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0:06well Nando PR I want to welcome you to
0:08um our archive series here at the at the
0:10Mountain film festival I'm thrilled to
0:12be able to have this conversation with
0:13you I'm I'm thrilled to be here because
0:15B the the film festival and the Book
0:17Festival have uh they have always been
0:20on my mind so I I wanted to come
0:23everything happens if you wait long
0:24enough everything does happen if you
0:26wait long enough yes and just on the way
0:27over here you were mentioning you've
0:28actually been in this area or near near
0:30here anyways because of course you spent
0:32quite a number of months during the
0:33filming of when the filming of alive
0:35took place in the Panorama ski resort I
0:38spent like four months in the area so I
0:41I learned how to enjoy the mountains and
0:44how to love this
0:45beautiful part of the world no this part
0:47of Canada the west coast is absolutely
0:50beautiful well I I wanted to start just
0:52um bringing up one of the things that
0:54you had mentioned um towards the end of
0:56uh your recent book miracle in the Andes
1:00in which you say that um the very first
1:02time that you gave a a talk to a a
1:04corporate group helping motivate people
1:07you said um I should not be here I
1:10should be dead on a glacier in the Andes
1:12and it it just strikes me that that's
1:13probably something you could say about
1:14every single day of your life right now
1:17yeah it's something I don't
1:20intentionally think about it but it's
1:23people ask me do you really think every
1:25day about what happened to you I don't
1:27think every day but I think that I'm
1:29alive every every day so in a way I
1:32think you know yeah and the the first
1:35time I I spoke about this ordeal was 22
1:39years after after the plane crashed you
1:41know I was very busy doing other things
1:44so it wasn't so much that you couldn't
1:45speak about it or didn't choose to speak
1:47about no I I chose not to speak because
1:49I didn't have time I was I had the
1:51chance to live my my life
1:54again and uh I think you should live
1:56your life no so I started working and
1:59doing my sports my family my friends my
2:01dogs everything MH well one of the other
2:04things that you said in the book that
2:05really struck me was the idea that you
2:07um you're at peace in your life now not
2:10in spite of what happened but rather
2:13because of it can you tell me a bit more
2:14of what you meant by
2:16that I don't know uh I don't know if
2:19people has they have to go through
2:21things like limit situations to
2:24understand that the most simple things
2:25are the the most valuable ones but
2:28everybody that goes through something
2:29like that can it be a disaster a tragedy
2:34a family loss sickness then suddenly
2:37they realize that they are at peace with
2:38themselves because they don't search
2:40anymore for something that they nobody
2:42knows what you're searching and always
2:44running behind something no MH you're
2:47running behind power money uh women
2:50whatever but you're always running you
2:51know and when something happens you
2:53realize Jesus I have to slow down
2:55instead of running mhm and uh and
2:59luckily I found it uh in a very horrible
3:04way because the the the weight of the
3:06loss of my family members and my friends
3:09was very very big know but it's
3:12interesting I don't know if I was if I
3:14would prefer to be at peace now or with
3:19my friends and my family you know and
3:21not at peace yeah although you certainly
3:23have also said that you in many ways you
3:25wouldn't have traded what happened to
3:27you despite the loss or perhaps because
3:31it's a
3:32balance and it's this is my life with
3:36the acccident I mean I cannot pretend it
3:38didn't happen MH and because of the
3:41accident my life changed it took another
3:44route another road and because I took
3:46that road I found a woman I married and
3:49I have a family
3:52so if the accident didn't happen I
3:54wouldn't have my daughters my family so
3:56it's a balance which I I don't even want
3:58to consider right you know I just live
4:01my life would I change what I had before
4:03for what I have now it's it's impossible
4:06to to weigh that on a on a scale so I
4:11just enjoy what I have it's fascinating
4:13though you know because I I
4:15hear a lot of people that have gone
4:17through really difficult circumstances
4:19tragedies like that seem to have become
4:22a lot more philosophically settled about
4:25some of those kinds of ideas whereas
4:27other people they don't have to worry
4:28about things like that so much I don't
4:29know if it's philosophical I think it's
4:32you find that life is simpler than it
4:34tends to be you know people tend to for
4:37me this table is black you know you're
4:39wearing a green shirt we are doing an
4:41interview here and I crashed on an
4:43airplane why I don't know I mean car
4:46crashes usually you have a car crash on
4:48a corner on a road and they crash I
4:51crash with an airplane and uh we
4:53survived something that's not surviv
4:56survivable and I have been given the
4:59chance to live again so I don't know if
5:02it's philosophical I think it's simpler
5:03to enjoy every day enjoy the people you
5:06have around and uh not run behind things
5:10that you'll never get you know because
5:13you're always running I was always
5:14running and sometimes when I'm still
5:16running some days I say Nando stop
5:19remember you know put the handbrake and
5:20slow down and yet as as human beings
5:24were prone to trying to find meaning in
5:27things and to second guess things and I
5:28know in the in your book you've done you
5:30know in a sense you do a lot of that you
5:32sort through how natural it was to say
5:34what if we hadn't done this and what if
5:36we hadn't put pressure on the pilots
5:37that day and what if we hadn't booked
5:39that flight and all those kinds of
5:40things yeah well everybody asks
5:43questions but um there are one of the
5:47most important truths I have ever found
5:51in my life is that there are questions
5:54that will never have an answer you know
5:56you keep looking for answers you keep
5:58looking for answers but they're never
6:00there why did I invite my mother to go
6:03on that airplane crash and my on that
6:05airplane flight with my sister why yeah
6:09I don't know and so is part of what
6:12you're saying that in the end it doesn't
6:13really matter it's not you don't have to
6:15look for answers for that just just
6:17accept whates I think you you just have
6:18to accept what life brings and uh enjoy
6:20it and people say why did this happened
6:23to me why
6:26not but I think that our our or deal or
6:31our experience is a little bit different
6:33to what happens to mountain climbers
6:37when something goes wrong they know the
6:40risks they know that something can go
6:42wrong and they accept the risks and they
6:45buy in into it from the beginning it's
6:46their choice to be there it's their
6:48choice to be there and we were Beach
6:52Boys not from the mountains we had never
6:54seen snow before in our lives 95% of the
6:56boys had never touched snow in their
6:58lives so we were dropped into a
7:02glacier and we had to survive which is
7:05different that when a mountain climber
7:07goes and something goes wrong MH I'm a
7:10race car driver I race a lot and I
7:13assume that something can go wrong but I
7:17if I crash well it's my choice I mean
7:20maybe I made a mistake there was oil on
7:22the track another guy made a mistake in
7:24front of me but it's part of the rules
7:26of the game I know if you go to climb
7:28there can be an ban weather
7:32storms uh your teammate can fail but
7:35those are part of of climbing no do you
7:39think you came to different kinds of
7:40conclusions or or saw yourself doing
7:42things differently than other people
7:43though because it seems like your
7:46approach has been a pretty good one
7:47whereas some some of the other people um
7:50that were involved in the accident had
7:52different ways of looking at things and
7:53I'm thinking particularly about faith
7:55and and a belief in that there's a
7:57protection coming from God or that
7:58something is is going to be pre-ordained
8:00I think that if we we would or I would
8:03or we would or they would have found a a
8:07fantastic answer to all the religion
8:10questions we would be very wise and we
8:12would have discovered the the meaning of
8:14life and the meaning of the universe and
8:15the meaning of infinite and the meaning
8:17of God but we just I think we dealt with
8:21that uh with more time than usually
8:25people devote to that theme Here There
8:28we were trapped for for 72 days and
8:30every single day we talked about our
8:32families and about religion because what
8:35do you do there there you cannot go for
8:37a walk or for a stroll on the park
8:40you're trapped inside a fuselage at
8:4212,000 ft so there was a great guy ruro
8:47who he liked to read about theology so
8:51we had a lot of discussions about
8:53Theology and he died and he knew he was
8:55dying
8:56and he put us to a test he says I'm
8:59dying I'm going to get closer to God but
9:02you know sometimes I doubt that he
9:05exists and the only thing that I'm sure
9:10of he says he said is that I'm doubting
9:13without
9:14guilt you know because here
9:18in on Society on you know when you go to
9:21church when you do things everything is
9:24penalized you know
9:26everything you sin you're uh punished by
9:31religion you know because you do that
9:32you do that and you have to believe
9:34believe because of faith and that's all
9:37that religion asks you to to believe
9:39because of your faith and I think we
9:41went a a small step further up there
9:45trying to understand why God saved some
9:50guys and not other guys they prayed as
9:52much as we did yeah you know they wanted
9:55to live and they fought as much as we
9:57did my mother wanted to leave my sister
10:00too Guido my best friend Panchito Alexis
10:02Koko they wanted to live and they prayed
10:04as much he answered my phone and not
10:07their
10:08phone who can explain that you know and
10:12then the simple fact that you were there
10:13in the first place is is a question of
10:15for some people would be a question of
10:17Faith as well how could God do this to
10:18me how could it why would be trash I
10:20think that bad things happen in life as
10:23you know life is like a pzle with a
10:28thousand pieces or millions of pieces
10:30and you have nice pieces ugly ones
10:33average ones you know and some bad ones
10:36also and that's part of life I think uh
10:40life is something that everybody wants
10:42to be absolutely perfect and nice all
10:45the time sometimes it has
10:49cracks one of the interesting things
10:50about the experience that you had of
10:52course was that you in many senses you
10:53were also children I mean you were still
10:55you were still pretty young man at K was
10:5717 you know yeah I think the average age
11:00was 18 and a half 18 and not even 19
11:05and when you're that age nothing can
11:09happen to
11:10you you're Immortal you know Sports
11:14studies
11:16girls studies sports girls you know
11:18that's all that exists and for a lot of
11:21people that shows itself in in teenagers
11:23being very very self-centered that
11:25everything is about what happens to them
11:27and why it happens to them
11:30um I imagine it must have been hard not
11:33to feel like somehow this was about you
11:35that that somehow you know why why would
11:37this have happened to you it's back to
11:39my other question but how did you
11:40challenge that how did you get past that
11:44especially you because you you lost more
11:47people more directly than anybody else
11:49on that plane did yes all the other guys
11:51were there and they were suffering the
11:53consequences of being stranded abandoned
11:57left to die you know you know the same
12:00that I was suffering plus I had to bury
12:03my mother and my sister and my best
12:04friends with my hands on the on the eyes
12:07so I think
12:09that the fact that your mind changes its
12:15wavelength over there because it's not
12:18the same feelings the same way that you
12:22think here that you're thinking there
12:24instantly Everything Changes Everything
12:26Changes in a in a way that I even now
12:30uh confuses me a lot because I couldn't
12:32cry as I say in my conferences why
12:34couldn't I
12:36cry and uh that voice which I say it's
12:40instinct told me not to
12:43cry and I had to cope with the situation
12:47and I said as soon as the sorrow goes
12:50away I I'll have to keep on fighting to
12:52get back to my father I can't allow this
12:56sorrow to overcome my capacity of
12:59thinking you know
13:02and it amazes me a lot of times how can
13:05you be so
13:06cold at those moments you know and I'm
13:11not a psychiatrist I'm not a
13:14psychologist I'm not a shrink I don't
13:15know but something happens in your mind
13:18that the instinct to survive overrides
13:21the
13:22feelings because if you slow down if you
13:25stop you're dead absolutely dead I think
13:27you you change
13:30your brain adopts
13:32another type of thinking and you in a
13:36way you're simpler you're just like an
13:38animal surviving on Instinct you know
13:40you cannot stop to to
13:42suffer
13:44and yet at the same time you set up an
13:47incredibly complicated social structure
13:49when you were there I mean people played
13:50very different roles or were very
13:52different levels of emotion people who
13:55are stronger people who are weaker
13:57people who have to do things people who
13:58would rather sit back and wait did that
14:00just kind of fall into place do you
14:02think I think it everything F fell into
14:05place
14:06perfectly um we were a fantastic team 10
14:10years before the plane
14:12crashed and I don't know if that seen
14:15from the outside but we knew each other
14:18at least 12 years 13 years before the
14:22plane crashed we had been playing rugby
14:25in the same school for 10 or 12 years
14:28together yeah uh playing soccer first
14:30when you're young you know when you're
14:32seven 8 nine you play soccer then you go
14:34into rugby and we had been playing rugby
14:36for 10 nine 10 years together and the
14:40rugby is also something that's a big
14:44part of the social structure of our
14:46community you live a very nice teenage
14:50part of your life there with rugby and
14:52rugby is a sport that tends
14:54to make you
14:57very give a very tight friendship ship
14:59to your friends because you you you
15:00suffer and you fight a lot on on the
15:02field mhm and the fact that we were team
15:06allowed us to be a
15:09team even minutes after the plane
15:12crashed so it it really struck me as
15:14interesting that the positions on the
15:17field started playing themselves out on
15:20the glacier as well yeah and there was a
15:24fantastic guy Marcelo per Castillo he
15:26was the captain of the team
15:29a guy who was a strong player a
15:31fantastic Sportsman he was 21 22 years
15:35old I mean but he had such a great
15:38ability to lead you know on the field
15:41and outside the field he was a the
15:43perfect captain and uh he led us from
15:47the first instance after the crash he
15:50led the team all the way
15:53and according to the actions of some of
15:58the survivors and some or some of the
16:00guys that were in the crash the torch of
16:03leadership passed from hand to
16:06hand uh four five six times we had four
16:09five six different leaders all through
16:11the this ordeal and nobody wanted
16:14to be a leader just happened you know
16:18who wanted I always say who wanted to be
16:20the leader of a bunch of guys condemned
16:22to Die the most horrible death you can
16:27imagine that's interesting way to frame
16:30it just when you say that because
16:31there's in your book there're both
16:34elements of knowing that that could even
16:37be the likely outcome but absolutely
16:39refusing to believe that that's going to
16:40be the case and and you particularly
16:43knowing that one of the things you could
16:45not do is just sit there and wait I
16:48think that in a way uh I don't know why
16:52and it just happened to me when we
16:56listened on the 10th day that the search
16:58had being abandoned you know I saw what
17:01was going to happen you know immediately
17:04I said Jesus we are dead we are
17:06condemned we're going to die and this is
17:08going to be
17:09horrible you know imagine dying inside
17:13that fuselage you know of starvation
17:15cold fear what could happen this is
17:18going to be
17:19hell so I looked to the mountains and I
17:21said I'm going to die but I'll try to
17:24die
17:26um nobler or um
17:30if there's a better way to die you know
17:33I'm going to die but I'm going to die
17:34fighting trying to get out of here and
17:38that's what I instantly just happened to
17:40me seconds after I listen to that on the
17:43radio whereas for some several other
17:45people with you they just said no don't
17:48don't leave don't go it doesn't make any
17:49more sense it's no more noble to go no
17:53and that's why I always try to tell in
17:56my conferences that nobody knows the way
17:58they would react yeah and it's
18:00fascinating for the people to think how
18:02would I have reacted there you know
18:05and nobody knows nobody
18:08knows instantly I looked at the
18:11mountains but a few minutes later an
18:14intense
18:15fear caught me you know because I knew I
18:19was dying I knew there was no way
18:21out we didn't have had any food
18:24for four days already and the last food
18:27I had was a peanut one peanut you know
18:32and the cold The Thirst the hunger and
18:35now the confirmation that we were
18:37condemned to die that puts your mind in
18:40a in a different level puts your mind on
18:42a kind of stress that's very uncommon to
18:46find on on society nowadays you can lose
18:49your job your house can burn down you
18:52know you can crush your car you
18:55can you know break a leg but it's this
18:59is your dead yeah the choices that we
19:02make or the things that we face in life
19:04are often quite abstract now there's no
19:06relationship necessarily between what
19:08you do today and whether you live today
19:09but for you it it became very black and
19:11white very black and white yeah live or
19:13die including a very difficult decision
19:16to make about how you're going to feed
19:18yourselves
19:19yes and you know the or maybe not maybe
19:22not a difficult decision well not
19:24difficult for us it's I think it's a
19:27quite an interesting question or
19:30subject seen from the outside but on the
19:34global aspect of our
19:36survival if you have a circle that's
19:39just you know maybe 30% we had to deal
19:43with all the other 70% of of you know
19:47climate water
19:50cold uh thirst depression fear you get
19:55very afraid uh decision making and you
19:59have to decide when to go and how to go
20:01and where to go mhm it's like being
20:03dropped in the middle of the ocean and
20:05say okay which way do I swim you have to
20:07decide so that decision came very
20:11naturally I it's it
20:13just Falls in a slot and it's cluck
20:17Jesus that's the decision it's so
20:19naturally made that everybody started to
20:22think about it at the same moment but
20:25it's it's aren't some of the decisions
20:27that you had to make more moral
20:29decisions than other ones and doesn't
20:30that complicate them a little bit more
20:31no no not to me I mean maybe not
20:34everybody has the same character and the
20:36same
20:37personality but um I think I I was
20:42educated in a way
20:44that I always looked at the way my
20:48father reacted into some situations and
20:51he always told me you know things are
20:52black and white you know and he was not
20:56very religious he said okay if you need
20:59money you have to work if you are
21:01thirsty you have to drink water if you
21:03have to get there you have to walk or
21:05take a bus or drive the car you know he
21:08was a very simple man in his thoughts
21:11but very efficient you know don't look
21:13for things that don't exist so I said
21:16okay I have to
21:18eat I have to eat something and the only
21:22proteins that we have are the dead
21:23bodies of our
21:24friends and uh it's a thought that comes
21:28very very simply to your mind after
21:31remember not sitting here somebody
21:34watching this this tape you have been
21:36stranded on a glacia for 12 days you
21:39have
21:40been hoping for rescue which never came
21:44and then they answered by the radio that
21:46you were abandoned so now you're afraid
21:50thirsty freezing so hungry you cannot
21:54imagine
21:56desperate and you're going to die so at
21:58least let's do something yet you did
22:00draw the line at the bodies of your
22:02mother and your sister I didn't draw the
22:05line I said which is very difficult to
22:08put somebody in my mind at the
22:10moment when we started the track out
22:13which was a track that now I am alive
22:16now it's easy you know when you read the
22:18newspaper on the Mondays you know who
22:19won the game on Sunday MH no so I'm
22:22alive but when I started that track
22:24which was 50 miles across the whole
22:26Landes I never knew I was going to get
22:28there
22:2999% I thought I was going to die and I
22:32told the guys look if you have to do it
22:35you have to do it but I knew also that
22:39if that moment had come that would be
22:43the last that would be the hell the end
22:47you know there were those were the last
22:49two bodies what happens after that yeah
22:51what happens okay I'm gone they use the
22:54bodies of my mother and my sister and
22:56then what happens I'm not going to be
22:58there I'll be dead on a glacier but not
23:00there and maybe I saw the script of this
23:04story ending in that way I was not going
23:06to be there and maybe the script also
23:08includes you would you know by by making
23:11the decision to leave you also avoid the
23:13decision making of course I if I have to
23:16do that that's the end of the line yeah
23:19you know that's the end of line I what
23:22happens after that
23:24M there's no more future it's death
23:28immediately it's
23:30because we would be so weak at that time
23:35we would be walking carasses you know MH
23:38because that would be three or four
23:39weeks after maybe yeah three weeks
23:43later what would happen and so many of
23:47the decisions that you ended up having
23:49to make you build in in your story
23:51around family and and the uh another
23:54point that you make in the book quite
23:55strongly is your sense that the opposite
23:57of of death is love not life and that it
24:00really was your father as the other
24:03person in your family poll that that
24:04pulled you back to civilization again
24:07somehow that's the way that you decided
24:08to to keep moving can you tell us about
24:11that there were so many moments that I
24:13was so close to death you know the plane
24:16crashed I was knocked my head out the
24:18plane fell down the Avalanche you know
24:21so many things then we climbed all these
24:23mountains and I look to the west and we
24:24are at almost 18,000 177,000 ft and some
24:30and that's when I realized that you
24:32think that life is the Eternal thing
24:35that's the most important thing in the
24:36word and when you see death so close and
24:38you are confirmed that you're going to
24:41die you just realize that life
24:45is it's a second that the eternity is
24:47death that the real thing that exists is
24:50death not life you know we think that we
24:53are going to live forever and suddenly
24:55when you confront yourself with death so
24:57many times and you touch her and she
25:01grabs you and you know I was theread
25:04three or four times without any hope
25:07whatsoever and I lived I shouldn't be
25:09here by any means I shouldn't be here
25:11and then I realized that life is not
25:13Eternal we think and suddenly I'm there
25:16at8 almost 18,000 ft looking to the West
25:19surrounded by mountains and say I'm dead
25:22I thought I would live forever but the
25:24real eternity is death you know and how
25:27can I fight against this death what's
25:30the most important thing for me it's not
25:32life life will be gone it's love the
25:34love for the people I love the love that
25:36keeps me going to my father the love
25:38that now I feel for my daughters for my
25:40wife for my friends that's the most
25:42important thing in life money power what
25:47for I mean you can work I work I like
25:50the best things in life but I wouldn't
25:52jeopardise my family and my friends and
25:54my the love and my dog I love my dogs
25:58for more power more money I have enough
26:02what's interesting to me is that you
26:03would go through all of those
26:06chances and still enter into a world in
26:09race car driving where you're putting
26:11yourself back on the line again how yeah
26:13how do you understand
26:15that it's a very complex thing to
26:19understand my father he was the
26:21president of a uian racing drivers Club
26:23his passion was racing cars he took me
26:26to a racetrack when since I was 2 or 3
26:29years old you know so I was bred into
26:32racing and I love the smell and the
26:34noise and everything and I wanted to
26:36race cars but I didn't dare you know was
26:39too dangerous to my father always wanted
26:41to race but he he thought was too
26:44dangerous you know he loved the sport
26:45but I really wanted to race but then I
26:47crashed in the airplane and I came back
26:50and I lived and I said Jesus I almost
26:52never I almost died and never did what
26:55for me was so important M it could have
26:58been being playing tennis being a lawyer
27:00playing chess being a painter being a
27:04doctor but was racing cars so I said I'm
27:08going to do it because this is very
27:10important to
27:11me and it was such a big decision that
27:13because I started
27:15racing I met my wife in Europe and I
27:18have a beautiful family because I
27:20started racing but I didn't start racing
27:21thinking I'm Immortal because I survive
27:25a plane crash no no I approach racing
27:27with the utmost ECT techn
27:30technicality knowledge it's an art it's
27:33like any profession that you have to
27:35train dedicate study know and I enjoy
27:40it it's kind of a liberty at a terrible
27:43price isn't it Nando I mean you've
27:44you've been freed up through this
27:46experience in a way that most of the
27:47rest of us in our lives would never ever
27:49be able to Freed it up is is that been
27:52true for other people that were there as
27:54well the other
27:56survivors yeah I would say that some of
27:58the guys three or four or five more than
28:00others not
28:02everybody has this behaves in the same
28:04way on the same situations but uh I
28:08would say that you know Roberto Gustavo
28:11those are guys that probably you see
28:13them once and you there are like any
28:15people any person you you meet but I
28:19live with them they are my friends and I
28:21know that they are free guys you know
28:23Roberto especially he's very free he's
28:25a a guy that uh
28:28um a lot of energy power and there no
28:32limits for him mhm I lost everything
28:35andt I I lost my family my future my
28:37studies everything I had I was an animal
28:40on a
28:41glazure so I'm not afraid of losing
28:44everything because I already lost it mhm
28:47I know what's to be condemned to die
28:50without anything you know and to be
28:54blessed with the chance to have a life
28:58and a family and friends and dogs people
29:01say this guy speaks about dogs I mean I
29:03love my dogs you know and how much I
29:07would have given 3 4 years ago to have a
29:09house with
29:10dogs one of the um one of the things
29:13that along the line that we were just
29:15speaking about though that that really
29:17strikes me in the way that you look back
29:19now and particularly the way that you
29:21talk about this to other people is that
29:22you
29:23say don't call me a hero don't say I
29:26succeeded don't call this Glory to have
29:28succeeded because as you put it it was
29:30nothing more than ugliness fear and
29:33Desperation yeah I I have understood all
29:36through these years
29:38that people because I look at people and
29:42I think they are the way I think they
29:44are you know and seeing from the outside
29:47things look different you know I didn't
29:50want to be there yeah you know I just
29:53had to do what I had to do and I
29:55succeeded by chance by God by whatever
29:59happened and seen from the
30:02outside people say oh these guys were so
30:05courageous and they conquered what's not
30:08conquerable and they did this epic
30:11Traverse of the Andes and they survived
30:13two and a half months on a glacier how
30:15fantastic I say how horrible I it was so
30:19ugly you know so stressful I was so
30:22afraid there Jeff I can tell you so
30:24afraid that the fear is in your stomach
30:26it never goes away never you're always
30:29tense you
30:30know and I remember when I got to a
30:34hospital helicopters dropped me into a
30:36hospital they take my clothes off they
30:38cut my clothes off and they wash me and
30:40they make some tests on me and they put
30:42me on a bed that was the first time in
30:4673 days that I relaxed my muscles you
30:52know it's the fear it's never ending and
30:56from the outside looks like Cor
30:59you know and I I never thought about the
31:02word courage there I every time through
31:05that track every day every night I say
31:07how am I going to die the only thought I
31:10had in my mind
31:11was how does it feel to fall from 2,000
31:14ft and crash against a rock you know
31:17will I freeze at night will I die of
31:20hunger the only question was how will I
31:23meet my death that was the only one I
31:26had so if if you weren't
31:28with all you went through if you weren't
31:29courageous if you weren't heroic what do
31:31you think a courageous hero looks like
31:35maybe they don't exist I don't
31:37know I think
31:40that uh everybody is a hero when they
31:43have
31:44to confront a situation that really puts
31:48them to the test I'm sure that you if I
31:52don't know if you have a family you have
31:53a daughters Sons or something
31:56happens something arises from inside you
31:59if somebody wants to harm them that you
32:02when these things happen limit
32:03situations you you yield to what you
32:07have beneath MH and sometimes you don't
32:10want to find what you have
32:12inside cuz it sure strikes from the
32:14outside that your
32:16journey all the way through it was a
32:18journey of
32:21will I can accept
32:24that and with Roberto when we were at
32:27the hostal
32:28hosital and he looked at me and he said
32:32it was tough no I said yeah but we made
32:35it no so it was that was the last
32:39sentence that we had over there at the
32:41hospital
32:44Jesus what Stu yeah but here we are you
32:48know so that's was those are some of the
32:52most beautiful moments that I remember
32:54you know when you look at your friend
32:56you have died with him and
32:58we made it yeah and it it was tough
33:01maybe the understatement of the century
33:03it was tough it was simply Jesus it was
33:06tough though yeah but we made
33:08it great thank you thank you

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