“Muslims Were SLAUGHTERING Christians” - Sam Shamoun DEMOLISHES The Myth Of Islam’s Innocence — Transcript

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1. 0:00Sam, how many times have you read the
2. 0:01Quran?
3. 0:02I don't know, really. Maybe once or
4. 0:05twice, I don't know. No, stop it.
5. 0:06>> No, I'm serious. I don't
6. 0:09Literally, you've read it maybe once or
7. 0:10twice?
8. 0:10>> Yeah. And how do you remember
9. 0:11everything?
10. 0:12As I was trying said, I think we said up
11. 0:14there in the '90s, I realized
12. 0:17honestly when I would have a
13. 0:18conversation, verses would pop in my
14. 0:19head.
15. 0:20So, it's not I trained for it, and I
16. 0:22don't want people to be impressed by it.
17. 0:23Right? Oh, it was it.
18. 0:25No.
19. 0:26Knowledge puffs up. Love builds up. I
20. 0:28got a lot of issues that I pray God will
21. 0:29show me mercy on the day of judgment.
22. 0:31But, I just realized maybe it's God's
23. 0:33way of gifting me. How many times have
24. 0:34you read the Bible?
25. 0:36If I go back, I probably read it two or
26. 0:39three times. Two or three times?
27. 0:40>> Yes. I don't really read it all the way
28. 0:42through. Like now, it's not it's just
29. 0:43like, you know, I'll go through it.
30. 0:46You know, maybe read a psalm here or
31. 0:47there, or if I'm researching. Yeah, it's
32. 0:48it's
33. 0:49I I guess like when they drop me really
34. 0:51I was dropped as a child when I was one
35. 0:53on my head. So, maybe it triggered
36. 0:54something, I don't know. Maybe that's
37. 0:55how God does it, right?
38. 0:56>> Are you are you a massive because when
39. 0:58when I sat down with Charlie Kirk and
40. 1:00and we would talk to him off camera, he
41. 1:02would say he studies 3 hours every day.
42. 1:06Yeah. No matter what he reads and
43. 1:07studies 3 hours every day.
44. 1:08>> Yeah. Do you have a ritual of studying a
45. 1:10lot every day? Do you read a lot every
46. 1:12day? Not that way. What I do is I'm
47. 1:14always on my blog writing posts for
48. 1:16people
49. 1:17if not doing live streams. So, I'm not
50. 1:19studying, I'm writing to equip people
51. 1:22with articles so they can use it in
52. 1:24battle.
53. 1:25Because I want to equip people. So,
54. 1:27because look uh
55. 1:28if the Lord tarries, I'm going to die.
56. 1:30So, at 6 and a half, this 9-year-old
57. 1:33comes to you. At that time
58. 1:35at that time, what's your relationship
59. 1:36with your dad at 6 and a half? My dad
60. 1:38walked
61. 1:39walked away when I was probably seven,
62. 1:42shortly right after that.
63. 1:43>> So, it's right around that time that
64. 1:44this is happening to you. Got it. Okay,
65. 1:46so that had a massive impact on you
66. 1:48because huge. So, is that is that a
67. 1:51moment for you where your biological
68. 1:53father walked out, but your you know,
69. 1:56spiritual father is going to be with you
70. 1:57forever? Did you Did that give you that
71. 1:58peace as a young man? Raymond was Yeah,
72. 2:01Raymond's pretty much my dad even though
73. 2:03he was nine. And his grandmother
74. 2:06my mother was a wonderful woman. She
75. 2:08left a wonderful legacy, but she wasn't
76. 2:10educated in scripture. So, but his
77. 2:11grandmother was my spiritual mother.
78. 2:13Raymond's Raymond's grandmother.
79. 2:14>> Yeah, because his mother died when he
80. 2:16was young. So, his maternal grandmother
81. 2:18raised him and his brother. How much
82. 2:20time did you spend with her?
83. 2:21I think from 6 and a half to 10.
84. 2:24How often? Like every day? Every day
85. 2:25we'd go I'd hang out with him every day.
86. 2:27We'd go to the house. She would teach us
87. 2:28prayers. She would
88. 2:30>> or he would?
89. 2:30>> She would. She In fact, because of her
90. 2:32impact, I still remember
91. 2:34>> [clears throat]
92. 2:34>> Now I know it's part of the liturgy of
93. 2:36the Assyrian church, but I didn't know
94. 2:38that back then. She would teach She
95. 2:39taught me this. And it edged for some
96. 2:41reason those prayers
97. 2:43Qaddisha Alaha She taught me that.
98. 2:47She also taught me the Ave Maria, but in
99. 2:48a different way from where, you know,
100. 2:51like Bocelli says it. She taught it this
101. 2:54way. Now, guys, I'm not a singer, and
102. 2:55I'm not going to give up my day job, but
103. 2:56so
104. 2:57she taught it this way. Ave Ave Ave
105. 3:02Maria. So, I remember that for some
106. 3:03reason it stayed in my mind.
107. 3:05Right? She was a wonderful woman. 6 and
108. 3:07a half years old. Was Raymond's
109. 3:09grandmother friends with your mother?
110. 3:11No. They didn't know each other.
111. 3:13>> No. Yeah, they were they were in the
112. 3:14neighborhood. So, you know, you know how
113. 3:16you meet people high and buy, you know,
114. 3:18but it wasn't Yeah, it wasn't like, you
115. 3:20know, oh, we're cousin. No, just he
116. 3:22was taught to go soul winning. So, when
117. 3:24he won me
118. 3:26he took me to his grandmother, and she'd
119. 3:27teach us prayers. And what what was the
120. 3:29denomination? She was Catholic. His
121. 3:32uncle on his mother's side became
122. 3:35Baptist. So, later on at 18 years old
123. 3:37when that's
124. 3:39security guard, the guy you're working
125. 3:40with at the valet at this Bub's
126. 3:43Bub's City Yeah,
127. 3:45when you work there and he introduced
128. 3:47you to the Nation of Islam and you know,
129. 3:50Farrakhan and all these guys
130. 3:51at that time, would you say pre-meeting
131. 3:54him you'd consider yourself a Christian
132. 3:56or you're a lost teenager kind of going
133. 3:57through? Yeah, I had pretty much turned
134. 4:00my back on Christianity. When when you
135. 4:01left at 10 years old, 1982 you said?
136. 4:03>> 13. 13 when he 10 he really Yeah, I was
137. 4:06I think he was 10 he moved. Then I
138. 4:07started slipping, but around 13 I was
139. 4:09just uh Gone. Yeah. So, 13 to 18 there's
140. 4:11nothing.
141. 4:12>> No. Nothing.
142. 4:12>> No church, no mentor, no father figure,
143. 4:15no nothing. Yeah. Did you go to college?
144. 4:17Are you a good student in school? What
145. 4:18are you doing in school? Uh
146. 4:20I was such a good student I got thrown
147. 4:22out of high school.
148. 4:23Third year.
149. 4:24Yeah. In high school? And this is
150. 4:26Chicago?
151. 4:27>> Yep. And I got a GED, and never been to
152. 4:29college, never been to seminary, never
153. 4:30been to university.
154. 4:32What what was your you know, what what
155. 4:34class came easy to you? Are you a math
156. 4:36guy? Are you an English guy? Are you a
157. 4:38history guy? Are you I I liked history,
158. 4:40but not in school. I just hated being in
159. 4:41school because of my body dysmorphia and
160. 4:44low self-esteem. I couldn't be around
161. 4:45crowds. Were you in gangs? Were you a
162. 4:47troublemaker? Were you I was with the
163. 4:49gangs, but I wasn't the tough guy. I
164. 4:50mean, yeah, I hung out with like the
165. 4:52Assyrian Kings.
166. 4:54In Chicago. Okay. Assyrian Kings, right?
167. 4:57Yeah. So, 18 years old you meet this
168. 4:58guy.
169. 4:59Did you ever convert and become a Muslim
170. 5:01or no?
171. 5:02In my heart, I believe Muhammad was a
172. 5:04prophet, but it's not good enough
173. 5:06because if you go with Sunni Islamic
174. 5:08tradition, you have to take the Shahada
175. 5:10in front of at least two witnesses. But,
176. 5:12the guy who's talking about Islam, he
177. 5:14didn't take me to a mosque. He just was
178. 5:15talking, and then I started My curiosity
179. 5:18is such that when I get into something,
180. 5:20I have to study it. So, if I backtrack,
181. 5:22like when I like Bruce Lee, I ate up
182. 5:24every book on Bruce Lee.
183. 5:26And I would devour hours into Bruce Lee.
184. 5:28I had to know this guy inside and out.
185. 5:30When it came to bodybuilding, I would
186. 5:31devour every bodybuilding magazine. And
187. 5:34there was Arnold Schwarzenegger's
188. 5:35encyclopedia, you know, that
189. 5:37Something about me, when I'm into
190. 5:39something, I eat it up, and nothing else
191. 5:41matters.
192. 5:42It's like I'm just focused on this. The
193. 5:44world can go to hell. I mean, God
194. 5:46forbid, but you know, I'm not I'm
195. 5:48And so, whatever I focus on
196. 5:50becomes the entire
197. 5:53>> [clears throat]
198. 5:54>> center of my life.
199. 5:56Everything I do revolves around that.
200. 5:57So, during this time I'm thinking I'm
201. 5:59really I've deceived myself. I'm going
202. 6:00to make it to Hollywood.
203. 6:02The Lord had a sense of humor there.
204. 6:03>> Yeah, when I was bodybuilding, my goal
205. 6:06was that I'm going to get into Hollywood
206. 6:09like these guys. If Bruce Lee did
207. 6:10martial arts, I'm going to do it
208. 6:11somehow. I'm going to do it somehow.
209. 6:13>> So, are you watching Jean-Claude Van
210. 6:14Damme? Are you watching all these
211. 6:15movies? Are you watching
212. 6:16>> watching them, but they never compared
213. 6:18to Bruce Lee. I would watch Bruce Lee
214. 6:19all day. You know who's a big Bruce Lee
215. 6:20guy? Dana White. He is?
216. 6:22>> You go to his gym and his office, Bruce
217. 6:24Lee quotes everywhere.
218. 6:26When you walk into his office, there's a
219. 6:28Bruce Lee quote on the wall in his
220. 6:30office. Like Dana's a Bruce Lee fanatic.
221. 6:34>> So, he does think he's a real He's not a
222. 6:35fake, huh? No, no, no, no. He's
223. 6:37Based on the way I had when I was with
224. 6:39him, it was a lot of respect for him.
225. 6:41His quotes are all over his gym,
226. 6:42everywhere.
227. 6:44As you Okay, so
228. 6:4518 years old, now is he discipling you?
229. 6:48Is this guy the same Did he bring you
230. 6:50anywhere? Did you meet somebody? Did
231. 6:51someone Did you meet any of the big
232. 6:53names
233. 6:54>> Nope. on the Nation of Islam? Nothing.
234. 6:55It's all independent at 18 years old.
235. 6:58>> Went to bookstores and 18 years old,
236. 6:59there's no internet. There is internet,
237. 7:01but there's not the Google and all that
238. 7:03stuff because you know, your age where
239. 7:04you're at. I don't remember using
240. 7:06internet that time either. It was more
241. 7:07the AOL chat or whatever it was, right?
242. 7:09>> that. Yeah, the slow one. Yeah, that's
243. 7:11right. Net Zero and and all of that.
244. 7:13Yeah. So, okay, so at this time you're
245. 7:15going through it, and then you read the
246. 7:17Quran, and you go through your phase.
247. 7:19What are you doing occupation-wise? What
248. 7:21are you doing to make money? At that
249. 7:23time, I was working security, and
250. 7:25sometimes I'd work as a tow truck guy.
251. 7:28Just buy time to get into I'm serious. I
252. 7:30was really I really thought I was
253. 7:32delusional. All right. But, how did I
254. 7:34find
255. 7:35How did I research? I just go to
256. 7:36bookstore. There was a Muslim bookstore
257. 7:38in Chicago, North Side, Devon.
258. 7:41There was actually two. One of them is
259. 7:43still there. If the people are watching,
260. 7:44they'll know what I'm talking about.
261. 7:45It's by Devon, California. It's called
262. 7:46Iqra.
263. 7:47But, in the '90s it was not at that same
264. 7:50spot. So, I'd go buy Muslim books, and
265. 7:52I'd go Now, we still have Barnes &
266. 7:54Noble's, but at that time we also had
267. 7:56Borders. You guys remember Borders?
268. 7:58Yeah. I love Borders more than Barnes &
269. 8:00Noble's, but
270. 8:01I don't know, man. I just I don't know.
271. 8:03I just liked it.
272. 8:04I maybe the colors, who knows, but I
273. 8:06would go there and try to get books, and
274. 8:08then Muslim book
275. 8:10bookstores, obviously. But, what really
276. 8:13did it for me is I would buy VHS tape
277. 8:16debates.
278. 8:17We're living in a time with the VCR,
279. 8:19VHS. I know some people saying, "What is
280. 8:21that?"
281. 8:22They think it's like the way of the dodo
282. 8:23bird. Betamax, and you know, we had VHS.
283. 8:26So, they would sell Muslim Christian
284. 8:29debates. Now, all those debates are
285. 8:31online on YouTube. But, that time we
286. 8:33didn't have YouTube. So, I bought them.
287. 8:36And And I'll tell you how I got into
288. 8:37apologetics because that was because of
289. 8:39some Muslim guy who challenged me. But,
290. 8:41when I watched the debates
291. 8:44I'm designed in a weird way.
292. 8:46I learn more from attacks on the faith
293. 8:48than I learn from defending the faith
294. 8:49cuz it forces me to think.
295. 8:51So, I was watching the Muslims
296. 8:53slaughtering the Christians.
297. 8:54And it got me to think, "How do I answer
298. 8:56this guy?" So, that put a fire in me to
299. 8:58find answers. Now, I was never
300. 9:00discipled. I didn't have a pastor. I
301. 9:01didn't have a priest. I didn't have I
302. 9:03had to just rely on God's spirit to
303. 9:05guide me to the right sources, find the
304. 9:07right, let's say, authors, or listen to
305. 9:09the right Christians. But, when it came
306. 9:12to Christian Muslim debates, the
307. 9:13Christians were getting slaughtered.
308. 9:15I cannot tell you
309. 9:17of any Christian that I think won a
310. 9:19debate decisively in the '90s.
311. 9:21There were some close, but
312. 9:23for some reason the Muslims were
313. 9:25slaughtering the Christians. What was
314. 9:26their angle? What angle did they take
315. 9:27that Christians didn't have a way to
316. 9:29defend themselves? Even when it came to
317. 9:31Christian topics, the Christians were
318. 9:32doing bad. Like, is the Bible God's
319. 9:34word? You would have scholars like In
320. 9:36fact, it's on YouTube. Like the the late
321. 9:38Dr. Gleason L. Archer who was professor
322. 9:41emeritus of Now, it's closed, but in
323. 9:44Deerfield, Illinois, you had Trinity
324. 9:46Evangelical Divinity Seminary.
325. 9:49This man was a beast. You know, he's
326. 9:51since been He's gone with the Lord.
327. 9:53He would read and write 25 languages.
328. 9:57Jeez.
329. 9:58He's amazing. But, when it came to
330. 9:59debate, he was getting slaughtered.
331. 10:02And by neophyte Muslims who don't know
332. 10:03biblical languages. And on topics you
333. 10:05think it would be easy for him. He was
334. 10:07just getting slaughtered.
335. 10:08You'll find on YouTube Gleason Archer
336. 10:10Muslim debates. Disappointing. Trinity,
337. 10:12getting slaughtered. Topics that we
338. 10:14should win.
339. 10:15It's one thing when you're debating a
340. 10:16Muslim topic you're not familiar with
341. 10:18and you know, you have the advantage,
342. 10:19you're Muslim. But, when it comes to
343. 10:21your own
344. 10:22topics and you are bro and he is
345. 10:24brilliant, but he's not a You better see
346. 10:25you see some of the debates right there.
347. 10:27Gleason Archer versus Jamal Badawi, the
348. 10:28authenticity of the Quran and the
349. 10:30I mean, it was heartbreaking.
350. 10:33Because I'm not a scholar. I'm just a,
351. 10:35you know, teenager and these scholars,
352. 10:37you know,
353. 10:39is there a response? So, to tell you how
354. 10:41I got into this see how God works.
355. 10:43When I finally did embrace Christ and
356. 10:45realized that Muhammad was deceived and
357. 10:48Antichrist. First John 2:22-23.
358. 10:52I had a friend who used to teach me how
359. 10:53to box because I used to teach him how
360. 10:54to bodybuild. I don't want to mention
361. 10:56his name. I don't know what happened to
362. 10:57him since.
363. 10:58And I don't want to get him in trouble.
364. 11:00I don't know if he's even still in the
365. 11:01faith, but he was a from a Bosnian
366. 11:03background. His father was a boxing
367. 11:05coach.
368. 11:07And so, he would teach me boxing. I
369. 11:08would teach him how to lift weights. Cuz
370. 11:10remember I'm going to get into
371. 11:11Hollywood, brother.
372. 11:14>> [laughter]
373. 11:16>> As I started talking to him about
374. 11:17Christianity, he started getting
375. 11:18interested. Now, remember he's Muslim
376. 11:20background.
377. 11:22Bosnian Muslim background. Yeah.
378. 11:23Interesting.
379. 11:25So, he started
380. 11:28not going to the Jumu'ah prayers, Friday
381. 11:30prayers in his community college, Wright
382. 11:32College.
383. 11:33So, the Muslims started noticing. So,
384. 11:35they asked him, "What's going on?" He
385. 11:36goes, "Well, you know, I'm starting to
386. 11:38get into Christianity." "Who's the guy?
387. 11:40Who's been influencing you?"
388. 11:42Well, I'm a neophyte. I'm green. I don't
389. 11:43know much about I'm just learning. So, I
390. 11:45met couple of his friends.
391. 11:47They brought in a big gun. I don't want
392. 11:49to mention his name. I don't want to
393. 11:50give him publicity. You know, it's from
394. 11:51Chicago. He was a real estate guy from
395. 11:53South
396. 11:54Is it South Asia? We'll leave it at
397. 11:56that.
398. 11:57He walked in the church that I was in.
399. 11:58It was a Korean church. He had like a
400. 12:00folder, you know, binder. I don't know
401. 12:02what they call it, but
402. 12:04you know, we don't have it anymore, but
403. 12:05he came in. He opened it up.
404. 12:08You know, where they have those rings?
405. 12:09Mhm.
406. 12:10Paper? Yeah. He was ready, man. He had a
407. 12:12combat kit. It's called the Later on I
408. 12:14realized they call it the combat kit. In
409. 12:16fact, it was made famous by
410. 12:18another Muslim debater named Ahmed
411. 12:19Deedat.
412. 12:21Ahmed Deedat who since deceased in 2005,
413. 12:23he became famous when he debated Jimmy
414. 12:26Swaggart as the Bible God's word.
415. 12:28And from the Muslim perspective,
416. 12:30Swaggart got destroyed.
417. 12:32That made him international. He's from
418. 12:34South Africa. If you look at it from a
419. 12:36logical perspective,
420. 12:38he didn't win.
421. 12:39But, debates are not won on substance.
422. 12:41It's won on rhetoric, personality and
423. 12:45flash.
424. 12:46And he's very charismatic. He's another
425. 12:47guy care Jimmy Swaggart did, but he won.
426. 12:49If you look at just the facts, Swaggart
427. 12:52won. But, the rhetoric and the
428. 12:54confidence of Deedat. He was a very huge
429. 12:56fellow.
430. 12:57Right? Just impressed and bedazzled the
431. 12:59Muslims. He was the biggest Muslim
432. 13:01debater at that time. The second biggest
433. 13:03is Jamal Badawi who debated Gleason
434. 13:04Archer. But, coming back to this guy,
435. 13:07you'll find it here. Deedat Ahmed
436. 13:08Deedat, Jimmy Swaggart, see?
437. 13:12These are some of the historic debates
438. 13:14that are setting the ground for future
439. 13:16apologists.
440. 13:17Some of the debates.
441. 13:19So, this guy had a combat kit cuz if you
442. 13:21put in Ahmed Deedat combat kit, he wrote
443. 13:23books for Muslims to take,
444. 13:26right? Ah, there it goes. Ah, see?
445. 13:28Against Bible thumpers.
446. 13:30This guy had his own combat kit, right?
447. 13:32>> So funny. Yeah, so what he did was he
448. 13:34had verses of of Bible that contradict.
449. 13:37Is it If it's God's word, then what do
450. 13:38you What about these contradictions?
451. 13:39Now, I'm green. I don't know nothing. I
452. 13:41have no idea, brother. I'm just I just
453. 13:43came into faith. Give me a break. No, he
454. 13:44came
455. 13:45This is one other reason people say,
456. 13:47"Why are you so aggressive?
457. 13:48You know, you're very like sometimes you
458. 13:50can be very nasty and
459. 13:52because what I think what he did to me
460. 13:56impacted me because he was very nasty to
461. 13:58me.
462. 13:59And he bullied me.
463. 14:00And there's something about me that
464. 14:01triggers me. When I feel I'm bullied,
465. 14:03right? That's it. Yep. Ahmed Deedat.
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