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0:05tell you a story you've never heard
0:07before because no one knows this story
0:09the way I know it because I know the
0:12facts better than anyone
0:14got to do what we got to do I'm gonna
0:23tell you a story you've never heard
0:25before because no one knows this story
0:27the way I know it it takes place the
0:29night of June 12 1994 and it concerns
0:32the murders of my ex-wife Nicole Brown
0:34Simpson and her young friend Ronald
0:36Goldman forget everything you think you
0:39know about that night because I know the
0:41facts better than anyone the story you
0:43know I think you know that's not the
0:45story not even close
0:47this is one story the whole world got
0:49long tonight Oh Jay Simpson is out of
0:53jail and a free man but did he get away
0:56with murder
0:58twelve years ago a shocking interview
1:01with publisher Judith Regan you reached
1:03under the seat for a knife for the first
1:08time ever in poce some words I don't
1:11never think about what I was going over
1:12there's gotta stop details about the
1:15bloody crime scene that seemed like only
1:18a killer would know you write about
1:20removing a glove obviously I must go
1:23because they found a glove there and
1:25explosive revelations about an
1:27accomplice Charlie had followed this guy
1:30in and he brought the knife those tapes
1:34were lost until now and I said well you
1:38think you can kick my ass and I'm em I
1:39grabbed the knife we're finally going to
1:42hear the answer to the question that has
1:44haunted us all what happened on the
1:47night of June 12 1994 I think everything
1:50was covered in blood it was horrible
1:52is this his confession you be the judge
1:57good evening and welcome
1:59I'm Soledad O'Brien and tonight for the
2:01first time ever you will hear Oh Jay
2:04Simpson put himself at the scene of the
2:06murders and tell you in his own words
2:08what he says might have happened that
2:11awful night mmm I grabbed a knife and
2:14I'm standing in it's all kind of butt
2:16and stuff around Oh Jay was acquitted of
2:19the murders and due to the double
2:21jeopardy rule of our criminal justice
2:22system he cannot be tried again for
2:25these crimes keep this in mind this is
2:28hypothetical is it a confession to the
2:31murder of his ex-wife Nicole Brown
2:32Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman or is
2:36this version only hypothetical as OJ
2:38maintains you'll have to decide but
2:41there is no doubt that what he says is
2:43disturbing often chilling and above all
2:46unforgettable
2:48this is one story whole world the Los
2:57Angeles Police Department
2:59sought and obtained a warrant for the
3:02arrest of OJ Simpson for the murders of
3:04Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle
3:07Goldman it was a horrific crime that
3:11stunned the nation in 1994 Nicole Brown
3:14Simpson the beautiful ex-wife of a
3:16handsome and charismatic American sports
3:18hero was found nearly decapitated on her
3:21front steps in LA's exclusive Brentwood
3:25neighborhood her friend Ron Goldman lay
3:27nearby after bleeding to death from stab
3:30wounds from the beginning there was only
3:32one suspect in the murders
3:34Oh Jay Simpson NFL record-breaking
3:38legend considered by many to be one of
3:41the greatest running backs of all time
3:44the trial became a national soap opera
3:47that delved into uncomfortable questions
3:49of celebrity domestic violence and most
3:52of all race even though the prosecution
3:55offered overwhelming evidence to try to
3:58place Oh Jay at the scene of the crime
4:00he was acquitted we the jury in the
4:03above-entitled action find the defendant
4:05Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the
4:08crime of murder
4:10[Music]
4:15he's guilty he's got to live with
4:16himself man what did you think of the
4:18verdict I felt that if there's anything
4:20right with the universe's there's no way
4:22they can convict me of it Oh Jay sat
4:24down with the publisher Judith Regan in
4:262006 for what would be his first and
4:29only TV interview about his relationship
4:32with Nicole and his movements on her
4:34last night alive Regan and Simpson
4:38agreed that he would write a book about
4:39the killings that she believed would be
4:42a best-seller it was called if I did it
4:45what do you think people are gonna think
4:47of this book some people say maybe his
4:50blood money well guess what every book
4:52that was written about this case was
4:53Blood Money after the victims families
4:56protested that OJ should not be allowed
4:58to profit from the murders the book's
5:00publication was suspended and this
5:02interview with Simpson never broadcast
5:05tonight not only will we show you the
5:08never-before-seen interview but Judith
5:10Regan herself is here to tell us what
5:12she was thinking while sitting across
5:14from OJ Simpson that night we'll also be
5:17joined by one of Nicole's closest
5:19friends eve shakti chen and christopher
5:22darden famed prosecutor of the criminal
5:24trial as well as a panel of experts who
5:27could help evaluate what we are hearing
5:29from a man who many Americans believe
5:31committed these gruesome murders and who
5:34walks free today
5:35but before we listen to OJ talk about
5:38the night of the murders we first need
5:40to hear about the relationship between
5:42OJ and Nicole let's go back to the
5:45beginning I want to talk about the first
5:48time you met Nicole Brown yes where was
5:50it it was right on ordeal a place called
5:53a daisy it's a little breakfast place I
5:55had actually gone there because my first
5:58wife Margaery and I had just realized
6:00and decided the night before that it
6:03wasn't working with us
6:04Oh J was married to his high school
6:06sweetheart
6:07Marguerite Whitley they had two children
6:10and a third on the way at the time he
6:13met Nicole he says his marriage was on
6:15the rocks
6:17and we had to had a trial separation we
6:19had lived together till 2 June and we
6:21realized it wasn't gonna work but she
6:23told me she was pregnant what do you
6:26know here we are not you know how could
6:28you get pregnant attended to that
6:29whatever and I was so depressed but it
6:32was our anniversary
6:33the next day over the weekend would be
6:35our anniversary so I went into Beverly
6:36Hills I bought her a coat for them to
6:38deliver it to her and I ran into a
6:40friend of mine he said let's have
6:42breakfast and when we walked in this
6:43this vision turned to me and said where
6:46do you want to sit and I really think of
6:48what a gorgeous girl but I can't deal
6:52with this so three days later when I
6:54came back I went back into the Days Inn
6:56was having lunch with the owner and she
6:58came back in and I said man I would
7:01really like to take this girl out and he
7:03called her over and introduces and no
7:06said this is one of the good guys and
7:08you were together
7:09from then on well yeah well that I had
7:11to take her before went there party had
7:12to explain to her that I was married but
7:16I wasn't married no it sounded like a
7:17line but after we talked I think she
7:20believed me and we're together ever
7:22since you courted her for seven years
7:25you were together seven years before you
7:26got married
7:27well worship yeah well I really wasn't
7:31looking to get married I'm done most
7:32guys aren't looking to get married I had
7:34had three kids you know obviously early
7:38on in the marriage my third daughter was
7:39born my third child who passed away a
7:42couple of years after that but I wasn't
7:45looking to have kids and then uh after a
7:47few years she mentioned to me that's you
7:49know she had been helping me when my
7:51kids were with us raised my kids and she
7:53kind of wanted her home which was a good
7:55point to me at the time but I was still
7:57kind of hesitant and and that caused a
8:00lot of friction with us but for the most
8:02part we had a terrific relationship um
8:04you write about the night in 1984 with
8:08the baseball bat you know I don't know
8:09why this is become such a big deal this
8:11is what bothered me with the media and
8:13these these stories is is I hadn't
8:17committed to to a wedding date I think I
8:21committed to I gotten engaged but then
8:23I'm doing what most guys do you know I
8:25put it off okay well we get married baby
8:28big summer stuff
8:29and I had come she had come home and we
8:32were talking about him we went out front
8:34like we often did we was talking about
8:36what it was and I was sitting on the
8:38front of this school is actually my car
8:40but I bought it for her and I had a bat
8:42between my legs and the Y's we're
8:44talking I'm is you know that it's
8:46bouncing off the tire and we're just
8:48talking then at one point I hit it hits
8:50the rim and she says if you damage that
8:54you'll have to pay for it and I go well
8:55if I pay for that I guess I have to pay
8:56for this too and I kind of hit the front
8:58of her car you know so she went in the
9:00house I don't know what she did when she
9:01went in the house but I mean it's my
9:03copy but I paid for everything around
9:05here right she knew he had a volatile
9:10temper but Nicole Brown married OJ
9:13anyway hoping that he would mellow once
9:16they started a family when you got
9:19married
9:20when you finally did it after seven
9:21years were you fully committed and yes
9:24it was and she wanted her own children
9:26yeah you write about yeah as a matter of
9:28fact once we got married as I pointed
9:30out we went on our honeymoon to get
9:32pregnant and she got pregnant oh not
9:33anymore were you happy about that yeah
9:35yeah at that point yes their first child
9:40was a girl Sydney and Nicole basked in
9:43motherhood but for OJ it meant having to
9:46share his wife's attention
9:50so Nicole has Sydney yes what kind of a
9:53mother was she cuz you write about this
9:55a lot she was almost too attentive that
9:58you can be too attentive and what we
10:01couldn't get it to go anywhere you know
10:02couldn't go out to Zdenek cuz she
10:04couldn't leave the kids and it became a
10:06problem I I had worked with Judy to
10:09brown Nicole's mother weird we had come
10:11up with all kind of schemes to try to
10:14get Italy the kids you know and I I said
10:16we just need a weekend and go somewhere
10:18you know and it was just it was almost
10:20impossible if we went out to dinner
10:21she'd be calling back
10:23so she was totally involved in the kids
10:25like she was a terrific mom you write in
10:28the book that Nicole changed after your
10:30son Justin was born yeah in what way did
10:33she change but she always had a thing
10:36about her weight
10:37and that became all-consuming things
10:42right
10:43her mother the first advice her mother
10:45gave me the first night we met was OJ
10:48don't let her put on weight she's
10:49miserable if she puts on weight so that
10:53that became a major major thing she had
10:58heard rumors of me having a fair
11:01something which unfortunately was true
11:03and that didn't help the situation at
11:06all
11:07the first time we were ever apart was
11:09when I went back to New York that fall
11:12for NFL I've visited back and forth I
11:14didn't know it at the time but she kind
11:18of had a fling herself you know and you
11:20also had your fling snow Eve can I get
11:27you a tissue
11:28yes please we grab a tissue guys what
11:30does this make you cry just the kids how
11:34much she loved the kids did she want to
11:36be a mom Oh Cassius and she was such a
11:40great mom and you know just to think
11:42that the the thing she would have wanted
11:45the most was to have seen them grown up
11:47grow up
12:00Nicole was an amazing mom and I think
12:03I'm emotional because she would have
12:07loved to have watched her kids grow up
12:09more than anything else in the world
12:12what do you make of his demeanor in that
12:14opening part of the interview I think
12:17he's being manipulative and he's trying
12:19to create a story where he's okay in
12:26chasing after this 18 year old so oh
12:28yeah it was just the night before when
12:30Marguerite and I decided to split up I
12:33doubt that's true but he's constructed
12:36that in his own mind to justify the fact
12:40that he's about to pursue an 18 year old
12:43girl and he's still a married man and
12:45his wife is pregnant it's hard it's hard
12:48to think that this wonderful kid could
12:52end up in a grasp of you know someone
12:55who just literally swept her away from
12:57from us Rita Smith joins us she was the
13:02former executive director of the
13:03National Coalition Against Domestic
13:04Violence for more than 20 years with
13:07your experience around domestic violence
13:09what are the things that you saw in that
13:11interview that stuck out to you well I
13:13think the thing that has always been
13:16clear to me about this particular
13:18tragedy is that while Simpson was a very
13:23skilled very talented football player he
13:25was nobody special when it came to being
13:27a better
13:27he was like every other better I've ever
13:29heard about he doesn't say it but the
13:32bat actually was used to bash in the
13:34windshield and by some reports Nicole
13:36was in the car when he was bashing in
13:39the windshield
13:40subtle and not-so-subtle forms of
13:43violence are used to continue to keep
13:46control over their victim so him just
13:49bouncing the bat off the tire initially
13:52was a subtle message I am in charge I
13:56will determine the framework for this
13:58relationship I will decide what happens
14:00when it happens you will not or you will
14:04die
14:04Chris your four sons for him is just so
14:07cavalierly say these things as if it's
14:09nothing I don't know why
14:10buddy's upset about this why is this a
14:12big deal you know she was almost too
14:16attentive to the kids how can your wife
14:18be too attentive to your children and
14:21when I read about the baseball bat
14:25incident and we talked to the officer
14:27that that responded that's what I knew
14:32that's when I knew we we had the right
14:34guy why why did you know at that moment
14:36because he terrorized her he sent her a
14:39very clear message he is giving her a
14:41preview the rest of her life or perhaps
14:45even the end of it it was never gonna be
14:48easy marrying one of the most famous
14:50since sought after men in America Nicole
14:54wanted Oh Jay to regard her as an equal
14:57by New Year's Eve 1989 they had been
15:01married for four years for the world
15:03they were a glamorous couple living a
15:06charmed life they certainly didn't show
15:10it she was a celebrated sports
15:12commentator for the NFL on NBC and the
15:18face of hurts and there was his
15:23blossoming career as an actor in movies
15:26and on television but behind closed
15:29doors The Simpsons marriage was
15:31tumultuous
15:33talk us through what happened on New
15:37Year's Eve 1989 and what did to me
15:42I am when I look back in my life other
15:43than the deaths of my loved ones along
15:47with Nicole my daughter my mom I always
15:49said it was the most depressing and sad
15:52night of my life
15:53because we have been to a New Year's
15:56party we're a home we were both you know
15:59so intoxicated we were very affectionate
16:02but somehow in the middle of this
16:03affection she asked me about about some
16:08earrings that night The Simpsons had
16:11been partying with OJ's friend the pro
16:14football star Marcus Allen and his then
16:16fiancee Katherine OJ says it was a
16:19comment from Katherine that made Nicole
16:21suspect he was cheating turned out she
16:24had misunderstood Marcus Allen's fiance
16:27Katherine yet maybe I had bought Nicole
16:30him some diamond earrings but since she
16:32didn't get them see I obviously bought
16:34diamond earrings from someone else now I
16:36didn't notice and - after that night
16:37because other than being very pushing me
16:41offer and going out the room and yelling
16:44and screaming she wouldn't say what it
16:46was about except something about the
16:48earrings and I locked her out of the
16:49room and somehow she finds that can't
16:51come back in the room and I threw her
16:54out and I really threw her out with no
16:56concern for her well-being I mean she
16:58got physical with me and obviously I'm
17:00bigger I got more physical with her
17:02which I shouldn't have done historically
17:04I just leave and I didn't just leave and
17:07a little later my housekeeper came and
17:11told me that the cops were outside and
17:13the one thing that hurts me as much as
17:17anything in this you know besides been
17:19considered by some a murderer is just
17:25being a batter police arriving at the
17:29scene described a bloody and terrified
17:31Nicole hiding in the bushes
17:33she ran toward them screaming
17:35that Oh Jane is going to kill her her
17:38sister took photos documenting Nicole's
17:40injuries it was one of multiple
17:43occasions that police responded to
17:45Rockingham for a domestic disturbance
17:47this time Oh Jay would be charged with
17:50spousal abuse and sentenced to 120 hours
17:53of community service she had bruises on
17:58her curves in her face no neck sort of
18:00because which way to consistent with the
18:03arrest on her person she's calling
18:05anybody knows there was a very physical
18:07person a very confrontational person who
18:10had gotten into her she if I said you
18:12know it bounces at clubs and stuff I
18:15made no excuses I just started but I
18:18make no excuses about my reaction Nicole
18:23a minute that she was the one that
18:25initiated all of it but still I was the
18:27man I shouldn't have reacted the way I
18:29reacted no sorries drink of course I was
18:32sorry for that I'm responsible for what
18:34I did you know I got physical I was
18:37wrong
18:37Nicole ed admitted that she initiated it
18:40and somehow I came out of all of that
18:42because of that night as the poster boy
18:44of an abuser
18:46what's the prosecution used against me
18:49with their whole total crap about them
18:52coming to my house eight times cops had
18:54been there for eight times which
18:56obviously was not true
18:59lots to dig in there let's start with
19:01the prosecution since he ends those
19:03comments with the prosecution yes the
19:05police had been to his house multiple
19:07times we located police officers who had
19:11responded to DV calls at the house and
19:13hadn't even written a report
19:15I mean OJ created this environment where
19:17you know cops could just stop by and
19:19have a cup of coffee police officers
19:21become his house and and literally you
19:23know party and they just sort of hang
19:25out no police officer was really
19:28interested in arresting OJ Simpson for
19:30abusing Nicole how significant was this
19:34New Year's Eve incident as you were
19:36building the case well Nicole left for
19:42us a diary notes photographs she
19:46documented the abuse my sense
19:49that she knew she was going to die and
19:52she wanted to make sure we know who
19:55killed her how many instances does she
19:58document that you found seven or eight
20:01as I recall and each incident becomes
20:05more violent than the last one we missed
20:08a half-a-dozen opportunities to save her
20:11life Eve he says she is physical
20:17she's confrontational she was the one
20:21who was hustling I've never known Nicole
20:25to be a person that lost her anger if
20:31anything she was as I've said before she
20:33tended to get quiet if she got upset she
20:38was not a confrontational person you
20:40know she was just battling for her life
20:44coming up he never took the witness
20:47stand in his criminal trial but tonight
20:50for the first time Oh Jay Simpson puts
20:53himself at the scene of the crime you
20:55get into a fight Nicole comes out a
20:57verbal fight and explains in his own
21:00words what might have happened the night
21:02of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron
21:04Goldman's murderer this guy kind of got
21:07into a karate thing and I said well you
21:10think you can kick my ass and I remember
21:11I grabbed the night
21:13it's hard for me to describe it Teli I
21:15don't think any two people could be
21:19murdered the way they were without
21:21everybody been covered the flood is this
21:24a confession you write about removing a
21:27glove before taking the knife you know I
21:30had no conscious memory of doing that
21:32but obviously I must go because they
21:34found a glove there you decide it's all
21:39coming up tonight
21:45welcome back to this extraordinary
21:48television event tonight you are hearing
21:51OJ Simpson from a never-before-seen
21:53interview he did in 2006 with publisher
21:57Judith Regan I'm responsible for what I
21:59did I got physical I was wrong
22:02Nicole ed admitted that she initiated it
22:04and somehow I came out of all of that
22:06because of that night as the poster boy
22:08of an abuser
22:10the Simpson marriage was turbulent from
22:12the beginning and things seemed to go
22:14from bad to worse following the violent
22:22New Year's Eve incident life went on
22:25there were family trips Christmas
22:28celebrations and an expensive renovation
22:31of their Rockingham home but Nicole's
22:34friends and family say she had reached a
22:36breaking point after years of physical
22:39abuse and infidelity and in January 1992
22:42she told AJ she wanted a separation she
22:47didn't really want to want a divorce she
22:49just wanted to separate and I pushed it
22:51I said no we're gonna get lawyers
22:53because we'll have at least 10 months to
22:56decide if it's gonna become a divorce or
22:58not if we want to change our mind we
23:00will but I'm not going to go through ten
23:02months and then decide to get a divorce
23:04and go to ten more months Nicole rented
23:08a four-bedroom house for herself and the
23:11children on Gretna Greenway half a mile
23:14from the home she had shared with OJ
23:16on Rockingham Avenue when she asked for
23:19the separation in 1992 you write in the
23:21book I felt like I'd been kicked in the
23:24jockey it was absolutely shocking her
23:27and her mother had been to New York a
23:29few weeks before that she had talked
23:31about how happy she was she had gotten
23:32her body completely batching is looking
23:34great she was finally wearing all her
23:36fancy stuff well I realized of course it
23:44hurts I didn't think it would happen and
23:46for two or three months I pursued her to
23:48know him until I saw her with another
23:51guy and at that point what are you gonna
23:52do a girls
23:53another guy Oh Jay had hoped they would
23:58eventually reunite but with Nicole
24:00dating other men he didn't contest her
24:03when she filed for divorce just two
24:05months after separating in divorce court
24:08there was testimony about the couple's
24:10history of domestic violence one of
24:13Nicole therapists said it's no secret
24:15Nicole was battered regularly all the
24:17time how do you respond to that well
24:19Nicole made it clear doing our divorce
24:21under oath I might add that this lady
24:24was crazy she had told minutes ladies
24:26crazy she wants me to say these things
24:27about you and she wouldn't do it that's
24:30why she wouldn't take the stand at our
24:32divorce because they wanted her to say
24:34these things to get more money in the
24:37divorce and what people don't realize
24:38that under oath during her deposition
24:40when they asked if I had ever been
24:41physical with her and this is at a time
24:43she's trying to get in my pocket and
24:45this is at a time she's been advised say
24:47this and it's gonna help but she
24:50wouldn't lie that's a great thing she
24:51wouldn't lie about it and she told him
24:54under oath that that was one incident
24:56that I was physical with her we can't we
24:58like to do nice justice you wouldn't lie
25:01yeah so we're gonna lie in front of me
25:03and on the stand
25:04we know that afraid not gonna be afraid
25:06of what happened next showed Nicole's
25:09fears may have been well-founded even as
25:13the couple waited for their divorce to
25:14be finalized
25:15Nicole's close friends say OJ began
25:18stalking her one incident occurred while
25:22she was on a date with Keith islam's
25:23which the owner of Mezzaluna a popular
25:26local restaurant you write in the book
25:29about Keith and that that night tell me
25:32that scene and what happened a lot of
25:34this I didn't find out into after right
25:36from her closest friends after my trial
25:40even glad to see these people right we
25:45had once in awhile seen each it combine
25:48house and so it would like we didn't
25:49have relationship relations in the early
25:51part of our separation so I hadn't run
25:54into her which they tried to say was
25:57stalking because her and some friends
25:59were at a opening of a restaurant I was
26:01there with like 16 people so I'm
26:03stalking you I'm stalking you would what
26:05my crew
26:06you know we're all there too you know
26:08and I saw her and I went over and spoke
26:10to her in her group then I went out to
26:13with my group to a party but on the way
26:14home I'd say let's see if she's home
26:16because if she's still up
26:17I don't know late she stayed out no no
26:20maybe I can get in any of it as I
26:27approached her front door she has a
26:29window right along the walkway there I
26:32can hear something and I can see
26:35movement and when I look I can obviously
26:37see she was involved in something I
26:38don't know who is with or what and I get
26:41the door and left when you knocked on
26:42the door I just hit them to be alert be
26:46aware that somebody's around and maybe
26:49they move or something that's why I
26:50didn't look I just hit the door twice
26:52and left it's funny I realized when I
26:55got home I maybe for the first time
26:58since we separated I slept like a baby
26:59it's weird it's really weird I think
27:02what you do you worry so much about
27:04something like this happening it's what
27:07it's that's what had me worried that's
27:09what I didn't want to have that's what I
27:10couldn't picture at night would make me
27:12wake up and I was reading all of these
27:14books about how to heal a broken heart
27:16and and from that moment all knew I was
27:18fine with it
27:19the next morning Oh Jay returned to
27:22Nicole's house to confront her in the
27:25presence of her lover here's how he
27:27describes the conversation but the next
27:30day we talked about it and that's when
27:32you know we had talked we had promised
27:34each other when we separated that one of
27:36us was gonna get involved with anybody
27:37we would alert the other right she said
27:39it was a mistake we had been drinking
27:41and that got that done and I said well
27:42why did you tell me that this was the
27:44nature of your relationship with this
27:46guy Jim Clemente joins us he's retired
27:49FBI Supervisory Special Agent and a
27:52profiler and also a former prosecutor
27:55for New York City law department it's
27:57nice to to have you with us okay he
27:59starts by saying almost it's ridiculous
28:02they called it stalking and then goes on
28:04to specifically describe a stalking
28:07incident right and then he goes on to
28:09say that well if I was stalking her I
28:11was doing it with my crew exactly
28:13because you know how to cover your
28:14tracks you know there was that happen to
28:16be a window there and I
28:18accidentally looked in and there was
28:19something going on I didn't even look he
28:21saw very intimate details which he then
28:24told Nicole I know because I saw you
28:29doing this doing what having sex engaged
28:32in a sexual act
28:33Judith there's a moment where he says I
28:36hit the door and you say you knocked on
28:38the door and he said I hit the door and
28:40I was curious I felt like you almost
28:43gave him an out to say not I feel that
28:46he hangs himself on every word I didn't
28:48have to do anything I just had to sit
28:51there ask him a question not appear to
28:54be judgmental and the way he describes
28:56it gives it away were you worried due to
29:00that that if you push back he might just
29:02get up and go oh he wanted to go he
29:04wanted to go and he would have left and
29:06they he would not have opened up and he
29:08started actually showing his true colors
29:10have you seen the interview I haven't
29:13seen the interview never ever no one has
29:16seen these this interview before
29:19obviously OJ Simpson had nothing to do
29:22with this project he was not part of it
29:25editorially not part of it was not paid
29:27to be part of it in any way shape or
29:29form I'm curious what you think his
29:32reaction will be when he sees this
29:34interview that he did with you Judith
29:36back in 2006 you gonna hate it
29:39he's gonna hate it he's gonna hate
29:43Nicole was actively dating and so was OJ
29:47he had women coming and going including
29:49the day after catching Nicole with
29:51someone else
29:52the next day is I called a friend of
29:57mine or a whining tropic girl that I had
29:59met from the past and quite run into and
30:01she said I heard you and your wife were
30:03a pardon I said well sorta and I said
30:05well I'll call you and I called her
30:10finally any of that she came over and we
30:15were upstairs and there was a somebody
30:19at my housekeepers say Marcus captain
30:21they're at the door they have been
30:23trying to fix me up with this one model
30:24and she was out of town but they had
30:27brought her best friend over to talk to
30:29me when I walked downstairs was Paula
30:30Bob
30:31Paul egg was shocked when the girl came
30:33down the girl she said was beautiful but
30:35her and I just hit it off I mean we just
30:37hit it off and we spoke on the phone
30:39because she traveled a lot for a month
30:40and about a month later we really became
30:42involved and Paula Barbieri would become
30:47OJ's on and off girlfriend for the next
30:49two and a half years staying with him
30:52throughout the murder trial but he says
30:56that even as he got serious with Paula
30:58he never stopped talking to Nicole what
31:02happened during that time you start
31:04dating Paula and you write about
31:06Nicole's reaction to your dating Paula
31:09it was funny because she was dating
31:11various people and she would call me and
31:15talk to me about it hey you know it just
31:17it started to reach a point where it
31:19became irritating it became a problem
31:21because one minute she'd called me and I
31:24give her advice and then then she'll
31:26call out of the blue because of
31:27something real stupid and give me a hard
31:28time right so I had made up my mind that
31:31I really didn't wanted to call me unless
31:33it had to do with the kids it was kind
31:36of irritating Nepal also to have your
31:39why you talking ex-wife about our
31:41relationships Paulie you just say why
31:43are you talking to her about her
31:44boyfriends she got pregnant during that
31:47period of time and call me not to ask
31:49what to do but I think she just needed
31:50somebody to talk to
31:51did you feel at that time that you still
31:54had love for her affection for we're
31:56still in love so yeah I had been with
31:58her at that time for what 14 15 years I
32:01felt she was the love of my life even
32:03though we were splitting she was the
32:05love of my life and I never really
32:07thought I never even really thought it
32:09was over
32:10even after we split the last time you I
32:12knew her and I would always have this in
32:14our lives that we would cross you know
32:16just was the nature of our relationship
32:18you said that she got pregnant was she
32:20pregnant by you at the time oh no no no
32:23whoever she was dating I don't say the
32:25guys name cuz I don't know for sure but
32:27that upset you no no I'm even wonder why
32:30she callin - oh me know now you write
32:33something I didn't need to know at that
32:35time Paul and I was really sort of
32:38figuratively ruined written off into the
32:40sunset Oh J says to appease Paul
32:44and focus exclusively on their new
32:46relationship he cut off all contact with
32:49Nicole Thomas we living in New York half
32:52the year and I happen to be in LA and
32:54the phone rang and I picked it up was
32:57her and I had successfully avoided her
32:58for a month and I have too much right
33:00and she says hi and I hey how you doing
33:03and why why you avoiding me that's
33:04another it's not that I'm avoiding I
33:06just don't want to kid stuff and she
33:08said she needed to speak to me and I
33:10finally said okay speak no I need to
33:14talk to you to speak to you and I said
33:15you know look let me call you back
33:18I gotta take this other call which was
33:20no call I went back to sleep
33:21shortly after that my kids ran into the
33:24house and ran in and gave me a hug and
33:26gave me a letter as well as tapes of our
33:28wedding and ran out to their their
33:31playground that I had built for him in
33:32the front and when I went out you know
33:34to be with the kids she was there so I
33:37figured I can't keep avoiding her
33:39so I went over and say okay what do you
33:42want to do let's take a walk so you know
33:45two three steps she said I want to come
33:46home you know mystery I love you and I
33:48was like how could you love me save me
33:51we barely seen each other in the last
33:52eight nine months and what you love me
33:55so I never told you I didn't love you I
33:57said yeah but you said you weren't in
33:58love with me I'm sure a lot of guys have
34:00heard this right and it made no sense
34:02but I kind of let her know that I wasn't
34:04interested in getting back together but
34:06I did think we should spend time
34:08together with the kids you know which I
34:11would do when Paul was I right Oh Jay
34:16claimed it was for the kids that he and
34:18Nicole began to spend more time together
34:20but sometimes just the two of them went
34:23out alone he recalls one evening that
34:26would change everything she was alone
34:29and she looked lonely and I said let's
34:31go have a bite eat I was telling her
34:32about Marcus Allen's fiancee Catherine
34:34who
34:36like get mad I was hosting their wedding
34:38at my house and the cold was crying and
34:40then it got to the point I said well it
34:42can't be that sad right and she said
34:45that Marcus was not my friend I didn't
34:48quite understand what she was saying and
34:50it kind of Donald I said it something
34:51happened with you and Marcus and she
34:53says yes and I said check kinda check
34:56please
34:57when I asked her why did you tell me
34:59this she said well he keeps calling he
35:01won't leave me alone and I said what
35:02threatened to tell Kathryn threatened to
35:05tell Kathryn how did you feel about
35:07Marcus Allen this is your friend well
35:09Marcus came over and when he came back
35:11in town and apologized
35:13my lawyers were very upset with me that
35:15I hadn't told him that because they said
35:18these guys are trying to paint you as a
35:19jealous crazy guy and and did this
35:24really happen I said yeah it happened
35:25you know everybody knew what happened
35:27and the coast best friends knew what
35:28happened to this day Marcus Allen denies
35:32that he ever slept with Nicole
35:34but OJ insists that he did how did that
35:38I wasn't married to her I thought it was
35:41wrong because she had always been really
35:43honestly she had always been the moral
35:46compass of our group of friends I was a
35:48little baffled and then that night
35:50actually after I dropped her off
35:52something really kind of happened that
35:54night that started my downfall is I
35:56think about it but I had to talk about
35:58it the area right now I really talked
36:01about it
36:02I really don't what happened Oh Jay
36:05claims is that he and Nicole slept
36:08together which she wrote in the book was
36:10like an addict having a relapse the
36:13couple now divorced agreed to continue
36:16living apart but try to reconcile for
36:20the next few months sometimes he spent
36:22the night at her place
36:23sometimes she at his but the calm didn't
36:26last
36:26[Music]
36:29and I want emergency become one over
36:32here now in a 325 Gretna Green he's back
36:35hey what does he look like oh geez
36:37simple oh wait a minute we can't believe
36:40what is he doing is he threatening you
36:43Oh Jay had heard a rumor that sent him
36:48into a jealous rage
36:50the Nicole had been hosting parties
36:52where there were drugs and group sex if
36:54she was been influenced by drugs or
36:57anything maybe she might have been
36:58making a wrong decision I just know I
36:59didn't want any of these people around
37:01my kids doing that nine one one tape
37:26that everybody hears me yelling up I
37:28don't want these girls around my kids
37:30and that's the only thing that argument
37:32on that nine one one tape was about I
37:34went to her house and I'm bitter about
37:35riot act
37:36[Music]
37:44[Music]
37:55I did what any father and and would do
38:01and yet you know if people listened to
38:04that tape and made me this horrible
38:06person whenever they hear that nine
38:07one-take can you believe he's yelling at
38:09her about this
38:10well when the cops came it became
38:11apparent she said I was yelling to her
38:13about this and only this that's the only
38:16reason I was there reading her the riot
38:18act because I don't want these people
38:19around my kids let's talk about the 911
38:24tape how did you think about that tape
38:28for evidence in the trial you know we
38:31knew what the motive was we knew it was
38:34jealousy we knew it was control and and
38:37we knew that he had the capability of
38:39killing her if you're gonna come in
38:42yelling being threatening being physical
38:45kicking in doors and damaging you know
38:48the wall or the walls in the house while
38:51the children are there but framing it as
38:54I'm only here to protect the children
38:56right exactly and doing so much more
39:01harm to the children she could have been
39:03killed that day he doesn't say to you
39:06Judas what really happened which is he
39:08kicks in the door he breaks down the
39:10door to get inside the house and all the
39:12yelling that we hear on that 911 tape is
39:15because he's pushed himself into a house
39:18that is not his and gotten access and
39:20again he's there stalking and
39:23terrorizing her you know in in the most
39:26egregious way and yet he said he
39:29describes it as looking out for his
39:31children was OJ Simpson a good father I
39:34don't know how you call yourself a good
39:36dad if you commit acts of violence that
39:39threaten violence in the presence of
39:41your children so on a scale of one to
39:44ten I'm gonna put him out a negative one
39:51for the next seven months the couple
39:53resumed their relationship walking the
39:56red carpet at a movie premiere showing
39:58up at an NFL game and going on family
40:01vacation with Bruce and Kris Jenner
40:04but Nicole was exhausted she told her
40:07close friends that she was finally done
40:09with OJ but he wasn't done with her up
40:16next Oh J describes what might have
40:19happened the night Nicole Brown Simpson
40:21and Ron Goldman were brutally murdered
40:22and Nicole was nuts that week I mean
40:25just craziness it's a story he hasn't
40:27told before I don't think any two people
40:30could be murdered the way they were
40:31without everybody been covered in blood
40:34I think he's confessed to murder and one
40:37you will never forget it was an
40:39absolutely horrible welcome back to OJ
40:50Simpson a lost confession let's listen
40:53as OJ Simpson describes what he did on
40:55the night his ex-wife Nicole Brown
40:57Simpson and her friend Ronald Goldman
41:00were savagely murdered
41:04Nicolle now 35 years old made a decision
41:07that the unhealthy cycle between her and
41:10OJ had to stop on May 22nd three weeks
41:16before her murder
41:17Nicole returned an expensive birthday
41:19gift that OJ had given her telling
41:21friends I broke up with him I finally
41:24feel free I told him I can't be bought
41:27On June 10th she went property hunting
41:30in Malibu hoping to put some distance
41:32between herself and the man who wouldn't
41:34let her go two days later she would be
41:38dead you are about to hear Oh Jay
41:42Simpson talk about what he did on the
41:44day his ex-wife was murdered
41:46let's talk about the day of June 12 1994
41:50no tell me about getting ready for your
41:53daughter's recital just tell me take me
41:55through the day it was a long week I had
41:58been to three or four cities that week I
42:00was totally exhausted my friends in New
42:03York tried to get me to stay in New York
42:05that Friday played golf Saturday and
42:07then go straight to Chicago where I had
42:09to be Monday morning but my daughter was
42:11having a recital and I had already
42:12missed I think the week or two before I
42:16had I was out of town and I had missed
42:18and this is something I forget what it
42:20was something that my daughter was
42:22having so I couldn't miss this so I said
42:25I gotta be there for the recital and I
42:27flew into town and I just want to go
42:29there see my daughter and leave and I
42:32talked to Nicole briefly that day she
42:33had called asked if I could get if I
42:36could get there early in whole seats and
42:38I said how things so what she did and
42:41when we got to the recital
42:43she had actually held me a seat with her
42:45and the two kids I there was something
42:47that you write in the book about what
42:50Nicole was wearing yeah you know we it
42:52was like it was like it's almost like
42:54she was trying to be a teenager again
42:56you know dating all these much younger
42:58guys wearing his shortest tightest thing
43:00she was wearing and sometimes you think
43:02something's inappropriate but you don't
43:03say anything what am i warm I to say
43:05tell her what to do you know so your get
43:08to recital yeah I was just exhausted but
43:11everything was cool and doing one of the
43:12breaks dr. Fishman pulled me aside
43:18and Corphish was is the coast best
43:21friend his daughter's my daughter's best
43:24friend to this day and dr. Fishman said
43:27man Jew she won't believe what's going
43:29on
43:30these girls he is telling me that they
43:32had fights and Nicole was nuts that week
43:34it was like what are these girls do it I
43:37mean it's just craziness what they were
43:38saying I said man get away from when I
43:40told you these girls whatever is going
43:41on is bad you know and this comes right
43:45after a week previous to this her best
43:48friend core had come to my house and
43:49tears begging me to do something to get
43:52Nicole away from the people she was
43:54hanging around somehow the prosecution
43:55didn't want that in the case right and I
43:58don't know it was upset it upset me the
44:02Brown family Nicole's parents and
44:04sisters were also at the recital and
44:06there were plans for a family dinner
44:08afterwards at Mezzaluna that local
44:11Italian restaurant they recall OJ asking
44:15to come along but Nicole said no what
44:19kind of frame of mind are you rooming I
44:21am tired
44:23I don't want to sleep I'm irritable when
44:26you get tired you get irritable and you
44:28write about chipping golf balls into the
44:30neighbor's yard you're right usually
44:32when I pick up golf balls the world
44:34disappears but this time I couldn't get
44:35her out of my head yeah I'm thinking
44:37about my kids and what Dr Fischman
44:42mentioned to me what comes next is OJ's
44:47hypothetical account of what he says
44:50happened on the night of the murders so
44:52Judith how did you shape this
44:55conversation around the hypothetical why
44:57hypothetical he felt that if he could
45:00claim that it was hypothetical at this
45:03point he would have deniability with the
45:06children that was what he said but from
45:08my point of view who would possibly do
45:12this
45:13even as a hypothetical unless they had
45:16committed the murders Oh Jay Simpson
45:19never took the stand at his criminal
45:21trial and has never given an interview
45:24about his actions on the night of the
45:26murders that is until now listen closely
45:29for the next sick
45:31uninterrupted minutes Oh Jay puts
45:33himself hypothetically at the scene of
45:36the crime the chapter chapter 6 is
45:40called the night in question and you
45:43write in the book now picture this and
45:44keep in mind that this is hypothetical
45:47hypothetical why don't you tell me what
45:50might have happened on the night of June
45:5112 1994 and let's just walk through the
45:55night first bites this is very difficult
45:57for me to do this it was very difficult
45:59for me because it's hypothetical I know
46:02and I accept the fact that people are
46:04gonna feel whatever were they gonna feel
46:06you know they're gonna you know some
46:11whatever whatever they want to feel in
46:14the book the hypothetical is Charlie
46:17Charlie this guy Charlie shows up the
46:22guy where we should become friends what
46:23and I don't know why you'd been buying a
46:28Cole's house but it told me you wouldn't
46:31believe what's going on over there and
46:34and I remember thinking about what I was
46:36going over there's got to stop right so
46:40we kind of hooked up together and you
46:42know I'm kind of broad stroking this we
46:45go over get in the Bronco and go over
46:47all right let's just go back and do the
46:49details where did you learn through the
46:50detail you party tonight but they don't
46:53go in the alley the park in the alley go
46:56and you put on a wool cap and gloves in
47:03the hypothetical I put on a cap and
47:06gloves right and you reached under the
47:10seat for a knife I always kept a knife
47:15in that car for the crazies and stuff
47:17cuz can't travel would have gone and I
47:20remember Charlie saying you ain't
47:21bringing that and I didn't I but I
47:23believe he took it Charlie took the
47:26knife still in the book yeah yes so the
47:30back gate you go through the back gate
47:32yes
47:34and it was open or broken or I don't
47:38recall okay I go to the front and I'm
47:40looking to see what's going on
47:43and I can see that it appears now you
47:47Nicole yeah I had candles all the time
47:50she really did to keep her overhead out
47:52of that thing and music was on and while
47:55I was there a guy shows up so Ron
47:57Goldman comes in the back end yeah yeah
48:00god I really didn't recognize I may have
48:02seen him around but I really didn't
48:04recognize him to be anyone and am I in
48:09the mood I was in I started having words
48:11with him she says to you I just came by
48:14to return a pair of glasses Judy left
48:15them at the restaurant
48:17yeah words to that effect yes and and I
48:21don't know if I believe it it didn't
48:23believe it it was pretty much immaterial
48:25because you know I was more concerned
48:28about everything that everything that
48:30was going on you know and fed up with it
48:34I guess you get into a fight Nicole
48:37comes out a verbal fight got a little
48:41loud and by that time Nicole had come
48:45out and we started having words about
48:48who is this guy why is he here what's
48:51going on and she says this is my house
48:52get that the F out of here yes and which
48:57I didn't like because once again this is
48:59the same person and if you read the book
49:01you'll see some things that happen in
49:02the two weeks leading up to this that
49:05were very very irritating you know and I
49:10think Charlie had followed this guy in
49:13one make sure it was no problem and he
49:15brought the knife as things got heated I
49:20just remember the cold fell and hurt
49:23herself and this guy kind of got into a
49:27karate thing and I said well you think
49:30you can kick my ass and I grabbed a
49:32knife I do remember that portion taking
49:35that night from Charlie and to be honest
49:37after that I don't remember you except
49:40I'm standing there and it's all kind of
49:42stuff around and
49:46what kind of stuff but and stuff around
49:49no I hate to say I know we got a backup
49:56again you wrote in the book I had never
50:07seen so much blood in my life covered
50:13you're covered the scene
50:14can you describe I I it's hard for me to
50:17describe it I'm telly I don't think any
50:19two people could be murdered the way
50:23they were without everybody been covered
50:26in blood and of course I think we've all
50:28seen the grisly pictures after so yeah I
50:31think everything was going would have
50:32been covered in blood and what goes
50:40through your mind at a time like that I
50:41don't know it's like what happened you
50:47write about removing a glove before
50:50taking the knife from Charlie yeah you
50:55know I had no conscious memory of doing
50:57that but obviously I must have because
50:59they found a glove there and blacking
51:03out have you ever blacked out before not
51:06to my knowledge no of course of course
51:09if something like this would take place
51:10in anybody's life if it were to happen I
51:13would imagine it's something that you
51:14would probably automatically have
51:17trouble wrapping your mind around it it
51:23was horrible it was absolutely are
51:30first thoughts Eve it's hard for you to
51:35even breathe I've been watching you as
51:36you watch this I have nothing to say
51:39about this absolutely nothing Chris well
51:51I think he's confessed to murder
51:57I think he's confessed to murder and if
52:07I had known he said this in 2006 I would
52:10not have objected to the release of his
52:13video I don't think that there's any
52:19question who his involvement in and that
52:23he is the person who was wildung the
52:24knife I mean he may try and describe it
52:27as a hypothetical but of course it
52:30becomes I I did this I felt this I saw
52:34this this notion of Charlie I think
52:40Charlie is OJ this is no hypothetical
52:44this is reality Judith who the heck is
52:47Charlie I don't know who Charlie is I
52:50wanted him to talk for me to start
52:56interrogating him and pushing him I felt
52:59he would get more agitated and he kept
53:01threatening to leave and not to finish
53:03the interview and I really wanted him to
53:07stay let's listen again to this
53:11disturbing portion of the interview
53:14mm I grabbed a knife I do remember that
53:17portion taking that night from Charlie
53:19and to be honest after that I don't
53:21remember you except I'm standing there
53:24and it's all kind of stuff around and
53:29what kind of stuff but and stuff around
53:32yeah I think and Eve I'm sorry but I I
53:38do want to go through what the coroner
53:40says happened because I think it's
53:43important
53:44to understand the specific details it
53:47was not as he describes exactly Nicole
53:53didn't fall she was hit on the head with
53:55the handle of the knife according to the
53:57coroner she was stabbed four times in
54:00the neck as she lay on the ground Ron
54:03Goldman arrived runs towards her he's
54:05grabbed by the killer who jabs him in
54:08the face five times with a knife and
54:10then slits his throat he gets loose but
54:14there's a perimeter fence so he's
54:16blocked and so the killer is able to
54:19catch him again and plunges a knife into
54:23his side and he severs his abdominal
54:25artery there defensive wounds on his
54:29hand so he was trying to protect himself
54:30and the killer alternated between the
54:34victims pulling Nicole's head by the
54:37hair and cutting very deeply into her
54:40throat and then going back over to Ron
54:43Goldman who according to the coroner was
54:46probably dead at that point and stabbing
54:48him your office described it as overkill
54:51at the time those details
54:55I think matter because they go to the
55:00viciousness of what happened that night
55:0537 years in criminal law I've never seen
55:09a crime scene that's horrific as this
55:14one do you think this is a confession
55:17Judith absolutely there's no doubt in my
55:21mind how he chose to do it is the way he
55:26chose to do it but he did it and that's
55:30his confession here you are you have it
55:35he's telling you I took off a glove I
55:37must have left my glove there let's
55:41listen again to the interview you write
55:44about removing a glove before taking the
55:47knife from Charlie yeah you know I had
55:51no conscious memory of doing that but
55:54obviously I must have because they found
55:56a glove there
55:5825 years of nonsense and now here he is
56:02to explain to all of the naysayers and
56:05all of the doubters that's my glove I
56:09left it
56:10nobody planted it nobody planted it
56:15you sound curious about the last 25
56:19years well she should be furious
56:25Denis Goldman's they should be furious
56:29you know I I'm watching TV one day and I
56:33see Kanye West wearing a t-shirt and it
56:35says free free oj well you free them and
56:47look what you freed coming up what
56:52happened with the bloody clothes in the
56:54book you described taking off your shoes
56:55your pants and your shirt and dropping
56:57it in a bundle remember that
57:00they're three sources of blood their
57:02frogs
57:03Nicole's and OJ's for the first time he
57:07tells us all the shocking details where
57:10the bloody clothes is somebody had to
57:11get rid of the bloody clothes next
57:22welcome back to this never-before-seen
57:24interview in which OJ Simpson has
57:26already revealed staggering first-hand
57:29details about the crime scene which he
57:32says are hypothetical you wrote in the
57:34book I had never seen so much blood in
57:36my life it's hard for me to describe it
57:41I'm telling I don't think any two people
57:43could be murdered the way they were
57:47without everybody been covered in blood
57:50then you see bloody footprints and you
57:53decide to take off yes excellent I
57:56believe Charlie kept saying we got to
57:57get out of here and in the book you
58:01described taking off your shoes your
58:03pants and your shirt and dropping it in
58:04a bundle do you remember that yes and
58:11remember what happens we're gonna do it
58:13yeah somebody's got to get rid of as you
58:16may have called you on the trial and
58:18said wear the bloody clothes so somebody
58:19had to get rid of the bloody clothes
58:21right and you had left your keys and
58:23wallet in your pants pocket and you had
58:26to go back and get it I think you know
58:29to be honest I think I know that to be
58:32true yes
58:32yes um and Charlie is hysterical
58:35screaming Jesus Christ are Jay Jesus
58:38Christ are you telling today he's in a
58:40panic he was in a panic and I'm telling
58:42them to shut up let's get out of here so
58:45you get back in the car you taken your
58:47clothes put the other bun and drove back
58:50and in a parked a block away cuz I knew
58:53the limo would be there and came across
58:55the back yard through the two tennis
58:57courts and you know came through the
58:59house so you went through the neighbours
59:01neighbours yeah
59:02tennis court and I had a tennis court
59:04and you go into the house and what
59:07happens in the house I ran upstairs take
59:12a shower I
59:13she says it took some of my bags and
59:15came back downstairs and put him out
59:17front
59:17Oh J was due to catch a late flight to
59:21Chicago where he was scheduled to play
59:23in a Hertz golf tournament - the next
59:25day and then I get dressed and I come
59:27back down and then you get in the car
59:29and go to the airport that's quick
59:31you sign autographs yeah and you wrote
59:35in the book that you were asleep before
59:38the plane took off
59:39virtually yeah early the next morning
59:42Oh J was awakened in his Chicago hotel
59:44room by a call from the LAPD when did
59:49you cut your finger to my knowledge
59:52really when I got the call the next
59:55morning and this is the truth when I got
59:59the call and next morning saying that
1:00:04Nicole had been murdered
1:00:06I'd been to was killed was dead I kept
1:00:08said what do you mean dead killed or
1:00:10whatever the words they use I said what
1:00:12do you mean and as well we can't tell
1:00:14you anything we're still investigating
1:00:17but where are you when can you get back
1:00:19here and I think I actually went in the
1:00:22bathroom and it was not on me I was I
1:00:24didn't really throw a glass I just was
1:00:27you know you you even when I was putting
1:00:29it down I just it just smashed you know
1:00:32police believed that the cuts on AJ's
1:00:35hand probably came from the fingernails
1:00:38of one of his victims I went downstairs
1:00:42I I was bleeding at that point that went
1:00:45downstairs and asked the lady on the
1:00:47desk for a band-aid and I knew that I
1:00:52signed so many autographs and even when
1:00:54I arrived the night before there was
1:00:59people and I sign autographs and I knew
1:01:01I wasn't bleeding in any way at that
1:01:03point but I knew when I was leaving I
1:01:04was like ran to the airport and I ended
1:01:08up forcing my way on a plane I'm sold
1:01:11out and somehow I told him that my wife
1:01:14had died and I gotta get out of here and
1:01:17they got me on you write in the book
1:01:18about speaking with Nicole's mother and
1:01:20her sister Denise yeah do you remember
1:01:22what that conversation was I think the
1:01:24least yelled at me
1:01:26than once yeah you wrote in the book
1:01:28that Denise yelled at you you brutal
1:01:30son-of-a-bitch filter I know you killed
1:01:32her
1:01:33yeah and what did you say to her
1:01:34although no the mutes and I never really
1:01:39had much of a a but then again she
1:01:42didn't have much of a thing with that
1:01:43with Nicole you know there was a lot of
1:01:46jealousy there let's start the beginning
1:01:49and Chris since you know this timeline
1:01:53of the crime so well what do you make of
1:01:55a J Simpsons version of what happened
1:01:58next what people need to remember about
1:02:01that crime scene is that there three
1:02:04sources of blood their DNA three sources
1:02:07of DNA on those bodies and in that in
1:02:11that Bronco and it's Ron's it's Nicole's
1:02:14and it's all J's so when he says that he
1:02:18didn't begin to bleed until he got to
1:02:20Chicago that's a complete that's a
1:02:22complete lie and then when he talks
1:02:23about the cut finger he says now this is
1:02:25the truth right I'm curious what that
1:02:27signal to you when somebody's speaking
1:02:29the truth
1:02:30they're just conveying information
1:02:31somebody who's lying has to then
1:02:34convince you that this lies true so
1:02:36you'll get overselling I wanted to ask
1:02:38you Eve at the end of that segment he
1:02:41says Nicole and Denise didn't have much
1:02:44of a relationship and then takes a dig
1:02:48and says jealousy she's always been
1:02:51protective of Nicole they were mutton
1:02:54Jeff growing up there's no such thing as
1:02:56jealousy within between the two that's
1:02:58just laughable so then what's the point
1:03:00of saying that right he goes out of his
1:03:02way to take a dig at Denise well because
1:03:06you know Denise was one of the the folks
1:03:08pointing a finger of guilt at him so you
1:03:10know it's just a little payback that's
1:03:12just the kind of guy yes so the police
1:03:15now are obviously eager to interview OJ
1:03:17Simpson and he heads back to Los Angeles
1:03:20we're gonna hear what he says happen
1:03:22next
1:03:22take a look so you get back to LA I get
1:03:26back to LA and and what now we're out of
1:03:29hypotheticals Yeah right
1:03:31I get back to LA and my lawyer and my
1:03:35assistant picked me up at the airport
1:03:36and we're driving
1:03:38and my lawyer he wants me to go to his
1:03:40office we need to get that office we
1:03:41need to discuss what's going on and I
1:03:45said no I spoke to the law after I spoke
1:03:47to the police officer and I told him I
1:03:50told he told me they needed to see me
1:03:52and for me to get home as quick as I can
1:03:54and I said no I say take me to the house
1:03:58and they said come on oj we need to sit
1:04:01down and this guy I said I don't care
1:04:02get me to the house so when we got to
1:04:04the house there was video everywhere we
1:04:07pulled up to the Rockingham gate I
1:04:09jumped out went to the gate that was
1:04:11uniformed officer there and told me yeah
1:04:13they handcuffed me
1:04:14that's the handcuffed me for what they
1:04:16said well I'm sorry I got my orders now
1:04:18the cops wanted to interview you and
1:04:20Howard Weitzman says mr. Simpson is in
1:04:22no condition to talk right now and you
1:04:24say no hey they need my help to find who
1:04:27did this
1:04:28I don't care and I've read I'm a I'm a
1:04:31voracious reader everybody knows I go
1:04:34two to three books a week you know now
1:04:38I'm reading all this fiasco stuff but
1:04:40political stuff but normally I read
1:04:43mystery books and I know don't talk to
1:04:45the Lord don't talk to him you know and
1:04:47if you talk to him you got to make sure
1:04:49it's recorded so I told him no I will
1:04:52talk to him I'll doing anything I could
1:04:54I could do to help them solve this case
1:04:57and you said in there I needed to know
1:04:59what they knew yeah tell me something
1:05:02nobody told me anything all right so I
1:05:04don't nobody told me anything I don't
1:05:06know what they know that giving me this
1:05:07runaround in any event I spoke to him I
1:05:10told him what I knew I told him
1:05:12everything about myself that they asked
1:05:15answered all their questions you always
1:05:22have problems with and I
1:05:30despite being briefly handcuffed oj was
1:05:33not under arrest and after being
1:05:35questioned by detectives at police
1:05:37headquarters
1:05:38he was released into the custody of his
1:05:40attorneys
1:05:43David I told you before he wasn't gonna
1:05:45say anything I know you got to ask the
1:05:46question but it was a breaker what was
1:05:49the hardest thing for you at that time
1:05:51that people you write in the book that
1:05:53you couldn't believe that people thought
1:05:54you were a murderer
1:05:55it was hard to believe that it seems so
1:05:57easy listen than the TV that week that
1:05:59it was that easy for people to believe
1:06:01that I could I could kill two people I
1:06:03thought that my whole life were meant
1:06:06something I thought the type of guy that
1:06:07I lived my life being pretty upstanding
1:06:09guy man like everybody had my faults
1:06:11like most men in in my position sometime
1:06:15temptations of the flesh is there you
1:06:17know but for the most part I've always
1:06:19thought I was a straight shooting
1:06:20straight shooter in any event that that
1:06:24was hard for me to accept that it was so
1:06:26easy for people to believe that with his
1:06:34house set rockingham under virtual siege
1:06:36from the media Oh Jay sought refuge at
1:06:39the home of his good friend Robert
1:06:41Kardashian where he was reunited with
1:06:44his children I want to talk about what
1:06:46you said to your kids the first time you
1:06:47saw them after the murders well you know
1:06:51I had asked Judy Brown not to tell the
1:06:53kids I felt that was my place to tell my
1:06:55kids I had to sneak out of my house the
1:06:58next day because it was like it was like
1:07:01Troy like the siege of Troy there and
1:07:05lawyer was able to get me out of the
1:07:07house and Al cowlings had gotten my kids
1:07:10and we had met up on Mulholland Drive
1:07:13and we're gonna go to Bob Kardashian's
1:07:15home and like I just would call my kids
1:07:18getting out of the car and running
1:07:20across this Holland Drive and jumping in
1:07:22my arms and I was trying to just find
1:07:24the right time to tell him right and
1:07:28right before was time to go to bed I
1:07:30read him a story and I had started to
1:07:33tell him about mom and what to tell him
1:07:35that mother had gone to heaven and but
1:07:37they sitting he said now I know their
1:07:39mom's in heaven and I think I don't I
1:07:45think I was in shock up to that point
1:07:47but I think that moment is when I broke
1:07:49down I mean literally broke down because
1:07:52the way she said it it was not like
1:07:54it was sort of sad but not she had no
1:07:57idea that she had lost a mother she had
1:07:59no idea how this was gonna affect her
1:08:01life she had no idea that you know it
1:08:03was almost like sweet mom's in heaven
1:08:05you know and I knew that this would have
1:08:09a profound effect on her life and I
1:08:11think that was the first time that I
1:08:15that the pain was almost unbearable I
1:08:18want to talk about the wake and you
1:08:21right I was so out of it that I actually
1:08:23remember thinking awake for whom who
1:08:25died yeah I mean I was dead put these
1:08:28drugs in me and I I mean they tell me I
1:08:31would sleep all the way there I don't
1:08:33even remember like the funeral I always
1:08:34tell everybody I'll remember the funeral
1:08:36I see pictures of Sidney and I kiss him
1:08:38seeing Nicole him leaning over and
1:08:40kissing her can you tell me that's right
1:08:42well no it was tough I just remember
1:08:44seeing it there and I still had so many
1:08:47feelings of if you're angry with a
1:08:53person upon their death when they die
1:08:55it's not like that anger disappears
1:08:57right and and and because of the 9-1-1
1:09:01call what I'm yelling at her about
1:09:03what's going on it was like I want it
1:09:06was almost like I want to say I told you
1:09:08didn't I tell you didn't I say to you
1:09:10you know it's whatever the hell was
1:09:12going on you know I mean did nice so you
1:09:14still got those kind of feelings in you
1:09:17and you still are trying to deal with
1:09:19I'm not gonna be able to say this to
1:09:21this person I'm never gonna be able to
1:09:23change this person's mind I'm never
1:09:25gonna have an effect on this person
1:09:26again what did you say to her when you
1:09:32leaned over and kissed him anything to
1:09:35be honest with you I'm told that I that
1:09:37some person said they're hurt me say I'm
1:09:38sorry I just recall Judy Brown pulled me
1:09:42over looking me in the eye and saying to
1:09:44me Oh Jay did you have anything to do
1:09:46with this and I know I told her no okay
1:09:49so a lot to dig in on that one of the
1:09:52most chilling things is he's so angry
1:09:55talking about an incident that happened
1:09:57seven months earlier that 911 is seven
1:10:01months before the funeral and he's
1:10:05reciting it as I told
1:10:08you didn't die right and he's saying
1:10:11I'll no longer be able to affect this
1:10:14person or or to change this person's
1:10:16mind that's what he's saying is he's
1:10:19standing over his dead ex-wife's body
1:10:23he's not thinking about the brutal way
1:10:26she was killed the suffering all he's
1:10:29talking about his is his anger and his
1:10:32inability to further control her and
1:10:35when he says you know didn't I tell you
1:10:37didn't I tell you didn't I tell you I'd
1:10:39kill your ass if you didn't do what I
1:10:42told you to do it really sounded like he
1:10:45was saying that right again he blames
1:10:48her and he's angry at her that he's
1:10:51still angry and he'd say and he he what
1:10:54he's essentially saying is that you know
1:10:57after you kill someone you'd think the
1:10:59anger would go away but it didn't I was
1:11:01still angry he's still angry at her
1:11:05absolutely control he had lost control
1:11:08and so he did what he had always said he
1:11:12would do he killed her
1:11:14now he has no control it didn't resolve
1:11:18anything for him coming up I can't
1:11:24believe what I'm seeing a nation stands
1:11:28still to watch a celebrity on the run I
1:11:30was being depicted as a fugitive on the
1:11:33radio
1:11:35hey man listen to what they're saying
1:11:37about me what was oj really thinking
1:11:40inside the Bronco that was so depressed
1:11:43at that point and I and I was having I
1:11:46would say probably suicidal thoughts
1:11:48next
1:11:55welcome back to OJ Simpson the lost
1:11:58confession wall oj spent most of his
1:12:01last week as a free man holed up at the
1:12:03house of his good friend Robert
1:12:05Kardashian
1:12:06his attorneys negotiated his surrender
1:12:08to police it was agreed that oj would
1:12:11turn himself in at 11:00 a.m. on June
1:12:1317th five days after the brutal murders
1:12:17but oj would never show up doesn't
1:12:20warrant issued for your arrest when you
1:12:23find out about this what do you do well
1:12:27once again I was so depressed at that
1:12:29point in a and I was having Nick I would
1:12:32say probably suicidal thoughts all I
1:12:34know is I want to see where she was
1:12:36buried and I wanted the pain to stop
1:12:39Oh Jays childhood friend al cowlings
1:12:42known as AC arrived at the Kardashians
1:12:45expecting to drive OJ to police
1:12:47headquarters it was at that time that we
1:12:51discovered for the first time that Oh
1:12:52Jay was not present
1:12:55al cowlings was not present and then I
1:12:59told me see they were waiting to take me
1:13:02to to jail that's a sea take me to to
1:13:04her gravesite damn Oh God come on go
1:13:07through that I actually said take me to
1:13:08her house but when we got there there
1:13:10were cops everywhere so I said take me
1:13:11to her gravesite why did you want to go
1:13:13to her house I don't know that's when
1:13:16she was last alive that's you know is
1:13:18you know I hadn't seen it I dunno I
1:13:20wanted to see what she was buried I knew
1:13:23I was gonna think you just knew this was
1:13:27gonna be a long ordeal I was in so much
1:13:30pain I just wanted it to stop I didn't
1:13:32think I could bear and I kept saying I
1:13:33can't be locked in a Cell right now my
1:13:35kids need me right now and 10:00 today
1:13:37and I was just I just wanted to paint
1:13:39the stuff so I said take me to her
1:13:42gravesite would with a lot of thoughts
1:13:44as I as we were going down there and
1:13:47talking to a see as we went down there
1:13:49what did you say
1:13:50just talked about life and you know
1:13:53remember that time you know stuff like
1:13:56you know three hours after the deadline
1:13:59for surrender had passed the LAPD held a
1:14:02press conference announcing that OJ
1:14:04Simpson having failed to turn himself in
1:14:07was now officially a fugitive the Los
1:14:11Angeles Police Department right now is
1:14:14actively searching for mr. Simpson
1:14:18Oh Jays attorneys held their own press
1:14:21conference to read from a startling note
1:14:24that OJ had handed his friend Robert
1:14:26Kardashian before getting into the car
1:14:28with AC to whom it may concern first
1:14:37everyone understand I had nothing to do
1:14:42with Nicole's murder
1:14:43I loved her always have and always will
1:14:49if we had a problem it's because I love
1:14:54her I loved her so much
1:14:56in the note that you left with Bob
1:14:59Kardashian yes you right if we had a
1:15:02problem it's because I loved her so much
1:15:04can you tell me what that means I loved
1:15:08her to know him you know and always
1:15:10loved her you know I I think what
1:15:13happened it became reverse of what she
1:15:14said to me when she wanted to divorce I
1:15:16loved her but I didn't like her I went
1:15:18over her that's what she had said to me
1:15:20to get a divorce and I kind of figured
1:15:22that's where we were at at the time of
1:15:24her death I loved it but I wasn't in
1:15:26love with her you know and to some
1:15:28degree I didn't really like her don't
1:15:30feel sorry for me I've had a great life
1:15:34great friends please think of the real
1:15:38OJ and not this lost person thanks for
1:15:44making my life special I hope I helped
1:15:47yours
1:15:48peace and love okay I want to talk about
1:15:53other things that you wrote in that note
1:15:54yes please think of the real OJ and not
1:15:57this lost person well if I don't get
1:15:59commit suicide you are certainly not a
1:16:02person who is together you know at that
1:16:06state in my life and I'm going to commit
1:16:08suicide I am obviously you know not the
1:16:12person that I wanted people to know me
1:16:14to be that I felt that I was so you know
1:16:18I thought I'd always been a pretty good
1:16:19guy I think I don't think any athlete
1:16:22had ever had the good will of the public
1:16:24that I had and certainly no better than
1:16:26the goodwill that I have had
1:16:28and then read short days from Monday to
1:16:31Friday or for short days just listening
1:16:35to the TV screens to see all that
1:16:40couldn't will evaporate it you know did
1:16:42you say anyways you know it's almost
1:16:45like you you were Ron and Nicole were
1:16:47were physically dead and it's almost
1:16:50like they killed me who I was was was
1:16:52attacked and murdered also in that short
1:16:55period of time and and in once again I
1:16:58to this day it bugs me that it seems
1:17:02that people wanted me to be guilty not
1:17:05really really bothers me by late
1:17:09afternoon the search for OJ had made
1:17:12television history local stations
1:17:15deployed choppers to hunt for the white
1:17:17Bronco and when they found it the nation
1:17:20was transfixed this is a special report
1:17:26from ABC News I'm Peter Jennings at ABC
1:17:29News headquarters let's immediately go
1:17:30to a picture in Los Angeles we're
1:17:32interrupting 20/20 the major TV networks
1:17:35went into special report mode breaking
1:17:37into regularly scheduled programming
1:17:39even interrupting the NBA Finals we will
1:17:43set up two NBC News
1:17:47Thank You Marvin we are looking at once
1:17:49again of pictures of al cowlings cars it
1:17:52makes it way along a freeway in Los
1:17:53Angeles in the south-central part of
1:17:56that area and we are told by the
1:17:58California Highway Patrol that OJ
1:18:00Simpson is in that car holding a gun to
1:18:03his head
1:18:04100 million Americans virtually half the
1:18:08country were glued to their televisions
1:18:10the vehicle is registered to al cowlings
1:18:13a former teammate close friend of OJ
1:18:15Simpson's who is the fugitive from
1:18:18justice now for more than two hours al
1:18:21cowlings navigated 75 miles of la
1:18:25freeways with his old friend hunkered
1:18:27down in the back want to go back to the
1:18:39Bronco and look good you can just give
1:18:41me some of the details of what what you
1:18:43said to each other and son there it
1:18:45wasn't a lot of conversation but
1:18:47basically it was just you had a gun yeah
1:18:50but it was in the bag in the back at
1:18:51that point with the pictures and stuff
1:18:53the police like to say it was with a
1:18:55passport I always have my passport there
1:18:57they said I had $10,000 I think I had
1:19:00like three dollars and something that
1:19:01changed it's a matter of fact when I was
1:19:02let out of jail after my trial and they
1:19:05were giving me all my things back all
1:19:07the stuff that was in the Bronco that
1:19:08was mine back I said where's the $10,000
1:19:11where's my two thousand dollars that you
1:19:13guys claim that I had right which is
1:19:14totally false in any event what are you
1:19:19thinking you're in the car I'm in the
1:19:22back of it still in the back of the
1:19:23trunk and I can't believe what I'm
1:19:26seeing
1:19:26because every time we go by
1:19:28intersections it was like where did
1:19:30these people get the time to make these
1:19:32signs go OJ and stuff and what was
1:19:35strange is is is is I had been I was
1:19:37being depicted as a fugitive on the
1:19:40radio but from the side of the roads it
1:19:42was more people cheering
1:19:45Oh J says what made him snap out of it
1:19:50and decide to bring the chase to a close
1:19:53was pride I just remember listening to
1:19:57the radio which think was dan Rather it
1:19:59really saved my life right because when
1:20:01he said that old Jay had a history
1:20:03police were at their house all the time
1:20:04eight or nine times that that was the
1:20:08first time that week that I kind of woke
1:20:09up hey man listen to what they're saying
1:20:12about me I say you see this is BS what
1:20:16they're doing here get me to my house
1:20:18right take me home and we immediately
1:20:21immediately call the police is he told
1:20:24him where we were where we were going as
1:20:27AC pulled the Bronco into OJ's driveway
1:20:30at Rockingham a standoff ensued as a
1:20:33police negotiator urged oj to put down
1:20:36the gun and exit the vehicle with his
1:20:38hands up we got to my house I saw a
1:20:43sniper on the roof and and I you know
1:20:45you get to fight it you know they've
1:20:46been telling you this they've been
1:20:48saying this stuff about you
1:20:49I got to fine it you know saw wouldn't
1:20:51you rock the car I was just mad until I
1:20:53saw my oldest son Jason run across the
1:20:56road and somebody grabbed him he says
1:20:59that's my father and then I say I gotta
1:21:00get out of this car I don't want him to
1:21:02get into the police now know where he is
1:21:06we have found him the door is opening
1:21:08and let's see what happens now Oh Jay
1:21:11Simpson is in custody has been
1:21:13transported here to Parker center he is
1:21:16being booked and processed that'll
1:21:17include prints mug shot he sounds very
1:21:23convincing when he talks about being
1:21:25suicidal and being desperate and being
1:21:27unhappy and wanting to end it and then
1:21:31when it gets to the part where he says
1:21:33they killed me what did you make of that
1:21:37he clearly was desperate physically and
1:21:40emotionally was going through that I
1:21:41think he was intending to kill himself
1:21:43but at the end when he's talking about
1:21:46him he's basically the victim here it's
1:21:49it's people thinking bad thoughts about
1:21:51him people not holding him up that's
1:21:54what's devastating to him he wasn't
1:21:55suicidal I don't believe it
1:21:57his his ex-wife the mother of his
1:22:00children was murdered brutally he wasn't
1:22:02suicidal because of that but because his
1:22:04image was damaged he says he woke up
1:22:07really when he realized he was getting
1:22:10bad press in the form of dan Rather
1:22:13laying out the domestic domestic
1:22:16violence that what gets him mad is that
1:22:19people would think he's a wife beater I
1:22:22think he's a very complicated person I
1:22:25think he's addicted to the limelight and
1:22:28one of the things that I noted about his
1:22:31behavior at the time halfway through the
1:22:34interview he leaned over to me when we
1:22:37were taking a break and he said when you
1:22:39came here today you didn't think you'd
1:22:42like me but I changed your mind didn't I
1:22:46and at no point did he ever acknowledge
1:22:49or really understand the gravity of his
1:22:53actions so the police take OJ downtown
1:22:56to be booked put on suicide watch listen
1:22:59to how he describes that experience what
1:23:02was jail like for him in begin it was
1:23:05tough because I'm a talker I'm a guy
1:23:07that spends his life his whole life
1:23:09socializing and most people don't
1:23:12realize that I was in solitary
1:23:13confinement the full 17 months I was
1:23:15there one of the sergeant's would go out
1:23:18his way sometime to talk to me through
1:23:20the cell but I had no one to talk to
1:23:22from morning to night what was that in
1:23:24the beginning you know obviously was
1:23:26horrible you are so at the mercy of
1:23:29you're jealous for instance the first
1:23:31time I had to make an appearance in
1:23:33court I looked so bad I had no tie on
1:23:36but what the public don't know is they
1:23:38woke me up every 15 minutes they rattled
1:23:42my cell turn on the likes their alleged
1:23:45I was on suicide watch but all night
1:23:47long they woke me up they made sure I'd
1:23:50sat up in bed and looked at him now you
1:23:53go through that all night long and see
1:23:55what you look like that day in court and
1:23:57I look I look horrible
1:24:04and expenses charges with your lawyer
1:24:06service at this time he was genetically
1:24:10guilty or not guilty
1:24:14apart from his arraignment Oh Jay would
1:24:17not be seen again until his trial began
1:24:20six months later you were looking at
1:24:23inmate number forty one zero three nine
1:24:25seven o oj simpson up next Oh chase
1:24:31reaction to the trial of the century
1:24:33says there's no way they can convict me
1:24:35of this why he's still mad at Nicole
1:24:38I've cursed up a bit torrid cream
1:24:41sighted why what their help and why he
1:24:44agreed to tell all
1:24:55tonight you've heard Oh Jay Simpson tell
1:24:58us hypothetically what he says happened
1:25:01the night Nicole Brown Simpson and her
1:25:04friend Ronald Goldman were murdered next
1:25:07he tells us what he really thought of
1:25:08the trial of the century and why he is
1:25:11still angry with his late ex-wife
1:25:20are you ready to enter a plea at this
1:25:22time
1:25:24how do you plead to count 1 & 2 the Los
1:25:36Angeles County District Attorney has
1:25:38just filed murder charges against a
1:25:40rental James OJ Simpson for nearly a
1:25:43year the so called trial of the century
1:25:45was must-see TV there is an amazing
1:25:48ravenous appetite for information about
1:25:50OJ Simpson in 1995 just three years
1:25:53after the LA riots the debate over AJ's
1:25:56guilt or innocence divided America
1:25:59across racial lines the right people
1:26:01excuse me but that's the way I feel
1:26:03about this year's situation trying to
1:26:05set the brother left the prosecution was
1:26:07confident they had a slam-dunk case I've
1:26:10never had a case with so much evidence
1:26:11in my entire life
1:26:13traces of the victim's blood was found
1:26:15in Simpsons car and at his home and it's
1:26:19the kind of evidence that causes
1:26:20defendants to be convicted you guys
1:26:22thought you had a slam-dunk case Marcia
1:26:24Clark said I have never tried a case
1:26:28with so much evidence she sounded
1:26:30incredibly confident contrary to what
1:26:33people might think you know we were
1:26:35seasoned veterans in the DA's office and
1:26:37we understood that there's more to a
1:26:39trial than just the evidence the first
1:26:41time I talked to Marcia Clark about this
1:26:43case she said I have all of this
1:26:45evidence the only problem now is if I
1:26:47can get someone to believe it this case
1:26:50is a circus and they've made it a focus
1:26:53the mostly african-american jury did not
1:26:56believe it
1:26:57after simpson's dream team of lawyers
1:26:59successfully took advantage of a series
1:27:01of police and prosecution missteps
1:27:03including testimony about a key
1:27:05detective using a racial slur she said
1:27:09the only good is it dead if it doesn't
1:27:14fit you must equip it created reasonable
1:27:18doubt that Oh Jay Simpson had committed
1:27:21the murders all right mr. Simpson would
1:27:23you please stand and face the jury we
1:27:28the jury in the above-entitled action
1:27:29find the defendant Orenthal James
1:27:32Simpson not guilty of a crime of murder
1:27:34in violation of Penal Code section
1:27:41so eleven months of trial here's how Oh
1:27:46J describes to you Judith how he heard
1:27:49about the verdict what did you think of
1:27:53the verdict when the jury came back into
1:27:55the room I felt that if there's anything
1:27:57right with the universes there's no way
1:27:58they can convict me of this right and
1:28:02we're not talking hypothetically that's
1:28:04how I felt there was a lot of talk that
1:28:07that somebody who to verdict came to my
1:28:10cell and told me the night before which
1:28:13is totally BS every ship everybody that
1:28:16I came in contact with at the jail which
1:28:18was run by the Sheriff Department told
1:28:20me I was going home from the moment Mark
1:28:22Fuhrman got off the stand when Van adder
1:28:24and Fuhrman testified all the guys that
1:28:28did yell said to me whoever was watching
1:28:30me at the time said you may add in it
1:28:32you may not I did it but what you're
1:28:33going on the minute the jury knows these
1:28:35cops are lying and they're lying and
1:28:37they do not convict if they think police
1:28:40officers might what was your reaction
1:28:41when you heard I told all the lawyers on
1:28:43at all the lawyers we met and I said I
1:28:45don't want any celebrating and I told my
1:28:48mother that the night before I and my
1:28:50sisters I don't know celebrating because
1:28:52two people are still dead and I don't
1:28:55need anybody celebrating if the verdict
1:28:57is positive towards me
1:29:02most Americans continue to believe that
1:29:04Oh Jay Simpson got away with murder but
1:29:08some still maintain that he is innocent
1:29:10a victim of racist cops and the media
1:29:13and even though he was acquitted in the
1:29:17criminal trial Oh Jay didn't get off
1:29:20scot-free in 1997 a jury found him
1:29:23liable for the double murders in a civil
1:29:26trial he was ordered to pay the victims
1:29:28families 30 3.5 million dollars in
1:29:31damages the money is not the issue it
1:29:34never has been it's been making certain
1:29:36that one man the man that murdered my
1:29:39son and Nicole is held responsible by a
1:29:42court of law
1:29:43and it's happened do you feel that
1:29:46you've lived the life of a convicted man
1:29:48in many ways thank God the public has
1:29:51not forced me to live that way the
1:29:52media's tried but the public hasn't so
1:29:56it's it's a curious that I go places and
1:29:59the public will come up to me hug me ask
1:30:05me how the kids are going you're right
1:30:07in the book I realized that with respect
1:30:09to your children and telling your
1:30:10children I realized that neither of them
1:30:12really understood what had happened to
1:30:13Nicole let alone the long-term effects
1:30:15that her death would have on their lives
1:30:17huh
1:30:18what long-term effect has it had um well
1:30:21you know I see it it's you know I don't
1:30:24like talking about my kids I gotta make
1:30:26it clear then and my kids have told me
1:30:28dad you said you wanted to talk about us
1:30:29don't talk about us but I will go so far
1:30:31as you say this [ __ ] me especially I had
1:30:35enough time with her mother to establish
1:30:37a work ethic no she was accepted in
1:30:40every college that she applied to they
1:30:44both went to the schools of their choice
1:30:45they're both in college well what these
1:30:48kids have gone through even if they
1:30:50hadn't gone through it I can't imagine
1:30:51having two better kids do you talk to
1:30:55them about their mother and that's
1:30:57something that my kids asked me not to
1:30:58discuss there's nobody's business and
1:31:00just to say that you know my I feel
1:31:03totally loved about my kids they know
1:31:05that they're very loved
1:31:07Sydney Simpson was only nine when her
1:31:10mother was murdered on the front steps
1:31:12of their home at Bundy Drive her brother
1:31:14Justin was six they were asleep upstairs
1:31:18that night and police woke them and took
1:31:21them out the back door so they didn't
1:31:23have to see the crime scene we don't
1:31:26know what their relationship with their
1:31:27father is like today but oj says he has
1:31:30never tried to erase Nicole's memory do
1:31:35you have a picture of Nicole at home on
1:31:37the wall yeah
1:31:38no it's in the living room it's Nicole
1:31:40me and the kids it was the last real
1:31:42group picture we took together so it's
1:31:44right there provident in my living room
1:31:45my kids keep pictures of her in their
1:31:48room do you believe in heaven and hell
1:31:49yes do you believe that you're gonna see
1:31:51Nicole some yes you do and my mother my
1:31:54dad I sure does sure he did and what
1:31:56what will you say to her you know I
1:31:59never thought of that I was a hugger
1:32:01she you know if there is a heaven
1:32:04there's a help they know I won't explain
1:32:06anything if they know that's what heaven
1:32:09and hell is all about do you ever talk
1:32:11to her in your mind uh no I pray to it I
1:32:14got on my knees and Satan I look I've
1:32:18cursed uh I've been to her cream Satan
1:32:20why what the hell these kids look at
1:32:24Sydney with no mother you know I've done
1:32:27that I've done that that is what most
1:32:33domestic abuse partners do they connect
1:32:36violence and love may I add something
1:32:40now that all makes sense because I
1:32:42remember during that time the family got
1:32:46a call from the cemetery and said he's
1:32:49here and they said excuse me and they
1:32:52said he's here and and we're scared cuz
1:32:56he's screaming that Nicole's grave she's
1:33:00just screaming at it and the family said
1:33:04well call the police
1:33:05did you know that no no I've never I've
1:33:10never heard that before you know he's
1:33:12really revealed himself
1:33:14within a year of that 2006 interview
1:33:16with Judith Regan OJ was in trouble
1:33:19again this is the state of Nevada versus
1:33:21Orrin Thal James Simpson arrested in Las
1:33:24Vegas for armed robbery and what he
1:33:26maintains was an ill-conceived plan to
1:33:29recover sports memorabilia that he
1:33:31claimed belonged to him he was sentenced
1:33:33to 33 years in prison but was paroled
1:33:36after only nine and released last
1:33:39October I basically has spent a
1:33:42conflict-free life mr. Simpson I do vote
1:33:47to grant parole thank you how do you
1:33:52think you will be remembered you know we
1:33:57talk in this book about hypotheticals
1:33:59you understand what I'm saying I mean
1:34:01everybody is gonna give their opinion
1:34:03they're gonna pop the sizable what this
1:34:06book means you know he was guilty or he
1:34:09was purging his guilt whatever you want
1:34:12to take from it I cannot control it we
1:34:15cannot control what you think my friends
1:34:18and family know that so whichever reason
1:34:21why I did it you decide you really you
1:34:24decide any thoughts you know he thinks
1:34:29he's so clever
1:34:30he's so manipulative he's all of these
1:34:33things but at the end of the day he
1:34:36doesn't really manipulate anybody
1:34:37because who he is is on full display
1:34:41just hearing from OJ Simpson bring you
1:34:45any closure or does that bring Denise
1:34:47any closure I don't think you couldn't
1:34:49bring closure unless you can bring
1:34:50Nicole back all I really care about is
1:34:53that Nicole gets a decent understanding
1:34:58here what would you like people to
1:35:00remember about Nicole Brown Simpson just
1:35:05the sweetest the most decent the moral
1:35:11compass of a lot of us
1:35:15an incredible mom she was a really good
1:35:19person
1:35:20thank you all for this conversation I
1:35:23know it's been difficult I know it's
1:35:25it's been really grueling actually but I
1:35:28appreciate all your insight today Oh Jay
1:35:32Simpson lives in Las Vegas and is a free
1:35:35man they're the ones that abandoned me
1:35:37but 12 years ago as the intense
1:35:39interview wound down Oh Jay Simpson
1:35:42showed some regret anything else okay no
1:35:48all right good yeah I'm done guys I try
1:35:53my best here
1:35:54no we've done what I need to do okay
1:35:57is it hard to feel like Spanish no it's
1:36:01just that this portion here just you
1:36:03know I love that girl yeah
1:36:05it's harder it's too but is what it is
1:36:14you've listened to him for nearly two
1:36:17hours and many of you may think you've
1:36:19heard a confession but there will also
1:36:21be viewers who have always believed in
1:36:23OJ Simpson's innocence and still do
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