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0:05hey lovely freaks and welcome back to
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0:26yeah so we are
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1:00just kind of been
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1:05mourning i mean losing a pet's really
1:08hard
1:08a lot harder than i anticipated it to be
1:11um because that's the first time i've
1:12ever had a pet
1:13of my own like you know i mean we've had
1:16pets with our parents and stuff but
1:17that's the first time
1:19i've ever lost a pet that i've actually
1:20personally owned so
1:22it was difficult but anywho
1:26we are back and um
1:31yeah today we have a very interesting
1:34story for you guys
1:35i'm back on the uh i'm back on the case
1:38back in the case
1:39hannah's off the case oh thank god that
1:42it i was stumbling
1:43over my words the whole last two weeks
1:46have just been
1:47insane in my life so um
1:51and next week's not going to be any
1:52better because my children start school
1:54and i'm hoping we're going to be able to
1:55get an episode for you guys out friday
1:57um hopefully we'll be able to but it's
2:00going to be a busy week we have a lot of
2:02doctor's appointments next week and
2:03everything so i'm not going to bore you
2:05with my life
2:05anyways just letting you know okay
2:08um so today we're going to be talking
2:10about an abduction case
2:13we haven't done one of these in a while
2:14but you guys like those are what our
2:16numbers are mostly like
2:18you know high numbers and abduction
2:20cases so and this one
2:22this story's about i saw in a tick tock
2:25where there was a movie
2:26about it yeah it's the movie called well
2:29there's a couple of different
2:30documentaries and stuff but
2:31the one from tick tock is the 3096 days
2:36yeah that's the only reason i knows well
2:38i don't know of it but i've seen like
2:40clips of it
2:41yeah so i might know some things yeah
2:43not really
2:44so it's about natasha campus
2:47hopefully i said that last name right um
2:50but natasha
2:51this is a story
2:54um out of
2:58i'm trying to think of where it's from
3:01where's it from like
3:06it's out of austria um it was about i
3:09was pretty sure i was
3:10right but i wanted a pulse to make sure
3:13i was pretty sure i was right there
3:15um but yeah so
3:18the story's crazy she was for those of
3:21you that
3:22don't know spoiler alert but she was
3:24abducted for
3:25eight years um
3:28eight years is a long time i couldn't
3:32even function but it's crazy because
3:35some people
3:36bit like some people are abducted for
3:38like
3:4018 years 20 years and what about that
3:42last case we were doing with that
3:44girl that was underneath the how long
3:46was she
3:48the basement abatement the bateman the
3:50basement
3:51oh my gosh i don't even remember it was
3:53a long time i think it was like
3:5420 maybe yeah i want to say it was 20
3:57something
3:58years ago i feel like i'm going to be
3:59wrong yeah i can't remember we've done
4:01so many and we've read so much
4:03that you know yeah i i just get my wires
4:06crossed it's hard for me up
4:08i envy those podcasters that can like
4:10remember
4:11remember all the details i'm like i
4:12can't do that so um
4:15so anywho let's get started so natasha
4:18campus
4:19uh was abducted at age 10 march 2nd
4:221998 by wolfgang pricklapel
4:26i think i said that last name right
4:28doesn't really matter he's a douche but
4:29his first name was wolfgang which is
4:31really odd yeah because maybe that's
4:34maybe yeah
4:36oh i don't know maybe that's i guess
4:37that's a
4:39pop in austria last name that's mozart's
4:42last name i'm pretty sure
4:43yeah wolfgang amadeus mozart yeah it's
4:46his last name
4:48so that's weird that is his first name
4:50wolfgang's mozart's last name
4:52yeah wolfgang amadeus mozart no wait
4:56no first name okay never mind oh you
4:58said that i was like
4:59i was thinking mozart i was doing it
5:01backwards in my head go ahead yeah
5:03okay sorry i don't know you know about
5:06music yeah
5:07um i know who mozart is but that's about
5:09it so
5:10she was walking to school one morning
5:12and she lived in the
5:14vienna's district in these like
5:16apartment complexes
5:18and her mom said that you know her mom
5:21would watch her out the window and make
5:22sure she got
5:23around because once she got to the end
5:25of the street
5:27it was pretty much she was right there
5:28at the school and there was
5:30other kids and parents and stuff like
5:32that so she didn't really worry about
5:33her and she had been
5:35walking to school most days um i watched
5:38a documentary type thing on
5:41uh netflix and so
5:44um it's pretty interesting they're they
5:46obviously don't speak
5:48english but they dub it oh they they
5:52like you know they'll speak in their
5:54regular language their regular language
5:56and then they'll
5:57talk you know yeah because my daughter
5:58was like what are they how do you know
6:00what they're saying
6:01i was like just wait and there's the
6:03english okay
6:04but anyways um so yeah she was
6:08walking to school and she was literally
6:10like
6:11less than a block from school and she
6:14said that she saw this van and it was a
6:16white van
6:16and there was this man standing outside
6:18of the white van but he looked like a
6:20normal
6:21man you know and she's 10 so i mean
6:23she's not a little
6:24you know she's still not a teenager but
6:26she's not a little little kid you know
6:28so she said she was just walking and as
6:31soon as she walked
6:32past the van the man grabbed her from
6:34behind and
6:35pulled her into the van
6:38she said she remembers that they drove
6:40for a long time
6:42it felt like a long time but it wasn't
6:44as long as
6:45i guess it could have been but she said
6:48when they arrived to the house
6:50he put a blue blanket over her head
6:53and then he dragged her into the seller
6:58or the seller type thing
7:01what she assumed was a seller and we'll
7:03we'll talk about that
7:05um and then when natasha did not return
7:08home from school her mom said that she
7:10she was about 10 minutes late and she's
7:12usually never late
7:13so she started calling people i believe
7:16she called um
7:18like what would be the office at their
7:20school she called it something else but
7:22um she called them and you know they
7:24they said no she's not here
7:26you know she was fast on the case it's
7:28only 10 minutes yeah yeah i mean because
7:30she was like it was not
7:31it was not like her to be late and after
7:33about 10 minutes she
7:34started to get worried yeah um she just
7:37knew something was wrong
7:39so this case is a little different as
7:42far as um
7:45what he does like he kind of just keeps
7:48her
7:50prisoner basically for a good while and
7:53we'll talk about all of it but i'm just
7:55gonna i thought you said
7:57we'll talk about it i love it but you
7:58said oh no all of it's like
8:01all of it i don't love it
8:04um the first she said the first day that
8:07he
8:08brought her a thin foam mattress and she
8:11had a blanket like the
8:13the blue blanket that she had over her
8:14head she had that she didn't have a
8:16pillow but she used her jacket that she
8:18had
8:19and put it like bundled up she also said
8:21that
8:22she was wearing a dress
8:25and she had stockings and everything on
8:28she was just trying to keep as much
8:30clothing on as she could because she
8:32said that she knew
8:33she felt like if she took any of her
8:35clothes off maybe he would
8:37you know do something and um she didn't
8:39want that to happen right then and this
8:40is all
8:41stuff that she was saying in the
8:42documentary well i can't believe she's
8:44thinking about that
8:45yeah um meanwhile a massive
8:49search had started underway for her
8:52um a 12 year old girl
8:55said that she thought that she saw a man
8:58two men actually
8:59dragging her into a white van a white
9:02minivan
9:03so it wasn't two men
9:06or natasha said that she doesn't ever
9:08remember there being two men
9:10if there was a second one she never saw
9:11it or anything like that so
9:13that was just him it was probably just
9:16him that's probably what she saw maybe
9:17she thought she saw another man
9:20so they're looking for
9:24a minivan the police they have they
9:25immediately start looking
9:27all over for this minivan and natasha
9:29said that she didn't have
9:31any way to connect to contact the man
9:34while she was down in the basement
9:35so i'm going to kind of flip back and
9:36forth between like at one point i'll
9:39talk about the investigation and then
9:40i'll talk about natasha so
9:42um she said that like down in the
9:45basement
9:47she like once he left there was no way
9:49to communicate with him
9:51and the walls of the basement were super
9:53thick and
9:54well like i said we'll get to what it
9:57actually was because it's kind of crazy
9:59and um so
10:02she said that she would just sit in
10:05there
10:05in the dark and then every day he would
10:07come in
10:09and bring her you know something like
10:12food and
10:13stuff clothing yeah yeah
10:16um but after a while i never could
10:20pinpoint exactly the time frames of all
10:23these things she would just say
10:25because she didn't know she said
10:27sometimes it would feel like maybe a
10:28year would go by six months would go by
10:30two years would go by
10:32she said after a while and i think it
10:33was after about like three months or so
10:36he finally installed like a voice uh
10:39intercom
10:39system type thing to communicate with
10:41her so he hasn't
10:43um like done anything to her yet right
10:47no um i believe that comes
10:52much later i'm thinking it comes like
10:55maybe two or three years later
10:57um i'm not really sure why
11:01and by other stuff i know you mean like
11:03sexual things
11:04yeah um she never really came out and
11:07said that she and we'll get to why she
11:09never came out and said that she was
11:12raped or anything like that on wikipedia
11:14it says that she was
11:15um after a few years maybe she just
11:18didn't want to talk about it
11:19well it's kind of how the media treated
11:21her
11:22and she just there were some things she
11:24wanted to keep to herself is what she
11:26said and she felt like
11:28we'll get to how the media treated her
11:30at the end but um
11:31that's perfectly fine like keeping that
11:33to yourself like she doesn't have to
11:34tell you no no i mean i don't i don't i
11:36mean i'm sure it happened i have no
11:37doubt
11:38but i don't need to know when yeah or
11:40whatever you don't need
11:41no details if she doesn't want to tell
11:42us you know um
11:44she said that the seller that he kept
11:46her in was small
11:48and it was underneath the garage
11:50actually
11:51the entrance was hidden behind a
11:53cupboard
11:54so like there was a small little
11:56cupboard and it was in the entrance to
11:57this like you had to pull out like this
11:59uh
12:00safe or something in order to get behind
12:02the wall
12:03and that's where the entrance was the
12:05seller had a door that was made of
12:07concrete and reinforced with steel the
12:10room she was in
12:11was about 54 square feet
12:14don't ask me how big 54 square feet is
12:17but i'm assuming
12:18from the pictures it looked like the
12:20room
12:23was probably
12:26a little bit bigger than the size of my
12:28bathroom to give you kind of a
12:30okay yeah i mean it was not big at all i
12:33mean wow
12:33it was smaller than my bedroom it was
12:35smaller than this room smaller than our
12:37bedroom so like a hotel
12:38bathroom pretty much if you think of a
12:40regular no it's bigger than that
12:42bigger than that yeah i mean i don't
12:44know how big 54 square feet
12:46is but it's not big
12:49yeah i mean so y'all's house like
12:52the mom and dad's trailer is like 60
12:56something foot
12:57yeah lengthwise so if you took half of
13:01that or
13:0250 54 foot of that and made it into a
13:05box i mean
13:06you can kind of get the gist it wasn't
13:07very big it wasn't bad um
13:11but she did have from the pictures that
13:12i saw she did have
13:14like um
13:17water toilets there were some other
13:20things now i don't know if he
13:22put that in over time or if he had that
13:25in already
13:26i never got i never could find any
13:29information out about that
13:31but um this kind of reminded me of the
13:34story that we were talking about but the
13:35girl
13:36and her dad put her down there now
13:39there were no windows and the room was
13:42soundproof and you actually had to crawl
13:45into the entrance so once you pulled the
13:48um once you went down
13:51under the uh
13:55what'd i say the entrance was like a
13:58garage
13:59once you know the garage yeah once you
14:00went down under there
14:02you would pull this um
14:06what did i say it was
14:09a uh the crawl space right no what's
14:12that thing called
14:13a safe cheese you pull the safe out and
14:16then there was this hole in the wall
14:17where you would crawl through the wall
14:18then on the other side there would be a
14:21reinforced steel door with concrete that
14:23you'd push
14:23open and then you'd hop down and then
14:26the other room was in there so yeah he
14:29made like
14:30yeah yeah he did a lot of stuff he made
14:33a lot of stuff
14:34so he was actually a contract um
14:37for different buildings like housing
14:39building stuff his
14:40his uh one of his colleagues which we'll
14:43mention
14:43in this um he actually said that he
14:46asked him
14:47he remembers him asking him at one point
14:50and it must have been
14:50while he was building this he remembered
14:53asking him if you wanted to
14:54sound proof something and he wanted to
14:56make something to where nobody could
14:58hear
14:59uh what did he say i think it was like
15:02nobody could hear a nail gun
15:03that's what he said he said what do you
15:05think would be the best way and he was
15:06like well you probably want to
15:08like put a thick concrete maybe
15:10something like that
15:12and the guy said he was sickened to find
15:14out that that's what he was
15:16asking him about you know so
15:19um the police meanwhile
15:22while she's in the seller and
15:26barely getting fed every day and just
15:28kind of he kind of just
15:30he feeds her enough to keep her alive
15:31but he doesn't feed her enough for her
15:33to like
15:33be sustained is what she said and he
15:35kind of does that the entire time
15:38um the police were examining minivans
15:41they actually examined 776
15:44minivans including wolfgang's fan
15:47yeah that's right um he only lived
15:51half an hour from the abduction site
15:54and he stated that when they asked him
15:57like they they searched his van and he
16:00had like concrete and stuff in it and
16:02all this different work equipment
16:03because you know he's a contractor
16:05and he stated that he was at home alone
16:07the whole morning
16:08that she was abducted and he had no
16:11criminal record
16:12so they didn't really investigate him
16:14any further
16:15they just kind of believed a story just
16:16simply because he didn't have a criminal
16:18record there wasn't any flags that went
16:20off or anything like that
16:22um but they invest i mean you know they
16:25were investigating
16:26776 fans for god's sakes
16:29now eight days after the police
16:32questioned
16:33him um they received an a tip from
16:36somebody it was a man and i think it was
16:38his neighbor and he was also a
16:41i can't remember if he was a retired um
16:43police detective or if he was
16:45police detective i don't think he was he
16:47was i think he was retired
16:49but anywho the man was the neighbor and
16:51he said
16:52that um
16:56he said that he was a recluse like
16:58wolfgang was a recluse
17:00who owns a white truck he was a shy
17:03loner
17:04who has uh surveillance cameras around
17:07his house
17:08and he is thought to have a sexual
17:11interest in children
17:12i don't know how he knew that i guess
17:13people in the town probably
17:15thought that maybe um the town he's
17:18living in
17:19gets the tip from the town that she was
17:22abducted from
17:23they get the tip and then the police
17:26just remember that they had already
17:29talked to him
17:30so they don't do anything with it they
17:33don't go check on they don't do anything
17:35yeah they just file it away really yep
17:38really
17:39never go check on the house or anything
17:42like that which is crazy to me
17:44um natasha said
17:47that um he eventually installed a timer
17:52in the cellar where the lights would go
17:54on and off because before that
17:56she was pretty much just in the dark 90
17:59of the time until he came down there
18:00and turned the lights on um
18:04he she said that it was always humid and
18:07wet in the cellar
18:11she said that it also smelled like mold
18:14all the time
18:14and there was bugs everywhere because
18:18i mean it's underground basically
18:21and the yeah he poured con i don't
18:23really know if he poured concrete
18:25i guess he did um
18:28or put concrete up in it or whatever to
18:32reinforce the walls but yeah i mean it's
18:34it's
18:35she said that the whole time that she
18:38was there
18:39all the whole eight years i mean it was
18:40really molded and mildewed and i'm
18:42really surprised that she didn't get
18:44some sort of cancer or something and die
18:46to be perfectly honest but um you know
18:49that's surprising that she and also she
18:51wasn't like sick all the time
18:53yeah when natasha was eventually
18:56allowed to come upstairs either it was
18:59either six months
19:00or a year after she had been there um
19:04there was conflicting reports she was
19:06still in the darkness
19:07because he would close the blinds and
19:10lock all the doors
19:11and he would not like let her see any
19:14daylight which i thought was really odd
19:16i was like why does it matter
19:18um because he had i guess he had
19:20blackout
19:21curtains or blinds or whatever i guess
19:23they were dark
19:25because she said there was barely any
19:26light coming from them
19:28um he also of course kept all the doors
19:30locked because he didn't want her to
19:31escape
19:32he began to make her kind of like his
19:35slave
19:36um she was made to cook for him and
19:38clean for him
19:40she also said at one point that
19:43and i think that was when the sexual
19:45things started happening
19:46about two years after she one to two
19:48years after she had been there
19:50um so she would have been 12.
19:54and she said he also like even when he
19:57was sick
19:58he would like let her out of the cellar
20:00just to come up there to take care of
20:01him
20:02i would have poisoned his food yeah be
20:04perfectly honest but um
20:06he would have people like
20:10he worked for over at his house not all
20:12the time
20:13but he would have like colleagues or
20:16something like that stop
20:17by and nobody ever noticed anything like
20:20the guy
20:21one of the colleagues that was in the
20:23documentary he said he had been there
20:25before
20:26and he never even noticed
20:29like anything out of the ordinary no you
20:32let her up there
20:36he wouldn't hear anything no he wouldn't
20:38hear anything or nothing like that
20:40weird things yeah natasha go ahead and
20:43then also if
20:46if this is in his um not his basement
20:49but his
20:51garage if it's in his garage
20:54why isn't anybody like asking
20:58why what's in the garage like it's got
21:00to be
21:01like his car shouldn't be in there why
21:04like why people are asking why isn't
21:05your car in the garage this car is in
21:07the garage
21:08okay so it's so when you're in the
21:09garage i'm so confused
21:11when you're it's kind of complicated
21:13you'd have to look at pictures of it but
21:14when you're in the garage um
21:20let me look a picture of pictures yeah
21:23you have to look at pictures because
21:24it's kind of complicated to explain but
21:26i mean
21:27while you're doing that i'll read um or
21:30talk more
21:31so she said that
21:34natasha said that he would starve her
21:38um he kept her weak so that way she
21:40wouldn't run away her body mass was only
21:4414.8
21:45like on the scale you know your body
21:47mass
21:48and it's at her age it was supposed to
21:50be around um
21:5118 really skinny and not anywhere near
21:55what she you know should have been
21:59um she said that he was obsessed
22:02wolfgang was obsessed
22:03with cleaning and having things neat
22:07he would make her wear a plastic bag on
22:09her head
22:11and he would actually she said it was
22:13really painful because she had to wear a
22:15plastic bag on her head
22:17and it was clipped on there with clips
22:20and they would like dig into her scalp
22:22and everything he didn't want her hair
22:24getting everywhere
22:25he also didn't want her fingerprints on
22:27anything so if he saw a fingerprint like
22:30if she was cleaning
22:31and he saw a fingerprint on like glass
22:33or something he would like
22:35beat her and make her clean it off
22:38probably because she was thinking it's
22:40probably she actually said that she said
22:41i think it's because he probably
22:44didn't want any evidence left behind
22:47because her hair or her fingerprints or
22:49anything like that
22:50yeah but it was still really weird
22:54so anywho i don't know what just
22:57happened to the
22:58podcast but okay i looked up so yeah
23:02and stuff and i saw it yeah um
23:05it it pretty much is
23:08through the yeah it's like it was like
23:11yeah you had to move something and then
23:13you crawled through to the other side
23:14so yeah um
23:18yeah but like i said he didn't like for
23:22things to be
23:23messy and all that stuff um he also
23:27would punish her if she
23:30did anything that he didn't like which
23:32obviously we kind of figured that
23:34um you know he'd slap her around and
23:36stuff like that he eventually cut
23:38all of her hair off it started out she
23:42thought to her she said she actually
23:44told him she was like well i'll just cut
23:45my hair
23:46if it's such a big deal you know instead
23:48of me wearing this thing on my head all
23:49the time i'll just cut my hair
23:51so she cut it he gave her a pair of
23:53scissors and she cut it short
23:55but he said that he was going to cut it
23:57shorter and he just
23:59cut all her hair off pretty much i mean
24:01it was super super short
24:03he would also abuse her um
24:07to the point where she she said that she
24:10felt like he was just trying to have a
24:12submissive slave basically like that's
24:14what he was trying to do
24:15yeah um
24:18which is crazy and well i'll explain
24:20that at the end he would also tell her
24:22that he had explosives on the doors
24:26and then he had a gun and if she ever
24:28tried to leave he would shoot her
24:30and he would also threaten her family
24:32you know and say that he knew where her
24:33mother lived and all this stuff so
24:35he would kill her you know mom and dad
24:38and all this so
24:39like they normally a lot of cases like
24:42this we've heard them say that
24:44um so a little bit about wolfgang was
24:47that he was an only child
24:49according to his colleague that he
24:51worked with and
24:52he also like after his father died he
24:55kind of developed
24:56a intense relationship with his mother
24:59i'm not quite sure what that means
25:01um i couldn't find anything like i
25:03wanted to know like what kind of intense
25:05relationship with his mother like are we
25:07talking like
25:08that kind of intense relationship but
25:11um i don't know that would explain a lot
25:14yeah
25:14i don't know if maybe it was like a
25:16norman bates situation i'm not sure
25:19but um yeah it was really strange
25:22um but he also said that he
25:26had high demands for women like what he
25:29wanted them to be
25:31grass his colleague said that he needed
25:34um that the women needed to be
25:38clean slim and blonde so they needed to
25:41be
25:42basically like models i guess you could
25:44say
25:46basically like a child yeah
25:49well she was blonde and she was a child
25:52a child
25:52so you're just a pedophile pretty much
25:54yes
25:56um in 2002 so this is
26:00a pretty lengthy amount of time uh there
26:03was a private
26:04detective on the case and he came up
26:07with
26:07this crazy theory that natasha's mother
26:11was having an affair with a businessman
26:13and natasha was in the way
26:15so she killed them and buried so she
26:17killed her and buried her in
26:19um the spot that he thought her body was
26:22in
26:22like it was this whole flight fiasco
26:24thing wow her mom said yeah she was her
26:26mom was like
26:26she she was like yeah i was pissed
26:28because no evidence or nothing just no
26:30top of his head yeah much so the where
26:34this guy
26:34thought that natasha was buried they dug
26:36it up and obviously there was nobody
26:38there
26:39and um you know so nothing came of that
26:41of course but
26:42i just thought that was crazy that this
26:43random private detective was like you
26:45know what
26:45effects the mother did it and they
26:48actually
26:49think yeah they actually like were like
26:52yeah let's dig up this
26:54whole piece of land just to find out how
26:56about you do your job i don't know
26:58it was weird it's so funny how they'll
27:00accuse her of that do all that but they
27:02couldn't even like check a van
27:03or literally go look at the assessment
27:06yeah if they would have
27:07if they would have opened up all the
27:10files again
27:11on the people because he was filed away
27:13as like a
27:14person of interest but he was never
27:16taught to again
27:17yeah so if they would have just looked
27:19that up again
27:20probably would have seen her in 2002 she
27:23didn't escape to 2006
27:25so they probably just needed like a
27:27search dog in there and then the dog
27:29would have smelled her
27:30bar maybe yeah especially since she had
27:33been upstairs at that point
27:34i think that's what they need to do if
27:36anybody's in like
27:38a suspect and they're looking for
27:40somebody yeah
27:42so natasha said that she thought many
27:44times about ending it
27:46her life um but she didn't want to give
27:48up
27:49she said that it would have been like
27:52giving in
27:53you know and she just wanted to keep
27:55fighting
27:56um he eventually gave her books to read
28:00and would kind of like give her stuff to
28:03help her with their education
28:05he would buy her math books too because
28:07she said that she asked for them she
28:09said
28:09that she also asked to take like math
28:12tests
28:13and he could grade them because he was
28:15pretty smart you know
28:16yeah and so he would do that but she
28:19said
28:20it just became like a way for him to
28:22just dominate her
28:24because he would always she said that he
28:26would always
28:27take a red marker and mark every single
28:29question wrong
28:31and then get on to her and like be mad
28:33at her for
28:34not knowing what she was doing but she
28:37said that she knew some of the answers
28:38were right that she did
28:40it was just weird it was like weird it
28:42was like he was
28:43trying to make her feel dumb pretty much
28:45yeah
28:46trying to break her yeah um
28:50over the years the police would tell her
28:52mom to buy a plot
28:54and visit her because they prob they
28:56thought that she was dead they're like
28:58she's probably dead so you just need to
29:00buy a gravestone and like that'll be a
29:02spot you can visit her at
29:03but even though there was no evidence or
29:06even a body found they still told her
29:08this which was crazy to me
29:10usually they don't tell parents that
29:11well here in the here in the u.s they
29:13don't
29:13you know unless they find a body they
29:15don't believe they don't
29:16say that they're dead or anything like
29:20that
29:21um but natasha's mom
29:25the whole eight years even up until she
29:28was found you know she was like
29:30i believed that she was still alive i
29:32could just feel that she was still alive
29:34and there's a lot of parents like that
29:35we've done these abduction stories on
29:36that
29:37you know always can just tell whether or
29:40not their
29:41child's gone or not which is crazy to me
29:44i don't know what i would do if
29:45like a kid even adeline if anyone was
29:48gone
29:49i wouldn't stop searching i could
29:51understand
29:52why parents keep searching oh yeah i can
29:55too because i wouldn't
29:57yeah i would never be able to stop
30:00searching
30:02natasha said that after a few years um
30:05he would let her go out into this garden
30:08that he had
30:10and but he would only let her go out at
30:11night and she would
30:13she would ask if she could pick
30:14different flowers and different things
30:16to take back to the cellar and he was
30:17like sure
30:18you know whatever um
30:21she said that after some time see she
30:24just kept saying after some time after
30:27a couple years you know she would say
30:28that over and over so i don't really
30:30know exactly when
30:31but after some time she said that um
30:36he started you know
30:40taking her out like he he worked
30:43um on different apartments and stuff
30:45like he would renovate them
30:47and so he would take her to work and he
30:49would be like
30:50he wouldn't let her talk to anybody but
30:53he would always
30:54like if somebody would come up to her
30:55she would conveniently always have like
30:57bricks in her hand or something she was
30:58carrying he would just say oh this is my
31:00helper or something like that
31:01okay she wasn't really a kid at that
31:03point she was probably like
31:05a teenager you know a teenager 14 15 16
31:08somewhere in there so
31:09um obviously nobody's gonna ask
31:11questions and they're just gonna think
31:12okay whatever
31:13uh but yeah he would you know he felt
31:16confident that she wasn't gonna go
31:17anywhere
31:18and she everybody always asked her like
31:21they always thought that she had
31:22stockholm syndrome and she kind of gets
31:24really upset when people think that
31:26because she said it's not like that at
31:27all it's just
31:29and there's a lot of abduction cases
31:31where people automatically are like you
31:33must have stockholm syndrome you didn't
31:35flee and run and leave and it's like
31:37well no it's not that it's just that
31:40he was so abusive sexually and
31:43physically and all this stuff and
31:45she was so wore down that she said that
31:48she
31:50thought that she there was no way she
31:52was gonna get away yeah you know what i
31:53mean and also he said that he would do
31:55something to her family
31:57or he would just shoot her yeah and
31:59she's just scared of that too
32:00i mean and he probably brain wayne
32:03washed her
32:04blame wasp probably brainwashed her
32:08into thinking that she could never
32:10escape she could never get away
32:11you know because this was seven years
32:14after she had been there
32:15that he started letting her go to work
32:16you know yeah so i mean
32:20yeah that's a long time um
32:23so i can understand why people
32:27you know we and there was another report
32:28that said that she
32:30went on a ski trip with him and i think
32:32that's in that movie that three thousand
32:35ninety six ninety six days yeah um
32:38they went on like a ski trip or
32:40something like that and
32:42she didn't run away you know and just
32:45all this different stuff but i mean i
32:48can understand why she didn't run away
32:49for sure
32:50she did say that at one point though
32:53they were
32:54in town and there was a roadblock and
32:56there was a police officer
32:58and she said that she was in the
33:00passenger seat and she was trying to
33:02signal the police officer with like her
33:04eyes she was like making all these eye
33:05contacts you know moving her eyes around
33:08looking at him looking at the police
33:10officer had this look on her face
33:12and she said the police officer she said
33:15the police officer must have been stupid
33:17because he didn't get my
33:19he didn't get my uh cues and i was like
33:22that sucks like if i saw a kid
33:26looking around like that i'd be like are
33:27you all right are you okay
33:29yeah because she didn't escape till she
33:30was 18 so she's still a teenager plus
33:33she's really skinny and malnourished
33:35looking and that's another thing she
33:36said she said i didn't look like a
33:38typical
33:3815 16 year old like her hair is skinny
33:41knotted yeah
33:42really cut your short shorts shorts yeah
33:45and maybe
33:46she said i was pale i never got out in
33:48the sun
33:50so yeah i mean i don't understand why he
33:53didn't
33:53think oh something's wrong here
33:56um so yeah she just she lived a pretty
34:00shitty life i mean it's not like you
34:03know
34:03obviously she would have much rather
34:05have been home with her parents and
34:07for anybody that thinks she had
34:09stockholm syndrome and
34:10she was okay with being where she was
34:12she wasn't okay with being where she was
34:14she was just trying to survive
34:16um and anyone that does have stuff
34:19stockholm syndrome to me i feel like
34:21is more or less of like
34:24if you have a way to escape and you do
34:27leave but you come back
34:28yeah or something like that like you
34:30actually
34:32are so brainwashed to the point where
34:33you love this person yeah and that was
34:35that wasn't the case and we're going to
34:37talk about her escape so
34:39that's where we're at
34:42so the 18 year old natasha escaped from
34:46wolfgang's house on august 23rd
34:502006 at 12 53 p.m
34:54she was cleaning and vacuuming his
34:57automobile in the garden
34:59when he got a call on his mobile phone
35:02because of the vacuum's loud noise he
35:03walked away to take the call which he
35:05didn't really ever do he kind of just
35:08hovered around her a lot he never let
35:11her go anywhere by herself
35:13um so natasha
35:16left the vacuum cleaner running and she
35:19ran away
35:20right there so she just like ran
35:24uh she was he didn't see because he
35:27thought she was still vacuuming
35:28and he he completed the phone call and
35:31without any sign he
35:33of of being disturbed or distracted
35:38natasha ran for some
35:41200 meters through neighborhoods gardens
35:44streets
35:44she jumped fences she asked passerbys to
35:48call the police
35:50but they paid her no attention which
35:53they just didn't want to get involved um
35:55after about five minutes she knocked on
35:57the window of a 71 year old
35:59man known as
36:04[Music]
36:06i don't know saying i am natasha
36:10um campus then um can you please like
36:14you know call the police yeah uh the
36:16neighbor called the police and
36:18who arrived around 104 so
36:22and then from 1253 to 104. okay
36:25um that's the short amount of time you
36:28know
36:29later natasha was taken to the police
36:31station in town
36:33natasha was identified by scars on her
36:36body
36:37and by her passport that was something i
36:39forgot to mention she
36:40actually had her passport on her because
36:42her family when she was abducted
36:44her family had just gotten um back from
36:47like a trip
36:48and so she still had her passport in her
36:50wallet and her
36:51in her book bag and so um
36:54she had it the whole time even when she
36:57was
36:57and and we'll get to why that's
37:00important too
37:01for at one point the police i guess i'll
37:04go ahead and say at one point the police
37:05thought that maybe she had been a victim
37:08of sex trafficking
37:09or um prostitution or something like
37:12that because they were
37:14they knew that she had her passport so
37:15they were thinking okay well she's
37:16probably like
37:17overseas by now you know or gone another
37:20country so
37:22um they also did a dna test
37:25and she was in good physical health
37:27although
37:28she was pale shaken and of course
37:31um she only weighed 106 pounds she
37:34weighed 99 pounds when she was abducted
37:37eight years prior to that
37:38wow she's like 18 right yeah wow so
37:41she weighed 99 pounds when she was
37:43abducted at 10 and at 18 she only
37:45weighed 106.
37:46so she only gained like seven pounds
37:48over an eight period
37:50wow um
37:54she only grew five inches
37:58during her captivity as well so that's
38:02another thing so
38:07sabin i'm not only going to try to say
38:08his last name it was a police officer
38:10he was the first police officer to speak
38:12with natasha after her ordeal
38:14and she said that she was astonished
38:19of the the woman police officer said
38:21that she was astonished by
38:22her intellect and her vocabulary after
38:25two years
38:26wolfgang like i said would bring her
38:28books newspapers
38:30she would listen to the radio and stuff
38:31like that and he would
38:34help her with her education um but she
38:37also
38:38like taught herself a lot of things she
38:41also stated that she
38:42constantly had the feeling that she
38:46liked something
38:49she said that she felt like she had a
38:50defect so i wanted to make that better
38:53and i tried to educate myself
38:55this is natasha talking to teach myself
38:58skills and to learn how to knit
39:00for example so yeah um
39:04crazy thing this part
39:08pisses me off after the police talk to
39:11her and everything and they find out
39:13you know that it's wolfgang and
39:18he realized that she was gone
39:21after you know a while and he was like
39:24he basically
39:25obviously i don't know because we don't
39:27really know what was going through his
39:28head but he obviously knew he was fist
39:29and get caught
39:30yeah so he walks or drives or walks i
39:34think he drives to a train station
39:35nearby
39:36uh goes out on the train tracks lays
39:38down and a train comes and cuts his head
39:40off
39:41so he commits suicide one [ __ ] what a
39:44douchebag
39:46yeah he commits suicide um
39:49so he never got his uh just
39:53she never got her gesture she never got
39:55her justice he never got his
39:57uh i don't know what i'm trying to say
40:00but
40:00i know what you're trying to say but i
40:01can't think of the word
40:04but anyways so i just thought that was
40:05that was shitty but um
40:08so after all that after
40:11he commits suicide she's you know
40:14finally reunited with her mom and
40:16everything then the media
40:18starts saying a bunch of
40:21just crap they started saying that she
40:26was of course she had stockholm syndrome
40:28they started saying that she was
40:30in a prostitution ring or that she was
40:34yeah i don't understand i don't know she
40:36just said that the media
40:37like did they twist her words or did
40:39they just not interview her and so
40:41and they were like yeah sounds like a
40:43sex a sounds like a
40:45sexual ring and it ended up and that
40:47just no
40:48i'm just i hate the media period
40:52yeah um so
40:55she after that after the media kind of
40:58treated her like crap
40:59and didn't really ever want to listen to
41:02her story
41:03she just said that that was why she
41:04never came out with
41:07all the things that happened to her and
41:08i don't blame her i mean
41:11i would do the same thing because
41:14it was probably hard for her to tell
41:16every detail
41:18of stuff that he made her do
41:21um there's several books about this um
41:24abduction there's several movies or
41:27documentaries films things like that
41:30um but the recent one that people on
41:33take top have been talking about
41:35is the 3096
41:38days because that's how long she was in
41:40captivity
41:41yeah um so yeah that is the story
41:46of natasha campus and
41:49how she survived eight years of being in
41:52captivity
41:53um by this man who sounds like he had
41:58mommy issues
41:59and needed to be a dominant to someone
42:03which i'm like you know get a dom i mean
42:06get a submissive
42:09i'm sure you could have found one
42:10somewhere out there um
42:12usually guys that have daddy issues i
42:14mean mommy issues
42:16daddy issues more like they're more
42:19crying and stuff but like mommy issues
42:23most of the time they're gonna be really
42:25tough like i'm a tough guy
42:27well she said this is crazy to me she
42:30said that um
42:32she forgave him every time he would do
42:35something
42:36to her sexually or
42:40you know physically or something like
42:41that she said she would forgive him
42:43because
42:44she said that she didn't want to hold on
42:46to that which i i get that
42:48but she also said that she kind of
42:50sympathized with him
42:52she said because she felt like he was
42:55sick
42:56she felt like and that's what she said
42:58in the interview she said i felt like he
42:59was sick
43:01and that's why he was doing what he was
43:02doing if he wasn't sick
43:04which obviously he was crazy yeah um if
43:07he wasn't
43:08you know sick or nothing like that he
43:10wouldn't have been doing what he was
43:11doing
43:12and um he was just trying to figure out
43:15a way to be better
43:16just like everybody else was and she's
43:19really smart
43:20yeah she's really smart so
43:23all that like even when she was 10 and
43:25she knew
43:26like i have to keep my clothes on
43:28because something's gonna happen
43:30and then her saying that that's really
43:31smart yeah and
43:33we don't really know when you know the
43:35sexual abuse started or anything like
43:37that but
43:38if he did wait until she was older
43:42um that's just really odd to me yeah
43:45you know and maybe that's maybe that's
43:48why she said that he
43:49she felt like he was battling demons as
43:52well
43:52because maybe i don't know we don't have
43:56a clue
43:56i feel like maybe it sounds like he
43:58tried but he couldn't you know what i
43:59mean yeah
44:00it just sounds like he was really
44:01insecure and he thought yeah i'm not
44:03gonna get anybody who's gonna
44:05follow my every command yeah yeah
44:09but he was still an ass and he shouldn't
44:11have done what he did
44:13um he was a weirdo for sure because
44:17he even looks really weird yeah he looks
44:19he looks really weird
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