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0:18[music]
0:23[music]
0:29All All right, welcome to the Ringer
0:30Wise guys Tuesday edition. Cousin S here
0:33with Raheem Palmer and Anthony Deundo.
0:36Sorry if I have a half a voice. I'm
0:38sorry for my voice in general. I know
0:40it's not pleasant to the ear. Um I was
0:42at the Emmys last night [snorts] and I
0:44think they should have handed me a
0:46trophy for the person doing the most
0:48outstanding acting as if he's not about
0:51to lose thousands of dollars on a
0:54teaser. My god. We'll get into it in a
0:57second, but Raheem, uh, that game did
0:59not go the way we uh, thought it would.
1:02>> I'm very angry.
1:04>> Yeah.
1:04>> And I'm angry in a game in which I
1:06actually won
1:08>> because me and Anthony Dundo actually
1:11had the under.
1:12>> Never in doubt. I mean, never in doubt.
1:15>> Never in doubt at all.
1:16>> But there is a contest called the Ringer
1:19107
1:20>> and a lot of us did tease the Denver
1:22Broncos and that was ugly. like uglier
1:25than a masterpiece sneaker. I mean, at
1:27the end of the day, you look at this
1:29Kansas City Chiefs team and last year
1:32they had a 5.2%
1:34explosive play rate. You know, plays of
1:37over 20 yards or more. And it felt like
1:39they had more explosive plays yesterday
1:41than they had all of last year.
1:44>> What were the Broncos doing with their
1:45tackling? Like seriously, they had 28
1:48missed tackles.
1:49>> Ken Walker had 144 yards after contact.
1:54So, I'm like I'm legitimately livid.
1:57>> I'm just
1:58>> We won yesterday. So, if you if you
2:00followed us on the [laughter] under,
2:01congratulations to you. But yeah, that
2:04that game was ugly.
2:06>> This is why the lifespan I don't want to
2:08talk anyone out of this as a profession
2:09of a a professional sports gambler. I it
2:13just can't be long because Raheem, and
2:15he's not alone, legitimately angry over
2:17wins, no less the freaking losses to
2:21Bundo, which we're going to have plenty
2:22of. give me a a quick line on this and
2:24then we'll get back to it in a bit.
2:26>> I want to send a thank you card to Andy
2:29Reid because he was the only coach who
2:33coached that game ethically last night.
2:35There was no ethics from Shawn Peyton.
2:37First of all, and we'll get into this
2:39maybe as we talk about the Broncos at
2:40large. They won what 14 games last year
2:45>> and they said, "You know what? We need a
2:46new play caller. We're going to bring in
2:47Davis Webb, first time play caller." And
2:50I'm not sure any plays would have worked
2:52the way Bo Knicks was playing last
2:53night, but you had to just feel like
2:55Shawn Payeyton didn't actually want to
2:57give up the play calling duties. And
2:59that seemed to me, that was always my
3:01weirdest thing about the Broncos,
3:02besides the fact their schedule wasn't
3:04going to be as easy this year. But the
3:06number two, Shawn Payeyton was faced
3:08with a decision at fourth and five at
3:11his own 35, down by 21 with 11 minutes
3:13to go. He says, "We're punting."
3:16>> Okay, if you're giving up the game with
3:1711 minutes to go, that's fine. That's
3:19fine. You give up. You're you're calling
3:21it. But then they get a fourth and eight
3:24with four and a half minutes left and
3:26it's like an obvious go. They're like,
3:27"All right, we're going for it." What?
3:29Wh Why? You already gave up the game
3:32eight minutes ago. Now you're going to
3:33go run more plays. I hate that.
3:35>> All you're doing is risking injury. Even
3:36if you get the first down, you're
3:38keeping your starters in there longer.
3:40What's the point?
3:41>> But you know what? Andy Reid said,
3:42"Uh-uh. We play ethically. We go into
3:44the two-minute warning. We can't
3:45technically knee out the game. We don't
3:47care. We're kneing it out anyway.
3:48>> Shout out to Andy Reed for another one
3:50of their backers from what you know we
3:52got lucky at the end the way the game
3:53ran out. But I mean
3:55>> given how
3:56>> you don't see that where they take the
3:58knee will there be time when you could
3:59easily kick a field goal that's not
4:01going to crush you if it's run back for
4:03six or something. You don't you don't
4:04ever see that.
4:05>> But you put your players at risk.
4:07>> You put your players at risk and they
4:09already lost. They were down a corner.
4:12>> Right. Right.
4:12>> It's like you don't want to you don't
4:14you don't want to risk any more
4:15injuries. So, let's get up out of here.
4:17Let's go home.
4:18>> We got a lot more to say about this
4:20game. Um, we're going to recap it. We're
4:22going to hit uh NFL future value picks.
4:24We got to hit that now, right? Week one
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5:10All right, more on that. Chiefs 31-10 as
5:13a two and a half point favorite.
5:15Dismantling of the Broncos. Kenneth
5:17Walker, who I've been singing songs
5:20about all summer, how he's going to help
5:21the Chiefs offense, had 191 total yards,
5:24173 on the ground, and yet I had the
5:26Broncos last night. Raheem, the big
5:28play, I think you were talking about the
5:29missed tackles on 20. What' you say? 28
5:3126
5:32>> 28 missed tackles.
5:33>> All right. So, that to me was the worst
5:35one. That was the game changer cuz I
5:37think that was like fourth and one or
5:39two when
5:39>> it was fourth and one from like their
5:41own 40 or like it might have been a 35
5:44or something crazy.
5:45>> It was it was the 39 yd line. Yep.
5:47>> Yeah. It was ridiculous.
5:48>> And you know it's not going to be Momes
5:50on a sneak, right? Because since he got
5:52injured he they don't they don't do
5:53that, right? They don't they don't sneak
5:55Mahomes on fourth and one. So who's
5:57probably going to get the ball there? Um
5:59and he just beats everybody. I mean if
6:01they had 20 guys on the field, he would
6:02have beaten them all well at all. Nobody
6:05said it's like
6:06>> Yeah. Nobody [clears throat] said the
6:07edge at all and it was just like all
6:08once he got around it was like oh shoot
6:10he's gone.
6:12>> Yeah the bundle this was no good.
6:14>> That was the turning point especially
6:16because I also doubled down. S I don't
6:19know if you know about my Chiefs second
6:20half under, but when the Chiefs have the
6:22lead at home,
6:23>> I will pretty much automatically play
6:24the second half under because of because
6:26of what we saw in the fourth quarter.
6:27They are the masters, the maestros of
6:30the killing the game situation and they
6:33were in the second half. I mean, they're
6:35taking 40 seconds off every play.
6:37They're they're not explosive outside of
6:39the Walker runs. Maybe you have to
6:40rethink that. Uh but they get like four
6:43yards a pop, so they're taking two
6:44minutes every first down to get the ball
6:46up the field. That was how the last
6:47drive felt. But I think this was so out
6:52of character for Denver because my crit
6:54my potential concern with Denver was
6:56well they played a lot of shitty
6:57quarterbacks and they ran up really good
6:59efficiency numbers on [ __ ] quarterbacks
7:01last year and that I wanted to see what
7:03the secondary and the linebackers look
7:05like in coverage when they played a real
7:06offense that had real quarterbacks. That
7:08wasn't even really the problem last
7:10night. The tackling, I don't really know
7:12what to make of it. It makes me think
7:13that it's a little bit of a week one
7:15fluke for the defense.
7:17>> Yeah. And so we saw this though for a
7:19bunch of teams, right? And I correct me
7:21if I'm wrong. I'm not Every year kind of
7:23bleeds into the the next when you turn
7:2675, 80, what, however old I am, but I
7:28don't remember a week one where four or
7:30five teams, maybe more, who were
7:32expected to be good to very good to
7:34great, just completely embarrassed
7:36themselves. Like completely forgot how
7:38to play football for at least an hour.
7:39the Rams, the Chargers, the Cowboys. I'm
7:42going to say good, you know, people
7:44expected them to win nine games. The
7:46Broncos yesterday, the the the Patriots
7:49to an extent for the second half. What
7:51Raheem, is this just um what do we see?
7:53Is this a fluky thing or these all these
7:56teams kind of in trouble?
7:58>> I think I mean the Chargers are in
8:00trouble. I think the Chargers had like a
8:01little bit of a rough off season.
8:02Obviously, you lose your you know, VIAZ
8:05or whatever his name is on the offensive
8:07line and that's been an issue. him. Come
8:09on.
8:10>> Yeah. I mean I mean but I mean
8:12>> first problem. Yeah.
8:14>> Yeah. But I mean you lose some guys on
8:15the offensive line for them and it's
8:17like offensive line has always been an
8:18issue and I also think Arizona's a
8:20little bit underrated anyway. Um I think
8:22>> they damn right.
8:24>> I I I think Arizon I think when you when
8:26it comes to Los Angeles I mean the Rams
8:29it just feels like they always have
8:31these slow starts and then you know Kyle
8:33Shanahan owns them and then you have the
8:35Australian thing. So, it's just a number
8:36of different things. I can I mean, I
8:38can't really say a lot of this was
8:39fluky. I think, you know, some of this
8:41was just I mean, sometimes the market
8:43tends to overrate teams. Um, so it's
8:45just like not tackling like the Denver.
8:48All right. Their defense, right? It's
8:49like, what the hell?
8:50>> Yeah. I mean, that's fluky obviously.
8:52>> The secondary played well.
8:53>> Yeah.
8:54>> Against the pass. I mean, Mahomes, they
8:55didn't do [ __ ] through the air.
8:57>> They had the one big conversion to
8:58Kelsey.
8:59>> They were not afraid to blitz. They were
9:00not afraid to play man. And for the most
9:02part when they got them in those third
9:03and longs, they actually were pretty
9:05good. And that was the one thing I'm
9:06watching for the Chiefs this year. They
9:08went from elite to ass in third and long
9:10last year and it just fell apart. And
9:12last night they weren't in third and
9:14long very often, but when they were they
9:16weren't good. So I I think that's still
9:18something to watch with with
9:19>> you. You know, it's fascinating because
9:21normally like I think for the last 5 10
9:24years, it's felt like defenses were
9:26ahead of offenses. This is the first
9:28time I've seen where it's like you're
9:30you're having records setting numbers in
9:32terms of points. Like I mean typically
9:34you could blindly play the hundreds and
9:35that hasn't been the case this year.
9:37>> So Simmons and I talked about this cuz
9:39they interviewed Tomlin. They did a good
9:41job with Tomlin uh the NBC in the
9:43halftime show and they asked where did
9:44all these points come from? I think it
9:46was the highest scoring Sunday of all
9:47time even at even by halftime of that
9:49game.
9:50>> And he said yeah the tide has turned
9:52because there are fewer padded
9:54practices. It's the defenses that are
9:56out of sync. For years, you're right,
9:57Raheem. It's been the offensive line.
9:59Wow, these guys don't seem like they've
10:00worked together. But
10:02>> I don't know what if he's right or if if
10:06we're just it'll be all be normal next
10:08week, but it is an interesting um point
10:10that he made.
10:12>> Yeah.
10:13>> So many new offensive coordinators.
10:15Maybe there was more wrinkles that we
10:16weren't expecting. Maybe
10:17>> that's interesting. Yeah.
10:20>> On film,
10:21>> right?
10:22>> But it wasn't every offense that was
10:23new. I mean, some of them certainly, I
10:25mean, you could argue the Chiefs are a
10:26new offense this year. They basically
10:27are. The Ravens certainly new offense,
10:30but Carolina and Chicago, that doesn't
10:32really count for them.
10:34>> But even look at look at Buffalo.
10:36Buffalo has struggled against the
10:38Houston Texans and they
10:40>> only two games though, Raheem. That was
10:41my
10:42>> No, but I'm I mean, but what I'm saying
10:43is they've strugg I mean, like
10:45historically, they struggled and they
10:46were able to generate a ton of
10:48explosives in that game. I mean, I think
10:50from a downto- perspective, they weren't
10:51the best. But for them to generate the
10:53explosive they did against that Houston
10:55Texans defense, I think it says a lot
10:57about Joe Brady and, you know, the
10:59differences in that offense now. It
11:02doesn't feel like they have a governor
11:03on them anymore.
11:05>> Yeah. The Bills are interesting because
11:07they they telegraphed this. The one
11:09reason I didn't bet the Texans under,
11:10even though I kind of wanted to continue
11:11the tradition, is that Joe Brady was
11:13like, "We're we're throwing it more.
11:14Like, we want to be more explosive."
11:16They used to have to play this like
11:18ground and pound offensive style because
11:20their defense was so bad. Now the
11:23defense was still bad, but they just
11:24said, "F it. We're going to throw it
11:25down the field and we're going to attack
11:27vertically." And if they continue to do
11:28that, um I wish the Lions luck on
11:30Thursday.
11:32>> Oh yeah. Shuck put up how many yards and
11:34now you got
11:34>> 410.
11:35>> Now you got Josh Allen on three days
11:37rest against that defense.
11:38>> Chuck put up like 400 yards. Almost all
11:40of it in in the second half. I mean it
11:42was the first half he did nothing.
11:44>> Right. Right. So, this could be part of
11:46the problem. Um, I might get in trouble
11:48for saying this, but someone from
11:50FanDuel reached out to me in Simmons
11:51yesterday morning and said, "Hey, this
11:53teaser promotion is going great. 6,000
11:55people took the reason the ringer
11:57teasers." And uh, if you're familiar not
12:00familiar with this, you get a discount
12:01on teasers if you jump on our I think
12:04there are seven of us giving teasers
12:06every week. And he says, "And you guys
12:08are about to go seven and0 as a group on
12:10teasers." And I wrote back, "Well, don't
12:12almost half of them still have the
12:13Broncos tonight?" and he said, "Yeah,
12:15but plus eight and a half." And I said,
12:16"Well, thanks for the info and for the
12:18tremendous jinx." So, I should have
12:20written one right there that Bo,
12:22>> you know what though? Honestly,
12:23>> put that thumb on the scale of those.
12:25>> Yeah. [laughter] Right. Right.
12:27>> I I actually regret not taking the
12:29Chiefs yesterday because to have a seven
12:32seven and a half point middle. Well,
12:34really eight eight point middle. Eight
12:35and a half point.
12:36>> That was one at some Bucks.
12:38>> Yeah. Like honestly had I was thinking
12:40that should have been I mean now granted
12:42we did cash on the under so I mean you
12:44able to profit there but that should
12:46have been an auto play for me you know
12:48to say Chiefs
12:50>> at home and half point yeah like under
12:53three you know Mahomes between spreads
12:56yeah between them spreads between three
12:59and three
13:00>> oh my god but yeah that I regret that
13:02>> you just didn't think you were getting
13:03the same Chiefs as before. By the way,
13:06>> it wasn't
13:07>> when Mahomes when Mahomes ran in that
13:09touchdown, I said this is cooked.
13:11>> Yeah.
13:12>> Like I just was like I was ready to go
13:13to bed at that moment.
13:15>> Well, cuz I think Raheem the play before
13:17a couple plays before he ran in a
13:19touchdown or ran a long one to the one,
13:20but it was called back. So, you
13:22definitely saw that he had the he had
13:23the goods uh at least. Um
13:25>> but then he they push it back 10 10
13:28yards 15 yards for the hold penalty and
13:30he still runs it in. I'm like, "Oh, this
13:32is done."
13:32>> Right. Right. Right. Can we can we talk
13:34about backyard bow?
13:36>> Sure. Yeah.
13:38>> I mean
13:38>> I mean I I had Wadd one for two yards,
13:41Sutton two for 11. Like what what the
13:43hell happened to Backyard? What was
13:44going on? And plus that crazy play that
13:46you're about to bring up. Yeah.
13:48>> Well, is that the worst drive in the
13:50history? It was if they had turned it
13:51over, if the Chiefs guy could have
13:52picked it up, maybe the worst drive in
13:54the history of the NFL. You get a first
13:55and goal at the five. You get a holding
13:57penalty, a disastrous hold that didn't
13:59need to happen. That would have sprung a
14:01touchdown. And then Bo is running around
14:04like 2020 Carson Wentz uh trying to
14:07evade defenders, gets hit from behind,
14:08fumbles the ball on the edge of the
14:10sideline. I I don't I think we only
14:13remember with Backyard Bow all the crazy
14:15comebacks and the plays. But it's also
14:17important to realize how hard it is to
14:19pull off some of the [ __ ] that he did
14:21last year and how unsustainable so much
14:22of it was. And I think you saw the
14:24limitations that last night. They were
14:26never been a good run offense. Great.
14:28They got Waddle. He didn't do [ __ ]
14:30either. uh they don't have a quarterback
14:32that's able to consistently execute uh
14:35over the middle. And so I just that was
14:37always my one skepticism with Denver
14:39this year and why I was like pretty
14:41lukewarm and on the team it's just like
14:44they've never actually had a good
14:46offense.
14:48>> Yeah, it's tough for him because the
14:50offense is always questionable. The
14:52defense and I give Vance Joseph all the
14:53credit in the world the last couple
14:55years um and he's my pick for assistant
14:57coach of the year. He has that defense
14:59humming always. So when you see a stat
15:01like Denver had a comeback in 15 games
15:04last year. They were trailing in 15
15:06games and won what? 14. They won 14 or
15:0913. I can't remember. 14. That's why you
15:11maybe don't consider that an outlier
15:13because the defense is so good. But my
15:16god, I'm looking at them now. Raheem,
15:18you want to guess what their odds are to
15:19make the playoffs?
15:21>> Um, I'm going to say it's probably 2
15:24to1.
15:26>> Plus 170.
15:27>> It's even. They're minus 112 to make the
15:30playoffs.
15:30>> Interesting.
15:31>> The market does not care that they lost.
15:34>> Well, I mean, they were, you know what
15:35it is? They were dogs.
15:36>> Yeah, but not really. Like two points.
15:38>> No, I mean a three-point dog, so it's
15:40probably priced in.
15:41>> Yeah. Well, but optically that team has
15:44more problems than something, you know,
15:46than just losing to the favorite Chiefs
15:48in
15:49>> Can we do the bit where we name all the
15:50quarterbacks they beat last year?
15:53>> I mean,
15:53>> it's a pretty funny list.
15:55>> It's all junk.
15:57Jake Browning,
15:59>> Jackson Fields, [laughter]
16:02>> Jackson Dart with a miraculous comeback
16:04that
16:05>> Gino Smith times too.
16:06>> They knocked Strat out of the game.
16:08>> They played Yeah. Gino twice.
16:10>> They played Mariota. They avoided
16:12Mahomes once.
16:14>> They played Love in the game where Love
16:15got hurt or sorry when Parsons got hurt.
16:18>> And also their defense in games where
16:19they played real QBs last year. 29 to
16:23the Char to the Colts, 23 to the
16:25Chargers.
16:27We could maybe count Philly 24 to to
16:29Dallas.
16:30>> There's some real questions about their
16:31defense. We'll get I mean we're going to
16:32get into like week two bets I think
16:34early looks. The first bet I placed in
16:36week two was uh before last night even
16:38happened
16:39>> and it was against their defense.
16:40>> Wow.
16:41>> And the quarterback Karma caught up with
16:45them as they had they were forced to
16:46start Jared Stdum in the AFC
16:48Championship game I guess.
16:50>> Sports guy says uh can you guys talk
16:52about the officials rigging the game for
16:54the Chiefs? Oh, interesting.
16:56>> I'm not sure about that. Did the
16:57officials make the Broncos miss all the
16:59tackles?
17:02>> I hope this isn't our sports guy 33, but
17:04I do hate the whole when a team loses by
17:06three touchdowns pointing right at the
17:08refs. But go ahead, Dundo. Go ahead.
17:10What What
17:11>> tackles definitely got away with a few
17:13holes in pass protection. That was the
17:15one concern we have with the Chiefs
17:16going in, but I mean, handoff up the
17:18middle,
17:20you got a chance to tackle Walker for a
17:22three- yard gain. How many times did he
17:23turn three yard gains into 10, 15, 20,
17:2670 yard gains,
17:28>> right? Yeah, absolutely. I don't know. I
17:31guess maybe it could.
17:32>> And if anything, Bo Nicks like almost
17:34had a turnover that got overturned. It
17:36was like a super close. Was his hand
17:38empty going forward play. The game was
17:41already decided by then, but I was
17:42certainly on pins and needles because
17:44they overunder.
17:46>> What was that? I was listening with no
17:48sound. So his hand that was just a hand
17:49going forward thing. other hand was
17:51third goal from midfield or something
17:53>> had the ball. Yeah,
17:55>> that was weird. But I mean I I gotta
17:56give I think we just got to give some
17:58credit to Kansas City's defense. I mean
17:59they pressured Bo Knicks on 45 and a
18:01half% of his drop backs and one of the
18:03strengths of this Broncos team was
18:04supposed to be their offensive line and
18:07it wasn't that. So I I think you know
18:09they had one explosive play. Um they had
18:12a 37% success rate, four sacks, two
18:15turnovers, just three second half
18:17points. at at some point. We got to give
18:19credit to Kansas City. Um because I mean
18:21you're looking at Kansas City, nobody
18:23expected their defense to be really
18:25good, especially when you're down a
18:26corner in the game. So, props to them.
18:30>> I was excited about that.
18:31>> Three second half points and it was the
18:33drive that started at the Kansas City 5.
18:35>> That's true.
18:36>> Yeah. Right. Otherwise, it was six plays
18:38punt, three plays punt, three plays
18:40punt, three plays punt, four plays punt,
18:45four plays, negative eight yards, field
18:46goal,
18:48and then fumble punt.
18:50>> I I think the question here that a lot
18:53of people are going to ask because right
18:55now the Kansas City Chiefs are 14 to1 to
18:57win the Super Bowl. I I think they were
18:5817 to1 before this game. A lot of people
19:01are going to wonder, all right, do I
19:03take a flyer on Momes and do I take a
19:05flyer on Reed? I I came into this season
19:08thinking about the 2009 Patriots and you
19:12know, it took Brady a little bit of time
19:14to get going as well. Um, and ultimately
19:16they end up flaming out, but I think a
19:18lot of people are going to ask that
19:19question. A lot of people going to want
19:20to play that lottery ticket. So, what do
19:21you guys think?
19:23>> It was an amazing play last night.
19:25>> Who? Mahomes.
19:25>> Did Mahomes play well last night?
19:28I think he played good enough for that
19:30team to win. Like I was about to bury
19:32Spags. That was going to be my
19:33narrative. Like, oh, his defense. Yeah.
19:35Okay. It's come and gone. You know, it's
19:37uh it's Lannor Rumo. It's the same kind
19:39of thing here. The defense might be back
19:41a little bit. Mahomes might be okay. And
19:43this Kenneth Walker pickup I think is
19:45good enough to put them. I mean, this is
19:47Raheem said it like you would expect
19:49like a slow start. Now that they're not
19:50getting the slow start and they're not,
19:52I don't think fully taking advantage of
19:54uh ref help. That might be a good number
19:57at plus400.
19:59>> I I can't do it just because Buffalo and
20:01Baltimore's offense has looked like
20:03they're in a different tier and I think
20:05you're bringing a knife to a gunfight if
20:06you think the Chiefs can just power run
20:08their way to a
20:09>> to an AFC run right now. I I would need
20:11to see the pass offense show way more
20:14than they did last night before I
20:15invested.
20:16>> But I mean I think you know the
20:18counterpoint to that argument is does
20:20Buffalo have a good defense?
20:23I mean, I I I do think, you know,
20:25Baltimore's defense is is solid and, you
20:28know, it has some real potential. I
20:29mean, obviously, you got Jesse Mentor in
20:31there and you saw what he did with the
20:32Chargers and it appears that the
20:35Chargers are really missing Jesse Mentor
20:37at this point in time based on what
20:38Arizona did last week. So, I mean, I I'm
20:41not willing to take
20:42>> Houston's defense isn't based on one
20:44game isn't right, you know, top of the
20:46top of the heap right there either.
20:48Yeah, I mean I'm not necessarily willing
20:50to take this price, but I I think
20:51they're going to be people who are
20:52willing to take it. And I it's kind of
20:55hard to argue with it.
20:56>> The two top defenses that got cooked,
20:59Denver and Houston,
21:01>> are you buying a bounceback or selling a
21:03bounce back on them?
21:05>> I think Houston gets the bounce back
21:07because from a success rate, what like
21:10Buffalo only had like a 40% success
21:11rate, right?
21:12>> Yeah. And I think ultimately they just
21:14generated a ton of explosives which I
21:17mean we it's week one and it's Josh
21:19Allen. So I am buying a bounce back from
21:22them. When it comes to Denver
21:25>> or skeptical
21:26>> I'm a little skeptical but I I think I
21:28mean you lose Franklin maybe that that
21:30hurt the run game a little bit.
21:32>> Yeah.
21:33>> I I'm I'm willing to just you know hold
21:35on it. I'm going to say you know but
21:36they're better than what they showed
21:37last night. You want to see guys tackle,
21:38right, before you fully commit to that.
21:40[laughter]
21:41>> It's tough. The great thing about week
21:43two is we don't have to chalk anything
21:45up to an overreaction. If we see it
21:47twice in a row, it now becomes a full-on
21:49narrative that we have to stick to until
21:52we bet and lose um every every
21:54everything we have.
21:55>> But you know, you know what's so funny
21:56about that though?
21:58>> I think we've gotten to a point with the
22:0117 game season that
22:03>> like even starting 0 and2 is isn't a
22:05death sentence anymore.
22:06>> It's fine. Oh yeah.
22:08>> So it's like
22:09>> now we're getting to the point where you
22:11almost got to push the overreaction back
22:13to week three.
22:15>> Well, we're going to get to that exact
22:17point in in a second when we do our
22:18value futures picks um after week one. I
22:21do want to hit you with the division
22:23odds real quick. Are you are you moved
22:25by any of these? Casey even, Chargers
22:27plus 280, Denver plus 290, and the
22:30undefeated Raiders are 13 to1. Now the
22:33Chargers, I mentioned Denver's playoff
22:35odds. Chargers are about the same.
22:36They're they're a they're I think like
22:38the same like minus 120 to make the
22:40playoffs. But anyway, for the AFC West,
22:42any of those numbers jump out at you?
22:44[snorts]
22:45>> Nope. No.
22:47>> Not going to be able to do it.
22:49[laughter]
22:50>> That was a Jaylen Rose double X posi.
22:53>> I love that.
22:54>> All right, lots to go. Okay, so let's do
22:57this. I'm going to start with this
22:59because Raheem brought it up and it's 17
23:02weeks and there's highs and lows and
23:05there's um and the way they place value
23:07on teams is interesting because it's 17
23:09weeks. So, I'm going to go Ravens to win
23:12the AFC North at minus it was - 110 -
23:15115 this morning. And it's not going to
23:18sound right, but the reason I say take
23:19the Ravens now is because there's no
23:22value in taking the Ravens now. I know
23:25it sounds stupid, [laughter]
23:27but hear me out. FanDuel and the books,
23:29Raheem,
23:30>> juiced the Ravens so much. I mean,
23:33remember last year they were two and
23:34five and even to win the division. I
23:37know they were counting on, you know,
23:39injuries, you know, getting healthy and
23:41everything. Two and five and even to win
23:43the division. So, I think even this
23:45year, if they're like four and two or
23:46five and three, this is going to balloon
23:48out to minus 220 by Halloween. So, if
23:51you talk about like trading in and out
23:52of positions, it's a great start. And
23:55you know, [clears throat] they win last
23:56week and they don't really gain on the
23:58division. Cincinnati won, Pittsburgh
23:59won, Cleveland lost, but who cares? They
24:01were never a threat. I feel optically
24:03they gain an edge on these teams.
24:05Bengals offense now we have to worry
24:07about a little and Baker didn't if he
24:10didn't do dumb things, you know, that
24:12that would have been more of a scare for
24:14the Bengals. Steelers, whatever. They
24:16knuckle ball their way to a a win over
24:18one of the projected worst teams. I
24:19don't see many special things from them
24:21other than TJ Watt and I, you know, I
24:23get the Flowers and Lane injuries aren't
24:25great, although they should be back, but
24:26this is Lamar's division and maybe
24:28conference. I think he and King Henry,
24:30who Simmons and I talked about,
24:32adnauseium, you can't say enough about
24:34this guy, could have probably put up 50
24:36on Token's terrible Colts. Come on,
24:38let's face it. Um, I like them at minus
24:42110 to win the division. Raheem, you
24:45don't like that?
24:47>> I I'm I'm not mad at that. like I'm I'm
24:49not mad at that at all. And obviously
24:51I'm high on the Ravens. So um I think
24:53you know on a show about two weeks ago I
24:56gave out the Ravens to start like five
24:57and up.
24:58>> Um and I think after you know game one I
25:00think a lot of people will agree with
25:01that. I think that market's actually
25:02been cut in half. I think it's it was
25:04plus 460 on FanDuel. Now I think it's
25:06like plus 260 or something like that.
25:08>> Well I'm looking at the three of the
25:09five teams they play now. Dallas
25:12downgrade. Tennessee downgrade. Atlanta,
25:15maybe PennX is back by then, but big
25:16downgrade,
25:18>> right? So, what's their odds to win the
25:20division after those if they run run
25:22that uh short table?
25:24>> Well, Cincinnati might do something
25:26similar with their schedule.
25:28>> Yeah.
25:29>> Cincinnati, I'm sorry. They have a
25:30tougher stretch coming up here. They're
25:31at Houston this week at Pittsburgh.
25:32>> This is a tough game this week. Yeah,
25:34we'll see. All right, Raheem, you're
25:35Let's Let's stay in that same division
25:37uh for your value pick.
25:39>> Um, no, we're not in that same division.
25:42Mark the Browns in the same.
25:44>> No, no, no, no. Like I think you're you
25:46got to look at the notes again. I
25:47changed it.
25:48>> Okay. Go ahead. All right. You always
25:50always
25:52keep on your toes. That's all right. I
25:54know.
25:55>> Okay. So, we have worst team in the NFL
25:59odds. So, I'm going to go with the
26:02Tennessee Titans at plus 460.
26:05>> So, if you look at the board right now,
26:07obviously Miami is the favorite at plus
26:09140. as a 41.7% imply, followed by the
26:12Cleveland Browns at plus 370, a 21.3%
26:16imply. At plus 460, you're looking at
26:1917.9. So, you got to be right about 18%
26:22of the time in order for you to break
26:24even. So, the market is saying that
26:27Miami is 2.3 times as likely as
26:30Tennessee to have the worst record in
26:32the NFL. And I'm not quite sure I'm
26:35buying that. You look at Tennessee, they
26:37were one and a half point favorites
26:38against the Jets. They got held to 195
26:41total yards. Now, let's look at their
26:42schedule. You look at their schedule,
26:45you got to play the Philadelphia Eagles.
26:48If you can't do anything with the Jets,
26:49I don't know how you do anything with
26:50the Philadelphia Eagles. Then you're on
26:52the road to the Giants and on the road
26:54to the Ravens. And then you come back
26:56home and you got to take the va take on
26:58a vaunted Houston Texans defense before
27:02going back on the road and playing the
27:04Colts.
27:06right there looking you're looking at 0
27:07and six right now.
27:10>> So at plus 460
27:13I mean this is going to be closer to 2
27:16to one by week seven. So I I just think
27:21the price on this is right. Now the one
27:23thing I will say about this you go add
27:26up all the probabilities on FanDuel
27:29sports book for this market
27:32it's a very high hold. I mean, it adds
27:34up to 155%. So, the hold on this market
27:37is it's very, very high. And I don't
27:41give a [ __ ] Sorry for cursing. I don't
27:44care because I think this team is
27:45starting 0 and six. I think Tennessee is
27:48in a bad bad spot. I know Miami is in a
27:52tough position. They look pretty bad,
27:55but Miami might be better than
27:56Tennessee. So,
27:58>> give it to me.
27:59>> You know, you forget though, Tennessee
28:00has to play the Colts twice. That's the
28:02only thing I don't like. Uh oh, it's
28:04fine. The Bundo, all our teams suck. I
28:06could I could poke a little fun. Um, no,
28:08I did say uh Sal could be
28:11>> Salah could be a one and done or three
28:14quarters and done. I mean, this could be
28:15a thing like where they are 0 and you
28:18know one and 11 Raheem and they're like,
28:20"All right, it's just not working out.
28:22It's just it didn't work out for the
28:23Jets. We screwed up here. We got to get
28:25rid of you now." Honestly, I think
28:28>> I want solid to just have a chance with
28:31a better quarterback.
28:32>> Like you look at the quarterbacks he's
28:34like he's he's been with.
28:36>> I mean, it's been a old Aaron Rogers has
28:38been I mean, I have no idea some of
28:40those quarterbacks he had with the Jets.
28:41I just want him to have a better
28:42opportunity.
28:43>> Zach Wil,
28:46I think, won a game or two.
28:48>> Yeah, that has been great.
28:50>> Brady Cook, did Brady Cook get a start
28:51in there?
28:53>> Think he might have.
28:54>> He might have. Yeah, it's a it's a it's
28:56a sad list. All right, the Bundo and
28:59they still have these more wins than X
29:01over Y. I like this. Yeah. Yeah.
29:04>> Um, you know, both the Jets and the
29:07Raiders are undefeated.
29:08>> They both won their respective toilet
29:10bowls.
29:11>> Uh, I think one looked more impressive
29:13than the other.
29:14>> I I went back and spend about 22 minutes
29:16of my life that I'll never get back
29:18re-watching Dolphins Raiders. And
29:23the Raiders did really well on laydowns.
29:26They definitely got nice pressure on
29:28Willis. They took advantage of the Miami
29:29offensive line, which I thought would be
29:30better than it was, but their offense
29:33didn't look that impressive to me at
29:34all. I thought for large stretches, they
29:36were just kind of like Cousins looked
29:38pretty old. Uh I texted with Raiders
29:41afficionado Austin Gale. He thinks that
29:42Mendoza is in sooner rather than later.
29:45I think they're the Raiders are just
29:47going to at some point have to just try
29:51to focus on the future. Everything about
29:53this Jets team besides the fact that
29:55they're called the Jets would suggest
29:57that they're actually improved. And I
29:59don't again the reason I couldn't bet
30:00they're over was because I don't like
30:01the coach and I don't like the OC. So, I
30:03just kind of like danced around how I
30:05really felt about them. But the O line
30:07looked really good, really good on
30:10Sunday and they did it against a
30:12Tennessee defense that's supposed to be
30:13a good D line. Simmons and Franklin
30:15Myers. Like it's it's a it's a front
30:16seven that we think is pretty good.
30:19>> And Gino looked pretty comfortable back
30:20there because of that O line. Maybe the
30:22best O line he's played with since his
30:24resurgence. So you look at this Jets
30:26team and you're like, "All right, well,
30:28I don't think they have much of a
30:29ceiling." But
30:30>> if the Raiders are going to pull the
30:31plug here, we can get Jets headtohead
30:33versus Raiders at plus money. I'm in.
30:35I'm in. Because again,
30:38>> the Raiders have this albatross sitting
30:40there where it's like at some point they
30:42might just go to Mendoza and odds are he
30:44will not be very good. So,
30:45>> right,
30:46>> to start his career. [clears throat] So,
30:47I think the Jets plus money against the
30:48Raiders. Let's go, baby. I'm in.
30:51>> The seven win Jets are going to really
30:52uh
30:53>> and you want to get crazy. I mean, when
30:54you're really nuts, you know, we we
30:57joked about this preseason, but if you
30:58think the Jets have a chance at a wild
30:59card, which I wouldn't go that far,
31:01Glenn coach of the year is like not the
31:03craziest bet you've ever had cuz the
31:04expectations were so low.
31:07>> Yeah.
31:07>> That if he just gets to nine and eight,
31:09like doesn't he win?
31:10>> That's the kind of
31:11>> I think he's 19 to1. Actually, I thought
31:13about that this morning as well,
31:14especially when you consider
31:15>> column. I was like, if you like the
31:16Jets, you should be on
31:19>> Well, so when you think gets it, Raheem,
31:22well, you have to get in the playoffs,
31:23right? Honestly,
31:25>> eight wins.
31:27>> Eight wins might [laughter] do a fair.
31:29>> With that being said, I I don't want to
31:30We're at the great risk of overreacting
31:32here because they played a Titans team
31:34that we think is really shitty. But
31:35again, I think the O line is the big
31:37>> the big factor here. They're they
31:39dominated that game in the trenches.
31:41>> Here's the interesting thing.
31:42>> Darren Glenn Towel was the big factor.
31:43Keep the interesting thing last week and
31:46they still won.
31:47>> The interesting thing is that they play
31:48Green Bay this week.
31:50>> Yeah. And that line has moved from an
31:52opener of 6 and a half
31:54>> and there are now three and a halfs in
31:56the market on the New York Jets against
31:58the Green Bay Packers. So the sharp like
32:00I mean the Sharps are absolutely
32:01exploding on this game based on what we
32:04saw last week. And if they are right
32:06>> that Aaron Glenn number might come down.
32:09All right. So this dubtales nicely into
32:11a segment that Raheem had us add and I'm
32:13glad he did. As long as we have early
32:15week two leans, we might as well give
32:17them to you now. And mine is the Jets
32:19plus 172 over the Packers.
32:23>> Packers, look, they're on the road. And
32:25I always say if a team has one
32:26ridiculous loss in them, they certainly
32:29have two. And Matt Laflur's going to
32:31have to dig deep. But and a G it's just
32:34this game jumped out at me because
32:36there's always a how is this team 2 and
32:380 and how is this team 0 and2 matchup at
32:40the end of the day on the slate? And
32:42this has a potential to be that one. And
32:45I have the package. I had them to win
32:46the AFC North. This was supposed to be
32:48their easy stretch, right? They the NFL
32:50did did them a little bit of a favor
32:52before Micah Parsons got back, but I
32:55don't know. I could definitely see the
32:57world falling in love with Gino Smith
32:58for a few weeks here. So, I'm not
33:00locking this in, but this is the one
33:02that jumped out at me immediately. Plus
33:04172. You guys are locking step on on a
33:06few of these. I don't know. Did you
33:07compare notes earlier, but um Raheem,
33:10hit us with the Steelers Pats under 42
33:12and a half. So, you look at this
33:15Pittsburgh Steelers offense. They could
33:19not score against an Atlanta Falcons
33:21defense that really has no pass rush. I
33:23mean, you got one guy injured, one guy
33:25suspended, you put up 20 points, and now
33:28you have to go up against a tougher
33:30Patriots defense. And to me, if you look
33:33at the Patriots, what are they without
33:35AJ Brown? And obviously it's not you're
33:38not just losing AJ Brown,
33:40>> you're also losing Stefon Diggs from
33:43last year. You're also losing Keshan
33:45Booty. So now you're essentially down
33:48three receivers from what you were last
33:50year. So I don't think the offense is
33:53going to be as good. I kind of want to
33:56really lay it with the the the Patriots
33:58to be honest with you, but I I think the
34:00under is a better play. But I mean, if
34:02you look at the Steelers last week, the
34:03offense was so abysmal. 32% success
34:06rate, a 34% passing success rate, 27.8%
34:10rushing success rate. They could do
34:12nothing. Like you're watching that game
34:14and the Steelers are basically saying
34:16Atlanta, take this and Cooper Rush and
34:19Atlanta could not take it. So I
34:22>> I go back and forth on Pittsburgh
34:24because if you watch that game back,
34:25they were like four plays that they came
34:27this close to hitting
34:28>> down the field, [clears throat]
34:29>> including the passive not called pass
34:31interference,
34:32>> right? They had like a they had a big
34:34drop by Medav then the one where he got
34:36clearly interfered with and those are
34:38like 230ish like they are they did throw
34:40it down the field
34:41>> and that's what the thing with McCarthy
34:42like we saw them push down the field and
34:44it didn't quite come off.
34:46>> That's the only thing that scares me
34:47about this but I agree with
34:48>> Ree
34:50and you like the under 42 and a half
34:52also.
34:52>> The the worst game of Drake May's
34:54regular season last year
34:56was against the Las Vegas Raiders. M
35:00>> and who was the defensive coordinator of
35:01the Las Vegas Raiders last year? Our
35:03man, mad man, Pat Graham.
35:05>> Mhm.
35:05>> And Graham's big thing is we will not
35:07get beat over the top. We are not going
35:09to blitz and we're going to get pressure
35:11with four and we're going to sit and
35:12we're going to make you be methodical.
35:14And that's really been a not how the
35:17Patriots have been successful. They
35:18forced down the field.
35:19And I think if there's any reaction we
35:22get from Drake May off of throwing three
35:24picks when he tried to throw down the
35:25field, he might be a little bit more
35:27conservative knowing that they're
35:29playing a a pretty limited offense in
35:31this game. So I agree with the under. I
35:34I was pretty impressed with Zacher and
35:35the defense in week one. I think this
35:37game gets played uh pretty similarly
35:40um to last year's meeting when there
35:42were no explosives and all the all the
35:43points came off turnovers.
35:45>> Can I just sidebar here? We'll get to
35:47your other leans. Uh, we'll zigzag back
35:49and forth, but he brought up the
35:51Patriots Raiders and it got me thinking
35:54like, you know, everybody loves the
35:56Cardinals now, and it seems like a lot
35:58of people love the Jets, but
36:01were we high on the Raiders after they
36:03beat the Patriots? Because they went on
36:05to be just as terrible as we thought
36:06they would be, right? So, one of these
36:08bad teams that lucked out and got a win
36:12or looked good and got a win in week one
36:14is going to be bad.
36:16>> So, what if it's the Raiders?
36:18They [laughter] could be the Raiders
36:19again. Yeah, but they they didn't beat,
36:21you know, they they didn't pull off like
36:22a 9.8 point underdog win. Yeah. So, all
36:26right. That's all I want to say.
36:27[clears throat] Go ahead, Rahee. Hit us
36:28with another one.
36:28>> Um, so this one's ugly. I'm going with
36:32the Browns Bucks over 40 and a half.
36:35>> Uh, I think the the the hypothesis for
36:38this is basically that I don't think the
36:40the Browns defense is any good this
36:41year. And, you know, maybe that's a
36:43strong reaction, but you know, they were
36:45down 14 nothing early in that game. that
36:47gave up 30 plus points to Jacksonville.
36:49I think Tampa Bay should be able to
36:51score some points. And I also think I
36:55mean you're dependent on Deshun Watson
36:57to, you know, to do his part in the job,
37:00but ultimately I think both of these
37:02teams could turn the ball over and you
37:03can get some short fields. I think 40
37:04and a half is short. I think this should
37:06probably be around 44.
37:09>> So, I'm going to go over there. And then
37:11the final one, I'm going to go with the
37:13Carolina Panthers. And this is just a a
37:17strict fade of Atlanta's quarterback
37:20situation.
37:21>> Yeah,
37:21>> Pennix might come back. He might not.
37:23>> No way he plays this week.
37:25>> But I mean, either way, you're going
37:26against Cooper Rush. And I just I I
37:29don't really have much respect for the
37:32Atlanta defense at this point. And then
37:33also, if you look offensively, they lost
37:35their guard, um, Chris, um, Linderbal.
37:39Um, and I think he is he's in a
37:42concussion concussion protocol. So, I
37:44think that puts him in a bad spot. Now,
37:46the one thing that's scary about this is
37:47that Carolina, they gave up nearly 300
37:50yards rushing last week to the Bears,
37:53but um
37:54>> pretty good running back they're facing
37:56this week.
37:56>> Yeah, but I mean like if you just you
37:58can load the box. You can load the box
38:00with and I don't think Cooper Rushing
38:03can beat you over the top. No,
38:05>> give me Carol.
38:06>> I see people who were betting leaning on
38:10betting big money on this Atlanta
38:12Carolina game as the same people who
38:14would sit down and play blackjack at
38:16where blackjack pays five to nine. Like
38:19what? Just stay away
38:21at all. You're just
38:22>> there's so much better crap out there.
38:25But
38:25>> I mean this this is a lean right now,
38:27but I'm probably going to be end up I'm
38:29probably going to end up like I mean
38:30because I think
38:31>> sometimes you find yourself in a
38:33position to where you you say to
38:34yourself this might be the last time I
38:36get a chance to capitalize off of a bad
38:39te.
38:39>> All right, that's true. Okay.
38:41>> Uh you know, it's funny. I was looking
38:43at teaser legs cuz I was mad about the
38:45Broncos last night. the number one
38:47teaser leg this week based on like the,
38:49you know, the the textbook definition.
38:51You get a divisional home dog over a
38:54touchdown with Atlanta and it's like
38:56you're supposed to bet that.
38:57>> Oh, no way.
38:58>> We just did that.
38:59>> Low low total,
39:00>> right?
39:01>> Home team, divisional game off a loss.
39:04It's like everything we we talk about
39:06with
39:06>> We literally just did that same scenario
39:09last night.
39:10>> It was a road team though, to be fair.
39:11>> A road team. What quarterback news would
39:14you like to hear to to feel better about
39:16your
39:17>> I think I want Penn in there.
39:19>> Fine.
39:20>> I would rather have Penn [laughter]
39:21on one leg just dropping back and
39:23throwing balls up to Drake London
39:25probably better
39:27>> than Cooper Rush.
39:28>> Penn with a do-agg covered over his face
39:30might be a better option. [laughter]
39:32>> And also, you know, again, you did see
39:35how creative they had to get
39:37>> with trying to get the ball out of Bjan.
39:38Like they were splitting him out. They
39:40were throwing bubble screens. regular
39:42screens, dump offs, slant
39:44>> and
39:45>> it's just an like why Drake London and
39:47Kyle Pitcher just doing cardio out
39:49there,
39:50>> right?
39:51>> Panics can at least get it to them, I
39:52think. But I I'm not betting the Falcons
39:55at least by by choice. So, not not
39:58>> Speaking of bad teams to Bundo, you have
40:00Dallas written down as a lean and then
40:02like 16 question marks. So, I don't know
40:03which way you're going with that.
40:05>> Uh I kind of like this matchup for
40:07Dallas. Um the commander secondary upon
40:12rewatch
40:14um I have two thoughts. One if the if
40:16the Eagles O line blocked a little
40:18better that would have been an ugly
40:20performance for the commander uglier
40:22performance for the commander secondary
40:23than it ended up being. They still had
40:25multiple coverage buffs. We know they
40:27want to bring pressure right the Dante
40:29Jones comes from the Flores scheme but
40:31you can't blitz Dak like teams who tried
40:33blitzing Dak. It never works. He carves
40:35it open. Pickings and Lamb, like I think
40:37they can kind of name their number. And
40:39could the Commanders do the same thing
40:41back? [snorts] Maybe. But this feels
40:43like
40:43>> Yes. Yes. They the freaking Giants ran a
40:45play four times in a row that the
40:47Cowboys couldn't get. You You can't You
40:48can't bet the Cowboys in any capacity
40:50until you see that these young guys,
40:52these eight new starters are
40:54>> also home Dallas though. We've been
40:56doing this for how many years now? S
40:58home Dallas.
41:00>> Great at home. Now, when Raheem and I
41:02saw the the beginning of the end to the
41:04Cowboys home um you know dominance when
41:07they lost to the Packers
41:10brutal.
41:11>> God bless. That was it. It was and then
41:13we've lost every game at home by 20
41:15since then. All right.
41:16>> So, I mean I thought that one then the
41:17first bet I made was Jags Broncos over
41:1944 and a half. Uh
41:22the Jags are going to test the
41:23secondary. The thing about Jacksonville
41:25is they're so good at spreading the ball
41:27around. They're not relying on one guy.
41:28So Certan cannot just I mean if Certan
41:31wants to shadow Brian Thomas all day
41:32that's fine. The the Jags don't use him
41:34anyway. Uh they might not be able to run
41:36the ball but I think they can throw it
41:38all over this defense. And then I think
41:40bounceback spot for the the Bick's
41:42disaster class in the home opener. Uh
41:44Jags going to elevation potential
41:46defense wearing out. All this points to
41:48this total being too low. It should be
41:50closer to 46 47. So Jags Broncos over
41:53Dallas. I haven't bet Dallas yet. I
41:55really
41:56>> look more like you. No, you know what
41:58though? That game is interesting because
42:00I'm thinking about that too as well.
42:02These two teams played last year.
42:04Dallas at home won 4422
42:08as one and a half point favorites.
42:11>> Who do Daniels played that game? What's
42:14the difference between
42:15>> Oh, that's right. We They blew the the
42:17off him defensively. Yeah.
42:18>> Yeah. Like what like what's what's the
42:20difference between like is the is the
42:22rosters that much different? the
42:24Commander defense is better, but yeah,
42:27you're right.
42:28>> You know, is it that much? And then
42:29obviously they did play on Christmas. I
42:31don't think Jayen Daniels played that
42:32game.
42:33>> No. Right.
42:34>> Yeah. So, it's like And I mean,
42:35>> we watched that game together. We had
42:37Cowboys team total. I had Cowboys team
42:38total over. I think they had like 20 at
42:41the half.
42:42>> It was just a beatd down.
42:43>> 27 points at the half. They went
42:46>> touchdown, field goal, touchdown, punt,
42:49field goal, touchdown in the first half.
42:51It was 27 to 15 at the break.
42:54>> You know what? I I'm going Dallas, too.
42:56>> I'm going down. This This is
42:58>> What's happening here?
42:59>> Look, [laughter] I'm going down with the
43:00[ __ ]
43:02>> You can go. You might as well You might
43:04as well go down with us.
43:05>> And I hated Washington. If you do
43:07anything with week one, I would have
43:08this line at six.
43:10>> The Cowboys defense was statistically
43:12worse than the Panthers who allowed 50.
43:14>> You know what? I don't think it was that
43:16bad. I think it was just
43:17>> No, it was that bad. No, you I'm I'm
43:20going to be honest with you. that bad?
43:21No, it was
43:21>> No, no. I'm I'm going to be real. If the
43:25Giants don't go nine for 11 on third
43:27down,
43:28>> but they were all like third and three.
43:30[laughter]
43:30>> No, there was there was some third and
43:3110 in there.
43:32>> Yeah. Well, that not great for the
43:34second play over and over.
43:35>> No, no. My my big thing is like the the
43:37power run game bullied them. Bore them
43:39down. It's not going to be the
43:40Commanders.
43:42>> All right. I don't [laughter] know.
43:44Again, bad tackling. I I'm I'm more
43:47confident in the Broncos bad tackling to
43:49rebound this week than I am the Cowboys
43:51with guys just missing assignments and
43:52looking at each other and I'm not sure I
43:54trust this new defensive
43:55>> Cowboys had two possessions in the
43:56second half.
43:58>> Yeah, but that that's the worst part of
44:00it that like that you can't have worse
44:01defense when you when you get slow get
44:04scored on slowly, right? Like when that
44:06and that's what the Giants did. You just
44:08don't have a chance at that point.
44:10>> Second most efficient offense in the
44:11NFL, the Dallas Cowboys.
44:13>> Their offense is good. And listen, I've
44:15come a long way. I'm You see the the the
44:18cardboard cutout in the background. I'm
44:19a big Romo fan. I might get I might be
44:22at the point where I feel worse luckwise
44:24for for Dak than I do for Romo.
44:28>> And really then that takes a that t this
44:30is like a decade of this now. This is
44:32this is really bad [ __ ]
44:33>> You know, I got to shout out my guy
44:35Jason Maples, you know, big um you know,
44:39basketball coach. He's a Cowboys fan as
44:41well.
44:42He says that he's rooting for the day in
44:44which Dak Prescott
44:47rei um you is with Shawn McVey and is
44:51having his Matthew Stafer era.
44:54>> Yeah.
44:54>> Yeah. There's a lot of comps. [laughter]
44:56>> Like I think that's going to happen at
44:58some point.
44:59>> If that were the QB of any other team,
45:01people would be like this guy's he would
45:03get the same Justin Herbert love.
45:05>> Yeah. We're a top five, six, seven team.
45:09Every year I make it to the finish line
45:10as a quarterback. Points scored. Um, and
45:13nothing
45:13>> I'm so mad you said Justin Herbert love
45:15too because Justin Herbert hasn't like
45:17accomplish anything what do Dak has
45:19accomplished.
45:20>> Oh, I agree. Look, I'm the biggest Dak
45:21fan. I might be a bigger Dak fan than
45:23both of y'all to be honest cuz I haven't
45:25had to deal cuz I don't get hurt when he
45:26plays bad in a playoff game or two. It
45:28doesn't bother me.
45:30>> Well, listen, we're not nearly at the
45:31playoffs, but we'll win these [laughter]
45:33effing games where he's playing well.
45:35>> I was digging around S, by the way. to
45:36the Jets.
45:38>> Should we start putting in the the
45:40anti-tomlin?
45:43>> So, Packers first half, Jets win the
45:45game.
45:46>> I see
45:47>> it is. It is plus 950.
45:49>> All right, let me write that down.
45:50That's not bad. [laughter]
45:52>> That's not bad.
45:54>> So, what is that? That's the uh the
45:56slice special. The the New York slice
45:58special. I don't know. Yeah. What would
46:00we call that? Yeah. No,
46:01>> it has to be something with Lafleur.
46:02Laflop.
46:03>> Oh, I see. The floor flop. Yeah. Matt
46:05Laflop. Yeah.
46:07>> In all serious, what is the I want to
46:09know the prices on Laflur to be the
46:11first first head coach fired.
46:13>> They just gave him a big extension ree.
46:15>> Oh wow.
46:15>> Yeah. But that's usually the kiss of
46:16death when you get an extension. Yeah.
46:19Depending on the organization they'll
46:21they'll cut you even. So I mean I think
46:23it happens contract extension in
46:25January. [snorts]
46:26>> Yeah.
46:27>> All right. I mean this Cowboys talk is
46:29just nuts. Uh I just I should remind you
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47:30do we have the Bundo? Where are we? How
47:32many games?
47:33>> A week and a half.
47:34>> 12 left for most teams.
47:36>> Wow. It does.
47:37>> Yep.
47:38>> There you go. And quickly, I do want to
47:40look at this because people should be
47:42making a bigger deal out of the um the
47:44first two buy thing, right? First two
47:46teams getting buys in each league. Now,
47:49is that shaping up? So, all right. So,
47:51Tampa's going to get one.
47:52>> Yep.
47:53>> And All right. So now it's still a
47:55battle between the White Socks,
47:57Guardians, Houston, and the Texas
47:59Rangers. That's three games separate
48:01those
48:02>> four teams.
48:03>> A huge mid- off. I mean, it's crazy.
48:05We've talked about this a few times. The
48:07unevenness of the bracket
48:09>> in the American League where the three
48:10best teams in the American League, the
48:12Yankees, the Red Sox, and the Rays will
48:14be on one half and the other half of the
48:16bracket will be some combination of
48:18White Socks, Guardians, Astros, Rangers,
48:20and maybe Toronto sneaks in in the back.
48:23Uh it's it's brutal, man. It's it's
48:26right now you can bet like which
48:28division will win the American League
48:30and the AL East is minus 190.
48:33>> So you're betting whoever whoever comes
48:36out. Well, it's only going to be one of
48:37them though. You can't even get
48:38headto-head. So whichever one of them
48:40comes out, you have minus 190 against
48:42the the [ __ ] team that wins the other
48:44>> side of the bracket.
48:45>> And right now the White Socks have been
48:47really struggling down the stretch here.
48:49They beat the Guardians last night. The
48:51Astros are 500 team despite having the
48:53best hitter in the league this year,
48:55>> right?
48:58>> I mean, none of those teams are any
48:59good.
49:00>> Yeah.
49:01>> And in the National League, it's it's
49:03going to be the Brewers. I hope they
49:06hang on. They have a two game lead for
49:08that one seed with, like you said, and
49:10[clears throat] the tiebreaker. So, two
49:11and a half essentially with 12 left. But
49:13the Dodgers uh are kind of pulling away
49:16from the Braves for that second seed and
49:18and to get the buy. Um, and that's all
49:20they need. So, they they have a three
49:22and a half game lead over the Braves for
49:24that. So, anyway, um, let's uh let's
49:27give some value picks to Bundle for the
49:28rest of the regular season. A week and a
49:30half, division winners to make the
49:32playoffs. I don't know, most home runs.
49:33What are you going to hit us with?
49:35>> Yeah, it's hard to come up with much
49:37because like we said, like the the
49:39awards are done, right? We have all the
49:40the six main awards are pretty much
49:42decided by the odds. And to me, that
49:44makes sense. Uh, so I was thinking about
49:47what do I want to watch happen in the
49:49last two weeks of the season? What am I
49:50going to be watching? And you know, Bill
49:52had a good rant about the Mariners and I
49:54share my
49:54>> Oh, I missed that. I didn't hear I
49:56didn't hear that. [laughter]
49:57>> Yeah, I think you were there for it. Uh,
50:01the rest of that division is equally
50:04shameful and I think I want to root
50:05against them because every time the
50:07Astros and Rangers lose, it reflects
50:09even more poorly on the Mariners. And
50:10now I want the Mariners to feel pain
50:12>> because their their general manager the
50:14big thing he said we want to win, you
50:16know, 50 55% of our games every year and
50:19then we're going to be in the mix to to
50:20compete for a title because we're going
50:22to be in the playoffs every year. And
50:24this year all they needed to do was win
50:2551% of their games to make the playoffs
50:28>> and they can't do that. They've won 46%.
50:30So I'm rooting against the Astros and
50:32the Rangers in the last two weeks.
50:35>> Okay.
50:35>> Astros under 81 and a half wins. They're
50:38currently 500. So then to go six and six
50:40or worse.
50:42Rangers under 80 and a half wins for
50:44them to go six and six or worse. So
50:46neither team will have a winning record
50:47in the final 12 games. They don't play
50:50each other which is a good thing to
50:51avoid.
50:52>> Plus 240. I'm rooting against the
50:54American League West. Yes.
50:56>> Huh. Interesting.
50:57>> I'm so tired of this division. And if
50:59the Mariners hadn't blown like three
51:01games in the last month against the
51:03freaking A's, they would probably still
51:05be in position to win the division. But
51:07they're not. They are dead now.
51:09All right. I like that. You
51:10>> probably need to win 11 in a row to have
51:11a chance.
51:11>> Raheem shake because that that just
51:13seems purely emotional bet.
51:15>> Oh, it is. Yes. Raheem shaking his head.
51:18That's not how you do business here.
51:19>> No, [laughter] not happy with me. He
51:21knows it's a bad bet. But I don't care.
51:23>> All right. I'm going to pick the Blue
51:26Jays to make the playoffs at plus 205.
51:28And this is all scheduling based, right?
51:30So even with the loss yesterday, they're
51:32a game behind Cleveland for the final
51:34wild card spot. They're 10 and six in
51:37the OS 16. The Guardians still have the
51:39White Socks and Red Sox to play. The
51:40Blue Jays. Sears against the Tigers and
51:43Rangers who are both under 500. I know
51:45the Rangers are in the mix there. The
51:46Orioles. There you go. The Orioles who
51:49are last in the AL East and the Reds to
51:51end the season since he's last in the NL
51:53Central and have the worst batting
51:54average in uh baseball. And I'll have
51:56more to say about them in a second. I
51:58think 82 Dundo is the magic number for
52:00that six spot. What do you think? 82 and
52:0280 takes that six seed.
52:04>> Probably right in there. So that's seven
52:06and four for Toronto and I think that's
52:08doable for John Schneider's mostly
52:11disappointing as Raheem pointed out. We
52:13went over the most disappointed baseball
52:15teams. The Jays, I have them to sneak
52:18into the postseason, but if they don't,
52:19you could put them in the top three for
52:21sure for most disappointing. Raheem, you
52:23just um you like a Well, this is going
52:25to take a little longer to come in, but
52:27what what's your pick here?
52:28>> Yeah, I'm just [snorts] going with the
52:28Yankees. Um you know, obviously Judge
52:31hit his first home run back last night.
52:33I think they get this lineup going. I
52:35think they have the pitching to make a
52:36make some noise. Plus 750. Just a flyer
52:39for me. Not the strongest play. I don't
52:41have any math on it. I don't have a
52:42model for baseball. So, I'm pretty much
52:45just, you know,
52:46>> Mhm.
52:47>> taking a a half court shot on this.
52:50>> There you go. I take the small victories
52:52when it comes to Mets over the Yankees.
52:53Mets lost two out of three. But, uh,
52:55Garrett Cole, did you see this to Bundo?
52:57He waited until to throw his first
53:00pitch. He waited. There's a clock for
53:03when the first pitch should start. So,
53:04it was like a minute. There's a minute
53:06and 40 seconds where he was on the
53:08mound. He was set to go. He could have
53:10thrown the first pitch, but whether it's
53:11superstition or not, he didn't.
53:13>> First pitch gone. Home run. I like that.
53:16To me, that's it. That it means the Mets
53:18are better than the Yankees. I could
53:19file that away.
53:20>> You also failed to mention the biggest
53:23development of the Toronto Jays season.
53:25>> Oh, what happened? Vlad Guerrero hit his
53:28first home run at the Rogers Center all
53:30year last weekend.
53:32>> I mean, just an absolutely ridiculous
53:34stat.
53:35>> How are they anywhere near contention
53:37with that [clears throat] being a a true
53:39fact?
53:41>> That's unbelievable.
53:43>> Mets are the two teams that are the
53:45biggest disappointment this year.
53:46>> They were literally playing each other
53:47in the ALCS last year and now they're
53:49both under 500 and probably going to
53:50miss the playoffs.
53:51>> The Mets, I mean, you have to you have
53:53to
53:53>> It's not the Mets. Sorry.
53:55>> The Mets.
53:57We have metrics now to measure this. The
53:59Mets disappointment by over on the win
54:01total. Didn't they have more than
54:03Seattle?
54:05>> They had 89 or something.
54:06>> It was the same number. Yeah.
54:08>> Yeah. Okay. All right. Definitely
54:10disappointing for me. All right. Let's
54:12do this Tuesday plays of the day. How
54:15did we do yesterday? We had Oh, yeah.
54:16You guys had the unders, right? I had
54:19Alonzo to hit a home run. It didn't
54:20happen. I recommend rolling that over in
54:23uh City Field today, but that's that's
54:24not my best bet. Raheem, let's start
54:26with you.
54:26>> Yeah, I'm going with the Cubs. I I just
54:29think they win this game. That's just
54:31what it is. I'm I'm I'm fading Martin
54:33Perez.
54:34>> Perez guys owned me.
54:37>> Is
54:38>> he has
54:39>> he has stole your good even though his
54:41metrics don't think he should be good.
54:44>> Uh the Cubs crush lefties. So that means
54:46Perez will probably throw six shut out
54:48tonight.
54:48>> Yeah. I mean, God [laughter] hasn't been
54:50great.
54:50>> [ __ ] that team, man. I'm so tired of
54:53them,
54:53>> right? This is Raheem's pick. What are
54:55you going with?
54:56>> I mean, Guzman hasn't been great, but
54:59>> I just think he's the I think the Cubs
55:01are the favorite for the reason. So, I'm
55:02going to trust the sports books on this
55:03one.
55:04>> Okay. All right. Well done. See, now
55:06it's your turn.
55:07>> Well, I was going to use the Cubs
55:08because I bet them today, too. So, Perez
55:10owns my ass. But,
55:12>> uh, number one in the league against
55:14lefties, the Chicago Cubs. Uh, so that
55:16hopefully they can they can get some
55:18going, but honestly it's a it's a funny
55:19thing because the Braves, you know, they
55:21steal two games against the Phils,
55:22basically wrap up the division and then
55:25now that the Phillies fans need the
55:26Braves to start winning, they lose last
55:29night. So I'm really tired of this team.
55:31Uh, all due respect to my fellow Braves
55:33fans, [laughter] uh, White Sox guardians
55:35under eight and a half minus 110. This
55:37managed like a playoff game. Uh, two two
55:40pretty bad offenses. White Sox offense
55:42quietly sinking uh, the last two weeks.
55:44Um, I think that there is a risk when
55:47you get these really young teams that
55:48they all hit the kind of like rookieish
55:50wall down toward the end of the season.
55:52So, uh, I'm gonna go White Sox guards
55:54under eight and a half and count on a
55:57very good Guardians bullpen to keep the
55:59scoring down here.
56:00>> All right, I'm going Dodgers minus run a
56:02half over the Reds. I believe I took
56:04this exact pitching matchup last week
56:06with success. And the great thing about
56:08sports gambling is recent sports
56:10wagering success always repeats itself
56:13like clockwork. No, that's not true. But
56:15I'm I'm taking a chance again. I'm
56:18thinking Dodgers laying the run the
56:19half. Red's one and six over the last
56:21seven. Includes getting swept by the
56:23Dodgers last week. And in those last
56:25seven, the Reds have been outscored
56:2663-20. If a team has given up, it's the
56:30Cincinnati Reds. Dodgers 9-2 in their
56:32last 11. Yamamoto beat the Reds 14 to1
56:36last week. And then you have Rhett
56:37Lauder for Cincy. Couldn't get out of
56:39the fourth inning in Chavez Ravine. Last
56:41week, Dodgers touched him up for seven.
56:43So, we're looking at a I'm going to say
56:4574 final tonight at the Great American
56:49Ballpark. Is that uh the bundle? Is that
56:51just a wonderful name for a stadium or
56:53is Great American a bank I'm not
56:55familiar with?
56:56>> No, I think it's just a great name
56:57>> really. I used to call people like to
56:59call it Great American Small Park
57:01>> as well because it's so tiny and people
57:03always hit home runs there.
57:04>> Yeah, but but that's just a
57:06nationalistic. That's just good. Okay, I
57:08like that. I'll take that.
57:10>> Raheem, what do you got going on rest of
57:12the week? Where could people find you on
57:13Twitter?
57:14>> Um you guys can find me on here. I mean,
57:16we'll be back on Thursday. We'll be back
57:18on Friday. Um
57:21>> about
57:23stack now. Um I I soft launched last
57:25week. We're going to put some NBA win
57:27totals up soon. I'm about to get into
57:29that. Um,
57:31but besides that, it's just football.
57:33NFL, NBA, we locked in.
57:36>> Football and great food and uh and
57:39hitting the gym, man.
57:40>> Almost definitely. I got two 80 80 lb
57:43dumbbells. I'm I'm I'm getting strong.
57:45I'm getting as strong as I used to be.
57:47>> God, like I was a little weak because I
57:50had some injuries last year, you know,
57:52some calf injuries, but I'm I'm healthy
57:54now. Look at you, Dundo. You can't even
57:57comprehend what 280 lb dumbbells is for
58:00let alone a guy the size of Raheem. But
58:02that that's that's impressive.
58:04>> I'm doing a yoga class later if that
58:06gives you any inclination of where my my
58:08journey. Yeah,
58:09>> Ad's actually worked out with me before.
58:11He's seen he's seen me get busy at 4.
58:14>> Yeah, it was like 5 in the morning.
58:16>> You know, I was I was really riding the
58:18bike uh trying to get some energy out
58:20because I was too amped up after that
58:21finals win and it was 6:00 a.m. in
58:23Sweden. But uh yeah, [clears throat]
58:26>> made like the whole ringer staff work
58:27out with me.
58:28>> The kettle bells on the workout mat was
58:31lifting and I was just riding the bike
58:32with my AirPods in. So
58:34>> there you go.
58:35>> The bundle. You wear a weighted vest
58:36when you do yoga or no?
58:38>> No.
58:39>> Okay. All right.
58:40>> I don't know if there's a ring or core
58:41week this year,
58:43>> but we're gonna have to find a gym and
58:45I'm making the whole staff work out with
58:46me. [laughter] Kobe.
58:49>> Okay. I really
58:50>> I heard Van be boxing too. Tell Van he
58:53could spar me.
58:54>> There's video of it, right? He was like
58:56backing Joel down. Joel's like, "All
58:58right." Joel's like, "Even in this play
59:00fighting, I want no part."
59:02>> He's He's tall for me, though. Honestly,
59:04I don't know how to reach.
59:06>> I don't know how I'm going past trying
59:08to go up against him, you know?
59:09>> I know. You're going to have to just jab
59:11the body and then get out uh as quick as
59:13you can. We didn't talk about that
59:15fight. Uh a two rounder, right?
59:17>> Oh, that was crazy.
59:18>> Ryan Garcia. Oh,
59:20>> what was he? Minus 220 or 240 or
59:22something. I should have just jumped on
59:23that. He's
59:24>> We definitely should because Ben is not
59:26good. And then, you know, the one thing
59:27I'll say about Ryan Garcia is that he's
59:30only had the left hook for the majority
59:31of his career. For him to knock Ben out
59:33with the right hand.
59:35>> It shows that maybe he's grown a little
59:36bit.
59:37>> Interesting. How old is he?
59:41>> I don't know.
59:42>> We don't know. I mean, he's got to be in
59:44his mid20s.
59:45>> Yeah. I feel like we've heard about him.
59:47But if he fights if he fights Haney
59:49again,
59:50>> I'm betting on I'm betting it all on
59:51Haney. That's the
59:52>> Brian Garcia is 28.
59:54>> 28.
59:54>> Bet it all on Haney.
59:56>> Okay. All right. There you go. That's
59:58something to look forward to. Boxing,
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