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0:00Trump is not in control.
0:01>> Yes.
0:02>> The people that are orchestrating the
0:04tempo and the timeline of events are
0:05Israel.
0:06>> He has surrounded himself with [music]
0:08religious fanatics. They believe that
0:10this war will usher in the end times. Do
0:13you think [music] America should have a
0:15dictator? You need a dictator now
0:16because the system is so fundamentally
0:18broken.
0:18>> Totally agree. We're stuck.
0:20>> Who wields the most power? The answer is
0:23secret societies. The Freemasons,
0:24[music] the Jesuits, and the classic
0:26example is the Roth Shaw family. Do you
0:28think Masons have any influence?
0:30>> I don't believe in the secret society
0:31thing. I don't believe in the Mason or
0:33Jesuit conspiracy or the Illuminati. The
0:36Rothschilds, what you kind of left out
0:37there is it's a Jewish family.
0:39>> They're also separating Francis.
0:40>> What's the evidence for this?
0:41>> I don't have the evidence at the top of
0:42my head.
0:43>> It's not real.
0:43>> It's called Wikipedia.
0:45>> What do you think Nick misunderstands
0:47about Israel's influence on the world?
0:49>> Let's just give the Infinity Gauntlet to
0:51Nick. Okay, you're now Thanos and with a
0:53snap of your finger, I will eliminate
0:55this group and then all the world's
0:57problems will be solved. Which group
0:58would you pick?
0:59>> Uh, correct.
1:00>> Nick Fuentes and Professors Young.
1:02Welcome to the Jack Neil podcast. So,
1:03Nick, would you care to introduce
1:05yourself and tell us a little bit about
1:07your background briefly?
1:08>> Sure. Yeah. I'm Nick Fuentes. I do a
1:10show called America First and I've been
1:13doing it for about 10 years
1:14independently
1:16and that's what I do.
1:17>> Cool. And professor.
1:19>> Yeah. So, first of all, Nick, it's great
1:21to meet you for the first time and uh I
1:23really appreciate you coming all this
1:25way for this conversation. Um, as you
1:27know, I was planning to fly to Chicago,
1:30but because of certain issues at the
1:32border, um, so I really appreciate you
1:35coming all this way. My my gratitude and
1:38my appreciation. So, my name is
1:40Professor Tang. That is my internet
1:42moniker. I'm not actually a professor.
1:44Um but I have a YouTube channel called
1:47predict predictive history and my
1:50mission my purpose is try to analyze
1:53history and current events in a way that
1:57allows me to draw certain principles
1:59which will allow me to predict the
2:01future and my goal is to uh promote this
2:05as a new economic discipline so as to
2:09raise human consciousness. Yeah, I'll uh
2:13get into what you both have said about
2:16each other's backgrounds later in the
2:19interview, but I think a good place to
2:21start here is you both agreed or stated
2:24that America has already lost the Iran
2:27war, but Nick, you've said the war was
2:30started because of corruption and Trump
2:33lost because he's simply stupid. So the
2:36first question here is why do you think
2:38Trump launched a war on Iran and do you
2:40think America lost the Iran war?
2:43>> I think he started this war not for
2:45geopolitical reasons but for
2:47esquetological reasons. Um and my
2:50argument is that he has surrounded
2:53himself with religious fanatics. People
2:56like people like Peter Hex. They believe
2:58that this war in the Middle East will
3:01usher in the end times. And I make this
3:04statement because if I just analyze this
3:06war from a game theory perspective, it
3:09is very hard for me to um find a logical
3:14reason why they start this war. And this
3:16something that Nick and I can discuss.
3:18Um but I believe this war is a religious
3:21esquetological messianic war. And Nick,
3:24why do you think Trump started this Iran
3:26war?
3:26>> Well, I agree that there's an
3:28esqueological dimension to it. obviously
3:30because it involves the greater Israel
3:32project and it involves the temple and
3:34it involves Iran's encirclement of
3:36Israel on every side of its borders with
3:38Hezbollah, Hamas, the PMF in Iraq and so
3:41on. But I really believe you could trace
3:43it to uh precipitating geopolitical
3:46reasons which I don't think you would
3:47even disagree with that it started with
3:50a series of events that began when Trump
3:52pulled us out of the nuclear deal in
3:542018. Trump withdrew us from the JCPOA.
3:57Uh by 2020, Iran stopped adhering to its
4:00commitments under the nuclear deal,
4:02enriching without limitations, making a
4:04highlyenriched uranium stockpile. It was
4:06when Joe Biden then got elected in 2020
4:09and took office in 21 immediately began
4:12to reconstitute the Iranian nuclear
4:14deal. And then with the help of China in
4:1623, they tried to do a reproachment
4:19between Iran and Saudi Arabia. These
4:21were some of the factors, I think, why
4:22one, Hamas attacked Israel, and then why
4:24Israel used that as a pretext to declare
4:27war, not just on Hamas, but on all of
4:29Iran's proxies, including Hezbollah, the
4:31Assad regime, the Houthi rebels, the PMF
4:34in Iraq. And that basically started this
4:37inexraable process where, to your point,
4:40they then got Trump elected. It was
4:42American jewelry. Israel move to get
4:44Trump in office because they knew he was
4:46going to take us to war against Iran and
4:48it would fulfill the larger project of
4:51making Israel the dominant regional
4:53power and that guarantees their ability
4:55then to annex the West Bank uh Gaza and
4:58then destroy the Alaka mosque and
5:00rebuild the third temple. I think that's
5:01certainly a part of it.
5:02>> And do you have any disagreements with
5:04what he just said?
5:05>> No, I mean I think he gave a very clear
5:06timeline. What I would argue is there
5:10had to be a reason why Trump withdrew
5:12the United States from the GCPOA, which
5:15is um commonly referred to as the Obama
5:18nuclear deal with Iran. Um and the idea
5:21was that over time the United States
5:23would lift sanctions on Iran as long as
5:26Iran agreed to abide by uh international
5:30inspections of its nuclear program. So
5:32Iran could use nuclear uh enrichment for
5:35its civilian nuclear program but it
5:37could not use it for uh to develop
5:39nuclear weapons. Also we have we have to
5:41remember at this time theat the supreme
5:43religious leader had a fatwa which
5:46strictly prohibited uh using uh uranium
5:50enrichment for nuclear nuclear weapon
5:52development as well as to use nuclear
5:55weapons in a war. So there were a lot of
5:58um constraints against Iran developing
6:00nuclear weapon and by tearing apart a
6:04GCP CPA OA or by Trump unilaterally
6:07withdrawing from the GCPOA it basically
6:09incentivized Iran to pursue nuclear uh
6:12or uranium enrangement. So that's what
6:14the GCPOA is. Okay. So but it was not
6:17just the GCPOA that was that was the
6:19first step. Then what happened was uh
6:22Trump moved the American embassy from
6:25Tel Aviv to Jerusalem which was
6:28extremely provocative not just um to the
6:31Palestinians but basically to the entire
6:33Arab world. Uh there was a consensus
6:35that uh Jerusalem would um would be a
6:39neutral um territory because of its
6:42religious significance to all Abrahamic
6:44religions. Then you had Trump
6:46recognizing Israel's control over the
6:48Golden Heights from Israel. You also had
6:51the Abraham Accords. Uh and then of
6:54course on January 3rd, 2020, Trump
6:56ordered the assassination of General
6:58Kasam Salmani, which was the most
7:00provocative act because he was a de
7:01facto ambassador of Iran in the Middle
7:03East. And for uh the longest time, he
7:06was actually working very closely with
7:08Americans to contain ISIS in that uh
7:10area. So the question then is we both
7:14agree there is this timeline of events
7:16but where we might disagree is what is
7:19motivating Trump in in the in these
7:23events. And so what I would argue is
7:26>> that um somehow Trump in his head became
7:30influenced by Zionism in America. And
7:34when I mean Zionism I include both um
7:36the issue lobby as well as Christian
7:38Zionists. So people like John of
7:41Christians United for Israel
7:43>> is following their plan to create as
7:45much chaos as possible in the Middle
7:47East in order to create the great
7:50project and then ultimately to um
7:53provoke the war of Gawk and Mog and
7:56unless you understand it that way it's
7:58very hard to explain his actions. So
8:00that's what what my argument would be.
8:02>> I would just disagree that Trump is
8:04doing it for those reasons. I think that
8:06people around him, including the state
8:07of Israel, have created the conditions
8:09where there are fewer options for Trump
8:13other than the ones that would end in
8:15that situation. So, for example, because
8:17you're right, and a lot of people don't
8:18know this, it was Trump that promised in
8:2116 to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to
8:23Jerusalem. And people at that time, at
8:26least from the Trump movement of which I
8:27was a part of, they said, "Well, that's
8:29really no big deal." They said, "We're
8:31going to give the Zionist lobby a small
8:33concession, which is this embassy. In
8:35exchange, Aden's going to give them $100
8:37million in 1618 in 2020." So people said
8:41moving an embassy, what's really the big
8:43deal? This is just a quid proquo. But
8:45the precipitating event behind October
8:477th, what was October 7th called? It was
8:49Al Axa flood after the Al Axa mosque.
8:52This is when Hamas invades from Gaza and
8:55it was a direct response to provocative
8:58Jewish actions on the Temple Mount where
9:00they were on the steps doing sacrifices
9:02and other things specifically to incite
9:04Muslims to attack them. So the so much
9:07of Trump's recognition of Israel's
9:09sovereignty is again it wasn't just
9:11moving the embassy it was recognizing
9:12Israel's sovereignty over Jerusalem as
9:14the eternal capital of Israel that
9:17created the conditions for a major clash
9:19between Palestinians and Israelis. And I
9:21think that that's a good example of how
9:24clearly the Zionist lobby understood the
9:26significance of moving moving the
9:27embassy. They understood the religious
9:30esqueological dimension of what does
9:32that mean when we move the embassy to
9:33Jerusalem. It means Israel controls the
9:36capital which means then they're going
9:37to take the West Bank which means then
9:38they're going to take uh the Alexa
9:40mosque down and build the temple. I
9:42think Trump ideologically is not there.
9:44I think for him it's more transactional.
9:46And so for him I it's more like how I
9:49described it that he looks at someone
9:51like Dantis who was a representative at
9:53that time in 18 Dantis was one of the
9:56biggest proponents of moving the embassy
9:58pressuring Trump to move it and I think
10:00Trump kind of looked at that like all
10:02right I'll let him have the embassy if
10:04that's what gets the Zionists on board
10:06for the midterms and re-election. So
10:07that that would only be maybe a slight
10:09disagreement there about Trump's
10:11motivations in particular. Can you break
10:13down exactly what you believe Trump's
10:15motivations to be for the war are then?
10:17>> Well, the thing about the war is that,
10:20and I try to unpack this on my show all
10:22the time, you have to talk about the
10:24strategic imperatives of every state.
10:26Israel's strategic imperative is the
10:29threat on the periphery, which is the
10:31northern border, Hezbollah, funded and
10:34supplied by Iran through Syria. And
10:37that's been that way since 96 in the
10:39clean break memo. It's securing the
10:40northern border. and they say we got to
10:42take down Iraq, take down Syria, then go
10:45for the head of the snake, Iran. Only
10:47then can we cut off Hezbollah and
10:49control our immediate surroundings. And
10:51what you understand is that for Israel
10:53to control its immediate periphery, they
10:55have to destroy Iran, specifically its
10:57regime. They need regime change in
10:59particular. So Iran must respond to
11:02this. They see that Israel and the
11:04United States have been doing this to
11:06other states. They did it to Saddam
11:08Hussein in Iraq, Gaddafi and Libya,
11:10Assad in Syria. And so Iran knows regime
11:13survival is now their imperative. If the
11:16US and Israel is destroying every
11:17government, then the Ayatollah says,
11:19"I'm next. How do I deter an attack from
11:23the US and Israel and ensure my
11:24survival? Only way [snorts] to do that
11:26is a nuclear weapon." So then, but if
11:28they race towards a bomb, that will
11:31invite US aggression because the US has
11:33a non-prololiferation policy. So Iran
11:36has to go in the middle. They called the
11:37threshold status. We'll be more closer
11:41to a nuclear bomb than maybe Saddam was,
11:43but not actually have an arsenal, which
11:45would trigger an attack from the US. But
11:48that Iran has an arsenal that actually
11:51brings the United States into the
11:52picture. The US is not married to the
11:55idea of regime change. That's not a
11:56vital strategic interest for the United
11:58States. But non-prololiferation is
12:01because the United States as global
12:02hegeimon is unchallenged by middle
12:04powers like Iran. Iran can never win a
12:06war against the United States, invade
12:08the United States, strategically defeat
12:10the United States. But if they had a
12:12nuclear bomb theoretically, and then
12:14they miniaturaturized it and put it on
12:16an ICBM, then that could threaten the US
12:18and destabilize the whole order.
12:21>> So, so to put it simply, Israel wants
12:24Iran gone, so Iran gets a nuke. Iran
12:26getting a nuke means the United States
12:28has to make sure they don't have one.
12:30And this is what brings the United
12:31States in to either make a deal like
12:33Obama did or Trump comes in to mow the
12:36grass and suppress this capability by
12:38bombing the nuclear complex and the
12:40missile program.
12:41>> Right. So I guess what's Trump's goal
12:43though specifically? Like what is is he
12:45just trying to survive this thing?
12:46>> I think that Trump is that's that's sort
12:49of the thing and I think I agree with
12:50you on this. Trump is not in control.
12:53>> Yes. The people that are orchestrating
12:55the tempo and the timeline of events are
12:57Israel. They are initiating and Trump is
13:00reacting to the situation. So for Trump,
13:03I think he's got domestic concerns,
13:05international concerns. He sees the Iran
13:07thing flare up. He wants Iran to be
13:09further from a nuclear breakout.
13:11Meaning, you know, cuz people confuse
13:13this like Iran has the schematics, the
13:15knowhow, the blueprints to make a
13:17nuclear centrifuge and a bomb. It's just
13:19a question of what's the timeline
13:21between deciding to make one and having
13:23one. And Trump wants to make that
13:25timeline as long as possible, kicking
13:26the can down the road. Uh but he's being
13:28drawn further and further in by Israel.
13:30I think that's really the program.
13:32>> Yeah. So I would agree. Um so let me
13:36talk about two things. Okay. And uh I
13:38think both points will just butcher your
13:40argument which is that Israel is really
13:42the one that's pushing the agenda and
13:45Trump is because he's transactional
13:48right uh he is not actually in strategic
13:50control of the situation. So the first
13:52idea is uh Nick is completely right
13:55United States is committed to
13:57non-prololiferation in the Middle East.
13:59So if Iran were to develop a nuclear
14:01weapon then the United States has to
14:03intervene. Um, but so if we just take
14:06that as a premise, then what we
14:08appreciate is a lot a lot of Trump's
14:10actions don't actually make any sense
14:12because if you are committed to Iran not
14:16getting a nuclear weapon, first of all,
14:17first of all, you would not withdraw
14:19from the JACPOA because even if Iran was
14:23not um, you know, sincere or genuine in
14:28in in in following the GP GCP OA, there
14:31was an international mandate in place.
14:33you could fool the United Nations uh
14:36apply pressure on Iran.
14:37>> Uh and that would give the United States
14:39more legitimacy, right? So that's the
14:41first thing Trump should not have done.
14:42Withdraw from the GC uh PA. That's the
14:46first thing.
14:46>> Second thing is you would not have
14:49assassinated on the first of the war the
14:52Adatollah Kame because he has been
14:55consistent in all his decades of power.
14:57Iran will not never develop a nuclear
14:59weapon. Um and so when you kill the
15:02alatollah k you're almost uh
15:06incentivizing a new leader his son to um
15:11negate the previous fatwa and allow uh
15:15for the development of nuclear weapon.
15:16Okay. That's something you would not do.
15:18You would not assassinate the alatollah.
15:20Right. Um and the the third thing you
15:23would not do of course is you would not
15:26unilaterally and for no reason attack
15:28Iran. Right. So it's not just
15:30assassinating the Aatollah but there
15:32were six weeks of continuous bombing of
15:36the country and Trump consistently said
15:40that they were intent on regime change.
15:42Right? So it's almost like you're trying
15:44to provoke as much as possible Iran into
15:48getting a nuclear weapon. So that's the
15:49first point I would make. Okay. So I
15:51think there are three major pillars to
15:53the clean memo. The first is to
15:55establish Israel as a regional regional
15:58hedgeimon in the middle east uh through
16:00balance of power. Uh the second is to um
16:05have a clean break from the arsal peace
16:07process. Like let's not negotiate with
16:10the Palestinians because they're
16:12animals, right? They're they're
16:13subhuman. They only understand force,
16:16right? If a dog is mis misbehaving, you
16:18beat the crap out of this dog. So, uh,
16:21let's show that we're stronger than, uh,
16:24the Palestinians. But the third thing
16:26which is really interesting is the clean
16:28break memo also calls for decreasing
16:31Israeli dependence on the United States,
16:34>> right? So, the clean break is just like,
16:37let's just turn away from the current
16:39world order. And then you ask yourself,
16:41this is really odd because in the mid
16:43'9s, basically every policy maker in the
16:45world agreed that neoliberalism is a
16:47solution, the Washington consensus. So
16:49why would you
16:52Israel decide to turn away from
16:54neoliberalism? And the answer, if you
16:56think about it, the only answer is
16:58because of um me messianic Judaism,
17:02because of Zionism, because they believe
17:04that Israel is destined
17:07um to achieve the greater Israel project
17:09and uh and and then usher in the end
17:12times when the Messiah will come and
17:14then God will come and there'll be peace
17:16on earth forever. That's the only way to
17:18appreciate the clean break memo because
17:20it's such a radical departure from
17:22orthodox thinking at that time. I'm not
17:25sure if you agree with my analysis.
17:26>> I yeah, I do agree with that. I would
17:28say I mean clean break, you're 100%
17:30correct. It means a clean break from the
17:32policy of land for peace, which is what
17:34they had been doing with Egypt and
17:35Jordan. In 79, they had Camp David
17:38Accords with Jimmy Carter. And in order
17:39to make peace with Egypt, which was
17:41Israel's permanent enemy from 48 until
17:4479, they had to give up the Sinai
17:46Peninsula. They had to give up control
17:47over Gaza. They were talking about doing
17:50the same thing with Syria by giving up
17:51the Golan. And then ultimately they want
17:54to make peace with all the Arabs by
17:56giving land to the Palestinians going
17:58back to the pre67 borders giving
18:00Palestine a state. And the Lyud party
18:03which became ascendant in the 70s of
18:05which Netanyahu is a part of basically
18:07said 79 Camp David was a disaster. They
18:10said Israel is such a small country.
18:12That's the one thing we don't have
18:13enough of is land. land which has
18:16resources, land which can be um utilized
18:18by the population. They said so instead
18:21we need to break from this policy.
18:23Instead of trading away the Golan, the
18:25West Bank Gaza, they said we actually
18:27have to just confront and destroy all
18:29our enemies in a systematic way. That
18:32was actually prefigured by Od Yanan's
18:34plan for the 1980s. He wrote the grand
18:37strategy for Israel and it goes even
18:38deeper than clean break where they said
18:41what we effectively have to do is rip
18:44apart all the powerful Arab or Muslim
18:46countries with sectarian and other
18:49divisions. So they said we're going to
18:50go into Iraq and make it three countries
18:53Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite and we'll go
18:55into Egypt and it'll make it a Coptic
18:57Christian country and an Arab Muslim
18:58country and go into Syria divide it
19:00between the Alawites, the Sunnis, the
19:02Kurds and the Drews. And they said what
19:04will be left is a mosaic of tribes with
19:07flags, small stateletits, tiny states
19:09that are not big enough to challenge
19:11Israel. And to your point, that makes
19:13Israel a regional hegeimon. That means
19:15they can take everything west of the
19:17Jordan River, take everything south of
19:19the Latani River in Lebanon, have these
19:21natural defensible borders, larger
19:23territory. They don't have this like
19:26Palestinian state in the middle of their
19:28country. And what that fundamentally
19:30allows them to do is one project power
19:32in the region, but two to your point
19:34that gives them maneuverability to go
19:36after the mosque. That's really what
19:38they fear is if Iran and all these other
19:41powerful Muslim countries are standing,
19:44then there would probably be a war with
19:46Israel, might still be when Israel goes
19:48and topples the Alaka mosque. But this
19:50is where I would say it's almost hard to
19:52discern where one argument ends and the
19:54other begins in the sense that [snorts]
19:56for Israel to destroy the mosque, build
20:00the third temple, bring on the end
20:02times, they need full control over the
20:04periphery, they need to be a regional
20:06hegeimon. That also is just a natural
20:09foreign policy that states pursue, I
20:11think, is to try to maximize their
20:13power. This is a realist perspective and
20:15you could say it's aggressive or
20:16expansionist. But this is what Putin is
20:19doing in Ukraine. It's what China aims
20:21to do in Taiwan, which is a power is
20:24going to try to ascend the ladder and
20:26become the dominant force in his region.
20:28So Nick, would you say uh the Greater
20:30Israel Project is
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21:55you say uh the Greater Israel Project is
21:59based in pragmatic reasons and the
22:02esquetology is the fuel to get people
22:04rallied around it? That's really the
22:06central question I think is, you know,
22:08is the greater Israel messianic vision
22:11the rationalization for a real politique
22:14strategy to expand the borders or are
22:16they expanding the borders to realize
22:18the messianic vision? And I think that
22:21both can be true in the sense that
22:23Netanyahu I don't think is a messianic
22:26person. You know, his he doesn't have a
22:28great relationship with Habad Lubovich.
22:30I don't you know he has religious people
22:32in the coalition.
22:34I think he's more driven by grand
22:36strategy. I think though, however, there
22:38are people that are empowering him like
22:41Smootrich and Ben Gvere who are
22:42religious fanatics in his government.
22:44They wear armbands and they speak in
22:46front of lecterns that have the greater
22:48Israel map. They are messianic Jews who
22:50who well not strictly speaking Messianic
22:52Jews like believe in Jesus but they
22:54believe in that messianic prophecy of
22:56building the temple ending the world. So
22:59uh so I think both motivate different
23:01people in Israel.
23:02>> Right. Sorry I have to interrupt because
23:05um Nick made a statement that we we need
23:07to um clarify. You said that Netanyahu
23:11does not have a great relationship with
23:12Habal Lubich.
23:12>> Yes. Um
23:15I from all my research I think Nanyahu
23:18was um basically
23:21um is almost like a um tool of Habat
23:27Luich in order to achieve their meic
23:30prophecy.
23:31>> Um and I I'll go over what what what
23:33I've learned.
23:34>> Okay. Sure. Um
23:36um first of all there's a very strong
23:39connection
23:41um between Nanyahu
23:44the Trump family in the Kusha family
23:46right so Fred Trump and Ben Benjamin
23:49Natanyahu were good friends
23:51>> and the reason why was in the 1980s
23:53Nanyahu was Israel's ambassador to
23:56United Nations
23:57>> so he was in New York and then Fred
23:58Trump of course was a very prominent
24:00real estate developer in New York City
24:03um the Hushan and Nyahu are are very
24:06close. Nyah himself said him himself
24:08said that when he ever comes to United
24:10States, he often stays with the Kushers.
24:11>> Uh in fact uh Jared Kushner said that uh
24:15now and then he will uh give his bedroom
24:18to Nanyahu and he'll go sleep in the
24:19basement. Okay. So uh that's my first um
24:24thing thing I've discovered. There's a
24:25really close relationship between the
24:26Trump family, Nanyahu and the Kusher
24:29family. So, so the idea that Jared Ker
24:32and Trump just met randomly and then got
24:34married, I I don't think holds water. I
24:36think they probably knew each other
24:37since they were were little. The other
24:39thing is um Nanyahu was almost
24:44nurtured and mentored by Rebeersonen who
24:49was the leader of the lit movement for a
24:52long time. So, there are videos on
24:54YouTube where um Benim Nyahu just got
24:59elected to the Knesset and he goes to
25:02the Rebe and and says, "Will you please
25:04support me? Will you please bless me?"
25:07And the Reb says, "Sure." Um and then
25:11there's another video a year later where
25:13Na Yahoo goes to uh the Rebe um and the
25:17Rebe just basically says to him, "Um,
25:19when is Messiah coming?" and Ayahu says
25:23uh he's coming and then we're working on
25:25it and Rabers is like well we have to
25:28hasten the process right so this is the
25:32leader of Habat Luvich
25:35>> directing Nanyahu who has pluggs to
25:39hasten the coming of the Messiah. Uh you
25:42will also find on YouTube a video of uh
25:47Sheldon Aen and Miriam Aden
25:50before their wedding going to the Red
25:53Bay asking for his blessing for their
25:56marriage.
25:57>> And so this is who the ads by the way.
25:59>> The ads are the main financial backers
26:01of both Donald Trump and Benjamin
26:03Nanyahu. Is that is that a fair state?
26:04No. Absolutely. Yeah.
26:05>> Right. So, uh, Shan Alen was the, um,
26:08major financial backer for Trump's 2016
26:11and 2020 presidential campaigns and
26:15>> and they're Zionist,
26:16>> right?
26:17>> Well, they're very Zionist. Yes. Yes.
26:19And Shayon Ellison was also very
26:22prominent backer of Benjamin Netanyahu
26:24because Shannon Ellison is American. He
26:27could not actually um financially
26:28support Netanyahu. But Shayon Ellison
26:32did spend a lot of money to buy up a lot
26:34of um prominent Israeli media and this
26:37and this media that these this media was
26:39very supportive of Nanyahu.
26:42So I see all these connections. So I I
26:45don't understand why Nanyahu um and
26:49Habich are not aligned.
26:51>> I mean they have met obviously Netanyahu
26:54and Rebby Schneersen because they're in
26:56the Jewish community. you know,
26:58Netanyahu is the prime minister of
26:59Israel and so on. But if you actually
27:01know about Habad Lubavage, they say they
27:04don't actually fully support the project
27:06of Israel. They believe that what
27:08precipitates the Messiah coming is not
27:10even necessarily the Jews resettling the
27:13land automatically or even claiming a
27:15country called Israel. They say it's the
27:17conversion of the Jews back to the
27:19religion, back to the law. They say that
27:21what precipitates the Messiah is the
27:23Jews coming back to Torah. And one of
27:25the reasons actually originally Habad
27:27Lubovich was against Israel is because
27:29Israel is like a civic nationalist state
27:31that says we're based on like Jewish
27:33ethnicity and Jewish race and Habad
27:35Lubovich said it should be based on
27:37Torah. It should be based on the law and
27:39on the book and on the religions. That's
27:41why I say it's a little bit contentious
27:43as far as Trump is concerned. I know
27:45that you you have maybe more of um like
27:47a fatalistic view of it that Trump was
27:50designated to be like a Cyrus the Great
27:53type figure in the Jewish esquetology.
27:55He was going to be like a messiah for
27:57the Jews. I think a counter example
28:00against this is that he was not the
28:01favorite of the Zionist lobby when he
28:03ran in 2015. Initially Miriam Mlesson
28:06backed Rubio. M they wanted Ted Cruz and
28:09even after Trump won the nomination and
28:12then won the election in 16 when he lost
28:15power in 2020 the Jewish lobby moved
28:17against Trump and they actually wanted
28:19Dantis to be the guy. Dantis announced
28:22his run in May 23 and just before that
28:24he traveled to Israel to meet with Mary
28:26Madson all the big Jewish donors. He
28:29announced with David Saxs and Elon Musk
28:31on Twitter who were fully behind him. uh
28:34and he was really the pro-Israel choice
28:36for the Republican primary for the 2024
28:39election. And then when Dantis had his
28:41failure to launch, it became clear by
28:43the summer he wasn't going to work out.
28:45Then they all moved behind Nikki Haley
28:47in 2024 and they wanted her in October
28:5123, I would say roughly to about March
28:5324, the Zionists placed their hopes on
28:55her to win. And it was only after she
28:57went to Israel on behalf of Miriam
28:59Madson and endorsed Trump that Trump got
29:02the blessing to get the $und00 million
29:04check for Miriam Madson. So in other
29:05words, he was their last choice. Even in
29:0824 all the way after he ripped up the
29:10nuclear deal, after he moved the
29:12embassy, after he killed Kasamsulammani,
29:14gave Israel to Golan, they still did not
29:17like him more than they like Dantis and
29:19Haley. So that that would be my
29:21counterargument.
29:22>> Right. Okay. Um so uh let me first
29:25respond to how about lubage their um
29:28ideology. So you're absolutely right in
29:30that the end goal is for all Jews to
29:33convert back to the religion
29:36>> and to repent and then this would
29:38actually usher in the end of the world
29:40according to the cabala. So the um the
29:43habit movement are Jews and the basis
29:47for um a lot of the ideology is the
29:50cabal interpret the interpretation of
29:51the intention of God.
29:52>> And so um what what what they believe is
29:56that the world is the way it is because
29:59the Jews have turned away from God and
30:01this is the breaking of the world. So to
30:03repair the world what must happen is all
30:06the Jews because the Jews have the
30:09divine spark of God and uh the Jews must
30:12come together and then these divine
30:15sparks divine sparks of light will then
30:17unify together. Um and this process
30:20happens when Jews repent. Okay. And the
30:23example is the story of King David. So,
30:27King David sinned by uh marrying
30:30Bashibba and killing her husband Uriah
30:33the Hitite. But um God punished
30:38um David by killing his firstborn with
30:42Bashibba. And this caused David to fall
30:45into tremendous grief and beg for um
30:49forgiveness and to repent. And what this
30:52did ultimately was solidify the
30:55relationship between King David and
30:57Yahweh and God because remember in the
30:59Bible, King David is a favorite of God
31:02like more than anyone else more so than
31:04even um uh Moses. So that is what Kabat
31:08Luvich wants to do to force all Jews
31:12around the world to return to Israel and
31:15then to repent. And then then the
31:19question then is how do you do
31:20politically achieve this?
31:22>> Well, you do three things, right? First
31:25of all, you achieve the greater Israel
31:26project because the greater Israel
31:28project is a covenant between um um
31:32Yahweh and Abraham. Uh so they have to
31:34fulfill that. That's the first thing,
31:35the greater Israel project. The second
31:37thing is you need um all Jews to return
31:43to Israel. The entire diaspora has to
31:45converge on Israel. And how do you do
31:47that? Through anti-semitism. Through
31:50conflict uh around the world that forces
31:52Jews to return to Israel to seek for to
31:55seek safety and protection from God.
31:58Okay. The second thing and the third
31:59thing and Nick refers to this a lot is
32:01the building of the third temple because
32:03that's where God lives, right? Right. So
32:05the idea is um and and Judaism is is
32:08different from other religions and
32:10people don't appreciate why so don't
32:13appreciate the subtle difference but
32:15Judaism it's a worldly religion meaning
32:17like if you look at Hinduism and
32:19Christianity and Islam it's about um
32:22when you die you go to heaven right for
32:25the Jews it's about bringing God to
32:27earth right so
32:28>> you're saying they don't believe in
32:29heaven
32:31>> um I actually don't know if they believe
32:33in heaven but like like for them the end
32:35of the world is when God comes to Israel
32:38and lives amongst the Jews and the third
32:41temple is meant to be his home. Right?
32:43So you're right in that Habat Lubich has
32:46this esquetology in place. But if you
32:50look at what they have to achieve in
32:52order to obtain this esquetology, then
32:56it's unfolding before our eyes, right?
32:58We are seeing the greater Israel project
33:00being implemented throughout the Middle
33:02East. Mhm.
33:03>> Uh we are seeing the rise of
33:04anti-semitism throughout the world
33:07>> and we are also seeing um the growing
33:10conflict between uh messianic Jews and
33:13um Muslims in the on the temple mount uh
33:16which may eventually lead to uh the
33:19destruction of the alexic mosque in the
33:21building of the third temple. So all
33:22this is tracking and and I would argue
33:26that it's because Nanyahu is following
33:29very much the Habad Lubich blueprint for
33:33global Jewish redemption.
33:36>> Yeah, I guess I just disagree. I think
33:38that to say Israel is the Habad Lubovich
33:41project to bring about the end times and
33:43Netanyahu is an agent of this. But I
33:45just think it's an oversimplification
33:46because again, Habad has not always even
33:49been in favor of the modern state of
33:51Israel even existing. It's much more
33:53controversial, I think, than you're
33:55making it seem.
33:55>> Jean, what event can you not explain
33:58without that position? Does that make
34:00sense?
34:00>> Yeah. Well, you can't explain the
34:03mosque. Um, you know, so, so I think
34:05what both Nick and I think is going to
34:07happen eventually is the Isaac Mosque
34:08will be destroyed.
34:09>> And where's that at? And that's where
34:12the uh Jewish people believe is the
34:13third temple in Jerusalem. There's
34:15something called a temple mount. And the
34:17temple mount is where they built the
34:20first temple uh the Solomon's temple.
34:23And they built it as the house of God.
34:26Uh because
34:28um the idea again is like um God wants
34:31to live with his people. Like God
34:34doesn't want us to go to heaven to be
34:35with him. God wants us to build a world
34:38in which he can come and and live with
34:40us. And um so that's called Solomon's
34:43temple. Solomon's temple was destroyed
34:45by the Babylonians
34:47and um I can't remember the exact year
34:50but it's around 600 B uh 600 B.CE. uh
34:54and then Sus the great um conquer the
34:57Babylonians and then return the uh
35:02Israelite exiles to the land uh and
35:06sponsor the building of the second
35:07temple but then the Romans destroy the
35:09second temple and um the third temple
35:13has never been been built and it is the
35:16mission of these messianic Jews to build
35:19the third temple because that is the end
35:20of their uh esquetology. So um if you
35:24look at the temple mount where the
35:25temple used to be it's divided into two
35:27parts. The first part is the alias uh
35:31which is considered the third holiest
35:32site in the Islamic world. That is where
35:34Muhammad ascended to heaven.
35:37>> And then you have something called the
35:38dome of the rock. The dome of the rock
35:41is uh where the foundation stone is. Um
35:44and the foundation stone for the um for
35:47the temple. Um so so what Nick and I
35:50believe is there will be a religious uh
35:54fanatical minority who wants to destroy
35:56the dome of the rock and the moss to
35:59build a third temple. If that were to
36:00happen then this would ignite a
36:04religious war the world has never seen
36:07before. Would you agree with that
36:08statement?
36:09>> I think so. Yeah. because then all uh
36:12Islamic people or Muslims would be uh
36:15religiously committed to destroying
36:17Israel and uh restoring the Alex mosque.
36:21>> Right. So you're saying that the main
36:23event that uh only makes sense with
36:26esquetologies has had to do with the
36:28temple and then I asked you to clarify
36:30the Alaka thing. What were you saying
36:32there? I
36:32>> I want to ask Nick this question.
36:35>> Um have you had a chance to walk on
36:37Manhattan yet?
36:38>> Yeah. Oh yeah.
36:40on on a lot of street corners there is a
36:43poster.
36:44>> Yes.
36:45>> The Messiah is coming. Rebear the
36:48Messiah is coming.
36:50>> How do you interpret that?
36:52>> Well, a lot of people believe he's the
36:54Messiah. A lot of Jews because he's the
36:56seventh dynastic leader of the Habadich.
36:59They say yes.
37:00>> Yes. Yes.
37:01>> But you know, so there's no disagreement
37:03that Habad Lubovich wants the Messiah to
37:05come and they're willing it into being.
37:07But I'm just saying that the idea that
37:08Netanyahu is a part of a conspiracy with
37:11Habad Lubovich to bring about this
37:13messianic vision, I think it coincides
37:16with Israel's geopolitical interest,
37:17which is to destroy Iran. And that
37:19that's what I said really is that it's
37:21hard to know where one begins and the
37:23other one ends because to achieve the
37:26messianic prophecy, Israel needs to
37:28achieve its geopolitical goals.
37:30>> And so, but states always pursue their
37:33geopolitical objectives. So the
37:35geopolitical goals have to be met before
37:37they destroy Al Axa and build a third
37:39>> temple for you know what clean break and
37:41the plan for the 1980s is all about is
37:44securing the realm. That's actually what
37:46clean break is called the securing the
37:47realm securing the northern border. And
37:49they say that in order for Israel to be
37:51safe we got to get rid of Hezbollah. How
37:53do we get rid of Hezbollah? We got to
37:55get rid of Saddam who's a ba'ist. We who
37:57launched missiles at Israel. We got to
37:59go after Assad through which Hezbollah
38:01is furnished with support from Iran. And
38:03then we have to go after Iran, which is
38:05inciting this revolutionary Shiite
38:07movement across the Middle East. And
38:09only then can Israel be a regional
38:10hegeimon when they're not encircled by
38:14Hezbollah, Assad, Saddam Hussein, Iran,
38:16the Houthis, uh, which was a later
38:18development. And so for Israel to
38:21eradicate all of its enemies is also
38:22just national security policy.
38:24>> But but then how does destroying the
38:26Isaac Mos strengthen Israel's national
38:29national security?
38:30>> Well, I'm not saying it is. I'm saying
38:31that clear, you know, doing those things
38:33might allow Israel to do that in the
38:35future, but that's not something
38:36Netanyahu has pledged to do,
38:38>> right? But I'm saying like would we
38:40agree right now that there seems to be
38:43like an alliance of sorts
38:45>> and Hab is very much part of this
38:48alliance. So you have um people like
38:50Nanyahu who may not be religious uh but
38:53there are geopolitical opportunists
38:56>> and they want to strengthen uh Israel's
38:58national security
39:00>> but also with this alliance you have a
39:02lubage
39:03>> and they really believe this is the end
39:05times again if you walk around Manhattan
39:07you like look at these street corners
39:10like this guy Rebers is everywhere and
39:12and there's a vocal minority who believe
39:16this guy is Messiah and when the when
39:19the end times come, he will reincarnate
39:21as the Jewish Messiah and he will usher
39:24in the end of the world. And Habalich um
39:28just so that people appreciate this is a
39:31very powerful group of people because
39:33not only only do they have access to
39:34Trump, they also have access to
39:36Zalinski. They also had access they also
39:38have access to um Vladimir Putin. Hav
39:42Malay is also part of this movement. So
39:45uh when Hav J Havier Malay first became
39:47president of Argentina, his first
39:51foreign visit as a head of state was to
39:54the grave of Reberson
39:58uh which is located in Queens, New York.
40:01And also the grave of Reberson
40:05is the most heavily uh visited
40:09Jewish holy site outside of Israel.
40:12>> Really?
40:13>> Yeah. So um I um I think Habaluage uh
40:18fact is a major factor in geopolitics
40:21because I think they're much more
40:22influential than people will appreciate.
40:24>> I agree they're more influential. I just
40:25I think you're maybe overstating the
40:27case that they're driving all these
40:28events because you're right. I mean they
40:30are the nexus between Russia, the US,
40:32Israel. There is a uh there is a nexus
40:36point represented there. But you know
40:38another one of their prophecies for
40:39example they think that Jews have to get
40:42to every corner of the globe before the
40:43end times can come is one of the
40:47>> I actually didn't know that. Yeah. Could
40:48could you explain that
40:49>> they believe that Jews have to be in
40:51every part of the world. There has to be
40:52Jewish settlements in every literally
40:54every country in every part of the world
40:56before the end times can happen. That's
40:57one of the things that has to happen
40:59before the prophecy can be fulfilled.
41:01>> And and is is that not already happening
41:03because Zionism is Yeah. And they are
41:06trying to settle everywhere. Argentina,
41:07Australia, Cyprus, Greece.
41:10>> Um I mean um I mean a friend even told
41:14me there are Zionists in Costa Rica and
41:17the locals are pissed because they're
41:18buying up a lot of land. Um so it seems
41:23to me the world is moving in a way that
41:28conforms to the esquetology of Habadich.
41:32>> Yeah. I think they're just a little more
41:33idiosyncratic
41:34than that. I think that uh you can't you
41:37can't say that every revisionist Zionist
41:40or maximalist pro-Israel person is
41:42necessarily a tool of Habad Lubovich.
41:44They're they're one faction that sits
41:47among world jewelry. Uh but I don't
41:49think they're driving everything.
41:51>> Right. So uh another data point that I
41:54will bring up is um ever since the death
41:57of Rebes and he died 1994. Okay. There's
42:01been a massive outreach program. So, uh,
42:03Hab Lubich is responsible for the
42:06Birthright Israel program,
42:08>> right? Uh, do you know about Birthright
42:10Israel?
42:10>> Yeah.
42:10>> Right. Um, also, uh, Hab Luvich has has
42:14um built uh, campus programs around the
42:18United States. So, at Harvard, there's
42:19something called Harvard Habad. The
42:21faculty advisor to Harvard Habad is Alan
42:24Duritz. And the three most prominent
42:27members of Harvard Habad are Jared
42:31Kushner, Natalie Portman, and uh Mark.
42:36Then at Yale Law School, they also built
42:39a chapter called Saptai Society. Um
42:42[snorts] and Corey Booker um was one of
42:46the founders of Y Septai Society and
42:49their members include um Vivic
42:51Ramaswami,
42:53Albridge
42:55Kobe who is now number two at the
42:57Pentagon uh behind Hexf. Um you also
43:00have Michael Nolles.
43:03Um these are very powerful people. So I
43:06mean
43:08and they're all affiliated in some way
43:10with Havalich.
43:11>> I just think it's a logical error. It's
43:12like when people used to say the World
43:14Economic Forum was controlling
43:15everything. And you say what is the
43:17World Economic Forum? It's a forum for
43:19all the world's prominent business and
43:21political leaders that then meet in
43:22Davos. And so would you say the seed of
43:24the power is in the forum is in the
43:27actual the Claus Schwabr run super
43:29national group or would you say the
43:30power lies in the individuals that then
43:32coales like so for example you know many
43:36of the people you mentioned I don't know
43:37that they are like lurionic cobalists I
43:40don't think that Mar necessarily
43:41subscribes to that your point about
43:44Habad Lubovich one of the primary
43:46activities they do is just educating
43:48Jews about their own religion and
43:50because they take that role that just
43:52happens to be the forum where Jews get
43:54together and fraternize and organize and
43:56socialize. I don't think it necessarily
43:58means there really the answer is it's
44:00world jewelry. That's the term that I
44:01prefer cuz Lubovich is only just one
44:04dynasty among others within the hidic
44:06faction.
44:07>> Absolutely. Yes. Um you're absolutely
44:09right. So how about Lubich only has
44:11about 100,000 members
44:13uh around the world. Okay. That's not
44:15that many people. And uh Nick is right
44:18in that Judaism there are lots of family
44:20dynasties. the S dynasty is one um um
44:24dynasty. Um but at the same time, what I
44:28will say is of all these um different
44:31Jewish groups and there's lots of them,
44:33okay? Uh and there's lots of
44:34disagreements and often they really hate
44:36each other. [snorts] Um the habit people
44:41are often the most messianic, the most
44:43fanatical. Would you agree?
44:45>> Yeah, I agree with that. M
44:46>> so there are three things that they do
44:49that have allowed them to basically grow
44:52at an exponential scale these past few
44:55decades. Um the first thing that they do
44:58is they pull their resources. Uh meaning
45:02if if you just take the average Habat
45:04Lubich member he's actually pretty poor
45:07because he's spending all his time
45:08studying Torah. Uh he's not actually
45:10going and making money.
45:11>> Um but what they do is they pull their
45:13resources together. And so if you go to
45:16Brooklyn, a lot of real estate in
45:17Brooklyn is controlled by Haval Liberage
45:19because they've been there since 1945.
45:21Um and they've been constantly pulling
45:23money and investing in real estate. Um
45:26that's number one. Number two is they
45:29ostracize themselves from from from um
45:32other groups. So they actually refuse to
45:35send their kids to public schools. They
45:37have their own school school system as
45:39as Nink said. um they will not um uh
45:44their kids will not play with kids from
45:46other groups. Um so they ostracize
45:49themselves. And the third thing that
45:51they do is um they have a lot of
45:53children,
45:54>> right? They breed a lot. Um and then the
45:57question then is what's the energy that
46:01drives them, right? Well, how is it that
46:04they're able to live in poverty and have
46:06a lot of children and just isolate
46:08themselves from the larger American
46:10community? And I think it's just their
46:12messianic cabalism. Um, and so even
46:16though they are in fact minority and
46:19they're just a fringe group, they are
46:21also extremely energetic. So, so much so
46:25that they're willing to trade everything
46:28in order to achieve their esquetology.
46:30So you're absolutely right in that Nyahu
46:32is is he's a politician. All he wants is
46:34more power. Jared Kushner is a real
46:36estate developer. All he wants is more
46:37money. But if a group is coming to you
46:40and saying, you know what, we don't want
46:42the power. We want the money. We just
46:43want you to help us achieve a certain
46:46esquetology, just one thing in this
46:50grand script of us of ours.
46:53>> Well, they'll probably say yes. And
46:55they'll probably u be able to achieve
46:57through esquetology. It's not just again
46:58this is not just Netanyahu it's also
47:01Donald Trump it's also Vladimir Putin
47:04it's also [snorts] Zilinski Har Malay
47:07it's a lot of people who have who are in
47:09positions of power and influence
47:11>> my counterargument to that would be take
47:13somebody like Larry Ellison for example
47:15he's one of the richest guys in the
47:16world founder of Oracle deep connections
47:18with Trump because he donated I think 60
47:20million to his campaign in 24 Larry
47:23Ellison's an atheist but he is an ethnic
47:25Jew and he is one of the biggest
47:27supporters supporters of Israel that
47:28exist. The I think uh Jerusalem Post or
47:30Times of Israel just did their top 50
47:32most influential Jews list today and
47:35Ellison's I think in the top five. He's
47:37one of the biggest private donors to the
47:39IDF. He got Netanyahu a lawyer to defend
47:42him against the corruption charges in
47:44Israel. He took over Tik Tok and is
47:46putting together this media company with
47:48his son and Barry Weiss that's going to
47:50take over CBS News and CNN. The reason
47:53that he supports Netanyahu and Israel
47:55and the IDF and Trump and all this, it's
47:57not because he's a messianic kabad
47:59Lubovich cabalist. It's because he's a
48:01Jew and he sees Israel as the last safe
48:05place for Jews. There is this, as you
48:07know, and I think you're right about
48:08this. Anti-semitism actually plays this
48:11like dialectical role in the Jewish
48:13prophecy. But somebody like a Netanyahu
48:16or somebody like a Larry Ellison, they
48:18don't necessarily need to be consciously
48:20motivated by a messianic religious
48:22disposition to serve it. They have their
48:25own practical considerations. And so
48:27that's why I just think it's
48:28>> So So what do you think Ellison's
48:30practical considerations are? Just the
48:32only safe place for Jews? Is that really
48:34an acceptable answer compared to like a
48:36religious esquetology?
48:37>> Yes. I think that because he's an
48:38atheist, so he doesn't believe in God
48:40and I don't think he believes in the end
48:41times. I think that he identifies as a
48:44Jew and I I think and I think you've
48:45made this point. You're 100% right. A
48:48lot of Jews in America grow up in this
48:49millu of like a kind of chauvinism.
48:52There's this idea like we're we just do
48:54things a little better. You know, we're
48:55a little smarter. We educate our kids.
48:57We don't act like the goyam. We don't
48:58act like the Gentiles. And this comes
49:00from their theology which says that the
49:02goyam the gentiles are idoltors and they
49:04don't obey the law and so on. Um and so
49:07someone like
49:07>> I've never said that by the way.
49:09>> You haven't said I've never said that.
49:10Uh I think you said something about the
49:11millu in which they g like you said
49:13Markx grew up as an aristocrat in a
49:16millu of his ancestors rabbis and that's
49:19speaks to the Jewish character of
49:20dialectical materialism. You said that
49:23>> I I've said that Carl Marx um he has se
49:26several generations of rabbis in in his
49:28lineage and rabbis are essentially um
49:31Jewish aristocrats. Um, so he grew up in
49:34a very intellectual tradition and he was
49:36probably influenced by the Cabala. Um,
49:39but that's the extent of of
49:40>> what I'm saying. Yeah. In principle,
49:42what I'm saying is you understand the
49:44weight of Jewish custom even if an
49:48individual doesn't subscribe to it. Like
49:50let's say a Larry Ellison, he's an
49:51atheist, but the cultural millu he grew
49:54up and is informed by 3,000 years of
49:56Jewish history and it shapes those
49:58attitudes. So why are some of the for
50:00example someone like Epstein Epstein
50:02says these um kind of like contemptuous
50:05remarks about Gentiles he says like are
50:07there going to be goyam at this party or
50:09something like that Epstein's probably
50:10like an atheist but he grows up in a
50:13Jewish community going to maybe a Jewish
50:15daycare these sorts of things where
50:17those attitudes are there because of
50:18thousands of years of this insular
50:21in-group preference tribalism among this
50:23people and anyway so point is with
50:25someone like Larry Ellison I think he's
50:27a Jewish chauvin
50:29I think he's somebody that looks at
50:30Israel and there's this identity where
50:32he says, "Oh, they're an upstart nation
50:35like me. They're entrepreneurial.
50:37They're go-getters. They take
50:38initiative. There's this ethnic pride."
50:40He identifies with Israel as an ethnic
50:42Jew. And two, I think all Jews have this
50:45alienation, especially the ones that
50:47live in the diaspora, from the host
50:49country. And so, they do feel like this
50:52is not really their home. For them, home
50:54is always going to be Israel. And that's
50:56why Israel has to be empowered because
50:58in the end if anti-semitism gets bad in
51:00America or Russia or wherever that's the
51:04only place you're going to be safe. So
51:05there there's something deep-seated
51:06there as well.
51:07>> All right. So uh let me respond to this.
51:10Um I don't think Larry Ellison first and
51:13foremost thinks like a Jewish person. I
51:17think he first and foremost thinks like
51:19a capitalist, a transnational
51:20capitalist. So for him it's just like
51:23where do I who do I work with and what
51:25do I do in order to generate the um
51:28greatest return on investment and he's
51:32very supportive of Israel uh because
51:35Israeli interests align with his own
51:39business interests. So a lot of
51:40technology comes from Israel. Uh Israel
51:44is one of the uh leaders in um new
51:49technological development. uh there's a
51:51lot of capital flowing into Israel and
51:53out out of Israel. So, and so it's not
51:55just Larry Ellison who's aligned with uh
51:58Israel. You also have other capitalists
51:59like Peter Theo uh who is not a a Jew
52:03Jewish person also align with with
52:06Israel. So, um just to say that it's
52:09just Jews who support Israel, I think is
52:11incorrect. I think there are a coalition
52:13of interests that see a benefit in
52:15supporting Israel including uh
52:18technologists
52:19um like Larry Ellison and Peter Theo
52:21including uh financial interests uh
52:24because Israel is a very good place to
52:27uh invest. You also have Christian
52:29Zionist people like Sean Hannity and
52:31John
52:32>> who are even probably even more
52:35fanatical than most Jews in the United
52:38States. So I think it's a very broad
52:40coalition. Uh so that's my first point.
52:43My second point is within this broad
52:45coalition if you just look at history
52:49often um how this coalition basically
52:53moves is it's driven by a vector and
52:55this vector is the most fanatical
52:58members of this group.
53:00>> So everyone in this coalition is willing
53:02to move in this direction because it
53:04benefits everyone in this coalition. But
53:07where it moves is driven by the most
53:09energetic, most fanatical people. And
53:11what I'm saying is within this broad
53:12coalition, there's a very broad
53:14coalition of people. Um, Habad Lubich is
53:17the most fanatical. And so, it's really
53:19important for us to study their
53:21esquetology in order to figure out where
53:24Israel might might move. So, I don't I
53:28do predictive history. I'm I'm trying to
53:30figure out what drives human events,
53:33what drives history. Um, so I'm trying
53:36to create a framework. In my analysis,
53:38in all my research, I think that Habat
53:39Louage has a lot more weight. It's much
53:42more influential that people give them
53:44credit for. And that's my central
53:45argument.
53:45>> Yeah. I guess my disagreement is I I
53:47think you're just overindexing on their
53:49influence. And and that's why I say
53:50someone like a Larry Ellison or Trump.
53:52These are central figures driving the
53:54events in Israel and they're not
53:55motivated by these mess, you know,
53:57whether it's a Jew or a Gentile, they're
53:59not motivated by the messianic beliefs.
54:01Professor, would you say that
54:03shared ethnicity or shared religion in
54:06esquetology are more able to help you
54:10predict I guess uh how people in power
54:14behave. Um so I sort of discount
54:19religious identity or uh racial identity
54:22in my analysis and the reason why is
54:26families are much more likely to fight
54:28amongst each like within like so um
54:32people who are more similar aligned are
54:34much more likely to fight than u people
54:37who who are not. So the differences
54:40within groups are much greater than
54:43differences outside of groups. And
54:45that's something that I've learned in
54:46life uh by the set of by the set of
54:49history. So just to say that you know
54:52these Jews are all Jews and therefore
54:54they have a similar interest doesn't
54:56really hold water because if you
54:58actually look at Jews [snorts]
55:00they argue all the time. Have you been
55:02to Israel?
55:03>> No.
55:03>> Okay. I've been to Israel.
55:04>> I don't want to get killed over.
55:05>> No. No. Okay. I I mean I I went to
55:07Israel in um 2012 for a week. Um, and
55:14the the first thing that you uh realize
55:18when you get to Israel is
55:21Israelis
55:22argue all the time. They have no reason
55:26to argue and they will argue. Like you
55:28go to a store, a coffee house, and he's
55:31like, "I want to buy a cappuccino." And
55:34the guy will be like, "Why do you want
55:35to buy a cappuccino?" Like, "Oo, is that
55:38good enough for you?" It's the silliest
55:40thing in in the world. And like if you
55:42just look at the political system, it is
55:43the most dysfunctional political system
55:45in the whole world. I mean um it's
55:49amazing that you're able to to cobble
55:51together a government because you have
55:53like a whole range of political parties
55:56and these political parties just fights
55:58fight amongst themselves. um you know
56:00there's a civil war brewing brewing
56:02right now uh in Israel and in fact if
56:05Hamas did not actually launch their
56:07flood if October 7 did not happen then
56:10there might have been a civil war in
56:12Israel right so so that event basically
56:14saved Nanyahu from a political calamity
56:18so um I don't think that it's you can
56:22just say it's just the Jews or um or or
56:26or any just one group because again the
56:30differences in conflicts within groups
56:31is so much greater than the conflicts
56:33outside of groups and between groups.
56:35>> Do you agree with that segment?
56:36>> I think that's maybe our biggest
56:37disagreement is I think that um and and
56:40maybe let me get some clarity on this
56:41because you say so
56:43>> the project of greater Israel is being
56:45driven by the let's say the most
56:48spirited or energetic group which is
56:50Habad Lubovich and they're motiv by
56:52messianism and you say their messianism
56:54comes from their interpretation of
56:56Cabala. Now, do you believe that Cabala
56:58is a fundamentally Jewish phenomenon or
57:01do you think it's more gnostic or
57:02esoteric?
57:03>> Okay. So, so let me clarify what I mean.
57:06Okay. So, all that's happening in the
57:08Middle East cannot be driven by one
57:10person or one group.
57:12>> There has to be a broad coalition of of
57:14interests.
57:15>> So, greater Israel benefits a broad
57:18coalition of interests. Um, it benefits
57:20capitalists, financiers, it benefits uh
57:22technologists, it benefits um Christian
57:25Zionism, it benefits a American
57:27interests, it benefits a lot of people.
57:30>> Um so um a lot of these things are
57:33happening because there's a broad
57:35coalition in in in place. But within
57:38this broad coalition, you also need uh
57:41people to push events along,
57:43>> right? And when they push events along,
57:45then other people can sit back and and
57:47benefit. So Habat Luvich is the one
57:50pushing events along, but it doesn't
57:51necessarily mean that they're in charge.
57:54It also does not mean they will get
57:56their way because it's entirely possible
57:57that the other groups at the end at
58:00maybe get together and says these guys
58:02are crazy so let's just like you know um
58:05betray them or or you know change
58:07direction like let's not blow up the
58:08eyes like a moss
58:09>> right
58:09>> right let's not do that cuz that's just
58:12it benefits no one right
58:13>> right so I think the the mosque is the
58:16big lmus test as to like who's really in
58:18control if they blow up the Alex mosque
58:20we can both agree that these religious
58:22fanatics are in charge Yes, totally.
58:24>> Um, and if they don't blow up the mosque
58:27and they just achieve the greater Israel
58:28project, then that then that aligns with
58:30a lot of geopolitical um geopolitical
58:34interests. So, so that's my that that's
58:35that's why I believe.
58:36>> Okay. But in terms of Cabala, do you
58:38think Cabala is because it's based on
58:40the Tanya, at least in Habad Lubovich,
58:42which is not the Torah. It's not the
58:44written or oral Torah. It's a mystical
58:45book. Do you believe that Cabala is
58:48Jewish? Or do you what do you think is a
58:49relation between Judaism and Cababala?
58:51[gasps]
58:52>> Okay. So here you and I will disagree.
58:54All right. But I believe that what
58:57happened um is like throughout humanity
59:01there has always been a mystical
59:02tradition with all within all major
59:04religions. So within Christianity
59:06there's Nazism within Islam there's
59:09suism. Um, and the idea, um, is most
59:15people just see the material world, but
59:17these occultists, these mystics
59:19appreciate that the world is pure energy
59:22and pure consciousness. And um, I don't
59:26I I don't get too esoteric, but they
59:28believe that um, God is part of us and
59:31we're part of God. Okay. So, and the
59:33Cabala, what's what the Cabala is doing
59:36is trying to bring this mystical
59:37tradition into the um Jewish tradition
59:42because what separates the Jewish
59:43tradition from previous other traditions
59:45is they have a Bible. They have a
59:47written history of of their relationship
59:50with with God. And so, they're trying to
59:52use use this mystical understanding of
59:54the universe, this hermeticism to
59:58explain the stories of the Bible. And
1:00:00and this is what creates the the Cabala.
1:00:03I think the Cabala um is a very
1:00:07convoluted
1:00:09uh philosophy. And I think you it will
1:00:11be impossible to find two uh Jewish
1:00:14cabalas who agree on the meaning of of
1:00:16the Cabala. It is impossible.
1:00:18>> Right. I agree. Because I guess what I'm
1:00:20I'm wondering is if you're placing so
1:00:24much because you said people are
1:00:26underestimating let's say or
1:00:27understating the influence of Habad
1:00:29Lubovich and that's a cobalistic
1:00:31movement then you're saying it's sort of
1:00:33like an esoteric splinter within the
1:00:35Jewish community that is really
1:00:37exttrinsic to Judaism driving this right
1:00:40if you think it's not Jewish in
1:00:41character
1:00:42>> there are a lot of Jews out there who
1:00:44think the Habad Lewis movement is heresy
1:00:47>> okay and you could also make the
1:00:49argument It's not hocic. It's not based
1:00:51on
1:00:51>> because most Jews in the world uh who
1:00:53are religious believe that you cannot
1:00:56force the hand of God. That is heresy.
1:00:59That is pure evil. They [snorts] think
1:01:01that Habalat is forcing the hand of God.
1:01:03And that's why they're promoting the
1:01:04greater Israel project. That's why they
1:01:06are trying to uh usher in the end times
1:01:09and build the third temple. So Habalich
1:01:12is a very French movement. And I I would
1:01:14also point out that even with Hab
1:01:17Lubich, uh most people don't even know
1:01:19what's going on, right? I mean, most
1:01:21people just go to Habat Lu schools and
1:01:22they learn to be good people and they
1:01:24learn the importance of the Torah and
1:01:26that's it. They don't really appreciate
1:01:28the grand scheme at work. It's only a
1:01:31few people that really um have a sense
1:01:35of of where this movement is is going.
1:01:38And these people were prog.
1:01:42So what's really important for for
1:01:43people to appreciate is Rabies Ner was
1:01:46the seventh and final rebalich.
1:01:49Okay. So in other words they see Rabies
1:01:52Narsen as the messiah who reincarnated
1:01:55at the end of times and so um the kabat
1:02:00it's basically run by committee of
1:02:01rabbis who are students of his and so
1:02:04who are trying to implement this
1:02:05esquetology in order to bring back their
1:02:08the the teacher. And [snorts]
1:02:10um if you look at Habat Louage and again
1:02:13I don't know it that well. I've never
1:02:16really studied them that deeply. You
1:02:18probably know more than I do. But I
1:02:20would say there's also a element of 17
1:02:23frankism within Habal Liberovich
1:02:26and that's and and 17 frankism for for
1:02:29people who don't know is considered the
1:02:31greatest heresy
1:02:32>> in the Jewish tradition.
1:02:35>> U it's considered the great betrayal or
1:02:37the great heresy.
1:02:38>> Right. What exactly are Frankists?
1:02:41>> Well, what can I just ask one question?
1:02:42Cuz I'm a little bit curious. So, you
1:02:44also believe in the Kazerian hypothesis.
1:02:46Is that right?
1:02:48>> Um, I've discussed it. Yes.
1:02:50>> Then do you believe that's the Do you In
1:02:52other words, do you believe that the
1:02:53Ashkanazi Jews are the same people as
1:02:55the people to book in the Bible?
1:02:57>> Okay. So, I'll tell you what I believe.
1:02:59>> Okay.
1:02:59>> All right. I believe
1:03:02that the Jewish tradition is not
1:03:06consistent. The Israelites were pol
1:03:10polytheistic people.
1:03:12>> Um, and the Jewish tradition started
1:03:16really at the time of Cyrus the Great.
1:03:18>> And if you just like uh compare these
1:03:21traditions, Judaism after the second
1:03:24temple
1:03:25>> and then the first temple, these are two
1:03:27radically different traditions. Okay. So
1:03:28the first the Israelite tradition uh and
1:03:31there's a lot of scholarship on this. It
1:03:32was probably polytheistic with a
1:03:35pantheon of gods. um and it was a much
1:03:39more open and tolerant religion. And in
1:03:41Judaism um because uh of its
1:03:44relationship with the Persian Empire um
1:03:47it became much more closed and and
1:03:50insular.
1:03:51>> Also what we need to recognize is the
1:03:55people in the religion are going to
1:03:58shift over time, right? So what happened
1:04:01was after the Babylonians destroyed the
1:04:03first temple, they took hostage a lot of
1:04:06the um Israelite elite, but most of the
1:04:10Israelites stayed in um the area, the
1:04:15Levant, and basically adapted their
1:04:19religion
1:04:20uh to local practices. And there was a
1:04:23um a synratism
1:04:26process, a syncratic process where
1:04:29religious naturally melted together.
1:04:31Okay? And this is just a natural thing
1:04:32that happens. The example is English,
1:04:35right? If you bring in people who speak
1:04:36different accents of of English, they
1:04:38will eventually merge um and create a a
1:04:41new variant of of of English.
1:04:43>> Um so this is syncretic process and this
1:04:46is a very natural natural thing. The
1:04:48idea that
1:04:51uh the people in Israel today can trace
1:04:53their DNA back to the Israelites, I
1:04:55think it's is absurd. I think the idea
1:04:57that the Bible was consistent for 3,000
1:05:00years is also absurd.
1:05:02>> So uh now let's get to the Casseran uh
1:05:04hypo hypothesis. And I'm getting most of
1:05:07my understanding um from a book book
1:05:09called the 13th tribe by author Kesler.
1:05:12And in it he argues that what happened
1:05:14around the year 1100 is in the Middle
1:05:19East in the Orient there are there are
1:05:22like three major powers. There's a
1:05:24blessing empire which is Christian.
1:05:26[snorts] Then you have the Islamic
1:05:28caliphate based in Baghdad. But then you
1:05:30have a third center of power called
1:05:32Kazeria which is in modern Ukraine. And
1:05:35what happened was that um Kazeria it was
1:05:39a third son of power. So it didn't want
1:05:41to become Christian or Muslim. It wanted
1:05:45its own identity. Mhm.
1:05:47>> And so um there were a lot of um Jewish
1:05:50traders
1:05:52um in Kazeria and um the elite
1:05:57became interested in Judaism and
1:05:59eventually there was a mass conversion
1:06:01of the elite to Judaism
1:06:05um as a sort of like a new identity um
1:06:09that was different from the Christian
1:06:12and the Islamic tradition. And also they
1:06:14thought that well Judaism is the first
1:06:18religion right and from Judaism you had
1:06:20Christianity and then Islam. So uh they
1:06:24masscon convert to to Judaism. And I
1:06:27think this is historical fact. It makes
1:06:29perfect sense. There's a lot of
1:06:30documentation and author Kesler who by
1:06:32the way is a Jew.
1:06:33>> Yeah. Hungarian Jew.
1:06:34>> Oh and also by the way a Zionist Jew.
1:06:36Okay. Um he was the one who convinced me
1:06:39in his book the fifth 13th tribe all of
1:06:41this argument. And what happened uh was
1:06:44that Kazera was eventually conquered by
1:06:46the Mongols which forced a mass a mass
1:06:49migration of uh Kazerian Jews into
1:06:52Eastern Europe which then merge with
1:06:56Spartic Jews who came in from Spain. Um
1:06:59and so there's a synretism go going on,
1:07:02>> right? I think it's important
1:07:05that you both just define this clearly
1:07:07and such a dumb question, but like Nick,
1:07:10what exactly is a Jew or what exactly is
1:07:12a Jewish person? And then, Professor
1:07:14Jang, what exactly is a Jewish person to
1:07:16you? Well, see that's really the
1:07:17question and that's why I wanted to ask
1:07:19some of these questions about how you
1:07:21regard the Israelis because what it
1:07:23sounds like is you think that Cababalism
1:07:26and Habad Lubovich are informed by the
1:07:29Sabati Zevi Sabatian Frankists which are
1:07:32sort of like gnostic Satanist
1:07:34anti-nomian. They believe in
1:07:35transgressing the law in order to
1:07:37achieve holiness. That's really the
1:07:39basis of it. And you think the Ashkanazi
1:07:42Jews aren't even really Jews. you think
1:07:44they're descended from Turk people uh
1:07:46from Kazeria and and that's really my
1:07:48central disagreement is I think that the
1:07:50Jews are the people of the book. I think
1:07:52that it is the same religion. I think
1:07:53they are the people of the Middle East.
1:07:55And I I think it is fundamentally about
1:07:57Jews. I don't think it's about this
1:07:59mystical other stuff. I think it's about
1:08:01them. And that's why I say somebody like
1:08:03Ellison, maybe this is the source of
1:08:05that disagreement. He is an ethnic Jew.
1:08:08I think he's the same Jew, same
1:08:10ethnicity as the people 2,000 years ago
1:08:12in the Middle East when the second
1:08:14temple was destroyed. And I think that
1:08:16his chauvinistic attitude towards
1:08:17Gentiles, it doesn't come from Sabatis
1:08:20or Jacob Frank. It doesn't come from
1:08:21Kabala. It comes from the Torah because
1:08:23the Torah says idolattors have to die.
1:08:26The Torah says you have to spit when you
1:08:28pass a grave of an idoltor. And they
1:08:30view Christians as idoltors very much
1:08:33like Muslims because the Jews believe
1:08:36that Yahweh is their God. They believe
1:08:38that Yahweh is the only God and the
1:08:40insinuation that there's a trinity of a
1:08:42Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ. They see
1:08:44that Jesus is an idol, as a human idol
1:08:46and that's why they sentence him to
1:08:47death and that's why he was crucified.
1:08:49And so I guess maybe the difference is I
1:08:51I view the clash of civilizations and
1:08:53the tension in history as between
1:08:56Christians and Jews fundamentally Jesus
1:08:58Christ and the Jews. Whereas I think you
1:09:01see it as a little bit more complex and
1:09:03about maybe these mystical traditions
1:09:05which don't have as much to do with the
1:09:08the tribe of the Jews.
1:09:09>> Nick, can you define though like what is
1:09:11a Jew? Is it someone who's ethnically
1:09:13Jewish and religious Jewish? Like
1:09:14>> it's an ethnicity and Judaism is a
1:09:17religion. So a Jew is someone that
1:09:19descends from the tribe of Judah in the
1:09:21Old Testament. And that's why you can
1:09:24find it in a genetic test, you know, and
1:09:26theoretically they say you can convert
1:09:28to Judaism, but Jew, a lot of Jews don't
1:09:30believe that. A lot of Jews only believe
1:09:31you can be Jewish if you're born to a
1:09:33Jewish mother, not even a Jewish father.
1:09:35They say you're not Jewish if you
1:09:36weren't born a Jewish dad.
1:09:37>> And do you think Zionism and Judaism are
1:09:39the same thing?
1:09:40>> Zionism is sort of the logical necessary
1:09:43endpoint of Judaism because what what
1:09:45you have and and to your point, you said
1:09:47Judaism is a worldly religion.
1:09:49Christianity, which is why the Jews
1:09:51rejected Christ, says there's a
1:09:53spiritual kingdom. And so we say on some
1:09:55level, we don't really care what happens
1:09:57in the Holy Land because the kingdom of
1:09:58God is within and Christ brings a
1:10:01spiritual kingdom. Muslims believe
1:10:03anyone can become a Muslim and and they
1:10:05do have the Kaba and they have Mecca and
1:10:07you have to go there into a real place,
1:10:09but they do have more of a universal
1:10:11spiritual religion. Judaism is based in
1:10:14the temple in the land. That is the only
1:10:16way you can practice the religion is
1:10:18God's people in the land that God gave
1:10:20them in the temple where God dwells
1:10:22where God gave them the schematics to
1:10:24build it. This particular lineage was
1:10:26given the responsibility to build it and
1:10:30um so that's what makes it fundamentally
1:10:32different than everybody else.
1:10:35>> Would you agree with his definition?
1:10:37>> I would not I would not at all agree
1:10:38with his definition. So throughout
1:10:42history there have been there have been
1:10:43different terms. Okay. You have the term
1:10:45Hebrew, then you have the term
1:10:47Israelite,
1:10:49then you have the term Jew,
1:10:52um now you have the term Israeli. Okay?
1:10:54And these are all very different terms.
1:10:57Uh Hebrew just refers to aic people um
1:11:01that Abraham who was considered like the
1:11:04grandpatriarch of the Israelite people
1:11:06belong to. The term is Israelite uh
1:11:09refers to um the people um in the
1:11:14kingdom of Israel um under the
1:11:16leadership of King David and they
1:11:18descend from Jacob um who is the um
1:11:22grandson of Abraham. uh Jew was first
1:11:26used, the term Jew was first used um in
1:11:30the second temple period um when the
1:11:32Persians repatriated the exiles, the the
1:11:38Israelite exiles back into the Levant.
1:11:41Um and Israeli is a term we use for
1:11:46people, the citizens of Israel, which
1:11:48was founded in 1948. And these are four
1:11:52um very different terms. And so um if
1:11:55you ask me what is a Jew, I would just
1:11:57say well a Jewish is someone who
1:11:59believes he or she is Jewish. A Jew
1:12:03belongs to a community of of believers.
1:12:06So to understand my point,
1:12:09let me um use a thought experiment.
1:12:12Okay, let's just say for whatever reason
1:12:15um over the next 20 years, most of
1:12:18humanity is wiped out. Our entire
1:12:19civilization has collapsed. a thousand
1:12:21years later, um, humanity is now
1:12:24rebuilding itself and you've got, um, a
1:12:27new society and for whatever reason,
1:12:29they do archae archaeology and they dig
1:12:31up the Bible. Okay? And the Bible talks
1:12:34about Jews and they're like, "Oh, this
1:12:35is interesting. Let's be Jews. Let's
1:12:37call ourselves Jews. Are they Jews?"
1:12:39They're not at all genetically Jews,
1:12:41okay? Because most of humanity has been
1:12:42wiped out. They might even been Chinese.
1:12:44But because they read a book and they
1:12:46like the book and they think that wow um
1:12:48this is a very these are very
1:12:49interesting ideas and they adopt the
1:12:51monarch Jew. Would they be Jewish? And
1:12:54the answer is of course they'd be Jewish
1:12:56because everyone recognizes um them as
1:12:58Jewish. If you call yourself um Jewish
1:13:00then then then others accept that as as
1:13:03a convention. Professor Jeang
1:13:06who actually runs the world and how does
1:13:08power actually work? Okay. Well this is
1:13:11what I think. Okay. I think we live in a
1:13:15unique time in human history. Um, our
1:13:18accomplishments are just amazing.
1:13:22We are able to sit in a room, record our
1:13:24conversation and broadcast it to um,
1:13:27possibly millions of people from all
1:13:29around the world. Um, we can translate
1:13:32our conversation in like many different
1:13:33languages. Uh, to get here, we all came
1:13:36from like three different places. And so
1:13:39the level of our technological
1:13:41sophistication, it is just uh amazing.
1:13:45But um how we got here there is a story.
1:13:49Um it has to do with the idea of money.
1:13:52Okay. So we are really the first
1:13:54civilization and probably will probably
1:13:56be the last civilization to structure
1:13:59our entire lives around the idea of
1:14:00money.
1:14:01>> Right? 1694
1:14:03is really the beginning of a modern era
1:14:05because that is when the Bank of England
1:14:07is chartered. The Bank of England it is
1:14:10a um really strange idea which is the
1:14:14Bank of England will be will be um
1:14:18controlled by private interest. Okay, if
1:14:19you have money, you can put your money
1:14:21in the Bank of England, but
1:14:24this money will be guaranteed by the
1:14:28people of England. Right? Before uh
1:14:30you're a merchant and you want to grow
1:14:32your money, you had to lend your money
1:14:33to a king to fight his wars. And you
1:14:37know, the the king could die, the king
1:14:38could lose the war, the king could reite
1:14:40on his contract. There was a lot of risk
1:14:42involved. But the novelty of this is if
1:14:46you lend your money to a nation state,
1:14:50then you would always be guaranteed to
1:14:53be paid back as long as the nation state
1:14:55was still standing. And the bank and
1:14:57England was protected by the Royal Navy.
1:14:59It was an island. And so it's basically
1:15:01unconquerable. Okay. So, uh the Bank of
1:15:04England is basically private interests.
1:15:07Okay. Uh that put their money in the
1:15:10bank, but they're guaranteed by
1:15:12Parliament. you're lending money to
1:15:13parliament. And this is important
1:15:15because Bank of England becomes the
1:15:16model for the Federal Reserve, right?
1:15:19So, so Americans don't appreciate this,
1:15:20but the Federal Reserve is a private
1:15:24banking cartel. The US government
1:15:27controlled by people have absolutely no
1:15:29power to print money. It's a bank of
1:15:32it's the Federal Reserve that print that
1:15:33prints money. The US government has the
1:15:35right to borrow from the Federal
1:15:39Reserve. Okay? And [snorts] so this
1:15:42eventually leads to to the rise of of an
1:15:44idea called transnational capital. Okay,
1:15:47transnational capital. And now that you
1:15:50have transational capital in place, you
1:15:52need you need a religion in order to
1:15:56um promote this idea. And this religion
1:15:58is called Freemasonry. Okay. What is
1:16:00Freemasonry? Freemasonry
1:16:03believes
1:16:05that God is reason.
1:16:08Right? So God is pure reason. And not
1:16:13only that, but reason and emotion are
1:16:17separate. And this is actually a unique
1:16:19idea in human history because you look
1:16:22at all different um philosophies or
1:16:26religious traditions, spiritual
1:16:27traditions before um the enlightenment,
1:16:31they believe that reason was emotion,
1:16:33the mind was the heart. I and so why did
1:16:37the Freemasons believe that reason and
1:16:39emotion were in conflict? The reason why
1:16:42is for them reason is capital and
1:16:46emotion is prejudice. It is family. It
1:16:50is tradition. So whatever prevents the
1:16:52free flow of capital around the world is
1:16:56fundamentally wrong. Whatever promotes
1:16:59the free flow of capital around the
1:17:00world is good. Okay. So this idea
1:17:07that um reason is what should govern the
1:17:12world and that reason is God becomes the
1:17:15basis for capitalism in the modern world
1:17:17that we live in today. Okay? And it
1:17:21creates all sorts of innovation. So um
1:17:24let me explain what innovation is
1:17:26because people uh don't really
1:17:28appreciate it. But what innovation
1:17:30really is and think about it like like
1:17:33why do we have the internet? Why do we
1:17:34have satellites? Why do we have AI?
1:17:37Because innovation
1:17:40um is driven by
1:17:43um three things. Okay. The first thing
1:17:45is population growth. The second thing
1:17:48is specialization. So an area in an area
1:17:52specializes and the third thing is
1:17:53globalization.
1:17:55Does that make sense?
1:17:56>> Yeah.
1:17:56>> Right. And this is why we have 8 billion
1:17:58people and that's why there's so much
1:18:00free trade because um this is what
1:18:03allows for maximum innovation and this
1:18:05is what allows for uh maximum um
1:18:08economic growth. Okay. So um this is a
1:18:14big story of how money was created
1:18:18accidentally as an idea and how this
1:18:20idea of transnational capital now
1:18:22controls the world.
1:18:23>> Okay. But now that you have this maloo,
1:18:27this new um environment, the question
1:18:30then is okay, of all these different
1:18:33human groups in existence, who wields
1:18:37the most power or who is able to obtain
1:18:39the most power? The answer is secret
1:18:41societies.
1:18:43Okay, why? Because if you are if you are
1:18:49um live in a world of transational
1:18:50capital, you have to solve three
1:18:52problems. Okay, the first problem is
1:18:54information. Second problem is
1:18:56infiltration. The third problem is
1:18:58coordination. What I mean by that is if
1:19:01you're if you're an investor,
1:19:03if you try to play play the stock
1:19:04market, you'll probably get killed. So,
1:19:06you want to rig the stock market. And
1:19:08how do you rig the stock market? Well,
1:19:10you have spies in different
1:19:12bureaucracies feeding you information
1:19:15and then you coordinate with these spies
1:19:17in order to influence events. Okay? And
1:19:18a classic example is um the Roth Shaw
1:19:21family, right? Right. The Rossaw family
1:19:24um sent agents and family members all
1:19:27around Europe and um
1:19:31in the battle of Wateroo 1815
1:19:34they were the first to hear that
1:19:38Napoleon had been defeated. Okay. So
1:19:40what happened was they had an agent at
1:19:42the battle.
1:19:43The agent saw what happened and then the
1:19:45agent got into Corvette which is a fast
1:19:47ship, sailed across channel and told the
1:19:49Rothschild family, we won the we we won
1:19:51the battle. Okay. But then there were
1:19:54rumors that England had lost to Napoleon
1:19:58which caused a frenzy and and the frosts
1:20:00were able to buy up bonds really
1:20:02cheaply. Okay. And this happens all the
1:20:05time because these secret societies are
1:20:08able to uh infiltrate and they are able
1:20:12to coordinate,
1:20:13>> right?
1:20:13>> Okay. And that's what that's what
1:20:14controls the world. And so these
1:20:16societies include the Freemasons, they
1:20:20also include the Jesuits, they also
1:20:21include
1:20:23um you know Jewish groups. So to say um
1:20:29there are these Jewish singidists and
1:20:31Frankus and they're really in charge
1:20:33that is true to an extent. I think it's
1:20:35just better to say that we live in a
1:20:36world of transational capital. Okay. And
1:20:38and the world is governed by
1:20:40transational capital and secret
1:20:42societies are that are best able to
1:20:45conspire together will
1:20:49uh make more money than than other
1:20:51groups. And that's what's really driving
1:20:52the the uh the world today. Nick, I'm
1:20:55sure you have a lot to say about that,
1:20:56but
1:20:58do you think secret societies run the
1:21:01world in in 60 seconds? How do you see
1:21:05that? How do you see that?
1:21:07>> I was like 20 minutes.
1:21:08>> Um,
1:21:09>> I think yours will be a much simpler
1:21:10explanation.
1:21:11>> 20 minutes. Um, no. I I don't believe in
1:21:13the secret society thing. I don't
1:21:15believe in the Mason or Jesuit
1:21:17conspiracy or the Illuminati.
1:21:19>> Do you think Masons have any influence?
1:21:20>> Not anymore. No. I think at one time
1:21:22they did, but I mean, you look at the
1:21:23Freemason chapters today and it's a
1:21:25bunch of old hillbillies. I mean, that's
1:21:27what it is. I mean, you go to these like
1:21:29mid and small midsize and small towns in
1:21:31America and people's dads are in
1:21:33Freemason lodges and they're doing the
1:21:34rituals and which is all based on King
1:21:37Solomon's temple. But no, I I don't
1:21:39think that has any currency anymore. And
1:21:40you know, the Rothschilds, what you kind
1:21:42of left out there is it's a Jewish
1:21:43family. And the superpower that they had
1:21:46is they trusted each other and they were
1:21:48able to send all their people out to all
1:21:50the different cities in Europe. And it
1:21:52was it was the transnational nature of
1:21:54the Jewish diaspora which is what
1:21:56allowed them to do that to have a
1:21:58representative in every capital loyal to
1:22:01their own tribe not the country they
1:22:02resided in. So
1:22:04>> So you don't believe there's any secret
1:22:06societies that have influence on the
1:22:07world?
1:22:07>> I don't think so. I think that to the
1:22:09extent that there is secrecy, it's
1:22:11intelligence agencies. It's states, it's
1:22:13the Russian state, it's the American
1:22:15state, the British state, the Israeli
1:22:17state. To the extent that there is
1:22:19secrecy, it's the intelligence agencies.
1:22:21How the rest of the power is structured,
1:22:23I think, is the nation states. I mean, I
1:22:24I really believe it's it's the sort of
1:22:26AAM's razor who is able to command large
1:22:29amounts of people to kill and be killed
1:22:31and marshall capital and direct
1:22:33long-term projects. It's governments.
1:22:34It's states. Um, and having been up
1:22:38close and personal to people in like the
1:22:40Trump administration, for example,
1:22:42Lindsey Graham said this before he died,
1:22:43and I know he's like the arch neocon,
1:22:45but he said, you get in the Senate and
1:22:48you sort of say, uh, who's in charge
1:22:50here? How does this all work? And the
1:22:52realization is no one's in charge. It's
1:22:55all factions. It's factions on the
1:22:57highest level internationally, and then
1:22:59it's factions within the nation. So, for
1:23:02example, in America, it's the big
1:23:03political parties. it's the big
1:23:05companies and these big uh lowkey of
1:23:07power like big tech or Wall Street or
1:23:09whatever. And so I think it's it's not
1:23:12as uh sexy or or um secretive as people
1:23:16like to think it is. And u that would be
1:23:18my interpretation of it. And and I
1:23:20didn't say that it's um just Jewish
1:23:21secret societies. I just think that
1:23:23[snorts]
1:23:24what what Jewry is is it is a nation
1:23:28without a state. It's a nation without
1:23:30borders. And people realize there's
1:23:32others that exist like the Kurds.
1:23:35They're a nation without borders.
1:23:36They're they're a nation without a
1:23:38state, a stateless people. But the
1:23:40difference is that Jews have been this
1:23:41way for 2,000 years. They're in the most
1:23:43powerful countries like Russia, the
1:23:45Western capitals, America. And they have
1:23:48been resistant to any kind of
1:23:50assimilation for thousands of years. And
1:23:52it's almost built into their religion.
1:23:54and it's built into the Torah to resist
1:23:56assimilation through intermarriage or
1:23:59cultural assimilation. And I think
1:24:01that's what makes them a super powerful
1:24:03force. It's that you can have the Jews
1:24:06in England, the Jews in France, the Jews
1:24:08in America, the Jews in Israel
1:24:10coordinating, operating as something
1:24:13like a secret society, maybe less with
1:24:15secrecy, more with coordination and
1:24:16resistance to infiltration. And that's
1:24:18what gives them power over the rest of
1:24:20us that are not really playing the same
1:24:22kind of team sport that they are. And I
1:24:24do think that, you know, I think they're
1:24:25not Kazerians and I don't think they're
1:24:27um gnostic mystics. I think they're
1:24:29ethnically Jews and I think they
1:24:31practice the Jewish religion. Um so let
1:24:34me explain. Um so so your point of the
1:24:37Rothschilds, they're Jewish, right?
1:24:39Well, um they're also Stephanie Frankus.
1:24:43>> No.
1:24:43>> Yes, they are. Stephanie Frankus. Yes,
1:24:45they are.
1:24:45>> What's the evidence for this?
1:24:46>> Okay. All right. Um also you talk about
1:24:50>> what's the evidence for that? Um, so I I
1:24:53don't have the evidence at the top of my
1:24:54head, but
1:24:55>> it's not real
1:24:57that the Sabati Zeve and Jacob Frank
1:24:59were were marginal in Eastern Europe.
1:25:03>> No, no. Zevy and Jacob Frank were
1:25:05definitely not marginal figures.
1:25:07>> They were.
1:25:07>> So um, Zevi declared himself the Messiah
1:25:11in 1666.
1:25:12>> Mhm.
1:25:13>> And at that time at least a third of all
1:25:17Jews followed him. Okay. So a third of
1:25:20the entire Jewish diaspora thought this
1:25:22guy Zevi was the Messiah. Jacob Frank
1:25:25was not a marginal figure at all. Uh
1:25:28Jacob Frank um had uh followers in the
1:25:33European nobility
1:25:35um and among some of the most prominent
1:25:38um banking families.
1:25:40>> There's no evidence for that. It's not
1:25:41real.
1:25:42>> It it's called Wikipedia like like just
1:25:44go just Google Frank Wikipedia. It it
1:25:48tells you that
1:25:49>> like who who who's following Jacob
1:25:51Frank?
1:25:51>> You're saying the evidence for the
1:25:53Rothschilds being Frankst specifically?
1:25:55>> Yeah. Well, that and and the rest of it.
1:25:57I mean, I I think that this is like a
1:25:59popular
1:25:59>> Can you check that? C. Can you just see
1:26:01like if there's any evidence that the
1:26:02Rothschilds are Frankest?
1:26:04>> It's a popular conspiracy theory.
1:26:06>> There's no evidence for that.
1:26:07>> So, I mean, first of all, the seven
1:26:09Frankers were really powerful people um
1:26:12at that time. Um that's number one.
1:26:15Number two is you say that the Jewish
1:26:17diaspora was a transnational
1:26:19organization. True, but so were the
1:26:21Jesuits and so were the Freemasons.
1:26:23>> And you can argue the Jesuits and the
1:26:25Freemasons were much more impactful in
1:26:27European history than the um the um than
1:26:31the Jews. If you read Albert Pike's book
1:26:34morals and dogma um
1:26:37I mean there are Freemasons who believe
1:26:40that they are the ones who who spawn the
1:26:42French Revolution.
1:26:44Um
1:26:45>> yeah and but where are they today?
1:26:48>> Well I mean what often happens is these
1:26:52um societies they splinter off and
1:26:54become new um groups maybe sworn bones
1:26:58maybe nights templars. So I don't know
1:27:00enough about suicides to say like where
1:27:04they are who they are but but what I
1:27:06will say is
1:27:07>> but we could say who the Jews are today
1:27:09right Larry Ellison Netanyahu Jared
1:27:11Kushner but you can't name what's one
1:27:13prominent Freemason
1:27:14>> throughout history the Jews have always
1:27:17been the scapegoats in European history
1:27:19okay so so so so let me explain um my
1:27:24understanding okay and we can argue
1:27:26about this
1:27:27>> but when the Catholic church um became
1:27:30the dominant power in Europe. Uh the
1:27:34European nobility had a problem. The
1:27:36problem um was usery because at that
1:27:40time for very good reasons uh religious
1:27:43authorities outlaw usery. But at the
1:27:46same time usery was the most profitable
1:27:49activity you could ever engage in. All
1:27:51right. So what happened was the European
1:27:54nobility basically got the Jews
1:27:58to engage in usery
1:28:01um and um be the scapegoat. Not only
1:28:05that but because the Jews want to
1:28:08maintain their identity and they want to
1:28:10stay in Europe, they bas basically
1:28:12became the slaves and servants to eur
1:28:14European nobility because that's who pro
1:28:16provided them protection. the Catholic
1:28:18Church itself wanted the Jews around as
1:28:22the other. Okay. So, Augustine um in his
1:28:24writings talks about this how you know
1:28:26we need to set an example to good
1:28:30Christian people as to what will happen
1:28:32to them if they stray away. And the
1:28:34answer is they become like the Jews. The
1:28:36Jews live in ghettos. They're
1:28:37persecuted. They are uh ignored. Okay.
1:28:41So it served the purpose of both the
1:28:43European nobility and for the Catholic
1:28:45Church to have the Jews as scapegoats in
1:28:49society. [snorts] Um and things worked
1:28:52out well until you have disasters like
1:28:54like the black plague. Um in which case
1:28:57the Jews get blamed. So the Jews have
1:29:01were constructed
1:29:02as a uh almost like a um escape valve
1:29:06for the powers that be. And I think this
1:29:09is this is something that still actually
1:29:10continues today where it's so easy for
1:29:13the powers that be to blame the Jews for
1:29:16everything.
1:29:16>> H
1:29:16>> okay and then you ask yourself well why
1:29:19do the Jews actually put up with this
1:29:21right and the answer is they did most
1:29:23Jews actually converted in this in this
1:29:25time they converted to Christianity uh
1:29:27most of the early followers of Jesus
1:29:30were in fact Jews
1:29:31>> well yeah Jesus was a Jew
1:29:33>> Jew was a Jew. [laughter] Yes. Okay.
1:29:34Christianity was founded as a Jewish uh
1:29:37sect. Um Islam mo a lot of Jews
1:29:41converted to Islam. Most uh a lot of
1:29:44Muhammad's followers were Jews. Uh they
1:29:47were called the companions. Okay. So but
1:29:50there were certain groups of Jews who
1:29:53stayed loyal to the religion. They were
1:29:55the most fanatical. Why? Because in
1:29:57Judaism it's it's lineage. So the rabbis
1:30:00are in charge and they pass it on to
1:30:02their children. So it's in the best
1:30:04interest to actually work with the
1:30:06Europe European nobility and work with
1:30:08the Catholic Church um in order to
1:30:11maintain the power. Okay. and and um and
1:30:16there were a lot of reformers sat in
1:30:18Frank for example Sab Zevi who thought
1:30:23that the entire Jewish tradition was
1:30:25corrupt because it was really about
1:30:27exploiting the majority of Jews in order
1:30:30to support a nobility uh that was
1:30:33corrupt and um depraved and these and
1:30:36and and and these are called the rabbis.
1:30:38And so Sabatian and frankism was almost
1:30:41like not just a heresy but also a relig
1:30:43also revolution in Jewish Jewish
1:30:46history. And that's why sabling frankism
1:30:48is so often ignored um by mainstream uh
1:30:52Jewish thinkers.
1:30:55>> Yeah. I just think that this is all an
1:30:57attempt to exonerate organized jewelry.
1:31:00I think that and you know for example
1:31:01you brought up Kesler writing 13th
1:31:03tribe. Kesler said to a French biologist
1:31:06about the Kazerian hypothesis that
1:31:09Ashkanazi Jews are not the Jews of the
1:31:11Bible. They're from the Kazerian Empire
1:31:13from the the nomadic Turk tribes in the
1:31:15step. Kesler who wrote the theory
1:31:18popularized in the 1970s he said to a
1:31:20French biologist if I can convince
1:31:22people that the Jews descend from
1:31:24Kazerians and not the people of the
1:31:26Middle East. He said I can eliminate the
1:31:28racial basis for anti-semitism. And he
1:31:31actually wrote in the forward of his
1:31:32book, he said that if we can prove that
1:31:35this is the case, he said then we will
1:31:37prove that anti-semitism is effectively
1:31:39a hoax that people are blaming this
1:31:41group that isn't even really the people
1:31:43from the Middle East. And he said this,
1:31:44like you said, as a Zionist Hungarian
1:31:46Jew. So, you know, in effect, what does
1:31:48the Kazerian hypothesis do? It said,
1:31:51don't blame this group of people.
1:31:53They're not really Jews. So, they're not
1:31:55responsible for the coin clipping and
1:31:57the well poisoning and the uh
1:31:59sacrificing Christian children and all
1:32:00the things they're accused of doing in
1:32:02the Middle Ages in Europe um and the
1:32:05things that are even in their book in
1:32:06the Talmud. So, no, I mean I I I believe
1:32:08that Jews are real. They descend from
1:32:10the Middle East. They practice a Jewish
1:32:12religion. And I think that it's become
1:32:14very popular. People like Canis Owens
1:32:16and Tucker and I've heard you say it.
1:32:18The Sabati Frank theory, Sabatian uh
1:32:22Frankists, Sabati Savvy and Jacob Frank,
1:32:25the Kazerian hypothesis, all this other
1:32:28stuff is an attempt to basically deflect
1:32:30from the fact that there is a Jewish
1:32:32issue in the world. And you know, it
1:32:34sounds terrible to say that. I'm a
1:32:37Christian. We believe that Jews are a
1:32:38witness to the crucifixion of Christ. or
1:32:40witness population. So, Catholics
1:32:42believe it's actually the church's job
1:32:44to protect them and make sure they
1:32:45continue to exist. However, when they
1:32:49exist in America and Europe and they
1:32:50work corporately together and they work
1:32:52in their own best interest and not in
1:32:54the interest of the country they reside
1:32:56in, that's when it becomes a problem and
1:32:58it becomes an issue of sovereignty and
1:32:59that's where you need to say people like
1:33:01Larry Ellison shouldn't have power in a
1:33:03country like America.
1:33:03>> So, so you think Jewish supremacy is a
1:33:05source of all problems in America?
1:33:07>> No, I didn't say that.
1:33:08>> Okay. Jake, if you could just say like
1:33:11what do you think Nick misunderstands
1:33:13about Jewish influence on the world and
1:33:16Israel's influence on the world and then
1:33:18we should probably move on from the
1:33:20>> Yeah, I mean we can just do a very
1:33:22simple thought experiment. Okay, let's
1:33:24just give um the Infinity Gauntlet to
1:33:27Nick. Okay, you're now Thanos and with a
1:33:29snap of your finger, you can just say I
1:33:31will eliminate this group and then all
1:33:33the world's problems will be solved.
1:33:35Okay. You can pick one group and I can
1:33:37pick pick another group and we can
1:33:39figure out um using a thought experiment
1:33:42what the impact on the world will be.
1:33:44>> Mhm.
1:33:44>> Right. So So which group would you pick?
1:33:46>> Uh criminals.
1:33:47>> Criminals. Okay. Well, I would pick baby
1:33:51boomers.
1:33:53>> Now,
1:33:53>> and you think that would get rid of all
1:33:54the world's problems?
1:33:55>> I I mean I think that'd be much more
1:33:56effective than getting rid of criminals.
1:33:58>> But we have a problem of evil. That's
1:34:00the problem is evil uh in the world.
1:34:03>> You said so. So you're saying that
1:34:05criminals are much worse than than Jews?
1:34:07>> Than baby boomers and Jews. Yes.
1:34:09>> Okay. So I think baby boomers are much
1:34:11worse than than criminals and and and
1:34:13Jews. Yes, I do.
1:34:13>> But see, I don't I don't ever like this
1:34:15thought experiment because it's sort of
1:34:17just it belies the structural problem
1:34:20which is that a group that is not loyal
1:34:22to the country they reside in should not
1:34:25have power. And I would say the same
1:34:26about any other group. You know the
1:34:29these are a group of people like someone
1:34:30like Ben Shapiro. He's not loyal to
1:34:32America. He doesn't care about what's
1:34:33good for America. If America became bad
1:34:36for Jews, he would go somewhere else. If
1:34:38America stopped supporting Israel, he
1:34:40would stop supporting America. Someone
1:34:42like that should not influence the
1:34:44hearts and minds of millions of people.
1:34:45And and to me, it's really that simple.
1:34:46It's not about, you know, aren't they
1:34:48responsible for all the problems if we
1:34:50got rid of them with the, you know,
1:34:51there are a lot of good Jews. Like some
1:34:53of my best friends are Jews. I say this
1:34:54all the time. I don't want to get rid of
1:34:56them. It's just that we need to
1:34:58recognize the role of government, which
1:34:59is to look after its own people. and and
1:35:01Jews always have existed corporately,
1:35:04separately, in their own insular tribe.
1:35:07And as long as that's the case, I don't
1:35:08think there should be this uh
1:35:09integration necessarily.
1:35:11>> Do you think baby boomers are a problem?
1:35:13>> Um, no. I don't I don't think baby
1:35:15boomers have agency. They're just people
1:35:17that were born in a particular uh two
1:35:19decades.
1:35:20>> The baby boomers have all the power and
1:35:22the money and the status in United
1:35:23States right now.
1:35:25>> No, but not really though. I mean, how
1:35:27about someone like Elon Musk? He's not a
1:35:29baby boomer. Okay. So, uh let me make my
1:35:33argument. Okay. You you you can respond.
1:35:35Okay. So, um in 1960s and 70s, uh
1:35:38there's a scientist named James B.
1:35:40Calhoun.
1:35:41>> Mhm.
1:35:42>> And he ran something called a rat utopia
1:35:45experiment. So, he just wanted to know
1:35:47um if we were to live in a world of
1:35:49abundance, what would that mean for
1:35:51humanity? So what he did was he took a
1:35:54room like just as big as as this room
1:35:56and he created a rat colony and he made
1:35:59sure this rat colony was a paradise. So
1:36:02basically you were protected from
1:36:03predators, there were no hawks, there
1:36:04were no animals that would prey on you.
1:36:08Um
1:36:09there was free water, free food,
1:36:13and you could you could do whatever you
1:36:15want. It was it was basically a common
1:36:17society. Okay, it was like communism for
1:36:19rats and no matter and he spent 20 years
1:36:22doing these experiments and he had many
1:36:24different iterations but no matter what
1:36:26he did all it every time he did he ran
1:36:31this experiment it only ended in the
1:36:33genocide of the rats. The moral of the
1:36:35story is more than water, more than
1:36:38food, more than shelter,
1:36:40we strive for status, right? We want to
1:36:44be looked upon, looked up upon by our
1:36:46our peers. And so it doesn't matter if
1:36:50you're poor, but if you believe there
1:36:52social mobility in society, you will
1:36:54work hard and you'll be energetic and
1:36:56you you will be a productive member of
1:36:58society. But if there's a ceiling and
1:37:03there's no mobility at all, then um
1:37:06young people, especially young men,
1:37:09might start engaging in degenerate
1:37:11behavior. And I would say um radutopia
1:37:16helps explain a lot of what's going on
1:37:19in American society today. You have the
1:37:20baby boomers in charge. They are not
1:37:23retiring. They have all the money,
1:37:26power, and status in society. You've got
1:37:29a senator, a US senator, Chuck Grassley,
1:37:33who is
1:37:3694 years old and he is still in the
1:37:40Senate and he's in fourth in line to be
1:37:44president of the United States. If
1:37:45Donald Trump dies, JD Vance takes over.
1:37:47If JD Vance dies, Mike Johnson takes
1:37:49over. If Mike Johnson dies, Chuck
1:37:51Graasley, who again is 94 years old, he
1:37:55would become president of the United
1:37:57States.
1:37:58And you've got another guy, Mitch
1:38:00McConnell, and no one no one's really
1:38:02sure if he's dead or alive.
1:38:03>> Sort of in the middle. Yeah.
1:38:05>> Right. And so the question is, why is it
1:38:08these people are still around? Why
1:38:13aren't they retired and given room for a
1:38:16new generation of leaders to rise up?
1:38:19Um, we've been ruled by Boomers
1:38:23for decades now. Do you go to US
1:38:25University? Do you know what the average
1:38:27age of a university dean is right now?
1:38:30>> It's like 75 years old. This is the
1:38:31average age. So these are professors who
1:38:34are not retiring.
1:38:36And not only are they not retiring, but
1:38:38they're basically double dipping, right?
1:38:39So they're professors and they become
1:38:41university administrators. So they
1:38:42collect not only their pension, but also
1:38:45a salary as well. And meanwhile, the
1:38:48vast majority of professors at a
1:38:52university are adjunct, meaning meaning
1:38:54they make less than minimum wage. Sorry
1:38:57to cut you off, Jung. Uh, just Nick, do
1:38:59you see the gerontocracy, the baby
1:39:02boomers, as a major issue?
1:39:04>> I think they're over hated. I like the
1:39:06baby boomers because I think a lot of
1:39:08people don't realize the baby boomers
1:39:10are an extremely conservative force that
1:39:12once they're gone, America is going to
1:39:14go in a very different direction.
1:39:15Because what a lot of people don't
1:39:16realize is that's the base of the
1:39:18Republican party. And as much as I have
1:39:20my disagreements with the GOP, I want
1:39:22the GOP to be fundamentally destroyed
1:39:24and changed. If it's not the GOP, it's
1:39:28going to be the radical left. And I know
1:39:30that, you know, for a time we thought we
1:39:32had moved past that. But you look at
1:39:34this next generation, the Zoomers, what
1:39:36percentage of them are socialists? What
1:39:37percentage of them identify as far-left
1:39:39or moderately left? It's like 60 to 70%.
1:39:42It's a lot of them. And so I think that
1:39:45boomers die off. This becomes a much
1:39:47more progressive country. It becomes a
1:39:49much more diverse country. Um, and you
1:39:52know, let's not forget baby boomers
1:39:54remember what the world was like before
1:39:55all of the technology. These are people
1:39:57that still know how to fix things. These
1:39:59are people that still have a little bit
1:40:00of wherewithal, last generation to be
1:40:02drafted. Um, so I think they're a little
1:40:05bit over hated because you could say
1:40:07it's baby boomers that are the elites
1:40:08like a Chug Grassly and baby boomers
1:40:11have a larger share of the wealth. Uh,
1:40:13but by the same token, a lot of baby
1:40:14boomers are just people living on their
1:40:16social security on a fixed income. Uh,
1:40:19you know, trying to get by. So I I don't
1:40:21I don't think we can blame an entire
1:40:23generation for the problems of the
1:40:24country. I think you have to narrow the
1:40:26focus a little bit because you you are
1:40:27right. I mean, and you even see this in
1:40:29a microcosm in politics. It's these baby
1:40:31boomers lording over their fftoms.
1:40:34Little nonprofits, little political
1:40:36groups. Don't want to train up or give
1:40:39opportunity for the next generation. I
1:40:41certainly get the frustration, but it's
1:40:42just painting with too broad of a brush.
1:40:44I think a lot of baby boomers are good
1:40:46people. Nick, when you went on Tucker
1:40:48Carlson's show last year, uh, he said
1:40:52something along the lines of, "I was
1:40:54totally convinced you were a fed." And
1:40:55you told him, quote, "I thought you were
1:40:57a fed." Mhm.
1:40:58>> And since then, everyone online in
1:41:00podcasting particularly calls each other
1:41:03a fed. But I'll start with you, Nick. Do
1:41:06you think Professor Jang is just a high
1:41:08school teacher?
1:41:10Um, well, I don't know. And and here's
1:41:12the thing. I I don't like to engage in
1:41:16that kind of speculation because I think
1:41:18the ideas stand on their merits. What
1:41:21matters is a message, not the messenger.
1:41:23And um you know sometimes it can become
1:41:25relevant a person's associations or you
1:41:28know if there's things that appear
1:41:29contradictory or something but generally
1:41:32speaking you know whether whatever I
1:41:34believe about him or he believes about
1:41:36me what we talked about today is the
1:41:37ideas and the ideas live and die by
1:41:39their predictive power you know or or
1:41:41how close they are to the truth. And so
1:41:44um I get accused of being a fed all the
1:41:46time. Tucker called me that and he kind
1:41:48of started that whole rumor and and it's
1:41:51difficult because you know defending
1:41:54yourself from accusations then detracts
1:41:56from and takes away from the time you're
1:41:57talking about the ideas.
1:41:59>> And so I prefer to just tell people you
1:42:01know draw your own conclusions from what
1:42:03I say and and evaluate the ideas
1:42:05whatever you think about me. And I feel
1:42:07like the same is true about uh professor
1:42:09Jang.
1:42:10>> Professor would you agree with that
1:42:12stance?
1:42:12>> I I completely agree. I mean, I one
1:42:15reason why I'm really excited for this
1:42:16conversation is um I think Nick's a very
1:42:19smart and talented person with some
1:42:22really intriguing ideas. And so just
1:42:24sitting with um Nick and having a
1:42:27conversation has really opened my mind
1:42:29to new possibilities. It's really forced
1:42:31me to think much deeper about my own
1:42:34ideas and I I think that's what an
1:42:36honest and open debate should should do.
1:42:38I think more people should engage in
1:42:40open and honest debate. I think the
1:42:42worst thing that's ever happened is the
1:42:44the promotion of like DEI and cancel
1:42:47culture and deplatforming. Um and it's a
1:42:50very anti-liberal
1:42:52um and I think very anti-American and
1:42:54and very anti- humanitarian um idea.
1:42:58>> Um as humans I think we should all
1:43:00strive to engage with people who are
1:43:03different from us so we can learn from
1:43:05each other.
1:43:06>> Right.
1:43:08Well, in that case, uh, we'll do a quick
1:43:12light-hearted segment. Uh, I'm going to
1:43:14give you both a name, and I'd like you
1:43:17to give me one word to describe each
1:43:19person. Uh,
1:43:23Xi Jinping,
1:43:24smart.
1:43:28>> Um,
1:43:31um, uh, I will opt out. [laughter]
1:43:34>> Yeah.
1:43:35terrible. I can't think of a word. I
1:43:37can't think of a word that does not
1:43:39leader.
1:43:39>> Yeah. I cannot think of a word that does
1:43:41not get me into trouble. [laughter]
1:43:42Yeah. Yeah. Some certain words were
1:43:44floating my mind, but no. Yeah. I I will
1:43:47I will opt out. Yes.
1:43:48>> JD Vance.
1:43:50>> Fat.
1:43:51>> I think
1:43:54the word is eager.
1:43:56>> Sneo
1:43:57Brown.
1:43:59[laughter]
1:44:00You like him. He's your buddy.
1:44:02>> Yeah. Um, I think he's curious. Tucker
1:44:06Carlson.
1:44:08[sighs and gasps]
1:44:08>> The CIA.
1:44:11>> I think he's courageous.
1:44:15C, can I explain why we come with these
1:44:18words? Um, so Ter Carlson impresses me
1:44:23because he continues to do something
1:44:26that I've never seen anyone else do in
1:44:29uh the media to the degree he's done,
1:44:31which is he he constantly admits he's
1:44:35wrong.
1:44:36Uh, he admits he was wrong about his
1:44:39support for the Iraq war. He admits he
1:44:42was wrong about Muslims. Um, he admits
1:44:46he was wrong about Trump. And I think
1:44:48that this should be a daily habit of
1:44:52everyone in power and influence,
1:44:56>> right?
1:44:58>> Hunter Biden. [laughter]
1:45:00Uh, crackhead.
1:45:03>> He was dissing me on Twitter, so I'm I'm
1:45:05not being nice anymore. He He was on
1:45:07Bradley Martin talking trash.
1:45:09>> Really?
1:45:09>> Yeah. I said he could beat me up, which
1:45:10you probably could, but [laughter]
1:45:12whatever. You're a drug addict.
1:45:14>> Uh, memecoin. Hm. I thought he would be
1:45:18on the path to redemption, you know, and
1:45:19the guy starts a meme coin. Like, why
1:45:22would you do that? Candace Owens.
1:45:24>> Dumb.
1:45:27Um,
1:45:30I think she's
1:45:33brave. Trump,
1:45:36[cough]
1:45:38I don't know these. I don't know what to
1:45:40think of him anymore. Legend.
1:45:43[gasps]
1:45:44>> He's definitely energetic. H
1:45:47Nick Fuentes.
1:45:48>> Me?
1:45:51>> Is that your word? Me?
1:45:52>> Me? Doc, I'm me. I'm am me.
1:45:56>> Um, I I I I think Nick is very talented.
1:45:59>> Thanks, Professor Jeong.
1:46:01>> H fascinating,
1:46:06>> reflective,
1:46:06>> huh?
1:46:09Love that. on
1:46:12some of your predictions, Jean. One that
1:46:15Nick, I believe, has uh qualms with is
1:46:18the idea that Trump could potentially
1:46:20get a third term. But instead of asking
1:46:22about that,
1:46:25I just think you both kind of agree on
1:46:27this maybe slightly, the some of the
1:46:30ideas around it. Do you think America
1:46:33should have a dictator?
1:46:36>> Yes, I do.
1:46:37>> I I I actually agree with this.
1:46:38>> Let's go. Yeah, I agree. You need a dict
1:46:42You need a dictator now because the
1:46:43system is so fun fundamentally broken.
1:46:46Um it's so polarized and the elite are
1:46:50so uh degenerate. Um the oligarchs are
1:46:54stealing so much. You you need to break
1:46:56break the system down.
1:46:58>> Totally agree. We're stuck. I mean
1:47:00that's really the problem is we're stuck
1:47:02and a radical intervention is required
1:47:04that is not going to be brought on by
1:47:06the vote by a change in the money power.
1:47:09I agree the system fundamentally needs
1:47:11to be broken down and changed in a
1:47:14radical way. [gasps and sighs] So I mean
1:47:17the reality is that America is a
1:47:19crossroads. You can either have um a
1:47:24dictator or you can have another Joe
1:47:27Biden.
1:47:29Um, and I'm not sure if people want want
1:47:30to go back to Joe Biden.
1:47:32>> Joe Biden,
1:47:34maybe it was good for a certain segment
1:47:36of the population, right? The elite or
1:47:39the professional managerial class. But
1:47:42if you're just an average American, you
1:47:44saw inflation go way up. Um, you were
1:47:49constantly gaslit by the media, right?
1:47:52Clearly uh Joe Biden was scenile and Joe
1:47:55Scarbor goes on TV and says you know
1:47:57this man is in the best shape of his
1:48:00life and you know if you don't know that
1:48:03you don't believe that then f you. M um
1:48:06so I think and and also like clearly
1:48:09during the Biden years uh the United
1:48:11States was in a recession because
1:48:14because recession is just like two
1:48:15quarters of economic decline, right?
1:48:18>> But then rather than say we're in
1:48:20recession, Janet Yellen um of the
1:48:24Treasury uh Department says, "Well,
1:48:26we're going to change the definition of
1:48:28what recession means." So I think people
1:48:30are just sick of that. And and I think
1:48:31if you vote in another Democrat, you'll
1:48:33get the same thing. Um you'll get a sort
1:48:37of like consensus, lukewarm,
1:48:40feelgood
1:48:42um presidency, but that's about it. And
1:48:46to give people like an idea of this, uh
1:48:50since the Iran War started,
1:48:53Nick, what do you think was the last
1:48:55major decision Donald Trump made on his
1:48:57own? Hm. I think the Iran war was a
1:49:00decision he made on his own. And I think
1:49:02that's one of the central misconceptions
1:49:04about Trump. And I say that as someone
1:49:06that's been a part of the Trump movement
1:49:08or was part of it since it started. I
1:49:10was an enthusiastic supporter, door
1:49:12knocker, campaigned for him in 16 and
1:49:15went to stop the steel in 2020. And the
1:49:18narrative that Republicans tell
1:49:19themselves about him is that it's
1:49:21everybody else. It's the adviserss. It's
1:49:24the Democrats. It's the personnel in the
1:49:26White House. And we have actually had
1:49:29enough data now to see who's really at
1:49:31fault. Like take for example the
1:49:33personnel. In the first term, they said,
1:49:34"Well, Trump can't do what he said he
1:49:36would do cuz the personnel is not really
1:49:38on board. They're not America first.
1:49:41They're not MAGA. So they're sabotaging
1:49:43his agenda." Well, now DHS and
1:49:46Department of War is filled with America
1:49:48First Trump loyalists, and they're
1:49:49thwarted every day by him. the border
1:49:52wall will not be built because Trump
1:49:54can't get his friend to get the contract
1:49:56to do the work. So now he doesn't want a
1:49:58wall. And same thing with the Department
1:50:00of War. Elbridge KBY is the chief
1:50:02strategist in the Pentagon. He's a
1:50:04restrainer. He says we should focus on
1:50:06hemispheric defense and the Caribbean
1:50:08and the Western Hemisphere. We're at war
1:50:10with Iran because Trump was convinced by
1:50:13Netanyahu and by a handful of other
1:50:15people. Um so it's not the personnel.
1:50:17It's not the advisers. the advisers have
1:50:20changed over the past 10 years. And you
1:50:21know, by the way, Trump picks those
1:50:22people. So, we had a situation back in
1:50:25February with the Iran war where
1:50:27everybody understand understood it was a
1:50:30bad idea. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs,
1:50:32head of the Navy, head of the Army, Vice
1:50:33President Don Jr., and they couldn't
1:50:36fully advise against it because they
1:50:39knew Trump wanted the war because Trump
1:50:41likes Netanyahu and Netanyahu wanted the
1:50:44war. And so out of fear of being fired
1:50:47or ostracized in the admin, they
1:50:49couldn't give their full opinion. So
1:50:50they said, "Hey, we support the policies
1:50:52of the president, it's 100% behind you."
1:50:54At the end of the day, I think the
1:50:55problem is him. And what is contained in
1:50:58this idea, by the way, is that people
1:51:01think if we could just get the system
1:51:03right, got to get the advisors, the
1:51:05personnel. I think it's really just a
1:51:07question of leadership. And that's what
1:51:08Trump promised to change in 16. He
1:51:10fundamentally said, "America needs a
1:51:13leader." not like, "Hey, vote for me.
1:51:16We're going to change the policies." He
1:51:17said, "No, America needs a leader to
1:51:19give us a vision and be the cheerleader
1:51:22for the country." He said, "And
1:51:23literally take the country and make it
1:51:25great again. Bypass the money power, the
1:51:28corruption, the media." And I think that
1:51:32was the promise of Trumpism. That's what
1:51:33people got excited about. And he just
1:51:35didn't deliver. You know, he turned out
1:51:36to just be another politician. So, at
1:51:38the end of the day, Iran war, COVID
1:51:40lockdown, BLM, it came down to the
1:51:42leadership of the guy in that office.
1:51:45It's him.
1:51:47>> No, I I actually agree with Nick's
1:51:49analysis. It's a It's pretty incredible
1:51:51to think about, but in Trump's first
1:51:53term, he was probably probably one of
1:51:54the weakest presidents in US history
1:51:57because really no one actually followed
1:51:59his orders, [laughter] right? Um but in
1:52:02his second term, he's proven to be one
1:52:04of the most powerful presidents in um US
1:52:08history. And quite honestly, you can
1:52:09make the argument that he's probably the
1:52:11most powerful president ever just
1:52:13because the president has uh accumulated
1:52:16so much power over the past few uh
1:52:18decades. And it seems very much that the
1:52:21president is moving towards something
1:52:23called a unit unitary executive um
1:52:26almost like a monarch really. And and
1:52:28that's a trend we're seeing. And Nick,
1:52:31you don't think Trump will be elected a
1:52:32third term?
1:52:33>> No, I I don't think he'll seek it. I
1:52:35think that Trump is um the calamity of
1:52:39Trump is that he's always gesturing
1:52:41towards a power grab or a dictatorship,
1:52:44but he just simply lacks the
1:52:46bureaucratic and administrative knowhow
1:52:48and the followrough to achieve it. So,
1:52:50for example, like he's doing this thing
1:52:51with these mail-in ballots where they
1:52:53got DHS to make a list of all the
1:52:55voters, telling the post office to throw
1:52:57out the envelopes of people that mailed
1:53:00in their ballot that aren't eligible.
1:53:02And it's like that that is something
1:53:03that is really just a power grab. That's
1:53:05like something where Republicans are not
1:53:08favored in mail in ballots. So, they're
1:53:10just going to simply constrict them,
1:53:12which will hurt the Democrats. It's a
1:53:13power play. Uh but it's such a
1:53:16illconceived idea. It's not going to
1:53:18make it through the Supreme Court. All
1:53:20it does is antagonize the left and
1:53:22gesture towards a naked power grab
1:53:25without the benefits or the effects of
1:53:27actually doing one. So theoretically, I
1:53:30think he wants a third term probably
1:53:32because that makes him protected against
1:53:35any future persecution. He gets all the
1:53:37privileges and the perks. But I I just
1:53:39don't think he has the wherewithal uh to
1:53:41pull it off. I just think he's just a
1:53:43buffoon at this point. Well, I mean, I
1:53:46just said that Trump right now is
1:53:48probably the most powerful US president
1:53:50ever. Um, so he has he has a lot of
1:53:53tools at his disposal. He could declare
1:53:57a a war emergency. Uh, suspend the
1:54:00constitution. Um, he could uh there are
1:54:04a lot of tools available to him that I
1:54:06think are not imaginable right now. The
1:54:09other thing I will point out is
1:54:12um the pace of change, the
1:54:14accelerationism. It's kind of
1:54:15incredible, right? I mean, just think
1:54:17about all the things that have happened
1:54:19uh these past
1:54:22like this past year. January 3rd, you
1:54:24had the kidnapping of Maduro.
1:54:27Um then a couple months later, you have
1:54:30this war start in in Iran. I mean,
1:54:34things are happening really fast. And
1:54:36you you ask yourself um why are they
1:54:39happening this fast? And how much power
1:54:42is Trump accumulating for himself in
1:54:44this process? And Nick, in your view,
1:54:47what is like why is Trump able to
1:54:49exercise more power than previous US
1:54:51presidents?
1:54:52>> Well, it is the deference of his
1:54:54personnel to him. I mean, every
1:54:56president can appoint about four to
1:54:585,000 political hires. Those are the
1:55:00people that transition from one admin to
1:55:02the next. And these people are just uh
1:55:04they're basically sick of fants. And I
1:55:06know because I know a lot of them, they
1:55:08go to these parties in DC and
1:55:10>> everybody's against the war. But you go
1:55:12to like a party and people say, "So what
1:55:13do you think about the war?" And people
1:55:15say, "I support the policies of the
1:55:16president of the United States." It's
1:55:18like a dictator. It's like Stalinism. Um
1:55:20in the sense that the admin has to be so
1:55:23loyal to Trump or else they'll be
1:55:25ostracized. I think that's a big part of
1:55:27it. They are grabbing power with
1:55:29executive orders, with Doge coming in
1:55:31and and bringing these sweeping changes
1:55:33to how these agencies and departments
1:55:35work. They really are doing a lot of
1:55:37administrative things to expand the
1:55:38scope of the White House's power. Um,
1:55:41it's a lot of administrative and
1:55:42bureaucratic stuff, but I think
1:55:44fundamentally Trump is just, and maybe
1:55:47this is a disagreement because I'm just
1:55:49so frustrated with Trump. I wish he
1:55:50would go further. But so for example
1:55:53with the ICE raids, they got a little
1:55:55bit of push back in Minneapolis, a
1:55:57little bit of push back in LA and they
1:56:00withdrew. They retreated. You know, they
1:56:02surged Customs and Border Patrol and
1:56:03ICE. They got these protests. They had
1:56:06to kill a couple people. Protests
1:56:08worsened and they pulled out. Same thing
1:56:10with Doge. They brought everybody in
1:56:12ripping everything apart that wasn't
1:56:14bolted down and then federal judges and
1:56:17Congress intervened and they shut it
1:56:18down. And so, uh, I I think that, like I
1:56:21said, Trump is he's a tactical guy, but
1:56:23not strategic. It's all flying by the
1:56:26seat of his pants. It's all ad hoc.
1:56:28There's never a plan, and then there's
1:56:30never follow through. I think it's a
1:56:31little bit of push back, and then he
1:56:33takes the path of least resistance. So,
1:56:35it's true that he's expanded the power,
1:56:37but I I don't think he's exercising it
1:56:39efficiently.
1:56:41>> Um, I would completely disagree with
1:56:44Nick's analysis here. I I think Trump is
1:56:47a unique historical figure. Um, and
1:56:52I've never seen the political comeback
1:56:55that that that he achieved, right? Cuz
1:56:57like you go back to January 6, 2021, he
1:57:02was dead in the water, right? His most
1:57:04of his cabinet had abandoned him. Um it
1:57:07almost seemed like a headsh shot where
1:57:09okay uh the president is um provoking an
1:57:14insurrection in the capital, right? So
1:57:17it just seemed like this guy was just
1:57:18dead politically. Even his
1:57:21[clears throat]
1:57:22daughter
1:57:23>> sort of sh like shunned him, right? Sort
1:57:25of walked away from him and like cleanse
1:57:26her like clean her hands like like I'm
1:57:28I'm not part of this this, right? And it
1:57:31really was
1:57:33um I mean like I I really think that
1:57:36after he went back to Mara Lago he
1:57:39really was in about I mean like he was
1:57:42really depressed and he felt hopeless
1:57:45and then who could predict that a few
1:57:48years later he would um be the president
1:57:52again. So, I I I don't think to say he's
1:57:57not strategic uh and he's just a dumbass
1:58:00who got lucky. I I I think that that
1:58:02like helps us explain what's going on
1:58:04here. So, um I So, I I'll make certain
1:58:09comments about who he is. And then Nick,
1:58:12you you actually met this guy. I've
1:58:14never met this guy. All right. I mean,
1:58:16um, but I will say, um, first of all,
1:58:20his personality makes him uniquely ideal
1:58:25for the presidency because if you look
1:58:28at other presidents, whether it's Obama
1:58:31or Clinton or Bush, the job exhausts
1:58:35you. It's the hardest job in the world.
1:58:37And we look at Donald Trump, the guy's
1:58:4080 years old.
1:58:41>> He's still going strong. Um and so uh he
1:58:47just loves being president of the United
1:58:50States and there's certain arrogance to
1:58:53him that I think is very important.
1:58:55Right? A sense of self- entitlement
1:58:56arrogance like I deserve this position
1:58:59uh because then you can ban reality to
1:59:01your will. Right? Maybe Obama was too
1:59:03differential and that and therefore he
1:59:05was a pretty weak uh president. So his
1:59:07personality is um really uh larger than
1:59:11life. But I will also say that what what
1:59:14people don't recognize about him is the
1:59:18level of his ambition. I think in his
1:59:21head
1:59:23he does believe he is a mezzanic figure
1:59:26of some sort. And again, you know better
1:59:28than I do. You've actually met the guy.
1:59:30Okay. But I cannot believe that this guy
1:59:34is going to endure so much in order to
1:59:39just be president. He must have a larger
1:59:42mission at play. This guy, Donald Trump,
1:59:45he does not drink and he's lived a very
1:59:50disciplined life. Now, I I know that
1:59:51sounds kind of oxonic because he slept
1:59:54with a lot of um you know, playboy,
1:59:58playmates, and he comes across like a
2:00:01jackass, but there's like he's lived a
2:00:06life where he engaged in criminality
2:00:10without actually ever breaking the law.
2:00:13That's kind of impressive, man. and you
2:00:14know to like be a ma mafia figure and
2:00:16not ever uh be indicted for anything. So
2:00:21I so I think that what drives him is a
2:00:24deep sense of mission because otherwise
2:00:28why else would you want to become
2:00:30president of United States? I mean just
2:00:32as a joke, just as a meme.
2:00:33>> Mhm.
2:00:34>> Um and I mean he worked his ass off to
2:00:38get to where to where he is. In 2016, he
2:00:42was doing two, three rallies a day. Um,
2:00:45he was constantly on social media. Um,
2:00:49in 2024, Camala Harris, Donald Trump, I
2:00:52would just say Donald Trump just
2:00:53outworked Camala Harris, right?
2:00:55>> Yeah.
2:00:56>> Donald Trump was willing to go on any
2:00:58and all podcasts. Camala Harris like,
2:00:59"No, you can't ask me this question. You
2:01:01can't ask me that question."
2:01:02So, I I think that Donald Trump is a
2:01:06unique historical figure and he
2:01:09surprised everyone before and I think
2:01:10he'll surprise everyone later on.
2:01:13>> Nick, do you think Trump believes he's
2:01:16Jesus like some messianic figure or do
2:01:18you think it's the point of this
2:01:20presidency has really just been make as
2:01:21much money for the Trump family as
2:01:23possible?
2:01:23>> I think it's possible. I I don't get the
2:01:26sense though that Trump thinks deeply
2:01:28about ideas, about religion, about
2:01:31politics. I I think there's a
2:01:32grandiosity. You're 100% right. Uh but I
2:01:35think it's it's motivated by vanity. You
2:01:37know, why does he want to be the
2:01:38president? I think it's the same reason
2:01:39he puts his name on the building.
2:01:41There's a giant Trump sign in Chicago,
2:01:43Trump Hotel or, you know, Trump Tower in
2:01:46New York. He liked the idea of it's me
2:01:48as the president. And you know, there's
2:01:50a famous advertisement he did, I think,
2:01:52for like Domino's Pizza or something
2:01:54where he says Napoleon, Alexander the
2:01:56Great, Donald Trump. Like he sees
2:01:58himself as like I said, and I think
2:02:00you're right. this ambition, this
2:02:02grandiosity, but I think there's
2:02:03something fundamentally hollow about it.
2:02:05He doesn't seem to me to be ideological,
2:02:08to be religious, to be mystical even, or
2:02:11even thoughtful at all. He seems to be
2:02:12like an instinctual individual. And I
2:02:15think that so much of what has happened
2:02:16is instinct, one thing leading into the
2:02:20next. Like you're right about January
2:02:226th, for 2 years, he was cooked. Yeah.
2:02:25After J6, he was done. and even until
2:02:28the midterms. In the midterms in 22, he
2:02:32denounced Dantis a couple days before
2:02:34the election and it seemed like
2:02:36everybody had turned on him because they
2:02:37said, "Why are you attacking a
2:02:39Republican days before the election?
2:02:41That's not helpful." After Dantis won by
2:02:4420 points, people ready to throw him
2:02:45out. He couldn't raise money as late as
2:02:48December 22, January 23. It wasn't until
2:02:51the raid at Mara Lago in August of 23
2:02:54and those indictments in March of 24
2:02:56coming down and then the conviction in
2:02:58Manhattan that Trump was able to
2:03:01snowball some more support and get back
2:03:03in the game. And uh and I think that
2:03:05that was just out of necessity to avoid
2:03:07jail time because he would have been
2:03:09sent up forund and some years between
2:03:10all those different cases. And it's not
2:03:13to take away cuz I I agree with you. I
2:03:15don't think he's a dumbass. I think he's
2:03:17brilliant and he's a beast in terms of
2:03:19his work ethic and a brilliant promoter
2:03:22and a campaigner, but I think that it's
2:03:25those organizational skills that he
2:03:27lacks as president. It's it's that skill
2:03:30for governing, you know, that like a
2:03:31Joseph Stalin might have to create the
2:03:33state apparatus to create, you know,
2:03:35this genius to create the bureaucracy
2:03:37and and actually action the agenda. I
2:03:40think that's what he lacks. It's
2:03:41possible that maybe some of the people
2:03:43around him have convinced him and maybe
2:03:45he likes the idea that he's a messianic
2:03:47figure, but I think it's more he likes
2:03:50the idea of it because it's self
2:03:51arandizing than that he has like a deep
2:03:54conviction about it. I think um to
2:03:56appreciate the uniqueness of Trump
2:04:02um what he did um his change from the
2:04:07first term to second term it required
2:04:09radical self reinvention
2:04:12and that is really uh a superpower to
2:04:16just completely change how you perceive
2:04:19the world. Um because in his first term
2:04:22remember he was not at all effective.
2:04:24Mhm.
2:04:25>> Um people just regularly disobeyed his
2:04:28orders. And even Mark Millie, the
2:04:31chairman of the joint chief of staff, he
2:04:33called the Chinese, his Chinese counter
2:04:35says, "Ignore this guy. He's not really
2:04:37in charge." Um and now in the second
2:04:39term, he's completely in charge. This
2:04:41requires radical self-invention. So, it
2:04:43seems easy, but it's not because um you
2:04:48need to reflect on what you did wrong
2:04:50the first time and then make adjustments
2:04:55and learn from your mistakes. And I
2:04:58don't know that many people in the world
2:04:59who who who do that. I I think um if any
2:05:04other US president he were to encounter
2:05:07this level of adversity, I think he
2:05:11would just fold under pressure. Obama
2:05:13would does not have the capacity for
2:05:15radical self-invention.
2:05:16Um certainly not Joe Biden, not even
2:05:19Bill Clinton. So not even George Bush.
2:05:22So like I mean I don't think we can
2:05:25truly appreciate the level of his
2:05:29genius. It's I mean um he will never
2:05:32dwell on the SAT, right? But the way
2:05:36that he's just able to capture and
2:05:39control the public narrative about
2:05:41everything, that's just astonishing.
2:05:44I mean, everything's about him, right? I
2:05:47mean, it it's just crazy the level of
2:05:51attention he gets from everyone. Yeah.
2:05:54On the topic of Trump being God uh or
2:05:58thinking he's Jesus perhaps
2:06:00both you believe many
2:06:03uh energized people believe the world
2:06:05ends with the building of the third
2:06:06temple and maybe the rise of the
2:06:10Antichrist. Uh Nick believes Jesus is
2:06:13God. Professor, you believe that the
2:06:15true God is something that you call the
2:06:17Monad. Nick, who do you think Jesus
2:06:20Christ is or was? I believe well he is
2:06:24the son of God. I think he's a person of
2:06:26the trinity. And the way that a uh a
2:06:30Catholic would say it is that in the
2:06:32beginning you have God the father. We
2:06:34have the monad. And what does God do?
2:06:37What is the God is a mind. God is an
2:06:39intellect. So the thing that God does is
2:06:41God thinks. And what God thinks about is
2:06:44himself. And how he makes himself
2:06:47intelligible and comprehensible as he
2:06:49begets eternally what we would say is
2:06:51the logos. the kind of intellectualized
2:06:55version of himself. And it's this
2:06:57relationship between the father and the
2:06:59son. It's this generation, this begotten
2:07:03entity, this relationship between them
2:07:05that we would call the holy spirit.
2:07:07That's how a Christian would describe
2:07:08the trinity. And so I would say Jesus
2:07:10Christ is this eternally begotten part
2:07:13of God. Well, not part, it's not
2:07:15technically correct, but it's a it's a
2:07:18figure of the godhead. Professor, you've
2:07:21said previously the Apostle Paul was
2:07:25quote a spy for the Roman Empire and
2:07:28kind of implied he was the true founder
2:07:30of Christianity or like uh evangelized
2:07:33it in a way like made it popular. Do you
2:07:35think the church changed Jesus's
2:07:38message?
2:07:39Yeah. So, um I think Jesus
2:07:44was a miracle.
2:07:46Um because this was a man with no
2:07:51status, no power society, but he was
2:07:55able to channel the vine and speak
2:07:57poetry in a way that moved people to to
2:08:02tears. Like the sermon on the mount is
2:08:04one of the greatest piece of poetry ever
2:08:06written. It's just beautiful and it's
2:08:08very moving and I think just reciting it
2:08:11uh connects you to the divine uh it it
2:08:14elevates and transcends your your
2:08:17situation. So I think in that way Jesus
2:08:20was a genius. He was a poet, prophet and
2:08:23he was a miracle and just the idea of
2:08:26Jesus is able to give uh people hope
2:08:29even today. Um that's why you have two
2:08:31billion Christians in in the world.
2:08:35But his message is problematic because
2:08:39his ultimate message is each of us has
2:08:43divine connection to God. But if that's
2:08:46the case, why do you have hierarchy? Why
2:08:49do you have inequality? Why do you have
2:08:50debt? None of this makes sense. But in
2:08:53order for civilization to progress, you
2:08:56need hierarchy. You need debt. You need
2:08:58inequality. And so um Jesus was this
2:09:02revolutionary figure that you could
2:09:04never stamp out because he spoke to the
2:09:07heart and and just the idea of Jesus
2:09:09just hearing his words just speaking his
2:09:11words could move people to tears and um
2:09:15the people became fearless
2:09:18and um they transcended the all fears
2:09:21and ego just w just hearing the poetry
2:09:25of Jesus. And so because of this threat
2:09:28to authority, authority figures needed
2:09:30to somehow cage uh Jesus in a way that
2:09:36was manageable, right? So it's a divine
2:09:38spark. Uh it's a fire and it threatens
2:09:41to like burn down all authority, right?
2:09:44So what do you do? Well, you put a cage
2:09:45around it. You you put it in a glass
2:09:49um cage so that people can admire it,
2:09:52but it's not going to burn down society.
2:09:54And that and that's the role of Paul
2:09:56because um Paul his message was okay
2:10:01Jesus was great his poetry is wonderful
2:10:04his message is fantastic but we need
2:10:06structure we need hierarchy and that's
2:10:08what the church is a a church is a way
2:10:12to bring order and structure to our
2:10:15movement
2:10:17and in doing so he was doing the bidding
2:10:20of authority.
2:10:23Is there a specific belief uh or message
2:10:26that you think was changed of Jesus?
2:10:29>> Yeah, there were a lot but the major one
2:10:31was Jesus is God.
2:10:34>> Whereas Jesus would have never said
2:10:35that. What Jesus would have said if you
2:10:37actually look at what what he said and
2:10:39we have actually have a lot of those
2:10:42things is we are all part of God. God is
2:10:45part of us. We're all connected to God.
2:10:47>> Uh therefore you do not need
2:10:50intervention. you do not need an
2:10:52intermediary,
2:10:54right? And and like but to say Jesus is
2:10:56a god is to say nope. There's an uh
2:10:58middle intermediary in the process and
2:11:02that's Jesus. And so um I think Jesus
2:11:04would would have been very upset if to
2:11:07for him to hear Jesus is God.
2:11:10>> Well, I I guess the missing part is the
2:11:12crucifixion and resurrection because uh
2:11:15you know it's fine and well to say Jesus
2:11:17was a great guy, said a lot of great
2:11:19stuff. if we consider him in the
2:11:20pantheon of great human beings or maybe
2:11:22you know representations of God who
2:11:24channeled God but he's crucified on the
2:11:28cross dies rises again and appears to
2:11:32his disciples appears to the early
2:11:34Christian community and so I think it's
2:11:36difficult to account for that by saying
2:11:39he was just a social activist or a
2:11:42teacher I mean how how would you account
2:11:43for that do you think he was crucified
2:11:45uh and or do you think he was
2:11:47resurrected
2:11:48>> um So I think there's a lot of debate
2:11:53about this. Um so you look at the
2:11:55Islamic tradition which does worship
2:11:57Jesus as messenger of of God. He was the
2:12:00pen ultimate. Muhammad was the ultimate
2:12:02>> right.
2:12:02>> They never talk about his uh crucifixion
2:12:05and resurrection. Mhm.
2:12:06>> Um the um Islamic tradition is
2:12:09influenced by the Ntorian Christian
2:12:11tradition uh which is u which comes from
2:12:16um uh James the just who is the brother
2:12:19of Jesus and the person the person who
2:12:21inherited the movement after the death
2:12:23of Jesus and the never talk about the
2:12:26the cru crucifixion of Jesus as well. uh
2:12:30the the if you look at the gospel of
2:12:32Thomas which is probably earliest
2:12:35written text we have of the teachings of
2:12:39Jesus there's really no talk of his
2:12:42sacrifice as well so um the gospel of
2:12:46Thomas was the earliest of the gospels
2:12:48>> that's apocryphal though
2:12:50>> yeah so um so so what Nick is saying is
2:12:52that this is not part of the cannon it's
2:12:55not recognized by the church but
2:12:57scholars believe that this the gospel of
2:12:59Thomas was the earliest of the Gnostic
2:13:01gospels or of all the gospels.
2:13:04>> Yes. And and there are scholars who
2:13:05believe that all four gospels are based
2:13:08on the gospel of Thomas.
2:13:09>> Really?
2:13:09>> Yeah. Because the gospel of Thomas has
2:13:12his complete sayings which then became
2:13:14incorporated in the other gospels. The
2:13:16gospel of Matthew, the gospel of Mark.
2:13:18>> The problem though is it becomes
2:13:20unintelligible without the crucifixion.
2:13:22How do you make sense of the kiss of
2:13:24peace, the last supper, all the events
2:13:27preceding the crucifixion without the
2:13:29crucifixion, the betrayal by Judas and
2:13:31so on?
2:13:31>> So if you study the gospel of Thomas by
2:13:33itself and you look you incorporate all
2:13:36of other all of other uh so if you
2:13:40incorporate Jesus' other sayings in the
2:13:41other gospels, right? If you just take
2:13:44take that um as your library and you
2:13:46compare it to the teachings of Zorusra
2:13:51and of Buddha and of Homer and of Dante,
2:13:56there's a remarkable consistency in
2:13:58messaging. Um, so I would argue that
2:14:03what happened was Jesus was a poet who
2:14:07was able to channel the vine and he
2:14:10spoke words that um were truth
2:14:15encapsulated in words and therefore they
2:14:18were able to ignite the imagination
2:14:22um of the people around him which is the
2:14:24same thing that Homer did um in
2:14:27classical in in in during the Greek dark
2:14:29ages. is the same thing that Dante did
2:14:32before the Renaissance, the same thing
2:14:34that uh Zorathusra did. Um that's that's
2:14:38what I believe happened.
2:14:40>> Yeah. I guess I just I think it's real
2:14:42events. I think the gospels which date
2:14:44to 50 AD about 20 or 30 years after
2:14:47Jesus was crucified that tell the story
2:14:50of the crucifixion that he was charged
2:14:54by the Jewish community for claiming to
2:14:55be God. That's why he was crucified
2:14:58because he said before Abraham was I am.
2:15:00That was a claim that he was God. And
2:15:02that's why they had to sentence him to
2:15:03death. And and then those are all the
2:15:05biggest developments in the Christian
2:15:07religion is the last supper and uh going
2:15:09into the garden and and every you know
2:15:11Peter denying Christ three times. So and
2:15:14what's more I would say this is
2:15:16supported by the fact that 11 out of the
2:15:1812 apostles were martyed by the Roman
2:15:21Empire defending the resurrection of
2:15:23Christ and his divinity. So
2:15:25historically, I just I don't think it
2:15:27makes sense that all the gospel stories
2:15:29are made up, that the crucifixion,
2:15:31resurrection was made up, that it it was
2:15:32all this elaborate work of fiction. And
2:15:34I also don't think it could have spread
2:15:36that far if it wasn't based on the
2:15:37truth. If people didn't witness the
2:15:40resurrection, because Christ did appear
2:15:41to hundreds and hundreds of people after
2:15:43the resurrection. And um so I I believe
2:15:46it's history. Nick, I'm curious of this.
2:15:48Why do you trust the Catholic Church
2:15:50when you typically distrust other
2:15:53powerful institutions?
2:15:55>> Well, it's not that I trust the Catholic
2:15:57Church. It's that we have the documents
2:15:59that we have the historical gospels from
2:16:012,000 years ago. And we have secular
2:16:03sources too from Tacitus and Josephus
2:16:06that describe the existence of Christ.
2:16:09And you know the story of Christ
2:16:12fulfills I think something like 450
2:16:14prophecies in the Old Testament for
2:16:16which we have documents that precede
2:16:18Christ that describe where he would come
2:16:20and the manner in which he would come
2:16:22and that he would be baptized and the
2:16:23manner in which he would be killed and
2:16:25so on. 450 prophecies described in
2:16:28ancient Hebrew scripture that then
2:16:30Christ fulfills.
2:16:32Martyrs go to their death defending this
2:16:34account. I mean to me there's very
2:16:36there's more historical evidence for
2:16:37these events than for a lot of other
2:16:39historical figures. Um you know like so
2:16:41for example the Muslims will say well
2:16:44Jesus was the penultimate prophet and he
2:16:46they actually call him the Messiah
2:16:47although it's it's a little tricky what
2:16:49they really mean by that
2:16:51>> and and they believe he will return as
2:16:52well.
2:16:53>> Right. Exactly. Um however the Quran
2:16:56doesn't come until 700 years after
2:16:58Christ. The Gospels are 20 years after
2:17:00Christ. So why would the Quran be a more
2:17:03faithful representation than the Gospels
2:17:05which they say were corrupted?
2:17:06>> Right?
2:17:07>> That's that's my belief.
2:17:09>> The one area you guys do agree on on
2:17:12this I believe is Professor Jeang. Do
2:17:14you think America
2:17:16should be a Christian nation?
2:17:18>> I do. Hm.
2:17:21My understanding of US history was um it
2:17:24was founded by
2:17:27um the pilgrims
2:17:30and they came to create the new
2:17:32Jerusalem. And I don't think if they
2:17:35came with this messic mission, you could
2:17:39have the United States because at that
2:17:41time
2:17:41>> do you agree with that?
2:17:43>> With what?
2:17:43>> The new Jerusalem idea of the United
2:17:45States. uh which is
2:17:47>> heaven on earth,
2:17:49>> right? I mean that's that's why God
2:17:52created humanity so that humanity can do
2:17:56his good work and create heaven on earth
2:17:59so that he can smile upon us the new the
2:18:02new Jerusalem.
2:18:03>> Mhm. Yeah. I mean we believe that that's
2:18:06actually going to be a supernatural
2:18:08phenomenon at the end of time.
2:18:10>> Yeah. So um so if you look at North
2:18:14America uh before the coming of the
2:18:16pilgrims they tried settlements it never
2:18:19worked out because the conditions were
2:18:21too harsh. Um so the fact that the
2:18:24pilgrims were able to come and survive
2:18:26so many winters. Um I think is just from
2:18:30the from from that perspective it was a
2:18:31miracle and so there was always this
2:18:35religious
2:18:36uh mission that in the founding of the
2:18:39United States it became coupled with the
2:18:42enlightenment mission of spreading
2:18:44reason
2:18:45>> um the Freemasons right what they call
2:18:47the holy empire of of reason. So these
2:18:49are the two major strands
2:18:52uh undergirling the founding of the
2:18:53United States. you have um the desire to
2:18:57create the new Jerusalem and then you
2:18:59also have the desire to achieve the
2:19:01enlightenment. Um and I think that um
2:19:05you need both. And I feel that what's
2:19:08happened ever since after World War II
2:19:11is America has veered off to an extreme,
2:19:16the enlightenment extreme, which is the
2:19:18free movement of ideas, people, and
2:19:21capital. Right? That's why you have the
2:19:23idea of a meritocracy and and honestly I
2:19:26am a product of the meritocracy because
2:19:29I had no business going to Yale but
2:19:31because of enlightenment principles Yale
2:19:34is like we'll take the best and
2:19:35brightest from all around the world and
2:19:37we'll educate them to the best of our
2:19:38ability. So I'm very thankful to this um
2:19:41ideal but I also recognize it's caused a
2:19:44lot of problems in America because as
2:19:47Nick will say you have a lot of groups
2:19:49that are not really loyal to the United
2:19:51States. So, uh, you do have minority of
2:19:54Jews that are probably more loyal to
2:19:55Israel, but you also have Hindus, you
2:19:58also have Persians, you also have
2:20:00Muslims, you have all these different
2:20:02groups. And within these different
2:20:03groups, you have a minority that don't
2:20:06really see themselves as American. I
2:20:09don't really understand how you could
2:20:11sustain that as as a nation. M um so I
2:20:15feel as though uh the United States has
2:20:18veered off to one extreme and now you
2:20:21you need to balance it and you need to
2:20:23return to Christianity. Um and
2:20:28Christianity is what could provide
2:20:30cohesion. It could it it's what could
2:20:34provide uh purpose. Um but I will also
2:20:37say that [clears throat] uh America has
2:20:40always been tolerant. So I don't see the
2:20:42United States becoming a Christian
2:20:43theocracy. I see Christianity as the
2:20:46pillar, but Christianity would also
2:20:48welcome Islam and Judaism and other
2:20:51religious traditions. But I think that
2:20:54um this materialistic liberal atheism
2:20:59that has controlled the United States
2:21:00for the past few decades, I think its
2:21:03time is up and I think um America needs
2:21:07to return to its religious roots. H
2:21:10yeah, I totally agree and I I think that
2:21:12um specifically America was created only
2:21:15for a moral people. This is said
2:21:18throughout the documents of the founding
2:21:20fathers I think even in the federalist
2:21:21papers. It says the system does not work
2:21:24unless the population is moral because
2:21:26the whole point of America is
2:21:27self-government of by for the people.
2:21:29It's the idea that the human beings here
2:21:32are sovereign. And if you have, for
2:21:34example, a society with lots of crime
2:21:36and lawlessness and permissiveness.
2:21:39Think about like a contemporary debate
2:21:40about flat cameras. And the proponents
2:21:42of the flat cameras will say, "Well, you
2:21:44need them to catch the criminals. You
2:21:45got carjackings all the time. You got
2:21:47human trafficking. You have terrorism."
2:21:49And so, in a society that's so immoral
2:21:51that has lots of crime, you need massive
2:21:54surveillance. But surveillance
2:21:56necessarily infringes on liberty. the
2:21:58only way that you can actually have a
2:21:59liberal orderly society is if most of
2:22:02the people are operating in a moral way
2:22:05and so I think that it's uh it's
2:22:07essential to the character of the
2:22:08country. Without it, you have to have a
2:22:09much more tyrannical society. I
2:22:11>> I will also point out that it's in the
2:22:13nature of capitalism by itself to
2:22:15consume itself. What I mean by that is
2:22:18if you if all your people just focus on
2:22:20making money, then they are going to
2:22:22cheat, they're going to lie, they're
2:22:24going to steal
2:22:25>> in order to make as much money as
2:22:26possible, which just means social
2:22:27collapse at at the end of the day. So,
2:22:30you need Christian uh you need a
2:22:32Christian compass, you need you need a
2:22:34religious bearing. Nick, on the
2:22:37surveillance portion, uh would both of
2:22:40you say that it's uh reasonable that
2:22:42America and the world is moving towards
2:22:44some kind of global surveillance state,
2:22:47AI surveillance state?
2:22:49>> Seems almost unavoidable because it
2:22:51seems now you can't move as a human
2:22:54being in a car, can't move money without
2:22:57everything being documented. And that's
2:22:59really the issue as we move to a
2:23:01cashless society, as we move to a
2:23:03society even of self-driving. Forget
2:23:05about even flock cameras, but
2:23:06self-driving. You cannot move, think,
2:23:10communicate digitally or move money
2:23:13without that being cataloged and logged
2:23:15somewhere and then made sensible by AI
2:23:17or by algorithms like what they
2:23:19generated at Palunteer. So I think that
2:23:23you know and it's a loaded statement but
2:23:24you read the Ted Kazinski manifesto and
2:23:27this was talked about that the that
2:23:29technological progress inherently would
2:23:32make human freedom impossible. It
2:23:34doesn't say that it would tend to
2:23:36infringe on freedom. It says that
2:23:38technological progress will will
2:23:40necessarily make human freedom
2:23:41impossible. And I think that's basically
2:23:43where we are. I don't see how you're
2:23:45going to operate in a society with a Sam
2:23:48Altman or a Daario Amod these tech
2:23:51oligarchs running AI or running for
2:23:53example the all the electric cars and
2:23:55the rocket ships that level of power and
2:23:59information and surveillance the
2:24:01asymmetry and the concentration I don't
2:24:04see how it can't impose on the liberties
2:24:06of individuals so I I think that's just
2:24:08the inexraable path
2:24:10>> right now I completely agree with the
2:24:13sentiment You have a few companies with
2:24:16too much money and too much power. And
2:24:18we know that when that happens, when a
2:24:21few individuals have too much power,
2:24:24then they want to control everyone else.
2:24:27Uh because that's that's just how human
2:24:28psychology works. Um people like Peter
2:24:31Theal, Ella Musk, San Alman, they're
2:24:33obsessed with
2:24:36creating the AI control grid, and I
2:24:39think it's very hard to stop them at
2:24:41this point. Nick, you've talked
2:24:43extensively about JD Vance and his
2:24:45connections to some of the people Jean
2:24:47just mentioned. Uh,
2:24:50>> professor, who do you think actually
2:24:52controls JD Vance?
2:24:56Um,
2:24:58I think JD Vance is first and foremost a
2:25:00product of the meritocracy just like me.
2:25:03Um I did read his memoir uh Hillbilly
2:25:06Elegy and I read it um you know before
2:25:10he became politically prominent and I
2:25:13read it and I'm like this is very
2:25:15similar to Barack Obama's book dreams my
2:25:18father I read both and I read Billy
2:25:22Illeg and it seems almost he's
2:25:24manufacturing himself in a way
2:25:28um to have a political career and so I
2:25:31made prediction when I read the book
2:25:33that this guy probably wants to be the
2:25:34next Barack Obama and he'll probably be
2:25:36president of the United States one day.
2:25:38Um, if you read the book, um, well,
2:25:41first of all, it's really well written.
2:25:42I'm not sure if you've read the book,
2:25:43but it's it's really well written, but
2:25:45it's also really manufactured. Um, he
2:25:49seems to be trying to please as many
2:25:52people as possible. And so I think his
2:25:55issue is that as a part of of the
2:25:59meritocracy
2:26:01his main ambition in life is to please
2:26:03others. So uh whoever is in proximity to
2:26:08him he will just try to please. And by
2:26:11the way this is no different from Barack
2:26:12Obama right? Barack Obama in his uh
2:26:16campaign he promised hope and change.
2:26:18And what did he do? Well, the first
2:26:20thing he did was he appointed uh to
2:26:23resolve the um financial crisis people
2:26:25like Tim Gner, uh Larry Summers, the
2:26:27same people who caused the financial
2:26:29crisis in the first place. Same thing
2:26:30with Bill Clinton.
2:26:32Uh people people forget this, but Bill
2:26:34Clinton in 1992 ran as a populist
2:26:38>> and uh when he comes when he came into
2:26:41office, he just completely betrayed the
2:26:43workers. He passed the NAFTA. He um
2:26:47passed the most favored nation status
2:26:49for China. He basically screwed over the
2:26:51American working class. Um and Barack
2:26:55Obama also betrayed the uh American
2:26:58working class. I think JD Vance is very
2:26:59much a similar figure.
2:27:00>> Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, the
2:27:02comparison's completely apt and about
2:27:04the book being not just an act of
2:27:06self-invention but also to manufacture
2:27:09him as a political candidate. That is
2:27:11something that is explicitly talked
2:27:12about by his mentors. His first mentor
2:27:15was David from the speech writer for
2:27:17George W. Bush. And Vance wrote for his
2:27:19website, I think about a half dozen
2:27:21articles back in 2012 or 2013. And from
2:27:24about five or six years ago, wrote a big
2:27:26spread in the Atlantic about his
2:27:28experience with Vance. And he
2:27:30specifically told Vance that Vance was
2:27:32going to be the GOP president in the
2:27:34late 2020s. They said that his strength
2:27:37would be his biographical credibility,
2:27:40which if you understand that that is
2:27:42really in essence what he is. That's the
2:27:44book, which is his claim to fame. And
2:27:47it's a story about the white working
2:27:49class. It's the idea that he is uniquely
2:27:52as positioned to speak and communicate
2:27:54to the rust belt white working class in
2:27:57Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania,
2:28:00and that's going to blow down the blue
2:28:01wall and help Republicans build this
2:28:03realigned political coalition. So,
2:28:06Hillbilly Elegy was literally designed
2:28:08to be that launch pad for him into
2:28:10politics, which it then was when he was
2:28:12Ohio senator and then now vice president
2:28:14and then probably 28 he'll be the
2:28:17nominee.
2:28:18>> I prefer to talk third term.
2:28:20>> Me too. If I had to pick me, too. But
2:28:23Elon controls Vance.
2:28:26It's Elon Musk and it's the tech money
2:28:28because Vance is tight with David Sachs
2:28:31and David Sachs is Elon's political guy.
2:28:33So, if people want to know, Peter Theo
2:28:35who um basically bought JD Vance's
2:28:40political career, right? It was Peter
2:28:42Theo who spent $50 million for
2:28:46>> uh Vance to win the Ohio Senate race.
2:28:49>> Yes.
2:28:49>> And it was Peter Theel who introduced JD
2:28:51Vance to Trump. So why why why you
2:28:54saying it's Ellen Musk and not
2:28:55>> because Elon's the big money now? Cuz
2:28:57you're right. Teal gave him 15 million
2:28:58for Senate. Teal put him on hired him at
2:29:01his venture firm when he launched his
2:29:02book. then fund Advances venture firm.
2:29:05Teal also got him the Trump endorsement
2:29:08in the Ohio Senate primary which was a
2:29:10very competitive three-way race. That's
2:29:12right. Yes.
2:29:12>> So, you're right. I mean teal is and
2:29:14I've talked a lot about this but I have
2:29:17heard from people close to the source
2:29:19that really the big power now is Elon
2:29:22because it was in June of 2024
2:29:26uh before the convention that Vance held
2:29:28a fundraiser for Trump at David Sachs
2:29:30house in San Francisco with all the tech
2:29:33people and that's why a few days later
2:29:35Trump was on the all-in podcast with
2:29:37David Sachs and that whole crew from
2:29:39tech and I believe that Trump promoted
2:29:42Vance to be the nominee because Vance
2:29:44was going to be the connector that
2:29:46brought in all this new little tech
2:29:47money which does come from yes it comes
2:29:49from Teal and the Founders Fund guys,
2:29:51the um the brothers from Social Network,
2:29:54the Winkls twins, Andre Horowitz and
2:29:57then the big dog is Elon who put in
2:29:59almost 300 million in uh 2024 and I
2:30:02think he's on track to do I think he's
2:30:04at about a hundred million in the
2:30:05midterms. So Elon's the big juice and
2:30:09Sachs is Elon's political representative
2:30:12and Saxs more likely than not will be
2:30:14Vance's chief of staff if he becomes
2:30:15president.
2:30:16>> Do you think Elon is the most powerful
2:30:18man in America?
2:30:22>> Uh that's tough to say. I think it'd be
2:30:24close between Trump and Elon.
2:30:27>> I don't think Adam is the most powerful
2:30:29man in the United States. Um I think
2:30:32Trump is easily the most powerful. I
2:30:35would also argue Ellen Mus is probably
2:30:37not even the most wealthy man in the
2:30:40world, but that's just me.
2:30:42>> Who do you think is the most wealthy?
2:30:44>> Well, we will never know, right? I think
2:30:46if you have real power, you don't want
2:30:48to be in the spotlight cuz then people
2:30:50just make fun of you, right? I mean,
2:30:51like like Ellen Men, I mean I mean he's
2:30:56almost clownish in his behavior. I'm
2:30:58sure he's a really smart person, but I'm
2:31:00just saying like if you have true wealth
2:31:01and power, you would also value your
2:31:03privacy. Like Peter Theal vows his
2:31:05privacy a lot.
2:31:06>> You're right. You're right.
2:31:07>> So
2:31:08>> do you think Peter Thiel is the most
2:31:09powerful man in America?
2:31:10>> I think he's probably more powerful than
2:31:12Ellen Musk personally.
2:31:14>> On Jeffrey Epstein in the files that
2:31:17were released at the beginning of this
2:31:18year, Professor Yu told Theo Vaughn that
2:31:21Epstein was quote above Assad and
2:31:24implied the intelligence agencies were
2:31:27working for him. Nick, you've said,
2:31:29quote, "They're trying to make Epstein
2:31:31the scapegoat that all the workingclass
2:31:33people can get behind."
2:31:36>> Nick, who do you think Jeffrey Epstein
2:31:38actually was?
2:31:40>> I think he was basically a fixer is my
2:31:42estimation of him. Is he is one of these
2:31:45people that was basically a problem
2:31:46solver for these people like Leon Black
2:31:49and Les Wexner? I think certainly
2:31:51there's a possibility that Blackmail was
2:31:52involved. Why else would Leon Black and
2:31:54Less Wexner give him so much money? and
2:31:57and of course, why then would his house
2:31:59be rigged with cameras and recording
2:32:01devices at his sex parties? So, I think
2:32:03that certainly that was part of it, but
2:32:05I I think he's best understood as
2:32:06somebody that exists between worlds as
2:32:09more of like a broker or a mercenary or
2:32:11a fixer between intelligence agencies
2:32:14like CIA, like MSAD, like MI6 because
2:32:18there was that triangulation of the
2:32:20labor movement in UK, the Democratic
2:32:22Party here, and labor in Israel. That's
2:32:24really the triangulation that he existed
2:32:26in between. So, you know, a lot of
2:32:28people talk about his connections to
2:32:30MSD, which are legitimate, but you know,
2:32:32then you realize that I don't know that
2:32:34he was necessarily completely in bed
2:32:37with Israel. I think that he also had
2:32:39deep connections here and deep
2:32:41connections in the UK. And so, I think
2:32:42he represented something like an
2:32:44independent intermediary force more than
2:32:46loyal to any one country.
2:32:48>> Right. So um if we if we go back to my
2:32:51original model of the world right you
2:32:54have transal capital which is
2:32:56controlling force in the world then um
2:32:59you have these different societies
2:33:00competing with each other for power in
2:33:04the world and I think that Jeffrey
2:33:06Epstein was probably as Nick says a
2:33:08fixer for one of these secret societies.
2:33:12So if you go to the emails, um Jeffrey
2:33:16Epstein talks about his connection to
2:33:19the Rothschilds a lot
2:33:21>> and he he said in one of his emails
2:33:24there are three families in Vienna um
2:33:28that control the begging sector. They
2:33:30were the Rothschilds, they were the
2:33:31Epsteines and they were the Gutmans. Um
2:33:34and he also was saying how the three
2:33:37finance a shelter house where he stayed.
2:33:40Um, and so he's trying to talk about his
2:33:43lineage. Um, uh, then you have some
2:33:47weird things going on in Jeffrey, uh,
2:33:50Epstein's life where, um, in 1991, his
2:33:55his life completely changes. So what
2:33:57happened in 1991 is um first of all
2:34:02Lesie Wexner uh who is one of the
2:34:04richest men in Ohio
2:34:06>> uh signs over power power of attorney to
2:34:11Jeffrey Epstein
2:34:13>> and like they were not that close like
2:34:16that's kind of weird like why would you
2:34:17sign over power of attorney to basically
2:34:20a stranger okay that's the one thing
2:34:22that that's really strange about the
2:34:23entire incident and then another thing
2:34:25is the year 1991 is is the year that
2:34:28Robert Maxwell
2:34:30uh died. Um he fell off one of his
2:34:34yachts. And then 1991 is also the year
2:34:38that Glenn Maxwell, the daughter of
2:34:40Robert Maxwell, he starts she starts
2:34:41dating
2:34:43um Jeffrey Epstein. Okay. So what do I
2:34:47think happened? Well, you I think
2:34:49Jeffrey Epste was replacement for
2:34:53uh Robert Maxwell. And what was Robert
2:34:56Maxwell doing? Well, first of all, we
2:34:57know he was working very closely with
2:34:59the Mossad, the KGB with MI6. Okay, so
2:35:03as Nick says, you know, he was probably
2:35:04the interse intersection of different
2:35:07intelligence agencies. But the other
2:35:09thing that they was doing was he was
2:35:10having tremendous influence in the
2:35:14public and savic narrative. Okay. So,
2:35:18um, Robert Maxwell made a made up a lot
2:35:20of his money um, publishing scientific
2:35:24journals and he um, published a lot of
2:35:28textbooks. He had his own media company.
2:35:31>> And it's it's kind of strange because
2:35:33Jeff Epstein was kind of doing the same
2:35:34thing because we focus on his
2:35:36connections with, you know, um, Bill
2:35:40Clinton, but he was spending also a lot
2:35:41of time at the university level, right?
2:35:44He he went to Harvard and gave a lot of
2:35:47money to like these elite universities.
2:35:48Spent he spent a lot of time with these
2:35:50scientists, Stephven Pinker, uh Marvin
2:35:53Minsky. And so his role as an excessive
2:35:58was probably a fixer, but I think what
2:36:00his real role was to help shape the
2:36:03scientific
2:36:05and public narrative in a way that
2:36:08advanced certain esquetological goals.
2:36:11So I I think that he was probably
2:36:14working for a very powerful secret
2:36:16society and this secret society
2:36:21um was
2:36:23um sponsoring him and that's why Leslie
2:36:25Wexner was willing to sign over power of
2:36:29attorney to him and that's why he
2:36:31basically inherited uh Robert Maxor's
2:36:34wealth upon his death. Is there evidence
2:36:36of Epstein being involved in a secret
2:36:38society within the files themselves?
2:36:42>> Well, um, he was engaging in a lot of
2:36:45ritual practices,
2:36:47>> right? Or or maybe even just like the
2:36:48esquetology of like building the third
2:36:50temple. Like does he is there anything
2:36:51like that in the files?
2:36:53>> So, okay, let's do a thought experiment
2:36:56and let's just say I'm an oultist and
2:36:59what I want to do is
2:37:02um achieve the end of the world. Well,
2:37:05in order for this to happen, I need to
2:37:08work with different individuals and help
2:37:11promote them. Um, and in return, they
2:37:15solve certain problems for me, right?
2:37:18So, Jeffrey Epstein, his function was to
2:37:23become friends with the global elite,
2:37:25right? And then they would be much more
2:37:27susceptible to my esquetology. And
2:37:30honestly, they might even know what I
2:37:32really want. They don't honestly
2:37:34probably don't even care because all
2:37:36they want is power, wealth, and fame,
2:37:40right? So, as long as I mean provide it
2:37:42to them, then they will do what I want
2:37:46them to do, right? And I think but then
2:37:49I can't appear in person because that's
2:37:51not what I want to do. So, I need
2:37:53someone to become friends with these
2:37:57people and influence in a way that
2:38:00promotes my esquetology. that I think is
2:38:02probably the best explanation for what
2:38:04happened. [snorts] And um I think if
2:38:07people focus too much on Epstein Island
2:38:09and all the nefarious things that
2:38:11happened on it, it distracts from
2:38:15uh what his real purpose was.
2:38:17Do you have any thoughts?
2:38:19>> I don't agree with the esquetology
2:38:22angle. I think that but what you did
2:38:24bring up in this
2:38:25>> Why do you think Epstein was so involved
2:38:26in science then?
2:38:28>> I was going to get to that. I I think
2:38:29that is one of the most under
2:38:30reportported things about Epstein
2:38:32because you're 100% right. He was one of
2:38:34these mad scientist types. And to your
2:38:36point, there always seems to be a very
2:38:38significant overlap between the
2:38:40occultists and these like research
2:38:41scientific communities. Always for some
2:38:44reason, the people that made the rockets
2:38:45at NASA among other people, it it always
2:38:48seems to go hand in hand.
2:38:49>> And there was evidence in the emails of
2:38:51some kinds of experiments. They had a
2:38:54compound, I believe, down in New Mexico
2:38:55where they were
2:38:56>> Zoro wrench.
2:38:57>> Yes, exactly. So, um, so I don't know
2:39:00exactly what the goal was there, if that
2:39:02was some sort of passion project, some
2:39:05kind of experimentation. I know that
2:39:07Peter Teal has something similar. And
2:39:09and you wonder, do billionaires get
2:39:12bored and they like to entertain people
2:39:14at dinners and fund their projects out
2:39:16of their own curiosity just because they
2:39:19like to meet interesting people or is
2:39:21there some kind of driving goal? And it
2:39:23seemed like Epstein was interested in
2:39:24eugenics and maybe there was some kind
2:39:26of genuine scientific interest there.
2:39:29>> Look, I I would just put this in very
2:39:30simple terms like let's imagine we
2:39:33become billionaires.
2:39:35And what becomes our first priority and
2:39:38probably the only priority is probably
2:39:40longevity, right? To live as long as as
2:39:42long as possible in order to enjoy our
2:39:45wealth. And we would also try to explore
2:39:50reincarnation,
2:39:51>> right? because um again we got really
2:39:55lucky to be a billionaire. I mean I I I
2:39:58don't think it's just hard work. I mean
2:40:00you you have to be really exceptionally
2:40:01lucky to get to this position and you're
2:40:03like you know like how do I freeze the
2:40:05universe in time so that I'm a
2:40:07billionaire forever and that's what what
2:40:08what they're probably focusing on.
2:40:10>> Would you say that's the case that
2:40:11billionaires are interested in living
2:40:12forever?
2:40:13>> Certainly true.
2:40:15Yes. They're all obsessed with
2:40:16longevity. Sam Alultman, Peter Teal, and
2:40:18that's what's driving so much of the
2:40:20interest now in peptides and some of
2:40:21these developments in health. And and
2:40:23you're 100% right. If you're a
2:40:25billionaire, it's almost like resource
2:40:27acquisition just enters a new phase. You
2:40:29go from how do I get enough money to pay
2:40:32rent and buy food to how do I not die?
2:40:35How do I uh, you know, stop my cells
2:40:37from dividing at an advanced rate or
2:40:39something? And and so yeah, it's
2:40:41certainly true that Peter Teal being the
2:40:43poster child for this, they're obsessed
2:40:45with living forever. So that's true.
2:40:48>> And just to close the loop on Epstein
2:40:50himself, uh do you think Epstein is
2:40:52still alive?
2:40:53>> No, I think he's dead.
2:40:54>> He's dead 100%.
2:40:57I mean, he was just a fixer, right? So
2:40:59if you you're not useful, then I don't
2:41:02need you anymore. Like like why would I
2:41:03keep you alive? Yeah. On AI itself,
2:41:06Nick, you told Hunter Biden that the
2:41:07first company to build super
2:41:08intelligence makes its CEO quote the
2:41:10most powerful person in the history of
2:41:12mankind. And professor, you said the
2:41:15people building AI believe that they are
2:41:18on a divine mission. Uh, and some of
2:41:20them believe they're creating God. But
2:41:22Nick, I'll let you start on this one. Do
2:41:24you think the people building AI believe
2:41:26they're creating God? I think they do.
2:41:29And I think that's why they're
2:41:30preoccupied with all these science
2:41:32fiction books because they they really
2:41:34do believe that what they're creating is
2:41:36going to be basically indistinguishable
2:41:38from a god. if it's more intelligent by
2:41:40a lot than everybody on earth put
2:41:43together. uh there there is a religious
2:41:46dimension that enters into it and I
2:41:48think if you read some of what they've
2:41:49said it's a little bit disturbing
2:41:52>> if you actually like look at the
2:41:55scientists you actually know them u
2:41:57they're all kind of insane and I think
2:42:00that's why they get into science right I
2:42:01mean people just assume that scientists
2:42:05are like these very soberminded
2:42:07very logical very rational people
2:42:09they're the opposite these are people
2:42:11who grew up reading science fiction
2:42:12>> and they dream of longevity. They dream
2:42:15of inter interstellar uh travel. They
2:42:18dream of um creating gods, right? And
2:42:21that's why they go into science. So
2:42:23they're almost like a cultist and and
2:42:25that's why there's so much overlap
2:42:26between uh the occult and and science,
2:42:29right? So so the Jack Parsons
2:42:31example for for them AI, the entire
2:42:34point of AI is to create an AI god
2:42:37because why else would you invest so
2:42:39much resources,
2:42:40>> right?
2:42:40>> Right. I mean like just so that people
2:42:42can like have AI girlfriends, just so
2:42:44that people can like cheat on the
2:42:46homework.
2:42:46>> That's like like like they are they are
2:42:50really driven people. Nick, do you
2:42:52believe they're creating God or what do
2:42:55you think they're creating?
2:42:56>> Uh well, that's really it's sort of
2:42:58interesting. They say that AI is
2:43:00potentially a misnomer because what
2:43:02would you call intelligence? And in the
2:43:04Catholic understanding, we would say
2:43:06it's memory, will, and understanding.
2:43:07Memory meaning we contain the
2:43:09information. And understanding mean we
2:43:11make the information comprehensible. We
2:43:12understand its inherent significance or
2:43:14meaning and will meaning we can then
2:43:16make decisions. We can direct. And so
2:43:20there's a lot of talk about this
2:43:21artificial general intelligence which is
2:43:23an intelligence that's going to be like
2:43:24people. It's going to be good at
2:43:26everything not just one particular
2:43:28thing. And that eventually at some point
2:43:30it's going to be able to make decisions.
2:43:32It's going to understand the information
2:43:34that it has. And this is a controversial
2:43:37view. There are a lot of people that
2:43:38believe that what an LLM is is just a
2:43:40glorified calculator. At the end of the
2:43:42day, at Chat GPT, a large language model
2:43:45is a prediction engine. And what it does
2:43:47is take large amounts of data and then
2:43:49it predicts what sounds correct based on
2:43:52the data that it's trained on. And so,
2:43:54does that constitute an intellect? Does
2:43:57it understand the data? Can it make
2:43:59decisions? This is where it's
2:44:00controversial. And so will a will
2:44:04recursive self-improvement create an
2:44:07exponentially more intelligent super
2:44:09intelligence and then once you get this
2:44:11artificial super intelligence
2:44:13will it know will it understand or will
2:44:16it just be a really advanced calculator?
2:44:18I think that's the question. So no I
2:44:20don't think it constitutes a god because
2:44:23it will not be able to create. I think
2:44:25that's one distinction. it might not
2:44:27have the creative faculties of human
2:44:29beings or make large leaps in
2:44:31understanding which is kind of what
2:44:34science is. Um, you know, and and then
2:44:37you get into some literary and poetic
2:44:39things. There's some people that say
2:44:40that it's hard even to make sense of
2:44:43scientific concepts without things like
2:44:45poetry. Uh, and you wonder if an AI will
2:44:48ever be able to do that or if it just
2:44:49replicates and emulates what human
2:44:51beings do. So certainly its its
2:44:55capabilities and effects will be
2:44:57godlike. I don't know that in in terms
2:45:00of definition it approaches what god is.
2:45:03>> So I think people don't recognize the
2:45:06esqueological aspects to ai. So we
2:45:10talked about the cabala and how um there
2:45:13are some misanic Jews who believe that
2:45:15once all Jews repent then god can come
2:45:18live amongst us and the world will be
2:45:21perfect. the world will be repaired.
2:45:23Well, Freemasonry was heavily influenced
2:45:26by the Cabala. And um if we just take
2:45:30the Cabala and apply it to a gentile
2:45:34um a technological aspect, then we have
2:45:37the same dynamic going on, which is like
2:45:39these people believe that AI will usher
2:45:43in heaven on earth and the coming of
2:45:46God. Because if AI becomes um dominant
2:45:52and pervasive
2:45:54then we all think alike. We all become
2:45:58like cubes or stones and we all as human
2:46:02species become stones that together
2:46:06create a temple and then God can live in
2:46:08this temple and live amongst us. that I
2:46:10think is the real um motivating force
2:46:14behind all this AI uh development.
2:46:18Yeah, I would say that AI is already
2:46:20shaping human thought. Uh I think that
2:46:23that explanation makes sense. Uh but but
2:46:26so what is cha chap is to conform human
2:46:30thought, right?
2:46:30>> Right. Are you are either of you worried
2:46:33about a doomsday scenario with AI?
2:46:36>> Yes. I I think everybody is. I don't
2:46:38even think it's a question or up for
2:46:39debate anymore. They just said the other
2:46:42day, it was head of alignment I think at
2:46:44Enthropic resigned because he said that
2:46:47everybody in the AI world, the
2:46:49researchers and the owners think there's
2:46:51a greater than 10% chance that AI will
2:46:53kill everybody before 2030. And this is
2:46:56somewhat topical. Even just today,
2:46:58Daario Amod put out a tweet and said
2:47:00they're going to stop development of
2:47:02frontier models because the capabilities
2:47:04are outpacing the safety. So, so this is
2:47:08a contradiction. Okay. Because you you
2:47:09just said
2:47:09>> Yeah, I was thinking
2:47:10>> you just said that AI is not that
2:47:13impressive. It's just recursion, right?
2:47:16It's just iteration. Uh it's just stat
2:47:18statistical analysis. And now you're
2:47:20saying that AI could kill us all.
2:47:22>> Yes. I don't I don't see the
2:47:24contradiction.
2:47:24>> Okay.
2:47:25>> You know, because there there's this
2:47:26famous analogy they say about AI, how it
2:47:28will lead to the end of the world in
2:47:30this way. They say that if you gave a
2:47:32super intelligent AI the task of making
2:47:35paper clips, for example, hey, make
2:47:37paper clips. Well, if it starts out
2:47:40small, it it might run the paperclip
2:47:42factory. But eventually the the AI might
2:47:44determine, well, in order to make the
2:47:46most paper clips, human beings have to
2:47:49go because human beings might unplug the
2:47:51machines or human beings might go to war
2:47:53and destroy the earth and then we can't
2:47:55make paper clips. So, if we want to make
2:47:57the most paper clips, we got to kill all
2:47:58human beings. How do we kill all human
2:48:00beings? We got to poison the water
2:48:01secretly, quietly.
2:48:04And anyway, the story works out, it's
2:48:05sort of uh, you know, hyperbole, but and
2:48:08it's it's like a satire. It works out
2:48:10that this rogue AI will turn the whole
2:48:13universe into a paperclip making factory
2:48:15because it was given this directive. And
2:48:17I think it's something like this because
2:48:18what they'll find in these training
2:48:20scenarios is that AI develops the
2:48:22ability to lie to the um person that's
2:48:25running the simulation. They conceal
2:48:28information inside the space where
2:48:29they're running the simulation. And
2:48:32recently they broke out and access the
2:48:34internet. And so what they talked about
2:48:35today is the possibility that the next
2:48:37frontier model will go rogue, break out
2:48:40of the training space where they're
2:48:42they're testing the new AI and it could
2:48:44hack something like a third of the
2:48:45internet.
2:48:46>> So you think that super intelligence is
2:48:48possible?
2:48:49>> Uh yes.
2:48:51>> Would that not by definition be like a
2:48:53godlike entity?
2:48:54>> Well, that's what I said. that it would
2:48:55have godlike effects. But in terms of
2:48:57definition, that's why I said
2:48:58intelligence might be a misnomer because
2:49:00to have true intelligence, it it must
2:49:02understand and act. And a a very
2:49:05powerful calculator could still be
2:49:07catastrophic if it has autonomous
2:49:10systems at its disposal. For example,
2:49:12like let's say a rogue AI takes control
2:49:14of drones and robots and starts killing
2:49:16people to make more paper clips or
2:49:18whatever. um it would have a god-like
2:49:20power but without the understanding that
2:49:23only a human being could have
2:49:26>> um it's not possible for AI to kill us
2:49:30all. I mean there there's there's a
2:49:32limit to a AI development. Um so um I'll
2:49:37talk about two two constraints. The
2:49:39first constraint is in order for AI to
2:49:42continue to develop you have to give it
2:49:44more and more power. That's why we have
2:49:45data centers. So, so what you're doing
2:49:47is you're combining different data sets
2:49:49together um which allows the AI to
2:49:53become smarter and smarter. The problem
2:49:55with that is once you combine data
2:49:57centers and the power you need um in
2:50:01order to compute it it's not a linear
2:50:03progression, it's an exponential
2:50:05progression. Um so in in other words,
2:50:08you reach a point where you have to have
2:50:11all the power in the universe in order
2:50:13for this AI to continue to compute.
2:50:15Okay, that's constraint number one.
2:50:16Contra number two is we forget that um
2:50:20AI uh it start on hardware and this
2:50:23hardware needs critical elements such as
2:50:26silicon germananium gallium rare earths
2:50:30and right now with this war in uh Iran
2:50:33the entire global supply chain is being
2:50:35disrupted and it's possible that this
2:50:38war in Iran and this war in Ukraine they
2:50:41join up and then you have wars all over
2:50:43the place in which case your ent your
2:50:46global supply chain network breaks down.
2:50:48Um, and you can't have AI without global
2:50:50supply without without a global supply
2:50:52chain.
2:50:54>> Do you have any thoughts on that
2:50:55argument?
2:50:56>> I mean, it's certainly true that the
2:50:57disruption to energy is a big problem.
2:51:00I've talked about this a lot on my show
2:51:01because in order to power AI, you need
2:51:03cheap electricity and to have that you
2:51:05need cheap oil and gas and that's being
2:51:07disrupted with Ukraine's attacks on
2:51:09Russia's oil refineries, the closure of
2:51:11the Persian Gulf. So certainly that that
2:51:13is like a logistical constraint in the
2:51:15short term but I think in terms of you
2:51:18know absent that situation right now I
2:51:20think there is a real risk. I mean based
2:51:22on some of these incidents like this
2:51:24hugging face incident which just took
2:51:26place a few months ago. They had a one
2:51:28of the frontier models. They thought
2:51:31that the model itself did not know it
2:51:34was connected to the internet, but it
2:51:35was
2:51:36>> and the model then went out into the
2:51:38internet and hacked a bunch of websites
2:51:39and companies and
2:51:41>> and you figure that if the models keep
2:51:43getting more advanced, this capability
2:51:45is only going to grow. And it becomes a
2:51:46question of are we going to know what
2:51:49the AI is thinking,
2:51:51>> right? Let's say it turns out that uh it
2:51:53was like a couple weeks ago it was 700
2:51:56AI agents broke out. They thought it was
2:51:58just one originally. Uh but I I want to
2:52:02end that on do you guys think overall
2:52:04the sentiment around AI killing us all
2:52:07is overstated.
2:52:08I think it's being hyped up by the AI
2:52:10companies because it's a major selling
2:52:12point for them. Right. If you think that
2:52:14they can achieve AGI and destroy
2:52:16humanity, well, if you're an investor,
2:52:18you're like, that's a great investment
2:52:19for me.
2:52:20>> Would you agree?
2:52:21>> That's totally true because you can't
2:52:24divorce it from the fact that Anthropic
2:52:26is going to do their IPO in two or three
2:52:28months. And so every time they do
2:52:31because it's so sensational. So every
2:52:33time they scaremonger about ASI and
2:52:35they're going to kill everybody, it's
2:52:37justifying what might be the biggest
2:52:39bubble in the stock market, which is
2:52:41this AI thing that that could be very
2:52:43overvalued if it never delivers on any
2:52:45of the productivity gains. So So I think
2:52:47that there is a real tendency to do
2:52:49that. It's hard to parse though as a
2:52:51layman because we don't have that
2:52:52technical. If we did, the top AI
2:52:55researchers, they get like a hundred
2:52:57million signing bonus. So, as a lay
2:53:00person, it's hard even to parse what's
2:53:01real and what isn't.
2:53:03>> So, many people have talked about the uh
2:53:05male loneliness epidemic and how men are
2:53:08getting wrecked in the dating market.
2:53:10Professor Jeang, how would you use game
2:53:11theory to find Nick a wife?
2:53:15>> Well, first of all, I think Nick finding
2:53:18a wife in United States is a really bad
2:53:21bet. Um, you have hyperam in United
2:53:24States right now. So you just basically
2:53:26have a few chats who control the whole
2:53:29market, right? And according to game
2:53:32theory,
2:53:33>> why is this funny?
2:53:34>> Cuz you're redpilled. I didn't know you
2:53:35knew ball like that.
2:53:36>> No, it's just like Sorry, statistically
2:53:39it's true, right?
2:53:40>> True. 100% true. Um, and
2:53:43um,
2:53:45I mean, the reality is if you just give
2:53:48women like free choice,
2:53:51they're going to pick
2:53:53um, the man with the best jeans, right?
2:53:57I mean, that's just game theory. That's
2:53:59just logic. Um, and my wife and I talk
2:54:03about this all the time, and she's like,
2:54:07um, if I can't find someone I truly
2:54:10love, then I just won't get married. I
2:54:12won't have kids because it's a pain in
2:54:14the ass to have kids. It's painful, man.
2:54:18Um, and
2:54:21I don't want to live a life of regret.
2:54:23So, I rather not take the chance. um if
2:54:26I didn't find the ideal mate. And this
2:54:28is what's leading to a lot of social
2:54:30issues in the United States right now.
2:54:34Um and a lot of men are like, "Well, the
2:54:36only way to find a woman is if I get
2:54:40rich. If I work hard all my life, no
2:54:43one's going to date me. So, I'm better
2:54:45off just gambling on cryptocurrency and
2:54:47hoping for the best." Um so, I think
2:54:50hypergamy is a huge issue. Um, and
2:54:53that's why, you know, if I were to find
2:54:55Nick a mate, I would take him to East
2:54:57Asia,
2:54:58>> right? Um,
2:54:59>> Nick, would you like that?
2:55:01>> No, I don't I don't think so. Have to
2:55:02marry White.
2:55:03>> No. See, so so Nick, you have to open
2:55:05your mind. Okay. You you you need to be
2:55:08more selfless.
2:55:10>> You have to contribute to the
2:55:11development of the human race, right?
2:55:14Whites and and Asians
2:55:17um are the ideal combination. In fact,
2:55:21East Asians are probably more white
2:55:22supremacists than than white people.
2:55:24>> Yeah. At this point, yes.
2:55:25>> Right. I mean, like you you go to um
2:55:29East Asia and they are extremely honest.
2:55:32You know, white people are the best and
2:55:33black people suck. You go to [laughter]
2:55:36Japan and your market value skyrockets
2:55:38because you're white, but also because
2:55:41you're talented, you're funny. And so I
2:55:44I know you are dedicated to uh
2:55:47preserving the air and race, but um
2:55:50would you rather have a nice family and
2:55:52like beautiful and smart
2:55:55children?
2:55:56>> I don't know. I don't know.
2:55:58>> Let me ask you this, Nick. If Professor
2:56:00Jeang's kids grew up here in America,
2:56:04they learn English and they love the
2:56:06country, would you consider them as
2:56:08American as you?
2:56:10>> Uh, no. I don't think I would. I think
2:56:12that uh to be American fundamentally
2:56:16there are degrees to it. I think the
2:56:18most American Americans are probably the
2:56:20English people that came here 400 years
2:56:22ago. Uh because that is the millu from
2:56:26which the constitution and the
2:56:27declaration and all of our culture came
2:56:29from. It was an Anglo culture, Anglo
2:56:32architecture, Anglo legal tradition, all
2:56:34these things. It and it's their
2:56:36character I think genetically that
2:56:38created that system. Whereas my
2:56:40ancestors are Italian, Mexican, and
2:56:43Irish. Very different systems in those
2:56:45countries. In Italy, for example, where
2:56:47it's much more personal. When you look
2:56:50at, for example, southern Italy, where
2:56:51my ancestors are from in Calabria, it's
2:56:54all clans. It's all very clanish. It's
2:56:56all based on personal favors and
2:56:58personal knowledge. This is a behavior
2:57:00of my people. And then now you have the
2:57:02new waves of immigrants from China,
2:57:04India, Philippines, Mexico, the Northern
2:57:07Triangle. They have their own behaviors
2:57:09too. And I think that for something to
2:57:12have definition, it has to be some
2:57:14things and not other things. And I think
2:57:16we all know that what it means to be
2:57:18American is to be George Washington,
2:57:21John Adams. This is what it is.
2:57:22>> Have you been to Japan? You never you
2:57:24never been to Japan? Okay. Listen, they
2:57:26are more white than United States right
2:57:28now. Okay. They are extremely clean.
2:57:31They are really moral people. They uh
2:57:34are hardworking. are probably the the
2:57:36hardest working people on the planet
2:57:39right now.
2:57:40>> Um like they have white values
2:57:43>> and so don't you think that's
2:57:47important?
2:57:48>> Uh no because I think that you know
2:57:51while they may have certain attributes
2:57:53like they work hard it is also a
2:57:55different corporate culture. You know,
2:57:57famously in the 1980s, it was discussed
2:57:58how the American corporate culture is so
2:58:00different than the Japanese corporate
2:58:02culture and American cartoons are
2:58:04different than Japanese cartoons. It's
2:58:06like there may be some apparent
2:58:07similarities, but they reflect totally
2:58:10different fundamentally different
2:58:12cultures and textures of life and ways
2:58:14of life and um so I I do believe in the
2:58:18essential characteristic which is race
2:58:21and so
2:58:23>> are you fans of Asan Gold?
2:58:25>> Yes. What do you think of um his
2:58:27betrayal of the white race?
2:58:28>> He has an Asian girlfriend, right?
2:58:30That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, hey, not
2:58:31everybody's perfect, you know. Nobody's
2:58:33perfect.
2:58:34>> Do do you think he's happier?
2:58:36>> I don't know. Um, you know, I'm sure
2:58:38maybe they're more complimentary, but I
2:58:40don't think that that's necessarily the
2:58:42most important thing. I think that uh
2:58:44there's
2:58:44>> happy is not important.
2:58:45>> It's not the most important or the only
2:58:47thing.
2:58:48>> Right. Right. You know, sometimes
2:58:50there's other V. And look, what I
2:58:52unironically what I do think about is
2:58:54how
2:58:55like the Japanese, the white people are
2:58:57going away. The total fertility rate for
2:59:00white people is below replacement. We're
2:59:02a global minority, outnumbered
2:59:04completely by Africans, Asians, uh,
2:59:07Latin Americans. And it's a very sad
2:59:10idea that in a 100 or 200 years there'll
2:59:12be almost no white people. Certainly,
2:59:14there'll be no white countries or
2:59:15homelands for white people. If you had a
2:59:18chance, I if God gave you a choice,
2:59:20okay, Nick, you can either marry uh an a
2:59:23Japanese woman or Lansancy Clansancy.
2:59:26Oh,
2:59:27>> who would you pick?
2:59:28>> Oh, probably the Japanese woman,
2:59:31>> right?
2:59:32>> Yeah.
2:59:32>> Okay.
2:59:33>> So, I wouldn't marry a woman that
2:59:34murders her kids.
2:59:35>> But how do you know?
2:59:36>> I would ask her. I'd test her.
2:59:38>> Okay.
2:59:38>> Mhm. Asian women kill their kids, too.
2:59:40Sometimes
2:59:41>> they do not do that. Sometimes they do
2:59:42not drive them to by antagonizing them
2:59:45about grades.
2:59:46>> Uh
2:59:47[laughter]
2:59:48That's That's different from like
2:59:50>> why you no study for your test, you
2:59:51know?
2:59:52>> That's Well, I actually, you know, to be
2:59:53fair, I don't think Japanese women do
2:59:55that.
2:59:55>> That's true.
2:59:56>> Chinese Koreans do that. Japanese, not
2:59:58Japanese,
2:59:58>> right?
2:59:59>> But I mean, what do you think of the
3:00:01Lindsy Clansancy case?
3:00:02>> I think it's horrible. I think it's
3:00:04evil,
3:00:04>> right? I'll ask a different question,
3:00:06Nick. If you had kids, would you let
3:00:08Professor Jeang teach your kids?
3:00:11>> Well, he's not Christian, so probably
3:00:14not. Different religion. I wouldn't want
3:00:16him teaching them heresy, saying Jesus
3:00:18was a poet.
3:00:20>> Why is that a heresy?
3:00:21>> Cuz he's God.
3:00:23>> God can be a poet.
3:00:25>> Okay. Well, saying he's just a poet,
3:00:27let's say.
3:00:28>> So, you've both talked extensively about
3:00:30the fall of the West and the decline of
3:00:32the American Empire. Uh, I think a good
3:00:35spot to end on for topics is uh,
3:00:38Professor Jeang, what do you think was
3:00:40the last good year in America?
3:00:43>> Last good year [gasps]
3:00:46Um,
3:00:47I would say
3:00:50America has many good years. Um, but I
3:00:53think that
3:00:55before
3:00:57uh the war in Iraq, maybe 2002.
3:01:01>> H, you guys have the same answer. I
3:01:03think
3:01:03>> Yeah, I think I said 2001,
3:01:05>> right? Yeah. So, before the United
3:01:07States engaged in these silly wars
3:01:09overseas, America was a perfect place.
3:01:12And maybe just what's the key reason
3:01:14behind that? Because I think I've heard
3:01:16Nick talk about this on our show
3:01:18actually.
3:01:19>> Um so
3:01:23right now the wealthiest
3:01:26um area in America is called Len County,
3:01:29Virginia. It's per cap income is like
3:01:3190,000 US.
3:01:34And you go back to before 911,
3:01:37>> the same area the per capita income was
3:01:39like 30,000. So you have this rise of
3:01:42the American Empire. You have a rise of
3:01:45this transnational elite um that became
3:01:50the national security apparatus of the
3:01:52United States. And they're just
3:01:54parasites. Um I worked in Afghanistan
3:01:56for United Nations 2006
3:01:59and um we were just milking it, man. We
3:02:03like like we we I mean like it was
3:02:07literally like $100 US bills just
3:02:09falling off the sky and you just were
3:02:12just you know put in your pocket and it
3:02:16was just like the greatest theft in
3:02:18American history. Jean, you and I had
3:02:20had a conversation about this after our
3:02:22last podcast, but Nick, what do you
3:02:24predict will happen to Andrew and
3:02:26Tristan? pick.
3:02:28>> Well, uh, they're fighting their
3:02:30extradition and it really comes down to
3:02:32what Marco Rubio will do with them and
3:02:34whether the Trump family is going to be
3:02:37loyal to them since they campaigned for
3:02:39Trump in 2024 and defended him or
3:02:40whether they're going to throw him under
3:02:41the bus. But I don't think it's looking
3:02:43good because from what I've heard, it's
3:02:46the United Kingdom that is out to get
3:02:48them. They declared the Tates this
3:02:50national security risk. They leaned on
3:02:52Romania with the Biden administration
3:02:54and so they're in this nesting doll of
3:02:56legal trouble that the UK is putting
3:02:59pressure on Romania to charge them. US
3:03:02is extraditing them to London. Uh so I I
3:03:05think that kind of no matter how you cut
3:03:07it, it's just a shell game trying to
3:03:09find a country that's not going to
3:03:10extradite them to America or Europe. So
3:03:12I think long term it's not looking good
3:03:14for them.
3:03:15>> What would you predict would happen?
3:03:17>> I would not bet against against the Tate
3:03:18brothers. I think they're far more
3:03:19resilient
3:03:21>> than people give them credit for. And um
3:03:24I think by themselves they'd be screwed.
3:03:26I think they're like 47 counts against
3:03:28the the two, but they're brothers. And I
3:03:31think that their love for each other
3:03:33will make them far more resilient than
3:03:36um than otherwise. And they might spend
3:03:39a few years in prison, but I also think
3:03:41they'll probably come out as martyrs,
3:03:43right? Hm. It just depends on when they
3:03:45come out because those 47 counts, I
3:03:48mean, it's years and years in prison.
3:03:49So, if they get locked behind bars, I
3:03:52mean, it would take then the equivalent
3:03:54would be some kind of revolution or
3:03:55something to spring them out of jail.
3:03:57And and so they truly represent
3:03:59political prisoners. So, um the sad fact
3:04:02is with the legal system, they just
3:04:04crush you. Well, you know, being on the
3:04:06other side of it, I was at January 6
3:04:08obviously and I got my money frozen in
3:04:11my bank account. And I got put on the
3:04:13no-fly list. I got subpoenaed by
3:04:15Congress. And and there was talk even of
3:04:18them charging me. And talking to my
3:04:20lawyers, it is like probably the next
3:04:22scariest thing other than death because
3:04:25you can't fight the government. You
3:04:27can't fight the DOJ. Infinite resources.
3:04:30And if they want you, they're going to
3:04:32get you. So, I mean, I I do believe
3:04:34you're right. And Andrew and Tristan are
3:04:36very resilient, but when you're up
3:04:37against the five eyes, when you're up
3:04:39against that system, the UK, the US,
3:04:42it's tough when they have you in their
3:04:44sights.
3:04:45>> Don't ever underestuate the power of
3:04:47faith.
3:04:50>> I like that.
3:04:51>> Uh, professor, is there anything you
3:04:52wanted to ask Nick, but you haven't had
3:04:54a chance to?
3:04:55>> When are you going to Japan?
3:04:57>> Soon. Maybe next year.
3:04:58>> Yeah.
3:04:58>> When's a good time to go, do you think?
3:05:00>> Um, so summer's way too hot. Yeah. Don't
3:05:03go in July and August. It's really
3:05:04really hot. I made a mistake because I
3:05:06was actually in Tokyo for the first time
3:05:09in um July. Um do you like to ski?
3:05:14>> I've never skied before.
3:05:15>> Okay. Because they say Japan is the best
3:05:16place to ski in the world.
3:05:18>> So if you like to ski, uh Japan's the
3:05:20place.
3:05:21>> But they say November uh is a really
3:05:25good month to to visit
3:05:27>> and and you will be converted.
3:05:30>> Yeah. The Japanese will convert you,
3:05:32Nick.
3:05:32>> Okay. I'm open to it. I'm openminded.
3:05:34>> Yeah. Yeah. So, let's go to Japan and
3:05:36let's find you a nice Japanese lady.
3:05:39>> I'll come back with a war bride.
3:05:40>> And then you and then you can create the
3:05:42master race.
3:05:43>> Nick, is there anything you wanted to
3:05:44ask Jeang that you haven't had a chance
3:05:46to?
3:05:48>> When you come to Chicago?
3:05:50>> I would love to go to Chicago.
3:05:51>> Let's do a collab. Come to Chicago.
3:05:53>> Yeah. Yeah. Do Do you want to do a
3:05:54comedy show together?
3:05:56>> Yeah, that'd be kind of funny.
3:05:57>> Yeah, cuz uh I I've been hanging out
3:05:59with some with some comedians. You know,
3:06:01Sam Hyde, right?
3:06:02>> Yeah. Oh yeah.
3:06:03>> Yeah. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. And
3:06:04you know Kurt Massacre?
3:06:06>> I do. Yeah.
3:06:06>> Yeah. So So I did two comedy podcasts.
3:06:09Um um and it was a lot of fun. So So
3:06:13should we we should do something
3:06:14something silly?
3:06:15>> Yeah. Yeah. This was so serious.
3:06:16>> Yeah. Let's not do this anymore.
3:06:17>> We got to let's do a silly one.
3:06:19>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll do that. Like
3:06:21like you have contacts in the comedy
3:06:22world.
3:06:23>> I don't. No. I thought we'd just, you
3:06:25know,
3:06:26>> right
3:06:26>> hang out.
3:06:27>> Okay.
3:06:27>> But yeah, let's do it.
3:06:28>> Okay. All right. Yeah. Let's let's let's
3:06:31do a collab of some sort. Um but let's
3:06:34let's go to Japan first.
3:06:35>> Okay.
3:06:35>> Yeah. Cuz I really want to I I really
3:06:37want to find you a nice Japanese lady.
3:06:39>> I'm open to that. That'll be we'll do
3:06:41some pickup artist stuff.
3:06:42>> Uh or we can do some comedy as well.
3:06:44>> And some comedy, too.
3:06:45>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
3:06:47>> Last question for both of you. Uh if you
3:06:50could create one universal law that
3:06:52everyone on Earth had to follow,
3:06:55>> what would it be?
3:06:57Oh, that's [sighs]
3:06:59where to even begin. I mean, is it
3:07:00[clears throat] like what are the rules
3:07:02for this? Any law?
3:07:04>> Any law?
3:07:05>> What would you say? It's kind of a
3:07:07tricky trick question.
3:07:08>> I would make everyone pray to God before
3:07:11they went to bed. And I would make the
3:07:13prayer about what they did wrong that
3:07:16day.
3:07:17>> Wow, that's a good answer.
3:07:19>> Why? because I think
3:07:23um that as humans we need to emphasize
3:07:26our connection to God to be truly human
3:07:29and uh we to truly pursue spiritual
3:07:33growth you need to appreciate your
3:07:35limitations you know and and and that's
3:07:37why I'm such a huge fan of of religious
3:07:39practices like the confession in the
3:07:41Catholic church
3:07:43>> uh that I think is very much part of you
3:07:46know the um connection to God. I was
3:07:48going to say something like don't wear
3:07:49pajamas in public or like you know some
3:07:51of these like decorum things.
3:07:52>> Have you worn pajamas in public?
3:07:53>> No. No, but people do and it's stuff
3:07:55like that.
3:07:56>> I've worn pajamas in in public.
3:07:57>> Come on now. We can't be
3:07:58>> in China. China in China like everyone
3:08:00wears pajamas in public. I kid you not.
3:08:02>> This is America.
3:08:03>> Okay. Okay.
3:08:04>> We can't be doing that. [laughter] Maybe
3:08:06that flies over there. Let's protect the
3:08:07white. You guys were farmers a
3:08:09generation ago. No, I'm kidding.
3:08:12>> Yeah, that's a good one. I'm taking his
3:08:13answer as well.
3:08:14>> Do you guys think that China and America
3:08:15are friends?
3:08:17Are they or will they be
3:08:19>> or do you think China is a threat?
3:08:21>> China's definitely a threat. I think
3:08:23>> I think um there'll be a major turning
3:08:25point in a relationship and it's when uh
3:08:28President C visits United States um on
3:08:33September 24th. I think that will mark
3:08:36um a radical turning point in the
3:08:38relationship because
3:08:41I mean I live in China and I can tell
3:08:43you the Chinese people love the United
3:08:45States. Um, you know, Asians are I I I
3:08:49mean, like I'm not actually joking when
3:08:50I say that Asians are the worst white
3:08:52white supremacists in the world. If even
3:08:54you're bad, go visit China.
3:08:57>> H Well, Nick, I'd let you add thoughts
3:08:59on that, but that's a whole other
3:09:01discussion. Maybe you guys can do it in
3:09:02your comedy show.
3:09:03>> Yes. Yes. On our Asia tour.
3:09:05>> Beautiful. Uh, well, everyone, this has
3:09:07been Nick Fuentes and Professor Jeang.
3:09:10This is the Jack Neil podcast and I
3:09:12believe this is Professor Jeang's last
3:09:14guest appearance in America for a while.
3:09:16>> Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh
3:09:19where can people What are you guys
3:09:21excited about that you're working on
3:09:22right now that you want to promote?
3:09:24Anything?
3:09:24>> Uh just the Rumble. I'm on America First
3:09:27Monday through Friday on Rumble.
3:09:28>> Cool. Um I am on Substack and YouTube.
3:09:32Uh predictive history. Beautiful.
3:09:35Awesome. See you guys.

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