Open Networking at the Enterprise edge — Transcript

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1. 0:04all right everyone thank you for coming
2. 0:07and good morning
3. 0:08my name is Jeff Catlin and this
4. 0:11presentation is entitled open networking
5. 0:13in the Enterprise Edge
6. 0:15there'll be two presenters in this
7. 0:17presentation myself Jeff strandy from
8. 0:20Target
9. 0:21anyone else named Jeff is willing to
10. 0:24come up and participate we'll take them
11. 0:26as well
12. 0:28so this um there's two contributions in
13. 0:31this presentation and the contributions
14. 0:33coming into open compute are coming in
15. 0:36through the Enterprise connectivity
16. 0:38solutions group that's a sub project
17. 0:40group under networking ECS group this
18. 0:44slide here is uh from Tech week of 2020
19. 0:46when I did a presentation about what the
20. 0:49ECS group is
21. 0:50so we're focused on bringing
22. 0:53disaggregated and open Solutions into
23. 0:55the Enterprise Market
24. 0:57and this picture here shows where the
25. 0:59target is for the ECS group in the
26. 1:01beginning it's not so much the
27. 1:02Enterprise campus but the outlying
28. 1:05networks from the Enterprise campus and
29. 1:07if you think about who might have these
30. 1:09outlying networks they could be retail
31. 1:13operations so they could have their
32. 1:16retail stores where they might need
33. 1:17networking equipment they may have
34. 1:20distribution and Warehouse facilities
35. 1:21where they want to deploy this type of
36. 1:23equipment as well and so that's kind of
37. 1:25the initial Focus for the ECS group is
38. 1:28these outlying networks from the core
39. 1:31campus Network
40. 1:34so again two product contributions uh
41. 1:37one for my company celestica one from
42. 1:40Jeff's company Target my contribution is
43. 1:43a an Ethernet access switch and we are
44. 1:45seeking ocp accepted status and Jeff
45. 1:49will be presenting
46. 1:51um an ethernet switch specification for
47. 1:53a power over ethernet switch
48. 1:57so a few slides on what
49. 2:00we are contributing celestica as a
50. 2:03company
51. 2:04we have uploaded the specification and
52. 2:07all the design files through the
53. 2:09contribution portal portal so they will
54. 2:11be available for you guys to review as a
55. 2:13community
56. 2:14the switch is a one gigabit Ethernet
57. 2:17access switch it has 48 ports of one gig
58. 2:20connectivity eight ten gig uplinks it
59. 2:23supports an Intel x86 CPU on a commie
60. 2:27module so a modular CPU interface on
61. 2:31this on this design it supports
62. 2:34redundant power supplies and redundant
63. 2:36fans
64. 2:39kind of a look at the front and the back
65. 2:41pretty standard stuff you have your your
66. 2:4348 one gig ports on the bottom here on
67. 2:47the right hand side you have your your
68. 2:4910 8 10 gig uplinks and on the top row
69. 2:52you have your LEDs your ethernet
70. 2:56Management Port your console port and a
71. 2:58couple USB ports along with a luggage
72. 3:01tag for your serial number information
73. 3:03and the likes of that stuff on the rear
74. 3:06the power supplies are field replaceable
75. 3:08units and they are redundant the fans
76. 3:12are fixed so it's not a fan removable
77. 3:15fan tray but the fans are redundant in
78. 3:18this design
79. 3:21a high level block diagram of of what
80. 3:24the switch is pretty standard stuff
81. 3:26again it's got a modular CPU
82. 3:30based on the com Express form factor it
83. 3:33supports a four core Denver 10 CPU with
84. 3:36a has a ethernet switch silicon on the
85. 3:40design this is based on broadcom Trident
86. 3:433 X2 silicon and there's a little PCB
87. 3:48board on the the top plate of this that
88. 3:50supports the ethernet Management Port
89. 3:53and the serial port
90. 3:59so what is it that we are contributing
91. 4:01uh we're contributing the detailed
92. 4:04design paper specification we're
93. 4:06contributing all the design files that
94. 4:09are required to recreate this design
95. 4:10that includes the mechanical files the
96. 4:13step the Gerber files build materials
97. 4:16cpld source code and the likes of that
98. 4:18stuff
99. 4:19as far as software support on this
100. 4:22switch it will come with a standard Oni
101. 4:25is available for this switch open
102. 4:27network Linux is available for this
103. 4:29switch the ocp Baseline redfish profile
104. 4:32is supported on this switch as well as
105. 4:34well as Sonic is supported on this
106. 4:36switch Sonic inside supported on this
107. 4:39switch as well today so that's the
108. 4:41complete contribution from celestica
109. 4:45again it's it's
110. 4:47um
111. 4:47seeking ocp accepted status it's a
112. 4:50complete contribution if you're
113. 4:53interested in seeing this switch it is
114. 4:56available today it's in production it's
115. 4:58shipping we have one at our booth out on
116. 5:00the Expo floor so you know I encourage
117. 5:02you you guys to go take a look at it if
118. 5:04you're interested
119. 5:07that's me thanks a lot Jeff
120. 5:10so once again I'm just Randy I'm from
121. 5:12Target and I'll move into what Target is
122. 5:15submitting but first um I think you guys
123. 5:17are all going to be able to read this a
124. 5:19lot faster than I'll ever speak to it
125. 5:20but you know listening to some of the
126. 5:22presentations earlier and you hear a lot
127. 5:24about like we need 400 gig an 800 gig
128. 5:26and here we are up here talking about
129. 5:28one gig still right and that's the
130. 5:31reality and I think
131. 5:32cannot understate from an Enterprise
132. 5:35standpoint there is significant
133. 5:37challenges out there when you think
134. 5:39about like tens of thousands of
135. 5:41different types of endpoints that
136. 5:43connect in you know things like a Time
137. 5:45clock or an iot sensor like I don't want
138. 5:48to like minimize it but in the data
139. 5:50center you have a handful of Nicks and
140. 5:52some storage nodes right and my team has
141. 5:54the data center Network too and that's
142. 5:56really important but there's a ton of
143. 5:58variability out there and the Enterprise
144. 6:01space and like representing you know
145. 6:03Target here today we too want a lot of
146. 6:06the benefits of a disaggregated hardware
147. 6:07model but we need help in getting some
148. 6:11more Hardware options out there and
149. 6:13really working on the challenges that
150. 6:14exist inside of the Enterprise so the
151. 6:17one thing you're like well this thing
152. 6:18looks pretty straightforward but there
153. 6:20is one thing that is different from what
154. 6:23you would probably see inside of a Data
155. 6:24Center and it's not Poe it's the fact
156. 6:27that we're asking for a SFP or a
157. 6:30fiber-based management interface and the
158. 6:32reason for that that is
159. 6:34you know doing management over in-band
160. 6:37ports you can kind of make that work but
161. 6:40it is not ideal because when your
162. 6:42in-band network is having a problem
163. 6:43trying to get it and diagnose that is a
164. 6:46big challenge out there and when we have
165. 6:49stores that are fairly large you know
166. 6:51our stores will range anywhere from 150
167. 6:54000 square feet to some of our
168. 6:55distribution centers that are sometimes
169. 6:57over a million square feet and we have
170. 7:00these switches deployed everywhere well
171. 7:03today if we want a dedicated management
172. 7:05Network we're in a spot where we have to
173. 7:08deploy basically a dedicated switch to
174. 7:10do management and because there's not a
175. 7:13whole lot of options you end up buying
176. 7:14like a 48 Port switch for maybe four
177. 7:17connections so that's not ideal and so
178. 7:20for us if we could get something where
179. 7:22we could do management over a
180. 7:24fiber-based connection that we can back
181. 7:27haul all the way into our in our remote
182. 7:30locations we'll call them a mini data
183. 7:32center or a control room but they are a
184. 7:33control old space that has you know air
185. 7:35conditioning and all the good things
186. 7:37that need to happen if we could have
187. 7:39that it's far cheaper for us to pull
188. 7:41some more fiber than it is to deploy
189. 7:43another switch that has to yet be
190. 7:45managed so that's like the material
191. 7:47difference and these are the types of
192. 7:48challenges that exist in an Enterprise
193. 7:50space
194. 7:52um you know and I would I guess our ask
195. 7:55and what we're trying to have here is
196. 7:57we're asking for like a speck of this is
197. 7:59you know a standard you know 19 inch
198. 8:02rack we need to fit these into you know
199. 8:06small rooms that have short doors at
200. 8:09times so we need that standard 19-inch
201. 8:12rack 48 ports is pretty standard I think
202. 8:15if you hang out for a little bit longer
203. 8:17you'll hear one of my peers talk about
204. 8:20what we've actually done and we've got
205. 8:22some more call to action because there's
206. 8:23a lot of other use case on the hardware
207. 8:24side so that's just a little plug for an
208. 8:27upcoming session very soon
209. 8:30and then we do from uh from uh
210. 8:34operations standpoint having field
211. 8:36replaceable Parts is ideal because if
212. 8:40you think about oh if I have to just
213. 8:42pull one power supply versus unracking a
214. 8:45switch plugging in 48 ports like there's
215. 8:48labor savings there and so being able to
216. 8:51just swap one component whether it's the
217. 8:54fan or the power supply is ideal for us
218. 8:58and so what we've submitted is
219. 9:00essentially this concept of of a switch
220. 9:04we are open to talking with others of
221. 9:07how do we make this thing a reality and
222. 9:10I think it's uh I would say it's an
223. 9:12example of kind of where we're at as an
224. 9:15organization and kind of where
225. 9:16Enterprises are right from we're looking
226. 9:19to lay out the finer details Jeff's got
227. 9:21amazing details and he's got all like a
228. 9:23whole bunch of like additional
229. 9:25information on how to make something
230. 9:27like you know we don't have like that
231. 9:30built-in house right now so we're open
232. 9:32to working with others of how can we
233. 9:34make this thing reality and we hope that
234. 9:36this is a way that we can move the the
235. 9:39overall Enterprise life better uh into a
236. 9:43happier place in general and it's kind
237. 9:46of you know what Jeff talked about from
238. 9:47an Enterprise connectivity Solutions
239. 9:49standpoint is there's a whole bunch of
240. 9:51use cases there and you know for us it
241. 9:53made sense to continue to try to push
242. 9:55that and move that forward so so that's
243. 9:59that's what we have that we're
244. 10:01contributing we've uploaded the
245. 10:03information
246. 10:04and we've given it back to ocp
247. 10:08and you can speak here if you've got any
248. 10:09more other call to actions I would I
249. 10:11would highly encourage folks to get
250. 10:14engaged in the Enterprise connectivity
251. 10:15solutions group I know like all the new
252. 10:18shiny stuff we get to double every year
253. 10:20that sounds really cool and neat but
254. 10:22when you think about
255. 10:24there are you know tens of millions of
256. 10:28Enterprise like endpoints out there
257. 10:31there are
258. 10:32millions and millions of Enterprise
259. 10:33switches out there there's a huge market
260. 10:36and I I think having more people present
261. 10:41helping like Enterprises solve some of
262. 10:43those problems that we just don't
263. 10:45necessarily have the like in-house bench
264. 10:47to do and the horsepower to do and I
265. 10:50know talking about 10 megabit
266. 10:51connectivity or 100 megabit connectivity
267. 10:53isn't like oh my gosh how are we going
268. 10:55to figure out how to fit all these
269. 10:56cables right we're not we don't have
270. 10:58that but it would make the world better
271. 11:01for a whole lot of network engineers and
272. 11:03a whole lot of companies so please get
273. 11:05engaged we'd appreciate it
274. 11:09and we're super efficient with time too
275. 11:11so that should be a double bonus
276. 11:15very good
277. 11:19yeah and we're out of time we don't have
278. 11:21time for questions no go ahead sorry uh
279. 11:23first of all is is your is your
280. 11:24available to look at or talk to you
281. 11:26about later today on at any booth
282. 11:28so from a Target standpoint we don't
283. 11:31have we're not building a thing we're
284. 11:33looking to work with someone to build
285. 11:35something we would hope someone would
286. 11:36build the thing we have I don't know it
287. 11:38yeah so a couple things so the the
288. 11:40celestica contribution is a complete
289. 11:43contribution the switch is available
290. 11:44today you can see it at our booth it's
291. 11:46seeking ocp accepted status so that's a
292. 11:49badge in ocp you get what what Jeff and
293. 11:52Target are contributing is is what we
294. 11:54call an ocp a base specification so we
295. 11:56have a a three-tiered specification
296. 11:59process that we're trying to migrate to
297. 12:01and that's to try to help consumers of
298. 12:05products participate more on ocp so they
299. 12:07can write a base specification based on
300. 12:09their needs their Market requirements
301. 12:11they don't have to have schematic files
302. 12:13and all this other stuff right they just
303. 12:15State their needs in a document and then
304. 12:17that allows the community to come in
305. 12:19after that and produce a product spec
306. 12:22and a product spec as long as it meets
307. 12:25the
308. 12:27requirements that are weight in the base
309. 12:29spec then that product and Associated
310. 12:31product spec can be contributed to ocp
311. 12:33in one of two ways as an accepted
312. 12:36contribution or as an inspired
313. 12:38contribution one of two ways I saw the
314. 12:40photo I didn't know if it was a POC that
315. 12:42you had or a mock-up
316. 12:44physically anywhere the the drawings
317. 12:47that he showed in his were just a
318. 12:49mock-up just a representation of what's
319. 12:52in that specification okay then a quick
320. 12:54question and we can talk later
321. 12:56um
322. 12:57in the tip open converge Wireless
323. 12:59project they now have a project on an
324. 13:02open Poe switch essentially to power the
325. 13:04Wi-Fi APS defined by the tip open wi-fi
326. 13:07project
327. 13:09what have you how is there any
328. 13:12coordination between your idea and what
329. 13:15tip is already doing for an open Poe
330. 13:17switch
331. 13:17yeah I would say we I would need to look
332. 13:19and see what there is like I'm not
333. 13:21familiar with what they've got out there
334. 13:23yet okay where do you hang out after
335. 13:25this is over
336. 13:26that corner
337. 13:30yeah go ahead
338. 13:34yeah just want to have a quick question
339. 13:35you mentioned uh Power online power on
340. 13:38usernet but have you thought about wake
341. 13:40up and learn
342. 13:42uh one more time wake up online is that
343. 13:45on your agenda or specification to
344. 13:47oh wake on land yeah
345. 13:49uh no I don't think
346. 13:53um we don't have like huge wake-on land
347. 13:56like
348. 13:58from a physical standpoint okay yeah
349. 14:01thanks
350. 14:07so one thing I'd just like to note is
351. 14:10with a base specification like like uh
352. 14:12Jeff and target has contributed if let's
353. 14:15say a vendor has a product that meets
354. 14:17that requirement but exceeds it it would
355. 14:19still comply to the base specification
356. 14:22so if someone had a switch that had wake
357. 14:24on land capabilities and it had a higher
358. 14:26Poe budget and it had something Max set
359. 14:29capabilities what say that aren't called
360. 14:31out in that specification that switch
361. 14:34would still meet the base specification
362. 14:37that we're talking about here today it
363. 14:38would exceed it but it would meet the
364. 14:40base specification and be able to be
365. 14:42contributed to ocp through the ECS group
366. 14:44yeah that's also a good call out too is
367. 14:47and we lay out like just kind of what we
368. 14:49need but we also recognize like if we
369. 14:52can get more ecognitive scale by having
370. 14:54some extra stuff that more people would
371. 14:57want but we maybe don't need like we're
372. 14:58open to that as well we definitely are
373. 15:01willing to play well with others
374. 15:05uh two more questions if you don't mind
375. 15:09um number one I'm not I'm just curious
376. 15:12why you are asking for dedicated fiber
377. 15:15management interface
378. 15:17if you can use the Uplink as a
379. 15:20management and probably the change which
380. 15:23need to happen is to bind them to the
381. 15:25only to use that interface for boot up
382. 15:28if you need GTP
383. 15:30so that's the first question second
384. 15:32question is
385. 15:33do you see a use case which is a little
386. 15:35bit opposite of that where the switch is
387. 15:39powered by Poe ports with non-poe
388. 15:42Downstream ports for data center
389. 15:44management
390. 15:47um so the switch would be so I'll take
391. 15:49your second question first
392. 15:51um because that's the one I remember and
393. 15:53so you're wondering would we see a need
394. 15:56for a switch that was powered by Poe but
395. 16:00had no Poe ports itself
396. 16:02yeah we don't see that as a particular
397. 16:04use case in our environment like you
398. 16:07talked about the data center space I
399. 16:08think right yeah from a management
400. 16:11yeah I mean when I think about the
401. 16:13management Network in a data center like
402. 16:14you already have power to the racks um
403. 16:17you're not really going to some remote
404. 16:18location that you don't necessarily want
405. 16:19to pull power to so I don't I don't see
406. 16:21that from our perspective but others
407. 16:23might
408. 16:24and then your first question was
409. 16:26um around the management why a dedicated
410. 16:29uh fiber-based management and then I
411. 16:32missed part of it versus
412. 16:35I mean you already have four uplinks
413. 16:37which you can use for management why
414. 16:39don't you just utilize those for
415. 16:41management oh uh yeah so asking for a
416. 16:44dedicated fiber menu yeah so let me get
417. 16:46back to now you are doing management
418. 16:49over the inbound Network versus a
419. 16:52dedicated out-of-band management Network
420. 16:53so if you start running into challenges
421. 16:57um no I wasn't saying that I was just
422. 17:00saying to jdk the Uplink for a
423. 17:03management vrf with out of band
424. 17:05management
425. 17:07um
426. 17:08I don't know that you can boot those
427. 17:11over Oni and have it built that was the
428. 17:13other thing the the change which needs
429. 17:15to happen is the only to recognize that
430. 17:17interface of say only interface for
431. 17:19management yeah then if you need only
432. 17:21nctp you can use that well let's say
433. 17:25Ford yeah yeah that could definitely be
434. 17:28a different way to solve the problem
435. 17:30yeah and that would work too
436. 17:32thank you okay
437. 17:35thank you
438. 17:38any other questions
439. 17:42yep all right well thank you have a good
440. 17:44day thank you