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0:00I went to Antalya with 50 lira in my
0:02pocket. What was I going to do? I was
0:04going to start a company that provided
0:06staff to hotels. Consulting, human
0:07resources, subcontracting. As they call
0:10it there, an "extras" company. I stayed
0:13for two days. After sleeping on
0:14Cleopatra Beach and in Cartta Curt,
0:16there's a tea garden there. It's still
0:17there. I went and sat down. I called
0:19the waiter. I said, "Brother, I need
0:22someone who loves money." He said, "Sir
0:26, there's someone, he'll come, I'll let
0:28you know." I said, "Okay, I have 50
0:31lira, bring me tea until it's finished.
0:33" Tea was only 20 lira anyway. Two cups
0:34of tea. Thankfully, the kid didn't even
0:36take the money. An hour later, he said,
0:38"Sir, he's here." We sat down. I
0:41explained the situation. I said, "
0:44You'll make great money, but in six
0:45months, the office and the car will be
0:47mine. You'll get your money and leave."
0:50He agreed. We started as partners. At
0:58the same time, I called my other
1:00partner from Ankara. I said, "Come on,
1:02let's start the project." He didn't
1:03have any money either. He was also
1:05finished. We're a family of complete
1:06failures, you know. He had a real
1:09estate office. I immediately hired
1:12employees. I hired two female employees
1:14. I told them, "You'll call hotels.
1:17You'll arrange meetings with human
1:19resources and managers. I'll go and
1:22meet with them too. I'll market myself.
1:24I'll explain the job." It was right
1:25around the time the Russian plane
1:27crashed. Tourism was in turmoil, and
1:30hotels weren't hiring their own staff.
1:32They were trying to get by with
1:35temporary workers from outside. I did
1:38some research, and it worked. Then we
1:42secured the first hotel. We agreed on
1:4567 lira a day, 67.75. I can remember
1:50the past because of the medication.
1:5267.75 was the daily rate for one
1:54employee. That included insurance and
1:57our profit. We started with just 12
2:01employees. We increased it over time.
2:04Then came the second hotel, the third
2:06hotel, and so on. We gave that
2:08profit-sharing partner his share of the
2:09profit. We bought his office. He also
2:12had a car. We bought his car too. He
2:13received all his money legally and
2:15officially. He left the partnership.
2:17The profit-sharing. Because he made
2:18good money from us. We finished the
2:21season. What did we have? A car, an
2:23office. Great. Everything was great. We
2:26returned to Ankara. Brother, our
2:27families are here. My mother and sister
2:29are here. His family is here. We said,
2:32let's do this in Ankara too. We saw
2:35that these kinds of things happen in
2:37hotels, for New Year's Eve and
2:39Valentine's Day. We went out and
2:41contacted hotels. We started. We
2:43immediately secured hotels. We got
2:45through the winter nicely, without
2:47going broke. In February, we went into
2:50tourism. We needed to open the season.
2:52Because in April and March, there's the
2:55Iranian Nowruz. They flock to Antalya.
2:59Since the hotels aren't fully open,
3:02they're opening them with outsourced
3:04staff. So, when you get into tourism,
3:07you learn everything, my friends. We
3:11went and made a deal with a very nice
3:13hotel. Specifically, with the cleaning
3:15department, we had a lump-sum contract
3:17with materials. We provided the
3:19cleaning supplies–soap, slippers,
3:22everything. The first month went well;
3:28we worked hard and received our
3:28payments. We issued our invoice on the
3:295th of the month. We paid the staff,
3:31made our social security contributions,
3:32and issued invoices with withholding
3:33tax. Because we issued invoices with
3:36withholding tax, we don't have any VAT
3:37issues. A withholding tax invoice means
3:41I issue you an invoice, and you pay the
3:44rest. I only pay 1%to the government.
3:47So there's no question of VAT evasion
3:50or accumulating tax debt. There's only
3:53one nuance: because we agreed on a
3:55lump-sum contract, we receive invoices
3:58for materials–cleaning supplies, soap
4:00, slippers, etc. Anyway, I've already
4:02explained all this. The first month, we
4:05received our money, it was good. The
4:07second month, we completed the 350-
4:08person staff. Everything was fine. We
4:10issued our invoice at the end of the
4:11month. It was the 5th of the month, and
4:13we hadn't received payment. We said we
4:14would get it. They said the accounting
4:16manager was abroad. We'll get it. We
4:19told the staff it would be a few days
4:21late. Okay, the 10th came and we still
4:22hadn't received it. We somehow managed
4:24to pay the staff's salaries on the 15th
4:26ourselves. We paid the insurance. We
4:30were left penniless. We thought, at
4:32least the employees are still working
4:33at the hotel. And on top of that, we
4:36bought supplies. The invoices are
4:38coming in. We need to pay them. We
4:40asked the companies for help. We
4:41couldn't get the money, it was stuck.
4:42We asked them to be patient for a while
4:44. They were patient. Then, at the end
4:47of the next month, we issued another
4:49invoice. We thought we'd get two out of
4:51five at once, and then we learned the
4:53hotel had gone bankrupt. You know how
4:57smart you are, right? Investigate, talk
4:59to the hotel staff, see how things are
5:01going. But because the business was
5:03doing so well, we succumbed to reckless
5:05abandon. We succumbed to greed. Call it
5:07what you will. You can even say it
5:09deserved to go bankrupt. We didn't get
5:13the money from the hotel. The hotel
5:14owner already sold it. He was Chechen.
5:16He handed over the hotel and left. Well
5:18, thankfully the hotel manager's
5:20signature is on the contracts. We had a
5:23meeting with him about this a few
5:24months ago. I was threatened. He tried
5:27to get me out of this situation by just
5:29paying my travel expenses. No. I'll
5:31take his house and cars too. A lawyer
5:34is handling it. Anyway, we went
5:37bankrupt, but we paid the staff. No
5:41staff member can say that their money
5:43is still owed. Maybe a couple of days '
5:45worth of UMY (Unemployment Insurance
5:46Fund) was left unpaid. I'm not sure,
5:48but other than that, no staff member
5:50has sued anyone. Thank God we went
5:54bankrupt. We had a debt of 1,200 for
5:57insurance. To pay the staff's salaries,
6:02we messed up our own records, sold the
6:04car. You name it, we went from 50 TL to
6:10-2.5-3 million. That's how our first
6:14bankruptcy happened. I'll tell you the
6:17consequences of the second bankruptcy
6:19at the end. I made that decision. I'm
6:21summarizing because we needed to get
6:22back on our feet after the second
6:24bankruptcy as well. Because we were
6:25burdened with debt. We said, let's find
6:28a financier. We went and did our
6:29research, and found a partner. We met a
6:32gentleman in Antalya who was building a
6:34hotel in Thailand. He said, "If you
6:37find a clean company, we can provide
6:39the staffing services for them. Get the
6:41necessary permits and everything.
6:43You'll be free, and so will I." Great.
6:45We went and got a loan from a financial
6:47institution at 60%interest. We managed
6:49to get it. We established a clean
6:50company. We started the business. At
6:54the same time, I also took on a
6:56subcontracting job in Antalya for a
6:58tourism company, at least to get the
7:01checks in advance, and I provided 3 or
7:035 staff members to a few hotels. My
7:06intention was that Thailand would
7:09finance Antalya. When we earned money
7:12from Antalya, when we earned money from
7:13Alanya, we could pay off the old debts
7:15and clear our accounts. The plan was
7:18brilliant, just like in the previous
7:19story. We initially got about 40%of our
7:23advance payment. We got the permits. We
7:25paid the staff advances, etc. Plane
7:27tickets and everything. The work
7:29started, man. For almost three months,
7:31the Thai government halted the hotel
7:33construction. We returned empty-handed.
7:37We sat down with the gentleman. He gave
7:39us a check. What were we going to do
7:40with the check? There were salaries for
7:42the staff, money, and daily expenses. I
7:44somehow financed it from Antalya. It
7:46turned out the other way around.
7:47Normally, Thailand was supposed to
7:48finance it. I financed Thailand. He
7:52gave us a check, and it's still there.
7:55As a side note, let me share this: He
7:57passed away, but his son is continuing
7:58the business. In this form
8:00investigation, his accounts have been
8:02blocked. I'm waiting for him to be
8:04arrested. When he's arrested, I'll
8:05process the check. Because nobody
8:07processed the check back then. When
8:09people saw the check, they said, "Let's
8:11not get involved in this." We couldn't
8:12find a single courageous person. The
8:14check is still there. Maybe we can
8:18collect it with interest. And I'll get
8:19rid of that check. The check's due date
8:23arrived. Yes, we couldn't cash the
8:25check. We couldn't print it or process
8:28it. We still paid the employees working
8:31in Thailand and Antalya somehow. Did
8:33the second company also get involved
8:36with the debts? We ended up with debts
8:38of 2.5-3 million. We just kept looking
8:41back at our backsides. Then the
8:44pandemic came. Before the pandemic, we
8:49were thinking, "Let's make another move
8:50," but we were constantly watching TV.
8:53We were messaging each other with our
8:54partner. "Look, the pandemic is coming,
8:56masks, this, that? Like antiseptic,
8:58hand soap? Let's do something, let's
9:00get something done." Because one
9:01company was in my name and the other in
9:03his, it got involved with both of us.
9:07Anyway, I had a friend, we ordered a
9:09container of masks from him. It was
9:12already ready before anything even
9:14arrived here. At the same time, we said
9:16, "Crises are passing us by. We are a
9:18tourism country. The pandemic will also
9:20pass us by in tourism." So, let's rent
9:24a hotel from someone we know. We rented
9:26a hotel. The hotel had an electricity
9:28bill, around 400-500,000 lira. We went
9:30and arranged for it to be paid in
9:30installments. We somehow found the
9:31first installment. Again, by borrowing
9:33money with interest. The hotel needed
9:37construction to open initially. We
9:38immediately started another company to
9:40hire staff. Of course, we started their
9:43insurance. We were doing the
9:46construction, landscaping, etc., and
9:48then the pandemic hit our country. The
9:52hotel went downhill. We sold the masks
9:56we had, but it was useless. We rushed
10:00to sell them. If we had waited 45
10:01months, we could have sold them for
10:03five times the price. Maybe that would
10:04have saved us somehow. In short, that
10:08was my business life, with three failed
10:10, beautifully planned but ultimately
10:13unsuccessful ventures. So what were the
10:16consequences of all this? This first
10:19company was under my name. 2016. You
10:21remember, we did a lump-sum method, and
10:24we received invoices for materials from
10:26outside. These invoices turned out to
10:28be fake. The tax office called us. We
10:30went, I went. We got them issued. But
10:34for them to become official, the tax
10:36returns from that period needed to be
10:37corrected, and those amounts needed to
10:39be paid. We couldn't pay. We became
10:42labeled as fake invoice issuers, and
10:43Erkan was sued for violating the law. I
10:45received a prison sentence of 3 years,
10:4610 months, and 20 days for violating
10:48the law, along with Erkan. That is,
10:50even though I didn't issue a VAT
10:52invoice myself, they claimed we had
10:54unjustly profited something like 32,000
10:56or 35,000 Turkish Lira. That's why I
10:58received the sentence. We appealed, but
11:00it was overturned. They hastily
11:03summoned me to a police station, saying
11:04I needed to give a statement. I hadn't
11:06even followed up on the appeal. They
11:09took me to Sincan Closed Prison, where
11:11I was supposed to be in and out of jail
11:12because the crime date was old. Of
11:14course, since we hadn't declared the
11:16accounting records, the files for the
11:18two crimes got mixed up. I spent about
11:2033 days in Sincan Closed Prison. Then
11:23my time in Sincan Closed Prison ended.
11:26I was supposed to be transferred to an
11:27open prison to complete my sentence. I
11:28was transferred to an open prison, and
11:30on the second day, they kicked me out.
11:32Thankfully, my lawyer friend had
11:33written a petition. They finally
11:35admitted there had been a mistake. They
11:36understood the error and kicked me out
11:38in the middle of the night. Anyway, the
11:41next day we went to the prosecutor's
11:42office again. I asked, "How can this
11:43mistake be corrected?" He said, "Go to
11:44a small place and surrender. The
11:46paperwork will arrive immediately. You
11:49can complete the registration process."
11:50This time, I went to my hometown,
11:52Amasya, to Merzfon. I stayed there for
11:55a week, at home. No one came or went. I
11:57went and surrendered myself. I said, "
11:59Is there a warrant out for my arrest?"
12:01They said, "Okay." The men were
12:02surprised. I said, "Sir, the mistake
12:04needs to be corrected. I need to get my
12:05life back on track." So, I went to
12:08Amasya Closed Prison. There, I was on
12:10probation for 9 days. I waited 9 days.
12:13You go before the board, they ask how
12:16many times you've been to the
12:18psychologist, and so on. Anyway, I was
12:21released from probation. 4 days a week,
12:24initially 3 months and 4 days a week,
12:25signing in. Even though I wasn't
12:27insured, it was 5 hours a day, and I
12:30was working without pay. Of course, if
12:33I did that, how was I going to support
12:34myself? That was the problem. Debts
12:36were piling up behind me. I said, "Let
12:39me continue my life in my hometown
12:41first." I found a job there, but
12:43because of the wage garnishment, it was
12:45a small place. Well, they couldn't keep
12:47me there for long. They didn't let me
12:49stay, and rightly so. They sent me back
12:52to Ankara. Here, I found a job as a
12:55water carrier. I brought my father's
12:59old car here. I couldn't afford to buy
13:01a new car. Thankfully, Ömer abi helped
13:03me. He made me a water carrier. After
13:06that, the car broke down repeatedly. It
13:08overheated. I mean, if the car was
13:10worth 100,000 lira, I spent at least
13:12500,000 lira on parts, folks. But I
13:14couldn't afford to replace it. I still
13:16can't. Now, let's talk about the
13:20psychological trauma during this
13:21process. I cut myself a lot. I cut my
13:26wrists once in Antalya. I threw myself
13:29in front of cars in Kızılay. It
13:31didn't work. It's not working. God
13:34doesn't kill those He doesn't intend to
13:35kill. They kept me in a psychiatric
13:38ward for a week. I was there as a guest
13:41to improve my mental state. You know,
13:44medication and all that, in a clean
13:46room, alone, far from everything. It
13:49wasn't recorded in my medical history.
13:50Actually, it was bad that it wasn't
13:51processed. Because when I went to
13:53prison, I said I was taking medication.
13:56They said, "No, there's nothing like
13:58that on your pulse." Because when you
14:00go to prison, your record shows up
14:02there. The doctors there can check
14:04everything. They said, "No, you've only
14:06had a gastric sleeve operation. Let's
14:08give you a blood thinner for that."
14:10They said, "Continue." So I continued
14:13with blood thinners in prison. And of
14:17course, before I started working, I had
14:19various jobs. You know, I'm a cost
14:23accounting clerk. I'm a junior
14:25accountant. I'm a sales and marketing
14:27clerk, basically I try to do everything
14:28. You could say I'm a person who tries
14:29to do everything. But I can never
14:32settle down in the places I work.
14:34Because I get too possessive. For
14:36example, if my shift starts at 9 am and
14:38ends at 6 pm, I go in at 7 pm. I leave
14:41at 12 am. Even though I'm an accountant
14:43, I clean toilets. I serve customers. I
14:46do every job that's not even my
14:48responsibility. When I don't do it, or
14:50when I do it and then don't do it again
14:53, I naturally get reactions from people
14:55and get fired. I'm a donkey. As you
14:58know, since I'm from Merzfon, Merzfon's
15:00donkeys are famous. I swallowed it
15:03again. Now you'll say something again.
15:04Anyway, it doesn't matter, I need to
15:05swallow it. I'm telling you all this in
15:07one go. I mean, I don't have anything
15:09to do anymore. You know, cut, shape,
15:10divide. No, I'm an amateur. To put it
15:15simply, the total amount of my debt is
15:174, 4.5 million, let's say 5 million.
15:20But because of the interest, the 3.7%
15:22monthly public interest kept
15:23accumulating, it reached 10 million. So
15:25how did we reduce it? There were blocks
15:28on our bank account. These were offset,
15:30it was reduced. Two unfair penalties
15:32were imposed. We appealed them. Those
15:34penalties were waived, it was reduced.
15:36We had a court case in 189, concerning
15:38the other company. For that, we had to
15:41pay 358,000 TL. We paid that. 358,000
15:44TL was automatically deducted from
15:45there as well. He threw it in the oven
15:47too. The indictment was sent back.
15:49Hopefully, I'll get acquitted there.
15:51And the other company is currently in
15:52the appeals court. I'm praying it
15:54doesn't come up until March. Because my
15:55audit will end in March. If it comes up
15:57after the audit, I'll have to do
15:58another entry and exit process.
16:00Otherwise, if it comes up while I'm
16:02under audit, it will be a repetition, a
16:04duplicate charge. I think I'll be in
16:06jail for about 35 months. Well, I'm
16:08living a hard life. You're all living
16:10hard lives, but I'm not living hard
16:12because of my debt. I'm living a hard
16:14life, hard times, because of life
16:16itself. Because I'm under audit,
16:18everyone is trying to hit me on the
16:20back. They think I won't speak up. But
16:22I'm speaking up now. I'm losing my
16:24temper. Yes. I've been homeless for a
16:26long time. I've collected cigarette
16:28butts from many places. I've collected
16:29a lot of dry bread. Right now I'm
16:32living in a rented house. What am I
16:34going to do with a 30,000 or 1,000 lira
16:35house? I'll pay it off somehow, I'm
16:37trying to pay it off. I opened a
16:39sausage shop for 150,000 lira. Due to
16:42setbacks, the shop is still not active.
16:45I'm trying to get it active. I said I
16:48wasn't going to ask them to be partners
16:50. Well, we're still in talks with a
16:53couple of friends, but of course they
16:55don't trust me. The point isn't this:
16:58if I hadn't said I had 10 million in
17:00debt, maybe everyone could have trusted
17:03me more easily. I can market myself.
17:06Because, apart from that, I pay off my
17:08debts to the people I borrowed 5,000 or
17:1010,000,000 liras from, as much as I can
17:12. They know that. It's just that when
17:13the debts are large, I have to pay them
17:15off in installments. For example, from
17:17my previous place, we borrowed almost
17:19200,000 liras, including lawyer fees
17:21and so on. Last month we paid off about
17:2420,000 liras. This month we were going
17:26to pay another 20,000 liras. Things got
17:28tough. I can't pay it now. I mean,
17:30whatever he does, he can come and shoot
17:32me. He wants my car. If I give him the
17:35car, I won't be able to do any business
17:37. How did we open the shop? He's a very
17:39old friend of mine. E 100 took out a
17:41loan of 110,000 L. with monthly
17:43payments of 15,000 L. It was the first
17:45time someone had taken out a loan in my
17:47name. I somehow managed to pay the rest
17:49off and open the shop, but now I can't
17:51run it. These are current issues anyway
17:55. Let's get back to the cautionary tale
17:56. This is my cautionary tale. I'm not
17:58telling this so that I can be an
17:59example to others. I'm telling it so
18:01that you can learn from it. I'm telling
18:02it so that you can learn from it. If
18:02you don't have anything in your pocket,
18:05don't start any business with a plan.
18:07Especially in this period, don't take
18:08out a loan to start a business. I did.
18:10I had to. If you don't have such a
18:12necessity, don't do it. Some friends
18:16say, "Go back to your father's house,
18:17your hometown, downsize." They say, "I
18:22only have a salary of 7,000 L. I'm
18:25going to get 28,000 L. 7,000 L gone.
18:29Only 2,000 L will remain.""There's
18:3221,000,000 lira, and 20,000 lira for
18:33rent, my father's finances are already
18:34ruined. He has a pension, but he has
18:36his own debts, his own expenses. So,
18:38that's the situation. Do you think I
18:39haven't considered every possibility?
18:41I've considered every possibility.
18:43Every possibility leads back to this.
18:45What really devastated me was losing my
18:47mother. Let me tell you that too. She
18:49passed away on October 11, 2021. I was
18:52only able to have her grave built this
18:54year. I was able to have it built last
18:56month. You know, you provided the water
18:57, thank you. I had her grave built this
19:00year, thanks to you and also thanks to
19:03my brother Kenan, who provided a lot of
19:06support. I send my regards to him again
19:09from here. There are people trying to
19:11help. I try not to disappoint them, but
19:14I have nervous breakdowns. I had a
19:17nervous breakdown the other day. I had
19:20another one last night. My phone
19:22shattered. I broke the car window. The
19:25car window cracked, etc. All of that
19:29will be fixed." So, the question you
19:31asked most often was, "How did you get
19:33into debt of 10 million?" I got into
19:35debt of 10 million like this and that.
19:36They ruined me. You could say I went
19:41bankrupt because of my own stupidity.
19:43But it's not about the money. We're
19:46solving the money problem somehow. So,
19:47regarding this water business...when I
19:50was explaining it, the water suppliers
19:52threatened me. You're talking about our
19:54income. They say, "You're making 100
19:55lira from a bottle, but that 100 lira
19:57isn't yours." Everyone knows that.
19:59Don't worry. There's shop rent, fuel,
20:01vehicle expenses, depreciation. There's
20:03so much going on. Your profit is 30
20:05lira. Everyone knows that 30 lira. They
20:08tell me, "I'm sharing a price list
20:10right now. Water is so expensive." I
20:12say, "In the market, one five-liter
20:13bottle is 36 lira, you buy two for 72
20:16lira. I bring it to your door for 90
20:17lira. That's even too little, I'm
20:19burning fuel, fuel is 90 lira now. My
20:21car is wearing out." I'm wearing myself
20:24out. Everything happens, you know.
20:25Let's be fair for a change. I'm not
20:28speaking here as an employer. I'm
20:30speaking as a citizen, just like you.
20:33Why am I on social media? I'm on social
20:35media because I believe one door will
20:36open another. And I believe one door
20:37will open another. And I've written a
20:41show. I've written a show that will
20:43tell these stories in their entirety,
20:45in all their detail. It will last, I
20:47estimate, 60-70 minutes. I'll try it in
20:51Ankara. If I can find a venue, I'll let
20:53you know. I'll make the tickets around
20:55100-150-200 lira. We'll get to know
20:57each other, and I'll listen to your
20:59debts, I'll tell you about them. I have
21:02the courage to face you. Maybe someone
21:06will say, "Come on brother, let us
21:08support you. Tell us about your show,
21:10maybe it will be useful." Like the
21:12handsome mussel seller, the charismatic
21:15corn seller, then the marginal sausage
21:17seller. Why not? Right? I don't want
21:20someone to come and pay my debts. I'll
21:22handle it myself. I always say the
21:25greatest capital is oneself. Don't give
21:28me fish. Don't teach me how to fish
21:30either. I'd just appreciate it if you
21:32could provide me with that opportunity
21:34a little. Thankfully, my brothers who
21:36are also struggling like me are
21:37supporting me. May God bless them all.
21:40We said we were doing charity water.
21:41You insulted my mother. Now I'm still
21:42doing charity water, but I'm not
21:43announcing it to you. I only contact
21:45those who write privately; my phone
21:47number is everywhere. I try to talk to
21:49those who call. I try to listen to your
21:53problems as well as my own. I don't
21:55give advice to those who ask for it as
21:56much as possible. Because you see my
21:58situation. I'm not in a position to
22:00give advice anyway. When you try to
22:02give me advice, I take it seriously. Of
22:04course, regarding those who cursed,
22:06people say, "Substitute them, that's
22:08actually logical," but I won't get into
22:11that either. Forget it, screw it.
22:14There's death tomorrow anyway. Nothing
22:16really matters. That's the summary of
22:20this cautionary tale, friends. There
22:22are also videos from very old times,
22:23numbered 1, 2, and 3. I'm also saying
22:25this because I'm a newcomer to our
22:26community, and my YouTube channel is
22:28growing rapidly. So, people can get to
22:30know me from here too. And since
22:32Instagram is also growing, they can get
22:34to know me there as well, so we don't
22:35have to answer the same questions over
22:37and over again. So you don't get bored,
22:40and neither do I. I'm in a struggle for
22:42life, and I'm showing you that. If you
22:45learn from me, I'll be happy. We have
22:48nothing left to lose, but we have a
22:51life to gain. You are loved. May God
22:54protect you. See you. Home.

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