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One on One with Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha, Author, "What The Eyes Don't See" — Transcript

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  1. 0:00here's the plan this happened in Flint
  2. 0:06but this can happen anywhere you know I
  3. 0:08did this research and it was all based
  4. 0:10on numbers and statistics and and the
  5. 0:13science of the data but I realized that
  6. 0:16every single number in my research was a
  7. 0:19kid
  8. 0:19dr. mona hanna-attisha or dr. mona as
  9. 0:23she's called is a pediatrician at
  10. 0:25Flint's public hospital and a professor
  11. 0:27at Michigan State University's College
  12. 0:29of Medicine in 2014 a high school friend
  13. 0:32who worked with the EPA told dr. Mona
  14. 0:35about concerns that their drinking water
  15. 0:36in Flint was tainted with lead it was at
  16. 0:40that same time the city changed its
  17. 0:42water source from the Great Lakes to the
  18. 0:44nearby Flint River in an effort to save
  19. 0:46money tests later revealed elevated
  20. 0:49levels of lead in their water coming
  21. 0:51from the river as a pediatrician you
  22. 0:54know I literally took an oath to protect
  23. 0:55children I took an oath to make sure
  24. 0:58that they're not only healthy today but
  25. 1:00that they have the healthiest future
  26. 1:02ahead of them
  27. 1:03fueled by her passion to help her young
  28. 1:06patients dr. Mona along with a few
  29. 1:08allies and experts looked for answers
  30. 1:10she was either ignored or denied access
  31. 1:13to records and data she did her own
  32. 1:15research and found evidence that
  33. 1:17supported her friends claim is results
  34. 1:20are concerning and when our national
  35. 1:23guiding organizations tell us primary
  36. 1:26prevention is the most important thing
  37. 1:27and that lead poisoning is potentially
  38. 1:29irreversible then we have to say
  39. 1:32something for high-risk groups
  40. 1:34especially those infants who are on the
  41. 1:36formula and the pregnant moms we we
  42. 1:39would say no tap water after going
  43. 1:42public with her findings state officials
  44. 1:44refuted her claims which made her fight
  45. 1:46back even harder she eventually
  46. 1:49testified before Congress along with
  47. 1:51fellow flynch crusader single mom leanne
  48. 1:54walters and yes the the levels of lead
  49. 1:56in my water were higher than hazardous
  50. 1:58waste levels she had complained of her
  51. 2:01tap water smelling and tasting foul and
  52. 2:03brought it to the attention of
  53. 2:05washington DC water expert
  54. 2:07Edwards together they brought the crisis
  55. 2:09to light then President Barack Obama
  56. 2:12drank filtered Flint water to reassure
  57. 2:15residents as he sent millions of dollars
  58. 2:17in federal aid to the water crippled
  59. 2:19city yeah the water around this table
  60. 2:21you know was Flint water that was
  61. 2:24filtered and it just confirms what we
  62. 2:27know scientifically which is that if
  63. 2:31you're using a filter if you're
  64. 2:32installing it then Flint water at this
  65. 2:35point is drinkable that does not I want
  66. 2:40to repeat and negate the need for us to
  67. 2:42go ahead and replace some of these pipes
  68. 2:44scientists with Missouri American water
  69. 2:46were called to Flint to help in their
  70. 2:48creature lives they run 300 tests a
  71. 2:51month we are testing every day here
  72. 2:54looking for things in the water that
  73. 2:55could immediately make people sick
  74. 2:57things like e.coli or coliform or
  75. 2:59whatever kind of bacteria might show up
  76. 3:00in a water sample so we're testing the
  77. 3:03raw river water we're testing it as it
  78. 3:05goes through our distribution system
  79. 3:06we're testing the taps here on our
  80. 3:08premises and then we actually go out
  81. 3:09into the community and we have partners
  82. 3:11out there where we'll take samples of
  83. 3:12their tap water because we want to make
  84. 3:14sure the water as it gets to the
  85. 3:15customer is the same as it leaves our
  86. 3:17facility Brian Russell with Missouri
  87. 3:19American Water says most pipes are
  88. 3:21lead-free in the st. Louis metro area
  89. 3:23however if any lead is found in a
  90. 3:25service line they'll replace it for free
  91. 3:27if you have questions about what's in
  92. 3:29your water we actually produce an annual
  93. 3:31it's called a consumer confidence report
  94. 3:32basically we're showing you what we find
  95. 3:35in our water every year it's posted on
  96. 3:37our website every water systems required
  97. 3:38to share with their customers so if you
  98. 3:40have any questions you can get on our
  99. 3:41website mo a.m. water common flinch has
  100. 3:44replaced more than six thousand lead
  101. 3:46pipes but nearly ten thousand are left
  102. 3:48state leaders insist the water quality
  103. 3:51is restored but residents are weary and
  104. 3:53still drink bottled water dr. Moniz says
  105. 3:56regaining their trust could take some
  106. 3:58time this is a story that of where
  107. 4:01science was was very much denied was
  108. 4:03disrespected it was ultimately our
  109. 4:05science that spoke truth to power and we
  110. 4:08are very much leaning on the incredible
  111. 4:10science of child development and
  112. 4:12stress and resilience to make sure that
  113. 4:14our children succeed two and a half
  114. 4:17years later dr. Mona recounts her life
  115. 4:19story the discovery of lead in the water
  116. 4:22and the disaster aftermath and her book
  117. 4:24but the eyes don't see next in this
  118. 4:27first person one-on-one with dr. mona
  119. 4:29hanna-attisha presented by st. louis
  120. 4:32county library and eight gctv we are in
  121. 4:36the plant the central plant of the
  122. 4:38Missouri American Water in Chesterfield
  123. 4:40Missouri and dr. mona hanna-attisha
  124. 4:41thank you so much for joining us he's
  125. 4:43great to be with you thank you so have
  126. 4:45you been in a water plant I've been in a
  127. 4:48water plant before that's great to be
  128. 4:50here well we're glad to have you here
  129. 4:51and you know we share with our viewers
  130. 4:52how misery American Water Works in this
  131. 4:54filtration system because you know with
  132. 4:57your book what the eyes don't see you
  133. 4:59know knowledge is power and you shared
  134. 5:01that knowledge with us and truly not
  135. 5:03only gave you power but the Flint
  136. 5:05Michigan residents as well and the rest
  137. 5:06of the world
  138. 5:07do you agree absolutely so the the
  139. 5:09reason I wrote this book was to to
  140. 5:11educate folks about about water about
  141. 5:14environmental and justice about public
  142. 5:16health issues but really about the power
  143. 5:18that we all have within us to open our
  144. 5:21eyes and to create change so it's it's
  145. 5:24great to be with you and it's great to
  146. 5:26share that message with folks over here
  147. 5:28after this arduous journey what's been
  148. 5:31the most surprising thing that's come
  149. 5:32out of all this
  150. 5:33good a minute yes I think the most
  151. 5:35surprising thing and probably the most
  152. 5:37positive thing have been all the ripple
  153. 5:39effects of the Flint water crisis so the
  154. 5:42Flint water crisis was it was a tragic
  155. 5:44disaster but we have learned so many
  156. 5:46lessons that we're hoping to make a
  157. 5:49difference in other communities so you
  158. 5:51know city after city is now being
  159. 5:53informed about their water they're
  160. 5:55taking action and they're working to
  161. 5:57protect the health especially of
  162. 5:58children so that's been kind of the most
  163. 6:01surprising and the most uplifting thing
  164. 6:02of this crisis is that we have made an
  165. 6:05impact at a much broader and greater
  166. 6:07level and that leads me to my question
  167. 6:08about what's the latest with Flint
  168. 6:10Michigan in the water supply that's an
  169. 6:12update yeah so Flint is still under a
  170. 6:13public health emergency the people of
  171. 6:15Flint are still on bottled water or
  172. 6:18filtered water and that's because our
  173. 6:20pipes are being replaced
  174. 6:22so for 18 months we were on this
  175. 6:24untreated corrosive water
  176. 6:26that ate up our lead pipes and those
  177. 6:29were damaged and those need to replace
  178. 6:31and we've already replaced about 6,000
  179. 6:33of them which is great and we have about
  180. 6:349,000 to go and because of that
  181. 6:37infrastructure earth-moving work it has
  182. 6:40the potential to disrupt the lead scale
  183. 6:43that's underneath and for that reason
  184. 6:44people need to remain unfiltered or
  185. 6:48bottled water until their pipe is
  186. 6:49replaced where's the money coming from
  187. 6:51so the money to replace the pipes is a
  188. 6:54mix of State dollars and federal dollars
  189. 6:56to replace those pipes and a great thing
  190. 6:59that's happened because of Flint is that
  191. 7:01now the state of Michigan recently
  192. 7:03passed a rule to work on replacing all
  193. 7:06of the pipes in the state all of the
  194. 7:08lead pipes once Flint replaces their
  195. 7:11lead pipes we're actually only going to
  196. 7:13be the third city in the nation that's
  197. 7:14replaced their lead pipes there's lead
  198. 7:17in plumbing everywhere especially the
  199. 7:19mid Midwest and the Northeast and we all
  200. 7:22have to learn from Flint and invest in
  201. 7:24in the infrastructure work to get the
  202. 7:26lead out of our plumbing so truly get
  203. 7:29the lead out the old saying goes is that
  204. 7:31because of those areas of in West and
  205. 7:32northeast are more industrialized
  206. 7:34they're older cities and these older
  207. 7:36cities used a lot of Ludden plumbing and
  208. 7:38we actually didn't restrict lead in our
  209. 7:40service lines which are the main lines
  210. 7:42that go from the water main to your home
  211. 7:44until 1986 but we actually didn't
  212. 7:47restrict lead in our in our fixtures
  213. 7:49like our faucets are especially our
  214. 7:51brass fixtures until 2014 so this led in
  215. 7:55all of our plumbing the release can be
  216. 7:57minimized with optimal treatment which
  217. 7:59is called corrosion control but to truly
  218. 8:01protect folks we should get rid the let
  219. 8:04out so your pediatrician you come back
  220. 8:07to your home state of Michigan and
  221. 8:09settle in Flint which you knew well and
  222. 8:13people might say why did she do that but
  223. 8:15because that's your home and I love the
  224. 8:17fact that you leaved your family life
  225. 8:18and being an immigrant into the story
  226. 8:20was that an easy thing to do and to
  227. 8:23write and why was that important yeah so
  228. 8:25weaving these different stories was like
  229. 8:27like walking on a tightrope so it was
  230. 8:30hard to strike the right balance but it
  231. 8:32was important for me to share the Flint
  232. 8:35story in my first verse invoice first
  233. 8:38person voice but
  234. 8:39you couldn't really learn about my role
  235. 8:41in this crisis without learning about me
  236. 8:43because that has shaped Who I am that
  237. 8:46has shaped what I do and where I work
  238. 8:49and my response to this crisis so yes I
  239. 8:51am a first generation immigrant we came
  240. 8:53to this country when I was four years
  241. 8:54old
  242. 8:55fleeing oppression fleeing tyranny
  243. 8:58fleeing the dictatorship of Saddam
  244. 9:00Hussein and I was welcomed into this
  245. 9:02country with open arms and my family
  246. 9:05very much lived at American Dream and I
  247. 9:08have that lens of really waking up every
  248. 9:10day grateful to be in this country
  249. 9:12grateful to serve my community but also
  250. 9:15knowing what what injustice is and
  251. 9:18knowing what what what you know what
  252. 9:21people in power can do to vulnerable
  253. 9:23populations so it was with that
  254. 9:25perspective that that I do my work and
  255. 9:27and wrote this book after all the
  256. 9:30attacks that came after you
  257. 9:32what was that like at that point was
  258. 9:33that one of the hardest things to deal
  259. 9:35with was the backlash part of the story
  260. 9:37is about the about how to be an activist
  261. 9:41about how to resist and it's it's not
  262. 9:44easy it's easier for us to go about our
  263. 9:47daily jobs to clock in to clock out and
  264. 9:49to be blind to what's going on around us
  265. 9:52and it is hard and there was a knot in
  266. 9:55my stomach that wouldn't go away and my
  267. 9:57heart rate was up and there were
  268. 9:58literally times that I just crawled into
  269. 10:01a ball with the sheets over my head but
  270. 10:04a spark lit inside me and that spark was
  271. 10:08the realization that this was not about
  272. 10:10me and it doesn't matter how I felt it
  273. 10:13was about it was about kids and it was
  274. 10:15about their entire future and that is
  275. 10:17absolutely what woke me up and got me
  276. 10:19back into this fight let's talk about
  277. 10:22the government because that was really
  278. 10:24frustrating to read you would send an
  279. 10:26email crickets no matter it seen
  280. 10:28whatever level you sent sent an email to
  281. 10:30say hey I've got these concerns or I've
  282. 10:32got these statistics whatever it might
  283. 10:34be that you were sending them that was
  284. 10:37just it seemed unconscionable yeah it's
  285. 10:38mind-boggling and that gets at the title
  286. 10:41of this book what the eyes don't see
  287. 10:42because it's about people and problems
  288. 10:45and places that we just choose not to
  289. 10:49see that we choose to ignore you know
  290. 10:52let's you know we don't have
  291. 10:53to answer that their emails those are
  292. 10:54those people in that far away city you
  293. 10:57know they're gonna be okay this is just
  294. 10:59temporary
  295. 11:00and that's not right that is part of our
  296. 11:02role in the Civic Society is being
  297. 11:04engaged and caring for the most
  298. 11:06vulnerable among us and you had support
  299. 11:08from your family that had to be huge
  300. 11:10because that it's really hard to do
  301. 11:12something just alone and your hospital I
  302. 11:14was really impressed with some of your
  303. 11:16administrators who back to you when the
  304. 11:19going went tough absolutely I was lucky
  305. 11:22and another kind of lesson of the story
  306. 11:23is the value of team you've building a
  307. 11:27village around you and you are never
  308. 11:29alone sometimes we think we are alone in
  309. 11:31our struggles but we sometimes have to
  310. 11:33kind of get out of our boxes and we find
  311. 11:36folks who look different than us and
  312. 11:38have different professionals than us but
  313. 11:40really care about the same things that
  314. 11:42we care about so it's important to work
  315. 11:45together to solve problems so you hold a
  316. 11:47press conference that the hospital does
  317. 11:49which is affiliated with the University
  318. 11:51so you've got some politics going on
  319. 11:54there because the university is kind of
  320. 11:55balking somewhat they write if every
  321. 11:58freshman they they they didn't really
  322. 12:00know the scope of the problem they
  323. 12:01weren't as informed right so you have
  324. 12:03your study that you did and it was
  325. 12:05basically as a pediatrician looking at
  326. 12:07the health concerns of the children that
  327. 12:09you're saying correct
  328. 12:10so as you're as you're doing this press
  329. 12:14conference you're getting some of the
  330. 12:17state and local government officials are
  331. 12:19freaking out basically or as you put it
  332. 12:21going nuts and what helped you propel
  333. 12:25you to just let's let's move on and
  334. 12:27let's just do this thing yeah once again
  335. 12:29it was the kids so as a pediatrician you
  336. 12:32know I literally took an oath to protect
  337. 12:34children I took an oath to make sure
  338. 12:36that they're not only healthy today but
  339. 12:38that they have the healthiest future
  340. 12:40ahead of them holding a press conference
  341. 12:42is not what doctors usually do it was
  342. 12:46kind of a form of academic disobedience
  343. 12:48when you when you do research you're
  344. 12:49supposed to publish and present and it's
  345. 12:51supposed to go through that peer-review
  346. 12:52process but that takes a long time and
  347. 12:55our children did not have another day
  348. 12:57but it was my very much my professional
  349. 13:00obligation but also my moral and my
  350. 13:03ethical obligation to stand up for these
  351. 13:05kids
  352. 13:06these were children who who no fault of
  353. 13:09their own lived in a city that was
  354. 13:11almost bankrupt that lost democracy that
  355. 13:14didn't treat its water properly and you
  356. 13:17know that the two live in a city - you
  357. 13:20know that should not be the consequence
  358. 13:22of your future you know we had the kids
  359. 13:25it was not their fault and as a
  360. 13:27pediatrician it's my job to be their
  361. 13:29advocate and to use my voice for them
  362. 13:31wonderful could you ever threatt feel
  363. 13:33threatened all through this process um
  364. 13:37not really
  365. 13:38you know I people were worried about me
  366. 13:41especially my mom they were really
  367. 13:44worried especially after the you know
  368. 13:46the backlash happened and people's jobs
  369. 13:48were lost but I've never felt threatened
  370. 13:51maybe you know I should but I can't live
  371. 13:54my life that that way I need you know
  372. 13:56it's all about moving forward and you
  373. 13:58had the whole community behind you - I
  374. 14:00mean how could they not go behind you
  375. 14:01except for those who wanted to put
  376. 14:04everything under there under the rug
  377. 14:05we're just horrifying are you still
  378. 14:07working at the clinic absolutely so I am
  379. 14:09still a pediatrician I still take care
  380. 14:12of kids but more importantly I have the
  381. 14:14privilege and the honor of directing a
  382. 14:16lot of our recovery work so I now direct
  383. 14:19the pediatric public health initiative
  384. 14:20where we are building a model public
  385. 14:23health program to make sure that our
  386. 14:25kids not only recover but thrive this
  387. 14:28book is also so much about a story of
  388. 14:30hope and we are using science based
  389. 14:34interventions evidence-based
  390. 14:35interventions to make sure that we do
  391. 14:38not see the consequences of this crisis
  392. 14:39this is a story that of where science
  393. 14:42was was very much denied was
  394. 14:44disrespected it was ultimately our
  395. 14:46science that spoke truth to power and we
  396. 14:49are very much leaning on the incredible
  397. 14:51science of child development and toxic
  398. 14:54stress and resilience to make sure that
  399. 14:56our children succeed it's wonderful know
  400. 14:58you went to Congress a couple of times
  401. 14:59right and testified what was that like
  402. 15:01um it was surreal
  403. 15:03so much of what's happened over these
  404. 15:05last few years have been did that just
  405. 15:07happen like pin let me pinch myself but
  406. 15:10you know that once again was a privilege
  407. 15:12to be able to to share what happened and
  408. 15:14hopefully to inform our legislators
  409. 15:17about what was going on but really to
  410. 15:20kind of the national implications that
  411. 15:22this happened in Flint but this can
  412. 15:24happen anywhere because all over the
  413. 15:26country we we have places that are
  414. 15:28losing democracy we have places where
  415. 15:30infrastructure is deteriorating we have
  416. 15:33ongoing environmental and Justices we
  417. 15:35have a disrespect for science so Flint
  418. 15:37is not alone and it was important to
  419. 15:39share the story of Flint to make sure
  420. 15:41that we can proactively take action so
  421. 15:43that we see no more Flint's I mean I
  422. 15:46guess it was somewhat altruistic
  423. 15:48initially to change the water source to
  424. 15:50save money for quote the residents but
  425. 15:54oh and I want to talk about your head
  426. 15:56shaking at that had that one press
  427. 15:58conference in fact it was brought out in
  428. 16:01national media as well but yeah I had to
  429. 16:04I had to look that up and sure enough
  430. 16:05they're giving spewing out some
  431. 16:07statistics and you're going wrong and
  432. 16:09that really kind of got you some more
  433. 16:11attention didn't ya unexpectedly so
  434. 16:13absolutely so I've never had a poker
  435. 16:15face and if I don't agree with something
  436. 16:18you see it and and you know they were
  437. 16:20there was efforts to minimize the crisis
  438. 16:22and I didn't agree with it so I shook my
  439. 16:24head so what happened after that at that
  440. 16:27point people came to you said well she's
  441. 16:30agreeing with the guard that's at the
  442. 16:31podium so you know I right away shot off
  443. 16:35an email to the governor's office saying
  444. 16:37hey you know this this is not right you
  445. 16:39know these statistics are not right and
  446. 16:42then once again spoke with the media and
  447. 16:44really tried to clarify things let's
  448. 16:46talk about the current political climate
  449. 16:48has it impacted Flint in any way
  450. 16:50absolutely the current political climate
  451. 16:54has set up the recipe for more Flint's
  452. 16:57to come because of what's happening with
  453. 17:01the EPA really kind of almost
  454. 17:03permanently dismantling the EPA
  455. 17:04threatened cuts to regulations that
  456. 17:07protect our air and our water the epa
  457. 17:10has this incredible opportunity to learn
  458. 17:11from flint and to strengthen the rule
  459. 17:14the lead and copper rule which governs
  460. 17:15lead and water that rule is weak that
  461. 17:18rule has not caught up with a science of
  462. 17:20no safe level of lead exposure so there
  463. 17:23is an opportunity right now to
  464. 17:25strengthen that and the epa has taken a
  465. 17:27pass they are not tightening that
  466. 17:29regulation so there's a concern about
  467. 17:31what's happening nationally not only to
  468. 17:33our mental regulations but public health
  469. 17:35funding access to health care through
  470. 17:39the ACA that all continued threats of
  471. 17:42that repeal children's health insurance
  472. 17:44other programs that support our most
  473. 17:46vulnerable populations so all of this is
  474. 17:49connected to Flint and to our recovery
  475. 17:51but also other communities where
  476. 17:53children throughout our country suffer
  477. 17:55from very similar toxicities so it could
  478. 17:58be LED exposure but it could also be
  479. 17:59poverty or exposure to violence or lack
  480. 18:02of nutrition so there are so many
  481. 18:04children waking up with very similar
  482. 18:06situations as children in Flint and and
  483. 18:09we can fix it we can proactively address
  484. 18:11that so nobody has to go through these
  485. 18:13situations how are the kids doing how
  486. 18:15have you seeing a difference and those
  487. 18:16numbers are going down in terms of lead
  488. 18:19contamination absolutely so since we you
  489. 18:22know since we share the information
  490. 18:23publicly that there was lead and water
  491. 18:25you know people have taken precautions
  492. 18:26there's filters there was bottled water
  493. 18:28delivery children's lead levels went
  494. 18:31down after that that was a great public
  495. 18:33health success story and we are in a
  496. 18:36very objective way quantifying how the
  497. 18:39kids of Flint are doing actually how the
  498. 18:40whole population is doing we were
  499. 18:42recently funded by the Centers for
  500. 18:43Disease Control to build a flint
  501. 18:45registry very much like other exposure
  502. 18:48based registries like the World Trade
  503. 18:50Center registry this is going to be our
  504. 18:52way to share how how Flint kids are
  505. 18:55doing and how fun kids are adult helpful
  506. 18:57adults are doing but unlike other
  507. 18:59registries that just track folks the
  508. 19:02point of this registry is to get people
  509. 19:03connected to all the awesome services
  510. 19:06and resources we've been able to bring
  511. 19:08in so that in five 10 15 years I hope to
  512. 19:11share with you not the consequences of
  513. 19:14this crisis but rather the consequences
  514. 19:17of our proactive and positive work to
  515. 19:19limit the impact of this crisis and then
  516. 19:22we also hope to share our best practices
  517. 19:23with other cities that are suffering
  518. 19:25from very similar issues we take tap
  519. 19:28water for granted don't we who doesn't
  520. 19:30it is America it is the 21st century
  521. 19:33Michigan is the this is a mitten state
  522. 19:36we are literally surrounded by the Great
  523. 19:38Lakes surrounded by the largest source
  524. 19:40of fresh water in the world and I wasn't
  525. 19:43naive to start but but who doesn't think
  526. 19:45that when you turn on your
  527. 19:47tap it comes up out okay in my head I
  528. 19:50imagined the scientists like the ones
  529. 19:52who work here with test tubes in their
  530. 19:54hands making sure that our water is safe
  531. 19:57so this is this is not this is not
  532. 20:01America this is not this century I talk
  533. 20:03a lot my book about about the history of
  534. 20:05public health I talk about the cholera
  535. 20:07epidemics of London in the nineteenth
  536. 20:09century and we've learned so much since
  537. 20:12then we now know how to disinfect water
  538. 20:13and treat water but we have to make sure
  539. 20:16that the treatment of water is the the
  540. 20:18purpose of that is public health and not
  541. 20:20minimal compliance you kind of mentioned
  542. 20:22this early but what would you hope a
  543. 20:23reader would take away from your book
  544. 20:25I hope the reader takes away the the
  545. 20:27terrible lessons from Flint but more
  546. 20:29importantly I wrote this book to share
  547. 20:32with readers the role of activism the
  548. 20:35role of being defiant the role of being
  549. 20:37informed and awake and alert and
  550. 20:40involved in your communities I we are at
  551. 20:43a time in our nation of growing
  552. 20:45movements people are waking up people
  553. 20:48are getting involved in their
  554. 20:49communities so I want readers to know
  555. 20:51that this is not just a story about
  556. 20:52Flint but this is a story about how you
  557. 20:54can get involved in your communities and
  558. 20:57and make the lives of especially our
  559. 20:59most vulnerable children better wherever
  560. 21:01you are dr. Mona he's your pediatrician
  561. 21:04but you're sounding less like a doctor
  562. 21:05more like a politician do you think
  563. 21:07you'll ever run for office no I am
  564. 21:09committed to to my kids in Flint and I'm
  565. 21:12committed to kids everywhere so not at
  566. 21:14this time still your true love isn't it
  567. 21:16absolutely I you know I wake up every
  568. 21:19day and it's not work I am privileged
  569. 21:21and I honored to care for children they
  570. 21:24inspire me they're the ones that wake me
  571. 21:26up every day
  572. 21:26so where do things stand now with your
  573. 21:29role in with the water crisis that's
  574. 21:32continuing because they're still trying
  575. 21:33to climb on the ladder there are you
  576. 21:36totally committed to being a doctor
  577. 21:37there or do they call on you i direct
  578. 21:40this new public health initiative and
  579. 21:42that's where i spend most of my time
  580. 21:44not as much taking care of that one kid
  581. 21:46at a time but taking care of the
  582. 21:48population of children so I've gone from
  583. 21:51holding one little hand to really hold
  584. 21:53in the hands of of the city of children
  585. 21:55I'm so working on those big public
  586. 21:58health initiatives things like early
  587. 21:59literacy programs
  588. 22:00and access to health care and nutrition
  589. 22:03services so all these things that we
  590. 22:05know promote children's development the
  591. 22:08reason I wrote this book over two years
  592. 22:10ago when I started writing this book
  593. 22:11because I knew the nation's attention on
  594. 22:14Flint with fade understandably there's
  595. 22:16other things in the news but I wanted a
  596. 22:19vehicle to put a spotlight back on Flint
  597. 22:21to remind people that hey Flint is still
  598. 22:23here we have long term needs and long
  599. 22:26term resources but we are also doing
  600. 22:29awesome things and Flint does not equal
  601. 22:31disaster Flint equals recovery and hope
  602. 22:34and it's happening it is happening we
  603. 22:36are doing great things and that aren't
  604. 22:38really being done anywhere in the
  605. 22:40country and that's what we want to share
  606. 22:42we want to share how how you know we
  607. 22:44rolled up our sleeves we took this
  608. 22:46tragedy we rolled up - I rolled up our
  609. 22:48sleeves really committed to the children
  610. 22:51and you know going back to the early
  611. 22:53stages of we write in the book you
  612. 22:56really went back to your roots as a high
  613. 22:58school and you were somewhat of an
  614. 22:59activist then and your and your dear
  615. 23:02friend that you grew up with you said
  616. 23:03you had two girlfriends and one of them
  617. 23:04was with the EPA absolute and she said
  618. 23:06hey this is kind of happening and you
  619. 23:08know alert yeah so my my involvement in
  620. 23:11this water crisis really came late in
  621. 23:13the game and it happened out of really
  622. 23:15pure serendipity hanging out with two
  623. 23:17high school girlfriends so hang out with
  624. 23:19your hang out with your girlfriends and
  625. 23:21one of them happened to be a water
  626. 23:23expert Elin Bhutan's oh and she used to
  627. 23:26work at the EPA she used to work at the
  628. 23:28EPA in Washington DC when Washington DC
  629. 23:31had a very similar lead and water crisis
  630. 23:33about a decade ago
  631. 23:34and she's the one that that taught me
  632. 23:36many lessons about water but told me for
  633. 23:40the first time about the possibility of
  634. 23:41leads and water yeah you wouldn't think
  635. 23:43in this day and age we'd still have the
  636. 23:44lid I mean what we said of the chip and
  637. 23:46you talk about this in the book the lead
  638. 23:47paint from windows cells and what have
  639. 23:48you
  640. 23:49and I thought it was one of some of the
  641. 23:50scientists well that were saying I won't
  642. 23:52be in the water may be in the paint
  643. 23:53right absolutely so I didn't even know
  644. 23:56before this water crisis that we had
  645. 23:58lead in our plumbing I didn't even know
  646. 24:00that there was led in the plumbing and I
  647. 24:01am a pediatrician with an environmental
  648. 24:04and public health background and I had
  649. 24:06no idea only after this unfolded did I
  650. 24:08realize that the actual word lead means
  651. 24:11plumbing the elemental Saburo of lettuce
  652. 24:13pee
  653. 24:14which comes from the Latin plumbum which
  654. 24:16means plumbing the Romans built their
  655. 24:19aqueducts out of lead plumbing and many
  656. 24:21people hypothesize the demise of the
  657. 24:23Romans is because they use so much lead
  658. 24:25so we should have always known that
  659. 24:27there was lead in plumbing and its risks
  660. 24:29flint was a not the first time we've had
  661. 24:32a load and water crisis
  662. 24:33it happened in DC but it's happened
  663. 24:35really for about a century and a half
  664. 24:36we've had lemon water crisis ever since
  665. 24:39we put lead in our plumbing but we have
  666. 24:41lacked really the political will to make
  667. 24:44a difference into protection in this
  668. 24:46case it was about money it was about it
  669. 24:48was a cost-cutting move it was to save a
  670. 24:50few bucks that we switched from Great
  671. 24:53Lakes water to the Flint River water
  672. 24:55without treating that water properly do
  673. 24:57you ever tire of this cause or is it
  674. 25:00just because it's just been so
  675. 25:01overwhelming for two years and you're
  676. 25:03raising your family you're trying to see
  677. 25:04patients yeah no I you know this we
  678. 25:07conducted this research to look at the
  679. 25:10children sled levels in record speed it
  680. 25:12was like two weeks but it should have
  681. 25:14been like a six-month research project
  682. 25:15and that's all in the book but in with
  683. 25:18that same speed of doing that research
  684. 25:20has been that same urgency since then
  685. 25:23the urgency to put into place the
  686. 25:26interventions to protect our children's
  687. 25:28futures so so it hasn't stopped it
  688. 25:31continues and and once again I feel
  689. 25:33grateful and privileged to this work I
  690. 25:35feel grateful to be able to really
  691. 25:38protect the potential of our children
  692. 25:40what's your advice to other activists
  693. 25:43out there because did you ever feel like
  694. 25:44I'm the only voice and you know and and
  695. 25:48but you're saying anybody can be bad
  696. 25:50yeah absolutely and and that's part of
  697. 25:53the story is that it was a team of
  698. 25:54voices you know the the heroes in the
  699. 25:57story are the activists the the
  700. 25:59residents of Flint
  701. 26:00well Liz Walters was at the end Walter
  702. 26:02is an amazing mom a mom you don't want
  703. 26:04to mess with she she pushed every button
  704. 26:06she contacted the EPA she contacted Marc
  705. 26:10Edwards with the water scientist who
  706. 26:11came into Flint so it took a team of
  707. 26:14folks to uncover this crisis activists
  708. 26:16and pastors and journalists and water
  709. 26:19experts and I was really that last
  710. 26:21Domino and but it never should have
  711. 26:24gotten to me it never should have gotten
  712. 26:26to the point where
  713. 26:27children had elevated lead in their
  714. 26:29blood it should have stopped when that
  715. 26:31first mom said there's something wrong
  716. 26:33with my child when there's something
  717. 26:35wrong with my water so the lessons of
  718. 26:37this book and the story is that we all
  719. 26:40are powerful we all have loud voices and
  720. 26:45we need to keep using our voices and
  721. 26:47keep pressing every button to create
  722. 26:50change
  723. 26:51this is the story of the most important
  724. 26:54an emblematic environmental and public
  725. 26:56health disaster of this young century
  726. 26:58more bluntly it is a story of a
  727. 27:01government poisoning its own citizens
  728. 27:03and then lying about it it is a story
  729. 27:05about what happens when the very people
  730. 27:07responsible for keeping us safe care
  731. 27:10more about money and power than they
  732. 27:12care about us or our children the crisis
  733. 27:15manifested itself in water and in the
  734. 27:18bodies of the most vulnerable among us
  735. 27:20children who drank that water and ate
  736. 27:23meals cooked with that water in babies
  737. 27:25who guzzled bottles of formula mixed
  738. 27:28with that water the government tried
  739. 27:30hard to convince parents the water was
  740. 27:32fine safe when it wasn't but this is
  741. 27:36also a story about the deeper crises
  742. 27:38we're facing right now in our country a
  743. 27:40breakdown in democracy the
  744. 27:43disintegration of critical
  745. 27:44infrastructure due to inequality and
  746. 27:46austerity environmental injustice that
  747. 27:49disproportionately affects the poor and
  748. 27:51black the abandonment of civic
  749. 27:54responsibility and our deep obligation
  750. 27:56as human beings to care and provide for
  751. 28:00each other

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