Ophthalmologist Salary | How Much Does Ophthalmology Make — Transcript
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- 0:00in this video we're gonna answer the
- 0:01question how much can you make in
- 0:03ophthalmology let's go
- 0:04[Music]
- 0:14what's up guys and welcome back to the
- 0:16channel my name's zach i am a first-year
- 0:18a sopper's oculoplastic surgery fellow
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- 0:33about ophthalmology medicine life as a
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- 0:37i'm bringing guys along on the journey
- 0:38of me becoming a
- 0:40oculoplastic surgeon ophthalmologist all
- 0:42that cool stuff so let's get into the
- 0:44video i feel like this is a topic that
- 0:46gets really glazed over really glossed
- 0:48over in medical school almost nothing in
- 0:51medical school on this basically from
- 0:53what i can remember even in residency
- 0:55there were like two maybe three lectures
- 0:57it was like
- 0:58so minimal that we just like get through
- 1:00residency even and then we're looking
- 1:02for a job and we have even like no idea
- 1:05what to expect in terms of like salary
- 1:07or like how to negotiate a contract or
- 1:10anything money related it's just like
- 1:13it's like so over our heads no matter
- 1:15how much ophthalmology we know or how
- 1:17good we are as physicians
- 1:19we just have no idea about any of this
- 1:20stuff and so we ask people that have
- 1:22graduated a year to ahead of us like hey
- 1:24what's even reasonable for my first year
- 1:25in practice then we look on forums
- 1:27online and all this stuff so we really
- 1:30don't have a good grasp of this by the
- 1:31way guys i think it would be helpful in
- 1:32this video
- 1:34if you are a practicing ophthalmologist
- 1:36and just kind of comment down below
- 1:38whatever your setup is like if your
- 1:40cornea your glaucoma your oculoplastics
- 1:43and kind of your experience what you
- 1:45know to be like common in terms of
- 1:48salary and like production bonus and you
- 1:50know what's reasonable as a take home i
- 1:52think it'll be kind of a good uh good
- 1:54place for people to see
- 1:56and get a lot of different perspectives
- 1:57so you guys will probably be able to
- 1:59give more information on this than i can
- 2:01give in this video so comment down below
- 2:03um do it anonymously whatever you want
- 2:05to do um i think it'd be good but i want
- 2:06to try to shed a little bit of light on
- 2:08what you can expect in terms of how much
- 2:11money you'll make if you go into a
- 2:12career in ophthalmology so i feel like
- 2:14most of the followers on the channel
- 2:16probably have a pretty good grasp of
- 2:18what ophthalmology is but if you don't
- 2:20if you're new an ophthalmologist is
- 2:21somebody who did college and they did
- 2:23four years of medical school and they do
- 2:24four years of residency and then plus or
- 2:27minus one or two years of fellowship so
- 2:29it's a lot of training it's a medical
- 2:30doctor it's different from optometry
- 2:33because we do surgery and we're medical
- 2:34doctors mds so because ophthalmology is
- 2:37a surgical subspecialty primarily it
- 2:40tends to be on the higher end of how
- 2:42much you can make just because that's
- 2:44the way the american healthcare system
- 2:46is is it rewards
- 2:48procedures and i that's probably not a
- 2:50great thing in terms of the health of a
- 2:52nation
- 2:53it should probably focus more on
- 2:54preventative care and that kind of thing
- 2:56but the way the system is built and
- 2:58works is just that it rewards procedures
- 3:00monetarily and with ophthalmology
- 3:03there's really not much in the way of
- 3:04prevention in terms of cataracts other
- 3:06than staying out of the sun and just
- 3:08kind of living a healthy life not
- 3:09getting diabetes that kind of thing but
- 3:12eventually everybody's gonna need
- 3:13cataract surgery if you live long enough
- 3:15so for ophthalmology we do a lot of
- 3:16procedures and so based off of how much
- 3:18those procedures are compensated
- 3:21determine how much you would make in
- 3:22that specialty so in the past cataract
- 3:25surgery which is kind of the bread and
- 3:26butter surgery for the ophthalmologist
- 3:28used to pay a lot more than it does now
- 3:30and when i say pay a lot more i mean
- 3:32what medicare would pay so what the
- 3:34government health care system medicare
- 3:37what you get when you turn 65 what it
- 3:39will reimburse a
- 3:41cataract surgeon for doing cataract
- 3:43surgery right now that number is around
- 3:45five hundred dollars per cataract
- 3:46surgery and you say oh that sounds
- 3:47pretty good for five to ten minutes of
- 3:50work which is about what you can do a
- 3:51cataract surgery in but when you really
- 3:53look at it it's not five to ten minutes
- 3:55it's
- 3:56ten years of training that gets you to
- 3:58the point where you can do something in
- 3:59that amount of time and so year by year
- 4:01we've seen medicare basically cut little
- 4:03by little how much they will pay
- 4:06a cataract surgeon to do a cataract
- 4:07surgery so how have ophthalmologists
- 4:09compensated for this well the machines
- 4:11that we use have gotten really good
- 4:14cataract surgeons can do 20 30 sometimes
- 4:1640 cases in a day and so they'll just
- 4:19bounce back and forth from one room to
- 4:21the other doing these cataract surgeries
- 4:22so even if you're doing that if you are
- 4:24pumping out 20 cases a day which is a
- 4:26lot of surgery but not unheard of
- 4:28there's a lot of people doing that and
- 4:29some people doing twice that many and
- 4:31you just do them at five hundred dollars
- 4:32a piece you're looking at about ten
- 4:34thousand dollars a day just on cataract
- 4:37surgery now you factor in some things
- 4:39like premium lenses and when we talk
- 4:40about premium lenses we mean lenses that
- 4:42are like torque lenses that will correct
- 4:44astigmatism extended depth of field
- 4:46lenses things that will correct your
- 4:47near medium and far vision rather than
- 4:49just
- 4:50only your far vision which is kind of
- 4:52like the standard monofocal lens when
- 4:53you start factoring in things like
- 4:55femtosecond laser-assisted cataract
- 4:57surgery when you start factoring in
- 4:58those kind of add-ons to cataract
- 5:00surgery
- 5:01then the compensation starts going up
- 5:03even higher so you're looking at making
- 5:05tens of thousands of dollars in a
- 5:06surgery day if you're a high volume
- 5:08cataract surgeon now you look at
- 5:10something else like high volume lasik
- 5:12it's the same kind of thing you're
- 5:13looking at five to ten minutes of
- 5:15work to earn
- 5:17out of pocket up to two four thousand
- 5:20dollars for a couple eyes this can pay a
- 5:22lot a lot of money and you can do a lot
- 5:23of these procedures really quickly
- 5:26and efficiently if you have a good setup
- 5:27so as you can see ophthalmology by its
- 5:30nature is primed to do well in terms of
- 5:33being compensated for doing a lot of
- 5:34procedures quickly and we'll get into
- 5:36the numbers here in a second it's
- 5:37important to know that ophthalmology is
- 5:38further broken down by subspecialty so
- 5:41you have your general ophthalmologist
- 5:42doing cataract surgery sometimes lasik
- 5:44surgery you have your oculoplastic
- 5:47surgeons like me that may be doing
- 5:49functional plastic surgery even cosmetic
- 5:51surgery around the eyes and face and so
- 5:53that comes down to cash pay procedures
- 5:55that can really drive up the
- 5:56compensation for oculoplastic surgeon
- 5:58that they're doing a lot of cosmetic
- 6:00surgery a lot of out of pocket type
- 6:02surgery then you have glaucoma surgeons
- 6:04that are also doing a lot of cataract
- 6:06surgery than their glaucoma surgeries
- 6:08often doesn't compensate quite as well
- 6:10but the job market is a lot better corny
- 6:12i would put in the same realm as the
- 6:13glaucoma although they may do a lot of
- 6:15lasik they may do a lot of premium ios
- 6:17as well it really depends on how much of
- 6:19the cash pay procedures are going into
- 6:21it so the premium lenses the cash based
- 6:23stuff really factors in to the
- 6:26compensation of the ophthalmologist
- 6:27overall but i would say if you want to
- 6:29just speak in generalities in terms of
- 6:30ophthalmology subspecialties which ones
- 6:33are probably making the most you got to
- 6:34look at the retina surgeons because they
- 6:37are making a whole lot and a lot of that
- 6:39comes down to their surgeries pay a lot
- 6:41and they spend a lot of time in the
- 6:43clinic where they see a whole bunch of
- 6:44patients they do a lot of injections
- 6:46which comp and say well although that's
- 6:48decreasing and they can order scans of
- 6:50the retina which are also compensated so
- 6:52in their clinic visits they're able to
- 6:53bill a lot for those as well and so
- 6:56retina specialists by nature just but on
- 6:58the whole the retina subspecialists tend
- 7:00to make probably the most and then you
- 7:02have specialties like pediatrics and
- 7:04neuro ophthalmology that tend to make a
- 7:06little less although there are going to
- 7:07be instances where that is vastly
- 7:09different and i've seen those instances
- 7:11firsthand where people in those
- 7:13sub-specialties make some of the highest
- 7:15salaries actually in kind of a group
- 7:18but the lowest for the most part is
- 7:20going to be neuro-ophthalmology unless
- 7:22you're just super high volume which i've
- 7:24also seen that be the case um
- 7:26neuro-ophthalmologists seeing over 80
- 7:28patients a day so it really just depends
- 7:30on how you structure the practice but to
- 7:32speak in broad generalities and we're
- 7:33just trying to get an idea here so if we
- 7:35turn to the medscape compensation report
- 7:37to kind of see where ophthalmologists
- 7:39fall and keep in mind this is just one
- 7:41report if you look at some of the other
- 7:43ones like the doximity report or just
- 7:45things you'll find online these numbers
- 7:47tend to vary a lot and being still in
- 7:50training i don't have the greatest grasp
- 7:52of this i'm just trying to kind of give
- 7:53you guys an idea and let you know what i
- 7:55know which is of course not complete but
- 7:57just to go with some of the data that we
- 7:58have the medscape compensation report
- 8:01will say that ophthalmology kind of
- 8:02falls in the upper middle range as far
- 8:04as all medical specialties go and they
- 8:07list at about an average salary of 379
- 8:10000 per year some of the specialties
- 8:12that they list higher just kind of in
- 8:13order to give you an idea so they list
- 8:15plastic surgery uh at the top with 526k
- 8:19orthopedics at 511 cards with 459k
- 8:23urology 427k ent 417 radiology 413 gi
- 8:28406 oncology 403 dermatology 394 and
- 8:33then ophthalmology at 379
- 8:36and then if you want to come up from the
- 8:37bottom of the list it's things like
- 8:39pediatrics at 221 family medicine 236
- 8:43public preventive medicine 237 diabetes
- 8:46endocrine infectious disease internal
- 8:48medicine kind of working up from the
- 8:50bottom
- 8:51but keep in mind these are just kind of
- 8:54salary ranges and it's important to know
- 8:56that if you're looking to kind of build
- 8:58your wealth it's not going to come from
- 8:59the salary it's going to come from how
- 9:01much of it you save and any of these
- 9:03specialties are going to pay you enough
- 9:05that if you're smart with it and you
- 9:06save enough money it's not really going
- 9:08to matter
- 9:09if you're wise with it you invest it
- 9:11that kind of thing but this is just
- 9:12trying to give you a kind of an idea of
- 9:14the salaries in these specialties and
- 9:16particularly ophthalmology ophthalmology
- 9:18actually falls second in terms of
- 9:20incentive bonus factoring into that
- 9:22salary behind orthopedic surgery they
- 9:24list ophthalmology at 87 000 as the
- 9:27average incentive bonus for
- 9:29ophthalmologists what that kind of means
- 9:31is kind of if an ophthalmologist kind of
- 9:34makes their base salary and then they
- 9:35gross two to three times that or
- 9:37whatever the multiplier may be
- 9:39every every dollar over that they'll
- 9:41make a certain percentage and so that's
- 9:43kind of a production bonus for
- 9:44ophthalmologists uh it encourages them
- 9:46to kind of be productive and kind of
- 9:49make money for their practice and then
- 9:50they get a percentage of it once they
- 9:52hit a certain target and that's kind of
- 9:53how a lot of ophthalmology salaries are
- 9:55structured when you go out into the real
- 9:57world and try to kind of get a job
- 9:59that's kind of how it's going to be set
- 10:00up you'll often have a base salary that
- 10:02once you make a certain amount over your
- 10:05base salary if your base salaries say
- 10:07250 000 coming right out of training is
- 10:09what your base salary is that's what
- 10:11you're guaranteed your first year and
- 10:13then it may have a production bonus type
- 10:15setup where it says once you've grossed
- 10:17two times that amount so once you've
- 10:19grossed 500 000 maybe for the year
- 10:22everything you make above that you get
- 10:2330 percent of so everything you gross in
- 10:26that year greater than 500 000
- 10:29you get a percentage of so
- 10:31one you gross from 500 to 600 000 you
- 10:33get to keep 30 000 of that extra hundred
- 10:35thousand that's kind of how uh these
- 10:37things are often structured at least
- 10:38that's my understanding interestingly in
- 10:40this medscape compensation report they
- 10:42list ophthalmologists at the very bottom
- 10:45in terms of the time spent on paperwork
- 10:47and administrative work about 10.3 hours
- 10:50per week this was at the very bottom
- 10:52only
- 10:53slightly more than anesthesia so
- 10:55anesthesia spent less time doing this
- 10:56administrative type stuff and then
- 10:58ophthalmologists so what that's good if
- 11:00you can be in a job where you're not
- 11:01doing a lot of administrative
- 11:02bureaucratic stuff that will really
- 11:04reduce burnout and that kind of thing so
- 11:06that's important as kind of a breakdown
- 11:08between self-employed and employed
- 11:11ophthalmologists so meaning you're
- 11:13employed by somebody or maybe you're
- 11:15self-employed as an ophthalmologist uh
- 11:17the average employed ophthalmologist
- 11:18made 361 000 per year whereas the
- 11:21self-employed made 395 000 per year uh
- 11:24so quite a jump there in in salary not
- 11:26huge uh and you kind of gotta weigh the
- 11:29responsibilities that come with uh being
- 11:31self-employed and the risks that come
- 11:33along with that and the headaches that
- 11:34can come along with it but i think
- 11:36self-employed can be a lot more
- 11:37successful um to kind of break down just
- 11:40my anecdotal experience with some of
- 11:41this stuff
- 11:43not the numbers necessarily from these
- 11:44reports but just kind of what i've seen
- 11:47i want to go into kind of just by
- 11:48sub-specialty what i think
- 11:50can be reasonable oh but before i do
- 11:52that i want to mention from the
- 11:53doximeter report what they actually list
- 11:56as the average salary uh the average
- 11:58annual compensation um for ophthalmology
- 12:02they actually put at 454 000 so it's a
- 12:05big difference between the medscape
- 12:07compensation report
- 12:09so that's average and so
- 12:11there's a lot of variation in these
- 12:12things but just kind of talking to
- 12:15people that i've worked with or my
- 12:17friends and that kind of thing people
- 12:18are going to get jobs that are you know
- 12:19a year two years ahead of me
- 12:21kind of the general
- 12:23thing that i see
- 12:25most of the time if you're going into
- 12:26general comprehensive ophthalmology is
- 12:29somewhere in the low twos to like upper
- 12:32two's range so like the 225 225 000 to
- 12:35275 000 range is kind of like the
- 12:38average starting base salary for
- 12:41general comprehensive ophthalmology you
- 12:43tack on a fellowship like glaucoma you
- 12:45might go a little bit higher although i
- 12:47still feel like it's often in the mid to
- 12:49upper two range um but it's also going
- 12:52to depend on where you're practicing the
- 12:53more rural of a place it is the higher
- 12:55it's going to be so it may be up in the
- 12:57threes
- 12:58as a starting salary
- 12:59but i think the important thing to
- 13:00realize is the starting salary is really
- 13:03not the important thing here it's what
- 13:05is the potential sealing of the salary
- 13:08or income and how quickly can you get
- 13:10there those are really the two most
- 13:11important things and i think a lot of us
- 13:13get caught up too much
- 13:15in that kind of base salary right out of
- 13:18the gate but it's more important to look
- 13:20at the production bonus uh and and that
- 13:22multiplier i talked about the lower it
- 13:24can be uh you can really make a whole
- 13:26lot more than these base salaries so you
- 13:28may have the base salary of 250 and you
- 13:30think oh my god i've been training for
- 13:32this long that's really not that great
- 13:34but
- 13:35with the production bonus if you get
- 13:37busy a year two three years into
- 13:38practice you know you can be doubling or
- 13:41even even more than doubling uh that
- 13:44amount so you can be making you know
- 13:46five hundred thousand seven or fifty
- 13:47thousand uh if you're really productive
- 13:49high volume and that kind of thing so
- 13:51the production bonus is probably more
- 13:52important than the base salary and how
- 13:54easy it is to get to that production
- 13:56bonus so more anecdotal
- 13:58things that i just know from being in
- 14:00this for a while is uh so
- 14:02inoculoplastics are to go into the
- 14:04subspecialties specifically um
- 14:07i know that you can go out and you can
- 14:09do you can get a really low base salary
- 14:11like like staggeringly like like mind
- 14:14bogglingly low
- 14:16of what you would think you should get
- 14:18so
- 14:18it could be down in the ones it could be
- 14:20even lower and then they kind of try to
- 14:22sell you on the production bonus and
- 14:24that kind of thing i've also seen on the
- 14:26other side with oculoplastic surgeons
- 14:28that are really
- 14:29busy in terms of doing a lot of cosmetic
- 14:31procedures and have really busy
- 14:33practices where you're making over a
- 14:35million dollars so it varies really
- 14:37widely and again it just comes down to
- 14:41often the cash pay out out-of-pocket
- 14:43stuff uh will really kind of drive up
- 14:45and really determine
- 14:47uh how much how much you're going to
- 14:48make in the sub-specialty retina like i
- 14:51said this is going to be more in in the
- 14:53higher range
- 14:54so so think 300 400 plus thousand uh
- 14:58early on and then once you get into it
- 15:01you're you're looking at over half a
- 15:03million and i know of retina guys that
- 15:05make you know multiple million dollars a
- 15:07year
- 15:08that are in busy retina practice like i
- 15:10said with corny and glaucoma you can
- 15:12really do just as well depending on how
- 15:13many of the premium lenses how much
- 15:15cataract surgery you're doing and that
- 15:16kind of thing will determine how much
- 15:18you're gonna make in regards to that i
- 15:19know a lot of people really don't want
- 15:20to go into pediatric ophthalmology and i
- 15:22feel like that's often
- 15:24uh
- 15:24driven by the compensation that we see
- 15:27that goes along with pediatric
- 15:28ophthalmology um but i've seen where
- 15:30pediatric ophthalmologists can do really
- 15:31really well you know 800 900 over a
- 15:34million range uh in pediatric
- 15:36ophthalmologists i've seen that
- 15:37personally as well uh so i've seen where
- 15:39they can do quite well i'll say it's
- 15:40kind of the take-home point is i
- 15:41wouldn't let this affect your
- 15:43decision-making too much you can kind of
- 15:45see these these salary numbers and you
- 15:47can see maybe one sub-specialty that
- 15:48does you know a hundred thousand more
- 15:50than another on average and that kind of
- 15:52thing but the variation is so wide and
- 15:55it really just comes down to practice
- 15:57setup and i don't think that even that
- 15:59difference should be enough to sway your
- 16:01decision you know you're going to do
- 16:03fine in ophthalmology in any regard so i
- 16:06just wouldn't let it affect your your
- 16:08decision making and just pick the
- 16:10specialty that you think you're going to
- 16:11have the most fun doing and you'll find
- 16:13a way to do well you will do well
- 16:16because
- 16:17this is just how it works in
- 16:18ophthalmology just get compensated well
- 16:20enough to be happy and again like i said
- 16:22it's not the income that's going to
- 16:24determine how well you do it's how much
- 16:25of it you save do you invest it right
- 16:28and are you smart with it and do you
- 16:29kind of live below your means in terms
- 16:31of uh what you make and uh and that's
- 16:34kind of the take-home message but i know
- 16:36you guys are curious i know a lot of you
- 16:38have no idea even like the ranges on on
- 16:41these salaries so i just want to give
- 16:42you a kind of a look at sort of a broad
- 16:45overarching look at how ophthalmologists
- 16:47tend to do so to recap coming out of
- 16:50residency don't be surprised if you get
- 16:52a base salary somewhere in the low twos
- 16:55uh if you're in a more busy city to uh
- 16:58high two's range um you'll often have
- 17:00that production bonus that may kick in
- 17:02uh within you know a year or two once
- 17:04you're busy enough some of the other
- 17:06species like retina are probably going
- 17:07to make a little bit more oculoplastics
- 17:09varies if you're in academics it's going
- 17:11to be less if you're in private practice
- 17:13and you're doing a lot of cosmetic stuff
- 17:14it can be quite high so it really just
- 17:16depends on the setup but that's kind of
- 17:17the general overarching
- 17:19sort of
- 17:21range salary range that kind of thing
- 17:23for ophthalmology hope you guys found
- 17:24that interesting um if you enjoy these
- 17:26kind of money related
- 17:28topics financial related topics around
- 17:30medicine ophthalmology i'm no guru on
- 17:32this but i'm just trying to kind of give
- 17:34you guys some information because
- 17:36it's so lacking out there
- 17:38and if you're a seasoned ophthalmologist
- 17:40and you have more information you're in
- 17:41practice and you can comment some of
- 17:43your numbers down in the chat uh or
- 17:46comments go ahead and do that to help
- 17:47everybody out uh do it anonymously
- 17:49whatever hope you guys like the video
- 17:50i'm zach with dr eyeball d i'll see you
- 17:52in the next one
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