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0:00[Music]
0:05my guest this week is a filmmaker whose
0:06documentary The Red Pill explores her
0:09eye openening journey into the men's
0:11Rights Movement which is out in Select
0:13theaters right now Cassie J welcome to
0:15the Ruben report hello glad to be here
0:18I've had a lot of people that have
0:20wanted to make this happen this sitdown
0:23I suspect that no matter what we say
0:25over the next hour a certain amount of
0:27people are going to love it no matter
0:29what and a certain amount of people are
0:30going to hate it no matter what is that
0:32just part of talking about men's rights
0:35and feminism does that just come with
0:37the territory do you think uh yes
0:39definitely I mean men's rights
0:41especially uh just talking about men's
0:43issues gets a lot of uh feathers ruffled
0:46and that's partly why I wanted to make
0:48the film yeah so let's talk about you a
0:51little bit and your journey before we
0:53get into the film specifically uh so
0:55tell me a little about yourself were you
0:57always interested in men's rights when
0:59was your I know your evolution is partly
1:01what happened during the course of the
1:03film but uh you know just tell me a
1:06little bit about growing up and that
1:07kind of thing okay well I've I'm 30
1:09right now I started making films when I
1:11was 21 years old uh directing
1:13documentaries and I've always been
1:15interested in gender issues and
1:17sexuality uh so my first film was about
1:20sex education in America and it was
1:22called Daddy I do and that feature
1:25documentary really focused on women's
1:27rights and women's issues uh
1:29Reproductive Rights and single
1:31motherhood and my second feature film
1:33was about gay marriage called the the
1:36right to Love An American family and
1:39that was released in 2012 and had great
1:42response and positive reactions and then
1:45in 2013 I was done screening the right
1:48to love and I was looking for my next
1:51topic and I was toying around with a
1:53couple different uh film ideas one was
1:56about um the legalization of
1:58prostitution issue or do do
2:01criminalization and I was also looking
2:03at rape culture as being a possible
2:05topic for my next film and this was long
2:07before the hunting ground uh came around
2:10and while I was researching rape culture
2:13I came across the online men's rights
2:15movement and for about 10 years
2:18previously i' been a staunch feminist
2:21I'd been interested in gender issues and
2:24sexuality and I thought well what is
2:26this hidden corner of of the online
2:29communities and is is this the group of
2:32misogynists I've been hearing about that
2:33are perpetuating rape culture and so I
2:36embarked on this journey to make a film
2:38about the men's Rights Movement but from
2:40my feminist perspective yeah what did
2:43your feminist perspective like how would
2:46you uh summarize your version of
2:48feminism at least before you started
2:51this journey yeah uh well I I started
2:55calling myself a feminist when I was
2:56around 18 or 19 years old around 2004
2:592005
3:00and at the time I was living in Los
3:02Angeles and I when I started telling my
3:05friends that I was a feminist a lot of
3:06people were saying what you're a women
3:08hater you're you're not a lesbian you
3:10don't have hairy armpits and so I had
3:11that you know that kind of back then it
3:13was still that old mentality of thinking
3:16that feminists were uh these Butch
3:19lesbians kind of thing and the reason I
3:21became a feminist was because at the
3:23time I was acting in Los Angeles I moved
3:25to LA when I was 18 and started acting
3:28in a bunch of independent films and
3:30and I was very green and naive at the
3:32time and so I had a lot of instances
3:35where film producers would make advances
3:38on me and I felt like uh oh so is this
3:41my role in the world is just being this
3:44sexual object to
3:46be rather than being uplifted for my
3:49talents or my intelligence and and then
3:52a lot of the uh roles that I was going
3:53out for and acting where the hot blonde
3:57chick that dies in the first 10 minutes
3:59and uh so I was just fed up with you
4:01know this kind of U stereotypical role I
4:05was playing in in films and also it
4:07seems like in life and so so that's
4:10interesting let's pause there for a sec
4:11so somehow liberal Hollywood is what
4:14pushed you into feminism by its actual
4:18Judgment of women that's kind of
4:20interesting yeah yeah and I mean I think
4:23a lot of girls in La also feel
4:27objectified for being a woman and um and
4:29now with making the red pill I have
4:31different views on that but uh but yeah
4:34and also in the film industry it is uh
4:37the statistics on how many women are
4:39directors or producers or writers is you
4:41know there is a big gap between men and
4:43women in those positions so um so
4:46definitely liberal Hol Hollywood I think
4:48has uh just thinks a lot about women's
4:52rights and women's issues and I got you
4:54know wrapped up into that culture and
4:56and also at the time I should mention I
4:58started cuz 2004 2005 that was just when
5:02it was going or at least I was going
5:03from Myspace to Facebook and then later
5:05on Twitter came around and uh tumbler
5:08and so I think during this social media
5:11Evolution uh feminism and and what it
5:15was marketing as being a feminist being
5:18the movement for gender equality uh was
5:22kind of this easy pitch it's like of
5:23course everyone should be for gender
5:25equality and so so when originally
5:27people were saying how are you a
5:28feminist you're not a hater kind of
5:30thing and then and I was telling my
5:32friends that I was a feminist now fast
5:35forward to 2013 when I started looking
5:37at the men's Rights Movement all my
5:38friends who were confused of why I was a
5:41feminist now were more feminist than I
5:44was and uh so I've definitely seen this
5:47shift in uh people's acceptance of
5:50feminism and accepting the label so you
5:53were a card carrying feminist so to
5:55speak you find out about this men's
5:58Rights Movement which was largely just
5:59and online like what what was it that
6:01you first found out was this these on
6:03message boards or on where where were
6:05these people when this thing started now
6:07it's a little more it's gained a little
6:09more traction I think it's out there a
6:10little bit more but where was it at the
6:12time yeah so at the time it was March
6:142013 and like I said I was researching
6:17rape culture and then I stumbled across
6:19a website called AO for
6:21men.com and whenever the men's Rights
6:23Movement is talked about in mainstream
6:25media the the few times it is talked
6:27about they usually address a voice for
6:30men and their misogynistic rantings and
6:33this community of of men who hate women
6:36and and share their hatred with each
6:38other and and then uh all get riled up
6:40together in this online community of a
6:42voice for men right so that was the
6:44website that I initially found and I
6:48they definitely have some crude language
6:50a lot of swearing in there and a lot of
6:54uh talking points that I never heard of
6:55before so from my feminist perspective
6:58my walls were up and I was immediately
7:00thinking these are the misogynists I've
7:01been hearing about and uh and it
7:04terrified me and it took a couple months
7:06of me looking at some other documentary
7:09topics to explore and I just kept on
7:11coming back to the idea of the men's
7:13rights movement because I thought it was
7:15this Secret Under underground world that
7:18no one's ever explored and especially at
7:20that time not many people heard of of
7:22the men's Rights Movement so it really
7:24interested me so your intentions when
7:26you started were to look at this thing
7:29and you saw the language they were using
7:31in some of the over top overthe toop
7:33stuff and your intentions was sort of to
7:35expose it through a documentary but your
7:37feelings slowly changed the more that
7:39you got into it right yes yeah so when I
7:43initially started I I was thinking oh
7:45I'm going to get great footage on camera
7:46of these guys you know ranting about
7:48women or maybe even threatening me as
7:50I'm interviewing them and uh and I did
7:54feel like my protection while I was
7:55going to interview men's rights
7:56activists were was the camera as long as
7:59we're rolling I'm okay with getting hurt
8:01uh and
8:03then and you know also my having my crew
8:05there I did feel protected but at the
8:07same time I've been hearing that these
8:09men hate women that they harass women
8:10that they dox women uh so that's what I
8:12was expecting going into interviewing
8:14them that I was going to see you know
8:16capture this amazing footage of this
8:18yeah was it hard to find people to
8:19interview because I know the online
8:21especially in something like a topic
8:22like this the online World versus the
8:24actual World sometimes have very little
8:27connection with each other oh yeah I
8:29mean the online world is uh you might as
8:31well be Oz behind the curtain I mean
8:33it's a very the inanity oh my gosh I
8:37can't say that word they're enough how
8:39about that yeah yeah anonymity uh is
8:43comforting and people can act like
8:45whoever they want to behind a computer
8:47and uh and with the online men's Rights
8:50Movement I think um from what I've seen
8:55reading all the comments and the
8:56articles that they write uh they there
8:59is a lot of Truth to what they're saying
9:02although they do take a less PC approach
9:05and so that's what they're attacked for
9:07from mainstream media so what was like
9:09the first issue that you saw them
9:11talking about that you thought oh there
9:13might be some legitimacy
9:15here oh gosh well so for context I
9:19filmed Mr and feminists for a full year
9:23and I I interviewed 44
9:26people and uh each interview was
9:29different from the next personality
9:31types some drive very well and others I
9:34I just couldn't quite connect with uh
9:38but each interview I had we we went over
9:40all the issues and and my understanding
9:43of each issue evolved over that amount
9:44of time and also watching the footage
9:46back in while I was editing the film uh
9:49but domestic violence was a big one that
9:52really got me thinking um just the
9:55amount of support uh financial support
9:58emotional cultural support for female
10:01victims of domestic violence versus men
10:04uh is staggering and uh and then it one
10:09big uh turning point for me on my
10:12journey was actually putting the
10:13magnifying glass on my own feminist
10:15beliefs and realizing that I was
10:19unwilling to have compassion for a male
10:22victim of domestic violence cuz I did
10:23interview some male victims but if if it
10:27was a woman speaking and and she was
10:29saying the exact same thing that this
10:30male victim was saying then I would have
10:32had instant compassion without question
10:34or not blaming her for the choices she
10:36made whereas with these male victims I
10:39found myself saying well why did you get
10:41into this relationship with a woman who
10:43obviously had a lot of red flags going
10:45into it and why didn't you leave and uh
10:48so so yeah well how much of that is just
10:51male and woman stuff that's just
10:53hardwired into us like the idea that the
10:57man is supposed to be powerful the woman
10:59isn't now you have someone a man that's
11:01being abused and as you're saying it was
11:03sort of like built into you to have less
11:06compassion for them that's it's kind of
11:09tough to untie that right yeah and and
11:12so often within feminism we talk about
11:15double standards that if you call a a
11:17guy a player or cool if he dates a lot
11:20of girls and then a girl a sled and So
11:22within feminism we constantly talk about
11:24double standards but then I ended up
11:25seeing all these double standards within
11:28within myself when addressing men's
11:30issues and uh so as I was in
11:33interviewing the mr's men's rights
11:35activist I kept on trying to find ways
11:39to diminish their issues and I was first
11:43doing that myself and also in my video
11:45diaries which are included in the film
11:47uh but then once I got past the point of
11:50making excuses for these issues and
11:52really was there a Breaking Point I mean
11:53was there really a moment where you were
11:55like I I need to change my own outlook
11:57here well you know I think part of what
12:00gave me that breaking point was when I
12:02started to explain to my feminist
12:03friends men's issues that I really did
12:07think had they had the statistics to
12:09back them in the in the studies and um
12:12to support what the mras are saying and
12:14so then I would try to relay that
12:16message to my feminist friends and then
12:17I saw their uh unwillingness to listen
12:21and just be dismissive towards these
12:22issues and I realized I was doing that
12:24too but I did have a breaking point
12:26where where I started to think no we
12:28should for instance let's use an example
12:31with suicide 78% of all suicides around
12:34the world are men and the common
12:37reaction you'll get from feminists is
12:39saying that more women attempt suicide
12:43and I what I learned from the men's
12:45Rights Movement is they aren't trying to
12:48dismiss women's issues or they're not
12:49saying that no woman is ever raped or no
12:52women is ever abused by her spouse uh
12:54but they're trying to bring up issues
12:57that men face but when do that instantly
13:00feminists or even people who don't wear
13:03feminism on their sleeve but just are
13:04the kind of mainstream liberal you know
13:07right open seemingly open-minded person
13:10seemly open-minded yeah that seems to be
13:11a theme around a lot of the stuff I talk
13:13about yeah seemingly and so they'll have
13:15these uh quick like responses that are
13:20in essence diminishing what the men's
13:22issue is like saying well women more
13:24women attend but yes but still 78% of
13:27all suicides are men yeah um uh and then
13:29domestic violence one and three women
13:32are within their lifetime will be a
13:34victim of physical abuse by uh init
13:37partner and one in four men and that's
13:40from the CDC and it's very similar we
13:42always hear about the one in three women
13:44when talking about domestic violence but
13:46we rarely hear about men so so when you
13:49as when an MRA tries to bring up one and
13:51four men immediately feminists are
13:54saying yeah but more women okay but we
13:56talk about that and why why are we so
13:59and willing to address men's issues what
14:01does that tell us do you think about
14:02just our need to you know I always talk
14:05about the oppression Olympics here that
14:06everyone wants to be more grieved than
14:09someone else so that it seems like their
14:10problems are worse and then by being
14:12more grieved they're somehow better then
14:15because it sounds like that was a bit of
14:16the response you were getting from the
14:17feminist you weren't suddenly denying
14:19any of the problems that the feminist
14:21had right yeah uh but you were saying
14:23here's some other problems but for them
14:25it to acknowledge that would somehow
14:26diminish their own problems somehow I
14:29suppose in their mind and that that's
14:30kind of crazy uh way to have a whole
14:33conversation yeah and it and it does
14:35turn into the tip for Tat oppression
14:38Olympics who's who has it worse and
14:40that's what I found really fascinating
14:41about making the red pill is because
14:43mras aren't dismissing women's issues
14:46and all the M I spoke to said that they
14:48are for women's rights that's a big
14:49misconception that the mainstream media
14:51tries to paint about the men's rights
14:53movement that they're trying to turn
14:54back the clock on women's rights want
14:55them back in the kitchen barefoot and
14:57pregnant and that's not the case at all
14:59and I would actually say they're even
15:00going further into the gender equality
15:02discussion by adding men to the
15:04discussion and uh but what was so
15:07fascinating about the just the feminist
15:10ideology and and that was a word that I
15:12didn't connect with feminism many months
15:15into filming and when it finally clicked
15:16in my head that feminism is an ideology
15:19uh and I I would love for our culture to
15:23get to a point where we can distinguish
15:25between feminism and being for women's
15:28rights because they are two different
15:29things feminism is a movement with a
15:32belief system and um not all people who
15:35say there are feminists or not all
15:38people who are non-feminists are against
15:41women's rights you can be for women's
15:42rights without being a feminist right so
15:44do you think that the the ideology of
15:46feminism or the movement of feminism
15:49kind of lost its way over the years do
15:50you think it's possible I I've had a few
15:52guest on here that have said you know as
15:54things have gotten better for women and
15:56as there is equality for women you know
15:58you always have to find a new oppression
16:00for yourself according to this
16:02oppression Olympic scale so you have to
16:03suddenly be more offended by words if
16:05actions aren't happening to you and
16:07things like that so do you think the
16:08movement kind of just lost its
16:10way uh I mean I'll try to think back to
16:15my previous 10 years of being a feminist
16:17and how I saw it evolve and I don't
16:19think when I became a feminist around
16:212005 it wasn't
16:24as big as it is now and I think social
16:26media has a large part to do with that
16:29uh and it it's almost gotten to the
16:32point where I this is my personal
16:34opinion I don't think everyone agree
16:36with this but it almost becomes where
16:38people want to bully you into labor
16:40labeling yourself a feminist and I've
16:43heard some feminist women tell men uh
16:46say well are you for gender equality
16:48well yes I am well then you're a
16:49feminist
16:51and uh and it's almost like like a very
16:55if that's the only you know test you
16:57have to take that right are you for
16:59gender equality yes and here's your
17:01score you're feminist right uh it's so
17:03much deeper than that and and it is the
17:05politics of the movement it's the
17:06tactics it's the ideology that that
17:09women all women are oppressed by all men
17:11that we live in a patriarchy and that's
17:14discounting all the other factors
17:16including gender roles that large part
17:18of them are biologically related yeah um
17:23talk to me about the biologically
17:24related gender roles because there is
17:26something to that men evolve to be the
17:28hunters and women were the gatherers
17:30there there is something there that
17:31doesn't mean that obviously women can
17:34have virtually any job that a man can
17:36have and all that stuff but there there
17:38are some things that have just we've
17:40evolved to be different right and that
17:42that's okay yeah uh well I mean
17:44obviously the how you bear children is
17:48is the biggest difference and because
17:51women do carry the child and also
17:53breastfeed uh that does change how
17:56relationships
17:59the Dynamics of the home and how you
18:01operate the home and raise the kids up
18:03that does change who's decided to be the
18:05bread winner and if someone's going to
18:06stay home who is going to be that person
18:08and feminism has tried to rewrite the
18:12script that the reason men go to work
18:15and women stay home is because we have
18:17this idea of the gender wage Gap so
18:19therefore why should she be the brand
18:20winner if she's going to be make 77
18:22cents to a man's dollar that doesn't
18:23make sense so it's keeping her in the
18:25home because of this gender
18:27discrimination but as I'm sure you know
18:30the gender wage Gap is not I've had
18:32chrisa half summ on we've dived into it
18:35yeah right so how how would you actually
18:37Define feminism then I probably should
18:39have asked you this 10 minutes ago but
18:41what do you think the actual what would
18:43your definition of 2016 what does
18:45feminism mean oh oh gosh that's I'm
18:48really on yeah that's how would I Define
18:50feminism now with where my head is after
18:53making the red pill uh I I do believe it
18:57is an ideology
18:59um I I actually came out of a religion
19:02when I was in my teen years and uh
19:06spoiler
19:07alert uh with the red pill I also end up
19:11not being a feminist after making the
19:13red pill and they were very similar um
19:17experiences for me it it's I I call it
19:20the shedding process where it's a it
19:23happens over a long period of years for
19:26me but uh it's just resistance to one to
19:29hear the facts and apply that to your
19:32belief system that's been so comfortable
19:33for so long and that you've kind of
19:35blindly uh believed in and led you
19:37throughout your life and when you start
19:39questioning that it's a very scary
19:40experience so uh but as far as how I I
19:44Define feminism now I do think of it as
19:46a quasi religion because because the
19:51feminists that I've been seeing are
19:52unwilling to have a an intellectual
19:55discussion just based on the statistics
19:58and facts that don't fit within their
20:00belief system and uh so if if you
20:04believe that all women women are
20:06oppressed by all men then how could it
20:08be that women have more Reproductive
20:11Rights and more reproductive choices
20:13when having children and yet men could
20:16um be a victim of paternity fraud and
20:19paternity fraud is when you're raising a
20:21child that you later find out is not
20:23yours and there's no repercussion for a
20:25woman if she'd been lying to uh this man
20:27for 18 years saying it's his own kid and
20:30turns out it's not and the courts don't
20:32support him being uh you know any any
20:36kind of resolution to that uh I mean
20:39there's so many different issues that do
20:41attack men yeah on their gend and some
20:44of those things actually are systemic
20:47like when people talk about systemic
20:48racism there are things that are
20:49systemic I have a friend right now
20:51that's going through a divorce with the
20:53child custody battle and he's been the
20:55the primary bread winner for the entire
20:57time and at times his wife didn't work
20:59and didn't didn't have a lot of money
21:00and he provided for everybody but she's
21:02getting much more leniency related to
21:04the child right now that's actually
21:07systemic meaning that it's part of the
21:09system the legal system that she's
21:11getting benefits that that he doesn't as
21:13the man yes yeah and you know something
21:16when I was making the red pill that was
21:18very interesting is that feminists will
21:20also acknowledge custy issues uh for men
21:24but they will still say that it's
21:27discrimination against women so the
21:29reason that women get uh custody of the
21:33children about 80% of the time in all
21:35custody cases is because it's
21:38discrimination against women that women
21:40are expected to be the child caretaker
21:43and be the state so even if they get the
21:45child which in most cases is what they
21:47want that's still discrimination yes
21:50because that's the role that the woman
21:51is supposed to play or something yeah I
21:54just recently saw a video online about
21:57maternity leave versus patern leave and
21:59it was something around the world the
22:01average for maternity leave days paid
22:04maternity leave days was 107 days around
22:07the world and for men it was something
22:09like seven days and so they said that
22:12statistic and then immediately after
22:14they said this is discrimination against
22:16women that were expected to take care of
22:18the kids although the whole video was
22:20talking about how the US needed
22:22maternity leave and paternity leave yeah
22:25but it you do you see some of this stuff
22:27changing in a positive boy I have a
22:29friend who works at Facebook who had his
22:31wife had a kid and they basically like
22:34forced him to take paternity leave like
22:37she was okay handling it and she has a
22:38good family that was around helping her
22:40with the kid but they basically were
22:42like saying to my friend no no you take
22:44it too and he he did and he ended up
22:45working from home a lot and whatever but
22:47like so some of this stuff is sort of
22:49evening out in in some ways right uh
22:53yeah and something you don't have to
22:54agree
22:55with Well I this I'm going to steal a
22:58quote from Janice F mango who's a
23:00professor at Ottawa University she says
23:02that we need to strive towards equal
23:05opportunity not equal outcome and I
23:08think that you know applies with
23:10maternity and paternity leave that we
23:12should have equal opportunity for both
23:14parents uh and but we shouldn't force uh
23:19say um okay what's a good example uh we
23:24shouldn't Force girls to get into stem
23:26education so it equals to % or we
23:29shouldn't force that we have half uh
23:32female senators or um CEOs and all that
23:36we shouldn't Force any of that and and I
23:39think a lot of what mras and dissident
23:41feminists talk about is that women do
23:44have choices actually more choices than
23:46men do as far as if you want to stay at
23:48home with the kids or be a bread winner
23:50and women are using that choice and and
23:54so far it hasn't evened things out we
23:56don't have half the am amount of
23:58senators being women so and artificial
24:01quotas would just be artificial it
24:03wouldn't necessarily mean that that's
24:04exactly what women want to do or what
24:06men want to do it would just be it seems
24:09like it's fair it makes people kind of
24:10feel good but it doesn't necessarily
24:12mean that it's right or yeah or true you
24:15know something that's interesting is
24:16that Michael Moore who's another
24:18documentarian who's you know I I really
24:20do admire his work uh but he has a film
24:23festival in Flint Michigan and his last
24:24Film Festival he only accepted female d
24:28DED films and he said that he wanted to
24:31do that until Things become even with
24:33female director films with with men and
24:37how did that make you feel in your line
24:39of work well I do wonder if he told
24:42everyone that before they submitted
24:43their film because if all these guys
24:45were submitting their films and they had
24:46no chance of making to the film festival
24:48that'd be a little right but uh but yeah
24:51I think it's very interesting that there
24:53is this big push to help female
24:54filmmakers although you have to be on
24:56script because here I am a female
24:59filmmaker and I have not gotten the
25:01support that I've gotten from my other
25:02films because this is not the the red
25:05pill is not in line with the the
25:08feminist agenda you know so doing a film
25:10about feminism you're going to get a
25:12certain amount of mainstream support
25:14doing a film about gay rights you're
25:16going to get a certain amount of
25:16mainstream support this is the one where
25:20as you said you're ruffling some
25:21feathers so the mainstream support uh
25:24isn't as easy so to speak and I would
25:27add to that that that uh the amount of
25:30backlash that I've seen from making this
25:32film I've been it's been three and a
25:35half years now in the making and we just
25:36released it last week and because I
25:39haven't been seeing that support of me
25:41making this film I've started to realize
25:43that maybe feminism is just it's not
25:46about feminism isn't for women it's for
25:49feminism because if it were just about
25:52women and helping women then I would
25:54support right and and interestingly
25:57enough some some of the most uh vocal
25:59people disagreeing with my film or
26:02trying to actually wage a smear campaign
26:03against me are uh one major what I would
26:07call a a feminist troll blogger David
26:11frr he's a male feminist yeah and so
26:14it's just fascinating that uh you know
26:17and there's so many people feminists who
26:19support his attacks on me and it's just
26:22interesting gender reversal yeah
26:24absolutely all right so let's I want to
26:25back up the say that you said about the
26:26men's rights in the first place
26:28that you didn't find there to be that
26:30many misogynists or guys that really
26:32hated women or things like that you're
26:34not saying that there are none right
26:35like there obviously there obviously are
26:37some you're acknowledging that right
26:38like I haven't met them really so even
26:40when you were in the message boards and
26:41things I haven't really dived in that
26:43much to that kind of stuff but really
26:44there wasn't like just some level of
26:46guys that are just angry maybe angry at
26:50the world and they're misdirecting it on
26:51women or something else you really
26:53didn't find much of that there
26:54definitely troll commenters but there is
26:57policing happening on on a voice for men
26:59and the other men's rights websites and
27:01many people would call them out or or
27:02block them from the site and and here's
27:05a great example of what the mainstream
27:07media will do with um when reporting on
27:09the men reporting on the men's Rights
27:10Movement is uh Paul elim who's the
27:13founder of a voice for men uh there was
27:16someone who wrote a horrible comment on
27:18a voice for men and this was about two
27:19years ago and so and this was early on
27:22when they were just really starting to
27:24grow and I was I was filming them so
27:26Paul elim took this long
27:28horrible Comon that was bashing women
27:31and and promoting violence against women
27:33and he copied and pasted it into his
27:35article and said this is is absolutely
27:37unacceptable if I see any of this
27:39activity you're going to be blocked from
27:40the site and no questions asked so it
27:44was just one article that he wrote and
27:45copy and pasted and then feminist media
27:49took the comment that he quoted and said
27:51look at what M and a voice for men says
27:53about women and that was so common with
27:56all the articles I was Finding on voice
27:58and they do do a lot of satire and a lot
28:00of the headlines are clickbait to get
28:03you to think what what's that so for
28:05instance the headline would be when is
28:07it okay to punch your wife and but then
28:09you read within it and and they are
28:11trying to make a point all that you know
28:13with right so their tactics may be um
28:17not the best questionable but the
28:20content you're saying in an article like
28:21that so what so in an article like that
28:23when is it okay to hit your wife I would
28:25basically argue never I guess if she hit
28:27you you could hit her back
28:28but what in that type of article like
28:31what what are they going for well his
28:33point is that there is this double
28:35standard that uh you're not allowed to
28:37defend yourself if you're a boy or a man
28:40and women can hit men but you can't hit
28:42back and that's what the article talks
28:45about uh and here's a good example of my
28:49step nephew who's 15 years old who lives
28:51in Seattle just this past uh spring in
28:56at an assembly at a school all of the
28:58boys had to get off the bleachers go to
28:59the front of the stage and take a pledge
29:02that they would never hit a girl this is
29:04just a couple months ago yeah and so
29:07this double standard that boys can never
29:09hit girls but girls you know free reain
29:12they're they're weak a weird way it
29:13empowers girls to hit boys probably at
29:16that school because they know they're
29:17not going to be hit back yeah that's
29:20that's a little weird did you see this
29:21video maybe it's about two years ago on
29:23the New York City subway where this
29:25woman was really berading this guy just
29:28they didn't even know each other there's
29:29on the subway some other random person
29:31videotaping and she's screaming at him
29:32screaming at him screaming at him
29:34finally she hits him and he really was
29:36doing next to nothing and then he did
29:38hit her back basically knocked her out
29:39this was a big guy uh and I did a video
29:42on it and I basically said and I've
29:44evolved a little bit with all this stuff
29:45too but I basically was like don't hit
29:47her he shouldn't have hit her he
29:48shouldn't have hit her and I got a ton
29:50of for that and in retrospect I
29:53guess what I meant really was she hit
29:56you she shouldn't have done it but
29:58you're a big guy nothing good is going
30:00to come out of this I guess in a
30:03situation like that what do you think
30:04even because when there are obvious
30:06strength differences also now of course
30:08the strength difference could be the
30:09other way you could have a a very meager
30:10guy and a and a bodybuilding woman I
30:12mean all kinds of things um so I'm not
30:15even sure what my question is with that
30:16but but when you see instances like that
30:18where the power Dynamic doesn't quite
30:20make sense for what we think of for
30:22these things he's trapped he's trapped
30:24there's no easy answer people shouldn't
30:26hit other people that's that's the of it
30:28but the system allows for women to hit
30:30men without repercussions really and and
30:33men cannot hit women or you're going to
30:35jail and even just the accusation that a
30:37man hit a woman or so many times I heard
30:40from mras that there would be some kind
30:42of domestic violence situation in a home
30:45where a woman is going at a guy with a
30:47knife he grabs her arms to hold her back
30:50he leaves a couple bruises and he's the
30:51one spending the night in jail and going
30:53to court uh but and I have heard of so
30:57many of these cas of of women attacking
31:00men and and the strength issue uh that
31:04something else that needs to be brought
31:05into the discussion is that women use
31:06weapons more often and so there is an
31:10equalizer uh
31:12but it it's hard you know for that guy
31:14on the bus there's no easy answer and
31:17you know because of the culture we live
31:18in he's he you know he's going to be the
31:21one attack that he shouldn't have done
31:22that and right at the end I wanted I
31:25guess my point was just it sucks like
31:28she was abusing him verbally she
31:30shouldn't have hit him but it was like
31:32nothing good was going to come out of it
31:33and yet at the same time it's like she
31:35hit you like you can hit her back it it
31:38just feels weird I suppose but that sort
31:41of is how the world works yeah and I I
31:44didn't include this in my film because I
31:46couldn't find enough evidence to prove
31:48this but one of the stories that I heard
31:51while I was interviewing Mr is that uh
31:53Rihanna with her uh is it James Brown
31:57the ex Chris Brown Chris Brown
31:59yeah different guy different era unless
32:02you know
32:03something previous life yeah uh so
32:07apparently when it was first reported
32:09and this is just what an M told me I I
32:12tried to find evidence of this and I did
32:13find some articles supporting what this
32:16Mur said but uh that when it was first
32:18reported she was wailing on him as he
32:21was driving and she was attacking him he
32:23was swerving and then he took one punch
32:26knocked her out and then that was the
32:28infamous case of of her being beaten up
32:31and uh so I don't have enough evidence
32:34to say that's exactly true but if it
32:36were that I think that should be talked
32:38about that what if it wasn't just him
32:43slugging her out of nowhere what if she
32:45was wailing on him while he was driving
32:48he was sing all the place that were
32:49going to get into crash and so whose
32:52faults is it but you know the the
32:54women's movement and the feminist
32:56movement really lifted up Banna as this
32:59um example of a female victim of
33:00domestic violence and uh one of the mras
33:04that I inter she went back to him also
33:07right and then they did a video together
33:08and everything that was sort of about it
33:10and then a lot of feminists I guess were
33:12were against her or were angry at her
33:13for going back right yeah and that's the
33:16thing with domestic violence is there uh
33:18you know so many times you want to tell
33:19a person who's who's saying they're
33:21victim or is actually a victim that they
33:23need to make better choices get out of
33:25that situation uh but you know there's a
33:27lot more going on behind the domestic
33:30violence issue than just all men abusing
33:33women and nothing else no gray area
33:35there's a lot of great area
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