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0:00If it's not, we're going to fight
0:01somebody.
0:05Pause this.
0:07Start freeloading.
0:12How long does it take?
0:23I just want to know if it's working cuz
0:24it should be.
0:27I just want to know if it's working cuz
0:29it should be. Oh, okay, it is.
0:30It is. It is. It is.
0:34We
0:36pause this.
0:41Pause this. Okay, yeah. No, everything's
0:44working. We're good. We're good. We're
0:45good. We're good.
0:47Um
0:48So, now back to the scheduled
0:50programming.
0:53Oh my gosh, I'm going to give everybody
0:54like a second to
0:56to get in these shoes.
1:00for identification.
1:02We pause. We wait. My bad. My bad.
1:05Things just It broke.
1:07It broke.
1:15Hopefully everybody comes back.
1:26Fun times with technical difficulties.
1:36I'm so ready for this though.
1:42I I'm so ready.
1:45I'm going to go ahead and start.
1:47I'm going to start over now.
1:48We report McEntire.
1:49Thank you, Robert.
1:51Sir, would you tell us your full name
1:53and place of employment?
1:54Uh James Downing. I'm an investigator
1:57for the medical examiner's office,
1:58Volusia County, Uh Daytona Beach.
2:00And how long have you been employed with
2:02the medical examiner's office?
2:03For 5 years.
2:04Could you describe to the ladies and
2:06gentlemen of the jury some of the duties
2:07that you have as an investigator for the
2:09medical examiner's office?
2:11Objection, your honor.
2:14Overruled.
2:15Why I don't understand why he uh
2:18We uh we get the initial call
2:20Objection.
2:21advised by the police departments
2:23um
2:24uh of of a death
2:26that occurs within Volusia County that
2:27does not that is a uh
2:29other than uh shall I say of natural
2:32means.
2:32Objection, your honor.
2:33No, that's not an
2:34Overruled.
2:36Oh, he just keeps overruling everything,
2:38but I don't I I mean really I don't
2:40understand
2:44Okay, well we get the call from the uh
2:47police agency, whatever whoever it is,
2:49and then we determine uh from the phone
2:51call whether or not we will respond to
2:52the scene, investigate the scene along
2:54with the police agency to determine the
2:56manner and cause of death.
2:58Were you on duty on December 13th, 1989?
3:01Yes, sir, I was.
3:02And during the course
3:02He seems very cool, calm, and collected.
3:05and assist the police in the reclamation
3:07of a body that was found in the Ormond
3:09Beach area, Volusia County?
3:11Yes, sir, I did.
3:13Now, approach witness, your honor.
3:14Yes, sir.
3:15Yes, approach witness. Tell us what you
3:16think. Our needs to know.
3:20Is the defendant the same as the man
3:21here?
3:22Uh yes, sir.
3:25The defendant is the moment of the
3:26separate something.
3:27Yes, sir.
3:30The tea is still too hot.
3:33Okay.
3:36So, what is he approaching the witness
3:38with?
3:42Sir, let me show you what has been
3:43marked as an exhibit for identification
3:45purposes at this time. It states E2 for
3:48identification. Ask you if you can
3:49recognize that photograph.
3:51Uh yes, sir, I do.
3:52Is that a fair and accurate
3:53representation of the scene as you saw
3:55it
3:56on December the 13th, 1989?
3:58Yes, sir, it was.
3:59Let me show you, sir, what has been
4:00placed in evidence
4:02Excuse me, what is marked for
4:03identification purposes as States E4 for
4:05identification purposes. Ask you if that
4:08is a fair and accurate representation of
4:09the scene as you saw it at that time.
4:11Yes, sir, it is.
4:17Surprised that they don't show like
4:19you, sir, what has been placed
4:20previously introduced in evidence and
4:21admitted as States
4:22as States A1 and A2, a composite
4:25exhibit. Ask you if you can recognize
4:27those photographs.
4:29Yes.
4:30Are they fair and accurate
4:31representations of the scene that you
4:32were describing to the jury that you
4:33went to on December the 13th, 1989?
4:36Yes, sir, they are.
4:38Let me show you also for the purpose of
4:39the
4:40my thinking cap on.
4:42States E composite 5.
4:50This is my thing. Why is he there?
4:52Because, honestly, it seems to me like
4:55she's not denying that she killed them.
4:58you, sir, what is in marked as States L
5:021 and 2.
5:04Do you recognize those photographs?
5:05Yes, sir, I do.
5:06Those along with the other photographs
5:08that I've shown you at this time, do
5:09they fairly and accurately represent the
5:11scene as you saw it on December the
5:1213th, 1989?
5:13Yes, they do.
5:15Lastly, let me show you, sir, what is in
5:17marked as States Q for identification
5:19purposes. Recognize that photograph.
5:21Yes, I do.
5:22And sir, does that photograph fairly and
5:24accurately represent the scene as you
5:25saw it on December the 13th, 1989?
5:27Yes, sir, it does.
5:29Okay.
5:29If I may, sir.
5:34Can you describe
5:37the scene as you observed it for the
5:38first time
5:40That Monopoly man mustache.
5:43of the human remains when you arrived?
5:45No no to the witness refreshing himself
5:48with the photographs it any other
5:49document if he needs to.
5:51Okay. No ruling right now on this.
5:52I said no objection, Judge Eisenberg.
5:54I heard you say that.
5:54All right.
5:55Why?
5:56Yeah, if you'd like to, that's fine with
5:58us.
5:59Can you describe the scene as you
6:00observed it when you arrived on
6:01September 13th?
6:03Okay. Um
6:04the scene was a wooded area off of uh
6:08US1, approximately 1/2 of a mile north
6:11of uh I-95 um in Volusia County.
6:16It was um
6:18off of the southbound side and there is
6:20a trail which um is represented by this
6:24photo that we that we showed here and
6:26this is quite relatively accurate as
6:28objection to the publication at this
6:31time. You're not showing the picture.
6:32Okay.
6:33Well, then describe what you observed.
6:34Okay.
6:35There was a trail leading off into the
6:36woods, which was the first thing I saw.
6:39From the road.
6:39Okay. Yeah, that's fair.
6:40What if anything did you see after
6:42making those initial observations?
6:45Well, I met with the the sheriff's
6:46deputies that were there and they told
6:47me that uh you know, you had to follow
6:49the trail back in for a short ways and
6:51that uh that's where the the body was
6:53that they had reported to me over the
6:55phone.
6:55Did you see anyone there other than law
6:56enforcement officials at that time?
7:00Uh
7:02and upon my initial response um
7:04When you When you When you arrived
7:05When I arrived there initially
7:07I'm not absolutely positive. There was
7:08some news media there later, but I don't
7:09know when I got there at what point they
7:11they arrived.
7:12Okay, sir. But in relationship to where
7:13the body was, were they in the immediate
7:15area?
7:15No. No, just up by the roadway. There
7:16there was a um
7:19line placed across the uh entrance and
7:21they weren't allowed to pass.
7:22What do you mean by a line?
7:24Uh just a crime scene line uh
7:26you know, either
7:28um
7:29just mark it so nobody could go past
7:31this particular point.
7:32Was that to keep unauthorized personnel
7:33from coming in contaminating a possible
7:35scene?
7:35Yeah, that's correct.
7:37Rephrase the question. You know the
7:39purpose of that cordon being set up?
7:42Yeah, it's to keep unauthorized
7:44personnel off the scene.
7:45Thanks, sir.
7:46All right.
7:47Did you follow the trail at the scene?
7:48I mean, he was kind of leading. He was.
7:51I agree with that.
7:52Do you have any way of knowing whether
7:52you fairly and accurately depict what
7:54you observed?
7:55Yes, they do.
7:56What was the condition of the actual
7:59location where the body was in
8:00relationship to anything
8:02in the way of a covering?
8:05I don't
8:05Jackson leading you on.
8:07Thank you, Your Honor.
8:09Connect.
8:10Okay.
8:10Uh when I arrived, there was a
8:12He's like, I don't know what they want
8:14from me.
8:15in the natural foliage
8:17that was covered by a um maroon with a
8:20black trim
8:22rug, the type that you see in front of a
8:23business, the type that they take on and
8:25off in uh and clean in the back of front
8:27of a business. It was a good size rug,
8:29and it almost completely covered
8:31uh
8:32the body that was eventually um removed
8:34from underneath the rug.
8:36Uh at this time, Your Honor, the state
8:38would offer equipment previously marked
8:39as exhibits
8:41in evidence.
8:48Yeah, that's
8:49With the court's permission, may the
8:50clerk mark
8:51I don't know if you Yeah, let her mark
8:52one, the one that I admitted, the one
8:55Then I admit one.
8:57Yes, they had no objection, Your Honor,
8:58as I understood it, to E2.
9:00E2, no objection, Your Honor.
9:02E2.
9:05That's the one you have to mark in
9:06evidence.
9:07That would be state's exhibit nine.
9:09Let the clerk mark it, Your Honor.
9:11Yes, sir.
9:14Sir, what you have previously identified
9:17as scenes
9:19See, I wish I could read lips.
9:20location on December the 13th, 1989, for
9:23the record as being state's E5
9:25composite.
9:26I wish I could read lips, cuz I would be
9:28Q and L2.
9:29Interesting.
9:30Yeah, look. Okay.
9:32I need to I need to bring this up again,
9:34because I think it is wrong how they did
9:37her.
9:39Look at this [ __ ] They didn't even
9:41dress her up. They didn't fix her up.
9:43They did kind of here, but look at that
9:46[ __ ] hair.
9:48You mean to tell me that you couldn't
9:50put some curlers in her hair
9:53or anything or give her a little bit of
9:56makeup? You're her defense attorney.
10:00The [ __ ]
10:02Like
10:04What the [ __ ] Most people go and they
10:06they're dressed nicely when they go to
10:08court because the way that somebody
10:11appears in court makes a difference.
10:16I don't know. It was [ __ ] up.
10:21Great.
10:23Exactly. And you can't even give her
10:25like nice outfit to put on during her
10:27trial. You I mean again, they did for
10:31her testimony.
10:33But why not anywhere else?
10:37Anyways.
10:38Is the timer on?
10:39I digress.
10:41Someone last time was like, "It's not a
10:43fashion show." But like it makes a
10:44difference when you're in court trying
10:47to plead your case.
10:49It has now been admitted as state's nine
10:51in evidence.
10:53And what was previously admitted as
10:54state's eight one in evidence.
10:56Was that the condition of
10:58the scene when you first arrived?
11:00I want to know what his him as a lawyer.
11:03Cuz he seems to be doing a lot.
11:07I want to know what his name is.
11:09Hersha Jenkins. Yeah, she was
11:12the main one.
11:22What?
11:26Hold up. Pause.
11:31Deliberately stalling the case.
11:38She was 35?
11:45She was 46 when she died. She looks much
11:48older than 46.
11:52Wow. Okay, sorry. I went down a tangent.
11:55Anyways, let's proceed.
11:57I was interested.
11:59And there are subsequent to the
12:03rug being
12:03Yeah, no. She rode hard and put up wet.
12:06Like she had a rough life. Which I mean,
12:08she did since she was four.
12:12I I believe it was in
12:13combination of the body and the rug
12:15itself.
12:16So the
12:17That's not old to be
12:19no longer here.
12:20of who actually removed the rug at this
12:22point. No.
12:22Okay. Were you present when the
12:23Yes, I was.
12:24And you document the condition of the
12:26body as you saw it
12:28while while the rug was being removed
12:30and subsequent to the rug being removed?
12:32Yes, I I took photographs at every
12:34stage.
12:34What was the condition of the body when
12:36you first observed it after the rug had
12:38been removed from it?
12:40Uh
12:40In which way was the face
12:42in relationship with the ground?
12:44It was laying uh
12:45face down on the ground.
12:47Is that represented fairly in State's 10
12:50for identification?
12:52Well, when we first removed the rug,
12:54there was either one or two cardboard
12:58pieces of cardboard that were laying
12:59over the cross of the top of the back,
13:01which is represented right in here the
13:03when they were removed. But after they
13:05were removed, this accurately represents
13:07the position of the body. The body was
13:08not moved, just the things that were on
13:10top of it.
13:11So we put the positioning of the body as
13:13you observed it after those articles
13:14were disposed, is this a fair and
13:15accurate representation?
13:16That is correct, yes.
13:18Now, did it come a point in time
13:21Judge may we publish these at this time
13:23to the
13:23Yes, sir.
13:25Those are admitted in evidence.
13:26Yes, sir. That's 8 and 9 your honor.
13:31Your honor, that would be number 10 that
13:33was admitted by the court.
13:35Numbers 8, 1, and
13:389.
13:41They're publishing. What does it mean to
13:42publish it?
13:43Subject to pre-disposition.
13:44Oh, I guess show it to the jury.
13:47Okay, I need to Google that cuz I
13:50I am not a lawyer.
13:55Oh.
14:01Oh, okay. So, basically
14:03they're okay. That makes more sense.
14:05They got to basically ask permission to
14:07give it to the jury at that point.
14:10We proceed.
14:11We proceed cuz
14:12we needed to know.
14:14What if anything you did in relationship
14:17to removal of the body and what you
14:18observed?
14:21Okay, um
14:25The standard procedure in this and what
14:27we did in this particular situation was
14:28is that we lay a sheet on the ground
14:32alongside of the body.
14:34And it
14:36it was rolled over or picked up and set
14:38down over onto the sheet.
14:40have so many This is not anything to do
14:42with anything, but he has so many rings
14:44on.
14:46What are these rings? So, obviously
14:47one's a wedding ring and what's the
14:48other?
14:49white t-shirt and a cordovan type maroon
14:53shoes, leather type shoes, and
14:55blue socks.
14:56Describe whether or not the body had a
14:58belt buckle on.
15:00A belt, excuse me.
15:03The um
15:06Yeah, look at the pictures.
15:07was a brown leather belt.
15:08What was the condition of the
15:09individual's pants?
15:12They were um
15:14Okay, go eat dinner, friend.
15:16Go and enjoy your dinner. I'm just
15:18watching a court case about the murderer
15:20who is long gone now.
15:22um the pockets of the were turned inside
15:24out
15:26So that I'm interested, so.
15:29Yes.
15:30That was immediately upon the body being
15:31turned over?
15:32Yes. Yes, sir.
15:34How about the individual zipper? Did you
15:35look at it at that time?
15:39No, I didn't I didn't observe that, no.
15:41Was anything done to disturb in any way
15:44the individual's clothing
15:46as you removed the body?
15:47No.
15:49Those photographs states Q, states L,
15:51and states E5 fairly inaccurately depict
15:54the body as you first observed it in the
15:56downward position and then after it was
15:58rolled over
15:59into the upper position.
16:01Yes, sir, they do.
16:02And that do they fairly accurately
16:04depict the condition of the pants, the
16:06shirt,
16:07and the belt, as well as the zipper that
16:09is contained in the photograph?
16:11So.
16:11Yes, sir, they do.
16:13Now, what if anything did you do
16:15with the individual that you found at
16:18the scene on that day?
16:20What is the next procedure?
16:22Uh
16:23we then place a um
16:25body bag that we use for removal
16:28and the sheet is wrapped around the body
16:31and then the body in the sheet is placed
16:33into the body bag and the zipper is
16:35placed closed on it for the removal,
16:38which we did at this at this scene.
16:40And now once the body is removed, where
16:41does it go?
16:45Normally we take it to Halifax Hospital.
16:48The medical examiner is a lot more
16:50consistent with his answers than the
16:52officer.
16:53Due to the advanced state of the
16:55decomposition in this particular case,
16:57we have rules with Halifax that we
16:59couldn't do that, so it was removed and
17:00placed in the cooler at Bellevue Cedar
17:02Hill Funeral Home for the night.
17:04And did you attend the autopsy in regard
17:06to the remains that were found at the
17:08scene on December the 13th, '89, the
17:11following day?
17:11The following day, yes, sir, I did.
17:13Let me show you, sir, what is marked for
17:14exhibit purposes as states M1 through 4.
17:17May I approach, sir?
17:19Sure.
17:27Sir, do you recognize those photographs?
17:29Yes, I do.
17:30Are those photographs fair and accurate
17:32representations of the remains that were
17:35removed from the scene on December 13th,
17:371989 to the medical examiner's office
17:39for autopsying purposes on December the
17:4114th, 1989?
17:42Yes, they are.
17:43I feel like these are all the
17:45It is.
17:46Are they fair and accurate
17:47representations
17:48prosecution's star witnesses.
17:49of the autopsy procedures themselves
17:51beginning?
17:51Yes.
17:51I'm I'm always interested in hearing how
17:54they respond to the opposition because
17:56that's really where you get a lot of
17:58what their personality is.
18:00Are they still in substantially the same
18:02condition as they were when you first
18:03saw them at the scene on December the
18:0513th, 1989?
18:06Yes, that's exactly the same way they
18:08were.
18:08Were they not disturbed or removed in
18:09any
18:10No, sir, they were not.
18:14Now, can you describe, sir, what if any
18:16procedure would have followed by the
18:17medical examiner's office
18:20in regard to Mr. Mr. Mallory's
18:25From the from this point here?
18:26Yes, sir.
18:27Okay, we would um
18:32uh Dr. Boning, the medical examiner at
18:34that time, would have uh
18:36instructed us uh after these photographs
18:39were taken uh to remove the clothing.
18:42Uh which was done and um
18:47Well, it was taken in
18:48uh sections. The first thing to have
18:50been removed in this case would have
18:51been the shirt.
18:55By the shirt.
18:55Do you know what if anything was done
18:56with the shirt?
18:57By the shirt.
18:58It was uh placed into a uh paper bag.
19:02It was and mark the bag was marked and
19:04sealed.
19:06Uh and all of the clothing at the uh at
19:08the end of the autopsy was turned over
19:10to the Volusia County Sheriff's
19:11Department.
19:13Are you familiar with investigator Law?
19:15Yes, sir.
19:15Do you know whether or not you turned
19:16the bag over to him?
19:17Yeah, everything everything all the
19:18evidence in this case was turned over to
19:19Jim Law.
19:22I don't really understand what his
19:24purpose is, like what he's showing for
19:26the prosecution other than yes, this man
19:29is dead, which we knew.
19:31The shirt, the pants, the shoes, and the
19:32socks were all turned over to Jim Law on
19:35that day 12 14 of 89.
19:39Now, were you present at the room in the
19:40old hospital?
19:41Yes, sir, I was.
19:42And during the course of that autopsy,
19:43were the victim's hands removed for
19:45fingerprint identification purposes?
19:46Yes, they were.
19:47And whose hand and to whom did you give
19:50those hands?
19:51Uh I released them also to investigator
19:53Jim Law.
19:54And subsequent to
19:56Do we see Jim Law in this?
19:59given back to your office as to the
20:00identity of the victim, Mr. Mallory?
20:02Yes, they were.
20:03And was his death certified by the
20:04medical examiner's office?
20:06Yes, it
20:08Mr. Mallory.
20:09Yes, sir, Richard Charles Mallory.
20:10Uh-huh.
20:11Your honor, I want to ask the witness
20:12who was involved in the certification.
20:13Yeah, I'm interested in this one.
20:18Sir, I'll follow through with that
20:19autopsy.
20:20Where is
20:23Eileen's portion?
20:24Please the court at this time, the state
20:26would offer
20:27what has been previously introduced as
20:29an exhibit.
20:32What's this? What's this? Oops.
20:37Here we judge, at this time state will
20:38not make any tender at this time.
20:41Wait, are there more
20:44than just the 12? But, there's a lot of
20:46parts to this.
20:47any further testing
20:48I don't know that we're going to be able
20:49to watch all of these.
20:52Would we be offended if I just skipped?
20:55I honestly
20:57I'm more interested in
20:59Tateria's.
21:02Let's watch hers. That's what I'm
21:04interested in. the main buyer?
21:06Ma'am, would you tell us your full name,
21:08please?
21:09I don't want to watch anymore.
21:11How are you? 29.
21:13She's 29?
21:16So, hold
21:18up.
21:18Hold up. Wait a minute.
21:28So, well, she would have been
21:33What was her age? She said it's about
21:35what? 46?
21:36Let's math that.
21:39So, 46 minus 29. That's a 17-year age
21:43difference and you didn't find that
21:45concerning?
21:46And who do you live with?
21:47My sister.
21:49Was there a time that you lived uh in
21:51the state of Florida in the Daytona
21:53Beach area?
21:53Yes.
21:55I'd like to ask you if you know an
21:57Aileen Carol Wuornos, also known as Lee.
22:00Yes, I do.
22:01Did you know that individual under any
22:03other names?
22:04Uh yes, I did.
22:05And
22:06The name LaHovic one of the names you
22:07knew her as?
22:08Yes.
22:09You know her as the as the name Grody?
22:12Yes.
22:13Did you ever know her to use the name
22:14Cammie Marsh Green?
22:16Yes.
22:19How was it that you knew
22:21this woman that you described as Aileen
22:24Carol Wuornos with the aliases that you
22:26you told us about?
22:27Objection, aliases.
22:29Objection overruled. Answer the question
22:31if you can.
22:31How was it that you came to know her?
22:33I met her in a bar.
22:35And did it come a point in time in your
22:37life that
22:39you and she formed a relationship?
22:41Yes, we did.
22:42How long did that relationship last?
22:45About 4 and 1/2 years.
22:47And could you describe the relationship
22:49to us
22:50um in regards to um
22:53your living arrangements, um
22:56your working arrangements, things of
22:58that nature.
22:59Well, we We
23:00as lovers.
23:03And I I worked quite a bit and she
23:05worked as a prostitute.
23:08During the time that you were living
23:09with the defendant
23:09Interesting.
23:11Uh
23:12the type of employment that you
23:13primarily engaged in
23:14so cold.
23:16Um hotel work.
23:18Uh did you ever engage in prostitution?
23:21No.
23:22Actually never mind. Go ahead.
23:25You earned a salary?
23:27Yes.
23:28Went to work on a
23:29daily basis when you could find
23:30employment?
23:31Yes.
23:32Got a paycheck?
23:33Yes.
23:34Used that to support yourself and Ms.
23:36Wuornos?
23:37Yes.
23:38And shared in the household bills?
23:39Yes, I did.
23:40Leading your honor.
23:42Refrain from questions. What did you do
23:45with the money that you made from
23:47working
23:48at the hotel?
23:49I helped pay bills.
23:53And did during that period of time you
23:56and Ms. Wuornos live uh in one location
23:59throughout your relationship?
24:00Objection, leading your honor.
24:03I'm getting so sleepy. I can feel it.
24:06You can tell us.
24:07I'll watch the film.
24:08please?
24:10During the 4 years that you lived
24:11together,
24:12were you always in one place or did you
24:14move about?
24:14We moved around a lot.
24:17I'd like to take you back to December
24:19the 1st of 1989.
24:22Do you recall where you were living at
24:23that time?
24:24At the Ocean Shores Motel in Ormond
24:27Beach.
24:28And how long had you been at the Ocean
24:29Shores Motel on that occasion?
24:33Approximately a month.
24:35And did there come a time that you left
24:37the Ocean Shores Motel and moved to a
24:39Like everything she says is so flat and
24:41I don't really understand why.
24:44She sounds so cold when she's
24:461st of December.
24:47Testifying against someone that she was
24:49with for 4 and 1/2 years.
24:51As in during that period of time you see
24:54Aileen Wuornos on December the 1st,
24:571989?
24:58Yes, I did.
24:59Were were two living together at that
25:00time?
25:00Yes, we were.
25:02And where were you when you first saw
25:04her?
25:05And can you describe to us
25:07uh were you both at home at the same
25:08time or did you come home from work or
25:10were you going to work or was she coming
25:12back from a location? Explain that.
25:14I was in bed. It was early in the
25:16morning when she came in
25:18and I was still sleeping.
25:20Uh did you have a job at that time?
25:22Yes, I did.
25:22And what time did you have to go to
25:24work?
25:25I believe it was 9:00.
25:26And did you go to work on that day, if
25:28you recall?
25:28Yes, I did.
25:30Well, before you left
25:31you help her find a job?
25:32occasion to wake up?
25:34Obviously.
25:35Ob- yes, Lee came in.
25:37Okay.
25:38Can you describe to us uh what, if
25:40anything, you heard or what, if
25:41anything, she spoke about when she came
25:43in?
25:44Well, she came in and she had a car
25:46outside and said that we were going to
25:48move.
25:49And we moved that day.
25:52Where did you move?
25:53To Burley Avenue in Holly Hill.
25:57It's a lot of detail to remember.
25:59Can you describe, if you would,
26:01uh what type of vehicle it was that uh
26:03you moved with? And what First of all,
26:05was it your car?
26:06No.
26:07Uh did uh you ever see that car before
26:10that day?
26:11No, I hadn't.
26:12Did you ever see that car after that
26:13day?
26:16A photograph of it.
26:18But physically, in Ms. Warners'
26:19possession or your own?
26:22No, I never saw it after that day.
26:25I just
26:27There's something off about her.
26:33And I don't know if it's the fact that I
26:34know that she hid her lover murdering
26:38people
26:39And you have to get ready Were you
26:40expecting to move on that day?
26:42Not on that particular day, no.
26:45Okay, were your bags packed and ready to
26:46go?
26:47Uh there was some things packed because
26:48we had planned on moving.
26:51And can you describe to what if anything
26:53occurred during the process of your
26:56moving?
26:58We took all our possessions and put them
27:00in the car and
27:02moved them out
27:04Did the defendant Ms. Moreno tell you
27:07at that time where she had been?
27:10In the morning hours before you woke up?
27:12I just can't get myself coffee today.
27:14about anything that had happened?
27:15No.
27:18Did she say anything to her to to you
27:20about
27:21anything odd happening or anything
27:24horrible happening?
27:25Objection, asked and answered and
27:27leading the witness.
27:29Answer the question if you can.
27:31No.
27:33And was the move pretty much a a routine
27:35move from the Ocean Shores Motel to the
27:38Burley Avenue address?
27:39Yes.
27:40Um during that time can you tell us how
27:43you got there? Did you use this
27:45particular vehicle we're talking about?
27:46Yes, we did.
27:48And who drove the car?
27:51Who drove the car?
27:52Lee did.
27:54And can you describe how she was
27:55driving?
27:58Just
27:59regularly driving.
28:00Nothing abnormal about it?
28:02No.
28:03Can you describe if you will, please
28:07Describe Ms. Lee Moreno as you observed
28:09her after you woke up before you moved
28:12to the Burley Avenue from the Ocean
28:14Shores Motel.
28:15As best you can, what do you recall that
28:17morning to be like in your own words?
28:20Very busy getting stuff out of the
28:24the motel room moving it into the car.
28:28She seemed fine to me.
28:29here's the thing.
28:32I'm pretty sure she did.
28:35I'm pretty sure she did an interview at
28:37some point. We're going to skip around
28:39on this. There's
28:42things.
28:47I don't want to watch all of it.
28:55Huh, okay.
28:57I just want to see
29:01That was the anchor Eileen had been
29:03looking for.
29:04I don't know that she was gay. I think
29:06maybe she turned herself that way just
29:09to see if that life would work for her.
29:12The two women lived like nomads,
29:14changing homes frequently.
29:16I just want to see this interview.
29:19She and Ty would spend time watching
29:22television.
29:22I'm curious now. I'm curious. I'm sorry.
29:25But her anger was always
29:27She was so beautiful when she was young.
29:28There was numerous times that her and I
29:31would go to a grocery store
29:33and somebody would look at her wrong and
29:35she would just like fly off the handle
29:36at them.
29:38Like, you know, what are you looking at
29:39me for and
29:41and it was just it was very embarrassing
29:42a lot of times.
29:44Despite Eileen's temper, Ty stayed with
29:47her.
29:48But why?
29:50I I just I guess I don't really
29:51understand.
29:53I want to see more Eileen. I'm sorry.
29:55I'm like jumping all over the place.
29:57Cuz I'm just
29:59interested.
30:00That's 30 minutes.
30:02I don't want to do that.
30:06This should be good.
30:10I don't want to watch this one. Let's
30:11watch some interviews of her. I don't
30:12know. I'm just kind of like that trial.
30:14I didn't realize how long it was.
30:17It's going to take us forever.
30:18that seven men met the madness of one
30:21angry woman.
30:23Aileen Wuornos murdered them,
30:25Okay, I don't
30:27and then
30:28I know that's
30:32These men were shot just just shot and
30:35so she said boom boom boom, you know.
30:36They weren't cut up. They weren't sliced
30:37up. No O.J. jazz, you know.
30:39And he said, "I did the most horrendous
30:42crime in the whole wide world."
30:45Not true?
30:47I guess not.
30:48All they were was shot and left.
30:52If it was a horrendous crime, why didn't
30:53I shoot them between the eyes, cut their
30:55penis off, stick it in their mouth, you
30:56know, do all kinds of gross stuff.
30:59All they were was shot and left, you
31:02know?
31:03She was being called the devil
31:05think that's exactly good.
31:07from hell.
31:08But embellishment aside, the story of
31:11history's first female serial killer is
31:14macabre enough, even without its
31:16supporting cast of characters.
31:19Oh, oh, oh, yes.
31:21I'm a public defender.
31:24First, there's Lee Warloss's lawyer.
31:27She's given him the job of getting her
31:29to the electric chair.
31:31want to plead out, that's what I'm all
31:35about.
31:35Why is he doing this?
31:36Just sign this no contest plea.
31:41Then there's the serial killer's new
31:43mother.
31:44She befriended Lee after her arrest and
31:47then legally adopted her.
31:50She What?
31:51You know, we believe in the Holy Spirit
31:53and so we feel it was him prompting us
31:56that this
31:56What?
31:58This woman adopted her?
32:01So we did.
32:01[ __ ] excuse me?
32:03blog.
32:11What?
32:18I I'm sorry. I
32:30I just
32:33I don't understand. She adopted a serial
32:36killer? Who does that? Who says, you
32:38know what?
32:39betrayed A serial killer needs love.
32:43I just don't get it.
32:46Don't get it.
32:56Yeah.
33:01I kind of don't blame her.
33:17I don't know if that's neither here nor
33:19there.
33:29Rough.
33:30Rough stuff.
33:41Yeah, sorry.
33:45Okay, I want to see more Eileen. I don't
33:46really care about it.
33:48We've been there, done that.
34:31Is this a reenactment?
34:33The killings all began
34:35I'm sorry, what was
34:36A middle-aged man
34:37Not appropriate. She killed people. But
34:40what was this transition?
34:42There are two facts on which everyone
34:44agrees.
34:45The way Lee tells it, she was just a
34:47hooker trying to turn a trick.
34:49Okay.
34:50knew it.
34:51The state of Florida maintains she
34:53tricked her victims by posing as a
34:55damsel in distress. The men thought they
34:58were helping her out.
35:00Helping her out?
35:02The fact on which everyone agrees is
35:04that Aileen Wuornos shot them dead.
35:07Maybe you were just born bad. How do you
35:10Boy, I don't know about you. I'm telling
35:12you, man. No, I wasn't born bad.
35:15That [ __ ] happened.
35:16Same time telling you, man, they lied.
35:18They lied so bad to you all.
35:20But you've been convicted of killing
35:22seven men.
35:23Everybody's looking at the number.
35:25Does that not you
35:27You killed seven men, seven strangers.
35:29Does that not make you a serial killer?
35:31didn't kill them every day, did I? Did I
35:33go out there every day and say, "Mhm,
35:35I'm going to kill him." If I did, there
35:36would
35:36Well, no, it took you 12 months.
35:38Yeah. And and and that's a hell of a lot
35:40of men I went through before the next
35:43jerk came along and
35:44I mean
35:45like a condom.
35:47So it was self
35:48It was self-defense.
35:50Yeah.
35:51Lee, the first one, perhaps the second
35:53maybe, but seven times?
35:57She worked as a highway hooker, what do
35:58you mean? Why does everybody think that
36:01that's like so unreasonable of a number?
36:04day of her miserable life
36:05Or something like that. They're These
36:07men are already coming and getting a
36:09prostitute.
36:10Close to broke as usual.
36:11They're already doing that.
36:14What makes people think that these men
36:16are
36:17just good men?
36:19On this day, that was made easier by two
36:21undercover
36:22Not the jukebox, baby.
36:26I don't like this interviewer.
36:28I'm digging it.
36:29up home.
36:31I'm digging up home.
36:33Aileen was prepared for anything, but
36:36the six Florida police officers who
36:38arrested her.
36:39It was from this point the story of the
36:41first female serial killer becomes truly
36:45perplexing.
36:45I mean.
36:47First, her videotaped confession.
36:53"Go ahead and put the electric chair to
36:56me. I should have never done it." She
36:57told police.
37:00I mean, that's fair.
37:01of her trial, she was pleading
37:03self-defense.
37:05She loved you, didn't she?
37:06Yes.
37:08She said she'd do anything for you,
37:10didn't she?
37:11Yes, she did.
37:12Her case wasn't helped by the more
37:15now very much her ex-lover turned star
37:18witness for the prosecution.
37:20She was a star witness.
37:22wanted her to. She lied to you.
37:25Right?
37:25Yes.
37:26But it gets worse. Tyria had another
37:29deal going with the arresting police.
37:31They were trying to sell Hollywood the
37:33movie rights to Aileen Wuornos's life
37:36and crazy times.
37:38Why did you lie to her about those
37:41numbers?
37:41What?
37:43Cuz I wanted her to keep talking
37:45about the offenses so I would be
37:47cleared.
37:48District Attorney Rick Ridgeway is one
37:50of the only
37:51She [ __ ] her over, which I mean, she
37:53did murder people.
37:55The police said
37:56that, but damn.
37:59There was a tremendous amount of
38:02Selling the rights to her story?
38:04On her story.
38:06A scoop on the next guy about the case,
38:09and there were so many people who were
38:12willing to pander to that in an order to
38:15be the one who gets quoted or who gets
38:17the movie made about them.
38:18People from your own sheriff's office?
38:20Well, unfortunately, yes, they did.
38:23As the prosecutor,
38:25were you dismayed by that?
38:27Well, to put it mildly, we went through
38:29the roof when we found out about it.
38:32Oh, really?
38:34In the end, it was only the producers of
38:36this American TV movie who were able to
38:38cash in on Lee's story. Tyrie
38:41They did eventually make a movie about
38:43her.
38:43get rich quick came to nothing once they
38:45were caught.
38:48But, that hasn't stopped Lee Werners
38:50suspecting that someone, somewhere,
38:53wants to exploit her name.
38:56Yeah.
38:56making me get
38:58bitter,
38:59evil, angry I've never been before in my
39:02life.
39:03Wow.
39:04even out there with those men.
39:06This is evil what those people have done
39:08to me.
39:09Do you feel anger or even hatred towards
39:12men?
39:12I never hated men,
39:14but now I do.
39:16Oh, wow.
39:16They're all I have a category.
39:18I hate those male
39:21God.
39:22I hate those males.
39:24So, what you mean, girl?
39:25Cops.
39:27Real bad cuz they're dirt balls.
39:30Are they?
39:30Cops,
39:31the judges, lawyers, they're all male. I
39:34have made peace with my Lord and I have
39:36asked forgiveness.
39:37The final twist in this already mad tale
39:41was when Lee Werners decided to plead no
39:44contest to the remaining six murder
39:46charges.
39:48you in case number 91-463
39:51to death for the murder of Troy Burris.
39:54Her lawyer, Steve Glazer, found himself
39:56in the bizarre position of helping his
39:59client take the express route to the
40:02electric chair.
40:03And
40:04I sentence you to death for the murder
40:05of David Spears.
40:07I think she was ready, though.
40:09Thank you.
40:10And
40:11I'll be see
40:13I'll be up in heaven while y'all rotting
40:14in hell.
40:15In effect, though, weren't you say that
40:17Hey, it's
40:19ma'am.
40:19It's not what I was trying to do, okay?
40:22Uh it's what she wanted to have done to
40:24her.
40:25She was tired of being in the spotlight.
40:27She was tired of reporters and
40:30uh
40:31police and lawyers, everyone making a
40:33career off of her.
40:35She did not like the man-hating
40:38killer label. She didn't like the
40:40lesbian killer angle. She didn't like
40:43what people were saying about her. And
40:44she knows if she goes to go to trial
40:46five more times,
40:48Yeah.
40:48she's going to be in the for the next 10
40:50years.
40:50Do you still believe she was competent
40:52to make that decision?
40:53Without a doubt.
40:55Okay, there will be an automatic appeal.
40:57You have the right to an appeal. Mr.
40:58Glazer, is that going to be handled by
41:00you or the
41:00and your wife and kids get raped.
41:02I would ask that you would appoint
41:04office. Okay, I'll
41:06I'll appoint the public defender's
41:07office to handle the appeal. There's one
41:10other thing that I want to say that I
41:11think needs to be said.
41:13I know I was raped. You ain't nothing
41:14but a bunch of scums.
41:16Therefore, these proceedings are now
41:17complete.
41:17Putting somebody who was raped to death
41:24Do you still want the chair?
41:26There's no sense
41:28in
41:29having me tormented for the rest of my
41:31life
41:32when I don't deserve to be tormented.
41:35True.
41:35what anybody else would do. And so
41:38there's only clemency or the chair. You
41:39make your pick, people, cuz that's the
41:41only way it's going to be.
41:43Why did you adopt Lee Won Ah?
41:45That's my question.
41:46and one reason only. We wanted her to
41:48know what it felt like to be part of a
41:50family.
41:50Born-again Christian Ali and Prawley has
41:53a fondness for adopting stray animals.
41:56When she adopted
41:57Did they just compare her to a stray
41:59animal?
42:01Now she'd be happy just to keep her
42:03alive.
42:04Oh no. Okay, that's about enough. There
42:06you go.
42:07Well, tell me this. How did you counsel
42:09Lee?
42:11I told I told her to go for the life in
42:14prison. I told her that that would be
42:16the best. I told her that God could use
42:19her within the prison
42:20to help other girls that were hurting
42:22you.
42:22She seems like a good woman, but
42:25and that she could really be used
42:26mightily there. And
42:28we fought bitterly over it. She said
42:30that no human being had the right to
42:32tell another human being what to do with
42:33their life.
42:34Stop the murder and
42:36True. Okay, okay, friend. Do what you
42:38got to do. I'm just going to watch a
42:39couple more of these and then I'm going
42:40to bed.
42:44Not the three heart attacks he's
42:46suffered since taking on this case.
42:49Nor the criticism he's endured for
42:51seeking Aileen Wuornos' execution.
42:53They're making him look like a bad
42:55lawyer.
43:01Has this case been good for your career?
43:04I don't understand.
43:05But that's life, you know, you take a
43:07deal a deal life goes on you try
43:08something else.
43:09Is there anyone in this cast of
43:11characters who isn't a little bit crazy,
43:13a little bit eccentric?
43:15I think you got to be a little wild to
43:16be in this business.
43:18Yeah.
43:18Steve Glazer has done his job. Aileen
43:20Wuornos could be executed in this chair
43:24within 3 years.
43:26She's waived her right to appeal.
43:29If he hears no last minute stays from
43:30the governor's office,
43:32the electrode then is placed on top of
43:34the inmate's head.
43:36It's an actual
43:36They ended up doing
43:38uh
43:39lethal injection.
43:41One of these electrodes here is then
43:44fastened onto the top of the headpiece.
43:47Ouch.
43:49Alone and lost in her own nightmare,
43:52Aileen Wuornos is an American horror
43:55story.
43:56Wow.
43:56She could escape death row, but her
43:58bitterness and hate will see Lee become
44:01the first woman in over a century to be
44:04executed in Florida.
44:07Aren't you afraid?
44:09No, I'm not afraid. I know where I'm
44:11going. I'm going to be with the Lord.
44:13Thank you, too.
44:14Take care of yourself and tell everybody
44:16I said hi.
44:17Wow.
44:18die?
44:19You want to die?
44:19Oh, man, if I if I was to leave this
44:22planet, it wouldn't be no big deal to me
44:24cuz this is a wicked wicked world.
44:27Wicked world.
44:28Wait, so many people did her wrong,
44:30honestly.
44:32Honestly, though.
44:33Hello, I'm Allison Lane.
44:35Okay, let's look at another one.
44:38The direct examination.
44:43Those 12 minutes, maybe. Maybe we do
44:45that. What's this?
44:48One day before execution.
44:49You know what, I'm just wondering how
44:51you'll
44:51Oh, yeah.
44:52You know at 9:30 tomorrow morning, are
44:54you
44:55prepared?
44:55I'm prepared.
44:58I'm all right. I'm all right with it.
45:02That's so sad that she's just okay with
45:03dying like that. Like, I don't know.
45:07I think it's so sad.
45:11I think I've watched this one.
45:13Wow.
45:15Yeah, I know. We watched that one and
45:16the interviewer was
45:19[ __ ] up.
45:20He's like, "Nope, it's 100% her. Can't
45:23believe that she
45:25even says all that." Like, he was just
45:28an [ __ ]
45:28a message that Aileen wanted me to come
45:30meet her at the local jail.
45:32She had something to say.
45:33He's He's a bad interviewer.
45:37Okay, I cannot go in the execution
45:39chamber and die in the execution chamber
45:42as a liar.
45:43And I cannot go in the execution chamber
45:45and be executed under the devil. I have
45:48to come clean and clean cleanse my
45:50spirit in the name of Jesus Christ.
45:53Um so, I have to come clean and tell the
45:56world
45:57the lies that went on through my mouth.
46:00I mean, that prosecutors and the cops
46:02and that you killed the seven men.
46:04Huh?
46:05That you killed those men in cold blood.
46:07Yeah, I got to come clean that I killed
46:09those seven men
46:11in first-degree murder and robbery.
46:14As they said, they had it right. A
46:16serial killer. Not so much like thrill
46:19kill. I was into the robbing biz.
46:22I mean, you know, serial killers are
46:23into thrill killing jazz. I was into the
46:25robbing. Just and eliminate a witness.
46:29But, still then again, I got a number,
46:30so it's serial killer.
46:32But, I'm coming clean before I go in
46:34that execution chamber and be executed
46:37that uh I killed them.
46:39And so, when you met them from the
46:40beginning, did you know that you were
46:42going to kill them?
46:44When they picked you up in their cars?
46:46I pretty much
46:49I had pretty much had them
46:51selected that they were going to die.
46:53But, when you're saying that um
46:58there was no self-defense.
47:00So, there was no self-defense.
47:02No, there was no self-defense.
47:04Uh
47:05I'm being really straight-up about
47:07everything. There's no self-defense. I'm
47:09really sorry what happened about
47:10everything. I I was in in this this To
47:13me, this world is nothing but evil and
47:16all of us are
47:16I don't know that that's entirely true.
47:20And whatever we do,
47:21we have evil in us. All of us do. And my
47:26evil was just happened to
47:29come out because of the circumstances of
47:32what I was doing. Hitchhiking, hooking,
47:35Mhm.
47:36on the road.
47:38I was a homeless person all my life. And
47:40then the hitchhiking hooking I learned
47:41off the homelessness and and cruising
47:44all over the United States of America
47:45and stuff.
47:46And so, learning how to be a hooker as a
47:49hitchhiker
47:50Right.
47:51eventually got tiring at in the end. I
47:54carried the gun for a protection, but
47:56then I got
47:57where I was getting a real problem and
47:59our rent was
48:00due, $1,200 behind. Tyra was doing a lot
48:04of beer drinking and stuff. She wanted
48:05to go out all the time, so she was
48:06burning up the money I was
48:07Do it.
48:09I I was making good, about two or three
48:11hundred a day sometimes. Sometimes I was
48:13earning fifty
48:13she know what you were doing?
48:15Oh, yeah. Tyra always knew everything I
48:17was doing.
48:18So, you were very close.
48:19Yeah, we were.
48:20All right.
48:21Aw, she's still smiling over there.
48:23miss her and I still love her.
48:25And
48:26I'm really and I'm really sorry about
48:28everything I done. I I miss Tyra. I lost
48:31Tyra over this.
48:32And then the people that lost their
48:34loved ones and everything. I I really
48:36think first about the people that lost
48:37their loved ones and then Tyra second.
48:40Cuz I have to put them in first on this
48:42whole thing. I'm really sorry for you
48:44know
48:46them losing their loved ones, man.
48:47Wow. And what about with with Richard
48:50Mallory? Cuz you gave that testimony
48:52with Richard Mallory.
48:53Yeah, Richard Mallory is definitely was
48:56not self-defense. Richard Mallory I
48:58killed for
48:59What?
49:00for he had uh
49:03I needed his wheels to move the stuff
49:05and he had the right amount of money I
49:06needed to move into the apartment, so.
49:09But what about the testimony that you
49:11gave in court about
49:12That's just the li- like I was saying
49:16about the advising and
49:17I don't know that this is
49:20That was just my lying game to try to
49:21beat the system.
49:23Really?
49:25So, that was really all
49:27None of it was true. Cuz in court you
49:29gave such a graphic description of what
49:31had happened with
49:33Richard Mallory.
49:35Yeah, I was just sitting around thinking
49:36how I could drum up a story.
49:39I don't believe that.
49:40pretty convincing.
49:41think that's true.
49:42Was it?
49:43Let's say.
49:43Well, I thought so.
49:44God, that's sad. Well,
49:48See, okay. She just
49:51Well, I lied. I I
49:54And that's the top of it.
49:55know she did.
49:57Die and he wanted to get it over and
49:59done with that you changed.
50:01I almost feel like she's trying to give
50:02other people peace.
50:04Which is really sad.
50:07Nobody Nobody ever gave her peace.
50:11Dying on a hope for a lie and a even by
50:15the second make it out of the saying I'm
50:17lying.
50:18But I heard, you know, that you just
50:20couldn't stand being on death row after
50:2212 years.
50:25Nick.
50:26And that this last time I'm going to say
50:28it.
50:29You have to kill Aileen Wuornos cuz
50:31she'll kill again.
50:36I do believe that. I do believe that she
50:38would kill again.
50:40Okay, I need to send out a raid. Let's
50:41see who's on.
50:43Who's on? Who's on? Who's on?
50:45I like to typically go towards the
50:47bottom.
50:47Hi friends, how are you today? I hope
50:49you're having
50:50Didn't want that.
50:52All right, we raid. We send raid.
50:56We raid. Oh, I do so.
50:58All right, I'm going to go try to get
50:59some sleep cuz I am super tired. So,
51:02I'll talk to you guys later.

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