right now.
2:27:59Bro, and don't get me wrong, I haven't
2:28:01like beat fear. I'm [ __ ] super scared
2:28:03of flying. I hate flying,
2:28:05>> but I like But again, like I haven't
2:28:08beaten I don't want people to walk away
2:28:09thinking I've like
2:28:10>> beaten fear. I I always face it. But
2:28:12>> but you live your life in a way that you
2:28:14try to build frameworks around.
2:28:15>> Yeah. And I just I acknowledge it. I
2:28:17just look at it and I go, "Oh, that's a
2:28:20fear." Like, is it statistically
2:28:22reasonable that more people died from
2:28:24[ __ ] toaster ovens? Why is it that
2:28:26I'm afraid? Is it because I watch so
2:28:27many movies? It's, you know, it's like
2:28:31>> I was thinking about that recently. I
2:28:32was like, why am I afraid of sharks? I'm
2:28:33like, it's literally just because of
2:28:34jaws.
2:28:35>> Me, too. I was afraid in a YMCA swimming
2:28:37pool as a kid of sharks. I was afraid of
2:28:39AIDS at nine.
2:28:42>> No, I I like know this because I know
2:28:44fear. I like It's like Bane. I'm like I
2:28:46know the scam,
2:28:48>> right?
2:28:49>> It's the ultimate scam. It's the only
2:28:51scam.
2:28:51>> It's the only scam, Dude. That's I pay
2:28:54all my taxes. That's one thing I never
2:28:56want to [ __ ] with. But like, isn't it
2:28:57funny? People keep saying death and
2:28:59taxes. Death and taxes. It's like those
2:29:01are the only two real things. I'm like,
2:29:04are they [laughter]
2:29:06>> What was the prayer you said?
2:29:09>> I just was like genuinely telling God
2:29:11that I love my children and help me be
2:29:13strong.
2:29:13>> What h what happened that night?
2:29:15>> Not every it was like nothing. It was
2:29:17like my biggest fear and that just went
2:29:19away cuz my wife was such an angel, man.
2:29:21I was like, "But they could say this and
2:29:23they could take our kids and they could
2:29:25do because I I I had these like thoughts
2:29:26and visions in my head." And she was
2:29:28like, "But you're a good father." And
2:29:30I'm like, "I know, Norie, but like they
2:29:33could blow it." And she goes, "But you
2:29:35are a good father." And I'm like, "I
2:29:37know, but they could." And then she was
2:29:38just reiterating, but like the truth is
2:29:41you are a good father. And I was like,
2:29:43you're right. I am a good father. And
2:29:45that's when I was it actually freed me.
2:29:47That's the That's the issue with these
2:29:49uh things that people do. I'm like,
2:29:51"They're God's children. I'm the
2:29:53guardian of them. I will do my best."
2:29:55And I was like, "Oh my god." Cuz I was
2:29:56like, "If they get taken, it's on me and
2:29:59they" And I'm like, "No, my job is to be
2:30:01the best father I can. They're
2:30:03everything is God's." And I was like,
2:30:05"Oh." And I wasn't like not stressed,
2:30:07but I started seeing the system for what
2:30:09it was. And the CBS guy was totally
2:30:11cool. I started being like, "Man, he
2:30:13seems stressed out. He was like a nice
2:30:14guy." And in my mind, they were going to
2:30:16like pull my children out of my house.
2:30:19And and then I'm like, have I ever known
2:30:20anyone that's had the CPS take their
2:30:22kids? And I'm like, I know it happens,
2:30:24but like, is it is it a boogeyman story?
2:30:27You know,
2:30:29this is a weird one. Uh,
2:30:32have you ever thought that someone was
2:30:34monitoring your spiritual state?
2:30:36>> Yes.
2:30:39>> Yeah, I've had that feeling. I just
2:30:41don't have anything else for that, but
2:30:43I've had that feeling. Yeah, dude. I
2:30:45have a buddy though. I've never gotten
2:30:46into hallucin. done a few I've like had
2:30:49small amounts of mushrooms and I had a
2:30:50lot when I was in high school it was
2:30:52pretty interesting but I had a buddy
2:30:53that did the whole gauntlet India IAS
2:30:56all that and he said something so
2:30:57interesting
2:30:59I was like do you still do that [ __ ] he
2:31:00goes oh no no I'm like why he goes he's
2:31:03like it's all CIA [ __ ] I'm like what he
2:31:05goes yeah you do I started I started
2:31:08looking around he's like this is a
2:31:10construct this is all CIA [ __ ]
2:31:11[laughter] I'm like how he's like I
2:31:14think they program frequencies
2:31:18And I can't conceive of that cuz I don't
2:31:19have very many psychedelic experiences
2:31:21under my belt. But that kind of blew my
2:31:24mind where there could definitely be
2:31:28consciousness frequencies where someone
2:31:30can tweak it with frequencies,
2:31:33you know,
2:31:34>> right? Like if you can build a
2:31:35simulation, what's the portal for
2:31:37getting into it, you know?
2:31:38>> Right. And I think a lot of it's
2:31:39frequency. like as a piano teacher like
2:31:41right now I'm getting really into like
2:31:44like fre the connection between
2:31:45frequency and light and and geometry
2:31:48>> and I really do think Tesla when he said
2:31:50everything's like frequency it's like I
2:31:53think there's so much truth to that like
2:31:55matter is all empty space like what does
2:31:56that mean you know it's like a it's like
2:31:58a it's like a music it's like a note
2:32:00>> that's one I've never been able to wrap
2:32:02my head around I feel like a little too
2:32:04autistic for the whole frequency thing
2:32:05but could could you explain it yeah
2:32:08>> okay So when people say like the Schuman
2:32:11resonance of the earth like cuz
2:32:12everything has a natural resonant
2:32:14frequency like I'll show you. So that
2:32:17doesn't sound like a note but uh like
2:32:21that's a note. Anything with cavitation
2:32:23of any empty space has a resonant
2:32:26frequency which means if there's any
2:32:27impact it makes a a a note with a
2:32:30frequency like how many hertz per
2:32:32second. And just like you tune a piano,
2:32:35like when you like hit a certain note
2:32:37and like a glass vibrates, it's because
2:32:39that resonant note is what you're doing,
2:32:41right? And so that's how things can
2:32:43happen at the same time in a strange
2:32:44way. Like you hit a tuning fork, another
2:32:46one starts vibrating, right? And so this
2:32:50is when things get nuts and I can't
2:32:51fully put this together, but this will
2:32:53help your your concept. So Schuman
2:32:55resonance of the earth is like 7.3 herz.
2:32:58So that means the earth itself when
2:32:59lightning strikes it makes a sound
2:33:01that's just below our hearing ability.
2:33:03Like the lowest note on a piano is like
2:33:0520 hertz. It's like seven. It's like
2:33:07close. And then there's harmonics.
2:33:09>> So the earth has a frequency and then
2:33:12you look at the harmonics to it. All
2:33:13right. Then you look at the frequency of
2:33:16light. And this is why the photon [ __ ]
2:33:18with me. Why I'm like I I get so pissed
2:33:19off about Einstein. But like like red is
2:33:2244 octaves above, right? So, just think
2:33:26about that and just let your mind kind
2:33:28of hang with that. And I can't I can't
2:33:31like really hammer that down, but like
2:33:33the frequency of the color of red is
2:33:36just so high that you can't hear it, but
2:33:39you can conceive of it. Like every
2:33:41octave doubles the frequency. So, let's
2:33:43say this C is 20, the next one's 40, 80,
2:33:46160, 320. It's all like exponential
2:33:48every octave.
2:33:50And so you can octave up higher and
2:33:52higher and higher until you get into a
2:33:54frequency of color spectrum. You know,
2:33:56you have radio waves, infrared waves,
2:33:59you know, then you have visible light
2:34:00spectrum, all that. And then you get
2:34:03into shape where like a certain
2:34:05frequency with different overtones has
2:34:07that amount of sides of a shape and it
2:34:09like dances a bit and it looks like a
2:34:11star. And that's where I'm at right now.
2:34:14And I'm like, the Bible says that that
2:34:16you know that Lucifer was like the
2:34:18conductor of the choir of the angel. And
2:34:20you start looking at the the stars and
2:34:21you're like, it it looks like almost
2:34:23like a song. And then people accuse me
2:34:24of autism.
2:34:26>> But I get it. It's like cuz they haven't
2:34:28explained matter to me properly.
2:34:30>> They also don't show what stars actually
2:34:32look like. Like they look like this,
2:34:34right? Like they're kind of in and out.
2:34:36>> Dude, they they dance and they're
2:34:37geometric. Cathedrals all look kind of
2:34:40like star shapes, but like stars like
2:34:42move. They look like light in water
2:34:46and they look like simatics. When you
2:34:48put sound on like a a plate with sand,
2:34:51it'll start making shapes. And those
2:34:53shapes are the exact shapes of these
2:34:55cathedrals that like are using sound.
2:34:58This is when [ __ ] gets nuts. Okay. So,
2:35:00there didn't used to be clocks the way
2:35:02we think. Every single city or town had
2:35:05a direct noon. And like every foot has a
2:35:08different noon. Like 30 miles away is a
2:35:10different noon. And so they would tune
2:35:12the bells to that exact noon and then
2:35:16all the bells of the day. You wake up,
2:35:17you go to work, this bell it, it wasn't
2:35:19even about the hour. It was about the
2:35:21sound.
2:35:22>> And the cathedrals would try to match
2:35:25the geometry of the sound of the bell.
2:35:28And think about the harmonics of a
2:35:29civilization. It's like the morality,
2:35:32the geometry, the sound, and the culture
2:35:36is all in harmony, right? And that's
2:35:39like and then we register that as
2:35:40beautiful because beautiful sound is
2:35:42harmonic. Dissonant is ugly, right? Like
2:35:45Obama's library is you just are like
2:35:47that's ugly. Like modern architecture is
2:35:49ugly. Why? Cuz it's dissonant. Like in
2:35:51music, a third, a fifth, an octave. It
2:35:54feels good. Canon and D, Amazing Grace.
2:35:56And then you have these like intense
2:35:58jazz sounds cuz the waves are hitting
2:36:00each other in a way where they're like
2:36:02[ __ ] up. It's like a shape that
2:36:04doesn't work properly. It's not a
2:36:05honeycomb, you know? And so light,
2:36:08matter, and sound are all completely
2:36:10related.
2:36:11>> When you think about frequencies and
2:36:12light and sound, like what do you make
2:36:15of dreams? Do blind people dream?
2:36:17>> Great. Oh my god, dude. I don't That's
2:36:20the thing. Lately, I don't know what
2:36:21dreams are, man. Cuz every morning I ask
2:36:23my kids, what? Like, we always talk
2:36:25about our dreams and some of my kids
2:36:26have these elaborate dreams and sometime
2:36:29I don't dream. Sometimes I dream and
2:36:30they're like fragmented. I'm like, where
2:36:33do we go, man? You know, it's like I
2:36:34have some of the most profound combos
2:36:36with my kids.
2:36:37>> Like they'll dream about stuff that they
2:36:39haven't seen,
2:36:41you know, and I'm like, what is it? I
2:36:43don't have the answer, but it's super We
2:36:45don't know why we sleep,
2:36:49>> right?
2:36:49>> But we like definitely have to or we go
2:36:51totally nuts. Like where do we go, you
2:36:53know?
2:36:54>> Yeah. That dream thing has always
2:36:56interested me because it's like how are
2:36:58we producing like as you see in your
2:37:00dreams, it's like how are we producing
2:37:01light,
2:37:02>> right? Does that make sense? the whole
2:37:03blind because then how's the blind
2:37:05person communicate to us?
2:37:06>> Where did those frequencies come from?
2:37:07>> Right. Exactly.
2:37:09>> But like how could a blind person be
2:37:10like they had a red dress. Like what if
2:37:12they see light in the dream but don't
2:37:14know how to communicate it cuz they
2:37:15don't see in this
2:37:17>> like then the [clears throat]
2:37:18communication thing is like how could
2:37:19you describe what you saw in your dream?
2:37:24>> But this is why I say there's no bad
2:37:26word. You see where I'm at with the bad
2:37:28like you can't say jab. Like to me
2:37:30that's like a B flat oct. You know, it's
2:37:32like an octagon. Like it's like how it
2:37:35No, it's a it's a song, you know. And
2:37:37then a lot of spells are about the
2:37:38nature of the flow of this. That's like
2:37:40like limicks and rhymes and rap and
2:37:42poetry and trance music and all this.
2:37:45Dude, it's it's like it puts you in a
2:37:47harmonic state. And one way that they do
2:37:50it is this a beautiful song with real
2:37:52[ __ ] up lyrics cuz you emotionally are
2:37:54like, "This is good. It feels like a a
2:37:57cathedral symmetry." And the words are
2:38:00like horrifying. But then that gets past
2:38:02a gate and then you start internalizing
2:38:05that and you think the world's
2:38:06nihilistic and hellish, you know,
2:38:09like Hallelujah by uh like the the the
2:38:13music is unbelievable and the words have
2:38:14a lot of despair and I always because I
2:38:17love that song but like the lyrics are
2:38:19all about despair and hopelessness
2:38:22>> like the the one written by the Grabler
2:38:24there, the Cohen one, not like the other
2:38:25one. It's a, you know, it's like it's a
2:38:27cold and it's a broken hallelujah. But
2:38:30you're like, this is beautiful, but the
2:38:33things he's saying is really strange.
2:38:35>> I feel like a lot of the best songs are
2:38:37like that, which is interesting.
2:38:38>> Yeah, cuz the music is what makes them
2:38:39the best song. And then the words and
2:38:42they're and but and he will say true
2:38:44things in them,
2:38:46so you resonate with it, but there's
2:38:48just this underlying sense of like
2:38:50ingratitude and hopelessness, like
2:38:51they're not grateful,
2:38:52>> right? It's like the emotion being
2:38:54expressed, too. Yeah. Yeah. Like they're
2:38:56like God needs to be corrected.
2:38:59>> That's the nature of cultures that I
2:39:01think feel a lot of despair is like God
2:39:03is wrong. I must fix it versus like I'm
2:39:06just happy to be here. I'm learning as I
2:39:08go. You know,
2:39:10>> do you think a lot about the
2:39:12subconscious? I know that's a word that
2:39:13really isn't even defined, but
2:39:15>> totally. I don't have a natural internal
2:39:18monologue. People are like, "But I can
2:39:21do it." like I can do it but I don't
2:39:23naturally some people have a constant
2:39:26thing going where they're like said the
2:39:28guy with you know whatever I'm usually
2:39:30not like I don't have anything going but
2:39:33then I can picture things and hear
2:39:35whatever I want but it's like not just
2:39:37going you know
2:39:39>> if I say red apple what do you think of
2:39:41>> red apple
2:39:42>> but what does that mean
2:39:43>> I can for me it was a red delicious for
2:39:46some reason and I just saw like a flash
2:39:48of a red apple
2:39:48>> was it one that you've eaten or like
2:39:50iconography
2:39:51iconography.
2:39:52>> Yeah,
2:39:53>> I have an orchard and it wasn't even
2:39:55that.
2:39:57>> That's an interesting one. That's a test
2:39:58I do want people to tell if they're
2:39:59autistic.
2:40:01>> Apparently, if you picture one that
2:40:03you've seen before, it's larger sign
2:40:05that you're autistic.
2:40:06>> Really?
2:40:06>> Probably some [ __ ] but um
2:40:08>> No, it's cool. I don't even know if
2:40:09autism is is like it's almost like a
2:40:11pjorative for people that are just like
2:40:13into details.
2:40:15>> Yeah. Like sometimes people I like kind
2:40:17of jokingly will say we're autistic
2:40:18because we're just like trying to figure
2:40:20out what words mean and we just like
2:40:21want the details. It's like a funny word
2:40:24autistic,
2:40:25>> right?
2:40:26>> Like what does that mean on the
2:40:27spectrum? Like isn't everyone by
2:40:30definition on a spectrum? [laughter] And
2:40:32then they're like see that's autism. I'm
2:40:33like how though? That's just a fact.
2:40:36>> That's just testosterone.
2:40:38>> Yeah. Yeah. It's like everybody's on a
2:40:40spectrum. That's the definition of a
2:40:41spectrum.
2:40:44I think this is why they hate Down
2:40:45syndrome people because I think they're
2:40:46angelic.
2:40:48>> I thought about that.
2:40:49>> Yeah, because it's like why would you
2:40:50abort a down syndrome? Because they're
2:40:53like, "Oh yeah, we had to abort." Or,
2:40:55you know, we had to put him on the short
2:40:56bus. I'm like, "Dude, listen to that
2:40:57guy. He's always [ __ ] crushing." Down
2:41:01syndrome people. It's like they can't
2:41:03really sell them on [ __ ] They're like,
2:41:05"But I got a spoon." You know? They're
2:41:07like, they have that nature of a child
2:41:09in a way that I find very inspiring.
2:41:11[clears throat]
2:41:12That is interesting. They seem to be the
2:41:14happiest people.
2:41:15>> Dude, they they crush it.
2:41:17[laughter]
2:41:18>> They're like, I don't trust that guy. A
2:41:20belt. You know, I I like I like vibe
2:41:23with that because it's like I used to do
2:41:24bits about that about how hard it is to
2:41:26get people happy. And then certain
2:41:28people that are mocked by society. Why
2:41:30are they mocked by society? Because they
2:41:31don't need anything from them.
2:41:33>> That's an interesting one to about what
2:41:34you said about the internal monologue.
2:41:36Something I've noticed myself doing
2:41:37recently is trying to like not think.
2:41:41And if maybe someone said this about
2:41:42[ __ ] maxing on the internet, but I
2:41:45think that if you don't think, it's just
2:41:48a sign that you're not anxious about
2:41:49anything. There's like nothing to solve.
2:41:50You are just present.
2:41:52>> Yes. Yes. I try to [ __ ] mags a lot. I
2:41:55try to stay present cuz people will be
2:41:57like, "Oh, that means you're not
2:41:58analytical." I'm like, "No, I can. I
2:42:00just try not to because that takes me
2:42:01out of the moment."
2:42:02>> Right. It's like you're trying to
2:42:03disagree with something, you know,
2:42:05because you have to.
2:42:05>> Yeah. And I'm thinking about something
2:42:07else
2:42:09that is definitely in a degraded form
2:42:11than whatever is definitely in front of
2:42:13me cuz I had a very intellectual father.
2:42:15So I I know what it's like to be around
2:42:17someone who's in the ivory tower in
2:42:19their mind all the time. And it's like,
2:42:21dude, you didn't fish with your kids,
2:42:22man. Like that's like the best thing
2:42:24ever, you know? And so that's one thing
2:42:26that that that I try to watch out for is
2:42:29that the prison of the the intellect,
2:42:32you know?
2:42:33What's the one thing you want to teach
2:42:35your kids before they grow up?
2:42:37>> Dude, that's a such an intense question.
2:42:40Um,
2:42:44what do I want to teach the kids before
2:42:46they grow up?
2:42:48I mean, that they're enough is always
2:42:50the go-to.
2:42:52Um,
2:42:55dude, I hate to say it, I don't know,
2:42:58which is kind of a weird thing to admit
2:43:00as a father cuz you always want to know,
2:43:01but like
2:43:04I don't know right now. Like every day
2:43:06there's something I want to teach them
2:43:08and guide them and all that stuff, but
2:43:09like the overall
2:43:12I can't narrow it. I guess if they were
2:43:14sitting here 20 years from now, I'm
2:43:17still doing this. Uh, yeah. And I said,
2:43:19"What's one thing Owen taught you?" What
2:43:20do you think they'd say?
2:43:23All right, dude. I want to talk about a
2:43:24dream. I once had a dream that I always
2:43:26remembered and it makes no sense, but I
2:43:28find it very deep and and powerful and
2:43:30emotional. It was the and I don't know
2:43:33why, but it was the start of a book
2:43:35written by one of my sons in the future.
2:43:38And the only line I remember is my
2:43:40father was born a slave.
2:43:43>> And I was like, I just kept like
2:43:45thinking about that. I'm like, what does
2:43:46that imply,
2:43:48right? like that he he was no longer a
2:43:50slave, right? And I just kept thinking
2:43:53about that. It's like maybe right now it
2:43:55would be
2:43:58that like for since they're kids it
2:44:00would be in a nice way but I teach them
2:44:02about like the field of dreams like you
2:44:04really can do what you are here you know
2:44:07which is a way of taking full
2:44:08accountability you know where it's like
2:44:12this place has so many potentialities
2:44:15and like who you can love and what you
2:44:18can see in the future and like I want
2:44:19them to be okay with having things like
2:44:22unfolding in front front of them, you
2:44:24know, and I think the field of dreams
2:44:25metaphor is cool versus like it's all on
2:44:28you. I don't want to put that on them
2:44:29right now, you know, where it's like,
2:44:32you know, cuz they don't naturally
2:44:33externalize [ __ ] anyway. And I like I
2:44:35don't tell them that there's a fake
2:44:37moonland or any of that [ __ ] I I just
2:44:39say, "What do you think it is?" I don't
2:44:40want to indoctrinate them in the other
2:44:41direction because I don't really know.
2:44:43And I don't want them to be like
2:44:45paranoid that the world's lying to them.
2:44:46I just want them to look at a commercial
2:44:48like, "What is it trying to sell me?
2:44:50Like, what do I think the moon is? What
2:44:52can I What can I What do I feel? What
2:44:54does it look like to me now? I like to
2:44:56say I'm a two-hill earther. I see two
2:44:58hills, right? It's like right now, what
2:45:02do you see? It's like there's two hills.
2:45:04And that seems to be my way of doing it
2:45:06with the kids because I definitely don't
2:45:07want to be like, "Yeah, and then they
2:45:09[ __ ] shot Kennedy because of silver
2:45:11and the [ __ ] you know, because that
2:45:12would just make a like they're so pumped
2:45:14about life. Like they like cops and [ __ ]
2:45:17because why why wouldn't you?" It's
2:45:18like, oh yeah, they try to keep order in
2:45:20society, you know,
2:45:21>> because victim consciousness
2:45:23perpetuates. I had friends I had like
2:45:25black black friends in LA. I'm like,
2:45:26dude, what are you doing? They're like,
2:45:28when you grow up, if you get pulled
2:45:30over, they're going to kill one of you.
2:45:32I'm like, statistically, no [ __ ]
2:45:35chance. And now they're going to act
2:45:37weird when they get pulled over.
2:45:39>> And then it's going to start the whole
2:45:41cycle where it's like, and then the cops
2:45:43going to be like, why are you acting
2:45:44[ __ ] weird? you got like something
2:45:46versus like a lot of like quote unquote
2:45:47whites are like, "Oh, hey officer. I was
2:45:49actually trying to find the exit." And
2:45:51they're like, "Oh, no problem." Cuz I'm
2:45:52not afraid of them. So when you instill
2:45:54fear, like statistically the odds are
2:45:57zero that they will just be randomly
2:45:58killed by a cop, right? And so I try to
2:46:00do that for my kids, too, cuz I could
2:46:02[ __ ] lay all that [ __ ] on them and
2:46:04I'm just like, "No, it just it's crush
2:46:07toilmax."
2:46:09How about this? Be like, "It doesn't
2:46:11matter what your nose looks like. You
2:46:13don't have to chop off your nose. Just
2:46:15don't lie.
2:46:17Like the fact got a nose job is wild to
2:46:20me. It's like [laughter] he's the only
2:46:22guy I know. It's It's like only Jewish
2:46:25women get nose job. I've never known a
2:46:26guy to ever get a nose job.
2:46:29Like it's like, "Oh, I want a smaller
2:46:30nose." It's like who gives a [ __ ] You
2:46:33breathe more oxygen. You just don't want
2:46:35it looking like Pinocchio.
2:46:37>> Yeah, it's it's a weird one. I I know
2:46:40Braden. And
2:46:41>> is he cool?
2:46:42>> Yeah, he's a cool guy.
2:46:43>> Is he on that level of just like a
2:46:46genius? Yeah.
2:46:46>> Yeah, he's kind of a genius.
2:46:48>> Yeah, he's he's definitely a genius.
2:46:49He's the kind of guy that if you ask his
2:46:51IQ, he won't tell you. Do you know what
2:46:53I mean?
2:46:54>> Yeah.
2:46:55But that also like you [laughter] can be
2:46:57a truth seeker and tell it cuz like
2:46:59hiding it is strategically better.
2:47:02>> Like I was telling that to someone. I'm
2:47:03like I if I was trying to [ __ ] use
2:47:05it, I'd say it was like 90. And it's fun
2:47:07being in Arkansas, you know, cuz then
2:47:09you have an advantage. Of course I know
2:47:10the unfrozen caveman warrior. I'm just a
2:47:13caveman. You ever said an SNL? I fell on
2:47:15ice. Your world scares me. But what I do
2:47:18know is my client deserves $4.7
2:47:20trillion, you know? Of course. But I
2:47:22don't care, you know? Like I'm not
2:47:24trying to accumulate resources. I want
2:47:26to [ __ ] know what it is.
2:47:28>> So, but if you're trying to be
2:47:30strategic, of course. Like, yeah, dude.
2:47:31I don't resonate bad with that dude. I'm
2:47:34like, that was funny. I'm like, is he
2:47:38[ __ ] a psychopath? I don't know.
2:47:41>> Kind of genius. That's weird. That's
2:47:43funny.
2:47:44I don't have any negative feeling
2:47:45though. I don't feel like he's a sadist
2:47:47or like a He seems like just like super
2:47:50autistic, the product of the algorithm
2:47:53world, and he's like winning at it.
2:47:55>> Oh, last question here. Uh,
2:47:58what's the best piece of advice you've
2:48:00ever received?
2:48:02>> Vince Vaughn, make it count because it's
2:48:05like like our upbringing, right?
2:48:06nihilism, get sex, like get money. No
2:48:09one ever told me to be a [ __ ] dad,
2:48:11even my own dad. And so I'm touring with
2:48:13Vaughn in Hollywood. He's the only guy
2:48:16that was like mocking me for not having
2:48:18kids. And it like every Father's Day I
2:48:21thank him. He's like, "Baby, you got to
2:48:23start making it count. You can't don't
2:48:24keep pulling out like a coward. you got
2:48:26to [ __ ] make, you know, and I was
2:48:27dating Amy, my now wife, and I'm like,
2:48:30"Yeah, why don't I do like why am I
2:48:32constantly pulling out?" And, you know,
2:48:35and like that was the best advice I've
2:48:38ever gotten was just like, "Be fertile.
2:48:41>> Don't pull out.
2:48:43>> Don't pull out." Metaphorically all over
2:48:45the world. Yeah. It's like don't pull
2:48:46out, right?
2:48:47>> Don't pull out.
2:48:48>> Be fertile and multiply. That's
2:48:50interesting.
2:48:50>> Yeah. I always say, "Be fruitful,
2:48:51multiply. Don't be fruity and blow guy
2:48:52at the end of streams because it's like
2:48:53it's funny.
2:48:55But it's like it was the best advice I
2:48:57ever got. And some people might not want
2:48:59kids and that's totally cool. I just
2:49:00like I just want to pass it on because I
2:49:02like it's weird it never clicked where
2:49:05it's like yeah why like I'm amassing
2:49:08some money and I like some status and
2:49:10all this stuff like why like aren't I
2:49:14supposed to now start building like the
2:49:16family?
2:49:18>> And then I was like man that's cool. And
2:49:20so that was a that was great advice like
2:49:22don't be a like having a family and even
2:49:25though like prices are insane and
2:49:28kids help like it it's not like that
2:49:30like having kids broke it like motivates
2:49:33you
2:49:33>> like dude cuz I can't fail like I easily
2:49:36could be like totally a failure right
2:49:38now having kids I'm like oh no the the
2:49:41boats have been burned I have to succeed
2:49:43and I'm way more successful from that
2:49:45and I want to see the youth just have
2:49:47massive families I want to see all that
2:49:49programming just [ __ ] fail, you know,
2:49:52just have these like big successful f I
2:49:55see so much of that in the youth. A lot
2:49:56a lot of good things about the young
2:49:58culture where a lot of people are
2:49:59choosing these things like like my
2:50:02grandparents live these based lives but
2:50:03they're probably like dreaming of hot
2:50:05tubs and [ __ ] you know? Like young
2:50:07people right now are like it's good like
2:50:09to grow this thing or to do this like
2:50:11they're choosing it. A lot of our based
2:50:14ancestors [ __ ] had to cuz they were
2:50:16broke.
2:50:17So, some of the youth I'm actually
2:50:18inspired by, I'm like, they're just
2:50:20doing it like cuz it's right.
2:50:24>> What's the worst piece of advice you've
2:50:26ever received?
2:50:29The worst piece of advice I've ever
2:50:30received
2:50:33[sighs]
2:50:36because I'd have to believe it because I
2:50:38shrug off like endless [ __ ] But
2:50:41like the word something that I've
2:50:42internalized.
2:50:45Oh man.
2:50:47There's there's big concepts, but I
2:50:49don't remember a single like piece of
2:50:51advice where I like that
2:50:57keep pulling out. I don't know.
2:50:58[laughter] Like like I like the idea
2:51:03I got nothing, man. What What's your
2:51:05What's yours? What's the worst piece of
2:51:06advice you ever got?
2:51:08>> Oh, man. [clears throat]
2:51:12[sighs and gasps] It's a copout answer,
2:51:13but it's like mo most advice. just most
2:51:17everything you hear, I don't think that
2:51:19people can actually
2:51:21receive advice. I think it has to you
2:51:24have to put it together yourself. You
2:51:25know what I mean?
2:51:26>> Yeah. And a lot of people, even if they
2:51:27mean well, they're just basically
2:51:29talking of an image of themsel.
2:51:33>> Like they're just like, you need to be
2:51:34blah blah blah, but like they're not
2:51:36trying to look through your eyes at all.
2:51:38>> You know, where you're like, well,
2:51:39imagine me doing that. Like what would
2:51:40that be like for me? You know, because
2:51:43sometimes people are like, "You can't be
2:51:45so abrasive with people." I'm like,
2:51:46"Well, you know, I am a comedian whose
2:51:48job is to make jokes about people."
2:51:50Like, how do I do that functionally?
2:51:52Like, logistically, how do I not offend
2:51:55some people when the nature of my job is
2:51:58literally to do that? That's why a lot
2:52:00of times, like this podcast, people be
2:52:01like, "Man, you come across really
2:52:03cool." I'm like, "This is me. When you
2:52:05do a joke, you're supposed to get the
2:52:08thing." You know? It's like telling a
2:52:10mechanic. It's like just don't have like
2:52:12grease on your hands. It's like how
2:52:13would I do that?
2:52:15>> I had to ask you about
2:52:18[ __ ] your Wikipedia page. Um, have you
2:52:20read your Wikipedia page?
2:52:21>> Yeah, it changes constantly.
2:52:24I could write a book on on just how it's
2:52:26changed cuz they would post stuff that
2:52:29they thought was because it's all about
2:52:31uh wandering uh slander, right? So it's
2:52:35like according to like nonsense nonsense
2:52:37and then out of context slander people
2:52:39and they kept posting things that would
2:52:41either come true or obviously be funny.
2:52:43So then they would have to post stuff
2:52:46that wasn't funny and now they say I'm
2:52:48like part Jew because the whole world
2:52:50shifted and now that's the thing to
2:52:52discredit me. Isn't that fascinating? My
2:52:55dad's mom's dad we think is a Jew and
2:52:58[snorts] they're like well he's admitted
2:53:00to Czech heritage of Jew because now
2:53:02because they're like robots. They're
2:53:03empty vessels. They're like, if you say
2:53:05he's a Jew, people won't like him as
2:53:07much now because everything's shifted.
2:53:09>> Has that affected your life? Like, how
2:53:10does it affect your life? People read
2:53:13your Wikipedia and it's like Owen
2:53:15Benjamin is a conspiracy theorist,
2:53:16anti-semite racist. It it said something
2:53:19along those lines. Like every single
2:53:21label, you're going to laugh at this.
2:53:23The funniest thing is the only problem
2:53:26I've ever had is sometimes it draws the
2:53:28wrong people where I have to explain
2:53:31like, "No, no, I'm not your guy. Like
2:53:32I'm not the white guy. Like cuz they're
2:53:34like finally brother. I'm like [sighs]
2:53:37>> cuz then they get mad at me. They're
2:53:39like you just made fun of the I'm like I
2:53:41make fun of [ __ ] everybody. I'm a
2:53:42comedian. They're framing me this way.
2:53:45You know it's like yeah I'll admit that
2:53:47like I don't consider conspiracy
2:53:49theorist an insult or like anti-semite I
2:53:50think is nonsense. You point out central
2:53:52banking you're full of like obviously
2:53:54but I'm also not like the super
2:53:56identitarian like we built the
2:53:58cathedrals guy. I'm like, "No, you can
2:54:00help me build stairs." And so that's the
2:54:02only push back I've had. A lot of
2:54:04cancellations. They'd send that to any
2:54:05theater and they'd use that as a
2:54:06laundry, like a way to launder me. But
2:54:09most people find it awesome. They're
2:54:10like, "Dude, based." A lot of people
2:54:12used to be like,
2:54:13>> "Did you write that?" And I'm like, "No,
2:54:16I'm trying to get it [ __ ] deleted."
2:54:17And they're like, "It makes you sound
2:54:19awesome."
2:54:20>> Do you suspect anyone was a time
2:54:22traveler?
2:54:24I have to end the podcast here, but
2:54:26>> I [laughter] I think Okay. I only on in
2:54:29the spirit realm of like like in that
2:54:32realm. I don't think people's bodies go
2:54:34into something in travel time, but I
2:54:36think that people may be able to like
2:54:39like be outside of linear time in a
2:54:42different realm, but I don't understand
2:54:44how it works, but I I'm open to that
2:54:45possibility.
2:54:46>> That could be what OCD is. You're
2:54:47talking to yourself from the future.
2:54:49>> I know.
2:54:50>> Who knows? But Owen, where can uh people
2:54:52find you and where can people buy your
2:54:54book? Well, the good news about being
2:54:56kicked off of anything, everything is I
2:54:57had to build my own [ __ ] So, ladle.tv,
2:54:59it's $911 a month so you never forget.
2:55:03And uh it's everything I've ever made
2:55:04there. Like everything on my own
2:55:06servers, all that [ __ ] which is great
2:55:08because they back me into a corner to be
2:55:10productive. And then uh how to slay a
2:55:13wizard on Amazon. Um it's right now
2:55:15number one in rhetoric, which is the
2:55:17wizard category.
2:55:18>> And then uh owenbjamin.com
2:55:20for everything else. And yeah, just
2:55:23wherever. and just make sure you uh like
2:55:25and share this this page cuz I love all
2:55:27your [ __ ] man. It's really good. I
2:55:29appreciate that, man.
2:55:29>> You're like genuinely interested in
2:55:31people and that's oddly rare in this
2:55:33line of work and so keep crushing.
2:55:36>> I've heard that a little bit. Yeah.
2:55:37>> No, you seem like And Tucker's like
2:55:39that, too. It's like you want to
2:55:40actually know [ __ ]
2:55:41>> That's my favorite thing about him, like
2:55:42watching his interview.
2:55:43>> Magnetic. You're like, I want to know.
2:55:45And then it draws it out of the person
2:55:47versus some people are just always
2:55:48monologuing, you know,
2:55:50>> which is fine, but just do a monologue
2:55:52job, [laughter]
2:55:53>> you know.
2:55:53>> Right. Well, everyone, uh, this has been
2:55:55your guest, Owen Benjamin. This is the
2:55:58Jack Neil podcast.
2:55:59>> Thanks for having me, Jack.
2:56:00>> I appreciate you coming on, brother.
2:56:01>> That was fun. That was a good one.

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