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  1. 0:00hi guys just tell it you know I have a
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  6. 0:25back to another episode of murder and
  7. 0:28more as always I am your host Kara
  8. 0:33[Music]
  9. 0:44according to an article written by
  10. 0:46Carolyn lippo in April 2017 for Redbook
  11. 0:51magazine traditional wedding vows can be
  12. 0:54traced as far back as The Book of Common
  13. 0:56Prayer written by the Archbishop of
  14. 0:58Canterbury Thomas Cranmer in 1549 the
  15. 1:02vows have been adapted significantly
  16. 1:04over the years specifically the vowel we
  17. 1:07now know is till death do us part in the
  18. 1:11original version of the book this vowel
  19. 1:13was known as till death asked apart
  20. 1:16before it was changed in 1662 to till
  21. 1:20death us do part it was modified
  22. 1:23sometime after - what we now know it as
  23. 1:26till death do us part and has remained a
  24. 1:29stable part of wedding vows ever since
  25. 1:31till death do us part is an ominous vow
  26. 1:34to make with hundreds of thousands of
  27. 1:37divorces taking place each year in
  28. 1:39Catholicism till death do us part is
  29. 1:42taken literally meaning that only God
  30. 1:45Himself can interfere with a marriage
  31. 1:46and at the only manner in which a
  32. 1:49couple's marriage will end as if one of
  33. 1:51them dies amel cilia's also took the vow
  34. 1:55extremely literally and couldn't wait
  35. 1:57for God's interference to end his
  36. 1:59marriage thus an extravagant murder plot
  37. 2:02was born
  38. 2:03[Music]
  39. 2:09[Music]
  40. 2:11Easter Sunday 2015 was a darlin overcast
  41. 2:15day gray clouds lingered low in the
  42. 2:19slightly humid air and the temperature
  43. 2:20starts at a comfortable 11 degrees
  44. 2:23Celsius the bank holiday weekend
  45. 2:26provided the perfect opportunity for
  46. 2:28skydiving enthusiasts to pursue their
  47. 2:31passions one such person was 38 year old
  48. 2:35mother of two Victoria cilia's an
  49. 2:38ex-army captain an experienced skydiver
  50. 2:42Victoria had successfully performed over
  51. 2:452,000 jumps over the years and it stood
  52. 2:48to reason that this one shouldn't be any
  53. 2:50different she'd give him birth to her
  54. 2:52second child six weeks earlier and this
  55. 2:55was a perfect chance for her to get back
  56. 2:57into her passion Victoria's husband Emil
  57. 3:01cilia's shared his wife's passion and
  58. 3:04was also an avid skydiver with a couple
  59. 3:07regularly parachuting together it was
  60. 3:10impossible for Victoria to know however
  61. 3:12that she was about to experience every
  62. 3:15skydivers worst nightmare it was 4:15
  63. 3:19p.m. when Victoria Silius was finally
  64. 3:22ready to perform her solo jump just as
  65. 3:25she had done thousands of times before
  66. 3:27nine other people had successfully
  67. 3:30jumped out of the plane before her with
  68. 3:33Victoria being the last person to jump
  69. 3:35however this jump wasn't as successful
  70. 3:39as the previous jumpers had been and
  71. 3:41seconds after leaping from the plane
  72. 3:444000 feet in the air
  73. 3:46Victoria realized she was in a crisis
  74. 3:48the main lines of her parachutes had
  75. 3:51become entangled causing her to fall
  76. 3:54fast through the clouds and anyone else
  77. 3:57this would have instilled instant fear
  78. 3:59however her experience enabled Victoria
  79. 4:02to remain calm
  80. 4:03as she knew she had a reserve canopy for
  81. 4:06these events panic finally set in
  82. 4:09however when her reserve parachute also
  83. 4:12failed to fully deploy and Victoria's
  84. 4:15calm descent onto the Salisbury Plains
  85. 4:17turned into a rapid spiraling descent
  86. 4:20that could only end in disaster
  87. 4:23being a qualified parachute instructor
  88. 4:25Victoria had the wherewithal to slow
  89. 4:28down her descent from a hundred miles an
  90. 4:31hour to 30 miles an hour
  91. 4:32but even this speed would still cause
  92. 4:35her serious injury when Victoria finally
  93. 4:41landed on the soft ground of a freshly
  94. 4:43plowed field
  95. 4:44she suffered spinal injuries as well as
  96. 4:47breaking some ribs her collarbone and a
  97. 4:49leg Victoria spent three weeks in South
  98. 4:53Hampton hospital where she underwent
  99. 4:55emergency surgery but incredibly
  100. 4:57survived her terrifying ordeal it's
  101. 5:00believed that Victoria's slight eight
  102. 5:03stone frame landing on the freshly
  103. 5:05plowed field instead of the harsh chalky
  104. 5:08Solsbury plains were contributing
  105. 5:10factors in her survival Detective
  106. 5:13Inspector Paul Franklin of the Wiltshire
  107. 5:16police was alerted to the suspicious
  108. 5:18crashed the following day the police
  109. 5:21initially treated the crash as an
  110. 5:23accident but a chief instructor he was
  111. 5:26present at the time the young mother of
  112. 5:28two crashed to the ground knew and his
  113. 5:30gut that this wasn't an accident
  114. 5:32and that something sinister had caused
  115. 5:34Victoria's rapid descent to earth so
  116. 5:38much Wilder is still is the chief
  117. 5:40instructor at another Haven airfield
  118. 5:42he looked at a parachute so at the main
  119. 5:44parachute she said it was much more
  120. 5:45tangled they'd seen and seen plenty of
  121. 5:48malfunctions he said I've never seen one
  122. 5:50like this he goes and there it is links
  123. 5:53missing on the reserve he said I just
  124. 5:55can't give you an answer of why that
  125. 5:57should be that shouldn't happen the
  126. 6:00canopy of the parachute is attached to
  127. 6:02the harness worn by the individual
  128. 6:04performing the jump by slinks or soft
  129. 6:07links and it's without even one of these
  130. 6:09leaps that a parachute is effectively
  131. 6:11useless two of this links were missing
  132. 6:14from Victoria's reserve parachute for no
  133. 6:17obvious reason rendering it completely
  134. 6:20ineffective links are the strongest part
  135. 6:24of the parachute if anything the lines
  136. 6:26or the canopy itself would have broken
  137. 6:28first so it was inconceivable that the
  138. 6:31slinks would have broken or fallen off
  139. 6:33the parachute on their own due to this
  140. 6:35the mesons links quickly became the
  141. 6:37focus of the investigation police issued
  142. 6:41a press release in an effort to locate
  143. 6:43the missing links wondering if perhaps
  144. 6:46they may be found in a field nearby
  145. 6:48if this links had simply broken this
  146. 6:51could officially be declared an accident
  147. 6:54as a result of a kit malfunction but
  148. 6:57ultimately the missing links were never
  149. 6:59located forcing police to begin
  150. 7:02considering the possibility that they
  151. 7:04were removed on purpose indicating foul
  152. 7:07play the British parachutes Association
  153. 7:11conducted their own investigation into
  154. 7:13the accident and failed to identify any
  155. 7:16reason why the parachute would have
  156. 7:19malfunctioned and were unable to rule
  157. 7:21out the possibility that the parachutes
  158. 7:24have been interfered with this
  159. 7:26conclusion gave rise to even more
  160. 7:28speculation within the police force that
  161. 7:31this potentially was an attempted murder
  162. 7:33rather than a simple accident the result
  163. 7:37of this investigation forced them to
  164. 7:39perform a much more serious
  165. 7:41investigation into the suspicious crash
  166. 7:44with a desperate need to identify who if
  167. 7:47anyone had the motive to murder Victoria
  168. 7:50cilia's straight off the bat the police
  169. 7:53had multiple suspects that they were
  170. 7:55investigating for five days after the
  171. 7:58incident on the 10th of April 2015 a tip
  172. 8:03from one of Victoria's friends would
  173. 8:04turn the investigation upside down and
  174. 8:07potentially unlock the motive behind
  175. 8:10this crime
  176. 8:12South african-born Emil cilia's was an
  177. 8:15instructor for the Royal Army physical
  178. 8:18training corpse when he was treated by
  179. 8:20physiotherapist Victoria for a skiing
  180. 8:23accident in 2015
  181. 8:27the couple had been married for four
  182. 8:28years and were living in Amesbury with
  183. 8:30their two young children the youngest
  184. 8:33being just six weeks old at the time of
  185. 8:35the crash on the outside Victoria's
  186. 8:38marriage to Emil cilia's was idyllic
  187. 8:40they had two beautiful children and a
  188. 8:43seemingly perfect marriage however under
  189. 8:47this veneer of perfection the front
  190. 8:50revealed that the couple had a
  191. 8:51tumultuous relationship and very quickly
  192. 8:54Emil cilia's became the focus of the
  193. 8:57police's investigation regarding taking
  194. 9:00the friends statement di Franklin said
  195. 9:03quote there are domestic abuse issues
  196. 9:06within the relationship that weren't
  197. 9:08obvious from the outside we're not
  198. 9:11talking about black eyes and bruises
  199. 9:13we're talking about unseen stuff and
  200. 9:15great DC Maddy henna went on to describe
  201. 9:19Victoria and the meals relationship
  202. 9:22quote you treat somebody like a princess
  203. 9:25and then you do something really
  204. 9:27unacceptable and underhand but when you
  205. 9:30get found out you treat them like a
  206. 9:32princess again the woman keeps thinking
  207. 9:34he's treated me really well I let him
  208. 9:37off with that one and then it happens
  209. 9:39again it becomes that she is so squashed
  210. 9:42by it that she just accepts that that's
  211. 9:44what life is and quote
  212. 9:47with the revelation the Victoria animals
  213. 9:50relationship was a volatile one police
  214. 9:53believed he was a credible suspect a
  215. 9:56femicide census conducted by Karen
  216. 9:59Angela Smith revealed that 61% of women
  217. 10:02who were murdered in 2018 were murdered
  218. 10:05at the hands of their current or former
  219. 10:07partner or husband meaning that police
  220. 10:10were entirely justified in considering
  221. 10:13arresting Emil Silius for the attempted
  222. 10:15murder of his wife officers believed
  223. 10:18that Emile's arrest would elicit some
  224. 10:20form of response and display of emotion
  225. 10:23from him such as anger but they were
  226. 10:25shocked when they informed a meal that
  227. 10:27he was being arrested his army barracks
  228. 10:30on the 28th of April for the suspicion
  229. 10:32of attempting to murder the mother of
  230. 10:34his two children and no such emotions
  231. 10:37were exhibited instead the South
  232. 10:40african-born Army sergeant remained calm
  233. 10:43and composed and failed to protest his
  234. 10:46innocence as the metal cuffs clink shut
  235. 10:48around his wrists and officers began
  236. 10:51searching his office this complete lack
  237. 10:54of any form of emotion regarding being
  238. 10:57arrested or even being a suspect in the
  239. 10:59attempted murder of his wife struck
  240. 11:02police as extremely odd behavior and
  241. 11:04made a meal look all the more suspicious
  242. 11:08emil maintained his composure during the
  243. 11:11interviews - he declined to consult with
  244. 11:14a solicitor and happily permitted police
  245. 11:16to question him for six hours without
  246. 11:18protest
  247. 11:19Emile's personality rapidly shone
  248. 11:22through
  249. 11:22and they began seeing their suspect in a
  250. 11:25whole new light quote he displays all
  251. 11:29the traits of a psychopath psychopath
  252. 11:31sociopath narcissists extreme
  253. 11:35selfishness he only cares about himself
  254. 11:37end quote said di Paul Franklin very
  255. 11:42quickly Emil became extremely open and
  256. 11:45honest with the police during the
  257. 11:46interview and readily implied that he no
  258. 11:49longer cherished his wife it's also no
  259. 11:52I don't wanna be taking on a leave icky
  260. 11:55parabola
  261. 11:56I've got girlfriends and it ain't a
  262. 11:58girlfriend they were seen as an Austrian
  263. 12:00national and he puts holidays with them
  264. 12:03this revelation stunned police in part
  265. 12:06due to the manner in which he readily
  266. 12:08offered up the information the police
  267. 12:11examined Emile's Fame and the analysis
  268. 12:13corroborated his claims of infidelity
  269. 12:16Emil was indeed having an affair with an
  270. 12:19Austrian national whom he'd met on
  271. 12:21tinder and he was on a skiing trip four
  272. 12:24months prior to the attempted murder of
  273. 12:25his wife in the months following the
  274. 12:28commencement of her meals affair with
  275. 12:30Stephanie gala and the months prior to
  276. 12:32Victoria's crash the couple had been in
  277. 12:35contact almost daily right under
  278. 12:38victorious knows anything he it is quite
  279. 12:42strong made over the wife is she just
  280. 12:45been released from hospital she's in a
  281. 12:47body brace you've got a very young baby
  282. 12:49in the mantle resold an Italian police
  283. 12:52officers about your multiple affairs in
  284. 12:55your casual sex and a girlfriend and a
  285. 12:58man there and that was quite striking
  286. 13:01whilst Emil was happy to provide police
  287. 13:04information regarding his affair details
  288. 13:07surrounding the circumstances of the
  289. 13:09crash and the hours leading up to the
  290. 13:11crash were slightly more difficult to
  291. 13:13extract from him there are some of the
  292. 13:16things he told us about we asked him to
  293. 13:18give an account was that he was holding
  294. 13:20a parachute it's already booked out for
  295. 13:23her he also mentioned he'd taken his
  296. 13:25daughter to the toilet I was holding it
  297. 13:28again these were Sade
  298. 13:30very minimally and brushed over quickly
  299. 13:32he skips over them he's very quick and
  300. 13:35he was offered a tangent and again back
  301. 13:37what he didn't mean anything to us over
  302. 13:39thee they're just unusually big he
  303. 13:42hadn't gone it herself that she was
  304. 13:43jumping but whilst police were
  305. 13:46questioning Emil other officers were
  306. 13:48also interviewing Victoria who was very
  307. 13:51compliant and provided a factual account
  308. 13:53of her accident
  309. 13:55it quickly became apparent to police
  310. 13:58that Victoria had no suspicions of her
  311. 14:01husband's infidelity and therefore
  312. 14:03didn't share the police's skepticism
  313. 14:05regarding her husband's innocence
  314. 14:08Victoria failed to offer up an
  315. 14:11explanation as to why both her
  316. 14:13parachutes failed and it was quite clear
  317. 14:15she believed it was a simple kit
  318. 14:17malfunction meanwhile police had to make
  319. 14:20the agonizing decision as to whether
  320. 14:22they'll at a meal he was currently under
  321. 14:25suspicion of attempting to murder his
  322. 14:27wife go home to her and their two
  323. 14:29children
  324. 14:30ultimately the decision was made to
  325. 14:33release a male on bail with the
  326. 14:35conditions that he had no contact with
  327. 14:37Victoria and went anywhere other than
  328. 14:40his home address the police informed
  329. 14:43Victoria that they'd arrested her
  330. 14:45husband and the he'd been released on
  331. 14:47bail providing he didn't attend their
  332. 14:49family home Victoria was outraged by
  333. 14:53this decision and demanded to have her
  334. 14:55husband home to provide physical
  335. 14:57assistance with caring for their two
  336. 14:59young children
  337. 15:01Victoria's abilities were strictly
  338. 15:03diminished due to her extensive injuries
  339. 15:06and body brace and it rapidly became
  340. 15:08apparent to police that she was in
  341. 15:10denial that her husband had any
  342. 15:13involvement in the crash it was late at
  343. 15:16night when police notified Victoria of
  344. 15:19her husband's arrest and subsequent
  345. 15:20bailing they assured her they'd visit
  346. 15:23her the following day and explained all
  347. 15:25the details in person however it was
  348. 15:29going to be tough to prove to Victoria
  349. 15:31that her husband had attempted and
  350. 15:33failed to murder her despite a
  351. 15:35confession that Emil was unhappy in his
  352. 15:38marriage and was conducting an
  353. 15:40extramarital affair police had no
  354. 15:42physical evidence against him to
  355. 15:44conclusively prove he was responsible
  356. 15:46for the crash
  357. 15:48di Phu Franklin had three factors which
  358. 15:51contributed to his belief that a meal
  359. 15:54was the reason behind both parachutes
  360. 15:56failing and he shared these with
  361. 15:58Victoria the following day
  362. 16:00first of all Emil had told police he was
  363. 16:03discontented in his marriage and was
  364. 16:05planning on leaving her secondly Emile
  365. 16:07was having an affair with another woman
  366. 16:09an affair that was deemed by police
  367. 16:11examining his feign to be a serious
  368. 16:13relationship and had partaken in
  369. 16:16multiple extramarital affairs in
  370. 16:18previous years in fact at the time Emil
  371. 16:22wasn't just conducting an affair with
  372. 16:23Stephanie caller but also his ex-wife
  373. 16:26and mother to his two middle children
  374. 16:28Carly Celia's Emile's phone proved to be
  375. 16:32the most damning in providing police
  376. 16:34with a real insight into his true
  377. 16:36character quote he can have a
  378. 16:40conversation with his wife about picking
  379. 16:42up the children or a bit of shopping at
  380. 16:44the same time as arranging to meet
  381. 16:46someone he knows from fab swingers for
  382. 16:49some weekend fun and during in someone
  383. 16:51from adult work to see if they're
  384. 16:53available three totally separate
  385. 16:56conversations at the same time managed
  386. 16:59in such a way that there was never a
  387. 17:01wrong phone call to the wrong person and
  388. 17:04you see that repeated constantly for
  389. 17:06years you see what kind of person he was
  390. 17:09end quote finally the analysis of his
  391. 17:13phone revealed that Emil had told
  392. 17:15Stephanie that he believed he wasn't the
  393. 17:17father of his and Victoria's six week
  394. 17:19old baby and was intending on having a
  395. 17:22DNA test to conclusively prove the lack
  396. 17:25of paternity not only did these three
  397. 17:28factors contribute to di pool Franklin's
  398. 17:31belief that Emil had attempted to murder
  399. 17:33his wife but it also provided a motive
  400. 17:36to be rid of his wife and gave rise to
  401. 17:39the possibility that Emil may attempt
  402. 17:41and potentially be successful in a
  403. 17:44further attempt on her life if police
  404. 17:46allowed him to return to the home the
  405. 17:48couple shared together Paul Franklin
  406. 17:51vividly recalls sharing these facts with
  407. 17:54Victoria Silius and recollects just how
  408. 17:57distraught she was
  409. 17:59you go through a career in certain bits
  410. 18:01and you kinda just remain with you and
  411. 18:04then meeting that I played was one of
  412. 18:06those and you know you know what you're
  413. 18:08about to tell I'm about to tell her it's
  414. 18:10going to be devastating and there's no
  415. 18:13nice spin on it you can't make it nice
  416. 18:15you can't make it easy so Riley put it
  417. 18:17off in a doula and I tell them
  418. 18:19absolutely that I mean if she screams
  419. 18:22she cries she's really upset
  420. 18:25yeah it's heart-rending to see and then
  421. 18:28after so five ten days and you could see
  422. 18:30it's sinking in and to this day you are
  423. 18:34intended for the only time I saw a real
  424. 18:36Victorian finally Victoria began to
  425. 18:40accept the possibility that amel Silius
  426. 18:43wasn't the man she believed she knew
  427. 18:44just as Paul Franklin was about to leave
  428. 18:48the home
  429. 18:49Victoria offered up some information
  430. 18:51that would ultimately crack the case
  431. 18:53wide open and shock everyone involved
  432. 18:58just as Paul Franklin was about to leave
  433. 19:01he asked if Victoria had any further
  434. 19:03questions she wished to ask
  435. 19:05she didn't however she did wish to
  436. 19:09inform him of a slightly strange event
  437. 19:11that had occurred the previous week very
  438. 19:14matter-of-factly Victoria looked at the
  439. 19:17detective and exclaimed quote were you
  440. 19:21better know about the gas leak last week
  441. 19:23and great I don't think I'm sitting in a
  442. 19:26house as lesser than two years old a
  443. 19:28week before she falls out were playing
  444. 19:31the parachute they may be temporaries
  445. 19:32she's now going that gas leak it ain't
  446. 19:37right it's my gut reaction now is this
  447. 19:40is not what these almost like feeling it
  448. 19:42in now police had not one but two
  449. 19:45potential attempts on Victoria sylia's
  450. 19:48life and they believed now more than
  451. 19:50ever that they were at the hands of her
  452. 19:52husband di Franklin knew he had to
  453. 19:55investigate further
  454. 19:56to determine whether this was in fact a
  455. 19:59further attempt on Victoria's life or
  456. 20:01whether it was simply an accident
  457. 20:03he asked Victoria to come down to the
  458. 20:05station to be interviewed regarding the
  459. 20:07events of the week Victoria record in
  460. 20:10her interview that a few months before
  461. 20:12the
  462. 20:12gas leak at their home Emil had begun
  463. 20:14acting out of character and had made the
  464. 20:17decision to begin staying at the army
  465. 20:19base in alder shot Hampshire where he
  466. 20:21was working as he was tired of driving
  467. 20:24the hundred mile round-trip every day
  468. 20:26the evening prior was just like any
  469. 20:29other ordinary evening a meal had helped
  470. 20:33Victoria put the children to bed before
  471. 20:35driving to out a shop to stay at the
  472. 20:37army barracks to avoid the rush hour
  473. 20:39traffic when Victoria awake for next
  474. 20:42morning immediately she knew something
  475. 20:44wasn't right and instantly recognized
  476. 20:48the rotten egg type smell in the air as
  477. 20:50gas pressure I can Windows was
  478. 20:53anticipated a bit and she texts the
  479. 20:56neighbors were strange gas smell his
  480. 20:59text fact was have you turned the stove
  481. 21:01on just quite incredible he said well no
  482. 21:05of course not while they do that
  483. 21:07can you say well then we'll work on busy
  484. 21:09talk and you deal that and then make
  485. 21:11sure she did arrange for an emergency
  486. 21:14gas engine needs to come out and he
  487. 21:16found her nuts like last part when she
  488. 21:19thought was loosely just tightened it up
  489. 21:21slightly
  490. 21:22he said the porter turn gordon airy and
  491. 21:25chilling revelation left police more
  492. 21:28convinced than ever before that emil
  493. 21:31Silius was a dangerous and callous man
  494. 21:33not only had he tried to murder his wife
  495. 21:36twice but one of those times his own
  496. 21:39children were present in the house
  497. 21:41despite their mounting concerns police
  498. 21:44still required physical evidence to
  499. 21:47present a solid case against a male
  500. 21:49Silius to the cps di pool franklin
  501. 21:53obtained the warrant to search the
  502. 21:55couple's home specifically to perform a
  503. 21:58forensic investigation on the gas pipe
  504. 22:00this examination would finally provide
  505. 22:03police with their first piece of
  506. 22:05physical evidence on the pipe they
  507. 22:08discovered minut traces of blood which
  508. 22:11subsequently matched emil silliest DNA
  509. 22:13whilst this identified emil as handling
  510. 22:16the pipe it didn't specify when the
  511. 22:19blood had been shed on it and he could
  512. 22:21have quite easily explained the presence
  513. 22:23of his play
  514. 22:24away as a botched DIY job so the
  515. 22:27forensics team pursued with their
  516. 22:29investigation in an attempt to uncover
  517. 22:32conclusive proof that a male had
  518. 22:34interfered with the pipe and caused the
  519. 22:36gas leak and finally they discovered the
  520. 22:40evidence they were looking for mold
  521. 22:42Richmond was on its lips they had pulled
  522. 22:45back and built up and the actual grip
  523. 22:48and the marks of left mashing cycling's
  524. 22:51from all groups that we found in the
  525. 22:54utility room in a house which one
  526. 22:56and the worst ones and we proved is
  527. 22:59there were marks on its hotness that
  528. 23:01proved it only ever been elusive this
  529. 23:04was the breakthrough police needed to
  530. 23:06prove that not only hit a male being in
  531. 23:09the cupboard where the gas pipe was
  532. 23:10located but that his tools responsible
  533. 23:13for loosening the nut that eventually
  534. 23:15caused the gas to leak out slowly police
  535. 23:20finally had physical evidence to
  536. 23:22pinpoint a meal cilia's his being
  537. 23:25responsible for at least one of the
  538. 23:27potential attempts from Victoria's life
  539. 23:29and were able to bring him back into the
  540. 23:32station for further questioning my
  541. 23:49friend stated the relation to the
  542. 23:52motorist was really the NJB flash
  543. 23:58multipliers that conclusively the
  544. 24:02looking players were used to possibly a
  545. 24:06nuisance
  546. 24:07[Music]
  547. 24:10Amil attempted to explain away the
  548. 24:13evidence and told police there he'd used
  549. 24:16the more grips to both loosen and
  550. 24:18tighten the nuts in the past however the
  551. 24:21forensic evidence conclusively proved
  552. 24:24that this was untrue has been used to
  553. 24:39[Music]
  554. 24:46help in the face of damning physical
  555. 25:18evidence the male Silius was unable to
  556. 25:20talk his way out of these allegations
  557. 25:23however police still had a lot of work
  558. 25:26to do and continue to work tirelessly to
  559. 25:30prove that Emil had also tampered with
  560. 25:32the parachute after the gas leak failed
  561. 25:35to kill Victoria additional texts from
  562. 25:38the analysis of a male's phone came to
  563. 25:41light which demonstrated the if Emil was
  564. 25:44responsible for Victoria's crash it was
  565. 25:47without a doubt premeditated a mere six
  566. 25:51hours after he discerned that the gas
  567. 25:53peak had failed to murder the 38 year
  568. 25:56old mother of two Emil quickly suggested
  569. 25:59they go parachuting at the weekend
  570. 26:01already conjuring up a new plot to
  571. 26:04murder his wife obviously believing for
  572. 26:07Emil was a loving husband
  573. 26:09Victoria readily jumped at the idea of
  574. 26:11reigniting her passions six weeks
  575. 26:14postpartum
  576. 26:16this revelation is just another building
  577. 26:18block in the case against emil cilia's
  578. 26:21and proves again that he is a cold
  579. 26:23callous and dangerous individual in an
  580. 26:28attempt to proof that Emil was
  581. 26:30responsible for Victoria's parachutes
  582. 26:32malfunctions di Paul Franklin approached
  583. 26:36two different parachute riggers in
  584. 26:38separate parts of the country a
  585. 26:41parachute rigger is an individual who's
  586. 26:44trained to pack maintain and repair
  587. 26:46parachutes Paul asked the two
  588. 26:49specialists to purposely attempt to
  589. 26:52render a parachute ineffective in
  590. 26:54whichever manner they saw fit both
  591. 26:57trained riggers demonstrated that a
  592. 27:00parachute could be tampered with in less
  593. 27:02than five minutes police quickly learned
  594. 27:05that Emil had successfully undergone a
  595. 27:08course in order to become a trained
  596. 27:10rigger proving he had the knowledge to
  597. 27:13lethally sabotage both of Victorious
  598. 27:16parachutes however despite this
  599. 27:19circumstantial evidence against a meal
  600. 27:21police still needed to obtain physical
  601. 27:24evidence to demonstrate that not only
  602. 27:26had a meal tampered with the parachutes
  603. 27:28but he'd also ensured Victoria used
  604. 27:32those specific ones Victoria it was
  605. 27:35interviewed for a second time regarding
  606. 27:37the tragic weekend that forever changed
  607. 27:40her life and once again her testimony to
  608. 27:43police provided damning evidence against
  609. 27:45her husband
  610. 27:47Viktoria record to the police that a
  611. 27:50male had organized for the family to go
  612. 27:52to the drop zone together on the
  613. 27:54Saturday to organize the jump whilst
  614. 27:57Victoria was ensuring the paperwork was
  615. 27:59all up together in the office
  616. 28:01Emil went and booked out the parachute
  617. 28:04he's believed that after Emil worked out
  618. 28:07the parachute he managed to sneak it
  619. 28:09away for long enough in order to
  620. 28:11lethally sabotage it the expert riggers
  621. 28:14had already proved that it took just
  622. 28:16five minutes to render a parachute
  623. 28:18unusable and Emil had already confessed
  624. 28:21to the police that after he'd booked it
  625. 28:23out he'd taken the parachute to the
  626. 28:25toilet with him where he was completely
  627. 28:28out of sight of anyone else and had free
  628. 28:31rein to tamper with it it soon became
  629. 28:34apparent that the lone grey clouds
  630. 28:36weren't going to clear rendering it
  631. 28:39completely impossible for Victoria to
  632. 28:41jump that day Victoria was happy to
  633. 28:44reschedule the following day and I'm
  634. 28:47sure panicking Emil managed to persuade
  635. 28:49her to put the parachute he'd already
  636. 28:51booked out into a locker
  637. 28:53apparently in order to save time the
  638. 28:55following day in reality we know that
  639. 28:59the only reason Emil wished to keep the
  640. 29:01parachute in their locker overnight was
  641. 29:04because he needed Victoria to use it and
  642. 29:07to ensure no one else could utilize it
  643. 29:09instead Victoria was dubious about
  644. 29:12putting the parachute in her locker
  645. 29:14as she felt they should give it back but
  646. 29:17not wanting to cause a scene in public
  647. 29:19she finally agreed and the parachute is
  648. 29:22placed into the couple shared locker
  649. 29:25whilst this was finally the evidence
  650. 29:27police needed to pinpoint Emil Silius as
  651. 29:30the attempted killer
  652. 29:32they now required a strong motive one
  653. 29:35stronger than a meals wish to leave his
  654. 29:37wife as he already had two failed
  655. 29:40marriages behind him the obvious
  656. 29:42conclusion to his discontentment would
  657. 29:44have simply been to divorce Victoria as
  658. 29:47he had done before finally police
  659. 29:50received the break three they'd worked
  660. 29:52so hard to achieve and were finally able
  661. 29:54to prove that not only did Emil silliest
  662. 29:58try and murder his wife
  663. 29:59twice
  664. 30:00in one week but they he had a strong
  665. 30:03motive to get rid of her
  666. 30:05police already knew this Emil wish to
  667. 30:08leave Victoria and begin a new life with
  668. 30:11Stephanie kala in fact on the 7th of
  669. 30:14January 2015
  670. 30:16police uncovered attacks to Stephanie
  671. 30:19where Emil informed her that as of April
  672. 30:21he'd be able to be more spontaneous was
  673. 30:25this because he'd been carefully
  674. 30:27plotting his wife's murder they knew he
  675. 30:30was unhappy in his marriage to Victoria
  676. 30:32but ultimately the reason the meal
  677. 30:35wanted rid of his wife was the same
  678. 30:37motive thousands of people use each year
  679. 30:40to murder their spouse money the root of
  680. 30:44all evil it was discovered by a
  681. 30:47financial analyst that Emile's that
  682. 30:49mounted to over 22 thousand pound and
  683. 30:53the analyst would soon go on to uncover
  684. 30:55that not wrong before the two attempted
  685. 30:58murders on his wife Emil Silius had
  686. 31:01increased both their life-insurance
  687. 31:02policies it's one hundred and twenty
  688. 31:05thousand pound
  689. 31:07this meant the diffict Oriya had died he
  690. 31:10would have gained access to the hundred
  691. 31:12and twenty thousand pound from her life
  692. 31:14insurance policy which would have been
  693. 31:16enough money to pay off his mounting
  694. 31:18debts and build a new life abroad with
  695. 31:21Stephanie now police had enough evidence
  696. 31:24to prove Emil Silius had attempted to
  697. 31:27murder his wife on two separate
  698. 31:29occasions he had the opportunity to
  699. 31:32perpetrate both attempts and they'd also
  700. 31:35proved he had a strong enough motive to
  701. 31:38commit the murder but just when police
  702. 31:40believed they had a strong case against
  703. 31:43Emil sylia's their concerns around their
  704. 31:45star witness
  705. 31:46Victoria zillions grew and they began
  706. 31:49speculating whether she would testify
  707. 31:51against her husband if victorious still
  708. 31:55refused to accept that her husband had
  709. 31:58attempted to murder her and she refused
  710. 32:00to testify for the prosecution police
  711. 32:03had to ask themselves whether they would
  712. 32:05be able to secure a conviction
  713. 32:07nevertheless police pursued their case
  714. 32:10against Emil cilia's
  715. 32:13two and a half years after Victoria's
  716. 32:15near-fatal crash in September 2017 Emil
  717. 32:21sylia's was charged with two counts of
  718. 32:23attempted murder and the trial commenced
  719. 32:26on the 11th of October that year at
  720. 32:28Winchester Crown Court Emil maintained
  721. 32:31his innocence however police remained
  722. 32:34fairly confident that they'd be able to
  723. 32:37prove the solidity of their case against
  724. 32:39him
  725. 32:40their confidence however would falter
  726. 32:43when Victoria took to the witness box
  727. 32:46I wasn't expecting that you go with
  728. 32:48Albany Hughes him I did expect her to go
  729. 32:50along and just say what she said in the
  730. 32:52interviews and then she points of all
  731. 32:54such areas and then she just went off
  732. 32:58Flynn said you know the police lied to
  733. 33:01me and I want to change the story and
  734. 33:03the police won't allow me to do that and
  735. 33:05you just sit there just like as really
  736. 33:07literally really difficult to hear it's
  737. 33:09just sitting there going like this this
  738. 33:11is not true this we never did that she
  739. 33:14we never liked you she's not saying
  740. 33:16Emile's innocent but she's slightly in
  741. 33:20the investigation effectively well
  742. 33:22that's hard to hear it appeared that
  743. 33:24Victoria was under a meal spell and
  744. 33:26essentially brainwashed by her husband
  745. 33:29into believing his innocence
  746. 33:31this just increased the prosecution's
  747. 33:33requirement to present an extremely
  748. 33:36solid case against him a task which they
  749. 33:39weren't afraid to conduct at the same
  750. 33:42time however di Paul Franklin knew that
  751. 33:46the jury would take Victoria's testimony
  752. 33:48into consideration and her had to
  753. 33:51question as to whether the jury would be
  754. 33:53able to find a meal silliest guilty of
  755. 33:55attempted murder beyond a reasonable
  756. 33:57doubt based on her testimony and Paul's
  757. 34:01fears were confirmed when the jury
  758. 34:03failed to come to a decision on a male's
  759. 34:05guilt or innocence this was a
  760. 34:08devastating play for police they'd
  761. 34:11worked tirelessly for two and a half
  762. 34:13years for a conviction against him and
  763. 34:15due to Victoria's testimony against the
  764. 34:18prosecution it was a hung jury as the
  765. 34:21jury hadn't acquitted a meal however the
  766. 34:24prosecution were permitted another trial
  767. 34:26and the police had to work with the
  768. 34:28prosecution to ensure their case against
  769. 34:31a meal with bulletproof in the first
  770. 34:34trial di Franklin had decided not to
  771. 34:37submit all the evidence they'd found
  772. 34:39against a meal searching for and talking
  773. 34:42to sex workers regularly visiting porn
  774. 34:45sites and attending swingers clubs in an
  775. 34:48attempt to diminish Victoria's public
  776. 34:50humiliation however with the first trial
  777. 34:54going so horribly wrong di Franklin felt
  778. 34:57he had no choice but to submit these
  779. 34:59into evidence to prove that a meal was
  780. 35:02constantly searching for sex workers the
  781. 35:06second trial began on the 11th of April
  782. 35:092018 three years after Victoria's
  783. 35:12near-fatal crash knowing Victoria would
  784. 35:16likely testify against the prosecution
  785. 35:19and accused the police of lying to her
  786. 35:21for a second time di Franklin built a
  787. 35:25detailed timeline demonstrating all the
  788. 35:28times the police had made contact with
  789. 35:30her at the end of the retrial
  790. 35:32everyone was on tenterhooks anxious for
  791. 35:36a meal silliest to be found guilty their
  792. 35:39prayers were answered
  793. 35:40and finally di Franklin and his teams
  794. 35:44three years of hard work had paid off
  795. 35:46and the jury were able to convict the
  796. 35:49meal cilia's for two counts of attempted
  797. 35:51murder against his wife naturally the
  798. 35:55police were ecstatic with this outcome
  799. 35:57however of this present in the courtroom
  800. 36:00appeared to be anything but
  801. 36:03and the foreman stands up and you just
  802. 36:05almost holding your breath and when he
  803. 36:09says guilty it's just like just released
  804. 36:12you saying yes I look across a meal and
  805. 36:15is just completely blank and no
  806. 36:17expression whatsoever I look at Victoria
  807. 36:19completely blank that expression
  808. 36:21whatsoever on the 15th of June 2018 mr.
  809. 36:26justice Sweeney told a meal cilia's that
  810. 36:29his crimes were quote wicked offending
  811. 36:33of extreme gravity and quit and went on
  812. 36:36to say quote your offending was
  813. 36:39extremely serious with your two attempts
  814. 36:42to murder your wife they were planned
  815. 36:44and carried out in cold blood for your
  816. 36:46own selfish purposes that your wife
  817. 36:49recovered at all was miraculous she
  818. 36:52undoubtedly suffered severe fiscal harm
  819. 36:54and she must have suffered psychological
  820. 36:56harm in the terror of The Fool and since
  821. 37:00she appears to have recovered from the
  822. 37:02physical harm but not having seen her in
  823. 37:05the witness box at length from the
  824. 37:07psychological harm and great he went on
  825. 37:11to sentence Emil to 18 years
  826. 37:13incarceration at Her Majesty's pleasure
  827. 37:15for both times he attempted to murder
  828. 37:18his wife and for endangering his
  829. 37:20children in the gas leak this was the
  830. 37:23best outcome police could have received
  831. 37:25with DI Paul Franklin stating quote from
  832. 37:29the outset Emil sylia's showed no
  833. 37:32remorse for what he had done he lied all
  834. 37:35the way through the two trials but in
  835. 37:37the end justice won out with the guilty
  836. 37:39verdicts and now a long prison sentence
  837. 37:43emile sylia's is dangerous he's a cold
  838. 37:46callous selfish man who cares only about
  839. 37:49money in his sexual conquests today's
  840. 37:52sentencing means that society is a
  841. 37:54little safer with him locked away
  842. 37:56I also hope this result means that there
  843. 37:59can now be some closure for his wife
  844. 38:01Victoria and her family who were victims
  845. 38:04in this which a police is dedicated in
  846. 38:08bringing offenders like sylia's to
  847. 38:10justice as well as giving help to those
  848. 38:12who find themselves in subtle abuse
  849. 38:15and coercive relationships like the one
  850. 38:18highlighted here often the abuse is not
  851. 38:21obvious because there may be no physical
  852. 38:23telltale science or injuries however a
  853. 38:26victim suffering emotional and financial
  854. 38:29abuse as in this case can be just as
  855. 38:32deeply traumatized and quite vast police
  856. 38:35were extremely satisfied with the result
  857. 38:37of the retrial and were ecstatic to
  858. 38:40finally receive justice for Victoria
  859. 38:42Victoria herself didn't receive the
  860. 38:46justice in such a positive manner in an
  861. 38:49interview with ITV she stated quote I've
  862. 38:52been through every emotion Under the Sun
  863. 38:55I've had plenty of time to think about
  864. 38:57things which is probably why and not
  865. 39:00overtly angry partly because I'm still
  866. 39:02in shock slightly stunned about the
  867. 39:05whole thing also I've got two young
  868. 39:07children and the sole carer for them I
  869. 39:09can't be angry bitter really emotional I
  870. 39:12need to keep an even keel for them and
  871. 39:15quote in another interview she stated
  872. 39:18quote I have to go I suppose with the
  873. 39:22verdict it's almost like peer pressure
  874. 39:24to conform my family friends everyone
  875. 39:28seems to think they know more than I do
  876. 39:30they see different evidence to me he'd
  877. 39:33been unfaithful
  878. 39:34he'd had issues with money but that is
  879. 39:37not attempted murder yes I'm hurt and
  880. 39:39angry but can I see him as capable of
  881. 39:42murder no end quote
  882. 39:47Amil Silius is an arrogant callous and
  883. 39:50dangerous man who showed no emotion
  884. 39:52regarding his wife's attempted murder
  885. 39:55and the manner in which he gravely
  886. 39:57endangered his own children
  887. 39:59the only time Emil displayed any emotion
  888. 40:02during the three year investigation was
  889. 40:05when he revealed the he'd broken up with
  890. 40:07his girlfriend Stephanie Kola however
  891. 40:09police believe this was just another
  892. 40:12attempt to manipulate them into
  893. 40:14believing he was something other than an
  894. 40:16emotionless monster
  895. 40:18police believe Emil Silius had coercive
  896. 40:21control over Victoria causing her
  897. 40:24maintained belief that it was
  898. 40:25inconceivable he was responsible for her
  899. 40:28attempted murder ultimately this case
  900. 40:32serves to prove the role police play in
  901. 40:34protecting the public and the tireless
  902. 40:37and sometimes thankless work they
  903. 40:39pretend to bring in the guilty
  904. 40:41individuals to justice
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