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0:16is
0:58contr for
1:32you can see two letters inside the
1:35window it's m and a and we suppose we
1:39are not sure that it was the two
1:41initials of the person who decided to
1:44build the church um in
1:471883 it's very nice to wake up with the
1:50view of the three glass windows uh
1:53that's very romantic and nice to start
1:56the
1:57day could you describe what's happening
2:00in these three Windows no I don't know
2:04I'm not in the church
2:06thing not really sure
2:09sorry maybe a baptism but no I'm not
2:12sure
2:25okay uh it was actually my first mass
2:28here at the shrine as a young priest I
2:30was sent here in the US and two days
2:33later so I left on Monday and on
2:36Wednesday uh saw on the news that the
2:38shrine was on fire at about 5:45 this
2:41morning 150 Chicago firefighters
2:44responded to a three alarmed fire at The
2:46Shrine of Christ the King Church the
2:48quick moving fire burned through the
2:50roof and severely damaged the church's
2:53Sanctuary Church old church for more
2:56than 800 years tonight notredam
2:59Cathedral in Paris is completely
3:01engulfed by fire they quickly took hold
3:04the cathedral's Spire collapsed into the
3:06building it's feared very little has
3:08been saved
3:11[Music]
3:39maybe some people come in here expecting
3:41to go to mass and they stay for the beer
3:43there was a couple here who was married
3:45in this church when it was a church 50
3:47years ago and they came back on the day
3:50of their 50th Anniversary they said it
3:53was much better now than it was 50 years
3:55ago well you can drink beer in here for
3:58God's sake that's way better I got this
4:00church 10 years ago for free this is a
4:03beautiful building might as well put
4:05used to it the society that built these
4:06types of buildings doesn't exist anymore
4:15[Music]
4:22[Music]
4:28[Music]
4:51a person is in custody this evening
4:52accused of vandalizing St Patrick
4:55Cathedral and destroying a historic
4:57statue inside the church man approaches
4:59stat beaten with a hammer Alberta has
5:03been destroyed by fire burning Catholic
5:05and Anglican churches
5:07suspect it doesn't end
5:09there the vandals struck under cover of
5:13Darkness with graffiti and damage the
5:15statues beheaded
5:21[Music]
5:54it's very moving uh for me to be able to
5:56see that despite the damage that's gone
5:58on here at the church here this morning
6:01that uh this statue comes out and he's
6:03he's standing where everything else has
6:05fallen
6:12[Music]
6:33I wouldn't be wearing the Cog today and
6:35I wouldn't be a priest today if I had
6:38lost this this hope you know in in God
6:41cuz if you lose hope you lose faith
6:45[Music]
7:06Pope Francis is cracking down on what he
7:08says is a divide within the Catholic
7:10Church a bombshell of a law titled
7:13Guardians of the tradition which
7:15requires Bishops to approve celebrations
7:17of the old Latin Mass the Moto proprio
7:19claims to seek Unity by limiting the old
7:22right and focusing on the post Vatican 2
7:25novas zordo uh the real question is was
7:28the old right abrogated or
7:32[Music]
7:37forbidden regular Catholics in the pews
7:40may not have felt like the Latin Mass
7:42was replaced it was just translated into
7:47English but a large number of famous
7:51English actors and actresses writers
7:54poets painters musicians mainly
7:58non-catholics all signed a passionate
8:01petition to Paul v 6 begging him not to
8:05bury Forever This outstanding Treasure
8:08of Western
8:11culture so they succeeded this gave the
8:15Bishops of England and Wales permission
8:17to allow their priests to say the
8:21traditional Latin Mass publicly this is
8:23right after the novas sorto was
8:25promulgated we had a kind of crack in
8:27the dam okay well not everybody has to
8:29go along with
8:33this but unfortunately as far as I know
8:35in England you could only have the Latin
8:38Mass like once a month at some random
8:40Cathedral like you couldn't advertise it
8:42and it was just very restricted at the
8:44same time you have communities who are
8:46continuing a pace and they're ignoring
8:47the
8:48restrictions there was this Society of
8:50St Pi I 10th which was founded in 1970
8:54by Archbishop leev initially had the
8:57entire approval of the local Bishop it
8:59was entirely canonical no problems
9:01whatsoever they wanted to preserve the
9:03faith and preserve the traditional Latin
9:05mass and preserve the
9:07sacraments it's fairly well known that
9:09the abuses that occurred in the mass in
9:12the new mass in the 70s were uh
9:17Indescribable so Le was seeing this
9:19happen uh rotzinger saw it happen he was
9:22also scandalized by it and he even says
9:23as much he was a celebrity priest his
9:27books were bestsellers German young
9:29people loved him he was packing the
9:30lecture hall and in the 1970s he
9:34publicly criticizes Paul v 6 for this
9:37lurgical
9:40reform he says it in such a way that's
9:43respectful to the papal office and it
9:46seems to win over Paul the 6 and in the
9:491970s it it does seem to me that Paul
9:52the 6 was trying to re in certain things
9:56like he does sack bonini he does try to
9:58clamp on commun of the hand more and
10:02what he also does is he makes his big
10:04critic Joseph ratzer he makes him a
10:06bishop and then a cardinal in
10:111977 so Joseph rater is immediately
10:14elevated to the highest post below the
10:16pope by Paul I
10:196 and it's really under the pontificate
10:22of John Paul 2 that Joseph rasker starts
10:25to implement all of the ideas that he
10:27was talking about the 1970s
10:3014 years after the promulgation of the
10:33novas Ordo John Paul II comes out with a
10:35document he extends that indult
10:39worldwide so in ' 84 under John Paul II
10:43we have a worldwide indult
10:45[Music]
10:49permitted still not a lot of Bishops did
10:52kind of foster this there was a
10:53worldwide indult but it it didn't really
10:56uh it was the the the traditional Mass
10:58was very restricted it
11:01gradually gradually increased until
11:04there was a sort of network of priests
11:06they know each other lay associations
11:08who support them like the Latin mass
11:10societ in England UN in France and so on
11:14there are people with the expertise
11:15there are people understand Gregorian
11:16chant there are people who can teach
11:18priests how to celebrate the traditional
11:19Mass there are people who know where
11:21vestments are to be
11:23found so there's something to build
11:27on then by 88 4 years later lefv is
11:30dying of
11:32cancer they want to ordain Bishops they
11:36only have one Bishop leev he wants to
11:39ordain some priests Bishops and so he's
11:41begging the Vatican for permission and
11:43they keep telling him yes we'll let you
11:44and then they they keep moving the
11:46goalpost it's this date then the date
11:48was extended and extended there's
11:50politics involved and and it's
11:52complicated um but eventually he didn't
11:54want to wait anymore and so he ordained
11:57four priests Bishops he consecrated them
12:00[Music]
12:08Bishops monor Le asks The Bishop's
12:11designate whether they wish to consent
12:13and submit to the consecration
12:15[Music]
12:55our Founders were part of the SBX and
12:58thought it was a good to keep alive
13:00these traditions and when they found
13:03that their Superior Bishop Le had
13:06decided or change his mind really and
13:08would consecrate Bishops with that
13:10permission from Rome so they said well
13:14we love the traditional Mass we can't
13:16see ourselves serving God and souls
13:18outside of that tradition but on the
13:20other hand we believe that that
13:21tradition does entail um obedience to
13:25the successor of Peter
13:30John Paul II issued the mod proprio
13:33entitled eclesia Dei and in that
13:35document he excommunicates leev and the
13:37four recently consecrated Bishops but he
13:40also he makes Provisions for the
13:42establishment of societies and
13:44fraternities and institutes where
13:46priests who want to remain in full
13:48communion with Rome could enjoy that
13:50communion and still say the traditional
13:53Latin Mass so the Fraternal Society St
13:55Peter emerged from that as did The
13:58Institute of Christ the Sovereign priest
13:59and some other institutes and
14:03societies but it was still based on the
14:05local Bishop whether or not the local
14:07Bishop would allow it or
14:08not it was commonly held by most
14:13Catholic theologians that the old Mass
14:15was abrogated so you had to have these
14:17permissions right liturgists were saying
14:1970s ' 80s '90s Paul the six abrogated uh
14:22the old right but then finally when
14:25Benedict becomes Pope he had this View
14:27and he made it explicit in his document
14:29some more in pontificum he wrote this
14:32what prior Generations held sacred
14:35remains sacred we cannot all of a sudden
14:38uh forbid or consider as harmful what
14:42was always held to be sacred namely the
14:44ancient rights and so he in fact says
14:48the ancient right was never abrogated
14:52[Music]
14:59we do know that the most basic assertion
15:02of the sspx and all Latin Mass people in
15:04this time was that the Latin Mass has
15:07not been abated that basic assertion has
15:09been Vindicated by Samar and pontificum
15:12explicitly the next year Benedict lifts
15:15the excommunications from surviving
15:17bishops from the Society of St P the
15:1810th that was huge and talks proceeded a
15:21pace to try to have full reconciliation
15:23or full canonical regularity
15:27[Music]
15:37a couple years ago Andrea gillo who is
15:40an Italian
15:41liturgist he started a petition to
15:44overturn sorum pontificum under Pope
15:55[Music]
15:57Francis the thing to emphasize here is
16:00that with any papal act we have no idea
16:04how much Pope Francis was personally
16:06involved in really any of this the
16:08Vatican is a massive
16:10bureaucracy and we only have these
16:12different hints of what he might say in
16:14an interview what he was personally
16:16involved
16:18in the the talk of the the single
16:22expression of the Lex arandi of the
16:24Roman right it's very odd it doesn't
16:27sound like anything else the one place
16:30where that language can be found is in
16:32the works of Andrea
16:35Grio it's does suggest the document has
16:38been influenced by Progressive lurgical
16:42theorists having their own agenda do you
16:44know when Pope Francis was ordained a
16:47priest yes he was ordained in December
16:49of 1969 which was right when the Nova
16:51sorto was
16:52promulgated that that's this is like the
16:55Heyday of all the hopes and dreams of
16:57the Nova sordo so he never celebrated
17:00the old right you can see a huge
17:02difference in Jorge boro's generation
17:06that was formed in the priesthood in the
17:08seminary in the 60s and 70s and people
17:11like Carol vwa and Joseph ratzer who
17:13were ordained in the 40s and 50s and
17:16they celebrated the old right so I think
17:19that's very significant because it does
17:22seem that Pope Francis as a member of
17:24that generation is very much formed by
17:28the the Zeitgeist of that generation you
17:30know when we talk to people today who
17:32are of that generation they just simply
17:35cannot understand why people like us of
17:38the younger generation are so attached
17:40to Latin
17:43Mass a lot of the justification within
17:46the documents has not been in terms of
17:49the problem of the traditional mass and
17:51what's wrong with the traditional Mass
17:52it's rather the problem is the people
17:55who attended one of the main rationale
17:58that the the Holy Father uses to
18:00restrict the ancient right was that he
18:03consulted with Bishops and was made
18:06aware of a disturbing phenomenon where
18:09there's a lot of divisiveness among
18:11traditional Catholics in these
18:13communities widespread rejection of
18:15Vatican
18:272 e
18:48[Music]
18:59[Music]
19:15for
19:24[Music]
19:34[Music]
19:43your
19:57omnipotent foree
20:00[Music]
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20:39[Music]
20:53[Music]
20:57Ben for
21:07[Music]
21:18[Music]
21:26[Music]
21:57for for
22:02[Music]
22:39fore
22:42[Music]
22:58oh
23:01[Music]
23:29so many eggs look at all these eggs
23:31where's your basket well I got a
23:35[Music]
23:38chck a line that goes up and down is
23:40called what take your up and down is
23:42called what what is this line called if
23:45it goes up and down what is that line
23:47called what no it's a vertical line
23:52remember lines that go side to
23:55side are called horizontal hor Al now
24:00look at this one it's different this is
24:03a diagonal line you see how it goes to
24:05the side a little bit so we didn't know
24:08it was a Latin Mass we just needed to go
24:10to mass and the closest Parish I don't
24:12know what city we're in somewhere in
24:13Southern California
24:15and I was wearing shorts and flipflops
24:18and they were long khaki shorts but they
24:21were shorts you can get away with that
24:23in any Parish in Southern California
24:26probably except for this one because
24:28after after the mass it's beautiful Mass
24:30it was a beautiful Mass we tried to talk
24:33to people and people literally turned
24:36around and walked away I triy to talk to
24:38them it was bad it was so obvious of
24:41like we shun you we shun you from this
24:44experience I was embarrassed I looking
24:47back I can see why I mean I was not
24:50dressed very well so but I didn't know
24:53at the same time we're visitors and so
24:55that brought about this experience um of
24:58not being welcome at all and that was
25:00our first experience with the lp mass
25:02and so we walked away like well we know
25:04where we don't belong like not going
25:07back there let's go find another church
25:10that's more open and welcoming and
25:12doesn't shun you um and yeah that was
25:15our first
25:18experience all right put your bowl away
25:20and then get dressed watch yourself
25:22don't spill that two
25:24hands there you go throw it away
25:28that's all right I I'll get it all right
25:31go get dressed what's going to be you
25:34all
25:38done mom got you bat today yeah see
25:41looking good I am cold well cuz you
25:45don't have a shirt on son bra are
25:48spicy feisty no okay I'm sorry I don't
25:52know what you're
25:53saying I don't know where it came from
25:56but I had always assumed people who go
25:58to traditional Latin Mass are more upid
26:02they are going to be more
26:04judgmental and that first experience
26:07just reiterated that and I just thought
26:10well okay I guess maybe that is true and
26:13then our second experience has has blown
26:16every stereotype out of the water we
26:18were still clearly
26:20newcomers and it was
26:22obvious she on backwards buddy go sit on
26:25the
26:27steps first mass at the auditory was we
26:30were in the front row and we didn't know
26:31what we were doing we didn't know it was
26:32a Latin Mass so it was clearly and why
26:35do we sit in the front row like we like
26:37sit in theow I I know but for somebody
26:39who's never been like sit in the second
26:43row those assumptions of the community
26:46they just fall to the wayside it like
26:48Ricky said it's it's changed our lives I
26:51me we I can't even believe we're saying
26:52that like I know I can't even believe
26:55that I've been Catholic my whole life
26:58and I've been to mass as long as I can
27:01remember but yet it is this Mass it is
27:04the ancient Mass it's it's the
27:06traditional Latin mass that has changed
27:09our faith life I didn't this is Grace I
27:12didn't he brought me there I mean he
27:14brought me to a place where that I could
27:16be at a mass and I
27:18could I could be worshiping him and
27:21praying him and I could walk down that
27:24aisle of the oratory and I can go to the
27:26community and I can
27:29and I get to kneel down and receive my
27:31Lord there's nothing else I want to do
27:33besides
27:35[Music]
27:41that with regard to Pope Francis I think
27:44that he really hasn't had that
27:46experience of of meeting young people
27:47who are genuinely drawn to this and yet
27:50who love him and love the church I don't
27:53know if he
27:55really has seen the fruit of kind of a
27:59rediscovery of more traditional Mass
28:03[Music]
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28:18[Music]
28:47hallelu hallelu
28:55[Music]
29:24chrr
29:25[Music]
29:26[Applause]
29:27[Music]
29:35one two
29:38three looks
29:52[Music]
29:57great
30:26fore for
30:42[Music]
30:53[Music]
31:00[Music]
31:14speee
31:16[Music]
31:25[Music]
31:57have fore
32:40speech speee
32:44[Music]
32:55[Music]
33:12fore
33:15[Music]
33:30[Music]
33:57you
34:03[Music]
34:07we in all
34:10[Music]
34:33[Music]
34:45[Music]
34:51[Music]
34:57know
34:57[Music]
35:08fore
35:09[Music]
35:29be
35:39[Music]
36:19[Music]
36:26for
36:29[Music]
36:38[Music]
36:56for for
37:03[Music]
37:21[Music]
37:36luminum Vatican 2 said Bishops should
37:39not be regarded as Vicor of the Roman
37:42pontiff the Bishops Are Not Mere
37:45marionet of the Pope uh they have real
37:48and legitimate Authority within their
37:51their dases now he always must be
37:53obedient to what the pope teaches but he
37:56has a fair degree of latitude many
37:58Bishops some explicitly so appealed to
38:01Canan 87 uh which is there for a good
38:04reason in the 83 code of Canan law that
38:06is when there's a universal disciplinary
38:08Norm that is issued and that's what
38:10tradus custodes does IT issues Universal
38:13rules restricting the use of the
38:14traditional right but when a universal
38:17Norm May unintentionally cause harm in a
38:21particular Church uh then the local
38:23Bishop has the right and even the duty
38:25to invoke Canon 87 and say look that
38:28situation doesn't happen here so we're
38:30okay we can keep keep going that's
38:33that's baked into the code the promise
38:36that a bishop makes to to guard the
38:38deposit of Faith the deposit of faith is
38:43a Heritage of truth that there's so many
38:47different elements to it but it's about
38:50the salvation of souls it's
38:53about going to heaven it's not about
38:56managing this Earth
39:01[Music]
39:09[Music]
39:26so I would say to the Bishops you know
39:29get with the apostles as their
39:31successors and link your people up with
39:34that cloud of witnesses that church up
39:36there in glory is the same church as the
39:39Catholic church that we call Roman here
39:41for those who are in a state of grace
39:43and I think Bishops need to really
39:46stretch themselves to move from the
39:48natural to the supernatural the Bishops
39:50ought to
39:51be in Persona Christi in a way that
39:55corresponds to what Vatican 2 defined as
39:57the plenitude of holy orders they ought
40:00to fall hopelessly in love with the
40:03Blessed Virgin Mary that's the only safe
40:05way they can lead
40:07[Music]
40:26us
40:29[Music]
40:44[Music]
40:55for the C most for
41:04[Music]
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41:27[Music]
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41:57no
41:59[Music]
42:07[Music]
42:20for this is my wish to him please Pope
42:24Francis Holy Father meet directly with
42:27is these good young Catholic families
42:31who love the traditional mass and they
42:33will give you a convincing Witness
42:50[Music]
43:13at that time when the change came we
43:16still had more missionary priests than
43:19local priests and so they were saying
43:22already the Liturgy it is already
43:24changed it is already so and Africa
43:27people they obey quickly so they obeyed
43:31without knowing a lot but then when we
43:34came to know the richness of the Liturgy
43:37so Wow we lost the precious things you
43:41saw yesterday and these days you are
43:44together with us how many people are
43:47flowing for the traditional
43:49[Music]
43:56Mass fore
44:06[Music]
44:23[Music]
44:29[Applause]
44:31[Music]
44:36for
44:37[Applause]
44:47[Music]
45:18[Music]
45:23they were asking me to to have a booklet
45:26or something so I inaugurated my small
45:29booklet of Latin Swahili and even though
45:32I said please collect the books that we
45:34can use and the next time but many books
45:37disappeared because they want to have it
45:39an old lady maybe 85 or 90 she started
45:44singing the crle without missing one
45:47word
45:49[Music]
45:59[Music]
46:02at former time when we had thean chance
46:06it was the same
46:10voice like yesterday it was the Feast of
46:14assumption of lady all churches in the
46:18world were sing the same
46:24voice all in in China in Argentina in
46:29Germany in South Africa One Church One
46:33Voice one prayer
46:42[Music]
46:59[Music]
47:17[Music]
47:22pap
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47:41for
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48:08[Music]
48:20w
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49:25spe fore
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50:07spee
50:08foreign spee
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50:35problem
50:41[Music]
51:11Fran
51:13particular via Roman
51:17[Music]
51:53[Music]
51:55the
51:57[Music]
52:05fore
52:07[Music]
52:09speee spe
52:12[Music]
52:21[Applause]
52:42spe
52:45spe foreign speeech
53:20if it had been such a problem if the
53:23traditional Mass was being was such a
53:25source of Vision the Bishops would have
53:28reacted said oh thank you we have this
53:30wonderful tool and finally we're being
53:32given permission to restrict the
53:33traditional L mass and to solve this
53:35great problem but that's not what you
53:38had at all in fact the response of the
53:40Bishops was far more representative of
53:43what was actually in the
53:45[Music]
53:46report the congregation for doctr of the
53:50faith sent round a short questionnaire
53:53to all the Bishops of the
53:55world there were not nine questions and
53:58they were about how it was working out
54:00the celebration of digital mass in your
54:02dasis is it good is it bad in this
54:05aspect that aspect so this office they
54:07would have been responsible for
54:09processing all of this data in all of
54:12these languages and then writing a
54:15report for the Holy Father to give him
54:17an idea of what the survey said you know
54:20seeking to be fair to all of the Bishops
54:23now the relationship between the report
54:27and said is is something which is
54:30obscure because frankly these things are
54:32never made public why should it be made
54:34public it's an internal document of the
54:35Holy sea that doesn't surprise me at all
54:38I was able to obtain the last section
54:41which was a collection of quotations
54:44from the Bishops around the world that
54:46would have been representative of what
54:49the Bishops had said as a whole some
54:52people who support the extraordinary for
54:54do so with ideological
54:57presuppositions this is true of some
54:59members of any group however they are
55:02not representative of the entirety of
55:05the communities of faithful who
55:07participate in the extraordinary
55:09form the question of ordinary or
55:12extraordinary form is irrelevant to our
55:15people there is little interaction
55:18between the group of faithful and the
55:21neighboring parish and the
55:24dicese the mode appropriate prum
55:27pontificum has allowed a real
55:29pacification of the lurgical
55:32issue it has not been my experience that
55:34the extraordinary form creates division
55:37but rather the
55:39opposite as Pope Benedict said we cannot
55:42abandon the right of the mass that has
55:45been used for centuries and say that is
55:48no longer
55:49relevant the possibility of celebrating
55:52the extraordinary form should be
55:54maintained it corresponds to to a real
55:56demand from rather young people I
55:59certainly believe that sorum pontificum
56:01cannot simply be revoked this would
56:04create many more problems than those we
56:06want to
56:09[Music]
56:16solve by all accounts the M vast
56:19majority of responses were very positive
56:21Bishops are seeing churches burgeoning
56:24overflowing with young families with
56:26many kids who are joyfully faithful to
56:29the
56:31magisterium many Bishops are very
56:33positive I've heard that from everyone
56:34who's seen the report I've talked to
56:37people in the Holy sea who've seen the
56:38report the bad things cited in TR said
56:42is they're there but they are in the
56:46minority the Bishops were sending the
56:48message to stay the course with sorum
56:51pontificum yes there could have been a
56:53slight alteration here or there but it
56:55was over overwhelmingly positive one
56:58year later approximately
57:0175% of Bishops who have the Latin Mass
57:05have not implemented tradition codus the
57:08vast majority of them did nothing or
57:10dispensed with it
57:16[Music]
57:33the local Bishops are seeing what
57:34they're seeing whether they're
57:35traditionally minded or not I think most
57:36are not but they're just seeing wow
57:38these are really good Catholics they're
57:40living out what we're preaching with
57:42respect to the family family life and
57:44Eucharistic devotion and in fact
57:47outreaches to the poor actions speak
57:49louder than words where is this urgency
57:52that Pope Francis where is he getting
57:54this story is he being Miss
57:58informed would it be fair if already in
58:01January 2020 there was a meeting in the
58:04congregation for the doctrine of the
58:06faith discussing things that they want
58:08to implement to restrict the traditional
58:11Latin Mass even before the survey goes
58:15out but what's interesting is the CDF
58:18superiors ordered a second report the
58:22second parallel report was commissioned
58:25in November of
58:262020 he finished his report by Christmas
58:30of 2020 but the results still kept
58:33coming in until
58:36[Music]
58:382021 so how credible can a report be if
58:43you're not basing it on all of the
58:47results we know that it exists but we
58:50don't know did the Holy Father actually
58:52see it was it intended to arrive at
58:54preconceived conclusion
58:57we don't really know that what we do
58:59know is that it was supposed to be a
59:00sort of second opinion you know I wish
59:02these people who were repeating this
59:04stuff would just go and visit some of
59:05these congregations yeah we got the odd
59:07you know the odd person who's who's
59:09who's deeply
59:10unhappy but let me show you a few of
59:12those in the Noah AO everyone's free to
59:15go and you have problematic people and
59:18you have good people and you have people
59:19who are on a journey and that's true of
59:22every single mass in the church and if
59:24it wasn't there'd be a problem
59:27you know we we now have a division that
59:29is going to have to be repaired that was
59:31based let's be frank about this on a
59:34false polling of the Bishops of the
59:36world the Bishops of the world were not
59:37demanding a restriction of the Latin
59:39Mass most of them didn't respond to the
59:41poll very few seem to be
59:43[Music]
59:54upset this this is EWTN news
59:59nightly with sorrow we inform you that
1:00:02the pope Meritus Benedict the 16th has
1:00:05died at the age of
1:00:0795 bells of St Peter's Basilica rang
1:00:10somberly to Mar already counted more
1:00:1240,000 pilgrims 65,000 hundreds of
1:00:15thousands of mourners filed past
1:00:17Benedict's body the crowd and turnout
1:00:19took the Vatican by surprise these are
1:00:22the people who were speaking they're
1:00:23Benedict's people and they're here in
1:00:26it was all young clergy they are reading
1:00:29rotzinger they are imbibing that and
1:00:31he's shaping their interior life and
1:00:33their lurgical Vision he was one of the
1:00:35greatest Minds in the history of the
1:00:37church he recognized problems that the
1:00:39church encountered as a result of the
1:00:42false interpretations of the second
1:00:44Vatican
1:00:45[Music]
1:00:49Council amen
1:00:53[Music]
1:01:22just the goodness of the man I the
1:01:24goodness of the man
1:01:26so
1:01:27good and so
1:01:30brilliant I was among his doctoral
1:01:32students okay I was there for two years
1:01:35I never heard a homy I never went to a
1:01:37class I didn't learn something new I
1:01:39mean every single time he spoke it was
1:01:42something new and was something you know
1:01:45profound and there's
1:01:47nobody nobody who worked with him who
1:01:50doesn't think he's a saint and that
1:01:53includes people who are his enemies
1:02:02[Music]
1:02:18Christ's promise at the gates of hell
1:02:20would not Prevail against the church and
1:02:22so we speak about things like the indect
1:02:24ability of the church like when we
1:02:26follow what the church teaches it will
1:02:28not lead us away from Jesus Christ it
1:02:31will not lead us into error it will not
1:02:32lead us into sin but that does not mean
1:02:36that every single thing the church does
1:02:38is always going to be Optimum uh there
1:02:41are Prudential decisions that are made
1:02:43such as what kind of liturgy is put
1:02:46forward in a missile for example we got
1:02:48to take the 62
1:02:50missile go back to the council see what
1:02:54happened and reform that reform you can
1:02:59say that those official po reforms were
1:03:01a
1:03:02mistake you know the church have made a
1:03:04lot of mistakes in our history you know
1:03:06we're trying to correct the mistake B do
1:03:08said nothing about pit change in the
1:03:10direction of PR nothing at all the
1:03:12problem is the official promats of
1:03:15Vatican 2 did say that mass should be
1:03:18celebrated facing the people but but
1:03:19it's still it's not a it doesn't have
1:03:21the same weight as a council document
1:03:23you see but wouldn't it be a faith ful
1:03:26Catholic who'd say I embrace Interra
1:03:28comich Paul I 6 celebrated Mass facing
1:03:31the people so to be a faithful Catholic
1:03:34we should celebrate facing the people no
1:03:35that's
1:03:37patry uh that's
1:03:39not I've lived through how many five or
1:03:41six popes in my lifetime okay I can't
1:03:44readjust my life every time a new pope
1:03:46comes in on the scene I have to
1:03:47interpret everything which any Pope does
1:03:49according to the whole long 2,000 years
1:03:52history of the church I can't just
1:03:53decide oh you know Pope Francis says
1:03:56turn off your air conditioner so I got
1:03:58to do that well no one of the big
1:04:00problems is we had two great holy popes
1:04:03in a row you know John Paul 2 and
1:04:06Benedict and who who's deeply Catholic
1:04:09and faithful would not want to say he
1:04:12knows better than I do uh he's got the
1:04:15holy spirit with him I want to do what
1:04:17he wants to do you
1:04:18know that makes a lot of sense but the
1:04:21problem is they kind of confused
1:04:23personal it kind of conflict relateded
1:04:26personal piety and Brilliance with the
1:04:29office of Peter as Vatican 1 says the
1:04:32Holy Father is the visible head of the
1:04:34church and he has supreme juridical
1:04:37authority and matters of liturgy are a
1:04:39matter of jurisdiction governance okay
1:04:42he has Supreme judical Authority in the
1:04:43church it doesn't say he has absolute
1:04:46Authority absolute Authority would mean
1:04:48I can do absolutely whatever I want to
1:04:50do is kind absolute
1:04:54monar is
1:05:16the broad consensus is that he can't get
1:05:19rid of the Essential Elements of matter
1:05:22and form in the mass he can't you know
1:05:26say that uh we're going to consecrate
1:05:28rice cakes instead of wheat the first of
1:05:31all why can he not change those
1:05:33Essential Elements because they come
1:05:34from the apostles who were led by Christ
1:05:36and the Holy Spirit public Revelation
1:05:38ends at the death of the last Apostles
1:05:40so things the apostles set down are
1:05:42really more or less Untouchable you
1:05:45don't mess with that so St Thomas
1:05:47aquinus has some very famous passages in
1:05:50the Suma when he's talking about the
1:05:51Eucharist where he asks where is it in
1:05:55Scripture
1:05:56that Jesus in the Roman right lifted his
1:05:58eyes up to
1:05:59heaven where is that in in scripture
1:06:02it's not there he said but there are
1:06:03many things that the Lord instructed the
1:06:05apostles that are not written down in
1:06:07scripture and nevertheless form part of
1:06:08sacred tradition and we are not free to
1:06:11get rid of them we have to preserve them
1:06:14in other words popes don't have absolute
1:06:15Authority they have supreme authority
1:06:17and that supreme authority is
1:06:18subordinated to the word of God
1:06:19Scripture and tradition including
1:06:21lurgical tradition do you think the pope
1:06:24Can Say the Latin mass is is completely
1:06:27forbidden um well I don't know I think
1:06:30he can do that I mean I think you know
1:06:32as a supreme pontiff I think he has the
1:06:34power to do that all over the world
1:06:37would cause
1:06:39unnecessary harm Vatican 1 it says some
1:06:43clearish things about papal Authority
1:06:46but I don't know what it means to be
1:06:50Supreme and yet not unlimited until you
1:06:53give me hypos to to test cas to say oh
1:06:56can the pope say four persons in the
1:06:58Trinity can the pope say that every
1:07:00practicing Catholic must attend at least
1:07:02two NBA games per season folks need to
1:07:05get hip to the idea that papal Authority
1:07:09has not been laid out yet I wish that
1:07:13those who say that there's a clear
1:07:15bright line that keeps that restricts
1:07:17the pope from altering discipline as
1:07:20much as giving us a new mass or making
1:07:23the new Mass the only Roman right I wish
1:07:25wish they're right then and now I say I
1:07:28hope I'm wrong on this but I'm 75% sure
1:07:32there's no clear bright line that
1:07:34delimits the Pope's disciplinary
1:07:36power Vatican published new guidelines
1:07:38today on the celebration of the
1:07:40traditional Latin Mass so-called
1:07:43rescript this is a written note from a
1:07:45meeting Pope Francis had yesterday with
1:07:47Cardinal Arthur roach it appears the
1:07:50Vatican is effectively doing away with
1:07:53the discretion of the local Bishops in
1:07:56all aspects of the old Latin right well
1:07:59in canon law when Rome or the pope
1:08:01issues a decree or Apostolic
1:08:04Constitution the local Bishop has the
1:08:06power according to Canon 87 to dispense
1:08:10from Provisions according to the
1:08:12Pastoral need in his dasis now that's
1:08:14all been changed so this rescript is
1:08:16really new law and it goes in the
1:08:19direction of depriving Bishops of the
1:08:21rights they enjoy in canon law to make
1:08:24pastoral decisions based on what they
1:08:25see now it's fascinating because
1:08:28traditional codas was issued on the
1:08:30basis of a survey in which we were told
1:08:32that there's a lot of
1:08:34dissatisfaction among the world's
1:08:36Bishops about the traditional Latin Mass
1:08:38but the fact that Bishops were allowing
1:08:40it to continue in their dases indicates
1:08:42the opposite so I think this is a Roman
1:08:44effort sad to say to further marginalize
1:08:47restrict and banish Latin Mass people
1:08:51and these are precisely a group of
1:08:52practicing Catholics who are very
1:08:54obedient so I I find this to be very
1:08:56distressing
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1:09:55oh
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1:10:24fore foreign
1:10:27foreign
1:10:29[Music]
1:10:31spee for
1:10:53[Music]
1:11:00the Holy Father signed a decree giving
1:11:03us the permission to use all the
1:11:06lurgical books in force in 1962 and he
1:11:09said the provision of traditionist
1:11:11custodes do not apply to
1:11:13you because you have these constitutions
1:11:16you have this right and he as his decree
1:11:20confirmed this and we saw it as a
1:11:23providential you know encouragement also
1:11:25the fact that uh it was signed in fact
1:11:28unbeknown to the Holy Father on the very
1:11:30last day of a noen to Our Lady asking
1:11:33for her protection for our fraternity um
1:11:36the hly father did not know there was a
1:11:37noen and it just happened to be a
1:11:39coincidence of dates but there are no
1:11:41such coincidences and so we we really
1:11:43believe in the fraternity that we we owe
1:11:46that particular expression of you know
1:11:49providential protection uh to to our
1:11:52blessed lady to the a crisis like what
1:11:57happened with the sspx and you're in
1:11:59another crisis with tradition as codus
1:12:01but in both cases you you knock on the
1:12:03Pope's
1:12:04door it is true it's um well it's a bit
1:12:09like what St Peter you know to whom
1:12:11should we go a lord you you have the
1:12:13words of eternal life and uh okay the
1:12:16pope is not uh Christ but is his Vicor
1:12:19and even if we don't understand
1:12:21everything we can't see that we could go
1:12:23anywhere else
1:12:26in due time there will be another Pope
1:12:29and there will be another Pope after
1:12:30that and who knows how long we have
1:12:32until Jesus comes back but in the
1:12:34meantime just as easily as the current
1:12:37Holy Father did a did a complete
1:12:40reversal or abreg of what the previous
1:12:43Holy Father said the next Holy Father
1:12:45could do the exact same thing with this
1:12:47that's what I mean when I say I'm in it
1:12:48for the long haul I'm trying to take the
1:12:50Long View because like the apostles
1:12:53panicked in in the the boat on the Sea
1:12:56of Galilee when the storm came and Jesus
1:12:58was
1:13:00asleep I mean I don't know how you could
1:13:01sleep through a storm like that but
1:13:03Jesus was asleep and so they woke him up
1:13:05Lord don't you care about what's going
1:13:07on here and he says after he calms the
1:13:10storm and everything gets back to normal
1:13:11why did you doubt oh you of little faith
1:13:14it wouldn't be the first time that
1:13:15things happened within the church which
1:13:18uh when you looked back at in history uh
1:13:21appeared to be unjust but um God allows
1:13:26that to um make us you know improve in
1:13:30various virtues including hope it's a
1:13:32very practical virtue I was told it's uh
1:13:36believing that God will uh take us with
1:13:41him in heaven through providing the
1:13:44means which are adequate to our personal
1:13:49needs so he basically knows who we are
1:13:53what we need what is the problem and
1:13:55will tailor his assistance to uh our
1:13:59circumstances so it's not a vague
1:14:01expectation it's actually God is going
1:14:03to roll up his sleeves and come down
1:14:06where where I suffer and he will help me
1:14:08that's the value of Hope if we see
1:14:11reality Through The Eyes of faith and we
1:14:14pray Our Father who are in heaven if
1:14:16he's in heaven then we're not home yet
1:14:19no matter where we head after Mass is
1:14:21done we're in Exile that here we have no
1:14:23lasting City so if that's the reality
1:14:26then enduring a life of hardship
1:14:28enduring a life of humiliation enduring
1:14:31a long protracted viad delosa then the
1:14:34endurance of Hope is the only rational
1:14:37response to the mysteries of Faith
1:14:40whatever sufferings you can endure that
1:14:42won't separate you from Christ nakedness
1:14:45Peril famine the sword no on the
1:14:47contrary they don't separate us from
1:14:49Christ they conform us to Christ more
1:14:52than my rosary which I don't ever do a
1:14:54day without you know or daily mass or
1:14:57Sunday mass or anything else and what is
1:14:59this called being
1:15:02Catholic truly and fully and
1:15:05consistently I think there's an
1:15:07obligation now especially for parents to
1:15:09find the mass which is most consistent
1:15:14with the church's living tradition uh
1:15:17and that you don't have to explain to
1:15:19your kids well that's not really right
1:15:20what he did there or that hly you know
1:15:23we we you don't want the parents have
1:15:25correct the priest that's not a way for
1:15:27kids to learn I want certainty that I
1:15:30can give my children a stable lurgical
1:15:32formation through all of their
1:15:34sacraments of initiation into matrimony
1:15:37because that would be the final sort of
1:15:39initiation into adulthood would be this
1:15:41final Sacrament and I want them to have
1:15:44liturgical stability I want them to have
1:15:47absolutely Rock certainty Solid
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1:15:53Ground EX
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1:16:20inen for me it's like
1:16:23Peter resp responding to Jesus in John 6
1:16:28when Jesus says are you going to go
1:16:31to and
1:16:36Nomes where else would we go what else
1:16:39would we do you have the words of
1:16:41eternal life we're with you to the
1:16:49end our mother the church is suffering
1:16:54we are temp Ed to be
1:16:56angry we are tempted to and want to say
1:17:00descend from the cross no this is not
1:17:04the
1:17:05means but Christ the lord alone will
1:17:08determine the
1:17:10time when he will lead his bride our
1:17:13mother the church again to luminous days
1:17:18through the sufferings and
1:17:21atonements and through the unshakeable
1:17:25Fidelity of the little ones in the
1:17:28church this is the method of
1:17:35God how can God look down on all the
1:17:37suffering of this world and not do
1:17:39something for it how can he be passive
1:17:42in the face of all of this evil shall
1:17:44almighty God look down on the most
1:17:46perfect one who ever lived and not
1:17:49snatch from out those hands and Na and
1:17:52not snatch from their head to CR of
1:17:55arms shall he allow this virtue and
1:17:58innocence and goodness to go down to
1:18:01death where is the goodness of God where
1:18:03is his understanding those are the
1:18:06questions that we might well indeed ask
1:18:09if there had not been a resurrection but
1:18:12given a
1:18:14resurrection no longer can men say God
1:18:17does not know what it is to
1:18:20suffer and when there are days of
1:18:22catastrophe or days of es such as we
1:18:26have today we need a religion that was
1:18:30born in
1:18:32defeat we need a religion that had its
1:18:36origin in
1:18:38catastrophe and therefore we will now
1:18:40never be without hope where a good triy
1:18:43will be the faue to an Easter Sunday so
1:18:46long as we bear innocently that Divine
1:18:49image in the face of the evil of the
1:18:51world we shall never perish why we have
1:18:54already one
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1:19:56you
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