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No-Dig Gardening Masterclass with Charles Dowding — Transcript

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  1. 0:00Today I'm at a garden I've been  looking forward to visiting for years
  2. 0:04and I don't think it is an exaggeration to say
  3. 0:06that this is one of the most highly  regarded vegetable gardens in the world
  4. 0:12and it's all down to the  humble yet famous gardener
  5. 0:15who's created it over the  past decadem Charles Dowding.
  6. 0:19Charles hello
  7. 0:20Oh hi Ben.
  8. 0:22For those of you who don't know him,  Charles is the absolute granddaddy of no dig
  9. 0:26or no till gardening, which is the  very simplest, yet most effective way
  10. 0:31to grow vegetables that more  and more gardeners are adopting.
  11. 0:35This guy has a wealth of knowledge and  experience built over years of experimentation
  12. 0:40so I think we're going to  learn a few things today.
  13. 0:43I can recognize this straight away,  this is the dig and no dig bed
  14. 0:46which is kind of the hub of proving your  point that you don't need to dig the soil.
  15. 0:52Why no dig for those who  might not appreciate that?
  16. 0:55Well it's partly why I've got this experiment  here, it's for me to learn more about soil
  17. 1:01and about digging actually  cause I don't do it much,
  18. 1:03this is the only dig bed in the whole  place and it's teaching me a lot
  19. 1:07about why I do no dig which is that  we get earlier, more abundant crops
  20. 1:11as you can see this is no dig here, dig bed there.
  21. 1:15We get better drainage in wet  weather, we get fewer slugs
  22. 1:19and also I had to replace quite  a few lettuce on the the dug bed
  23. 1:23cause the slugs have been much more  damaging there compared to here.
  24. 1:27So do you think by digging the soil  you're creating more crevices and cracks
  25. 1:31for the slugs to hide in, is that the theory here?
  26. 1:34I think it's more to do with biology
  27. 1:35that you're damaging things like the  ground beatles, which eat slug eggs.
  28. 1:39I mean I've only learned that  myself in the last few years,
  29. 1:41you know I've kind of done this without  necessarily knowing all the details why
  30. 1:45but I discovered more and more of the reasons
  31. 1:47and soil analysis showing how  you get a better crumb structure
  32. 1:51so that's why rain flows through better
  33. 1:53but why it also holds moisture better  and roots can get in there more easily.
  34. 1:57And I guess adding all the organic  matter on top not digging it,
  35. 2:00you're getting a lovely kind of  rich spongy texture aren't you,
  36. 2:05that sort of drains better I guess in wet  weather, but also retains the moisture better.
  37. 2:10It's fantastic for clay soils you know,  people often ask, oh does no dig work on clay?
  38. 2:14But actually that's the best soil for it  cause it makes life so much easier for you
  39. 2:18and actually clay soil is really  good it's just difficult to work.
  40. 2:23[Music}
  41. 2:26Charles I can really see the difference here  with these luscious kind of fullsome onions here
  42. 2:31and these guys which will catch up I'm sure,
  43. 2:33but you reckon that's obviously  cause you've not dug this bed
  44. 2:38and the organic mass is just added on top in  what, the autumn or winter for these beds here?
  45. 2:43December. December okay. It's  kind of copying nature you know
  46. 2:46how you've got a leaf fall or plants  dying, but it never gets dug in.
  47. 2:51It's the same amount of compost in both  beds, so that one has the compost dug in,
  48. 2:55two wheelbarrow fulls for this  much and that one has it on top.
  49. 2:59But I had a PhD researcher here recently
  50. 3:02and he was looking at the  carbon content of these two beds
  51. 3:05and guess what that one has a lot - 14%. 14, wow!
  52. 3:09Yeah compared to farmland would be  about 2%. Wow! that's incredible!
  53. 3:14Maybe pasture land might be 5-6%,  so 14 there, but this one has 18%.
  54. 3:1918%! that's crazy! That's from the  same amount being added every year.
  55. 3:23So what's happened to the 4% difference  just could have gone back into the ...
  56. 3:27I think it's lost in oxidation  through the digging process.
  57. 3:31So I suppose carbon is the biggest  visual sign of how well this is working
  58. 3:37because it's staying in there,  that carbon staying in the soil
  59. 3:40and that's obviously helping with  all the soil life and and so on.
  60. 3:43Yeah exactly, carbon is the building block  of plant growth, of everything in the soil.
  61. 3:48It's the fuel for soil organisms so  the more we can have in the soil,
  62. 3:52as I understand it anyway,  the better. Makes sense!
  63. 3:55These beds here pretty much sum up the  entire case for no dig or no till gardening.
  64. 4:00Charles you were telling me that  this row here is forked and disturbed
  65. 4:05to help aerate it, the traditional kind of  folklore if you like, and then the rest is no dig.
  66. 4:10What's the difference here between yields?
  67. 4:12Ah well, in the first 10 years of  doing this, we've harvested 8% less
  68. 4:19from where we fork the soil, just putting  in a fork once a year to loosen or aerate.
  69. 4:23Isn't that funny cause you feel like your gut's  telling you, well that's the right thing to do
  70. 4:26you're introducing air, you're loosening  it up, that has to work surely.
  71. 4:29Probably breaking the mycelial network.
  72. 4:32You know it's it's shattering a lot of fungal  threads that we now know are really important.
  73. 4:36You say that vegetables like growing in little  groups together don't they, like companionship
  74. 4:42Yeah they're like friends, and for me that's  companion planting if you like, you know,
  75. 4:45companionship of being close  to another. Absolutely yeah.
  76. 4:48You're a bit of a troublemaker  in the vegetable growing world
  77. 4:50cause you like to blow up myths and all  sorts, and one of those is crop rotation
  78. 4:55which is a little bit controversial.
  79. 4:57These potatoes here, they've been growing in  the same piece of ground for how many seasons?
  80. 5:02This is year 10. Year 10, that's insane!
  81. 5:05I grew up on a conventional dairy farm and and  I have to almost fight myself a bit every spring
  82. 5:10I'm planting the potato in the same  place and yet over 9 years of doing that
  83. 5:14the health of the plants has not  deteriorated at all. I mean great harvests,
  84. 5:18the harvests haven't gone down, and I even keep  my own potato seed from the harvest to replant.
  85. 5:24I'm a bit concerned about alium leaf  miner which has only just arrived here
  86. 5:27and I don't quite know, what do we get, a new  pest you know and how does one adapt to it.
  87. 5:31In fact the lettuce beyond there, that's the  eighth year in a row of lettuce in the same place,
  88. 5:36They're super healthy plants. Last year we  got 62 kilos from that amount of plants.
  89. 5:4262 kilos! That's like, that's the weight of,  it's the weight of an adult isn't it! That's mad!
  90. 5:53This is the hub of the garden obviously and  look at this thermometer it's at 65 celsius
  91. 5:59What's that in Fahrenheit? Well  it's very hot that's what it is!
  92. 6:02One of the questions I want to ask, this  has got so much organic matter on it
  93. 6:06and you add what, sort of an inch or 3cm  every year, do you produce all of it yourself?
  94. 6:10Because obviously a lot of the foods being  eaten and going off site with people.
  95. 6:14How much of it is created here and imported?
  96. 6:18By volume it looks to be about two  thirds I reckon that I'm making.
  97. 6:22Of that I'm actually importing  some wood chip to make it as well,
  98. 6:26so the materials, it might be about  half the materials coming from here,
  99. 6:29which is not coming only from the  vegetable garden, but hedgerows that we cut
  100. 6:34and also Ben, I'm totally happy to put weeds  on the compost heap like docks, buttercups,
  101. 6:41I guess when it's getting up  to that sort of temperature.
  102. 6:44Well that helps but actually I've  done bindweed in a cold compost heap
  103. 6:47and it's not Invincible you know, it  will if you keep putting new stuff on top
  104. 6:51even if your heap's not hot  eventually it runs out of juice.
  105. 6:54I guess so yeah. But that's pretty  good though, like half the material.
  106. 6:57And yeah I'm happy and I'm selling a lot
  107. 7:00and you know my customers don't  return their their poo obviously.
  108. 7:04What I find with these heaps here  cause this is quite a big operation,
  109. 7:08bigger than most people  might want in their gardens
  110. 7:10and these get a bit too hot and  a bit anaerobic in the middle
  111. 7:14and that's why I got this pipe  here. I see get some air in there.
  112. 7:17Yeah particularly once we finished  adding which will be fairly soon.
  113. 7:21I don't know if you can see it  look, steam coming out there.
  114. 7:23Cook your porridge in there I'm sure!
  115. 7:25We use the same principle and we turn only  once but that helps to get a bit more air in.
  116. 7:32But I've got the pallet  bays up there. Oh yes, yes.
  117. 7:34We line the sides with cardboard that  helps to keep the warmth and moisture in.
  118. 7:39It's beautifully low tech isn't it cause  these you can pick up pretty cheaply,
  119. 7:42pretty widely available just  about still, cardboard obviously,
  120. 7:45plenty of Amazon deliveries  and then you've got your stuff.
  121. 7:49The only difference, well it's smaller, but also  it hasn't got a roof over while we're making it.
  122. 7:55I really value the roof to keep the rain out. I  see, so once you filled it then the roof goes on.
  123. 8:01Exactly. So how old is this stuff in  here then? This is six or seven months.
  124. 8:05Right, wow! Look at that. Is it weird to say  it just smells so beautiful. Look at that.
  125. 8:15And some worms in there. Yeah they're  turing it into worm cast. Properly alive.
  126. 8:19So that's what we turned into here,  from there, about two months ago
  127. 8:23and this one was the heap that was  being made while that was happening
  128. 8:27and has now been maturing for about  six weeks since we finished it.
  129. 8:32We'll turn that from here on to the middle.
  130. 8:36[Music]
  131. 8:38What's under here Charles? It feels like  we're unwrapping a beautiful present.
  132. 8:41This my wormery. Oh yeah,  wow! Anaerobic coming in.
  133. 8:47So I'm giving them anything really,  stuff which is half decomposed,
  134. 8:51The result I want is the worm cast  cause I've noticed with potting compost
  135. 8:56it really improves if you can get some. I see,  so this is super, super concentrated compost.
  136. 9:02Full of enzymes and you know when  you're making potting compost
  137. 9:06you need it concentrated  cause you're not using much,
  138. 9:08and one little cell is growing amazing plants,  so the worm casts are brilliant for that
  139. 9:12but only about 10%, I just keep  it in balance as far as possible
  140. 9:17and actually here in this bin  we've got some of this compost
  141. 9:21as well as some of our other  homemade compost. Oh wow!
  142. 9:26And apart from being a bit wet it's  looking pretty nice. Looks gorgeous, wow.
  143. 9:33I see you've obviously had to put up the  armory like everyone else against pests
  144. 9:37and you've got this here for what carrot  fly obviously? Also rabbits actually.
  145. 9:42I've got rabbits here and this is  definitely one of their favorite foods
  146. 9:46so it's standard Enviromesh and before that  I lost the first showing here to slugs.
  147. 9:53Oh really, it's reassuring to know that  you lose crops to pests like that as well.
  148. 9:59I see very few, but I do find carrots are the  most difficult aren't they, the seeds are so tiny.
  149. 10:04Sometimes you have to resow a few times to pick  that window of when finally they'll take off.
  150. 10:08Absolutely and as you can see  it's mostly successful this time.
  151. 10:11One of my big problems is leaf miner.  My chard and beetroot every year,
  152. 10:15it's more cosmetic but it is just relentless.  Yeah, I don't have an answer for that.
  153. 10:21But I do find here, maybe because it's a bit  bigger garden, it kind of dilutes the pests.
  154. 10:28Do you think a bit more air flow as well  helps, blow them through? Absolutely,
  155. 10:32and the same with carrot root fly even,  actually I think more wind blowing through
  156. 10:35can be good, so in a small  garden it's more difficult.
  157. 10:37Mine's very sheltered so I  think that's the problem.
  158. 10:40[Music]
  159. 10:43Charles, I see we've got  some rust here on the garlic,
  160. 10:46do you think these will come good? They're  pretty healthy plants otherwise aren't they.
  161. 10:51They've grown very well yeah, they went in  the ground on the 30th September actually
  162. 10:55and I sowed mustard at the same  time which grew up really fast
  163. 10:58You can see kind of residues of it here  can't you? Yeah that's it, killed by frosts.
  164. 11:01And you've also got celeriac in there as well,  it's really cramming so much in, this is amazing.
  165. 11:07Yeah absolutely pack it in. But the rust, I was  stripping a bit off here, horrible isn't it?
  166. 11:11Yeah. But it's just depressing the final harvest
  167. 11:13cause it means there's less  green leaves on the plant.
  168. 11:15But because they've had a long time to grow
  169. 11:17and they've got quite fat  stems, so I'll get a harvest ok.
  170. 11:20But I've got some in the  polytunnel which I do deliberately
  171. 11:23cause it doesn't get so much rust in there
  172. 11:24and they're definitely bigger and  stronger and they'll mature anyway.
  173. 11:27Its just the sheer moistness of  the air out here do you think?
  174. 11:30It's something like that actually yeah, constant  rain in the spring seems to make it worse.
  175. 11:36At least we'll be getting a good  crop from them nevertheless.
  176. 11:39Charles this is such a beautiful area,  but you're telling me this was pasture
  177. 11:44just, what, three or four months ago?
  178. 11:46Yeah late January, now it's 20th May. So basically  what we do is actually mow it a bit first
  179. 11:51that's just to make the ground  easier to level out the compost.
  180. 11:56I got a two ton lorry drop two tons of  green waste compost in the middle there
  181. 12:00so actually that made it quite quick to spread  maybe just over an inch or so, inch and a half
  182. 12:05and then another lorry came along with  two cubic meters of mushroom compost
  183. 12:09which also is spread on top.
  184. 12:11Which one's superior in your  opinion and and why the mix?
  185. 12:14Well I prefer the mushroom compost  it's got a bit more nutrition
  186. 12:17but green waste compost varies so much  and actually the guy who brings mine
  187. 12:20is pretty good, very little plastic.  It's seived to 10mm so it's quite fine.
  188. 12:25Then we put the plastic on top but because  even in February in the warm February
  189. 12:30the weeds were growing through that much  compost which is about 3 inches maybe
  190. 12:34and so already you could see  they were just reestablished
  191. 12:37cause you know we're going from a really  weedy parcel of strong plants to this
  192. 12:42and so the plastic is just  making sure the weeds die.
  193. 12:45Earlier this week, I have help here, I got a  full-time guy and and another helper some days
  194. 12:52so they rolled back the plastic and what did  we find? just like tons of slugs and snails.
  195. 12:57Oh no! So there was a big harvest  of those to get it all cleared up.
  196. 13:01You're literally walking through just  handpicking them to kind of clear it a bit.
  197. 13:05Yeah, yeah. This is old  plastic, this is four years old
  198. 13:08and it's got the planting holes  from the previous years already,
  199. 13:11so we we've got another sheet on top  to cover the holes in the plastic.
  200. 13:15And it was between the two plastics, tons  of these slugs - anyway they sorted that out
  201. 13:19and put the single sheet back and we've used the  same holes, put in these plants five days ago
  202. 13:24so these these plants are only  three and a half weeks old actually
  203. 13:27the squash and the the corn which is for dry corn  in fact. Is it? All right, like so dent corn.
  204. 13:33So what squash variety is it? This  is Crown Prince and Kuri up that end,
  205. 13:39so early harvest there and later harvest here.
  206. 13:43I mean I'm no fan of using plastic more than I  need to, but this being like a four-year-old sheet
  207. 13:49I mean you can see it's got  plenty of life left in it yet.
  208. 13:52Yeah, it's UV treated so it doesn't degrade fast.
  209. 13:56And what will you be doing with the dried  corn, grind it up, make your own polenta? Yeah.
  210. 14:02It;s Painted Mountain so it's ...Oh it's  the pretty kind of glass gem one isn't it?
  211. 14:06The kind of colorful one. Yeah.
  212. 14:08I mean normally I start no dig with  cardboard on weeds and compost on top.
  213. 14:13So accessible to everyone,  everyone's got cardboard.
  214. 14:16And the cardboard decomposes within about  two months, so here just for example
  215. 14:19four months ago, this was just for  a demo, I got this little patch
  216. 14:23and I put cardboard on and only 2in/5cm compost.
  217. 14:27We did need to remove two or three  dandelions cause they're so vigorous here
  218. 14:31and they were growing through. Using a trowel  get out most of the root, but not all of it.
  219. 14:35And the other thing I'm  noticing Charles is down here,
  220. 14:37that's an incredibly attractive  edge you've got here,
  221. 14:40how do you keep these all so  clean like that those edges?
  222. 14:43Okay well, firstly it does help to keep  the grass short, so mowing once a week
  223. 14:47reduces the vigor of the plant  roots trying to come in but yeah
  224. 14:53they're always moving aren't they, so either  long handle shears every two weeks say
  225. 14:58and then maybe every month, using the half moon.
  226. 15:01So it's just a question of getting the  half moon out and just being meticulous.
  227. 15:04You can go along almost at walking speed you  know just it's not a deep cut it's just a sliver.
  228. 15:12[Music]
  229. 15:15Wow. Charles I've seen this  from so many of your own videos,
  230. 15:19this is really the nub of it all and  you've got so much in here. Look, oh wow.
  231. 15:24Well I'm really aware of the importance  of space management in propagation
  232. 15:30and how I think many module trays  and cells are too big actually.
  233. 15:35Cause look at this, this is French beans  they were probably sewn about two weeks ago
  234. 15:39there's 60 cells in that plug tray.
  235. 15:42Many people think that's way too small  for a bean seed but yeah obviously not.
  236. 15:48These are pretty much ready to go in. Yeah  they've got a great root system haven't they.
  237. 15:51Just about two weeks old. Lovely  stuff. And they pop out easily
  238. 15:55this a feature of the tray I designed you  know, I want this to be just totally practical
  239. 16:00I never wash or clean them between  uses, use them many times in a year.
  240. 16:03See that astonishes me, I've heard  you say this before - I never clean
  241. 16:06and there'll be people there with the  cleaning fluid, the Jeyes fluid or something
  242. 16:10washing them out and making  sure there's no disease left on
  243. 16:12but you're breaking another rule aren't you.
  244. 16:14Yeah, microbes are good they all  inter-relate and everything like that
  245. 16:17and big seeds, so peas, we are  doing, we do multisown beetroots,
  246. 16:21multisown onions in these  as well and I overfill them.
  247. 16:24You can see that see it's really  overflowing, you don't brush it of?
  248. 16:27No, it was so funny I was teaching  a group last summer and one of them
  249. 16:30was doing one of the trainings in  horiculture, the qualification,
  250. 16:34and she said oh I'd be failed  for filling a tray like that!
  251. 16:40But I want to get more compost  in there. Makes sense doesn't it.
  252. 16:44What are these here? What's here spring onions?
  253. 16:47Well leeks actually, look  very similar, multisown leeks.
  254. 16:50There's another great example of multisowing,  you've got sort of up to what, six seedlings there
  255. 16:54Yeah, I'll thin them out a bit. I want four.
  256. 16:58So it's about at this stage I'll take a  few out like that and get down to four
  257. 17:02but on anything between two and four, but  that means in there, say on average three,
  258. 17:06You've got 180 leaks. Wow. In that  size of an A4. Amazing isn't it
  259. 17:11when you put it like that and how many  individual plants must we have here
  260. 17:16do a spit of maths quickly at least  what 2,000 maybe, approaching?
  261. 17:19Yeah at least, at any one time.
  262. 17:21Almost everything else you see in here goes  straight from these module cells into the ground
  263. 17:25and that makes it really quick cause  I've also designed a long handles dibber.
  264. 17:31This is the famous dibber! Yeah I love this. So  that makes it really quick to make a little hole.
  265. 17:38I see you've got some vintage plug  trays here as well, these guys.
  266. 17:41Can you show us like some of your oldest ones?
  267. 17:44They must be like old friends that  kind of come out year after year.
  268. 17:48These ones this one dates back to  the 1980s. What! you're kidding me!
  269. 17:52Yeah. Look at that! Cause in the '80s it  was pretty standard to use polystyrene
  270. 17:56and it was a 40 cell and it's lost  bits over the years I still use it.
  271. 18:01That's as old as me, almost!
  272. 18:05Fundamental design that is so good  of these is the size of the hole.
  273. 18:10Yeah, so easy to get them out  aren't they. Yeah but good drainage
  274. 18:14and people who've never done this think how come  the potting mix doesn't all fall out the bottom
  275. 18:18but once you've done it you  realize it all sticks together.
  276. 18:211985 guys! Wow!
  277. 18:25You are continually trialing things, you  never get bored of it and I love that.
  278. 18:30And you're doing a little comparison  here of potting mixes or composts.
  279. 18:34One's clearly doing better than the other  isn't it, what's going on here Charles?
  280. 18:38This is from the same makers and  this is their normal, quite cheaper
  281. 18:43and what I would call chemical compost  - so it's got chemical fertilizers in.
  282. 18:48That's standard practice, so this is  the one that's most widely available .
  283. 18:51This one is the from the same  company, but it's organic.
  284. 18:55Yea, look at the difference in  those roots as well, it's so even
  285. 18:57and you see that one's clearly  struggling for some nutrients already.
  286. 19:03Exactly well I think it's a bit the issue  with the peat-free thing and you know
  287. 19:06I think there's a limit to  how far we should go with this
  288. 19:08because we definitely want to go in that direction
  289. 19:11but for for many people it's  tying one hand behind the back
  290. 19:14and if you've done all your sowings and  plantings this year using this compost
  291. 19:17you would have lost a month, you you  might have even compromised some harvest
  292. 19:21and not got them all together.
  293. 19:22I guess if you're a new gardener, you'd  think oh this is a bit rubbish isn't it,
  294. 19:24you could be really put off.
  295. 19:26What sort of temperature does this  get to? I suppose it gets really hot
  296. 19:29you have to let it cool down and  then you put your seedlings on
  297. 19:32or do you kind of push your luck?
  298. 19:34Maybe the first few days it does off  gas a bit - a bit of ammonia gases
  299. 19:38That's on 20th of February we filled  it and that's fresh horse manure
  300. 19:42it's got this rack on top so actually  that stops the seedlings getting too hot.
  301. 19:45I guess so and I guess you could always  raise them up a bit if it was too hot
  302. 19:48so do you dig get all out at the end  of the season and completely refill?
  303. 19:52Yeah, well in about two weeks, so  early June, it's done its job actually.
  304. 19:56So it goes out to a pallet heap  back there, finishes fermenting
  305. 20:00we'll use it next year in the  polytunnel for tomatoes and things.
  306. 20:05There's a bit of talk of herbicides that the  horses ingest and that killing off things
  307. 20:11you just have to know the  the owners of the horses.
  308. 20:15Absolutely, I quiz them as much as  possible but you still can't be sure
  309. 20:19and so what we do out there is actually grow some  tomatoes in it like a test run, just to check.
  310. 20:26That's a good idea isn't it. So I'm sure  before I spread it in the polytunnel.
  311. 20:30In here, the tomatoes growing in here, they've  got some of that horse manure from last year
  312. 20:38[Music]
  313. 20:42You're really cramming things in here Charles
  314. 20:44you've got garlic and then what, cucumbers  here and all kind of interplanted.
  315. 20:49And the garlic went in in October and it  just grew slowly between winter salads
  316. 20:54which is really my main crop here  because they they're more profitable
  317. 20:58than some summer cucumbers and tomatoes.
  318. 21:01But we pick the winter salads all all winter long  and then they rise to flower during April roughly
  319. 21:06and then we have got a bit of time to put  on the compost. Okay that's when it goes on.
  320. 21:09Yeah, here we put it on in early May as  compared to November/December outside
  321. 21:14and then plant everything you see  here now, including the marigolds
  322. 21:16which have been eaten quite  a bit by woodlice I reckon.
  323. 21:21Bit of basil, celery, that was  a sort of bit of a catch crop.
  324. 21:24So celery needs really, really moist  soil but you've got it undercover here
  325. 21:28so is that kind of watered, you  have to water that especially?
  326. 21:31I have to water that a lot. Of all the vegetables  I grow it's the one I water the most by far
  327. 21:36if you want to get good celery. Basically a  bog plant isn't it - that's the thing. Exactly.
  328. 21:41And then just a few french beans for early harvest  which this year I think might really pay off.
  329. 21:47And what are these these? Welsh onions? No  that's onions, that I selected my best ones,
  330. 21:54put them in the ground, that's  for seed. Oh! okay yeah.
  331. 21:57So that temporary shelving  there's for the leek plants
  332. 22:00but that will come and they're beautiful.  They are stunning, I do love onion flowers.
  333. 22:07And because it's undercover,  I've got some outside as well
  334. 22:09but the thing about raising your own seed is  often they're seeding quite late in the summer
  335. 22:14and it's quite wet and you can  easily lose the quality of the seed.
  336. 22:19And you're not just growing one or two  plants, so you've got about ten there.
  337. 22:24Yeah - ten I would say is minimum really to get  the the cross pollination, a strong gene pool.
  338. 22:32And home saved seed like you're saying lasts a  bit longer, you know when it's been harvested
  339. 22:39It's fresh. You know it's fresh, because when  seed is sold to you and you think it's fresh seed
  340. 22:44but it's packeted year ending,  that's what they put on the label.
  341. 22:50Chard is always like the poster boy  of the vegetable world isn't it.
  342. 22:54These beautiful stems and all of this is  because essentially you're feeding the soil
  343. 22:58rather than "junk food" if you like  of sort of artificial fertilizers,
  344. 23:02is that kind of a fair statement?
  345. 23:04I think that's a spot on comparison  actually and I think plants like us
  346. 23:08they're healthier for being fed  naturally, not with synthetic anything
  347. 23:14and behind me here, that's what I call the  annual dose of fertility we're putting on
  348. 23:20and it's sometimes called feeding soil,  it's better called feeding soil life.
  349. 23:26And so there's some nutrients in the compost
  350. 23:28but also there's a lot of organic matter and  microbes that are feeding all the organisms>
  351. 23:32And really this is all your vegetables are  getting, this annual top up and and nothing else
  352. 23:37Yeah, I don't give any feeds or fertilizer.  I do use a bit of seaweed though
  353. 23:42and and I think that has a place cause  trace elements maybe, we don't know,
  354. 23:46I never know for sure. Mostly we're  spreading it here in November/December
  355. 23:50and then the rain is washing through,  like this year we've had so much rain
  356. 23:54so all of the compost we put on before  the winter has been thoroughly washed
  357. 23:58and for me that's one of the big  differences between fertilizer and compost
  358. 24:02that fertilizer will leach away mostly,  but compost it doesn't, it clearly doesn't,
  359. 24:07look at this and we don't put  any more on in the summer either
  360. 24:10cause you know we're doing second cropping,  so like this chard already has some
  361. 24:13we put it between the plants and then  in two weeks time I'll twist it out
  362. 24:17because it's it's finishing, it's going to flower  and I've got the new chard ready to come on,
  363. 24:22but we'll put a second planting here  it might be French beans or something
  364. 24:24but no new compost.
  365. 24:33[Music]
  366. 24:34I am really keen to encourage anyone,
  367. 24:37if there's anyone watching this video  who's never grown a plant in their life
  368. 24:41have a go and you might have some  failures, but don't let that put you off.
  369. 24:45It's a bit of a cliche, but it is so true,  every failure is genuinely a lesson isn't it.
  370. 24:49We're growing on a third of an acre here  about £35,000 worth of food in a year
  371. 24:54so you know that that's a nice number,  but I did use to get a lot of questions
  372. 24:59like people would say, well  why bother growing your own,
  373. 25:02I can just go down the  supermarket and buy it so cheaply.
  374. 25:04There's a lot of research from  nutritionists isn't there, coming out about
  375. 25:08the supermarket food doesn't have  the biome, the microbes that we need
  376. 25:12it's not only about what it looks like and  sometimes it looks better in the supermarket
  377. 25:16but your own food, that might  have a few imperfections.
  378. 25:20You know I was giving a talk to a  group of primary school children once
  379. 25:23and I said so actually one of the best  things you can do is eat a bit of soil
  380. 25:28and it's like wow! They all erupted  and the teachers were saying oh!
  381. 25:34I love it. Charles I feel like  we've all learned so much today
  382. 25:38you're very generous with your  knowledge and time I have to say
  383. 25:41So thank you so much. It's my pleasure. Thank you

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