No-Dig Gardening Masterclass with Charles Dowding — Transcript
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- 0:00Today I'm at a garden I've been looking forward to visiting for years
- 0:04and I don't think it is an exaggeration to say
- 0:06that this is one of the most highly regarded vegetable gardens in the world
- 0:12and it's all down to the humble yet famous gardener
- 0:15who's created it over the past decadem Charles Dowding.
- 0:19Charles hello
- 0:20Oh hi Ben.
- 0:22For those of you who don't know him, Charles is the absolute granddaddy of no dig
- 0:26or no till gardening, which is the very simplest, yet most effective way
- 0:31to grow vegetables that more and more gardeners are adopting.
- 0:35This guy has a wealth of knowledge and experience built over years of experimentation
- 0:40so I think we're going to learn a few things today.
- 0:43I can recognize this straight away, this is the dig and no dig bed
- 0:46which is kind of the hub of proving your point that you don't need to dig the soil.
- 0:52Why no dig for those who might not appreciate that?
- 0:55Well it's partly why I've got this experiment here, it's for me to learn more about soil
- 1:01and about digging actually cause I don't do it much,
- 1:03this is the only dig bed in the whole place and it's teaching me a lot
- 1:07about why I do no dig which is that we get earlier, more abundant crops
- 1:11as you can see this is no dig here, dig bed there.
- 1:15We get better drainage in wet weather, we get fewer slugs
- 1:19and also I had to replace quite a few lettuce on the the dug bed
- 1:23cause the slugs have been much more damaging there compared to here.
- 1:27So do you think by digging the soil you're creating more crevices and cracks
- 1:31for the slugs to hide in, is that the theory here?
- 1:34I think it's more to do with biology
- 1:35that you're damaging things like the ground beatles, which eat slug eggs.
- 1:39I mean I've only learned that myself in the last few years,
- 1:41you know I've kind of done this without necessarily knowing all the details why
- 1:45but I discovered more and more of the reasons
- 1:47and soil analysis showing how you get a better crumb structure
- 1:51so that's why rain flows through better
- 1:53but why it also holds moisture better and roots can get in there more easily.
- 1:57And I guess adding all the organic matter on top not digging it,
- 2:00you're getting a lovely kind of rich spongy texture aren't you,
- 2:05that sort of drains better I guess in wet weather, but also retains the moisture better.
- 2:10It's fantastic for clay soils you know, people often ask, oh does no dig work on clay?
- 2:14But actually that's the best soil for it cause it makes life so much easier for you
- 2:18and actually clay soil is really good it's just difficult to work.
- 2:23[Music}
- 2:26Charles I can really see the difference here with these luscious kind of fullsome onions here
- 2:31and these guys which will catch up I'm sure,
- 2:33but you reckon that's obviously cause you've not dug this bed
- 2:38and the organic mass is just added on top in what, the autumn or winter for these beds here?
- 2:43December. December okay. It's kind of copying nature you know
- 2:46how you've got a leaf fall or plants dying, but it never gets dug in.
- 2:51It's the same amount of compost in both beds, so that one has the compost dug in,
- 2:55two wheelbarrow fulls for this much and that one has it on top.
- 2:59But I had a PhD researcher here recently
- 3:02and he was looking at the carbon content of these two beds
- 3:05and guess what that one has a lot - 14%. 14, wow!
- 3:09Yeah compared to farmland would be about 2%. Wow! that's incredible!
- 3:14Maybe pasture land might be 5-6%, so 14 there, but this one has 18%.
- 3:1918%! that's crazy! That's from the same amount being added every year.
- 3:23So what's happened to the 4% difference just could have gone back into the ...
- 3:27I think it's lost in oxidation through the digging process.
- 3:31So I suppose carbon is the biggest visual sign of how well this is working
- 3:37because it's staying in there, that carbon staying in the soil
- 3:40and that's obviously helping with all the soil life and and so on.
- 3:43Yeah exactly, carbon is the building block of plant growth, of everything in the soil.
- 3:48It's the fuel for soil organisms so the more we can have in the soil,
- 3:52as I understand it anyway, the better. Makes sense!
- 3:55These beds here pretty much sum up the entire case for no dig or no till gardening.
- 4:00Charles you were telling me that this row here is forked and disturbed
- 4:05to help aerate it, the traditional kind of folklore if you like, and then the rest is no dig.
- 4:10What's the difference here between yields?
- 4:12Ah well, in the first 10 years of doing this, we've harvested 8% less
- 4:19from where we fork the soil, just putting in a fork once a year to loosen or aerate.
- 4:23Isn't that funny cause you feel like your gut's telling you, well that's the right thing to do
- 4:26you're introducing air, you're loosening it up, that has to work surely.
- 4:29Probably breaking the mycelial network.
- 4:32You know it's it's shattering a lot of fungal threads that we now know are really important.
- 4:36You say that vegetables like growing in little groups together don't they, like companionship
- 4:42Yeah they're like friends, and for me that's companion planting if you like, you know,
- 4:45companionship of being close to another. Absolutely yeah.
- 4:48You're a bit of a troublemaker in the vegetable growing world
- 4:50cause you like to blow up myths and all sorts, and one of those is crop rotation
- 4:55which is a little bit controversial.
- 4:57These potatoes here, they've been growing in the same piece of ground for how many seasons?
- 5:02This is year 10. Year 10, that's insane!
- 5:05I grew up on a conventional dairy farm and and I have to almost fight myself a bit every spring
- 5:10I'm planting the potato in the same place and yet over 9 years of doing that
- 5:14the health of the plants has not deteriorated at all. I mean great harvests,
- 5:18the harvests haven't gone down, and I even keep my own potato seed from the harvest to replant.
- 5:24I'm a bit concerned about alium leaf miner which has only just arrived here
- 5:27and I don't quite know, what do we get, a new pest you know and how does one adapt to it.
- 5:31In fact the lettuce beyond there, that's the eighth year in a row of lettuce in the same place,
- 5:36They're super healthy plants. Last year we got 62 kilos from that amount of plants.
- 5:4262 kilos! That's like, that's the weight of, it's the weight of an adult isn't it! That's mad!
- 5:53This is the hub of the garden obviously and look at this thermometer it's at 65 celsius
- 5:59What's that in Fahrenheit? Well it's very hot that's what it is!
- 6:02One of the questions I want to ask, this has got so much organic matter on it
- 6:06and you add what, sort of an inch or 3cm every year, do you produce all of it yourself?
- 6:10Because obviously a lot of the foods being eaten and going off site with people.
- 6:14How much of it is created here and imported?
- 6:18By volume it looks to be about two thirds I reckon that I'm making.
- 6:22Of that I'm actually importing some wood chip to make it as well,
- 6:26so the materials, it might be about half the materials coming from here,
- 6:29which is not coming only from the vegetable garden, but hedgerows that we cut
- 6:34and also Ben, I'm totally happy to put weeds on the compost heap like docks, buttercups,
- 6:41I guess when it's getting up to that sort of temperature.
- 6:44Well that helps but actually I've done bindweed in a cold compost heap
- 6:47and it's not Invincible you know, it will if you keep putting new stuff on top
- 6:51even if your heap's not hot eventually it runs out of juice.
- 6:54I guess so yeah. But that's pretty good though, like half the material.
- 6:57And yeah I'm happy and I'm selling a lot
- 7:00and you know my customers don't return their their poo obviously.
- 7:04What I find with these heaps here cause this is quite a big operation,
- 7:08bigger than most people might want in their gardens
- 7:10and these get a bit too hot and a bit anaerobic in the middle
- 7:14and that's why I got this pipe here. I see get some air in there.
- 7:17Yeah particularly once we finished adding which will be fairly soon.
- 7:21I don't know if you can see it look, steam coming out there.
- 7:23Cook your porridge in there I'm sure!
- 7:25We use the same principle and we turn only once but that helps to get a bit more air in.
- 7:32But I've got the pallet bays up there. Oh yes, yes.
- 7:34We line the sides with cardboard that helps to keep the warmth and moisture in.
- 7:39It's beautifully low tech isn't it cause these you can pick up pretty cheaply,
- 7:42pretty widely available just about still, cardboard obviously,
- 7:45plenty of Amazon deliveries and then you've got your stuff.
- 7:49The only difference, well it's smaller, but also it hasn't got a roof over while we're making it.
- 7:55I really value the roof to keep the rain out. I see, so once you filled it then the roof goes on.
- 8:01Exactly. So how old is this stuff in here then? This is six or seven months.
- 8:05Right, wow! Look at that. Is it weird to say it just smells so beautiful. Look at that.
- 8:15And some worms in there. Yeah they're turing it into worm cast. Properly alive.
- 8:19So that's what we turned into here, from there, about two months ago
- 8:23and this one was the heap that was being made while that was happening
- 8:27and has now been maturing for about six weeks since we finished it.
- 8:32We'll turn that from here on to the middle.
- 8:36[Music]
- 8:38What's under here Charles? It feels like we're unwrapping a beautiful present.
- 8:41This my wormery. Oh yeah, wow! Anaerobic coming in.
- 8:47So I'm giving them anything really, stuff which is half decomposed,
- 8:51The result I want is the worm cast cause I've noticed with potting compost
- 8:56it really improves if you can get some. I see, so this is super, super concentrated compost.
- 9:02Full of enzymes and you know when you're making potting compost
- 9:06you need it concentrated cause you're not using much,
- 9:08and one little cell is growing amazing plants, so the worm casts are brilliant for that
- 9:12but only about 10%, I just keep it in balance as far as possible
- 9:17and actually here in this bin we've got some of this compost
- 9:21as well as some of our other homemade compost. Oh wow!
- 9:26And apart from being a bit wet it's looking pretty nice. Looks gorgeous, wow.
- 9:33I see you've obviously had to put up the armory like everyone else against pests
- 9:37and you've got this here for what carrot fly obviously? Also rabbits actually.
- 9:42I've got rabbits here and this is definitely one of their favorite foods
- 9:46so it's standard Enviromesh and before that I lost the first showing here to slugs.
- 9:53Oh really, it's reassuring to know that you lose crops to pests like that as well.
- 9:59I see very few, but I do find carrots are the most difficult aren't they, the seeds are so tiny.
- 10:04Sometimes you have to resow a few times to pick that window of when finally they'll take off.
- 10:08Absolutely and as you can see it's mostly successful this time.
- 10:11One of my big problems is leaf miner. My chard and beetroot every year,
- 10:15it's more cosmetic but it is just relentless. Yeah, I don't have an answer for that.
- 10:21But I do find here, maybe because it's a bit bigger garden, it kind of dilutes the pests.
- 10:28Do you think a bit more air flow as well helps, blow them through? Absolutely,
- 10:32and the same with carrot root fly even, actually I think more wind blowing through
- 10:35can be good, so in a small garden it's more difficult.
- 10:37Mine's very sheltered so I think that's the problem.
- 10:40[Music]
- 10:43Charles, I see we've got some rust here on the garlic,
- 10:46do you think these will come good? They're pretty healthy plants otherwise aren't they.
- 10:51They've grown very well yeah, they went in the ground on the 30th September actually
- 10:55and I sowed mustard at the same time which grew up really fast
- 10:58You can see kind of residues of it here can't you? Yeah that's it, killed by frosts.
- 11:01And you've also got celeriac in there as well, it's really cramming so much in, this is amazing.
- 11:07Yeah absolutely pack it in. But the rust, I was stripping a bit off here, horrible isn't it?
- 11:11Yeah. But it's just depressing the final harvest
- 11:13cause it means there's less green leaves on the plant.
- 11:15But because they've had a long time to grow
- 11:17and they've got quite fat stems, so I'll get a harvest ok.
- 11:20But I've got some in the polytunnel which I do deliberately
- 11:23cause it doesn't get so much rust in there
- 11:24and they're definitely bigger and stronger and they'll mature anyway.
- 11:27Its just the sheer moistness of the air out here do you think?
- 11:30It's something like that actually yeah, constant rain in the spring seems to make it worse.
- 11:36At least we'll be getting a good crop from them nevertheless.
- 11:39Charles this is such a beautiful area, but you're telling me this was pasture
- 11:44just, what, three or four months ago?
- 11:46Yeah late January, now it's 20th May. So basically what we do is actually mow it a bit first
- 11:51that's just to make the ground easier to level out the compost.
- 11:56I got a two ton lorry drop two tons of green waste compost in the middle there
- 12:00so actually that made it quite quick to spread maybe just over an inch or so, inch and a half
- 12:05and then another lorry came along with two cubic meters of mushroom compost
- 12:09which also is spread on top.
- 12:11Which one's superior in your opinion and and why the mix?
- 12:14Well I prefer the mushroom compost it's got a bit more nutrition
- 12:17but green waste compost varies so much and actually the guy who brings mine
- 12:20is pretty good, very little plastic. It's seived to 10mm so it's quite fine.
- 12:25Then we put the plastic on top but because even in February in the warm February
- 12:30the weeds were growing through that much compost which is about 3 inches maybe
- 12:34and so already you could see they were just reestablished
- 12:37cause you know we're going from a really weedy parcel of strong plants to this
- 12:42and so the plastic is just making sure the weeds die.
- 12:45Earlier this week, I have help here, I got a full-time guy and and another helper some days
- 12:52so they rolled back the plastic and what did we find? just like tons of slugs and snails.
- 12:57Oh no! So there was a big harvest of those to get it all cleared up.
- 13:01You're literally walking through just handpicking them to kind of clear it a bit.
- 13:05Yeah, yeah. This is old plastic, this is four years old
- 13:08and it's got the planting holes from the previous years already,
- 13:11so we we've got another sheet on top to cover the holes in the plastic.
- 13:15And it was between the two plastics, tons of these slugs - anyway they sorted that out
- 13:19and put the single sheet back and we've used the same holes, put in these plants five days ago
- 13:24so these these plants are only three and a half weeks old actually
- 13:27the squash and the the corn which is for dry corn in fact. Is it? All right, like so dent corn.
- 13:33So what squash variety is it? This is Crown Prince and Kuri up that end,
- 13:39so early harvest there and later harvest here.
- 13:43I mean I'm no fan of using plastic more than I need to, but this being like a four-year-old sheet
- 13:49I mean you can see it's got plenty of life left in it yet.
- 13:52Yeah, it's UV treated so it doesn't degrade fast.
- 13:56And what will you be doing with the dried corn, grind it up, make your own polenta? Yeah.
- 14:02It;s Painted Mountain so it's ...Oh it's the pretty kind of glass gem one isn't it?
- 14:06The kind of colorful one. Yeah.
- 14:08I mean normally I start no dig with cardboard on weeds and compost on top.
- 14:13So accessible to everyone, everyone's got cardboard.
- 14:16And the cardboard decomposes within about two months, so here just for example
- 14:19four months ago, this was just for a demo, I got this little patch
- 14:23and I put cardboard on and only 2in/5cm compost.
- 14:27We did need to remove two or three dandelions cause they're so vigorous here
- 14:31and they were growing through. Using a trowel get out most of the root, but not all of it.
- 14:35And the other thing I'm noticing Charles is down here,
- 14:37that's an incredibly attractive edge you've got here,
- 14:40how do you keep these all so clean like that those edges?
- 14:43Okay well, firstly it does help to keep the grass short, so mowing once a week
- 14:47reduces the vigor of the plant roots trying to come in but yeah
- 14:53they're always moving aren't they, so either long handle shears every two weeks say
- 14:58and then maybe every month, using the half moon.
- 15:01So it's just a question of getting the half moon out and just being meticulous.
- 15:04You can go along almost at walking speed you know just it's not a deep cut it's just a sliver.
- 15:12[Music]
- 15:15Wow. Charles I've seen this from so many of your own videos,
- 15:19this is really the nub of it all and you've got so much in here. Look, oh wow.
- 15:24Well I'm really aware of the importance of space management in propagation
- 15:30and how I think many module trays and cells are too big actually.
- 15:35Cause look at this, this is French beans they were probably sewn about two weeks ago
- 15:39there's 60 cells in that plug tray.
- 15:42Many people think that's way too small for a bean seed but yeah obviously not.
- 15:48These are pretty much ready to go in. Yeah they've got a great root system haven't they.
- 15:51Just about two weeks old. Lovely stuff. And they pop out easily
- 15:55this a feature of the tray I designed you know, I want this to be just totally practical
- 16:00I never wash or clean them between uses, use them many times in a year.
- 16:03See that astonishes me, I've heard you say this before - I never clean
- 16:06and there'll be people there with the cleaning fluid, the Jeyes fluid or something
- 16:10washing them out and making sure there's no disease left on
- 16:12but you're breaking another rule aren't you.
- 16:14Yeah, microbes are good they all inter-relate and everything like that
- 16:17and big seeds, so peas, we are doing, we do multisown beetroots,
- 16:21multisown onions in these as well and I overfill them.
- 16:24You can see that see it's really overflowing, you don't brush it of?
- 16:27No, it was so funny I was teaching a group last summer and one of them
- 16:30was doing one of the trainings in horiculture, the qualification,
- 16:34and she said oh I'd be failed for filling a tray like that!
- 16:40But I want to get more compost in there. Makes sense doesn't it.
- 16:44What are these here? What's here spring onions?
- 16:47Well leeks actually, look very similar, multisown leeks.
- 16:50There's another great example of multisowing, you've got sort of up to what, six seedlings there
- 16:54Yeah, I'll thin them out a bit. I want four.
- 16:58So it's about at this stage I'll take a few out like that and get down to four
- 17:02but on anything between two and four, but that means in there, say on average three,
- 17:06You've got 180 leaks. Wow. In that size of an A4. Amazing isn't it
- 17:11when you put it like that and how many individual plants must we have here
- 17:16do a spit of maths quickly at least what 2,000 maybe, approaching?
- 17:19Yeah at least, at any one time.
- 17:21Almost everything else you see in here goes straight from these module cells into the ground
- 17:25and that makes it really quick cause I've also designed a long handles dibber.
- 17:31This is the famous dibber! Yeah I love this. So that makes it really quick to make a little hole.
- 17:38I see you've got some vintage plug trays here as well, these guys.
- 17:41Can you show us like some of your oldest ones?
- 17:44They must be like old friends that kind of come out year after year.
- 17:48These ones this one dates back to the 1980s. What! you're kidding me!
- 17:52Yeah. Look at that! Cause in the '80s it was pretty standard to use polystyrene
- 17:56and it was a 40 cell and it's lost bits over the years I still use it.
- 18:01That's as old as me, almost!
- 18:05Fundamental design that is so good of these is the size of the hole.
- 18:10Yeah, so easy to get them out aren't they. Yeah but good drainage
- 18:14and people who've never done this think how come the potting mix doesn't all fall out the bottom
- 18:18but once you've done it you realize it all sticks together.
- 18:211985 guys! Wow!
- 18:25You are continually trialing things, you never get bored of it and I love that.
- 18:30And you're doing a little comparison here of potting mixes or composts.
- 18:34One's clearly doing better than the other isn't it, what's going on here Charles?
- 18:38This is from the same makers and this is their normal, quite cheaper
- 18:43and what I would call chemical compost - so it's got chemical fertilizers in.
- 18:48That's standard practice, so this is the one that's most widely available .
- 18:51This one is the from the same company, but it's organic.
- 18:55Yea, look at the difference in those roots as well, it's so even
- 18:57and you see that one's clearly struggling for some nutrients already.
- 19:03Exactly well I think it's a bit the issue with the peat-free thing and you know
- 19:06I think there's a limit to how far we should go with this
- 19:08because we definitely want to go in that direction
- 19:11but for for many people it's tying one hand behind the back
- 19:14and if you've done all your sowings and plantings this year using this compost
- 19:17you would have lost a month, you you might have even compromised some harvest
- 19:21and not got them all together.
- 19:22I guess if you're a new gardener, you'd think oh this is a bit rubbish isn't it,
- 19:24you could be really put off.
- 19:26What sort of temperature does this get to? I suppose it gets really hot
- 19:29you have to let it cool down and then you put your seedlings on
- 19:32or do you kind of push your luck?
- 19:34Maybe the first few days it does off gas a bit - a bit of ammonia gases
- 19:38That's on 20th of February we filled it and that's fresh horse manure
- 19:42it's got this rack on top so actually that stops the seedlings getting too hot.
- 19:45I guess so and I guess you could always raise them up a bit if it was too hot
- 19:48so do you dig get all out at the end of the season and completely refill?
- 19:52Yeah, well in about two weeks, so early June, it's done its job actually.
- 19:56So it goes out to a pallet heap back there, finishes fermenting
- 20:00we'll use it next year in the polytunnel for tomatoes and things.
- 20:05There's a bit of talk of herbicides that the horses ingest and that killing off things
- 20:11you just have to know the the owners of the horses.
- 20:15Absolutely, I quiz them as much as possible but you still can't be sure
- 20:19and so what we do out there is actually grow some tomatoes in it like a test run, just to check.
- 20:26That's a good idea isn't it. So I'm sure before I spread it in the polytunnel.
- 20:30In here, the tomatoes growing in here, they've got some of that horse manure from last year
- 20:38[Music]
- 20:42You're really cramming things in here Charles
- 20:44you've got garlic and then what, cucumbers here and all kind of interplanted.
- 20:49And the garlic went in in October and it just grew slowly between winter salads
- 20:54which is really my main crop here because they they're more profitable
- 20:58than some summer cucumbers and tomatoes.
- 21:01But we pick the winter salads all all winter long and then they rise to flower during April roughly
- 21:06and then we have got a bit of time to put on the compost. Okay that's when it goes on.
- 21:09Yeah, here we put it on in early May as compared to November/December outside
- 21:14and then plant everything you see here now, including the marigolds
- 21:16which have been eaten quite a bit by woodlice I reckon.
- 21:21Bit of basil, celery, that was a sort of bit of a catch crop.
- 21:24So celery needs really, really moist soil but you've got it undercover here
- 21:28so is that kind of watered, you have to water that especially?
- 21:31I have to water that a lot. Of all the vegetables I grow it's the one I water the most by far
- 21:36if you want to get good celery. Basically a bog plant isn't it - that's the thing. Exactly.
- 21:41And then just a few french beans for early harvest which this year I think might really pay off.
- 21:47And what are these these? Welsh onions? No that's onions, that I selected my best ones,
- 21:54put them in the ground, that's for seed. Oh! okay yeah.
- 21:57So that temporary shelving there's for the leek plants
- 22:00but that will come and they're beautiful. They are stunning, I do love onion flowers.
- 22:07And because it's undercover, I've got some outside as well
- 22:09but the thing about raising your own seed is often they're seeding quite late in the summer
- 22:14and it's quite wet and you can easily lose the quality of the seed.
- 22:19And you're not just growing one or two plants, so you've got about ten there.
- 22:24Yeah - ten I would say is minimum really to get the the cross pollination, a strong gene pool.
- 22:32And home saved seed like you're saying lasts a bit longer, you know when it's been harvested
- 22:39It's fresh. You know it's fresh, because when seed is sold to you and you think it's fresh seed
- 22:44but it's packeted year ending, that's what they put on the label.
- 22:50Chard is always like the poster boy of the vegetable world isn't it.
- 22:54These beautiful stems and all of this is because essentially you're feeding the soil
- 22:58rather than "junk food" if you like of sort of artificial fertilizers,
- 23:02is that kind of a fair statement?
- 23:04I think that's a spot on comparison actually and I think plants like us
- 23:08they're healthier for being fed naturally, not with synthetic anything
- 23:14and behind me here, that's what I call the annual dose of fertility we're putting on
- 23:20and it's sometimes called feeding soil, it's better called feeding soil life.
- 23:26And so there's some nutrients in the compost
- 23:28but also there's a lot of organic matter and microbes that are feeding all the organisms>
- 23:32And really this is all your vegetables are getting, this annual top up and and nothing else
- 23:37Yeah, I don't give any feeds or fertilizer. I do use a bit of seaweed though
- 23:42and and I think that has a place cause trace elements maybe, we don't know,
- 23:46I never know for sure. Mostly we're spreading it here in November/December
- 23:50and then the rain is washing through, like this year we've had so much rain
- 23:54so all of the compost we put on before the winter has been thoroughly washed
- 23:58and for me that's one of the big differences between fertilizer and compost
- 24:02that fertilizer will leach away mostly, but compost it doesn't, it clearly doesn't,
- 24:07look at this and we don't put any more on in the summer either
- 24:10cause you know we're doing second cropping, so like this chard already has some
- 24:13we put it between the plants and then in two weeks time I'll twist it out
- 24:17because it's it's finishing, it's going to flower and I've got the new chard ready to come on,
- 24:22but we'll put a second planting here it might be French beans or something
- 24:24but no new compost.
- 24:33[Music]
- 24:34I am really keen to encourage anyone,
- 24:37if there's anyone watching this video who's never grown a plant in their life
- 24:41have a go and you might have some failures, but don't let that put you off.
- 24:45It's a bit of a cliche, but it is so true, every failure is genuinely a lesson isn't it.
- 24:49We're growing on a third of an acre here about £35,000 worth of food in a year
- 24:54so you know that that's a nice number, but I did use to get a lot of questions
- 24:59like people would say, well why bother growing your own,
- 25:02I can just go down the supermarket and buy it so cheaply.
- 25:04There's a lot of research from nutritionists isn't there, coming out about
- 25:08the supermarket food doesn't have the biome, the microbes that we need
- 25:12it's not only about what it looks like and sometimes it looks better in the supermarket
- 25:16but your own food, that might have a few imperfections.
- 25:20You know I was giving a talk to a group of primary school children once
- 25:23and I said so actually one of the best things you can do is eat a bit of soil
- 25:28and it's like wow! They all erupted and the teachers were saying oh!
- 25:34I love it. Charles I feel like we've all learned so much today
- 25:38you're very generous with your knowledge and time I have to say
- 25:41So thank you so much. It's my pleasure. Thank you
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