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  1. 0:00Now, on BBC 1, Tom Mangold presents
  2. 0:02Panorama, which contains strong
  3. 0:04language.
  4. 0:05Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson. Now, you may know
  5. 0:07me as a sportscaster, commercial
  6. 0:09pitchman, or an actor, but I also played
  7. 0:11some pro football a while back, but that
  8. 0:13was a couple of years ago.
  9. 0:15He was fast.
  10. 0:16He was strong. He was America's football
  11. 0:19hero, a super athlete with a nice guy
  12. 0:21image.
  13. 0:21He's in the Hall of Fame.
  14. 0:24There are moments of time when it seems
  15. 0:25that every
  16. 0:26He achieved even greater fame when he
  17. 0:27advertised Hertz cars coast to coast.
  18. 0:30It's a beautiful Hertz you're receiving.
  19. 0:32All right. Listen up everyone.
  20. 0:34I want you to calmly file towards the
  21. 0:36exit.
  22. 0:36And as a film actor, he promised his
  23. 0:38fans everything.
  24. 0:40Well, I must have done something good or
  25. 0:42something right to be here, and I just
  26. 0:43want you to know that I'll never let you
  27. 0:45guys down.
  28. 0:46I put
  29. 0:47But something went terribly wrong, and
  30. 0:49now an American hero is accused of two
  31. 0:51dreadful murders.
  32. 0:55So, is O.J. Simpson the sporting legend
  33. 0:58who adored his wife and family, or the
  34. 1:00ranting bully terrorizing her in this
  35. 1:02tape recorded by the police?
  36. 1:03911 emergency 5150.
  37. 1:04get someone over here now? He's back.
  38. 1:07Please.
  39. 1:08Okay, what does he look like?
  40. 1:09Simpson. I think you know his record.
  41. 1:11Okay, is he the sportscaster or
  42. 1:14whatever?
  43. 1:14Yeah.
  44. 1:15Okay, and what is Wait a minute, we're
  45. 1:17sending police. What is he doing? Is he
  46. 1:18threatening you?
  47. 1:20[ __ ] going nuts.
  48. 1:22Tonight, as America obsessively asks
  49. 1:24itself which is the real O.J., and did
  50. 1:26one of them brutally murder his wife and
  51. 1:28her friend, Panorama explores both the
  52. 1:30crime and the deeper issues raised by
  53. 1:32it. Issues that persistently trouble
  54. 1:34America at the end of the millennium:
  55. 1:36race, domestic violence, money and
  56. 1:38justice, and the power of fame.
  57. 2:11The crime itself was only too simple. On
  58. 2:14the night of June the 12th, someone
  59. 2:15called here at Nicole Simpson's house on
  60. 2:18South Bundy in the posh Los Angeles
  61. 2:19suburb of Brentwood.
  62. 2:22When she came to the garden gate and as
  63. 2:24the car drove by, she was noiselessly
  64. 2:27slashed to death in the shadows.
  65. 2:30At about the same time, Nicole's friend
  66. 2:31Ronald Goldman came to see her.
  67. 2:34The same killer then overpowered and
  68. 2:35knifed him to death, too.
  69. 2:38Even in a city that lives by excess,
  70. 2:40this was an awful crime.
  71. 2:48In the morning, detectives began
  72. 2:50investigating the nightmare on South
  73. 2:51Bundy. Nicole's throat had been cut.
  74. 2:54Goldman had been slashed in a maniacal
  75. 2:55frenzy. There was no apparent motive.
  76. 2:58Suspicion soon fell on Nicole's
  77. 3:00ex-husband, but O.J. Simpson was both
  78. 3:02the most and least likely man to have
  79. 3:04committed the murders.
  80. 3:07Why did Hertz invent number one club
  81. 3:09gold service?
  82. 3:10Having run into America's consciousness
  83. 3:12as a superb black athlete, O.J. Simpson
  84. 3:15next transcended color through the
  85. 3:17marketplace with these groundbreaking
  86. 3:18commercials.
  87. 3:20Yeah, it's a good feeling. I always
  88. 3:21wanted to play with this guy and I'm on
  89. 3:23a team that is a pretty exclusive
  90. 3:25consolidated his favored uncle image as
  91. 3:27a sports commentator, helping middle
  92. 3:29America convince itself it was color
  93. 3:31blind.
  94. 3:32Yeah, well, we got a great team that
  95. 3:33we've just joined in this Hall of Fame.
  96. 3:35This is as close as most Americans will
  97. 3:37come to having some member of their
  98. 3:40family on trial.
  99. 3:41What we see on the surface is never the
  100. 3:45real person and if there is one thing
  101. 3:47that I hope people will take out of this
  102. 3:50tragedy,
  103. 3:51it is to be very careful about thinking
  104. 3:55that we know somebody from their public
  105. 3:56persona, because we don't.
  106. 4:00The image required an appropriate
  107. 4:02lifestyle, and this is one of his three
  108. 4:04homes. $5 million worth of mock Tudor
  109. 4:07mansion, pool, and tennis courts in
  110. 4:09Brentwood. He told police he was asleep
  111. 4:11here during the murders.
  112. 4:14This is the exclusive golf course he
  113. 4:15played on.
  114. 4:17Closed to anyone without real money or
  115. 4:18fame. No problem in Brentwood. But some
  116. 4:21traditions die hard, and O.J. Simpson
  117. 4:24was a black man who didn't work as a
  118. 4:25caddy on the greens.
  119. 4:30And these are the streets and coffee
  120. 4:31houses of Brentwood where hanging out
  121. 4:33and looking fabulous are full-time
  122. 4:35occupations for most of the rich young
  123. 4:37film star and sporting wannabes. For
  124. 4:40O.J., all this was a million miles from
  125. 4:42home, yet just 1 hour's flight away.
  126. 4:46The number 32 jersey still covers the
  127. 4:48most famous son of the Potrero Hills
  128. 4:50district here in San Francisco, where
  129. 4:53O.J. Simpson was born. But this is the
  130. 4:55other side of the tracks. Indeed, it's a
  131. 4:56whole world away from Brentwood and
  132. 4:58Hollywood. This is the very humble place
  133. 5:00of his youth.
  134. 5:03He was born in one of these slum
  135. 5:05dwellings that still cling to a
  136. 5:06hillside. The poverty endures, and each
  137. 5:09generation faces the same uphill
  138. 5:11struggle. His father deserted him. His
  139. 5:14stern mother took charge. Today, the
  140. 5:16Juice, as he's called, is the one
  141. 5:18shining light on the narrow path out of
  142. 5:20this trap.
  143. 5:21We're from BBC Television. How are you?
  144. 5:24British Broadcasting. Hi. Thanks very
  145. 5:26much for asking us to talk.
  146. 5:31What did he mean? What did O.J., what
  147. 5:34does O.J. mean to the Potrero community
  148. 5:36here?
  149. 5:37O.J., O.J. meant quite a bit to us.
  150. 5:40To be perfectly honest, because he was a
  151. 5:42he he showed us that, coming from our
  152. 5:45area, that you can rise above.
  153. 5:48You can rise above your circumstances,
  154. 5:50be how meager they are. You see. And
  155. 5:53O.J. was like a role model, man.
  156. 5:55Everybody was proud of Juice.
  157. 5:59O.J. could see for himself how
  158. 6:01tantalizingly close he always was to the
  159. 6:03better life that hung like a backdrop on
  160. 6:06the other side of the slum hill of
  161. 6:07Potrero.
  162. 6:11He worked out at the recreation center
  163. 6:12which sits in no-man's-land.
  164. 6:17And his face remains an inspirational
  165. 6:19come-on, emblematically encouraging the
  166. 6:21young hopefuls who leave their homes as
  167. 6:23he did for a few hours a day to earn
  168. 6:26their passport to freedom.
  169. 6:30This is how and where O.J. trained
  170. 6:32himself to become the fastest man of his
  171. 6:34sport. It took strength to play his way
  172. 6:37out of Potrero, but what was the real
  173. 6:39cost of that achievement?
  174. 6:42Calvin Tennison was a close childhood
  175. 6:44friend. We met in the center's playing
  176. 6:46field.
  177. 6:47Being a black man,
  178. 6:50you have to be black till you hit the
  179. 6:52the dirt, until you're dead. I mean,
  180. 6:54there's no time in your life when you're
  181. 6:56not going to look in the mirror and be
  182. 6:58black. And I feel that with all the
  183. 7:02money, the fame, the camera, the lights,
  184. 7:05the action, at some point in his life,
  185. 7:08in the early '80s, around the time he
  186. 7:10met Nicole, he looked in the mirror and
  187. 7:12he didn't see a black man anymore. He
  188. 7:14seen a neutral man or another kind of
  189. 7:17man that could fit in with the the white
  190. 7:20society in in Hollywood without any
  191. 7:24problem. He felt comfortable with that.
  192. 7:26Maybe he became uncomfortable with being
  193. 7:29black.
  194. 7:30He said, "Love me for O.J., for what I
  195. 7:34am, and not for my image." But what
  196. 7:35you're saying is that the image was
  197. 7:37crucial to his existence.
  198. 7:38Yeah, he had to have that image, and the
  199. 7:40O.J. that he wanted you to love, I don't
  200. 7:43think it even exist no more. I think he
  201. 7:45left the real O.J. right here in in
  202. 7:48Potrero Hill.
  203. 7:56That was the world he left behind when
  204. 7:57his extraordinary sporting triumphs
  205. 7:59eventually elevated him here to Los
  206. 8:01Angeles in the suburb of Brentwood. He
  207. 8:04married Nicole, his second wife, in 1985
  208. 8:06and they divorced 2 years ago.
  209. 8:09But we now know that on O.J.'s part this
  210. 8:11remained a dangerously obsessive and
  211. 8:13violent relationship. It didn't end, it
  212. 8:15couldn't end, save in what the
  213. 8:17prosecution now claims was a conclusion
  214. 8:19of appalling finality.
  215. 8:23Simpson has vigorously denied both
  216. 8:25murders, but the problem for him is
  217. 8:26threefold. He had a motive, his alibi is
  218. 8:29weak, and the forensic evidence
  219. 8:31implicating him is powerful. The murder
  220. 8:33scene was drenched in blood.
  221. 8:38The killer seems to have worn gloves and
  222. 8:39one of them, heavily blood stained, was
  223. 8:41found at the scene.
  224. 8:44The police allege that the Nicole murder
  225. 8:46was carefully premeditated by Simpson.
  226. 8:48Goldman was just in the wrong place at
  227. 8:50the wrong time. They say Simpson then
  228. 8:52immediately drove the 2 miles home.
  229. 8:56Damning evidence is the second blood
  230. 8:58stained glove found in Simpson's own
  231. 8:59garden.
  232. 9:00And there are blood stains on the door
  233. 9:02and inside his white Ford Bronco Jeep.
  234. 9:05If Simpson did it and there are no other
  235. 9:07suspects, what could have been the
  236. 9:08motive?
  237. 9:09Here was a man who had everything money
  238. 9:11could buy into or out of.
  239. 9:13But evidence that Simpson was anything
  240. 9:15but a nice guy to his wife has now
  241. 9:17emerged. Evidence of another O.J.,
  242. 9:20selfish, spoiled, possessive, a dominant
  243. 9:22bully.
  244. 9:23This is the O.J. America praised doesn't
  245. 9:25exist, but he seems to be real enough.
  246. 9:28He was certainly a vicious wife beater
  247. 9:30struck by a social illness rampant
  248. 9:31throughout America as the prosecuting
  249. 9:33district attorney himself revealed.
  250. 9:37I've been talking about domestic
  251. 9:39violence and about the need to do
  252. 9:42something early on in domestic violence
  253. 9:45to protect
  254. 9:47not just the victim like Mr. like Ms.
  255. 9:50Simpson
  256. 9:52but others too.
  257. 9:54Los Angeles has one domestic murder
  258. 9:56every 9 days. O.J. frequently battered
  259. 9:59his wife.
  260. 10:01The vehemence of his verbal violence is
  261. 10:03heard on this police tape of an
  262. 10:05emergency phone call.
  263. 10:13Could you just please O.J. O.J. O.J.
  264. 10:16O.J.
  265. 10:21Please.
  266. 10:28O.J. please the kids.
  267. 10:31Is he leaving?
  268. 10:32No.
  269. 10:34This was one of several such calls.
  270. 10:36After one of them, Nicole went to seek
  271. 10:38help.
  272. 10:39She found it with Dr. Susan Forward, a
  273. 10:41distinguished psychologist and a world
  274. 10:43expert on domestic violence. She became
  275. 10:46Nicole Simpson's personal
  276. 10:47psychotherapist.
  277. 10:50What was your reaction when you heard
  278. 10:51the 911 tapes?
  279. 10:53I cried
  280. 10:55because I remembered her.
  281. 10:57The voice came back to me when she was
  282. 10:59sitting across from me crying. At one
  283. 11:01point, I went over and I put my arms
  284. 11:03around her and held her
  285. 11:04because and I said it's safe in here.
  286. 11:06You can say what you need to say and
  287. 11:08then you need to get angry. And when I
  288. 11:10heard the 911 tape, I heard some of the
  289. 11:12hopelessness and I heard a lot of the
  290. 11:15terror in her voice that I had heard in
  291. 11:16the office.
  292. 11:17Okay, and what Wait a minute. We're
  293. 11:19sending the police. What is he doing? Is
  294. 11:20he threatening you?
  295. 11:22He's [ __ ] going nuts.
  296. 11:24Okay, has he threatened you in any way
  297. 11:26or
  298. 11:28or is he just harassing you?
  299. 11:31You're going to hear him in a minute.
  300. 11:32He's about to come in again.
  301. 11:34Okay, just stay on the line.
  302. 11:35want to stay on the line. He's going to
  303. 11:36beat the [ __ ] out
  304. 11:37Wait a minute. Wait. You just stay on
  305. 11:38the line so we can know what's going on
  306. 11:40till the police get there, okay?
  307. 11:43When I saw her, hair was somewhat
  308. 11:45bedraggled. She wore no makeup. She had
  309. 11:47on blue jeans and a T-shirt.
  310. 11:49And um
  311. 11:51very ambivalent, very frightened about
  312. 11:54what she was doing both from the sense
  313. 11:58of having had many threats against her
  314. 12:00by O.J. that, you know, if you leave me,
  315. 12:02I'll kill you. If I can't have you,
  316. 12:04nobody can. If I can't have you, I'll
  317. 12:05kill you.
  318. 12:07Threats that she took very seriously
  319. 12:08knowing um
  320. 12:10how violent and volatile his his temper
  321. 12:12was.
  322. 12:14In 1989, Simpson was charged with wife
  323. 12:16beating. His fame may have helped him
  324. 12:18secure a minimum probationary sentence.
  325. 12:21Why didn't she take your advice and get
  326. 12:23out?
  327. 12:24He told her that he would get the kids.
  328. 12:27He would prove her to be an unfit
  329. 12:28mother. He He was powerful. He had
  330. 12:30friends in high places. He would use
  331. 12:32every weapon he could to get the kids
  332. 12:34and to cut her off without a cent. And I
  333. 12:36said, "Nicole, he can't do that."
  334. 12:39She believed him. He had so narrowed her
  335. 12:41world and he so defined reality for her
  336. 12:45because she had limited activities
  337. 12:48outside of what she did with him. And
  338. 12:50she literally had to go to him for
  339. 12:52permission to see friends.
  340. 12:54My wife, Nicole, who came into my life
  341. 12:57at what
  342. 12:59is probably the most difficult time for
  343. 13:01an athlete, at the end of my career. And
  344. 13:04she turned those years into some of the
  345. 13:05best years I've had in my life, babe.
  346. 13:08My dad
  347. 13:09But the public saw a devoted adoring
  348. 13:11family man.
  349. 13:13And uh
  350. 13:15I don't I don't I don't know what what
  351. 13:16you say about the most important person
  352. 13:18in your life.
  353. 13:19I'm just glad she's here today.
  354. 13:21My mother.
  355. 13:23I
  356. 13:28The impression he gives them
  357. 13:30is of an intensely loving man who loved
  358. 13:33his father, loved his mother, and
  359. 13:35certainly loved his wife Nicole. Are you
  360. 13:37saying that was all fake?
  361. 13:39Yes.
  362. 13:40You don't want people to know that you
  363. 13:42need to control and dominate and abuse
  364. 13:44your wife in order to assure yourself
  365. 13:46that you're the powerful one. You don't
  366. 13:47want people to know those things. I
  367. 13:49mean, he's never even acknowledged that
  368. 13:51he was abusive with his wife. He said
  369. 13:54that they had some normal family
  370. 13:57problems. So, the denial is enormous in
  371. 14:00this man.
  372. 14:02Simpson himself once spoke disarmingly
  373. 14:05about the difficulties he'd faced with
  374. 14:06Nicole.
  375. 14:07But, it was embarrassing. But, because
  376. 14:10our relationship was strong and all our
  377. 14:12friends knew it, and they knew what they
  378. 14:14were reading wasn't uh necessarily the
  379. 14:15truth. Um hey, we just tried to put it
  380. 14:18behind us and ignore it as much as we
  381. 14:20could.
  382. 14:22Nicole's funeral, O.J. was there.
  383. 14:25As the cortege moved sadly on, Nicole's
  384. 14:27mother asked him whether he'd murdered
  385. 14:29Nicole. "No," he answered, "I loved your
  386. 14:31daughter." But, the unbelievable was
  387. 14:34about to happen.
  388. 14:37Detectives and forensic scientists have
  389. 14:39been gathering more evidence, much of it
  390. 14:41from O.J.'s home. Blood stains sent for
  391. 14:43DNA testing returned with ominous
  392. 14:45results.
  393. 14:46Finally, the district attorney was ready
  394. 14:48to prosecute. O.J. being O.J., he was
  395. 14:51invited to submit himself for arrest,
  396. 14:53but he declined and simply did a runner.
  397. 14:56Mr. Simpson
  398. 14:58has not appeared.
  399. 15:03The Los Angeles Police Department right
  400. 15:06now
  401. 15:07is actively searching for Mr. Simpson.
  402. 15:12They wouldn't have to look far. Driven
  403. 15:14by his friend A.C. Cowlings, he was
  404. 15:16heading south on the freeway.
  405. 15:18I'm very confident we're going to find
  406. 15:20O.J. Simpson.
  407. 15:21Because this is a man who can't hide too
  408. 15:24easily.
  409. 15:26Now followed the mandatory but rather
  410. 15:27sedate police chase. A.C. Cowlings even
  411. 15:30called them on his mobile.
  412. 15:31911, what are you reporting?
  413. 15:33This is This is A.C. I have O.J. in the
  414. 15:35car.
  415. 15:36Okay, where are you?
  416. 15:37Please, I'm coming up the five freeway.
  417. 15:40Okay.
  418. 15:40Right now, we all we are okay, but you
  419. 15:42got to tell the police to just back off.
  420. 15:44He's still alive. He's got a gun to his
  421. 15:46head.
  422. 15:47Okay, hold on a minute.
  423. 15:49Okay.
  424. 15:50So, that's all I That's all we ask. He's
  425. 15:52got a gun to his head. All right.
  426. 15:53And And what's What's your name?
  427. 15:54My name is A.C. You know who I am,
  428. 15:56goddammit.
  429. 15:57We couldn't actually see O.J., but we
  430. 15:59seen the guy driving the car. IT WASN'T
  431. 16:01O.J., THOUGH.
  432. 16:02As the sky blackened with helicopters,
  433. 16:04the chase became a procession. Next, a
  434. 16:06friend of O.J.'s solemnly read what
  435. 16:08sounded like his suicide note.
  436. 16:10This letter
  437. 16:12was written by O.J. today.
  438. 16:16To whom it may concern.
  439. 16:21First,
  440. 16:23everyone understand I have nothing to do
  441. 16:27with Nicole's murder.
  442. 16:29I think of my life
  443. 16:32and feel I've done most of the right
  444. 16:35things.
  445. 16:37So, why do I end up like this?
  446. 16:41I can't go on.
  447. 16:43No matter what the outcome,
  448. 16:46people will look and point.
  449. 16:50I can't take that.
  450. 16:51Stay back, everybody.
  451. 16:55I've had a good life.
  452. 16:57I'm proud of how I lived. My mama taught
  453. 17:00me to do unto others.
  454. 17:03I treated people the way I wanted to be
  455. 17:06treated.
  456. 17:07This is a copy of that letter, and it
  457. 17:09does reveal a disturbing and
  458. 17:10manipulative character.
  459. 17:12It's maudlin, egocentric, and filled
  460. 17:14with self-pity. It targets his adoring
  461. 17:17public, yet oddly expresses not a word
  462. 17:19of curiosity about who may have killed
  463. 17:21his ex-wife.
  464. 17:23"Thank you for making my life so
  465. 17:25special.
  466. 17:26Think of me as the real O.J. and not
  467. 17:28this lost person."
  468. 17:30"I have been totally loving and
  469. 17:33understanding of what she's been going
  470. 17:35through.
  471. 17:36At times, I have felt like a battered
  472. 17:39husband or boyfriend."
  473. 17:42He says in his letter, the so-called
  474. 17:45suicide note.
  475. 17:45Which is I knew when it came out was not
  476. 17:48a suicide note because narcissistic,
  477. 17:51abusive, obsessive men do not commit
  478. 17:54suicide.
  479. 17:55He says, "There were times when I felt
  480. 17:57like a battered husband." Why did he say
  481. 17:59that?
  482. 17:59Classic. Abusers always make themselves
  483. 18:03the victims. The villain becomes the
  484. 18:05victim and the victim becomes the
  485. 18:06villain.
  486. 18:07But
  487. 18:09his ability to minimize and deny the
  488. 18:14vicious pummeling, beatings. He would
  489. 18:16kick her, throw her on the floor, kick
  490. 18:19her.
  491. 18:20He would punch her in the face. When the
  492. 18:23police came on that New Year's Day, she
  493. 18:25had choke marks. She had fingerprints on
  494. 18:28her neck from his hand where he had
  495. 18:30tried to choke her. This is what O.J.
  496. 18:32described in that letter as um problems
  497. 18:36that every relationship has.
  498. 18:39You're a doctor of psychology and a
  499. 18:41primary source in this story. Are you
  500. 18:43telling me in no uncertain terms that
  501. 18:45O.J. Simpson is mentally ill?
  502. 18:48Mentally ill in the sense of clinically
  503. 18:51certifiably insane, absolutely not. What
  504. 18:54I'm telling you is that O.J. Simpson
  505. 18:56falls into that category that we call
  506. 18:58character disorders, which means people
  507. 19:01who have a big missing piece inside and
  508. 19:03that big missing piece is conscience,
  509. 19:06compassion,
  510. 19:08empathy for other human beings, the
  511. 19:10ability to understand that behavior has
  512. 19:13consequences and the ability to take
  513. 19:15personal responsibility for what you do
  514. 19:18to another person.
  515. 19:19The word is psychopath.
  516. 19:22You said it, I didn't.
  517. 19:24Yeah, that's the word.
  518. 19:28O.J. eventually gave himself up and was
  519. 19:30driven like a visiting potentate to
  520. 19:32police headquarters, cheered by
  521. 19:34rubberneckers all the way.
  522. 19:36There was some evidence he'd been trying
  523. 19:37to flee from arrest. There was some
  524. 19:39suggesting he just couldn't face
  525. 19:41imprisonment on the run.
  526. 19:48Now his fame and his wealth began to
  527. 19:50work for him.
  528. 19:52Even as he was led away in handcuffs, a
  529. 19:54cavalry of lawyers was saddling up for
  530. 19:56the rescue.
  531. 20:00The biggest names in defense rode into
  532. 20:02town attracted by his fame and possibly
  533. 20:04his $10 million fortune. First, they
  534. 20:06strung up a free phone hotline to
  535. 20:08solicit any evidence on his behalf.
  536. 20:10If you have any information or evidence
  537. 20:12regarding the O.J. Simpson case, press
  538. 20:15two now. If you are an expert in the
  539. 20:17field relating to the O.J. Simpson case
  540. 20:20and would like to offer your services,
  541. 20:22press three now.
  542. 20:24If you have millions of dollars, the
  543. 20:26American legal system really can offer
  544. 20:28better odds of proving your innocence.
  545. 20:30You can buy as Simpson has a dream team
  546. 20:32to defend you, but you can never buy a
  547. 20:34jury.
  548. 20:35Nevertheless, American justice itself is
  549. 20:37on trial in the Simpson case. For as the
  550. 20:39hysteria subsides, the nation will
  551. 20:41eventually demand clear and unequivocal
  552. 20:44evidence that neither the accused's
  553. 20:46money, nor fame, nor image is going to
  554. 20:48lead to the wrong verdict.
  555. 20:50At this time, do you wish to enter a
  556. 20:51plea guilty or not guilty?
  557. 20:54Not guilty.
  558. 20:55O.J. will spend at least $4 million
  559. 20:57fighting to prove his innocence, but
  560. 20:59it's not so much what O.J. Simpson is
  561. 21:01buying as what many fellow black
  562. 21:02suspects can't buy that makes this case
  563. 21:05so controversial.
  564. 21:07What the average black defendant in a
  565. 21:10murder case?
  566. 21:12In a sense, uh
  567. 21:14the whole world is against him right
  568. 21:16from the beginning.
  569. 21:18Uh instead of being like O.J. Simpson in
  570. 21:21in that people don't want to believe
  571. 21:23that he's guilty, everybody wants to
  572. 21:25believe that he's guilty and does
  573. 21:27believe that he's guilty.
  574. 21:29But the most serious thing that affects
  575. 21:30him is that he has uh
  576. 21:33when he's on trial for his life, uh he
  577. 21:36has no uh champion.
  578. 21:38He He doesn't get to uh an adequate
  579. 21:41lawyer to do any of these things uh that
  580. 21:44that have been done for O.J. Simpson,
  581. 21:47not one of them. Um and that's so that
  582. 21:50there's a sense I keep wondering what
  583. 21:52these men in prison think as they watch
  584. 21:55uh the Simpson trial.
  585. 22:04San Quentin Prison, death row for some
  586. 22:07300 convicted murderers, many of them
  587. 22:09black.
  588. 22:13I went to visit three of them, all angry
  589. 22:15that O.J. Simpson has already been
  590. 22:17granted immunity from the death sentence
  591. 22:19if found guilty. Multiple murder is a
  592. 22:22capital offense in California.
  593. 22:26Inside one of the toughest prisons in
  594. 22:28America, they contemplate a justice
  595. 22:30system they believe is hand-tailored for
  596. 22:32the rich.
  597. 22:40Convicted men argue that indifferent
  598. 22:42lawyers, less consultation time, and
  599. 22:45less investigative work make their
  600. 22:47chances so much worse.
  601. 22:48Is this where you have your visits
  602. 22:50normally, Terry?
  603. 22:56To put it at its simplest, if you are
  604. 22:58poor
  605. 23:00and a minority in the United States, you
  606. 23:02just don't get the kind of justice that
  607. 23:04Simpson is getting. Is that what you're
  608. 23:05saying?
  609. 23:06If you're poor period in this country,
  610. 23:08you don't get that type of
  611. 23:09representation.
  612. 23:10Why not? Is it just a shortage of money?
  613. 23:15No, the system
  614. 23:17moves in a certain way and if you can't
  615. 23:20shake that
  616. 23:24way up, if you can't
  617. 23:29the fallacy about being proven
  618. 23:33guilty or being innocent until proven
  619. 23:35guilty, it just doesn't exist. Uh
  620. 23:37there's a basic misconception that where
  621. 23:39there is smoke, there is fire.
  622. 23:42And the average the average, not all,
  623. 23:45but the average 12 jurors in this
  624. 23:46country, if you're sitting in the
  625. 23:48defendant chair, you are guilty.
  626. 23:50Uh money
  627. 23:52can help buy you that assumption of
  628. 23:55innocence. And that's what O.J. has
  629. 23:58going for him.
  630. 24:08Were you surprised when the district
  631. 24:10attorney decided not to ask for the
  632. 24:11death penalty for Simpson?
  633. 24:14I was
  634. 24:15uh
  635. 24:17not surprised
  636. 24:19that he did not ask for it
  637. 24:21in that particular case.
  638. 24:23Why?
  639. 24:24Because uh
  640. 24:26it would have brought to the forefront
  641. 24:28the whole issue of the death penalty in
  642. 24:31those type of cases and people would
  643. 24:33have said, well, you know, O.J. Simpson
  644. 24:37friends in Hollywood places like that,
  645. 24:40these people that are normally used by
  646. 24:41the uh
  647. 24:42state to promote the death penalty, many
  648. 24:44of them would have came out against it
  649. 24:46simply because O.J. Simpson was their
  650. 24:48friend.
  651. 24:57Do you need money to get justice?
  652. 25:03Pointedly, I think yes.
  653. 25:06Seriously.
  654. 25:07There is a two-headed
  655. 25:09sword in the justice in the criminal
  656. 25:11courts
  657. 25:12that I can understand here in
  658. 25:13California. Um
  659. 25:15if you have money
  660. 25:17certain investigative services, um
  661. 25:20certain experts are available to you
  662. 25:22that are not available to you if you
  663. 25:25don't have the funds to pay for them.
  664. 25:27How would it have affected your case?
  665. 25:32I think that um
  666. 25:34the argument um in the areas of the lack
  667. 25:36of evidence that was in my case at the
  668. 25:38time
  669. 25:40it probably would have um ended in a
  670. 25:42much different
  671. 25:45situation. I don't think that I would be
  672. 25:46on death row right now.
  673. 25:48Really?
  674. 25:48Absolutely.
  675. 25:51The truth is the justice system is
  676. 25:53geared to speedy trials for the poor.
  677. 25:55Compromise deals cost less and don't
  678. 25:58drain the system of time and staff.
  679. 26:00That's why the rich benefit. What would
  680. 26:02happen if every accused were able to do
  681. 26:04what O.J. Simpson has done?
  682. 26:06The system would totally collapse. Uh
  683. 26:08the rights are there, but if everybody
  684. 26:11could
  685. 26:12could uh take advantage of them, that we
  686. 26:14don't have enough judges, enough
  687. 26:16courthouses, enough jails, enough police
  688. 26:19uh
  689. 26:20to uh to do that.
  690. 26:22As to Detective Fuhrman, uh three issues
  691. 26:25are raised. First of all, evidence of
  692. 26:27racial animosity.
  693. 26:29This is Detective Fuhrman. Someone on
  694. 26:31Simpson's defense team has leaked a
  695. 26:33smear that the detective is a racist, so
  696. 26:35biased that he might have set O.J.
  697. 26:37Simpson up. It's a dirty trick even by
  698. 26:39Californian standards.
  699. 26:43It was Fuhrman who found the
  700. 26:44incriminating blood stained glove.
  701. 26:46Nothing would serve Simpson's defense
  702. 26:48team better than to have the honesty and
  703. 26:50credibility of this key witness
  704. 26:52impugned.
  705. 26:53Now, the case of Detective Fuhrman is
  706. 26:55one example of a potentially dirty trick
  707. 26:57at work, for there is a subtext to this
  708. 26:59case. Everyone knows what it is, but
  709. 27:01says little about it in public. It's
  710. 27:03race.
  711. 27:04O.J. Simpson is a black man who made it
  712. 27:06in a white man's world. That image,
  713. 27:08unthreatening, a genuinely nice guy,
  714. 27:11affable, a corporate American you would
  715. 27:13rent a car from, broke the stereotype
  716. 27:15mold.
  717. 27:16He married a white woman. That's still a
  718. 27:18sensitive matter here. Now, it's alleged
  719. 27:20he killed her in a rage. The subtext for
  720. 27:22the racists in Southern California is
  721. 27:25obvious enough.
  722. 27:27This is a cafe in South Central, the
  723. 27:29black area of a city becoming the focus
  724. 27:31for racial tensions in America. The
  725. 27:33lines already being drawn over the O.J.
  726. 27:36Simpson case.
  727. 27:38Don't you understand where you are? This
  728. 27:40is an area where
  729. 27:42white people feel that they are losing
  730. 27:44ground.
  731. 27:45In the next decade, they will be a
  732. 27:47minority in the entire state of
  733. 27:49California. point, they are a minority
  734. 27:52in terms of numbers in the city of Los
  735. 27:54Angeles.
  736. 27:55Okay? They are afraid of people of color
  737. 27:58because of the decades and and and and
  738. 28:00centuries of uh
  739. 28:03uh
  740. 28:04sitting back unapologetically
  741. 28:06uh treating people of color the way they
  742. 28:08have.
  743. 28:10There are malign forces on all sides.
  744. 28:15In a car park, I met two private
  745. 28:17detectives who claimed to be working for
  746. 28:19the friends of Nicole Simpson, but whose
  747. 28:21real job seems to be to spread
  748. 28:23malevolent gossip, often with racial
  749. 28:25connotations, about O.J. Simpson to the
  750. 28:27press.
  751. 28:28In a nation closely tuned into any
  752. 28:30information about the case, men like
  753. 28:32this often find an audience.
  754. 28:34One of them is armed with smears.
  755. 28:37What have you learned about O.J. Simpson
  756. 28:40which you think you want to pass on to
  757. 28:42uh
  758. 28:42reporters like me?
  759. 28:43Well, I've learned that he uh he's not
  760. 28:46the Mr. Goody Two-Shoes uh you know,
  761. 28:48all-American hero athlete that he's
  762. 28:50perceived to be.
  763. 28:52The second detective is camera shy and
  764. 28:54hides in the back of the car. Both
  765. 28:56investigators are anxious to give
  766. 28:57answers that reflect badly on O.J., but
  767. 29:00they become more evasive about questions
  768. 29:02concerning the people who've hired them.
  769. 29:04Where does the money come from?
  770. 29:07How do you mean? Well, two of the people
  771. 29:09are just I would characterize them as
  772. 29:11independently wealthy, old money in this
  773. 29:14city, Los Angeles.
  774. 29:15And just explain to me what old money
  775. 29:17means.
  776. 29:18Old money being established, passed down
  777. 29:21generation to generation, having having
  778. 29:23been in the city a long time, their
  779. 29:25parents in in established large
  780. 29:28business ventures in this city.
  781. 29:30Old white money.
  782. 29:31Right, more or less, yeah.
  783. 29:33But what are the motives of the people
  784. 29:36who you won't name, who are sponsoring
  785. 29:38you? What is it that they want?
  786. 29:39Well, in the words of at least one, the
  787. 29:42way I remember the initial meeting was
  788. 29:44they want to see to make sure he was
  789. 29:45convicted in the words of one, see him
  790. 29:47fry.
  791. 29:48In a country where poverty, crime, and
  792. 29:50race remain inextricably linked in the
  793. 29:52ultra-conservative mind, comments like
  794. 29:55that identify these men's paymasters
  795. 29:57more clearly.
  796. 29:58You said rather enigmatically at the
  797. 29:59beginning of the interview that that
  798. 30:01some of the money was was coming from a
  799. 30:03political source and that it was old
  800. 30:05white money.
  801. 30:06Is that a kind of subtext for for racist
  802. 30:09money?
  803. 30:11No, not at all.
  804. 30:12Do you think it could be?
  805. 30:13No. In fact, I would characterize these
  806. 30:15people as liberals.
  807. 30:16It's not a liberal sentiment to say I
  808. 30:18hope he fries, is it?
  809. 30:19Right. Right. I think they're just so
  810. 30:21fed up with the crime in Los Angeles and
  811. 30:24the and the constant what the way they
  812. 30:25put it, the black eye for this city. And
  813. 30:27they haven't they didn't just move into
  814. 30:29town to get into show business. They've
  815. 30:30been here a long time. They've seen it
  816. 30:32change. They don't like it.
  817. 30:34Why for all of these very legitimate
  818. 30:35issues
  819. 30:37is the lightning rod persona an
  820. 30:39African-American man? Why does why does
  821. 30:41the focus only come when you have these
  822. 30:44scandals or when you have these
  823. 30:45tragedies?
  824. 30:46And I think the African-American
  825. 30:48community
  826. 30:49uh is starting to resent the atten- the
  827. 30:51negative attention and the unfair
  828. 30:53attention. Crime is has a black face.
  829. 31:01Secure in the embrace of their church
  830. 31:03and their history, many blacks still
  831. 31:04turn inwards for comfort. O.J.'s
  832. 31:07uniqueness was that he faced out and for
  833. 31:09most whites came to represent the
  834. 31:11acceptable face of black America,
  835. 31:13subdued, unthreatening, racially
  836. 31:15neutral.
  837. 31:19By living in the white man's world,
  838. 31:24His fame and wealth certainly protected
  839. 31:25him from some of the harsher realities
  840. 31:27of his crossover life.
  841. 31:29But leading members of the black
  842. 31:31community identify acute sensitivity
  843. 31:33about some of the racial dimensions of
  844. 31:35the Simpson case.
  845. 31:38On a racial
  846. 31:39basis, it will bring to the front
  847. 31:42one of the last taboos
  848. 31:45in the discussion of race, black man,
  849. 31:48white woman. It will bring that to the
  850. 31:50front.
  851. 31:51What is the subtext on the interracial
  852. 31:53marriage issue?
  853. 31:55That's a minefield.
  854. 31:57Uh the interracial marriage between an
  855. 31:59African-American man and a white woman
  856. 32:01in a in a society that used to be based
  857. 32:03on complete separation of the races in a
  858. 32:05society that stems from slavery of
  859. 32:07African-Americans, you have to
  860. 32:08understand how central it was to keep
  861. 32:10them separate. So, you're talking about
  862. 32:12the most central taboo in American
  863. 32:15culture is for an African-American man
  864. 32:17to marry a white woman.
  865. 32:19But will these undercurrents divert the
  866. 32:21true course of the justice that Simpson
  867. 32:23seeks and America deserves, or can
  868. 32:26prejudice and bigotry be cooled by the
  869. 32:28impartiality without which there is no
  870. 32:30justice in a democracy?
  871. 32:33Can
  872. 32:34a black jury member be impartial in this
  873. 32:36case?
  874. 32:37No.
  875. 32:40No black and a white man.
  876. 32:43Without a great deal of
  877. 32:47moral
  878. 32:49wherewithal.
  879. 32:51A majority of whites have already
  880. 32:52prejudged O.J. Simpson guilty. A
  881. 32:54majority of blacks are still thinking
  882. 32:56that he's innocent.
  883. 32:57Even very sophisticated people say, "All
  884. 33:00you have to do is put a couple of blacks
  885. 33:02on the jury and you're going to get a
  886. 33:03hung jury." It's much more complicated
  887. 33:06than that. I mean, anybody who thinks
  888. 33:08that, I think, is degrading the system.
  889. 33:12You you get these people, you think you
  890. 33:14know what they think, but when they get
  891. 33:16together and they
  892. 33:19exchange views,
  893. 33:21it's
  894. 33:23something that it's it's mystical
  895. 33:26and and it works most of the time.
  896. 33:29Justice will be done in this case. Will
  897. 33:33it be complete with justice?
  898. 33:36I can't really answer that. A lot of
  899. 33:39times
  900. 33:42people make decisions
  901. 33:45that they feel they can go home and sit
  902. 33:47comfortably
  903. 33:49and be able to defend.
  904. 33:50But if you don't believe that a juryman
  905. 33:53can be impartial on the matter of race
  906. 33:55alone, neither black nor white, how can
  907. 33:57justice be done?
  908. 33:59Welcome to Southern California.
  909. 34:01Good morning it's K-Rock 106.7 KROQ
  910. 34:047:56.
  911. 34:05The skeletal thoughts of the media
  912. 34:07invaders besieged Los Angeles
  913. 34:09courthouse.
  914. 34:13Journalists jostle with entertainers to
  915. 34:15scratch the nation's insatiable O.J.
  916. 34:17itch. Some despair at what they witness.
  917. 34:21Television itself has expanded to the
  918. 34:23point that there are so many options for
  919. 34:25viewers that the people operating
  920. 34:28elements of television are enormously
  921. 34:30fearful that if you don't give them
  922. 34:32something very catchy and exciting right
  923. 34:33away, somebody will turn to another
  924. 34:36channel.
  925. 34:36You talk about them. Sorry to interrupt.
  926. 34:37You talk about competition. I mean, just
  927. 34:39turn around, look at it. We've got CNN
  928. 34:40live, right? We've got Channel 4 live,
  929. 34:43that's NBC. Channel 2 live is CBS.
  930. 34:46And if I had three more monitors, you
  931. 34:47could
  932. 34:47at the top.
  933. 34:48three more monitors, you could see uh
  934. 34:50some other stations also covering it.
  935. 34:52All running the same picture.
  936. 34:53story. It's a What What's available on
  937. 34:55one screen is available on the other
  938. 34:56screen. And they're all enormously
  939. 34:58fearful that if
  940. 35:01they should be the first one to withdraw
  941. 35:03from the story, that somehow uh
  942. 35:06it'll it'll it'll taint them forever.
  943. 35:13It's very noisy out here, but the jury
  944. 35:15selection has begun in the O.J. Simpson
  945. 35:17But there is a logic behind this
  946. 35:18coverage. The demand is real, and no one
  947. 35:20should underestimate the public
  948. 35:22appetite, even if media dignity is the
  949. 35:25first casualty.
  950. 35:27O.J. Simpson button.
  951. 35:29O.J. Simpson button.
  952. 35:31How much you charging for them?
  953. 35:33$1.
  954. 35:33$1?
  955. 35:34$1.
  956. 35:34For one of those buttons?
  957. 35:35That's right.
  958. 35:36How much profit do you make from that?
  959. 35:39How much profit I make? 60 cents a
  960. 35:40button.
  961. 35:41Right.
  962. 35:41Yeah.
  963. 35:42Why do people buy them?
  964. 35:43Look,
  965. 35:44if you turn off the television, I'll
  966. 35:46tell them why.
  967. 35:47Okay. Why?
  968. 35:48They're crazy.
  969. 35:49They're crazy.
  970. 35:51You think people are crazy to buy the
  971. 35:53buttons? Do you think you're crazy to
  972. 35:54sell them?
  973. 35:55No. I'm here for one reason.
  974. 35:58This. Okay? I I did World Cup. I've done
  975. 36:02this. I was
  976. 36:03I was ready to do the Pope is coming. I
  977. 36:05do only big events.
  978. 36:07For weeks, crews have been constructing
  979. 36:09the scaffolding and high-rise camera
  980. 36:11O.J. Simpson's image has long outlasted
  981. 36:13his sporting talent. He became famous
  982. 36:15for being famous. Now he's become
  983. 36:17notorious.
  984. 36:18in recent history.
  985. 36:20They call it the O.J. media feeding
  986. 36:22frenzy, and there are certainly scenes
  987. 36:23here that you wouldn't see outside the
  988. 36:25Old Bailey. But things are not quite
  989. 36:27what they seem. Behind the circus and
  990. 36:29the carnival, behind the commerce and
  991. 36:30the nonsense, something profound is
  992. 36:33happening. America is talking to itself
  993. 36:35in one of those periodic bursts of
  994. 36:37self-examination
  995. 36:39when almost by accident it takes a great
  996. 36:41criminal trial to draw out the defining
  997. 36:44issues of the moment.
  998. 36:46Ironically, the nation has been
  999. 36:48galvanized into displaying the flags of
  1000. 36:50endless controversy by the O.J. Simpson
  1001. 36:52trial. It is a testament to the power of
  1002. 36:55celebrity.
  1003. 36:57Will his fame help or hinder him?
  1004. 37:01I think it's going to help him.
  1005. 37:04Will his color help or hinder him?
  1006. 37:08Probably hinder him.
  1007. 37:09And his wealth?
  1008. 37:13Depends on the juror. That cuts both
  1009. 37:14ways. There's resentment against wealth
  1010. 37:16as well, but there's also a
  1011. 37:17romanticization of people who have money
  1012. 37:19and who've made it. It could cut either
  1013. 37:21way.
  1014. 37:22Do you think he did it?
  1015. 37:23I have no opinion about that.
  1016. 37:25Do you think he did it?
  1017. 37:27My own personal view is uh that he is as
  1018. 37:30guilty as homemade sin.
  1019. 37:32Do you think he did it?
  1020. 37:33Yes, I do.
  1021. 37:35Do you think he did it?
  1022. 37:37Why?
  1023. 37:38Based on the evidence I've seen now, no.
  1024. 37:41I want to hold
  1025. 37:45until the last shred of evidence is in.
  1026. 37:48I want to believe him innocent.
  1027. 37:52The preliminary evidence weighs heavily
  1028. 37:55towards guilty.
  1029. 37:58Innocent or guilty, the man inside this
  1030. 38:00prison has touched all the hot buttons
  1031. 38:02on the American agenda.
  1032. 38:04But sadly, the nation has already
  1033. 38:06forgotten that murder is also a simple
  1034. 38:08and profound tragedy. The lives of two
  1035. 38:11innocents brutally and pointlessly
  1036. 38:13extinguished. In this there is only one
  1037. 38:15certainty, and that is the unquenchable
  1038. 38:18loss of personal bereavement.
  1039. 38:20I love my son dearly.
  1040. 38:24And we're going to miss him a lot.
  1041. 38:26And we'll And we'll miss him.
  1042. 38:32Okay.
  1043. 38:33Thank you.
  1044. 38:58in
  1045. 38:58American culture is for an
  1046. 39:00African-American man to marry a white
  1047. 39:02woman.
  1048. 39:03But will these undercurrents divert the
  1049. 39:05true course of the justice that Simpson
  1050. 39:07seeks and America deserves? Or can
  1051. 39:10prejudice and bigotry be cooled by the
  1052. 39:12impartiality without which there is no
  1053. 39:14justice in a democracy?
  1054. 39:17Can
  1055. 39:18a black jury member be impartial in this
  1056. 39:20case?
  1057. 39:21No.
  1058. 39:24Nor can a white man.
  1059. 39:27Without a great deal of
  1060. 39:31moral
  1061. 39:33wherewithal.
  1062. 39:35A majority of whites have already
  1063. 39:36prejudged O.J. Simpson guilty. A
  1064. 39:38majority of blacks are still thinking
  1065. 39:40that he's innocent.
  1066. 39:41Even very sophisticated people say, "All
  1067. 39:44you have to do is put a couple of blacks
  1068. 39:46on the jury and you're going to get a
  1069. 39:47hung jury." It's much more complicated
  1070. 39:50than that. I mean, anybody who thinks
  1071. 39:52that, I think, is degrading the system.
  1072. 39:55Uh it You you get these people, you
  1073. 39:58think you know what they think, but when
  1074. 40:00they get together and they uh exchange
  1075. 40:03views,
  1076. 40:05uh
  1077. 40:06um it it it's something that it's mis-
  1078. 40:08it's mystical.
  1079. 40:09Um and and it works most of the time.
  1080. 40:13Uh justice will be done in this case.
  1081. 40:17Uh will it be complete and wholesome
  1082. 40:19justice?
  1083. 40:20I can't really answer that.
  1084. 40:22A lot of times
  1085. 40:26people make decisions
  1086. 40:29that they feel they can go home and sit
  1087. 40:31comfortably
  1088. 40:33and be able to defend.
  1089. 40:34But if you don't believe that a juror
  1090. 40:36man can be impartial on the matter of
  1091. 40:39race alone, neither black nor white, how
  1092. 40:41can justice be done?
  1093. 40:43Welcome to Southern California.
  1094. 40:45The world famous K-Rock 106.7 KROQ 756
  1095. 40:48Kevin and Bean here.
  1096. 40:49The skeletal thoughts of the media
  1097. 40:51invaders besieged Los Angeles
  1098. 40:53courthouse.
  1099. 40:54That's as grueling a work as being a
  1100. 40:55juror, isn't it?
  1101. 40:55Almost.
  1102. 40:57Journalists jostle with entertainers to
  1103. 40:59scratch the nation's insatiable OJ itch.
  1104. 41:02Some despair at what they witness.
  1105. 41:05Television itself has expanded to the
  1106. 41:07point that there's so many options for
  1107. 41:09viewers that the people operating
  1108. 41:12elements of television are enormously
  1109. 41:14fearful that if you don't give them
  1110. 41:16something very catchy and exciting right
  1111. 41:17away, somebody will turn to another
  1112. 41:19channel.
  1113. 41:20You talk about I'm sorry to interrupt.
  1114. 41:21You talk about competition. I mean just
  1115. 41:23turn around, look at it. We've got CNN
  1116. 41:24live, right? We've got Channel 4 live,
  1117. 41:27that's NBC.
  1118. 41:28Channel 2 live is CBS.
  1119. 41:30And if I had three more monitors you
  1120. 41:31at the top.
  1121. 41:32had three more monitors you could see uh
  1122. 41:34some other stations also covering
  1123. 41:36All running the same picture.
  1124. 41:36The same story. It's a What What's
  1125. 41:38available on one screen is available on
  1126. 41:40the other screen and they're all
  1127. 41:42enormously fearful that if
  1128. 41:45they should be the first one to withdraw
  1129. 41:47from the story that somehow
  1130. 41:50it'll it'll it'll taint them forever.
  1131. 41:57It's very nice.
  1132. 41:58Closed to anyone without real money or
  1133. 41:59fame, no problem in Brentwood. But some
  1134. 42:02traditions die hard and OJ Simpson was a
  1135. 42:05black man who didn't work as a caddy on
  1136. 42:07the greens.
  1137. 42:11And these are the streets and coffee
  1138. 42:12houses of Brentwood where hanging out
  1139. 42:14and looking fabulous are full-time
  1140. 42:16occupations for most of the rich young
  1141. 42:18film star and sporting wannabes. For
  1142. 42:21O.J., all this was a million miles from
  1143. 42:23home, yet just 1 hour's flight away.
  1144. 42:28The number 32 jersey still covers the
  1145. 42:29most famous son of the Potrero Hills
  1146. 42:31district here in San Francisco, where
  1147. 42:34O.J. Simpson was born. But this is the
  1148. 42:36other side of the tracks. Indeed, it's a
  1149. 42:37whole world away from Brentwood and
  1150. 42:39Hollywood. This is the very humble place
  1151. 42:41of his youth.
  1152. 42:44He was born in one of these slum
  1153. 42:46dwellings that still cling to a
  1154. 42:47hillside. The poverty endures and each
  1155. 42:50generation faces the same uphill
  1156. 42:52struggle. His father deserted him, his
  1157. 42:55stern mother took charge. Today, the
  1158. 42:57Juice, as he's called, is the one
  1159. 42:59shining light on the narrow path out of
  1160. 43:01this trap.
  1161. 43:02We're from BBC Television. How are you?
  1162. 43:05British Broadcasting. Hi. Thanks very
  1163. 43:07much for asking us to come.
  1164. 43:12What did he mean? What did O.J. What
  1165. 43:15does O.J. mean to the Potrero community
  1166. 43:17here?
  1167. 43:18O.J. O.J. meant quite a bit to us.
  1168. 43:21To be perfectly honest, because he was a
  1169. 43:23he he showed us that coming from our
  1170. 43:26area that you can rise above
  1171. 43:29you can rise above your circumstances,
  1172. 43:31be how meager they are. You see?
  1173. 43:34And O.J. was like a role model, man.
  1174. 43:36Everybody was proud of Juice.
  1175. 43:40O.J. could see for himself how
  1176. 43:42tantalizingly close he always was to the
  1177. 43:44better life that hung like a backdrop on
  1178. 43:47the other side of the slum hill of
  1179. 43:48Potrero.
  1180. 43:52He worked out at the recreation center,
  1181. 43:53which sits in no-man's land.
  1182. 43:58And his face remains an inspirational
  1183. 44:00come on, emblematically encouraging the
  1184. 44:02young hopefuls who leave their homes, as
  1185. 44:04he did, for a few hours a day to earn
  1186. 44:07their passport to freedom.
  1187. 44:11This is how and where O.J. trained
  1188. 44:13himself to become the fastest man of his
  1189. 44:15sport. It took strength to play his way
  1190. 44:18out of Potrero, but what was the real
  1191. 44:20cost of that achievement?
  1192. 44:23Calvin Tennison was a close childhood
  1193. 44:25friend. We met in the center's playing
  1194. 44:27field.
  1195. 44:28Being a black man,
  1196. 44:31you have to be black till you hit the
  1197. 44:33the dirt, until you're dead. I mean,
  1198. 44:35there's no time in your life when you're
  1199. 44:37not going to look in the mirror and be
  1200. 44:39black. And I feel that with all the
  1201. 44:43money, the fame, the camera, the lights,
  1202. 44:46the action, at some point in his life,
  1203. 44:49in the early '80s, around the time he
  1204. 44:51met Nicole, he looked in the mirror and
  1205. 44:53he didn't see a black man anymore. He
  1206. 44:55seen a neutral man or
  1207. 45:18The crime itself was only too simple. On
  1208. 45:21the night of June the 12th, someone
  1209. 45:22called here at Nicole Simpson's house on
  1210. 45:25South Bundy in the posh Los Angeles
  1211. 45:26suburb of Brentwood.
  1212. 45:29When she came to the garden gate, and as
  1213. 45:31the cars drove by, she was noiselessly
  1214. 45:34slashed to death in the shadows.
  1215. 45:37At about the same time, Nicole's friend
  1216. 45:38Ronald Goldman came to see her. The same
  1217. 45:41killer then overpowered and knifed him
  1218. 45:43to death, too.
  1219. 45:45Even in a city that lives by excess,
  1220. 45:47this was an awful crime.
  1221. 45:55In the morning, detectives began
  1222. 45:57investigating the nightmare on South
  1223. 45:58Bundy. Nicole's throat had been cut.
  1224. 46:01Goldman had been slashed in a maniacal
  1225. 46:03frenzy. There was no apparent motive.
  1226. 46:05Suspicion soon fell on Nicole's
  1227. 46:07ex-husband, but O.J. Simpson was both
  1228. 46:09the most and least likely man to have
  1229. 46:11committed the murders.
  1230. 46:14Why did Hertz invent number one club
  1231. 46:16gold service?
  1232. 46:17Having run into America's consciousness
  1233. 46:19as a superb black athlete, O.J. Simpson
  1234. 46:22next transcended color through the
  1235. 46:24marketplace with these groundbreaking
  1236. 46:25commercials.
  1237. 46:27Yeah, it's a good feeling. I always
  1238. 46:28wanted to play with this guy and now
  1239. 46:30on a team that is a pretty exclusive
  1240. 46:31He consolidated his favorite uncle image
  1241. 46:34as a sports commentator, helping middle
  1242. 46:36America convince itself it was
  1243. 46:37colorblind.
  1244. 46:39Yeah, well, we got a great team that
  1245. 46:40we've just joined in this Hall of Fame.
  1246. 46:42This is as close as most Americans will
  1247. 46:44come to having some member of their
  1248. 46:47family on trial.
  1249. 46:48What we see on the surface is never the
  1250. 46:52real person. And if there is one thing
  1251. 46:54that I hope people will take out of this
  1252. 46:57tragedy,
  1253. 46:58it is to be very careful about thinking
  1254. 47:01that we know somebody from their public
  1255. 47:03persona, because we don't.
  1256. 47:08The image required an appropriate
  1257. 47:09lifestyle and this is one of his three
  1258. 47:11homes. $5 million worth of mock Tudor
  1259. 47:14mansion, pool and tennis courts in
  1260. 47:16Brentwood. He told police he was asleep
  1261. 47:18here during the murders.
  1262. 47:21This is the exclusive golf course he
  1263. 47:22played on.
  1264. 47:24Closed to anyone without real money or
  1265. 47:25fame. No problem in Brentwood, but some
  1266. 47:28traditions die hard. And O.J. Simpson
  1267. 47:31was a black man who didn't work as a
  1268. 47:32caddy on the greens.
  1269. 47:37And these are the streets and coffee
  1270. 47:38houses of Brentwood where hanging out
  1271. 47:40and looking fabulous are full-time
  1272. 47:42occupations for most of the rich young
  1273. 47:44film star and sporting wannabes. For
  1274. 47:47O.J., all this was a million miles from
  1275. 47:49home, yet just one hour's flight away.
  1276. 47:54The number 32 jersey still covers the
  1277. 47:55most famous son of the Potrero Hill
  1278. 47:57district tours and each generation faces
  1279. 48:00the same uphill struggle. His father
  1280. 48:02deserted him, his stern mother took
  1281. 48:04charge. Today, the juices he's called is
  1282. 48:07the one shining light on the narrow path
  1283. 48:09out of this trap.
  1284. 48:10We're from BBC Television. How are you?
  1285. 48:13British Broadcasting. Hi, thanks very
  1286. 48:15much for asking us to come.
  1287. 48:20What did he mean? What did OJ What does
  1288. 48:23OJ mean to the Potrero community here?
  1289. 48:26OJ OJ meant quite a bit to us.
  1290. 48:29To be perfectly honest, because he was a
  1291. 48:31he he showed us that coming from our
  1292. 48:34area that you can rise above
  1293. 48:37you can rise above your circumstances,
  1294. 48:39be how meager they are.
  1295. 48:41You see?
  1296. 48:42And OJ was like a role model, man.
  1297. 48:44Everybody was proud of Juice.
  1298. 48:48OJ could see for himself how
  1299. 48:50tantalizingly close he always was to the
  1300. 48:52better life that hung like a backdrop on
  1301. 48:55the other side of the slum hill of
  1302. 48:56Potrero.
  1303. 49:00He worked out at the recreation center,
  1304. 49:01which sits in no-man's land.
  1305. 49:06And his face remains an inspirational
  1306. 49:08come-on, emblematically encouraging the
  1307. 49:10young hopefuls who leave their homes as
  1308. 49:13he did for a few hours a day to earn
  1309. 49:15their passport to freedom.
  1310. 49:19This is how and where OJ trained himself
  1311. 49:22to become the fastest man of his sport.
  1312. 49:24It took strength to play his way out of
  1313. 49:26Potrero, but what was the real cost of
  1314. 49:28that achievement?
  1315. 49:31Calvin Tennison was a close childhood
  1316. 49:33friend. We met in the center's playing
  1317. 49:35field.
  1318. 49:36Being a black man,
  1319. 49:39you have to be black till you hit the
  1320. 49:41the dirt, until you're dead. I mean,
  1321. 49:43there's no time in your life when you're
  1322. 49:45not going to look in the mirror and be
  1323. 49:47black. And I feel that with all the
  1324. 49:51money, the fame, the camera, the lights,
  1325. 49:54the action, at some point in his life in
  1326. 49:57the early '80s, around the time he met
  1327. 49:59Nicole, he looked in the mirror and he
  1328. 50:01didn't see a black man anymore. He seen
  1329. 50:03a neutral man or another kind of man
  1330. 50:07that could fit in with the the white
  1331. 50:10society in in Hollywood without any
  1332. 50:13problem. He felt comfortable with that.
  1333. 50:15Maybe he became uncomfortable with being
  1334. 50:18black.
  1335. 50:19He said love me for O.J. for what I am
  1336. 50:23and not for my image. But what you're
  1337. 50:24saying is that the image was crucial to
  1338. 50:26his existence.
  1339. 50:27Yeah, he had to have that image and the
  1340. 50:29O.J. that he wanted you to love, I don't
  1341. 50:32think it even exist no more. I think he
  1342. 50:34left the real O.J. right here in in
  1343. 50:37Patrol Hill.
  1344. 50:45That was the world he left behind when
  1345. 50:46his extraordinary sporting triumphs
  1346. 50:48eventually elevated him here to Los
  1347. 50:50Angeles in the suburb of Brentwood. He
  1348. 50:53married Nicole, his second wife in 1985
  1349. 50:55and they divorced two years ago.
  1350. 50:58Fuhrman, someone on Simpson's defense
  1351. 51:00team has leaked a smear that the
  1352. 51:01detective is a racist, so biased that he
  1353. 51:04might have set O.J. Simpson up. It's a
  1354. 51:06dirty trick even by Californian
  1355. 51:08standards.
  1356. 51:11It was Fuhrman who found the
  1357. 51:12incriminating blood stained glove.
  1358. 51:14Nothing would serve Simpson's defense
  1359. 51:16team better than to have the honesty and
  1360. 51:18credibility of this key witness
  1361. 51:20impugned.
  1362. 51:21Now, the case of Detective Fuhrman is
  1363. 51:23one example of a potentially dirty trick
  1364. 51:25at work, for there is a subtext to this
  1365. 51:27case. Everyone knows what it is but says
  1366. 51:29little about it in public. It's race.
  1367. 51:32O.J. Simpson is a black man who made it
  1368. 51:34in a white man's world. That image,
  1369. 51:36unthreatening, a genuinely nice guy,
  1370. 51:39affable or corporate American you would
  1371. 51:41rent a car from, broke the stereotype
  1372. 51:43mold.
  1373. 51:44He married a white woman. That's still a
  1374. 51:46sensitive matter here. Now it's alleged
  1375. 51:48he killed her in a rage. The subtext for
  1376. 51:50the racists in Southern California is
  1377. 51:53obvious enough.
  1378. 51:55This is a cafe in South Central, the
  1379. 51:57black area of a city becoming the focus
  1380. 51:59for racial tensions in America. The
  1381. 52:01lines already being drawn over the O.J.
  1382. 52:04Simpson case.
  1383. 52:06I want you to understand where you are.
  1384. 52:08This is an area where white people feel
  1385. 52:11that they are losing ground.
  1386. 52:13In the next decade, they will be a
  1387. 52:15minority in the entire state of
  1388. 52:17California. They are a minority in terms
  1389. 52:20of numbers in the city of Los Angeles.
  1390. 52:23Okay? They are afraid of people of color
  1391. 52:26because of the decades and and and
  1392. 52:28centuries of uh
  1393. 52:32sitting back unapologetically
  1394. 52:34uh treating people of color the way they
  1395. 52:36have.
  1396. 52:38There are malign forces on all sides.
  1397. 52:43In a car park, I met two private
  1398. 52:45detectives who claim to be working for
  1399. 52:47the friends of Nicole Simpson, but whose
  1400. 52:49real job seems to be to spread
  1401. 52:51malevolent gossip, often with racial
  1402. 52:53connotations, about O.J. Simpson to the
  1403. 52:55press.
  1404. 52:56In a nation closely tuned into any
  1405. 52:58information about the case, men like
  1406. 53:00this often find an audience.
  1407. 53:02One of them is armed with smears.
  1408. 53:05What have you learned about O.J. Simpson
  1409. 53:08which you think you want to pass on to
  1410. 53:10uh
  1411. 53:10reporters like me?
  1412. 53:11Well, I've learned that he uh he's not
  1413. 53:14the Mr. Goody Two Shoes uh you know,
  1414. 53:16all-American hero athlete that he's
  1415. 53:18perceived to be.
  1416. 53:20The second detective is camera-shy and
  1417. 53:22hides in the back of the car. Both
  1418. 53:24investigators are anxious to give
  1419. 53:25answers that reflect badly on O.J., but
  1420. 53:28they become more evasive about questions
  1421. 53:30concerning the people who've hired them.
  1422. 53:32Where does the money come from?
  1423. 53:35How do you mean? Well, two of the people
  1424. 53:37are just I would characterize them as
  1425. 53:39independently wealthy, old money in this
  1426. 53:42city, Los Angeles.
  1427. 53:43And just explain to me what old money
  1428. 53:45means.
  1429. 53:46Old money being established, passed down
  1430. 53:49generation to generation, having having
  1431. 53:51been in the city a long time. Their
  1432. 53:53parents in in established large
  1433. 53:56business ventures in this
  1434. 53:59They wouldn't have to look far. Driven
  1435. 54:01by his friend A.C. Cowlings, he was
  1436. 54:03heading south on the freeway.
  1437. 54:05I'm very confident we're going to find
  1438. 54:07O.J. Simpson.
  1439. 54:08Because this is a man who can't hide too
  1440. 54:11easily.
  1441. 54:13Now followed the mandatory but rather
  1442. 54:14sedate police chase. A.C. Cowlings even
  1443. 54:17called them on his mobile.
  1444. 54:18911, what are you reporting?
  1445. 54:20This is This is A.C. I have O.J. in the
  1446. 54:22car.
  1447. 54:23Okay, where are you?
  1448. 54:24Please, I'm coming up the 5 freeway.
  1449. 54:27Okay.
  1450. 54:27Right now we all we are okay, but you
  1451. 54:29got to tell the police to just back off.
  1452. 54:31He's still alive, but he's got a gun to
  1453. 54:33his head.
  1454. 54:34Okay, hold on a minute.
  1455. 54:36Okay.
  1456. 54:37Well, that's all I That's all we have.
  1457. 54:39He's got a gun to his
  1458. 54:40Okay, and what's what's your name?
  1459. 54:42My name is A.C. You know who I am,
  1460. 54:43goddammit.
  1461. 54:44We couldn't actually see O.J., but we
  1462. 54:46seen a guy driving the Bronco. It wasn't
  1463. 54:48O.J., though.
  1464. 54:49As the sky blackened with helicopters,
  1465. 54:51the chase became a procession. Next, a
  1466. 54:53friend of O.J.'s solemnly read what
  1467. 54:55sounded like his suicide note.
  1468. 54:57This letter
  1469. 54:59was written by O.J. today.
  1470. 55:03To whom it may concern.
  1471. 55:08First,
  1472. 55:10everyone understand I have nothing to do
  1473. 55:14with Nicole's murder.
  1474. 55:16I think of my life
  1475. 55:19and feel I've done most of the right
  1476. 55:22things.
  1477. 55:24So, why do I end up like this?
  1478. 55:28I can't go on.
  1479. 55:31No matter what the outcome,
  1480. 55:33people will look and point.
  1481. 55:37I can't take that.
  1482. 55:38Stay back, everybody.
  1483. 55:42I've had a good life.
  1484. 55:44I'm proud of how I lived. My mama taught
  1485. 55:47me to do unto others.
  1486. 55:50I treated people the way I wanted to be
  1487. 55:53treated.
  1488. 55:54This is a copy of that letter, and it
  1489. 55:56does reveal a disturbing and
  1490. 55:58manipulative character.
  1491. 55:59It's maudlin, egocentric, and filled
  1492. 56:01with self-pity. It targets his adoring
  1493. 56:04public, yet oddly expresses not a word
  1494. 56:06of curiosity about who may have killed
  1495. 56:08his ex-wife.
  1496. 56:10Thank you for making my life so special.
  1497. 56:13Think of me as the real O.J. and not
  1498. 56:15this lost person.
  1499. 56:17I have been totally loving and
  1500. 56:20understanding of what she's been going
  1501. 56:22through.
  1502. 56:24At times, I have felt like a battered
  1503. 56:26husband or boyfriend.
  1504. 56:30He says in his letter, the so-called
  1505. 56:31suicide note
  1506. 56:32Which is I knew when it came out was not
  1507. 56:35a suicide note because narcissistic,
  1508. 56:38abusive, obsessive men do not commit
  1509. 56:41suicide.
  1510. 56:42He says there were times when I felt
  1511. 56:44like a battered husband. Why did he say
  1512. 56:46that?
  1513. 56:47Abusers always make themselves the
  1514. 56:50victims. The villain becomes the victim,
  1515. 56:52and the victim becomes the villain.
  1516. 56:54But
  1517. 56:56his ability to the
  1518. 56:59But the most serious thing that affects
  1519. 57:00him is that he has
  1520. 57:02a
  1521. 57:03when he's on trial for his life,
  1522. 57:05he has no champion.
  1523. 57:08He He doesn't get to an adequate lawyer
  1524. 57:12to do any of these things that that have
  1525. 57:15been done for O.J. Simpson. Not one of
  1526. 57:17them.
  1527. 57:18And that's so that there's a sense I
  1528. 57:21keep wondering what these men in prison
  1529. 57:23think as they watch
  1530. 57:25the Simpson trial.
  1531. 57:34San Quentin Prison, death row for some
  1532. 57:37300 convicted murderers, many of them
  1533. 57:39black.
  1534. 57:43I went to visit three of them, all angry
  1535. 57:45that O.J. Simpson has already been
  1536. 57:47granted immunity from the death sentence
  1537. 57:49if found guilty. Multiple murder is a
  1538. 57:52capital offense in California.
  1539. 57:56Inside one of the toughest prisons in
  1540. 57:58America, they contemplate a justice
  1541. 58:00system they believe is hand-tailored for
  1542. 58:02the rich.
  1543. 58:11Convicted men argue that indifferent
  1544. 58:12lawyers, less consultation time, and
  1545. 58:15less investigative work make their
  1546. 58:17chances so much worse.
  1547. 58:19Is this where you have your visits
  1548. 58:20normally, Terry?
  1549. 58:26To put it at its simplest, if you are
  1550. 58:28poor
  1551. 58:30and a minority in the United States, you
  1552. 58:32just don't get the kind of justice that
  1553. 58:34Simpson is getting. Is that what you're
  1554. 58:35saying?
  1555. 58:36If you're poor, period, in this country,
  1556. 58:38you don't get that type of
  1557. 58:39representation.
  1558. 58:40Why not? Is it just a shortage of money?
  1559. 58:45No, the system
  1560. 58:47moves in a certain way, and if you can't
  1561. 58:50shake that
  1562. 58:54way up, if you can't
  1563. 58:59The fallacy about being proven
  1564. 59:03guilty or being innocent until proven
  1565. 59:05guilty, it just doesn't exist. Uh
  1566. 59:07there's a basic misconception that where
  1567. 59:09there is smoke, there is fire.
  1568. 59:12And the average The average, not all,
  1569. 59:15but the average 12 jurors in this
  1570. 59:16country, if you're sitting in the
  1571. 59:18defendant chair, you are guilty.
  1572. 59:20Uh money
  1573. 59:22can help buy you that assumption
  1574. 59:25of innocence.
  1575. 59:26And that's what O.J. has going for him.
  1576. 59:38Were you surprised when the District
  1577. 59:40Attorney decided not to ask for the
  1578. 59:41death penalty for Simpson?
  1579. 59:44I was
  1580. 59:45uh
  1581. 59:47not surprised
  1582. 59:49that he did not ask for
  1583. 59:51in that particular case.
  1584. 59:53Why?
  1585. 59:54Because
  1586. 59:56it would have brought to the forefront
  1587. 59:58the entire state of California. They are
  1588. 59:59a minority in terms of numbers in the
  1589. 1:00:02city of Los Angeles.
  1590. 1:00:04Okay? They are afraid of people of color
  1591. 1:00:07because of the decades and and and
  1592. 1:00:09centuries of
  1593. 1:00:11uh
  1594. 1:00:13sitting back unapologetically
  1595. 1:00:15treating people of color the way they
  1596. 1:00:17have.
  1597. 1:00:19There are malign forces on all sides.
  1598. 1:00:24In a car park, I met two private
  1599. 1:00:26detectives who claim to be working for
  1600. 1:00:28the friends of Nicole Simpson, but whose
  1601. 1:00:30real job seems to be to spread
  1602. 1:00:32malevolent gossip, often with racial
  1603. 1:00:34connotations, about O.J. Simpson to the
  1604. 1:00:36press. In a nation closely tuned into
  1605. 1:00:39any information about the case, men like
  1606. 1:00:41this often find an audience.
  1607. 1:00:43One of them is armed with smears.
  1608. 1:00:46What have you learned about O.J. Simpson
  1609. 1:00:49which you think you want to pass on to
  1610. 1:00:51reporters like me?
  1611. 1:00:52Well, I've learned that he
  1612. 1:00:55he's not the Mr. Goody Two-Shoes
  1613. 1:00:57you know, all-American hero athlete that
  1614. 1:00:59he's perceived to be.
  1615. 1:01:01The second detective is camera-shy,
  1616. 1:01:03hides in the back of the car. Both
  1617. 1:01:05investigators are anxious to give
  1618. 1:01:06answers that reflect badly on O.J., but
  1619. 1:01:09they become more evasive about questions
  1620. 1:01:11concerning the people who've hired them.
  1621. 1:01:13Where does the money come from?
  1622. 1:01:16How do you mean?
  1623. 1:01:17Well, two of the people are just I would
  1624. 1:01:19characterize them as independently
  1625. 1:01:21wealthy, old money in this city, Los
  1626. 1:01:24Angeles.
  1627. 1:01:24And just explain to me what old money
  1628. 1:01:26means.
  1629. 1:01:27Old money being established, passed down
  1630. 1:01:30generation to generation, having having
  1631. 1:01:32been in the city a long time. Their
  1632. 1:01:34parents in in established large
  1633. 1:01:37business ventures in this city.
  1634. 1:01:39Old white money.
  1635. 1:01:40Right, more or less, yeah.
  1636. 1:01:42But what are the motives of the people
  1637. 1:01:45who you won't name who are sponsoring
  1638. 1:01:47you? What is it that they want?
  1639. 1:01:48Well, in the words of at least one, the
  1640. 1:01:51way I remember the initial meeting was
  1641. 1:01:53they wanted to see make sure he was
  1642. 1:01:54convicted, in the words of one, see him
  1643. 1:01:56fry.
  1644. 1:01:57In a country where poverty, crime, and
  1645. 1:01:59race remain inextricably linked in the
  1646. 1:02:01ultra-conservative mind, comments like
  1647. 1:02:04that identify these men's paymasters
  1648. 1:02:06more clearly.
  1649. 1:02:07You said rather enigmatically at the
  1650. 1:02:08beginning of the interview that that
  1651. 1:02:10some of the money was was coming from a
  1652. 1:02:12political source and that it was old
  1653. 1:02:14white money.
  1654. 1:02:15Is that a kind of subtext for for racist
  1655. 1:02:18money?
  1656. 1:02:20No, not at all. In fact
  1657. 1:02:21You mean it could be?
  1658. 1:02:22No, in fact I would characterize these
  1659. 1:02:24people as liberals.
  1660. 1:02:25It's not a liberal sentiment to say I
  1661. 1:02:27hope he fries, is it?
  1662. 1:02:28Right, right. I think they're just so
  1663. 1:02:30fed up with the crime in Los Angeles and
  1664. 1:02:33the and the constant what the way they
  1665. 1:02:34put it, the black eye for this city. And
  1666. 1:02:37they haven't They didn't just move into
  1667. 1:02:38town to get into show business. They've
  1668. 1:02:39been here a long time. They've seen it
  1669. 1:02:41change. They don't like it.
  1670. 1:02:43Why, for all of these very legitimate
  1671. 1:02:44issues,
  1672. 1:02:46is the lightning rod persona an
  1673. 1:02:48African-American man? Why does Why does
  1674. 1:02:50the focus only come when you have these
  1675. 1:02:53scandals or when you have these
  1676. 1:02:54tragedies?
  1677. 1:02:55And I think the African-American
  1678. 1:02:57community
  1679. 1:02:58in dollars fighting to prove his
  1680. 1:02:59innocence, but it's not so much what
  1681. 1:03:01O.J. Simpson is buying as what many
  1682. 1:03:03fellow black suspects can't buy that
  1683. 1:03:05makes this case so controversial.
  1684. 1:03:08What faces the average black defendant
  1685. 1:03:11in a murder case?
  1686. 1:03:13In a sense, uh
  1687. 1:03:15the whole world is against him right
  1688. 1:03:17from the beginning.
  1689. 1:03:19Instead of being like O.J. Simpson and
  1690. 1:03:22and that people don't want to believe
  1691. 1:03:24that he's guilty, everybody wants to
  1692. 1:03:26believe that he's guilty and does
  1693. 1:03:28believe that he's guilty.
  1694. 1:03:30But the most serious thing that affects
  1695. 1:03:31him is that he has
  1696. 1:03:34when he's on trial for his life,
  1697. 1:03:36he has no champion.
  1698. 1:03:39He He doesn't get to an adequate lawyer
  1699. 1:03:43to do any of these things that that have
  1700. 1:03:46been done for O.J. Simpson, not one of
  1701. 1:03:48them.
  1702. 1:03:49And that's so that there's a sense I
  1703. 1:03:52keep wondering what these men in prison
  1704. 1:03:54think as they watch
  1705. 1:03:56the Simpson trial.
  1706. 1:04:05San Quentin Prison, death row for some
  1707. 1:04:08300 convicted murderers, many of them
  1708. 1:04:10black.
  1709. 1:04:14I went to visit three of them, all angry
  1710. 1:04:16that O.J. Simpson has already been
  1711. 1:04:18granted immunity from the death sentence
  1712. 1:04:20if found guilty. Multiple murder is a
  1713. 1:04:23capital offense in California.
  1714. 1:04:27Inside one of the toughest prisons in
  1715. 1:04:29America, they contemplate a justice
  1716. 1:04:31system they believe is hand tailored for
  1717. 1:04:33the rich.
  1718. 1:04:42Convicted men argue that indifferent
  1719. 1:04:44lawyers, less consultation time, and
  1720. 1:04:46less investigative work make their
  1721. 1:04:48chances so much worse.
  1722. 1:04:50Is this where you have your visits
  1723. 1:04:51normally, Terry?
  1724. 1:04:57To put it at its simplest, if you are
  1725. 1:04:59poor
  1726. 1:05:01and a minority in the United States, you
  1727. 1:05:03just don't get the kind of justice that
  1728. 1:05:05Simpson is getting. Is that what you're
  1729. 1:05:06saying?
  1730. 1:05:07If you're poor, period, in this country,
  1731. 1:05:09you don't get that type of
  1732. 1:05:10representation.
  1733. 1:05:11Why not? Is it just a shortage of money?
  1734. 1:05:16No, the system
  1735. 1:05:18moves in a certain way and if you can't
  1736. 1:05:21shake that
  1737. 1:05:25way up, if you can't
  1738. 1:05:30the fallacy about being proven
  1739. 1:05:34guilty or being innocent until proven
  1740. 1:05:36guilty, it just doesn't exist. Uh
  1741. 1:05:38there's a basic misconception that where
  1742. 1:05:40there is smoke, there is fire.
  1743. 1:05:43And the average the average, not all,
  1744. 1:05:46but the average 12 jurors in this
  1745. 1:05:47country, if you're sitting in the
  1746. 1:05:49defendant chair, you are guilty.
  1747. 1:05:51Uh money
  1748. 1:05:53can help buy you that assumption
  1749. 1:05:56of innocence.
  1750. 1:05:57And that

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